and Robert Spencer asks a simple question: why are Islamic advocates opposed to the plan?

Of course, we here know the answer.

Has Dougie Hooper stepped back from the buffet table to offer any comment?

Why Are Islamic Advocates Opposed to Fighting Jihad?

The simplest answer is usually the right one. They want the jihad to win.

That's a great question.

Everything Ms. Myrick proposes doing seems reasonable, which is why it's being looked at as being racist and McCarthy-esque.

All the points sound eminently sensible (for Americans).
And that is who our government employees anwer to, right?
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1. Investigate all military chaplains endorsed by Abdurahman Alamoudi, who was imprisoned for funding a terrorist organization.
2. Investigate all prison chaplains endorsed by Alamoudi.
3. Investigate the selection process of Arabic translators working for the Pentagon and the FBI.
4. Examine the non-profit status of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.
5. Make it an act of sedition or solicitation of treason to preach or publish materials that call for the deaths of Americans.
6. Audit sovereign wealth funds in the United States.
7. Cancel scholarship student visa program with Saudi Arabia until they reform their text books, which she claims preach hatred and violence against non-Muslims.
8. Restrict religious visas for imams who come from countries that don't allow reciprocal visits by non-Muslim clergy.
9. Cancel contracts to train Saudi police and security in U.S. counterterrorism tactics.
10. Block the sale of sensitive military munitions to Saudi Arabia.

The simple answer is that the opponents are Jihadi's.

Because they know that President Bush's "moderate Muslims" will reform Islam.

'Cause they're for such infiltration I conclude.

Why Are Islamic Advocates Opposed to Fighting Jihad?

I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say because they support Islamic terrorism?

Myrick Plan Point 7: “Cancel scholarship student visa program with Saudi Arabia until they reform their text books, which she claims preach hatred and violence against non-Muslims.”

It is demonstrably true that they do. Does Mr. Hough endorse this hatred and violence, or does he for some reason not want non-Muslims to know what Saudis are being taught?

Screw Hough. The problem here is President George Bush and Condi Rice.

We need to get busy shaving all those 'Islamic Advocates' with Occam's razor

4. Examine the non-profit status of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

Dougie, the Hemi-powered crackermobile is coming for you! Better run!

re: #9 Lazarus

Because they know that President Bush's "moderate Muslims" will reform Islam.

All three of them?

Re: Jimmah:

''His actions reward terrorists, lend support and provide legitimacy to their belief that violence will eventually get them what they want,''

Yes, revoke the traitor's visa. I wish he could be impeached retroactively.

Myrick for VP in 2008!

Because in the universal set of mythical creatures only moderate muslims and unicorns would be interested in fighting jihad. They exist in equal numbers.

A moderate muslim is an apostate muslim. Read their book.

re: #18 guzziguy

Genus: Taqiyyalope, distant cousin of the saber toothed jackalope

What would be really interesting to know is, how does the RNC treat her?

They're opposing it because they know congress doesn't have any balls.
If this goes through, it'll be a fly pig moment. A flying pig with balls.

IS RED KEN OUT AS MAYOR OF LONDON?

Maybe! This Boris Johnson cat is a pretty cool shite. A no bull-shit Tory who may resurrect some English pride.

Here's a clip at youtube.

The same reason why vampires don't eat garlic bread.

re: #23 Ornery Ballsack

The same reason why vampires don't eat garlic bread.

Or hang around on a sunny beach.

Why Are Islamic Advocates Opposed to Fighting Jihad?

To get to the other side

Objecting to any of her points specifically would raise uncomfortable questions about [Jabril's] own loyalties and principles.

If I had to guess, I would say that Jibril is just looking for some attention and claiming that something is a 'fear campaign' because the subject matter focuses on one religion is an easy way to get that attention. However, if he's exposed as a terrorist sympathizer or participant, all the better.

Charles will like Boris Johnson as he's an avid cyclist. In the above video he calls out the "marxists and anarchists" living on the English dole. Brilliant. Here's another clip of Johnson pounding some German chap at a CHARITY futbol match!

If he does that kinda of tackle in a CHARITY FUTBOL match, just imagine what the commies have coming! HAHAHAHA!

re: #28 Eric Cartman's Conscience

Charles will like Boris Johnson as he's an avid cyclist. In the above video he calls out the "marxists and anarchists" living on the English dole. Brilliant. Here's another clip of Johnson pounding some German chap at a CHARITY futbol match!

[Link: youtube.com...]

If he does that kinda of tackle in a CHARITY FUTBOL match, just imagine what the commies have coming! HAHAHAHA!

He seems to have momentarily believed himself to be playing American football... heh.

Unfortunately, IIRC Boris doesn't have the most stellar record on fighting dhimmitude.

5. Make it an act of sedition or solicitation of treason to preach or publish materials that call for the deaths of Americans.

It's interesting how in Europe, they want to rid themselves of the "Hate Speech" laws to embrace true free speech, while in the US we want to restrict speech. There should be an equilibrium somewhere.

and Robert Spencer asks a simple question: why are Islamic advocates opposed to the plan?

The answer is obvious...the moderate muslims have the same goal as the Jihadists...just that they are more "moderate"....

As a wise lizard wrote yesterday,

Please ignore the extremism at the heart of the religion.

#29 OR

You're right about his dhimmi problem, but what Englishman doesn't have one. Living in London today he, unfortunately has little choice if he wants to win office. That place is lost to the mosque resulting in waves of East Enders taking off for the hills....or Spain.

Japanese official demoted for 780,000 hits on porn sites

Along with the demotion, he received a 20,000 yen ($190) monthly pay cut, Waki said.

Well, I thought it was funny.

And Boker effen Tov to you!

re: #34 Ben Hur

Japanese official demoted for 780,000 hits on porn sites

Well, I thought it was funny.

And Boker effen Tov to you!

I think the cutoff is 775,000

Myrick Plan Point 5: “Make it an act of sedition or solicitation of treason to preach or publish materials that call for the deaths of Americans.”
Objections, Mr. Hough?
No "Death to America". You would have to cut their tongues out first.

re: #34 Ben Hur

Yeah, i linked to that story in the last thread. Like I said there, my favorite part about the story is that the guy wasn't even fired, just demoted.

Sue Myrick ... I think yellow canary.

''It sounds like your usual laundry list of talking points you can see on anti-Muslim hate sites on the Internet,'' said Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Washington-based Islamic civil rights and advocacy group terror front group and unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land case.

Fixed.

Suck it, Dougie!

re: #23 Ornery Ballsack

The same reason why vampires don't eat garlic bread.

They really miss out.

re: #38 Roger

Sue Myrick ... I think yellow canary.

She's a voice in the wilderness.

5. Make it an act of sedition or solicitation of treason to preach or publish materials that call for the deaths of Americans.

I know what she is saying, but there needs to be some more "lawyer words" in there. Supporting the death penalty of duly convicted murderers shouldn't count, but would the way it is worded now.

Also, there is trash talk to consider. FOAD isn't really a death threat.

Revoke the Tax Exempt Religious Status of any person, group or organization that preaches or publishes material advocating the death of any person not a member of their group or organization.

On Monday he charged that “Myrick's latest attempt at fighting terrorism is nothing more than a fear campaign

The ten step plan is so specific I don't see how it could be misconstrued as an attack against all muslims.
Then again, Mr. Spencer makes it clear that the media will always lend a helping hand in this regard.

Joining Hough at a Monday news conference was Ross Overby, a Democrat hoping to challenge Myrick in the 9th District.

Dhimmicrats sure pick some strange bedfellows.

I don’t know who is more dangerous, the moderate Moslems or their dhimmicrat friends.

Bush my call them the religion of peace, but dhimmicrats can wait to serve their new masters.

Earlier this week, she called for President Jimmy Carter's passport to be revoked because he met with Hamas, a Palestinian group that the U.S. government says supports terrorism.

Lisa, you ignorant slut.

I like this plan, it addresses the specifics. The only issue I have is the strategy. As a bundle, people will find reason to stop one or two of them and kill the whole. Offered up separately they each have a better chance at passage.

re: #22 Eric Cartman's Conscience

It's not official yet - but the betting shops are paying out on bets on Boris already. That means he has won. Drinks all round then!

Peter Phillips's fiancée renounces her Catholic faith so he can keep his place in the Royal succession

Wow.

That's......interesting.

7. Cancel scholarship student visa program with Saudi Arabia until they reform their text books, which she claims preach hatred and violence against non-Muslims.

Just how much are these programs costing us?

re: #37 bosforus

Yeah, i linked to that story in the last thread. Like I said there, my favorite part about the story is that the guy wasn't even fired, just demoted.

Yeah but he's now cleaning latrines in Yokohama...:)...and he's not allowed access to a computer...

What do people think of the idea of contacting this Islamic Center of Charlotte and let them know what we think of their response so far? A good idea? A bad idea?

re: #49 Ben Hur

Peter Phillips's fianc%uFFFDe renounces her Catholic faith so he can keep his place in the Royal succession

Wow.

That's......interesting.

I thought Peter and Zara aren't in the line of succession since their mother elected for them to not have HRH status?.....

re: #51 Dustyvet

Yeah but he's now cleaning latrines in Yokohama...:)...and he's not allowed access to a computer...

Not true. Nobody cleans the latrines in Yokohama. Not at the West gate of the Train Station.

A Telling Comment [John Hood]

Last night, a couple of my staff members were presenting at an anti-tax event in rural North Carolina (believe it or not, there are many important elections going on in our state right now than just the Obama-Clinton slugfest, including a host of local tax referenda). During open discussion later in the event, a young soldier stood up and told the audience that he had just returned from a tour of duty in Iraq. He was proud of his service, and of his unit's accomplishments.

"Then," he said, "I came home and found out we were losing the war."

Ain't it the truth.

re: #6 taxfreekiller

tfk- It's 16 degrees here and snowing, and the wind chill is -1 as I type this, calling for 10-20 inches of global warming.

/I'm ready for spring.

GO NC GOP!

re: #37 bosforus

Yeah, i linked to that story in the last thread. Like I said there, my favorite part about the story is that the guy wasn't even fired, just demoted.

They have unions in Japan?/

re: #52 sffilk

What do people think of the idea of contacting this Islamic Center of Charlotte and let them know what we think of their response so far? A good idea? A bad idea?

As if they're going to listen the complaints of a bunch of infidels?

We're just stray livestock to them.

the assholes here, are into operation 'soft jihad.'
that's their job. but ultimately they are all abt. spreading sharia in any way they can. we need to elect more people like sue myrick. she is intelligent and fearless. she sees the enemy, clearly, for what they are.

re: #34 Ben Hur

Japanese official demoted for 780,000 hits on porn sites

Well, I thought it was funny.

And Boker effen Tov to you!

You mean to say he didn't make his quota of 780,001 hits?

Representative Sue Myrick (R-NC)

...

Isn't she from the party and state that McCain said was 'out of touch with reality' for discussing Obama's link to Rev. Wright (only to waffle and flip flop when Obama said it was ok to.)?

Why.... yes. Yes she is.

re: #51 Dustyvet

Yeah but he's now cleaning latrines in Yokohama...:)...and he's not allowed access to a computer...

That would be 2850 hits on average a day!

Carpal tunnel?

re: #53 Intrepid

I thought Peter and Zara aren't in the line of succession since their mother elected for them to not have HRH status?.....

I was more thinking of the Thou Shalt Not Marry A Catholic angle.

re: #63 Roger

That would be 2850 hits on average a day!

Carpal tunnel?

Both hands? One above on the mouse, and one..OK, I better stop.

re: #49 Ben Hur

Peter Phillips's fianc%uFFFDrenounces her Catholic faith so he can keep his place in the Royal succession

Wow.

That's......interesting.

Had she been a Muslim, I am certain Parliament would have immediately acted to make sure she didn't have to convert.

re: #63 Roger

That would be 2850 hits on average a day!

Carpal tunnel?

apparently they are a little obsessive-compulsive with that refresh button, hoping for updates?

heh.

of course, maybe the site has an auto-refresh thing like drudgereport.

Advocating for Sharia law is sedition. Sharia is the constitution of Saudi Arabia. Sharia calls for the death or enforced humiliation of anyone who will not convert to Islam.

That is sedition, just as surely as it would have been considered sedition to advocate for America to have been placed under the Soviet Constitution during the Cold War.

re: #66 wolfie

Had she been a Muslim, I am certain Parliament would have immediately acted to make sure she didn't have to convert.

well, they wouldn't want to impose or oppress...

*grin*

any shooting plans?

re: #48 chaz

It's not official yet - but the betting shops are paying out on bets on Boris already. That means he has won. Drinks all round then!

Linkie: [Link: timesonline.typepad.com...]

Looks like it will be quite a wait - but the Conservatives are pretty sure that Boris has it in the bag.

As to his perceived dhimmitude - I think once he's in there will be less of it, he needs to get elected first.
He may look and sound like a buffon, but he's in fact an incredibly intelligent bloke, who puts on this clownery in order to hide his intelligence and knowledge behind, so as not to put off normal people ...

I have reduced the plan I advocate to only two points:

1. Don't let any more in.

2. Invite those who are not more American than Islam to leave on the next available boat llift to Shitholistan.

Sorry, but milquetoast half measures have a poor track record against Islam.

re: #68 Pastorius

Advocating for Sharia law is sedition. Sharia is the constitution of Saudi Arabia. Sharia calls for the death or enforced humiliation of anyone who will not convert to Islam.

That is sedition, just as surely as it would have been considered sedition to advocate for America to have been placed under the Soviet Constitution during the Cold War.

Absolutely. There were "enlightened" groups who, of course, thought that it was very wicked of the USA to discriminate against radical subversives, and who opposed those laws. But they were a goofy, self-destructive minority.
Today, unfortunately, they are in power.

re: #55 Kenneth

During open discussion later in the event, a young soldier stood up and told the audience that he had just returned from a tour of duty in Iraq. He was proud of his service, and of his unit's accomplishments.

"Then," he said, "I came home and found out we were losing the war."

The Scouring of the Shire.

re: #69 LanceKates

well, they wouldn't want to impose or oppress...

*grin*

any shooting plans?

Going by myself tomorrow! No son or Mr. Wolf to hold my hand.
I'm a little nervous, but I think I'm going to feel pretty good after I get through it. Just doing it on my own, y'no.

re: #74 wolfie

Going by myself tomorrow! No son or Mr. Wolf to hold my hand.
I'm a little nervous, but I think I'm going to feel pretty good after I get through it. Just doing it on my own, y'no.

I'll be cheering for you.

just remember to keep it pointed downrange and you'll be fine.

Don't feel intimidated. Don't feel nervous. We're proud of you.

re: #17 MandyManners
Hell yes Mandy!
I'm proud to say that she is the member of the House of Representatives representing MY district!
Got a "taped" phone call from her the other day - said "I'm Sue Myrick and I represent you in Congress. If you'd like to hear my views on Islamic Jihad press #1; If you'd like to hear my views on the Economy, press #2; if you'd like to leave a brief message with your name and phone number press #3. If you'd like to do all three, press the "Star" key."
I was astounded that she had such a sophisticated (for a politician, anyway) phone message.
I'm VERY GLAD that she's my Representative.

re: #34 Ben Hur

Japanese official demoted for 780,000 hits on porn sites

Well, I thought it was funny.

And Boker effen Tov to you!

How long would it take to just click & hit 780,000 pron sites?

re: #77 Squirrelguy
If he was in America he'd probably get Workman's compensation for his Carpel Tunnel Syndrome!
I just can't fathom how ANYONE could hit any site that often!

SCHOOL -- 1957 vs. 2007

Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.
1957 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.
2007 - Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark. Charge> them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it.

Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other students.
1957 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by the Principal.
Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2007 - Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability.

Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
1957 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.
2007 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's Mom has affair with psychologist.

Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.
1957 - Mark shares aspirin with Principal out on the smoking dock.
2007 - Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car searched for drugs and weapons.

Scenario: Pedro fails high school English.
1957 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college.
2007 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.

Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a red ant bed.
1957 - Ants die.
2007 - BATF, Homeland Security, FBI called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated, Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.
1957 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2007 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.

Q: Why Are Islamic Advocates Opposed to Fighting Jihad?
A: Because Allah wills it. Don't resist, it'll just make the punishment for resisting hurt worse.

I will not surrender (lan astaslem).