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Thu, May 1, 2008 at 2:29:40 am PDT

The miserable have no other medicine,
But only hope.

William Shakespeare

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1 littleoldlady  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:31:35am

That reminds me....I should check the Powerball numbers.

2 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:32:35am

hope, and Change&trade

3 littleoldlady  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:32:54am

Ah. Good news and bad news. The bad news is that I didn't win. :-( The good news is nobody else did either. :-)

4 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:33:44am

re: #3 littleoldlady

Ah. Good news and bad news. The bad news is that I didn't win. :-( The good news is nobody else did either. :-)

/snicker.

sounds like Hillary. If I can't get the Demo nomination, then neither can Obama!
(its like she's doing McCain's work for him)

5 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:35:28am

re: #4 Hengineer

/snicker.

sounds like Hillary. If I can't get the Demo nomination, then neither can Obama!
(its like she's doing McCain's work for him)

She's secretly in love with good ol' Mc.
/Wants to try a real man in intimacy.

//Hope the lawyer from AK is not reading this...

6 littleoldlady  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:38:05am

So how did she do with O'Reilly last night?

/I watched this instead.

7 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:40:51am
The miserable have no other medicine,
But only hope.

— William Shakespeare

And in Shakespeare's England, you need to sit on a waiting list for six months to even get that much medicine...

8 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:42:20am

re: #5 MigueldowninMexico

She's secretly in love with good ol' Mc.
/Wants to try a real man in intimacy.

re: #6 littleoldlady

So how did she do with O'Reilly last night?

I really didn't need to see those two comments one after the other. Ew.

9 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:42:33am

re: #7 JamesTKirk

And in Shakespeare's England, you need to sit on a waiting list for six months to even get that much medicine...

Things haven't changed much in the past 500 years either.

10 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:43:10am

re: #6 littleoldlady

So how did she do with O'Reilly last night?

/I watched this instead.

Thanks for linking that!

11 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:43:32am

re: #8 JamesTKirk

I really didn't need to see those two comments one after the other. Ew.

ROFL!

12 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:44:23am

Morning

13 littleoldlady  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:45:14am

re: #8 JamesTKirk

I really didn't need to see those two comments one after the other. Ew.

Welcome to the early morning dog-and-pony show!

/what are you doing up up early?!

14 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:49:09am

re: #5 MigueldowninMexico

Oye, Miguel....just the Mexicano I wanted to see.....

Yesterday's San Diego Union Tribune had a big color photo of a sand-colored Humvee and troops in desert camo with rifles and machine guns cordoning off a busy street in a hot, dry looking city on the front cover. I gave it a cursory glance and assumed the piture accompanied an article about the ongoing conflict in Iraq.

Then I read the accompanying article and realized that these were Mexican soldiers (the H&K G3 rifles should've given that away) cordoning off a street in Tijuana. The article even said that the governor and local officials were asking TV and radio stations to refrain from playing narcocorrido music.

Guess I was more dead on than I thought when I used the term narcoinsurgency....

15 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:49:25am
(IsraelNN.com) Hamas-run television in Gaza broadcast a dastardly new version of Holocaust denial on the eve of Holocaust Remembrance Day – claiming the Jews carried out the genocide to rid themselves of the “disabled and handicapped” among them.

The show, billed as part of the Islamist terror group’s educational programming, conveyed the message that the Holocaust was actually a Zionist plot, aiming to both eliminate handicapped Jews and at the same time to make “the Jews seem persecuted” in order to “benefit from international sympathy.”

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

16 The Other Les  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:58:59am

re: #1 littleoldlady

That reminds me....I should check the Powerball numbers.

I just did.

Drat!

17 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:59:15am

re: #15 storagemanager

(IsraelNN.com) Hamas-run television in Gaza broadcast a dastardly new version of Holocaust denial on the eve of Holocaust Remembrance Day – claiming the Jews carried out the genocide to rid themselves of the “disabled and handicapped” among them.
The show, billed as part of the Islamist terror group’s educational programming, conveyed the message that the Holocaust was actually a Zionist plot, aiming to both eliminate handicapped Jews and at the same time to make “the Jews seem persecuted” in order to “benefit from international sympathy.”

Remember the 'good old days' when they hated Hitler for not killing enough Jews instead of denying the holocaust took place?

/Don't ever pay attention to what they have to say to us in English. Always listen to what they say to each other in Arabic

18 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, May 1, 2008 2:59:28am

Good morning, Lizards!

19 The Other Les  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:00:16am

re: #18 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards!

Good Morning.

20 The Other Les  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:03:42am

Today is May Day.

There are those who still seek to establish a Communist state in America (with themselves holding the whip, of course) even though Communism has been proven to be toxic to human life.

Let us remember the victims of Communism and work to prevent any further destruction of lives and civilization.

21 guzziguy  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:05:01am

From a hobby related site I subscribed to...

Everyone seems to be wondering why Muslim terrorists are so quick to commit suicide. Let's see now. . . .

No Jesus
No Christmas
No television
No cheerleaders
No baseball
No football
No hockey
No golf
No tailgate parties
No Wal-Mart
No Home Depot
No pork BBQ
No hot dogs
No burgers
No chocolate chip cookies
No lobster
No shellfish, or even frozen fish sticks
No gumbo
No jambalaya
No Beer
Rags for clothes and towels for hats.
Constant wailing from the guy next-door because he's sick and there are no doctors.
Constant wailing from the guy in the tower.
More than one wife.
You can't shave.
Your wives can't shave.
You can't shower to wash off the smell of donkey cooked over burning camel dung.
The women have to wear baggy dresses and veils at all times.
Your bride is picked by someone else.
She smells just like your donkey.
But your donkey has a better disposition.

Then they tell you that when you die it all gets better!
I mean, really, is there a mystery here?

22 littleoldlady  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:05:04am

goddess! :-)

re: #16 The Other Les

I just did.

Drat!

Hope.Springs.Eternal.

/that's my excuse, and I'm sticking to it...

23 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:05:52am

re: #14 Fenway_Nation

Oye, Miguel....just the Mexicano I wanted to see.....

Yesterday's San Diego Union Tribune had a big color photo of a sand-colored Humvee and troops in desert camo with rifles and machine guns cordoning off a busy street in a hot, dry looking city on the front cover. I gave it a cursory glance and assumed the piture accompanied an article about the ongoing conflict in Iraq.

Then I read the accompanying article and realized that these were Mexican soldiers (the H&K G3 rifles should've given that away) cordoning off a street in Tijuana. The article even said that the governor and local officials were asking TV and radio stations to refrain from playing narcocorrido music.

Guess I was more dead on than I thought when I used the term narcoinsurgency....

Yes narcoinsurgency is a reality.
In that particular instance, there was a small war between two sides of the same drug cartel.
It's quite a struggle, but most of the deaths are of drug dealers, an odd thing.

24 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:08:54am

re: #23 MigueldowninMexico

I get the impression that Calderon is treating this much more urgently than previous administrations there.

25 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:09:15am

littleoldlady
That site you linked is VERY IMPRESSIVE.
Thanks.

26 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:11:24am

Morning folks - I was looking forward to the fist tulip today, but we had a frost overnight and this morning the three tulips that were about to bloom are all bent over. I'm hoping they'll recover . . . . . . three of my prettiest.

27 Jim in Virginia  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:12:15am

Morning all.
Way too much work going on. Other than that life is good.
We have the good fortune to be designing a data center for the state owned (well, actually, it's a family business) oil company in a very large, sandy, unnamed Middle Eastern country.
We're spending their money as fast as we can.

28 Jim in Virginia  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:12:58am

re: #26 galloping granny

Morning folks - I was looking forward to the fist tulip today, but we had a frost overnight and this morning the three tulips that were about to bloom are all bent over. I'm hoping they'll recover . . . . . . three of my prettiest.

Global warming climate change.

29 Jim in Virginia  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:14:36am

I've had a wonderful evenignBut it wasn;t this one.

30 Jim in Virginia  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:15:52am

Ack, I need more coffee. That was supposed to be,
Apropos of nothing, a Groucho Marx quote.

I've had a wonderful evening. But it wasn't this one.
31 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:16:05am

re: #28 Jim in Virginia

Global warming climate change.

Funny how all that global warming leads to frozen tulips, isn't it? And isn't some ski resort well on the way to breaking 1000 feet of snow for the year?

32 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:16:13am

re: #26 galloping granny

Morning folks - I was looking forward to the fist tulip today, but we had a frost overnight and this morning the three tulips that were about to bloom are all bent over. I'm hoping they'll recover . . . . . . three of my prettiest.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you!

33 littleoldlady  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:17:39am

re: #25 MigueldowninMexico

Miguel,

It was a very interesting show, attempting to answer the question, "How is it that nobody knew?" I learned a lot.

34 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:20:11am

re: #32 goddessoftheclassroom

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you!

Thanks! At least the tomatoes were not forgotten outside overnight. That would have been a tragedy - too late to start more and have them ready to go into the ground.

35 freetoken  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:23:44am

re: #31 galloping granny

Funny how all that global warming leads to frozen tulips, isn't it? And isn't some ski resort well on the way to breaking 1000 feet of snow for the year?

Well, increased winter precipitation is one outcome of a warmer atmosphere, because the atmosphere will be able to hold more water vapor (and thus there would be more to condense out.)

However, any given day or season is just weather. As is repeatedly stated, climate is the overall, or long term nature of the Earth, not the daily changes.

36 The Other Les  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:25:00am

I must confess that I didn't watch the whole video.

It's also not not safe for work or gentle sensibilities.

[Link: dirtyharrysplace.com...]

37 freetoken  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:26:17am

re: #23 MigueldowninMexico

Miguel - I've not been to TJ in several years, but recently I was thinking of going down there... but then all of this news of the "narco" wars keep popping up, which has been discouraging me.

So I too wonder if it is really as bad as the news up here is making it sound, and whether an old white guy like me would survive.... I'm not so fast at ducking bullets anymore.

38 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:27:14am

{MIGUEL!}

Hopium!

39 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:27:32am

re: #29 Jim in Virginia

lol!

40 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:28:17am

re: #38 BabbaZee

{MIGUEL!}

Hopium!

You mean the Hopiate of the masses...

41 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:29:48am

re: #33 littleoldlady

Miguel,

It was a very interesting show, attempting to answer the question, "How is it that nobody knew?" I learned a lot.

Thanks again for those links!

42 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:30:18am

re: #40 Fenway_Nation

You mean the Hopiate of the masses...

No I like Hopium. I meant hopium.

Obammunism: The Hopium of the Asses!

Of course Hopiate works too , even better, if you want to stick nearer the original

I just like the sound of hopium
;~}

43 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:30:56am

re: #37 freetoken

Miguel - I've not been to TJ in several years, but recently I was thinking of going down there... but then all of this news of the "narco" wars keep popping up, which has been discouraging me.

So I too wonder if it is really as bad as the news up here is making it sound, and whether an old white guy like me would survive.... I'm not so fast at ducking bullets anymore.

It seems things are hot now, because there's a war going on between different sides of "the Tijuana Cartel".
Better stay clear of TJ for a while, I'd say ;)

44 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:31:36am

re: #38 BabbaZee

{MIGUEL!}

Hopium!

{BABBA}
Yes, I'm hoptimist ;)

45 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:31:53am

re: #42 BabbaZee

Hopium sounds like some kind of radioactive material in my books.

/plutonium, neptunium, francium, einsteinium. . . . . .
//watch out for that earth shattering Ka-Booom

46 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:32:23am

Whew! I was about to have a fit. I thought I made a HUGE mistake in my checking account and had far less money than I thought. Praise be, I had just deducted the same amount twice.

I know that in the great scheme of things, this is trivial, but in my private universe, this would have been a Very Bad Thing.

47 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:32:35am

re: #42 BabbaZee

I like misspelling scepter.

Heil, Babba!

Gotta get the mini-wheats ready for school and drag a rusty razor across me grizzled face. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr mateys!

48 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:33:39am
KRAKOW/JERUSALEM (EJP)--“I have mixed feelings and ermotions,” says Leibl Zisman, a 77-year-old Auschwitz survivor, who will take part on Thursday in the ‘March of the Living’ for the first time in his life.

"As a 14-year-old boy I was deported from the Kovno (Kaunas) ghetto in Lithuania to Auschwitz and I made the death march in the winter of 1944-1945 before being liberated by US soldiers," he told EJP.

Zisman, who is living in New York, is among tens of thousands people, including many youngsters, from around the world, who traveled to Poland to take part in the annual March of the Living ceremony.

The ceremony, to be led by Israel’s chief of staff Brigadier General Gabi Ashkenazi, starts at 1:00 pm and is to trace the 3-kilometer voyage from the concentration camp at Auschwitz to the adjacent complex at Birkenau where Jews were systematically murdered in giant gas chambers.

The symbolic march is held in commemoration of the death marches that took place when the Nazis began emptying the camps and forcing prisoners to walk hundreds of kilometres in freezing weather with little food. Thousands died and those who lagged behind or fell were shot.

As Israel celebrates its 60th anniversary, the Auschwitz ceremony will be led by Israel’s chief of staff, Brigadier General Gabi Ashkenazi

[Link: www.ejpress.org...]

49 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:34:29am

re: #45 BlueCanuck

Hopium sounds like some kind of radioactive material in my books.

/plutonium, neptunium, francium, einsteinium. . . . . .
//watch out for that earth shattering Ka-Booom

Excatly why I liked it , the incendiary quality
lol


I wanna see the flowers bloom
don't wanna go kaboom kaboom
but nevertheless....
50 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:34:48am

re: #47 BulgarWheat

ARRRRRR!
Heil Five!

51 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:35:12am

re: #44 MigueldowninMexico

Hoptimists Untie!

52 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:38:07am
What would Israel’s first Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion have said if, on the day that he declared the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, he had known that six decades thence Israel would be encircled by its enemies, hopelessly outnumbered and fighting for its existence? He would surely have said: so what’s new?

Next week, on 8 May, Israel celebrates the 60th anniversary of that declaration. With every decade that it clocks up, people ask the same question: will Israel still be there for the next one? It is indeed astonishing that it has not only survived but is flourishing. Its situation as a permanently embattled nation is unique. On the day after Ben-Gurion declared its independence, six Arab armies invaded and tried to wipe it out. With the current exception of Egypt and Jordan, the Arab and Muslim world has been trying ever since.

Israel is the only country whose creation was approved by the UN; yet it is the only country whose legitimacy is called into question. It is the only country which the world requires to compromise with its Palestinian Arab attackers and accede to their demands, even while they are firing rockets at its schools and houses and blowing up its citizens. It is the only country which continues to provide electricity and basic services to those attackers and routinely treats thousands of Palestinians in its own hospitals, even those who have Israeli blood on their hands. And yet it is the only country which, in the court of public opinion, is condemned for behaving ‘disproportionately’ when it uses targeted military means to defend itself, and is accused of causing the very ‘Nazi’ or ‘apartheid’ atrocities of which it itself is the victim.

[Link: www.newenglishreview.org...]

53 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:40:54am

The rebellion against civilization:
The menace of the Under Man
1922

Science!

/

Lord
Help them all
For they know not WTF is coming.

54 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:40:59am

Hawaiian Seperatists have taken over the Governmental Palace and are keeping hostages

[Link: www.hawaiireporter.com...]

55 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:43:55am
Iran could be just months away from fully mastering nuclear technology, Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Shaul Mofaz said on Thursday, citing intelligence estimates. "The Iranians could cross the technological line within a relatively short time, within months, before the end of the year," he told army radio.

[Link: www.alarabiya.net...]

56 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:44:08am

Here's two other books by the venerable Scientist Stoddard


The New World of Islam, 1921


The rising tide of color against white world-supremacy, 1920

57 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:45:19am

re: #54 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Hawaiian "nationalists?"

GOD help us all


Where do the mutts apply?

Woof.

58 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:45:20am
Iran complained to the United Nations on Wednesday about U.S. presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's comment the United States could "totally obliterate" Iran in retaliation for a nuclear strike against Israel.

Iran's deputy ambassador to the United Nations sent a letter to U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and the president of the Security Council expressing Iran's condemnation of "such a provocative, unwarranted and irresponsible statement."

[Link: www.alarabiya.net...]

59 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:46:27am

re: #58 storagemanager

[Link: www.alarabiya.net...]

Pot calls kettle Jewish
Film at 11

60 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:46:36am

re: #57 BabbaZee

In the back with the rest of the Haolis(sp?).

61 Jim in Virginia  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:48:30am
62 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:49:10am

re: #60 BlueCanuck

In the back with the rest of the Haolis(sp?).

sigh

63 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:50:25am
64 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:51:06am

re: #61 Jim in Virginia

Never saw that one before!

65 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:51:14am

re: #51 BabbaZee

Hoptimists Untie!

Hahahahahaha.

66 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:51:36am
A campaign to protect domestic workers from abuse and exploitation challenges employers to ‘Put Yourself in Her Shoes’. (HRW)

Lebanese employers, placement agencies, and the Lebanese authorities should improve the treatment of domestic workers by ensuring fair contracts, timely payment of wages, and a weekly day’s leave, Human Rights Watch said today, on the eve of Labor Day.

Human Rights Watch is launching a campaign to highlight the often invisible abuses that many women who are domestic workers suffer in Lebanon.
An estimated 200,000 domestic workers, primarily from Sri Lanka, the Philippines, and Ethiopia, play an essential role in a large number of Lebanese households, yet remain unprotected by labor laws and are subject to exploitation and frequent abuse by employers and agencies.

“This Labor Day reminds us of the important contributions these women make to this country,” said Nadim Houry, researcher at Human Rights Watch. “They not only pick up the slack in many households in Lebanon, but also help support their own families left behind. While some employers treat domestic workers with respect, many fail to provide minimum standards of decent working conditions, such as adequate food, living accommodations, and regular payment.”

[Link: www.wluml.org...]

67 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:51:49am
68 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:53:03am
The government declared its last call for the May Day demonstrations: 'No leeway will be made!' Following this statement trade union representatives express their determination: 'We will be in Taksim with 500,000 people, with carnations in our hands!' Meanwhile, police forces have started taking measures in and around Taksim Square



[Link: www.turkishdailynews.com.tr...]

69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:53:30am

re: #59 BabbaZee

{Babba}...Mama Winger's greyhound died on Monday. Thought you'd want to know.

70 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:54:12am

re: #69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

{Babba}...Mama Winger's greyhound died on Monday. Thought you'd want to know.

Thanks for letter me know. How sad. Was it unexpected, or was the poor thing failing?

71 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:54:29am

Darkness is death's ignorance and the devil's time
~ James Brown

72 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:54:29am
The government of Pakistan has given cash compensation to more than 500 people for the Taliban fighters killed or wounded during the military operation in the tribal district of South Waziristan. The military operation was launched in 2004. The Urdu-language newspaper Roznama Jasarat reported that over 500 individuals were given about 200 million Pakistani Rupees.

According to the report, the local Emir of Taliban in South Waziristan Mullah Nazir and about 150 senior Taliban fighters, affected by the military operation, have been given an undisclosed big amount. The report quoted an unnamed official as saying that 50,000 Rupees were given for minor injuries, 250,000 Rupees for serious injuries and 500,000 Rupees to the relatives of those who died in the operation.


[Link: www.weaselzippers.net...]

73 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:55:24am

Jewels
Long time no see!
I hope you're doing fine :)

74 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:55:34am

re: #69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

hiya my fatty boomballatee
yes I know sweetie thanks

75 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:56:58am

Pray for the children..............

HUBLI: An honour killing can't possibly be worse than this. Caste — the common factor in most such incidents in northern India — was absent here. The only 'crime' 18-year-old Rekha Gokavi had committed was to love a boy belonging to a poor family. Rekha was clobbered and burnt alive by her father and uncle.The outrage, which occurred on April 22 in Chikkasavanur, a tiny village in Gadag district about 80 km from here, came to light only on Tuesday. Gadag police superintendent D Roopa informed TOI that Rekha, a high school dropout, was in love with Narasanagowda Patil (22). The families were opposed to the match. Both belonged to the Reddy community.

[Link: www.stophonourkillings.com...]

76 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, May 1, 2008 3:57:46am

Doing Okay Miguel: I have a day job now just up. a bit early. This nonsense in Hawaii has got me annoyed at this point

77 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:00:09am

re: #76 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Doing Okay Miguel: I have a day job now just up. a bit early. This nonsense in Hawaii has got me annoyed at this point

I understand you being annoyed.
Now the liberals want to take Hawaii apart from the USA.
Ugh

I'm glad you're doing ok!

78 Pro-Bush Canuck  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:01:46am

My begonias are actually still alive. That's a big step forward for me, possibly the world's worst horticulturist.

My girlfriend should be landing just about now. Driver will whisk her ino the city where I have fresh coffee, fresh croissants and fresh flowers waiting.

79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:02:25am

re: #70 goddessoftheclassroom

Totally unexpected. She is crushed. Just got here {goddess} should have known you'd be here too.

80 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:02:39am
81 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:04:21am

Ok, dear lizards.
I have to go now.
Good bye and God bless all :)

82 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:04:22am

re: #78 Pro-Bush Canuck

{PBC}

How are you this morning?

83 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:04:54am

G'night Miguel.
HOPIUM!

84 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:05:46am

Later Miguel, see you next time.

85 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:07:19am
1918. In The Science of Power, Benjamin Kidd wrote, "The main cause of those deep diving differences which separate peoples and nationalities and classes from each other and which prevent or stultify collective effort in all its most powerful forms... could all be swept away if civilization put before itself the will to impose on the young the ideal of subordination to the common aims of organized humanity... So to impose it has become the chief end of education in the future. ... Give us the Young and we will create a new mind and new earth in a single generation."

Kidd goes onto quote Masonic Carbonari leader Guiseppe Mazzini (1805-1872): "Your task is to form the universal family.... Education, this is the great word which sums up our whole doctrine. [From Mazzini's On the Duties of Man]. According to Dennis Cuddy, Kidd emphasizes Mazzini message that "education is addressed through emotion to the moral faculties in the young and instruction to the intellectual (faculties)." "Power centres in emotion."2 Cuddy, page 14


LINK
Do you begin to smell the Hopium, Masses?

86 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:08:11am

We are over 100 years late to this party.

87 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:10:12am

But I catch on quick
and I carry a big stick

88 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:11:33am

re: #86 BabbaZee

Sometimes it's never too late. This party is going to rock the world.

89 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:12:43am

re: #88 BlueCanuck

Sometimes it's never too late. This party is going to rock the world.

Amen

90 Pro-Bush Canuck  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:14:09am

re: #82 BabbaZee

I'm great. Sunny day here in Toronto. Air is crisp and clear 40-odd storeys in the air.

91 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:16:30am
1987. Among the notable members of the Study Commission on Global Education were (then) Governor Bill Clinton, AFT president Albert Shanker, Professor John Goodlad, CFAT (Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching) president Ernest Boyer, and Frank Newman, president of the Education Commission of the States. Together, they prepared a report titled The United States Prepares for Its Future: Global Perspectives in Education. The Rockefeller, Ford and Exxon Foundations helped fund this report. In the Foreword, New Ager Harlan Cleveland, author of The Third Try at World Order, wrote:

"A dozen years ago... teaching and learning 'in global perspective' was still exotic doctrine, threatening the orthodoxies of those who still thought of American citizenship as an amalgam of American history, American geography, American lifestyles and American ideas.... It now seems almost conventional to speak of American citizenship in the same breath with international interdependence and the planetary environment."13


HOPIUM!

92 Pro-Bush Canuck  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:16:47am

Well that was my better half calling from the limo. She's 10 minutes away. So I have to go and treat her to a wonderful day.

Talk later, Lizards.

93 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:16:53am

re: #90 Pro-Bush Canuck

Isn't it great no smog out there yet. Unfortunately I have a ground floor view at the moment.

94 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:17:00am

re: #90 Pro-Bush Canuck

any new news?

95 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:19:21am

The Clintons and the "Third Way"


There is an explanation of THIRD WAY in one of my old posts here

Behold she comes on a white centrist trojan horse

96 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:21:04am
Born in Frankfurt in 1925 to a religious family, Yehuda and his parents lived in Germany until 1936. "When it became very difficult to live there," he said, "we moved to Holland in 1937, giving us three years of vacation - until the Germans captured Holland in three days, and everything began again. I remember a German standing atop a tank and I came out to see and he yelled out, 'Here come the Jews, they're beginning to come out' - this was a sign that everything was starting all over again..."

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

97 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:21:56am

I am not insane all you excellent Festi!

98 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:24:01am
2002 (April 29): President George W. Bush added his support to this massive network by signing an Executive Order titled, "President's New Freedom Commission on Mental Health." It established a commission which bound the Departments of Health and Human Services, Education and Labor together in a common quest for "the desired outcomes of mental health care, which are to attain each individual's maximum level of employment, self-care, interpersonal relationships, and community participation."19 See Legalizing Mind Control

LINK

99 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:24:23am
Pope Benedict XVI received visiting head of Iran's Islamic Culture and Relations Organization Mehdi Mostafavi on Thursday who presented a precious copy of Muslims holy book, the Quran, to the 81-year-old pontiff.

Mostafavi is currently in Italy heading a high-ranking delegation to attend an inter-faith dialogue with the Catholic Church in Vatican.

Appreciating Mostafavi for the valuable gift, the pope said that the holy Quran was so dear to him.

He stressed that the contemporary world was in dire need of faith and wisdom as the tow major factors that could help people face their challenges.

The pope also expressed hope that bilateral relations and cooperation be further promoted between Iran and Vatican.

Mostafavi, for his part, voiced Tehran's readiness to promote bilateral cooperation with Vatican in the fields of cultural and religious activities.

[Link: www2.irna.com...]

100 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:24:47am

BRAVE NEW WORLD

/I liked the old one better

101 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:25:16am

Appreciating Mostafavi for the valuable gift, the pope said that the holy Quran was so dear to him.


Appreciating Mostafavi for the valuable gift, the pope said that the holy Quran was so dear to him.

Appreciating Mostafavi for the valuable gift, the pope said that the holy Quran was so dear to him.

102 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:25:38am

He should have smacked the MFer in the face with the filthy tome

103 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:26:28am

re: #100 BabbaZee

Saw the movie, read the book. An interesting counterpoint to "1984".

/read them both one summer for fun.

104 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:26:49am
"the desired outcomes of mental health care, which are to attain each individual's maximum level of employment, self-care, interpersonal relationships, and community participation."

I'm bound for the gulag if I live long enough.

105 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:27:08am

re: #103 BlueCanuck

freaking thing is almost prophecy

106 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:27:17am
107 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:27:49am
108 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:28:11am

re: #105 BabbaZee

freaking thing is almost prophecy

Who is to say it is not.

109 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:29:27am

re: #105 BabbaZee

Isn't it. They replace the G-d of the Bible with Henry Ford. Making him god of the modern world. Charing Cross road, now Charing Tee road, etc. . . . .

/consumption for the masses, drugs for the drones.

110 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:29:51am
111 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:30:04am

re: #109 BlueCanuck

Our Ford!

112 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:30:21am

re: #108 galloping granny

Not me lady

lol

113 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:33:20am
114 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:37:20am
For many years now, every time I arrive at Auschwitz, I get the same feeling. It appears to me that it wasn’t me who was here during this incredibly dark period, but rather, someone else whose story I heard at some point in life.


Even when I write a personal story from my past I have a feeling that I’m not talking about myself. However, this sense dissipates shortly thereafter, and again I remember well that it is indeed I who was here. I was the one who went through all the horrors. I was the one who survived against all odds – and certainly in contradiction to the Germans’ plans.

For many years now I’ve been asking myself the same question. How could apparent human beings, who managed a completely normal private life, carry out the horrors that could not be described in words? How could they be so cruel?

For many years now I’ve been thinking about those Germans who worked at Auschwitz and at other extermination camps. How could it be that every evening the officers returned to their villas outside the camp, kissed their wife and kids, and sat down for dinner with their family? How did they stroke their cat and play with their dog – as I saw with my own eyes many times when I passed by them on my way to doing more hard labor.

In the morning, these officers went back to their job: The extermination of thousands of Jews.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

115 chief long name  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:38:59am

re: #112 BabbaZee

Was that you what hid my spectacles this morning?

116 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:39:26am

Morning Lizards,

Home sick again today, can't seem to shake this cold..

117 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:40:03am

Ah I'm back! We're in Djibouti, and since I'm the Duty Engineer tonight, I think I'm just about the only one on board right now (in the engine dep't anyway).

118 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:40:45am

re: #115 chief long name

yea LOL
sorry

119 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:42:33am

Good morning all. Looks to be a beautiful day on the outer edge of the "City too busy to hate but does it anyway." High around 80, a few fluffy clouds and a pleasant breeze.

Babba! Thanks for the updates yesterday; I sent a brief response. I was in meetings all day yesterday. It was a busy and somewhat stressful day.

How's everyone today?

120 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:42:35am

re: #117 Hengineer

Shake Djibouti!

121 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:42:39am

More on the Hawaii Palace Take Over

[Link: www.hawaiireporter.com...]

122 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:43:02am

re: #119 Lucius Septimius

{Lucius}

Everything old is new again.
And not in a good way.

LOL

123 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:43:26am
124 chief long name  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:43:39am

re: #101 BabbaZee

I dint know you stuttered...

125 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:43:42am

re: #120 BabbaZee

Shake Djibouti!

/snicker

As I remind you I can't watch youtube, I'm at least grateful you're pronouncing it right (Ja-booty).

I keep looking around for Djiboutis and Djiboobies, too.

126 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:44:00am
127 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:44:21am

re: #125 Hengineer

/snicker

As I remind you I can't watch youtube, I'm at least grateful you're pronouncing it right (Ja-booty).

I keep looking around for Djiboutis and Djiboobies, too.

why can't you watch YouTube?

128 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:44:22am
129 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:45:01am

re: #126 ploome hineni

cool

you are on a ship?

Yea, as some of the lizards know already, I'm on the USNS Kanawha, a fleet replenishment oiler that is on deployment in the Indian Ocean ready to support the US Navy's mission to thwart pirates off the coast of Africa.

130 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:45:18am

re: #125 Hengineer

Here try this

131 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:45:34am

re: #128 rightside

Hey, Hengineer!

Shake shake shake,
shake shake shake,
shake Djibouti

Babba beat you to it! =-P

132 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:45:42am

re: #128 rightside

You just too slow son

lol

133 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:46:07am

re: #124 chief long name

Yea, me and Moses.
Bad tempers too.

LOL

134 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:46:24am

re: #127 galloping granny

why can't you watch YouTube?

IP Blocked from US Navy ship servers, probably for bandwidth.

/communist internet.

135 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:46:27am

Later folks, the night has come to an end and I must crawl back into my cave. Have fun.

/curse you evil day star.
//night shift lament.

136 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:46:45am
137 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:47:00am

re: #129 Hengineer

Yea, as some of the lizards know already, I'm on the USNS Kanawha, a fleet replenishment oiler that is on deployment in the Indian Ocean ready to support the US Navy's mission to thwart pirates off the coast of Africa.

Seems to me that thwarting pirates off the coast of Africa was one of the very first missions of the US Navy. Two hundred years later we're still at it. . .

138 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:47:20am

re: #132 BabbaZee

Yeah,

My first time...cut me some slack

139 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:47:29am

re: #130 BabbaZee

just letting you know its at least loading, but have patience pretty lady, it might pop up to let me watch or it might spit back "you capitalist pig wanting more bandwidth! No more pie for you!"

140 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:47:49am

re: #134 Hengineer

IP Blocked from US Navy ship servers, probably for bandwidth.

/communist internet.

I would bet more likely so folks aren't accidentally uploading things they shouldn't. . .

141 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:48:19am

re: #132 BabbaZee

You just too slow son

lol

You have to get up really early to beat Babbala!

GOOD MORNING, LIZARDS! What else is shakin' besides Djibouti and southern California?

142 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:48:29am

re: #137 galloping granny

Seems to me that thwarting pirates off the coast of Africa was one of the very first missions of the US Navy. Two hundred years later we're still at it. . .

yea, but different coast. That was north/western. This is Eastern.

143 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:48:45am

re: #138 rightside

Okeedokee


Slack.

{rightside}

144 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:48:49am
Russia’s dominance in oil and natural gas is now being used “to project hegemony over its neighbors, from the Far East (energy-starved China and Japan) to Europe in the west, and attempting to control transit (pipeline) countries such as Ukraine and Belarus.” Communism, Soviet-style, is back in power in Russia under Putin while America “has been helplessly watching Russia’s re-emergence.”

At the heart of this new threat to America’s role in the world is oil and natural gas. Unless Americans begin to understand the geopolitics of energy—and soon—a lifestyle we have taken for granted is going to be severely impacted.

This explains why we have 160,000 troops in Iraq in a vain attempt to have some sway over its oil industry, why we have carrier groups parked just off the Persian Gulf fearing a nuclear-armed Iran, and why we will sell Saudi Arabia any military hardware it wants while continuing to guarantee the sovereignty of oil sheikdoms like Kuwait and the UAE.

What it does not explain is why our government has done everything in its power to thwart the exploration, discovery, and extraction of our own energy assets.

[Link: www.newmediajournal.us...]

145 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:49:21am

re: #139 Hengineer

I like pie!

146 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:49:23am

Thucydides' take on "hope"

"Hope, danger's comforter, may be indulged in by those who have abundant resources, if not without loss at all events without ruin; but its nature is to be extravagant, and those who go so far as to put their all upon the venture see it in its true colors only when they are ruined"

Peloponnesian War, 5.103

147 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:50:33am

re: #140 galloping granny

I would bet more likely so folks aren't accidentally uploading things they shouldn't. . .

yea probably.

My little sister made it on one of those "music videos" done by an air detachment. look up Shania Twain's "That Don't Impress me much" on youtube, and look for the women of the Ronald Reagan version.

Apparently they all got in trouble "officially" because they showed the "door" to reactor. The office and classrooms don't matter, that they showed the "do not enter" door to reactor, a bunch of big wigs got all upset.

148 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:50:44am

re: #143 BabbaZee

moonbats taking over the Hawaiian governmental palace. not much else

149 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:51:05am

Good Morning Lizards.

Cougar Shot in Chicago came from South Dakota.

The 124-pound cougar that ended up in Roscoe Village last month may have started its life nearly 1,000 miles away in South Dakota. And the big cat -- the first cougar found in Cook County since at least 1855 -- definitely passed through southern Wisconsin as it wandered toward Chicago.

DNA testing shows the young male cougar shot by police April 14 is the same animal that was chased out of an abandoned barn near Milton, Wis., in January, Cook County officials said Wednesday.

Apparently this big cat wandered across several states, looking for a mate:

While more testing will be done to try to pinpoint the cat's origins, it's clear the cougar -- estimated to be about 2 years old -- traveled a long way in unfamiliar territory in its short life.

The reason? The young cat likely was forced out of the region where he was born by older, dominant males -- and took to the road to search for a mate.

"He kept moving because there were no females," said Bruce Patterson, curator of mammals at the Field Museum. "They have to keep moving until they find lady cougars."

I think he was headed for the meat markets on Rush Street.

150 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:51:54am
151 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:52:39am

re: #149 3 wood

Good Morning Lizards.

Cougar Shot in Chicago came from South Dakota.

I think he was headed for the meat markets on Rush Street.

If he was looking for *lady cougars* he should have gone to Hollyweird.....

152 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:52:42am

Hey

I just got called a fascist via e-mail
by a disgruntled banned poster.

WOO HOO

first time today!

153 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:52:53am

re: #145 BabbaZee

Y'know, my six year old saw that and immediately started singing the "Badger" song. He's seen it once and already has the cursed thing memorized.

154 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:53:25am

re: #150 Hengineer

So the next time some right-wing extemist asks if you're a socialist, just smile and say, "I like pie".

laughing!

155 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:53:27am

re: #149 3 wood

Note - for those not familar with Rush Street in Chicago, this is an area of many bars where people go to find, ummm, companionship.

156 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:54:23am

re: #153 Lucius Septimius

Y'know, my six year old saw that and immediately started singing the "Badger" song. He's seen it once and already has the cursed thing memorized.

I used to teach my little sister this way
I would make up asinine songs, wear hats, act like an ass, and reduce everything to just a few words

it's why they can recall "rap" so well too

157 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:54:31am

re: #152 BabbaZee

Hey

I just got called a fascist via e-mail
by a disgruntled banned poster.

WOO HOO

first time today!

YOU got called a fascist? Somebody better dig up a dictionary.

158 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:54:33am

re: #155 3 wood

eww!

159 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:54:35am

re: #152 BabbaZee

Hey

I just got called a fascist via e-mail
by a disgruntled banned poster.

WOO HOO

first time today!

Today? is that a regular occurence?

160 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:55:19am

re: #153 Lucius Septimius

Have you seen the llama song?

161 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:55:26am

re: #157 galloping granny

YOU got called a fascist? Somebody better dig up a dictionary.

I have been called a Fascist AND a Commie since the anti-jihad conference thing.

Oy - make up yer minds assholes

162 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:55:45am

re: #150 Hengineer

Socialism is your friend! (or how you should all like pie!)

That is great -- I just sent it to all my economist friends.

163 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:55:49am

re: #159 rightside

Today? is that a regular occurence?

Not regular but not irregular either

164 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:56:12am

re: #160 Hengineer

um....no....

165 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:56:40am

re: #163 BabbaZee

You know you are over the target, when you start taking a lot of flak...

166 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:56:43am

re: #152 BabbaZee

I just got called a fascist via e-mail
by a disgruntled banned poster.

WOO HOO

first time today!


I'm sure you will grieve long winter evenings over that.

167 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:57:14am

re: #161 BabbaZee

I have been called a Fascist AND a Commie since the anti-jihad conference thing.

Oy - make up yer minds assholes

well to those that are so left wing, even communists are right wing, I guess some communists can be fascists.

Either way, to be serious, you can be communist AND fascist. Fascism/anarchism is on an up/down scale while liberalism and conservatism is left/right.

Hell all the communists used fascism to get what they wanted anyway (We're the politburo, so I will do what is best for you because I am the politburo, so I have the right).

168 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:57:22am
169 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:57:37am

re: #166 3 wood

I'm sure you will grieve long winter evenings over that.

Are you kiddin'? She'll probably frame it and hang it on the wall!

/badge of honor!

170 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:57:57am

re: #164 Lucius Septimius

um....no....

ooh ooh i'll find it!

How about the peanut butter jelly time banana?

171 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:58:27am

re: #159 rightside

Today? is that a regular occurence?

Babba has what you might call a fan club, of sorts.

172 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:58:40am

re: #156 BabbaZee

My dad used to make up silly songs all the time; I do it, and now he does. It's a family tradition

173 The Other Les  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:58:40am

re: #161 BabbaZee

I have been called a Fascist AND a Commie since the anti-jihad conference thing.

Oy - make up yer minds assholes

I've been called the embodiment of all evil on Earth.

174 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:58:47am

re: #168 BabbaZee


Cougar came a long way, Grammy.

Haven't heard this one in a long time! :>)

/fond memories

175 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:58:49am

re: #167 Hengineer

LOL
Problem is when you beyond the categories
everyone tries to claim you as their own

On religion they are even more confused and angry at me

BWAHA

176 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:58:57am

re: #171 3 wood

Babba has what you might call a fan club, of sorts.

LOL!

177 yochanan  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:58:57am

re: #137 galloping granny

Seems to me that thwarting pirates off the coast of Africa was one of the very first missions of the US Navy. Two hundred years later we're still at it. . .


BACK THEN THEY WERE MUSLIMS TOO.

178 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:59:13am

re: #168 BabbaZee

You play everything I grew up listening to...amazing

179 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:59:20am

Problem is when you STEP beyond the categories
everyone tries to claim you as their own

lost a word

180 theparson  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:59:25am

Charles,

Do you now or will you deliver LGF for Amazon's Kindle?

181 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 4:59:34am

re: #178 rightside

We are probably near the same age

182 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:00:10am

re: #171 3 wood

Babba has what you might call a fan banned club, of sorts.

/fixed it... LOL

183 LittleRed1  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:00:22am

Morning all. It's already 68 with a 30MPH wind out of the south. I think the weather frogs guess of only 20% chance of storms is a bit low.

184 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:00:24am

re: #173 The Other Les

I've been called the embodiment of all evil on Earth.

Hey! we must be related!

185 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:00:50am

re: #181 BabbaZee

44 here

186 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:00:55am

re: #172 Lucius Septimius

My dad used to make up silly songs all the time; I do it, and now he does. It's a family tradition

Why am I not suprised, LOL!

187 TexasAC  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:01:04am

BabbaZee #56

The rising tide of color against white world-supremacy, 1920.

In 2008:

The Rev. Jeremiah White and his hootin' and hollerin' congregation have told me, as a white man, I am the enemy.

So be it...

188 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:01:05am

re: #185 rightside

44 here

We are exactly the same age

189 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:01:25am

re: #187 TexasAC

BabbaZee #56

The rising tide of color against white world-supremacy, 1920.

In 2008:

The Rev. Jeremiah White and his hootin' and hollerin' congregation have told me, as a white man, I am the enemy.

So be it...

Yup.

190 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:01:32am

re: #177 yochanan

BACK THEN THEY WERE MUSLIMS TOO.

yes indeedy.

Damned Barbary pirates, claimed they had the right to do it because we were all infidels as well.

191 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:01:36am

I took on a hill and I won!

192 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:01:57am

re: #188 BabbaZee

Aug 63..

193 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:02:05am

re: #177 yochanan

BACK THEN THEY WERE MUSLIMS TOO.

Yup, they sure were. In some of the same spots too.

194 LittleRed1  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:02:44am

"From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli" or Somalia as the case may be.

195 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:03:03am
196 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:03:08am

re: #187 TexasAC

BabbaZee #56

The rising tide of color against white world-supremacy, 1920.

In 2008:

The Rev. Jeremiah White and his hootin' and hollerin' congregation have told me, as a white man, I am the enemy.

So be it...

And that is just exactly what they said to every white person in this country - including those who nod sagely in the background.

197 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:03:31am

re: #182 Grammy Cracker

I think some of the socks are still around.

198 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:03:48am

Mornin' all. What is with the birthday stuff? Is there a lizard having a b-day today? If so, Happy Birthday!

199 MandyManners  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:04:02am

re: #190 Hengineer

yes indeedy.

Damned Barbary pirates, claimed they had the right to do it because we were all infidels as well.

I'm reading Michael Oren's book Power, Faith and Fantasy: America in the Middle East. Good stuff.

200 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:04:13am

re: #192 rightside

Aug 63..

Got me beat by a month -- September '63.

201 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:04:21am

re: #192 rightside

It was a very good year


LOLOLOLOL


STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!

202 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:04:28am

re: #197 3 wood

I think some of the socks are still around.

No doubt!

203 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:04:47am

re: #200 Lucius Septimius
Kids! Jan. '59.

204 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:05:17am

re: #199 MandyManners

That is a good book. I got it for my mom -- she loved it.

How're you?

205 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:05:25am

re: #191 storagemanager

Mazel Storage

206 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:05:47am

re: #196 galloping granny

And that is just exactly what they said to every white person in this country - including those who nod sagely in the background.

You must've read John McWhorter's "Winning the Race". It's an interesting read, and your "white people nodding sagely" is right out of his book.

He basically says that white liberals who created the welfare program didn't do it to help blacks, they did it to feel good about themselves, and the open-ended welfare program is more or less what destroyed the inner-city poor black communities.

207 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:05:57am

re: #197 3 wood

I think some of the socks are still around.

Wash day!

208 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:05:59am
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:56:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Priya.Venkatesan@Dartmouth.EDU To: “WRIT.005.17.18-WI08%u2033:;, Priya.Venkatesan@Dartmouth.EDU

Subject: WRIT.005.17.18-WI08: Possible lawsuit

Dear former class members of Science, Technology and Society: I tried to send an email through my server but got undelivered messages. I regret to inform you that I am pursuing a lawsuit in which I am accusing some of you (whom shall go unmentioned in this email) of violating Title VII of anti-federal [SIC] discrimination laws. The feeling that I am getting from the outside world is that Dartmouth is considered a bigoted place, so this may not be news and I may be successful in this lawsuit. I am also writing a book detailing my experiences as your instructor, which will “name names” so to speak. I have all of your evaluations and these will be reproduced in the book.

Have a nice day.

Priya

[Link: www.newenglishreview.org...]

209 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:06:25am

re: #206 Hengineer

Even more insidious than that

it is real racism

they NEED an oppressed under class as their CONVEYANCE

210 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:07:15am

re: #203 pingjockey

When Real gets her he can call YOU a kid
;~}
LOL

211 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:07:26am

re: #208 storagemanager

Ain't higher edumecation wonnerful!

212 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:08:30am

re: #195 BabbaZee

I agree!

213 MandyManners  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:08:40am

re: #204 Lucius Septimius

unnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh

214 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:08:53am

Hengy -

He basically says that white liberals who created the welfare program didn't do it to help blacks, they did it to feel good about themselves, and the open-ended welfare program is more or less what destroyed the inner-city poor black communities.

For the PAMPHLET TAKER
your description in the post is correct.

For the PAMPHLET MAKER
it is a matter of conscious oppression sold as liberalism

215 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:08:58am

re: #210 BabbaZee
Mwahaha! The 14 yr. old wanted to box the old man the other day. Oops! Old and and dirty tricks beat youth and enthusiasm every time.

216 yochanan  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:09:31am

re: #168 BabbaZee


Cougar came a long way, Grammy.

TWO OR FOUR LEGGED ONE?

217 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:09:34am

re: #212 rightside

Never heard that before

218 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:09:42am

PIMF=old age and dirty tricks. Gaah. More coffee!

219 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:09:50am

re: #216 yochanan

lol

220 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:10:04am

Don't know if this was linke dyet, but you can never get enough good news.

Another terrorist scumbag bites the dust.

Leader of al-Qaida in Somalia reportedly dies in airstrike

The American military launched an airstrike Thursday targeting the head of al-Qaida in Somalia, a U.S. defense official said. The head of an Islamic insurgent group said the attack killed its leader.

Islamist leader Aden Hashi Ayro, believed to be the head of al-Qaida in Somalia, was killed when the airstrike struck his house in the central Somali town of Dusamareeb, about 300 miles north of Mogadishu, said Sheik Muqtar Robow, a spokesman for the Islamic al-Shabab militia.

No word yet if Rev. Wright (Obama's spiritual leader) will officiate at the funeral.

221 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:10:15am

re: #200 Lucius Septimius

lol, I don't think it's a race! You have me by a month!

222 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:10:17am

re: #209 BabbaZee

Even more insidious than that

it is real racism

they NEED an oppressed under class as their CONVEYANCE

Exactly. Hell even those who claim to argue "for" blacks, by pointing the finger at all these outside sources, are showing how racist they are by implying that poor blacks can't help themselves.

(e.g., some arguments McWhorter says are just plain wrong: factories moving away, middle class blacks moving out of the ghetto into the 'burbs represents good role models leaving, etc...: Apparently blacks just can't help their situation because all the jobs have moved away, and all the good role models have moved out, so they just sit there and wallow....)

What's funny about all that, is he points out in ANOTHER book, how the author interviewed 3 young black women who moved to another state because they had better welfare benefits! If they can't move to get a better job, they how can they move to get better welfare benefits? (and let's not get into the Dust Bowl Migration, those people were poor, they had no money, no livelihood, but they were WHITE, so they were expected to follow the jobs).

223 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:10:35am

re: #207 Lucius Septimius

Hey Lucius, how's things by you?

224 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:10:51am

My dog had minor surgery on her leg last week...this morning she took out the stitches..oh bother..wife taking her to vet.

225 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:11:16am

re: #213 MandyManners

sorry to hear that, I think.

C'mon over. Beer's in the fridge and me and the boys are listening to Hank jr. this morning.

226 Widow'smight  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:11:18am

re: #188 BabbaZee

Youngins! Zee kits nadaz zink zay noa evryzing,but zay noa nazink.

for you young lady before I have to get mini-mom on the bus.

227 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:11:31am

re: #220 3 wood
High tech is a bitch ain't it hadji.

228 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:11:44am

By the way, Jammie, if you are out there, you got mail.

229 MandyManners  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:12:12am

re: #225 Lucius Septimius

sorry to hear that, I think.

C'mon over. Beer's in the fridge and me and the boys are listening to Hank jr. this morning.

I'm going back to bed once I get The Kid to school.

230 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:12:34am

PIMF..that I always forget about.

231 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:12:38am

re: #224 storagemanager

Sorry to hear that Storage. I had a dog some years ago that had knee surgery. Tough to recover fromt hat.

232 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:12:50am

re: #223 3 wood

Uneven. Classes over; exams on the horizon and I've got piles of papers to grade and "assessment" crap to wade through in the next couple of days. My colleagues are grumpy and engaged in open rebellion against the president -- I'm not joking.

233 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:13:00am

re: #214 BabbaZee

Hengy -

For the PAMPHLET TAKER
your description in the post is correct.

For the PAMPHLET MAKER
it is a matter of conscious oppression sold as liberalism

Winning the Race: Beyond the Crisis in Black America

234 MandyManners  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:13:40am

re: #232 Lucius Septimius

Uneven. Classes over; exams on the horizon and I've got piles of papers to grade and "assessment" crap to wade through in the next couple of days. My colleagues are grumpy and engaged in open rebellion against the president -- I'm not joking.

Do we need to send in troops?

235 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:13:44am

re: #232 Lucius Septimius
Change! Revolution is in the air!

236 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:14:30am

re: #152 BabbaZee

Hey

I just got called a fascist via e-mail
by a disgruntled banned poster.

WOO HOO

first time today!

Was it the troll who labeled my as Goebbles?

237 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:14:35am

Good morning, all...

Back by popular demand (well, not really), my lame joke from last night, in case you missed it:

What did the farmer say when he walked in on his brown chicken having sex with his brown cow in the barn?
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(sung to best pr0n theme tune): Brown chicken, brown cow...

238 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:14:39am

re: #227 pingjockey

High tech is a bitch ain't it hadji.

I like to think that the last thing that scum heard was a high pitched whine, signifying that it was "Uh-Oh time".

239 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:15:03am

re: #234 MandyManners

Perhaps. We'll see.

re: #235 pingjockey

Change! Revolution is in the air!

And I'm up on the barricades waving the black flag.

241 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:15:59am

re: #232 Lucius Septimius

Likewise. And if that isn't bad enough -- I have an all-day accreditation meeting next week.

I'm thinking I need to remove the loaded .38 I keep handy...

242 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:16:10am

re: #226 Widow'smight

{widow}
mwah

243 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:16:11am

re: #238 3 wood
Yep, now he's getting his 72 Madeline Albright clones as his just reward.

244 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:16:35am

Dang dog chews everything..even her own stitches

245 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:16:35am

re: #240 BabbaZee

thanks for the heads up, I'll email myself that link.

246 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:17:01am

re: #236 BulgarWheat

Was it the troll who labeled my as Goebbles?

LOL
I'm not sure....
I don't even remember who that was.

HEIL!

247 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:17:20am

re: #239 Lucius Septimius
Hahahaha! Is it high school or college?

248 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:17:28am

re: #245 Hengineer

They will try to kill that man.

249 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:17:31am

re: #246 BabbaZee

wah Heil yeah it coulda been.

250 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:18:39am

re: #245 Hengineer

be careful out there, Laddy. There be pirates in them waters...........arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

251 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:18:39am

re: #246 BabbaZee

Well, it is nice to be loved by a banned slime ball!

252 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:18:40am

re: #232 Lucius Septimius

Uneven. Classes over; exams on the horizon and I've got piles of papers to grade and "assessment" crap to wade through in the next couple of days. My colleagues are grumpy and engaged in open rebellion against the president -- I'm not joking.

Understood. I deal witht he same stuff.

I told some of my collegues the other day that if they spent as much time doing their jobs as they do standing around ripping the Dept Chairs and University President, a whole lot of their problems would evaporate. It was not well received.

Academics must be about the most unproductive, complaining bunch of whiners I've ever dealt with.

253 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:18:55am

BTW Herr Goebbels, that other maniac is still down on a week old thread talking shit about me too
LOLOLOLOLOL

254 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:19:14am

re: #251 pingjockey

Well, it is nice to be loved by a banned slime ball!

Not really.
LOL!

255 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:19:48am

re: #253 BabbaZee
It must be boring in moms basement.

256 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:19:48am

re: #241 christheprofessor

Likewise. And if that isn't bad enough -- I have an all-day accreditation meeting next week.

I'm thinking I need to remove the loaded .38 I keep handy...

I've got one of those next week; the assessment stuff is the preliminary. I think I've got some kind of meeting every day between now and graduation.

I keep thinking I should bring my 16 gauge pump action with me and just lay it on the table in front of me during the meetings.

257 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:19:56am

re: #253 BabbaZee

BTW Herr Goebbels, that other maniac is still down on a week old thread talking shit about me too
LOLOLOLOLOL

Doesn't it stick to the roof of his mouth?

258 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:20:02am

re: #253 BabbaZee

when they care enough to send the very best..............!

259 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:20:11am

re: #237 christheprofessor

OK
I'm a fascist moron.
I don't get it.

260 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:20:19am

re: #247 pingjockey

college

261 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:20:27am

re: #250 BulgarWheat

be careful out there, Laddy. There be pirates in them waters...........arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Awl thenk ya kindly sir!

262 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:20:32am

re: #258 BulgarWheat

when they care enough to send the very best..............!

More like

When they care enough to send the Hairy Beast

263 doriangrey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:20:46am

Good morning Lizards........

264 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:20:46am

re: #257 storagemanager

lol

265 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:20:47am

re: #259 BabbaZee

OK
I'm a fascist moron.
I don't get it.

fascist moron = oxymoron.

266 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:21:01am

re: #255 pingjockey

rotf

267 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:21:22am

re: #254 BabbaZee
Forgot the tag! It is an acknowledgement of sorts!

268 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:21:40am

re: #262 BabbaZee

the Feral Beasts Arise!

269 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:22:31am

Green at last...yes.

270 opnion  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:22:36am

I am sitting in the airport at the gate and on TV, Meredeth Viera is interviewing the Obamas.
When asked about Wright Michelle snapped, "I am tired of these distractions. It is time to nove on."
Uh huh, you know cause she said so.
It was not an Ozzie and Harriet moment.

271 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:22:52am

re: #268 BulgarWheat

the Feral Beasts Arise!

AAAAAA-oooooooOOOOOOOOOOOooooo!

272 doriangrey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:23:07am

re: #252 3 wood

Understood. I deal witht he same stuff.

I told some of my collegues the other day that if they spent as much time doing their jobs as they do standing around ripping the Dept Chairs and University President, a whole lot of their problems would evaporate. It was not well received.

Academics must be about the most unproductive, complaining bunch of whiners I've ever dealt with.


ROTFLMAO...........well as the old saying goes........Those that can, do... Those can cannot get tenure.....

273 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:23:10am

re: #270 opnion

michelle is a very scary gramscian beast

274 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:23:18am

re: #270 opnion

I am sitting in the airport at the gate and on TV, Meredeth Viera is interviewing the Obamas.
When asked about Wright Michelle snapped, "I am tired of these distractions. It is time to nove on."
Uh huh, you know cause she said so.
It was not an Ozzie and Harriet moment.

SHE WANTED A WAFFLE HONKY
STFU

275 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:23:35am

re: #256 Lucius Septimius

Ugh. The irony is that a lot (not all, though) of accreditation is pure BS. A shitload of hoops to jump through to satisfy a bunch of pompous assholes to get their stamp of approval.

276 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:23:35am

Morning Dorian
Lucius, get one of those .50 cannon handguns, have it lying there. Even with no ammo it makes a very good club!

277 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:23:36am

re: #206 Hengineer

You must've read John McWhorter's "Winning the Race". It's an interesting read, and your "white people nodding sagely" is right out of his book.

He basically says that white liberals who created the welfare program didn't do it to help blacks, they did it to feel good about themselves, and the open-ended welfare program is more or less what destroyed the inner-city poor black communities.

I actually have never read that, but I did spend some years administering a food bank for the feds. Had access to a lot of stuff about the food stamp program that most don't. I don't think McWhorter is right when he says that the Food Stamp program was created to let white liberals feel good about themselves, because I don't believe it was created by liberals.

At the time that the Food Stamp program was under discussion in the 60's in Congress, various people were called to testify. One of those people was the man who was then the Surgeon General of the US, whose job in that capacity is to provide expert medical opinion. A little-known fact about the Food Stamp program is that the diet that is used as the standard for how much food a family is allotted per month is the same diet that was used in Dachau. (See Hunger in America from Harvard School of Public Health, done in the late 70s.) The Surgeon General testified to Congress at that time that this diet was - and I'm going to put this in quotes because it is pretty darned close to exact - "This diet should never be used by an adult except in the direst of emergencies and then not for a period of more than 3 months. Children should never use this diet." Note that at the time the Food Stamp program was put in place most of the recipients were blacks. Note also that this was at about the same time as the struggle over civil rights was going on.

Since the 60s we have raised two entire generations on this Food Stamp diet that should never be used to feed a child for a single day. We have towns in this country where a full 50% of the children in town qualify for free or reduced priced school lunch - which also means that they qualify for food stamps. By definition, these children to not get adequate nutrition to support a growing/developing brain - Food Stamps does not allow them to have it. Unless you are an expert cook and an expert shopper, it is virtually impossible to feed children an adequate diet on a Food Stamp allotment. And no, the FS program's basic diet has not changed in all of these years. Every year the Census Bureau calculates an "average Market Basket" cost for that Food Stamp diet and some years Congress in their magnanimity will allow a small 2 or 3% increase in the FS allotment, but that is generally not even enough to cover the cost of living increase.

Brains that do not get adequate nutrition do not learn well. When you wonder why Johnny can't read and why inner city schools have such low test scores, you need look not one fraction of an inch further than the Food Stamp program that so many have been dependent on.

I do not buy Wright's assertion that the US Government developed AIDS to destroy black people, but I have asserted myself for 3 decades now that the Food Stamp program was deliberately designed to create an uneducated - perhaps uneducable - underclass of near serfs in this country.

278 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:24:03am
279 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:24:04am

re: #271 BabbaZee

where's Warren when you need him?

uh, never mind.

I loved Warren Zevon. The boy had some definite under-funk

280 beblebrox  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:24:15am

re: #224 storagemanager

My dog had minor surgery on her leg last week...this morning she took out the stitches..oh bother..wife taking her to vet.

our pup last month pulled his stitches out from being spayed 3 times. we even put one of those pants on him that they use for females in heat, which he actually chewed through. Luckily the wife is an RN and has a good supply of medical supplies. she ended up using surgical glue and steri-strips to hold him together.

281 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:24:36am
Beijing introduced sweeping new rules against smoking in public places Thursday in an effort to create a "smoke-free Olympics," state press said.
The new rules mean hotels and restaurants will for the first time have to offer smoke-free facilities in the Chinese capital, where dining venues are often filled with an acrid haze.

All public venues including fitness centres, offices, meeting rooms, toilets, and lifts in buildings must be completely smoke-free from Thursday, state news agency Xinhua said.

Authorities in the Chinese capital have hired 100,000 inspectors to enforce the ban, the news agency said.

People caught flouting the rules will be fined 10 yuan (1.4 dollars), and businesses face fines of up to 5,000 yuan, Xinhua said.

Olympic venues and facilities for the 10,500 competitors expected here for the August 8-24 Games are already under stringent smoking bans.

Originally officials wanted to introduce a broader ban making all Beijing bars and restaurants completely non-smoking, but owners fought back and the plan was dropped.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

282 doriangrey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:25:04am

re: #276 pingjockey

Morning Dorian
Lucius, get one of those .50 cannon handguns, have it lying there. Even with no ammo it makes a very good club!


Morning ping.... How did the interview go?

283 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:25:06am

re: #270 opnion

I am sitting in the airport at the gate and on TV, Meredeth Viera is interviewing the Obamas.
When asked about Wright Michelle snapped, "I am tired of these distractions. It is time to nove on."
Uh huh, you know cause she said so.
It was not an Ozzie and Harriet moment.

Well it would've been alright if she had been eating her Waffle&trade.

284 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:25:06am

re: #259 BabbaZee

The music in every pr0n flick ever made is: bow-chicka-bow-wow

285 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:25:14am

re: #252 3 wood

Academics must be about the most unproductive, complaining bunch of whiners I've ever dealt with.

For the most part, but in this case they have a point. It's the administrators who won't settle down to do their jobs and insist on meddling in day-to-day matters of faculty governance. The big boss is the closest thing to Captain Kweeg I've ever seen in real life -- he had no experience coming in and really has no clue what he's doing. So he micromanages, and when that fails, makes flip decisions without consulting anyone. It's a real mess.

286 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:25:15am

re: #279 BulgarWheat

where's Warren when you need him?

uh, never mind.

I loved Warren Zevon. The boy had some definite under-funk



Most Under Funky!

287 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:25:34am

re: #272 doriangrey

Morning Dorian!

288 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:25:38am

re: #284 christheprofessor

The music in every pr0n flick ever made is: bow-chicka-bow-wow

OH
that's why I didn't get it.

lololololololol

289 beblebrox  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:26:02am

#280 beblebrox

OOPS! not spayed, neutered. big difference.

290 yochanan  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:26:14am

ONE WAY
to see if the libs really believe in the gorebull warming propaganda is if they start supporting Nuke power plants as it is the one proven way to produce energy in a mass way with out adding to the co2 problem but it does make them choose between two different competing parts of the liberal religion.

291 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:26:40am

re: #277 galloping granny

McWhorter was talking about open ended welfare, not exactly food stamps although he did briefly mention them. He was discussing an open ended welfare program that pays greater than almost all entry level jobs that were open to inner city poor unskilled blacks.

292 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:26:50am

re: #288 BabbaZee

pretty much like any Disney film these days..........

293 doriangrey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:26:56am

re: #278 BabbaZee

{DORIAN!}

((BabbaZee))

294 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:27:44am

re: #272 doriangrey

Heh. As they say, those who can, do; those who cannot, teach; those who cannot teach, teach education.

295 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:27:54am

re: #270 opnion

I am sitting in the airport at the gate and on TV, Meredeth Viera is interviewing the Obamas.
When asked about Wright Michelle snapped, "I am tired of these distractions. It is time to nove on."
Uh huh, you know cause she said so.
It was not an Ozzie and Harriet moment.


bitch got Marty Feldman eyes

STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!

296 doriangrey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:28:09am

re: #287 rightside

Morning Dorian!

Good moring rightside......

297 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:28:15am

re: #293 doriangrey

I LOVE that album

298 beblebrox  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:28:32am

re: #294 christheprofessor

Heh. As they say, those who can, do; those who cannot, teach; those who cannot teach, teach education.

those who cannot teach education teach gym.

299 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:29:19am

re: #282 doriangrey
Ok, I think. Had 4 interviewers. The only thing I sucked at was knowing about microwave communications. Following Mandys advice I dropped a thank you note yesterday. Had never heard of doing that. Had to laugh at one question, "can you climb towers, sometimes in excess of 100 feet?" I have been up a ships mast while at sea! The ship was only 55 feet wide, so you have ship under you then water. What a blast.

300 doriangrey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:29:20am

re: #294 christheprofessor

Heh. As they say, those who can, do; those who cannot, teach; those who cannot teach, teach education.


ROTFLMAO.......Right you are sir....... /ducks from Lucius......

301 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:29:20am
302 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:29:48am

Beware of Planetudinous Ponderosity!

303 GGMac  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:30:10am

"Morning, Lizards...hooray, hooray - the first of May...outdoor screwin' starts today!

304 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:30:29am

GGMac lol

305 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:30:33am

re: #275 christheprofessor

Ugh. The irony is that a lot (not all, though) of accreditation is pure BS. A shitload of hoops to jump through to satisfy a bunch of pompous assholes to get their stamp of approval.

I keep telling people that what they want to see is
1) you have a process
2) you can document using the process
If you can do that for all of your decision making and execution of policies, they're satisfied.

My area passed with flying colors, almost entirely because I make a point of documenting everything.

Most people are not very self-conscious when it comes to planning, decision making, and execution. What I keep telling them, particularly about assessment, is "you are doing this all the time; what you're not doing is keeping records of what you're doing or of doing it on any kind of regular schedule. Do those two things and you'll be fine."

306 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:30:39am

re: #303 GGMac

I never heard it put that way before.

307 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:31:07am

re: #298 beblebrox

those who cannot teach education teach gym.

And those who can't teach gym become administrators.

308 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:31:11am

re: #303 GGMac
Some places in the Rockies you might want a tent! Up to a foot of snow!

309 doriangrey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:31:28am

re: #297 BabbaZee

I LOVE that album


Me too, although more and more it seems to be a guilty pleasure, its soo teeny booper bubble gum, and I aint gettin no younger.... lol...lol...lol...

310 beblebrox  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:31:29am

re: #303 GGMac

"Morning, Lizards...hooray, hooray - the first of May...outdoor screwin' starts today!

What do the neighbors think of this? do they take pictures, or do you have a privacy fence?

/sorry i couldn't resist

311 Macker  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:31:47am

re: #27 Jim in Virginia

Morning all.
Way too much work going on. Other than that life is good.
We have the good fortune to be designing a data center for the state owned (well, actually, it's a family business) oil company in a very large, sandy, unnamed Middle Eastern country.
We're spending their money as fast as we can.

You're not going to design any back doors into the data center, are you?

GOOD MORNING LIZARDS!

312 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:32:12am

re: #305 Lucius Septimius
Exactly, write it down, document everything. Bury the bastards in paper!

313 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:32:45am

re: #311 Macker

'ello macker, ggmac

314 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:33:08am

re: #309 doriangrey

Me too, although more and more it seems to be a guilty pleasure, its soo teeny booper bubble gum, and I aint gettin no younger.... lol...lol...lol...

I LOVE lots of bubblegum
and I don't care who knows it

315 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:33:33am

Isn't today Int'l Commie day?

316 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:33:59am

re: #312 pingjockey

Exactly, write it down, document everything. Bury the bastards in paper!

Or in my case, emails, Word documents, Excel sheets, and .pdf files.

317 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:34:20am

re: #312 pingjockey

Exactly, write it down, document everything. Bury the bastards in paper!

that's the problem, beauracrats LOVE to be buried in paper. If they have paperwork to do, they are happier than a fat kid in a candy store.

318 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:34:33am

re: #303 GGMac

"Morning, Lizards...hooray, hooray - the first of May...outdoor screwin' starts today!

I'll tell the wife that when she gets home. Which reminds me ... I need to go cut the grass.

319 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:34:45am

re: #315 pingjockey

visit any university in the land,...........lefty chomsheyites at every turn (except for our lizards, but I'm not telling them anything they don't already know)

320 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:34:45am

Morning Macker

321 Macker  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:35:03am

re: #295 BabbaZee

Her conduct is SO unbecoming of a potential First Lady. That's all I'm gonna say....

You know where to be at 9:00 PM Eastern, right BabbaZee!

322 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:35:17am

re: #316 Lucius Septimius
There you go. When I had to write evals, they wanted the disc plus 3 paper copies! Why, it was uncle sams navy!

323 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:35:18am

re: #321 Macker

Her conduct is SO unbecoming of a potential First Lady. That's all I'm gonna say....

You know where to be at 9:00 PM Eastern, right BabbaZee!

I do!

324 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:35:27am

re: #314 BabbaZee

I LOVE lots of bubblegum
and I don't care who knows it

I'll see your bubblegum and raise you one, little woman....

/I was gonna marry him..... LOL

325 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:35:51am

re: #322 pingjockey

Worst. System. Ever.

326 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:36:51am

Macker I only hope I can be there

The other human in the house are home at that time
and he resents me going on line when he is home and want me to play with him
Hopefully he will have a project in the garage tonight
lololololol

327 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:36:52am

re: #291 Hengineer

I saw a post on another blog a week or two ago that said (paraphrasing):

In this day and age, virtually all jobs require a high school diploma, at a minimum. We provide, at no cost to themselves, a free education through high school to every and all people. If they choose not to avail themselves of that, we, as a society, should feel no need to support them thereafter.

People make mistakes, and if a high school dropout chooses to rectify the mistake of dropping out -- great, let's help him or her. But no welfare for able-bodied high school dropouts.

Truly disabled people we help, of course. We are a generous society, after all. But no welfare for able-bodied high school dropouts.

328 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:37:42am

re: #325 rightside
I wonder what fucking genius came up with it? I think they have a office in the Pentagon(monument to Murphys law) for dumbest ideas ever!

329 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:38:14am

re: #324 Grammy Cracker

Grammy, LOL!

I had a crush on Yul Brynner then
I kid you not

Yes I was always this strange

LOL

330 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:38:32am

re: #328 pingjockey

Mr. Murphy lives in a five sided building.

331 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:38:45am

re: #327 christheprofessor

I saw a post on another blog a week or two ago that said (paraphrasing):

In this day and age, virtually all jobs require a high school diploma, at a minimum. We provide, at no cost to themselves, a free education through high school to every and all people. If they choose not to avail themselves of that, we, as a society, should feel no need to support them thereafter.

People make mistakes, and if a high school dropout chooses to rectify the mistake of dropping out -- great, let's help him or her. But no welfare for able-bodied high school dropouts.

Truly disabled people we help, of course. We are a generous society, after all. But no welfare for able-bodied high school dropouts.

A-frickin-men.

I'm glad there's no open-ended welfare anymore (I think?)

332 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:38:51am

Gotta go! Bye lizards, have a good day!

333 pingjockey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:39:17am

re: #330 BulgarWheat
Fer sure.

334 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:39:33am

re: #328 pingjockey

It was some Capt. I can't remember his name... But there is no just system for fairly evaluating that many people, IMHO.

Triple Freq ODT

335 doriangrey  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:39:43am

re: #305 Lucius Septimius

I keep telling people that what they want to see is
1) you have a process
2) you can document using the process
If you can do that for all of your decision making and execution of policies, they're satisfied.

My area passed with flying colors, almost entirely because I make a point of documenting everything.

Most people are not very self-conscious when it comes to planning, decision making, and execution. What I keep telling them, particularly about assessment, is "you are doing this all the time; what you're not doing is keeping records of what you're doing or of doing it on any kind of regular schedule. Do those two things and you'll be fine."

Hmmm, seems we have a Vogan administrator in our midst..........

336 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:40:07am

re: #324 Grammy Cracker

I remember my sister glued to the set to watch "here come the brides."

337 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:41:22am

re: #298 beblebrox

Heh. An excellent addition...

338 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:41:31am

re: #291 Hengineer

McWhorter was talking about open ended welfare, not exactly food stamps although he did briefly mention them. He was discussing an open ended welfare program that pays greater than almost all entry level jobs that were open to inner city poor unskilled blacks.

The Food Stamp program is part and parcel of the Welfare program. BTW, in most states welfare does not pay more than an entry level job and it never has. This is a myth that has been used along with the stereotype of the "typical black welfare cheat with a dozen kids" to turn public opinion away from providing anything for the poor. The aggregate of a housing allowance (which only about 5-10% of welfare recipients have ever had access to), Food Stamps, medicaid and cash allowance often will add up to more than an entry level job with no benefits might provide, but that is hardly the same thing.

Where the welfare program has always fallen down on the job is not in the open-endedness or "generosity" (in many states these days you cannot even rent a single room on what Welfare provides) but in the ridiculous rules that historically have forced people to stay on welfare. Things like no clothing allowance for Mom. The kids each get $100-150 a year for clothing (Dress a kid on that, I dare you!), but not a penny even for a pair of new underwear for Mom, to say nothing of clothes to wear to work. No dental care for adults. Value limits on cars that make it impossible to own a car reliable enough to get to work in.

339 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:41:42am

re: #332 pingjockey

Gotta go! Bye lizards, have a good day!

later there mr pinger

340 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:42:08am

re: #335 doriangrey

Hmmm, seems we have a Vogan administrator in our midst..........

When dealing with administrators, one has to adopt certain Vogan customs. If all else fails, I'll read them some of my poetry.

341 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:42:21am

re: #329 BabbaZee

Grammy, LOL!

I had a crush on Yul Brynner then
I kid you not

Yes I was always this strange

LOL

I always thought Yul was kinda hot. So let it be written, so let it be done and all. Oh, and Omar Sharif.... yowsa!

/still likes me some older man (well, Grandpa Cracker IS older). LOL

342 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:42:41am

re: #338 galloping granny

The Food Stamp program is part and parcel of the Welfare program. BTW, in most states welfare does not pay more than an entry level job and it never has. This is a myth that has been used along with the stereotype of the "typical black welfare cheat with a dozen kids" to turn public opinion away from providing anything for the poor. The aggregate of a housing allowance (which only about 5-10% of welfare recipients have ever had access to), Food Stamps, medicaid and cash allowance often will add up to more than an entry level job with no benefits might provide, but that is hardly the same thing.

Where the welfare program has always fallen down on the job is not in the open-endedness or "generosity" (in many states these days you cannot even rent a single room on what Welfare provides) but in the ridiculous rules that historically have forced people to stay on welfare. Things like no clothing allowance for Mom. The kids each get $100-150 a year for clothing (Dress a kid on that, I dare you!), but not a penny even for a pair of new underwear for Mom, to say nothing of clothes to wear to work. No dental care for adults. Value limits on cars that make it impossible to own a car reliable enough to get to work in.

Wait, are you talking about MODERN welfare? or the welfare BEFORE the reforms were passed in the '90s?

343 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:43:10am

re: #341 Grammy Cracker

I always thought Yul was kinda hot. So let it be written, so let it be done and all. Oh, and Omar Sharif.... yowsa!

/still likes me some older man (well, Grandpa Cracker IS older). LOL

et cetera! et cetera! et cetera!

344 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:43:32am

re: #336 Lucius Septimius

I remember my sister glued to the set to watch "here come the brides."

Are you my brother?

LOL

345 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:43:45am

re: #341 Grammy Cracker

My taste in men always ran oldster.

346 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:44:01am

re: #327 christheprofessor

I saw a post on another blog a week or two ago that said (paraphrasing):

In this day and age, virtually all jobs require a high school diploma, at a minimum. We provide, at no cost to themselves, a free education through high school to every and all people. If they choose not to avail themselves of that, we, as a society, should feel no need to support them thereafter.

People make mistakes, and if a high school dropout chooses to rectify the mistake of dropping out -- great, let's help him or her. But no welfare for able-bodied high school dropouts.

Truly disabled people we help, of course. We are a generous society, after all. But no welfare for able-bodied high school dropouts.

We do not and never have provided welfare to high school dropouts - except criminals. That is a separate program called "General Relief."

347 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:44:05am

re: #342 Hengineer

Because that's the welfare McWhorter was talking about. He was discussing young girls getting pregnant @ 16, and just living out their lives on the government dole (and this starting happening around 1960 or so)

348 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:44:17am

re: #344 Grammy Cracker

Are you my brother?

LOL

Maybe ... that and Wild, Wild, West.

349 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:44:36am

re: #347 Hengineer

Concurrent with birth control pills

the whorification of women

351 GGMac  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:45:33am

re: #310 beblebrox

Well...........last year on May 1st I posted a photo of a he-gecko (sp) and a she-gecko doing the deed on our tool shed. The look on his face was pure lasciviousness - hers was "whatever". Took the photo in 1992 when we lived in South Carolina - so those lizzies are long gone. Don't know how to post the photo now - last year my son put it on his site, and I linked to it; but he doesn't have the site anymore.

The photo hangs here above my 'puter!

352 ibmkeyboard  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:45:33am

Another one bites the dust.

MOGADISHU, Somalia - The American military launched an airstrike Thursday targeting the head of al-Qaida in Somalia, a U.S. defense official said. The head of an Islamic insurgent group said the attack killed its leader.
Islamist leader Aden Hashi Ayro, believed to be the head of al-Qaida in Somalia, was killed when the airstrike struck his house in the central Somali town of Dusamareeb, about 300 miles north of Mogadishu, said Sheik Muqtar Robow, a spokesman for the Islamic al-Shabab militia.

Another commander and seven others were also killed, Robow said. Six more people were wounded, two of whom later died, said resident Abdullahi Nor.

"Our brother martyr Aden Hashi, has received what he was looking for — death for the sake of Allah

353 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:45:34am

re: #345 BabbaZee

My taste in men always ran oldster.

Yeah, me too. Grandpa's got me by 16 years....

354 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:46:07am

re: #353 Grammy Cracker

Mr. Babba by 9, but he was my youngest LOL

355 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:46:36am

re: #305 Lucius Septimius

In my experience, you are exactly correct, though the assessment part needs to be added.

One would think that successful graduates would be enough to document proper teaching...

And yet, our public schools (not colleges or universities, with some exceptions) continue to graduate borderline illiterates (in both communications and math), with little to no real accountability whatsoever. It really gets discouraging sometimes.

356 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:47:00am

re: #349 BabbaZee

Concurrent with birth control pills

the whorification of women

Actually he kinda discusses the birth control aspect. What I remember reading last, he was discussing the girls who wanted to join the "baby club". He's not faulting the girls, because its all they saw, its all they did. You just got pregnant young, and maybe had a man living with you, maybe not, but just got pregnant and got the Government check.

Remember granny, this is NOT modern times post-welfare reform. He is discussing welfare from 1960-1996? (I don't remember when welfare reforms were passed, I was just barely in high school)

357 beblebrox  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:47:08am

re: #338 galloping granny

The Food Stamp program is part and parcel of the Welfare program. BTW, in most states welfare does not pay more than an entry level job and it never has. This is a myth that has been used along with the stereotype of the "typical black welfare cheat with a dozen kids" to turn public opinion away from providing anything for the poor. The aggregate of a housing allowance (which only about 5-10% of welfare recipients have ever had access to), Food Stamps, medicaid and cash allowance often will add up to more than an entry level job with no benefits might provide, but that is hardly the same thing.

Where the welfare program has always fallen down on the job is not in the open-endedness or "generosity" (in many states these days you cannot even rent a single room on what Welfare provides) but in the ridiculous rules that historically have forced people to stay on welfare. Things like no clothing allowance for Mom. The kids each get $100-150 a year for clothing (Dress a kid on that, I dare you!), but not a penny even for a pair of new underwear for Mom, to say nothing of clothes to wear to work. No dental care for adults. Value limits on cars that make it impossible to own a car reliable enough to get to work in.

perhaps the only thing Lenin ever got right: "those who do not work, do not eat."

358 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:47:14am
359 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:47:40am

re: #331 Hengineer

A-frickin-men.

I'm glad there's no open-ended welfare anymore (I think?)

Why? You still pay for day care for the children of the mothers that have been forced to take minimum wage jobs. Most of the time, the day care for the kids costs more than the parent ever collected in a welfare check by FAR.

Here in Vermont & NH the cash grant for a mother with one child on welfare is about $450 a month. That amount of money will not rent even a room anywhere in either state, BTW. Day care for that one child runs $125-175 per week, 4.3 weeks per welfare month. You do the math. Are you the taxpayer getting a bargain?

360 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:48:26am
361 beblebrox  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:48:32am

re: #351 GGMac

Well...........last year on May 1st I posted a photo of a he-gecko (sp) and a she-gecko doing the deed on our tool shed. The look on his face was pure lasciviousness - hers was "whatever". Took the photo in 1992 when we lived in South Carolina - so those lizzies are long gone. Don't know how to post the photo now - last year my son put it on his site, and I linked to it; but he doesn't have the site anymore.

The photo hangs here above my 'puter!

get a free Photobucket account. it's a real quick and dirty way to link photos online.

362 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:49:11am
363 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:49:47am

re: #359 galloping granny

I pay California state taxes...

364 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:49:56am

re: #358 BabbaZee

Lou Graham Akbar !

Since I am a typical bitter, white, God-loving, gun-clinging Midwesterner, this is the only Foreigner I like! LOL

365 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:50:05am

re: #349 BabbaZee

Concurrent with birth control pills

the whorification of women

It's called "community of women." Socialists have been preaching that since the Levellers in the 1600s.

366 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:50:20am
367 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:50:22am

re: #363 Hengineer

I pay California state taxes...

My condolences....

368 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:50:43am

re: #365 Lucius Septimius

Bingo as usual

369 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:50:55am

re: #355 christheprofessor

It really gets discouraging sometimes.

Yes it does, and especially at this time of year.

370 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:52:03am

re: #342 Hengineer

Wait, are you talking about MODERN welfare? or the welfare BEFORE the reforms were passed in the '90s?

I'm talking about both. The only "reforms" that were passed were limits on the length of time any one given individual could collect Welfare. Before 95 many thousands of "welfare mothers" (most of whom, at least outside the cities, were neither black nor unwed mothers but divorcees who had been housewives all of their married lives) collected welfare just long enough to gain a college degree. After 95, welfare recipients are not allowed to attend college.

371 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:52:17am

re: #361 beblebrox

[Link: www.freeimagehost.eu...]
[Link: www.imagebam.com...]

Both good image hosts, run by the same guy.

372 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:52:21am

re: #346 galloping granny

I don't have the stats or the welfare applications in front of me, but I'm willing to bet my retirement that there is an assload of HS dropouts on welfare as I type this.

373 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:53:03am

Rockefeller's descendants tell Exxon to face the reality of climate change

REALITY!
The climate changes.
Every fucking MINUTE.

374 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:53:04am

re: #13 littleoldlady

Welcome to the early morning dog-and-pony show!

/what are you doing up up early?!

I'm always up that early. I just don't always peek in on LGF before I leave home for work.

375 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:53:30am

James TEEEEE!

376 rightside  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:54:25am

re: #373 BabbaZee

Agreed!

377 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:54:27am

re: #370 galloping granny

you seem quick to point out the people who weren't black.

I was focusing on McWhorter's arguments. He points out that the detractors who claim welfare isn't a black problem point that out a lot. He then brings up the "per capita" population, as to what % of the black population of America is on welfare, compared to those that aren't. He then says that those very same people point out the "per capita" population of prisons readily, but then seem to neglect to use the same per capita statistics with welfare.

378 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:54:58am

re: #30 Jim in Virginia

Ack, I need more coffee. That was supposed to be,
Apropos of nothing, a Groucho Marx quote.

Must we quote Marx on May Day?

379 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:55:07am

re: #374 JamesTKirk

I'm always up that early. I just don't always peek in on LGF before I leave home for work.

Heard *your* interview with our local radio host, Frank Beckmann, yesterday. You were friggin' hilarious!

380 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:55:13am

re: #375 BabbaZee

James TEEEEE!

Babba ZEEEEE!

381 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:55:18am
382 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:56:27am

re: #378 JamesTKirk

Must we quote Marx on May Day?

Say the secret word and win $50

383 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:56:39am

re: #379 Grammy Cracker

Heard *your* interview with our local radio host, Frank Beckmann, yesterday. You were friggin' hilarious!

“I don’t plan to die, I’m having too much fun. As far as I’m concerned, it’s not going to happen.” -The Shat

384 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:57:10am

#377 Hengineer 5/01/08 5:54:27 am reply quote report 0

re: #370 galloping granny

you seem quick to point out the people who weren't black.

If it's factual, what does it matter if she points it out right away or waits until later in the discussion?

385 SecondComing  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:57:14am

Did anyone see the skit Conan O'Brien did last night of Jeremiah Wright? Hilarious! I looked for a clip of it on youtube at home but no one has it up yet. It's blocked here at work, so I can't check.

Wright: "GD America, CG North America, CG South America, GD American Idol, GD America's next top model, GD American Tail, GD Fieval goes West"

386 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:57:33am

re: #20 The Other Les

Today is May Day. ... Let us remember the victims of Communism and work to prevent any further destruction of lives and civilization.

Linky no worky. :(

387 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:57:47am

re: #369 Lucius Septimius

Yup. I've got a stack of term papers to go through, and I'm dreading it.

388 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:58:04am

re: #356 Hengineer

Actually he kinda discusses the birth control aspect. What I remember reading last, he was discussing the girls who wanted to join the "baby club". He's not faulting the girls, because its all they saw, its all they did. You just got pregnant young, and maybe had a man living with you, maybe not, but just got pregnant and got the Government check.

Remember granny, this is NOT modern times post-welfare reform. He is discussing welfare from 1960-1996? (I don't remember when welfare reforms were passed, I was just barely in high school)

I was not talking primarily about modern welfare. The dude is simply flat wrong about the welfare programs in this country - either before or after "reform." He is frankly blowing smoke through his ass!

And NOBODY that I have ever heard of has every once paid any attention at all to that crap of having a baby to get a government check. Having a child makes an at-best, in the most generous of states $50 a month difference in the Welfare check and less than that in Food Stamps.

And Medicaid (all Welfare recipients get Medicaid) pays for birth control. Always has done. The only incident that I have ever known of where it didn't was a pharmacist in a little New England town who told all the women Medicaid did not cover birth control pills while collecting the $$$ for the pills he did not give them from the state.

389 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:58:16am

re: #384 right wing zephyr

#377 Hengineer 5/01/08 5:54:27 am reply quote report 0

re: #370 galloping granny

If it's factual, what does it matter if she points it out right away or waits until later in the discussion?

Just because it's the truth, and factual
Doesn't make it satisfactual.

/Zip-a-dee-doo-dah

390 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:58:33am

re: #383 JamesTKirk

“I don’t plan to die, I’m having too much fun. As far as I’m concerned, it’s not going to happen.” -The Shat

He really was a good interview....even though he shamelessly plugged his new autobiography...very personable and funny guy.

391 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:58:38am

re: #384 right wing zephyr

#377 Hengineer 5/01/08 5:54:27 am reply quote report 0

re: #370 galloping granny

If it's factual, what does it matter if she points it out right away or waits until later in the discussion?

did you read the rest of my post? I was just pointing out that she seemed to be one of those that "nods sagely" at black apologists.

Yes welfare historically has been a black problem because of the per capita statistics.

392 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:58:39am

re: #389 JamesTKirk

Much Underfunk!

393 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:58:48am
394 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:59:02am

re: #387 christheprofessor

Yup. I've got a stack of term papers to go through, and I'm dreading it.

Send some over to me. I'll pass grade them all.

395 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:59:24am

re: #390 Grammy Cracker

He really was a good interview....even though he shamelessly plugged his new autobiography...very personable and funny guy.

Once he got over himself and realized that he was joke, he's had/been a lot of fun.

396 Widow'smight  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:59:49am

re: #326 BabbaZee

Geez, now why would a husband want that?

397 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 5:59:52am

re: #389 JamesTKirk


too true!

/zippe dee day My o My

398 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:00:18am

re: #396 Widow'smight

lol

399 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:00:41am

re: #388 galloping granny

I was not talking primarily about modern welfare. The dude is simply flat wrong about the welfare programs in this country - either before or after "reform." He is frankly blowing smoke through his ass!

And NOBODY that I have ever heard of has every once paid any attention at all to that crap of having a baby to get a government check. Having a child makes an at-best, in the most generous of states $50 a month difference in the Welfare check and less than that in Food Stamps.

And Medicaid (all Welfare recipients get Medicaid) pays for birth control. Always has done. The only incident that I have ever known of where it didn't was a pharmacist in a little New England town who told all the women Medicaid did not cover birth control pills while collecting the $$$ for the pills he did not give them from the state.

have you read McWhorter's books? I'm only briefly paraphrasing. He has read and researched a lot himself, so maybe he's partially wrong on some things, but his overall premise seems valid.

400 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:00:50am

Widow
that's why I am not on at night unless he is busy

401 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:01:06am

re: #391 Hengineer


food for thought. I am really not in the discussion so I'll shut my pie hole now.

402 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:01:56am
403 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:02:07am

re: #401 right wing zephyr

I like pie!

404 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:02:22am

re: #394 right wing zephyr

Don't tempt me!

Gotta get on 'em. You all have a great day!

405 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:02:27am

re: #372 christheprofessor

I don't have the stats or the welfare applications in front of me, but I'm willing to bet my retirement that there is an assload of HS dropouts on welfare as I type this.

I would not say they are the majority or ever have been, at least outside of major cities. One thing Welfare in most states does right (one of the very few things) is that it has always encouraged and paid for a GED for all non-diploma holding recipients.

Besides, Chris, you can't always judge by whether or not someone finished high school. Some kids drop out of high school just to hang out and do nothing, but is is also rather common for kids to drop out of high school to go to college. I've known many who have done this - and had a 16 year old leave high school without a diploma to go to Smith.

406 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:03:03am

re: #100 BabbaZee

BRAVE NEW WORLD

/I liked the old one better

That's because you can't smoke soma.

407 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:03:05am

re: #403 BabbaZee

I like pie............................my little-est mini-wheat has made that his mantra and inserts it into every conversation.

408 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:03:46am

re: #403 BabbaZee

I like pie!

Can't find Sir Cumference of the Round Table without Pie!

409 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:03:46am

re: #406 JamesTKirk

That's because you can't smoke soma.

I Abject!

lol

410 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:04:09am

I should probably stop this discussion anyway, I can only paraphrase McWhorter's book, and I did post a link to the Amazonian page earlier, I think I'll let the granny win

/bows

411 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:04:48am

re: #407 BulgarWheat

I like pie............................my little-est mini-wheat has made that his mantra and inserts it into every conversation.



Ha!

Watch for Spanky's "OoooOOOoo I like pie" in the diner

412 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:04:58am

re: #115 chief long name

Was that you what hid my spectacles this morning?

Not me, I'm busy making a spectacle of myself.

413 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:05:21am

re: #377 Hengineer

you seem quick to point out the people who weren't black.

I was focusing on McWhorter's arguments. He points out that the detractors who claim welfare isn't a black problem point that out a lot. He then brings up the "per capita" population, as to what % of the black population of America is on welfare, compared to those that aren't. He then says that those very same people point out the "per capita" population of prisons readily, but then seem to neglect to use the same per capita statistics with welfare.

If you paid attention to what I wrote about the Food Stamp program Hengineer, you would have noted that I specifically pointed out that at the time the Food Stamp program (which preceeds Welfare just slightly) was introduced the majority of the recipients were assumed to be black. As it turned out, the economic crises of the 70's put a huge number of whites on the programs as well. And virtually all American Indians who live on reservations are eligible for welfare/food stamps.

414 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:05:50am

re: #403 BabbaZee

My goodness.


so does this dude

415 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:05:52am

re: #285 Lucius Septimius

Well, just do the best you can with what you've got to work with.

416 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:05:55am

re: #363 Hengineer

I pay California state taxes...

I pity you.

417 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:06:34am

By the way, Jammie, if you are out there, just sent you another email :)

I think you will like it.

418 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:06:36am

re: #391 Hengineer

did you read the rest of my post? I was just pointing out that she seemed to be one of those that "nods sagely" at black apologists.

Yes welfare historically has been a black problem because of the per capita statistics.

That is bull shit.

419 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:06:54am

re: #411 BabbaZee

Spanky definitely liked pie.

420 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:07:03am

re: #410 Hengineer

I should probably stop this discussion anyway, I can only paraphrase McWhorter's book, and I did post a link to the Amazonian page earlier, I think I'll let the granny win

/bows

Granny Wins!

Go granny go!

421 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:07:17am

#411 BabbaZee

Part II

/Mighta choked Artie but it ain't gonna choke Stymie!

Part III

/the Lord done sent me Five Dollahs!

422 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:07:21am

re: #124 chief long name

re: #101 BabbaZee

I dint know you stuttered...

B-b-b-baby, you just ain't s-seen n-nothing yet...

423 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:07:41am

re: #405 galloping granny

I would not say they are the majority or ever have been, at least outside of major cities. One thing Welfare in most states does right (one of the very few things) is that it has always encouraged and paid for a GED for all non-diploma holding recipients.

Besides, Chris, you can't always judge by whether or not someone finished high school. Some kids drop out of high school just to hang out and do nothing, but is is also rather common for kids to drop out of high school to go to college. I've known many who have done this - and had a 16 year old leave high school without a diploma to go to Smith.

I think those are the exceptions. Didn't Colin Powell's organization recently note that something like 68% of kids in inner cities don't complete high school? What the hell is happening with them? I suspect that they aren't droppin out of high school to go to college...

424 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:07:46am

re: #413 galloping granny

If you paid attention to what I wrote about the Food Stamp program Hengineer, you would have noted that I specifically pointed out that at the time the Food Stamp program (which preceeds Welfare just slightly) was introduced the majority of the recipients were assumed to be black. As it turned out, the economic crises of the 70's put a huge number of whites on the programs as well. And virtually all American Indians who live on reservations are eligible for welfare/food stamps.

Yes, I do agree with that, and McWhorter does mention that part of the same problems that inner city poor blacks have, many of the Reservation Indians have as well, mainly because of the culture that developed about "not needing to work".

McWhorter was writing to focus on Black problems in America, he wasn't trying to focus on anyone else.

425 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:08:26am

re: #387 christheprofessor

Yup. I've got a stack of term papers to go through, and I'm dreading it.

Get some poor Grad Student to do it. That's what they're for, anyway.

426 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:08:31am

re: #415 3 wood

That's all you can do, I guess.

427 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:08:37am

re: #399 Hengineer

have you read McWhorter's books? I'm only briefly paraphrasing. He has read and researched a lot himself, so maybe he's partially wrong on some things, but his overall premise seems valid.

Perhaps it does if you know nothing about the welfare programs in this country, their regulations, administration and history, other than what you read in his book or in the press. If you actually knew anything about it, it would be utter bull shit.

428 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:08:44am
For over a year, we have been waging a relentless, nearly solitary battle in apprising the Congress and the American public about a billion dollar boondoggle and scandal: the lack of credible Arabic translators for our national security and intelligence agencies. As a result hundreds have been killed in Iraq from infiltration of our military and civilian intelligence agencies by agents of Islamist terrorists. Our FBI and CIA have been infiltrated by Muslim linguists who have successfully evaded polygraph tests and been able to pass on vital information to terror groups in the Middle East such as Hezbollah. Tens of thousands of documents, containing vital information on potential threats have gone untranslated in large measure because of bias in hiring practices against qualified Arabic, Farsi and Urdu speaking Christians, Jews and apostate Muslims. The result has been “chaos” according to a knowledgeable counter terrorism source. The problem is one of political correctness. Our government has been gulled by the argument that only Muslims can translate accurately their “holy language.” This is pure taqiyyah or religious dissimulation sanctioned by Islam.

[Link: www.newenglishreview.org...]

429 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:09:12am
430 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:09:21am

re: #153 Lucius Septimius

Y'know, my six year old saw that and immediately started singing the "Badger" song. He's seen it once and already has the cursed thing memorized.

My 3yo prefers Mango and Kenya, but he also knows Badger.

431 Widow'smight  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:09:41am

re: #400 BabbaZee

I'm not usually either, unless I'm working. When I start pesting my wife, she Replies "Don't you something better to do?", I wait a second (without having to think about it) and say "No, this is the best thing I can think of".

432 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:10:10am

re: #431 Widow'smight

lolololol

433 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:11:16am

re: #423 christheprofessor

I think those are the exceptions. Didn't Colin Powell's organization recently note that something like 68% of kids in inner cities don't complete high school? What the hell is happening with them? I suspect that they aren't droppin out of high school to go to college...

The graduation rate for Detroit Public Schools is 24.9%... and the population of Detroit is 83% black (as of the most recent census).

434 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:11:36am

re: #194 LittleRed1

"From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli" or Somalia as the case may be.

You can sing that song to the tune of the Gilligan's Island theme.

Marines hate that.

435 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:12:08am

re: #423 christheprofessor

I think those are the exceptions. Didn't Colin Powell's organization recently note that something like 68% of kids in inner cities don't complete high school? What the hell is happening with them? I suspect that they aren't droppin out of high school to go to college...

A couple of points here. About those "not completing high school" statistics, those are calculated on a per school basis and they include all of the kids who left that particular school for any reason. So, not only the kids who dropped out but the kids who transferred to a different school, those who decided to home school, those whose families moved. The true percentage of kids who are actually dropping out of school and not finishing school anywhere while also not acquiring a GED is much lower. There was a lengthy article on this when these figures were first released.

Also, note that this "statistic" - and I don't need to tell you about statistics - is specific to inner city schools, not schools in general.

436 Dolphin  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:14:39am

$1200 was deposited into my bank account yesterday from the US Treasury.

/just passing on info, don't want a debate - lol.

437 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:15:05am

re: #436 Dolphin

$1200 was deposited into my bank account yesterday from the US Treasury.

/just passing on info, don't want a debate - lol.

Still waiting for mine.

438 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:15:22am

re: #424 Hengineer

Yes, I do agree with that, and McWhorter does mention that part of the same problems that inner city poor blacks have, many of the Reservation Indians have as well, mainly because of the culture that developed about "not needing to work".

McWhorter was writing to focus on Black problems in America, he wasn't trying to focus on anyone else.

Now THAT is enough to make me swear like a friggin Marine! Have you ever been to an American Indian reservation you flaming asswipe? There is NOTHING - not the first damned thing - in miles. Sometimes hundreds of miles. No stores, no jobs, no employment, no health care, no gasoline, no "social services" - NOT A FUCKING THING. There is no culture that developed about not needing to work! There is NO WORK.

439 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:15:34am

re: #436 Dolphin

$1200 was deposited into my bank account yesterday from the US Treasury.

/just passing on info, don't want a debate - lol.

You're welcome..... we're getting zip, zero, nada... in fact, we got a bill....

440 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:16:04am

re: #315 pingjockey

Isn't today Int'l Commie day?

Yep. It's a "bank holiday" in Great Britain. Amusing that they close down the banks on Commie Day.

441 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:16:29am

re: #438 galloping granny

Ok calling me a flaming asswipe?

I was only paraphrasing McWhorter, but what is stopping an enterprising individual from starting his/her own business?

People seem to think that work just "comes" from on high.

442 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:16:30am
443 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:17:05am

MSM Captain Obvious statement of the Day: Iran Wants Americans in Iraq Killed

(Director) Hayden said. "Just make sure there's clarity on that."

444 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:17:29am

re: #349 BabbaZee

the whorification of women

*perks up*

What? What's that then?

445 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:17:30am

A couple Oklahoma boys got in a bit of trouble.

A lady named Saundra Vickers owned a dog named Luke. The dog was picked up and sent to the pound for getting out and running the streets. The day after this pickup, Saundra died.

The word somehow spread through town that the dog was going to be put down, since the owner had died.

So three guys, Matthew Gonzalez, James Thompson and Willie Justin Miller (a minor), hatched a plot:

Bust the dog out of the doggie-pokey so he can go to his owners funeral.

By the end of the story that is actually kind of touching is this:

The rumor about putting the dog down was false, and the two guys who are not minors are facing charges of second-degree burglary.

oops.

446 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:17:47am

Oh no

A fight broke out?

/I wasn't reading that discussion.

447 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:17:52am

re: #438 galloping granny

You are one of rudest people to ever post here...and you take joy in it..I PITY you.

448 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:18:19am

re: #444 JamesTKirk

*perks up*

What? What's that then?

James T LOL

Generation HO

449 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:18:38am

re: #442 BabbaZee

Mazel Dolphin!

450 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:18:41am

OH man

Yez are harshing my mellow yo

451 Call me Infidel  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:18:47am

re: #440 JamesTKirk

Yep. It's a "bank holiday" in Great Britain. Amusing that they close down the banks on Commie Day.

We get two "bank holiday's" in May. Then people wonder why British industry is uncompetitive!
Actually the May Day "bank holiday" is next Monday. Today some of us get to vote on local elections and hopefully give the socialist swine at No10 Downing St. a bloody nose.

452 Dolphin  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:18:48am

re: #442 BabbaZee

Mazel Dolphin!

LOL! Thanks made me laugh and I needed that this morning.

453 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:19:01am

re: #449 JamesTKirk

I swear I will watch it soon lol

454 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:19:08am

re: #447 storagemanager

You are one of rudest people to ever post here...and you take joy in it..I PITY you.

hey Boss, take it easy on granny.

455 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:19:34am

re: #441 Hengineer

Ok calling me a flaming asswipe?

I was only paraphrasing McWhorter, but what is stopping an enterprising individual from starting his/her own business?

People seem to think that work just "comes" from on high.

Are there laws FORCING people to stay in those reservations? In this day and age why have reservations anyway? AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN, why would thousands of poor white trash move from the panhandle of oklahoma with just about nothing to their name ALL THE WAY TO California.

The Grapes of Wrath was banned in my home county, Kern County, because it made the big name farms (many of which are still around) to be bad and evil.

Why can people do it then, but not now?

456 paxnhymn  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:19:42am

re: #438 galloping granny

Now THAT is enough to make me swear like a friggin Marine! Have you ever been to an American Indian reservation you flaming asswipe? There is NOTHING - not the first damned thing - in miles. Sometimes hundreds of miles. No stores, no jobs, no employment, no health care, no gasoline, no "social services" - NOT A FUCKING THING. There is no culture that developed about not needing to work! There is NO WORK.

Famous Sam Kinesson quote about folks in barren lands in Africa starving..
"We have deserts in America too! WE JUST DON'T LIVE THERE! AAAAAAAAHHHH!"

lighten up. some people create there own misery.

457 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:19:43am

re: #452 Dolphin

Don't we all!

458 beblebrox  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:19:48am

re: #439 Grammy Cracker

You're welcome..... we're getting zip, zero, nada... in fact, we got a bill....

so did we, but we actually qualify. it seems utterly stupid to send the IRS a check simply for them to turn around and send it back to us a month later.

459 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:19:55am

re: #438 galloping granny

Now THAT is enough to make me swear like a friggin Marine! Have you ever been to an American Indian reservation you flaming asswipe? There is NOTHING - not the first damned thing - in miles. Sometimes hundreds of miles. No stores, no jobs, no employment, no health care, no gasoline, no "social services" - NOT A FUCKING THING. There is no culture that developed about not needing to work! There is NO WORK.

We get it, granny...you're a big fan of the welfare state. Since you seem to know so much about it, I'll ask you something I've wanted to know for a long time....

If the Indians are sovereign nations, as they claim to be, why the hell are they eligible for welfare from MY nation?

/sarc. Guilty liberal white people

460 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:20:03am

re: #451 Call me Infidel

We get two "bank holiday's" in May. Then people wonder why British industry is uncompetitive!
Actually the May Day "bank holiday" is next Monday. Today some of us get to vote on local elections and hopefully give the socialist swine at No10 Downing St. a bloody nose.

If you get to beat up your politicians, I'm moving there. We don't get to. We just bend over and..... let them tax us more.

461 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:20:17am

re: #454 LanceKates

hey Boss, take it easy on granny.

"personal attacks"

462 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:20:34am

re: #454 LanceKates

hey Boss, take it easy on granny.


What I said was the truth.

463 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:20:42am

re: #454 LanceKates

I kinda like granny too, but she's plenty able to handle her own damn self.

/shuffling back to the corner

464 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:20:54am

re: #441 Hengineer

Ok calling me a flaming asswipe?

I was only paraphrasing McWhorter, but what is stopping an enterprising individual from starting his/her own business?

People seem to think that work just "comes" from on high.

Many American Indians have started their own businesses. But things are arranged differently on the reservations than in California. If you want to start an orchard on your land or open a car repair shop, you can. Your American Indian neighbors who live on reservations hold their land in trust for the community as a whole. Thus, if you build a house, you do not own the land that it sits on and might in fact be required to give it up - as the Supreme Court decision a few years back that settled the Hopi-Navajo boundary dispute required thousands of Navajo to do. If an orchard gets planted, that orchard belongs to the tribe - just like the mineral rights.

465 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:21:03am

oy

466 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:21:08am

re: #463 right wing zephyr

I kinda like granny too, but she's plenty able to handle her own damn self.

/shuffling back to the corner

I would've left well enough alone, but she called me a "flaming asswipe".

467 Widow'smight  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:21:35am

re: #432 BabbaZee

If your man doesn't want to chase you around, you got problems lady.

Got my 19 year old home from Pittsburgh last night at midnight. Mini-mom was upset with me cause I wouldn't let her great her sister at 7:00 this morning. She had tears in her eyes for awhile. Patience is a wonderful virtue for a dad, eventually she was happy again after I explained her sister would be here when she got home, and she's all hers then.

468 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:21:39am

I was called a pussy fascist off line
I win

LOL

469 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:21:42am

re: #455 Hengineer


I know some enterprising Injuns, myself.

470 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:21:45am

Wether or not she would do it is questionable, but at least she had the balls to say it.

Iran complains to U.N. about Clinton comment

"I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran (if it attacks Israel)," Clinton said in an interview on ABC's "Good Morning America."

"In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them," she said.

471 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:21:51am

re: #461 Hengineer

re: #462 storagemanager

re: #463 right wing zephyr

Nonetheless, it is thursday morning and I haven't even had my friggen coffee.

472 realwest  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:21:52am

Good morning y'all - from a moderate (52 degrees, going up to 77 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!

How is everyone doing this fine morning?

473 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:22:06am

re: #447 storagemanager

re: #438 galloping granny

You are one of rudest people to ever post here...

Damn. I have to work harder.

474 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:22:15am

re: #447 storagemanager

You are one of rudest people to ever post here...and you take joy in it..I PITY you.

Can't hold a candle to you storage.

475 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:22:15am

Good morning, Lizards!

A burglar broke into a house one night.

He shined his flashlight around, looking for valuables; and when he picked up a CD player to place in his sack, a strange, disembodied voice echoed from the dark saying, "Jesus is watching you."

He nearly jumped out of his skin, clicked his flashlight off, and froze. When he heard nothing more after a bit, he shook his head and continued.

Just as he pulled the stereo out so he could disconnect the wires, clear as a bell he heard, "Jesus is watching you."

Freaked out, he shined his light around frantically, looking for the source of the voice. Finally, in the corner of the room, his flashlight beam came to rest on a parrot.

"Did you say that?" He hissed at the parrot.

"Yep," the parrot confessed, then squawked, "I'm just trying to warn you."

The burglar relaxed. "Warn me, huh? Who in the world are you?"

"Moses," replied the bird.

"Moses?" the burglar laughed . "What kind of people would name a bird Moses?"

"The kind of people that would name a Rottweiler Jesus."

476 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:22:26am

re: #467 Widow'smight

I wait on him. Hand and foot.
He does not have to chase me anywhere.

No I am not kidding.

477 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:22:32am

re: #466 Hengineer

I understand. I was replying to Lance. And I'm going back to the peanut gallery to sling snark.

478 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:22:37am

re: #464 galloping granny

Many American Indians have started their own businesses. But things are arranged differently on the reservations than in California. If you want to start an orchard on your land or open a car repair shop, you can. Your American Indian neighbors who live on reservations hold their land in trust for the community as a whole. Thus, if you build a house, you do not own the land that it sits on and might in fact be required to give it up - as the Supreme Court decision a few years back that settled the Hopi-Navajo boundary dispute required thousands of Navajo to do. If an orchard gets planted, that orchard belongs to the tribe - just like the mineral rights.

I understand that (how very communist of them), but once again, what is forcing them to stay there? As far as I know there is no law forcing those people to live in that house on that reservation!

479 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:23:06am

re: #475 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I LOVE IT

480 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:23:10am

re: #466 Hengineer

I would've left well enough alone, but she called me a "flaming asswipe".

Don't pull an Obama with the "I was only paraphrasing" crap.

481 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:23:10am

re: #468 BabbaZee

I was called a pussy fascist off line
I win

LOL

what's a pussy facist? can't find any reference to that term anywhere.

482 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:23:18am

re: #477 right wing zephyr

lol

483 ibmkeyboard  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:23:20am

re: #362 rightside

Another one bites the dust!

picking beets with a step ladder!

gopher picks up his mail.

ground hog tells him first,
when the weather is gonna change.

484 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:23:32am

re: #481 BulgarWheat

what's a pussy facist? can't find any reference to that term anywhere.

lolololololololol

485 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:23:41am

re: #475 Who Watches the Watchmen?

haha good one!

486 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:23:46am

re: #473 JamesTKirk

Damn. I have to work harder.

post more pictures of you and spok 'on shore leave'

487 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:23:51am

re: #464 galloping granny

Many American Indians have started their own businesses. But things are arranged differently on the reservations than in California. If you want to start an orchard on your land or open a car repair shop, you can. Your American Indian neighbors who live on reservations hold their land in trust for the community as a whole. Thus, if you build a house, you do not own the land that it sits on and might in fact be required to give it up - as the Supreme Court decision a few years back that settled the Hopi-Navajo boundary dispute required thousands of Navajo to do. If an orchard gets planted, that orchard belongs to the tribe - just like the mineral rights.

Collectivism fails yet again. Imagine that...

488 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:23:52am

re: #458 beblebrox

so did we, but we actually qualify. it seems utterly stupid to send the IRS a check simply for them to turn around and send it back to us a month later.

Job security for the US Post Office.

489 The Albatross  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:24:30am
490 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:24:53am

I just dropped a whole box of toothpicks
AGGH

four thousand six hundred thirty three
thirty three

e

491 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:25:31am

re: #489 The Albatross

EXCELLENT spin!

492 The Albatross  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:25:46am

I get called a bunch of stuff... but no one dares say it to my face. I guess I am intimidating.

493 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:25:46am
In the immediate aftermath of the Sept. 11th terror attacks, President Bush demanded the Taliban government of Afghanistan produce Osama bin Laden so the he could be “brought to justice” and threatened military invasion only if he were not produced. Using the criminal justice system as a weapon of war was a continuation of U.S. policy with regard to our limited dealing with jihad. Obviously, Islamic warfare has been waged against the infidel world since the beginning of Islam, though we in our sheltered existence here in the United States were just beginning to take notice of it. The fact that jihad is considered by Muslims as holy war and as integral part of a Muslim’s sacred duty to expand Islamic territorial sovereignty, was and still is, lost on the President and his advisors. President Bush, following the lead of President Clinton, framed the conflict as one between our civilized justice system and a small band of criminal fanatics. This gross underestimation of jihad may prove to be one of the biggest mistakes in human history.

[Link: www.newenglishreview.org...]

494 Celtic Templar  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:25:54am

I don't know if anyone has heard this song, I just did today.

From 3 doors down:

Hope and pray, that you never need me.
Be rest assured I will not let you down.
I walk beside you, but you may not see me.
The strongest among you may not wear a crown.


Citizen Soldier Video on YouTube

Please ignore any of the dysfunctional comments (I did notice a few patriots wading in the cesspool of YouTube comments - good on them)

495 tfc3rid  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:26:14am

re: #488 JamesTKirk

Job security for the US Post Office.

Too bad it's starting now before the postal rates go up...

496 sparrowlake  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:26:22am

Happy May Day to all our proletarian Lizards - and to all our running capitalist dog-lizards too! LOL.

497 paxnhymn  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:26:27am

re: #481 BulgarWheat

what's a pussy facist? can't find any reference to that term anywhere.

vaginas in Tan shirts and Jackboots, maching in lockstep?....

/what a visual!

498 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:26:28am

re: #474 galloping granny

Can't hold a candle to you storage.

Lance,

See?

499 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:26:29am

re: #492 The Albatross

I get called a bunch of stuff... but no one dares say it to my face. I guess I am intimidating.

the Albatross is to be feared and respected.

ya pansy.......

heh

500 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:26:39am

re: #492 The Albatross

I get called a bunch of stuff... but no one dares say it to my face. I guess I am intimidating.

STFU asshole

LOL

501 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:26:48am

re: #499 BulgarWheat

haha

502 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:27:22am

re: #497 paxnhymn
We will know soon enough if Matt & Trey lurk here.

503 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:27:22am

re: #455 Hengineer

Are there laws FORCING people to stay in those reservations? In this day and age why have reservations anyway? AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN, why would thousands of poor white trash move from the panhandle of oklahoma with just about nothing to their name ALL THE WAY TO California.

The Grapes of Wrath was banned in my home county, Kern County, because it made the big name farms (many of which are still around) to be bad and evil.

Why can people do it then, but not now?

No, nothing "forces" "those people" to stay on "their land" other than that "their land" is "theirs" just as this entire country was - including your back yard. Each and every one of the reservations is an independent nation made with a sovereign government which chooses to be part of the United States. The lands are a settlement of treaty. To some of "those people" their ancestral lands are important, just as Denmark is important to some Danes or California is important to some Californians.

504 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:27:23am

re: #496 sparrowlake

Happy May Day to all our proletarian Lizards - and to all our running capitalist dog-lizards too! LOL.

Let Loose the Bongs of War!
GANJIHAD!

505 beblebrox  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:27:40am

re: #488 JamesTKirk

Job security for the US Post Office.

Perhaps. It just reminds me of the Aqua Teen Hunger Force episode where the aliens are on TV just stacking and unstacking a pile of boxes over and over again.

506 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:27:48am

re: #480 galloping granny

Don't pull an Obama with the "I was only paraphrasing" crap.

/snicker.

Again the personal attacks. Actually that's a logical fallacy of "guilt by association", forget what its called.

I was paraphrasing McWhorter, only because he mentions American Indian reservations in like 2 sentences, and VERY briefly at that. I've driven through or right by a reservation, actually. Driving across country with my dad, on or around the old route 66 section, I think we went through one in Arizona or New Mexico. And yes, it IS a desolate wasteland. But what is stopping the TRIBE from helping their brothers (how much money do they make from casinos?). I thought the whole point of a community sharing like that was they weren't supposed to be that poor or that downtrodden?

What happened to the New Socialist Era&trade?

507 realwest  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:28:07am

YO BABBA!

508 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:28:15am

re: #504 BabbaZee

I'll go fetch the Royal Bong from the Ganjihad Great Room.

509 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:28:18am

re: #492 The Albatross

They dont say it to my face
they say it on the net and via email

LOL

510 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:28:25am

re: #508 BulgarWheat

I'll go fetch the Royal Bong from the Ganjihad Great Room.

AMEN!

511 The Albatross  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:28:33am

Morning and happy Friday lizard minions....

We're on standby waiting for test results today to determine if the FIL is eligible for a "halo" radiation treatment for the brain tumor. If it's a go... I'll likely be tripping to Pensicola tomorrow.

The job search has been set aside but I put in for a phleb position. I follow up this afternoon.

512 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:28:42am

re: #507 realwest

YO BABBA!

Real! Right on time, Laddy!

513 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:28:52am

re: #487 Grammy Cracker

Collectivism fails yet again. Imagine that...

In this one particular case, several hundred years of capitalistic greed has much to do with that failure.

514 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:28:54am

re: #498 right wing zephyr

Lance,

See?

Point? Just because someone CAN stand up to people doesn't mean they have to do it alone.

I don't even know that I agree with her on this issue, but what was said to her was very disrespectful and more crass than I stand for.

Too often on the internet, we don't have little disagreements, we have insult and vulgarity filled rants.... because we don't look one another in the eye when we call them names.

515 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:28:55am

Did one of Rayra's relatives get an account on here?

/blink

516 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:28:55am

re: #486 LanceKates

post more pictures of you and spok 'on shore leave'

I don't think I've posted these here yet:

[Link: img219.imageshack.us...]

[Link: img219.imageshack.us...]

[Link: img219.imageshack.us...]

517 Endangered in MASS  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:29:16am

re: #430 JamesTKirk

My wife knows The Badger Song and the Female Dog Song

518 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:29:22am

re: #503 galloping granny

To some of "those people" their ancestral lands are important, just as Denmark is important to some Danes or California is important to some Californians.

That may be true, but why aren't they helping themselves? Oh I get it, you think they are unable to help themselves.

/sarc

519 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:29:35am
520 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:30:07am

re: #511 The Albatross

Best of luck to you, Albatross! And especially the FIL.

LGF prayer wheel spins back up...........

521 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:30:08am

re: #481 BulgarWheat

what's a pussy facist? can't find any reference to that term anywhere.

Cats that look like Hitler

522 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:30:09am

re: #513 galloping granny

In this one particular case, several hundred years of capitalistic greed has much to do with that failure.

What about the decades of capitalistic greed?

/Indian Casinos

523 Endangered in MASS  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:30:22am

re: #481 BulgarWheat

Ilsa of the SS?

524 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:30:24am

re: #515 Ward Cleaver

lololololololol

525 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:31:09am

re: #517 Endangered in MASS

My wife knows The Badger Song and the Female Dog Song

I have no clue what we are talking about here

526 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:31:14am

galloping granny---

just as...California is important to some Californians


I'm not seeing the connection here.

/bemusemnent from the basement

527 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:31:23am

re: #425 3 wood

It's a FERPA violation for grad students to grade...

At least, that's what they told me when they said my GA couldn't grade papers, or even enter grades into a gradebook.

528 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:31:35am

re: #521 JamesTKirk

where'd the hell did you find that?

my sides are splitting over here.......

529 paxnhymn  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:31:39am

re: #514 LanceKates

ohh...goodie...changed yer avatar I se ther pal. Good. Much better.The other one was creepy...kept waitin' for Max Headroom to reach for it or somethin'...

530 The Albatross  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:31:41am

re: #500 BabbaZee

STFU asshole

LOL

My rep has to do with my position on workplace politics and alliances... you find good standing with me if you actually DO your job. Alas, that makes me a rather unpopular person. I'd rather be fishing.

I suck at work and personal relationships.... so I hang out here

*grin*

531 beblebrox  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:31:54am

re: #516 JamesTKirk

I don't think I've posted these here yet:

[Link: img219.imageshack.us...]

[Link: img219.imageshack.us...]

[Link: img219.imageshack.us...]

Ypu have made my morning! The portrait of Spock that hangs in my office approves.

532 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:32:16am

re: #514 LanceKates


Hey pal! I'm not picking a fight here. I said that with a smile. lighten the fukk up.

/said with a smile

533 hayseed  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:32:17am

re: #440 JamesTKirk

Yep. It's a "bank holiday" in Great Britain. Amusing that they close down the banks on Commie Day.

I thought it was polling day in GB

534 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:32:43am
535 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:33:02am

re: #530 The Albatross

{Albatross!}

536 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:33:09am
Farrow has been vocal about world response to the crisis in Darfur, a region in Sudan where more than 200,000 people have died and 2.5 million have been forced from their homes amid four years of fighting between local rebels and government-allied janjaweed militias.

She has been particularly critical of China, one of Sudan's biggest trading partners. Beijing buys oil from the African nation and sells it weapons. Activists want Beijing to use its influence to pressure Sudan to stop the violence.

Farrow said China could easily act on Darfur, given its strong business ties to Sudan.

"China has a unique business relationship with Khartoum that the United Nations and no nation of the world has," she said.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

537 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:33:19am

re: #528 BulgarWheat

where'd the hell did you find that?

my sides are splitting over here.......

It's just one of the many cat picture sites floating around the net. And my wife likes cats, so she's seen 'em all.

538 ibmkeyboard  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:33:31am

Socialist Indians?!?

Tonto should have knocked the Lone Ranger off his horse and made him walk.

539 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:33:34am

re: #503 galloping granny

That's true, but you can't deny the welfare mentality that has grown on many reservations (which, oddly enough, also leads to high suicide rates... that whole depression thing)

Now, while love of homeland is important, one also has to go where the work is. That's why cities have become popular.

That's why, during the Great Depression, people moved where the work was. Oklahoma was especially hard hit, having already been in dire straits BEFORE the great depression.

People that could, made do. People that couldn't, moved.

The upside to welfare of any kind is that it helps those who are down and out on their luck. The downside to welfare of any kind is that it produces dependence, which is slavery by another name.

I don't want to see the american indian cultures destroyed (Hell, I AM one), but I do want to see american indians as Free men and women.

That takes independence. It takes Personal Responsibility. It takes alot of work that they can do (and many DO) . . . sometimes, that takes going where the work is.

540 realwest  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:33:35am

re: #508 BulgarWheat
Oh well, I reckon it's gonna be a while until we all see BulgarWheat again (what, you don't think he'll fetch without trying it, do you?!)!

541 Endangered in MASS  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:33:41am

re: #519 BabbaZee

Morning Babba and RW.

542 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:33:48am

re: #530 The Albatross

They used to call me "the Big Bad Wolf" at work
lol

543 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:33:59am

re: #531 beblebrox

Ypu have made my morning! The portrait of Spock that hangs in my office approves.

Is it this portrait?

544 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:34:02am

re: #537 JamesTKirk

the best answer I've seen so far, and there've been a bunch of 'em

545 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:34:02am

re: #538 ibmkeyboard

Socialist Indians?!?

Tonto should have knocked the Lone Ranger off his horse and made him walk.

KEYBOOOOOOOOOARDICUS

lololololol

546 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:34:13am

re: #514 LanceKates

I guess you were not here last week.

547 paxnhymn  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:34:40am

re: #536 storagemanager

anything Mia Farrow puts her name behind loses credibility in my eyes...that's unfortunate because darfour is real...she ain't!

548 David Simon  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:34:44am

re: #439 Grammy Cracker

You're welcome..... we're getting zip, zero, nada... in fact, we got a bill....

Whoops. You made the mistake of becoming successful. No "rebate" for you.

/how is it a fucking rebate when millions of people who don't pay federal income tax receive it, and millions of others who pay almost all of the federal income tax don't?

549 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:34:49am

re: #540 realwest

shaddup and hand me the Doritos!

heh

550 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:34:52am

re: #506 Hengineer

The Shawnee tribe in Oklahoma has been making strides in the 'help the tribe' area by leaps and bounds.

551 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:35:07am

re: #518 Hengineer

That may be true, but why aren't they helping themselves? Oh I get it, you think they are unable to help themselves.

/sarc

It's all OUR fault! Get with the program, boy! We're responsible because we're greedy white capitalists who dare to think that what we earn should be OURS, and that many others could earn their own if they had enough gumption. We're just evil white capitalist pigs....

/Oink

552 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:35:27am

re: #541 Endangered in MASS

{EiM}

JIC you did not see this in my post way upthread

you have to watch it

James Teee you too

553 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:35:46am

re: #550 LanceKates

The Shawnee tribe in Oklahoma has been making strides in the 'help the tribe' area by leaps and bounds.

Good for them! and I mean that!

554 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:35:57am

re: #513 galloping granny

In this one particular case, several hundred years of capitalistic greed has much to do with that failure.

What is your alternative?

555 ibmkeyboard  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:35:57am

re: #530 The Albatross

I suck at work and personal relationships.... so I hang out here


Great minds think....

556 realwest  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:36:04am

re: #511 The Albatross Hey - prayers and best wishes going up for your FIL! Hope he gets whatever that treatment is.
BTW, what is a phleb position?!

557 beblebrox  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:36:12am

re: #543 JamesTKirk

Is it this portrait?

Love it! It is now.

558 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:36:28am

re: #506 Hengineer

/snicker.

Again the personal attacks. Actually that's a logical fallacy of "guilt by association", forget what its called.

I was paraphrasing McWhorter, only because he mentions American Indian reservations in like 2 sentences, and VERY briefly at that. I've driven through or right by a reservation, actually. Driving across country with my dad, on or around the old route 66 section, I think we went through one in Arizona or New Mexico. And yes, it IS a desolate wasteland. But what is stopping the TRIBE from helping their brothers (how much money do they make from casinos?). I thought the whole point of a community sharing like that was they weren't supposed to be that poor or that downtrodden?

What happened to the New Socialist Era™?

On Route 66 you would have traveled through the Navajo reservation. The tribe does help and the Navajo are quite enterprising. They have one of the largest truck farm operations in the southwest, in the middle of the desert, using techniques they borrowed from the Israelis. None the less, the Navajo Reservation is larger than all of New England and inhabited by only about 200,000 souls. There are two or three tiny areas of about a square mile each where what you would consider a "regular" business can operate.

The Navajo, along with many other tribes, have specifically chosen not to operate casinos, feeling that the atmosphere that surrounds them does not enhance their traditional values. They have also chosen not to host the nuclear waste storage facilities &/or further exploration for uranium - as would you.

In the case of the American Indians, the communities do not share from some communist principle or even choice, but rather because this was forced on them by the treaties and agreements made with the government of the United States of America. The prohibition against individual ownership of the land is to prevent reservation land being sold off.

559 sparrowlake  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:36:33am

re: #508 BulgarWheat

I'll go fetch the Royal Bong from the Ganjihad Great Room.

Let's do it!
Meeeeeeeeowwwwww!

560 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:36:42am

re: #551 Grammy Cracker

It's all OUR fault! Get with the program, boy! We're responsible because we're greedy white capitalists who dare to think that what we earn should be OURS, and that many others could earn their own if they had enough gumption. We're just evil white capitalist pigs....

/Oink

You do that so well!

I always wonder where this "white establishment power" is and how I can tap into it.

561 laZardo  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:36:42am

I only have hope?

Then why don't I want to vote for Obama?

/good evening everyone!

562 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:36:47am

re: #516 JamesTKirk

I don't think I've posted these here yet:

[Link: img219.imageshack.us...]

[Link: img219.imageshack.us...]

[Link: img219.imageshack.us...]

The third one made me laugh.

563 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:37:06am

re: #559 sparrowlake

Sparrow
He'll be a while

LOL

564 scaramouche  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:37:17am

A desperate Fauxbama plays the sympathy card. (He says he can't be "elitist" because his daddy left when he was a kid, and he didn't have the advantages of rich white candidates, Hillary and John.)

565 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:37:18am

re: #552 BabbaZee

{EiM}

JIC you did not see this in my post way upthread

you have to watch it

James Teee you too

Watching...

566 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:37:29am

re: #559 sparrowlake

I've got me mellow back

567 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:37:29am

re: #529 paxnhymn

ohh...goodie...changed yer avatar I se ther pal. Good. Much better.The other one was creepy...kept waitin' for Max Headroom to reach for it or somethin'...

well, I hate to disappoint.

*grin*

568 The Albatross  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:37:35am

re: #535 BabbaZee

{Albatross!}

Hey, thanks for the hug... I'm a work in progress but I got no illusions... I'm a Bitch was an anthem for me...

I've toned it down as I've mellowed with the passage of time... now it's more like Hands

569 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:37:44am

re: #561 laZardo

Shoot the hopium now you slanty ass half a honky

and watch this

570 realwest  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:37:47am

re: #512 BulgarWheat
Well actually a few minutes late, but who's watching the clock this early? Bulgar? Bulgar you out there - I can't see through this sea of arms and hands! LOL!

571 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:38:46am

re: #562 LanceKates

The third one made me laugh.

Help from McCoy (for those who wondered why he was on the Bridge).

572 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:38:57am

Well, this is friggen gross.

Restaurant in FL was found to have been storing bread in the bathroom.

573 The Albatross  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:39:02am

re: #542 BabbaZee

Heh. Got you beat baby girl... I was a Student Training Advisor in the service (at 20)... I was The Bitch. But I am steadily gaining ground... now I am just blunt.

574 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:39:07am

re: #568 The Albatross

second linky no worky

I never considered myself a bitch
I think I am very nice LOL

IMO the hatey people simply resent their inability to manipulate me in any direction

575 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:39:15am

re: #570 realwest

arms and legs akimbo...........................

yeah, I'm here brother, under a pile of flailing lizard tales and various body parts.

576 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:39:26am

I'm reading through a Government of California page on the History of Indian Gaming in California...its interesting...

577 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:39:34am
MK Limor Livnat (Likud) demanded that the government appeal the Nazareth District Court's decision to allow the Islamic Movement to hold a Nakba ceremony on Israel's Independence Day.

"It's unbelievable that on Holocaust Memorial Day the court could make such a decision. Today is the day for it to remember that Israel is a Jewish state," she said. (Amnon Meranda)

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

578 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:39:36am

re: #571 JamesTKirk

Help from McCoy (for those who wondered why he was on the Bridge).

I always thought that thing was an Etch-a-Sketch.

579 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:39:41am

re: #576 Hengineer

I'm reading through a Government of California page on the History of Indian Gaming in California...its interesting...

[Link: www.library.ca.gov...]

580 paxnhymn  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:39:43am

re: #539 LanceKates

lemme add to that...

it ALWAYS takes going where the food, money, or jobs are at...always has!

581 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:39:45am

re: #546 storagemanager

Point?

582 Call me Infidel  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:39:49am

re: #460 LanceKates

If you get to beat up your politicians, I'm moving there. We don't get to. We just bend over and..... let them tax us more.

Sadly it's only a literal bloody nose, but today they get to vote for the Mayor of London which means Red Ken Livingstone may be out of work tomorrow. No doubt his pledge of funds for the mega mosque will have his islamist chums out voting for him in droves. However the voting system is complicated in as much as there are first and second choice candidates. The polls are predicting the Conservative Boris Johnson will win by a narrow margin. I hope so as I would love to see that smug git Livingstone at the dole office....

583 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:39:55am

re: #565 JamesTKirk

BTW I have a staggering thing for Gary Oldman

584 irongrampa  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:40:08am

Good morning from sunny New York, still another great day here, chilly mornings, but nice later on. Finished the bearings on the mower deck, so the committee has decreed the lawn must be mowed today--dammit!

585 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:40:13am

re: #548 David Simon

Whoops. You made the mistake of becoming successful. No "rebate" for you.

/how is it a fucking rebate when millions of people who don't pay federal income tax receive it, and millions of others who pay almost all of the federal income tax don't?

two words:

Election Year.

586 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:40:26am

re: #566 BulgarWheat

I've got me mellow back

ARRRR!

587 The Albatross  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:40:34am

re: #556 realwest

Thanks realwest... phlebotomy (another not for profit).

588 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:40:52am

re: #585 LanceKates

two words:

Election Year.

Tax Rebate = interest free loan to government anyway

589 realwest  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:41:11am

re: #519 BabbaZee
Ah, Babba - now that's a sorta middle aged oldie but a goodie!
Was watching Fox when I was gulping down my breakfast this morning and they had Carly Simon on and this Talking head asks her "So when are you gonna tell us who "You're So Vain" was written about?!
WHAT?! He's too young to even remember that song when it first came out! LOL!
Hey doofus, here's a clue:

590 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:41:52am

re: #558 galloping granny

In the case of the American Indians, the communities do not share from some communist principle or even choice, but rather because this was forced on them by the treaties and agreements made with the government of the United States of America. The prohibition against individual ownership of the land is to prevent reservation land being sold off.

Those treaties do not include an inability to buy land elsewhere.

Many american indians do not live on the reservations. They live next to you or next to me.

591 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:41:57am

re: #589 realwest

My mom has that Sheena Easton CD.

592 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:42:04am

re: #589 realwest

oy oy oy

593 Endangered in MASS  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:42:25am

re: #552 BabbaZee


PCP is a helluva drug.

594 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:42:37am

re: #581 LanceKates

Point?

seen Irish Rose lately?

595 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:42:41am

re: #571 JamesTKirk

Help from McCoy (for those who wondered why he was on the Bridge).

Well, with you and spok always bumping ugly, someone had to take care of the alien/human stds.

596 Call me Infidel  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:42:47am

re: #572 LanceKates

Well, this is friggen gross.

Restaurant in FL was found to have been storing bread in the bathroom.

That's nothing on a recent immigration raid on a Chinese takeaway near me they found chicken being defrosted in the toilet!

597 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:43:01am

re: #590 LanceKates

Those treaties do not include an inability to buy land elsewhere.

Many american indians do not live on the reservations. They live next to you or next to me.

Hell I went to California Maritime with one who was PART Indian. Hell he received an NAACP scholarship once, and he told me the story, it was amusing, how he went to pick up the check from the local NAACP, and he is white as they come.

598 The Albatross  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:43:02am

Second attempt at my lyrical self identification... Hands (Jewel)

Crap... allergy shot in 15 minutes.

Sieze the day lizards!

*Poof* (gone)

599 Widow'smight  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:43:16am

re: #476 BabbaZee

It's a hard knock life for us, It's a hard knock life for us,
Noone cares for you a smidge, when you're in a orphanage ....

Oh, wrong song.

More precious than silver are you to him.

600 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:43:23am

re: #593 Endangered in MASS

PCP is a helluva drug.

Personal experience?

601 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:43:56am

re: #580 paxnhymn

lemme add to that...

it ALWAYS takes going where the food, money, or jobs are at...always has!

We all have needs. Food and Shelter are two of the more important ones.

(More Cowbell is in there somewhere as well.)

602 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:43:59am
603 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:44:12am

re: #596 Call me Infidel

That's nothing on a recent immigration raid on a Chinese takeaway near me they found chicken being defrosted in the toilet!

It's called "multi-tasking", you Eurocentrist!

604 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:44:27am

re: #539 LanceKates

That's true, but you can't deny the welfare mentality that has grown on many reservations (which, oddly enough, also leads to high suicide rates... that whole depression thing)

Now, while love of homeland is important, one also has to go where the work is. That's why cities have become popular.

That's why, during the Great Depression, people moved where the work was. Oklahoma was especially hard hit, having already been in dire straits BEFORE the great depression.

People that could, made do. People that couldn't, moved.

The upside to welfare of any kind is that it helps those who are down and out on their luck. The downside to welfare of any kind is that it produces dependence, which is slavery by another name.

I don't want to see the american indian cultures destroyed (Hell, I AM one), but I do want to see american indians as Free men and women.

That takes independence. It takes Personal Responsibility. It takes alot of work that they can do (and many DO) . . . sometimes, that takes going where the work is.

Lance, I don't think the welfare mentality has "grown" on our American Indian reservations. If anything, it is being fought tooth and nail. You need to remember that especially in the cases of the Southwest tribes and the Sioux, but also the Oklahoma tribes, these are people who were forced out of their homes, marched hundreds or thousands of miles away, incarcerated and literally ripped from their culture. They were forbidden to hunt, sometimes forbidden to own a horse and even forbidden to leave the reservations - as little as 100 years ago.

As recently as the 1970s Navajo children were forcibly taken from their homes at about age 5 and shipped off to "Indian schools" where they were not allowed to speak their native language, wear their own clothes, follow their own customs or even see their families. There is to this day a tremendous amount of bitterness and lots of identity confusion among the people of the generations that experienced that.

These are the last people that anyone in this country needs to lecture about Personal Responsibility.

605 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:44:33am

re: #593 Endangered in MASS

I found out once by accident.
Smoked a joint that was laced at RHPS.

On the way home I decided I needed to swim.
On the sidewalk.

Shit like that NEVER happened to me
even on three hits of mesc.

Bad voodoo that

606 realwest  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:44:34am

re: #527 christheprofessor Hey good morning to you!
Didja hear about this woman "professor" (currently unemployed, iirc) who's suing some big name University for the conduct of her students in class? Yeppers, she says they (the students) were so disruptive in class that it broke her will to teach!
No lie! LOL!

607 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:44:37am

Gotta run, just when it's getting *interesting*.... Well, it's always interesting here at LGF, but I do have an appointment this morning, so must go....

Make it a great day, Lizards!

/BBL

608 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:44:46am

re: #435 galloping granny

Realistically, what percent of the non-grads transfered to another school? Probably not much...

I honestly don't have a problem helping those in need -- but it should be to get on their feet, not a career choice (a safety net, not a hammock, as they say).

Reports after Katrina were that there were 5th and 6th generation welfare recipients who were too damned stupid and dependent on the government to get the hell out of the way. I'm sure there is plenty of work there -- why do generation after generation live on the dole?

609 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:44:51am

re: #594 storagemanager

seen Irish Rose lately?


A snide comment was made to herlast week...she has not come back,,What I said was tame.

610 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:44:52am

re: #599 Widow'smight

Widow, he deserves it.

611 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:45:02am

re: #588 Hengineer

Tax Rebate = interest free loan to government anyway

Eh, I don't mind giving the government an interest free loan each year if it means that I only ever deal with the IRS from the standpoint of them owing ME money.

They tend to be MUCH friendlier then.

612 laZardo  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:45:22am

re: #569 BabbaZee

...Danny Trejo?

613 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:45:57am

re: #601 LanceKates

We all have needs. Food and Shelter are two of the more important ones.

(More Cowbell is in there somewhere as well.)

[Link: img376.imageshack.us...]

614 Endangered in MASS  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:46:04am

re: #600 Hengineer

Thankfully not.

615 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:46:06am

re: #594 storagemanager

seen Irish Rose lately?

Yeah, she and I have had arguments as well. Doesn't mean we have to try and verbally destroy them.

You never know what stresses are working in someone's live to put them in a cranky mood on any given day, and trying to tear them a new one often serves no purpose.

616 paxnhymn  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:46:11am

re: #600 Hengineer

Personal experience?

it was in my case a loooonnnng time ago unfortunately. Endangered's right....I'm lucky to be alive!

617 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:46:19am

re: #612 laZardo

Is that where that clip is from?

618 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:46:30am

re: #596 Call me Infidel

That's nothing on a recent immigration raid on a Chinese takeaway near me they found chicken being defrosted in the toilet!

*pukes*

thanks, I didn't need that breakfast anyway..

619 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:46:30am

re: #551 Grammy Cracker

It's all OUR fault! Get with the program, boy! We're responsible because we're greedy white capitalists who dare to think that what we earn should be OURS, and that many others could earn their own if they had enough gumption. We're just evil white capitalist pigs....

/Oink

Actually Grammy, one whole hell of a lot of it is the fault of specifically the United States Government - thus We the People.

620 hayseed  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:46:33am

re: #590 LanceKates

the Spotted Horse family lives down the road from me. real nice folks they are

621 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:47:15am

re: #615 LanceKates

Yeah, she and I have had arguments as well. Doesn't mean we have to try and verbally destroy them.

You never know what stresses are working in someone's live to put them in a cranky mood on any given day, and trying to tear them a new one often serves no purpose.


I just wanna "Be Heard"!

/lefty psychobabble off

622 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:47:27am
Indian Cleric Ashraf Mohamedy: Every Muslim Should Be a Terrorist against the Anti-Social Elements in Society

[Link: www.memritv.org...]

623 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:47:28am

re: #615 LanceKates

You never know what stresses are working in someone's live to put them in a cranky mood on any given day, and trying to tear them a new one often serves no purpose.

That's just the sort of idiotic post I'd expect from an Evolution-denying, flyover moron like you.

Good morning!

624 realwest  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:47:38am

re: #541 Endangered in MASS Good morning to ya! How are you doing today?

625 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:47:51am

re: #616 paxnhymn

{Pax}

626 paxnhymn  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:48:05am

re: #604 galloping granny


These are the last people that anyone in this country needs to lecture about Personal Responsibility.

WRONG! People need to be constantly reminded about personal responsibility, or they become comfortable and complacent. Nothing wrong with it!

627 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:48:10am

re: #623 Occasional Reader

hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa

628 sparrowlake  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:48:10am

re: #566 BulgarWheat

I've got me mellow back

You started without us?
Then take this!
BBL.

629 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:48:50am

I think I will go back to only posting in spin-off...crap is too thick here.

630 David Simon  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:48:50am

re: #585 LanceKates

two words:

Election Year.

I don't think so. If that were the ploy, everyone (including "rich" folks like me) would get a "rebate."

There may be some merit in the economic stimulus argument (put the money in the hands of people who are more likely to spend it, rather than save it); we'll see. What pisses the hell out of me is the damned euphemism.

631 laZardo  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:48:54am

re: #617 BabbaZee

Nah, just recognized the actor. Machete's gonna be a new retro-style feature from the ol' QT.

632 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:48:54am

re: #522 Hengineer

What about the decades of capitalistic greed?

/Indian Casinos

As far as I am concerned reagrding the reservations in the Midwest, they make plenty of money off the white man as it is. Some of these places are huge. They've also gone in and bought land in Milwaukee and Detroit for casinos.

As for being in desolate areas, maybe out west, but here, the Ojibwa have been pretty savvy with their investments.

633 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:48:59am

re: #627 BabbaZee

hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa

What are YOU laughing at, Bible-thumper?!

634 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:49:05am

re: #626 paxnhymn

WRONG! People need to be constantly reminded about personal responsibility, or they become comfortable and complacent. Nothing wrong with it!

Speaking of which, have you had your lecture today?

635 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:49:28am
636 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:49:47am

re: #631 laZardo

I hate that MFer

637 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:49:53am

re: #628 sparrowlake

yeah, well I finished off the Doritos too.

anyone going to Taco Bell anytime soon?

638 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:50:16am
Worshippers at a Muslim shrine in western India have been dropping babies from a tower for good luck.

The "good luck babies" are thrown from a height of 50ft on to a cloth sheet in a bizarre ritual that is thought to bring them good health.


[Link: www.itv.com...]

639 realwest  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:50:21am

re: #566 BulgarWheat

Then give me back the damn Doritos! LOL!

640 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:50:23am

re: #633 Occasional Reader

May the Holy one of Israel smite your underscrotal area with a red rash!

641 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:50:33am

re: #637 BulgarWheat

Nah, good old USNS Kanawha gourmet food.

642 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:50:48am

re: #590 LanceKates

Those treaties do not include an inability to buy land elsewhere.

Many american indians do not live on the reservations. They live next to you or next to me.

Sure. Sometimes they are you or me. That does not mean that those who choose to remain on the reservations, who wish to live in their ancestral home following something that resembles their ancestral way of life should be forced to leave or live some other life style.

643 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:50:48am

AKA
Backkaballs

644 Call me Infidel  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:51:05am
why do generation after generation live on the dole?


I'm afraid because we allow them to do it. Over here in Britain the OECD has published data showing that 42% of a working persons income goes back to the government in tax of one form or another. Yesterday I was dealing with a case which involved a middle eastern "asylum seeker" who is collecting about $400 a week for himself as he is "incapacitated" this includes a carers allowance for his wife. Unfortunately for him his wife has a job "on the side" so hopefully his welfare teat can be shut off. If you multiply this by millions you start to see where some of the tax goes.

645 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:51:12am

re: #639 realwest

it's just an empty bag, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!

646 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:51:30am

re: #596 Call me Infidel

That's nothing on a recent immigration raid on a Chinese takeaway near me they found chicken being defrosted in the toilet!

That calls for this - The Cat's in the Kettle (at the Peking Moon)

Meow!

647 paxnhymn  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:51:46am

re: #622 storagemanager


in Dixie we call people like that..."target practice"...

648 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:52:09am

re: #642 galloping granny

So you're saying because they choose to live the way their ancestors did (or as close as reservations can allow it) means that my taxes pay for their choice?

649 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:53:27am

I think that if you accept US Government money, then the US Government should be able to tell you what to do with that money (this applies to countries that receive our welfare too!)

650 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:53:29am
The University of Ranchi Thursday hurriedly cancelled its post-graduation history paper after thousands of Muslims took to the streets protesting against a reference to Prophet Mohammed they said was derogatory.

'A five-member committee has been constituted (to probe) the question paper. The examination has been cancelled,' Vice Chancellor A.H. Khan announced, shortly after his meeting with Chief Minister Madhu Koda.

The question in the history paper referred to Prophet Mohammed's life. The examination took place Wednesday.

[Link: www.bombaynews.net...]

651 paxnhymn  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:53:37am

re: #634 Hengineer

Speaking of which, have you had your lecture today?

damn straight! Mrs. Pax looked at my pudgy lil ass and game the the what for about my, heart, health, cholesteral, et al....I'm good for the day.....

/ no hypocracy here!

652 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:53:45am

re: #608 christheprofessor

Unfortunately, that entitlement attitude is all to prevalent in and around New Orleans. It goes back before Huey Long.

As it was, they were warned after Betsy to fix the levees and plan for another Cat 3 or larger. That was 40 years before Katrina that they were warned. They did nothing. Hell, they knew about flooding problems even before the Great Flood of 1927.

653 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:53:53am
654 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:53:55am

re: #651 paxnhymn

damn straight! Mrs. Pax looked at my pudgy lil ass and game the the what for about my, heart, health, cholesteral, et al....I'm good for the day.....

/ no hypocracy here!

Preach it brotha!

655 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:54:04am

re: #641 Hengineer

good military chow, and coffee with grounds. Yum!

656 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:54:27am

#590 Lance Kates:

Many american indians do not live on the reservations. They live next to you or next to me.

Indians?! Why, there isn't an Indian within a hundred miles of he... [whiiirTHUNK OR gets hit with arrow]

(Old Western movie standby)

657 realwest  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:54:28am

re: #587 The Albatross
Ah, been there, done that - although I was on the Board of two charities, never got paid a cent and gave up a whole helluva lotta my own dough.
Then - although it took me two years - I quit and ratted out Elizabeth Dole!
Felt SOO good!

658 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:54:28am
659 Call me Infidel  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:54:29am

re: #646 Kosh's Shadow

lol

660 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:54:35am

re: #652 Honorary Yooper

Unfortunately, that entitlement attitude is all to prevalent in and around New Orleans. It goes back before Huey Long.

As it was, they were warned after Betsy to fix the levees and plan for another Cat 3 or larger. That was 40 years before Katrina that they were warned. They did nothing. Hell, they knew about flooding problems even before the Great Flood of 1927.

In a way I don't blame them that much, the levees' were built and "maintained" by the US Army Corps of Engineers. They were the ones that kinda fucked up.

661 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:54:50am

Gotta go - phone
BBL

662 paxnhymn  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:55:15am

re: #651 paxnhymn

damn straight! Mrs. Pax looked at my pudgy lil ass and game the the what for about my, heart, health, cholesteral, et al....I'm good for the day.....

/ no hypocracy here!

PIMF..she gave me the "what for"


/damn!

663 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:55:39am
KHARTOUM, May 1 (Reuters) - Sudan will decide in two weeks whether to charge five people suspected of murdering a U.S. diplomat and his driver on Jan. 1, state media said on Thursday.

[Link: africa.reuters.com...]

664 Endangered in MASS  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:56:06am

re: #624 realwest

Things are fine. Thanks for asking. How's by you?

665 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:56:37am

re: #527 christheprofessor

It's a FERPA violation for grad students to grade...

At least, that's what they told me when they said my GA couldn't grade papers, or even enter grades into a gradebook.

Well, they are full of crap, but if that is their interpretation you are stuck with it.

666 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:56:39am

re: #604 galloping granny

Lance, I don't think the welfare mentality has "grown" on our American Indian reservations. If anything, it is being fought tooth and nail.

I've worked with people who served as missionaries on tribal lands across the United States. They talk about trying to get people motivated to work, who sit all day and shoot rubber bands at cardboard cutouts. Or they go and work at a tribal casino (Especially a big problem in MN) for a couple weeks when they need extra cash, then just stop showing up. Given tribal regulations, if a member of the tribe applies for a job, they get special consideration and more or less need to be hired.... so this pattern is regular. It is horrible what was done to them generations ago (and yes, 100 years ago is generations). However, blaming current situations on what was done generations ago is no different than suggesting that black people live in urban areas and are poor because of slavery.

That is the force that needs to be fought. We can't allow our tribes to sink into a victim mentality. It doesn't matter what was done in the past, only what you are willing to do, as an individual, now. THAT is personal responsibility.

You need to remember that especially in the cases of the Southwest tribes and the Sioux, but also the Oklahoma tribes, these are people who were forced out of their homes, marched hundreds or thousands of miles away, incarcerated and literally ripped from their culture.

And who was on this trail of tears that is still living?

Do you also hold that whitey needs to make ammends and pay reparations for slavery?

They were forbidden to hunt, sometimes forbidden to own a horse and even forbidden to leave the reservations - as little as 100 years ago.

Most (if not all) states that have indian tribes have SPECIAL regulations to protect their ability to hunt, trap and fish. There are YEARLY rants in Minnesota when the state wants to open up more fishing, always stopped by the indian tribes who don't want the white man to 'horn in' on their fishing rights. What you describe no longer exists.

As recently as the 1970s Navajo children were forcibly taken from their homes at about age 5 and shipped off to "Indian schools" where they were not allowed to speak their native language, wear their own clothes, follow their own customs or even see their families. There is to this day a tremendous amount of bitterness and lots of identity confusion among the people of the generations that experienced that.

Yup, and those were roundly looked upon as a horrible thing. You want to talk about identify confusion? Find a textbook in public schools that paints the pilgrims as God-loving good people. All you read about is how they tried to kill the indians with infected blankets (oddly enough, prior to the discovery of germs, the pilgrims knew about biological warfare, eh?), or how the indians and pilgrims hated one another.

Not a lick of it is true, but we're not taught that. We're not allowed to view the white man as good, only evil.

These are the last people that anyone in this country needs to lecture about Personal Responsibility.

667 realwest  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:57:21am

re: #591 Hengineer
Who's Sheena Easton?!

668 MES41067  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:57:29am

667

669 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:57:42am

re: #665 3 wood

Well, they are full of crap, but if that is their interpretation you are stuck with it.

Absolutely -- FERPA doesn't anything to do with it.

670 David Simon  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:57:45am

re: #608 christheprofessor

Reports after Katrina were that there were 5th and 6th generation welfare recipients who were too damned stupid and dependent on the government to get the hell out of the way. I'm sure there is plenty of work there -- why do generation after generation live on the dole?

So you have a problem with people who lay around on cots all day being given $2,000 debit cards while watching others get paid to clean up the mess? Man, are you heartless.

671 MES41067  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:57:50am

LOL

672 Widow'smight  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:57:59am

re: #610 BabbaZee

I heard once that "Mercy" is not getting what you really deserve, and "Grace" is getting something you don't deserve.

I just hope I'm able to return some of those to others the way I've been blessed with them.

Today is my nutzie day/week.

I must roll, God Bless

673 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:58:13am

REAL!

How's it shakin'?

674 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:58:28am

re: #619 galloping granny

Actually Grammy, one whole hell of a lot of it is the fault of specifically the United States Government - thus We the People.

You still haven't stated what the alternative was.

Should whitey have stayed in Europe?

675 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:58:36am

I was called crazy

.....May 1 (Bloomberg) -- Gulf states are considering dropping their pegs to the dollar after the U.S. currency's decline stoked inflation across the region, Kuwaiti Finance Minister Mustafa al- Shimali said.

``Yes, there are some'' Gulf Cooperation Council states considering dropping their pegs to the dollar, which has fallen 13 percent against the euro in the last 12 months, al-Shimali said in an interview in Kuwait late yesterday. ``Some countries will do what we are doing.''

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

676 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:58:49am

Where did I put them nail scissors?

/how about some nice lesbian music?

677 paxnhymn  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:59:00am

re: #666 LanceKates

last line was sarc, hunh?

678 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:59:09am

re: #660 Hengineer

In a way I don't blame them that much, the levees' were built and "maintained" by the US Army Corps of Engineers. They were the ones that kinda fucked up.

I do blame them. They have parish levee boards down there, and each parish is responsible for some of the levees (not the USACE ones). The USACE ones actually performed pretty well when they were maintained properly; however, some of the parish built ones are the ones that failed. A good case in point of maintenance is the 17th Street Canal levees. On the Jefferson Parish side, the levee was maintained properly and did not fail. The Orleans Parish side was another story altogether. They did not maintain the levee, and they even let trees grow too close to the levee! Hence, the levee was weak and had been undermined by the trees before Katrina. When the surge came up the canal, the levee broke.

So yes, I do blame them.

679 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:59:23am

re: #623 Occasional Reader

That's just the sort of idiotic post I'd expect from an Evolution-denying, flyover moron like you.

Good morning!

you're just lucky I've finished my first coffee.....

*grin*

680 Golem Akbar  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:59:38am

Mornin' all Lizards, including Lizardim and Lizardot.
May Day in LA. Police and demonstators are going to be having some fun today. If I didn't have to work, I'd go with camera in hand. Hope there is a Southern California Zombie-type covering the festivities.

681 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:59:46am

re: #626 paxnhymn

WRONG! People need to be constantly reminded about personal responsibility, or they become comfortable and complacent. Nothing wrong with it!

if only I could ding that comment up more than once...

682 realwest  Thu, May 1, 2008 6:59:53am

re: #608 christheprofessor Keeping up family traditions?

683 laZardo  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:00:42am

re: #667 realwest

This is Sheena Easton.

684 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:00:56am
China has secretly built a major underground nuclear submarine base that could threaten Asian countries and challenge American power in the region, it can be disclosed.
Satellite imagery, passed to The Daily Telegraph, shows that a substantial harbour has been built which could house a score of nuclear ballistic missile submarines and a host of aircraft carriers


[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

685 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:00:56am

taking a call. bbl

686 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:01:01am

re: #630 David Simon

I don't think so. If that were the ploy, everyone (including "rich" folks like me) would get a "rebate."

There may be some merit in the economic stimulus argument (put the money in the hands of people who are more likely to spend it, rather than save it); we'll see. What pisses the hell out of me is the damned euphemism.

Nope. The rich already know who they're voting for.


The 'undecideds' are almost always lower and middle class folk.

"Hell, free money!"

then there is a new confusion.... do they credit President Bush who pushed the idea, or Congress who fumbled with the numbers, reducing them, then passed the idea?

687 Call me Infidel  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:01:10am

re: #675 storagemanager

I was called crazy

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

I believe Iran has already been selling oil in euros rather than dollars. If they carry on buying into euros they could be in for a rude surprise when the bottom drops out of this bogus currency.

688 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:02:00am

re: #633 Occasional Reader

What are YOU laughing at, Bible-thumper?!

Yeah whatever, At least I get to cling to my bible AND my guns!

Whadda you got, DC-ite?

marion barry's crack?

689 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:02:44am

re: #615 LanceKates

Yeah, she and I have had arguments as well. Doesn't mean we have to try and verbally destroy them.

You never know what stresses are working in someone's live to put them in a cranky mood on any given day, and trying to tear them a new one often serves no purpose.


Agreed. There are times where one can just get their fill of it for a while.

I have a relative who shifts to the insultes as soon as he runs out of actual facts in an "argument". As soon as he goes personal, I know I've got him, but I still get tired of it.

690 realwest  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:02:46am

re: #628 sparrowlake
AHHH! Thank you for that one! I loved Sam Cooke!

691 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:03:27am

re: #676 Killian Bundy

Where did I put them nail scissors?

/how about some nice lesbian music?

Careful, you'll get sued by a certain Greek island...

692 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:03:46am
693 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:04:07am

re: #608 christheprofessor

Realistically, what percent of the non-grads transfered to another school? Probably not much...

I would suspect quite a few. Anyone who changes to a different school is counted as a non-grad for the school they were enrolled in. In most inner cities, poor people move fairly often and you often don't have to move far to end up in a different school district.

I honestly don't have a problem helping those in need -- but it should be to get on their feet, not a career choice (a safety net, not a hammock, as they say).

I can honestly say to you that I have known thousands of welfare recipients over the years of all colors and creeds in various parts of the country. I can think of only 3 or 4 that I would consider to be abusing the system in any way - by far and away the exception rather than the rule.

Reports after Katrina were that there were 5th and 6th generation welfare recipients who were too damned stupid and dependent on the government to get the hell out of the way. I'm sure there is plenty of work there -- why do generation after generation live on the dole?

I don't buy the fifth and sixth generation welfare recipients because Welfare has not been around that long. In the very early 60's there was commodity food, in the mid 60's came food stamps. Welfare, housing, medical care all followed that.

As to the "too stupid and dependent" that really is a stretch. Welfare recipients get next to nothing in cash and they don't have credit cards. So, if an emergency comes around after "check day" - usually around the first of the month - there simply is no money and no hope of getting any either. Those people could not have bought a bus or plane ticket if their lives depended on it.

Welfare recipients also are not allowed to own much of a car - about $1500 worth in most states. Most welfare recipients in the inner cities do not own a car (parking issues) and might not even drive (cost of the drivers license and insurance) so they could not have driven out. And if they did own a car, go back and take a look at that NO MONEY thing and think about how much it costs to fill a gas tank.

Try to imagine opening up your wallet and having nothing in there - nothing in the bank - nothing in the cupboards - no car keys and nobody to call to borrow any.

And then think about that supercillious black mayor of Chocolate City who let an entire friggin fleet of school buses (full of gas!) sit and rot rather than evacuate those people. Blame HIM. It was HIS personal responsibility.

694 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:04:17am

Hey Hill-Billy...look here........

May 1 (Bloomberg) -- Exxon Mobil Corp. posted the smallest earnings increase among the world's three largest oil companies, falling short of analyst estimates as production dropped and profit margins from refining narrowed

. [Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

695 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:04:17am

re: #678 Honorary Yooper

I do blame them. They have parish levee boards down there, and each parish is responsible for some of the levees (not the USACE ones). The USACE ones actually performed pretty well when they were maintained properly; however, some of the parish built ones are the ones that failed. A good case in point of maintenance is the 17th Street Canal levees. On the Jefferson Parish side, the levee was maintained properly and did not fail. The Orleans Parish side was another story altogether. They did not maintain the levee, and they even let trees grow too close to the levee! Hence, the levee was weak and had been undermined by the trees before Katrina. When the surge came up the canal, the levee broke.

So yes, I do blame them.

I thought the levee was already going to fail anyway, it held the surge back, it was later that day that the levee failed.

696 realwest  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:04:19am

re: #645 BulgarWheat
Shit. Ok, where are the damn Cheetos?!?

697 paxnhymn  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:04:40am

re: #678 Honorary Yooper

I do blame them. They have parish levee boards down there, and each parish is responsible for some of the levees (not the USACE ones). The USACE ones actually performed pretty well when they were maintained properly; however, some of the parish built ones are the ones that failed. A good case in point of maintenance is the 17th Street Canal levees. On the Jefferson Parish side, the levee was maintained properly and did not fail. The Orleans Parish side was another story altogether. They did not maintain the levee, and they even let trees grow too close to the levee! Hence, the levee was weak and had been undermined by the trees before Katrina. When the surge came up the canal, the levee broke.So yes, I do blame them.


yep...they're both to blame..government corruption in NO is horrible! Has been for years! I guess what pisses me off is that they blame this on Katrina like it was a direct hit, and the problem was rising water, not Katrina. Just like Camile (I remember because I was there) the Miss> Coast took the hit, but NO sucked up all of the oxygen...you wanna see the REAL victims of Katrina, go to Bay St. Louis, Pass Christian, Gulfport / Biloxi.

698 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:05:03am

re: #623 Occasional Reader

That's just the sort of idiotic post I'd expect from an Evolution-denying, flyover moron like you.

[Link: www.thepaincomics.com...]

699 realwest  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:05:17am

re: #673 Lucius Septimius Hey Lucius, I'm doing ok, thanks!
How are you this fine morning?

700 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:05:46am

re: #687 Call me Infidel

I believe Iran has already been selling oil in euros rather than dollars. If they carry on buying into euros they could be in for a rude surprise when the bottom drops out of this bogus currency.

I don't think that is going to happen...they are waging war on the U.S dollar.

701 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:06:27am
702 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:06:34am

re: #642 galloping granny

Sure. Sometimes they are you or me. That does not mean that those who choose to remain on the reservations, who wish to live in their ancestral home following something that resembles their ancestral way of life should be forced to leave or live some other life style.

No one is forcing them to leave. If anything, you and I are being forced to pay them to stay.

Why is it ok to force you and I (and anyone not living on a reservation) to fund people living on a reservation?

What is it about living on a piece of land on the government dole that (as you said) doesn't belong to them (they were forcibly moved there, after all, it isn't their actual homeland), that is a requirement of keeping their culture?

If they lived in homes off the reservation, would they suddenly stop being indians? How innane is that?

Am I less of an indian because I live in a house rather than on a reservation in Red Rock, Oklahoma?

The indian spirit has always been one of independence and helping one another. It has been perverted into being one of dependence upon the government.

Dependence is slavery. Independence and Personal Responsibility is Freedom.

703 yochanan  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:06:35am

[Link: drybonesblog.blogspot.com...]

he should be a big lizard.

704 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:07:06am

re: #648 Hengineer

So you're saying because they choose to live the way their ancestors did (or as close as reservations can allow it) means that my taxes pay for their choice?

Nope. They get none of your taxes other than what is specifically authorized in treaties that are what allow you to "own" the land you live on. It is THEIR money. Payment for services rendered as it were. In perpetuity.

705 realwest  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:07:24am

re: #676 Killian Bundy
Good morning Killian - hey y'all played that last night!
I was hoping for some k.d. lang myself - especially her version of Roy Orbisons "Cryin"!
Damn, now I gotta go try to find it myself!

706 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:07:42am
707 paxnhymn  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:07:44am

re: #691 JamesTKirk

Careful, you'll get sued by a certain Greek island...

guess they have to go back to " Cooter Bumpers"....LOL!

708 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:07:54am

re: #606 realwest

Hey good morning to you!
Didja hear about this woman "professor" (currently unemployed, iirc) who's suing some big name University for the conduct of her students in class? Yeppers, she says they (the students) were so disruptive in class that it broke her will to teach!
No lie! LOL!

Good morning. No, I hadn't heard that...

I did hear on the radio that OJ is lobbying to be on next season's Apprentice (with Donald Trump). I guess he wants to take a stab at it...

709 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:08:36am
ATLANTA (AP) -- The Home Depot is closing 15 of its namesake stores, affecting 1,300 employees. It is the first time the home improvement retailer has ever closed a flagship store for performance reasons.
The Atlanta-based company said Thursday that the underperforming U.S. stores being closed represent less than 1 percent of its existing stores. They will be shuttered within the next two months.

A company spokesman says some of the employees will be relocated, while others could lose their jobs.


[Link: biz.yahoo.com...]

710 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:08:43am

re: #656 Occasional Reader

#590 Lance Kates:


Indians?! Why, there isn't an Indian within a hundred miles of he... [whiiirTHUNK OR gets hit with arrow]

(Old Western movie standby)

Careful... you'll get Don Imus'd

711 realwest  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:08:46am

re: #683 laZardo Ah! Thank you very kindly!

712 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:09:03am

re: #704 galloping granny

Nope. They get none of your taxes other than what is specifically authorized in treaties that are what allow you to "own" the land you live on. It is THEIR money. Payment for services rendered as it were. In perpetuity.

I'm talking about welfare. No it isn't THEIR money. It is US Government money, and thus the "we the people" money.

713 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:09:06am

re: #707 paxnhymn

guess they have to go back to " Cooter Bumpers"....LOL!

Then they'll get sued by a certain mechanic from Hazzard County...

714 Call me Infidel  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:09:38am

re: #700 storagemanager

I will see if I can find the article. I'm sure it stated that they refuse to accept dollars for oil purchases and insist on euros.

715 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:09:40am

re: #677 paxnhymn

last line was sarc, hunh?

Oops.... nope, that was from their comment and I forgot to delete it.

716 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:10:14am

re: #704 galloping granny

Nope. They get none of your taxes other than what is specifically authorized in treaties that are what allow you to "own" the land you live on. It is THEIR money. Payment for services rendered as it were. In perpetuity.

Besides, at what point do "reparations" become null? Those currently living there WEREN'T forced on the "trail of tears" and such. I really doubt the majority of those living on reservations today were alive then.

717 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:10:29am

re: #689 3 wood

Agreed. There are times where one can just get their fill of it for a while.

I have a relative who shifts to the insultes as soon as he runs out of actual facts in an "argument". As soon as he goes personal, I know I've got him, but I still get tired of it.

That is the most common reason for shifting to personal insults.

718 Endangered in MASS  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:10:29am

re: #676 Killian Bundy


They used to play at Les Bos.

719 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:10:37am

re: #688 LanceKates

Yeah whatever, At least I get to cling to my bible AND my guns!

Whadda you got, DC-ite?

I cling to my copy of Atheism: The Case Against God, and my DC-licensed 12 gauge.

As to Marion Barry's crack, the less said, the better.

720 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:11:07am
WASHINGTON (AP) - A leader of the Democratic Party under Bill Clinton has switched his allegiance to Barack Obama and is encouraging fellow Democrats to "heal the rift in our party" and unite behind the Illinois senator.
Joe Andrew, who was Democratic National Committee chairman from 1999-2001, planned a news conference Thursday in his hometown of Indianapolis to urge other Hoosiers to support Obama in Tuesday's primary, perhaps the most important contest left in the White House race. He also has written a lengthy letter explaining his decision that he plans to send to other superdelegates.

"I am convinced that the primary process has devolved to the point that it's now bad for the Democratic Party," Andrew said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

721 _RememberTonyC  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:11:40am

Here is a piece from the great Melanie Phillips on the upcoming 60th Anniversary of the State of Israel.

[Link: www.spectator.co.uk...]

As always, she crystallizes things beautifully.

722 realwest  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:11:55am

re: #684 storagemanager Good morning my friend! Hope you're doing ok today!
Loved that story in the Telegraph - yeppers, that tunnel will sure hide 'em (though in the case of Aircraft Carriers they're gonna have to build 'em first) but we'll still know the minute they put out to sea! LOL!

723 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:12:00am

re: #676 Killian Bundy

Where did I put them nail scissors?

/how about some nice lesbian music?

I saw them in concert once. Melissa Etheridge was also performing.

There weren't many men in the audience.

724 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:12:18am

re: #719 Occasional Reader

I cling to my copy of Atheism: The Case Against God, and my DC-licensed 12 gauge.

As to Marion Barry's crack, the less said, the better.

I'm sure that 12 gauge serves you well when you're out on the streets.

725 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:12:42am

re: #714 Call me Infidel

I will see if I can find the article. I'm sure it stated that they refuse to accept dollars for oil purchases and insist on euros.

I know...they want all OPEC members to do the same...the head of OPEC this week said oil could be $200 a barrel.

726 Endangered in MASS  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:13:03am

re: #721 _RememberTonyC

RTC,

Celtics righted the ship last night. Can they do it in Atlanta?

727 ChicagoBlue  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:13:19am

re: #692 taxfreekiller

Not to worry...Globull Warming is taking a slight break?

They have all their bases covered...

728 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:13:36am

re: #720 storagemanager

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]
WASHINGTON (AP) - A leader of the Democratic Party under Bill Clinton has switched his allegiance to Barack Obama and is encouraging fellow Democrats to "heal the rift in our party" and unite behind the Illinois senator.


Heal the rift in the party in the process of killing it.
It's like people on a cliff that is starting to break, and they want to heal the rift by getting everyone on the side that's falling off.

729 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:13:55am

re: #722 realwest

Good morning my friend! Hope you're doing ok today!
Loved that story in the Telegraph - yeppers, that tunnel will sure hide 'em (though in the case of Aircraft Carriers they're gonna have to build 'em first) but we'll still know the minute they put out to sea! LOL!


Doing great..thanks for asking...hope you and your mom are well.

730 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:14:06am

re: #702 LanceKates

The indian spirit has always been one of independence and helping one another

(Except when fighting bloody inter-tribal wars)

731 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:14:48am

re: #722 realwest

Good morning my friend! Hope you're doing ok today!
Loved that story in the Telegraph - yeppers, that tunnel will sure hide 'em (though in the case of Aircraft Carriers they're gonna have to build 'em first) but we'll still know the minute they put out to sea! LOL!

And we know where to put the mines.

732 tfc3rid  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:14:53am

I'm so tired and this is going to be a looooong day...

Going to see Dolly Parton tonight at Radio City Music Hall... The gf LOVES her...

733 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:15:10am

re: #730 Occasional Reader

(Except when fighting bloody inter-tribal wars)

Oh, there were MANY of those.

My tribe was one of the generally peaceful ones. They didn't start many wars, though they were OFTEN attacked.

Apparently they split off from another tribe when the son of one tribal elder slept with the daughter of another tribal elder.

734 laZardo  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:15:22am

re: #725 storagemanager

When you switch the currency sign for a currency that's running 1-to-$2, the price can double just like *snaps fingers*

735 David Simon  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:15:36am

re: #686 LanceKates

The 'undecideds' are almost always lower and middle class folk.

Even if that's true, I doubt an average family with an adjusted gross income of $175,000 thinks of itself as rich. Ditto a single person with an AGI of $100,000. In both cases, the "rebate" is phased out entirely.

736 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:15:44am

re: #732 tfc3rid

I'm so tired and this is going to be a looooong day...

Going to see Dolly Parton tonight at Radio City Music Hall... The gf LOVES her...

Nice!

I saw her on tv not too long ago. She is still able to belt them out.

737 paxnhymn  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:15:52am

re: #732 tfc3rid

Geez LOUISE! That's like listening to a goat!

738 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:16:14am

re: #704 galloping granny

other than what is specifically authorized in treaties that are what allow you to "own" the land you live on.

Um... treaties with Indian tribes are what "allowed" the ownership of private property in the United States?

Er, you sure about that?

739 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:16:16am

re: #735 David Simon

Even if that's true, I doubt an average family with an adjusted gross income of $175,000 thinks of itself as rich. Ditto a single person with an AGI of $100,000. In both cases, the "rebate" is phased out entirely.

Pfft. I make less than 35 k.

If I were making 100k as a single person, I'd consider myself contently affluent.

740 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:16:22am

re: #737 paxnhymn

Geez LOUISE! That's like listening to a goat!

No, according to South Park, that's Stevie Nicks.

741 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:16:34am

re: #665 3 wood

Well, they are full of crap, but if that is their interpretation you are stuck with it.

The logic is that one student is not allowed to see another's grade, even if they don't know each other. We can't even have a secretary office assistant enter grades (not that I would ever do that). Hell, we aren't allowed to even e-mail a grade from home, as somebody outside the university (i.e., at one's ISP) can potentially see it...

How fucked up is that?

742 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:16:44am

re: #740 JamesTKirk

No, according to South Park, that's Stevie Nicks.

that was a great gag.

743 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:16:49am

re: #730 Occasional Reader

(Except when fighting bloody inter-tribal wars)

savages.

744 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:16:57am

re: #738 Occasional Reader

Um... treaties with Indian tribes are what "allowed" the ownership of private property in the United States?

Er, you sure about that?

I think it had something to do with guns, actually.

745 realwest  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:17:02am

re: #689 3 wood Hey good morning my friend! I was thinking about you and golf today - hadda a dream "memory" of the first time I played golf (I was around 16 at the time) with my Dad.
Dad, of course, went to University of Arizona on a baseball and golf scholarship and was a scratch golfer until about age 20 or so, when something called WWII came along and took his right eye away from him.
We DID play golf (he was around a 7 handicap at his club) when I was 16 but after my first drive, I managed to slice every damn shot except the putts! Spent the whole day playing on somone else's fairways, LOL!
How are you today?

746 paxnhymn  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:17:07am

re: #740 JamesTKirk

No, according to South Park, that's Stevie Nicks.


same-same...one's just hooked on Klonopin!

747 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:17:24am

re: #742 LanceKates

that was a great gag.

Want to hear a great gag?

*sticks finger down throat*

748 yochanan  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:17:31am

re: #736 LanceKates

begs the ? real or fake?

749 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:17:47am

re: #744 JamesTKirk

I think it had something to do with guns, actually.

*perks up*

what?

750 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:18:35am

re: #699 realwest

Hey Lucius, I'm doing ok, thanks!
How are you this fine morning?

Harried. I have too much to do and am having to do multiple things simultaneously such as:

1) put together assessment plans for programs I'm not responsible for but whose own managers don't have a clue so it falls on me
2) try to read job files
3) revise grading rubrics
4) clean up pee from not quite potty trained daughter
5) feed and dress said daughter
6) clean out her potty after she's successful
7) supervise second son doing his math
8) feed baby
9) entertain same long enough to type memos with two hands by rocking him in his chair with my foot
10) send out memos which no one reads about meetings no one shows up for
11) deal with emails whiny students who can't read a fucking printed exam schedule (coming in at a rate of roughly 1 per hour)
12) respond to RealWest

The above is my last hour. No exaggeration.

Back to work.

751 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:18:35am

re: #748 yochanan

begs the ? real or fake?

real or fake? The woman is plastic. She has to be careful getting too close to stage lights.

She has a good heart and a great personality. Those are WHOLLY real.

752 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:18:53am

Starbucks sales slowing, and senior managment seems a little out of touch:

Starbucks Slows U.S. Growth Plans As Sales Weaken

Starbucks Corp. plans to reduce the number of stores it builds in the U.S. in the next three years, the company said Wednesday.

The slowed growth plans come as the number of customers visiting Starbucks's U.S. stores continues to decline, leading to weaker sales and earnings. The Seattle coffee chain said Wednesday that net income fell 28% during the fiscal second quarter ended March 30.

This is a normal ebb and flow of business and economic conditions change. Given that folks are putting more of their incomes into their gas tanks to get to work, they have less money left over for discretionary expenses, such as (in my humble opinion) overpriced coffee.

I think many customers are now asking themselves if they really need to spend $5 for a cup of coffee (which calculates to about $50 a gallon), and are using the "Law of Substitutablilty" and are simply buying cheaper coffee avaiable elswhere and maybe stirring in a lot of flavored creamers to give them their sugar/caffine buzz in the morning instead.

Starbucks laid out conservative projections for the next three years in part because "no one can tell us when the economy's going to improve," Mr. Schultz said.

If I were the senior management at Starbucks, I'd be looking to do a lot more than slow down on my building plans and blaming the economy. I'd be cutting prices and offering lower cost options to keep the customers I have.

A lot of people just decided that they can not afford you anymore. As I always say, if I want a liquid candy bar I'll microwave a snickers bar and drink it, I'm sure not going to pay $5 for it.

753 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:19:19am

re: #733 LanceKates

My tribe was one of the generally peaceful ones.

Apparently they split off from another tribe when the son of one tribal elder slept with the daughter of another tribal elder.

Oh, but she doth teach the torches to burn bright!
She seems to hang upon the cheek of night
Like a rich jewel in a Cherokee's ear


(Wherefore art thou Running Elk?0

What tribe are you referring to, btw?

754 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:19:24am

re: #670 David Simon

So you have a problem with people who lay around on cots all day being given $2,000 debit cards while watching others get paid to clean up the mess? Man, are you heartless.

Heh. I'm a bastard that way...

755 realwest  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:19:29am

re: #697 paxnhymn Yeppers - in Pass Christian, out of 6,000 homes, less than 500 survived. Big, expensive homes, too.

756 paxnhymn  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:20:03am

re: #749 LanceKates

*perks up*

what?


ohh shit! There goes Lance runnin' out to the parkin' lot to fondle his manhood...


:-D

757 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:20:14am

re: #702 LanceKates

No one is forcing them to leave. If anything, you and I are being forced to pay them to stay.

Why is it ok to force you and I (and anyone not living on a reservation) to fund people living on a reservation?

What is it about living on a piece of land on the government dole that (as you said) doesn't belong to them (they were forcibly moved there, after all, it isn't their actual homeland), that is a requirement of keeping their culture?

I guess that I am just old fashioned enough to believe that your word is your bond - and that should apply to our government as well. People on reservations do not live on the government dole. They each receive a portion of the monies alloted to the individual tribe as payment in perpetuity for lands ceded to the government of the US (usually after outright theft). Land that YOU live on. Look at it as a mortgage payment that will continue until the United States of America no longer exists.


If they lived in homes off the reservation, would they suddenly stop being indians? How innane is that?

In some ways, yes. Both legally and psychologically.


Am I less of an indian because I live in a house rather than on a reservation in Red Rock, Oklahoma?

Many of your brethern would absolutely consider you less of an Indian because you do not know your homeland, your origin story, your people, your traditions. So in their eyes, absolutely you are less of an Indian. Whether or not that matters to you is your business.


The indian spirit has always been one of independence and helping one another. It has been perverted into being one of dependence upon the government.

Dependence is slavery. Independence and Personal Responsibility is Freedom.

Absolutely. But it was not perverted by the American Indian. It was perverted - deliberately - by the United States Government.

758 laZardo  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:20:16am

re: #752 3 wood

P150 for the equivalent of a milkshake? =_=

/for reference, a Slurpee in a similar-size cup costs only P20.

759 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:20:50am
BOSTON (Reuters) - A river swollen by heavy rain and melting snow overflowed its banks along the U.S.-Canadian border, forcing hundreds of people to flee homes and businesses in Fort Kent, Maine, and closing two border crossings.

The St. John River rose 30 feet and spilled into the town leaving stores and homes on Main Street under seven to eight feet of water, said John Bannen, Fort Kent's director of Community Development. Police and Border Patrol blocked off downtown Fort Kent on Thursday morning.

Less than 24 hours earlier about 600 people were forced to leave the town in a hurry when the river threatened to rise above a 30-foot dike built to protect the area. The town is 430 miles

north of Boston.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

760 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:20:55am

re: #743 right wing zephyr

re: #730 Occasional Reader

(Except when fighting bloody inter-tribal wars)

savages.

Um, no. It's just that they fought wars, just like practically every other large group of humans on the face of the Earth.

761 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:21:48am

re: #752 3 wood

Starbucks sales slowing, and senior managment seems a little out of touch:

Starbucks Slows U.S. Growth Plans As Sales Weaken


If I were the senior management at Starbucks, I'd be looking to do a lot more than slow down on my building plans and blaming the economy. I'd be cutting prices and offering lower cost options to keep the customers I have.

A lot of people just decided that they can not afford you anymore. As I always say, if I want a liquid candy bar I'll microwave a snickers bar and drink it, I'm sure not going to pay $5 for it.

The gas station I go to offers free coffee and a krispie cream donut if you get gas there.

Their gas is generally cheaper than most around my home, so I've gone there for a long time (One place is about 3 or 4 cents cheaper, but they don't allowe concealed carry, so I don't give them my money, and I told them so)

I've never understood the idea of 5 dollar coffee.... by the time they get all the crap in there, there's no room for coffee.

762 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:21:54am

re: #748 yochanan

begs the ?

[sigh]

763 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:22:11am

re: #741 christheprofessor

The logic is that one student is not allowed to see another's grade, even if they don't know each other. We can't even have a secretary office assistant enter grades (not that I would ever do that). Hell, we aren't allowed to even e-mail a grade from home, as somebody outside the university (i.e., at one's ISP) can potentially see it...

How fucked up is that?

Extremely. Technically TAs are faculty, for purposes of instruction; therefore under FERPA they can be classes as among those with legitimate access. The same is also true for secretaries, though not for student workers.

What you're dealing with is an overzealous and uninformed compliance ferret. Actually, since the VaTech shootings, they have relaxed quite FERPA quite a bit because one of the problems there was too many communication barriers on account of too narrow interpretations of that law. (Had a big compliance meeting about this a few weeks ago; luckily we have a new compliance person who is a hell of a lot more reasonable and knowledgeable)

764 Ben Hur  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:22:16am

King and the Jews

When American cities were burning in the summers before he died, Martin listened to any number of young blacks holding matches blame Jewish landlords or Jewish store-owners in the inner city – no matter that Jews were a minority of landlords and store owners. He asked them, Who else might have bought the buildings that we lived in and rented us apartments? Who else was willing to come in and open stores and sell us the things we needed? Where were these Negroes with money who'd abandoned their communities? And if blacks had bought those businesses and buildings, would they have charged less for rent and bread?

They were moving into all White gated communities a la Rev Wright.

Boker effen Tov to you on this (alleged) Holocaust Rememberance Day.

Take a moment to silently think of the victims, and to thank the United States of America for the liberation.

Then maybe look at some of the pictures of those piles of bodies, the mass graves, the ovens, the slave laborers, etc.

That is not Gaza.
That is not the "West Bank."

765 Kenneth  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:22:35am

re: #675 storagemanager

From your link:

Speculation of a change in Middle East currency systems eased this month after the United Arab Emirates and Qatar ruled out a revaluation or dropping the dollar peg.

..."The case for currency reform is strong," Simon Williams, chief Middle East economist at HSBC Holdings Plc, said in a telephone interview from Dubai. "The inflationary pressures the Gulf faces not only demand a stronger currency, they also require an independent monetary policy. The issue is not going to go away, but I don't believe that change is close."

If you were referring to my arguments against your previous posts on this topic, I never called you crazy. I did say that while the Iranians have been pushing this idea for years, they have yet to get any traction on it with the other OPEC countries. And change, if it does happen, will take several years to work out. The article you linked to at Bloomberg reinforces this analysis.

766 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:23:04am

re: #749 LanceKates

*perks up*

what?

*snarfs coffee*

767 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:23:08am

re: #753 Occasional Reader

Oh, but she doth teach the torches to burn bright!
She seems to hang upon the cheek of night
Like a rich jewel in a Cherokee's ear


(Wherefore art thou Running Elk?0

What tribe are you referring to, btw?

I'm oto-missouri.

We used to think we were chickisaw (sp?) but we discovered otherwise.

my dad's great grandfather was a horseback preacher that the tribed asked to marry into the tribe.

768 realwest  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:23:23am

re: #708 christheprofessor Oh that was such a cutting remark! When oh when is OJ gonna stop being blamed for those murders he didn't committ according to a jury in LaLa land anyway?!
Trump'll probably take him on anyway - anything for publicity!
But the story I told you is true - I think she's suing Dartmouth for failing to keep HER college students in line in HER classrooms.
Some truly STUPID people out there my friend.
Hey, how's Lightning doing?

769 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:23:26am

re: #760 Occasional Reader


Yeah. good point, but scalping, raping, torturing, and the like was fairly prevelent was it not? AND all the tribes were conquered weren't they?

770 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:23:38am

re: #756 paxnhymn

ohh shit! There goes Lance runnin' out to the parkin' lot to fondle his manhood...


:-D

Nah, where I work I can't have my guns with me, remember?

and my new avatar is a picture of my b.u.g.

771 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:23:42am

re: #732 tfc3rid

I'm so tired and this is going to be a looooong day...

Going to see Dolly Parton tonight at Radio City Music Hall... The gf LOVES her...


Did you know she was arrested for child abuse? She bottle fed her kids.
/just trying to get in the obvious jokes before Dirk or OR chime in

772 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:24:55am

re: #769 right wing zephyr

AND all the tribes were conquered weren't they?

Not according to the Seminoles.

773 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:25:00am

re: #716 Hengineer

Besides, at what point do "reparations" become null? Those currently living there WEREN'T forced on the "trail of tears" and such. I really doubt the majority of those living on reservations today were alive then.

This is specifically NOT reparations. It is money that was written into the various treaties, a contractual obligation. As far as those still living who might have been forced from their homes, I did know an extremely elderly woman on Navajo 15 or so years ago who had been on the Long Walk as a young child. And I met an elderly woman in the Black Hills many years ago who had been with Chief Joseph.

There are tremendous numbers of people in their mid 40s and older on all of the reservations who were essentially kidnapped and shipped off to Indian Schools.

774 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:26:02am

re: #769 right wing zephyr

but scalping, raping, torturing, and the like was fairly prevelent was it not?

Europeans didn't exactly fight wars with Nerf weapons, either.

775 vxbush  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:26:05am

A somewhat promising Thursday and a great big "hello" to all the fine Lizards out there.

Is it just me, or have we hit a kind of slump, newswise? There seriously seems to be no interest in having any real news out in the media today. Well, yes, we've had that for the last twenty years, but it seems particularly blatant today. There's just really nothing going on in the universe, or so they would have us believe.

776 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:26:11am

re: #757 galloping granny

Yet you still haven't given your alternative.

Nor do you explain why paying welfare (and yes, it is welfare, no matter how it is spun otherwise.) to american indians for things done to people who aren't them is somehow ok, but reparations paid to black people who weren't slaves is not ok.

I, who didn't steal land, have no business being forced to pay people who didn't have land stolen.

That's turning you and I into victims. (Perhaps me moreso as I am part indian!)... money is being taken from our pockets for things we didn't do to pay it to people who didn't have it done to them.

It is wrong to do that in the case of slavery and it is wrong to do that in the case of reservations.

You, however, have made the point very clear:

It is not about culture.... it is about money.

777 realwest  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:26:26am

re: #719 Occasional Reader Hey there O.R. - Happy Law Day!
Uh, at least I think May 1 is still law day.

778 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:26:41am

re: #693 galloping granny

My grandfather could have gotten what was called "relief" back during the Great Depression -- but proud as he was, he wouldn't do it. So, welfare, in some form or another, has been around for decades.

When teenagers have kids and people in their low 30s become grandparents, it doesn't take too long to get to the 5th or 6th generation.

A friend's family owns a business (food manufacturing). One day, a young woman came and asked for a job. When he offered her one, she said she couldn't work more than 2 or 3 days per week, as that would interfere with her "money" (that is, welfare). That's the kind of shit that pisses me off.

779 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:27:18am

re: #738 Occasional Reader

Um... treaties with Indian tribes are what "allowed" the ownership of private property in the United States?

Er, you sure about that?

Yes. Because otherwise it is still their land. Other than Manhattan, which was lawfully purchased.

780 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:27:19am
As the new Pakistani government keeps telling everyone they know what they're doing by making "peace" with these guys... KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) - The weekend plot to kill Afghan President Hamid Karzai was masterminded by militants with links to the al-Qaida who reside in Pakistan's lawless tribal areas, an Afghan intelligence official said Thursday.

[Link: patdollard.com...]

781 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:27:38am

re: #766 JamesTKirk

*snarfs coffee*

snarf?

782 3 wood  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:28:04am

re: #606 realwest

Didja hear about this woman "professor" (currently unemployed, iirc) who's suing some big name University for the conduct of her students in class? Yeppers, she says they (the students) were so disruptive in class that it broke her will to teach!
No lie! LOL!

Good morning pal, hope you are doing well.

This Prof lost control of her classes and she has nobody to blame but herself.

I start every term in the first class telling them that this class is a dictatorship and I'm in charge, no maybe about it. I tell them that anybody who does not like that can leave right now and drop the class. No Ipod's, no cell phones, no babysitting (some students actually bring their infants to class) and no whispering back and forth.

I tell then that I will be nice for the first interruption by them of the class and will talk to them on the side about it. The second time I will throw them out in front of their fellow students and they will not come back. Period.

My students love that, and I get more compliments from my students about being glad to be a in class where someone is in charge. It's one reason, I'm told, why I have long waiting lists to take my classes.

783 realwest  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:28:36am

re: #732 tfc3rid Morning!
Oh yeah, I bet the GF just hadda drag your ass to see Dolly's Partons!
;')

784 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:28:38am

re: #772 JamesTKirk


I like them.

785 vxbush  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:29:19am

re: #781 LanceKates

snarf?

I hated that character. With a passion.

786 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:29:19am

re: #774 Occasional Reader


that's right. They had guns and booze and the flu.

787 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:30:33am

re: #779 galloping granny

Yes. Because otherwise it is still their land. Other than Manhattan, which was lawfully purchased.

ERRT.

wrong.

incorrect.

The stories of indian land 'stolen' by the innocent and nieve indians are largely manufactured by those who want to view american indians as victims of evil white men.

Did it happen from time to time? Yeah, there were some shady deals made. But, by and large.... no.

788 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:30:35am

re: #719 Occasional Reader

Antony Flew Upon You!

lol

789 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:31:19am

re: #787 LanceKates

Which is funny, because it paints the Indians as naive as children, which is kinda racist?

790 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:31:30am

re: #779 galloping granny

Yes. Because otherwise it is still their land.

They generally didn't even recognize the private ownership of land. The idea that American Indians "own" the United States and we're merely leasing it from them has no basis in either law, or fact.

And I assume the Huron were making regular "lease" payments to the Sioux after kicking them out of the Great Lakes region, right?

791 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:31:40am

re: #785 vxbush

I hated that character. With a passion.

At least Cringer would turn into Battle Cat when necessary.

792 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:32:00am

re: #785 vxbush

I hated that character. With a passion.

I think most people did.

Most guys who watched that show did have a thing for her though.

793 realwest  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:32:07am

re: #750 Lucius Septimius So you're sayin' it's gonna be another easy day for ya, huh?! LOL! NO YOU DON'T HAVE TO RESPOND TO THIS!

794 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:32:20am

re: #769 right wing zephyr

Yeah. good point, but scalping, raping, torturing, and the like was fairly prevelent was it not? AND all the tribes were conquered weren't they?

No, all of the tribes were not conquered. The Abenaki were never conquered and are still legally at war with the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. One of the pueblo tribes has never been at war with the US. Some of the "conquered" tribes - like the Navajo - never made war on the US. They were simply invaded. In the case of the Navajo, Kit Carson wanted their land. The Sioux had made a previous treaty with the government of the United States of America. That treaty was broken when white settlers decided that would like the Black Hills because of the gold.

And an awful lot of that scalping, raping and the like was white on Indian. A certain New Yorker who burned an entire village while they slept comes readily to mind.

795 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:32:21am

re: #788 BabbaZee


Antony Flew Upon You!

lol

Well, get 'im off me!

796 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:32:28am

re: #753 Occasional Reader

Hau!
My name is Thunder Word Runs Afoul
I am a Faux Sioux Jew Pretendian
from the Fukawee Tribe

ULULULULULULULULU!

797 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:32:31am

re: #792 LanceKates

I think most people did.

Most guys who watched that show did have a thing for her though.

I didn't watch the show. I know Butters (South Park) found Snarf annoying.

798 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:32:42am

re: #792 LanceKates

I think most people did.

Most guys who watched that show did have a thing for her though.

Ah animation female characters...

Nobody beats Jessica Rabbit, though.

799 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:33:06am

re: #789 Hengineer

Which is funny, because it paints the Indians as naive as children, which is kinda racist?

Yeah, kind of a hot button issue with me.... racism is stupid.

Even racist programs like Aff Action harm.

Racism must be stomped out. It is a virus.

800 storagemanager  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:33:16am
What has not been widely recognized is that the Ayatollah Khomeini’s 1989 fatwa against Satanic Verses author Salman Rushdie introduced a new kind of jihad. Instead of assaulting Western ships or buildings, Kho­meini took aim at a fundamental Western freedom: freedom of speech. In recent years, other Islamists have joined this crusade, seeking to undermine Western societies’ basic liberties and extend sharia within those societies.

The cultural jihadists have enjoyed disturbing success. Two events in particular—the 2004 assassination in Amsterdam of Theo van Gogh in retaliation for his film about Islam’s oppression of women, and the global wave of riots, murders, and vandalism that followed a Danish newspaper’s 2005 publication of cartoons satirizing Mohammed—have had a massive ripple effect throughout the West. Motivated variously, and doubtless sometimes simultaneously, by fear, misguided sympathy, and multicultural ideology—which teaches us to belittle our freedoms and to genuflect to non-Western cultures, however repressive—people at every level of Western society, but especially elites, have allowed concerns about what fundamentalist Muslims will feel, think, or do to influence their actions and expressions. These Westerners have begun, in other words, to internalize the strictures of sharia, and thus implicitly to accept the deferential status of dhimmis—infidels living in Muslim societies.

Call it a cultural surrender. The House of War is slowly—or not so slowly, in Europe’s case—being absorbed into the House of Submission.


[Link: shariahfinancewatch.wordpress.com...]

801 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:33:28am

re: #793 realwest

standard operating procedure.

802 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:33:36am

re: #763 Lucius Septimius

Can May I please borrow your compliance guy?

803 EC Marm  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:33:51am

re: #788 BabbaZee
Irregardless of his current faithness, it begs the question of what caused his conversion.

/ tryin' to get on ORs last nerve

804 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:34:16am

re: #794 galloping granny

No, all of the tribes were not conquered. The Abenaki were never conquered and are still legally at war with the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. One of the pueblo tribes has never been at war with the US. Some of the "conquered" tribes - like the Navajo - never made war on the US. They were simply invaded. In the case of the Navajo, Kit Carson wanted their land. The Sioux had made a previous treaty with the government of the United States of America. That treaty was broken when white settlers decided that would like the Black Hills because of the gold.

And an awful lot of that scalping, raping and the like was white on Indian. A certain New Yorker who burned an entire village while they slept comes readily to mind.

Still no alternative, but you are getting close to saying "I wish whitey had just stayed home"

Name 5 benefits the indians received from having the pilgrims nearby.

805 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:34:43am

re: #803 EC Marm

Irregardless of his current faithness, it begs the question of what caused his conversion.

/ tryin' to get on ORs last nerve

AGGGGGGGHHHHHH!

mine too!

806 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:34:47am

re: #787 LanceKates

ERRT.

wrong.

incorrect.

The stories of indian land 'stolen' by the innocent and nieve indians are largely manufactured by those who want to view american indians as victims of evil white men.

Did it happen from time to time? Yeah, there were some shady deals made. But, by and large.... no.

Better do a little research Lance. Tremendous numbers of "shady deals" happened. Certainly the deal that purchased Deerfield, Massachusetts, was "shady" - conducted by people who did not own the land and stated so. There is even a written record of it. One not invented this century.

807 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:34:50am

re: #797 JamesTKirk

I didn't watch the show. I know Butters (South Park) found Snarf annoying.

you know it is bad if Butters find him annoying.

808 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:35:20am

re: #803 EC Marm

Irregardless

That's where I stopped reading your comment...

809 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:35:23am

re: #792 LanceKates

I think most people did.

Most guys who watched that show did have a thing for her though.


Which is what probably led to the whole Furry Movement.

810 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:35:32am

re: #803 EC Marm

I use him like an incantation

Antoneeeeeeeeeee FLLLEeeeeeeeeWWWW
Anoton neeeeeeeee Faaaalllllll EWWWWWWW

lol

811 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:35:54am
are still legally at war with the Commonwealth of Massachusetts

hahaaaaahaha! Good one.

knowing Mass they'd probably lose that one anyhow.

812 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:35:57am

re: #803 EC Marm

Irregardless of his current faithnessfaith tradition

(Tryin' to get on BZ's last nerve)

813 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:35:58am

Just random musing about this entire thread, I wonder if welfare workers actually work to push the employment office? I actually went to one, once. I was taking a year off of college (grades, pissed off parents, hah), and they sent me to find work. I tried temp agencies (they suck ass), I went to the local employment office (city or county government office, I think), and they had all this FREE classes, etc...all for helping people get a job!

814 Kenneth  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:36:06am

Countering Iranian terror in Iraq,

The US has provided the Iraqi government with a report of the extent of Iranian subversion. In cases where secret briefings are publicly announced the news is the announcement, not the briefing. The ballyhoo is normally intended to send a signal to a third party, or to prepare the public for further action.

The US has been complaining about Iranian subversion for some time now. What's different this time is an implied attempt to get Iraq to explicitly denounce Teheran. In trying to get Baghdad to nail its colors to the mast, the US is building pieces of a coalition against Teheran.

Iraq Team to Discuss Militias With Iran

BAGHDAD — The Iraqi prime minister is sending several senior Shiite leaders to Tehran to discuss their concerns that Iran is arming and financing militias in Iraq, senior Iraqi and American officials said Wednesday...

American officials supported the trip, but portrayed it as the brainchild of Mr. Maliki. One American official described the Iraqis’ concern about Iran’s role as “the silver lining” to recent fighting between Shiite militias and Iraqi and American security forces in Basra and in the Sadr City area of Baghdad, a militia stronghold.

US sends second carrier to the Gulf

Robert Gates, the defence secretary, said the deployment of two aircraft carrier battle groups in the Gulf was a "reminder" to Tehran of US determination to defend its interests in the region.

815 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:36:35am

re: #806 galloping granny

Better do a little research Lance. Tremendous numbers of "shady deals" happened. Certainly the deal that purchased Deerfield, Massachusetts, was "shady" - conducted by people who did not own the land and stated so. There is even a written record of it. One not invented this century.

Ahh.... I disagree with you, therefore I must be ingorant.

That is a very common trap people fall in. "They don't agree with me, they must not understand enough..."

Still haven't named the alternative.

or 5 benefits american indians received from the white man.

816 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:36:51am

re: #812 Occasional Reader

I have no last nerve

817 galloping granny  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:37:08am

re: #804 LanceKates

Still no alternative, but you are getting close to saying "I wish whitey had just stayed home"

Name 5 benefits the indians received from having the pilgrims nearby.

smallpox, measles, slavery, theft - if you can call those "benefits"

818 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:37:19am

I can't wait till Hitchens comes to Moses

Bwaha

819 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:37:21am

re: #589 realwest

Ah, Babba - now that's a sorta middle aged oldie but a goodie!
Was watching Fox when I was gulping down my breakfast this morning and they had Carly Simon on and this Talking head asks her "So when are you gonna tell us who "You're So Vain" was written about?!
WHAT?! He's too young to even remember that song when it first came out! LOL!
Hey doofus, here's a clue: [Link: www.youtube.com...]

I've read that it may be about one of several people, including Mick Jagger. Personal irony: when I was a kid, I had the album "Get Yer Ya-Yas Out" by the Stones, and I traded it to another kid, to get Carly Simon's "No Secrets". What can I say? I was 11, and I liked the boobies on the album cover.

820 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:37:21am

re: #816 BabbaZee

I have no last nerve

Or last spleen?

821 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:37:38am

re: #794 galloping granny

No, all of the tribes were not conquered. The Abenaki were never conquered and <blockquote>are still legally at war with the Commonwealth of Massachusett</blockquote>s. One of the pueblo tribes has never been at war with the US. Some of the "conquered" tribes - like the Navajo - never made war on the US. They were simply invaded. In the case of the Navajo, Kit Carson wanted their land. The Sioux had made a previous treaty with the government of the United States of America. That treaty was broken when white settlers decided that would like the Black Hills because of the gold.

And an awful lot of that scalping, raping and the like was white on Indian. A certain New Yorker who burned an entire village while they slept comes readily to mind.

I'll stand corrected and change my statement to "ALL of the tribes were conquered or pacified summarily --and without exception the Norweigans rule."

822 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:37:38am

I grimly admit that I am too old to have been influenced by "Thundercats". My wife, on the other hand, despite being from Undisclosed Country of Origin, will sometimes cheerfully exclaim, "thunder, thunder, THUNDERcats!".

823 christheprofessor  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:37:48am

re: #768 realwest

What a loser! (the prof, I mean)

Lightning's great, btw. Asleep on my bed. Thanks for askin'...

On a sad note, Mama Winger's greyhound died, so she's pretty upset. Be sure to give her a {hug} next time you see her posting...

824 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:38:02am

re: #798 Hengineer

Ah animation female characters...

Nobody beats Jessica Rabbit, though.

I like the chick in the esurance.com commercials.

825 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:38:11am

re: #798 Hengineer

Ah animation female characters...

Nobody beats Jessica Rabbit, though.


A few years back a comic book magazine I get had a ranking of the hottest animated female characters. I forgot who came in 1st, but Eric Cartman's Mom was in the top ten. Their rationale? "A sure thing's a sure thing."

826 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:38:12am

re: #813 Hengineer

Just random musing about this entire thread, I wonder if welfare workers actually work to push the employment office? I actually went to one, once. I was taking a year off of college (grades, pissed off parents, hah), and they sent me to find work. I tried temp agencies (they suck ass), I went to the local employment office (city or county government office, I think), and they had all this FREE classes, etc...all for helping people get a job!

you're lucky.

I'm a 28 year old single white male with no kids. When I was laid off, I was told to bring my resume in to see what I qualified for.

I qualified for nothing but unemployment. No free classes, no tuition assistance, nothing.

You see, when I WAS employed, I made too much money to get help now that I wasn't employed...

827 Endangered in MASS  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:38:25am

re: #796 BabbaZee

Like the Heckowee...


828 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:38:36am

re: #823 christheprofessor

What a loser! (the prof, I mean)

Lightning's great, btw. Asleep on my bed. Thanks for askin'...

On a sad note, Mama Winger's greyhound died, so she's pretty upset. Be sure to give her a {hug} next time you see her posting...

Poor mama...

829 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:38:37am

re: #803 EC Marm

Irregardless of his current faithness, it begs the question of what caused his conversion.

/ tryin' to get on ORs last nerve


If you f'ing say Irregardless one more time....
;-)

830 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:38:46am

re: #815 LanceKates

apparently none, she thinks its nothing good.

831 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:38:47am

re: #820 JamesTKirk

Or last spleen?

Jah vol!
And 50% Less Pancreas!

832 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:39:19am

re: #817 galloping granny

smallpox, measles, slavery, theft - if you can call those "benefits"

Ah, so none.

You can't even name 5 benefits that indians received from white man.

And, you are also suggesting that slavery and theft never existed until white man came?

and you said I needed to do research?

pfft.

Racist.

833 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:39:39am

re: #817 galloping granny

smallpox, measles, slavery, theft - if you can call those "benefits"

How about horses?

834 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:39:53am

re: #827 Endangered in MASS

LOL

BTW I named one of the turkey in my yard

Ittiz Ballun

he is currently at war with Big Daddy Cool Balls as I type this

835 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:39:57am

re: #817 galloping granny

Wow. just Wow.

836 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:39:59am

re: #822 Occasional Reader

I grimly admit that I am too old to have been influenced by "Thundercats". My wife, on the other hand, despite being from Undisclosed Country of Origin, will sometimes cheerfully exclaim, "thunder, thunder, THUNDERcats!".

she just says that so that she can call you a ho.

837 vxbush  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:40:58am

re: #818 BabbaZee

I can't wait till Hitchens comes to Moses

Bwaha

THAT will be worth seeing, yessirreebob.

838 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:41:07am

re: #833 Hengineer

How about horses?

And iPods?

OKAY LANCE, OKAY, I mean, "MP3 players"

839 realwest  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:41:25am

re: #757 galloping granny Good morning galloping granny! Uh, just for the record, the US Government has broken every single treaty it made with any Indian tribe in the 19th century - in OUR NAME - We the People - and iirc, we are still at war with the Seminole Nation. Andrew Jackson killed thousands of 'em and when they had less than 500 warriors left, they met with Jackson and agreed to a cease fire or truce, but refused a treaty and wouldn't sign anything. Said something about We heard you White guys will sign anything and then ignore it, so we ain't signing it.
Musta been talking to some Cherokee, Chippewa and Cheyenne's.
And we ALWAYS broke those treaties for real estate reasons - move Sioux to the Black Hills - hell they can't really farm there, crappy land, etc. etc.
Then some White men discovered gold in the Black Hills (giving rise to the once popular phrase "there's gold in them thar hills") and suddenly the Sioux were being moved outta there real fast!
Same thing with the Apache's - we found Silver in the deslolate landscape of Arizona and shipped something close to 10,000 Apache to South Florida then when the silver was panned out, we shipped all 2,000 of the Apaches who'd survived the move to Florida back to Arizona.
The US Government's relationships with the Indians is one that's just chock full of shame and lies.
Not unlike the Dem and Repub's treatment of all voters today!

840 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:41:26am

re: #817 galloping granny

smallpox, measles, slavery, theft - if you can call those "benefits"


Right. No American Indian ever stole or owned a slave until 1620.

841 UFO TOFU  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:41:29am

re: #762 Occasional Reader
Hey, it wasn't me this time!

842 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:41:44am

re: #838 Occasional Reader

And iPods?

OKAY LANCE, OKAY, I mean, "MP3 players"

I was going to correct you too, I'm an Apple hateboy. =-P

843 DesertSage  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:42:09am

MacArthur's Park is melting in the dark
All the sweet, green icing flowing down...

Happy May Day Angelenos.

844 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:43:02am

re: #837 vxbush

I prophecy it with my mouth, NOW~

Hitchens, may the LORD rip the scales form your eyes.
ASAP

/he's in big trouble, lol

845 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:43:03am

re: #832 LanceKates

theft never existed until white man came?

Nope, the Huron and Sioux just peacefully worked out a long-term lease agreement on the Great Lakes, they all hugged, then the Sioux voluntarily departed to find a living on the freezing Great Plains. Haven't you read Ward Churchill?!

846 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:43:12am

re: #833 Hengineer

How about horses?

don't forget metal tools.

firearms (boy, THAT made hunting easier than using a wooden arrow with a stone on the end of it, eh?)

Different food preparation methods. (safer ones at that, especially regarding meat)

Don't forget crazy things like machinery. Farming became MUCH easier with machinery.

NOpe.... nope... none of that happened, because that'd show the white man in a positive light .. . and we can't be having that.

847 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:43:29am

re: #843 DesertSage

that cake is going to hit the fan again today

848 vxbush  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:43:47am

re: #844 BabbaZee

I prophecy it with my mouth, NOW~

Hitchens, may the LORD rip the scales form your eyes.
ASAP

/he's in big trouble, lol

I'm imagining the possibilities. :D

849 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:43:57am

re: #824 Ward Cleaver

I like the chick in the esurance.com commercials.


I thought I was the only one!

850 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:44:11am

re: #848 vxbush

A modern Saul/Paul I tells ya.

851 DesertSage  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:44:11am

re: #847 BulgarWheat

that cake is going to hit the fan again today

Yep, I'm afraid so.

852 BabbaZee  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:44:26am

re: #851 DesertSage

Let them eat cake without me

853 Kenneth  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:44:27am

re: #845 Occasional Reader

...yeah, and before the Europeans brought the horse, the native Americans rode around on unicorns and kittens.

854 LanceKates  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:44:27am

re: #845 Occasional Reader

Nope, the Huron and Sioux just peacefully worked out a long-term lease agreement on the Great Lakes, they all hugged, then the Sioux voluntarily departed to find a living on the freezing Great Plains. Haven't you read Ward Churchill?!

I hear there was no sickness or death, or need for work... until... *anger voice* white man came....

855 Hengineer  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:44:29am

re: #846 LanceKates

don't forget metal tools.

firearms (boy, THAT made hunting easier than using a wooden arrow with a stone on the end of it, eh?)

Different food preparation methods. (safer ones at that, especially regarding meat)

Don't forget crazy things like machinery. Farming became MUCH easier with machinery.

NOpe.... nope... none of that happened, because that'd show the white man in a positive light .. . and we can't be having that.

See you're forgetting apparently the best one, Gub'mint cheese!

856 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 1, 2008 7:44:29am

re: #846 LanceKates

don't forget metal tools.

And reality t.v.!