Wait about 20 minutes into the demonstration, they have La Migra move in.

Celebrating a failed, moral bankrupt, and economically inane ideology.

What Fun!

Just walked through Union Square here in NYC. There is a huge banner that reads something like "Workers Rights are Illegal Workers Rights" and there were about 150 people waving flags. The place was FLOODED with Police, literally like a cop every 5 feet. But everything at the moment was more or less peaceful and quiet.

IT would be fund to watch the Border patrol and Immigration descend on them likea pack of wolves....but let's be honest. that's never going to happen

re: #2 jcm

Celebrating a failed, moral bankrupt, and economically inane ideology.

What Fun!

Are you talking about the Democratic or Communist Party? Pardon my confusion.

I've got my Che shirt on and my red bandana...wish me luck.

Adios comrades.

re: #5 Nevergiveup

Are you talking about the Democratic or Communist Party? Pardon my confusion.

No need to apologize; they're so similar nowadays it's completely understandable that you're confused.

So, a May Day protest is to show solidarity with union workers. Unions normally represent low wage workers. The same workers who are afraid of losing their jobs to illegal immigrants. Now May Day parades are to show support for illegal immigrants.

When some figues this out, please let me know.

re: #3 Sizzlack

"Workers Rights are Illegal Workers Rights"

Citizens' Rights are Criminals' Rights!
That's basically what they're saying.

re: #6 Ringo the Gringo

I've got my Che shirt on and my red bandana...wish me luck.

Adios comrades.

Good luck. We're all counting on you.

As expected, they'll be calling people all sorts of names while making even greater demands of us.

That's sure to win us over.

re: #6 Ringo the Gringo

Vaya con Dios!

re: #6 Ringo the Gringo

I've got my Che shirt on and my red bandana...wish me luck.

Adios comrades.

Ringo going stealth. I like such initiative.

Bring me your huddled masses....

re: #6 Ringo the Gringo

I've got my Che shirt on and my red bandana...wish me luck.

Adios comrades.

Adios, take an umbrella for the water cannons.

Someone needs to call Border Patrol and have them check for illegal immigrants.

That'll reduce the parade turnout.

Expect this crap from now till Tuesday, since Cinco De Mayo is Monday. For most of these cretins its an excuse to take a few days off from work, hassle the man and get drunk.

re: #15 jorline

Spaceghost, I like it. Registered on my b-day, I like it.

re: #2 jcm
Celebrating a failed, moral bankrupt, and economically inane ideology.

What Fun!

re: #5 Nevergiveup
Are you talking about the Democratic or Communist Party? Pardon my confusion.

There's a difference?

re: #6 Ringo the Gringo

I've got my Che shirt on and my red bandana...wish me luck.

Adios comrades.

Get some tacos to go so you'll really fit in.

Stealth mode! Woo hoo!

re: #15 jorline

Bring me your huddled masses....

...and let them enter if they're qualified.

Where is Bull Connor when we really need him?

re: #20 Da_Beerfreak

re: #7 Fat Jolly Penguin

GMTA...

re: #18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Expect this crap from now till Tuesday, since Cinco De Mayo is Monday. For most of these cretins its an excuse to take a few days off from work, hassle the man and get drunk.

But, they're just calling in 'sick' to jobs that Americans won't do!

/

re: #19 bosforus

Spaceghost, I like it. Registered on my b-day, I like it.

//a tip of the hat...thank you

It’s May Day, which means marches, and a lot of roads are closed.

I read "It's May Day, and that means machetes, and a lot of roads are closed."

It's May Day- Communist Day- so what are they people really celebrating? Let's take a look:

Communist Body Count: 149,469,610

#1- China: Body Count: 73,237,000
#2- USSR:Body Count: 58,627,000
#3- Russian Soviets: Body Count: 3,284,000
#4- North Korea: Body Count: 3,163,000
#5- Cambodia: Body Count: 2,627,000

People who celebrate this ideology are celebrating mass murder.

I went to one of the protests last year wearing a shirt with the flag of Argentina. Suprisingly, I was not well recepted. Apparently the Mexicans have no love of Argentines, or at least for those whose ancestors came here legally.

re: #26 jorline

//a tip of the hat...thank you

Requested and received an autographed 8x10 glossy from spaceghost back in '98. I've still got it somewhere around here.

re: #13 song_and_dance_man

Clusterf**k comes to mind.

"Jebo lud zbunjen" (means "the crazy f*cking the confused")

These people & previous thread are so close to outbound boats......hmm

I would love huddled masses as long as they are yearning to be free.

Those that are yearning to institute the same slavery/communist hell-hole here that they left back home can just stay away.

re: #28 Sharmuta

It's May Day- Communist Day- so what are they people really celebrating? Let's take a look:

Communist Body Count: 149,469,610

#1- China: Body Count: 73,237,000
#2- USSR:Body Count: 58,627,000
#3- Russian Soviets: Body Count: 3,284,000
#4- North Korea: Body Count: 3,163,000
#5- Cambodia: Body Count: 2,627,000

People who celebrate this ideology are celebrating mass murder.

As I've said earlier, let's call it Mass Murder Day.

re: #28 Sharmuta

It's May Day- Communist Day- so what are they people really celebrating? Let's take a look:

Communist Body Count: 149,469,610

#1- China: Body Count: 73,237,000
#2- USSR:Body Count: 58,627,000
#3- Russian Soviets: Body Count: 3,284,000
#4- North Korea: Body Count: 3,163,000
#5- Cambodia: Body Count: 2,627,000

People who celebrate this ideology are celebrating mass murder.

Well anything worth doing is worth doing well!

re: #22 bosforus

...and let them enter if they're qualified.

and the choir sang AMEN!

My way of protesting the May Day protests is to buy stock on the market and send money to a mutual fund. I plan to celebrate the capitalist system and hope to have a few extra bucks in my pocket for my efforts.

re: #5 Nevergiveup

Are you talking about the Democratic or Communist Party? Pardon my confusion.

There's a difference?

re: #31 bosforus

Requested and received an autographed 8x10 glossy from spaceghost back in '98. I've still got it somewhere around here.

eBay is waiting $$$$

re: #36 The Other Les

As I've said earlier, let's call it Mass Murder Day.

Here's my May Day t-shirt.

If they really do manage to turn out this many, it then means that someone's buying again. That would Soros or Chavez. You don't get 100K out spontaneously without some large funding.

re: #42 Sharmuta

Here's my May Day t-shirt.

You know I never noticed that the tank commanders and loaders were buttoned up with the hatches closed.

Cowards.

Perhaps we can celebrate some heroes of La Raza, like the 6 Million Peso Man.

re: #35 Silhouette

I would love huddled masses as long as they are yearning to be free.

Those that are yearning to institute the same slavery/communist hell-hole here that they left back home can just stay away.

Not the same "slavery/communist hell-hole" that they left back home, but rather a "slavery/communist hell-hole" with THEM in the positions of power.

/an important distinction...

/Oh, yeah, and *SPIT*

re: #44 song_and_dance_man

Now that's a fit.

the dead beat dock workers and code pink?

re: #45 The Other Les

You know I never noticed that the tank commanders and loaders were buttoned up with the hatches closed.

Cowards.

I do believe that the Commander in the first tank is standing up behind his open hatch?

re: #47 CIA Reject

The best correction I've gotten all week. Agreed.

re: #45 The Other Les

You know I never noticed that the tank commanders and loaders were buttoned up with the hatches closed.

Cowards.

Heh! A molotov in a hatch could make someones day. (Hungary '58)

re: #48 nyc redneck

the dead beat dock workers and code pink?

Is that the commie version of the "72 virgins" thing?

Ringo, Zombie and other stalwarts who venture out to document this:

Please get some "behind the scenes" organizational shots if you can along with the usual loons.
e.g. if there are well-printed signs, where do they get them? If people are bussed in, where from, by whom ?
Are snacks or food provided at locations? Any corporate sponsors? Is someone rolling out beer barrels for turnout?

re: #46 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

ROFL...that was hilarious. Now I just have to explain to my coworkers why I was laughing out loud.

re: #45 The Other Les

Cowards.

Yeah- four big tanks to take on one guy wanting freedom.... you could say that's cowardly, alright.

re: #50 Silhouette

The best correction I've gotten all week. Agreed.

Yup, remember: "All pigs are equal, but some pigs are more equal than others!" It's all about being the more equal pigs.

/Sad part is, they're still pigs!

re: #28 Sharmuta

It's May Day- Communist Day- so what are they people really celebrating? Let's take a look:

Communist Body Count: 149,469,610

#1- China: Body Count: 73,237,000
#2- USSR:Body Count: 58,627,000
#3- Russian Soviets: Body Count: 3,284,000
#4- North Korea: Body Count: 3,163,000
#5- Cambodia: Body Count: 2,627,000

People who celebrate this ideology are celebrating mass murder.

I hate today, always have.

re: #6 Ringo the Gringo

I've got my Che shirt on and my red bandana...wish me luck.

Adios comrades.

Eat some hot and nasty burritos, the kind that give you really bad farts.

re: #6 Ringo the Gringo

I've got my Che shirt on and my red bandana...wish me luck.

Adios comrades.

{Ringo}

Via con Dios, my darling.

re: #55 Sharmuta

Yeah- four big tanks to take on one guy wanting freedom.... you could say that's cowardly, alright.

And for that moment, he won.

Later when they put a pistol to his head and pulled the trigger, the Government won the battle. The war? Time will tell.

Ideologically it's got to be tough to be a leftist these days.

How do you support protectionism AND unlimited immigration?

How do you support unrestricted abortion rights AND prevent women from aborting babied due to race, sex, or (soon) sexual orientation?

And how do you finance a communist revolution knowing it has to be bankrolled by capitalists?

re: #28 Sharmuta

"That's only because it was not implemented properly....Cuba and Venezuela are the better examples"

/actually told to me by a UCLA moonbat at a Hollywood anti-war protest who took offense to my protest warrior sign highlighting your very point

re: #8 CheDub

Stop trying to use logic... it is really whatever hurts America... think of it in that frame and it will make sense....

re: #63 Athos

"That's only because it was not implemented properly....Cuba and Venezuela are the better examples"

/actually told to me by a UCLA moonbat at a Hollywood anti-war protest who took offense to my protest warrior sign highlighting your very point

"We'll get it right this time!" is the battle cry of every modern communist

re: #58 Alouette

Eat some hot and nasty burritos, the kind that give you really bad farts.

San Diego, later today.

re: #60 song_and_dance_man

Now that is one ugly orgy.

Orgly

re: #62 KingKenrod

Ideologically it's got to be tough to be a leftist these days.

How do you support protectionism AND unlimited immigration?

How do you support unrestricted abortion rights AND prevent women from aborting babied due to race, sex, or (soon) sexual orientation?

And how do you finance a communist revolution knowing it has to be bankrolled by capitalists?

These contradictions and hypocrisies have never stopped them before. They regularly ignore the facts in their intellectual and moral bankruptcy.

re: #65 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"We'll get it right this time!" is the battle cry of every modern communist

"Or (you'll) die (while we're) trying!"

re: #65 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"We'll get it right this time!" is the battle cry of every modern communist

Well they got a point. In Cuba, those 59 Fords and GM cars are looking swell. And what is that motto in Venezuela: A chicken in every pot once a month?

re: #62 KingKenrod

Ideologically it's got to be tough to be a leftist these days.

How do you support protectionism AND unlimited immigration?

How do you support unrestricted abortion rights AND prevent women from aborting babied due to race, sex, or (soon) sexual orientation?

And how do you finance a communist revolution knowing it has to be bankrolled by capitalists?

That's why they are so angry. It's hard to balance, justify, and explain so many competing notions of means justified by the end.

When you start pulling at a single card in their ideological house of cards, they know, deep down, that allowing that single card to be removed, the whole thing collapses. They mentally are not prepared for the critical examination that would follow.

Hence the anger.

re: #70 Nevergiveup

Well they got a point. In Cuba, those 59 Fords and GM cars are looking swell. And what is that motto in Venezuela: A chicken in every pot once a month?

I thought it was "sell enough pot and you can buy a chicken" ?

re: #70 Nevergiveup

Well they got a point. In Cuba, those 59 Fords and GM cars are looking swell. And what is that motto in Venezuela: A chicken in every pot once a month?

They recently increased the ration to a chicken in every pot once a month from once a week.

Ringo !

Don't forget to confiscate all their bong in the name of the Ganjahadeen!

re: #73 Kosh's Shadow

They recently increased the ration to a chicken in every pot once a month from once a week.

Of course thats only after they started rationing out how many pots one could legally have.

re: #65 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"We'll get it right this time!" is the battle cry of every modern communist

The commie pigs always seem to find their way into the farmhouse and park their fat asses on the capitalist furniture.
(Animal Farm, George Orwell)

re: #5 Nevergiveup

Are you talking about the Democratic or Communist Party? Pardon my confusion.

Is their really a difference anymore?

ROUND THEM UP

I'm wondering if the black bloc will be out for a tune-up run before Denver.

re: #14 JammieWearingFool

Yeah but he told us what he's going to be wearing.....................um, never mind. He'll mix in with the crowd just fine.

Ringo - need a bumpersticker?
In your &#9829 you know he's Wright.

/ doubt the moonbats would understand it

Maypoles, flowers, dancing, picnics- oh, not that May day?

re: #61 incanus

And for that moment, he won.

Later when they put a pistol to his head and pulled the trigger, the Government won the battle. The war? Time will tell.

I believe that man lives on in the hearts of far too many for the war to be lost.

Hey, Ringo the Gringo, we expect a full report later on!

(G-d bless ya! You go, Ringo!)

police still apologizing for taking action against protestors throwing rocks at them last year-only in mexifornia

re: #74 BabbaZee

I've cleared out some space in the Ganjihad Great Room and I put on some new locks today. We're ready, Babba!

re: #81 EC Marm

Ringo - need a bumpersticker?
In your %u2665 you know he's Wright.

/ doubt the moonbats would understand it

What hearts?

re: #82 madisonsfriend

Maypoles, flowers, dancing, picnics- oh, not that May day?

commies ruin everything they touch

re: #86 BulgarWheat

I've cleared out some space in the Ganjihad Great Room and I put on some new locks today. We're ready, Babba!

EXCELLENT!

re: #62 KingKenrod

Ideologically it's got to be tough to be a leftist these days.

How do you support protectionism AND unlimited immigration?

How do you support unrestricted abortion rights AND prevent women from aborting babied due to race, sex, or (soon) sexual orientation?

And how do you finance a communist revolution knowing it has to be bankrolled by capitalists?

I don't think they have much conflict because they have a hierchy. Destruction of the US trumps anti-business feelings, so unlimited immigration wins.

Death trumps concern over victimized groups, so unrestricted abortion wins. Besides, concern for those groups were mostly faked to further agendas.

And the last is the easiest. They have no problem living off the fruit of capitalism while they plot its downfall.

Behold! The Worker's Paradise!

[Link: www.angelfire.com...]

re: #87 BabbaZee

What hearts?

They have hearts, but no brains.

re: #82 madisonsfriend

Maypoles, flowers, dancing, picnics- oh, not that May day?

Well, no, the "merrily gathering nuts in May" no longer is applicable, because the nuts are now loose...

JAFLW

Serious question. Just how far does the left have to push, before the middle and right start pushing back?

re: #83 Sharmuta

I believe that man lives on in the hearts of far too many for the war to be lost.

I hope you are correct.

re: #92 EC Marm

They have hearts, but no brains.

Where are their souls?

re: #94 song_and_dance_man

The Fugly Orgly will now begin

GIrd 'em!
LOL

re: #97 BabbaZee

Where are their souls?

Stan done got 'em. Now it's only a matter of "plastic or paper"

Happy Pinko de Mayo everyone!

re: #99 BulgarWheat

Stan done got 'em. Now it's only a matter of "plastic or paper"

that's a keeper lol

re: #95 Nevergiveup

Serious question. Just how far does the left have to push, before the middle and right start pushing back?

One of the challenges that good always faces when fighting evil is that it is in good's nature to wait too long to confront evil. Good will still persevere, but the cost is always more than it would be if confronted earlier.

Do you think this will be a success like the million man march was?
/

re: #63 Athos

"That's only because it was not implemented properly....Cuba and Venezuela are the better examples"

/actually told to me by a UCLA moonbat at a Hollywood anti-war protest who took offense to my protest warrior sign highlighting your very point

Ah- so because the body count was/is lower, they pulled it off better. I'm sure that makes the 149,439,610 murder victims feel much better.

re: #102 Athos

See: King Saul & the Amalekite King

re: #102 Athos

One of the challenges that good always faces when fighting evil is that it is in good's nature to wait too long to confront evil. Good will still persevere, but the cost is always more than it would be if confronted earlier.

Earlier has long since come and gone.

these knuckleheads have the "right" to protest not being able to break the law. Oh yeah, they're not working today, and they also have the "right" not to work on Cinco De Mayo, two of the new paid holidays they're gonna get after the election.

U.S. air strike kills al Qaeda boss in Somalia

One local elder said 30 bodies were brought from the ruins

War crime in any other Jewish State.

Strangely not referred to as a "extra judicial killing" or "targeted killing" or "targeted assassination" or "assassination."

Where are the calls of massacre and genocide?

re: #96 incanus

If people really wanted communism it wouldn't need enforcing by violence.

re: #110 song_and_dance_man

No fugly orgly is complete with a harlot.

Or a beast!

Later Lizardia

re: #108 Ben Hur

I was thinking of Hengineer this morning when he checked in. He's right off of the coast.

re: #113 BulgarWheat

I was thinking of Hengineer this morning when he checked in. He's right off of the coast.

Maybe he's not doing what he says he is doing.

;)

re: #104 Sharmuta

This wanker would just say that the leaders of those countries were the ones who were weak and failed, not the ideology.

One of the funniest things about these marxists is that everyone of them thinks they are in the .0001% of the population who will run things. In reality, 99.9999% of them will be the victims - and rather than be raised to some mythical median, they will be forced to the lowest levels of subsistence without freedom, liberty, or individual rights.

Why is poor, innocent May Day abused and brutalized so much? Should mean daisy chains and dancing, giving a lady a handful of wildflowers. But no, first the Soviets and Chinese and now the illegals.

re: #107 leboaz

these knuckleheads have the "right" to protest not being able to break the law. Oh yeah, they're not working today, and they also have the "right" not to work on Cinco De Mayo, two of the new paid holidays they're gonna get after the election.

I do plan to eat chips, salsa and burritos on Monday. Unfortunately, I do have to work to pay for that lunch. Later today, I hope to find a Maypole to dance around(yeah right) although I am not sure what one eats to celebrate the original May day(I hope nothing to do with the Druid Maypole origins- I hear the Maypole ribbons are based on the intestines of the victims the Druids wrapped around the sacred tree)

re: #82 madisonsfriend

And don't forget the rhyme of the day, repeated in frat houses across the land:

Hooray! Hooray!
It's the First of May!
Outdoor f**king begins today!

It's "Immigration Day", so instead of Law Day, it's No Law Day.

re: #119 mikalm

And don't forget the rhyme of the day, repeated in frat houses across the land:

Hooray! Hooray!
It's the First of May!
Outdoor f**king begins today!

I'm way too old for this one!

re: #106 Nevergiveup

Yes it is. Unfortunately, the majority of the good are still willing to wait in order to be certain that they are facing evil.

The cost today is higher than it was yesterday, but less than it will be if we act tomorrow. My fear is that there will be a point where we've crossed the Rubicon - and would be too outnumbered to overcome evil. I don't know where that point will be or if it exists, but that is my worry.

re: #108 Ben Hur

U.S. air strike kills al Qaeda boss in Somalia

War crime in any other Jewish State.

Strangely not referred to as a "extra judicial killing" or "targeted killing" or "targeted assassination" or "assassination."

Where are the calls of massacre and genocide?

"Infidel planes"

I snickered when I read that.

re: #95 Nevergiveup

Serious question. Just how far does the left have to push, before the middle and right start pushing back?

i think it is starting now.
osama is getting pushed back, that's a good sign.

re: #117 madisonsfriend

I do plan to eat chips, salsa and
burritos on Monday. Unfortunately, I do have to work to pay for that
lunch. Later today, I hope to find a Maypole to dance around(yeah
right) although I am not sure what one eats to celebrate the original
May day(I hope nothing to do with the Druid Maypole origins- I hear the
Maypole ribbons are based on the intestines of the victims the Druids
wrapped around the sacred tree)

No one knows who they were, or what they were doing.
/Spinal Tap

re: #114 Ben Hur

Then cheers to him! We'll hope for the best.

re: #116 Russkilitlover

Why is poor, innocent May Day abused and brutalized so much? Should mean daisy chains and dancing, giving a lady a handful of wildflowers. But no, first the Soviets and Chinese and now the illegals.

Don't forget the parades featuring the latest fashions in ICBMs, and trucks and trailers with whitewall tires. Not to mention the Politburo members modeling wool coats and furry hats.

The Beheadmaster

One person was killed and three were wounded Wednesday in an Israeli airstrike targeting a metal shop in Rafah, according to Palestinian security and medical sources.

Israel Defense Forces confirmed the airstrike.

The person killed was the deputy commander of the Islamic Jihad military wing, according to the Palestinian sources, who said he also served as a school headmaster at a United Nations Relief and Works Agency school.

And I just heard WABC news refer to "immigration protests" around the country.

No mention of May Day.

My wife recently took a few sociology and anthropology courses at the University of Buffalo; she wants to eventually get a BA in something... That's exactly what her sociology professor drummed into the class - that Communism just was never properly implemented, and that the Soviets, Khmer Rouge, etc bastardized Marx's ideas.

My wife unfortunately believes that crap to this day.

re: #104 Sharmuta

Ah- so because the body count was/is lower, they pulled it off better. I'm sure that makes the 149,439,610 murder victims feel much better.

re: #115 Athos

One of the funniest things about these marxists is that everyone of them thinks they are in the .0001% of the population who will run things. In reality, 99.9999% of them will be the victims - and rather than be raised to some mythical median, they will be forced to the lowest levels of subsistence without freedom, liberty, or individual rights.

Communism needs just one thing to survive- useful idiots. Sadly- the world is chock full of them.

re: #116 Russkilitlover

Why is poor, innocent May Day abused and brutalized so much? Should mean daisy chains and dancing, giving a lady a handful of wildflowers. But no, first the Soviets and Chinese and now the illegals.

Didn't it start with the pagans?

re: #123 MandyManners

"Infidel planes"

I snickered when I read that.

I did to. And if most of us had our way, Habib there would be doin' a dance number avoiding cluster bombs and other "infidel" ordnance...

re: #119 mikalm

Someone else said that one the deadthread this morning. I seemed to have missed out on almost all of the fun. My youth wasn't nearly as mis-spent as it damn well should have been.

re: #128 Ben Hur

The Beheadmaster

And I just heard WABC news refer to "immigration protests" around the country.

No mention of May Day.

How much was the UN paying him?

re: #117 madisonsfriend

I do plan to eat chips, salsa and burritos on Monday. Unfortunately, I do have to work to pay for that lunch. Later today, I hope to find a Maypole to dance around(yeah right) although I am not sure what one eats to celebrate the original May day(I hope nothing to do with the Druid Maypole origins- I hear the Maypole ribbons are based on the intestines of the victims the Druids wrapped around the sacred tree)

Oy.

re: #123 MandyManners

"Infidel planes"

I snickered when I read that.

The Navy should call their version of the Joint Strike Fighter the "Crusader II", like the old Chance-Vought F-8U. "Crusader II" would have a nice psyops effect on the jihadis.

re: #88 nyc redneck

commies ruin everything they touch

Those commie picnics are such a riot.

re: #134 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How much was the UN paying him?

I don't know, but there is NO WAY they didn't know.

And if they didn't, they chose not to know.

The root difference between the Conservatives and the Liberals of today is that Conservatives take account of the whole man, while the Liberals tend to look only at the material side of man's nature. The Conservative believes that man is, in part, an economic; an animal creature; but that he is also a spiritual creature with spiritual needs and spiritual desires. What is more, these needs and desires reflect the superior side of man's nature and thus take precedence over his economic wants. Conservatism therefore looks upon the enhancement of man's spiritual nature as the primary concern of political philosophy. Liberals, on the other hand,--in the name of a concern for "human beings"--regard the satisfaction of economic wants as the dominant mission of society. They are, moreover, in a hurry. So that their characteristic approach is to harness the society's political and economic forces into a collective effort to compel "progress." In this approach, I believe they fight against Nature.

Barry Goldwater
Conscience of a Conservative.

re: #129 Pyrocles

My wife recently took a few sociology and anthropology courses at the University of Buffalo; she wants to eventually get a BA in something... That's exactly what her sociology professor drummed into the class - that Communism just was never properly implemented, and that the Soviets, Khmer Rouge, etc bastardized Marx's ideas.

My wife unfortunately believes that crap to this day.

err...that's called sleeping with the enemy...

:-D

Mayday; communist Christmas.

re: #103 see bs

Do you think this will be a success like the million man march was?
/

The MSM will be sure and report it that way.

JAFLW

re: #131 MandyManners

Didn't it start with the pagans?

Pagans, wouldn't that mean nekkid wimmin? Oh, never mind, they'd probably all be Sherry Glaser types. Yuck.

re: #132 paxnhymn

I did to. And if most of us had our way, Habib there would be doin' a dance number avoiding cluster bombs and other "infidel" ordnance...

"Infidel ordnance" would be a great name for a garage band.

There is an online Palestinian Holocaust Museum.

I will not give link to either the Israellycool post, or the "museum."

re: #133 BulgarWheat

Someone else said that one the deadthread this morning. I seemed to have missed out on almost all of the fun. My youth wasn't nearly as mis-spent as it damn well should have been.

I figured I was doing my fair share as well as someone else's.

re: #131 MandyManners

Didn't it start with the pagans?

Absolutely! Pagens have all the fun. Christmas, May Day, Beltane....

it's walpurgis nacht, too, isn't it?

just a lovely conglomeration of holidays.

re: #146 MandyManners

as long as you got me covered, I won't complain.

re: #45 The Other Les

You know I never noticed that the tank commanders and loaders were buttoned up with the hatches closed.

Cowards.

the main tubes have covers on them, and it appears the DShK's do too, so it appears that they just expected people to leave when the tanks appeared....... which is a fairly sensible thing to do.

/unless you have an Eagle Cocktail handy.... %-)

re: #136 Ward Cleaver

The Navy should call their version of the Joint Strike Fighter the "Crusader II", like the old Chance-Vought F-8U. "Crusader II" would have a nice psyops effect on the jihadis.

The PC Police at the Pentagon wouldn't allow it.

re: #136 Ward Cleaver

The Navy should call their version of the Joint Strike Fighter the "Crusader II", like the old Chance-Vought F-8U. "Crusader II" would have a nice psyops effect on the jihadis.

How dare you, you're only insulting Muslims and encouraging more to become terrorists you warmonger! /raving and spitting koskiddie

re: #145 Ben Hur

There is an online Palestinian Holocaust Museum.

I will not give link to either the Israellycool post, or the "museum."

Though I will post this comment from the "Sympathize" section:

Jim Corrado - US
As the Palestinian children in Gaza, West Bank, Nar Al-bared, and Iraq, go hungry, and die from zionist cowardly homicide bombers, our US public radio never mentions their suffering.

Instead we Americans are reminded over and over about the "Holocaust".

Thank you Islam Online for creating a 'Palestine Holocaust Museum' for the Palestinians, whose suffering is both ongoing, and enormous.

Jim Corrado (Glide, Oregon USA)

Obviously a Pali posing as an American.

*sigh* if only law abiding people could have the laws upheld....

I'm with Phoenix Girl, with all of them in one place, now would be the time to round them up. Send Sheriff Joe after them!

re: #108 Ben Hur

U.S. air strike kills al Qaeda boss in Somalia

War crime in any other Jewish State.

Strangely not referred to as a "extra judicial killing" or "targeted killing" or "targeted assassination" or "assassination."

Where are the calls of massacre and genocide?

From the story:

Western security services have long seen lawless Somalia as a haven for militants. Warlords overthrew dictator Mohamed Siad Barre in 1991, casting the country into chaos.

Ever notice that places where Sharia is in full effect, in other words Islamic Paradises, are horrific places by any other measure? No government. No rule of law. No safety. No stability.

Hey Lance, was Mos Eisley an al Qaeda hangout?

re: #121 madisonsfriend

I'll always remember when "Joe Bob Briggs", the nom de guerre of a wiseass Texas columnist that he used for his comic reviews of Grade-Z trash cinema, got a particularly hilarious piece of hatemail. The missive dripped with indignance about his satiric columns, and accused him of all the usual PC felonies: racism, sexism, etc. The letter was signed by about twenty people, all of whom spelled out their full names, appended with various alphabet-soup academic credentials (MSWs and MFCCs seemed to be particularly well-represented).

Joe Bob responded, using his down-home persona: "I think y'all would be a lot less angy if you just shortened your names and lay together nekkid in a pile!"

Similar advice could be dispensed to today's grievance-mongers. Forget about the Cause-of-the-Week, and just celebrate the high season of Spring with a big orgy somewhere. Just not in the city streets, k?

Since Babba signed off, I'm heading back off to the Ganjihad Great Room and will now retrieve the Sacred Bong of Ganjihad. Nobody tell on me, ok?

Who's got the Doritos?

re: #128 Ben Hur

The Beheadmaster

One person was killed and three were wounded Wednesday in an Israeli airstrike targeting a metal shop Kassam missile factory in Rafah, according to Palestinian security and medical sources.

re: #143 Ward Cleaver

Pagans, wouldn't that mean nekkid wimmin? Oh, never mind, they'd probably all be Sherry Glaser types. Yuck.

Nekkid men, too?

re: #136 Ward Cleaver

The Navy should
call their version of the Joint Strike Fighter the "Crusader II", like
the old Chance-Vought F-8U. "Crusader II" would have a nice psyops
effect on the jihadis.

I was just gonna say there already was a "Crusader II," but I was thinking of the similar Corsair II, also from Vought.

Death to Communists, and their clueless tools.

re: #159 MandyManners

Nekkid men, too?

Oh beehave.......

Ex-Guantanamo inmate in Iraq suicide bombing: TV

But...but...but...they swear on the Koran and denounce violence!

re: #147 Russkilitlover

Absolutely! Pagens have all the fun. Christmas, May Day, Beltane....

Did Nazis celebrate May Day?

re: #145 Ben Hur

so, seriously, they want to have their cake and eat it too?

cake provided by capitalist dollars from the united states?

ow.

re: #145 Ben Hur

There is an online Palestinian Holocaust Jordanian Gypsy Ulufest Museum.

I will not give link to either the Israellycool post, or the "museum."

thought I'd make it al wee bit more pallatable for you....it made me sick.

re: #162 Athos

Oh beehave.......

U bee sew funny.

re: #149 BulgarWheat

as long as you got me covered, I won't complain.

Trust me, it was fun.

The really patriotic thing to do is drink more Corona and Dos Equis. The manufacturers then make more beer, and hire more Mexicans, therefore reducing the number who feel the need to move here to get a job.

re: #165 Kefirah

I found out earlier on the dead thread that "cake" is the stuff left over from water treatment plants.

"Let them eat cake......"

re: #159 MandyManners

Nekkid men, too?

Yeah, but they look like Sherry Glaser, too.

And here I was thinking everybody was getting excited today over Ascension Thursday.
;)

re: #151 MandyManners

The PC Police at the Pentagon wouldn't allow it.

And the State Department will not allow the use of the words "Jihad" Or "Islamic Fascist" anymore! I guess if we don't say it, "it" might go away?

re: #153 Ben Hur

Obviously a Pali posing as an American.

What's a "zionist cowardly homicide bomber"?

re: #136 Ward Cleaver

The Navy should call their version of the Joint Strike Fighter the "Crusader II", like the old Chance-Vought F-8U. "Crusader II" would have a nice psyops effect on the jihadis.

I read something the other day that the JSF is about dead in the water...I'll look for the linky. Really, I hope so. they've tried that joint fighter crap before (F-4) and everybody was pissed off...end the end no one was happy...

Old school Mass Murderer Day:

re: #154 shimauma

*sigh* if only law abiding people could have the laws upheld....

I'm with Phoenix Girl, with all of them in one place, now would be the time to round them up. Send Sheriff Joe after them!

They are within their rights to demonstrate. This IS America.

re: #171 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Yeah, but they look like Sherry Glaser, too.

Or Scroteus Maximus.

re: #174 MandyManners

What's a "zionist cowardly homicide bomber"?

Palestinians are apparently a Zionist plot.

re: #177 MandyManners

They are within their rights to demonstrate. This IS America.

They don't have rights if they are here illegally. I think that is kind of their point (or, at least, what I take from their post)

re: #164 MandyManners

Did Nazis celebrate May Day?

I really don't know. But I don't think the Nazi's had much of a sense of fun. So angry all the time - you know, like Michelle Obama.

re: #129 Pyrocles

My wife just does not want to be bothered.

42, and everyone should just get along.

We do not discuss things like this.

She has actually moved right on some things, but it takes a certain amount of effort to do what we do here.

I think folks on the left don't like to exercise their mind that much.

re: #175 paxnhymn

I read something the other day that the JSF is about dead in the water...I'll look for the linky. Really, I hope so. they've tried that joint fighter crap before (F-4) and everybody was pissed off...end the end no one was happy...

They've built more than ten airframes so far, including Navy and Marine (V/STOL) versions.

re: #159 MandyManners

Yup. Been to quite a few of those gatherings in my youth. I'm a big advocate of having "festival time," when the normal rules are suspended for awhile and one blows off steam in a big way. Much healthier, IMHO, than indulging one's envy and revenge-fantasies in the name of May Day.

re: #169 doppelganglander

The really patriotic thing to do is drink more Corona and Dos Equis. The manufacturers then make more beer, and hire more Mexicans, therefore reducing the number who feel the need to move here to get a job.

Bohemia. That Corona? Pisswater.

re: #181 Russkilitlover

they might've, given their general leanings towards the occult.

re: #172 Irene NYC

And here I was thinking everybody was getting excited today over Ascension Thursday.
;)

It's been moved to Sunday.

re: #157 BulgarWheat

Since Babba signed off, I'm heading back off to the Ganjihad Great Room and will now retrieve the Sacred Bong of Ganjihad. Nobody tell on me, ok?

Who's got the Doritos?

And I will go get the 3 kilos of black Tibetan finger hash from the mujHashadeem mediocre chamber. I think it's too early for a drinking thread.

re: #181 Russkilitlover

I really don't know. But I don't think the Nazi's had much of a sense of fun. So angry all the time - you know, like Michelle Obama.

It's all the leather.

re: #23 Armigerous

Moby Alert! 69 posts in one year (01/27/07)

re: #175 paxnhymn

I read something the
other day that the JSF is about dead in the water...I'll look for the
linky. Really, I hope so. they've tried that joint fighter crap before
(F-4) and everybody was pissed off...end the end no one was happy...

The F-111 was intended to be a one-size fits all aircraft, which didn't work out at all. The F-4 was a great plane - not a one size fits all, but a great fighter & a great attack plane (and photo recon, and test-bed, and...) In service with over 12 countries for over 40 years ain't too bad a record!

re: #175 paxnhymn

I read something the other day that the JSF is about dead in the water...I'll look for the linky. Really, I hope so. they've tried that joint fighter crap before (F-4) and everybody was pissed off...end the end no one was happy...

The F-4 was a great plane, and had a long service history, into the '90s, doing defense suppression (Wild Weasel) in GW1.

Here in LA, we welcome the "May Day" protests. It clears up the traffic on the freeways with all of the riff-raff, illegals, and lefties off the road so that those of us who actually work and support our families without government handouts can git'r done!

re: #188 ethanxxx

meet me in the garage, .....and bring some 7-Up and a bag of Doritos, ok?

re: #190 Bubblehead II

Interesting.

re: #51 jcm

Heh! A molotov in a hatch could make someones day. (Hungary '58)

HUNGARY 56
HUNGARY 56

re: #169 doppelganglander

The really patriotic thing to do is drink more Corona and Dos Equis. The manufacturers then make more beer, and hire more Mexicans, therefore reducing the number who feel the need to move here to get a job.

Here in NYC, I believe that aside from Guinness, Corona is the most popular beer.

And it heralds the coming arrival of Cinco de Drinko.

re: #12 MandyManners

Vaya con Dios Che!

Fixed.

So, what's the value added of Aztlan to anyone?

Human sacrifices and skin flaying? Of everyone ELSE, not your own group? Are they like, admitting the Aztecs were hegemonic empire-builders who ranged all over the region subduing the local tribes? With human sacrifices running into the hundreds per day on the bigh holidays, seems the Aztecs pretty much decimated the populations in the areas they ranged into, leaving few or nobody behind, force marching their captives back to (what is now) Mexico City ... meaning open land ... meaning ... what are they talking about, now?

re: #194 BulgarWheat

All I have is ginger ale and Cheezzee poofs?

re: #199 LA-Lawyer

And it heralds the coming arrival of Cinco de Drinko.

Guillermo's Cinco de Mayo thing on Jimmy Kimmel's show last year was hilarious. He did stuff like ride around on a donkey, carrying shots of tequila.

re: #202 ethanxxx

we'll take whatever we can get our hands on. It's May Day dangit.

thx!

re: #183 Ward Cleaver

They've built more than ten airframes so far, including Navy and Marine (V/STOL) versions.

They've already made some cuts in the program due to cost overuns. The pentagon argument is that it's quicly becoming as expensive as the F-22. The whole reason behind the JSF was to build a cheaper version of the Raptor that everyone could use. I look for the Navy / Marines / RAF to use it, but I've got freinds in The AF that say the higher ups are getting squirrely about it. That sounds like the AF is fixin' to do their "hell no we won't go" routine...

re: #174 MandyManners

What's a "zionist cowardly homicide bomber"?

Anyone smart enough to realize you can kill the enemy without strapping a bomb to your chest and targetting civilians

re: #191 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The F-111 was intended to be a one-size fits all aircraft, which didn't work out at all. The F-4 was a great plane - not a one size fits all, but a great fighter & a great attack plane (and photo recon, and test-bed, and...) In service with over 12 countries for over 40 years ain't too bad a record!

Best flying brick ever!

re: #185 Ward Cleaver

I get so much crap for liking Corona. A waiter a couple of weeks ago talked me into a Modelo Negro, which was good, but I really prefer a lighter flavor. I am not familiar with Bohemia and would never suspect it's from Mexico, given the name, but I will give it a try.

Looking forward to Ringo the Gringo and Protest Shooter's photo reports later!

Mine will be up tonight too.

re: #209 NoSubmission

you go NoSUb!

re: #198 tfc3rid

According to a friend of mine, Corona got to be the #1 import because they have a super-efficient distribution network, coupled with saturation marketing. It's sad, because practically every other Mexican beer out there -- even Tecate -- is better.

More Mexican beer lore: The reason there are so many good cervezas from south of the border is because lots of German and Czech immigrants settled in Northern Mexico around 100 years ago, and set up breweries that weren't affected by Prohibition's destruction of the US brewing industry.

re: #207 incanus

Best flying brick ever!

That brick has been the world's biggest supplier of MiG parts since it entered service.

Corona beer?
Ack!

Trying to get Equatorial Strong Boy instead!
(Uganda Breweries - it's real name is ESB - Extra Strong Brew) Want a t-shirt of that soooo bad, but they haven't figured out yet what a great thing they've got, merchandising-wise.

re: #191 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Once they mounted the Vulcan cannon on the nose. Still one of my favorite planes of all time.

re: #213 wanumba

if we're talking about beers, i have to point out that, despite the fact that i wanted DESPERATELY to love it, he-brew is not that good. very bitter.

but i'm a girl, and i love lindemann's framboise, so there.

re: #208 doppelganglander

You might like Tecate. It's also a light pilsner, but (IMHO) better-tasting.

On this May Day, let's remember - Absolut and recommit ourselves - to the boycott.

re: #211 mikalm

According
to a friend of mine, Corona got to be the #1 import because they have a
super-efficient distribution network, coupled with saturation
marketing. It's sad, because practically every other Mexican beer out
there -- even Tecate -- is better.

More Mexican beer lore: The
reason there are so many good cervezas from south of the border is
because lots of German and Czech immigrants settled in Northern Mexico
around 100 years ago, and set up breweries that weren't affected by
Prohibition's destruction of the US brewing industry.

A general rule of thumb is that if you need to add fruit to your beer in order for it to taste good, it's not a good beer.

I'll still drink it, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

What a coincidence that illegal rallies and port workers striking all occur on the big Commie Holiday!

Bill Handel has some hilarious soud bites from the rally last year: Stupid Marcher Tricks

re: #198 tfc3rid

Here in NYC, I believe that aside from Guinness, Corona is the most popular beer.

Mexico wouldn't have it's beer industry (which is quite good) without the Germans. First the Kaiser's volk, then the Nazis. They actually thought that they could organize Mexico to attack America! And then German efficiency ran smack into the wall of Mexican manana.

re: #218 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

it's a lambic. better with fruit than with hops.

re: #215 Kefirah

Ever had Maccabee, the Israeli beer? It's pretty good. Again, a legacy of German settlers -- German Jews, in this case.

re: #212 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That brick has been the world's biggest supplier of MiG parts since it entered service.

ROFL, true!

I grew up watching the 119th Interceptor Squadron flying F-4s . Touch and go, round and round ... wow those were loud planes. Fast, not terribly maneuverable. Seeing the afterburners at night was tres cool.

A family friend got me a few tours of the hangars. When I was young many of the Phantoms were ex-Navy and still had tailhooks and bullet holes patched over.

In the 90s the 119th got F-16s ... much more maneuverable, they were turning west the second they got off the runway, but not quite the same effect as the old Phantoms.

re: #91 The Other Les

Behold! The Worker's Paradise!

[Link: www.angelfire.com...]

Marxism-Leninism was based on the theory of evolution which teachs that through millions of years, labor had helped the ape-man to became human...

OH NOES U DID'UNT!

re: #205 paxnhymn

They've already made some cuts in the program due to cost overuns. The pentagon argument is that it's quicly becoming as expensive as the F-22. The whole reason behind the JSF was to build a cheaper version of the Raptor that everyone could use. I look for the Navy / Marines / RAF to use it, but I've got freinds in The AF that say the higher ups are getting squirrely about it. That sounds like the AF is fixin' to do their "hell no we won't go" routine...

Kind of the opposite of the F-111 program, where the Navy version was way too overweight for landing on carriers, and got canceled.

re: #214 ethanxxx

Once they mounted the Vulcan cannon on the nose. Still one of my favorite planes of all time.

No, I think it was a centerline weapons pod.

re: #221 Kefirah

it's a lambic. better with fruit than with hops.

That's funny, I was just about to say don't read #218, but alas!

re: #218 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That's more of a cultural thing. Bohemia, Modelo Negro and Dos Equis Amber actually shouldn't be drunk with limes, as they're darker pilsners that stand up without any enhancement.

re: #216 mikalm

Thanks, I'll try that one, too. I think I get in too much of a rut with beer (like most things, I'm afraid) and I'm wary of trying something new. I've a conservative even in my drinking habits.

re: #223 incanus

ROFL, true!

I
grew up watching the 119th Interceptor Squadron flying F-4s . Touch and
go, round and round ... wow those were loud planes. Fast, not terribly
maneuverable. Seeing the afterburners at night was tres cool.

A
family friend got me a few tours of the hangars. When I was young many
of the Phantoms were ex-Navy and still had tailhooks and bullet holes
patched over.

In the 90s the 119th got F-16s ... much more
maneuverable, they were turning west the second they got off the
runway, but not quite the same effect as the old Phantoms.

The F-16 is a sports car, the F-4 is a muscle car.

re: #222 mikalm

nope. can't find any place in texas that sells it, though i've definitely got a t-shirt.

re: #192 Ward Cleaver

The F-4 was a great plane, and had a long service history, into the '90s, doing defense suppression (Wild Weasel) in GW1.

didn't say the brick was a bad plane...I said everyone whined about it...

re: #211 mikalm

More Mexican beer lore: The reason there are so many good cervezas from south of the border is because lots of German and Czech immigrants settled in Northern Mexico around 100 years ago, and set up breweries that weren't affected by Prohibition's destruction of the US brewing industry.

IS there a country where the Germans didn't teach the people to brew? Well obviously the US, who the HELL puts rice in their beer anyway.

re: #192 Ward Cleaver

The F-4 was a great plane, and had a long service history, into the '90s, doing defense suppression (Wild Weasel) in GW1.

America's proof the the world that even a brick will fly if you put enough engine into it. %-)

re: #227 wanumba

i am stuck in the law library reading about medicare, medicaid, and the perils of enforced insurance coverage.

so i'm reloading comments every 30 seconds, clearly. :)

re: #223 incanus

ROFL, true!

I grew up watching the 119th Interceptor Squadron flying F-4s . Touch and go, round and round ... wow those were loud planes. Fast, not terribly maneuverable. Seeing the afterburners at night was tres cool.

A family friend got me a few tours of the hangars. When I was young many of the Phantoms were ex-Navy and still had tailhooks and bullet holes patched over.

In the 90s the 119th got F-16s ... much more maneuverable, they were turning west the second they got off the runway, but not quite the same effect as the old Phantoms.

I can remember watching Navy F-4s doing their touch-and-gos ("crash-and-gos") at the old NAS Dallas in the mid '70s. I had one fly over my car as I was driving on Jefferson Blvd (old US 80), which ran east-west just north of their north-south runway. I had the stereo cranked way up, and the F-4 on approach drowned it all out.

re: #226 incanus

No, I think it was a centerline weapons pod.

F-4's got built & retrofitted with an internal cannon. The gun pod added a lot of drag to what was already a heavy, not very manueverable plane.

re: #226 incanus

I think it was both. When I was in Civil Air Patrol in the early 70's, we used to go to Shaw Air Force Base and watch them shoot at ground targets at a place called Point Set. I almost got to fly in one as the Cadet of the week... but I came in 3rd. I did get to fly the simulator... I crashed.

re: #235 Kefirah

i am stuck in the law library reading about medicare, medicaid, and the perils of enforced insurance coverage.
so i'm reloading comments every 30 seconds, clearly. :)

Yikes!
No wonder you're beginning to daydream about beer! Me, gotta get serious and get some work done, too.
Ciao!

re: #237 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

F-4's got built & retrofitted with an internal cannon. The gun pod added a lot of drag to what was already a heavy, not very manueverable plane.

that's exactly why the AF hated it....Navy pilots hated it because the stubby wings made it hell on the flight deck..

re: #226 incanus

No, I think it was a centerline weapons pod.

until they added the gun..... (F4-E?)

re: #238 ethanxxx

Is that Eddie Rickenbacher? My older brother has a signed Eddier Rickenbacher that my grandfather handed down to him when he passed away.

re: #233 so.cal.swede

IS there a country where the Germans didn't teach the people to brew? Well obviously the US, who the HELL puts rice in their beer anyway.

Yup. Prohibition, and the mass-production uniformity of WWII and afterwards, ruined American beermaking for decades. Fortunately, we've spent the last 20-odd years rediscovering our brewing traditions, and now you can get all sorts of great local microbrews across the country. Bud and similar fare still seem to rule the roost, though.

re: #218 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Just drink Molson XXX, and you'll forget about making a run for the border/bordelo.

re: #242 BulgarWheat

"signed picture......."

re: #242 BulgarWheat

Is that Eddie Rickenbacher? My older brother has a signed Eddier Rickenbacher that my grandfather handed down to him when he passed away.

The center piece of my aviation collection is my Eddie Rickenbacher autograph.

re: #240 paxnhymn

that's exactly why the AF hated it....Navy pilots hated it because the stubby wings made it hell on the flight deck..

The Brits made the problem worse when they installed the British made Spey engines. While more powerful, their larger size demanded a wider fuselage & added weight.

re: #242 BulgarWheat

Is that Eddie Rickenbacher? My older brother has a signed Eddier Rickenbacher that my grandfather handed down to him when he passed away.

Oh... are you talking about my picture? That's my cousin Charles Limburgh.

re: #246 ethanxxx

Outstanding. I was a young lad when I was told about Eddie, and "Pop" as we called him always made a point to tell us about "America's Greatest Ace...."

re: #248 ethanxxx

dooooh!

I'm sure someone else has pointed this out above, but it never ceases to amaze me how the police are so casually slandered by the media. From the above article:

"While most of the attention will be focused on the marchers, the LAPD will also be under a great deal of scrutiny today after last year's mostly peaceful event ended with riot police beating journalists and demonstrators in MacArthur Park"

So, we have the implication that the police acted in a violent, fascist manner.

The very next sentence, and the only other one in the paragraph:

"The beatings, captured on television cameras, took place as the police were trying to clear the park after 20 to 30 people starting throwing rocks and bottles."

Unfriggin' believable. I've often wondered how police unions could be in the same political camp as those who loathe them so very, very much.

re: #247 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The Brits made the problem worse when they installed the British made Spey engines. While more powerful, their larger size demanded a wider fuselage & added weight.

tell ya what...I'd still put my bucks behind a Spey or a Royce over a Pratt or a GE...

re: #241 redc1c4

until they added the gun..... (F4-E?)

We're both on the right track:

[Wikipedia]
The F-4's biggest weakness, as it was initially designed, was its lack of an internal cannon. For a brief period, doctrine held that turning combat would be impossible at supersonic speeds and little effort was made to teach pilots air combat maneuvering. In reality, engagements quickly became subsonic. Furthermore, the relatively new heat-seeking and radar-guided missiles at the time were frequently reported as unreliable and pilots had to use multiple shots just to hit one target. To compound the problem, rules of engagement in Vietnam precluded long-range missile attacks in most instances, as visual identification was normally required. Many pilots found themselves on the tail of an enemy aircraft but too close to fire short-range Falcons or Sidewinders. Although in 1967 USAF F-4Cs began carrying SUU-16 or SUU-23 external gunpods containing a 20 millimeter M61 Vulcan Gatling cannon, USAF cockpits were not equipped with lead-computing gunsights, virtually assuring a miss in a maneuvering fight. Some Marine Corps aircraft carried two pods for strafing. In addition to the loss of performance due to drag, combat showed the externally mounted cannon to be inaccurate, yet far more cost-effective than missiles. The lack of cannon was finally addressed by adding an internally mounted 20 millimeter M61 Vulcan on the F-4E.[40]

re: #226 incanus

No, I think it was a centerline weapons pod.

The AF F4E got an internal gun, Navy never did.

Does anyone know what the word allah reallyy means ?

One of the lefty lawyers at my job had the nerve to ask me - a real working class person - if I was going to attend a May day rally. My answer, NO WAY! Actually, I should have said, "no blanking way". This upperwest side jerkoff lawyer shows how the Far Left actually hates regular working class people. re: #3 Sizzlack

re: #254 jcm

The AF F4E got an internal gun, Navy never did.

Still liked the F-5 better and it wouldv'e been adopted were it not for those crappy GE engines!

I always thought this was the coolest looking F-4. It's shape lends itself to a big canvas for cool paint schemes.

re: #246 ethanxxx

The center piece of my aviation collection is my Eddie Rickenbacher autograph.

I have an autographed copy of Rickenbacker's autobiography, that my dad had signed by him.

re: #82 madisonsfriend

Maypoles, flowers, dancing, picnics- oh, not that May day?

That May-Day is all about the renewal of Spring, a return of the hopeful days with plentiful harvests when we can all climb out of our winter shelters and be happy again. You can't celebrate that May-Day right now.

There's an illegal war going on and it's getting harder to lose it.
The 'undocumented' immigrants are getting held back by The Man.
People are making money from others that should get to keep it.
Barack Obama the Messiah is back sliding in the polls.
The economy is just about almost really truly in a recession.
AND IT'S ALL W's FAULT!

/Wow, it's harder to channel moonbat than I thought.

re: #240 paxnhymn

that's exactly why the AF hated it....Navy pilots hated it because the stubby wings made it hell on the flight deck..

The F-8 could fly rings around the F-4, from what I'd heard years ago, from old F-8 engineers.

re: #262 taxfreekiller

Sometimes after a time at the wrong lat./lon. picking potatoes out of the peoples woods we would take 4 / 5 cases of beer from our up high area ,Monkey Mountain, down to the valley below , to the end of Da Nang Air Base,and lay down flat of our backs look up and watch the twin afterburners of the F-4's as they did the up, up, and away,

and all of it a taxfree night on the town.

Very cool, tfk.

mayday! mayday!

So that's where the call came from. It's never been more appropriate.

re: #258 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I always thought this was the coolest looking F-4. It's shape lends itself to a big canvas for cool paint schemes.

A member of the Bunny Squadron?

JAFLW