I'm still sleepy

Repost:

Here's a great article from Thomas Sowell explaining why Obama doesn't deserve the nod. Very interesting read: [Link: [Link: www.townhall.com...]...]

Essentially: Are we wanting a black president so bad that we are willing to accept one as awful as Barack Obama?

Terrific.

The link from above: [Link: www.townhall.com...]

They didn't get Moonbat swarmed?

Wow.

With no disruptions. Police presence works.

re: #1 macintush

I'm still sleepy

I'm not anymore.

Wow. On utopian campus - I thought free speech was a one way street for uber-dork-progressive marxo-fascist military hating anti-capitalist know-it-alls.

Isn't there a Muslim Student Association to shout them down and threaten them?

re: #7 Sharmuta

With no disruptions. Police presence works.

A shame they needed the police, though.

Well documented, photographically, sez I

Damn! I was hoping to see pics of moonbat heads exploding.

They must've heard that VDH is a democrat....

Why should free speech on the campus that started the free speech movement be such a surprise?

Oh I forgot, they are Gramscian Whores, Freedom for CORRECT Speech.

Sleepy time thread? What #1 said.

re: #11 Kosh's Shadow

A shame they needed the police, though.

No doubt. What is supposed to be our bastions of free and independent thought is in reality just a continuation of the indoctrination centers we call public education. Sadly- these kids created the need for these officers to be posted at this discussion, yet will turn around and cry about the fascist police state tactics used to quite their freedom of speech- all the while blind to the fact they were the ones trying to deny the free expression of others' ideas. Maddening.

Oh, hey, thanks for the link. Always appreciated.

It's always odd to cover an event where it's notable for what didn't happen - the whole audience was nervous the whole time - many had been there last time, and having 7-8 cops scanning the audience at all times is rather odd.

I do believe there will be a little zomblog update at some point, so people may want to look for that as well.

Was anyone else getting hamsterism? I couldn't get into any threads for the last few minutes.

OTre: #20 taxfreekiller

Useful other operation Chaos works and deeds.

Donations to the mad dog anti war ones, the earth firsters, the
Code Pinks, the Sidnyshesahand ones, the bring it all down former
Jane Fonda ones, the old toothless SDS ones, any and all,

Donations for bus, plane, train, gas, rental vans, any way to get
as many loons to Denver as possible.

Its the least we can do.

OT

I donate to get zombie and Protestshooter to the convention.

re: #19 Occasional Reader

Not because of LGF. Word 2007 is unstable, and de-stabilizing everything else that's open.

I had to completely shut down to get everything back under control.

Very annoying.

OT

Zimbabwe Election saga continues.

Zimbabwe opposition leader wins vote:

HARARE (Reuters) - Opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai beat Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe's presidential election, winning 47 percent of the vote against the president's 43 percent, senior government sources said on Wednesday.

One source, declining to be named like the others, told Reuters a run-off would be needed because Tsvangirai did not win enough votes for an outright victory.

[snip]

If Tsvangirai refused to take part in a run-off, Mugabe would be declared the winner, according to election rules.

re: #22 Dianna

Word 2007 is unstable, and de-stabilizing everything else that's open.

HEY LANCE! DIANNA'S DISSING MICROSOFT! SIC 'ER!

:P

re: #19 Occasional Reader

Was anyone else getting hamsterism? I couldn't get into any threads for the last few minutes.

No problems from this end...

ChristheProfessor -

are you out there?

re: #25 Charles

No problems from this end...

I had a couple fail to load this morning. But the backbone I'm on is overloaded.

Zombie assigned me to take photos, but there wasn't a whole lot worth photographing. No signs, no demonstrations, no drama, just an orderly, informative event. Nothing all that new in terms of the information but it was good to see it presented and discussed in this format. I've been a fan of VDH for 5-6 years now and I was glad to finally see him live.

I was there for the discussion and the beginning of the Q&A session. I was also there in 2004 for Daniel Pipes' lecture. Was very pleasantly surprised that there were no protestors or disrupters.

re: #25 Charles

re: #19 Occasional Reader

Was anyone else getting hamsterism? I couldn't get into any threads for the last few minutes.

No problems from this end...

You WOULD say that. Cui bono? Follow the money!

re: #24 Occasional Reader

Run away! Run away!

re: #25 Charles

No problems from this end...

Had a slight hold-up here, but attributed it to my workstation being a little busy.

re: #20 taxfreekiller

Useful other operation Chaos works and deeds.

Donations to the mad dog anti war ones, the earth firsters, the
Code Pinks, the Sidnyshesahand ones, the bring it all down former
Jane Fonda ones, the old toothless SDS ones, any and all,

Donations for bus, plane, train, gas, rental vans, any way to get
as many loons to Denver as possible.

Its the least we can do.

How about picking up hitchhikers, and doing your best Hunter Thompson imitation.

Bats! Big hairy bats!

I was surprised that there weren't more people attending. I would guess about 100-150 in the audience. Many fewer than the 2004 event.

It is sand the the "birth place of free speech" requires Police, metal detectors, K9's, etc so people can speak freely without liberals trying to silence them.

re: #28 neocon hippie

I was very, very impressed with VDH. Amazing man. We need more like him.

That's a lot of security for 3 speakers.
Excellent job, Protest Shooter!

Oh for Pete's Sake.......

Jimi Hendrix sex tape to be releasedL

OS ANGELES -- Vivid Entertainment is releasing a sex tape allegedly starring Jimi Hendrix. The Los Angeles-based adult entertainment company said they obtained the footage of the music legend shot in a hotel room about 40 years ago from a memorabilia collector.

The the guy alone already.

re: #34 aunursa

I don't think it was very well publicized, which probably makes sense given what happened last time. But a real shame more people didn't get to hear it - it was interesting.

Free speech tolerated by the left!

/when they have no choice because the freedom is enforced by police, police dogs, metal detectors, and otherwise 800 precautions to keep them from killing, maiming, or just plain disrupting the speakers.

re: #38 JCM

Oh for Pete's Sake.......

Jimi Hendrix sex tape to be releasedL

The the guy alone already.

PIMF
Leave the guy...

Venezuelan ex-general sentenced in 2003 bombings

CARACAS, Venezuela - A dissident former general has been sentenced to more than 10 years in prison for bombing attacks on Spanish and Colombian diplomatic missions in Venezuela's capital.

[...]

Venezuelan officials said at the time that the bombings were meant to destabilize the government of President Hugo Chavez, who shortly beforehand had warned Spain and Colombia not to interfere in Venezuelan affairs.

[Gen.] Rodriguez, also known by his nickname "The Crow," was among military officers who rose up against President Hugo Chavez in a short-lived 2002 coup.

Hm. Don't know what to believe here.

re: #37 NoSubmission

Thanks!

The security was pretty intense. I didn't try to get an exact count, and I saw a couple of higher ranking UC police drop by just to kind of check in - I think a good percentage of the department was there.

IMHO, Operation Chaos is a wonderful, extended piece of Theater. It appears to be a brilliantly conceived publicity stunt on the part of Mr. Limbaugh. And it works on so many levels, too.

Who says that Conservative Activists can't play Theater Games and do Improv?

re: #40 Silhouette

Free speech tolerated by the left!

/when they have no choice because the freedom is enforced by police, police dogs, metal detectors, and otherwise 800 precautions to keep them from killing, maiming, or just plain disrupting the speakers.

And then they say we live in a police state.

re: #42 Occasional Reader

Venezuelan ex-general sentenced in 2003 bombings

Hm. Don't know what to believe here.

Dissents are normally the rational people in marxist regimes.

My favorite line was when Pipes began his reply to a question about what should the West's response to totalitarian Islam ... with, "Unlike Jimmy Carter, I do not support meeting with the terrorists."

re: #41 JCM

PIMF
Leave the guy...

Is he still around?

re: #43 protestshooter

Thanks!

The security was pretty intense. I didn't try to get an exact count, and I saw a couple of higher ranking UC police drop by just to kind of check in - I think a good percentage of the department was there.

I would have loved to have been there.

Tomorrow is May Day. I think the 'festivities' a Union Square Park should be heating up.../camera ready.

re: #48 debutaunt

Is he still around?

No, but at least let him lie in peace.

re: #49 NoSubmission

Yep, I'll cover at least some May Day stuff - we have several events around the area - and I was hoping you and Ringo would cover your geographic areas as well.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The Federal Reserve cut its key interest rate by a quarter percentage point Wednesday, but the central bank's statement signaled it may be the last rate cut for at least a while.

re: #51 protestshooter

Yep, I'll cover at least some May Day stuff - we have several events around the area - and I was hoping you and Ringo would cover your geographic areas as well.

Yep. I'll be there. Last year was crazy!

I saw Pipes and Yaron Brook speak at UCLA about a year ago they were repeatedly disrupted.

Nice to see that they were able speak this time, and at Berkeley no less!

Nice job Protest Shooter.

re: #40 Silhouette

Free speech tolerated by the left!

/when they have no choice because the freedom is enforced by police, police dogs, metal detectors, and otherwise 800 precautions to keep them from killing, maiming, or just plain disrupting the speakers.

They must believe the average person is easy to coerce - why confuse them with opposing viewpoints?

I have to head out - thanks again for the link and the nice comments. If anybody has any questions and if somebody else who was there can't answer them I'll pop in later and see what I can do!

The MSM is cruel, heartless and sick.

BOISE, Idaho (AP) - Federal prosecutors have requested that the sentencing hearing for confessed child killer Joseph Duncan be closed to the public during testimony from one of his young victims, Shasta Groene, to protect her from emotional harm.

Prosecutors, who filed the motion Tuesday in U.S. District Court here, also are asking that the courtroom be closed while the jury is shown a graphic videotape Duncan made that prosecutors say shows him sexually abusing the then 8-year-old girl and her 9-year-old brother, Dylan. Duncan eventually shot and killed the boy with a sawed-off shotgun at a wilderness campsite in Montana.

[snip]

The motion was filed in response to a legal memorandum filed earlier this month by 16 media and open-government organizations, The Spokesman-Review newspaper of Spokane, Wash., reported.

The group has told U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge that the public has a constitutional right to be present in the courtroom.

re: #51 protestshooter

Yep, I'll cover at least some May Day stuff - we have several events around the area - and I was hoping you and Ringo would cover your geographic areas as well.

They're expecting ,more than 10,000 people to march from MacArthur Park to LA City Hall tomorrow.

I'll be there.

re: #5 taxfreekiller

Now, if we could get Jummy Crater to endorse Obama, a three some.

He sort of already has in a left handed way.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

I find it amusing to see Carter posturing about the role of super delegates and how they must follow "the will of the people" when in fact, super delegates were instituted to keep another "Carter" from becoming the nominee.

OT: Plutonium on the Euphrates -- II

We finally know what Israel bombed in the Syrian desert on September 6 last year, and it isn't pretty. After seven months of silence, the Bush Administration confirmed last week that the target was a nuclear reactor being built with the aid of North Korea.

The prospect of nuclear technology in the hands of another terrorism-sponsoring state is scary enough. Worse is the notion that Syria's reactor is no big deal. That's the interpretation being shopped in Washington by anonymous Administration officials, presumably at State, who have been quoted as saying the CIA has "little confidence" that the goal was to build a bomb.

Because, ya know, secret plutonium nuclear reactors built buy North Koreans are usually used only to heat incubators for kitten farms.

ARGH!

re: #58 Ringo the Gringo

They're expecting ,more than 10,000 people to march from MacArthur Park to LA City Hall tomorrow.

I'll be there.

Can't wait to see your report, ringo! :)

re: #43 protestshooter

The security was pretty intense. I didn't try to get an exact count, and I saw a couple of higher ranking UC police drop by just to kind of check in - I think a good percentage of the department was there.

It says a lot about leftists and their supposed love for free speech that tight security is needed when a conservative is invited to exercise that same right.

re: #59 Wendya

He sort of already has in a left handed way.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

I find it amusing to see Carter posturing about the role of super delegates and how they must follow "the will of the people" when in fact, super delegates were instituted to keep another "Carter" from becoming the nominee.

And when the "Will of the people" was to toss Carter out of public office in the most lop-sided election in memory.

/Since when is the "will of the people" applicable to the (so-called) "Democratic" party anyway?

there is something so wrong when we have to have cops and dogs to protect the right of these learned men to speak.
savages shouldn't be able to piss on the 1st. amendment in our own country, while they spew freely.

re: #43 protestshooter

Thanks!

The security was pretty intense. I didn't try to get an exact count, and I saw a couple of higher ranking UC police drop by just to kind of check in - I think a good percentage of the department was there.

It kinda makes the point, that 'Freedom isn't Free'.

re: #61 NoSubmission

hey no sub, what time does the party start at union sq.

re: #66 taxfreekiller

I'm hoping for a bubble burst, when all the investors feel the need to buy food, warm clothing, and wood to burn when the cold snap sets in.

TO: Charles Johnson
RE: Did They....

....[Hanson and Pipes] mention the G-word?

Regards,

Chuck(le)

re: #66 taxfreekiller

On investment fraud.

Al Gore, 463 million "environmental" investment fund.

Now if the global warming is just bull shit and fraud, is his total
prospectus just a huge scheme to defraud investors.

Just saying,

[Link: www.timberlinelodge.com...]

Unless he is selling "snow cones", his deal is crapola.

I hate getting snowed in there with Jack.....

re: #67 nyc redneck

hey no sub, what time does the party start at union sq.

The unwashed masses are assembling at 4pm. I'll be there around 5 ish. It might rain... but I'll see what I can accomplish.

Conservatives think Liberals are wrong. Liberals think Conservatives are pure evil. Anything a Conservative says is considered evil "hate speech", which doesn't deserve to be "free" and must be righteously silenced.

re: #62 Wendya

It says a lot about leftists and their supposed love for free speech that tight security is needed when a conservative is invited to exercise that same right.

re: #71 NoSubmission

The unwashed masses are assembling at 4pm. I'll be there around 5 ish. It might rain... but I'll see what I can accomplish.

Unwashed masses... rain...
Bring soap!

OT

There must have been some real interfaith dialog going on among these four.

re: #21 JCM

Denver this August could be a heck of a time for a bunch of lizards who want to document the riots festivities. I've given it some thought myself (it's only a 13-14 hour drive one-way).

re: #51 protestshooter

They'll be doing the same in Chicago as well tomorrow. Supposed to start like Noon or 1pm.

re: #75 Honorary Yooper

They'll be doing the same in Chicago as well tomorrow. Supposed to start like Noon or 1pm.

At noon? Don't these people work?

re: #76 NoSubmission

At noon? Don't these people work?

No idea. Too bad INS couldn't be there. I'll bet at least half of the crowd is communist illegal aliens.

re: #71 NoSubmission

The unwashed masses are assembling at 4pm. I'll be there around 5 ish. It might rain... but I'll see what I can accomplish.

i'll try to get over there a little later in the evening. hope to see you.
and be careful, these are freaks.

re: #75 Honorary Yooper

Denver this August could be a heck of a time for a bunch of lizards who want to document the riots festivities. I've given it some thought myself (it's only a 13-14 hour drive one-way).

re: #51 protestshooter

They'll be doing the same in Chicago as well tomorrow. Supposed to start like Noon or 1pm.

Since it's not possible for me, young family. I'd be willing to stroke a check to support the effort.

re: #78 nyc redneck

i'll try to get over there a little later in the evening. hope to see you.
and be careful, these are freaks.

feh! I'll take 'em with one hand tied behind my back...

TO: Pyrocles
RE: Uuuuuhhhh....

"Conservatives think Liberals are wrong. Liberals think Conservatives are pure evil. Anything a Conservative says is considered evil "hate speech", which doesn't deserve to be "free" and must be righteously silenced." -- Pyrocles

Actually....

....I've discovered, of late, there are a number of so-called 'conservative' web-sites/blogs that behave exactly the same way you accuse 'Liberals' of behaving.

After the last couple of weeks of being 'killed' or threatened with such for speaking my honestly held opinion, I'm no longer referring to myself as a 'conservative'. I'm referring to myself as a 'christian' instead.

Oddly enough, I suspect a number want to 'kill' me for that as well.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Hitler was 'politically correct' too.]

P.S. I guess it all depends on (1) power and (2) opportunity.

McCain/Hanson'08

re: #75 Honorary Yooper

Denver this August could be a heck of a time for a bunch of lizards who want to document the riots festivities. I've given it some thought myself (it's only a 13-14 hour drive one-way).

re: #51 protestshooter

They'll be doing the same in Chicago as well tomorrow. Supposed to start like Noon or 1pm.

What is going on in Chicago?

Agh.

I'm working on a report on this Pipes/Hanson event right now.

Will be done in a couple hours.

Got bogged down with the video.

Scooped again!

re: #74 Rednek

OT

There must have been some real interfaith dialog going on among these four.

What dialog? They all believed in a God of Love, and showed their (common!) belief in the words of Jesus Christ and by their actions.

"Greater love hath no man than he lay down his life for his Fellow Man"

(I hope I'm quoting it correctly, but probably not. It's the principle that counts, not the quote...)

JAFLW

re: #75 Honorary Yooper

Denver this August could be a heck of a time for a bunch of lizards who want to document the riots festivities. I've given it some thought myself (it's only a 13-14 hour drive one-way).

re: #51 protestshooter

They'll be doing the same in Chicago as well tomorrow. Supposed to start like Noon or 1pm.

Oh crap, forget it. I see now, and feel stupid.

re: #80 NoSubmission

feh! I'll take 'em with one hand tied behind my back...

oooooh, i know you will.

re: #84 zombie

Agh.

I'm working on a report on this Pipes/Hanson event right now.

Will be done in a couple hours.

Got bogged down with the video.

Scooped again!

Too late. You're yesterday's news now. Might as well quit entirely.

////////////////////////////

Recently, a demonstration was organized at the University of Toronto over student fee increases. Curiously, as the protest began, it was taken over by a group of "militants" shouting about the Zionist apartheid regime. An administration building was occupied and the office of a senior administrator (who happens to have a very Jewish sounding name) was barricaded by the protesters. In fact, the protesters attempted to enter her office, but it was locked just in time by alert staff. Staff who attempted to leave were physically attacked. Police & security were called and had to physically remove the protesters. Death threats were uttered by one of the "militants'.

re: #84 zombie

Agh.

I'm working on a report on this Pipes/Hanson event right now.

Will be done in a couple hours.

Got bogged down with the video.

Scooped again!

Ya' wass me ta take care of that Protestshooter fella' for ya'?
/Guido

re: #90 JCM

Ya' wass me ta take care of that Protestshooter fella' for ya'?
/Guido

Ma where's the god damn protein ma

re: #57 JCM

fri*&&^*%ng media
hope it is closed.

No reason for an open court except voyeurism

Thanks for the report protestshooter!

Anticipating your fine report too zombie.

re: #76 NoSubmission

no

re: #81 Chuck Pelto

[Hitler was 'politically correct' too.]

If you're so concerned about getting "killed", perhaps you shouldn't post like you have a death wish.

re: #89 Kenneth

Recently, a demonstration was organized at the University of Toronto over student fee increases. Curiously, as the protest began, it was taken over by a group of "militants" shouting about the Zionist apartheid regime. An administration building was occupied and the office of a senior administrator (who happens to have a very Jewish sounding name) was barricaded by the protesters. In fact, the protesters attempted to enter her office, but it was locked just in time by alert staff. Staff who attempted to leave were physically attacked. Police & security were called and had to physically remove the protesters. Death threats were uttered by one of the "militants'.

link?

Unfortunately it seems to me that American college students, have by and large, internalized political correctness to the extent that they avoid asking or debating controversial or unpopular questions to begin with, especially if they don't meet the demanding standards of liberal orthodoxy. They do however, listen, so that a presentation by Pipes and Hanson has great merit.

While most commentators are focused on the Reverend Wright, Barack Obama's abysmal understanding of the capital gains tax is astounding, especially given his education. He is the wrong man at the wrong time overall, Wright has done everyone a favor.

In the meantime more democratic super delegates have decided to join the Obama election death march. Nominating someone based on their color is more important than their ability to win, their weakness, or character to this ideologically besotted bunch. Expect Hillary in 2012.

You know what I could go for right now? A big ol' playlist from Charles so I have something nice to listen while I try and get as much work done this afternoon...

re: #92 Eowyn2

fri*&&^*%ng media
hope it is closed.

No reason for an open court except voyeurism

Another cute aspect to this case.

Duncan was caught with the girl, showed police where the boy's body was, and admitted to killing the kids parents and older sibling. Duncan is guilty as they come.

Duncan is acting as his own counsel. It is still possible he gets to cross examine Shasta on the stand.

re: #99 JCM

Duncan is acting as his own counsel. It is still possible he gets to cross examine Shasta on the stand.

Just another way to for him to assault his victim again.

SICK.

re: #96 Eowyn2

Incident

re: #99 JCM

Another cute aspect to this case.

Duncan was caught with the girl, showed police where the boy's body was, and admitted to killing the kids parents and older sibling. Duncan is guilty as they come.

Duncan is acting as his own counsel. It is still possible he gets to cross examine Shasta on the stand.

Some years ago, a man was imprissoned in my state for the murder of a 10 yr old. He then cut up the body. He recently died in prison. Most likely by murder. The same is going to happen to mr bastard in Id. We have some truly heinous men in prison but there is still a very active anti molester conclave. Even the hardened criminals have kids.

re: #70 JCM

I hate getting snowed in there with Jack.....

Redrum! Redrum!
All work and no play make Jack a dull boy.
.
.
.

re: #101 Kenneth

from the incident report:

On Thursday March 20th, about 30 protesters – some of whom were not University of Toronto students – conducted themselves in an inappropriate and unlawful fashion.

Ought to be the longest article on Wikipedia

re: #100 gop_patriot

Just another way to for him to assault his victim again.

SICK.

The whole case is sick.

Duncan was in violation of parole and had a history of sexual offenses.

HE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN OUT!

re: #102 Eowyn2

honor among theives, as it were.

re: #104 Eowyn2

Yup. Full time "militants".

Off topic-sort of. I was looking at some of Zombie's older photos- of a really awful anti-semitic sign. I saw one that made my blood boil- what would happen at one of those rallies if I took a person's sign and tore it and spit on it? even as an older woman, I think I would attempt to kick that person in his non-existent balls. I think I would be willing to be arrested if I could actually assault someone who would carry a sign like that. at least then- he would have an actual Jew to hate.

re: #102 Eowyn2

Some years ago, a man was imprissoned in my state for the murder of a 10 yr old. He then cut up the body. He recently died in prison. Most likely by murder. The same is going to happen to mr bastard in Id. We have some truly heinous men in prison but there is still a very active anti molester conclave. Even the hardened criminals have kids.

Society needs to protect itself and its children from these predators.
With extreme prejudice.

Moonbat headline

Fascist police state protects fascists

A must read essay, posted by JMF on the link scroll:

Fire in the Night
The Weathermen tried to kill my family.
30 April 2008

During the April 16 debate between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, moderator George Stephanopoulos brought up “a gentleman named William Ayers,” who “was part of the Weather Underground in the 1970s. They bombed the Pentagon, the Capitol, and other buildings. He’s never apologized for that.” Stephanopoulos then asked Obama to explain his relationship with Ayers. Obama’s answer: “The notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was eight years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn’t make much sense, George.” Obama was indeed only eight in early 1970. I was only nine then, the year Ayers’s Weathermen tried to murder me.

Obama is a lying weasel with zero integrity.

TO: Sharmuta
RE: Death Wish?

"If you're so concerned about getting "killed", perhaps you shouldn't post like you have a death wish." -- Sharmuta

Nothing like that. More like a wish about 'the Truth will out'. After all, as I stated in that earlier thread—which you and some others 'damned' me for—I'm 'honored' by such treatment.

The question, back to you, becomes what's more important? Truth? Or something else?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Q: Whose side are you on? A: The Truth. Is there another?]

re: #113 Chuck Pelto

Equating yourself with the truth is a truly amazing act of arrogance.

re: #115 taxfreekiller

Might his corpulence also be a Masshole?

re: #114 Dianna

Equating yourself with the truth is a truly amazing act of arrogance.

but if you take or hold a position and DON'T equate it with the truth then you are just dithering..

TO: Dianna
RE: Since When....

"Equating yourself with the truth is a truly amazing act of arrogance." -- Dianna

Is SEEKING the 'truth' amazing arrogance?

Where did I say "I am the Truth"?

On the other hand, we have people who go about killing other people who openly seek the truth of a matter. And I have to wonder what is the problem with this 'picture'. God knows I've seen it in corporate life. Now I see it in the blogosphere; thanks to you.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Are we learning yet?]

re: #112 Kenneth

wow

re: #102 Eowyn2

Some years ago, a man was imprissoned in my state for the murder of a 10 yr old. He then cut up the body. He recently died in prison. Most likely by murder. The same is going to happen to mr bastard in Id. We have some truly heinous men in prison but there is still a very active anti molester conclave. Even the hardened criminals have kids.

I hope they play with him first. Quick is too good for that type.

re: #113 Chuck Pelto

Dude - learn how and begin to use either the "reply" or "quote" function. Please. We're posting, not issuing memos.

Thank you.

I'll be attending Pipes and Brook's panel at Harvard (Robert Spencer will be there too) on May 6th... I'll bring my camera and see if anything interesting happens ;)

TO: joecitizen
RE: Positions and the Truth

"but if you take or hold a position and DON'T equate it with the truth then you are just dithering.." -- joecitizen

Good point, that.

The problem is getting TO the Truth. But shutting people down because they don't hold the same Truth as you do could prevent (1) YOU from discovering a new Truth and/or (2) the others from benefiting from the same.

Dialogue IS essential. Otherwise, all there is is disorder that leads to fascism.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Ride hard, shoot straight and always tell the truth. -- Cyrus the Great]

TO: Intrepid
RE: Learn....

"Dude - learn how and begin to use either the "reply" or "quote" function. Please. We're posting, not issuing memos." -- Intrepid

....to 'celebrate my diversity'.

"Thank you." -- Intrepid

You're welcome.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[He who hates vice, hates mankind.]

re: #117 joecitizen

I may - while investigating - hold several different ideas. Even when I believe a thing to be the truth, I am willing to look at evidence.

What I do not do, and find profoundly worrisome, is equate my position and truth with a capital T.

I only dither on personal matters.

re: #123 Chuck Pelto

Would you mind using the reply and quote buttons? It makes it easier to see which comment you are referring to.

TIA.

re: #118 Chuck Pelto

All the freakin' time, Chuck. All the time.

And you cannot learn.

TO: Honorary Yooper
RE: Please...

"Would you mind using the reply and quote buttons? It makes it easier to see which comment you are referring to." -- Honorary Yooper

...my reply to Intrepid.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[For more information, please re-read this comment.]

re: #89 Kenneth

Recently, a demonstration was organized at the University of Toronto over student fee increases. Curiously, as the protest began, it was taken over by a group of "militants" shouting about the Zionist apartheid regime. An administration building was occupied and the office of a senior administrator (who happens to have a very Jewish sounding name) was barricaded by the protesters. In fact, the protesters attempted to enter her office, but it was locked just in time by alert staff. Staff who attempted to leave were physically attacked. Police & security were called and had to physically remove the protesters. Death threats were uttered by one of the "militants'.

And the Canadian Human Rights Commission responded how?
/crickets

Any criminal charges?

TO: Dianna
RE: Sounds Like...

"All the freakin' time, Chuck. All the time.

And you cannot learn." -- Dianna

...projection to me.

Care to get back ON-TOPIC?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[One of the essentials of mission accomplishment is called 'Maintenance of the Objective.]

Daniel Pipes, Mark Steyn, Victor Davis Hanson -- all of these men are publicly known figures who can draw attention to the fact that leftist government thugs are attempting to muzzle them.

What about Joe Average dissenter?

In Canada and the UK alone, it appears as though around 10-15 thousand citizens have been paid a visit by the police. In Canada, at least 5,000 people have been drained of their finances by the various communist "human rights tribunals". At least two that I am aware of have committed suicide.

re: #118 Chuck Pelto

[Are we learning yet?]

Who is "we" in this case? Are you truly including yourself in this question?

Or are you being condescending?

/I know a woman who talks to people like this, and I haven't met anyone who doesn't think that she's being snotty when she does it. It is a sign of arrogance to include yourself by saying "we", when "you" is what you really mean. Just saying...

re: #129 Athos

Yes, there have been criminal charges laid. We'll see how far this goes.

re: #125 Dianna

I may - while investigating - hold several different ideas. Even when I believe a thing to be the truth, I am willing to look at evidence.

What I do not do, and find profoundly worrisome, is equate my position and truth with a capital T.

I only dither on personal matters.

improvisation is all...in intellectual and personal matters..this,however does not lessen the truth of the moment or the truth to be revealed..NOTHING is etched in stone

re: #134 joecitizen

Except, of course, those things that are etched in stone!

(Joke!)

re: #128 Chuck Pelto

TO: Honorary Yooper
RE: Please...

"Would you mind using the reply and quote buttons? It makes it easier to see which comment you are referring to." -- Honorary Yooper

...my reply to Intrepid.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[For more information, please re-read this comment.]

Chuck, the above is how quote works. It's been internet standard since Usenet was created in the early 1980s.

re: #131 Pro-Bush Canuck

Daniel Pipes, Mark Steyn, Victor Davis Hanson -- all of these men are publicly known figures who can draw attention to the fact that leftist government thugs are attempting to muzzle them.

What about Joe Average dissenter?

In Canada and the UK alone, it appears as though around 10-15 thousand citizens have been paid a visit by the police. In Canada, at least 5,000 people have been drained of their finances by the various communist "human rights tribunals". At least two that I am aware of have committed suicide.

re: #133 Kenneth

There is overwhelming pressure on the Toronto police to resolve all such matters according to leftist principle.

Have a coffee with a cop some day, Kenneth. Let him or her talk to you off the record.

re: #112 Kenneth

Very scary story, IMHO. And Bill Ayres thinks he didn't bomb enough? WTF!?! Why is Ayres even out of prison?

re: #137 JCM

Would be nice if I commented before hitting post.

Speech codes on US campuses are getting there.

re: #139 Honorary Yooper

Very scary story, IMHO. And Bill Ayres thinks he didn't bomb enough? WTF!?! Why is Ayres even out of prison?

Pardoned by Clinton

re: #139 Honorary Yooper

Very scary story, IMHO. And Bill Ayres thinks he didn't bomb enough? WTF!?! Why is Ayres even out of prison?

Heard the answer to that on Hannity a while ago. Seems the method they used to catch him involved some not-quite-legal surveillance techniques on the FBI's part. In other words, he got off on a technicality, and continues to this day to brag about having done it. He should be in jail.

re: #129 Athos

And the Canadian Human Rights Commission responded how?
/crickets

Any criminal charges?

It depends. Did they find any Jews and/or Zionists to charge?

re: #139 Honorary Yooper

Very scary story, IMHO. And Bill Ayres thinks he didn't bomb enough? WTF!?! Why is Ayres even out of prison?

I think he didn't even go to prison because it was found illegal wiretraps were used to gain evidence against him. He now, as a college professor at the Univ of Il-Chicago, thus being paid by OUR tax dollars.

re: #139 Honorary Yooper

Very scary story, IMHO. And Bill Ayres thinks he didn't bomb enough? WTF!?! Why is Ayres even out of prison?

Charges against Ayers because of prosecutorial misconduct. Double jeopardy precludes new charges, and statute of limitations applies to others.

He was never convicted or served a day. Legally he is innocent.

re: #138 Pro-Bush Canuck

I know what you mean. When the "Toronto 18" were arrested on terrorism plot charges I had an email exchange with a particular journalist covering the case. This journalist told me things the media would not print, but which the police had said, concerning the pressure from politicians to not mention the fact that there was a certain common element among these "Canadians of diverse backgrounds".

re: #139 Honorary Yooper

Ayers hid in France for many years & the French refused to extradite him. In the end, the FBI couldn't prosecute him because certain evidence was ruled inadmissible.

re: #140 JCM

Mrk Steyn wrote a piece in the Orange County Register last week explaining similar authoriatarian "human rights" boards were established in Germany in the mid 1930s to combat anti-Semitism.

Think about that for a minute.

Hitler of course immediately co-opted and re-wrote these laws. It was the opening he needed.

Protestshooter, thanks for documenting this. :) And Zombie, I'm looking forward to your report as well!

You two, and the others here who photograph and blog these things, are doing a great service to us typical, bitter, gun-and-religion-clinging folks in flyover country, who don't get to experience the more outrageous, moonbatty events, marches, and demonstrations. God bless ya!

re: #138 Pro-Bush Canuck

A cousin is a Toronto cop.....and he's no lefty.

There are times, he says......

re: #147 Kenneth

Ayers hid in France for many years & the French refused to extradite him. In the end, the FBI couldn't prosecute him because certain evidence was ruled inadmissible.

Arrgh. I do wish something could be done about assholes like Ayres.

/sigh.

re: #151 Honorary Yooper

Arrgh. I do wish something could be done about assholes like Ayres.

/sigh.

President Obama will give him a Cabinet position.

re: #144 Taqyia2Me

I think he didn't even go to prison because it was found illegal wiretraps were used to gain evidence against him. He now, as a college professor at the Univ of Il-Chicago, thus being paid by OUR tax dollars.

Correct. Mark Felt, 'Deep Throat' was the one who ordered the illegal wiretaps and procedures that corrupted the criminal cases.

That's the kind of security treatment you'd expect a terrorist to get at any other university.

So, I don't want to stir up the debate again, but I was thinking about going to see Expelled tonight. Do you guys think that it would be worth it for those who have seen it?

re: #154 bosforus

That's the kind of security treatment you'd expect a terrorist to get at any other university Berkeley.

Which is why this is so amazing.

re: #155 bryantms

So, I don't want to stir up the debate again, but I was thinking about going to see Expelled tonight. Do you guys think that it would be worth it for those who have seen it?

Drink!

re: #155 bryantms

I'm going tomorrow night.

re: #150 Athos

Canada struck a deal with the devil. Whereas the US believes in the freedom and God-given right of every citizen to pursue happiness, Canada instead rallied around a creed which stresses quietude and mutual agreement to keep the peace.

We are watching now as the Canadian formula slowly unravels.

re: #156 Fat Jolly Penguin

Which is why this is so amazing.

I'm surprised they didn't make everyone wear radiation suits as well.

The feds should stop giving money to Berkeley if police are needed to guard speakers. Same for U. of Cal at Irvine - another bastion of lefties and islamofascists.re: #37 NoSubmission

re: #159 Pro-Bush Canuck

We are watching now as the Canadian formula slowly unravels.

That is why I have so few cousins remaining back home - most have come south...and my trips back home become further and further apart.

Canada has lost its way. It started with Pierre and is now totally undone....emulating Fwance as opposed to the US.

re: #144 Taqyia2Me
And in the meantime people with legitimate graduate degrees can't find work in universities!

re: #145 JCM

Legally he is innocent.

He is not guilty. Important difference.

re: #148 Pro-Bush Canuck

Mrk Steyn wrote a piece in the Orange County Register last week explaining similar authoriatarian "human rights" boards were established in Germany in the mid 1930s to combat anti-Semitism.

Think about that for a minute.

Hitler of course immediately co-opted and re-wrote these laws. It was the opening he needed.

Which is why as much as some things bother me. I am extremely hesitant to limit "speech."

Although I wish would could define performance art where smearing ones naked body in chocolate as something other than speech.

re: #164 Silhouette

He is not guilty. Important difference.

Correction duly noted, thank you.

re: #165 JCM

Although I wish would could define performance art where smearing ones naked body in chocolate as something other than speech.

It is Progressive
Or FUN if it is your wife

re: #58 Ringo the Gringo

Excellent! I'll be looking forward to everybody's May Day reports!

re: #49 NoSubmission
I am sure that in honor of May Day the women of Code Pink and the loonies who stand in front of the public library like mimes dressed in black, will not shave their legs!

I have heard VDH speak about 6 times and I make a point to read whatever he writes. He is a towering intellect, and a pretty good farmer too.

re: #76 NoSubmission

At noon? Don't these people work?

May Day is supposed to be a general walk out/call in sick day. But locally they've had to move the east bay immigration rally to the evening because not enough people would come otherwise.

Daniel Pipes spoke here with very little protest and objection here at UC Santa Barbara. The MSA got a little pissy when he said that their organization was founded by the godfather of Al Qaeda and claimed they had no idea what he was talking about when he read a rather incriminating portion out of the MSA handbook.

re: #167 LeftJustAintRight

It is Progressive
Or FUN if it is your wife

Some "performance" artist had a gig on the UW (Seattle) campus.
Her schtick, was to have guys come up on stage and look in her vagina with a flashlight.

Seattle has a 4' rule for strip clubs, but it doesn't apply to art on a college campus?

*shakes head*

re: #84 zombie

Got bogged down with the video.

Still having YouTube problems?

re: #173 JCM

Some "performance" artist had a gig on the UW (Seattle) campus.
Her schtick, was to have guys come up on stage and look in her vagina with a flashlight

That just ain't right

re: #165 JCM

Which is why as much as some things bother me. I am extremely hesitant to limit "speech."

Although I wish would could define performance art where smearing ones naked body in chocolate as something other than speech.

That particular act involved a form of homicide (in my opinion), either in reality or figuratively.

My saying that Islam is on the wrong track and mst be reformed does not involve direct harm to anyone. It is food for thought.

By the same token, my belief that leftism is a threat to the West which should be countered as an idea harms nobody.

When my ability to express ideas like this attracts the attention of the police -- then I get worried.

re: #173 JCM

Probably looked like this..... (safe for work)

re: #165 JCM

Which is why as much as some things bother me. I am extremely hesitant to limit "speech."

Although I wish would could define performance art where smearing ones naked body in chocolate as something other than speech.

It depends on how good looking she is.

re: #178 Athos

Probably looked like this..... (safe for work)

ROFL!

On the other coast, Siraj "the blind sheik is a nice guy" Wahhaj will be in Manchester, NH, giving the keynote speech at a fundraiser at the Radisson for the Islamic Society of Greater Manchester to keep building their mosque in the city of Manchester.

They invited an unindicted co-conspirator in terrorism to speak for them. A radical imam, who has given lectures like "Are you ready to die"? A guy who said that Desert Storm was a "diabolical plot". The guy who defended the mastermind of the 1993 WTC bombing, who personally knew him. That Siraj Wahhaj.

Just WHAT is going to go on in the mosque they're building in Manchester, New Hampshire?

You can see it on their own site, the speaker listing at [Link: www.isgm.net...]

May 4th. Any people in New Hampshire want to see if they'll let an infidel in to videotape what he says?

re: #176 Pro-Bush Canuck

That particular act involved a form of homicide (in my opinion), either in reality or figuratively.

My saying that Islam is on the wrong track and mst be reformed does not involve direct harm to anyone. It is food for thought.

By the same token, my belief that leftism is a threat to the West which should be countered as an idea harms nobody.

When my ability to express ideas like this attracts the attention of the police -- then I get worried.

I've believed for the longest time, restricting ideas and speech about those ideas drives them underground where they can fester. The proponents of those ideas feel more justified in their "oppressed" status and finally striking out becomes in their view the only option.

When someone is allowed to vent publicly, the only whine they have left is "no one listens to me."

I also belief the proof of this lies here in the US. Despite the volume and sometimes shrillness of the rhetoric when have very little ideological violence.

re: #181 Kalak

On the other coast, Siraj "the blind sheik is a nice guy" Wahhaj will be in Manchester, NH, giving the keynote speech at a fundraiser at the Radisson for the Islamic Society of Greater Manchester to keep building their mosque in the city of Manchester.

They invited an unindicted co-conspirator in terrorism to speak for them. A radical imam, who has given lectures like "Are you ready to die"? A guy who said that Desert Storm was a "diabolical plot". The guy who defended the mastermind of the 1993 WTC bombing, who personally knew him. That Siraj Wahhaj.

Just WHAT is going to go on in the mosque they're building in Manchester, New Hampshire?

You can see it on their own site, the speaker listing at [Link: www.isgm.net...]

May 4th. Any people in New Hampshire want to see if they'll let an infidel in to videotape what he says?

I'm in Manchester right now. I think I will just have to be there to see what is going on. Thanks for the info.

I think that the coolness of this event is being understated. It is not just that the event did not get moonbat-ed. The applause was *thunderous* at times.

(my earlier blurb on the event...repasted since I am lazy)

It was great to finally see Drs. Daniel Pipes, VDH and Yarood Brook speak in person. I have not read or heard of Dr. Brook before. But he had a lot of welcome things to say about the issue. He is a very strong defender of our culture and a fearless opponent of our enemy.

All of the panelists presented interesting and useful insights into Totalitarian Islam. So all around a great event.

The amazing thing was that it went off so well in BERKELEY of all places. Some sample quotes from speakers...(I'll have to paraphrase).

"Totalitarian Islam is an enemy that must be completely crushed militarily, politically and culturally"

*applause*

"The UN is the worst human organization in history"

*loud applause*

"Our enemy needs to be named and that enemy is Totalitarian Islam"

*applause*

"Best candidate to handle the threat of Totalitarian Islam: John McCain"

(no groans, boos or catcalls, some applause)

"Worst candidate to handle the threat of Totalitarian Islam: Obama"

(no groans, boos or catcalls, some applause)

Reference to H Clinton's "obliterate Iran" comment

*applause*

"Iran and Saudi Arabia are governments that advocate the philosophy and goals of our enemy and need to be treated accordingly"

*applause*

The oral questions from the audience contained *no* questions or comments that were hostile to the intellectual framework of the panelists. The debate was more about tactics and strategy.

I was amazed. There were approximately 200-300 people there (rough guess). I hope that Zombie does a bit on it.

And I was able to get my lovely wife a very cool "Laissez Faire" t-shirt. :)

FINALLY, here is my report on the same event:

Pipes and VDH at Berkeley: No news is good news

Nothing happened when Daniel Pipes and Victor Davis Hanson showed up to give a talk on the UC Berkeley campus yesterday.

Nothing at all. No protests, no interruptions, no shouting, no disruptive audience members, no threats, no cries of “Racist!“, no verbal attacks on Israel — nothing.

Which — considering what happened the last time Pipes spoke at UC, in 2004 — is just about the most remarkable news to come out of the Berkeley campus in a while.

Took me too long, as usual. But hey -- I got video!

Zombie: I think one reason that this was a low-key event is that it was NOT openly promoted. Let's see what happens at the Islamophobia conference on April 25-26!

...you don't care to give any credit to the organizer(s) of the event (Yaron Brook), Charles?

I think the Leftists were just resting up for their most important holiday of the year, Mayday.
Curious though that not even a few radicals showed up. It is likely that the reason was not apathy but as the result of some larger plan for disruption.

TO: gop_patriot
RE: [OT] Learning Yet?

"Who is "we" in this case? Are you truly including yourself in this question?

Or are you being condescending? " -- gop_patriot

You'd probably call it both.

The line is taken from Terminator 2, when young John Connor is asking Arnold if he's learned something about where car-keys are hidden.

However, in the movie, young John Connor is also learning about a lot of things. Don't you think?

The point is that ENTJs learn best by interaction with other people, like on this here blog.

The problem with dealing with some of the people, as in some being engaged here, is that they have nothing constructive to offer. Take for example Yooper, who only wants to 'learn' me how to use the reply techniques of this particular system. Something I already know about and don't care to use. And yet he keeps insisting that I do it HIS way. As if that had anything to do with showing me something useful that I didn't already know. For him and others like him, it's a control-trip. He wants to get his panties in a bunch of 'formats' as opposed to information. Will HE 'learn'? I have my doubts.

On the other hand, we have OR and BZ and SR. They've learned to ignore me. A better lesson that Yooper and some others here. However, others will call for 'killing'. Just because they don't care to 'celebrate my diversity'.

Such is life......and death.....

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[It seems that the biggest problem of modern society is not to learn to 'live' with your fellow man, but to 'tolerate' him. If you can tolerate him, there's a higher probability that you can actually 'live' with him. An he with you. -- CBPelto]