Good find, Charles. Thank you.

Pitiful.

What's the ideology of the station? I do recall a bunch of Red celebrating when Saddam was captured. This is the sort of thing one should expect from the Reds on May Mass Murderer Day.

My response to all of those is damn straight.

Where is the Islamic list?

Oh yeah, it's still being tabulated.

That would be shocking -- if it didn't read like every single seventh-grade textbook in America. Which it does.

The moonbats have taken over the educational system, people.

Jimmy Carter 1977-1981 – Sponsor of the Camp David Accords with the Zionist entity.

There's gratitude for you.

You sure this isn't from the Rev. "G-d DAMN America" Wright?

This illustrates the US's real mistake in Iraq -- the military did its job wonderfully, but we've almost completely failed to manage the ideological front.

Fear US!

Our own media largely views the US as the problem in the world as far as "world peace" is concerned so how big a surprise is it that the media's Islamic buds would echo this orthodoxy ?

re: #6 zombie

That would be shocking -- if it didn't read like every single seventh-grade textbook in America. Which it does.

The moonbats have taken over the educational system, people.

There was a time maybe 6 years ago when I for one thought that Education Reform meant the demise of the DOE's influence on the States.

/I want those scales back on my eyes

re: #6 zombie

That would be shocking -- if it didn't read like every single seventh-grade textbook in America. Which it does.

The moonbats have taken over the educational system, people.

How true. On the other hand, as a teacher-friend of mine once said, we shouldn't be too upset about the content of textbooks today. After all, most of the kids can't read them!.................Sigh.

Um.....Freedom of Speech?

Buncha idiots who made this. It's Franklin Pierce, not Pierce Franklin. Stupid idiot jihadis can't effin be bothered to read American history enough to know that.

Strange how they left out Teddy Roosevelt -- massacrer of the Puerto Ricans and the buffalo; and FDR, interner the Japanese-Americans and firebomber of Dresden; and Grant, who killed countless people throughout his career; et cetera, et cetera.

They should have just flipped through a copy of Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States, and the list would have been much more thorough.

Yup. Clearly not winning any hearts and minds. When Lincoln et al. make the list of "mass murderers", you've got serious problems.

They don't like Lincoln? Jeez~

re: #9 Charles

I'm sticking by my thesis: Saddam Hussein was one of the best friends the U.S. had in the Middle East. Turning against him at the start of the first Gulf War was our big mistake. We should have just politely told him he couldn't invade Kuwait, back when we had that kind of leverage.

I don't think the ideological front can be won in an Arab Muslim country.

Carter gets no credit for screwing over the Shah?

If Jimmah had supported our buddy the Shah, Ahmadinnerjacket and his buds would be fertilizer by now.

The Shah did not deal in women's undies on the head. He was the real deal.

Oddly enough, they miss FDR.

re: #5 song_and_dance_man

Where is the Islamic list?

Oh yeah, it's still being tabulated.

No. It's forbidden.

re: #9 Charles

This illustrates the US's real mistake in Iraq -- the military did its job wonderfully, but we've almost completely failed to manage the ideological front.

Well, they are probably emualting something they found on Indymedia or some US college web site

re: #20 OldLineTexan

Carter gets no credit for screwing over the Shah?

If Jimmah had supported our buddy the Shah, Ahmadinnerjacket and his buds would be fertilizer by now.

The Shah did not deal in women's undies on the head. He was the real deal.

Yep, even Dhimmi Carter makes the list. What friends he has in the jihadis.

Surprised they included Jimmy "Jimmy Carter 1977-1981 – Sponsor of the Camp David Accords with the Zionist entity." I thought they were in love with guy....

Why didn't they just start with George Washington and The Revolutionary War?

Well, I try to say something nice... aside from some weird misspellings, the production values were top-notch. The morphing was very pretty. I see that my tax money is being spent well.

We are the great war machine for peace and justice...U.S.A. and Freedom! :)

Yes, my Jihadist friends, and McCain is completely nuts and still pissed off about a prisoner of war, so he might kill a lot of you.

re: #6 zombie

That would be shocking -- if it didn't read like every single seventh-grade textbook in America. Which it does.

The moonbats have taken over the educational system, people.

Heh. In my 9th grade history class for the summer assignment we had to read the first chapter of Zinn's People's History. I didn't know who he was at the time and it was presented simply as history. However, I was able to see right through it and criticized Zinn for his understatement of the atrocities that native peoples committed against each other in favor of all of the nice things they did. It makes me proud that I can look back and know that my world-view was inherently anti-Zinn, even before I was aware of his political persuasion.

I call it evolution

They left out JFK.

Surely as a Catholic, he did something offensive to Islam.

re: #9 Charles

Alas Charles, as you know probably all too well, one of the worst mistakes we as Americans constantly make is that we think that other people think as we do. They don't as we both know. I doubt that 1 in 10,000 Americans has read the Koran much less much of the Hadith. To deal with anybody on a rational basis, you must understand their values (or perhaps lack thereof). Sadly, these people vote.

it's funded by Iranians

Well osme of these things had to be done. They just make it sound bad.

No mention of Kennedy or Ford?

re: #13 wolfie

How true. On the other hand, as a teacher-friend of mine once said, we shouldn't be too upset about the content of textbooks today. After all, most of the kids can't read them!.................Sigh.

I just read a chapter of my kid's history textbook (fifth grade). It was on Manifest Destiny. No moonbat content.

re: #32 shibumi

They left out JFK.

Surely as a Catholic, he did something offensive to Islam.

Exist.

And Marilyn Monroe.

That's pretty weak. Who researched that and missed FDR or even our founding fathers? I guess my question for MEMRI would be... What's your point? At least our leaders tend to go after people who are armed.

Wow. PMSNBC broadcasts in Iraq.

/who knew?

re: #34 winston06

it's funded by Iranians

Yup, I'd take that bet

re: #30 Jimmy the Notable

re: #16 zombie

well I guess we were thinking along the same lines.

re: #41 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

no kidding... the language of the script seems like it

Iran is and should have been the real target.

If we have to blamed for something then make it count.

For those in Iraq who already hate America, this kind of slander doesn't change much. For those in Iraq who do not hate America, this kind thing reflects a society that can now criticize its government. Something to be proud of, perhaps?

And incidentally, I think it's pretty funny that the soundtrack of this anti-American whining is from a blockbuster American movie: Terminator 2: Judgement Day.

OT: If any of you guys live in Southern California, Nonie Darwish is speaking in Rancho Mirage, CA on May 11th... Let me know if anyone is interested and I can email more info....I am accessible by clicking on the nick...

re: #32 shibumi

They left out JFK.

Surely as a Catholic, he did something offensive to Islam.

Marilyn Monroe.

re: #9 Charles

Hugh Fitzgerald at Jihad Watch has been saying that for a long time

Pierce Franklin? Eh, close enough.

re: #9 Charles

This illustrates the US's real mistake in Iraq -- the military did its job wonderfully, but we've almost completely failed to manage the ideological front.

Charles, wasn't there an early attempt by the US military to run a propaganda war in Iraqi press and radio?
I seem to recall it being shut down cold by liberal here.

re: #45 barere

It's done by Iran, I assure you

re: #9 Charles

There are dozens of TV stations in Iraq. Every political & sectarian group has one. This station is the media outlet for Sunnis Arab Islamist faction. They frequently run interviews with Hamas spokesthugs and "experts" in Islamic law weighing in on topics like suicide bombing and child marriage.

This station is in no way represetative of the majority Iraqi public or media.

I would be very intersted to hear the comments from Omar or Mohammed at Iraq the Model about this TV station.

re: #9 Charles

Hamas=Iran

re: #45 barere

And incidentally, I think it's pretty funny that the soundtrack of this anti-American whining is from a blockbuster American movie: Terminator 2: Judgement Day.

Maybe they'll learn something about the American concept of usage fees...

re: #25 LoFlyer

Hamas hates Egyptian gov't for signing the Camp David Accords. That's why the Islamists assassinated Sadat.

re: #21 Honorary Yooper

Oddly enough, they miss FDR.

I doubt they "missed" FDR. To acknowledge FDR would be to tacitly acknowledge the Holocaust, something they probably deny ever happened (while wishing for another one through Iran and Syria).

re: #51 winston06

Bingo!

stupid jimmy carter. he'll be devastated.

re: #37 OldLineTexan

I just read a chapter of my kid's history textbook (fifth grade). It was on Manifest Destiny. No moonbat content.

That's good news. I don't know how true it is, but some folks I know in the public school system here say that Texas is key in not turning every textbook to the far left. Publishers don't want to lose that market.

re: #58 nyc redneck

he already is

re: #50 mean Gene

I remember millions of leaflets being dropped by U.S. planes before the war, saying, basically "we are your liberators, not your invaders. We are here to give your country back to you. We are willing to risk our lives to give you freedom. Please help us by staying safely in your houses, away from military installations."

re: #16 zombie

Strange how they left out Teddy Roosevelt -- massacrer of the Puerto Ricans and the buffalo; and FDR, interner the Japanese-Americans and firebomber of Dresden; and Grant, who killed countless people throughout his career; et cetera, et cetera.

They should have just flipped through a copy of Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States, and the list would have been much more thorough.

Had American Taliban boy (Adam Gadahn) still been alive they probably would have.

That's enough to fry my last nerve.

FYI = My eldest is a history/ education major at Mt Union College here in Ohio.
I discovered that Zinn was the author of the text in use for one of his classes and blew a gasket . My son had no idea who Zinn is and after running a search on him was none too pleased that the entire class had been equally left in the dark as to the radical politics of the author.

re: #9 Charles

This illustrates the US's real mistake in Iraq -- the military did its job wonderfully, but we've almost completely failed to manage the ideological front.

The mistake in Iraq- and elsewhere in the Mideast- is the false belief held by some that Arabs/Islamics are capable of being indoctrinated to rationality and Western standards of freedom.

re: #60 winston06

he already is

lol, carter's hateful aspersions are coming home to roost.

re: #66 nyc redneck

he's a vile man

Jimmy Carter 1977-1981 – Sponsor of the Camp David Accords with the Zionist entity.

Yes, he's responsible for all the terrorism the Palis have committed on Israelis since then. And, actually, those Palis that were killed to protect Israel, as well.

re: #32 shibumi

They left out JFK.

Surely as a Catholic, he did something offensive to Islam.

He did have nuclear missiles positioned in Turkey. I'm sure that made a few islamists happy. Didn't make the ruskies too happy though, as they reciprocated by putting nukes in Cuba.

re: #65 Opinionated

The mistake in Iraq- and elsewhere in the Mideast- is the false belief held by some that Arabs/Islamics are capable of being indoctrinated to rationality and Western standards of freedom.

The other mistake is believing "the Arabs" is a monlithic block of like minded clones.

re: #59 wolfie

That's good news. I don't know how true it is, but some folks I know in the public school system here say that Texas is key in not turning every textbook to the far left. Publishers don't want to lose that market.

We are pretty mean. However, I see "Texas Edition" on a lot of the books, meaning that we are possibly no more than a skipped outpost in the long island-hopping campaign to utter idiocy.

George W. Bush 2001 till now – Thousands of dead and wounded in the invasion and occupation of Iraq, since 2001 to this day.

But wait-I thought Bush has killed MILLIONS of Iraqi citizens. Maybe even tens of millions.

They better check their numbers and get their story straight.

re: #62 mean Gene

Had American Taliban boy (Adam Gadahn) still been alive they probably would have.

Adam wasn't that well-read, He could've compiled a list of video-game atrocities.

re: #64 Yosemite Bill

FYI = My eldest is a history/ education major at Mt Union College here in Ohio.
I discovered that Zinn was the author of the text in use for one of his classes and blew a gasket . My son had no idea who Zinn is and after running a search on him was none too pleased that the entire class had been equally left in the dark as to the radical politics of the author.

It is one of the most commonly assigned texts in colleges today. That tells you how whacked out higher education is now.

re: #19 Last Mohican

I'm sticking by my thesis: Saddam Hussein was one of the best friends the U.S. had in the Middle East. Turning against him at the start of the first Gulf War was our big mistake. We should have just politely told him he couldn't invade Kuwait, back when we had that kind of leverage.

I don't think the ideological front can be won in an Arab Muslim country.

I agree with your last sentence wholeheartedly.

The rest I take issue with. With friends like that--ones that kill entire towns of an ethnic minority with chemical weapons--who needs enemies? Sure, we backed him during the Iran/Iraq war, but the lesser of two evils is still evil. And telling him he couldn't invade Kuwait? Come on, what better way is there to get an impetuous child to do something than to tell him not to? And while we still had that kind of leverage? Still had it? Who freaking invaded his country and overthrew his ass? Is that not leverage?

But I completely agree that the ideological front can't be truly won in a Muslim country. I don't think our government and our populace can grasp the immense cultural differences and win by both our standards and theirs. We've made very good progress in a lot of areas, but until we're ready to take a more cold-hearted stance, and our country is prepared to deal with the consequences of it, we won't completely win. A more cold-hearted stance would be, you fire on us from that house filled with your family, we destroy it right now. No warning, no chance to evacuate. You fire on us from that historic mosque, we destroy it. Right now. No questions, no advance warning.

We have taken the "high road" and fought this war on our terms and traditions without accepting that what we think of as a victory, they, too, see as a victory for themselves.

re: #19 Last Mohican

you gotta be kidding me....

i bet there are some iranians sitting there, watching and thinking back to all the murder committed in their country, by the mullahs after the shah was pushed out.
fck you jimmy, btw.

If the ed. system is as Zombie indicates, then it's Game Over.
Our enemies are too numerous, and too well situated.

re: #72 shibumi

But wait-I thought Bush has killed MILLIONS of Iraqi citizens. Maybe even tens of millions.

They better check their numbers and get their story straight.

I'm surprised they didn't go with Millions as well. But where do they get the 2001 from? I thought the invasion was in 2003?

re: #75 Sarge1984

the guy is wrong 100%

re: #72 shibumi

But wait-I thought Bush has killed MILLIONS of Iraqi citizens. Maybe even tens of millions.

They better check their numbers and get their story straight.

I thought it was billions. Iraq used to be the most populous country in the world!

This is priceless:

Woodrow Wilson 1913-1921 – World War I. Thousands of dead and wounded.

We entered at the end, of course, but curiously missing is FDR, since this outlet would likely blame him for the millions dead in WWII.

Just sayin'

re: #71 OldLineTexan

We are pretty mean. However, I see "Texas Edition" on a lot of the books, meaning that we are possibly no more than a skipped outpost in the long island-hopping campaign to utter idiocy.

I hate to see the "California Editions!"

re: #69 ec marm

He did have nuclear missiles positioned in Turkey. I'm sure that made a few islamists happy. Didn't make the ruskies too happy though, as they reciprocated by putting nukes in Cuba.

Old, obsolete, liquid fueled missiles that were effectively replaced land based Minuteman missiles in the US and sea launched Polaris missiles on subs. So trading them off for getting the Soviet missiles out of Cuba really wasn't a loss.

re: #77 nyc redneck

Iranians who saw the overthrow of the Shah hate Dhimmi Carter for letting Khomeini seize that country

re: #70 Kenneth

The other mistake is believing "the Arabs" is a monlithic block of like minded clones.

If they were a monolithic block they wouldn't be engaged in killing each other when there are no Infidels around.

re: #69 ec marm

He did have nuclear missiles positioned in Turkey. I'm sure that made a few islamists happy. Didn't make the ruskies too happy though, as they reciprocated by putting nukes in Cuba.

Good catch. I knew there was a modern president that could not be guilt free.

As for the Clinton attack, wasn't that the one that hit a baby food factory, or was it an old folks home?

re: #75 Sarge1984

Then what are we to make of the "Sons of Iraq" and Anbar Awakening movements which have turned on the Islamists and are now allies of the US? The US is finally winning the ideological war. This particular TV station is the media outelt of the enemy factions -radical Islamists, very likely funded by Iran.

re: #79 Jimmy the Notable

I'm surprised they didn't go with Millions as well. But where do they get the 2001 from? I thought the invasion was in 2003?

They really meant to say Afghanistan. That started in 2001.

Just a really small detail. Not worth mentioning.

Ronald Reagan 1981-1989 – Supporting the 1982 [sic] Israeli attack on the Iraqi nuclear plant.

1981, but what do facts matter.

re: #88 Kenneth

This particular TV station is the media outelt of the enemy factions -radical Islamists, very likely funded by Iran.

The problem is proving it.

Of course the moonbats won't believe it anyway.

re: #85 winston06

That's the "tell"! Carter was in that video, & only the Iranians are so f*cked up they think Carter is a Yankee imperialist.

I think you pegged it!

re: #90 marjoriemoon

and Reagan didn't support it either in the first place, afaik.

re: #91 The Other Les

The problem is proving it.

Of course the moonbats won't believe it anyway.

Even if they do they'll say, what's so bad about Iran?

re: #91 The Other Les

That's why I want to hear form Iraq the Model...

Kenneth (#52),

There are dozens of TV stations in Iraq. Every political & sectarian group has one. This station is the media outlet for Sunnis Arab Islamist faction. They frequently run interviews with Hamas spokesthugs and "experts" in Islamic law weighing in on topics like suicide bombing and child marriage.

This station is in no way represetative of the majority Iraqi public or media.

Thanks for the background info Kenneth..

Why was Jefferson not included? Wasn't it under his watch that the Marines were founded to fight the First Barbary War?

re: #75 Sarge1984

I just finished reading Michael Yon's book. The impression I got from that is that we are making progress in making the changes to get an ideological 'win' in Iraq. The real responsibility for the change is the Iraqi's themselves and getting beyond the tribes, the corruption, Islam, and Iranian meddling to establish an Arab democracy in the region.

He makes a good case against not only withdrawal but also dropping a hammer on the people of Iraq.

BBIM

re: #87 shibumi

Good catch. I knew there was a modern president that could not be guilt free.

As for the Clinton attack, wasn't that the one that hit a baby food factory, or was it an old folks home?

Kitten ranch, I think.

re: #88 Kenneth

Then what are we to make of the "Sons of Iraq" and Anbar Awakening movements which have turned on the Islamists and are now allies of the US? The US is finally winning the ideological war. This particular TV station is the media outelt of the enemy factions -radical Islamists, very likely funded by Iran.

Do you really believe there will be any organized support of the US when our troops finally depart- notwithstanding how much blood and treasure we leave there.

re: #97 solomonpanting

Why was Jefferson not included? Wasn't it under his watch that the Marines were founded to fight the First Barbary War?

The Marines were founded in 1775, before the Revolutionary War

re: #93 winston06

and Reagan didn't support it either in the first place, afaik.

You're most correct.

Heh, the Americans were also undeniably unprovoked in the Barbary Wars...a point I would think most Islamofascists would concede.

re: #97 solomonpanting

Why was Jefferson not included? Wasn't it under his watch that the Marines were founded to fight the First Barbary War?

Slave Owner. That's a good thing in Islam.

re: #101 Opinionated

You mean by the Iraqis? Yes. The Kurds are very pro-US, some of the Shia are pro-US, and slowly, some of the Sunnis are grudgingly accepting of the US. More importantly, they know only the US will protect them form their neighbours.

Charles,
What an irony that their site is hosted in the US
[Link: www.alrafidain.tv...]
And their hosting company has an Arabic page as well ; they have office in Egypt and Saudi, as their "contact us" page says.
How sad!

re: #85 winston06

Iranians who saw the overthrow of the Shah hate Dhimmi Carter for letting Khomeini seize that country

that's what my persian friend says.
her parents are still there.

re: #101 Opinionated

Do you really believe there will be any organized support of the US when our troops finally depart- notwithstanding how much blood and treasure we leave there.

Read Michael Yon's book and then answer your question.

Granted, it's only one viewpoint - but one developed by a blogger / independent journalist who has been there, seen that, good and bad.

re: #108 nyc redneck

Many Iranians think the US helped Khomenei. But then, they are given to paranoid conspiracy theories.

re: #97 solomonpanting

Islamists are not that smart to read history stuff properly

This bit of video smells of Commie. But that's what you get with freedom of speech, the right to make an ass of yourself.

re: #78 rawmuse

If the ed. system is as Zombie indicates, then it's Game Over.
Our enemies are too numerous, and too well situated.

The situation is not good. It is not hopeless, but it is not good.
Take Howard Zinn's book. The overwhleming majority of historians in academia, including many that assign it, know quite well that it is crap. But no one will dare to speak out against assigning it.
(I'm not talking about part-timers like me w/ no tenure, either. I'm talking about people who have nothing to lose but PC popularity.)

re: #109 Athos

I've ordered Yon's book. I think the man is amazing. I love his writing & his photos.

re: #97 solomonpanting

Why was Jefferson not included? Wasn't it under his watch that the Marines were founded to fight the First Barbary War?

they are embarrassed at the devastating defeat they suffered.

I don't think we can realistically expect to win over the hearts and minds of all Iraqis. We can't do that in our own country. If Moveon.org had produced this commercial the only difference would be that some of their pet presidents would be left off the list. That they can produce something that goes against their governments policies with an "occupying" force in country says more for our success than our failure.

Except for maybe Andrew Jackson (who was really a ruthless guy) none of those actions were meant to oppress or conquer anyone, and many were engaged in to either support others or stop tyrants. Is war a good thing? Of course not, but sometimes it's a necessary thing.

Not the least of which, those Iraqis have some nerve judging others on war, oppression and conquering.

The world is making me very tired, lately.

When they show how many have been murdered in the name of Allah then I'll sit up and say, enough with that shit.

re: #102 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

The Marines were founded in 1775, before the Revolutionary War

Yes. I stand corrected.

Opinionated (#101),

Do you really believe there will be any organized support of the US when our troops finally depart- notwithstanding how much blood and treasure we leave there.

If you're talking about the French, then no.

re: #106 Kenneth

You mean by the Iraqis? Yes. The Kurds are very pro-US, some of the Shia are pro-US, and slowly, some of the Sunnis are grudgingly accepting of the US. More importantly, they know only the US will protect them form their neighbours.

Kurds excepted. They are obviously not Arab.

We can bleed in Iraq for eternity, and still, at eternity plus one day the result will be a typical anti Western Arab country.