Will the San Francisco Chronicle will remain silent when Homosexuals are killed in so-called honor killings?

re: #1 Shug

Will the San Francisco Chronicle will remain silent when Homosexuals are killed in so-called honor killings?

Yes, they will because leftists can't make any judgements except passing pronouncements against those who are right.

the professors aim to study and understand how a religious identity of 1.2 billion people around the world has become fused with a monolithic set of beliefs and racial category.

Gee- maybe it's their so-called holy book? Just a hypothesis, mind you.

UC Berkeley lecturer Hatem Bazian defined Islamophobia as "unfounded hostility toward Muslims and therefore fear or dislike of all or most Muslims."

nice trick.

There is a foundation for hate for Islamofascism and fascists like Hatem, and it's located at Ground zero amongst other places.

re: #1 Shug

It will be interesting - in a horrifying sort of way - to watch them try to find a position.

At a guess? They'll excuse the murderer on the grounds that "It's his culture" and call for more education and diversity training. Which is...well, let's just say it doesn't begin to address the problem.

If they'd just call for equal enforcement of laws, instead of trying to turn every little thing into some sort of "group rights" issue, they'd be able to think a lot more clearly, and address the root of the problem without sounding either clueless or dangerous.

Abhor the sin, Love the Sinner.

re: #3 Sharmuta

Gee- maybe it's their so-called holy book? Just a hypothesis, mind you.

Maybe because they are bitter, clinging to their guns & xenophobia & religion. Oh save us, St. Obama from all of this.

Ut, oh, that was the wrong SF group. Sorry,

re: #5 Dianna

and besides they are too busy pointing out the Hate Speech of the religious right to notice the knife being applied to their throats by Sharia

re: #8 Shug

Yes, that does appear to be a huge blind spot for a lot of them. It fills me with gloom and trepidation.

I saw that SF Chronicle article. Glad someone took the trouble to "deconstruct" it.

Basically, the writer just repeated verbatim the apologists' narrative.

Great journalism!

/s

A good exemplar of why print journalism is dying.

Perhaps the public is justifiably confused because, too often, the engineer in Silicon valley keeps his mouth shut about the distasteful beliefs of that Hamas “politician” — don’t they mean terrorist? — or because “man in the street” polls of Muslims show that their views are in remarkable harmony with their more activist brethren.

yup

re: #10 zombie

Repeating vebatum makes the job a hell of a lot easier though. Write the article; collect the check; dream of your Pulitzer.

One of theses of the conference -- which is going on at this moment, mind you, and I'm not there! -- is that all us idiot infidels invariably think that all Muslims are Arab, or that all Arabs are Muslim, of that all Muslims are extremists. Yadda yadda.

They need to cling to this fiction of our unrelenting ignorance, as it's the only way for them to have a leg to stand on.

The terms "Islamophobe, Islamophobic, and Islamophobia" are misnomers. There are very few people who carry irrational fears of Islam. Phobia derives from the Greek, phobos which means fear or flight. It's modern meaning derives from late 19th century field of psychology and refers to any irrational or excessive fear of an object or situation which is generally considered harmless.

Common phobias include such things as Arachnophobia - fear of spiders, Acrophobia - fear of heights, Agoraphobia - fear of situations where escape may be difficult such as in crowds, etc., Cynophobia - fear of dogs, etc.

Phobias are irrational fears based on experience or perceived experience. I don't think I've encountered a single person who suffers from Islamophobia. Islamoconcern, Islamowarry, Islamosuspicious, certainly but not Islamophobic. And for good reason. When 1.2 Billion people subscribe to an unyielding mindset that wants to destroy civilization, the fears are rational and justified. Even more so when one considers the evidence of the Muslim word - articulating the message of intended destruction and deed - actually engaging and implementing these strategies.

So, to summarize the concept of Islamophobia is specious.

re: #14 Bubbaman

Perfection? Thy name is Bubbaman.

Housework calls.

Have a lovely Saturday, Lizards!

re: #10 zombie

I saw that SF Chronicle article. Glad someone took the trouble to "deconstruct" it.

Basically, the writer just repeated verbatim the apologists' narrative.

Great journalism!

/s

A good exemplar of why print journalism is dying.

Well - if you ask me, it's taking entirely too long in its death-throes. Enough! Belly up, already.

After a long night of making love,
the guy notices a photo of another man,
on the woman's night stand by the bed. He begins to worry.
'Is this your husband?' he nervously asks.

'No, silly,' she replies, snuggling up to him.

'Your boyfriend, then?' he continues.

'No, not at all,' she says, nibbling away at his ear.

'Is it your dad or your brother?'
he inquires, hoping to be reassured.

'No, no, no! You are so hot when you're jealous!' she answers.

'Well, who in the hell is he, then?' he demands.

She whispers in his ear 'That's me before the surgery.'

re: #19 JimmyTheClaw

Beer Goggles are dangerous sometimes

re: #13 zombie

One of theses of the conference -- which is going on at this moment, mind you, and I'm not there! -- is that all us idiot infidels invariably think that all Muslims are Arab, or that all Arabs are Muslim, of that all Muslims are extremists. Yadda yadda.

They need to cling to this fiction of our unrelenting ignorance, as it's the only way for them to have a leg to stand on.

SO, let's try to spell it out.

Say there are "only" 10,000 or so who will attack the west, maybe 1,000,000 who *say* they will attack the west, 10,000,000 who sympathize with such attacks, including 50% to 80% of their clergy since, after all, it is in their holy writ, and about 1,400,000,000 out of 1,500,000,000 who will do nothing against such speech and acts, even disapproving.

Then, what is reasonable and rational? Is it a "phobia" regarding the 10,000,000? Is it a phobia to mistake any random one of the 1.4b or all 1.5b for one of those 10,000 or 1,000,000 or 10,000,000? Especially when we know that their sense of humor includes taqiyya, hudna, not to mention killing innocent civilians and hiding behind their own women and children?

Nope. It's fully rational and no phobia, to give anything and everything Islamic a big dose of skunk-eye at first appearance, and to demand anybody and anything Islamic prove its innocence, over and over, until that 10,000 gets down towards 10, and that 1,000,000 gets down to 1,000, and that 10,000,000 gets down to 2,000. Then we can be a whole lot more charitable about the whole bunch of them.

Until then, I don't want to hear them whine about it, either.

And as to who is Arab and who is not, we can elaborate that too, but it does not matter greatly. We know who and what the Saudis are, for example, and they are something like 80% of the problem. OK, maybe 50%, it's hard to weight Iran, and Egypt, and Pakistan with their big numbers and bad geography, yada yada. Not to mention goatboys we grow here at home.

re: #13 zombie

One of theses of the conference -- which is going on at this moment, mind you, and I'm not there! -- is that all us idiot infidels invariably think that all Muslims are Arab, or that all Arabs are Muslim, of that all Muslims are extremists. Yadda yadda.

They need to cling to this fiction of our unrelenting ignorance, as it's the only way for them to have a leg to stand on.

I've noticed that too. These so-called intellectuals keep hoping that we're the clueless monkeys they want us to be. I love to drop in a few Arabic words once in a while to make them afraid that I know more than they think I do.

What is it with the left's fascination and support for destructive ideologies?

I suppose it goes hand in hand with hating/despising humanity even though they profess to 'care' about others.

re: #21 itellu3times

If 10 % of people walking around San Francisco had documented virulent infectious tuberculosis, would the healthy individuals be labeled tubercoluphiles if they opted to wear masks ?

When you see any event that uses the words 'deconstruct' 'reconstruct' or 'construct' in discussing human events you can bet that the sponsors have abandoned a reasonable, evidence-based search for truth (because there is no truth under that dogma) and are simply peddling an agenda.
Saying that the west has a phobia about Islam is just another way of suggesting to the weak-minded, who are being trained out of making rational judgements, that they should not be thinking in that direction.

re: #21 itellu3times

Nicely done, as savage said.

I might add that an army is only as effective as its logistics train, and as a rule of thumb, one soldier with a rifle in his hands at the tip of the spear needs ten support personnel in the logistics chain going all the way back home to keep him in beans and bullets. That's for conventional warfare, of course, which asymmetric (terrorist) warfare definitely is not, but the comparison is still valid.

Those jihadis with AKs in their hands or bomb belts around their waists wouldn't be there without a lot of people supplying direct or indirect support. War, even terrorist war, cannot be waged in a logistic and ideological support vacuum.

And anyone who supplies same is by that token "part of the problem".

Funny thing- the President said something like that a few days after 9/11.

/Of course, no one at the Berkeley shindig believes a word of it

cheers

eon

re: #16 savage_nation

Hows your clickthrough on your China protestor page?

I actually don't have any counters installed. i have no idea how many visitors I get!

re: #25 Shug

If 10 % of people walking around San Francisco had documented virulent infectious tuberculosis, would the healthy individuals be labeled tubercoluphiles if they opted to wear masks ?

phobes, not philes.

But don't worry, I'll bet it's even under 1%! LA, maybe a little higher.

re: #30 itellu3times

oops, phobes.

I think lots of the visiting workers are pretty high in TB, syphilis and even some leprocy creeping into the USA

but certainly not as virulent as Islamofascism

re: #28 savage_nation

There's a central logical fallacy that runs through all of these events, and this pattern of thinking, that you could sum up as:
"It's Bad To Be Judgmental."

re: #34 savage_nation

Exactly. It's not a mindset the jihadists share with their useful idiots and victims.

#33 jaunte

There's a central logical fallacy that runs through all of these events, and this pattern of thinking, that you could sum up as:
"It's Bad To Be Judgmental."

They save that for America, capitalism, Joos, Israel, and whitey.

Hey, whitey passed the spel cheker!

Don't confuse journalism with marketing. The MSM mostly acts as PR agents for anything or anyone anti-American. Any "news" being reported is just today's carrier for their agenda.

Zombie. Check your inbox.

Has anyone coined a word for irrational fear of Christians?

re: #33 jaunte

There's a central logical fallacy that runs through all of these events, and this pattern of thinking, that you could sum up as:
"It's Bad To Be Judgmental."

Yep - coming from dimly remembered lessons at Sunday school ...

Its time to call all these providers of debating venues, these peddlers of 'deconstructive' thoughts about why people are so islamophibic by the name given to those people in Germany who did a similar service to Hitler and his hordes: 'writing desk criminals' (Schreibtischtaeter), and better: 'mental arsonists' (geistige Brandstifter) - because that is what they do. They lay fire to the edifice of free thought and democracy with their obfuscation and turnspeak.

re: #39 zmdavid

Has anyone coined a word for irrational fear of Christians?

Peaceophobiacs.

re: #31 Shug

but certainly not as virulent as Islamofascism

quite.

/I just ran with the metaphor.

re: #33 jaunte

There's a central logical fallacy that runs through all of these events, and this pattern of thinking, that you could sum up as:
"It's Bad To Be Judgmental."

Right, because saying something is bad is judgmental. So either the statement is false or the person making it is bad, and I'm bad for judging them, etc.

re: #39 zmdavid

Has anyone coined a word for irrational fear of Christians?

Sullivanitis.

re: #41 savage_nation

Christianophobia. I've actually heard this term on some talkradio shows.

Blimey!
What do these Christianophobes od? Run screaming away when confronted with a Bible, or a Crucifix?

re: #33 jaunte

There's a central logical fallacy that runs through all of these events, and this pattern of thinking, that you could sum up as:
"It's Bad To Be Judgmental."

But they have no problem being judgemental about conservatives and conservative principles/thought.

re: #39 zmdavid

Has anyone coined a word for irrational fear of Christians?

Christophobes?

re: #44 zmdavid

Right, because saying something is bad is judgmental. So either the statement is false or the person making it is bad, and I'm bad for judging them, etc.

If you can fast-talk and pad the thought with a lot of fat neologisms and sleight-of-mouth, the inherent contradicton is harder to see.

re: #40 yma o hyd

I have to remember that one:
'mental arsonists' (geistige Brandstifter)

It is the duty of everyone to ridicule any theology that promotes terrorism. Ridicule it always. If that hurts the feelings of people who subscribe to that theology, too bad. Ridicule them the most. Coddling dupes who subscribe to idiotic ideology is stupid and no where in any moral code does it say that people should show respect to idiots for being idiots.

re: #10 zombie

I saw that SF Chronicle article. Glad someone took the trouble to "deconstruct" it.

Basically, the writer just repeated verbatim the apologists' narrative.

Great journalism!

/s

A good exemplar of why print journalism is dying.

Zombie, that picture on Bookworm's site, the Berkeley Hills maybe? Looks like you're not the only right-thinking person "entombed" in the belly of the beast.

re: #13 zombie

One of theses of the conference -- which is going on at this moment, mind you, and I'm not there! -- is that all us idiot infidels invariably think that all Muslims are Arab, or that all Arabs are Muslim, of that all Muslims are extremists. Yadda yadda.

They need to cling to this fiction of our unrelenting ignorance, as it's the only way for them to have a leg to stand on.

Oh yea, your right! SF & Bezerkly, go ask the Taliban how good their legs are after our unrelenting ignorance led retaliation for actual acts of war, or good ole "Zarkman", for that matter? Oops, like Obama, Zark can no longer vote "present", eh, Islam & it's fifth column press corps?

As to print media's status: New York Times (Slimes) 'BRACING FOR BLOODBATH', announce it will lay off editors in cut back (drudge this am). At long last, some chickens that are deservedly "coming home to roost!" "How Sweet it is!", former New Yorker, Jacky Gleason.

Thanks for the link! A good article!~!

re: #27 eon

Those jihadis with AKs in their hands or bomb belts around their waists wouldn't be there without a lot of people supplying direct or indirect support. War, even terrorist war, cannot be waged in a logistic and ideological support vacuum.

The logistics train of the terrorists mainly transports cash. It's the cash of wealthy Islamists who keep the madrassas going to indoctrinate radical Islam into the young. It's cash that fund the mosques in the West, and install radical imams there to preach jihad. It's cash that finances the terrorist training camps and keeps the terrorists fed, and looks after their families when they die in jihad.

Cut off the cash, and the global jihad dies

Behind al-Queda is the Golden Chain

re: #33 jaunte

There's a central logical fallacy that runs through all of these events, and this pattern of thinking, that you could sum up as:
"It's Bad To Be Judgmental."

Unless of course, the objects of judgment are Western civilization, Christianity, Judaism, heterosexuality and/or capitalism.

Two suggestions for the conference:

1. Talk about the history of Muslim expansionism and colonization, past and present.

2. Define "otherness" if what you are objecting to are actual, stated beliefs by the so-called other.

Seriously, does anyone expect anything different from a paper that's had a reputation for decades as the worst big-city daily west of the Mississippi? That employs Joe Garofoli, an open shill for ANSWER and WCW, as a "reporter"? That refuses to forcibly retire Jon "My Cats are My Life" Carroll -- the dullest and most predictable major-paper columnist since Jack Smith bit the dust? And that grants the loathsome and probably clinically insane Mark Morford a twice-weekly soapbox?

As my dear ol' daddy used to say, "Son, consider the source."

Social scientists may gravitate, almost unknowingly, toward careers as academic whores. They enter their respective fields through some interest derived from a liberal arts education, and a general intention to pursue the academic lifestyle. When this lifestyle choice results in mild economic stress, professional stress, tenure and status issues, the academic social scientist becomes susceptible geo-political-religious academic inducements. Nothing too blantant, but foundations set up by PR firms and bankers, identify promising researchers and provide them with grant income, travel, speaking engagements, and support for their departments. All it entails is a slight shift in perspective, a new insight, a broadening of their sphere.

From the link:
"The panelists apparently did mention 9/11, but only to put it in context: It started up attacks on Muslims that were comparable to the Spanish Inquisition:

Panelists at the conference traced the roots of Islamophobia well before Sept. 11, 2001: They include slavery, colonialism and the Spanish Inquisition against Jews and Muslims beginning in 1492.
Cultural phenomenon

Marquette University Professor Louise Cainkar presented a paper about hate crimes against those of Arab origin, a category that includes Christians but is often conflated with Muslims in post-Sept. 11 pop culture. In analyzing patterns in the Chicago area, she found that hate crimes were fewest in African American neighborhoods in the South Side, despite the high prevalence of Arab shopkeepers. But anti-Arab hate crimes were highest in “white flight” suburbs. A mosque in a southwestern suburb of Chicago came under a “three-day siege” by neighbors after the Sept. 11 attacks and had to be protected by more than 100 police officers in riot gear, Cainkar said."

So, a bunch of people angry that the Muslims attacked our country killing 3000 innocents is the moral equivalent of a century + of brutality including burning people at the stake?

And not only that, it was those EVIL whites, too, never any minorities.

The slimes on that panel can go F themselves.

the professors aim to study and understand how a religious identity of 1.2 billion people around the world has become fused with a monolithic set of beliefs and racial category.

It should hardly take any studying. Just read the history books and 1,385 years of Islamic warfare against the infidel world leap out at you. But these professors are trying to come up with politically correct reasons for Jihad. They'll tell us that we must have done something to offend them. They'll not be direct like Winston Churchill, John Quincy Adams, Theodore Roosevelt, John Wesley, Bishop Fultion J Sheen, Margoliouth, E W Lane and the like, who knew Jihad. These professors are trying to avoid anything that might be construed as being 'bigoted'.