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Mon, May 5, 2008 at 3:01:03 am PDT

The enemy is anybody who’s going to get you killed, no matter which side he’s on.

Joseph Heller

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1 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:04:19am

Morning Lizards!

2 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:05:16am

Morning rightside!

3 tedzilla99  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:06:05am
The enemy is anybody who’s going to get you killed, no matter which side he’s on.

Or what newspaper he works for.

4 freetoken  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:06:07am

Perhaps Heller's best quote, that I could find online:

"Peace on earth would mean the end of civilization as we know it."

5 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:07:19am
The enemy is anybody who’s going to get you killed, no matter which side he’s on.

— Joseph Heller

The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy, no more no less.

one of the 7(?) rules of highly effective pirates.

6 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:10:08am

morning gg!

7 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:11:23am

Is this the skillet thread?

8 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:12:10am

re: #6 rightside

morning gg!

Hello there!
Is that a Sargent Major's sign in your icon?

9 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:13:01am

Good morning, Lizards!

{rightside}
{BlueCanuck}
{freetoken}
{tedzilla99}
{galloping granny}

10 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:13:57am

Good morning {goddess}.

11 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:13:57am

Good morning all. 53 degrees in the predawn gloom of Chambodia with a high around 80 later today. Feeding the baby at the moment.

How's everyone this fine morning?

12 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:14:11am

re: #8 MigueldowninMexico

hello to you too!

omg no! it's first class petty officer, or E-6 in the Navy. The rank I retired at from the Navy.

13 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:15:07am

re: #1 rightside

Morning Lizards!

re: #8 MigueldowninMexico

Hello there!
Is that a Sargent Major's sign in your icon?

First Class Petty Officer, United Staes Navy.

But what is the rate/occupation?

14 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:15:55am

{goddess}

This from the "Raging Obama" thread earlier, but I think it fits...

Barack Obama is struggling to contain his anger and frustration over the constant barrage of questions about his character and judgment, his wife has revealed.

Seems to me, he wants to be judged on the color of his skin, and not the content of his character.

15 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:16:21am

re: #9 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards!

{rightside}
{BlueCanuck}
{freetoken}
{tedzilla99}
{galloping granny}

Morning goddess. How are you today? (Supposed to be a nice one here!)

16 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:17:11am

re: #14 rightside

{goddess}

This from the "Raging Obama" thread earlier, but I think it fits...


Seems to me, he wants to be judged on the color of his skin, and not the content of his character.

So he wants a political affirmitive action election?

17 freetoken  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:17:14am

re: #9 goddessoftheclassroom

re: #9 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards!

"I arise in the morning torn between a desire to improve the world and a desire to enjoy the world. This makes it hard to plan the day. "
- E. B. White

18 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:17:17am

Weel, galloping granny, I attacked the front garden yesterday. My Lizard-in-Training and I tacked the dandelions, nettles, and other weeds. I've got a blister on my palm, but I'm pumped to finish the onslaught this afternoon!

This weekend we clear our the back yard so I can lay out the raised bed.

19 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:17:27am

re: #12 rightside

hello to you too!

omg no! it's first class petty officer, or E-6 in the Navy. The rank I retired at from the Navy.

Heh, as you can see I don't know about that lol
Thanks for your service! :)
God bless you.

20 redc1c4  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:17:27am

re: #12 rightside

hello to you too!

omg no! it's first class petty officer, or E-6 in the Navy. The rank I retired at from the Navy.

don't mind him: he don't get out much, and all us funny suiters look the same.

/except the Cav, since we wear Stetsons %-)

21 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:18:13am

re: #17 freetoken

re: #9 goddessoftheclassroom

"I arise in the morning torn between a desire to improve the world and a desire to enjoy the world. This makes it hard to plan the day. "
- E. B. White

I love it!

22 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:18:36am

{Goddess} :)

23 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:19:04am

re: #20 redc1c4

don't mind him: he don't get out much, and all us funny suiters look the same.

/except the Cav, since we wear Stetsons %-)

Hahahaha.

24 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:19:06am

re: #13 AmeriDan

I was a fire control technician, or later, just fire controlman. We operate and maintain the ships' guided missile fire control systems. Used in conjunction with the ships' primary 3D air search radar, the fire control directors ensured maximum accuracy, and allowed us to put "ordnance on target"

25 sparrowlake  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:19:20am
The enemy is anybody who’s going to get you killed, no matter which side he’s on.
— Joseph Heller

Thank you for that cynical, miserable, self-hating observation - just what I need to start my day./

26 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:19:22am

re: #12 rightside

hello to you too!

omg no! it's first class petty officer, or E-6 in the Navy. The rank I retired at from the Navy.

Rate, please.

27 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:20:03am

re: #20 redc1c4

We wore green berets. :)

/great for funning the yanks in Fort Drum I heard.

28 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:20:31am

In the Mexican Army, one stripe is corporal, two, seargent, three seargent major.

I know about hierarchy here.

29 redc1c4  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:20:48am

re: #24 rightside

I was a fire control technician, or later, just fire controlman. We operate and maintain the ships' guided missile fire control systems. Used in conjunction with the ships' primary 3D air search radar, the fire control directors ensured maximum accuracy, and allowed us to put "ordnance on target"

also know as a "BSU" rating......

30 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:21:14am

re: #16 BlueCanuck

That, and pay no attention to whom I associated with before, that's the past. I look to the future. Because there is hope. And change. And you can't change the past. If you elect this black president, I will be that change. I hope.

31 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:21:19am

re: #18 goddessoftheclassroom

Weel, galloping granny, I attacked the front garden yesterday. My Lizard-in-Training and I tacked the dandelions, nettles, and other weeds. I've got a blister on my palm, but I'm pumped to finish the onslaught this afternoon!

This weekend we clear our the back yard so I can lay out the raised bed.

Good for you! I've got about 1000 pounds of bushes to haul up the hill, the last of last fall's leaves to get up to the new compost pile, 16 holes to dig, another row to plant in the garden and heaven knows what else. The daughter will be home tomorrow so we want the yard spiffy - new deck and picnic table, so that will be a nice surprise for her. And somewhere I have to find time to pot up another couple hundred tomatoes!

32 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:22:00am

More stupidity from my profession: Dartmouth's 'Hostile' Environment

Often it seems as though American higher education exists only to provide gag material for the outside world. The latest spectacle is an Ivy League professor threatening to sue her students because, she claims, their "anti-intellectualism" violated her civil rights.

Priya Venkatesan taught English at Dartmouth College. She maintains that some of her students were so unreceptive of "French narrative theory" that it amounted to a hostile working environment. She is also readying lawsuits against her superiors, who she says papered over the harassment, as well as a confessional exposé, which she promises will "name names."

33 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:22:21am

re: #24 rightside

Cool, I was a Boiler Tech on an aircraft carrier for four years.

Yeah, I know, a lowly snipe. But I still work in the field and it pays the bills.

34 opnion  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:22:23am

Good Morning Lizards!

35 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:22:24am

re: #31 galloping granny

Want to make 1000 pounds of bushes disappear?
Get a goat!

lol

36 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:22:29am

re: #19 MigueldowninMexico

You, and all the fellow lizards are welcome. Thank you!

37 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:23:21am

re: #32 Lucius Septimius

More stupidity from my profession: Dartmouth's 'Hostile' Environment

Sorry, Mr Godwin, but these people act like NAZIS.
Ugh.

38 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:23:44am

re: #33 AmeriDan

Everyones job onboard is important, no matter what. We had fresh air snipes, since we were gas turbine, so I have had to go down to the boiler room, and ask for a BT punch LOL

39 freetoken  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:23:49am

re: #25 sparrowlake

Many of Heller's quotes that I can find on the web have a biting nature to them... he really could put on the sour mood when he wanted so...

I don't know if Charles has the quotes preselected, or if they are just selected randomly by a 'bot searching someplace like brainyquote.com... but this Morning's quote has a sardonic-ness to it that is a bit darker than expected for LGF.

40 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:24:00am
41 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:24:05am

re: #22 MigueldowninMexico

{Goddess} :)

{MigueldowninMexico}

Happy Cinquo de Mayo! (Is that correct?)

42 redc1c4  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:24:43am

re: #31 galloping granny

Good for you! I've got about 1000 pounds of bushes to haul up the hill, the last of last fall's leaves to get up to the new compost pile, 16 holes to dig, another row to plant in the garden and heaven knows what else. The daughter will be home tomorrow so we want the yard spiffy - new deck and picnic table, so that will be a nice surprise for her. And somewhere I have to find time to pot up another couple hundred tomatoes!


i've been busy killing off non-native plants in the front yard and rearranging things out there. next i have to plant the native grass in back and secure the seeds from the bird population.

there's also the water feature out front to finish and the fountain/birdbath i'm expected to create in back.

/yes dear

43 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:24:50am

re: #33 AmeriDan

Cool, I was a Boiler Tech on an aircraft carrier for four years.

Yeah, I know, a lowly snipe. But I still work in the field and it pays the bills.

Thanks for your service too, Dan.
God bless you too :)

44 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:25:40am

re: #31 galloping granny

Good for you! I've got about 1000 pounds of bushes to haul up the hill, the last of last fall's leaves to get up to the new compost pile, 16 holes to dig, another row to plant in the garden and heaven knows what else. The daughter will be home tomorrow so we want the yard spiffy - new deck and picnic table, so that will be a nice surprise for her. And somewhere I have to find time to pot up another couple hundred tomatoes!

I am humbled.

However, I know better than to set my sights too high--my goal is to get started. I really enjoyed working on it yesterday with my son.

45 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:25:53am

re: #41 goddessoftheclassroom

{MigueldowninMexico}

Happy Cinquo de Mayo! (Is that correct?)

Thanks, goddess! :)
Cinco de Mayo ;)

46 freetoken  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:25:55am

re: #41 goddessoftheclassroom

shhhhhh... Miguel is a known Cinco-terrorist.....

47 littleoldlady  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:26:10am
48 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:26:12am

re: #30 rightside

That, and pay no attention to whom I associated with before, that's the past. I look to the future. Because there is hope. And change. And you can't change the past. If you elect this black president, I will be that change. I hope.

Besides, this is not helping your children at all.

/move along people

49 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:27:07am
50 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:27:15am

re: #46 freetoken

shhhhhh... Miguel is a known Cinco-terrorist.....

Hahahahahaha

51 redc1c4  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:27:45am

re: #33 AmeriDan

Cool, I was a Boiler Tech on an aircraft carrier for four years.

Yeah, I know, a lowly snipe. But I still work in the field and it pays the bills.

you kept the big grey bitch moving, and without that , she might as well have been a reef. you mattered.

thank you for your service. it *ALL* counts.

52 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:28:41am

re: #47 littleoldlady

Is this the Army, Navy and/or the Marines thread?

I love Holiday-on-Ice!
:)

53 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:28:46am

re: #32 Lucius Septimius

More stupidity from my profession: Dartmouth's 'Hostile' Environment

I read that the other day. What a lunatic this woman is. Oddly enough, I also googled for a picture of her (small world up here) and discovered that there were women (all different) in the same profession at at least 2 or 3 other colleges/universities scattered around the US.

Frankly, it almost made me wonder whether to call the INS. That seems like a very unusual name, much too unusual to be repeated for instructors at several different colleges.

See here -
[Link: www.google.com...]

If you click the images link at the very top of the page, you will also find pics of at least one other lady by the same name, this one at Duke.

54 redc1c4  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:29:23am

re: #47 littleoldlady

Is this the Army, Navy and/or the Marines thread?

looks like the Air Force

110% on the "Gay Scale"

55 opnion  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:31:09am

re: #50 MigueldowninMexico

Hahahahahaha

Miguel, Happy Cinco de Mayo!
Congratulations, Ya whipped the French. The French?
I mean , great victory & all, but the French?

56 littleoldlady  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:31:09am

re: #52 MigueldowninMexico

I love Holiday-on-Ice!
:)

I think the midget on skates is the star!

/me and BabbaZee
//Big OTs

57 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:31:25am

re: #32 Lucius Septimius

It almost makes me sick.

One of my former students just got an A in an English 101 (composition) course. He told me he learned more about writing and correct structure when he had me in 8th grade. All he had to write about was how he "felt" about certain topics--no citations.

58 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:31:41am

re: #42 redc1c4

i've been busy killing off non-native plants in the front yard and rearranging things out there. next i have to plant the native grass in back and secure the seeds from the bird population.

there's also the water feature out front to finish and the fountain/birdbath i'm expected to create in back.

/yes dear

ROFLMAO. See, if it were me I would inform the dear that the cost of fresh produce is much too high and expected to shoot over the moon with the price of gas and so on, thus I had decided that all of the available plantings and yard space should be given over to Victory Gardening.

Which is essentially what we are doing here, since I don't mow, the daughter doesn't have time/hates to, and the kiddo is much too young to be allowed to mow unless we get her a foot powered mower.

59 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:31:43am

re: #53 galloping granny

Granny
Lucius

That reminds me of a popular saying in Cuba:
"In Cuba, the one who doesn't applaud is a counter-revolutionary"

The Nazis on the left want us not only to shut up, but to agree wholeheartedly with them...or else.
They're so sick.

60 Irish Rose  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:31:57am

Good morning, iizards.
Another Monday.

61 redc1c4  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:32:21am

night all................. i'd better hit it before HRH wakes up and asks why i'm still up. %-)

L8r!

62 freetoken  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:32:37am

Well, good night all....

Time to sign off my broadcast day... tonight with this to counter Mr. Heller....

63 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:33:16am

re: #55 opnion

Miguel, Happy Cinco de Mayo!
Congratulations, Ya whipped the French. The French?
I mean , great victory & all, but the French?

Hpmfffff...

64 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:33:34am

Good night red. Have a busy day.

65 sparrowlake  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:33:34am

Heller's futility-of-war themes are Moonbat candy.

66 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:34:03am

re: #43 MigueldowninMexico

Thanks for your service too, Dan.
God bless you too :)

re: #38 rightside

Everyones job onboard is important, no matter what. We had fresh air snipes, since we were gas turbine, so I have had to go down to the boiler room, and ask for a BT punch LOL

You are very welcome Miguel. I was proud to serve.

Rightside, my last year in, I was the watch supervisior (BTOW) and had to give a BT punch or three. I always took it easy on them though, just a playfull tap on the arm.

Then I gave then a tour of the Main Machinery Room. I guess I'm just an ole softy.

67 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:35:38am

re: #60 Irish Rose

Good morning, iizards.
Another Monday.

Hello there! :)
Indeed
.

68 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:36:41am

re: #44 goddessoftheclassroom

I am humbled.

However, I know better than to set my sights too high--my goal is to get started. I really enjoyed working on it yesterday with my son.

Oh, don't be humbled. You would not be if you were here, trust me. This is not a new house - an antique, built in 1930. It once had lovely gardens, but they had been allowed to run wild during the entire time the previous owners had the house. I've already spent an entire year digging and clipping and weeding just to see what is even here, LOL, and will be at least a couple more thinning and putzing and moving and dragging and having at stuff with the chain saw unless I simply sterilize the entire mess. Hate to do that because there are some rare old iris, peonies and lilies, if I can ever get enough stuff weeded out to rescue them.

Gardening with kids is wonderful fun - and a great opportunity to slip a few science lessons in or add to their powers of observation. I have some great plans for an aquaculture set up you can do in an old aquarium come fall if you decide you want to give that a whirl too.

69 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:36:46am

re: #62 freetoken

Good night free! :)

70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:36:52am

Hola Lagarto's!

Happy Cinco de Mayo!

71 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:36:55am

re: #32 Lucius Septimius

More stupidity from my profession: Dartmouth's 'Hostile' Environment

After a winter of discontent, the snapping point came while Ms. Venkatesan was lecturing on "ecofeminism," which holds, in part, that scientific advancements benefit the patriarchy but leave women out. One student took issue, and reasonably so – actually, empirically so. But "these weren't thoughtful statements," Ms. Venkatesan protests. "They were irrational." The class thought otherwise. Following what she calls the student's "diatribe," several of his classmates applauded.

Ms. Venkatesan informed her pupils that their behavior was "fascist demagoguery." Then, after consulting a physician about "intellectual distress," she cancelled classes for a week. Thus the pending litigation.

ROFLMAO! Typical light-weight mind. "FASCIST!"

72 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:37:25am

re: #32 Lucius Septimius

More than 25 years ago I had a beautiful friend
he was 83 then
he had degrees in 5 or 6 different disciplines
he had been fired from almost every teaching position he ever held at the university level
and he had walked off the rest
He was reduced to teaching high school science by the time I met him.


So way back then he warned me about this kind of crap in academia and more, and the agenda politics, but I had no understanding then of what he was speaking about, I had not even been to college as a student ...
so I had zero clue about what the environment was like.

He also used to say two things to me
often and emphatically :

The entirety of the fossil evidence they have on the so called origins of man would not fill the bed of a pick up truck.

and

A very small group of incredibly stupid people does 90% the world's thinking for it ~
do not take anything they tell you at face value, they all have an agenda.

Love you Charlie. Miss you like crazy.

73 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:37:36am

re: #61 redc1c4

night all................. i'd better hit it before HRH wakes up and asks why i'm still up. %-)

L8r!

Good night, you poor oppressed man.

/You should joint Men Lib lol

74 redc1c4  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:37:46am

re: #58 galloping granny

ROFLMAO. See, if it were me I would inform the dear that the cost of fresh produce is much too high and expected to shoot over the moon with the price of gas and so on, thus I had decided that all of the available plantings and yard space should be given over to Victory Gardening.

Which is essentially what we are doing here, since I don't mow, the daughter doesn't have time/hates to, and the kiddo is much too young to be allowed to mow unless we get her a foot powered mower.

well, first off: i don't argue with my wife. that's why i have a happy marriage. second of all, there's only two of us, so we need only a bit of green crops, which we produce. since she won't let me crop out the whole area as Zinfandel, there's hardly any reason to anything else anyway.

75 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:38:09am

re: #73 MigueldowninMexico

Good night, you poor oppressed man.

/You should joint Men Lib lol

Oops. Don't joint them, just join them lol

76 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:38:24am

re: #56 littleoldlady

I think the midget on skates is the star!

/me and BabbaZee
//Big OTs

Big OT's are ripping them off!

77 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:38:56am

re: #51 redc1c4

you kept the big grey bitch moving, and without that , she might as well have been a reef. you mattered.

thank you for your service. it *ALL* counts.

Thank you.

78 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:39:06am

re: #53 galloping granny

She is something of a lunatic, it would seem. Interesting background I see -- MS in Genetics and PhD in literature.

It's her area of study now that's bizarre -- essentially the whole point is to argue that "science" has no validity because it's a "social construct" of "patriarchy." So I guess the reason her reactions never worked, or she couldn't balance equations in advanced organic was because of the evil patriarchy.

Glad to see her students were at least paying attention and called her on that nonsense.

79 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:39:37am

re: #70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hola Lagarto's!

Happy Cinco de Mayo!

Hahahaha lagartos lol
Thanks:

80 opnion  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:39:57am

re: #14 rightside

{goddess}

This from the "Raging Obama" thread earlier, but I think it fits...

Seems to me, he wants to be judged on the color of his skin, and not the content of his character.

I heard He & Hillary speak last night at the Jefferson/Jackson dinner.
Hillary was the same old Euro socialism that you would expect.
Barry on the other hand; I have not heard that kind of Marxism since philosophy 101.
The terminology was omitted but the concepts were the same.
Hillary would bleed the middle class, Barry would go for the quick kill.

81 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:40:36am

re: #57 goddessoftheclassroom

My smarter students complain about classes where all they have to do is write about feelings. Of course the ones who want to wallow in their late adolescent angst usually try to avoid me.

82 redc1c4  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:40:49am

re: #73 MigueldowninMexico

Good night, you poor oppressed man.

/You should joint Men Lib lol

Mano, if you lived like i do, you wouldn't want to get liberated either. %-)


*really L8r*

83 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:41:27am

re: #71 MandyManners

After a winter of discontent, the snapping point came while Ms. Venkatesan was lecturing on "ecofeminism," which holds, in part, that scientific advancements benefit the patriarchy but leave women out. One student took issue, and reasonably so – actually, empirically so. But "these weren't thoughtful statements," Ms. Venkatesan protests. "They were irrational." The class thought otherwise. Following what she calls the student's "diatribe," several of his classmates applauded.

Ms. Venkatesan informed her pupils that their behavior was "fascist demagoguery." Then, after consulting a physician about "intellectual distress," she cancelled classes for a week. Thus the pending litigation.

ROFLMAO! Typical light-weight mind. "FASCIST!"

She is damned lucky her students don't sue her for breach of contract. Tuition at Dartmouth runs something on the order of $35000 per year. That figures out to a fairly hefty amount of change on a per class basis.

84 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:41:48am

re: #78 Lucius Septimius

She is something of a lunatic, it would seem. Interesting background I see -- MS in Genetics and PhD in literature.

It's her area of study now that's bizarre -- essentially the whole point is to argue that "science" has no validity because it's a "social construct" of "patriarchy." So I guess the reason her reactions never worked, or she couldn't balance equations in advanced organic was because of the evil patriarchy.

Glad to see her students were at least paying attention and called her on that nonsense.

In a few of my graduate courses, I felt like the kid in "The Emperor's New Clothes" or Alice in Wonderland--some of the literary theory stuff was nonsense.

85 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:42:37am
fascist demagoguery!


DRINK!

86 redc1c4  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:43:01am

re: #77 AmeriDan

Thank you.

de nada...... i was *just* an 11B/19D/buncha other shit-10.

87 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:43:15am

re: #72 BabbaZee

Mornin' Babba!

I have an agenda ... I want my students to be happy, thoughtful, and successful. And I also want them to have good relationships with their parents and with God.

The trick to teaching is to remember that at the end of the day, it's not about your own ego. That is more difficult that it may seem to be.

88 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:43:27am

re: #82 redc1c4

Mano, if you lived like i do, you wouldn't want to get liberated either. %-)


*really L8r*

Congratulations on that! ;)

89 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:43:49am

re: #87 Lucius Septimius

Mornin' Babba!

I have an agenda ... I want my students to be happy, thoughtful, and successful. And I also want them to have good relationships with their parents and with God.

The trick to teaching is to remember that at the end of the day, it's not about your own ego. That is more difficult that it may seem to be.

So I have heard LOL

90 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:44:03am

re: #71 MandyManners

ROFLMAO! Typical light-weight mind. "FASCIST!"

Yep. What a maroon!

91 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:44:08am

re: #85 BabbaZee

DRINK!

And I called her a Nazi.
Me culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa

92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:44:58am

Right now on the Yahoo front page is this news item...

Is Denver ready for an alien encounter?

Honestly? I don't think so. But we'll find out soon enough.

93 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:44:59am

re: #78 Lucius Septimius

She is something of a lunatic, it would seem. Interesting background I see -- MS in Genetics and PhD in literature.

It's her area of study now that's bizarre -- essentially the whole point is to argue that "science" has no validity because it's a "social construct" of "patriarchy." So I guess the reason her reactions never worked, or she couldn't balance equations in advanced organic was because of the evil patriarchy.

Glad to see her students were at least paying attention and called her on that nonsense.

Don't even get me started on the whole "girls don't do science, girls don't do math" thing. One of my girls, who is pretty brilliant mathematically (went to Smith at 16), had the misfortune to land in one of the very first "calculus for girls" classes. It so traumatized her to have to invent calculus while attempting to figure out how many pairs of shoes were in her closet that it was more than a decade before she managed to get back into math.

94 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:44:59am

re: #86 redc1c4

de nada...... i was *just* an 11B/19D/buncha other shit-10.

Way over my head.

/splain

95 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:45:07am

re: #87 Lucius Septimius

Mornin' Babba!

I have an agenda ... I want my students to be happy, thoughtful, and successful. And I also want them to have good relationships with their parents and with God.

The trick to teaching is to remember that at the end of the day, it's not about your own ego. That is more difficult that it may seem to be.

AMEN!

I'm trying to get my kids to THINK about what they read, not just accept it. Of course, getting some of them to read at all is challenge enough...

Didn't someone say that there's no difference between a man who can't read and a man who won't read?

96 opnion  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:45:32am

re: #83 galloping granny

She is damned lucky her students don't sue her for breach of contract. Tuition at Dartmouth runs something on the order of $35000 per year. That figures out to a fairly hefty amount of change on a per class basis.

Ecofeminism? WTF?
I have a niece who minored in 'Peace Studies." I asked for an overview of the material & she could not give it to me, or it was so silly that she was just embarrassed.

97 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:45:47am

Morning Babba.

98 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:46:02am

re: #92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Right now on the Yahoo front page is this news item...


Honestly? I don't think so. But we'll find out soon enough.

HA!
Aliens have been living in Denver for years now!
In huge vaults under DIA.

/Oops, spilled the beans...
//Can't help it, I'm a beaner.

99 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:47:33am

Morning Granny.

100 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:47:54am

re: #87 Lucius Septimius

Mornin' Babba!

I have an agenda ... I want my students to be happy, thoughtful, and successful. And I also want them to have good relationships with their parents and with God.

The trick to teaching is to remember that at the end of the day, it's not about your own ego. That is more difficult that it may seem to be.

I spent a number of years teaching older women returning to the workforce the hard science they needed to acquire a degree in nursing or similar fields. I always got the biggest kick out of their faces when they discovered that some of the "hardest" concepts were things they had known for years from their own kitchens.

101 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:48:57am
102 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:49:00am

re: #83 galloping granny

She is damned lucky her students don't sue her for breach of contract. Tuition at Dartmouth runs something on the order of $35000 per year. That figures out to a fairly hefty amount of change on a per class basis.

I hope they ask for legal fees in their response to her suit.

103 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:49:17am

re: #98 MigueldowninMexico

HA!
Aliens have been living in Denver for years now!
In huge vaults under DIA.

/Oops, spilled the beans...
//Can't help it, I'm a beaner.

There goes the Lizard Secret Lair.

104 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:50:06am

re: #94 AmeriDan

MOS's 11B is an infantry soldier I think. I only knew mine up here. Essentially his jobs in the army.

105 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:50:08am

re: #90 Lucius Septimius

Yep. What a maroon!

She sounds like an incredibly spoiled brat.

106 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:50:24am

re: #91 MigueldowninMexico

And I called her a Nazi.
Me culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa

Heil!

107 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:50:27am

Got to go, dear Lizards--enjoy your Monday!

108 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:50:30am

re: #96 opnion

Ecofeminism? WTF?
I have a niece who minored in 'Peace Studies." I asked for an overview of the material & she could not give it to me, or it was so silly that she was just embarrassed.

This is exactly the reason that I am dead against parents footing the bill for college. Individuals who are paying for it on their own dime pay far more attention to the ROI and usually attempt to actually learn something.

109 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:51:36am

re: #103 AmeriDan

There goes the Lizard Secret Lair.

Darn :(

;)

110 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:51:50am

re: #104 BlueCanuck

MOS's 11B is an infantry soldier I think. I only knew mine up here. Essentially his jobs in the army.

11B10 is standard infantry. 11B something else varies. Infantry connected but specialized and not ground pounders.

111 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:52:26am

re: #106 BabbaZee

Heil!

And thunder!

Hahahaha ;)

112 opnion  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:53:58am

re: #108 galloping granny

This is exactly the reason that I am dead against parents footing the bill for college. Individuals who are paying for it on their own dime pay far more attention to the ROI and usually attempt to actually learn something.

Critical thinking at the university level seems to be frowned upon.
Group think is in vogue.

113 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:54:38am

re: #102 MandyManners

I hope they ask for legal fees in their response to her suit.

Saying you're going to file and actually doing so are two different things. Dartmouth may be a lunatic asylum, rather anti-semitic, and a general nut house, but in other ways the area is pretty conservative. I can't see any local attorney taking such a moonbat suit on unless she has millions to finance the thing. Not to mention I think she would have to go pretty far even to find an attorney with no connection to Dartmouth.

114 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:54:48am

re: #108 galloping granny

This is exactly the reason that I am dead against parents footing the bill for college. Individuals who are paying for it on their own dime pay far more attention to the ROI and usually attempt to actually learn something.

I've taught at different kinds of schools where parents paid tuition, and at others where students payed it themselves.
The difference is very obvious. The latter study/work more.

115 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:54:53am

{BabbaZee}

Always the perfect video from you. I may be AmeriDan, but in the non-AlBore intertubes world, I'm Danny.

And yes the pipes are calling.

116 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:55:09am

re: #110 galloping granny

Meh, take away all their fancy toys and everyone is a grunt. :)

/only thing that gave us joy.

117 littleoldlady  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:55:23am

re: #96 opnion

Ecofeminism? WTF?
I have a niece who minored in 'Peace Studies." I asked for an overview of the material & she could not give it to me, or it was so silly that she was just embarrassed.

My personal favorite is the (white, Jewish) kid who recently graduated from Haverford College ($$$$$) having taken "five or six black centric courses". When I asked him exactly what career path necessitated a curriculum like that, his answer was, "I took them because they interested me. I thought that's what college is about..."

118 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:55:32am

re: #112 opnion

Critical thinking at the university level seems to be frowned upon.
Group think is in vogue.

Eins! Zwei! Drei! Vier!

119 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:56:13am

re: #112 opnion

Critical thinking at the university level seems to be frowned upon.
Group think is in vogue.

That is what they are being taught from the day they enter kindergarten, with some few exceptions like the area Goddess teaches in. "we are all the same. . . . . there is no such thing as talent or "smart" . . . . . never give offense . . . . . . . NO TOLERANCE!"

120 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:56:38am

re: #105 MandyManners

She sounds like an incredibly spoiled brat.

Bingo.

How's the Kid this morning? Still trafficking in contraband?

121 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:57:20am

re: #117 littleoldlady

My personal favorite is the (white, Jewish) kid who recently graduated from Haverford College ($$$$$) having taken "five or six black centric courses". When I asked him exactly what career path necessitated a curriculum like that, his answer was, "I took them because they interested me. I thought that's what college is about..."

I remember that.
Would you mind telling us how much that capriccio cost him?

122 littleoldlady  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:58:08am

re: #121 MigueldowninMexico

EASILY $200,000.

/The Rich Are Different

123 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:58:26am

re: #114 MigueldowninMexico

I've taught at different kinds of schools where parents paid tuition, and at others where students payed it themselves.
The difference is very obvious. The latter study/work more.

I went back to college about the time I turned 40. Absolutely flabbergasting.

124 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:58:34am

re: #122 littleoldlady

EASILY $200,000.

/The Rich Are Different

Very

different.

125 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:59:14am

re: #111 MigueldowninMexico

And thunder!

Hahahaha ;)

And Lightning !

LOLOLOLOLOL!

126 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:59:20am

re: #117 littleoldlady

My personal favorite is the (white, Jewish) kid who recently graduated from Haverford College ($$$$$) having taken "five or six black centric courses". When I asked him exactly what career path necessitated a curriculum like that, his answer was, "I took them because they interested me. I thought that's what college is about..."

They provided necessary skills for functioning in an increasing diverse world, or at least that's the BS rationale we're always being given for offering those sorts of classes.

127 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:59:34am

re: #123 galloping granny

I went back to college about the time I turned 40. Absolutely flabbergasting.

HUGE difference to the younger years right?
That's when one is really interested in learning.

128 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:59:46am

re: #115 AmeriDan

The pipes are ALWAYS calling!
;~}

129 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:00:30am

re: #113 galloping granny

Saying you're going to file and actually doing so are two different things. Dartmouth may be a lunatic asylum, rather anti-semitic, and a general nut house, but in other ways the area is pretty conservative. I can't see any local attorney taking such a moonbat suit on unless she has millions to finance the thing. Not to mention I think she would have to go pretty far even to find an attorney with no connection to Dartmouth.

All she has to do is find a moonbat attorney who hates Dartmouth. I'm sure they're out there.

130 opnion  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:00:40am

Peter Ducey (son of Steve) is moderating a student focus group with Villanova students right now on Fox.
The question was did Obama distance from Wright for political reasons?
One kid turned himself into a pretzel trying to rationalize for Barry.
It was all "I feel" He was followed by another kid who said 'Of course he did."

131 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:00:40am

re: #125 BabbaZee

And Lightning !

LOLOLOLOLOL!

Hahahaha Babba!
You have a link for every thing! LOL

132 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:00:57am

re: #126 Lucius Septimius

They provided necessary skills for functioning in an increasing diverse world, or at least that's the BS rationale we're always being given for offering those sorts of classes.

The must mean that it attuned him to sit calmly through a diatribe like the Good Reverend Wright's and simply accept his guilt while shouting Hallelujah!

133 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:01:05am

re: #127 MigueldowninMexico

HUGE difference to the younger years right?
That's when one is really interested in learning.

I teach both traditional and "non-traditional" students. There is a profound difference, though I must say that in each group, there are still people who shouldn't be in college -- it's not for everybody.

134 sparrowlake  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:01:07am

re: #81 Lucius Septimius

My smarter students complain about classes where all they have to do is write about feelings. Of course the ones who want to wallow in their late adolescent angst usually try to avoid me.

I am not a teacher but I have a slightly different take.
If what I hear and see is true, then our society is experiencing a literacy crisis. Given the low levels of literacy among our youth, including the difficulty many have in expressing themselves, I would encourage educators to focus more on imparting the basic communication skills such as grammar, spelling and organization, and to worry less about the subject matter of the writing. My pet peeve is the poor and sloppy writing skills all too oftern exhibited even by those who have university degrees and are obviously intelligent. I always encouraged my own kids to read, read, read, and to write about anything - but to do it well.

136 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:01:37am

re: #132 galloping granny

The must mean that it attuned him to sit calmly through a diatribe like the Good Reverend Wright's and simply accept his guilt while shouting Hallelujah!

Gold star for you, granny!

137 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:01:52am

re: #131 MigueldowninMexico

Hahahaha Babba!
You have a link for every thing! LOL

A very agreeable song! :)

139 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:02:31am

re: #133 Lucius Septimius

I teach both traditional and "non-traditional" students. There is a profound difference, though I must say that in each group, there are still people who shouldn't be in college -- it's not for everybody.

Agreed.

140 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:02:35am

re: #110 galloping granny

11B10 is standard infantry. 11B something else varies. Infantry connected but specialized and not ground pounders.

Note to self... don't piss off red

141 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:03:42am
142 littleoldlady  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:03:46am

Miguel,

Just looked it up.

2008-2009 Costs

* Tuition
$37,175
* Room and Board
$11,450
* Student Activity Fee
$350
* Total:
$48,975

In addition, first year students must add a $180 Orientation Fee making the yearly budget $51,817.

And that, of course, doesn't include all the "extras"...

143 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:04:16am

re: #134 sparrowlake

True, though having them write about something and pay attention to the material is a way of avoiding having them just write about feelings -- if they have to focus on analyzing evidence there is not so much room for gushing about this or that. And in the process, they have to learn how to frame their ideas in proper form -- in my courses, at least, half of the grade is on form.

Creative writing is a whole different bag, and I wish they insisted on good grammar there as well.

144 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:04:41am

re: #127 MigueldowninMexico

HUGE difference to the younger years right?
That's when one is really interested in learning.

I think the biggest difference was that I had gained a tremendous number of organizational skills and intense juggling ability over 20 years of marriage, work and 4 daughters - all of whom were teens when I went back to school as a single mother who worked full time to boot. I could accomplish in a few hours what the kids I went to school with could not get done in a month. (Of course I was not distracted by mixers, frat parties and the latest rent party.)

145 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:04:53am

re: #142 littleoldlady

Miguel,

And that, of course, doesn't include all the "extras"...

Like dope ...

146 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:05:32am

re: #134 sparrowlake

I am not a teacher but I have a slightly different take.
If what I hear and see is true, then our society is experiencing a literacy crisis. Given the low levels of literacy among our youth, including the difficulty many have in expressing themselves, I would encourage educators to focus more on imparting the basic communication skills such as grammar, spelling and organization, and to worry less about the subject matter of the writing. My pet peeve is the poor and sloppy writing skills all too oftern exhibited even by those who have university degrees and are obviously intelligent. I always encouraged my own kids to read, read, read, and to write about anything - but to do it well.

I agree with you.

d txt kills lang.

Kids here are losing the use of hard "c". It's all k: kiero un tako.
Ugh!

And I found out yesterday that the national average in Mexico is 7 books a year per person.
People don't read. And write badly, yes.

147 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:05:34am

re: #117 littleoldlady

My personal favorite is the (white, Jewish) kid who recently graduated from Haverford College ($$$$$) having taken "five or six black centric courses". When I asked him exactly what career path necessitated a curriculum like that, his answer was, "I took them because they interested me. I thought that's what college is about..."

Sounds fine to me. Sometimes knowledge is just to be gathered.

148 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:06:17am

re: #144 galloping granny

I'm amazed by folks I have who come from working full time and then taking classes, sometimes two a night. They'll be in class from 6 to almost 11 at night and are still going strong. I don't know where they get the energy.

149 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:06:44am

re: #120 Lucius Septimius

He's perfect! Of course, he's still sound asleep.

150 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:07:20am

re: #133 Lucius Septimius

I teach both traditional and "non-traditional" students. There is a profound difference, though I must say that in each group, there are still people who shouldn't be in college -- it's not for everybody.

Tell THAT to any college around these days! I happen to agree with you. Even among my non-traditionals, who would put in slave labor to ace the anatomy class they needed for a seat in nursing, there were some who just could not learn at that level, no matter what.

151 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:07:32am

re: #149 MandyManners

He's perfect! Of course, he's still sound asleep.

They're always so cute when they're sleeping. Then they get up and start making demands and the buzz wears off.

152 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:08:39am

re: #142 littleoldlady

Miguel,

Just looked it up.


And that, of course, doesn't include all the "extras"...

I'm going to start a charity.
To help poor Third World 59 y/o men.
If I hit a few fellows like that with a yearly contribution, I'm all set.
LOLOLOL!

What's that kid's addy?
LOL

153 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:09:31am

re: #150 galloping granny

I had a woman in class who had a checkered academic past -- started as a traditional student, flunked out, lived on the wild side for a while, finally at around 40 came back to school and after a couple of rocky terms finally got her act together and graduated with honors. Very smart, very attractive, but some real attitude problems.

At graduation I met her dad -- he was a professor. Hmmmm ....

154 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:09:33am

re: #128 BabbaZee

The pipes are ALWAYS calling!
;~}

If you were wondering, the latest music vid I can't find at YouTube that I would like to see is...

George Strait... "I saw God today".

Just an FYI.

155 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:09:43am

re: #145 Lucius Septimius

Like dope ...

Change!
I mean, Obama.

156 littleoldlady  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:09:52am

re: #147 MandyManners

Sounds fine to me. Sometimes knowledge is just to be gathered.

Sure, but a couple of books from Amazon would have been cheaper.

157 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:10:42am

re: #142 littleoldlady

Miguel,

Just looked it up.

And that, of course, doesn't include all the "extras"...

Or books. A single science text these days is $100 minimum. Not including the lab book or study guide. The better ones run to $200+. Stick the word "medicine" on something and increase the price by $50. Math is running $100 or more too. Financial aid allows $450 per year for books. My girls are spending that per class for some classes.

158 Irish Rose  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:11:13am

Did anyone catch this little gem from the "angry Barry" thread last night?

James Pickens is typical of those who have been inspired by the black senator from Illinois. A reformed crack cocaine dealer, he is now peddling Obama T-shirts.

Mr Pickens, 50, has served three prison terms totalling 13 years, but vowed to change his ways after hearing Mr Obama speak.

He said: "I never voted for a president before. He's for change, which is something I need in my life. Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling T-shirts."

Another typical wretched soul saved, by the Obamessiah!

159 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:11:34am

re: #134 sparrowlake

not an accident.

160 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:12:37am

re: #157 galloping granny

Or books. A single science text these days is $100 minimum. Not including the lab book or study guide. The better ones run to $200+. Stick the word "medicine" on something and increase the price by $50. Math is running $100 or more too. Financial aid allows $450 per year for books. My girls are spending that per class for some classes.

Wow!

161 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:13:11am

re: #154 AmeriDan

If you were wondering, the latest music vid I can't find at YouTube that I would like to see is...

George Strait... "I saw God today".

Just an FYI.


I know ZERO about country music beyond the 1970's.

And very little before that.

First time I am ever hearing this song.

162 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:13:42am

re: #151 Lucius Septimius

They're always so cute when they're sleeping. Then they get up and start making demands and the buzz wears off.

Sometimes it's hard to remember that he's the same peson who was my little, sweet bundle a few years ago.

163 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:14:00am

re: #159 BabbaZee


not an accident.

Babba, that's a VERY interesting site.
I'm bookmarking it to read at ease.
thanks a lot!

164 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:14:24am
165 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:14:38am

re: #163 MigueldowninMexico

{miguel}

166 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:14:57am

AmeriDan ~ I love your George Strait song!

167 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:15:31am

re: #148 Lucius Septimius

I'm amazed by folks I have who come from working full time and then taking classes, sometimes two a night. They'll be in class from 6 to almost 11 at night and are still going strong. I don't know where they get the energy.

Coffee. Very strong, very black. When I was in school I slept about 45 minutes a night, attended class from 8-3 or so, spent a couple hours with the girls and snuck in a half hour nap, ran the computer lab until 2 am four nights a week and then started all over again. Towards the end I happened to have to have a physical for my clinical rotations. The doctor asked how much coffee I drank, so I asked her "Do you remember medical school? That much." That was explanation enough. About once every 3 weeks I would end up sleeping for 24 hours or so.

168 Widow'smight  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:15:37am

re: #156 littleoldlady

Got a package for you sunshine, some white, some lavender.

Is the Mean, nasty one home yet?

169 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:15:37am

re: #158 Irish Rose

Typical crack dealer?

All hail Obama!

Take that typical white government CIA conspiracies!

170 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:16:30am

re: #156 littleoldlady

Sure, but a couple of books from Amazon would have been cheaper.

I doubt it would've been the same. Gotta' take something to fill in those electives.

171 sparrowlake  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:16:35am

re: #159 BabbaZee


not an accident.

lol. Ignorance and mental sloth are the opiates of the masses?
Good morning Babba.

172 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:17:45am

re: #164 BabbaZee

What happens when they take your words away

Do you like Ayn Rand Babba?
I don't know what to think of her.

173 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:18:16am

re: #171 sparrowlake

lol. Ignorance and mental sloth are the opiates of the masses?
Good morning Babba.

{Sparrow}

Pretty much.
Take the WORD out of the mouth
and one can no longer rationally think or speak.
Makes it much easier to own you.

174 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:19:15am

re: #161 BabbaZee

I know ZERO about country music beyond the 1970's.

And very little before that.

First time I am ever hearing this song.

I love you, in a Lizard way. Thanks.

Glad you liked the song.

True inspiration

BRB, gotta go watch it again.

Thank You!

175 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:20:06am

Speaking of ignorance and mental sloth, time for me to go administer a final exam. I haven't had any last minute panicky emails, which suggests to me no one studied. I wonder who won't bother to show up.

Have a great day, ya'll. Keep it Obama!

176 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:20:34am

re: #153 Lucius Septimius

I had a woman in class who had a checkered academic past -- started as a traditional student, flunked out, lived on the wild side for a while, finally at around 40 came back to school and after a couple of rocky terms finally got her act together and graduated with honors. Very smart, very attractive, but some real attitude problems.

At graduation I met her dad -- he was a professor. Hmmmm ....

That isn't particularly surprising to me. One of my daughters dated the son of a high official in the state police during her high school years. The first thing that kid did when turned loose on the world far away from home was sell drugs over the internet (no world wide web back then.)

For that matter, my mother (teacher) forced me to go to college at 17. I went. I majored in smokers and frat parties. I flunked every class except American History, which I could not fail if I tried, and then I came home, got married and went to Europe for a few years. The going to Europe part was what I wanted to do instead of college - didn't know what I wanted to be when I grew up. I did end up acquiring a couple of degrees here and there, but would have done so much sooner if left to my own devices.

177 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:21:15am

re: #167 galloping granny

I love coffee, but I love sleep more. That third of my life I spend horizontal and unconscious is precious. Having kids only strengthened that feeling.

Good on you keeping it up, though.

178 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:21:43am

re: #168 Widow'smight

Got a package for you sunshine, some white, some lavender.

Is the Mean, nasty one home yet?

Are you giving away more of your garden? I can't wait for it to get warm enough overnights here to plant the cana.

179 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:22:13am

re: #176 galloping granny

Hell, I still don't know what I want to be when I grow up. Pretty soon, I won't have to worry about it any more.

180 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:22:26am

Ok lizards. Got to go now.
Good bye and God bless all :)

181 freetoken  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:22:55am

re: #160 MigueldowninMexico

Wow!

On textbooks... it is such a racket.

The American publishers work with the colleges to produce the required texts... now the professors don't normally make much money - they aren't getting rich writing texts. However, in so many subjects the reality is that for undergraduate classes a new text every year or two simply is not needed (obviously contemporary studies in politics, for example, do need regularly updated texts, and upper division/graduate classes in bio-engineering, etc.)

Classic case is foreign languages. E.g., in Japanese I know that several "top tier" American schools pick the texts from the American publishers, which as, >$100 for simple beginner level texts. However, publishers in Japan (naturally enough) produce the best texts on the subject... but only charge circa $40 or $50 for their books....

Well, anyway... I guess I was signed off once, but came back in to check out what was happening... I really need to go now...

182 littleoldlady  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:23:41am

re: #168 Widow'smight

Got a package for you sunshine, some white, some lavender.

Is the Mean, nasty one home yet?

KEWL! I'm almost done cleaning up that part of the garden!

MNT has been home. She left Hofstra after the first semester, been going to DCCC this semester (I would say as a "place holder", but it turns out I'm very impressed with our community college), and will be going to Philadelphia University in the Fall.

/back to Plan A!

183 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:24:04am

re: #177 Lucius Septimius

I love coffee, but I love sleep more. That third of my life I spend horizontal and unconscious is precious. Having kids only strengthened that feeling.

Good on you keeping it up, though.

You do what you have to do. Trust me, I like sleep. I had four teens though and it was really important to me to finish my degrees before they started in with college, so I went to school year round, never took less than 18 credit hours a semester and finished 6 years worth of work in just under 3.

I figured I could always sleep when I was old. I was wrong there. Now I have trouble staying horizontal for more than 5 hours or so.

184 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:24:07am

re: #172 MigueldowninMexico

Do you like Ayn Rand Babba?
I don't know what to think of her.

I do not like her.
I know her work well.
There is truth in it.
There is also massive amounts of bullshit in it.

Basically what she did is what many intellectual Jewish people of many stripes do and have done since Sinai

They take what they want from the TORAH
separate GOD from it
and assign the GOD position to someone or something else

in her case it was SELF
in many cases it is

in almost all of the rest
GOD becomes STATE

What she articulated IMO is also ULTIMATELY a form of totalitarianism
MOF she was in her personal life quite the little fascisti dictatress herself.

They even called their little group "the collective"
it was supposed to be ironic
and it was
just not the way she intended

There is a very fine line between her ideas and the ideas she railed against.

Disclaimer: Most people do not like this opinion of mine.

LOL

Big Ottiness!

185 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:24:18am

More and more pets are being dumped for frivolous reasons, according to the RSPCA, who last week revealed that the number of abandoned animals rose to 7,347 last year - a 23 per cent increase on the previous year.

The charity blames the figures on our "throwaway society", and exposed some of the astonishing excuses that owners use, including a cat given away because she didn't match the new carpet, and a dog who was unwanted because "she hurts my legs when she wags her tail".


SNIP

186 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:25:39am

re: #180 MigueldowninMexico

Ok lizards. Got to go now.
Good bye and God bless all :)

Enjoy Cinco de Mayo!

/runs and ducks

187 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:25:43am

re: #182 littleoldlady

KEWL! I'm almost done cleaning up that part of the garden!

MNT has been home. She left Hofstra after the first semester, been going to DCCC this semester (I would say as a "place holder", but it turns out I'm very impressed with our community college), and will be going to Philadelphia University in the Fall.

/back to Plan A!

Good to hear. Some of the very finest colleges in this country these days are community colleges. Very few of them allow moon battiness.

188 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:26:05am

re: #174 AmeriDan

right back at ye

189 ec marm  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:26:40am

'Muslim callous' conspicuous on forehead of two of the three muslim garb wearing, cop-killing bank robbers in Philadelphia. Score to date:
One in custody
One dispatched to allah/stan
One still on the run

190 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:26:58am

re: #179 Lucius Septimius

Hell, I still don't know what I want to be when I grow up. Pretty soon, I won't have to worry about it any more.

That is about the size of it.

191 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:27:22am

re: #183 galloping granny

You do what you have to do. Trust me, I like sleep. I had four teens though and it was really important to me to finish my degrees before they started in with college, so I went to school year round, never took less than 18 credit hours a semester and finished 6 years worth of work in just under 3.

I figured I could always sleep when I was old. I was wrong there. Now I have trouble staying horizontal for more than 5 hours or so.

Reminds me of the attorney I interned with. He had a Ph.D. in child psychology. He attended University of Denver's night school program five year course in three years while maintaining a full roster of patients.

192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:27:39am

re: #150 galloping granny

Tell THAT to any college around these days! I happen to agree with you. Even among my non-traditionals, who would put in slave labor to ace the anatomy class they needed for a seat in nursing, there were some who just could not learn at that level, no matter what.

This quote from Caddyshack...

Danny Noonan: I planned to go to law school after I graduated, but it looks like my folks won't have enough money to put me through college.
Judge Smails: Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too.

A lot of truth to that. Though the line was meant to illustrate the judge's snobbery.

With good enough grades, anyone can go to college. Money is not relevant.

Fortunately, I realized that I wasn't college material before anyone spent the first nickel on my attending.

193 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:28:36am

re: #189 ec marm

'Muslim callous' conspicuous on forehead of two of the three muslim garb wearing, cop-killing bank robbers in Philadelphia. Score to date:
One in custody
One dispatched to allah/stan
One still on the run

I wonder if they're NOI or regular Muslims.

194 Killer Tomato  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:30:30am

Well, there's a vast difference between being educated and being intelligent.

Thanks to everyone who kept me in their thoughts and prayers! I'm heading to work in just a bit. Driving ought to be fun with 20 staples in. ouch! But, I'm upright and still breathing!

195 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:30:53am

re: #194 Killer Tomato

Great to hear!

196 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:30:58am

re: #189 ec marm

'Muslim callous' conspicuous on forehead of two of the three muslim garb wearing, cop-killing bank robbers in Philadelphia. Score to date:
One in custody
One dispatched to allah/stan
One still on the run

You know, I cannot recall ever seeing the "muslim callous" before the last few years. Is this something relatively new or is it just me?

197 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:31:16am

re: #188 BabbaZee

right back at ye

There you go again, spot on as always.

198 ec marm  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:31:27am

re: #193 MandyManners

I wonder if they're NOI or regular Muslims.


Seems they all have spent time in the Governors accommodation's so I guess regular. Jail = fertile breeding ground for islam.

199 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:31:34am

re: #194 Killer Tomato

Well, there's a vast difference between being educated and being intelligent.

Thanks to everyone who kept me in their thoughts and prayers! I'm heading to work in just a bit. Driving ought to be fun with 20 staples in. ouch! But, I'm upright and still breathing!

We are so glad you are!

200 Widow'smight  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:31:54am

re: #182 littleoldlady

Our oldest (my step daughter) had to be talked into staying in college after her first semester. Her Father (mussah, rissah grunt) told her to quit school and do massage therapy. She has Roomy-toid arthitis now. Anyway, after 5 years she has a special education and elementary education degree and is teaching.

Her dad borrowed the money for the 1st year, then went Bankrupt, some in a way I paid for 4 + years of her College. She has no loans to repay.

Life's a journey, and you don't have an earthly tour guide.

201 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:32:06am

re: #184 BabbaZee

I'm so glad I asked!
Thanks for that :)
Now I have a much clearer idea ;)

Ok, i'm signing off for real lol
*poof*

202 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:32:45am

re: #186 AmeriDan

Enjoy Cinco de Mayo!

/runs and ducks

Hahahaha.
Still appreciate it ;)


BYE!

203 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:33:01am

re: #194 Killer Tomato

Well, there's a vast difference between being educated and being intelligent.

Thanks to everyone who kept me in their thoughts and prayers! I'm heading to work in just a bit. Driving ought to be fun with 20 staples in. ouch! But, I'm upright and still breathing!

There is also a huge difference these days between being truly educated and owning a college degree that claims that you are. In my not very humble opinion, most college degrees these days are hard put to be worth the paper they are printed on.

204 opnion  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:34:06am

re: #202 MigueldowninMexico

Hahahaha.
Still appreciate it ;)


BYE!

Enjoy the celebration!

205 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:34:26am

Warning to the Professionally Aggrieved lurking among us:

The following link goes to some Big OT's clingy freaking honky hoopled gun totin' Jesus huggin' evangelical God mouth site so don't tell me how you need therapy now from being exposed to such Big Goy Ottiness so suddenly.

Hegelian Dialects: The Devil's Winning Tool

Hegelian dialectics is being used around the world as a tool to break down traditional beliefs with the objective of replacing them with something new.

Georg Wilhelm Hegel (1770-1831) was a liberal German philosopher who led the German Idealist movement, turning his back on orthodox Christianity and holding to a type of pantheism. He denied that there is such a thing as absolute truth. He said it is “narrow” and “dogmatic” to assume that of two opposite assertions, one must be true and the other false. He rejected the Bible and proposed that man is on an evolutionary journey and that human history is the record of a process of conflict and synthesis that he referred to as the dialectical process of Spirit, believing that man would eventually reach his highest state, ultimately arriving at “the Absolute Idea” which would be so perfect it could not be challenged or synthesized.

The Hegelian system is described as follows:

“It was Hegel’s view that all things unfold in a continuing evolutionary process whereby each idea or quality (the THESIS) inevitably brings forth its opposite (the ANTITHESIS). From that interaction, a third state emerges in which the opposites are integrated, overcome, and fulfilled in a richer and higher SYNTHESIS. This synthesis then becomes the basis for another dialectical process of opposition and synthesis. Hegel believed that the creative stress of opposing positions was essential for developing higher states of consciousness. In the moment of synthesis, the opposites are both preserved and transcended, negated and fulfilled” (Corinne McLaughlin and Gordon Davidson, Spiritual Politics, 1994, p. 88).

Hegel believed that this process has a life of its own, in an evolutionary sense, but since the days of Karl Marx and Frederick Engels it has been used as a guided process toward a desired end.

The objective of Hegelian dialectics in this sense is to replace something old with something new (e.g., capitalism with communism, traditional Bible doctrine with theological modernism, a traditional educational system based on moral absolutes with a new one based on relativism, an old age with a new).


Stand in the ways and see
And ask for the old paths
where the good way is
And walk in it
Then you will find rest for your souls.

But they said, ‘We will not walk in it."
~ Jeremiah 6:16

206 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:34:39am

re: #198 ec marm

Seems they all have spent time in the Governors accommodation's so I guess regular. Jail = fertile breeding ground for islam.

No NOI in prisons?

207 ec marm  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:34:45am

re: #196 galloping granny

You know, I cannot recall ever seeing the "muslim callous" before the last few years. Is this something relatively new or is it just me?


I don't know either. But it's good to know about. If I was boarding a plane with half a dozen peeps with that on their foreheads I might think twice.
The Phila. police hang out at a certain message board and they've been chatting about it. I won't mention the board cause they're saying some not so nice things and I don't want them to get into trouble.

208 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:35:18am

re: #201 MigueldowninMexico

G'night Miguelito!

209 Widow'smight  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:35:50am

re: #178 galloping granny

I'll send you a few, I have to go through the rest of containers to see what's left. I also need to get a couple more Clematis for the back fence, and 4 more Rhodi's to replace the ones that died.

Time to put the peppers in!

210 Killer Tomato  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:36:18am

re: #203 galloping granny

Some of the most clueless people I've ever known had a string of initials after their name, while some of the most brilliant people I've encountered never attended college, and in a couple of cases, didn't finish high school. The piece of paper merely tells me you spent years sitting in classrooms - doesn't mean you necessarily learned anything of any importance.

211 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:36:54am

re: #207 ec marm

I don't know either. But it's good to know about. If I was boarding a plane with half a dozen peeps with that on their foreheads I might think twice.
The Phila. police hang out at a certain message board and they've been chatting about it. I won't mention the board cause they're saying some not so nice things and I don't want them to get into trouble.

There is no question but that I would not get on the plane. Though I will not fly these days anyway.

212 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:37:26am

re: #205 BabbaZee

Hegel's great for the arrogance of youth. They want to believe that their parents' ways are out-moded and that they are destined to reveal the higher truths.

213 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:38:39am

re: #212 MandyManners

Hegel's great for the arrogance of youth. They want to believe that their parents' ways are out-moded and that they are destined to reveal the higher truths.

This is the oldest lament in the book

See Calf, Golden


lol

214 Widow'smight  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:38:53am

re: #207 ec marm


Wonder if Obama is going to say anything about those Bitter, gun-using, bible-thumping small town folks that killed that cop over the weekend.

Oh wait, they weren't small town or bible thumping, how can this be oh great one?

215 ec marm  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:39:30am

re: #206 MandyManners

No NOI in prisons?


Not so sure. If you go to a mainstream islamic search site for mosques they usually list the ones that are in jail. Not so sure they would do that for NOI.

216 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:39:48am

re: #209 Widow'smight

I'll send you a few, I have to go through the rest of containers to see what's left. I also need to get a couple more Clematis for the back fence, and 4 more Rhodi's to replace the ones that died.

Time to put the peppers in!

Oh you are so lucky! NO peppers here for another 3.5 weeks bare minimum. I would send you a Rhodi cutting but won't have any ready before fall. Though if you are into Rhodis you might check out the American Rhododendron Society. They are online, I believe they have some plants you can buy, but they also have a seed sale - very inexpensive, but you have to wait a couple of years for the plants of course.

217 opnion  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:40:00am

Fare thee well, Dear lizards.I must take my leave.
Go thee forth in to the world and slapaeth sense into liberals.
For it is written that Lizards rule!

218 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:40:44am

re: #217 opnion

Fare thee well, Dear lizards.I must take my leave.
Go thee forth in to the world and slapaeth sense into liberals.
For it is written that Lizards rule!



So let it be written
So let it be done

219 Widow'smight  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:40:51am

re: #210 Killer Tomato


I consider someone brilliant who can diagnose/fix a problem I have. Like the car Mechanic I go to.

220 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:41:46am

re: #192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

there is always deep truth in good comedy

221 littleoldlady  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:42:06am

re: #200 Widow'smight

It wasn't a matter of staying in college with MNT, it was THAT college. Hofstra was an (expensive!) experiment. We all learned a lot. :-(

Philadelphia University has a terrific program for what she (thinks) she wants to do. And if she changes her mind (littleoldlady loses more hair!) they have 2 or 3 programs that cover her other interests.

Otherwise, she could've gone to Temple ("She could have gone anywhere..." © Bill Cosby) and not have any outstanding loans at all when she finishes. As it is, I'm hoping it WON'T to be an amount she spends her entire working career paying off.

222 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:43:58am

re: #213 BabbaZee

This is the oldest lament in the book

See Calf, Golden


lol

Much to the chagrin of the young, there's nothing new at all.

223 Killer Tomato  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:44:51am

re: #219 Widow'smight

And plumbers, and electricians, and the list goes on and on. They make a damn good living too!

224 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:44:57am

When I was a kid it seriously chapped my hide to watch absolute morons go off to college while I worked shit jobs and starved. I wanted to go badly.

Today I am certain that having been prevented by circumstance from "higher education" was the best thing for my higher education.

LOL

225 Widow'smight  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:45:22am

re: #221 littleoldlady

As long as mom and dad love her, she'll be fine.

Have a wonderful day, you are fearfully and wonderfully made.

226 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:45:29am

re: #215 ec marm

Not so sure. If you go to a mainstream islamic search site for mosques they usually list the ones that are in jail. Not so sure they would do that for NOI.

We all know what regular Islam thinks about NOI.

227 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:46:00am

re: #219 Widow'smight

I consider someone brilliant who can diagnose/fix a problem I have. Like the car Mechanic I go to.

Yup. I have a nephew that is the most mechanically brilliant human being I've ever seen. He could take sliders off doors and disassemble/reassemble Grandpa's alarm clock before he could walk. Didn't have parents who focused him on his studies, hated school, ended up dropping out and now he is a contractor. Draws blueprints in his head. He was up here building a new deck last week and teaching the kiddo geometry I didn't know. Really neat for her to learn that math is more than numbers in a book!

228 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:46:18am

re: #226 MandyManners

We all know what regular Islam thinks about NOI.

that will not prevent them from using them as they see fit, as they do with the whores of Gramsci

229 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:47:13am

Goooooooood Morning Lizard Nation! Another 'exciting' Monday is upon us. Whoop dee damn doo!

230 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:47:31am
The enemy is anybody who’s going to get you killed, no matter which side he’s on.

— Joseph Heller


Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

231 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:47:38am

FOUR THOUSAND PEOPLE DEAD IN BURMA?

232 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:48:11am

re: #221 littleoldlady

It wasn't a matter of staying in college with MNT, it was THAT college. Hofstra was an (expensive!) experiment. We all learned a lot. :-(

Philadelphia University has a terrific program for what she (thinks) she wants to do. And if she changes her mind (littleoldlady loses more hair!) they have 2 or 3 programs that cover her other interests.

Otherwise, she could've gone to Temple ("She could have gone anywhere..." © Bill Cosby) and not have any outstanding loans at all when she finishes. As it is, I'm hoping it WON'T to be an amount she spends her entire working career paying off.

I'm hoping it won't be an amount that YOU will spend the next twenty years paying off. My SIL's mother made the mistake of signing for the student loans for her two younger sons (SIL went the military route.) She and hubby are selling the house they have owned outright for more than two decades to pay off the student loans because the dead beat kids won't/can't pay so she must.

233 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:48:12am
234 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:48:32am

re: #230 storagemanager

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Amen!

235 Irish Rose  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:48:33am

re: #230 storagemanager

Good morning to you, storage.

236 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:48:45am

re: #231 MandyManners

FOUR THOUSAND PEOPLE DEAD IN BURMA?

huh?

237 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:48:49am

re: #228 BabbaZee

that will not prevent them from using them as they see fit, as they do with the whores of Gramsci

I wish they could see that.

238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:49:33am

re: #231 MandyManners

FOUR THOUSAND PEOPLE DEAD IN BURMA?

Wouldn't surprise me at all. Yesterday, read up on the "country" and it is a hell hole without a natural disaster. Oh goodness. Where did you see 4,000?

239 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:49:53am

re: #236 BabbaZee

The cyclone.

240 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:50:02am

re: #231 MandyManners
Big Cyclone, which is another name for a typhoon. Large tidal surge, lots of flooding. It is the same type of storm that hits India or Bangladesh and drowns so many because of the low lying countryside.

241 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:50:11am

re: #238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wouldn't surprise me at all. Yesterday, read up on the "country" and it is a hell hole without a natural disaster. Oh goodness. Where did you see 4,000?

Fox just now.

242 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:50:16am

re: #239 MandyManners

Oh

243 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:50:29am
In sweeping comments before Israel's 60th anniversary, President Shimon Peres has compared the Iranian nuclear threat to Hitler's Germany. He says talking to Hamas would be like talking to a wall. And his birthday wish for Israel is for it to lead the world in science.

Peres says he wants his country to be "as old as the Ten Commandments and as new as nano-technology."

As for Iran, Peres says the combination of fanatic leadership and a nuclear bomb would be a "nightmare for the world."

"In a way it's more complicated than in the time of the Nazis," he said Monday. "Hitler didn't have a nuclear bomb."

The 84-year-old president says talking to Hamas militants would be like "having a dialogue with the wall."

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

244 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:50:44am

re: #240 pingjockey

Big Cyclone, which is another name for a typhoon. Large tidal surge, lots of flooding. It is the same type of storm that hits India or Bangladesh and drowns so many because of the low lying countryside.

It's like one big beach until you hit the mountains.

245 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:50:49am

re: #224 BabbaZee

When I was a kid it seriously chapped my hide to watch absolute morons go off to college while I worked shit jobs and starved. I wanted to go badly.

Today I am certain that having been prevented by circumstance from "higher education" was the best thing for my higher education.

LOL

The University of Hard Knocks taught you far more than you would have learned elsewhere. Fifty or sixty years ago there might have been a place for going to college just for the sake of learning. These days, with college costing as much as a mortgage on a decent house in most of the country, not so much. The ROI for most majors is somewhere in the toilet.

246 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:50:49am

re: #233 BabbaZee
Thank you Babba!

247 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:51:17am

'ello there folks.

damn early callouts, ugh

been up since 4 in the morning and its 2:50 PM now

248 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:51:23am

re: #235 Irish Rose

Good morning to you, storage.


Good morning Rose.

249 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:52:21am

re: #247 Hengineer

I badly wanted to sleep a bit more but, my body said otherwise.

250 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:52:52am

re: #245 galloping granny

The University of Hard Knocks taught you far more than you would have learned elsewhere. Fifty or sixty years ago there might have been a place for going to college just for the sake of learning. These days, with college costing as much as a mortgage on a decent house in most of the country, not so much. The ROI for most majors is somewhere in the toilet.

Depends. Technical degrees and those going just for a bachelor's education get a pretty decent ROI, I know I am.

I paid off my student loans within 6 months on my first ship.

251 littleoldlady  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:52:54am

re: #231 MandyManners

OY! :-(

re: #232 galloping granny

She is an only child. She inherits everything. If I have to pay off her loans there will be nothing to inherit.

/it all comes out in the wash. ;-)

Truthfully, of all her many faults, default is not likely to be one of them.

252 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:53:17am

re: #249 MandyManners

I badly wanted to sleep a bit more but, my body said otherwise.

just 5 more minutes mom!

253 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:53:27am

The death tolls are always high in places like that from weather disasters

like when a tornado hits a trailer park, the death count is always worse because the structures can not withstand the torment at all, nowhere to hide

most of the shacks they live in in Burma make a trailer look like a well built mansion

so that kind of stuff is easily destroyed by weather

three little pigs,
house of straw vs house of bricks
and all that

254 littleoldlady  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:54:17am

Oh yikes. I have to go...

Good day, ALL!™

255 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:54:22am

re: #244 MandyManners
Yep. I also found out why so many are killed in train wrecks over there. We were in Sri Lanka, and this train was going by the hotel. I thought it was piled willy nilly with bales of cotton. Nope, people. People in between the cars, on top of the cars, hanging on the sides. Damndest display of mass transit I have ever seen.

256 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:54:35am

re: #254 littleoldlady

Oh yikes. I have to go...

Good day, ALL!™


cya later lol!

257 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:55:25am

re: #245 galloping granny

I had the same books they had.
All the info, no agenda

lol

258 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:55:49am

re: #255 pingjockey

Yep. I also found out why so many are killed in train wrecks over there. We were in Sri Lanka, and this train was going by the hotel. I thought it was piled willy nilly with bales of cotton. Nope, people. People in between the cars, on top of the cars, hanging on the sides. Damndest display of mass transit I have ever seen.

Have you ever seen the way they pack ferries in third world countries too?

No wonder so many of them capsize and lose a few hundred people. Overloaded with PEOPLE, cars, baggage, cargo that its top-heavy.

259 abolitionist  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:55:53am

re: #224 BabbaZee

When I was a kid it seriously chapped my hide to watch absolute morons go off to college while I worked shit jobs and starved. I wanted to go badly.

Today I am certain that having been prevented by circumstance from "higher education" was the best thing for my higher education.

LOL

Suppose it's like the Plague being a life-changing event for Isaac Newton and his self-directed education.

Good morning, Babba.

260 vagabond trader  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:56:09am

So, Hil and the Obama are now panting after the Jewish vote. Sickening.

261 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:56:34am

re: #251 littleoldlady

OY! :-(

re: #232 galloping granny

She is an only child. She inherits everything. If I have to pay off her loans there will be nothing to inherit.

/it all comes out in the wash. ;-)

Truthfully, of all her many faults, default is not likely to be one of them.

My only regret about college is getting a degree in journalism. It was a hard course of study but, I had no idea how perverted the profession would become.

262 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:57:04am

re: #252 Hengineer

just 5 more minutes mom!

The Kid's become an expert in this.

263 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:57:25am

re: #259 abolitionist

Suppose it's like the Plague being a life-changing event for Isaac Newton and his self-directed education.

Good morning, Babba.

{abolitionist}

have you ever seen this movie?

The plague changes the protagonists life in this flick too

Excellent movie IMO

264 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:57:34am

re: #261 MandyManners

My only regret about college is getting a degree in journalism. It was a hard course of study but, I had no idea how perverted the profession would become.

I saw a story on (CNN? Fox News?) a bit ago, it was a story that was saying entry level jobs are paying a tad more than they used to for college grads.

I noticed computer science/engineering majors paid the most.

The least? Liberal Arts and Journalism

265 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:57:43am

re: #258 Hengineer
Always severely overloaded. They keep putting them on until it is stuffed full.

266 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:58:03am

re: #262 MandyManners

The Kid's become an expert in this.

KidManners?

or is that an oxymoron? ^_^

267 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:58:26am

re: #255 pingjockey

Yep. I also found out why so many are killed in train wrecks over there. We were in Sri Lanka, and this train was going by the hotel. I thought it was piled willy nilly with bales of cotton. Nope, people. People in between the cars, on top of the cars, hanging on the sides. Damndest display of mass transit I have ever seen.

Gives one pause to complain about all the regulations laid down by our government.

268 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:58:51am

re: #267 MandyManners

Gives one pause to complain about all the regulations laid down by our government.

indeed

269 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:59:31am

I get the dog back today...dang I missed her.

270 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:59:50am

re: #269 storagemanager

I get the dog back today...dang I missed her.

woof!

271 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:59:50am

re: #264 Hengineer

I saw a story on (CNN? Fox News?) a bit ago, it was a story that was saying entry level jobs are paying a tad more than they used to for college grads.

I noticed computer science/engineering majors paid the most.

The least? Liberal Arts and Journalism

Why do you think there are so many Democrats on the job?

272 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:59:53am
273 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:59:55am

re: #250 Hengineer

Depends. Technical degrees and those going just for a bachelor's education get a pretty decent ROI, I know I am.

I paid off my student loans within 6 months on my first ship.

Technical degrees have a decent ROI at the Bachelor's level. A BS in Psychology, on the other hand, will buy you minimum wage at McDonald's. And of course one must consider whether one is attending a California community college at a couple of hundred bucks a semester, or an Ivy League, at close to $40K a year just for tuition.

You were very lucky - or had very low student loans.

274 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:00:35am

wtf callout is an hour early....

heh captain doesn't want to pay people overtime (despite the fact that its operations budget, and not maintenance and repair budget...operations budget is pretty much "free" money)

275 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:00:40am

re: #266 Hengineer

KidManners?

or is that an oxymoron? ^_^

What can I say? I'm the one who taught him how to do arm-pit farts.

276 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:00:43am

re: #267 MandyManners
It does may you think a little about over regulation. In other news the Nat'l Park Service says they will change the Flight 93 memorial design. Damn idiots had a "Crescent of Embrace". I swear 3/4s of govt. employees are idiots.

277 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:01:06am
“My immigrant vagina is angry” and other militant May Day moments

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

278 abolitionist  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:01:33am

re: #263 BabbaZee

No, I've not seen Restoration (1995). Sounds good. Thanks for the recommendation.

279 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:01:36am

re: #268 Hengineer

While I don't like the Nanny State, sometimes rules are for a good reason.

280 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:03:02am

re: #276 pingjockey

It does may you think a little about over regulation. In other news the Nat'l Park Service says they will change the Flight 93 memorial design. Damn idiots had a "Crescent of Embrace". I swear 3/4s of govt. employees are idiots.

I read something about that here yesterday. Is the change for the good?

281 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:03:03am

Listening to a tape on Marx & Hegel, it struck me how their entire philosophy wraps around the concept of a "World Spirit" rushing through the stream of history, ever evolving, and how we must participate with THAT SPIRIT.

STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!

Check this out:

[Link: www.froyd.net...]

Hegel thought Spirit had a purpose, or goal, and that development occurred dialectically. His system explained all of human history as the actualization of Spirit. Spirit, in its actualization was, and is, dependent on particular individuals. Spirit needs to see itself in its creations to come to know itself. Reciprocally, particular individuals are dependent on Spirit because it is the driving force for freedom. All of history is necessary, so all change that occurs to individuals is also necessary. All history and progress of Spirit is progress toward the freedom of all humans.

THE FUCKING SERPENT! Promising freedom while enslaving through evil and totalitarianism.

282 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:03:09am

re: #273 galloping granny

Technical degrees have a decent ROI at the Bachelor's level. A BS in Psychology, on the other hand, will buy you minimum wage at McDonald's. And of course one must consider whether one is attending a California community college at a couple of hundred bucks a semester, or an Ivy League, at close to $40K a year just for tuition.

You were very lucky - or had very low student loans.

-chuckle-

Well sort of. My parents set up a trust fund for me (around $40k by the time I started college), and I ended up getting a student loan anyway, owed around $26k? As I said I paid it off in 6 months on my first ship.

I graduated with a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering from The California Maritime Academy. I also obtained a US Coast Guard 3rd Assistant Engineer's License to sail on Steam, Motor, or Gas Turbine vessels of any horsepower (kind of like a driver's license, but for ships @ sea).

Merchant Mariners make a damn good living.

283 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:03:29am
And his analysis ignores the Shi`a movement in several other Arab countries, most notably Yemen, whose popluation is not much smaller than Saudi Arabia's (23 million to about 27 million), of which a large minority--perhaps as high as 40%--is Shi`ite, of the Zaydi persuasion. Yes, few people even know about the Zaydi, or Fiver, branch of Shi`ism but it was the official religion of Yemen for a millennium or so, until 1962's republican take-over. The disenfranchised Zaydi Shi`a took up arms some years ago, under the leadership of one Abd al-Malik (or Husayn) al-Houthi, and over this past weekend 19 Yemenis were reported killed in clashes between "rebel" Shi`i forces and government troops ([Link: www.africasia.com...]
Yemen is strategically located on the Arabian peninsula and is right across from the Horn of Africa. Before we consign the "Shi`a Crescent" to chimerical status, Yemen needs to be factored into the equation.

[Link: www.mahdiwatch.org...]

284 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:03:40am

re: #275 MandyManners

What can I say? I'm the one who taught him how to do arm-pit farts.

/high five.

You are one cool mom.

285 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:03:41am

re: #277 storagemanager

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

Ah, yes. The angry vagina. Does it have a monologue or a diatribe?

286 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:04:11am

re: #280 MandyManners
It is going to be a circle, I don't know if it is better, but at least it isn't a crescent!

287 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:04:22am

re: #285 MandyManners

Ah, yes. The angry vagina. Does it have a monologue or a diatribe?

An argument with itself.

That it loses.

288 abolitionist  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:04:46am

re: #276 pingjockey

I assume this means they'll be adding footbaths.

289 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:04:47am

re: #287 Hengineer

An argument with itself.

That it loses.

LOL!

290 Ojoe  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:04:57am
291 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:05:48am

re: #284 Hengineer

/high five.

You are one cool mom.

I had to either embrace the little boy within me or go bat-shit crazy trying to figure it all out.

292 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:05:48am

re: #278 abolitionist

No, I've not seen Restoration (1995). Sounds good. Thanks for the recommendation.

It is a visually beautiful movie as well.
The costumes and art direction are really superior.

There is nothing I don't like about that movie, MOF.

293 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:05:55am

Morning again, at work and youtube-less now.

294 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:06:10am

re: #286 pingjockey

It is going to be a circle, I don't know if it is better, but at least it isn't a crescent!

The mind boggles.

295 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:06:41am

re: #291 MandyManners

I had to either embrace the little boy within me or go bat-shit crazy trying to figure it all out.

Isn't it more fun this way?

296 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:06:43am

re: #287 Hengineer

An argument with itself.

That it loses.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm...don't quite know what to say.

297 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:06:58am

re: #288 abolitionist
That would cuase more of an uproar than they have now! Some of the victims families have sued the NPS to stop the design that used the crescent. The folks in Burma are hosed, the Useless Nitwits of Turtle Bay are on the way!

298 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:07:29am

re: #296 MandyManners

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm...don't quite know what to say.

My mom would always talk to herself and she always claimed that she was losing an argument with herself.

/shrug

the phrase stuck

299 Ojoe  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:07:40am

re: #291 MandyManners

I taught my kids to say "Please wonderful daddy" and they did for quite a while, but no longer. (They're teenagers now).

300 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:07:41am

re: #295 Hengineer

Isn't it more fun this way?

Well, there is the issue of his burping out the alphabet.

301 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:08:11am

re: #300 MandyManners

Well, there is the issue of his burping out the alphabet.

Heh, wait till he can burp on command

/scares people with his own belching skills to this day.

302 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:08:21am

re: #299 Ojoe

I taught my kids to say "Please wonderful daddy" and they did for quite a while, but no longer. (They're teenagers now).

LOL

303 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:08:39am

re: #298 Hengineer

My mom would always talk to herself and she always claimed that she was losing an argument with herself.

/shrug

the phrase stuck

I try to win arguments with myself.

304 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:09:09am

re: #303 MandyManners

I try to win arguments with myself.


How successful are you?

305 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:09:10am

re: #299 Ojoe

I taught my kids to say "Please wonderful daddy" and they did for quite a while, but no longer. (They're teenagers now).

Wish I'd thought of that one.

306 Ojoe  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:09:11am

re: #294 MandyManners

Circles are fine. Rose windows in cathedrals are circular, for instance.

307 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:09:12am

re: #300 MandyManners
That is impressive. The better half claims she had wonderfully mannered boys until we got together and I taught them all that guy stuff! Mwahaha!

308 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:09:36am

re: #282 Hengineer

-chuckle-

Well sort of. My parents set up a trust fund for me (around $40k by the time I started college), and I ended up getting a student loan anyway, owed around $26k? As I said I paid it off in 6 months on my first ship.

I graduated with a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering from The California Maritime Academy. I also obtained a US Coast Guard 3rd Assistant Engineer's License to sail on Steam, Motor, or Gas Turbine vessels of any horsepower (kind of like a driver's license, but for ships @ sea).

Merchant Mariners make a damn good living.

Yes they sure do. But you are the exception rather than the rule. And I would venture a guess that 97% or more of everybody attending college would flunk out of Mechanical Engineering in a heartbeat.

309 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:09:38am

Hegel speaks of this "World Spirit" as a god:


Pantheism is the motivating force and the core of Hegel's system. It is a grandiose idealistic pantheism, in which all existence and all history are part of God's cosmic self-development.

God is absolute spirit. But he also desires to manifest himself and to know himself. So it is part of his essence to become real, in particular material things, in individual persons and in the process of change and history. God is present and active in the real world. He acts through humans, and is conscious of himself through humans.

God embodies and develops himself first in nature, then in the rising stages of human consciousness and civilization. Human history and culture are God's working out of his self-realization in the world. Individual humans - especially the great heroes of world history - are the principal means of change, while peoples and states are the embodiment of each phase.

Hegel seems to have had an ethnocentric and egocentric view of the culmination of this great process. The German nation were the highest carriers of the wave of God's development. The bureaucratic monarchy of the Prussian type was the highest form of state. The pinnacle of philosophy - through which God at last becomes fully conscious of himself - was, implicitly, Hegel's own system.

310 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:09:41am

re: #301 Hengineer

Heh, wait till he can burp on command

/scares people with his own belching skills to this day.

Oh, he can. He's now trying to master farting on command.

311 Ojoe  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:09:53am

re: #305 MandyManners

It worked for them, I'd do more things for them when I heard that.

312 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:10:02am

re: #307 pingjockey

That is impressive. The better half claims she had wonderfully mannered boys until we got together and I taught them all that guy stuff! Mwahaha!

Just remind the better half that she DID get together with you, its a full package!

313 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:10:05am

re: #304 Hengineer

How successful are you?

Either way I get to celebrate.

314 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:10:41am

re: #306 Ojoe

Circles are fine. Rose windows in cathedrals are circular, for instance.

What go through to them? Raising hell?

315 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:10:57am

re: #310 MandyManners
That will be more difficult. You have to be at least an E-6 in the navy to pull that one off!

316 Ojoe  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:11:27am

re: #314 MandyManners

They were egotists and easily compromised

317 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:11:38am

re: #307 pingjockey

That is impressive. The better half claims she had wonderfully mannered boys until we got together and I taught them all that guy stuff! Mwahaha!

Didja' teach them how to pee off the deck? I didn't mine. It just came naturally. (Thank goodness we live in the boonies.)

318 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:12:09am

re: #310 MandyManners

Oh, he can. He's now trying to master farting on command.

Tell him its all in the relaxation of the sphincter.

I could never do it but I had a few buds @ Cal Maritime who could.

'twas disturbing.

re: #308 galloping granny

Yes they sure do. But you are the exception rather than the rule. And I would venture a guess that 97% or more of everybody attending college would flunk out of Mechanical Engineering in a heartbeat.

Well most don't try, but for those that do, the attrition rate is atrocious. My school impacted because of our ME curriculum as WELL as our USCG STCW "shipboard" classes too.
We averaged around 21 units a semester, labs only counting as 1 unit for a 3 hour lab.

319 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:12:45am

re: #306 Ojoe

Circles are fine. Rose windows in cathedrals are circular, for instance.

That depends on whether they remove the OTHER elements that make that memorial a mosque - quite literally. It has been well outlined/documented/illustrated online for a year or more.

320 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:12:48am

re: #312 Hengineer
Oh yeah! First time we went camping, her youngest, now our middle child was 4 and I did the pull my finger trick. Of course that was a huge hit!

321 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:12:50am

re: #316 Ojoe

They were egotists and easily compromised

I am a bigotist and I don't have to compromise with not one of you nappy headed people!

;~}

322 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:13:16am

Gotta' scoot! Later, Lizards.

323 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:13:46am

re: #322 MandyManners

Gotta' scoot! Later, Lizards.

Same here, had callout for UNREP an hour early.

Later lizardoids and lizardettes!

324 Ojoe  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:13:50am

re: #320 pingjockey

Camping + finger trick go well together!

325 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:14:46am

re: #317 MandyManners
We are in town, so they can't do that. The youngest used to go pee in one corner of the backyard that was screened by trees! Now he's 8 and to big to do that. He says. Wink!

327 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:15:19am

re: #323 Hengineer
Be safe!

328 Ojoe  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:15:41am
329 Irish Rose  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:15:48am

I'm off to work and errands, have a good morning folks.

330 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:15:48am

re: #326 BabbaZee
Whom is this Hegel you speak of?

331 abolitionist  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:16:11am

re: #297 pingjockey

That would cuase more of an uproar than they have now! Some of the victims families have sued the NPS to stop the design that used the crescent. The folks in Burma are hosed, the Useless Nitwits of Turtle Bay are on the way!

I just checked [Link: www.errortheory.blogspot.com...] Seems there's been some recent renewed attention in the media about the Flight93 Memorial.

Sunday, May 04, 2008
Crescent controversy on Fox News television and Fox News front page!

332 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:16:31am

Islamic Fashion Show [Link: politicalmavens.com...]

333 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:16:42am

It looks like I have had a small miracle overnight. Somehow an entire tray of tomato plants plus a few got forgotten last night. The poor things spent the night outdoors in Vermont in early May and are still alive this morning to tell the tale. Pretty amazing, since it was down to 33 when the dog woke me up around 5.

334 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:16:53am

re: #330 pingjockey

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

and the next few posts

335 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:17:22am

re: #331 abolitionist
That is how I heard about it. Yesterday morning.

336 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:19:03am

re: #334 BabbaZee
Danke shoen Babba! I have learned something today so I think I'll skip work.....Not! :(

337 The Albatross  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:19:40am

Good morning lizards! The FIL did his treatment Friday and amazingly went to the granddaughter's soccer game Saturday.

338 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:20:35am

re: #336 pingjockey

Danke shoen Babba! I have learned something today so I think I'll skip work.....Not! :(

Nihl, you Kant.

/Enlightenment, my ass.

339 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:20:36am

re: #337 The Albatross

Good morning lizards! The FIL did his treatment Friday and amazingly went to the granddaughter's soccer game Saturday.

Treatment for. . . .?

340 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:22:10am
MOGADISHU, Somalia (AP) - Tens of thousands of people rioted over high food prices in Somalia's capital Monday, hurling stones and prompting hundreds of shops to close.
An Associated Press reporter saw several people injured in the protest in Mogadishu in this Horn of Africa nation.

The protesters include women and children, who marched to protest the refusal of traders to accept old 1,000-shilling notes.

Soon after, tens of thousands of people took to the streets, hurling stones that smashed the windshields of several cars and buses. Rocks also were thrown at shops and chaos erupted at the capital's main Bakara market.

Hundreds of shops and restaurants in southern Mogadishu closed their doors for fear of looting.

Prices of rice and other food staples have been rising rapidly around the world, boosted by poor weather in some nations and rising demand. The increases have led to violent protests in Haiti and Egypt and concerns of unrest elsewhere amid profiteering and hoarding

I thought Bill fixed it. [Link: www.breitbart.com...]

341 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:22:17am

re: #338 BabbaZee
Ahhhh! Info overload! Y'all have a good day, or try to. Gotta go wake the minions up for school!

342 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:24:09am

re: #341 pingjockey

Ahhhh! Info overload! Y'all have a good day, or try to. Gotta go wake the minions up for school!

OK
I'll slow down.
LOL
No more destroying the Stannified hooplebabble of the so called great philosophers for the rest of the morning

343 mrsoc  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:24:31am

You know, this conversation doesn't help my kids.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!

344 doriangrey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:25:09am

Good morning lizards........

345 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:25:15am

Kick it...is it dead?

346 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:25:23am

re: #343 mrsoc

You know, this conversation doesn't help my kids.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!

{mrsoc!}

347 CIA Reject  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:27:35am

re: #317 MandyManners

Didja' teach them how to pee off the deck? I didn't mine. It just came naturally. (Thank goodness we live in the boonies.)

As the sole male who for years shared a house with A SINGLE BATHROOM with two females, one of them a teenager, I can attest to the fact that that skill is not a joke, but rather is vital for SURVIVAL! :-)

/Good morning everybody!

348 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:28:11am

HERE IT COMES!

I never thought that I would truly see the day in the United States of America where some government panel outlined exactly who is to live and who is to die in an emergency, but here it is -

[Link: www.foxnews.com...] prepare, hospitals should designate a triage team with the Godlike task of deciding who will and who won't get lifesaving care, the task force wrote. Those out of luck are the people at high risk of death and a slim chance of long-term survival. But the recommendations get much more specific, and include:

_People older than 85.

_Those with severe trauma, which could include critical injuries from car crashes and shootings.

_Severely burned patients older than 60.

_Those with severe mental impairment, which could include advanced Alzheimer's disease.

_Those with a severe chronic disease, such as advanced heart failure, lung disease or poorly controlled diabetes.

349 chief long name  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:29:11am

re: #272 BabbaZee

Oy! Much better.
Good Morning {HottenTot}

350 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:29:51am

Morning dorian, how are you?

351 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:30:03am

re: #349 chief long name

Oy! Much better.
Good Morning {HottenTot}

{Rooten Tooten!}

352 doriangrey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:30:08am
353 Ojoe  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:30:24am

re: #348 galloping granny

That's just triage, basic stuff, you can learn about it in boy scouts even, not a scandal in my view

354 BulgarWheat  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:30:28am

re: #326 BabbaZee

Not me, Babba! Gimme more, gimme more!

I, ME, MINE!

355 doriangrey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:31:07am

re: #350 rightside

Morning dorian, how are you?

Doing great this morning rightside, and yourself?

356 abolitionist  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:31:14am

re: #348 galloping granny

Linky no worky. Fixed: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

357 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:31:45am

re: #353 Ojoe

That's just triage, basic stuff, you can learn about it in boy scouts even, not a scandal in my view

I am well aware what triage is. This is not "basic" triage, left to the hospital and individuals coping with the particular emergency. This is govenment mandated guidelines on who will or who will not receive treatment. An entirely different thing.

358 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:31:53am
The enemy is anybody who’s going to get you killed, no matter which side he’s on. – Joseph Heller

I hope nobody tells that to the Enterprise's security officers...

359 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:33:20am
360 doriangrey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:33:21am

re: #358 JamesTKirk

I hope nobody tells that to the Enterprise's security officers...


What afraid you might end up with a bunch of red shirts nobody will wear?

361 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:33:26am

re: #352 doriangrey

{Dorian}

362 Ojoe  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:33:40am

re: #357 galloping granny

Yes but it says "in an emergency"

363 JammieWearingFool  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:33:48am

Morning Lizards. Sadly, it's only Monday, but a lovely morning nonetheless.

364 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:33:53am

re: #32 Lucius Septimius

More stupidity from my profession: Dartmouth's 'Hostile' Environment

Want some cheese to go with that whine?

365 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:34:10am
366 The Albatross  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:34:57am

re: #339 galloping granny

Treatment for. . . .?

Brain tumor on his brain stem (2)... metastasized lung cancer.

367 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:35:26am

re: #353 Ojoe
My sister had insurance when her cancer was first detected...it ran out half way thru...she got California medi-cal...who gave her hospice..nothing more was done...she died at 42...state insurance will kill you..trust me.

368 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:35:48am

re: #354 BulgarWheat

Not me, Babba! Gimme more, gimme more!

369 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:36:34am

re: #362 Ojoe

Yes but it says "in an emergency"

I repeat - it sets a precedent for the government to specify who will and who will not receive treatment. Like the camel's nose under the tent, the very second you take this out of the hands of the locals and the ethics of those on the spot into some government mandate, there is but one very small step between "an emergency" and all the time to allocate the scarce medical resources of socialized medicine - for the good of the whole.

370 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:36:36am
371 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:37:39am

re: #363 JammieWearingFool

Morning Jammie

372 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:38:03am

re: #366 The Albatross

Brain tumor on his brain stem (2)... metastasized lung cancer.

I am so sorry for your FIL - and glad that he seems to be bearing up with the treatment so far. That makes it much easier.

373 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:38:52am
374 The Albatross  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:39:22am

re: #367 storagemanager

You ain't kidding, my dad was in Cali, diagnosed with kidney cancer. His wife with breast cancer out of remission twice struggled to stay on her feet to keep insurance on them both. After checking into it, they had to make tough decisions because there was no way my dad would have survived the wait for medi-cal. She was a hell of a woman, amazing. She lost her battle two years after he lost his... and also didn't survive the wait for medi-cal.

375 JammieWearingFool  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:39:36am

re: #371 BabbaZee

Morning Jammie

Thanks, Babba. A little something to get me rolling.

376 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:40:23am

re: #367 storagemanager

My sister had insurance when her cancer was first detected...it ran out half way thru...she got California medi-cal...who gave her hospice..nothing more was done...she died at 42...state insurance will kill you..trust me.

Yup. There is a huge difference between the quality of care you receive if somebody is footing the bill in a big way and the quality of care you receive on medicaid. Sometimes even patients with no insurance get better care, either because they have the $ to pay for their own or they fall into a mandated care category.

377 The Albatross  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:40:41am

re: #372 galloping granny

The man is amazing, he is still working full time, and has astounded his doctors... we are cautiously hopeful.

378 BulgarWheat  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:40:43am

re: #373 BabbaZee

hmm? Got your red stingy thingy on your wrist?

Naw, I didn't think so.

red stringy thingy to salvation!

379 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:41:56am

re: #377 The Albatross

The man is amazing, he is still working full time, and has astounded his doctors... we are cautiously hopeful.

The patients that keep going anyway are usually the ones who do the best. Most of recovery is in your head, not in the treatment.

380 Karridine  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:42:14am

re: #348 galloping granny

But honestly, Granny, something like that MUST be done in any kind of large-scale emergency. Watch "Pearl Harbor" for a scaled-down version of what happens when systems set up for 100 people a day are hit with 3,000 people in less than an hour...

Somebody(s) stand outside and move those with a LOW SURVIVAL chance off to the side, and strive to get mildly wounded, HIGH SURVIVAL quotient people inside to get what limited help there is...

Sounds cruel, but it MUST BE DONE under those circumstances.

/and in Thai news, now on TV, Burma is reeling from a typhoon, thousands dead, many thousands more homeless...

381 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:43:06am

re: #378 BulgarWheat

hmm? Got your red stingy thingy on your wrist?

Naw, I didn't think so.

red stringy thingy to salvation!

All the so called "kabbalah" crap that people are so enamored of is all perversions of authentic Jewish mysticism. Once you separate that stuff from GOD and from the Word it becomes incredibly perverse.

I have been following it's meanderings through the ~isms closely.

382 doriangrey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:44:41am

Well this lizard is off to put gas in the old red corvette and find some cigars and slither off to work yet again...

383 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:44:50am

re: #380 Karridine

But honestly, Granny, something like that MUST be done in any kind of large-scale emergency. Watch "Pearl Harbor" for a scaled-down version of what happens when systems set up for 100 people a day are hit with 3,000 people in less than an hour...

Somebody(s) stand outside and move those with a LOW SURVIVAL chance off to the side, and strive to get mildly wounded, HIGH SURVIVAL quotient people inside to get what limited help there is...

Sounds cruel, but it MUST BE DONE under those circumstances.

/and in Thai news, now on TV, Burma is reeling from a typhoon, thousands dead, many thousands more homeless...

Yes Karridine. Triage is standard at every hospital in the world in the case of emergency. Everyone who has ever worked an ER is more than familiar with it. For that matter, so are those who have sat and waited.

The difference is that until now the "guidelines" have been standard medical ethics, the resources of the particular facility involved and the particular ethics/moral code of the medical personnel involved. That is an entirely different ballgame than the GOVERNMENT specifying who shall and who shall not receive treatment.

384 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:45:20am

re: #355 doriangrey


Doing pretty good thanks.

385 Ojoe  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:45:31am

re: #380 Karridine

It is actually not cruel, it is practical compassion

386 Karridine  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:45:52am

re: #383 galloping granny

Ah! I see your point.

Yes Ma'am... creepy...

388 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:47:32am

James T Kirk, you should write a play called the penis monologues.

389 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:48:04am
390 The Albatross  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:49:06am

We're getting hit hard this year, medical insurance went up by almost half and so did home owners insurance. Across the main drag, someone from our church got dropped because he's at 12 feet above sea level near the bay.... I'm a block away from the bayou and at 15 feet. I'm holding my breath to find out what kind of hit I'm gonna have to take.

391 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:49:20am

re: #385 Ojoe

It is actually not cruel, it is practical compassion

That probably depends upon which group they sort you into.

392 Karridine  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:49:27am

re: #385 Ojoe

Absolutely.

My father served on a California earthquake commission in the early 70's and after a year of listening to invited technical people (emergency services, police, water, fire, hospitals) the came to the considered decision that if they were given a 99.9% probability of a 9.0 Richter hitting in the next 48 hours, they would REMAIN SILENT, deeming it better to recover from whatever did hit, than to spark panic, riots and refusal to evacuate...

I'm a doctor, I have gone through the ethics and the reasoning and the practicals, Ojoe...

393 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:49:36am

re: #391 JamesTKirk

That probably depends upon which group they sort you into.

I'd be toast.

lol

394 BulgarWheat  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:49:38am

The dingos took my dingus!

395 Karridine  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:50:58am

re: #391 JamesTKirk

We're all going to die, and if I'm sorted into the No Help Now group, even if in pain, I will understand and cooperate.

Tough one, James T... not being unserious here...

396 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:51:49am

re: #388 rightside

James T Kirk, you should write a play called the penis monologues.

"Misty Beethoven: The Musical" - a pornographic musical which actually has one of the songs sung by the lead male's penis. You'll forgive me if I don't search for the trailer right now (since I'm at work) -- of course, it's probably not the sort of link that's encouraged here in any case.

397 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:52:14am

re: #390 The Albatross
I hear you..because I have COPD..insurance cost are thru the roof...just glad I have it thou.

398 madisonsfriend  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:52:45am

A while back we talked about food stamps(or the Independence card) here. I was at the market yesterday buying food for a food bank. In front of me, a woman had two large bottles of some sort of Hawaian punch(It said hawaian punch but wasn't red- we don't buy that so I don't know much about the product) and 3 24-oz containers of some fancy juice blend - among other things. She paid with her Independence card(food stamps). This is the sort of thing that bothers me and other people. I know not everyone does this but if you really need food assistance- you don't need to be buying Hawaian punch in bottles and fancy juice. What is wrong with the store brand apple or frozen apple or orange juice? What is wrong with making koolaid(which I guess is still cheap) if you want some crappy sugar drink like Hawaian punch?

399 godfrey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:53:04am

Good morning all you fresh-faced Western rotters, you halal swine, you mammalian lizards, you earthy, mystical, red-blooded metaphysicians.

400 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:53:31am
Iran offers to share nuclear technology with Indian Ocean states
TEHRAN, May 4 (MNA) – Iran has offered to share its knowledge of nuclear technology, industry, and agriculture with the Indian Ocean countries in a bid to help provide social welfare for the region.

[Link: www.mehrnews.com...]

401 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:54:19am

re: #400 storagemanager

[Link: www.mehrnews.com...]

Israel responded by offering to share her nuclear technology with Iran, one missile at a time.

402 godfrey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:54:35am

re: #398 madisonsfriend

Tell me it's not called an "Independence Card." That is too Orwellian for a day like today.

403 sparrowlake  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:55:11am

re: #367 storagemanager

My sister had insurance when her cancer was first detected...it ran out half way thru...she got California medi-cal...who gave her hospice..nothing more was done...she died at 42...state insurance will kill you..trust me.

Dehumanizing bastards.
What kind of idiotic insurance runs out just when you need it most?
Health care should be a basic right, and the cost should be spread across the entire society for those who truly cannot afford to pay.

404 madisonsfriend  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:55:33am

re: #402 godfrey

Tell me it's not called an "Independence Card." That is too Orwellian for a day like today.

[Link: www.dhr.state.md.us...]
Sorry but so it is!

405 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:55:42am

re: #399 godfrey

Good morning all you fresh-faced Western rotters, you halal swine, you mammalian lizards, you earthy, mystical, red-blooded metaphysicians.

Feral Greetings and much Heil upon you, oh Ot of the Most Big!

406 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:57:14am

re: #402 godfrey

Tell me it's not called an "Independence Card." That is too Orwellian for a day like today.

Handle it.

Behold!

THE ISG INSTITUTE FOR PEACE

407 Karridine  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:57:28am

Time.

That's it for MY particular drive-by this evening... Today was Monday May 5, a holiday in Thailand, and by working all day I was able to go from 0700 with nothing and 1850 uploaded a 68-page, illustrated book to LuLu-dot-com

Have a GREAT Monday, Leezards, this American expat pioneer is with you in spirit!

/updinged Godfrey, :D

408 BulgarWheat  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:58:41am

Feral Lizards of the world, UNTIE!

409 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:58:54am
410 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:58:59am

re: #398 madisonsfriend

A while back we talked about food stamps(or the Independence card) here. I was at the market yesterday buying food for a food bank. In front of me, a woman had two large bottles of some sort of Hawaian punch(It said hawaian punch but wasn't red- we don't buy that so I don't know much about the product) and 3 24-oz containers of some fancy juice blend - among other things. She paid with her Independence card(food stamps). This is the sort of thing that bothers me and other people. I know not everyone does this but if you really need food assistance- you don't need to be buying Hawaian punch in bottles and fancy juice. What is wrong with the store brand apple or frozen apple or orange juice? What is wrong with making koolaid(which I guess is still cheap) if you want some crappy sugar drink like Hawaian punch?

The general idea is to render assistance with the grocery bill while still allowing the individual family to exercise some degree of independence and personal choice. Nobody tells you what to eat or buy or where to shop. Poor people that require foodstamp assistance are no different than you are. They just are not quite so lucky. They are not in jail, they haven't been declared wards of the state.

You have no idea why she was buying that juice. It might very well be that she was buying it for some kind of party or snack at her children's school. These days many schools are rather prone to specify exact items the parents are to provide. The Hawai'ian punch might have been on sale. It might be cheaper than frozen. It is definitely cheaper than milk.

411 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:59:24am

re: #402 godfrey

Tell me it's not called an "Independence Card." That is too Orwellian for a day like today.

Might be in some states. Each has their own name.

412 godfrey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:59:25am

re: #406 BabbaZee

Those ISG people are really itching for a fight, aren't they?

413 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:59:39am

re: #348 galloping granny

HERE IT COMES!

I never thought that I would truly see the day in the United States of America where some government panel outlined exactly who is to live and who is to die in an emergency, but here it is -

[Link: www.foxnews.com...] prepare, hospitals should designate a triage team with the Godlike task of deciding who will and who won't get lifesaving care, the task force wrote. Those out of luck are the people at high risk of death and a slim chance of long-term survival. But the recommendations get much more specific, and include:

_People older than 85.

_Those with severe trauma, which could include critical injuries from car crashes and shootings.

_Severely burned patients older than 60.

_Those with severe mental impairment, which could include advanced Alzheimer's disease.

_Those with a severe chronic disease, such as advanced heart failure, lung disease or poorly controlled diabetes.

I thought that you were a field-trained scientist. This is triage.

414 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:59:53am

re: #403 sparrowlake

Dehumanizing bastards.
What kind of idiotic insurance runs out just when you need it most?
Health care should be a basic right, and the cost should be spread across the entire society for those who truly cannot afford to pay.

It was insurance paid for by her job...she could no longer work..so..no more insurance...and no more medical care..just drugs and wait to die..what Hilly and Obama want for us all...state paid suicide..when one can no longer work.

415 The Albatross  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:01:08am

Speaking of insurance.... I got a call from the head office and a meeting at 10 am. I may be retained through the summer... but will have to travel.

My doctor scoped me and has recommended me for a rather risky procedure... he's going to a conference about it the beginning of June. I would have to allow them to do a tracheotomy.... but he thinks I'm a good candidate because of my age and general health. Might help me. If I took the job, I could have the procedure done. The rather unpleasant risk is blood loss into my lungs. It made sense, and I saw the axillary tonsil tissue - but I am a bit freaked. I told him to talk to me after his conference.

416 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:01:16am

re: #403 sparrowlake

Dehumanizing bastards.
What kind of idiotic insurance runs out just when you need it most?
Health care should be a basic right, and the cost should be spread across the entire society for those who truly cannot afford to pay.

Take a look at medical care in the UK and Canada before you wish this on us - where everyone who cannot afford to come to the US to buy care gets universally BAD care. Take to Pro-Bush Canuck (if you can find him) about care for cancer patients in Canada.

417 yochanan  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:01:23am

re: #24 rightside

I was a fire control technician, or later, just fire controlman. We operate and maintain the ships' guided missile fire control systems. Used in conjunction with the ships' primary 3D air search radar, the fire control directors ensured maximum accuracy, and allowed us to put "ordnance on target"

YOU BLOW UP THINGS AND MAKE THEM HIT THE DRINK

418 godfrey  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:01:38am

re: #410 galloping granny

Or, it may be that she really doesn't know its relative worth, doesn't care, considers it a perk due, or just plain likes it.

419 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:02:10am

re: #413 haakondahl

I thought that you were a field-trained scientist. This is triage.

Keep reading and you will come across my specific objections to GOVERNMENT MANDATED triage rather than triage under local control and individual ethics.

420 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:03:05am

re: #418 godfrey

Or, it may be that she really doesn't know its relative worth, doesn't care, considers it a perk due, or just plain likes it.

Godfrey, go look up the food stamp allotment for a family your size in your state and then try to live on the damned thing for a month before you utter such ridiculous nonsense.

421 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:03:31am

Good Morning Y'all - from a coolish (52 degrees, only going up to 72 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!

How is everyone this morning?

422 madisonsfriend  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:03:59am

re: #410 galloping granny

You could be right but I would have felt better about it if she didn't have fancy nails, hair and clothing- a lot fancier than mine -as did her bored looking teenager. I don't judge everyone negatively who uses the food stamp program- I see it a lot in the store I was shopping at.

423 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:03:59am

re: #367 storagemanager

My sister had insurance when her cancer was first detected...it ran out half way thru...she got California medi-cal...who gave her hospice..nothing more was done...she died at 42...state insurance will kill you..trust me.

That's awful. I'm sorry to hear it.

425 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:04:20am

YO BABBA!

uh, y'all got mail!

426 BulgarWheat  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:04:31am

re: #421 realwest

howdy, Real! Good morning to you from the BulgarWheat Feral Compound located somewhere outside of Raleigh!

427 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:05:08am

re: #369 galloping granny

I repeat - it sets a precedent for the government to specify who will and who will not receive treatment. Like the camel's nose under the tent, the very second you take this out of the hands of the locals and the ethics of those on the spot into some government mandate, there is but one very small step between "an emergency" and all the time to allocate the scarce medical resources of socialized medicine - for the good of the whole.

Now that right there is a very good point.

428 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:05:21am