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Thu, May 1, 2008 at 2:29:40 am PDT

The miserable have no other medicine,
But only hope.

William Shakespeare

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1 littleoldlady  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:31:35am

That reminds me....I should check the Powerball numbers.

2 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:32:35am

hope, and Change&trade

3 littleoldlady  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:32:54am

Ah. Good news and bad news. The bad news is that I didn't win. :-( The good news is nobody else did either. :-)

4 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:33:44am

re: #3 littleoldlady

Ah. Good news and bad news. The bad news is that I didn't win. :-( The good news is nobody else did either. :-)

/snicker.

sounds like Hillary. If I can't get the Demo nomination, then neither can Obama!
(its like she's doing McCain's work for him)

5 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:35:28am

re: #4 Hengineer

/snicker.

sounds like Hillary. If I can't get the Demo nomination, then neither can Obama!
(its like she's doing McCain's work for him)

She's secretly in love with good ol' Mc.
/Wants to try a real man in intimacy.

//Hope the lawyer from AK is not reading this...

6 littleoldlady  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:38:05am

So how did she do with O'Reilly last night?

/I watched this instead.

7 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:40:51am
The miserable have no other medicine,
But only hope.

— William Shakespeare

And in Shakespeare's England, you need to sit on a waiting list for six months to even get that much medicine...

8 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:42:20am

re: #5 MigueldowninMexico

She's secretly in love with good ol' Mc.
/Wants to try a real man in intimacy.

re: #6 littleoldlady

So how did she do with O'Reilly last night?

I really didn't need to see those two comments one after the other. Ew.

9 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:42:33am

re: #7 JamesTKirk

And in Shakespeare's England, you need to sit on a waiting list for six months to even get that much medicine...

Things haven't changed much in the past 500 years either.

10 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:43:10am

re: #6 littleoldlady

So how did she do with O'Reilly last night?

/I watched this instead.

Thanks for linking that!

11 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:43:32am

re: #8 JamesTKirk

I really didn't need to see those two comments one after the other. Ew.

ROFL!

12 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:44:23am

Morning

13 littleoldlady  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:45:14am

re: #8 JamesTKirk

I really didn't need to see those two comments one after the other. Ew.

Welcome to the early morning dog-and-pony show!

/what are you doing up up early?!

14 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:49:09am

re: #5 MigueldowninMexico

Oye, Miguel....just the Mexicano I wanted to see.....

Yesterday's San Diego Union Tribune had a big color photo of a sand-colored Humvee and troops in desert camo with rifles and machine guns cordoning off a busy street in a hot, dry looking city on the front cover. I gave it a cursory glance and assumed the piture accompanied an article about the ongoing conflict in Iraq.

Then I read the accompanying article and realized that these were Mexican soldiers (the H&K G3 rifles should've given that away) cordoning off a street in Tijuana. The article even said that the governor and local officials were asking TV and radio stations to refrain from playing narcocorrido music.

Guess I was more dead on than I thought when I used the term narcoinsurgency....

15 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:49:25am
(IsraelNN.com) Hamas-run television in Gaza broadcast a dastardly new version of Holocaust denial on the eve of Holocaust Remembrance Day – claiming the Jews carried out the genocide to rid themselves of the “disabled and handicapped” among them.

The show, billed as part of the Islamist terror group’s educational programming, conveyed the message that the Holocaust was actually a Zionist plot, aiming to both eliminate handicapped Jews and at the same time to make “the Jews seem persecuted” in order to “benefit from international sympathy.”

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

16 The Other Les  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:58:59am

re: #1 littleoldlady

That reminds me....I should check the Powerball numbers.

I just did.

Drat!

17 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:59:15am

re: #15 storagemanager

(IsraelNN.com) Hamas-run television in Gaza broadcast a dastardly new version of Holocaust denial on the eve of Holocaust Remembrance Day – claiming the Jews carried out the genocide to rid themselves of the “disabled and handicapped” among them.
The show, billed as part of the Islamist terror group’s educational programming, conveyed the message that the Holocaust was actually a Zionist plot, aiming to both eliminate handicapped Jews and at the same time to make “the Jews seem persecuted” in order to “benefit from international sympathy.”

Remember the 'good old days' when they hated Hitler for not killing enough Jews instead of denying the holocaust took place?

/Don't ever pay attention to what they have to say to us in English. Always listen to what they say to each other in Arabic

18 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:59:28am

Good morning, Lizards!

19 The Other Les  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:00:16am

re: #18 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards!

Good Morning.

20 The Other Les  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:03:42am

Today is May Day.

There are those who still seek to establish a Communist state in America (with themselves holding the whip, of course) even though Communism has been proven to be toxic to human life.

Let us remember the victims of Communism and work to prevent any further destruction of lives and civilization.

21 guzziguy  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:05:01am

From a hobby related site I subscribed to...

Everyone seems to be wondering why Muslim terrorists are so quick to commit suicide. Let's see now. . . .

No Jesus
No Christmas
No television
No cheerleaders
No baseball
No football
No hockey
No golf
No tailgate parties
No Wal-Mart
No Home Depot
No pork BBQ
No hot dogs
No burgers
No chocolate chip cookies
No lobster
No shellfish, or even frozen fish sticks
No gumbo
No jambalaya
No Beer
Rags for clothes and towels for hats.
Constant wailing from the guy next-door because he's sick and there are no doctors.
Constant wailing from the guy in the tower.
More than one wife.
You can't shave.
Your wives can't shave.
You can't shower to wash off the smell of donkey cooked over burning camel dung.
The women have to wear baggy dresses and veils at all times.
Your bride is picked by someone else.
She smells just like your donkey.
But your donkey has a better disposition.

Then they tell you that when you die it all gets better!
I mean, really, is there a mystery here?

22 littleoldlady  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:05:04am

goddess! :-)

re: #16 The Other Les

I just did.

Drat!

Hope.Springs.Eternal.

/that's my excuse, and I'm sticking to it...

23 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:05:52am

re: #14 Fenway_Nation

Oye, Miguel....just the Mexicano I wanted to see.....

Yesterday's San Diego Union Tribune had a big color photo of a sand-colored Humvee and troops in desert camo with rifles and machine guns cordoning off a busy street in a hot, dry looking city on the front cover. I gave it a cursory glance and assumed the piture accompanied an article about the ongoing conflict in Iraq.

Then I read the accompanying article and realized that these were Mexican soldiers (the H&K G3 rifles should've given that away) cordoning off a street in Tijuana. The article even said that the governor and local officials were asking TV and radio stations to refrain from playing narcocorrido music.

Guess I was more dead on than I thought when I used the term narcoinsurgency....

Yes narcoinsurgency is a reality.
In that particular instance, there was a small war between two sides of the same drug cartel.
It's quite a struggle, but most of the deaths are of drug dealers, an odd thing.

24 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:08:54am

re: #23 MigueldowninMexico

I get the impression that Calderon is treating this much more urgently than previous administrations there.

25 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:09:15am

littleoldlady
That site you linked is VERY IMPRESSIVE.
Thanks.

26 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:11:24am

Morning folks - I was looking forward to the fist tulip today, but we had a frost overnight and this morning the three tulips that were about to bloom are all bent over. I'm hoping they'll recover . . . . . . three of my prettiest.

27 Jim in Virginia  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:12:15am

Morning all.
Way too much work going on. Other than that life is good.
We have the good fortune to be designing a data center for the state owned (well, actually, it's a family business) oil company in a very large, sandy, unnamed Middle Eastern country.
We're spending their money as fast as we can.

28 Jim in Virginia  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:12:58am

re: #26 galloping granny

Morning folks - I was looking forward to the fist tulip today, but we had a frost overnight and this morning the three tulips that were about to bloom are all bent over. I'm hoping they'll recover . . . . . . three of my prettiest.

Global warming climate change.

29 Jim in Virginia  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:14:36am

I've had a wonderful evenignBut it wasn;t this one.

30 Jim in Virginia  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:15:52am

Ack, I need more coffee. That was supposed to be,
Apropos of nothing, a Groucho Marx quote.

I've had a wonderful evening. But it wasn't this one.
31 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:16:05am

re: #28 Jim in Virginia

Global warming climate change.

Funny how all that global warming leads to frozen tulips, isn't it? And isn't some ski resort well on the way to breaking 1000 feet of snow for the year?

32 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:16:13am

re: #26 galloping granny

Morning folks - I was looking forward to the fist tulip today, but we had a frost overnight and this morning the three tulips that were about to bloom are all bent over. I'm hoping they'll recover . . . . . . three of my prettiest.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you!

33 littleoldlady  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:17:39am

re: #25 MigueldowninMexico

Miguel,

It was a very interesting show, attempting to answer the question, "How is it that nobody knew?" I learned a lot.

34 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:20:11am

re: #32 goddessoftheclassroom

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you!

Thanks! At least the tomatoes were not forgotten outside overnight. That would have been a tragedy - too late to start more and have them ready to go into the ground.

35 freetoken  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:23:44am

re: #31 galloping granny

Funny how all that global warming leads to frozen tulips, isn't it? And isn't some ski resort well on the way to breaking 1000 feet of snow for the year?

Well, increased winter precipitation is one outcome of a warmer atmosphere, because the atmosphere will be able to hold more water vapor (and thus there would be more to condense out.)

However, any given day or season is just weather. As is repeatedly stated, climate is the overall, or long term nature of the Earth, not the daily changes.

36 The Other Les  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:25:00am

I must confess that I didn't watch the whole video.

It's also not not safe for work or gentle sensibilities.

[Link: dirtyharrysplace.com...]

37 freetoken  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:26:17am

re: #23 MigueldowninMexico

Miguel - I've not been to TJ in several years, but recently I was thinking of going down there... but then all of this news of the "narco" wars keep popping up, which has been discouraging me.

So I too wonder if it is really as bad as the news up here is making it sound, and whether an old white guy like me would survive.... I'm not so fast at ducking bullets anymore.

38 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:27:14am

{MIGUEL!}

Hopium!

39 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:27:32am

re: #29 Jim in Virginia

lol!

40 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:28:17am

re: #38 BabbaZee

{MIGUEL!}

Hopium!

You mean the Hopiate of the masses...

41 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:29:48am

re: #33 littleoldlady

Miguel,

It was a very interesting show, attempting to answer the question, "How is it that nobody knew?" I learned a lot.

Thanks again for those links!

42 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:30:18am

re: #40 Fenway_Nation

You mean the Hopiate of the masses...

No I like Hopium. I meant hopium.

Obammunism: The Hopium of the Asses!

Of course Hopiate works too , even better, if you want to stick nearer the original

I just like the sound of hopium
;~}

43 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:30:56am

re: #37 freetoken

Miguel - I've not been to TJ in several years, but recently I was thinking of going down there... but then all of this news of the "narco" wars keep popping up, which has been discouraging me.

So I too wonder if it is really as bad as the news up here is making it sound, and whether an old white guy like me would survive.... I'm not so fast at ducking bullets anymore.

It seems things are hot now, because there's a war going on between different sides of "the Tijuana Cartel".
Better stay clear of TJ for a while, I'd say ;)

44 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:31:36am

re: #38 BabbaZee

{MIGUEL!}

Hopium!

{BABBA}
Yes, I'm hoptimist ;)

45 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:31:53am

re: #42 BabbaZee

Hopium sounds like some kind of radioactive material in my books.

/plutonium, neptunium, francium, einsteinium. . . . . .
//watch out for that earth shattering Ka-Booom

46 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:32:23am

Whew! I was about to have a fit. I thought I made a HUGE mistake in my checking account and had far less money than I thought. Praise be, I had just deducted the same amount twice.

I know that in the great scheme of things, this is trivial, but in my private universe, this would have been a Very Bad Thing.

47 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:32:35am

re: #42 BabbaZee

I like misspelling scepter.

Heil, Babba!

Gotta get the mini-wheats ready for school and drag a rusty razor across me grizzled face. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr mateys!

48 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:33:39am
KRAKOW/JERUSALEM (EJP)--“I have mixed feelings and ermotions,” says Leibl Zisman, a 77-year-old Auschwitz survivor, who will take part on Thursday in the ‘March of the Living’ for the first time in his life.

"As a 14-year-old boy I was deported from the Kovno (Kaunas) ghetto in Lithuania to Auschwitz and I made the death march in the winter of 1944-1945 before being liberated by US soldiers," he told EJP.

Zisman, who is living in New York, is among tens of thousands people, including many youngsters, from around the world, who traveled to Poland to take part in the annual March of the Living ceremony.

The ceremony, to be led by Israel’s chief of staff Brigadier General Gabi Ashkenazi, starts at 1:00 pm and is to trace the 3-kilometer voyage from the concentration camp at Auschwitz to the adjacent complex at Birkenau where Jews were systematically murdered in giant gas chambers.

The symbolic march is held in commemoration of the death marches that took place when the Nazis began emptying the camps and forcing prisoners to walk hundreds of kilometres in freezing weather with little food. Thousands died and those who lagged behind or fell were shot.

As Israel celebrates its 60th anniversary, the Auschwitz ceremony will be led by Israel’s chief of staff, Brigadier General Gabi Ashkenazi

[Link: www.ejpress.org...]

49 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:34:29am

re: #45 BlueCanuck

Hopium sounds like some kind of radioactive material in my books.

/plutonium, neptunium, francium, einsteinium. . . . . .
//watch out for that earth shattering Ka-Booom

Excatly why I liked it , the incendiary quality
lol


I wanna see the flowers bloom
don't wanna go kaboom kaboom
but nevertheless....
50 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:34:48am

re: #47 BulgarWheat

ARRRRRR!
Heil Five!

51 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:35:12am

re: #44 MigueldowninMexico

Hoptimists Untie!

52 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:38:07am
What would Israel’s first Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion have said if, on the day that he declared the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, he had known that six decades thence Israel would be encircled by its enemies, hopelessly outnumbered and fighting for its existence? He would surely have said: so what’s new?

Next week, on 8 May, Israel celebrates the 60th anniversary of that declaration. With every decade that it clocks up, people ask the same question: will Israel still be there for the next one? It is indeed astonishing that it has not only survived but is flourishing. Its situation as a permanently embattled nation is unique. On the day after Ben-Gurion declared its independence, six Arab armies invaded and tried to wipe it out. With the current exception of Egypt and Jordan, the Arab and Muslim world has been trying ever since.

Israel is the only country whose creation was approved by the UN; yet it is the only country whose legitimacy is called into question. It is the only country which the world requires to compromise with its Palestinian Arab attackers and accede to their demands, even while they are firing rockets at its schools and houses and blowing up its citizens. It is the only country which continues to provide electricity and basic services to those attackers and routinely treats thousands of Palestinians in its own hospitals, even those who have Israeli blood on their hands. And yet it is the only country which, in the court of public opinion, is condemned for behaving ‘disproportionately’ when it uses targeted military means to defend itself, and is accused of causing the very ‘Nazi’ or ‘apartheid’ atrocities of which it itself is the victim.

[Link: www.newenglishreview.org...]

53 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:40:54am

The rebellion against civilization:
The menace of the Under Man
1922

Science!

/

Lord
Help them all
For they know not WTF is coming.

54 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:40:59am

Hawaiian Seperatists have taken over the Governmental Palace and are keeping hostages

[Link: www.hawaiireporter.com...]

55 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:43:55am
Iran could be just months away from fully mastering nuclear technology, Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Shaul Mofaz said on Thursday, citing intelligence estimates. "The Iranians could cross the technological line within a relatively short time, within months, before the end of the year," he told army radio.

[Link: www.alarabiya.net...]

56 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:44:08am

Here's two other books by the venerable Scientist Stoddard


The New World of Islam, 1921


The rising tide of color against white world-supremacy, 1920

57 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:45:19am

re: #54 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Hawaiian "nationalists?"

GOD help us all


Where do the mutts apply?

Woof.

58 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:45:20am
Iran complained to the United Nations on Wednesday about U.S. presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's comment the United States could "totally obliterate" Iran in retaliation for a nuclear strike against Israel.

Iran's deputy ambassador to the United Nations sent a letter to U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and the president of the Security Council expressing Iran's condemnation of "such a provocative, unwarranted and irresponsible statement."

[Link: www.alarabiya.net...]

59 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:46:27am

re: #58 storagemanager

[Link: www.alarabiya.net...]

Pot calls kettle Jewish
Film at 11

60 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:46:36am

re: #57 BabbaZee

In the back with the rest of the Haolis(sp?).

61 Jim in Virginia  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:48:30am
62 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:49:10am

re: #60 BlueCanuck

In the back with the rest of the Haolis(sp?).

sigh

63 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:50:25am
64 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:51:06am

re: #61 Jim in Virginia

Never saw that one before!

65 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:51:14am

re: #51 BabbaZee

Hoptimists Untie!

Hahahahahaha.

66 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:51:36am
A campaign to protect domestic workers from abuse and exploitation challenges employers to ‘Put Yourself in Her Shoes’. (HRW)

Lebanese employers, placement agencies, and the Lebanese authorities should improve the treatment of domestic workers by ensuring fair contracts, timely payment of wages, and a weekly day’s leave, Human Rights Watch said today, on the eve of Labor Day.

Human Rights Watch is launching a campaign to highlight the often invisible abuses that many women who are domestic workers suffer in Lebanon.
An estimated 200,000 domestic workers, primarily from Sri Lanka, the Philippines, and Ethiopia, play an essential role in a large number of Lebanese households, yet remain unprotected by labor laws and are subject to exploitation and frequent abuse by employers and agencies.

“This Labor Day reminds us of the important contributions these women make to this country,” said Nadim Houry, researcher at Human Rights Watch. “They not only pick up the slack in many households in Lebanon, but also help support their own families left behind. While some employers treat domestic workers with respect, many fail to provide minimum standards of decent working conditions, such as adequate food, living accommodations, and regular payment.”

[Link: www.wluml.org...]

67 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:51:49am
68 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:53:03am
The government declared its last call for the May Day demonstrations: 'No leeway will be made!' Following this statement trade union representatives express their determination: 'We will be in Taksim with 500,000 people, with carnations in our hands!' Meanwhile, police forces have started taking measures in and around Taksim Square



[Link: www.turkishdailynews.com.tr...]

69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:53:30am

re: #59 BabbaZee

{Babba}...Mama Winger's greyhound died on Monday. Thought you'd want to know.

70 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:54:12am

re: #69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

{Babba}...Mama Winger's greyhound died on Monday. Thought you'd want to know.

Thanks for letter me know. How sad. Was it unexpected, or was the poor thing failing?

71 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:54:29am

Darkness is death's ignorance and the devil's time
~ James Brown

72 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:54:29am
The government of Pakistan has given cash compensation to more than 500 people for the Taliban fighters killed or wounded during the military operation in the tribal district of South Waziristan. The military operation was launched in 2004. The Urdu-language newspaper Roznama Jasarat reported that over 500 individuals were given about 200 million Pakistani Rupees.

According to the report, the local Emir of Taliban in South Waziristan Mullah Nazir and about 150 senior Taliban fighters, affected by the military operation, have been given an undisclosed big amount. The report quoted an unnamed official as saying that 50,000 Rupees were given for minor injuries, 250,000 Rupees for serious injuries and 500,000 Rupees to the relatives of those who died in the operation.


[Link: www.weaselzippers.net...]

73 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:55:24am

Jewels
Long time no see!
I hope you're doing fine :)

74 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:55:34am

re: #69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

hiya my fatty boomballatee
yes I know sweetie thanks

75 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:56:58am

Pray for the children..............

HUBLI: An honour killing can't possibly be worse than this. Caste — the common factor in most such incidents in northern India — was absent here. The only 'crime' 18-year-old Rekha Gokavi had committed was to love a boy belonging to a poor family. Rekha was clobbered and burnt alive by her father and uncle.The outrage, which occurred on April 22 in Chikkasavanur, a tiny village in Gadag district about 80 km from here, came to light only on Tuesday. Gadag police superintendent D Roopa informed TOI that Rekha, a high school dropout, was in love with Narasanagowda Patil (22). The families were opposed to the match. Both belonged to the Reddy community.

[Link: www.stophonourkillings.com...]

76 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:57:46am

Doing Okay Miguel: I have a day job now just up. a bit early. This nonsense in Hawaii has got me annoyed at this point

77 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:00:09am

re: #76 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Doing Okay Miguel: I have a day job now just up. a bit early. This nonsense in Hawaii has got me annoyed at this point

I understand you being annoyed.
Now the liberals want to take Hawaii apart from the USA.
Ugh

I'm glad you're doing ok!

78 Pro-Bush Canuck  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:01:46am

My begonias are actually still alive. That's a big step forward for me, possibly the world's worst horticulturist.

My girlfriend should be landing just about now. Driver will whisk her ino the city where I have fresh coffee, fresh croissants and fresh flowers waiting.

79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:02:25am

re: #70 goddessoftheclassroom

Totally unexpected. She is crushed. Just got here {goddess} should have known you'd be here too.

80 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:02:39am
81 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:04:21am

Ok, dear lizards.
I have to go now.
Good bye and God bless all :)

82 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:04:22am

re: #78 Pro-Bush Canuck

{PBC}

How are you this morning?

83 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:04:54am

G'night Miguel.
HOPIUM!

84 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:05:46am

Later Miguel, see you next time.

85 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:07:19am
1918. In The Science of Power, Benjamin Kidd wrote, "The main cause of those deep diving differences which separate peoples and nationalities and classes from each other and which prevent or stultify collective effort in all its most powerful forms... could all be swept away if civilization put before itself the will to impose on the young the ideal of subordination to the common aims of organized humanity... So to impose it has become the chief end of education in the future. ... Give us the Young and we will create a new mind and new earth in a single generation."

Kidd goes onto quote Masonic Carbonari leader Guiseppe Mazzini (1805-1872): "Your task is to form the universal family.... Education, this is the great word which sums up our whole doctrine. [From Mazzini's On the Duties of Man]. According to Dennis Cuddy, Kidd emphasizes Mazzini message that "education is addressed through emotion to the moral faculties in the young and instruction to the intellectual (faculties)." "Power centres in emotion."2 Cuddy, page 14


LINK
Do you begin to smell the Hopium, Masses?

86 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:08:11am

We are over 100 years late to this party.

87 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:10:12am

But I catch on quick
and I carry a big stick

88 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:11:33am

re: #86 BabbaZee

Sometimes it's never too late. This party is going to rock the world.

89 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:12:43am

re: #88 BlueCanuck

Sometimes it's never too late. This party is going to rock the world.

Amen

90 Pro-Bush Canuck  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:14:09am

re: #82 BabbaZee

I'm great. Sunny day here in Toronto. Air is crisp and clear 40-odd storeys in the air.

91 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:16:30am
1987. Among the notable members of the Study Commission on Global Education were (then) Governor Bill Clinton, AFT president Albert Shanker, Professor John Goodlad, CFAT (Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching) president Ernest Boyer, and Frank Newman, president of the Education Commission of the States. Together, they prepared a report titled The United States Prepares for Its Future: Global Perspectives in Education. The Rockefeller, Ford and Exxon Foundations helped fund this report. In the Foreword, New Ager Harlan Cleveland, author of The Third Try at World Order, wrote:

"A dozen years ago... teaching and learning 'in global perspective' was still exotic doctrine, threatening the orthodoxies of those who still thought of American citizenship as an amalgam of American history, American geography, American lifestyles and American ideas.... It now seems almost conventional to speak of American citizenship in the same breath with international interdependence and the planetary environment."13


HOPIUM!

92 Pro-Bush Canuck  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:16:47am

Well that was my better half calling from the limo. She's 10 minutes away. So I have to go and treat her to a wonderful day.

Talk later, Lizards.

93 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:16:53am

re: #90 Pro-Bush Canuck

Isn't it great no smog out there yet. Unfortunately I have a ground floor view at the moment.

94 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:17:00am

re: #90 Pro-Bush Canuck

any new news?

95 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:19:21am

The Clintons and the "Third Way"


There is an explanation of THIRD WAY in one of my old posts here

Behold she comes on a white centrist trojan horse

96 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:21:04am
Born in Frankfurt in 1925 to a religious family, Yehuda and his parents lived in Germany until 1936. "When it became very difficult to live there," he said, "we moved to Holland in 1937, giving us three years of vacation - until the Germans captured Holland in three days, and everything began again. I remember a German standing atop a tank and I came out to see and he yelled out, 'Here come the Jews, they're beginning to come out' - this was a sign that everything was starting all over again..."

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

97 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:21:56am

I am not insane all you excellent Festi!

98 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:24:01am
2002 (April 29): President George W. Bush added his support to this massive network by signing an Executive Order titled, "President's New Freedom Commission on Mental Health." It established a commission which bound the Departments of Health and Human Services, Education and Labor together in a common quest for "the desired outcomes of mental health care, which are to attain each individual's maximum level of employment, self-care, interpersonal relationships, and community participation."19 See Legalizing Mind Control

LINK

99 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:24:23am
Pope Benedict XVI received visiting head of Iran's Islamic Culture and Relations Organization Mehdi Mostafavi on Thursday who presented a precious copy of Muslims holy book, the Quran, to the 81-year-old pontiff.

Mostafavi is currently in Italy heading a high-ranking delegation to attend an inter-faith dialogue with the Catholic Church in Vatican.

Appreciating Mostafavi for the valuable gift, the pope said that the holy Quran was so dear to him.

He stressed that the contemporary world was in dire need of faith and wisdom as the tow major factors that could help people face their challenges.

The pope also expressed hope that bilateral relations and cooperation be further promoted between Iran and Vatican.

Mostafavi, for his part, voiced Tehran's readiness to promote bilateral cooperation with Vatican in the fields of cultural and religious activities.

[Link: www2.irna.com...]

100 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:24:47am

BRAVE NEW WORLD

/I liked the old one better

101 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:25:16am

Appreciating Mostafavi for the valuable gift, the pope said that the holy Quran was so dear to him.


Appreciating Mostafavi for the valuable gift, the pope said that the holy Quran was so dear to him.

Appreciating Mostafavi for the valuable gift, the pope said that the holy Quran was so dear to him.

102 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:25:38am

He should have smacked the MFer in the face with the filthy tome

103 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:26:28am

re: #100 BabbaZee

Saw the movie, read the book. An interesting counterpoint to "1984".

/read them both one summer for fun.

104 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:26:49am
"the desired outcomes of mental health care, which are to attain each individual's maximum level of employment, self-care, interpersonal relationships, and community participation."

I'm bound for the gulag if I live long enough.

105 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:27:08am

re: #103 BlueCanuck

freaking thing is almost prophecy

106 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:27:17am
107 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:27:49am
108 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:28:11am

re: #105 BabbaZee

freaking thing is almost prophecy

Who is to say it is not.

109 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:29:27am

re: #105 BabbaZee

Isn't it. They replace the G-d of the Bible with Henry Ford. Making him god of the modern world. Charing Cross road, now Charing Tee road, etc. . . . .

/consumption for the masses, drugs for the drones.

110 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:29:51am
111 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:30:04am

re: #109 BlueCanuck

Our Ford!

112 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:30:21am

re: #108 galloping granny

Not me lady

lol

113 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:33:20am
114 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:37:20am
For many years now, every time I arrive at Auschwitz, I get the same feeling. It appears to me that it wasn’t me who was here during this incredibly dark period, but rather, someone else whose story I heard at some point in life.


Even when I write a personal story from my past I have a feeling that I’m not talking about myself. However, this sense dissipates shortly thereafter, and again I remember well that it is indeed I who was here. I was the one who went through all the horrors. I was the one who survived against all odds – and certainly in contradiction to the Germans’ plans.

For many years now I’ve been asking myself the same question. How could apparent human beings, who managed a completely normal private life, carry out the horrors that could not be described in words? How could they be so cruel?

For many years now I’ve been thinking about those Germans who worked at Auschwitz and at other extermination camps. How could it be that every evening the officers returned to their villas outside the camp, kissed their wife and kids, and sat down for dinner with their family? How did they stroke their cat and play with their dog – as I saw with my own eyes many times when I passed by them on my way to doing more hard labor.

In the morning, these officers went back to their job: The extermination of thousands of Jews.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

115 chief long name  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:38:59am

re: #112 BabbaZee

Was that you what hid my spectacles this morning?

116 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:39:26am

Morning Lizards,

Home sick again today, can't seem to shake this cold..

117 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:40:03am

Ah I'm back! We're in Djibouti, and since I'm the Duty Engineer tonight, I think I'm just about the only one on board right now (in the engine dep't anyway).

118 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:40:45am

re: #115 chief long name

yea LOL
sorry

119 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:42:33am

Good morning all. Looks to be a beautiful day on the outer edge of the "City too busy to hate but does it anyway." High around 80, a few fluffy clouds and a pleasant breeze.

Babba! Thanks for the updates yesterday; I sent a brief response. I was in meetings all day yesterday. It was a busy and somewhat stressful day.

How's everyone today?

120 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:42:35am

re: #117 Hengineer

Shake Djibouti!

121 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:42:39am

More on the Hawaii Palace Take Over

[Link: www.hawaiireporter.com...]

122 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:43:02am

re: #119 Lucius Septimius

{Lucius}

Everything old is new again.
And not in a good way.

LOL

123 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:43:26am
124 chief long name  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:43:39am

re: #101 BabbaZee

I dint know you stuttered...

125 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:43:42am

re: #120 BabbaZee

Shake Djibouti!

/snicker

As I remind you I can't watch youtube, I'm at least grateful you're pronouncing it right (Ja-booty).

I keep looking around for Djiboutis and Djiboobies, too.

126 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:44:00am
127 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:44:21am

re: #125 Hengineer

/snicker

As I remind you I can't watch youtube, I'm at least grateful you're pronouncing it right (Ja-booty).

I keep looking around for Djiboutis and Djiboobies, too.

why can't you watch YouTube?

128 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:44:22am
129 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:45:01am

re: #126 ploome hineni

cool

you are on a ship?

Yea, as some of the lizards know already, I'm on the USNS Kanawha, a fleet replenishment oiler that is on deployment in the Indian Ocean ready to support the US Navy's mission to thwart pirates off the coast of Africa.

130 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:45:18am

re: #125 Hengineer

Here try this

131 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:45:34am

re: #128 rightside

Hey, Hengineer!

Shake shake shake,
shake shake shake,
shake Djibouti

Babba beat you to it! =-P

132 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:45:42am

re: #128 rightside

You just too slow son

lol

133 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:46:07am

re: #124 chief long name

Yea, me and Moses.
Bad tempers too.

LOL

134 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:46:24am

re: #127 galloping granny

why can't you watch YouTube?

IP Blocked from US Navy ship servers, probably for bandwidth.

/communist internet.

135 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:46:27am

Later folks, the night has come to an end and I must crawl back into my cave. Have fun.

/curse you evil day star.
//night shift lament.

136 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:46:45am
137 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:47:00am

re: #129 Hengineer

Yea, as some of the lizards know already, I'm on the USNS Kanawha, a fleet replenishment oiler that is on deployment in the Indian Ocean ready to support the US Navy's mission to thwart pirates off the coast of Africa.

Seems to me that thwarting pirates off the coast of Africa was one of the very first missions of the US Navy. Two hundred years later we're still at it. . .

138 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:47:20am

re: #132 BabbaZee

Yeah,

My first time...cut me some slack

139 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:47:29am

re: #130 BabbaZee

just letting you know its at least loading, but have patience pretty lady, it might pop up to let me watch or it might spit back "you capitalist pig wanting more bandwidth! No more pie for you!"

140 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:47:49am

re: #134 Hengineer

IP Blocked from US Navy ship servers, probably for bandwidth.

/communist internet.

I would bet more likely so folks aren't accidentally uploading things they shouldn't. . .

141 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:48:19am

re: #132 BabbaZee

You just too slow son

lol

You have to get up really early to beat Babbala!

GOOD MORNING, LIZARDS! What else is shakin' besides Djibouti and southern California?

142 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:48:29am

re: #137 galloping granny

Seems to me that thwarting pirates off the coast of Africa was one of the very first missions of the US Navy. Two hundred years later we're still at it. . .

yea, but different coast. That was north/western. This is Eastern.

143 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:48:45am

re: #138 rightside

Okeedokee


Slack.

{rightside}

144 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:48:49am
Russia’s dominance in oil and natural gas is now being used “to project hegemony over its neighbors, from the Far East (energy-starved China and Japan) to Europe in the west, and attempting to control transit (pipeline) countries such as Ukraine and Belarus.” Communism, Soviet-style, is back in power in Russia under Putin while America “has been helplessly watching Russia’s re-emergence.”

At the heart of this new threat to America’s role in the world is oil and natural gas. Unless Americans begin to understand the geopolitics of energy—and soon—a lifestyle we have taken for granted is going to be severely impacted.

This explains why we have 160,000 troops in Iraq in a vain attempt to have some sway over its oil industry, why we have carrier groups parked just off the Persian Gulf fearing a nuclear-armed Iran, and why we will sell Saudi Arabia any military hardware it wants while continuing to guarantee the sovereignty of oil sheikdoms like Kuwait and the UAE.

What it does not explain is why our government has done everything in its power to thwart the exploration, discovery, and extraction of our own energy assets.

[Link: www.newmediajournal.us...]

145 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:49:21am

re: #139 Hengineer

I like pie!

146 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:49:23am

Thucydides' take on "hope"

"Hope, danger's comforter, may be indulged in by those who have abundant resources, if not without loss at all events without ruin; but its nature is to be extravagant, and those who go so far as to put their all upon the venture see it in its true colors only when they are ruined"

Peloponnesian War, 5.103

147 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:50:33am

re: #140 galloping granny

I would bet more likely so folks aren't accidentally uploading things they shouldn't. . .

yea probably.

My little sister made it on one of those "music videos" done by an air detachment. look up Shania Twain's "That Don't Impress me much" on youtube, and look for the women of the Ronald Reagan version.

Apparently they all got in trouble "officially" because they showed the "door" to reactor. The office and classrooms don't matter, that they showed the "do not enter" door to reactor, a bunch of big wigs got all upset.

148 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:50:44am

re: #143 BabbaZee

moonbats taking over the Hawaiian governmental palace. not much else

149 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:51:05am

Good Morning Lizards.

Cougar Shot in Chicago came from South Dakota.

The 124-pound cougar that ended up in Roscoe Village last month may have started its life nearly 1,000 miles away in South Dakota. And the big cat -- the first cougar found in Cook County since at least 1855 -- definitely passed through southern Wisconsin as it wandered toward Chicago.

DNA testing shows the young male cougar shot by police April 14 is the same animal that was chased out of an abandoned barn near Milton, Wis., in January, Cook County officials said Wednesday.

Apparently this big cat wandered across several states, looking for a mate:

While more testing will be done to try to pinpoint the cat's origins, it's clear the cougar -- estimated to be about 2 years old -- traveled a long way in unfamiliar territory in its short life.

The reason? The young cat likely was forced out of the region where he was born by older, dominant males -- and took to the road to search for a mate.

"He kept moving because there were no females," said Bruce Patterson, curator of mammals at the Field Museum. "They have to keep moving until they find lady cougars."

I think he was headed for the meat markets on Rush Street.

150 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:51:54am
151 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:52:39am

re: #149 3 wood

Good Morning Lizards.

Cougar Shot in Chicago came from South Dakota.

I think he was headed for the meat markets on Rush Street.

If he was looking for *lady cougars* he should have gone to Hollyweird.....

152 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:52:42am

Hey

I just got called a fascist via e-mail
by a disgruntled banned poster.

WOO HOO

first time today!

153 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:52:53am

re: #145 BabbaZee

Y'know, my six year old saw that and immediately started singing the "Badger" song. He's seen it once and already has the cursed thing memorized.

154 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:53:25am

re: #150 Hengineer

So the next time some right-wing extemist asks if you're a socialist, just smile and say, "I like pie".

laughing!

155 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:53:27am

re: #149 3 wood

Note - for those not familar with Rush Street in Chicago, this is an area of many bars where people go to find, ummm, companionship.

156 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:54:23am

re: #153 Lucius Septimius

Y'know, my six year old saw that and immediately started singing the "Badger" song. He's seen it once and already has the cursed thing memorized.

I used to teach my little sister this way
I would make up asinine songs, wear hats, act like an ass, and reduce everything to just a few words

it's why they can recall "rap" so well too

157 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:54:31am

re: #152 BabbaZee

Hey

I just got called a fascist via e-mail
by a disgruntled banned poster.

WOO HOO

first time today!

YOU got called a fascist? Somebody better dig up a dictionary.

158 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:54:33am

re: #155 3 wood

eww!

159 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:54:35am

re: #152 BabbaZee

Hey

I just got called a fascist via e-mail
by a disgruntled banned poster.

WOO HOO

first time today!

Today? is that a regular occurence?

160 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:55:19am

re: #153 Lucius Septimius

Have you seen the llama song?

161 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:55:26am

re: #157 galloping granny

YOU got called a fascist? Somebody better dig up a dictionary.

I have been called a Fascist AND a Commie since the anti-jihad conference thing.

Oy - make up yer minds assholes

162 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:55:45am

re: #150 Hengineer

Socialism is your friend! (or how you should all like pie!)

That is great -- I just sent it to all my economist friends.

163 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:55:49am

re: #159 rightside

Today? is that a regular occurence?

Not regular but not irregular either

164 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:56:12am

re: #160 Hengineer

um....no....

165 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:56:40am

re: #163 BabbaZee

You know you are over the target, when you start taking a lot of flak...

166 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:56:43am

re: #152 BabbaZee

I just got called a fascist via e-mail
by a disgruntled banned poster.

WOO HOO

first time today!


I'm sure you will grieve long winter evenings over that.

167 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:57:14am

re: #161 BabbaZee

I have been called a Fascist AND a Commie since the anti-jihad conference thing.

Oy - make up yer minds assholes

well to those that are so left wing, even communists are right wing, I guess some communists can be fascists.

Either way, to be serious, you can be communist AND fascist. Fascism/anarchism is on an up/down scale while liberalism and conservatism is left/right.

Hell all the communists used fascism to get what they wanted anyway (We're the politburo, so I will do what is best for you because I am the politburo, so I have the right).

168 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:57:22am
169 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:57:37am

re: #166 3 wood

I'm sure you will grieve long winter evenings over that.

Are you kiddin'? She'll probably frame it and hang it on the wall!

/badge of honor!

170 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:57:57am

re: #164 Lucius Septimius

um....no....

ooh ooh i'll find it!

How about the peanut butter jelly time banana?

171 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:58:27am

re: #159 rightside

Today? is that a regular occurence?

Babba has what you might call a fan club, of sorts.

172 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:58:40am

re: #156 BabbaZee

My dad used to make up silly songs all the time; I do it, and now he does. It's a family tradition

173 The Other Les  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:58:40am

re: #161 BabbaZee

I have been called a Fascist AND a Commie since the anti-jihad conference thing.

Oy - make up yer minds assholes

I've been called the embodiment of all evil on Earth.

174 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:58:47am

re: #168 BabbaZee


Cougar came a long way, Grammy.

Haven't heard this one in a long time! :>)

/fond memories

175 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:58:49am

re: #167 Hengineer

LOL
Problem is when you beyond the categories
everyone tries to claim you as their own

On religion they are even more confused and angry at me

BWAHA

176 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:58:57am

re: #171 3 wood

Babba has what you might call a fan club, of sorts.

LOL!

177 yochanan  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:58:57am

re: #137 galloping granny

Seems to me that thwarting pirates off the coast of Africa was one of the very first missions of the US Navy. Two hundred years later we're still at it. . .


BACK THEN THEY WERE MUSLIMS TOO.

178 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:59:13am

re: #168 BabbaZee

You play everything I grew up listening to...amazing

179 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:59:20am

Problem is when you STEP beyond the categories
everyone tries to claim you as their own

lost a word

180 theparson  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:59:25am

Charles,

Do you now or will you deliver LGF for Amazon's Kindle?

181 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:59:34am

re: #178 rightside

We are probably near the same age

182 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:00:10am

re: #171 3 wood

Babba has what you might call a fan banned club, of sorts.

/fixed it... LOL

183 LittleRed1  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:00:22am

Morning all. It's already 68 with a 30MPH wind out of the south. I think the weather frogs guess of only 20% chance of storms is a bit low.

184 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:00:24am

re: #173 The Other Les

I've been called the embodiment of all evil on Earth.

Hey! we must be related!

185 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:00:50am

re: #181 BabbaZee

44 here

186 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:00:55am

re: #172 Lucius Septimius

My dad used to make up silly songs all the time; I do it, and now he does. It's a family tradition

Why am I not suprised, LOL!

187 TexasAC  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:01:04am

BabbaZee #56

The rising tide of color against white world-supremacy, 1920.

In 2008:

The Rev. Jeremiah White and his hootin' and hollerin' congregation have told me, as a white man, I am the enemy.

So be it...

188 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:01:05am

re: #185 rightside

44 here

We are exactly the same age

189 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:01:25am

re: #187 TexasAC

BabbaZee #56

The rising tide of color against white world-supremacy, 1920.

In 2008:

The Rev. Jeremiah White and his hootin' and hollerin' congregation have told me, as a white man, I am the enemy.

So be it...

Yup.

190 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:01:32am

re: #177 yochanan

BACK THEN THEY WERE MUSLIMS TOO.

yes indeedy.

Damned Barbary pirates, claimed they had the right to do it because we were all infidels as well.

191 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:01:36am

I took on a hill and I won!

192 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:01:57am

re: #188 BabbaZee

Aug 63..

193 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:02:05am

re: #177 yochanan

BACK THEN THEY WERE MUSLIMS TOO.

Yup, they sure were. In some of the same spots too.

194 LittleRed1  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:02:44am

"From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli" or Somalia as the case may be.

195 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:03:03am
196 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:03:08am

re: #187 TexasAC

BabbaZee #56

The rising tide of color against white world-supremacy, 1920.

In 2008:

The Rev. Jeremiah White and his hootin' and hollerin' congregation have told me, as a white man, I am the enemy.

So be it...

And that is just exactly what they said to every white person in this country - including those who nod sagely in the background.

197 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:03:31am

re: #182 Grammy Cracker

I think some of the socks are still around.

198 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:03:48am

Mornin' all. What is with the birthday stuff? Is there a lizard having a b-day today? If so, Happy Birthday!

199 MandyManners  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:04:02am

re: #190 Hengineer

yes indeedy.

Damned Barbary pirates, claimed they had the right to do it because we were all infidels as well.

I'm reading Michael Oren's book Power, Faith and Fantasy: America in the Middle East. Good stuff.

200 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:04:13am

re: #192 rightside

Aug 63..

Got me beat by a month -- September '63.

201 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:04:21am

re: #192 rightside

It was a very good year


LOLOLOLOL


STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!

202 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:04:28am

re: #197 3 wood

I think some of the socks are still around.

No doubt!

203 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:04:47am

re: #200 Lucius Septimius
Kids! Jan. '59.

204 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:05:17am

re: #199 MandyManners

That is a good book. I got it for my mom -- she loved it.

How're you?

205 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:05:25am

re: #191 storagemanager

Mazel Storage

206 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:05:47am

re: #196 galloping granny

And that is just exactly what they said to every white person in this country - including those who nod sagely in the background.

You must've read John McWhorter's "Winning the Race". It's an interesting read, and your "white people nodding sagely" is right out of his book.

He basically says that white liberals who created the welfare program didn't do it to help blacks, they did it to feel good about themselves, and the open-ended welfare program is more or less what destroyed the inner-city poor black communities.

207 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:05:57am

re: #197 3 wood

I think some of the socks are still around.

Wash day!

208 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:05:59am
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:56:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Priya.Venkatesan@Dartmouth.EDU To: “WRIT.005.17.18-WI08%u2033:;, Priya.Venkatesan@Dartmouth.EDU

Subject: WRIT.005.17.18-WI08: Possible lawsuit

Dear former class members of Science, Technology and Society: I tried to send an email through my server but got undelivered messages. I regret to inform you that I am pursuing a lawsuit in which I am accusing some of you (whom shall go unmentioned in this email) of violating Title VII of anti-federal [SIC] discrimination laws. The feeling that I am getting from the outside world is that Dartmouth is considered a bigoted place, so this may not be news and I may be successful in this lawsuit. I am also writing a book detailing my experiences as your instructor, which will “name names” so to speak. I have all of your evaluations and these will be reproduced in the book.

Have a nice day.

Priya

[Link: www.newenglishreview.org...]

209 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:06:25am

re: #206 Hengineer

Even more insidious than that

it is real racism

they NEED an oppressed under class as their CONVEYANCE

210 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:07:15am

re: #203 pingjockey

When Real gets her he can call YOU a kid
;~}
LOL

211 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:07:26am

re: #208 storagemanager

Ain't higher edumecation wonnerful!

212 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:08:30am

re: #195 BabbaZee

I agree!

213 MandyManners  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:08:40am

re: #204 Lucius Septimius

unnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh

214 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:08:53am

Hengy -

He basically says that white liberals who created the welfare program didn't do it to help blacks, they did it to feel good about themselves, and the open-ended welfare program is more or less what destroyed the inner-city poor black communities.

For the PAMPHLET TAKER
your description in the post is correct.

For the PAMPHLET MAKER
it is a matter of conscious oppression sold as liberalism

215 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:08:58am

re: #210 BabbaZee
Mwahaha! The 14 yr. old wanted to box the old man the other day. Oops! Old and and dirty tricks beat youth and enthusiasm every time.

216 yochanan  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:09:31am

re: #168 BabbaZee


Cougar came a long way, Grammy.

TWO OR FOUR LEGGED ONE?

217 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:09:34am

re: #212 rightside

Never heard that before

218 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:09:42am

PIMF=old age and dirty tricks. Gaah. More coffee!

219 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:09:50am

re: #216 yochanan

lol

220 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:10:04am

Don't know if this was linke dyet, but you can never get enough good news.

Another terrorist scumbag bites the dust.

Leader of al-Qaida in Somalia reportedly dies in airstrike

The American military launched an airstrike Thursday targeting the head of al-Qaida in Somalia, a U.S. defense official said. The head of an Islamic insurgent group said the attack killed its leader.

Islamist leader Aden Hashi Ayro, believed to be the head of al-Qaida in Somalia, was killed when the airstrike struck his house in the central Somali town of Dusamareeb, about 300 miles north of Mogadishu, said Sheik Muqtar Robow, a spokesman for the Islamic al-Shabab militia.

No word yet if Rev. Wright (Obama's spiritual leader) will officiate at the funeral.

221 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:10:15am

re: #200 Lucius Septimius

lol, I don't think it's a race! You have me by a month!

222 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:10:17am

re: #209 BabbaZee

Even more insidious than that

it is real racism

they NEED an oppressed under class as their CONVEYANCE

Exactly. Hell even those who claim to argue "for" blacks, by pointing the finger at all these outside sources, are showing how racist they are by implying that poor blacks can't help themselves.

(e.g., some arguments McWhorter says are just plain wrong: factories moving away, middle class blacks moving out of the ghetto into the 'burbs represents good role models leaving, etc...: Apparently blacks just can't help their situation because all the jobs have moved away, and all the good role models have moved out, so they just sit there and wallow....)

What's funny about all that, is he points out in ANOTHER book, how the author interviewed 3 young black women who moved to another state because they had better welfare benefits! If they can't move to get a better job, they how can they move to get better welfare benefits? (and let's not get into the Dust Bowl Migration, those people were poor, they had no money, no livelihood, but they were WHITE, so they were expected to follow the jobs).

223 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:10:35am

re: #207 Lucius Septimius

Hey Lucius, how's things by you?

224 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:10:51am

My dog had minor surgery on her leg last week...this morning she took out the stitches..oh bother..wife taking her to vet.

225 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:11:16am

re: #213 MandyManners

sorry to hear that, I think.

C'mon over. Beer's in the fridge and me and the boys are listening to Hank jr. this morning.

226 Widow'smight  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:11:18am

re: #188 BabbaZee

Youngins! Zee kits nadaz zink zay noa evryzing,but zay noa nazink.

for you young lady before I have to get mini-mom on the bus.

227 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:11:31am

re: #220 3 wood
High tech is a bitch ain't it hadji.

228 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:11:44am

By the way, Jammie, if you are out there, you got mail.

229 MandyManners  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:12:12am

re: #225 Lucius Septimius

sorry to hear that, I think.

C'mon over. Beer's in the fridge and me and the boys are listening to Hank jr. this morning.

I'm going back to bed once I get The Kid to school.

230 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:12:34am

PIMF..that I always forget about.

231 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:12:38am

re: #224 storagemanager

Sorry to hear that Storage. I had a dog some years ago that had knee surgery. Tough to recover fromt hat.

232 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:12:50am

re: #223 3 wood

Uneven. Classes over; exams on the horizon and I've got piles of papers to grade and "assessment" crap to wade through in the next couple of days. My colleagues are grumpy and engaged in open rebellion against the president -- I'm not joking.

233 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:13:00am

re: #214 BabbaZee

Hengy -

For the PAMPHLET TAKER
your description in the post is correct.

For the PAMPHLET MAKER
it is a matter of conscious oppression sold as liberalism

Winning the Race: Beyond the Crisis in Black America

234 MandyManners  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:13:40am

re: #232 Lucius Septimius

Uneven. Classes over; exams on the horizon and I've got piles of papers to grade and "assessment" crap to wade through in the next couple of days. My colleagues are grumpy and engaged in open rebellion against the president -- I'm not joking.

Do we need to send in troops?

235 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:13:44am

re: #232 Lucius Septimius
Change! Revolution is in the air!

236 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:14:30am

re: #152 BabbaZee

Hey

I just got called a fascist via e-mail
by a disgruntled banned poster.

WOO HOO

first time today!

Was it the troll who labeled my as Goebbles?

237 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:14:35am

Good morning, all...

Back by popular demand (well, not really), my lame joke from last night, in case you missed it:

What did the farmer say when he walked in on his brown chicken having sex with his brown cow in the barn?
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(sung to best pr0n theme tune): Brown chicken, brown cow...

238 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:14:39am

re: #227 pingjockey

High tech is a bitch ain't it hadji.

I like to think that the last thing that scum heard was a high pitched whine, signifying that it was "Uh-Oh time".

239 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:15:03am

re: #234 MandyManners

Perhaps. We'll see.

re: #235 pingjockey

Change! Revolution is in the air!

And I'm up on the barricades waving the black flag.

241 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:15:59am

re: #232 Lucius Septimius

Likewise. And if that isn't bad enough -- I have an all-day accreditation meeting next week.

I'm thinking I need to remove the loaded .38 I keep handy...

242 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:16:10am

re: #226 Widow'smight

{widow}
mwah

243 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:16:11am

re: #238 3 wood
Yep, now he's getting his 72 Madeline Albright clones as his just reward.

244 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:16:35am

Dang dog chews everything..even her own stitches

245 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:16:35am

re: #240 BabbaZee

thanks for the heads up, I'll email myself that link.

246 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:17:01am

re: #236 BulgarWheat

Was it the troll who labeled my as Goebbles?

LOL
I'm not sure....
I don't even remember who that was.

HEIL!

247 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:17:20am

re: #239 Lucius Septimius
Hahahaha! Is it high school or college?

248 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:17:28am

re: #245 Hengineer

They will try to kill that man.

249 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:17:31am

re: #246 BabbaZee

wah Heil yeah it coulda been.

250 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:18:39am

re: #245 Hengineer

be careful out there, Laddy. There be pirates in them waters...........arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

251 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:18:39am

re: #246 BabbaZee

Well, it is nice to be loved by a banned slime ball!

252 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:18:40am

re: #232 Lucius Septimius

Uneven. Classes over; exams on the horizon and I've got piles of papers to grade and "assessment" crap to wade through in the next couple of days. My colleagues are grumpy and engaged in open rebellion against the president -- I'm not joking.

Understood. I deal witht he same stuff.

I told some of my collegues the other day that if they spent as much time doing their jobs as they do standing around ripping the Dept Chairs and University President, a whole lot of their problems would evaporate. It was not well received.

Academics must be about the most unproductive, complaining bunch of whiners I've ever dealt with.

253 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:18:55am

BTW Herr Goebbels, that other maniac is still down on a week old thread talking shit about me too
LOLOLOLOLOL

254 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:19:14am

re: #251 pingjockey

Well, it is nice to be loved by a banned slime ball!

Not really.
LOL!

255 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:19:48am

re: #253 BabbaZee
It must be boring in moms basement.

256 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:19:48am

re: #241 christheprofessor

Likewise. And if that isn't bad enough -- I have an all-day accreditation meeting next week.

I'm thinking I need to remove the loaded .38 I keep handy...

I've got one of those next week; the assessment stuff is the preliminary. I think I've got some kind of meeting every day between now and graduation.

I keep thinking I should bring my 16 gauge pump action with me and just lay it on the table in front of me during the meetings.

257 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:19:56am

re: #253 BabbaZee

BTW Herr Goebbels, that other maniac is still down on a week old thread talking shit about me too
LOLOLOLOLOL

Doesn't it stick to the roof of his mouth?

258 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:20:02am

re: #253 BabbaZee

when they care enough to send the very best..............!

259 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:20:11am

re: #237 christheprofessor

OK
I'm a fascist moron.
I don't get it.

260 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:20:19am

re: #247 pingjockey

college

261 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:20:27am

re: #250 BulgarWheat

be careful out there, Laddy. There be pirates in them waters...........arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Awl thenk ya kindly sir!

262 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:20:32am

re: #258 BulgarWheat

when they care enough to send the very best..............!

More like

When they care enough to send the Hairy Beast

263 doriangrey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:20:46am

Good morning Lizards........

264 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:20:46am

re: #257 storagemanager

lol

265 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:20:47am

re: #259 BabbaZee

OK
I'm a fascist moron.
I don't get it.

fascist moron = oxymoron.

266 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:21:01am

re: #255 pingjockey

rotf

267 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:21:22am

re: #254 BabbaZee
Forgot the tag! It is an acknowledgement of sorts!

268 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:21:40am

re: #262 BabbaZee

the Feral Beasts Arise!

269 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:22:31am

Green at last...yes.

270 opnion  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:22:36am

I am sitting in the airport at the gate and on TV, Meredeth Viera is interviewing the Obamas.
When asked about Wright Michelle snapped, "I am tired of these distractions. It is time to nove on."
Uh huh, you know cause she said so.
It was not an Ozzie and Harriet moment.

271 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:22:52am

re: #268 BulgarWheat

the Feral Beasts Arise!

AAAAAA-oooooooOOOOOOOOOOOooooo!

272 doriangrey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:23:07am

re: #252 3 wood

Understood. I deal witht he same stuff.

I told some of my collegues the other day that if they spent as much time doing their jobs as they do standing around ripping the Dept Chairs and University President, a whole lot of their problems would evaporate. It was not well received.

Academics must be about the most unproductive, complaining bunch of whiners I've ever dealt with.


ROTFLMAO...........well as the old saying goes........Those that can, do... Those can cannot get tenure.....

273 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:23:10am

re: #270 opnion

michelle is a very scary gramscian beast

274 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:23:18am

re: #270 opnion

I am sitting in the airport at the gate and on TV, Meredeth Viera is interviewing the Obamas.
When asked about Wright Michelle snapped, "I am tired of these distractions. It is time to nove on."
Uh huh, you know cause she said so.
It was not an Ozzie and Harriet moment.

SHE WANTED A WAFFLE HONKY
STFU

275 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:23:35am

re: #256 Lucius Septimius

Ugh. The irony is that a lot (not all, though) of accreditation is pure BS. A shitload of hoops to jump through to satisfy a bunch of pompous assholes to get their stamp of approval.

276 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:23:35am

Morning Dorian
Lucius, get one of those .50 cannon handguns, have it lying there. Even with no ammo it makes a very good club!

277 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:23:36am

re: #206 Hengineer

You must've read John McWhorter's "Winning the Race". It's an interesting read, and your "white people nodding sagely" is right out of his book.

He basically says that white liberals who created the welfare program didn't do it to help blacks, they did it to feel good about themselves, and the open-ended welfare program is more or less what destroyed the inner-city poor black communities.

I actually have never read that, but I did spend some years administering a food bank for the feds. Had access to a lot of stuff about the food stamp program that most don't. I don't think McWhorter is right when he says that the Food Stamp program was created to let white liberals feel good about themselves, because I don't believe it was created by liberals.

At the time that the Food Stamp program was under discussion in the 60's in Congress, various people were called to testify. One of those people was the man who was then the Surgeon General of the US, whose job in that capacity is to provide expert medical opinion. A little-known fact about the Food Stamp program is that the diet that is used as the standard for how much food a family is allotted per month is the same diet that was used in Dachau. (See Hunger in America from Harvard School of Public Health, done in the late 70s.) The Surgeon General testified to Congress at that time that this diet was - and I'm going to put this in quotes because it is pretty darned close to exact - "This diet should never be used by an adult except in the direst of emergencies and then not for a period of more than 3 months. Children should never use this diet." Note that at the time the Food Stamp program was put in place most of the recipients were blacks. Note also that this was at about the same time as the struggle over civil rights was going on.

Since the 60s we have raised two entire generations on this Food Stamp diet that should never be used to feed a child for a single day. We have towns in this country where a full 50% of the children in town qualify for free or reduced priced school lunch - which also means that they qualify for food stamps. By definition, these children to not get adequate nutrition to support a growing/developing brain - Food Stamps does not allow them to have it. Unless you are an expert cook and an expert shopper, it is virtually impossible to feed children an adequate diet on a Food Stamp allotment. And no, the FS program's basic diet has not changed in all of these years. Every year the Census Bureau calculates an "average Market Basket" cost for that Food Stamp diet and some years Congress in their magnanimity will allow a small 2 or 3% increase in the FS allotment, but that is generally not even enough to cover the cost of living increase.

Brains that do not get adequate nutrition do not learn well. When you wonder why Johnny can't read and why inner city schools have such low test scores, you need look not one fraction of an inch further than the Food Stamp program that so many have been dependent on.

I do not buy Wright's assertion that the US Government developed AIDS to destroy black people, but I have asserted myself for 3 decades now that the Food Stamp program was deliberately designed to create an uneducated - perhaps uneducable - underclass of near serfs in this country.

278 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:24:03am
279 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:24:04am

re: #271 BabbaZee

where's Warren when you need him?

uh, never mind.

I loved Warren Zevon. The boy had some definite under-funk

280 beblebrox  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:24:15am

re: #224 storagemanager

My dog had minor surgery on her leg last week...this morning she took out the stitches..oh bother..wife taking her to vet.

our pup last month pulled his stitches out from being spayed 3 times. we even put one of those pants on him that they use for females in heat, which he actually chewed through. Luckily the wife is an RN and has a good supply of medical supplies. she ended up using surgical glue and steri-strips to hold him together.

281 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:24:36am
Beijing introduced sweeping new rules against smoking in public places Thursday in an effort to create a "smoke-free Olympics," state press said.
The new rules mean hotels and restaurants will for the first time have to offer smoke-free facilities in the Chinese capital, where dining venues are often filled with an acrid haze.

All public venues including fitness centres, offices, meeting rooms, toilets, and lifts in buildings must be completely smoke-free from Thursday, state news agency Xinhua said.

Authorities in the Chinese capital have hired 100,000 inspectors to enforce the ban, the news agency said.

People caught flouting the rules will be fined 10 yuan (1.4 dollars), and businesses face fines of up to 5,000 yuan, Xinhua said.

Olympic venues and facilities for the 10,500 competitors expected here for the August 8-24 Games are already under stringent smoking bans.

Originally officials wanted to introduce a broader ban making all Beijing bars and restaurants completely non-smoking, but owners fought back and the plan was dropped.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

282 doriangrey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:25:04am

re: #276 pingjockey

Morning Dorian
Lucius, get one of those .50 cannon handguns, have it lying there. Even with no ammo it makes a very good club!


Morning ping.... How did the interview go?

283 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:25:06am

re: #270 opnion

I am sitting in the airport at the gate and on TV, Meredeth Viera is interviewing the Obamas.
When asked about Wright Michelle snapped, "I am tired of these distractions. It is time to nove on."
Uh huh, you know cause she said so.
It was not an Ozzie and Harriet moment.

Well it would've been alright if she had been eating her Waffle&trade.

284 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:25:06am

re: #259 BabbaZee

The music in every pr0n flick ever made is: bow-chicka-bow-wow

285 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:25:14am

re: #252 3 wood

Academics must be about the most unproductive, complaining bunch of whiners I've ever dealt with.

For the most part, but in this case they have a point. It's the administrators who won't settle down to do their jobs and insist on meddling in day-to-day matters of faculty governance. The big boss is the closest thing to Captain Kweeg I've ever seen in real life -- he had no experience coming in and really has no clue what he's doing. So he micromanages, and when that fails, makes flip decisions without consulting anyone. It's a real mess.

286 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:25:15am

re: #279 BulgarWheat

where's Warren when you need him?

uh, never mind.

I loved Warren Zevon. The boy had some definite under-funk



Most Under Funky!

287 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:25:34am

re: #272 doriangrey

Morning Dorian!

288 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:25:38am

re: #284 christheprofessor

The music in every pr0n flick ever made is: bow-chicka-bow-wow

OH
that's why I didn't get it.

lololololololol

289 beblebrox  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:26:02am

#280 beblebrox

OOPS! not spayed, neutered. big difference.

290 yochanan  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:26:14am

ONE WAY
to see if the libs really believe in the gorebull warming propaganda is if they start supporting Nuke power plants as it is the one proven way to produce energy in a mass way with out adding to the co2 problem but it does make them choose between two different competing parts of the liberal religion.

291 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:26:40am

re: #277 galloping granny

McWhorter was talking about open ended welfare, not exactly food stamps although he did briefly mention them. He was discussing an open ended welfare program that pays greater than almost all entry level jobs that were open to inner city poor unskilled blacks.

292 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:26:50am

re: #288 BabbaZee

pretty much like any Disney film these days..........

293 doriangrey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:26:56am

re: #278 BabbaZee

{DORIAN!}

((BabbaZee))

294 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:27:44am

re: #272 doriangrey

Heh. As they say, those who can, do; those who cannot, teach; those who cannot teach, teach education.

295 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:27:54am

re: #270 opnion

I am sitting in the airport at the gate and on TV, Meredeth Viera is interviewing the Obamas.
When asked about Wright Michelle snapped, "I am tired of these distractions. It is time to nove on."
Uh huh, you know cause she said so.
It was not an Ozzie and Harriet moment.


bitch got Marty Feldman eyes

STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!

296 doriangrey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:28:09am

re: #287 rightside

Morning Dorian!

Good moring rightside......

297 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:28:15am

re: #293 doriangrey

I LOVE that album

298 beblebrox  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:28:32am

re: #294 christheprofessor

Heh. As they say, those who can, do; those who cannot, teach; those who cannot teach, teach education.

those who cannot teach education teach gym.

299 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:29:19am

re: #282 doriangrey
Ok, I think. Had 4 interviewers. The only thing I sucked at was knowing about microwave communications. Following Mandys advice I dropped a thank you note yesterday. Had never heard of doing that. Had to laugh at one question, "can you climb towers, sometimes in excess of 100 feet?" I have been up a ships mast while at sea! The ship was only 55 feet wide, so you have ship under you then water. What a blast.

300 doriangrey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:29:20am

re: #294 christheprofessor

Heh. As they say, those who can, do; those who cannot, teach; those who cannot teach, teach education.


ROTFLMAO.......Right you are sir....... /ducks from Lucius......

301 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:29:20am
302 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:29:48am

Beware of Planetudinous Ponderosity!

303 GGMac  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:30:10am

"Morning, Lizards...hooray, hooray - the first of May...outdoor screwin' starts today!

304 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:30:29am

GGMac lol

305 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:30:33am

re: #275 christheprofessor

Ugh. The irony is that a lot (not all, though) of accreditation is pure BS. A shitload of hoops to jump through to satisfy a bunch of pompous assholes to get their stamp of approval.

I keep telling people that what they want to see is
1) you have a process
2) you can document using the process
If you can do that for all of your decision making and execution of policies, they're satisfied.

My area passed with flying colors, almost entirely because I make a point of documenting everything.

Most people are not very self-conscious when it comes to planning, decision making, and execution. What I keep telling them, particularly about assessment, is "you are doing this all the time; what you're not doing is keeping records of what you're doing or of doing it on any kind of regular schedule. Do those two things and you'll be fine."

306 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:30:39am

re: #303 GGMac

I never heard it put that way before.

307 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:31:07am

re: #298 beblebrox

those who cannot teach education teach gym.

And those who can't teach gym become administrators.

308 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:31:11am

re: #303 GGMac
Some places in the Rockies you might want a tent! Up to a foot of snow!

309 doriangrey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:31:28am

re: #297 BabbaZee

I LOVE that album


Me too, although more and more it seems to be a guilty pleasure, its soo teeny booper bubble gum, and I aint gettin no younger.... lol...lol...lol...

310 beblebrox  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:31:29am

re: #303 GGMac

"Morning, Lizards...hooray, hooray - the first of May...outdoor screwin' starts today!

What do the neighbors think of this? do they take pictures, or do you have a privacy fence?

/sorry i couldn't resist

311 Macker  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:31:47am

re: #27 Jim in Virginia

Morning all.
Way too much work going on. Other than that life is good.
We have the good fortune to be designing a data center for the state owned (well, actually, it's a family business) oil company in a very large, sandy, unnamed Middle Eastern country.
We're spending their money as fast as we can.

You're not going to design any back doors into the data center, are you?

GOOD MORNING LIZARDS!

312 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:32:12am

re: #305 Lucius Septimius
Exactly, write it down, document everything. Bury the bastards in paper!

313 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:32:45am

re: #311 Macker

'ello macker, ggmac

314 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:33:08am

re: #309 doriangrey

Me too, although more and more it seems to be a guilty pleasure, its soo teeny booper bubble gum, and I aint gettin no younger.... lol...lol...lol...

I LOVE lots of bubblegum
and I don't care who knows it

315 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:33:33am

Isn't today Int'l Commie day?

316 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:33:59am

re: #312 pingjockey

Exactly, write it down, document everything. Bury the bastards in paper!

Or in my case, emails, Word documents, Excel sheets, and .pdf files.

317 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:34:20am

re: #312 pingjockey

Exactly, write it down, document everything. Bury the bastards in paper!

that's the problem, beauracrats LOVE to be buried in paper. If they have paperwork to do, they are happier than a fat kid in a candy store.

318 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:34:33am

re: #303 GGMac

"Morning, Lizards...hooray, hooray - the first of May...outdoor screwin' starts today!

I'll tell the wife that when she gets home. Which reminds me ... I need to go cut the grass.

319 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:34:45am

re: #315 pingjockey

visit any university in the land,...........lefty chomsheyites at every turn (except for our lizards, but I'm not telling them anything they don't already know)

320 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:34:45am

Morning Macker

321 Macker  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:35:03am

re: #295 BabbaZee

Her conduct is SO unbecoming of a potential First Lady. That's all I'm gonna say....

You know where to be at 9:00 PM Eastern, right BabbaZee!

322 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:35:17am

re: #316 Lucius Septimius
There you go. When I had to write evals, they wanted the disc plus 3 paper copies! Why, it was uncle sams navy!

323 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:35:18am

re: #321 Macker

Her conduct is SO unbecoming of a potential First Lady. That's all I'm gonna say....

You know where to be at 9:00 PM Eastern, right BabbaZee!

I do!

324 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:35:27am

re: #314 BabbaZee

I LOVE lots of bubblegum
and I don't care who knows it

I'll see your bubblegum and raise you one, little woman....

/I was gonna marry him..... LOL

325 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:35:51am

re: #322 pingjockey

Worst. System. Ever.

326 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:36:51am

Macker I only hope I can be there

The other human in the house are home at that time
and he resents me going on line when he is home and want me to play with him
Hopefully he will have a project in the garage tonight
lololololol

327 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:36:52am

re: #291 Hengineer

I saw a post on another blog a week or two ago that said (paraphrasing):

In this day and age, virtually all jobs require a high school diploma, at a minimum. We provide, at no cost to themselves, a free education through high school to every and all people. If they choose not to avail themselves of that, we, as a society, should feel no need to support them thereafter.

People make mistakes, and if a high school dropout chooses to rectify the mistake of dropping out -- great, let's help him or her. But no welfare for able-bodied high school dropouts.

Truly disabled people we help, of course. We are a generous society, after all. But no welfare for able-bodied high school dropouts.

328 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:37:42am

re: #325 rightside
I wonder what fucking genius came up with it? I think they have a office in the Pentagon(monument to Murphys law) for dumbest ideas ever!

329 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:38:14am

re: #324 Grammy Cracker

Grammy, LOL!

I had a crush on Yul Brynner then
I kid you not

Yes I was always this strange

LOL

330 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:38:32am

re: #328 pingjockey

Mr. Murphy lives in a five sided building.

331 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:38:45am

re: #327 christheprofessor

I saw a post on another blog a week or two ago that said (paraphrasing):

In this day and age, virtually all jobs require a high school diploma, at a minimum. We provide, at no cost to themselves, a free education through high school to every and all people. If they choose not to avail themselves of that, we, as a society, should feel no need to support them thereafter.

People make mistakes, and if a high school dropout chooses to rectify the mistake of dropping out -- great, let's help him or her. But no welfare for able-bodied high school dropouts.

Truly disabled people we help, of course. We are a generous society, after all. But no welfare for able-bodied high school dropouts.

A-frickin-men.

I'm glad there's no open-ended welfare anymore (I think?)

332 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:38:51am

Gotta go! Bye lizards, have a good day!

333 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:39:17am

re: #330 BulgarWheat
Fer sure.

334 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:39:33am

re: #328 pingjockey

It was some Capt. I can't remember his name... But there is no just system for fairly evaluating that many people, IMHO.

Triple Freq ODT

335 doriangrey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:39:43am

re: #305 Lucius Septimius

I keep telling people that what they want to see is
1) you have a process
2) you can document using the process
If you can do that for all of your decision making and execution of policies, they're satisfied.

My area passed with flying colors, almost entirely because I make a point of documenting everything.

Most people are not very self-conscious when it comes to planning, decision making, and execution. What I keep telling them, particularly about assessment, is "you are doing this all the time; what you're not doing is keeping records of what you're doing or of doing it on any kind of regular schedule. Do those two things and you'll be fine."

Hmmm, seems we have a Vogan administrator in our midst..........

336 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:40:07am

re: #324 Grammy Cracker

I remember my sister glued to the set to watch "here come the brides."

337 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:41:22am

re: #298 beblebrox

Heh. An excellent addition...

338 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:41:31am

re: #291 Hengineer

McWhorter was talking about open ended welfare, not exactly food stamps although he did briefly mention them. He was discussing an open ended welfare program that pays greater than almost all entry level jobs that were open to inner city poor unskilled blacks.

The Food Stamp program is part and parcel of the Welfare program. BTW, in most states welfare does not pay more than an entry level job and it never has. This is a myth that has been used along with the stereotype of the "typical black welfare cheat with a dozen kids" to turn public opinion away from providing anything for the poor. The aggregate of a housing allowance (which only about 5-10% of welfare recipients have ever had access to), Food Stamps, medicaid and cash allowance often will add up to more than an entry level job with no benefits might provide, but that is hardly the same thing.

Where the welfare program has always fallen down on the job is not in the open-endedness or "generosity" (in many states these days you cannot even rent a single room on what Welfare provides) but in the ridiculous rules that historically have forced people to stay on welfare. Things like no clothing allowance for Mom. The kids each get $100-150 a year for clothing (Dress a kid on that, I dare you!), but not a penny even for a pair of new underwear for Mom, to say nothing of clothes to wear to work. No dental care for adults. Value limits on cars that make it impossible to own a car reliable enough to get to work in.

339 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:41:42am

re: #332 pingjockey

Gotta go! Bye lizards, have a good day!

later there mr pinger

340 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:42:08am

re: #335 doriangrey

Hmmm, seems we have a Vogan administrator in our midst..........

When dealing with administrators, one has to adopt certain Vogan customs. If all else fails, I'll read them some of my poetry.

341 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:42:21am

re: #329 BabbaZee

Grammy, LOL!

I had a crush on Yul Brynner then
I kid you not

Yes I was always this strange

LOL

I always thought Yul was kinda hot. So let it be written, so let it be done and all. Oh, and Omar Sharif.... yowsa!

/still likes me some older man (well, Grandpa Cracker IS older). LOL

342 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:42:41am

re: #338 galloping granny

The Food Stamp program is part and parcel of the Welfare program. BTW, in most states welfare does not pay more than an entry level job and it never has. This is a myth that has been used along with the stereotype of the "typical black welfare cheat with a dozen kids" to turn public opinion away from providing anything for the poor. The aggregate of a housing allowance (which only about 5-10% of welfare recipients have ever had access to), Food Stamps, medicaid and cash allowance often will add up to more than an entry level job with no benefits might provide, but that is hardly the same thing.

Where the welfare program has always fallen down on the job is not in the open-endedness or "generosity" (in many states these days you cannot even rent a single room on what Welfare provides) but in the ridiculous rules that historically have forced people to stay on welfare. Things like no clothing allowance for Mom. The kids each get $100-150 a year for clothing (Dress a kid on that, I dare you!), but not a penny even for a pair of new underwear for Mom, to say nothing of clothes to wear to work. No dental care for adults. Value limits on cars that make it impossible to own a car reliable enough to get to work in.

Wait, are you talking about MODERN welfare? or the welfare BEFORE the reforms were passed in the '90s?

343 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:43:10am

re: #341 Grammy Cracker

I always thought Yul was kinda hot. So let it be written, so let it be done and all. Oh, and Omar Sharif.... yowsa!

/still likes me some older man (well, Grandpa Cracker IS older). LOL

et cetera! et cetera! et cetera!

344 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:43:32am

re: #336 Lucius Septimius

I remember my sister glued to the set to watch "here come the brides."

Are you my brother?

LOL

345 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:43:45am

re: #341 Grammy Cracker

My taste in men always ran oldster.

346 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:44:01am

re: #327 christheprofessor

I saw a post on another blog a week or two ago that said (paraphrasing):

In this day and age, virtually all jobs require a high school diploma, at a minimum. We provide, at no cost to themselves, a free education through high school to every and all people. If they choose not to avail themselves of that, we, as a society, should feel no need to support them thereafter.

People make mistakes, and if a high school dropout chooses to rectify the mistake of dropping out -- great, let's help him or her. But no welfare for able-bodied high school dropouts.

Truly disabled people we help, of course. We are a generous society, after all. But no welfare for able-bodied high school dropouts.

We do not and never have provided welfare to high school dropouts - except criminals. That is a separate program called "General Relief."

347 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:44:05am

re: #342 Hengineer

Because that's the welfare McWhorter was talking about. He was discussing young girls getting pregnant @ 16, and just living out their lives on the government dole (and this starting happening around 1960 or so)

348 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:44:17am

re: #344 Grammy Cracker

Are you my brother?

LOL

Maybe ... that and Wild, Wild, West.

349 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:44:36am

re: #347 Hengineer

Concurrent with birth control pills

the whorification of women

351 GGMac  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:45:33am

re: #310 beblebrox

Well...........last year on May 1st I posted a photo of a he-gecko (sp) and a she-gecko doing the deed on our tool shed. The look on his face was pure lasciviousness - hers was "whatever". Took the photo in 1992 when we lived in South Carolina - so those lizzies are long gone. Don't know how to post the photo now - last year my son put it on his site, and I linked to it; but he doesn't have the site anymore.

The photo hangs here above my 'puter!

352 ibmkeyboard  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:45:33am

Another one bites the dust.

MOGADISHU, Somalia - The American military launched an airstrike Thursday targeting the head of al-Qaida in Somalia, a U.S. defense official said. The head of an Islamic insurgent group said the attack killed its leader.
Islamist leader Aden Hashi Ayro, believed to be the head of al-Qaida in Somalia, was killed when the airstrike struck his house in the central Somali town of Dusamareeb, about 300 miles north of Mogadishu, said Sheik Muqtar Robow, a spokesman for the Islamic al-Shabab militia.

Another commander and seven others were also killed, Robow said. Six more people were wounded, two of whom later died, said resident Abdullahi Nor.

"Our brother martyr Aden Hashi, has received what he was looking for — death for the sake of Allah

353 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:45:34am

re: #345 BabbaZee

My taste in men always ran oldster.

Yeah, me too. Grandpa's got me by 16 years....

354 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:46:07am

re: #353 Grammy Cracker

Mr. Babba by 9, but he was my youngest LOL

355 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:46:36am

re: #305 Lucius Septimius

In my experience, you are exactly correct, though the assessment part needs to be added.

One would think that successful graduates would be enough to document proper teaching...

And yet, our public schools (not colleges or universities, with some exceptions) continue to graduate borderline illiterates (in both communications and math), with little to no real accountability whatsoever. It really gets discouraging sometimes.

356 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:47:00am

re: #349 BabbaZee

Concurrent with birth control pills

the whorification of women

Actually he kinda discusses the birth control aspect. What I remember reading last, he was discussing the girls who wanted to join the "baby club". He's not faulting the girls, because its all they saw, its all they did. You just got pregnant young, and maybe had a man living with you, maybe not, but just got pregnant and got the Government check.

Remember granny, this is NOT modern times post-welfare reform. He is discussing welfare from 1960-1996? (I don't remember when welfare reforms were passed, I was just barely in high school)

357 beblebrox  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:47:08am

re: #338 galloping granny

The Food Stamp program is part and parcel of the Welfare program. BTW, in most states welfare does not pay more than an entry level job and it never has. This is a myth that has been used along with the stereotype of the "typical black welfare cheat with a dozen kids" to turn public opinion away from providing anything for the poor. The aggregate of a housing allowance (which only about 5-10% of welfare recipients have ever had access to), Food Stamps, medicaid and cash allowance often will add up to more than an entry level job with no benefits might provide, but that is hardly the same thing.

Where the welfare program has always fallen down on the job is not in the open-endedness or "generosity" (in many states these days you cannot even rent a single room on what Welfare provides) but in the ridiculous rules that historically have forced people to stay on welfare. Things like no clothing allowance for Mom. The kids each get $100-150 a year for clothing (Dress a kid on that, I dare you!), but not a penny even for a pair of new underwear for Mom, to say nothing of clothes to wear to work. No dental care for adults. Value limits on cars that make it impossible to own a car reliable enough to get to work in.

perhaps the only thing Lenin ever got right: "those who do not work, do not eat."

358 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:47:14am
359 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:47:40am

re: #331 Hengineer

A-frickin-men.

I'm glad there's no open-ended welfare anymore (I think?)

Why? You still pay for day care for the children of the mothers that have been forced to take minimum wage jobs. Most of the time, the day care for the kids costs more than the parent ever collected in a welfare check by FAR.

Here in Vermont & NH the cash grant for a mother with one child on welfare is about $450 a month. That amount of money will not rent even a room anywhere in either state, BTW. Day care for that one child runs $125-175 per week, 4.3 weeks per welfare month. You do the math. Are you the taxpayer getting a bargain?

360 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:48:26am
361 beblebrox  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:48:32am

re: #351 GGMac

Well...........last year on May 1st I posted a photo of a he-gecko (sp) and a she-gecko doing the deed on our tool shed. The look on his face was pure lasciviousness - hers was "whatever". Took the photo in 1992 when we lived in South Carolina - so those lizzies are long gone. Don't know how to post the photo now - last year my son put it on his site, and I linked to it; but he doesn't have the site anymore.

The photo hangs here above my 'puter!

get a free Photobucket account. it's a real quick and dirty way to link photos online.

362 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:49:11am
363 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:49:47am

re: #359 galloping granny

I pay California state taxes...

364 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:49:56am

re: #358 BabbaZee

Lou Graham Akbar !

Since I am a typical bitter, white, God-loving, gun-clinging Midwesterner, this is the only Foreigner I like! LOL

365 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:50:05am

re: #349 BabbaZee

Concurrent with birth control pills

the whorification of women

It's called "community of women." Socialists have been preaching that since the Levellers in the 1600s.

366 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:50:20am
367 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:50:22am

re: #363 Hengineer

I pay California state taxes...

My condolences....

368 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:50:43am

re: #365 Lucius Septimius

Bingo as usual

369 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:50:55am

re: #355 christheprofessor

It really gets discouraging sometimes.

Yes it does, and especially at this time of year.

370 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:52:03am

re: #342 Hengineer

Wait, are you talking about MODERN welfare? or the welfare BEFORE the reforms were passed in the '90s?

I'm talking about both. The only "reforms" that were passed were limits on the length of time any one given individual could collect Welfare. Before 95 many thousands of "welfare mothers" (most of whom, at least outside the cities, were neither black nor unwed mothers but divorcees who had been housewives all of their married lives) collected welfare just long enough to gain a college degree. After 95, welfare recipients are not allowed to attend college.

371 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:52:17am

re: #361 beblebrox

[Link: www.freeimagehost.eu...]
[Link: www.imagebam.com...]

Both good image hosts, run by the same guy.

372 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:52:21am

re: #346 galloping granny

I don't have the stats or the welfare applications in front of me, but I'm willing to bet my retirement that there is an assload of HS dropouts on welfare as I type this.

373 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:53:03am

Rockefeller's descendants tell Exxon to face the reality of climate change

REALITY!
The climate changes.
Every fucking MINUTE.

374 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:53:04am

re: #13 littleoldlady

Welcome to the early morning dog-and-pony show!

/what are you doing up up early?!

I'm always up that early. I just don't always peek in on LGF before I leave home for work.

375 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:53:30am

James TEEEEE!

376 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:54:25am

re: #373 BabbaZee

Agreed!

377 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:54:27am

re: #370 galloping granny

you seem quick to point out the people who weren't black.

I was focusing on McWhorter's arguments. He points out that the detractors who claim welfare isn't a black problem point that out a lot. He then brings up the "per capita" population, as to what % of the black population of America is on welfare, compared to those that aren't. He then says that those very same people point out the "per capita" population of prisons readily, but then seem to neglect to use the same per capita statistics with welfare.

378 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:54:58am

re: #30 Jim in Virginia

Ack, I need more coffee. That was supposed to be,
Apropos of nothing, a Groucho Marx quote.

Must we quote Marx on May Day?

379 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:55:07am

re: #374 JamesTKirk

I'm always up that early. I just don't always peek in on LGF before I leave home for work.

Heard *your* interview with our local radio host, Frank Beckmann, yesterday. You were friggin' hilarious!

380 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:55:13am

re: #375 BabbaZee

James TEEEEE!

Babba ZEEEEE!

381 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:55:18am
382 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:56:27am

re: #378 JamesTKirk

Must we quote Marx on May Day?

Say the secret word and win $50

383 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:56:39am

re: #379 Grammy Cracker

Heard *your* interview with our local radio host, Frank Beckmann, yesterday. You were friggin' hilarious!

“I don’t plan to die, I’m having too much fun. As far as I’m concerned, it’s not going to happen.” -The Shat

384 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:57:10am

#377 Hengineer 5/01/08 5:54:27 am reply quote report 0

re: #370 galloping granny

you seem quick to point out the people who weren't black.

If it's factual, what does it matter if she points it out right away or waits until later in the discussion?

385 SecondComing  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:57:14am

Did anyone see the skit Conan O'Brien did last night of Jeremiah Wright? Hilarious! I looked for a clip of it on youtube at home but no one has it up yet. It's blocked here at work, so I can't check.

Wright: "GD America, CG North America, CG South America, GD American Idol, GD America's next top model, GD American Tail, GD Fieval goes West"

386 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:57:33am

re: #20 The Other Les

Today is May Day. ... Let us remember the victims of Communism and work to prevent any further destruction of lives and civilization.

Linky no worky. :(

387 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:57:47am

re: #369 Lucius Septimius

Yup. I've got a stack of term papers to go through, and I'm dreading it.

388 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:58:04am

re: #356 Hengineer

Actually he kinda discusses the birth control aspect. What I remember reading last, he was discussing the girls who wanted to join the "baby club". He's not faulting the girls, because its all they saw, its all they did. You just got pregnant young, and maybe had a man living with you, maybe not, but just got pregnant and got the Government check.

Remember granny, this is NOT modern times post-welfare reform. He is discussing welfare from 1960-1996? (I don't remember when welfare reforms were passed, I was just barely in high school)

I was not talking primarily about modern welfare. The dude is simply flat wrong about the welfare programs in this country - either before or after "reform." He is frankly blowing smoke through his ass!

And NOBODY that I have ever heard of has every once paid any attention at all to that crap of having a baby to get a government check. Having a child makes an at-best, in the most generous of states $50 a month difference in the Welfare check and less than that in Food Stamps.

And Medicaid (all Welfare recipients get Medicaid) pays for birth control. Always has done. The only incident that I have ever known of where it didn't was a pharmacist in a little New England town who told all the women Medicaid did not cover birth control pills while collecting the $$$ for the pills he did not give them from the state.

389 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:58:16am

re: #384 right wing zephyr

#377 Hengineer 5/01/08 5:54:27 am reply quote report 0

re: #370 galloping granny

If it's factual, what does it matter if she points it out right away or waits until later in the discussion?

Just because it's the truth, and factual
Doesn't make it satisfactual.

/Zip-a-dee-doo-dah

390 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:58:33am

re: #383 JamesTKirk

“I don’t plan to die, I’m having too much fun. As far as I’m concerned, it’s not going to happen.” -The Shat

He really was a good interview....even though he shamelessly plugged his new autobiography...very personable and funny guy.

391 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:58:38am

re: #384 right wing zephyr

#377 Hengineer 5/01/08 5:54:27 am reply quote report 0

re: #370 galloping granny

If it's factual, what does it matter if she points it out right away or waits until later in the discussion?

did you read the rest of my post? I was just pointing out that she seemed to be one of those that "nods sagely" at black apologists.

Yes welfare historically has been a black problem because of the per capita statistics.

392 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:58:39am

re: #389 JamesTKirk

Much Underfunk!

393 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:58:48am
394 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:59:02am

re: #387 christheprofessor

Yup. I've got a stack of term papers to go through, and I'm dreading it.

Send some over to me. I'll pass grade them all.

395 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:59:24am

re: #390 Grammy Cracker

He really was a good interview....even though he shamelessly plugged his new autobiography...very personable and funny guy.

Once he got over himself and realized that he was joke, he's had/been a lot of fun.

396 Widow'smight  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:59:49am

re: #326 BabbaZee

Geez, now why would a husband want that?

397 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:59:52am

re: #389 JamesTKirk


too true!

/zippe dee day My o My

398 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:00:18am

re: #396 Widow'smight

lol

399 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:00:41am

re: #388 galloping granny

I was not talking primarily about modern welfare. The dude is simply flat wrong about the welfare programs in this country - either before or after "reform." He is frankly blowing smoke through his ass!

And NOBODY that I have ever heard of has every once paid any attention at all to that crap of having a baby to get a government check. Having a child makes an at-best, in the most generous of states $50 a month difference in the Welfare check and less than that in Food Stamps.

And Medicaid (all Welfare recipients get Medicaid) pays for birth control. Always has done. The only incident that I have ever known of where it didn't was a pharmacist in a little New England town who told all the women Medicaid did not cover birth control pills while collecting the $$$ for the pills he did not give them from the state.

have you read McWhorter's books? I'm only briefly paraphrasing. He has read and researched a lot himself, so maybe he's partially wrong on some things, but his overall premise seems valid.

400 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:00:50am

Widow
that's why I am not on at night unless he is busy

401 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:01:06am

re: #391 Hengineer


food for thought. I am really not in the discussion so I'll shut my pie hole now.

402 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:01:56am
403 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:02:07am

re: #401 right wing zephyr

I like pie!

404 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:02:22am

re: #394 right wing zephyr

Don't tempt me!

Gotta get on 'em. You all have a great day!

405 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:02:27am

re: #372 christheprofessor

I don't have the stats or the welfare applications in front of me, but I'm willing to bet my retirement that there is an assload of HS dropouts on welfare as I type this.

I would not say they are the majority or ever have been, at least outside of major cities. One thing Welfare in most states does right (one of the very few things) is that it has always encouraged and paid for a GED for all non-diploma holding recipients.

Besides, Chris, you can't always judge by whether or not someone finished high school. Some kids drop out of high school just to hang out and do nothing, but is is also rather common for kids to drop out of high school to go to college. I've known many who have done this - and had a 16 year old leave high school without a diploma to go to Smith.

406 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:03:03am

re: #100 BabbaZee

BRAVE NEW WORLD

/I liked the old one better

That's because you can't smoke soma.

407 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:03:05am

re: #403 BabbaZee

I like pie............................my little-est mini-wheat has made that his mantra and inserts it into every conversation.

408 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:03:46am

re: #403 BabbaZee

I like pie!

Can't find Sir Cumference of the Round Table without Pie!

409 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:03:46am

re: #406 JamesTKirk

That's because you can't smoke soma.

I Abject!

lol

410 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:04:09am

I should probably stop this discussion anyway, I can only paraphrase McWhorter's book, and I did post a link to the Amazonian page earlier, I think I'll let the granny win

/bows

411 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:04:48am

re: #407 BulgarWheat

I like pie............................my little-est mini-wheat has made that his mantra and inserts it into every conversation.



Ha!

Watch for Spanky's "OoooOOOoo I like pie" in the diner

412 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:04:58am

re: #115 chief long name

Was that you what hid my spectacles this morning?

Not me, I'm busy making a spectacle of myself.

413 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:05:21am

re: #377 Hengineer

you seem quick to point out the people who weren't black.

I was focusing on McWhorter's arguments. He points out that the detractors who claim welfare isn't a black problem point that out a lot. He then brings up the "per capita" population, as to what % of the black population of America is on welfare, compared to those that aren't. He then says that those very same people point out the "per capita" population of prisons readily, but then seem to neglect to use the same per capita statistics with welfare.

If you paid attention to what I wrote about the Food Stamp program Hengineer, you would have noted that I specifically pointed out that at the time the Food Stamp program (which preceeds Welfare just slightly) was introduced the majority of the recipients were assumed to be black. As it turned out, the economic crises of the 70's put a huge number of whites on the programs as well. And virtually all American Indians who live on reservations are eligible for welfare/food stamps.

414 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:05:50am

re: #403 BabbaZee

My goodness.


so does this dude

415 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:05:52am

re: #285 Lucius Septimius

Well, just do the best you can with what you've got to work with.

416 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:05:55am

re: #363 Hengineer

I pay California state taxes...

I pity you.

417 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:06:34am

By the way, Jammie, if you are out there, just sent you another email :)

I think you will like it.

418 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:06:36am

re: #391 Hengineer

did you read the rest of my post? I was just pointing out that she seemed to be one of those that "nods sagely" at black apologists.

Yes welfare historically has been a black problem because of the per capita statistics.

That is bull shit.

419 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:06:54am

re: #411 BabbaZee

Spanky definitely liked pie.

420 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:07:03am

re: #410 Hengineer

I should probably stop this discussion anyway, I can only paraphrase McWhorter's book, and I did post a link to the Amazonian page earlier, I think I'll let the granny win

/bows

Granny Wins!

Go granny go!

421 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:07:17am

#411 BabbaZee

Part II

/Mighta choked Artie but it ain't gonna choke Stymie!

Part III

/the Lord done sent me Five Dollahs!

422 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:07:21am

re: #124 chief long name

re: #101 BabbaZee

I dint know you stuttered...

B-b-b-baby, you just ain't s-seen n-nothing yet...

423 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:07:41am

re: #405 galloping granny

I would not say they are the majority or ever have been, at least outside of major cities. One thing Welfare in most states does right (one of the very few things) is that it has always encouraged and paid for a GED for all non-diploma holding recipients.

Besides, Chris, you can't always judge by whether or not someone finished high school. Some kids drop out of high school just to hang out and do nothing, but is is also rather common for kids to drop out of high school to go to college. I've known many who have done this - and had a 16 year old leave high school without a diploma to go to Smith.

I think those are the exceptions. Didn't Colin Powell's organization recently note that something like 68% of kids in inner cities don't complete high school? What the hell is happening with them? I suspect that they aren't droppin out of high school to go to college...

424 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:07:46am

re: #413 galloping granny

If you paid attention to what I wrote about the Food Stamp program Hengineer, you would have noted that I specifically pointed out that at the time the Food Stamp program (which preceeds Welfare just slightly) was introduced the majority of the recipients were assumed to be black. As it turned out, the economic crises of the 70's put a huge number of whites on the programs as well. And virtually all American Indians who live on reservations are eligible for welfare/food stamps.

Yes, I do agree with that, and McWhorter does mention that part of the same problems that inner city poor blacks have, many of the Reservation Indians have as well, mainly because of the culture that developed about "not needing to work".

McWhorter was writing to focus on Black problems in America, he wasn't trying to focus on anyone else.

425 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:08:26am

re: #387 christheprofessor

Yup. I've got a stack of term papers to go through, and I'm dreading it.

Get some poor Grad Student to do it. That's what they're for, anyway.

426 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:08:31am

re: #415 3 wood

That's all you can do, I guess.

427 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:08:37am

re: #399 Hengineer

have you read McWhorter's books? I'm only briefly paraphrasing. He has read and researched a lot himself, so maybe he's partially wrong on some things, but his overall premise seems valid.

Perhaps it does if you know nothing about the welfare programs in this country, their regulations, administration and history, other than what you read in his book or in the press. If you actually knew anything about it, it would be utter bull shit.

428 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:08:44am
For over a year, we have been waging a relentless, nearly solitary battle in apprising the Congress and the American public about a billion dollar boondoggle and scandal: the lack of credible Arabic translators for our national security and intelligence agencies. As a result hundreds have been killed in Iraq from infiltration of our military and civilian intelligence agencies by agents of Islamist terrorists. Our FBI and CIA have been infiltrated by Muslim linguists who have successfully evaded polygraph tests and been able to pass on vital information to terror groups in the Middle East such as Hezbollah. Tens of thousands of documents, containing vital information on potential threats have gone untranslated in large measure because of bias in hiring practices against qualified Arabic, Farsi and Urdu speaking Christians, Jews and apostate Muslims. The result has been “chaos” according to a knowledgeable counter terrorism source. The problem is one of political correctness. Our government has been gulled by the argument that only Muslims can translate accurately their “holy language.” This is pure taqiyyah or religious dissimulation sanctioned by Islam.

[Link: www.newenglishreview.org...]

429 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:09:12am
430 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:09:21am

re: #153 Lucius Septimius

Y'know, my six year old saw that and immediately started singing the "Badger" song. He's seen it once and already has the cursed thing memorized.

My 3yo prefers Mango and Kenya, but he also knows Badger.

431 Widow'smight  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:09:41am

re: #400 BabbaZee

I'm not usually either, unless I'm working. When I start pesting my wife, she Replies "Don't you something better to do?", I wait a second (without having to think about it) and say "No, this is the best thing I can think of".

432 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:10:10am

re: #431 Widow'smight

lolololol

433 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:11:16am

re: #423 christheprofessor

I think those are the exceptions. Didn't Colin Powell's organization recently note that something like 68% of kids in inner cities don't complete high school? What the hell is happening with them? I suspect that they aren't droppin out of high school to go to college...

The graduation rate for Detroit Public Schools is 24.9%... and the population of Detroit is 83% black (as of the most recent census).

434 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:11:36am

re: #194 LittleRed1

"From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli" or Somalia as the case may be.

You can sing that song to the tune of the Gilligan's Island theme.

Marines hate that.

435 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:12:08am

re: #423 christheprofessor

I think those are the exceptions. Didn't C