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Who Advised the DHS/State to Ban the Word 'Jihad'?

Fri, May 2, 2008 at 9:47:00 am PDT

The Investigative Project has released the appalling memos from the Department of Homeland Security and the State Department banning the use of words like “jihad” and “mujahideen,” a disturbingly misguided effort to fight a real world problem with fantasy measures. Steven Emerson tried to find out which Muslim groups were consulted by the DHS and influenced their decision—and the DHS refuses to reveal that information. This is not good: Investigative Project Releases Gov’t Memos Curtailing Speech in War on Terror.

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is refusing to identify the “influential Muslim Americans” and “leading U.S.-based scholars and commentators on Islam” who met with Secretary Michael Chertoff in helping shape a softer approach to government lexicon about terrorists and their ideological motivations.

“Our policy is we don’t comment on the Secretary’s private schedule,” spokeswoman Amy Kudwa told the IPT. Nor would she identify any of the participants’ organizational affiliation.

DHS and the State Department’s Counterterrorism Communications Center each issued reports urging government employees to avoid words like “jihad,” “mujahedeen” or any reference to Islam or Muslims, especially in relation to Al Qaeda. The Investigative Project on Terrorism is making the documents available for the first time here and here.

As we reported last week, the memos say a change in language from the U.S. government is needed to win the hearts and minds of moderate Muslims and avoid glamorizing terrorists motivated by religious ideology. “Moderate” is also frowned upon in the memos, though, with “mainstream” or “traditional” suggested as replacements.

Among the recommendations not reported previously:

* “The experts we consulted debated the word ‘liberty,’ but rejected it because many around the world would discount the term as a buzzword for American hegemony.”

* “The fact is that Islam and secular democracy are fully compatible – in fact, they can make each other stronger. Senior officials should emphasize that fact.”

* The USG [U.S. government] should draw the conflict lines not between Islam and the West, but between a dangerous, cult-like network of terrorists and everyone who is in support of global security and progress.

So America, after serving for more than two centuries the sanctuary for huddled masses yearning to breathe free, is being asked to minimize liberty against fanatics bent on a global religious state. The memo doesn’t offer examples to show where Islam and secular democracy have reinforced each other, or explain how Shariah law, the imposition of religion into state affairs, is “fully compatible” with secular democracy.

It is no surprise, however, to see the changes praised by the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC)...

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1 zombie  5/02/08 9:47:52 am reply quote

MPAC, hmmmmm....

the usual suspects.

2 protestshooter  5/02/08 9:48:31 am reply quote

We're screwed.

3 JammieWearingFool  5/02/08 9:49:09 am reply quote

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I feel better now.

4 shibumi  5/02/08 9:49:29 am reply quote
The USG [U.S. government] should draw the conflict lines not between Islam and the West, but between a dangerous, cult-like network of terrorists and everyone who is in support of global security and progress.

Even the most superficial study of Islam, by one who isn't not necessarily that sharpest tack, will indeed prove that jihad is not a dangerous cult-like network of terrorists but is instead an integral part of the religion of Islam.

5 zombie  5/02/08 9:49:46 am reply quote

This is the same principle as the WWII backup to the "Manhattan Project," a top-secret program dubbed the "Brooklyn Project":

If we simply don't say the word "Nazi," they'll just go away!

6 protestshooter  5/02/08 9:50:29 am reply quote

re: #5 zombie

You also have to cover your eyes first.

7 Silhouette  5/02/08 9:50:36 am reply quote
* “The experts we consulted debated the word ‘liberty,’ but rejected it because many around the world would discount the term as a buzzword for American hegemony.”

Oh. My. Word.

Can't talk about freedom because freedom's enemies have convinced everyone it is really slavery.

8 MandyManners  5/02/08 9:50:48 am reply quote

I have a hint: his hands smell like poopy and his name rhymes with it.

9 Ben Hur  5/02/08 9:50:52 am reply quote
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is refusing to identify the “influential Muslim Americans” and “leading U.S.-based scholars and commentators on Islam” who met with Secretary Michael Chertoff in helping shape a softer approach to government lexicon about terrorists and their ideological motivations.

Do you need to know more than that?

10 Honorary Yooper  5/02/08 9:51:25 am reply quote

DHS is quickly turning into a joke. Hell, the airport screeners act like the same folks you used to see working at a piss-poor fast food joint.

11 coquimbojoe  5/02/08 9:52:00 am reply quote

Idiots. Why is it anti-PC to now called a murderous movement/actions by its proper name? Especially when it is the one the perpetrators use?

12 Ben Hur  5/02/08 9:52:01 am reply quote

re: #7 Silhouette

Oh. My. Word.

Can't talk about freedom because freedom's enemies have convinced everyone it is really slavery.


When first translated into Arabic "Democracy," they Arabic word for Anarchy was used.

13 bolivar  5/02/08 9:52:23 am reply quote

The depths we are attempting to kiss jihadi ass never ceases to amaze me. We kiss up to them while they are slitting our throats and we just come back for more.

Why are we doing this? What can we possibly gain from it? Peace with people hellbent on killing the infidels? Some feel-good? WTF is up with this? I pride myself on being able to dig into things to find the root and this eludes me.

14 Lucius Septimius  5/02/08 9:52:46 am reply quote

MPAC? I thought only AIPAC had the power to influence the government like that ...

15 bystander  5/02/08 9:53:05 am reply quote

Yet another feather in our Secretary of State's cap. (rolls eyes)

I am so ready for Mz. Rice to clean our her desk and leave but I do fear that, regardless of who wins the election, we'll go from bad to worse.

>DHS and the State Department’s Counterterrorism Communications Center each issued reports urging government employees to avoid words like “jihad,” “mujahedeen” or any reference to Islam or Muslims, especially in relation to Al Qaeda.

16 wrenchwench  5/02/08 9:53:12 am reply quote
* “The experts we consulted debated the word ‘liberty,’ but rejected it because many around the world would discount the term as a buzzword for American hegemony.”

That's the saddest thing I've read all week.

17 taxfreekiller  5/02/08 9:53:19 am reply quote

TWO PARTY EVIL MONEY CULT

add

STUPID, TWO PARTY EVIL MONEY CULT

or

DUMB ASS , TWO PARTY EVIL MONEY CULT

Facts count up.

18 Honorary Yooper  5/02/08 9:54:13 am reply quote

re: #7 Silhouette

Oh. My. Word.

Can't talk about freedom because freedom's enemies have convinced everyone it is really slavery.

1984 come to life.

19 MJ  5/02/08 9:54:18 am reply quote
American hegemony


Has to be an academic. John Esposito or Karen Armstrong?

20 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  5/02/08 9:54:20 am
21 Ben Hur  5/02/08 9:54:37 am reply quote
DHS and the State Department’s Counterterrorism Communications Center each issued reports urging government employees to avoid words like “jihad,” “mujahedeen” or any reference to Islam or Muslims, especially in relation to Al Qaeda.

Allah forbid we should call them what they call themselves.

22 doppelganglander  5/02/08 9:55:04 am reply quote

I have totally run out of words for the rank idiocy of our State Department and DHS.

23 Maximu§  5/02/08 9:55:11 am reply quote

Shut down the Department of Homeland Security right now, not tomorrow, not Monday...now!

Its been infected with the PC Virus that has infected our entire government.

24 jaunte  5/02/08 9:55:12 am reply quote

Chertoff, thou clay-brained, clotheaded, weedy shinepate.
Haps thy sin's not accidental, but a trade.
I make as good use of thine face as many a man doth of a death's-head.

25 taxfreekiller  5/02/08 9:55:46 am reply quote

So, if this works, how about this,

ban the words "WINTER STORM WARNING"

from the NOAA .

would that help with this

[Link: www.noaa.gov...]

click on active weather alerts,
see, how hurt full those words are

26 bald headed geek  5/02/08 9:57:09 am reply quote

re: #10 Honorary Yooper

DHS is quickly turning long ago turned into a joke. Hell, the airport screeners act like the same folks you used to see working at a piss-poor fast food joint.


There, fixed.........

BHg

27 Intrepid  5/02/08 9:57:29 am reply quote

re: #24 jaunte

Chertoff, thou clay-brained, clotheaded, weedy shinepate.
Haps thy sin's not accidental, but a trade.
I make as good use of thine face as many a man doth of a death's-head.

Isn't that an anagram for "whiney sheep date"?

28 scaramouche  5/02/08 9:57:49 am reply quote

Come Mr. Hegemon,
Make room for sharia.
(Daylight come and me wanna go home.)

29 jaunte  5/02/08 9:58:15 am reply quote

re: #27 Intrepid

Ha! Caught me.

30 Armywife  5/02/08 9:58:18 am reply quote

We used to be proud of being American and everything America stood for. Hegemony indeed.


/hindsight is going to be perfect vision, I'm afraid.

31 MandyManners  5/02/08 9:58:28 am reply quote

re: #10 Honorary Yooper

DHS is quickly turning into a joke. Hell, the airport screeners act like the same folks you used to see working at a piss-poor fast food joint.

Remember the photograph of the babe in the bag who was searching the nun in a wheelchair?

32 Puckster  5/02/08 9:58:47 am reply quote

Daylight's never gonna come if we can't even be precise in our language.

33 taxfreekiller  5/02/08 9:59:22 am reply quote

Much more effective, more useful.

ban Democrats

34 ORD neighbor  5/02/08 9:59:31 am reply quote

DHS. Dhimmi Household Servants.

35 Killgore Trout  5/02/08 9:59:53 am reply quote
“The experts we consulted debated the word ‘liberty,’ but rejected it because many around the world would discount the term as a buzzword for American hegemony.


Heh.

36 Ben Hur  5/02/08 10:01:35 am reply quote

re: #35 Killgore Trout

Heh.

Interesting how a few "experts" can speak for 1.5 BILLION people.

They can't all be stupid.

They can't all think that.

37 Maximu§  5/02/08 10:01:57 am reply quote

WTF happened to that tough talking Cowboy we all heard from after 9/11?

38 storagemanager  5/02/08 10:02:13 am reply quote

You can not defeat an enemy you can not name.

39 haakondahl  5/02/08 10:02:30 am reply quote

DHS. Department of Hovering Sharia

40 Roger  5/02/08 10:03:29 am reply quote

Jihadi's are a subset of Muslims. Take away the fine granularity and we are left with ... Muslims.

41 bald headed geek  5/02/08 10:03:32 am reply quote

Why is anyone surprise by this? This drift towards the dhimmi-oriented State Department policy of appeasing all things Islamofascist-related began several years ago. This is but the latest example of a virus which also has Sec of State Condoleeza Rice comparing Palestinians to Black civil rights activists of the 1950s and 1960s.........

BHG

42 maddogg  5/02/08 10:03:48 am reply quote

Well, I suspect DHS, founded as the cure, has succumbed to the disease. P.C. in the DHS means it has ceased to focus on the objective it was founded to achieve. Its now time to turn out the lights. DHS is just another bloated and ineffective drain on the economy.

I always thought this (founding a DHS) was a mistake, now I know it was.

43 Roger  5/02/08 10:04:19 am reply quote

re: #37 Maximu�

WTF happened to that tough talking Cowboy we all heard from after 9/11?

It will become clear after we see his library and Center.

44 blangwort  5/02/08 10:04:29 am reply quote

So, we can't call it by it's name.

If we can't name it, how can we fight it?

They're fighting the symptom, not the cause!

The Jihad didn't come out of nowhere. It happens because Islam doesn't stand up against it. They tell their adherents to lie and pretend like all is well.

Want to know how the Germans were so "unaware" of what the Nazi's perpetrated? This is how.

Never again, my ass...

45 Maximu§  5/02/08 10:04:44 am reply quote

Its news like this that sends me back into my garage to clean my guns.....

46 taxfreekiller  5/02/08 10:06:01 am reply quote

#37

He is not a real Texan, nor is the Republican Party in Texas any longer made up of real Texans, we have work to do down here, many Democrats moved over when we conservatives started to win the elections as real Texas conservatives and they over powered us in numbers and re-election money, but, give us 4 years and we are in the house cleaning time.

47 ethanxxx  5/02/08 10:07:15 am reply quote

Are we still allowed to refer to them as, Hysterical Self Righteous Book Burning Carpet Chewing Muppet's with Shit for Brains? I know it takes longer, but I do enjoy saying it.

48 LanceKates  5/02/08 10:07:54 am reply quote

In a similar fashion, FEMA promised to get money to small business owners, primarily restaurants, after our ice storm this winter that took out power for a week.

Then, after the requests started coming in, FEMA announced that they decided to not help Oklahoma.

When asked why, they said we needed to send in a formal request.

Formal requests were sent in and after a few months, we were told that they weren't going to say why they decided to not help Oklahoma, and it wasn't any of our business.

49 Ma Sands  5/02/08 10:07:57 am reply quote

re: #10 Honorary Yooper

Was just discussing that as I drove my sister to the airport yesterday......she was telling me some forbidden stuff she --totally inadvertently on her part --found, after she disembarked on previous flights, she had had with her the entire flight.

50 Maximu§  5/02/08 10:08:04 am reply quote

re: #43 Roger

It will become clear after we see his library and Center.

I would bet my next paycheck (minus gas/groceries=$50) that bumbling-Bush's library will be built with Saudi Donations.

51 Ben Hur  5/02/08 10:09:29 am reply quote

THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE!

Dem Operative Asks McCain If He Called His Wife a C*nt ...Update: He Ran Biden's Office- Is an Obama Supporter!

There's video.

Unbelievable.

I'm sorry, but I think Clinton destroyed any ounce of respect that was once held for the office of the presidency.

It all started with the Sax, then Boxers or Briefs?, then, well, you know the rest.

Can you effen imagine someone speaking to Reagan, or any other president in history (except Carter) this way?!?!?!

52 wolfie  5/02/08 10:09:55 am reply quote

Culture of Suicide.

WJBuckley once said he would rather be ruled by the 1st 400 names in the telephone book than by the Harvard faculty.
The situation has deteriorated since he said that.
I would rather be ruled by the residents in our local trailer parks than by our "enlightened" elite. At least they don't want to self-destruct.

53 big L  5/02/08 10:10:07 am reply quote

Michael Savagewas right years gor. He said we'd have to fight the bureaucrats before we'd fight the Islams.
He gets a lot of opprobrium but he was and is correct.
As far as State and DHS---effem both

54 Ward Cleaver  5/02/08 10:10:58 am reply quote

Has Emerson filed a Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) request to get the information? They should be forced to hand it over.

55 dlmcilvain  5/02/08 10:11:27 am reply quote

Well, well that sanitizes things. No more terrorism problem, no jihad. Perhaps they consulted Washington DC on their success of taking care of the gang problem.....no gangs......just "crews"!

56 bunker buster  5/02/08 10:11:28 am reply quote

I wonder if they've made a FOIA request for the information. That could get very interesting.

57 Orbit Rain  5/02/08 10:11:35 am reply quote

...more evidence that there are a bunch of ignorant jackasses that need to lose their jobs...their sweet benefits, oh so secure government jobs...

Let's stop using the word "freedom" too, since it's obviously in conflict with the word "submission"

Then let's remember that we are endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights, and kill every last one of those that are trying to enslave us...

How about that?

58 LanceKates  5/02/08 10:12:08 am reply quote

re: #54 Ward Cleaver

Has Emerson filed a Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) request to get the information? They should be forced to hand it over.

FOIA isn't as powerful as people think.

If someone doesn't want it released, it is not released (unless it is a list of people with concealed carry permits being released to reporters, so they can publish them in a column)

59 Roger  5/02/08 10:12:26 am reply quote

re: #53 big L

opprobrium sounds like it should be on the periodic chart or in the medicine cabinet!

60 bunker buster  5/02/08 10:12:48 am reply quote

re: #54 Ward Cleaver

Beat me to it...but only by mere seconds!

61 Ward Cleaver  5/02/08 10:13:13 am reply quote

re: #51 Ben Hur

THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE!

Dem Operative Asks McCain If He Called His Wife a C*nt ...Update: He Ran Biden's Office- Is an Obama Supporter!

There's video.

Unbelievable.

I'm sorry, but I think Clinton destroyed any ounce of respect that was once held for the office of the presidency.

It all started with the Sax, then Boxers or Briefs?, then, well, you know the rest.

Can you effen imagine someone speaking to Reagan, or any other president in history (except Carter) this way?!?!?!

That's about the level of class I'd expect from a Democrat.

62 big L  5/02/08 10:13:26 am reply quote

42 maddog- I thought so too. And the name was unfortunate choice from beginning. Sounded too much like der Vaterland Securitat.
/dump it.

63 gman  5/02/08 10:13:40 am reply quote

MPAC ran whining to Chertoff last year as well. Chertoff even visited an MPAC board member's house.

64 Ward Cleaver  5/02/08 10:14:04 am reply quote

re: #60 bunker buster

Beat me to it...but only by mere seconds!

Missed it by that much!

/agent 86

65 wolfie  5/02/08 10:14:07 am reply quote

The left believes in magic.
Say the words and change the world!

66 Roger  5/02/08 10:14:24 am reply quote

re: #50 Maximu§

I would bet my next paycheck (minus gas/groceries=$50) that bumbling-Bush's library will be built with Saudi Donations.

That should be Sue Myrick's eleventh commandment:

11. Thou shalt not take any Saudi money to build your Library.

67 Ward Cleaver  5/02/08 10:14:51 am reply quote

re: #2 protestshooter

We're screwed.

Things are going to get worse before they get better. A lot worse.

68 Ben Hur  5/02/08 10:14:54 am reply quote

Jihadists Kidnap 3 Men in New York City

Angrry jihadists kidnapped 3 Americans and dragged them into the basement of the Masjid At-Taqwa Mosque in Brooklyn for questioning. The imam of this mosque, Siraj Wahaj, appears to have been an unidicted co-conspirator in the first World Trade Center bombing.


Anybody else NOT hear about this?

69 FrogMarch  5/02/08 10:15:20 am reply quote

there is no jihad terrorist threat
there is no jihad terrorist threat
there is no jihad terrorist threat

-Michael Moore

Mind crime!

70 Roger  5/02/08 10:16:45 am reply quote

re: #68 Ben Hur

First I heard! How can this be happening?

71 bunker buster  5/02/08 10:17:10 am reply quote

re: #58 LanceKates

FOIA isn't as powerful as people think.

If someone doesn't want it released, it is not released (unless it is a list of people with concealed carry permits being released to reporters, so they can publish them in a column)

Perhaps, but the refusal to release information allows the requestor to take the agency to federal court. Whether the court decides to grant relief or not probably will depend (at least partially) on who appointed the presiding judge...

72 Racer X  5/02/08 10:17:28 am reply quote

re: #51 Ben Hur

Marty is lucky that hothead McCain didn't walk over to him and kick his ass. I'm sure McCain's poll numbers would have risen as a result.

73 Roger  5/02/08 10:19:13 am reply quote

re: #68 Ben Hur

But they are better than the US military. They refrained from barbaric water boarding.

/

74 Kosh's Shadow  5/02/08 10:19:21 am reply quote

re: #15 bystander

Yet another feather in our Secretary of State's cap. (rolls eyes)

Chicken feather or turkey feather?

75 bunker buster  5/02/08 10:19:57 am reply quote

re: #74 Kosh's Shadow

Chicken feather or turkey feather?

Depends. Which one of those comes home to roost, again?

76 ethanxxx  5/02/08 10:21:12 am reply quote

re: #68 Ben Hur

And why has this $#!+hole not been shut down and the proprietors sent off to Club Gitmo for some Water Training?

77 Silhouette  5/02/08 10:21:33 am reply quote

They like the word hegemony because it is more slippery than empire. We can show we aren't imperial with those nasty facts they hate so much, but dominance? How can you prove you aren't an influence when you are. How can one avoiding dominating the world, unintentional or intentional, when you are a force like the US? And I'm not talking military or political.

If 300 million of us suddenly decide we like cotton clothes only, with the amount of wealth we have, the slice of the clothing market we are, don't you think that would affect the whole world? Spread that logic to every single market and product. We can't help it if Baywatch is the number one show in Bananastan. It just is.

78 LanceKates  5/02/08 10:22:22 am reply quote

re: #71 bunker buster

Perhaps, but the refusal to release information allows the requestor to take the agency to federal court. Whether the court decides to grant relief or not probably will depend (at least partially) on who appointed the presiding judge...

It is possible, and if they want to try, go for it.

People, however, really put too much weight on the power of the FOIA.

I work with them on a daily basis. Too many ways for government groups to get around it.

Here's a common example I deal with:

a site in CA is part of a planned development, in which the requirements applicable to the site in terms of setbacks, height, building site area, coverage, parking ,etc.... they're all found on the site plans.

In CA, site plans are guarded by copyright.

FOIA requests mean nothing. They don't send them to you, won't look them up and refuse to give you the information that the FOIA request is for.

79 Silhouette  5/02/08 10:23:16 am reply quote

re: #68 Ben Hur

80 Tumulus11  5/02/08 10:23:47 am reply quote

. Fantasy:

'The experts we consulted debated the word ‘liberty,’ but rejected it because many around the world would discount the term as a buzzword for American hegemony.'

'For example, while Americans may understand "jihad" to mean "holy war," it is in fact a broader Islamic concept of the struggle to do good.
// Memo - Extremist Messaging Branch at the National Counter Terrorism Center, Mar. 2008


. Meets reality:


'Houses and young men must be sacrificed. Throats must be slit and skulls must be shattered. This is the road to victory and to shahada (sacrifice)'.
// Saudi Cleric Aed Al-Qarni on Jihad Dec. 26, 2005

'Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!'
// Patrick Henry, Mar. 23, 1775

81 godfrey  5/02/08 10:25:44 am reply quote

This is part of an international strategy consistent with the recommendations of the Quilliam Foundation. Look it up. To some people, their point of view has been very persuasive. The basic idea is to encourage young Muslim men to doubt that violent jihad and "Islam" are closely connected. The more doubt, the fewer incentives to decisive action. It's designed to work on Western Muslims, who tend to be better educated and more friendly to pluralism that their ME counterparts.

I don't agree this approach is a giant slayer, and obviously it's designed to preserve Islam for future centuries.

82 LanceKates  5/02/08 10:26:57 am reply quote

re: #79 Silhouette

I read it several days ago, in the links at the top. But when it didn't make its own thread, I wondered if it was just rumor.

So, it is ok to drag guys taking pictures of a mosque into the basement and question them and intimidate them and hold them against their will......

but evil to question question muslims who follow a similar pattern to the 9/11 hijackers (the 'flying imam' story )

83 bald headed geek  5/02/08 10:27:05 am reply quote

re: #32 Puckster

It's not a question of not being able to be precise in our language. Rather, it's a conscious decision to not call things what they are.

BHG

84 Kosh's Shadow  5/02/08 10:27:22 am reply quote

If we're going to kiss $audi a$$ like this, the least they could do is give us 0.50/gal gas.

85 Ward Cleaver  5/02/08 10:29:11 am reply quote

re: #84 Kosh's Shadow

If we're going to kiss $audi a$$ like this, the least they could do is give us 0.50/gal gas.

No shit.

86 Roger  5/02/08 10:29:32 am reply quote

re: #82 LanceKates

Looks like some mosques/military outpost would be easy to set up.

87 LanceKates  5/02/08 10:30:42 am reply quote

re: #86 Roger

works that way in Iraq. Mosques, schools, hospitals... that's where the scum hides, knowing we won't bomb it, for fear of the PR mess that the military would face in the United States.

88 bunker buster  5/02/08 10:31:29 am reply quote

News like this just further depresses me. Our own government has now become a propaganda organ for the people who most want to kill us.

89 wolfie  5/02/08 10:31:56 am reply quote

re: #77 Silhouette

Well said !

Of course, we could do something about this disgraceful hegemony. If we had a more enlightened leadership that could take control of our market and our consumption, we could make sure the US respected the values embodied in, say, the United Nations. We clearly need a leader who is post-national and who will attend to the needs of the globe as a whole, rather than clinging to the trailer-park arrogance called "patriotism."
Gee. I wonder where we could find such a man?!

90 kulthur  5/02/08 10:33:25 am reply quote

this makes no sense. who gives a crap about offending muslims at all? from a purely governmental standpoint, the muslim vote is nil. from an international relations standpoint, the saudis and jordanians and egyptians and all the rest very godd*mn well *know* what the jihadis intend to do, and in fact probably despise us because we can't even bring ourselves to *name* the thing that they all very godd*mn well know they want to do. if you tell a nazi in perfect pc condescension that he doesn't really want to kill the jews, you think he'll respect you and appreciate you for it? who are these idiots in the government? and what about becoming a rhetorical target for adopting counter-zeitgeist quasi-discriminatory policies? it already *is* that kind of target! wtf!

91 Squirrelguy  5/02/08 10:33:31 am reply quote

re: #3 JammieWearingFool

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I don't.

92 bunker buster  5/02/08 10:33:34 am reply quote

re: #87 LanceKates

works that way in Iraq. Mosques, schools, hospitals... that's where the scum hides, knowing we won't bomb it, for fear of the PR mess that the military would face in the United States.

Kind of like this?

93 wolfie  5/02/08 10:33:58 am reply quote

re: #89 wolfie

Er,.....just in case,...that was sarcastic!
(forgot the tag)

94 LanceKates  5/02/08 10:35:02 am reply quote

re: #92 bunker buster

Kind of like

95 LanceKates  5/02/08 10:35:12 am reply quote

I forgot the /

96 Bunker Buster  5/02/08 10:37:29 am reply quote

re: #94 LanceKates

the important part to note is that the united states is evil for daring to shoot back.

There is no blame to be laid at the feet of the evil jihadists that hide behind such a place.

Oh, well, of course. I mean, it's the US's fault that there are jihadists in the first place. Chickens coming home to ululate and all.

/big time

97 Squirrelguy  5/02/08 10:38:37 am reply quote

re: #10 Honorary Yooper

DHS is quickly turning has turned into a joke. Hell, the airport screeners act like are the same folks you used to see working at a piss-poor fast food joint.

Double fixed.

98 Squirrelguy  5/02/08 10:40:48 am reply quote

re: #74 Kosh's Shadow

Chicken feather or turkey feather?

Turkey, of course.

99 LanceKates  5/02/08 10:42:23 am reply quote

re: #96 Bunker Buster

Oh, well, of course. I mean, it's the US's fault that there are jihadists in the first place. Chickens coming home to ululate and all.

/big time

Well, until we attacked them, there never was islamic terror.

9/11? inside job.

Cole? Accident.

multiple bombings of US embassies? probably the fault of someone else.

In fact, the Barbary pirates? They were amish!

/

100 Cap'n DOC  5/02/08 10:44:32 am reply quote

re: #4 shibumi

Call 'em mohammedans - they'll love you for it.

101 LanceKates  5/02/08 10:46:26 am reply quote

re: #97 Squirrelguy

Double fixed.

In Oklahoma, TSA pays much better than the average job. I think they start at 13 an hour.

I considered it... but I'd hate to have to be associated with the TSA.

102 nyc redneck  5/02/08 10:49:24 am reply quote

re: #54 Ward Cleaver

Has Emerson filed a Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) request to get the information? They should be forced to hand it over.

i'm almost afraid to find out who they are in bed w/.
the fact that they are guarding this info tells you alot.

103 taxfreekiller  5/02/08 10:49:38 am reply quote

Of Note:

Just went down to move the pickup back to main house,

Rush was on the WBAP 820 AM, with Andrew McCarthey

they were talking about this very thing just now,,

McCarthey says its bull shit , and we should call it what it is.

104 Maximu§  5/02/08 10:51:40 am reply quote

I feel like a rape victim thats laying in a dirty alley getting ready for the next round of raping...as the Police stand by looking for speeders.

105 Promethea  5/02/08 10:52:27 am reply quote

re: #87 LanceKates

works that way in Iraq. Mosques, schools, hospitals... that's where the scum hides, knowing we won't bomb it, for fear of the PR mess that the military would face in the United States.

If we checked--raided--bombed mosques, initially this would be a huge PR problem, but ultimately we could move things along much quicker. The Jihadists would know that we know that they use mosques to plan and execute Jihad.

What's the problem? We created our own problem when we got so prissy. Ditto "waterboarding." The government should have said, "if we can't waterboard (since now everyone knows that it's not fatal), we'll do "something" else to get our information. Let the Jihadists worry about what we'd do.

106 FoolsMate  5/02/08 10:53:54 am reply quote

If you believe the fight against militant Islam should use all of the tools in our arsenal--military, economic, diplomatic--this approach has certain advantages for the U.S.. It costs us very little and helps us engage with moderate Muslims while driving a wedge between them and the extremists. The goal is to ultimately isolate the extremist elements, and the overall strategy is not that different than what Petraeus has done effectively in Iraq. A carrot and stick is usually more effective than just a carrot or just a stick, and I think this approach will be more effective in the long-run tha