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Strategic Collapse in the War on Terror

Sun, May 4, 2008 at 11:58:59 am PDT

Here’s a good piece by Joseph Myers at American Thinker, on the misguided, fantasy-minded speech code imposed by the State Department and Department of Homeland Security: Strategic Collapse in the War on Terror.

Recent government policy memoranda, circulating through the national counter-terrorism and diplomatic community, establishes a new “speech code” for the lexicon in the war on terror, as reported by the Associated Press and now available in the public domain .

These new “speech codes” recommended that analysts and policy makers avoid the terms jihad or jihadist or mujhadid or “al-Qaida movement” and replace them with “extremists” and by extension other non-specific terms. 

The use of these “new words” and rejection of the “old words” is ostensibly designed to avoid legitimating al-Qaida and its followers while mollifying the sensitivities of the larger Muslim community.

This culmination of previous trends does not surprise me at all.

This is more than simply dancing on the pinhead of cultural sensitivity—words have meaning, ideas have consequences.

This policy is a strategic collapse.

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1 MandyManners  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:01:51pm

Not calling al-Q a jihadist organization does NOT delegitimize it.

2 psaturn  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:03:04pm

Language is everything...when you say you cannot use the word Jihad...then you lost the war on terror...when the terrorists themselves use the word Jihad when they war against us.

3 AuntAcid  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:03:30pm

Lovely. Just freaking lovely.

4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:03:38pm

One of the simplest rules in a conflict is clearly defining your target. By coming up with various codes and rules for how you talk about it, you obscure the target.

The targets are miltant Islamists, aka Jihadists, and those who support them by action, materials or psychological support. Any attempt to disguise this is counterproductive and/or treasonous.

5 Syrah  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:03:42pm

Newspeaks trumps reality.

6 Render  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:04:20pm

My question still stands...

How are they going to refer to the many Islamic terrorist groups that use those words in their own names?

Do they think that Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Egyptian Islamic Jihad are simply going to cease to exist because their names are no longer spoken by the US State Department?

ORWELLISM,
R

7 haakondahl  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:04:38pm

I am just at a loss for words in my disappointment with this administration. Printable words, anyway.

8 abolitionist  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:04:59pm

DANGEROUS ? The box is clearly labeled D-A-N-G-E-R-O-O-S.

/ Mister Bluster (circa 1953)

9 USA  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:06:15pm

Caroline Glick has been correctly pointing out the folly of this kind of prevarication by US State for years.

10 solomonpanting  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:06:35pm

"..replace them with “extremists...”

I suppose I'm an "extremist" when it comes to wanting to kill terrorists.
That puts me in the same league as jihadists and members of al-Qaida.

11 BabbaZee  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:06:36pm
This is more than simply dancing on the pinhead of cultural sensitivity—words have meaning, ideas have consequences.

This policy is a strategic collapse.

I am not insane, Most Excellent Festus.

WLGF out

12 JammieWearingFool  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:07:36pm

Is insanity still called insanity?

13 Shug  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:08:10pm

Sadly missing from the new Lexicon is the word Victory

14 MandyManners  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:09:26pm

re: #6 Render

My question still stands...

How are they going to refer to the many Islamic terrorist groups that use those words in their own names?

Do they think that Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Egyptian Islamic Jihad are simply going to cease to exist because their names are no longer spoken by the US State Department?

ORWELLISM,
R

Palestinian Rough Boys?

15 bellamags  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:09:43pm

Political correctness will be the death of us.

16 Shay4l  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:09:45pm

I think I understand their rationale, but I think their expectation of the results of this are 180 degrees out of focus.

17 big L  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:09:54pm

Michael Savage said it 3 yrs ago. That we would have to fight the rats, the bureaucrats in the govt, before we could fight the mad islams
/he gets a lot of criticism but Savage was correct on this one It would be greatif m'cain could show some anger towards these creeps and ask for resignations in the first days of a M'Cain Administration. You know, pretend the bureaucrats are conservatives and clean house.

18 Shr_Nfr  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:10:27pm

Before we implement this, we should insist that the "extreme elements" of the "noble cult of the Mo" reciprocate by not calling Jews pigs and apes and the rest of us dirty Kafir. When that happens, then I suppose I could live with this.

19 MandyManners  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:10:52pm

re: #12 JammieWearingFool

Is insanity still called insanity?

Reality-challenged? Different reality?

20 haakondahl  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:10:53pm

The last time I appreciated word games was when an American General said that he had changed the mission from "capture or kill" to "kill or capture" some time last year. "Priorities."

21 jaunte  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:11:07pm

What State Department denizen actually believes in their own lies?

22 godfrey  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:11:08pm

Well, this will do a great job of legitimating Islamic supremacism. What else do they want? State is apparently at their beck and call.

23 BingoBunny  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:11:09pm

President Barrack ? Obama today called on Al Queda recreation club to turn from their inner struggle and accept peace on their terms ..what ever those terms are, with America. He also promised to study the Koran again.

/and its all so easy to get peace on their terms he said.

24 MandyManners  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:12:31pm

re: #21 jaunte

What State Department denizen actually believes in their own lies?

Many. How else could they survive the cognitive dissonance?

25 itellu3times  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:12:57pm

Didn't Rush interview someone on Friday about this? I was only listening with about half an ear, but the guy sounded reasonable. Wrong maybe, but reasonable. I didn't hear Rush's response.

Obviously, it's an attempt to strip the "legitimacy" of jihad from the terrorists, so all of our Arab friends can be more on our side.

Err, yeah.

26 wrenchwench  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:13:12pm

re: #6 Render

Palestinian Islamic [Redacted] and Egyptian Islamic [Redacted].

It's a Redact-had!

27 MandyManners  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:14:01pm

What's next? NOAA calling tornadoes "big whirly-wind clouds"?

28 jaunte  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:14:07pm

re: #24 MandyManners

I think they see their roles as 'managers of information' so the rubes don't get overexcited. They don't believe their own bs, they know the truth, but we can't be trusted.

29 TrollBot PrtoType Six  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:14:12pm

Nothing is going to change until we lose a couple of cities.
//{:-(™

30 Shug  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:14:19pm

We wouldn't want to anger the people who orchestrated 9-11 by using the wrong words to describe them. That might make them want to fly planes into our buildings.

31 MandyManners  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:14:24pm

re: #26 wrenchwench

Palestinian Islamic [Redacted] and Egyptian Islamic [Redacted].

It's a Redact-had!

LOL!

32 Jimmy The Clam  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:14:28pm

re: #12 JammieWearingFool

Is insanity still called insanity?

ALL BELIEF SYSTEMS ARE VALID!
Insanity is a pejorative that implies that it is less than than sane, so the new term will be "differently-sane" or "alternatively sane".

33 rawmuse  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:14:31pm

Appeasement is being confused for Peace.

34 godfrey  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:14:55pm

re: #25 itellu3times

Well yeah, they'll act nicer in the short run because they've been given the keys to the city without firing a shot. All in good time, my friend. It takes time for tentacles to snake their way through the whole body politic.

35 USA  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:15:19pm

This should come as no surprise. State convinced the Administration to declare this a "War Against Terror." Funny, the enemy never said it was killing Americans in the name of Terror. Instead, the enemy tells us over and over again it is killing Americans in the name of [word (hint, sounds like falalalala, only shorter) DELETED at the request of State].

Note to State: Whistling in the wind won't make the enemy go away.

36 MandyManners  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:15:21pm

re: #28 jaunte

I think they see their roles as 'managers of information' so the rubes don't get overexcited. They don't believe their own bs, they know the truth, but we can't be trusted.

I hate my information to be managed. I can handle the unvarnished truth, and so can the rest of America. WE'RE NOT FUCKING STUPID.

37 Syrah  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:16:03pm

re: #12 JammieWearingFool

Is insanity still called insanity?


From the movie 12 Monkeys. James Cole (Bruce Willis) standing before an evaluation panel of Doctors at a mental hospital:


James Cole: This is a place for crazy people. I'm not crazy.
Dr. Peters: We don't use the term "crazy," Mr. Cole.
James Cole: Well, you've got some real nuts here.
38 godfrey  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:16:58pm

re: #36 MandyManners

Truth? You can't handle the truth! You big, ... racist... typical white Am... Rethuglichimpy McHalliburton warmonger, you!

39 wrenchwench  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:17:25pm

re: #25 itellu3times

It was Andrew C. McCarthy. I like him.

40 shibumi  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:17:38pm

re: #25 itellu3times

Didn't Rush interview someone on Friday about this? I was only listening with about half an ear, but the guy sounded reasonable. Wrong maybe, but reasonable. I didn't hear Rush's response.

Obviously, it's an attempt to strip the "legitimacy" of jihad from the terrorists, so all of our Arab friends can be more on our side.

Err, yeah.

There's a great article on the Rush interview on jihadwatch: You can't take Islam out of Islamic terrorism

And yes, the guy on Rush was reasonable. That's why he was picked up on jihadwatch, another reasonable group.

41 jaunte  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:17:55pm

re: #36 MandyManners

I've seen the same thing happen in government groupings as small as condo associations. Hoarding important information is a human failing.

42 Shug  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:18:30pm

GOOD NEWS.

The speech code still allows terms like white supremacist, cracker, homophobe, islamophobe, ethnocentrism, xenophobe, etc to describe Americans and American nationalism

43 Shug  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:18:36pm

/

44 Whiterasta  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:18:44pm

re: #12 JammieWearingFool

No. Insanity is called liberalism, these days.

45 Syrah  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:18:50pm

re: #41 jaunte

I've seen the same thing happen in government groupings as small as condo associations. Hoarding important information is a human failing.

Information as a commodity.

46 MandyManners  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:19:01pm

re: #38 godfrey

Truth? You can't handle the truth! You big, ... racist... typical white Am... Rethuglichimpy McHalliburton warmonger, you!

Is that who I am? I wonder who it was looking back at me in the mirror this morning.

47 debutaunt  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:19:34pm

re: #19 MandyManners

Reality-challenged? Different reality?

A is not A anymore. A is something else and my head hurts.

48 MandyManners  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:19:43pm

re: #41 jaunte

I've seen the same thing happen in government groupings as small as condo associations. Hoarding important information is a human failing.

I suspect some bad toilet training.

49 jaunte  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:19:47pm

re: #45 Syrah

One reason long-lived bureaucracies are dangerous to the health of the country.

50 Iron Fist  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:20:14pm

How many times have I (and other posters) said that if we can't name the enemy, we cannot win this war. Now we can't even call jihadis jihadis lest the Mohammedans be offended. What are they going to do if they are offended? Crash planes into sky scrapers?

Oops. They've already done that.

Maybe all Mohammedans aren't the enemy, but you'd have a damn hard time telling that from their behavior. It's not like they are wholesale turning in Jihadi cells, is it? We bust a cell, and the supposed "moderate" Mohammedans (oops, not supposed to refer to them that way :-) whine about it. Not cheer that people that are supposedly corrupting a "Great Religion" are busted.

Compare and contrast to how that "Great" religion treats blasphemy and apostasy and decide for yourself if the so-called "Moderate" Mohammedans really consider the Islamofascists to be "corrupting" their "Great" religion.

51 MandyManners  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:20:15pm

re: #47 debutaunt

A is not A anymore. A is something else and my head hurts.

So does mine.

52 Spiny Norman  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:20:45pm

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

One of the simplest rules in a conflict is clearly defining your target. By coming up with various codes and rules for how you talk about it, you obscure the target.

This is the entire purpose of "bureaucratese" and "legalese": to obscure, rather than to illuminate, which is the original purpose of language. Bureaucrats and lawyers (often the same people) use language to obfuscate and, most importantly, to deflect responsibility for anything.

53 Sunlight  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:20:46pm

re: #15 bellamags

No, I think it's the people who compulsively need to be cool, in every situation, and to "make a difference." I almost croak when I hear people saying this now, because the big "make a difference" projects of the last decade are leading to food shortages, hungry people, riots, and millions dying from mosquito borne diseases. Good work, cool people.
/not LGFers

54 yma o hyd  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:21:11pm

I've said this somewhere else, but it bears repeating:

There is one point the author briefly addresses, and which might be taken up here and in discussions elsewhere, and that is the question why those in power are not willing to treat Islam, and jihad as its most malevolent expression, in the same way as the Communist states and Communist parties were treated during the Cold War?

It bears repeating that Islam is an ideology, and that we are fighting an enemy whose belief system, cloaked as religion, is inimical to our values on all levels of life.

I'm more and more inclined to think that the label 'Religion' allows too many secular, atheist and agnostic people in the Western World to simply switch off. After all, to them all religions are useless fairy tales, so their believers don't need to be taken seriously as long as one acknowledges their 'cultural' differences.

That is precisely why such 'Wortregelungen' (a process much beloved by Goebbels and his Propaganda Ministry, btw! it means: regulation of expressions (words) ...) are made: one doesn't wish to 'hurt' the 'religious' feelings - and thus fails to recognise that the ideological enemy is within the gates.

55 The Other Les  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:21:30pm

Time to sack everyone in the State Department.

Then nuke it from orbit just to be sure.

56 Syrah  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:22:06pm

re: #49 jaunte

One reason long-lived bureaucracies are dangerous to the health of the country.

I have no idea how make it work, but I would like there to be a "term limit" for non-military/non-police government employment.

57 MandyManners  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:22:50pm

re: #54 yma o hyd

I've said this somewhere else, but it bears repeating:

There is one point the author briefly addresses, and which might be taken up here and in discussions elsewhere, and that is the question why those in power are not willing to treat Islam, and jihad as its most malevolent expression, in the same way as the Communist states and Communist parties were treated during the Cold War?

It bears repeating that Islam is an ideology, and that we are fighting an enemy whose belief system, cloaked as religion, is inimical to our values on all levels of life.

I'm more and more inclined to think that the label 'Religion' allows too many secular, atheist and agnostic people in the Western World to simply switch off. After all, to them all religions are useless fairy tales, so their believers don't need to be taken seriously as long as one acknowledges their 'cultural' differences.

That is precisely why such 'Wortregelungen' (a process much beloved by Goebbels and his Propaganda Ministry, btw! it means: regulation of expressions (words) ...) are made: one doesn't wish to 'hurt' the 'religious' feelings - and thus fails to recognise that the ideological enemy is within the gates.

I have but one up-ding to give you.

58 haakondahl  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:22:53pm

re: #33 rawmuse

Appeasement is being confused for Peace.

Again.

59 MandyManners  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:23:11pm

re: #55 The Other Les

Time to sack everyone in the State Department.

Then nuke it from orbit just to be sure.

A man with a plan.

60 haakondahl  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:25:06pm

re: #55 The Other Les

Time to sack everyone in the State Department.

Then nuke it from orbit just to be sure.

Heh!

61 Deathtotheswiss  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:25:56pm

Thank God these aren't the men and women on the ground. Logic that bad would get everyone killed.

62 haakondahl  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:26:00pm

re: #56 Syrah

I have no idea how make it work, but I would like there to be a "term limit" for non-military/non-police government employment.

Rotation policy.

63 godfrey  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:26:14pm

Here's the kind of guy the Dept of State loves: Ed Husain. His POV is running the table.

64 rawmuse  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:26:44pm

The House of Saud has a very large influence on State, imho.
I know just enough people who work there to justify this statement.

There is no other reason why we issue visas in such numbers, way out of proportion, to Middle Eastern states with openly hostile regimes.

Things aren't always as they seem, but they usually are.

65 jaunte  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:26:44pm

re: #56 Syrah

Good thought. It might be a start on that if there was a prohibition against our government employees moving into foreign-government-funded sinecures/lobbying positions after they retired.

66 seekeroftruth  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:26:53pm

This is has been a problem right from 9/11. How can you get your people to back your war when you can not clearly define who we are fighting?
I remember when President Bush finally named who the enemy is - islamic terrorist - during a prime time speech and the whole blogosphere cheered. Finally someone in the administration named the enemy for the American people.
This return to a no-name-enemy is going to undermine support for the war on terror even further.

67 shibumi  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:27:22pm

re: #30 Shug

We wouldn't want to anger the people who orchestrated 9-11 by using the wrong words to describe them. That might make them want to fly planes into our buildings.

Actually, there is some sort of scary twisted anti-logic going on here. First, the liberals decided that the government caused 9/11. Now, the government has decided not to use the word 'jihad.' In my mind, that means that no matter what happens, the government will be blamed for any [insert forbidden word here] attack, and therefore (follow me here) the jihadi will be rendered powerless! And we won't have to use force! By not giving them credit for any and all present and future attacks, we will have essentially eliminated them without causing bloodshed on either side.

In other words, we need to unleash a cadre of conservative psychotherapists on the government.

68 haakondahl  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:28:17pm

The pinheads at State and DHS are constantly rounding the numbers for us, and here is what I mean:

2.3 rounds to 2.

2.3 + 2.3 = 4.6, which rounds to 5.

When State talks, 2+2=5.

69 MandyManners  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:28:30pm

re: #64 rawmuse

The House of Saud has a very large influence on State, imho.
I know just enough people who work there to justify this statement.

There is no other reason why we issue visas in such numbers, way out of proportion, to Middle Eastern states with openly hostile regimes.

Things aren't always as they seem, but they usually are.

Does it go back to business and oil?

70 Spiny Norman  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:28:33pm

re: #33 rawmuse

Appeasement is being confused for Peace.

This has been Foggy Bottom's policy since WW2... and why they (the rank-and-file) were so horrified by Reagan's "aggressive and confrontational" stance against the Soviets. All the "relationships" they had cultivated with their counterparts in the Kremlin were suddenly at great risk.

71 itellu3times  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:28:49pm

re: #40 shibumi

There's a great article on the Rush interview on jihadwatch: You can't take Islam out of Islamic terrorism

And yes, the guy on Rush was reasonable. That's why he was picked up on jihadwatch, another reasonable group.

Yes, that was it, thanks. And he wasn't really supporting the idea after all. But hey, I'd be happy to call it Mabel just so the JDAMs land on target.

72 MandyManners  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:29:20pm

re: #65 jaunte

Good thought. It might be a start on that if there was a prohibition against our government employees moving into foreign-government-funded sinecures/lobbying positions after they retired.

YES!

73 shibumi  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:29:37pm

re: #64 rawmuse

The House of Saud has a very large influence on State, imho.
I know just enough people who work there to justify this statement.

There is no other reason why we issue visas in such numbers, way out of proportion, to Middle Eastern states with openly hostile regimes.

Things aren't always as they seem, but they usually are.

Didn't they also block the words 'jihad' and 'islamic terrorism' in the U.K. a few months back? Perhaps the Arab influence is being felt there as well.

74 yochanan  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:30:11pm

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

obama is not trusted in the pro israel movement in chicago either. not just new york

75 haakondahl  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:30:36pm

re: #70 Spiny Norman

This has been Foggy Bottom's policy since WW2... and why they (the rank-and-file) were so horrified by Reagan's "aggressive and confrontational" stance against the Soviets. All the "relationships" they had cultivated with their counterparts in the Kremlin were suddenly at great risk.

I recall reading somewhere that the State Department's major malfunction is that it has as a goal "stability", and stability right now will get us all killed.

76 jaunte  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:30:52pm

Dr. Sanity has posted some good pieces on this subject:

The rise of politically correct speech; the dogma of multiculturalism; the homogeneity of ideas and lack of intellectual diversity in academia; as well as the distortions and rationalizations that are currently the hallmark of intellectual debate within our institutions of higher learning and politics-- have all combined to accentuate the failure to assimilate and analyze the reality of the terrorist threat.


[Link: drsanity.blogspot.com...]

77 yochanan  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:31:09pm

moonbats bomb san d. federal court house

78 psaturn  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:31:25pm

re: #55 The Other Les

Time to sack everyone in the State Department.

Then nuke it from orbit just to be sure.

I think it was the State Department was the one who advised Truman not to recognize the new Jewish state of Israel....

79 haakondahl  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:31:45pm

re: #77 yochanan

moonbats bomb san d. federal court house

Breaking?

80 JammieWearingFool  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:32:09pm

re: #44 Whiterasta

No. Insanity is called liberalism, these days.

Good point.

81 jaunte  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:32:20pm

re: #77 yochanan

[Link: www.nbcsandiego.com...]

82 JammieWearingFool  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:33:30pm

re: #79 haakondahl

Breaking?

Here it is.

83 The Other Les  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:33:54pm

re: #78 psaturn

I think it was the State Department was the one who advised Truman not to recognize the new Jewish state of Israel....

This is an old problem. They institutionally do not understand the limits of diplomacy.

84 Shug  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:35:11pm

/re: #82 JammieWearingFool

Here it is.

SoCal Amish

/

85 Spiny Norman  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:35:24pm

re: #75 haakondahl

I recall reading somewhere that the State Department's major malfunction is that it has as a goal "stability", and stability right now will get us all killed.

Yes, negotiation for it's own sake, damn the ultimate results = stability. They have no long-term view, unlike our enemies (past, present or future). It makes no sense that a whole staff of people with Civil Service protections would be so blinkered.

86 Opinionated  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:35:47pm

It started out as the misnamed war on "terror"!

Who were we fighting? The boogeman? Speaking in public? A visit to the dentist?

Who's terror?

If they are Islamic and kill in Madrid, terror.

If they are Islamic and are under the Fatah umbrella and kill in Israel, not terror.

If they fund Hamas from the US, they're prosecuted.

If they fund Hamas from Saudi Arabia, our President dances with them.

Now it has come full circle and we go out of our way to exclude the actual bad guys, the Islamics, from out definition of the enemy.

But the war on "terror" continues. Dentists and boogeyman better watch out.

87 Spiny Norman  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:35:52pm

re: #77 yochanan

moonbats bomb san d. federal court house

What?

88 yma o hyd  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:36:20pm

It might be interesting to find out how many 'closet' muslims are employed in the State Department ...

89 rawmuse  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:36:25pm

By State's definition, Saddam Hussein's Iraq was "stable".

90 TrollBot PrtoType Six  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:36:29pm

re: #68 haakondahl

The pinheads at State and DHS are constantly rounding the numbers for us, and here is what I mean:

2.3 rounds to 2.

2.3 + 2.3 = 4.6, which rounds to 5.

When State talks, 2+2=5.

It's always been my understanding that while that maybe true on odd days of the week, on the even days it's still 2+2=4. On the other hand, if one takes into account leap years...
// {;-)™

91 Maximu§  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:36:35pm

Have we lost?

92 yochanan  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:36:47pm

SAN DIEGO — Authorities say a suspected pipe bomb explosion has damaged a door and blown out a window at the federal courthouse in downtown San Diego.

FBI spokeswoman April Langwell says the blast occurred early Sunday at the Edward J. Schwartz Federal Courthouse. She says the damage occurred at the building's front entrance and lobby area.

No injuries were reported. And no one has been arrested in connection with the blast

93 The Other Les[deleted]  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:38:29pm
94 debutaunt  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:38:34pm

re: #92 yochanan

SAN DIEGO — Authorities say a suspected pipe bomb explosion has damaged a door and blown out a window at the federal courthouse in downtown San Diego.

FBI spokeswoman April Langwell says the blast occurred early Sunday at the Edward J. Schwartz Federal Courthouse. She says the damage occurred at the building's front entrance and lobby area.

No injuries were reported. And no one has been arrested in connection with the blast

What cases are being tried?

95 Spiny Norman  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:39:10pm

Early Sunday? Was there any mention of it on the news shows outside of San Diego? Because this is the first I've heard of it, and I live in SoCal.

96 wolfie  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:39:33pm

re: #83 The Other Les

This is an old problem. They institutionally do not understand the limits of diplomacy.

Exactly. My dad (RIP) worked for the State Dept for ten+ years. His view was that they are paper-pushers and word-mongers who confuse speech with reality.
Their job is to negotiate and they mistake their job for the whole of existence.

97 The Other Les  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:39:42pm

re: #86 Opinionated

It started out as the misnamed war on "terror"!

Who were we fighting? The boogeman? Speaking in public? A visit to the dentist?

Who's terror?

If they are Islamic and kill in Madrid, terror.

If they are Islamic and are under the Fatah umbrella and kill in Israel, not terror.

If they fund Hamas from the US, they're prosecuted.

If they fund Hamas from Saudi Arabia, our President dances with them.

Now it has come full circle and we go out of our way to exclude the actual bad guys, the Islamics, from out definition of the enemy.

But the war on "terror" continues. Dentists and boogeyman better watch out.

Terror is the method. Tyranny is the goal.

98 Syrah  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:39:51pm

re: #54 yma o hyd

I think that it is a terrible mistake to try to pretend that Islam is a just an ideology and not a religion.

Religions are by their very nature transcendent of reason. Ideologies are not.

An ideology can be wrong, but its wrongness is a weakness with which it can be successfully challenged and modified. Religion is not dependent on reason so it can not be challenged with reason.

You can argue that Islam is illogical till you are blue in the face. The Islamist will only think that you have completely missed the point. He is on a mission from “god.” Nothing else matters to him.

We in West may make a distinction between Religion and State. The world of Islam does not. It does not mean that we can negate their faith, it only means that their faith is not compatible with our State.

99 Fenway_Nation  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:40:07pm

re: #77 yochanan

moonbats bomb san d. federal court house

Oh goodie- I'm sure it's a belated May Day gift from our Pro-terror, pro drug trafficker, pro Latin American dictator/thug contingent.

100 Spiny Norman  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:41:38pm

re: #92 yochanan

Because they picked a day when the place was closed, it seems most likely to be moonbat protestor types, rather than something more sinister.

101 wolfie  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:42:12pm

re: #85 Spiny Norman

Yes, negotiation for it's own sake, damn the ultimate results = stability. They have no long-term view, unlike our enemies (past, present or future). It makes no sense that a whole staff of people with Civil Service protections would be so blinkered.

It makes perfect sense! They are hired out of our universities.......where a whole staff of people with tenure protection is blinkered.

102 wolfie  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:42:59pm

re: #89 rawmuse

By State's definition, Saddam Hussein's Iraq was "stable".

You are right.

103 USA  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:43:38pm

re: #92 yochanan

SAN DIEGO — Authorities say a suspected pipe bomb explosion has damaged a door and blown out a window at the federal courthouse in downtown San Diego.

FBI spokeswoman April Langwell says the blast occurred early Sunday at the Edward J. Schwartz Federal Courthouse. She says the damage occurred at the building's front entrance and lobby area.

No injuries were reported. And no one has been arrested in connection with the blast

I am without words -- until State tells me the correct words.

Sheeple.

104 Shug  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:43:46pm

re: #102 wolfie

You are right.

And a dead person has stable vital signs

105 haakondahl  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:44:36pm

re: #92 yochanan

SAN DIEGO — Authorities say a suspected pipe bomb explosion has damaged a door and blown out a window at the federal courthouse in downtown San Diego.

FBI spokeswoman April Langwell says the blast occurred early Sunday at the Edward J. Schwartz Federal Courthouse. She says the damage occurred at the building's front entrance and lobby area.

No injuries were reported. And no one has been arrested in connection with the blast


I wonder what Obama's friends in the SDS think about this?

106 haakondahl  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:45:02pm

re: #89 rawmuse

By State's definition, Saddam Hussein's Iraq was "stable".

Zackly. Just ask April Glaspie.

107 Kirly  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:45:47pm

Any of you who are unhappy with this idiotic directive to avoid the use of words like "jihadi" or any of you who think it's beyond the pale that State refuses to say who the advisors were, should consider calling the White House Comment line. State serves at the discretion of the commander in chief. Maybe he ought to issue a command or two to Ms. Rice.

108 Spiny Norman  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:46:48pm

re: #88 yma o hyd

It might be interesting to find out how many 'closet' muslims are employed in the State Department ...

The infestation of Arabists at State is legendary. They are the Borg.

109 USA  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:47:59pm

re: #92 yochanan

SAN DIEGO — Authorities say a suspected pipe bomb explosion has damaged a door and blown out a window at the federal courthouse in downtown San Diego.

FBI spokeswoman April Langwell says the blast occurred early Sunday at the Edward J. Schwartz Federal Courthouse. She says the damage occurred at the building's front entrance and lobby area.

No injuries were reported. And no one has been arrested in connection with the blast

Perhaps a reunion/rally of Obama's Weathermen supporters?

110 nyc redneck  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:48:22pm

it's bad for citizen moral when the gov't makes such A FOOL OF ITSELF.
my heart sinks to think abt. these people being in charge of the safety of our country. why don't they know what we know? and act rationally? i was hoping this word cowardice wasn't coming here.

111 Syrah  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:49:07pm

re: #107 Kirly

State serves at the discretion of the commander in chief.

That seems to be in dispute. They operate as if they serve in spite of the commander in chief. A general sacking and full replacement with every turnover of the oval office would make it more clear to them at who's discretion they serve.

112 anand  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:49:39pm

It collapsed the day the name was changed from Operation Infinite Justice to Operation Enduring Freedom because muslims were offended.


Following the disclosure of Operation Infinite Justice, Muslim groups protested the name on the basis that their faith teaches that Allah is the only one that could provide "infinite justice".

113 Sunlight  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:50:44pm

re: #105 haakondahl

No big deal. Just like the pipe bombs at Brown U. in March. No big deal. Just random... Just stop talking about it.
/

114 Spiny Norman  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:52:02pm

re: #107 Kirly

Any of you who are unhappy with this idiotic directive to avoid the use of words like "jihadi" or any of you who think it's beyond the pale that State refuses to say who the advisors were, should consider calling the White House Comment line. The Secretary of State serves at the discretion of the commander in chief. Maybe he ought to issue a command or two to Ms. Rice.

Fixed it. The staff of the Department are "immune" from such petty partisan politicking as Presidential foreign policy goals.

Unfortunately, the White House seems to have been won over by the careerists at State and their respective worldviews are now in sync...

115 Render  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:55:04pm

Somebody at State is going to have an awful lot of editing to do to remove those words from the "lexicon."

[Link: search.state.gov...]

DIM
WITS,
R

116 J.S.  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:55:23pm

I'm also seeing other signs of disintegration (?)...The Ultra-left wing party here in Canada are insisting on "dialogues" with the Taliban. And it's now considered acceptable...by all parties.

Also, noted that recent Commentary article -- "In search of moderate Muslims" (February edition) -- as Pipes points out -- now it seems Commentary magazine doesn't have a problem with (what Pipes terms) the "lawful Islamists." (for example, devoted members of the Muslim Brotherhood -- the ones who claim to renounce "violence" but nonetheless wish to see Sharia law implemented in Egypt are to be considered "acceptable"? Ok by everyone now?)

All of this "dialogue" and catering to the wishes of Islamists is (I believe) antithetical to opposing Islamism...whether here or abroad...

117 Sunlight  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:56:07pm

OT:

The U.S. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Adm. Mike Mullen said:

the US has "has been at Israel's side for all of 60 years, it will be for the next 60 years, 100 years and 1,000 years.

"With all its success, I am a tremendous admirer and have great respect for Israel"

Ayatollah: Iran won't stop nuke program

118 The Shadow Do  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:56:40pm

The West is fighting the World Wide War on Jihadism. WWJ (TM?) to those who are too impaired to use the actual words.

119 USA  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:58:35pm

If only State had been smart enough to erase the word "Nazi" from the lexicon at the start of WWII. So many lives would have been saved!

120 yma o hyd  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:58:44pm

re: #98 Syrah

I think that it is a terrible mistake to try to pretend that Islam is a just an ideology and not a religion.

Religions are by their very nature transcendent of reason. Ideologies are not.

An ideology can be wrong, but its wrongness is a weakness with which it can be successfully challenged and modified. Religion is not dependent on reason so it can not be challenged with reason.

You can argue that Islam is illogical till you are blue in the face. The Islamist will only think that you have completely missed the point. He is on a mission from “god.” Nothing else matters to him.

We in West may make a distinction between Religion and State. The world of Islam does not. It does not mean that we can negate their faith, it only means that their faith is not compatible with our State.


I can't agree with you, sorry.
It is a fact that Islam regulates not just the spiritual life, but the whole, civil, life in Muslim states. It regulates the judiciary (think sharia), the government, e.g. SA, it prescribes precisely how people have to behave in every sphere of their daily lives. It prescribes war against everybody who is not a muslim, it regulates in detail how people have to think.
There is no escape, by pain of death.

The only belief-system it can be compared to inr ecent history is communism, as exemplified by the then Soviet Union.
I think the parallels speak for themselves.
I remember recent history well enough to recall the way communists used to debate with 'ubelievers' - I well remember the way any critique of the treatment of people living under the hammer and sickle was brushed off as interference in situations we, as capitalists and enemies, couldn't understand.
I remember well enough how people trying to flee across the Wall were shot by their own military.

I've also started to read up on what actually is written in the Qur'an (see e.g. 'Blogging the Qur'an' by Robert spencer), and I cannot see anything spiritually uplifting in there, with the exceptions of mangled sayings pinched by Mo from the Torah and the NT. He found it easier to cloak his robbery and warfare under the cloak of 'religion' - it doesn't cahnge the fact that it was and is a tool for getting and keeping power over people, especially women.

Sorry, I cannot agree with you.

121 wolfie  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:58:51pm

re: #98 Syrah

I think that it is a terrible mistake to try to pretend that Islam is a just an ideology and not a religion.

Religions are by their very nature transcendent of reason. Ideologies are not.

An ideology can be wrong, but its wrongness is a weakness with which it can be successfully challenged and modified. Religion is not dependent on reason so it can not be challenged with reason.

You can argue that Islam is illogical till you are blue in the face. The Islamist will only think that you have completely missed the point. He is on a mission from “god.” Nothing else matters to him.

We in West may make a distinction between Religion and State. The world of Islam does not. It does not mean that we can negate their faith, it only means that their faith is not compatible with our State.

Great post!
Where you are saying "ideology," I would probably say "philosophy." It's one of those words that can mean different hings to different people and in different contexts, so I'm not laying down any laws or corrections here!
But if I may channel Marx, in his Poverty of Philosophy he makes the clear distinction between ideology (good) and philosophy (bad.) This is the work in which he presents his famous aphorism that "the point is not to understand the world, but to change it." He identifies philosophy with the first and ideology with the latter. Philosophy seeks truth, but there is no truth outside of power structures. Therefore, the liberated man seeks power to form truth....and this is ideology. Ideology is NOT subject to logic. Marx will tell you that himself. (I mention Marx because what he has to say applies to all ideology.)
I would also add that Benedict's speech at Regensburg gives a classic statement of the fact that Christianity may, as you say, transcend reason at points, but that it must include it and cannot contravene it. (This is a peculiarity of Xnty and not true of many or most religions.....definitely not true of Islam.)

122 yochanan  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:58:51pm

re: #105 haakondahl

I wonder what Obama's friends in the SDS think about this?

they more than likely did it!

123 jainphx  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:59:17pm

There are some very dangerous people at the State Dept. Whether they are just stupid or traitorous has to be determined. John McCain (I have trouble with this) on inauguration, should fire the whole lot and start over period.

124 debutaunt  Sun, May 4, 2008 12:59:56pm

re: #112 anand

It collapsed the day the name was changed from Operation Infinite Justice to Operation Enduring Freedom because muslims were offended.

It's so darn nice when the subject makes our case for us.

125 nyc redneck  Sun, May 4, 2008 1:01:11pm

re: #112 anand

It collapsed the day the name was changed from Operation Infinite Justice to Operation Enduring Freedom because muslims were offended.

it is almost ha ha funny to me, except it's too serious.
how can we allow the enemy to claim that certain words are their domain and off limits to us. or limit our word choice to describe them. this pc capitulation we are doing just emboldens these savages and they really are laughing ha ha funny at our groveling to meet their vocabulary demands.

i say your time is coming islamic jihadi moslem terrorists, inspired by the horror in the koran.

126 wolfie  Sun, May 4, 2008 1:06:09pm

re: #98 Syrah

re: #120 yma o hyd

re: #121 wolfie

Syrah has started us thinking about the right things. I think the comparisons yma is making between Islam and Marxism are spot on. And as I think about Marx's own definition of ideology, I can't help thinking how well the Arabian opium of the masses fits in! Food for thought.

127 USA  Sun, May 4, 2008 1:08:30pm

How does this work? IF the Weathermen had anything to do with the San Diego bombing, will Obama have to say "I can no more disown [my Weatherman bombing supporters] than I can disown the black community" before he changes course and throws them under the bus, too?

128 Shr_Nfr  Sun, May 4, 2008 1:10:17pm

re: #75 haakondahl

Well, you are stable after you are killed after all. You don't move much.

129 Kirly  Sun, May 4, 2008 1:50:01pm

re: #111 Syrah

That seems to be in dispute. They operate as if they serve in spite of the commander in chief. A general sacking and full replacement with every turnover of the oval office would make it more clear to them at who's discretion they serve.

theoretically it may be in dispute. but, surely there is a clear line to the commander in chief.

i agree with the general sacking and replacement at every turnover. that is as it should be.

130 aaron  Sun, May 4, 2008 1:51:03pm

re: #127 USA

How does this work? IF the Weathermen had anything to do with the San Diego bombing, will Obama have to say "I can no more disown [my Weatherman bombing supporters] than I can disown the black community" before he changes course and throws them under the bus, too?

They are no longer to be called "Weatherman bombing supporters."

In NewSpeak they are called "tenured professors."

131 rightwinger3  Sun, May 4, 2008 2:08:34pm

This is a strategic mistake. How long has it been since an administration has not made a strategic blunder? WWII? Tactically though, rest assured that the Marines (and Army) know who they are fighting whatever you want to call them...extremists, terrorists or jihadis. And they are winning. And that counts for a lot as well.

132 guftafs  Sun, May 4, 2008 2:10:18pm

What's new? Not supporting Israel's fight against the Palestinians, not taking action against the Iranian nuclear weapons program are already facts we'll have to live with. This is merely hammering out the details.

133 kamala  Sun, May 4, 2008 2:14:48pm

Read the entire article, then ask yourself, "why are our troops still in Iraq?"

134 gymnast  Sun, May 4, 2008 2:16:44pm

Don't mean nothin', just the State Dept trying to be a nuanced as the news media. In plain English, they are all nothing but a bunch of extremist fuckheads aiding and abetting terror terror, murder and treason, or, "extremists" for short.

135 uptight  Sun, May 4, 2008 2:22:30pm

Charles - the problem here is that the word "terrorist" is too judgmental and subjective.

Sure you may disagree with the mass murder of civilians going about their daily lives. Indeed - truth be told - I am a little uncomfortable with it myself. but to the protagonist it is a legitimate expression of his opinion and beliefs.

I guess it's understandable that such acts are restricted. The health and safety aspects alone, make "non-specific-target resistance actions" untenable. But surely the callous branding of such acts "terrorism" just rubs salt in the wound and inflames the situation.

We should be sensitive to the feelings of others even if we can't support their beliefs. So next time you are tempted to use the word "Islamic terrorist", think for a moment. How about using "Islamic enthusiast" instead.

If nothing else, you won't be burdened by the guilt that accompanies hurting someone's feelings.

136 Shaky Louie  Sun, May 4, 2008 2:31:07pm

It has progressed regressed to the point where one will only be allowed to refer to it as - " the 'j' word ", if at all, hasn't it?

137 Promethea  Sun, May 4, 2008 2:32:03pm

re: #28 jaunte

I think they see their roles as 'managers of information' so the rubes don't get overexcited. They don't believe their own bs, they know the truth, but we can't be trusted.

My profession experience with managers of information is that they do believe their own bs. Whenever I've made jokes about the bs I've been glared at and slapped down.

/Victim of PC and Orwellian doublethink

138 Promethea  Sun, May 4, 2008 2:32:38pm

Oops...my "professional"

139 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sun, May 4, 2008 2:33:25pm
140 bosforus  Sun, May 4, 2008 2:36:58pm

Ya know, terrorists aren't going to have make any strides forward as long as we keep stepping backwards.

141 Promethea  Sun, May 4, 2008 2:41:29pm

re: #54 yma o hyd

I've said this somewhere else, but it bears repeating:

There is one point the author briefly addresses, and which might be taken up here and in discussions elsewhere, and that is the question why those in power are not willing to treat Islam, and jihad as its most malevolent expression, in the same way as the Communist states and Communist parties were treated during the Cold War?

It bears repeating that Islam is an ideology, and that we are fighting an enemy whose belief system, cloaked as religion, is inimical to our values on all levels of life.

I'm more and more inclined to think that the label 'Religion' allows too many secular, atheist and agnostic people in the Western World to simply switch off. After all, to them all religions are useless fairy tales, so their believers don't need to be taken seriously as long as one acknowledges their 'cultural' differences.

That is precisely why such 'Wortregelungen' (a process much beloved by Goebbels and his Propaganda Ministry, btw! it means: regulation of expressions (words) ...) are made: one doesn't wish to 'hurt' the 'religious' feelings - and thus fails to recognise that the ideological enemy is within the gates.

I excuse Bush (maybe he shouldn't be excused) because we need to work with Muslims in the Persian Gulf area in order to wage war on the Jihadists and possibly the Iranians. If it were up to me, I would already have invaded Saudi Arabia and taken their oil and let the Saudis revert back to the neolithic culture that they love so well. However, since the current administration decided to work with the locals, then we have to pretend that Islam isn't a sick cult that should be pushed down ASAP.

142 Opinionated  Sun, May 4, 2008 2:57:53pm

re: #97 The Other Les

Terror is the method. Tyranny is the goal.

We have their method, we have their goal, we just don't have the balls to name the perpetrators.

How can we ever win if the enemy is nondescript.

We won't.

143 hazzyday  Sun, May 4, 2008 5:28:58pm

Well if we need to define it. Let's make a list of Muslims we like and Muslims we don't like. Only give assistance to Muslims we like. And in the don't like category define a set of them as ungodly muslims.

I would say that the list of Muslims we like has to be a set of people that support the right of Israel to exist.

144 offendi  Sun, May 4, 2008 5:49:36pm

Where is Neville Chamberlain when you need him?

145 profitsbeard  Sun, May 4, 2008 5:59:17pm

"You are either with us or against us"

Government functionaries are rarely that direct in their speech, so censoring synonyms sounds typical of their nitpicky mindset.

Bush should fire the whole useless bunch who came up with this time-wasting, mind-muddling folly.

The enemy is Islamofascist jihadis.

By their own declaration.

Let Muslims who disagree, disagree with them.

We only utilize their name for themselves.

It'll look good on their graves.

146 Tigger2005  Sun, May 4, 2008 6:21:44pm

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Suck on it, State.

147 BIGDUKE 6  Sun, May 4, 2008 7:18:29pm

re: #13 Shug

Sadly missing from the new Lexicon is the word Victory

Amen Brother, Amen.

148 BIGDUKE 6  Sun, May 4, 2008 7:20:20pm

re: #139 song_and_dance_man

Who's the modern day Betsy Ross that's sewing the White flag?

/s

Betsy's name is now Condie Rice.

149 BIGDUKE 6  Sun, May 4, 2008 7:24:08pm

re: #121 wolfie

Congrats you have made the subject " clear as an azure sky" -

Alex, Clockwork Orange.

150 dbe928  Sun, May 4, 2008 7:33:33pm

This goes along with what was on IsraPundit recently, where Irwin Cotler was quoted as saying,

"I regret to say what we witnessing in the international arena, particularly in the United Nations is the ongoing deligitimization and demonization of Israel which is carried out, no longer under the rule of law. It precedes tragically under the protective cover of the UN. It invokes the imprimatur of international law. It marches under the banner of human rights because it knows in a world in which human rights is the new secular religion of our times, as I have otherwise spoken of it, then to hold Israel out to be the main new human rights violator of our times, is to posit Israel as the new anti-Christ of our times."

151 Render  Sun, May 4, 2008 11:52:59pm

re: #133 kamala

I fail to see the correlation.

The State Department has no authority over the Department of Defense.

SEPARATE
FRONTS,
R

152 Syrah  Mon, May 5, 2008 12:17:53am

re: #120 yma o hyd

I have given your commment long and careful thought.

I am at loggerheads here with you because in my view, if Islam is not a religion, then there is no such thing as a religion any where, any time, for any people. How can Islam not be a religion, but Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Shinto, or even the ancient dead religions of the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Aztecs or that of any people living or dead be considered a religion?

Our “disagreement” is in the fundamentals of the discussion, namely, the operational definition “religion.”

If you were referring to Sharia, I would agree that Sharia is ideological, specifically, Sharia is the ecclesiocratic expression of Islam, or to state it more simply, Sharia is political Islam.

Islam demands an ecclesiocratic rule over Muslims through the practice and implementation of Sharia.

Islam is totalitarian in that it requires that the faithful and the subject people to submit to the dictates of Islam as they are they are revealed in the Qur'an and related in the Hadith. Muslims believe that the Angel Gabriel Revealed the will of god to Muhammad who faithfully recorded this in the Qur'an. The Hadith is the collected recorded observations of how Muhammad lived his life and how he described and explained Islam.

While not all countries where Islam dominates are strictly ecclesiocratic, the pressure to become ecclesiocratic is tremendous. (See Turkey.) Some Islamic states are expressly ecclesiocratic, notably, Iran. In Iran, the political state is subject to the will of the Supreme Leader (Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei) and the Guardian Council. The Supreme Leader of Iran and the Guardian Council are religious offices. In Iran, the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei and the Guardian Council are superior in legal standing to The President of Iran (Mahmoud Ahmadinejad).

Is the religion of a ecclesiocratic state negated by the operational philosophy (ideology) that supports and promotes it? No, it is not. In an ecclesiacracy, the state is made to serve the ends of the religion at the direction of the religions leaders.

Sharia serves Islam, not the other way around.


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