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Who Advised the DHS/State to Ban the Word 'Jihad'?

Fri, May 2, 2008 at 9:47:00 am PDT

The Investigative Project has released the appalling memos from the Department of Homeland Security and the State Department banning the use of words like “jihad” and “mujahideen,” a disturbingly misguided effort to fight a real world problem with fantasy measures. Steven Emerson tried to find out which Muslim groups were consulted by the DHS and influenced their decision—and the DHS refuses to reveal that information. This is not good: Investigative Project Releases Gov’t Memos Curtailing Speech in War on Terror.

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is refusing to identify the “influential Muslim Americans” and “leading U.S.-based scholars and commentators on Islam” who met with Secretary Michael Chertoff in helping shape a softer approach to government lexicon about terrorists and their ideological motivations.

“Our policy is we don’t comment on the Secretary’s private schedule,” spokeswoman Amy Kudwa told the IPT. Nor would she identify any of the participants’ organizational affiliation.

DHS and the State Department’s Counterterrorism Communications Center each issued reports urging government employees to avoid words like “jihad,” “mujahedeen” or any reference to Islam or Muslims, especially in relation to Al Qaeda. The Investigative Project on Terrorism is making the documents available for the first time here and here.

As we reported last week, the memos say a change in language from the U.S. government is needed to win the hearts and minds of moderate Muslims and avoid glamorizing terrorists motivated by religious ideology. “Moderate” is also frowned upon in the memos, though, with “mainstream” or “traditional” suggested as replacements.

Among the recommendations not reported previously:

* “The experts we consulted debated the word ‘liberty,’ but rejected it because many around the world would discount the term as a buzzword for American hegemony.”

* “The fact is that Islam and secular democracy are fully compatible – in fact, they can make each other stronger. Senior officials should emphasize that fact.”

* The USG [U.S. government] should draw the conflict lines not between Islam and the West, but between a dangerous, cult-like network of terrorists and everyone who is in support of global security and progress.

So America, after serving for more than two centuries the sanctuary for huddled masses yearning to breathe free, is being asked to minimize liberty against fanatics bent on a global religious state. The memo doesn’t offer examples to show where Islam and secular democracy have reinforced each other, or explain how Shariah law, the imposition of religion into state affairs, is “fully compatible” with secular democracy.

It is no surprise, however, to see the changes praised by the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC)...

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1 zombie  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:47:52am

MPAC, hmmmmm....

the usual suspects.

2 protestshooter  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:48:31am

We're screwed.

3 JammieWearingFool  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:49:09am

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I feel better now.

4 shibumi  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:49:29am
The USG [U.S. government] should draw the conflict lines not between Islam and the West, but between a dangerous, cult-like network of terrorists and everyone who is in support of global security and progress.

Even the most superficial study of Islam, by one who isn't not necessarily that sharpest tack, will indeed prove that jihad is not a dangerous cult-like network of terrorists but is instead an integral part of the religion of Islam.

5 zombie  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:49:46am

This is the same principle as the WWII backup to the "Manhattan Project," a top-secret program dubbed the "Brooklyn Project":

If we simply don't say the word "Nazi," they'll just go away!

6 protestshooter  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:50:29am

re: #5 zombie

You also have to cover your eyes first.

7 Silhouette  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:50:36am
* “The experts we consulted debated the word ‘liberty,’ but rejected it because many around the world would discount the term as a buzzword for American hegemony.”

Oh. My. Word.

Can't talk about freedom because freedom's enemies have convinced everyone it is really slavery.

8 MandyManners  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:50:48am

I have a hint: his hands smell like poopy and his name rhymes with it.

9 Ben Hur  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:50:52am
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is refusing to identify the “influential Muslim Americans” and “leading U.S.-based scholars and commentators on Islam” who met with Secretary Michael Chertoff in helping shape a softer approach to government lexicon about terrorists and their ideological motivations.

Do you need to know more than that?

10 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:51:25am

DHS is quickly turning into a joke. Hell, the airport screeners act like the same folks you used to see working at a piss-poor fast food joint.

11 coquimbojoe  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:52:00am

Idiots. Why is it anti-PC to now called a murderous movement/actions by its proper name? Especially when it is the one the perpetrators use?

12 Ben Hur  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:52:01am

re: #7 Silhouette

Oh. My. Word.

Can't talk about freedom because freedom's enemies have convinced everyone it is really slavery.


When first translated into Arabic "Democracy," they Arabic word for Anarchy was used.

13 bolivar  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:52:23am

The depths we are attempting to kiss jihadi ass never ceases to amaze me. We kiss up to them while they are slitting our throats and we just come back for more.

Why are we doing this? What can we possibly gain from it? Peace with people hellbent on killing the infidels? Some feel-good? WTF is up with this? I pride myself on being able to dig into things to find the root and this eludes me.

14 Lucius Septimius  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:52:46am

MPAC? I thought only AIPAC had the power to influence the government like that ...

15 bystander  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:53:05am

Yet another feather in our Secretary of State's cap. (rolls eyes)

I am so ready for Mz. Rice to clean our her desk and leave but I do fear that, regardless of who wins the election, we'll go from bad to worse.

>DHS and the State Department’s Counterterrorism Communications Center each issued reports urging government employees to avoid words like “jihad,” “mujahedeen” or any reference to Islam or Muslims, especially in relation to Al Qaeda.

16 wrenchwench  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:53:12am
* “The experts we consulted debated the word ‘liberty,’ but rejected it because many around the world would discount the term as a buzzword for American hegemony.”

That's the saddest thing I've read all week.

17 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:53:19am
18 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:54:13am

re: #7 Silhouette

Oh. My. Word.

Can't talk about freedom because freedom's enemies have convinced everyone it is really slavery.

1984 come to life.

19 MJ  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:54:18am
American hegemony


Has to be an academic. John Esposito or Karen Armstrong?

20 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:54:20am
21 Ben Hur  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:54:37am
DHS and the State Department’s Counterterrorism Communications Center each issued reports urging government employees to avoid words like “jihad,” “mujahedeen” or any reference to Islam or Muslims, especially in relation to Al Qaeda.

Allah forbid we should call them what they call themselves.

22 doppelganglander  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:55:04am

I have totally run out of words for the rank idiocy of our State Department and DHS.

23 Maximu§  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:55:11am

Shut down the Department of Homeland Security right now, not tomorrow, not Monday...now!

Its been infected with the PC Virus that has infected our entire government.

24 jaunte  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:55:12am

Chertoff, thou clay-brained, clotheaded, weedy shinepate.
Haps thy sin's not accidental, but a trade.
I make as good use of thine face as many a man doth of a death's-head.

25 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:55:46am
26 bald headed geek  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:57:09am

re: #10 Honorary Yooper

DHS is quickly turning long ago turned into a joke. Hell, the airport screeners act like the same folks you used to see working at a piss-poor fast food joint.


There, fixed.........

BHg

27 Intrepid  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:57:29am

re: #24 jaunte

Chertoff, thou clay-brained, clotheaded, weedy shinepate.
Haps thy sin's not accidental, but a trade.
I make as good use of thine face as many a man doth of a death's-head.

Isn't that an anagram for "whiney sheep date"?

28 scaramouche  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:57:49am

Come Mr. Hegemon,
Make room for sharia.
(Daylight come and me wanna go home.)

29 jaunte  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:58:15am

re: #27 Intrepid

Ha! Caught me.

30 Armywife  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:58:18am

We used to be proud of being American and everything America stood for. Hegemony indeed.


/hindsight is going to be perfect vision, I'm afraid.

31 MandyManners  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:58:28am

re: #10 Honorary Yooper

DHS is quickly turning into a joke. Hell, the airport screeners act like the same folks you used to see working at a piss-poor fast food joint.

Remember the photograph of the babe in the bag who was searching the nun in a wheelchair?

32 Puckster  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:58:47am

Daylight's never gonna come if we can't even be precise in our language.

33 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:59:22am
34 ORD neighbor  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:59:31am

DHS. Dhimmi Household Servants.

35 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 2, 2008 9:59:53am
“The experts we consulted debated the word ‘liberty,’ but rejected it because many around the world would discount the term as a buzzword for American hegemony.


Heh.

36 Ben Hur  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:01:35am

re: #35 Killgore Trout

Heh.

Interesting how a few "experts" can speak for 1.5 BILLION people.

They can't all be stupid.

They can't all think that.

37 Maximu§  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:01:57am

WTF happened to that tough talking Cowboy we all heard from after 9/11?

38 storagemanager  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:02:13am

You can not defeat an enemy you can not name.

39 haakondahl  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:02:30am

DHS. Department of Hovering Sharia

40 Roger  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:03:29am

Jihadi's are a subset of Muslims. Take away the fine granularity and we are left with ... Muslims.

41 bald headed geek  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:03:32am

Why is anyone surprise by this? This drift towards the dhimmi-oriented State Department policy of appeasing all things Islamofascist-related began several years ago. This is but the latest example of a virus which also has Sec of State Condoleeza Rice comparing Palestinians to Black civil rights activists of the 1950s and 1960s.........

BHG

42 maddogg  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:03:48am

Well, I suspect DHS, founded as the cure, has succumbed to the disease. P.C. in the DHS means it has ceased to focus on the objective it was founded to achieve. Its now time to turn out the lights. DHS is just another bloated and ineffective drain on the economy.

I always thought this (founding a DHS) was a mistake, now I know it was.

43 Roger  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:04:19am

re: #37 Maximu%uFFFD

WTF happened to that tough talking Cowboy we all heard from after 9/11?

It will become clear after we see his library and Center.

44 blangwort  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:04:29am

So, we can't call it by it's name.

If we can't name it, how can we fight it?

They're fighting the symptom, not the cause!

The Jihad didn't come out of nowhere. It happens because Islam doesn't stand up against it. They tell their adherents to lie and pretend like all is well.

Want to know how the Germans were so "unaware" of what the Nazi's perpetrated? This is how.

Never again, my ass...

45 Maximu§  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:04:44am

Its news like this that sends me back into my garage to clean my guns.....

46 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:06:01am
47 ethanxxx  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:07:15am

Are we still allowed to refer to them as, Hysterical Self Righteous Book Burning Carpet Chewing Muppet's with Shit for Brains? I know it takes longer, but I do enjoy saying it.

48 LanceKates  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:07:54am

In a similar fashion, FEMA promised to get money to small business owners, primarily restaurants, after our ice storm this winter that took out power for a week.

Then, after the requests started coming in, FEMA announced that they decided to not help Oklahoma.

When asked why, they said we needed to send in a formal request.

Formal requests were sent in and after a few months, we were told that they weren't going to say why they decided to not help Oklahoma, and it wasn't any of our business.

49 Ma Sands  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:07:57am

re: #10 Honorary Yooper

Was just discussing that as I drove my sister to the airport yesterday......she was telling me some forbidden stuff she --totally inadvertently on her part --found, after she disembarked on previous flights, she had had with her the entire flight.

50 Maximu§  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:08:04am

re: #43 Roger

It will become clear after we see his library and Center.

I would bet my next paycheck (minus gas/groceries=$50) that bumbling-Bush's library will be built with Saudi Donations.

51 Ben Hur  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:09:29am

THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE!

Dem Operative Asks McCain If He Called His Wife a C*nt ...Update: He Ran Biden's Office- Is an Obama Supporter!

There's video.

Unbelievable.

I'm sorry, but I think Clinton destroyed any ounce of respect that was once held for the office of the presidency.

It all started with the Sax, then Boxers or Briefs?, then, well, you know the rest.

Can you effen imagine someone speaking to Reagan, or any other president in history (except Carter) this way?!?!?!

52 wolfie  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:09:55am

Culture of Suicide.

WJBuckley once said he would rather be ruled by the 1st 400 names in the telephone book than by the Harvard faculty.
The situation has deteriorated since he said that.
I would rather be ruled by the residents in our local trailer parks than by our "enlightened" elite. At least they don't want to self-destruct.

53 big L  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:10:07am

Michael Savagewas right years gor. He said we'd have to fight the bureaucrats before we'd fight the Islams.
He gets a lot of opprobrium but he was and is correct.
As far as State and DHS---effem both

54 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:10:58am

Has Emerson filed a Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) request to get the information? They should be forced to hand it over.

55 dlmcilvain  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:11:27am

Well, well that sanitizes things. No more terrorism problem, no jihad. Perhaps they consulted Washington DC on their success of taking care of the gang problem.....no gangs......just "crews"!

56 bunker buster  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:11:28am

I wonder if they've made a FOIA request for the information. That could get very interesting.

57 Orbit Rain  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:11:35am

...more evidence that there are a bunch of ignorant jackasses that need to lose their jobs...their sweet benefits, oh so secure government jobs...

Let's stop using the word "freedom" too, since it's obviously in conflict with the word "submission"

Then let's remember that we are endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights, and kill every last one of those that are trying to enslave us...

How about that?

58 LanceKates  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:12:08am

re: #54 Ward Cleaver

Has Emerson filed a Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) request to get the information? They should be forced to hand it over.

FOIA isn't as powerful as people think.

If someone doesn't want it released, it is not released (unless it is a list of people with concealed carry permits being released to reporters, so they can publish them in a column)

59 Roger  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:12:26am

re: #53 big L

opprobrium sounds like it should be on the periodic chart or in the medicine cabinet!

60 bunker buster  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:12:48am

re: #54 Ward Cleaver

Beat me to it...but only by mere seconds!

61 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:13:13am

re: #51 Ben Hur

THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE!

Dem Operative Asks McCain If He Called His Wife a C*nt ...Update: He Ran Biden's Office- Is an Obama Supporter!

There's video.

Unbelievable.

I'm sorry, but I think Clinton destroyed any ounce of respect that was once held for the office of the presidency.

It all started with the Sax, then Boxers or Briefs?, then, well, you know the rest.

Can you effen imagine someone speaking to Reagan, or any other president in history (except Carter) this way?!?!?!

That's about the level of class I'd expect from a Democrat.

62 big L  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:13:26am

42 maddog- I thought so too. And the name was unfortunate choice from beginning. Sounded too much like der Vaterland Securitat.
/dump it.

63 gman  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:13:40am

MPAC ran whining to Chertoff last year as well. Chertoff even visited an MPAC board member's house.

64 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:14:04am

re: #60 bunker buster

Beat me to it...but only by mere seconds!

Missed it by that much!

/agent 86

65 wolfie  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:14:07am

The left believes in magic.
Say the words and change the world!

66 Roger  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:14:24am

re: #50 Maximu§

I would bet my next paycheck (minus gas/groceries=$50) that bumbling-Bush's library will be built with Saudi Donations.

That should be Sue Myrick's eleventh commandment:

11. Thou shalt not take any Saudi money to build your Library.

67 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:14:51am

re: #2 protestshooter

We're screwed.

Things are going to get worse before they get better. A lot worse.

68 Ben Hur  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:14:54am

Jihadists Kidnap 3 Men in New York City

Angrry jihadists kidnapped 3 Americans and dragged them into the basement of the Masjid At-Taqwa Mosque in Brooklyn for questioning. The imam of this mosque, Siraj Wahaj, appears to have been an unidicted co-conspirator in the first World Trade Center bombing.


Anybody else NOT hear about this?

69 FrogMarch  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:15:20am

there is no jihad terrorist threat
there is no jihad terrorist threat
there is no jihad terrorist threat

-Michael Moore

Mind crime!

70 Roger  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:16:45am

re: #68 Ben Hur

First I heard! How can this be happening?

71 bunker buster  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:17:10am

re: #58 LanceKates

FOIA isn't as powerful as people think.

If someone doesn't want it released, it is not released (unless it is a list of people with concealed carry permits being released to reporters, so they can publish them in a column)

Perhaps, but the refusal to release information allows the requestor to take the agency to federal court. Whether the court decides to grant relief or not probably will depend (at least partially) on who appointed the presiding judge...

72 Racer X  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:17:28am

re: #51 Ben Hur

Marty is lucky that hothead McCain didn't walk over to him and kick his ass. I'm sure McCain's poll numbers would have risen as a result.

73 Roger  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:19:13am

re: #68 Ben Hur

But they are better than the US military. They refrained from barbaric water boarding.

/

74 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:19:21am

re: #15 bystander

Yet another feather in our Secretary of State's cap. (rolls eyes)

Chicken feather or turkey feather?

75 bunker buster  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:19:57am

re: #74 Kosh's Shadow

Chicken feather or turkey feather?

Depends. Which one of those comes home to roost, again?

76 ethanxxx  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:21:12am

re: #68 Ben Hur

And why has this $#!+hole not been shut down and the proprietors sent off to Club Gitmo for some Water Training?

77 Silhouette  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:21:33am

They like the word hegemony because it is more slippery than empire. We can show we aren't imperial with those nasty facts they hate so much, but dominance? How can you prove you aren't an influence when you are. How can one avoiding dominating the world, unintentional or intentional, when you are a force like the US? And I'm not talking military or political.

If 300 million of us suddenly decide we like cotton clothes only, with the amount of wealth we have, the slice of the clothing market we are, don't you think that would affect the whole world? Spread that logic to every single market and product. We can't help it if Baywatch is the number one show in Bananastan. It just is.

78 LanceKates  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:22:22am

re: #71 bunker buster

Perhaps, but the refusal to release information allows the requestor to take the agency to federal court. Whether the court decides to grant relief or not probably will depend (at least partially) on who appointed the presiding judge...

It is possible, and if they want to try, go for it.

People, however, really put too much weight on the power of the FOIA.

I work with them on a daily basis. Too many ways for government groups to get around it.

Here's a common example I deal with:

a site in CA is part of a planned development, in which the requirements applicable to the site in terms of setbacks, height, building site area, coverage, parking ,etc.... they're all found on the site plans.

In CA, site plans are guarded by copyright.

FOIA requests mean nothing. They don't send them to you, won't look them up and refuse to give you the information that the FOIA request is for.

79 Silhouette  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:23:16am

re: #68 Ben Hur

Jihadists Kidnap 3 Men in New York City


Anybody else NOT hear about this?

I read it several days ago, in the links at the top. But when it didn't make its own thread, I wondered if it was just rumor.

80 Tumulus11  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:23:47am

. Fantasy:

'The experts we consulted debated the word ‘liberty,’ but rejected it because many around the world would discount the term as a buzzword for American hegemony.'

'For example, while Americans may understand "jihad" to mean "holy war," it is in fact a broader Islamic concept of the struggle to do good.
// Memo - Extremist Messaging Branch at the National Counter Terrorism Center, Mar. 2008


. Meets reality:


'Houses and young men must be sacrificed. Throats must be slit and skulls must be shattered. This is the road to victory and to shahada (sacrifice)'.
// Saudi Cleric Aed Al-Qarni on Jihad Dec. 26, 2005

'Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!'
// Patrick Henry, Mar. 23, 1775

81 godfrey  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:25:44am

This is part of an international strategy consistent with the recommendations of the Quilliam Foundation. Look it up. To some people, their point of view has been very persuasive. The basic idea is to encourage young Muslim men to doubt that violent jihad and "Islam" are closely connected. The more doubt, the fewer incentives to decisive action. It's designed to work on Western Muslims, who tend to be better educated and more friendly to pluralism that their ME counterparts.

I don't agree this approach is a giant slayer, and obviously it's designed to preserve Islam for future centuries.

82 LanceKates  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:26:57am

re: #79 Silhouette

I read it several days ago, in the links at the top. But when it didn't make its own thread, I wondered if it was just rumor.

So, it is ok to drag guys taking pictures of a mosque into the basement and question them and intimidate them and hold them against their will......

but evil to question question muslims who follow a similar pattern to the 9/11 hijackers (the 'flying imam' story )

83 bald headed geek  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:27:05am

re: #32 Puckster

It's not a question of not being able to be precise in our language. Rather, it's a conscious decision to not call things what they are.

BHG

84 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:27:22am

If we're going to kiss $audi a$$ like this, the least they could do is give us 0.50/gal gas.

85 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:29:11am

re: #84 Kosh's Shadow

If we're going to kiss $audi a$$ like this, the least they could do is give us 0.50/gal gas.

No shit.

86 Roger  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:29:32am

re: #82 LanceKates

Looks like some mosques/military outpost would be easy to set up.

87 LanceKates  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:30:42am

re: #86 Roger

works that way in Iraq. Mosques, schools, hospitals... that's where the scum hides, knowing we won't bomb it, for fear of the PR mess that the military would face in the United States.

88 bunker buster  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:31:29am

News like this just further depresses me. Our own government has now become a propaganda organ for the people who most want to kill us.

89 wolfie  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:31:56am

re: #77 Silhouette

Well said !

Of course, we could do something about this disgraceful hegemony. If we had a more enlightened leadership that could take control of our market and our consumption, we could make sure the US respected the values embodied in, say, the United Nations. We clearly need a leader who is post-national and who will attend to the needs of the globe as a whole, rather than clinging to the trailer-park arrogance called "patriotism."
Gee. I wonder where we could find such a man?!

90 kulthur  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:33:25am

this makes no sense. who gives a crap about offending muslims at all? from a purely governmental standpoint, the muslim vote is nil. from an international relations standpoint, the saudis and jordanians and egyptians and all the rest very godd*mn well *know* what the jihadis intend to do, and in fact probably despise us because we can't even bring ourselves to *name* the thing that they all very godd*mn well know they want to do. if you tell a nazi in perfect pc condescension that he doesn't really want to kill the jews, you think he'll respect you and appreciate you for it? who are these idiots in the government? and what about becoming a rhetorical target for adopting counter-zeitgeist quasi-discriminatory policies? it already *is* that kind of target! wtf!

91 Squirrelguy  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:33:31am

re: #3 JammieWearingFool

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I don't.

92 bunker buster  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:33:34am

re: #87 LanceKates

works that way in Iraq. Mosques, schools, hospitals... that's where the scum hides, knowing we won't bomb it, for fear of the PR mess that the military would face in the United States.

Kind of like this?

93 wolfie  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:33:58am

re: #89 wolfie

Er,.....just in case,...that was sarcastic!
(forgot the tag)

94 LanceKates  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:35:02am

re: #92 bunker buster

Kind of like this?

the important part to note is that the united states is evil for daring to shoot back.

There is no blame to be laid at the feet of the evil jihadists that hide behind such a place.

95 LanceKates  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:35:12am

I forgot the /

96 Bunker Buster  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:37:29am

re: #94 LanceKates

the important part to note is that the united states is evil for daring to shoot back.

There is no blame to be laid at the feet of the evil jihadists that hide behind such a place.

Oh, well, of course. I mean, it's the US's fault that there are jihadists in the first place. Chickens coming home to ululate and all.

/big time

97 Squirrelguy  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:38:37am

re: #10 Honorary Yooper

DHS is quickly turning has turned into a joke. Hell, the airport screeners act like are the same folks you used to see working at a piss-poor fast food joint.

Double fixed.

98 Squirrelguy  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:40:48am

re: #74 Kosh's Shadow

Chicken feather or turkey feather?

Turkey, of course.

99 LanceKates  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:42:23am

re: #96 Bunker Buster

Oh, well, of course. I mean, it's the US's fault that there are jihadists in the first place. Chickens coming home to ululate and all.

/big time

Well, until we attacked them, there never was islamic terror.

9/11? inside job.

Cole? Accident.

multiple bombings of US embassies? probably the fault of someone else.

In fact, the Barbary pirates? They were amish!

/

100 Cap'n DOC  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:44:32am

re: #4 shibumi

Call 'em mohammedans - they'll love you for it.

101 LanceKates  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:46:26am

re: #97 Squirrelguy

Double fixed.

In Oklahoma, TSA pays much better than the average job. I think they start at 13 an hour.

I considered it... but I'd hate to have to be associated with the TSA.

102 nyc redneck  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:49:24am

re: #54 Ward Cleaver

Has Emerson filed a Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) request to get the information? They should be forced to hand it over.

i'm almost afraid to find out who they are in bed w/.
the fact that they are guarding this info tells you alot.

103 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:49:38am
104 Maximu§  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:51:40am

I feel like a rape victim thats laying in a dirty alley getting ready for the next round of raping...as the Police stand by looking for speeders.

105 Promethea  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:52:27am

re: #87 LanceKates

works that way in Iraq. Mosques, schools, hospitals... that's where the scum hides, knowing we won't bomb it, for fear of the PR mess that the military would face in the United States.

If we checked--raided--bombed mosques, initially this would be a huge PR problem, but ultimately we could move things along much quicker. The Jihadists would know that we know that they use mosques to plan and execute Jihad.

What's the problem? We created our own problem when we got so prissy. Ditto "waterboarding." The government should have said, "if we can't waterboard (since now everyone knows that it's not fatal), we'll do "something" else to get our information. Let the Jihadists worry about what we'd do.

106 FoolsMate  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:53:54am

If you believe the fight against militant Islam should use all of the tools in our arsenal--military, economic, diplomatic--this approach has certain advantages for the U.S.. It costs us very little and helps us engage with moderate Muslims while driving a wedge between them and the extremists. The goal is to ultimately isolate the extremist elements, and the overall strategy is not that different than what Petraeus has done effectively in Iraq. A carrot and stick is usually more effective than just a carrot or just a stick, and I think this approach will be more effective in the long-run than a pure military approach playing whack-a-mole with AlQaeda wherever it pops up.

107 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:54:40am

re: #100 Cap'n DOC

Call 'em mohammedans - they'll love you for it.

I thought we were supposed to call them "Master"
/do I need to?

108 fj1200  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:55:27am

Let's define traditional

it's an adjective meaning the way it was originally. (roughly speaking)

and if we take a look at the Koran, the 'traditional' views expressed there are that all muslims are required by words from their God and their prophet Mohammed (piss be upon him) to either kill or convert all non-muslims.... So is that how the DHS really wants us to portray jihadis/mujahadeen/all other muslims... ?

109 LanceKates  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:57:12am

re: #105 Promethea

If we checked--raided--bombed mosques, initially this would be a huge PR problem, but ultimately we could move things along much quicker. The Jihadists would know that we know that they use mosques to plan and execute Jihad.

What's the problem? We created our own problem when we got so prissy. Ditto "waterboarding." The government should have said, "if we can't waterboard (since now everyone knows that it's not fatal), we'll do "something" else to get our information. Let the Jihadists worry about what we'd do.

I blame the liberals. I have ever since Vietnam.

Well, I should clarify that. I wasn't around then, being born in 79. I blame the Democrats and liberals for doing that SINCE Vietnam.

They start out from a position of ranting about how evil and mean war is, and they won't shut up until we lose.

110 libertexian  Fri, May 2, 2008 10:57:29am
...the memos say a change in language from the U.S. government is needed to win the hearts and minds of moderate Muslims and avoid glamorizing terrorists motivated by religious ideology. “Moderate” is also frowned upon in the memos, though, with “mainstream” or “traditional” suggested as replacements.

Large fascist terroristic jihadist load of crap dropped in the cess pool of Washington DC. Translated it means we want to use nice words so Americans will more readily accept Al Qaeda when she comes knocking again. These people care no more for 'moderate' muslims than OBL cares for Britney 'flappin lips in the wind' Spears.

That swamp in DC needs to be shut down and everyone sent home. Effing pathetic.

111 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, May 2, 2008 11:09:24am
112 nyc redneck  Fri, May 2, 2008 11:23:22am

one reason i don't mind paying taxes is that i presume some of the money is going to protect me, my country and my fellow citizens. when the gov't engages in this kind of obvious pc obfuscation, it is so annoying. this move to rename the danger we are facing is silly and dangerous and not a decision that shows strength. it is disappointing to see our gov't grovel before the enemy in the hopes of solving the problem of islamic jihad. picking a 'nice' name for terrorism won't make it disappear.

113 Ojoe  Fri, May 2, 2008 11:23:54am

The phrase

“influential Muslim Americans”

bodes ill.

114 Catttt  Fri, May 2, 2008 11:25:34am

I highly recommend that required reading for all State Dept. honchos - heck - everyone - be Why We Left Islam - Former Muslims Speak Out.

By being PC,the SD is making it HARDER for faux Muslims to come clean and quit, for one thing.

The Islamists are already giving the book one-star reviews without reading it. As one guy in the book says "Merely mentioning your apostasy is sufficient to sow the seeds of doubt in Muslims who find apostasy to be as impossible as diving a number by zero."

115 Catttt  Fri, May 2, 2008 11:27:29am

Charles, one of the latest one-star reviews of Why We Left Islam mentions your name. You are making marks on the Islamists, my man. Well done.

116 Maximu§  Fri, May 2, 2008 11:28:03am

Back to work for me......gotta keep my wife in the Lap-O-Luxury.

117 ciaospirit  Fri, May 2, 2008 11:28:26am
the memos say a change in language from the U.S. government is needed to win the hearts and minds

"Grab 'em by the balls. Their hearts and minds will follow."

I'm with LBJ on that one.

118 Rednek  Fri, May 2, 2008 12:50:32pm

There is a video on Hot Air of Bush in a recent press conference where he specifically used the word "Jihadist" with special emphasis in his tone of voice.

119 Tazzerman  Fri, May 2, 2008 12:56:35pm

But yet no one has any problem equating Zionism with Naziism or Jews with the so called Pali holocaust or nekba or Carters aparthied statement or any number of other slurs against the Jewish people.

Heaven FORBID that we should point out the fact that while certainly all muslims are not terrorists, the vast marjority of terrorists ARE muslims and that spreading shariia law and creating a new caliphate via jihad are MAJOR tennants of this so-called religion.

Now we're not allowed to use the word LIBERTY because it's a "buzzword for American hegemony"

Give me LIBERTY or give me death!

120 Tangonine  Fri, May 2, 2008 1:09:15pm
* “The experts we consulted debated the word ‘liberty,’ but rejected it because many around the world would discount the term as a buzzword for American hegemony.”

I think that statement right there gives me the right to punch the first DHS employee I see right in the face.

121 littleben  Fri, May 2, 2008 1:49:43pm

Reminds me of an old joke (really old).

A Jew in Italy is converted by the local priest. He sprinkles him three times with holy water and says three times" your a Catholic, not a Jew."

The Jew is not a sincere convert, and the Priest catches him eating meat on Friday night ( a no-no in those days). AHA, the priest exclaims. "you're eating meat on Friday night." No responds the Jew," I am eating fish." The Priest insists that it is meat.The Jew responds, " no, no, I sprinkled this three times and said, Its meat, not fish".

Repeat after me three times; its terror, not Jihad, terror not Jihad, terror, not Jihad.

Repeat after me three times; DHS and State are patriots, not morons, patriots not morons, patriots, not morons.

122 Bill Shears  Fri, May 2, 2008 1:58:50pm

The stuff surrender is made of.

123 jeffreyimm  Fri, May 2, 2008 2:20:01pm

The guidelines were also praised by the Muslim Brotherhood-founded Muslim American Society (MAS):
[Link: www.masnet.org...]

124 jeffreyimm  Fri, May 2, 2008 2:20:33pm

I also have an article on this at:
[Link: counterterrorismblog.org...]

125 stevieray  Fri, May 2, 2008 3:15:22pm

I am glad I saw this as I was heading back to work... if I had time to comment then, I would have ended up banned.

I had all afternoon to simmer down about this colossal display of Allahdick slurping dhimmitude, and I think I figured out what is going on... when I find a way to put it into words, I will.

126 DockScience  Fri, May 2, 2008 3:26:22pm

This is doubleplus ungood.

What kind of idiot would try to change the language to change the truth?

127 HULUGU  Fri, May 2, 2008 3:44:05pm

its not radical islam thats the problem or terrorists or extremists or salafis--its ORTHODOX ISLAM--these people are originalists and they are RELIGIOUS GANGSTERS and ISLAMIC IMPERIALISTS--ya think

128 the_flying_pig  Fri, May 2, 2008 4:13:06pm

When the Islamists successfully blow up Washington, D.C. in the name of Allah and Islam and the rest of the Muslim world cheer and dance on the streets, how will the idiots at DHS call them at a press conference?

I wish I would be the President of the U.S. so I can fire those DHS idiots and purge latent leftists within the US bureaucracy.

Islam and secular democracy as compatible? My ass.

Hello, DHS? Islam rejects secular democracy.

129 Alone in NY  Sat, May 3, 2008 3:26:19am

This is a great example of why government is awful at pretty much anything it does.

130 stryker  Sat, May 3, 2008 12:24:54pm

LGF should consider those recommendations from the DHS.

Most of the comments on this thread missed the main point of the report. Terrorist organizations recruit foot-soldiers by claiming the west is at war against Islam, so the DHS's strategic recomendation is a campaign to counter that misinformation by deploying new categories of language that are designed to win the hearts and minds of the majority of Muslims.

In the linked documents, the DHS sees the main terrorist threat as demogogues using the pretext of jihad and Islam to sieze political power using terrorist tactics.

The strategic recommendation of the DHS is to divide and conquer: marginalize the terrorist groups as much as possible by not giving them verbal recognition as the representatives of Islam or as [admirable] jihadists, instead focusing on their cult-like extortion tactics, criminal activities, internal corruption, and deviance from "mainstream" Islam.

The strategy is to change what is now 99% of the population into what will be the fringe. For example, "Wouldn't you like to be a 'Pepper' too?" (The category of being "a Pepper" was made up out of nothing, and a cult of people were recruited just by tasting a competing product in the global marketplace.)

Will creating an external distinction where none existed before influence the hearts and minds of Muslims to make an internal distinction between Islam as an internal religion, and Islam as an external war to murder and enslave non-Muslims?

Who knows, but it's a better alternative to the current media fiction of "moderate" terrorists, like Palestinian Authority President Abu Mazen.

The main advantage of democracy over autocracy is being able to offer freedom of choice. Muslims now have the option of the designation of being "mainstream": regarding Islam as an internal religion, without supporting terrorist activities and violence against apostates and non-Muslims.

Those who reject living in peace on equal terms of respect with non-Muslim neighbors aren't "mainstream", and with the help of the mainstream (and their own mainstream press) they can be targetted as the fanatic fringe.

If there isn't anyone in the mainstream, it means the fringe is large, but mainstream Islam (even if the set is null) isn't the target, and there is nothing against mainstream Islam. There's an equal opportunity to lose patience with all violent thugs who wage war against their peaceful neighbors, regardless of the religious claims used by terrorist demogogues to incite fringe groups of extremist followers to support violence.

131 jenv  Sat, May 3, 2008 3:35:26pm

re: #130 stryker


The strategic recommendation of the DHS is to divide and conquer: marginalize the terrorist groups as much as possible by not giving them verbal recognition as the representatives of Islam or as [admirable] jihadists, instead focusing on their cult-like extortion tactics, criminal activities, internal corruption, and deviance from "mainstream" Islam.


That would be smart, if what the jihadists do and say was in fact deviant. The problem is, it's not deviant it's normative. The eternal example of Muhammad himself lights the way. Besides which, media in Muslim countries is entirely state-controlled. They paint jihadists as admirable and give US press releases zero airplay.

132 stryker  Sun, May 4, 2008 10:04:47am

re: #131 Jenv

your description of the malady is correct. That's why a smart prescription could help change that description. If the patient is so hopeless that no choice exists other than to give up on the patient's life, the only way to know is by trying alternatives.


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