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Syria Was Way Too Close to Nukes

Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 6:38:45 pm PDT

Come on, world. You can do it.

Say, “Thank you, Israel.”

Hayden: Syrian site could have produced fuel for 2 weapons.

WASHINGTON - CIA Director Michael Hayden said Monday that the alleged Syrian nuclear reactor destroyed by an Israeli airstrike in September would have produced enough plutonium for one or two bombs within a year of becoming operational.

U.S. intelligence and administration officials publicly disclosed last week their assessment that Syria was building a covert nuclear reactor with North Korean assistance. They said it was modeled on the shuttered North Korean reactor at Yongbyon, which produced a small amount of plutonium. The Syrian site, they said, was within weeks or months of being operational.

“In the course of a year after they got full up they would have produced enough plutonium for one or two weapons,” Hayden told reporters after a speech at Georgetown University.

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1 mbruce  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:39:47pm

I'll start, Thank you Israel for this and so many other gifts and blessings you have given the thankless world.

2 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:39:51pm
3 Crusader Rabbit  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:40:03pm

Thank you Israel!

4 Alouette  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:40:26pm

And Olmerde is getting ready to give away the Golan.

5 blue_like_jazz  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:40:37pm

THANK, YOU ISRAEL!

May G-d continue to guide, guard, and protect you!

Blessings to you.

6 right wing zephyr  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:41:47pm

Thank you Israel!... and United States!

7 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:42:11pm

It's like deja vu all over again (Osirak).

Muchas gracias, Israel.

8 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:42:38pm

What's troubling is this wasn't even on the radar for mo el-baradei, proving the IAEA is worthless.

9 Steffan  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:42:59pm

If you don't hear crickets, you'll be hearing all of the useful idiots wanting to fund/aid Hamas, Hisbollah, and the usual gang of terrs and wannabes.

They might give Israel credit for staging their own funeral, but I wouln't hold my breath.

Nevertheless, I'll say it: Thank you, Israel. :)

10 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:43:15pm

re: #8 Sharmuta

What's troubling is this wasn't even on the radar for mo el-baradei, proving the IAEA is worthless.

Give that man another Nobel Peace Prize!

11 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:43:29pm
12 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:44:10pm
13 hazzyday  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:44:40pm

Still Ward Churchill would like everyone to have their own personal nuke.

14 NoSubmission  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:44:41pm

Thank you, Israel from New York City. You saved a lot of lives.

15 Hard Right  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:44:53pm

El-baradi is in the pockets of the Islamo-Fascists. He weakly pretends that he isn't.

16 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:46:05pm

re: #12 song_and_dance_man

I thought Yogi Berra said that first.

/s

Um... yeah, I know.

17 FrogMarch  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:46:26pm

F the UN.

18 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:47:19pm

re: #10 Occasional Reader

Give that man another Nobel Peace Prize!

He and jhimmi carter can brawl for it. Now- who to root for?

19 beachkatie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:47:28pm

Thank you Israel For saving this North carolina girl! God will give you many BLESSINGS !i WILL ALLWAYS BE WITH YA!

20 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:47:32pm

re: #12 song_and_dance_man

I thought Yogi Berra said that first.

/s

When you get to the fork in the road, take it.

21 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:47:36pm
22 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:49:00pm
23 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:49:04pm

Thanks Israel. I'd have done it myself, but I'm a little strapped for cash right now. Anyway, good lookin' out!

24 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:49:11pm

re: #21 song_and_dance_man

It was a /s. It wasn't Osirak that said it... nevermind.

Ah. Sorry.
It was a very, very long Monday.

25 nyc redneck  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:49:45pm

i love israel.

26 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:49:53pm
Neither the United States nor Israel told the International Atomic Energy Agency about the Syrian site until last week...

From the CIA's perspective, that intelligence was not the United States' to share with the U.N. nuclear watchdog, Hayden said.

Whoa! Who hit the CIA with a cluebat?

27 blame canada[deleted]  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:49:55pm
28 Bacchus's daddy  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:49:56pm

re: #13 hazzyday

Still Ward Churchill would like everyone to have their own personal nuke.

Guns in the hands of private citizens are dangerous. Every terrorist state has a right to nuclear weapons!

/

29 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:50:14pm

I am glad Israel acted, but the real big problem remains- IRAN. And Iran is to big a problem for Israel to tackle alone. I am just really afraid that if President Bush does not act before he leaves office, it will be to late.

30 Ma Sands  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:50:44pm

me too: Thank you, Israel. :)

31 VegasRick  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:50:50pm

re: #27 blame canada

hmmm... maybe this olmert is not such a total shmuck after all. It's just a pity that jimma carter wasn't visiting this peaceful agricultural facility at the time. When is iran getting vaporized?

What time is it now?

32 cowsmacker  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:50:53pm

May the Lord continue to bless Israel!

33 BulgarWheat  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:50:56pm

hmm! I was wondering when we'd find out about this.

Thank you, Israel! Doing jobs American politicians won't do.

34 CapeCoddah  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:51:01pm

Thank You Israel!

35 Hard Right  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:51:12pm

Who says Israel isn't on our side? Thanks again for doing what our Dems won't let us do.

36 mbruce  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:51:35pm

What was that, did Obama think the Hamas endorsement was an honor?
Wrong side of the fight as usual, those zany Dems.

37 Alouette  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:51:47pm
38 winston06  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:52:12pm

Wish North Korea was close to Israel too (or otherwise) - Israel does the kind of jobs that the rest of the world doesn't. Good for them!

39 VegasRick  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:52:30pm

re: #35 Hard Right

Who says Israel isn't on our side? Thanks again for doing what our Dems won't let us do.

Hear, Hear and Thank You, Israel!

40 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:52:41pm

Thanks Israel.

41 blue_like_jazz  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:52:51pm

re: #29 Nevergiveup


don't forget about all of those big US boats that are on their way to the Gulf, dearie. and if he starts something with iran before november, i have to say (with apologies to render)...

BRILLIANT
STRATEGY

it can only help mccain, imho.

42 Whammo  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:53:27pm

Your day of reckoning is fast approching Iran...

43 jaunte  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:53:35pm

re: #37 Alouette

Thank Israel, buy Israeli stuff

Ditto over here. Thanks Israel.
[Link: www.zahal.org...]

44 Hard Right  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:53:47pm
Neither the United States nor Israel told the International Atomic Energy Agency about the Syrian site until last week...

Translation...the CIA didn't get the info until after the attack. That way they couldn't interfere in the operation or leak it to our enemies.

45 nyc redneck  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:53:56pm

canary in the coal mine.

46 Rancher  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:54:00pm

I’m sure Pelosi discussed this with Assad. Obama will also negotiate with Syria and straighten this whole thing out. We can only hope.

47 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:54:03pm

Thanks so much, Isreal!

48 VegasRick  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:54:04pm

re: #42 Whammo

Your day of reckoning is fast approching Iran...

Iran, but I could not hide.

49 jamgarr  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:55:20pm

That place is so crowded, no wonder nobody goes there.

/BTW Israel Rules!

50 Bacchus's daddy  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:55:40pm

Imagine the cognitive dissonance going on in the brains of the "peace at all costs" moonbats as they protest responsible measures being taken to keep nukes out of the hands of psychopaths.

51 nyc redneck  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:55:43pm

re: #42 Whammo

Your day of reckoning is fast approching Iran...

that's the kind of thing that should give 'what's his name' a tingle up his leg.

52 Melchizedek  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:56:48pm

Thank you Israel!

Pray for the peace of Jerusalem:
"May those who love you be secure.
May there be peace within your walls
and security within your citadels."
For the sake of my brothers and friends,
I will say, "Peace be within you."
For the sake of the house of the LORD our God,
I will seek your prosperity.
(Psalms 122:6-9)

53 phillygirl  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:56:50pm

Yes, that "dirty little country" saves the world from a nuclear Holocaust. Visit Israel. It is truly a wonderful, amazing place.

54 blangwort  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:57:01pm

re: #8 Sharmuta
This is because the IAEA was designed not to have teeth. Israel has had a secret reactor in Dimona for a very long time. The IAEA has requested to inspect it, but Israel never signed that treaty, so they don't owe the world any explanations.

I guess that begs the question, did Syria sign the non-proliferation treaty?

Curious minds want to know...

55 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:57:22pm

Wretchard on the Syrian nukes. Some interesting comments.

All of these secret programs suggest one thing in common: a strategic framework within which two dozen nuclear weapons is sufficient. That is what Iran, Syria and in the old days, Iraq, were working for. Assuming you had two dozen nukes, what would they be good for?... My guess is that it is to obtain partial deterrence within which to advance their traditional terrorist activity.
56 cowsmacker  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:57:36pm

re: #37 Alouette

I bought so much Danish cheese a few years ago...

57 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:57:46pm

re: #50 Bacchus's daddy

Imagine the cognitive dissonance going on in the brains of the "peace at all costs" moonbats as they protest responsible measures being taken to keep nukes out of the hands of psychopaths.

THEY aren't the psychopaths, WE'RE the psychopaths. (Etc.)

58 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:58:14pm

re: #54 blangwort

This is because the IAEA was designed not to have teeth. Israel has had a secret reactor in Dimona for a very long time. The IAEA has requested to inspect it, but Israel never signed that treaty, so they don't owe the world any explanations.

I guess that begs the question, did Syria sign the non-proliferation treaty?

Curious minds want to know...

How would one find out the answer to that question?

59 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:59:14pm

re: #45 nyc redneck


canary in the coal mine.

Here.

60 hermeneutics  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:59:43pm

Hi All,

This is a quick question. On the bottom of every entry Charles writes is this list: Digg, Newsvine, Reddit, delicioius.

I just signed up for Digg.

Exactly what did I sign up for?

62 kirkoff  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 6:59:54pm

The IDF saved our asses w the raid at Bushir,and has done so again w this heroic initiative.Considering Tel Aviv would not exist had either of these plans suceeded their action in both cases probably saved the world
from nuclear war.Thank you Israel for standing up when no one else could muster the courage.We are impressed,and grateful.

63 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:00:08pm

re: #58 MandyManners

How would one find out the answer to that question?

They sign and ratified it.

64 jamgarr  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:00:23pm

re: #60 hermeneutics

The Rev. Wright been using your nic in vain alot lately!

65 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:00:45pm

OK ALL 'Y'ALL -

Syria was close to NOTHING. The "DPRK" was there. Do all 'y'all really believe Koreans would allow Syrians to control Nuclear Assets? Think again. As far as Koreans go - Syrians are "THE SONS OF APES AND PIGS!"

-S-

66 rabidsquirrel  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:01:05pm

re: #26 Sharmuta

Whoa! Who hit the CIA with a cluebat?

Personally, I think el-baradei knew.

67 cowsmacker  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:01:25pm

re: #43 jaunte

My neighbors are much like Dale Gribble from King of the Hills. I soooo want to wear a Mossad t-shirt in front of them...

68 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:01:50pm

re: #63 Nevergiveup

They sign and ratified it.


Well, they're a bunch of big, fat liars!

69 jaunte  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:01:54pm

re: #61 MandyManners

Here's another list;
[Link: www.fas.org...]

70 hermeneutics  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:02:00pm

re: #64 jamgarr

What a fool. Once you get good at interpreting texts, you'd never make mistakes such as his. The left uses hermeneutics as a way of discrediting the obvious meanings that ordinary/sensible people conclude. Its a nasty business.

The good news is I'm better at it than most of them.

BWa ha ha ha

71 NoSpam  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:02:06pm

re: #54 blangwort

But they have strongly-worded letters, that's good enough, right?

72 VegasRick  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:02:29pm

re: #60 hermeneutics

Hi All,

This is a quick question. On the bottom of every entry Charles writes is this list: Digg, Newsvine, Reddit, delicioius.

I just signed up for Digg.

Exactly what did I sign up for?

You now have to send every lizard a $100 bill. Oh, and you're buying drinks the rest of the night, I'll take a Grey Goose and cranberry.

73 rabidsquirrel  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:02:33pm

re: #57 Occasional Reader

THEY aren't the psychopaths, WE'RE the psychopaths. (Etc.)

I thought we were Neocon sociopaths? It's so hard to keep up with the labels these days.

74 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:02:43pm

re: #58 MandyManners

How would one find out the answer to that question?

Well- according to wikipedia- only four countries are not parties to the treaty: India, Israel, Pakistan and North Korea.

75 nyc redneck  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:02:54pm

this must be so stressful for the israelis. they are incredible people.

76 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:02:56pm

re: #61 MandyManners

LOL- GMTA.

77 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:03:00pm

re: #65 Dr. Shalit

OK ALL 'Y'ALL -

Syria was close to NOTHING. The "DPRK" was there. Do all 'y'all really believe Koreans would allow Syrians to control Nuclear Assets? Think again. As far as Koreans go - Syrians are "THE SONS OF APES AND PIGS!"

-S-

As an aside, an extra plus, it appears that a few DPRK nuclear scientists and technicians may have met Allah when Israel visited the Syrian nuclear park.

78 jaunte  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:03:15pm

re: #67 cowsmacker

Lots of good Gribble-provokers at that site...

79 Rancher  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:03:17pm

re: #58 MandyManners

The Syrian Arab Republic was one of the first States in the Middle East to sign, in 1968, the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). It did so out of the conviction that the possession by any State in the Middle East of such devastating weapons would pose a threat to the region and be a source of great anxiety not only to the peoples of the region but to the countries of the entire world.

80 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:03:29pm

re: #68 MandyManners

Well, they're a bunch of big, fat liars!

Is that really all that surprising, though?

81 Sol Roth  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:04:17pm

THANKS ISRAEL!

82 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:04:20pm

re: #77 Nevergiveup

As an aside, an extra plus, it appears that a few DPRK nuclear scientists and technicians may have met Allah when Israel visited the Syrian nuclear park.

"NGU" -

BUDDAH was pleased.

-S-

83 Syrah  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:04:49pm

re: #11 MandyManners

A little background music.

Foreshadowing the coming of the Mahdi

'What remains, with Allah is better for you if you are believers'.

Then he will say: I am the 'Baqiyatullah,' (God's remainder) representative and Proof of Allah upon you. After that, no Muslim would salute him but in this manner:

Assalamu-Alaika - ya Baqiyatullah-Fi-Arzeh (Peace be upon you 'O God's remainder on the earth)

As soon as 10000 men gather around him, no Jew or Christian will remain but that they will bring faith in him and religion shall be confined only to Islam.

A fire shall descend from the sky and will burn every object of worship (other than Allah) on the earth.

84 Truck Monkey  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:04:50pm

God will continue to protect and defend Israel. I read it somewhere.

85 Bacchus's daddy  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:05:04pm

re: #82 Dr. Shalit

"NGU" -

BUDDAH was pleased.

-S-

The virgins were not.

86 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:05:07pm

re: #60 hermeneutics

I just signed up for Digg.

Exactly what did I sign up for?

An irrelevant discussion with a brick wall.

87 Cartman  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:05:32pm

re: #60 hermeneutics

I just signed up for Digg.

Exactly what did I sign up for?

A ball of confusion.

88 hermeneutics  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:05:37pm

re: #72 VegasRick

I'm handing you your virtual Grey Goose and cranberry with a small napkin ... and a smile. Enjoy!

89 Bobibutu  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:05:39pm

For those wishing to dig deeper ...

[Link: fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com...]

27 April 2008
New Articles Of Interest About Syria’s Nukes

I strongly recommend reading these articles, especially the first one. This story remains a mystery to me, and the US government’s assertions do not make sense (imo).

Contents

I. “More on Syrian Reactor Bombing“, posted at Informed Comment (27 April 2008) — The author is anonymous, but the reasoning appears valid.

II. “Syrian Nukes: the Phantom Menace“, John W. Farley, Counterpunch (25 April 2008) — “The Media Falls for Fake News Once Again.”

III. “Syria president denies building nuclear reactor“, AFP (27 April 2008) — Some of their objections appear valid.

IV. “The Syrian Reactor and the Senate hearing“, posted at FutureJacked (24 April 2008) — Provides photos and some analysis.

Update: IV. “CIA Tells Us Something We Already Knew“, Josua Foust, posted at A Second Hand Conjecture (23 April 2008) — “Anyone who is shocked North Korea was actively selling dangerous weapons has never seriously studied the country.”

90 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:05:42pm

re: #79 Rancher

The Syrian Arab Republic was one of the first States in the Middle East to sign, in 1968, the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). It did so out of the conviction that the possession by any State in the Middle East of such devastating weapons would pose a threat to the region and be a source of great anxiety not only to the peoples of the region but to the countries of the entire world.

rancher -

That was then - THIS IS NOW!

-S-

91 VegasRick  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:06:01pm

re: #88 hermeneutics

I'm handing you your virtual Grey Goose and cranberry with a small napkin ... and a smile. Enjoy!

Here's a tip.

92 hermeneutics  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:06:15pm

re: #86 Sharmuta

Sharmuta and Cartman ... why does Charles have it at the bottom of every entry?

93 rabidsquirrel  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:06:16pm

re: #84 Truck Monkey

God will continue to protect and defend Israel. I read it somewhere.

And the IDF will serve as His fist.

94 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:06:30pm

re: #85 Bacchus's daddy

"Bd" -

SO WHAT?

-S-

95 hermeneutics  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:06:38pm

re: #91 VegasRick

I'll spend it wisely. Thank you.

96 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:06:47pm

Doesn't Israel have something called the "Samson option" or whatever?

97 blangwort  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:07:02pm

re: #58 MandyManners

How would one find out the answer to that question?

According to Wikipedia Syria IS a signatory to the NPT. Granted Wikipedia isn't always a reliable source about such things, but I haven't found anything to contradict this assertion.

98 jaunte  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:07:10pm

re: #79 Rancher
Light rewrite:
'Syria attempted the hudna calculating that the possession by Israel of such devastating weapons would pose a threat to their plans for reconquest and be a source of great anxiety to the Assad clan.'

99 NoSpam  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:07:16pm

re: #85 Bacchus's daddy


"I like you, really, just not in that way. Can't we just be friends?"

100 mikeinmd  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:07:17pm
The head of the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency chastised the United States on Friday for withholding information on the alleged Syrian reactor. One of the IAEA's missions is to try to prevent nuclear proliferation, and it depends on member states for information

BWAAHAAHAAA.

I guess member state Syria withholding that it was working on Nukes is fine, though. They're just pissed because they didn't get to give them the heads up. Actually, Heads' Up might've been the last thing their rad op heard.

101 rabidsquirrel  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:07:19pm

re: #60 hermeneutics

Hi All,

This is a quick question. On the bottom of every entry Charles writes is this list: Digg, Newsvine, Reddit, delicioius.

I just signed up for Digg.

Exactly what did I sign up for?

Evil robot attacks.

102 Rancher  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:07:34pm

re: #84 Truck Monkey
Doesn’t Israel need to be worthy? Many Israelis seem to want to give away the store.

103 rabidsquirrel  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:07:42pm

re: #96 MandyManners

Doesn't Israel have something called the "Samson option" or whatever?

Channeling Bigel?

104 Cartman  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:07:58pm

re: #92 hermeneutics

Sharmuta and Cartman ... why does Charles have it at the bottom of every entry?

Can't answer that one.

105 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:08:21pm

re: #83 Syrah

ShortShit is gonna' be surprised.

106 hermeneutics  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:08:50pm

re: #105 MandyManners

ShortShit is gonna' be surprised.

Who? Clue us in, Mandy.

107 VegasRick  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:08:52pm

re: #95 hermeneutics

I'll spend it wisely. Thank you.

Actually I was gonna say "here's a tip, don't take any wooden nickles" or "Charliehorse in the fourth at Belmont".

108 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:09:05pm

re: #92 hermeneutics

It's a news sharing site, controlled by moonbats, or as we've come to call them- diggbats.

109 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:09:08pm

re: #91 VegasRick

Here's a tip.

"V-R" -

I am now going for an ACTUAL SHOT of my "virtual" Grey Goose - bought after Sarkozy was elected. "Skoal!"

-S-

110 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:09:14pm

re: #103 rabidsquirrel

Channeling Bigel?

That provokes a faint memory of The Friday Night Massacre.

111 NoSpam  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:09:20pm

re: #101 rabidsquirrel

Evil robot attacks.

I think the correct term for the Digg hordes is "ZOMG Zerg Rush!"

112 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:09:34pm

re: #105 MandyManners

ShortShit is gonna' be surprised.

Howard Dean?

113 nyc redneck  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:09:42pm

re: #105 MandyManners

ShortShit is gonna' be surprised.

and not pleasantly.

114 VegasRick  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:09:45pm

re: #109 Dr. Shalit

"V-R" -

I am now going for an ACTUAL SHOT of my "virtual" Grey Goose - bought after Sarkozy was elected. "Skoal!"

-S-

Nice.

115 blangwort  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:09:48pm

re: #71 NoSpam

But they have strongly-worded letters, that's good enough, right?

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Yeah. And you can quite the NPT any time you want to. Just ask North Korea.

And you get to keep all your nuclear goodies too.

116 jaunte  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:09:49pm

re: #106 hermeneutics

Who? Clue us in, Mandy.

He's the one on the right:
[Link: papundits.files.wordpress.com...]

117 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:09:49pm

re: #96 MandyManners

Doesn't Israel have something called the "Samson option" or whatever?

It's a pretty shitty option. Basically the " Samson Option " is that if Israel is devastated by a nuclear attack, it will take the entire Middle East and Parts of Russia and therefore the rest of the world with it! That is why Preventative Wars and Actions are so important. Wake up you idiot democrats.

118 rabidsquirrel  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:10:07pm

re: #110 MandyManners

That provokes a faint memory of The Friday Night Massacre.

The good old, bad old days. Lots of casualties that night.

119 hermeneutics  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:10:12pm

re: #107 VegasRick

Hey, Vegas, I saw this today: [Link: www.wooden-nickel.com...]

120 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:11:11pm

re: #97 blangwort

According to Wikipedia Syria IS a signatory to the NPT. Granted Wikipedia isn't always a reliable source about such things, but I haven't found anything to contradict this assertion.

"bw" -

In 1968, Syria couldn't assemble an automobile, why not sign?

-S-

121 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:11:44pm

re: #106 hermeneutics

Who? Clue us in, Mandy.


AhmandidjjlllafgbouAUKHKGJKJGKJ

ShortShit.

122 Bacchus's daddy  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:11:46pm

Re: #94 and #99-

Was just making a (probably poor) joke. Sorry if any offense was taken.

123 Rancher  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:11:57pm

I'm pouring my Borg into my Britta, I'll have Grey Goose in seven filtrations.

124 hermeneutics  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:12:25pm

re: #116 jaunte

Ahhh, I get it.

125 beachkatie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:12:31pm

re: #87 Cartman

A ball of confusion.


I don't know exactly why i signed up either?!11

126 cowsmacker  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:12:50pm

re: #78 jaunte

I am wishing I could afford everything I want.

The idea of another Islamic nation with nukes gives me the cold sweats.

127 Cartman  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:12:52pm

re: #110 MandyManners

That provokes a faint memory of The Friday Night Massacre.

The smell of napalm in cyberspace...

128 VegasRick  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:13:16pm

re: #119 hermeneutics

Hey, Vegas, I saw this today: [Link: www.wooden-nickel.com...]

Holy Crap!

"Lass Dir kein X für ein U vormachen"
The litterary translation is: "don't let tell you, a X is an U". It comes from the Latin Numbers, where X means 10 and U (resp. V, but the Romans did not differentiate between those two letters) means 5. If someone tells you an X is an U, he tries to fool you.

It takes all that to say "don't take any wooden nickles" in German!
No wonder their cars are so expensive!

129 nyc redneck  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:13:44pm

re: #121 MandyManners

better tell them who the 'shit slinging monkey' is too.
just to keep the record straight.

130 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:14:08pm

re: #129 nyc redneck

better tell them who the 'shit slinging monkey' is too.
just to keep the record straight.

Howard Dean?

131 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:14:10pm

NObama for president.

YESbomb-a Terrorist nuke capabilities.

132 looking closely  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:14:24pm

But Obama wants to talk to Syria!

133 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:14:46pm

I cannot find "Push Da Button" by Teapack/?.

134 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:15:12pm

re: #127 Cartman

The smell of napalm in cyberspace...

I hid under my desk.

135 nyc redneck  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:15:13pm

re: #130 DesertSage

Howard Dean?

come on. he's the mushroom.
sheeeesh.

136 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:15:37pm

re: #129 nyc redneck

better tell them who the 'shit slinging monkey' is too.
just to keep the record straight.

Hoopie!

137 wolfie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:15:39pm

re: #130 DesertSage

Howard Dean?

You know, he's kind of an all purpose, appropriate answer, isn't he?

138 NoSpam  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:15:41pm

re: #115 blangwort

Yeah. And you can quite the NPT any time you want to. Just ask North Korea.

And you get to keep all your nuclear goodies too.

And act like a millitant five-year-old. The only thing that keeps a bureaucracy from expanding bloblike to a bloated mess is effective policing, but there's nobody to police the UN. They're more concened with preservation of the bureaucracy than actually enforcing some decency on the two-bit tyrants of the world and we're too wussy to just kick their collective butts to the curb.

Israel, fortunately, has no such wussiness. They do what they gotta do and don't wait for approval from morons. (And don't subsequently care what said morons whine about afterwards.)

139 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:15:48pm

re: #133 MandyManners

I cannot find "Push Da Button" by Teapack/?.

Here!

140 Cartman  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:16:12pm

re: #134 MandyManners

I hid under my desk.

It was the mutha of all trainwrecks.

141 nyc redneck  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:16:39pm

re: #136 MandyManners

Hoopie!

LOL

142 Rancher  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:16:41pm

re: #126 cowsmacker

I am wishing I could afford everything I want.

The idea of another Islamic nation with nukes gives me the cold sweats.


Given their propensity for killing each other every Middle East country has reason to fear another getting a nuke with the exception of Israel. Everyone but N.K. and Syria, and maybe Iran, maybe, thanks Israel. Me too.

143 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:16:47pm

re: #134 MandyManners

I hid under my desk.

I've never heard of this one.

144 Syrah  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:17:05pm

re: #105 MandyManners

I think you are right.

Dinnerjacket thinks he will be allowed to reign in his shadow. Somehow, I don't think the Mahdi is going to be the sharing type.

145 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:17:16pm

re: #87 Cartman

A ball of confusion.

Cartman -

The Ball of Confusion died - or should have on 9/11/2001.

-S-

146 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:17:23pm

Well, I'm off to acquire some of that highly potent, life saving element called Beerium. Catch y'all later.

147 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:17:44pm

re: #133 MandyManners

I cannot find "Push Da Button" by Teapack/?.

Here it is.

148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:17:56pm

re: #146 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, I'm off to acquire some of that highly potent, life saving element called Beerium. Catch y'all later.

I've no beer. Sigh.

149 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:18:27pm

re: #144 Syrah

I think you are right.

Dinnerjacket thinks he will be allowed to reign in his shadow. Somehow, I don't think the Mahdi is going to be the sharing type.

"There is only one Lord of the Ring, and he does not share power."

150 rabidsquirrel  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:18:48pm

re: #143 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've never heard of this one.

Consider yourself lucky. It wasn't pretty.

151 Rancher  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:18:57pm

re: #144 Syrah

He is the Mahdi.

152 BulgarWheat  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:19:07pm

good night Lizards! C some on the early thread.

153 opinionated  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:19:45pm

Caroline Glick tells you how Bush/Rice are saying thank you:

In 2004, Sharon was faced with a difficult political reality. After trouncing the Left in the January 2003 elections by denouncing Labor leader Amram Mitzna's plan to unilaterally withdraw from Gaza, in December 2003, Sharon shocked his party and coalition members by announcing that he was adopting Mitzna's reviled plan as his own.

Sharon was unable to argue with his critics who asserted that an Israeli withdrawal would mean a terrorist takeover. Israel would be handing Fatah and Hamas terrorists their biggest victory ever and convincing them that there is no reason for them to accept Israel's right to exist and sue for peace.

Since Sharon had no answers for his critics, who were merely stating the obvious, he worked to change the subject by linking the withdrawal to a piece of paper. He begged Bush to write him a letter stating that the US would not expect Israel to throw out all of the 500,000 Jews who live in Judea, Samaria and post-1967 Jerusalem neighborhoods in the framework of a peace treaty with the PLO. And in April 2004, Bush presented Sharon with a letter, which while qualified, was sufficient for him to claim a diplomatic victory that could justify the withdrawal. Bush wrote, "In light of new realities on the ground, including already existing major Israeli population centers, it is unrealistic to expect that the outcome of final status negotiations will be a full and complete return to the armistice lines of 1949."

THE LETTER was never the stunning endorsement that Sharon and his defenders in the local media made it out to be. But it was something. Today however, the Bush administration, which has sought to bar all Jewish building in both post-1967 neighborhoods in Jerusalem and all of Judea and Samaria including major population centers, is trying to disavow Bush's signed pledge entirely.

According to last Thursday's Washington Post, Bush administration officials are doing everything they can to try to get out of the President's commitment to Sharon. Justifying the letter as an insincere piece of political maneuvering used to help Sharon expel the Jews from Gaza and Northern Samaria in 2005, they explain that the letter is no longer politically necessary. It served its purpose of drumming up domestic Israeli support for the now completed withdrawal and expulsion and ought to be set aside.

As National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley gently phrased it, "The president obviously still stands by that letter of April of 2004, but you need to look at it, obviously, in the context in which it was issued."

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

154 formercorpsman  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:19:58pm

re: #148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

155 Syrah  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:20:11pm

re: #151 Rancher

He is the Mahdi.

I think he suspects that.

Or, that it is his secret hope.

156 Age Of Freedom  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:20:25pm

Thank you Israel!

157 blangwort  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:20:26pm

re: #120 Dr. Shalit

"bw" -

In 1968, Syria couldn't assemble an automobile, why not sign?

-S-

Back in 1968, Syria was trying to find an excuse to become a more powerful Soviet Satellite state. The Russians were positively eager to see how their weapons worked on that little upstart Jewish state. Too bad for them, the Syrian army was a complete farce. The Israelis could have fought them with not much more than squirt guns and they'd have won.

I saw all those abandoned tanks on the Golan Heights in the 1970s. The Syrians army literally got out of them and ran away from the approaching Israeli army. In fact, the Israelis used to parade their captured Soviet tanks. They had entire squadrons of them!

Yeah, let the Syrians have nuclear weapons. They can control them. What could possibly go wrong?

158 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:20:35pm

re: #140 Cartman

It was the mutha of all trainwrecks.

Clash of the Titans. Death-Knell of the Dolts.

159 VegasRick  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:21:07pm

re: #155 Syrah

I think he suspects that.

Or, that it is his secret hope.

Goodnight all! Nice talking to you Syrah.

160 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:21:19pm

re: #143 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It was ugly.

161 beachkatie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:21:29pm

re: #152 BulgarWheat

good night Lizards! C some on the early thread.


Sweetdream to ya!

162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:21:47pm

re: #150 rabidsquirrel

Consider yourself lucky. It wasn't pretty.

Kind of got in the middle on one once here trying to break it up...I have only been more totally ignored in my lifetime by my wife.

So, all arguments at LGF happen in spite of me. As St. Dangerfield once said, "Hey! I'm a lover, not a fighter."

163 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:21:53pm

re: #146 Slumbering Behemoth

"SB"

Aaaah - Cerveza - Cuando lo necesita, lo necesita, y no hay de que.

-S-

164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:22:43pm

re: #154 formercorpsman

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Thanks. heh.

165 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:22:48pm

re: #132 looking closely

But Obama wants to talk to Syria!

Oh, fuck Obama and fuck Bashir.

166 Syrah  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:22:58pm

re: #149 Sharmuta

"There is only one Lord of the Ring, and he does not share power."

"One Ring To Rule Them All, One Ring To Find Them, One Ring To Bring Them All And In The Darkness Bind Them!"

Brings to mind that circle thing that they do around that rock.

167 formercorpsman  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:23:19pm

re: #162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's like a storm.

I swear you can feel it coming weeks before the blow-outs occur.

168 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:23:30pm

re: #151 Rancher

He is the Mahdi.

He was born and raised in a log-cabin well?

169 Syrah  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:23:54pm

re: #159 VegasRick

Goodnight all! Nice talking to you Syrah.

Goodnight.

I will try to keep up on the latest lingo, but, well, that is not my strong suit.

170 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:24:01pm

brb Gotta' beat The Kid.

171 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:24:11pm

re: #163 Dr. Shalit

"SB"

Aaaah - Cerveza - Cuando lo necesita, lo necesita, y no hay de que.

-S-

Carpe Cerevisi...Sieze the Beer!

172 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:24:43pm

It's a shame we didn't have the balls to take care of this ourselves but I'm thankful that somebody in the world still does.

173 beachkatie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:24:47pm

re: #169 Syrah

Goodnight.

I will try to keep up on the latest lingo, but, well, that is not my strong suit.

Sweet dreams to ya!

174 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:25:21pm

re: #170 MandyManners

brb Gotta' beat The Kid.

Howard Dean?

175 formercorpsman  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:25:30pm

I'm outta herrrr, you jive turkeys.

176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:25:36pm

I am out like the fat kid at dodgeball.


G'night Jason.

177 opinionated  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:26:08pm

Less anyone forget.

Condoleezza Rice opposed Israel’s attack on Syrian nuclear site

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Believe it or not- she still has a job.

Tells you everything you need to know about this Administration.

178 cookielady  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:26:21pm

Thank you, Israel, for this and so many other things. The world is a better place because you exist.

179 beachkatie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:26:21pm

re: #175 formercorpsman

I'm outta herrrr, you jive turkeys.


weet dreams to ya! :)

180 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:26:21pm

re: #157 blangwort

"blang" -

Better yet - check the history - the Syrians were faked out when they abandoned the Soviet Tanks.

-S-

181 formercorpsman  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:27:11pm

re: #172 Killgore Trout

From all that I've read, it really looks as if it was still a joint effort.

But, it's late, who the hell knows.

Take it easy.

182 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:27:36pm

re: #171 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"FBV"

Whaddeverhappened to the good old "Carpe Diem?"

-S-

183 beachkatie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:28:27pm

re: #179 beachkatie

weet dreams to ya! :)


My S stuck! REALLY!

184 Last Mohican  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:29:31pm

re: #108 Sharmuta

[digg.com is] a news sharing site, controlled by moonbats, or as we've come to call them- diggbats.

I'd say the diggbats are a little different from the usual moonbats. Most seem to be boys, about 13-16 years old, and they use words like "pwned" a lot.

But there are other groups on digg.com that have even more influence than the diggbats. The largest groups are raving lunatic conspiracy theorists, vicious anti-semites, and Ron Paul supporters (who, as you can imagine, are often one and the same). Interestingly, there are also a lot of really militant anti-religion activists (i.e. people who hate ALL religions, and go around advocating for atheists' rights). And now and then the anti-circumcision activists get themselves going, which is sort of interesting.

Mixed in with those, there are about 10-20% intelligent adults who will often point you toward something worthwhile. One thing is really important though: go to the "my profile" section and (1) set yourself up for maximum privacy, and (2) there's some kind of group preferences setting thing where you can uncheck a box to tell it that you're not interested in stories on the subject of "2008 U.S. Elections." You gotta uncheck that box, otherwise you'll have a hard time finding anything interesting amongst the never-ending deluge of obamaspam.

185 Mahmoud Ahmadinejad  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:29:44pm

re: #121 MandyManners

AhmandidjjlllafgbouAUKHKGJKJGKJ

ShortShit.

Noted.

186 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:30:06pm

re: #166 Syrah

"One Ring To Rule Them All, One Ring To Find Them, One Ring To Bring Them All And In The Darkness Bind Them!"

Brings to mind that circle thing that they do around that rock.

It certainly fits.

187 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:30:19pm

I BEFORE E EXCEPT AFTER C
AND WHEN SOUNDING LIKE A, LIKE IN NEIGHBOR OR WEIGH.
AND YOU'LL ALWAYS BE WRONG
NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY!

Brian Regan.

oops...Carpe Cerevisi...Seize the Beer!

G'night all.

188 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:30:51pm

re: #183 beachkatie

weet dreams to ya! :)


My S stuck! REALLY!

Or maybe you just used one "E" too many?

189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:31:22pm

re: #188 DesertSage

Or maybe you just used one "E" too many?

GMTA

190 wolfie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:31:59pm

re: #187 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Goodnight, FBV !

191 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:32:04pm

re: #174 DesertSage

Howard Dean?

How dare you insult The Kid?! I demand satisfaction.

(Bagels at sunrise okay with you?)

192 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:32:16pm

re: #184 Last Mohican

Don't tell me- tell hermeneutics. I haven't bothered with digg in months.

193 Last Mohican  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:32:29pm

re: #189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

GMTA

"Great Minds Think Alike."

I just had to look that up, and I thought I'd enlighten any other geezers who were about to do the same.

194 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:33:33pm

re: #179 beachkatie

weet dreams to ya! :)

Weet dreams? Is that some kinda' perverse code for Sylvester?

195 blangwort  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:34:08pm

re: #180 Dr. Shalit

Uh huh. It was all due to a bit of creative "radio theater."

Which begs the question: If the Syrian army command and control was in such disarray that a bit of well crafted propaganda chased them off, how well would they do with a real nuke?

I'll bet there were loads of neighboring countries who were breathing a sigh of relief, just as they did when the Israelis bombed an Iraqi reactor back in the 1980s. Nevertheless, it didn't stop them from driving the UN to make all sorts of pompous noises about territorial sovereignty.

196 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:35:13pm

re: #191 MandyManners

How dare you insult The Kid?! I demand satisfaction.

(Bagels at sunrise okay with you?)

With Cream Cheese and Lox?

197 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:35:19pm

re: #185 Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Noted.


Glad you like it, ShortShit!

Send my regards to your buddy!

198 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:35:50pm

re: #196 DesertSage

With Cream Cheese and Lox?

The former and diced onions, please.

199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:36:59pm

re: #194 MandyManners

Weet dreams? Is that some kinda' perverse code for Sylvester?

Reminds me of joke...

Tonto has ear to the ground, looks up at Lone Ranger, says, "Buffalo come".

Lone Ranger is impressed, says, "Your people amaze me. The way your senses have been honed for thousands of years, with great traditions of scouting passed along from generation to generation. How are you sure Buffalo come?"

Tonto looks at him and says, "Cheek Sticky."

200 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:37:08pm

re: #177 opinionated

'op' -

Which is WHY I laughed at her consideration to be the "R" nominee for Vice President. Condi is an intelligent person. Her problem is that she equates the Palestinian Arab of 2008 with the African American of the early/mid 1960's in Montgomery, AL. Yo, Condi - the "Palestinian" of today has been more or less "on the WORLD'S dole" since 1948 under both Arab and Israeli regimes. Not so the African American of the early/mid 1960's. Take it from there and fill in the spaces.

-S-

201 beachkatie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:38:33pm

re: #188 DesertSage

Or maybe you just used one "E" too many?


What ever! heh hehe! :)

202 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:38:54pm

re: #198 MandyManners

The former and diced onions, please.

No smoked salmon? Blasphemy, I tell you!

Ahhhhhh.....the sun goes down over the City Of Angels!

203 Cartman  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:38:57pm

I had weet dreams the other night. I woke up, and I was covered in flour.

heh

204 Last Mohican  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:39:13pm

re: #192 Sharmuta

That was what I was thinking -- I meant it as sort of an open response to anyone interested.

I've come to appreciate some aspects of digg. There's obviously no point reading the "popular" political stories, but you can track the diggings of others whose contributions do interest you.

Mostly, though, I enjoy the non-political stories. How else would I have learned about the air-conditioned t-shirt? Or Japanese children's new fascination with crafting extremely shiny little balls out of mud?

205 gymnast  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:40:00pm

If a single nuclear weapon were to detonate, anywhere on earth it is plausible that the value of the companies as represented by the worlds stock markets would decline by 50% at the least, the global economy would be shattered, the casualties from starvation would be greater than from the resulting wars, governments would fall, revolutions would take place, etc. I would be seriously pissed off at having to replace my retirement plans with survival activities.

Thanks Israel, now that moves Iran to the top of the heap and the US needs to step up to the plate with a plan and a vengeance. Islamism has introduced the world to the reality of preventative war. Iraq and Afghanistan have provided us with the bases that allow victory against the greatest threat that the world has seen since the Cuban Missile crises. Time to get our shit together.

206 Attaboid  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:40:10pm

Don't worry, be happy!

/haven't heard that in a while.

207 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:40:13pm

re: #195 blangwort

blang -

Hopefully we will NEVER know. I wish them the fate of the New Orleans local Government - Pre: Bobby Jindal - STUCK ON STUPID!

-s-

208 Maine's Michael  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:40:30pm

re: #29 Nevergiveup

I am glad Israel acted, but the real big problem remains- IRAN. And Iran is to big a problem for Israel to tackle alone. I am just really afraid that if President Bush does not act before he leaves office, it will be to late.

He's gonna act, alright.

Word is, he is demanding Israel go into ceasefire mode, so that he can force Israel to conclude an agreement with Abbas giving him half of Jerusalem, and most of the ancestral Jewish lands of Judah and Samaria by Nov 2008.

See BabaZee's post /

Is it a quid pro quo for action on Iran?

209 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:40:58pm

re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

*whack*

210 Rancher  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:41:04pm

re: #168 MandyManners

OK, he's not the Mahdi but I think he thinks he's this guy.

Soon a pious person from the progeny of Imam Hasan Mojtaba... meets with the Imam. He is a venerable God-fearing individual from Iran. Before the Imam's appearance he fights oppression and corruption and enters Iraq to lift the siege of Kufa and holy Najaf and to defeat the forces of Sofyani in Iraq. He then pledges allegiance to Imam Mahdi.

211 hermeneutics  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:41:15pm

re: #192 Sharmuta

I got the message. Thanks. Interesting, too.

212 blangwort  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:42:35pm

re: #207 Dr. Shalit

If Israel keeps watching and defending against them, we won't know. I'll sleep soundly tonight. Good night Lizards!

213 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:42:57pm

re: #202 DesertSage

No smoked salmon? Blasphemy, I tell you!

Ahhhhhh.....the sun goes down over the City Of Angels!

Beautiful! When will all that smoke from the fire dissipate?

214 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:43:09pm

re: #209 MandyManners

*whack*

I wasn't sure if it would translate well written out. So at least you got it? Went well with all the "weet dreams" stuff floating around it.

215 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:43:27pm

re: #204 Last Mohican

Shiny mud balls...now I want one.

216 Last Mohican  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:43:43pm

re: #208 Maine's Michael


Is it a quid pro quo for action on Iran?

Why would Bush demand Israeli territorial concessions in exchange for action against Iran? I would think the only reason for doing that would be to help keep the Muslim street from going completely apesh*t nuts when the U.S. attacks Iran, and keeping their hating-America level in the low range.

But I think that, if America attacks Iran, the Muslim street will go nuts regardless of what's happening in Judea and Samaria. And we know that their hate-America meter is going to be pegged at 11 anyway. So what's the difference?

217 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:44:52pm

re: #213 MandyManners

Beautiful! When will all that smoke from the fire dissipate?

It's starting to now. In a few days we'll be back to the normal smog.

218 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:45:40pm

re: #210 Rancher

OK, he's not the Mahdi but I think he thinks he's this guy.

With all due respect, I think that that is just a bunch of hoo-hah. He might be trying to fufill that crap but, HIS GOD IS NOT IN CONTROL OF THIS.

219 hermeneutics  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:45:51pm

re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

HYSTERICAL. More Jokes, Chubby!

220 Maine's Michael  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:46:40pm

re: #216 Last Mohican

Why would Bush demand Israeli territorial concessions in exchange for action against Iran? I would think the only reason for doing that would be to help keep the Muslim street from going completely apesh*t nuts when the U.S. attacks Iran, and keeping their hating-America level in the low range.

But I think that, if America attacks Iran, the Muslim street will go nuts regardless of what's happening in Judea and Samaria. And we know that their hate-America meter is going to be pegged at 11 anyway. So what's the difference?


I believe both of your points are true.

America's Israel policy does not help America, and only hurts Israel.

221 Last Mohican  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:47:01pm

re: #215 Sharmuta

They're really cool. The article contains instructions on how to make them, too. But it looked pretty time-consuming, so I've deferred my first attempt at shiny mudball-making for a while.

Here's another little digglet: the psychoacoustic illusion of tones with perpetually rising pitch.

222 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:47:07pm

re: #214 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't wanna' even think about stump-broke buffalo.

223 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:47:32pm
224 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:47:53pm

re: #219 hermeneutics

HYSTERICAL. More Jokes, Chubby!

So it typed out okay? Was really concerned, but couldn't pass it up... Started with comments by Last Mohican, the weet dreams...how could I not tell that one. Try to keep from to much Joke Threading, I leave that for the "Claw". But I am glad you enjoyed it.

Now, I really must go to bed. See you on the morrow!

225 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:48:11pm

re: #221 Last Mohican

I saw the instructions- I think I'll take a crack at it.

226 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:48:13pm

re: #148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #163 Dr. Shalit

So the rumors are true, there really are sober children in American? How very sad, what is this country coming too?
/

227 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:48:37pm

re: #221 Last Mohican

Oh- and thanks for sharing. :)

228 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:48:41pm

re: #217 DesertSage

It's starting to now. In a few days we'll be back to the normal smog.


Great!

229 cookielady  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:48:54pm

re: #220 Maine's Michael

Jerusalem is the burdensome stone. And G*d does not take lightly the sin of those who divide the Land.

But the Book says they're all going to continue to do so!

230 Opinionated  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:50:32pm

re: #200 Dr. Shalit

You laugh at the idea of her as VP, I cry that she is still Sec of State.

This was not about her 'Palestinian' pets. This was proof she is a rationalizing cowardly appeaser with an strong anti Israel disposition. Or in other words- Carter like.

231 snowcrash  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:50:32pm

re: #225 Sharmuta
I book marked the directions. They are cool.

232 Last Mohican  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:51:28pm

re: #220 Maine's Michael

Maybe Bush's goal in demanding Israeli concessions is not to satisfy the "Palestinians" or the Saudis, who of course will never be satisfied until Israel is annihilated. Maybe he's trying to appeal instead to future historians, who he hopes may judge him as a peacemaker, or at least more "balanced" with respect to Mideast policy, if he smacks Israel around a little for no particular reason.

If that's his thinking, then I think he should give up. His legacy is beyond repair, in my opinion. If I were him, I'd head back to my ranch on January 21, 2009, throw a few steaks on the grill, crack open a cold one, put my feet up, and watch the sunset.

233 nyc redneck  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:51:39pm

fck the moslem street.

234 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:51:55pm

re: #208 Maine's Michael

"MM' -

Unless it IS a "quid pro quo" - My advice to the Israelis is Wait It Out.

-S-

235 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:51:59pm

re: #231 snowcrash

I book marked the directions. They are cool.

I did too.

236 ggt  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:53:25pm

Good Evening Lizards! It's cold in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland now. We even got some flurries today --algore's last attempt of the year -- of what I do not know.

How are you all tonite and what are we talking about?

237 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:53:26pm

re: #233 nyc redneck

fck the moslem street.

"nyc"

Look at it this way - when you want to hear a--holes - f-rt.

-S-

238 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:54:12pm

re: #236 ggt

Hey ggt! Weet dreams.

239 Ziggy  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:54:45pm

if Syria was that close to having nukes and no one knew, how close must Iran actually be? Sleep tight.

240 cookielady  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:55:44pm

re: #239 Ziggy

if Syria was that close to having nukes and no one knew, how close must Iran actually be? Sleep tight.

Geez Louise, thanks a lot, Ziggy!

Faith is the only antidote for fear!

241 Last Mohican  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:56:02pm

re: #236 ggt


How are you all tonite and what are we talking about?

Doing well tonight, thanks! How are you? Tonight's topics include geopolitical ramifications of Israel's attack on the Syrian nuclear reactor, "weet dreams," and shiny Japanese mudballs.

242 mattm  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:56:11pm

re: #10 Occasional Reader

Just one, he deserver to get one every year for all the great work her does, like...... um ...... well. Nevermind.

243 NomadOfNorad  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:57:07pm

re: #238 DesertSage

Hey ggt! Weet dreams.

I think we've just invented a new in-joke slang term that LGFers will use from this day forward. :D :D :D :D

244 ggt  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:57:13pm

re: #238 DesertSage

Weet dreams?

back at cha' (I think?)

245 wolfie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:57:26pm

re: #236 ggt

Good Evening Lizards! It's cold in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland now. We even got some flurries today --algore's last attempt of the year -- of what I do not know.

How are you all tonite and what are we talking about?

nuking Iran, weet dreams, screwing Israel, and cute little dogs racing with cute little legs

246 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:57:57pm

re: #243 NomadOfNorad

I think we've just invented a new in-joke slang term that LGFers will use from this day forward. :D :D :D :D

H/T - Beachkatie

247 ggt  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:58:21pm

re: #241 Last Mohican

Doing well tonight, thanks! How are you? Tonight's topics include geopolitical ramifications of Israel's attack on the Syrian nuclear reactor, "weet dreams," and shiny Japanese mudballs.

weet dreams and shiny Japanese mudballs.

hmmmm . . .

I don't think I am going to ask.

248 Last Mohican  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:58:43pm

re: #233 nyc redneck

fck the moslem street.

I think the Muslim street has, collectively, become the world's Boy Who Cried "Rage." I mean, if you're going to fly into a murderous rage and start killing people because of what some little boy names his teddy bear, then how can you expect leaders of nations to respond sensitively to your other political grievances?

249 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:58:59pm

re: #247 ggt

You know you want a shiny mud ball- admit it!

250 Rancher  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:00:28pm

re: #218 MandyManners
Doesn’t matter. Perception is everything in the Middle East, facts matter little. That was yesterday’s spin; he’ll come up with something similar to fit his Messianic persona in the future. I used to write the guy off as a puppet of the Mullahs but he is amassing more and more power. One sign of this is that the Mullahs have slapped him down a few times in the last year and a half.

251 Sarge1984  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:00:40pm

Dang, go answer the phone, talk to old friends for an hour, and BAM! Two new threads and weet dreams. What is this, the Lounge?

252 zoidberg  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:00:46pm

Thankyou Israel!

253 ggt  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:01:08pm

re: #249 Sharmuta

ahhhhh, I'm not thinking I do.

254 jaunte  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:01:14pm

Hikaru dorodango; 'cause we've got to get back to the land!

255 Last Mohican  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:01:30pm

re: #251 Sarge1984

I apologize for introducing the mudballs. But I had nothing to do with the wiener dogs.

256 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:02:17pm

re: #251 Sarge1984

Hey Sarge!

Weet dreams to you too!

257 Sarge1984  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:02:50pm

re: #255 Last Mohican

I'm with ggt. I don't wanna know...good thing I'm too lazy to read back over the first 200 comments on this thread.

258 Sarge1984  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:03:13pm

re: #256 DesertSage

You're scarin' me, Sage!

259 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:03:22pm

re: #236 ggt

Good Evening Lizards! It's cold in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland now. We even got some flurries today --algore's last attempt of the year -- of what I do not know.

Where I'm at, it's just about 8pm and the temp is 79 degrees. I'm rubbing it in now because in just a short while it will be the season of "OMFG it's one-hundred-and-suck-arse degrees AGAIN, I f**king hate summer", and I'll be super jealous of you folks languishing in the extra chilly 80s.

P.S., feel free to rub that in when the time comes.

260 republic  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:04:03pm

And Barrack Hussein and Hillary want to have, no - precondition talks, with Iran, Syria, Venezuela, N Korea, et al, like,

"Hey Mahmoud, hows the nuclear thingy going", "oh, we gave up on the nuclear thing years ago, wink, wink, wink".

There is no Democrat currently in Washington D.C. who would have the Intel cajons to have even known about something like what Syria was/is doing.

Only after whomever would use nukes, would a Democrat do anything, and then, it would be a "police action".

The "head" of the U.N. nuclear watchdog group, "Alwhatever his name is", needs to go, now!

Sheesh!

261 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:04:06pm

I went to a party with a bunch of Russians and Ukrainians.
Apparently drinking to each other's health "Na zdroviye!" involves being embalmed in vodka.
Embalming preserves health?
Very good vodka, though.

Israel keeps doing the world's dirty work, and doing it with class and style.
Thanks Israel.

262 Sarge1984  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:04:59pm

re: #259 Slumbering Behemoth

Where I'm at, it's just about 8pm and the temp is 79 degrees. I'm rubbing it in now because in just a short while it will be the season of "OMFG it's one-hundred-and-suck-arse degrees AGAIN, I f**king hate summer", and I'll be super jealous of you folks languishing in the extra chilly 80s.

P.S., feel free to rub that in when the time comes.

Don't worry--the monsoons will come and cool it off.

263 looking closely  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:05:10pm

re: #239 Ziggy

if Syria was that close to having nukes and no one knew, how close must Iran actually be? Sleep tight.


Syria, by itself, doesn't have the technical ability to construct nukes.
The Syrian air defenses were bought and paid for by Iran.
The Syrian nuke plant, therefore, was likely put there either by Iran, or at least with its knowledge.
So its reasonable to assume that the nuke-U-lar material in Syria was either being generated for use by Iran, or (less likely) by North Korea, or both.
Consequently, its reasonable to assume that Syria trying to make nukes is part of the same problem as Iran; its not a different thing.

264 republic  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:06:32pm

re: #262 Sarge1984

Don't worry--the monsoons will come and cool it off.


Freeze warnings in the Midwest tonight, with low 40's for highs tommorow.

Also, chance of snow.

Must be the manmade global warming thing.

;p

265 DownRightMeanAmerican  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:06:32pm

re: #259 Slumbering Behemoth

Where I'm at, it's just about 8pm and the temp is 79 degrees. I'm rubbing it in now because in just a short while it will be the season of "OMFG it's one-hundred-and-suck-arse degrees AGAIN, I f**king hate summer", and I'll be super jealous of you folks languishing in the extra chilly 80s.

P.S., feel free to rub that in when the time comes.

Its only 75.1 in my area.

/

266 finallyhere  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:07:20pm

Exclusive: Roadblock removal north of Nablus bares central Israel to revived West Bank terror menace

April 28, 2008, 8:15 PM (GMT+02:00)
Defense minister Ehud Barak

Defense minister Ehud Barak

Military authorities leading the campaign against Palestinian terror told DEBKAfile Monday, April 28, that the removal of the permanent roadblock at Asariya a-Shemaliya north of the West Bank town of Nablus lays the entire area including central Israel open to terrorist attacks which that very roadblock had long been a key element in frustrating.

The decision was taken by defense minister Ehud Barak in line with his promise to US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to ease Palestinian traffic on the West Bank by reducing the number of roadblocks. She is due for another visit in early May ahead of President George W. Bush’s attendance of Israel’s 60th anniversary celebrations.

Worried anti-terror planners offer dire predictions:

1. The roadblock’s removal enables a link-up between the terrorist strongholds of Jenin and Nablus and helps them strengthen their networks in both.

2. The intense security effort invested by the army and security service in building a counter-terror shield in this part of the West Bank is brought to naught. The sleeper cells of armed Palestinian factions long quiescent in Saida, Beit Iba, Deir Sharaf and Beit Lid between Nablus and Tulkarm will now have unimpeded access to weapons, explosives, reinforcements and an exchange of intelligence for their reactivation.

The murder of two Israelis at Nitsanei Oz across the border from Tulkarm on April 25 was the first sign of these terrorist cells are stirring. They will be further energized by the removal of the key roadblock Monday.

3. They will now have a clear path from the northern West Bank to the trans-Israeli Highway 6 and the Israeli heartland cities of Netanya, Kfar Saba, Rosh Ha’ayin and Hadera.

One military source said to DEBKAfile: “The countdown has begun for the next suicide attack in Israel.”

This blood will be on Condi Rice's hands.

267 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:07:52pm

re: #230 Opinionated

You laugh at the idea of her as VP, I cry that she is still Sec of State.

This was not about her 'Palestinian' pets. This was proof she is a rationalizing cowardly appeaser with an strong anti Israel disposition. Or in other words- Carter like.

OK, "Op" -

I wanted her to succeed in the worst way, especially after Gen. Powell went wobbly. Never, ever, thought that her life experience would ALLOW her to identify with "the bombers" of the Middle East. Perhaps COLOR is stronger than reality - something I believe Dr. King would have disagreed with, as he was as Pro-Israel as Cesar Chavez was Anti-Illegal Immigrant in his day. please take it from there, I refuse to write what I am thinking.

-S-

268 Last Mohican  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:08:08pm

re: #263 looking closely

You think? I'm thinking that Iran already has a country full of centrifuges spinning at full speed, and nobody is going to do a damned thing about it, because an attack on Iran would open a big can of worms. On the other hand, Israel kicks Syria's ass a little bit every few years, and it's never really a big deal.

I'm thinking, if I were Iran and wanted to put a nuclear reactor somewhere, it'd be much safer in my own country than in Syria.

269 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:08:39pm

Thank you Israel! And thank you for Osirak in 1981 as well!
(being several months old, I could not thank them at the time).

270 ggt  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:08:42pm

re: #255 Last Mohican

apology accepted.

271 ggt  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:09:39pm

re: #259 Slumbering Behemoth

Don't worry, I will. Chicagolanders rarely have the opportunity to do that. ;)

272 Maine's Michael  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:09:54pm

My take on the USA's Israel policy.

Some may not like to hear it, but as a hypothesis, it explains reality better than analyses proposed by others.

Please, someone, prove it wrong.

I am afraid that it is true.

'We need you to bleed, and, more importantly, to be seen to bleed, by the Arab world. We will shrink you down, over time, and in return for Arab acquiescence to our needs and machinations in the wider middle east, to the smallest size sustainable by the best military technology and diplomatic invention. When the technology improves, we can and will shrink you down further. This will continue until our needs in the middle east are fulfilled. You cannot refuse. By refusing, you will lose the American veto in the UN Security Council. This will subject you crippling sanctions. You will also lose access to critical military spare parts you must have, and you will lose assurance of resupply in the event of war with your neighbors. '

273 Sarge1984  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:10:33pm

re: #264 republic

I'll behave and not update on the weather here in the Sonoran Desert...

274 ggt  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:11:21pm

re: #267 Dr. Shalit

I think of it as the "Curse of the Office" of SOS. And, some people think Diplomats (shh, the UN) should be running the world.

275 Rancher  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:11:38pm

re: #263 looking closely
Radar by Russia similar to what Iran has.

276 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:11:39pm

re: #262 Sarge1984

I don't get the wet monsoons here; only the dry, hot ones. Even the winters are dry, though this winter has been a good one. Not as much rain/snow as we might need, but more than winters of recent past.

277 nyc redneck  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:11:47pm

re: #248 Last Mohican

I think the Muslim street has, collectively, become the world's Boy Who Cried "Rage." I mean, if you're going to fly into a murderous rage and start killing people because of what some little boy names his teddy bear, then how can you expect leaders of nations to respond sensitively to your other political grievances?

i don't think any decisions we make should be influenced by the moslem street. it is a mob whose threatened rage would hold us hostage. to a large extent, i think it is control by certain people who whip them up into a frenzy, and pass out clubs (all the same uniform size 1 by 3's abt. 4 ft. long), also provide flags of designated country to be denigrated, provide posters of people to be burned in effigy and provide flammable liquids. the moslem street seems like a pr stunt.

278 cheeseland  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:12:20pm

CBS News "journalist" Richard Butler was kidnapped in Basra, and held for two months. He does not know who kidnapped him, but thinks they might have had Iranian/Hesbollah leanings since they played Hezbollah videos and Hezbollah ringtones on mobile phones.

Butler said he felt it was better to be kidnapped in Iraq then taken into custody by Americans in Afghanistan.

"I was pleased I wasn't being mortarboarded in Guantanamo or being held for six and a half years like an Al-Jazeera cameraman, for instance," he said.

Lucky guy.

279 ggt  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:12:53pm

re: #272 Maine's Michael

got a link for that --or is it somewhere in the 200+ posts Sarge and I don't want to read?

280 NomadOfNorad  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:13:14pm

re: #246 DesertSage

H/T - Beachkatie

I'm sorry, my Universal Translator seems to be on the fritz. Could you repeat that one in English?

281 bosforus  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:13:23pm

It's sad that Israel is motivated by its own self preservation. I'm not knocking Israel, of course, I'm just saying that it knows how to look after its own butt, seeing as how it has to.

282 Maine's Michael  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:14:09pm

By the way, the current admin is backing away from Bush's wiggly worded written 'promise' to the now comatose Sharon.

See Glick's current piece:

relevant excerpt:


THE LETTER was never the stunning endorsement that Sharon and his defenders in the local media made it out to be. But it was something. Today however, the Bush administration, which has sought to bar all Jewish building in both post-1967 neighborhoods in Jerusalem and all of Judea and Samaria including major population centers, is trying to disavow Bush's signed pledge entirely.

According to last Thursday's Washington Post, Bush administration officials are doing everything they can to try to get out of the President's commitment to Sharon. Justifying the letter as an insincere piece of political maneuvering used to help Sharon expel the Jews from Gaza and Northern Samaria in 2005, they explain that the letter is no longer politically necessary. It served its purpose of drumming up domestic Israeli support for the now completed withdrawal and expulsion and ought to be set aside.

As National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley gently phrased it, "The president obviously still stands by that letter of April of 2004, but you need to look at it, obviously, in the context in which it was issued."

In a breathtakingly inconsistent claim, former secretary of state Colin Powell asserted that while the administration issued the letter specifically in order to lead Israeli voters to believe they had won an American concession, he never anticipated "that Bush's letter would be perceived as a green light by Israel for adding to the settlements."

All of this was eminently predictable. Times change, interests change and policies adapt to new conditions. This is a basic and iron rule of politics. But Israel's elites refuse to accept it no matter how many times events bear it out. Take for example the Six Day War.

The Six Day War might never have happened if the US hadn't breached the signed commitment president Dwight Eisenhower made to Israel in 1957. After forcing Israel to withdraw from the Sinai Peninsula, Eisenhower pledged in writing that if the Egyptians ever closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping, the US would come to Israel's aid. But when, in 1967 Egypt did just that, the US had more important things to attend to. And so Israel was forced to fulfill the Zionist vision and defend itself. .

283 ggt  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:14:10pm

re: #278 cheeseland

gee, think just maybe, that Al Jazeera Camerman was more than just a camerman?

284 opinionated  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:14:32pm

Looks like Jimmy Carter is going to be on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart in a couple of minutes.

His comedy gig: the Arabs want peace.

285 Sarge1984  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:14:47pm

re: #276 Slumbering Behemoth

Sorry to hear it. They're a welcome relief in August, drop the temps down about 20 degrees or so, add moisture and comic relief of idiots that can't drive on wet roads. Bad part is they raise the humidity. 104 and 5% humidity isn't the bad. 104 and 70% humidity is hell.

286 opinionated  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:15:13pm

re: #282 Maine's Michael

See #153

287 haakondahl  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:15:14pm

re: #267 Dr. Shalit

OK, "Op" -

I wanted her to succeed in the worst way, especially after Gen. Powell went wobbly. Never, ever, thought that her life experience would ALLOW her to identify with "the bombers" of the Middle East. Perhaps COLOR is stronger than reality - something I believe Dr. King would have disagreed with, as he was as Pro-Israel as Cesar Chavez was Anti-Illegal Immigrant in his day. please take it from there, I refuse to write what I am thinking.

-S-

Why not? You've already said too much.

288 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:15:15pm

re: #266 finallyhere

"f-h" -

When a man comes to kill thee - kill him first. worked in the "Old Testament," still works now.

-S-

289 Maine's Michael  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:15:20pm

re: #279 ggt

got a link for that --or is it somewhere in the 200+ posts Sarge and I don't want to read?

I don't understand.

That paragraph is my interpretation of what is going on.

290 realwest  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:15:42pm

Hey Y'all - what have I missed?!

291 Last Mohican  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:15:46pm

re: #278 cheeseland


Butler said he felt it was better to be kidnapped in Iraq then taken into custody by Americans in Afghanistan.

"I was pleased I wasn't being mortarboarded in Guantanamo or being held for six and a half years like an Al-Jazeera cameraman, for instance," he said.
.

Hmm. Maybe he should spend six and a half years in Guantanamo, and then tell us which one was worse. Perhaps he should become the fourth person to be waterboarded by the U.S., just so he can really write authoritatively on the subject.

292 ggt  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:15:53pm

re: #281 bosforus

It's sad that Israel is motivated by its own self preservation. I'm not knocking Israel, of course, I'm just saying that it knows how to look after its own butt, seeing as how it has to.

I don't know, I think it is an example we all should follow. Take care of self first, then look to see who we can help. I'm rather inspired by the proud and able people of Israel.

293 cookielady  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:15:55pm

re: #280 NomadOfNorad

I'm sorry, my Universal Translator seems to be on the fritz. Could you repeat that one in English?

The 'hat tip' (designated thanks) for the phrase weet dreams go to the lizard with the nic beachkatie; i.e., she was the originator of tonight's featured keyboard slip.

294 wolfie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:16:11pm

re: #278 cheeseland

I'm all for sending him back to his captors. Good riddance.

295 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:16:24pm

re: #274 ggt

I think of it as the "Curse of the Office" of SOS. And, some people think Diplomats (shh, the UN) should be running the world.

"ggt"

Were that person JOHN BOLTON - it might just work.

-S-

296 Maine's Michael  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:16:55pm

re: #286 opinionated

Sorry, we were cross posting.

I posted it as an illustration of my interpreation of the USA's Israel policy.

I know that you and I are very much on the same page.

297 jdun  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:17:09pm

Lets face it the UN is a piece of shit. What the UN good at is promoting terror and tyrants. It is a welfare institution for liberal politicians and I personally think it should be disband.

298 cookielady  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:17:23pm

re: #284 opinionated

Looks like Jimmy Carter is going to be on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart in a couple of minutes.

His comedy gig: the Arabs want peace.

His gig makes me gag.

299 ggt  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:17:38pm

re: #289 Maine's Michael

Sorry, I didn't get that --It looked like a quote from somewhere.

300 ggt  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:17:54pm

re: #295 Dr. Shalit

Weet Dreams!

301 realwest  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:18:10pm

re: #289 Maine's Michael
Good evening - your post seemed to be quoting someone about shrinking Israel etc. and I think that's what Sarge and ggt were asking about - who is that quote from?

302 beachkatie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:18:31pm

re: #293 cookielady

The 'hat tip' (designated thanks) for the phrase weet dreams go to the lizard with the nic beachkatie; i.e., she was the originator of tonight's featured keyboard slip.

thanks cookielady!

303 Alouette  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:18:33pm

re: #278 cheeseland

I was pleased I wasn't being mortarboarded in Guantanamo

Now they're giving them fucking college degrees at Gitmo?

304 opinionated  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:18:47pm

re: #296 Maine's Michael

No reason to appologize. Glick should be repeated a thousand times.

305 ainchreidmheach, like  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:18:50pm

Thank you Israel.

I hope I live to see the day when you aren't forced to do the world's dirty work, and your people can live in the same comfort and safety that I do.

306 ggt  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:18:53pm

re: #290 realwest

Hey rw! How you doin'? I'll be thinking of you tomorrow.

307 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:19:47pm

re: #265 DownRightMeanAmerican

Its only 75.1 in my area.

You're too early. Wait until about July or so when my A/C is bustin' nutz just to keep my cave at 82 degrees, then I'll be jealous.

308 NomadOfNorad  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:19:57pm

re: #293 cookielady

The 'hat tip' (designated thanks) for the phrase weet dreams go to the lizard with the nic beachkatie; i.e., she was the originator of tonight's featured keyboard slip.

Ah. Okay, I grok now. Thankee.

309 wolfie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:20:20pm

re: #303 Alouette

Now they're giving them fucking college degrees at Gitmo?

HA HA HA HA I didn't even notice that bit of idiocy! Ha!
Mortarboarded! HA HA HA HA HA HA

310 Rancher  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:20:23pm

re: #272 Maine's Michael
The State Department has been anti-Semitic since WWII when they ignored evidence of the Holocaust. Condi was destroyed by State. IIRC State has had its share of security leaks albeit not as bad as at CIA and NSA. I wish I could say your wrong.

311 bosforus  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:20:23pm

re: #292 ggt

I don't know, I think it is an example we all should follow. Take care of self first, then look to see who we can help. I'm rather inspired by the proud and able people of Israel.

Right. It's troubling that so many people in the US, however, don't know what has to be done in order to preserve ourselves. I think Israel is a great example as well but even now, 7 years after 9/11, many of us in the US, democrats, don't have the foreign policy mindset that leads to self-preservation.

312 cookielady  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:20:57pm

re: #308 NomadOfNorad

Ha! I grok grokking!
(waaaayyyy too much scifi in my past reading)

313 beachkatie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:21:03pm

re: #301 realwest

Good evening - your post seemed to be quoting someone about shrinking Israel etc. and I think that's what Sarge and ggt were asking about - who is that quote from?


Realwest i hope the bad weather past youy buy today!

314 haakondahl  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:21:10pm

re: #291 Last Mohican

Hmm. Maybe he should spend six and a half years in Guantanamo, and then tell us which one was worse. Perhaps he should become the fourth person to be waterboarded by the U.S., just so he can really write authoritatively on the subject.



After continuing to recover at his house in France, Butler said he wants to go back to reporting in the world's danger spots. He doesn't plan to go back to Basra anytime soon, however.

Apparently, not to the U.S., either.

315 looking closely  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:21:40pm

re: #268 Last Mohican

You think? I'm thinking that Iran already has a country full of centrifuges spinning at full speed, and nobody is going to do a damned thing about it, because an attack on Iran would open a big can of worms. On the other hand, Israel kicks Syria's ass a little bit every few years, and it's never really a big deal.

I'm thinking, if I were Iran and wanted to put a nuclear reactor somewhere, it'd be much safer in my own country than in Syria.

This is true, but the one in Syria was of a different design than the ones in Iran. Those are enriching Uranium, and could conceiveably be masqueraded as generating fuel for energy or medical use.

The one in Syria was modeled after the North Korean reactor in Yongbyon (I believe itself a Soviet design), designed to manufacture weapons grade plutonium, a different sort of product, with less benign use. I'll leave the distinction to lizards more adept at nuclear physics than I, but by putting the easily detected Plutonium reactor in Syria, I think that creates some degree of separation from Iran.

316 realwest  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:22:00pm

re: #306 ggt Hey ggt! Thanks, I'll be thinking of me tomorrow, too! LOL!
How are you doing this fine evening?

317 ggt  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:22:42pm

Weet Dreams, n, a LGFism originated by beachkatie on 4/28/08, originally a keyboard slip. Has been used to indicate a thought that is a combination of "sweet dreams" and "in your wet dreams". i.e., John Bolton as Secretary of State.

318 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:23:03pm

re: #300 ggt

Weet Dreams!

ggt -

Dream the things that are not yet and SCREAM WHY NOT!

-S-

319 Yankee Division Son  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:23:27pm

This certainly answers a few questions in my mind, what target was important enough for Israel (or the US, for that matter) to hit it, and more importantly perhaps, why Syria was so quiet about it.

Achems razor...

320 beachkatie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:23:34pm

re: #316 realwest

Hey ggt! Thanks, I'll be thinking of me tomorrow, too! LOL!
How are you doing this fine evening?


i TOLD YOU GUYS i NEED TO CLEAN MY KEYBOARD! :)

321 Sarge1984  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:23:36pm

re: #317 ggt

Weet Dreams, n, a LGFism originated by beachkatie on 4/28/08, originally a keyboard slip. Has been used to indicate a thought that is a combination of "sweet dreams" and "in your wet dreams". i.e., John Bolton as Secretary of State.

Who's in charge of updating the LGF Dictionary?

322 opinionated  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:23:37pm

re: #310 Rancher

The State Department has been anti-Semitic since WWII when they ignored evidence of the Holocaust. Condi was destroyed by State.

I don't buy that State turned her as it turns everyone in the office.

George Schultz came out of the SOS office more sympathetic to Israel then when he went entered.

Her views are her views.

323 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:23:52pm

re: #271 ggt

Don't worry, I will. Chicagolanders rarely have the opportunity to do that. ;)

I wouldn't have it any other way. Just remember me when the time comes, and rub it in real good. In turn, I shall do the same come next winter. All in good fun, of course.

324 ggt  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:23:54pm

re: #311 bosforus

Many have self-preservation in this life confused with where we go in the after-life.

325 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:24:09pm

re: #250 Rancher

Doesn’t matter. Perception is everything in the Middle East, facts matter little. That was yesterday’s spin; he’ll come up with something similar to fit his Messianic persona in the future. I used to write the guy off as a puppet of the Mullahs but he is amassing more and more power. One sign of this is that the Mullahs have slapped him down a few times in the last year and a half.

I understand all of that.

I'm just saying that his perspective is as kooky as his god.

326 realwest  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:24:27pm

re: #313 beachkatie Hi
there {beachkatie} Nope - we got a little over an inch of rain today. At this time last year it would have been greatfully received; this year, most of us are saying: Enough rain already! LOL!
How'd you make out?

327 opinionated  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:25:02pm

My last thought online for the day as I'm watching him:

Jimmy Carter is a POS.

328 NomadOfNorad  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:25:22pm

re: #312 cookielady

Ha! I grok grokking!
(waaaayyyy too much scifi in my past reading)

I resemble that remark. :D

329 ggt  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:25:36pm

re: #316 realwest

I'm tired as usual. Was super busy this weekend, glad to have a night on the couch with my friends!

/NO JOKEs

330 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:25:45pm

re: #280 NomadOfNorad

I'm sorry, my Universal Translator seems to be on the fritz. Could you repeat that one in English?

H/T = hat tip.

BeachKatie gets the hat tip for coming up with "weet" dreams in comment #179

331 ggt  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:26:21pm

re: #321 Sarge1984

I have no idea--is that Zombie?

332 realwest  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:26:45pm

re: #321 Sarge1984 Hey Sarge! I don't know, but am still a little miffed that John Fucking Murtha isn't in the dictionary, with me getting credit for originating and perpetuating it! LOL!

333 Lyric  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:27:53pm

Hi Israel,

Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

I'm a Christian... but I'm a warrior... and I will fight for you when you need me.

334 cookielady  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:27:57pm

re: #317 ggt

Weet Dreams, n, a LGFism originated by beachkatie on 4/28/08, originally a keyboard slip. Has been used to indicate a thought that is a combination of "sweet dreams" and "in your wet dreams". i.e., John Bolton as Secretary of State.

Please submit immediately to Head Lizard for dictionary inclusion. Thank you. That is all.

335 beachkatie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:28:26pm

re: #326 realwest

Hi
there {beachkatie} Nope - we got a little over an inch of rain today. At this time last year it would have been greatfully received; this year, most of us are saying: Enough rain already! LOL!
How'd you make out?


I Passed By fallslake, it is Prettyfull now!

336 Maine's Michael  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:28:38pm

re: #301 realwest

I was quoting myself.

I have posted that paragraph many times, with minor variations.

337 JeremyR  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:28:49pm

re: #327 opinionated

My last thought online for the day as I'm watching him:

Jimmy Carter is a POS.

Careful, shit may sue you for defamation.

338 Purple Prose  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:29:21pm

Israel should get the Nobel Peace Prize.

How ironic that every Dar al-Harb nation, including the states of the EU, Russia and China, are secretly happy as hell that Israel destroyed Syria's nuclear facility, yet they publicly have done nothing but condemn Israel for this and just about every other action Israel has taken to ensure its survival.

It's very much like their relationship with the US. They want us to do what we are doing. They want us to be a global police force. They want us to combat jihad, yet they can't say so, because it would go against their public multicultural ideologies and might offend their restless Muslim population.

Quels hypocrites!

339 realwest  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:29:42pm

re: #330 DesertSage Hey Sage! Saw your neck of the woods on TV tonight - those fires are pretty damn bad ok. The good news is that the wind will start coming in off the ocean tomorrow and the humidity level will rise considerably, aiding in putting the fires out!

340 Sol Roth  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:30:32pm

re: #290 realwest

How are you feeling today realwest?

341 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:31:31pm

re: #337 JeremyR

Careful, shit may sue you for defamation.

"JR" -

However as the Law stands now, likely to succeed only in the UK. Unenforceable in the US.

-S-

342 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:32:04pm

Yeah, I'm sure Jon Stewart will be all over Jimmuh with lots of hard-hitting questions.

/

343 realwest  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:32:19pm

Huh. I just noticed that everyone's avatar in thier personal profiles is just a green football, not the avatar next to their nicname on the comments.
Anyone know what's up with that?!

344 wolfie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:33:00pm

re: #339 realwest

Are you going to have to go in early and do tests tomorrow or is this just going to be a big conference to decide what to do? (Are they going to torture you or talk to you?)

345 realwest  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:33:02pm

re: #340 Sol Roth Hi Sol, I'm doing pretty good, thanks, how's about yourself?

346 ggt  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:33:14pm

re: #321 Sarge1984

re: #317 ggt

Weet Dreams, n, a LGFism originated by beachkatie on 4/28/08, originally a keyboard slip. Has been used to indicate a thought that is a combination of "sweet dreams" and "in your wet dreams". i.e., John Bolton as Secretary of State.Who's in charge of updating the LGF Dictionary?"

You could always report me. Speaking of which, I don't think I've lobby'd for the "Book" Category in the linkys this weekend.

JHW post in the linkys is an excellent example of a BOOK post that could result in excellent discussion. Not only is a good place to discuss the books who's authors are currently on the circuit, but it can highlight books that might not ever be carried in our big box bookstores and not come to our attention.

347 WINDHORSE  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:34:04pm

re: Lest anyone forget.....

FUCK YOU NANCY PELOSI.

(and THANK YOU Israel!)

348 wolfie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:34:12pm

re: #343 realwest

Huh. I just noticed that everyone's avatar in thier personal profiles is just a green football, not the avatar next to their nicname on the comments.
Anyone know what's up with that?!

That's been happening to at least a few of us. Me for one, but a couple of others have noticed it.

349 Racer X  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:34:16pm

re: #343 realwest

Hi realwest!

Yep - I see that too. Re-loaded and everything. Still there.

350 JeremyR  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:34:22pm

re: #333 Lyric

Hi Israel,

Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

I'm a Christian... but I'm a warrior... and I will fight for you when you need me.

Zion stands by hills surrounded,
Zion kept by power divine;
All her foes shall be confounded
Tho' the world in arms combine.
Happy Zion, what a favored lot is thine.

351 Yankee Division Son  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:35:25pm

re: #343 realwest

Ahh! You're right! "LittleGreenFootballs at Badweis" just doesn't cut it...

352 bosforus  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:35:34pm

OT
Picked up a great 50 pack of classic horror movies this evening. The Killer Shrews. Attack of the Giant Leeches. Nosferatu. Good stuff.

353 Rancher  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:35:37pm

re: #325 MandyManners

I'm just saying that his perspective is as kooky as his god.


Yep. Scary. Country boy will survive. Planting has already begun on my Victory Garden.

354 Cartman  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:35:54pm

The profile avatars have gone to bed. They are having weet dreams.

355 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:36:12pm

re: #343 realwest

Huh. I just noticed that everyone's avatar in thier personal profiles is just a green football, not the avatar next to their nicname on the comments.
Anyone know what's up with that?!

Reload RW! Reload, fast...before it's too late!

356 JeremyR  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:36:18pm

re: #347 WINDHORSE

re: Lest anyone forget.....

FUCK YOU NANCY P LOUSY.

(and THANK YOU Israel!)

corrected it for ya.

357 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:36:34pm
358 cookielady  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:36:44pm

re: #352 bosforus

OT
Picked up a great 50 pack of classic horror movies this evening. The Killer Shrews. Attack of the Giant Leeches. Nosferatu. Good stuff.

I just put the leech one on my list at netflix... it's the Mystery Science Theater 3000 version, though.

359 Thanos  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:37:04pm

Toda raba Yisrael, Hazak Ve'ematz!

360 realwest  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:37:19pm

re: #344 wolfie "Are they going to torture you or talk to you?" Well I went to the Cancer Clinic Panel last Thursday where - surprise, surprise the three "experts" or "specialists" couldn't decide specifically on what additional tests I should take or have or what different treatment "modality" I may have to go on. So tomorrow I'm gonna see MY oncologist and we're going to discuss the panel's findings.
It will be very, very interesting - and would actually be intellectually enjoyable if we weren't talking about my cancer!

361 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:37:22pm

The only ones I see with green footballs are wolfie and ggt.

362 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:37:42pm

re: #358 cookielady

I just put the leech one on my list at netflix... it's the Mystery Science Theater 3000 version, though.

That is a plus, my dear.

WE GOT MOVIE SIGN!

363 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:37:45pm

re: #359 Thanos

Did you see the Rome mayoral results?

364 bosforus  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:37:51pm

re: #357 buzzsawmonkey

The original Nosferatu, or the Kinski remake? The original silent is crude, but has real power.

1922 original. Creepy.

365 ggt  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:37:55pm

re: #361 DesertSage

As it should be.

366 LeePro  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:38:52pm

re: #268 Last Mohican

You think? I'm thinking that Iran already has a country full of centrifuges spinning at full speed, and nobody is going to do a damned thing about it, because an attack on Iran would open a big can of worms. On the other hand, Israel kicks Syria's ass a little bit every few years, and it's never really a big deal.

I'm thinking, if I were Iran and wanted to put a nuclear reactor somewhere, it'd be much safer in my own country than in Syria.

I could be wrong, but aren't there several different "phases" and components involved in producing a nuclear weapon? And cannot all these phases and components be produced separately from each other until such time as they are "combined" into a weapon?

And the bombing site in Syria... wasn't it referred to as a nuclear "facility," and not a nuclear reactor? Couldn't it therefore have been only one component in the production process? With another in, say, Pakistan, and another in, say, Iran?

Wasn't that how we did it? Part in Oak Ridge, part somewhere in Nevada, and maybe another part somewhere else?

Of course, not being a nuclear physicist myself, I'm probably not explaining this very well... but maybe I'm on the right track?

367 beachkatie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:38:58pm

re: #354 Cartman

The profile avatars have gone to bed. They are having weet dreams.


Thanks cartman! Sweetdreams To ya!

368 Thanos  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:39:06pm

re: #363 Sharmuta

No but I will go check now...

369 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:39:11pm

re: #361 DesertSage

The only ones I see with green footballs are wolfie and ggt.

In the profile. Click an avatar- any avatar of non-football orientation.

370 Racer X  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:39:33pm

re: #361 DesertSage

The only ones I see with green footballs are wolfie and ggt.

Click your own Sage.

371 realwest  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:39:34pm

re: #349 Racer X Hey hi there! Has anyone asked Charles about it? I seem to recall it started with someone who's avatar was too small or something when you looked at their profile, but nothing much after that.

372 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:40:01pm

re: #368 Thanos

It's interesting.

373 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:40:04pm

re: #285 Sarge1984

This year hasn't been all that bad, actually. Though my area was below reasonable levels, the rain and ice/snow pack was better this winter than those of recent past. This is good for the local farmers, and if it's good for them then it's good for me.

/I've a one track mind, I'm all about the food.

374 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:40:14pm

re: #368 Thanos

Here:

Mr Alemanno campaigned on the ticket of a tough approach on crime, after a series of attacks blamed on immigrants.

He promised to put more police on the streets of the city and to expel thousands of Roma travellers living in illegal settlements around the city.

The conservative wears a Celtic cross, the symbol of the far right, around his neck.

375 realwest  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:40:15pm

re: #370 Racer X And yours is a green football, too!

376 wolfie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:40:40pm

re: #361 DesertSage

The only ones I see with green footballs are wolfie and ggt.

My avatar is a little lady wolf hiding behind a green football.
Do you see that?

377 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:40:57pm

re: #371 realwest

someone who's avatar was too small

Wasn't me! My avatar is just as big as any other guy's, I swear!

378 bosforus  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:41:23pm

re: #358 cookielady

I just put the leech one on my list at netflix... it's the Mystery Science Theater 3000 version, though.

Haven't seen the MST version of that one yet. I wish MST was cheaper, I'd buy it. If I have to pay more than $2.00 for my b-movies I don't buy it. Today I got 50 movies for 20 bucks. Some were duplicates that I already have but I think I still came out paying less than 1.00 for each.

379 Racer X  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:41:28pm

Lakers 56
Nuggets 50

Halftime

380 Thanos  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:41:30pm

re: #372 Killgore Trout

Maybe with the merge they will be forced to moderate. I suspect so, or their tenure will probably go short lived.

381 Sol Roth  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:41:45pm

re: #345 realwest

Doin' great, but I wouldn't say much otherwise unless I was in REAL pain and then I probably couldn't muster the courage like you have to post. My health is good, I eat well and get as much exercise and sleep as I need.

I just wanted to let you know I think of you and your cancer fight often. I'm a survivor as you know, and today I was remembering some of the horrible thoughts I went through during that time.

It ain't easy. You have guts, lots of guts.

382 Yankee Division Son  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:41:45pm

re: #369 Sharmuta

In the profile. Click an avatar- any avatar of non-football orientation.

I just logged out and back in to see if it would clear.. all still footballs..

383 ggt  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:41:49pm

Another thought on my current passion, the BOOK category.

I don't know about you, but my monthy conspiracy checks have been pretty light lately --well, actually, non-existant. If Charles were to add a BOOK category to the linkys and suggest, or we could try to remember, we linked the title of the book thru the LGF Amazon button, it could result in a little revenue --if readers decided to buy the book . . .

This result might be some heavier checks.

384 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:42:14pm

re: #372 Killgore Trout

I'm sure the celtic cross just means he really like Irish people.

/

385 realwest  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:42:32pm

re: #355 DesertSage Well I followed your advice and refreshed the page and my avatar on my personal profile is a green football - so is yours!

386 Racer X  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:42:34pm

re: #377 Occasional Reader

Wasn't me! My avatar is just as big as any other guy's, I swear!

You, uh, just get out of the pool?

387 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:42:34pm

re: #370 Racer X

Click your own Sage.

Aaack, mine is a green football also.

388 Maine's Michael  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:42:39pm

Bush is far more significant a betrayer of Israel than Rice is.

Rice works for Bush, and is, in the overall scheme, a functionary, carrying out the Baker/Carlyle policies as filtered thru the mind of Bush.

Bush's one chance to redeem himself for the history books is by neutralizing Iran.

So far, he will leave the stage having shrunk the potential of no nation other than Israel.

Far easier to impose your will upon the (too) eager to please Israelis than upon Egypt, Iran, KSA, or even Iraq.

It's to be expected, I guess, of a man who fought the War on Bullets, Explosives, and Other Dangerous Devices with an eye on the Arab Street rather than the American Street.

The 'Surge', which may or may not succeed, came late. Perhaps too late to succeed, and too late to ensure a Republican win this November.

So we are all hanging on, with bated breath, to see what happens, whether we can defeat a bunch of thugs still squatting in the sand wiping their butts with their fingers, and bring a modicum of stability to the heart of the arab middle east - while keeping the Sauds happy with our rules of engagement.

389 Thanos  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:42:52pm

re: #374 Sharmuta

Here:

yep, I read. It's not the best news tonight. With the merger one can hope they will throw over the old ways, but I'm usually over-optimistic.

390 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:43:38pm

re: #380 Thanos

Maybe with the merge they will be forced to moderate. I suspect so, or their tenure will probably go short lived.

IIRC Italian politics is very unstable, they dissolve governments and impeach people on a pretty regular basis. There's a good chance this guy won't last long anyways.

391 ggt  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:44:05pm

re: #383 ggt

someone report my 383 above.

392 beachkatie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:44:07pm

re: #385 realwest

Well I followed your advice and refreshed the page and my avatar on my personal profile is a green football - so is yours!

Realwest ,i see you on a horse!

393 LeePro  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:44:24pm

re: #272 Maine's Michael

My take on the USA's Israel policy.

Some may not like to hear it, but as a hypothesis, it explains reality better than analyses proposed by others.

Please, someone, prove it wrong.

I am afraid that it is true.

'We need you to bleed, and, more importantly, to be seen to bleed, by the Arab world. We will shrink you down, over time, and in return for Arab acquiescence to our needs and machinations in the wider middle east, to the smallest size sustainable by the best military technology and diplomatic invention. When the technology improves, we can and will shrink you down further. This will continue until our needs in the middle east are fulfilled. You cannot refuse. By refusing, you will lose the American veto in the UN Security Council. This will subject you crippling sanctions. You will also lose access to critical military spare parts you must have, and you will lose assurance of resupply in the event of war with your neighbors. '

Whoa! What are you quoting there? Can you give us a link? ...for posterity.

394 BGOH  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:44:30pm

OT - Lizards, I need your help! I read over several of Jeremiah Wright's whole sermons a couple of days ago on some MSM sites, but they seem to have disappeared. Does anyone have any links to them that you could pass along to me? I would certainly appreciate it.

395 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:44:34pm

re: #376 wolfie

My avatar is a little lady wolf hiding behind a green football.
Do you see that?

Your avatar will be easy to find, there are wolfie's all over the internet.

I found an avatar for ggt also....ggt

396 ggt  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:45:54pm

re: #384 Sharmuta

A lot of the yoga-wiccan wannabe types wear Celtic Crosses. It is also identified with the Goddess --or female aspect of G-d. They sell them everywhere there is artsy stuff.

397 WindHorse  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:45:56pm

Syria 0
Nancy Pelosi 0

398 realwest  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:45:58pm

re: #377 Occasional Reader ROFL! Hey O.R.! Um, how do you know your avatar is as big as any other guys, hmm?

399 Thanos  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:46:08pm

re: #394 BGOH

OT - Lizards, I need your help! I read over several of Jeremiah Wright's whole sermons a couple of days ago on some MSM sites, but they seem to have disappeared. Does anyone have any links to them that you could pass along to me? I would certainly appreciate it.

I think Hugh Hewitt had them up in a post the other day, too lazy right now to dig for you though, hope you don't mind :)

400 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:46:21pm

re: #389 Thanos

Well- it sounds like the party has moderated, but this guy's wearing a "celtic" cross? Hard to put a positive spin on that, at least for me.

401 Lyric  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:47:00pm

re: #350 JeremyR

Zion stands by hills surrounded,
Zion kept by power divine;
All her foes shall be confounded
Tho' the world in arms combine.
Happy Zion, what a favored lot is thine.

ah, cripes Jeremy... I know I've had a couple of drinks tonight, but you just brought a tear to my eye. Hope springs eternal... May God hold us all in the palms of his hands in these next few years.

402 Thanos  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:47:07pm

re: #400 Sharmuta

Well- it sounds like the party has moderated, but this guy's wearing a "celtic" cross? Hard to put a positive spin on that, at least for me.

/agree

403 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:47:11pm

re: #396 ggt

I'm guessing it's not "celtic"- more likely it's an odin's cross getting miscalled.

404 ggt  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:47:40pm

re: #395 DesertSage

aw, that is sweet, but I chose my avatar. I really, really like it.

405 beachkatie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:48:12pm

Goodnight lizard family! Sweetdreams to you all! see you tomorrow! :)

406 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:48:22pm

Here's another avatar for you, ggt

407 wolfie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:48:34pm

re: #360 realwest

Well, at least it won't be one of those all-day poke, prick, and prod things.
I sure hope your doc can come up with a plan.
You'll have lots of lizards thinking of you tomorrow.
(Don't tell the doc that or he'll send you to the psych ward!)

408 cookielady  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:48:41pm

re: #393 LeePro

He has said before that he is quoting himself, and has many times. He just likes this particular analysis that he wrote once and just re-posts it on occasion.

409 realwest  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:48:50pm

re: #381 Sol Roth Well first of all, I'm not so sure I have "guts" - I'm a lot more nervous than I let on. Secondly I figure if I post what I can about my situation, maybe it'll be helpful to others and thirdly, NO I didn't know you were a cancer survivor - good on you! Do you mind if I ask what kind and how they treated it?
(y'all can e-mail me if you'd rather - my nic is in blue).

410 LeePro  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:49:00pm

re: #278 cheeseland

CBS News "journalist" Richard Butler was kidnapped in Basra, and held for two months. He does not know who kidnapped him, but thinks they might have had Iranian/Hesbollah leanings since they played Hezbollah videos and Hezbollah ringtones on mobile phones.

Butler said he felt it was better to be kidnapped in Iraq then taken into custody by Americans in Afghanistan.

"I was pleased I wasn't being mortarboarded in Guantanamo or being held for six and a half years like an Al-Jazeera cameraman, for instance," he said.

Lucky guy.

OMG! ! !
He really said that! He was pleased that he "wasn't being mortarboarded in Guantanamo..."

411 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:49:01pm

re: #405 beachkatie

Goodnight lizard family! Sweetdreams to you all! see you tomorrow! :)

weet dreams katie!

412 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:49:16pm

re: #398 realwest

ROFL! Hey O.R.! Um, how do you know your avatar is as big as any other guys, hmm?

Oh, you know, the gym locker room... I MEAN NOT THAT I LOOK...

413 jaunte  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:49:22pm

re: #390 Killgore Trout
Here's a small man-on-the-street report from last year on some forza nuova fascists, with a mention of the celtic cross at the end.
[Link: www.jroller.com...]

414 nyc redneck  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:49:27pm

re: #405 beachkatie

good night {beachkatie}. i'm gone myself.

415 ggt  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:49:53pm

re: #403 Sharmuta

Yeah, I wondered, but the Norse Mythology stuff is all over also. A lot of people are attracted to the art and the mythic nature of the pagan faiths. I'm not sure I'd take the Odin cross alone as proof --I'd have to see other symbols or words to know.

416 beachkatie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:50:18pm

re: #409 realwest

Well first of all, I'm not so sure I have "guts" - I'm a lot more nervous than I let on. Secondly I figure if I post what I can about my situation, maybe it'll be helpful to others and thirdly, NO I didn't know you were a cancer survivor - good on you! Do you mind if I ask what kind and how they treated it?
(y'all can e-mail me if you'd rather - my nic is in blue).


My prayers are with you realwest!

417 realwest  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:50:22pm

re: #383 ggt Just so's you'll know, I reported that one, too - maybe Charles will see some merit in it?!

418 NY Nana  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:50:23pm

re: #281 bosforus

It's sad that Israel is motivated by its own self preservation. I'm not knocking Israel, of course, I'm just saying that it knows how to look after its own butt, seeing as how it has to.

/Yes, they are very motivated by self-preservation...to help the world....one tiny country that has been under seige since dot.

A major precept of Judaisim: "To save one life is as if you have saved the world" , from the Talmud.

How Israel destroyed Iraq's nuclear reactor (built by the French) in 1981 ...scroll down to the .swf

Israel, the neighborhood bully...

419 cookielady  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:50:29pm

re: #405 beachkatie

Good night, beachkatie. Sleep well and wake refreshed!

420 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:50:35pm

Okay, I'm gonna call it a night.

"It's a night"

Ciao bellos/bellas

421 Maine's Michael  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:51:11pm

Realwest,

Good luck tomorrow.

While I am just an anonymous guy on a message board, my wishes and prayers are real.

422 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:51:50pm

Watching Nightline. They just did some story in the UK, about men possibly disappearing in the future. They profiled some lesbian couple (one Brit, one American), and their little girl. Their take was, what does society need men for? Man, the UK is one fucked up country. Hope they enjoy their dhimmitude.

423 ggt  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:51:50pm

re: #417 realwest

MWAH!

424 beachkatie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:51:54pm

re: #411 DesertSage

weet dreams katie!


Thankyou very much! :)

425 HelloDare  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:52:03pm

re: #379 Racer X

Lakers 56
Nuggets 50

Halftime

Nope. 64 to 54.

426 NY Nana  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:52:36pm

re: #354 Cartman

The profile avatars have gone to bed. They are having weet dreams.

Wise guy! I can see all of them that are avatars...even yours! ;)

427 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:52:37pm

re: #415 ggt

Sorry, but when you mix an odin's cross with a neo-fascist, were no longer talking Norse mythology. The euro-fascists have hijacked it- please see LGF archives for more information.

428 beachkatie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:52:37pm

re: #419 cookielady

Good night, beachkatie. Sleep well and wake refreshed!


YOU to cookie lady!

429 cookielady  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:53:26pm

re: #422 Ward Cleaver

Watching Nightline. They just did some story in the UK, about men possibly disappearing in the future. They profiled some lesbian couple (one Brit, one American), and their little girl. Their take was, what does society need men for? Man, the UK is one fucked up country. Hope they enjoy their dhimmitude.

They ain't takin' mine away! Society definitely could use MORE men, if they were all like my man. So there!

430 realwest  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:53:28pm

re: #392 beachkatie When you click on my avatar and my personal profile comes up, do y'all see me on horseback? I'm still seeing just a green football when I click on it!

431 Yankee Division Son  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:53:38pm

I just reported realwest's comment about the profile avatars to Charles. Which made me wish the report function had a small comment box to explain why a comment was reported.. (feel kinda funny reporting RW for a website bug)

432 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:53:42pm

Thank you, Israel!

433 NY Nana  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:54:00pm

re: #422 Ward Cleaver

Watching it also, but am going to change it to Leno...enough Wright to last 2 lifetimes. Feh.

434 profitsbeard  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:54:34pm

Reality sometimes intrudes on the pipedreams of the p.c.

And blows nuclear reactors off the face of the Earth.

Good hunting IAF (and all coverts supplying intel) !

435 bosforus  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:54:36pm

re: #418 NY Nana

Nice. A good flash game could be made out of that.

436 mikeymom  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:54:37pm

re: #360 realwest

prayers for you real

437 Ma Sands  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:54:56pm

re: #421 Maine's Michael

Saw your message to real, on the front page drop-down.....what's happening with him?

--oh, I guess I oughta go look....

Hmmmm....not finding it.....what's up? ):

438 DesertSage  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:55:06pm

re: #431 Yankee Division Son

Ahh, hell...I report realwest all the time just for shits and giggles.

439 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:55:23pm

re: #396 ggt

The guys a Nazi with a rap sheet of racial violence. He's no pagan.

440 realwest  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:55:27pm

re: #405 beachkatie Hey, goodnight {beachkatie} Weet dreams to you!

441 wolfie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:55:38pm

re: #403 Sharmuta

I'm guessing it's not "celtic"- more likely it's an odin's cross getting miscalled.

I hate people using the cross like that.
Taking the name (symbol) of the Lord in vain?

442 ggt  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:55:42pm

re: #427 Sharmuta

I know that. What I am saying is that many, many people don't. They see a pretty pendent in the shape of a cross in a gift shop and buy it for someone as a gift or wear it themselves.

I can't take the cross alone as proof. If it was on a t-shirt with the other symbols or words that indicated white-supremecy or there was other information --i.e the people the wearer associates with, literature he reads, pamphlets, speeches . . . .

443 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:56:12pm

re: #439 Killgore Trout

The guys a Nazi with a rap sheet of racial violence. He's no pagan.

What's with the sugar coating? ;)

444 wolfie  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:56:14pm

re: #405 beachkatie

Goodnight lizard family! Sweetdreams to you all! see you tomorrow! :)

WEET dreams! :D

445 cookielady  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:56:18pm

Well, time for bed now. Don't want to oversleep and miss the bridge implosion tomorrow.

Bridge fall down, go boom! :0D

446 LeePro  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:56:24pm

re: #319 Yankee Division Son

This certainly answers a few questions in my mind, what target was important enough for Israel (or the US, for that matter) to hit it, and more importantly perhaps, why Syria was so quiet about it.

Achems razor...

I was going to correct you (Occam's razor)...

    but then I realized that wasn't a typo!

;)

447 ggt  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:56:55pm

re: #439 Killgore Trout

ah, see, I didn't realize that.

thanks.

448 realwest  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:57:11pm

re: #412 Occasional Reader LOL! Well if you don't LOOK, how do you KNOW?!
;')

449 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:57:14pm

Mt second cello arrived from London today without damage. I was really worried about this one, it's very expensive. I can finally sleep easy tonight.

450 Ma Sands  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:57:15pm

re: #431 Yankee Division Son

Don't feel funny --that's one of the reasons it is there......I reported tfk today, because of an awesome offer he made to Charles & I didn't want any chance Charles might miss it..... :)

451 solomonpanting  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:57:17pm

The Economy
The War in Iraq
National Security
Taxes

What do the above have in common? McCain is trusted more than either Hillary or Obama on every issue. And the economy is supposedly the number one issue. Israel issued a setback to Syria's nuclear ambitions. I'd watch out for Denver's impending nuclear conflagration.

452 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:57:18pm

re: #442 ggt

He is a former youth leader of the neo-fascist Italian Social Movement, the MSI, and is married to Isabella Rauti, the daughter of Pino Rauti, a leading figure on the far right.

I don't think he's a ignorant trinket buyer.