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Monday Early Morning Open

Mon, May 5, 2008 at 3:01:03 am PST

The enemy is anybody who’s going to get you killed, no matter which side he’s on.

Joseph Heller

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#1 rightside 5/05/08 3:04:19 am 0

Morning Lizards!

#2 galloping granny 5/05/08 3:05:16 am 0

Morning rightside!

#3 tedzilla99 5/05/08 3:06:05 am 6
The enemy is anybody who’s going to get you killed, no matter which side he’s on.

Or what newspaper he works for.

#4 freetoken 5/05/08 3:06:07 am 1

Perhaps Heller's best quote, that I could find online:

"Peace on earth would mean the end of civilization as we know it."

#5 BlueCanuck 5/05/08 3:07:19 am 0
The enemy is anybody who’s going to get you killed, no matter which side he’s on.

— Joseph Heller

The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy, no more no less.

one of the 7(?) rules of highly effective pirates.

#6 rightside 5/05/08 3:10:08 am 0

morning gg!

#7 MigueldowninMexico 5/05/08 3:11:23 am 0

Is this the skillet thread?

#8 MigueldowninMexico 5/05/08 3:12:10 am 0

re: #6 rightside

morning gg!

Hello there!
Is that a Sargent Major's sign in your icon?

#9 goddessoftheclassroom 5/05/08 3:13:01 am 0

Good morning, Lizards!

{rightside}
{BlueCanuck}
{freetoken}
{tedzilla99}
{galloping granny}

#10 BlueCanuck 5/05/08 3:13:57 am 0

Good morning {goddess}.

#11 Lucius Septimius 5/05/08 3:13:57 am 0

Good morning all. 53 degrees in the predawn gloom of Chambodia with a high around 80 later today. Feeding the baby at the moment.

How's everyone this fine morning?

#12 rightside 5/05/08 3:14:11 am 0

re: #8 MigueldowninMexico

hello to you too!

omg no! it's first class petty officer, or E-6 in the Navy. The rank I retired at from the Navy.

#13 AmeriDan 5/05/08 3:15:07 am 0

re: #1 rightside

Morning Lizards!

re: #8 MigueldowninMexico

Hello there!
Is that a Sargent Major's sign in your icon?

First Class Petty Officer, United Staes Navy.

But what is the rate/occupation?

#14 rightside 5/05/08 3:15:55 am 6

{goddess}

This from the "Raging Obama" thread earlier, but I think it fits...

Barack Obama is struggling to contain his anger and frustration over the constant barrage of questions about his character and judgment, his wife has revealed.

Seems to me, he wants to be judged on the color of his skin, and not the content of his character.

#15 galloping granny 5/05/08 3:16:21 am 0

re: #9 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards!

{rightside}
{BlueCanuck}
{freetoken}
{tedzilla99}
{galloping granny}

Morning goddess. How are you today? (Supposed to be a nice one here!)

#16 BlueCanuck 5/05/08 3:17:11 am 1

re: #14 rightside

{goddess}

This from the "Raging Obama" thread earlier, but I think it fits...


Seems to me, he wants to be judged on the color of his skin, and not the content of his character.

So he wants a political affirmitive action election?

#17 freetoken 5/05/08 3:17:14 am 0

re: #9 goddessoftheclassroom

re: #9 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards!

"I arise in the morning torn between a desire to improve the world and a desire to enjoy the world. This makes it hard to plan the day. "
- E. B. White

#18 goddessoftheclassroom 5/05/08 3:17:17 am 0

Weel, galloping granny, I attacked the front garden yesterday. My Lizard-in-Training and I tacked the dandelions, nettles, and other weeds. I've got a blister on my palm, but I'm pumped to finish the onslaught this afternoon!

This weekend we clear our the back yard so I can lay out the raised bed.

#19 MigueldowninMexico 5/05/08 3:17:27 am 0

re: #12 rightside

hello to you too!

omg no! it's first class petty officer, or E-6 in the Navy. The rank I retired at from the Navy.

Heh, as you can see I don't know about that lol
Thanks for your service! :)
God bless you.

#20 redc1c4 5/05/08 3:17:27 am 0

re: #12 rightside

hello to you too!

omg no! it's first class petty officer, or E-6 in the Navy. The rank I retired at from the Navy.

don't mind him: he don't get out much, and all us funny suiters look the same.

/except the Cav, since we wear Stetsons %-)

#21 goddessoftheclassroom 5/05/08 3:18:13 am 0

re: #17 freetoken

re: #9 goddessoftheclassroom

"I arise in the morning torn between a desire to improve the world and a desire to enjoy the world. This makes it hard to plan the day. "
- E. B. White

I love it!

#22 MigueldowninMexico 5/05/08 3:18:36 am 0

{Goddess} :)

#23 MigueldowninMexico 5/05/08 3:19:04 am 0

re: #20 redc1c4

don't mind him: he don't get out much, and all us funny suiters look the same.

/except the Cav, since we wear Stetsons %-)

Hahahaha.

#24 rightside 5/05/08 3:19:06 am 0

re: #13 AmeriDan

I was a fire control technician, or later, just fire controlman. We operate and maintain the ships' guided missile fire control systems. Used in conjunction with the ships' primary 3D air search radar, the fire control directors ensured maximum accuracy, and allowed us to put "ordnance on target"

#25 sparrowlake 5/05/08 3:19:20 am 0
The enemy is anybody who’s going to get you killed, no matter which side he’s on.
— Joseph Heller

Thank you for that cynical, miserable, self-hating observation - just what I need to start my day./

#26 AmeriDan 5/05/08 3:19:22 am 0

re: #12 rightside

hello to you too!

omg no! it's first class petty officer, or E-6 in the Navy. The rank I retired at from the Navy.

Rate, please.

#27 BlueCanuck 5/05/08 3:20:03 am 0

re: #20 redc1c4

We wore green berets. :)

/great for funning the yanks in Fort Drum I heard.

#28 MigueldowninMexico 5/05/08 3:20:31 am 0

In the Mexican Army, one stripe is corporal, two, seargent, three seargent major.

I know about hierarchy here.

#29 redc1c4 5/05/08 3:20:48 am 0

re: #24 rightside

I was a fire control technician, or later, just fire controlman. We operate and maintain the ships' guided missile fire control systems. Used in conjunction with the ships' primary 3D air search radar, the fire control directors ensured maximum accuracy, and allowed us to put "ordnance on target"

also know as a "BSU" rating......

#30 rightside 5/05/08 3:21:14 am 0

re: #16 BlueCanuck

That, and pay no attention to whom I associated with before, that's the past. I look to the future. Because there is hope. And change. And you can't change the past. If you elect this black president, I will be that change. I hope.

#31 galloping granny 5/05/08 3:21:19 am 0

re: #18 goddessoftheclassroom

Weel, galloping granny, I attacked the front garden yesterday. My Lizard-in-Training and I tacked the dandelions, nettles, and other weeds. I've got a blister on my palm, but I'm pumped to finish the onslaught this afternoon!

This weekend we clear our the back yard so I can lay out the raised bed.

Good for you! I've got about 1000 pounds of bushes to haul up the hill, the last of last fall's leaves to get up to the new compost pile, 16 holes to dig, another row to plant in the garden and heaven knows what else. The daughter will be home tomorrow so we want the yard spiffy - new deck and picnic table, so that will be a nice surprise for her. And somewhere I have to find time to pot up another couple hundred tomatoes!

#32 Lucius Septimius 5/05/08 3:22:00 am 0

More stupidity from my profession: Dartmouth's 'Hostile' Environment

Often it seems as though American higher education exists only to provide gag material for the outside world. The latest spectacle is an Ivy League professor threatening to sue her students because, she claims, their "anti-intellectualism" violated her civil rights.

Priya Venkatesan taught English at Dartmouth College. She maintains that some of her students were so unreceptive of "French narrative theory" that it amounted to a hostile working environment. She is also readying lawsuits against her superiors, who she says papered over the harassment, as well as a confessional exposé, which she promises will "name names."

#33 AmeriDan 5/05/08 3:22:21 am 0

re: #24 rightside

Cool, I was a Boiler Tech on an aircraft carrier for four years.

Yeah, I know, a lowly snipe. But I still work in the field and it pays the bills.

#34 opnion 5/05/08 3:22:23 am 0

Good Morning Lizards!

#35 MigueldowninMexico 5/05/08 3:22:24 am 0

re: #31 galloping granny

Want to make 1000 pounds of bushes disappear?
Get a goat!

lol

#36 rightside 5/05/08 3:22:29 am 0

re: #19 MigueldowninMexico

You, and all the fellow lizards are welcome. Thank you!

#37 MigueldowninMexico 5/05/08 3:23:21 am 0

re: #32 Lucius Septimius

More stupidity from my profession: Dartmouth's 'Hostile' Environment

Sorry, Mr Godwin, but these people act like NAZIS.
Ugh.

#38 rightside 5/05/08 3:23:44 am 0

re: #33 AmeriDan

Everyones job onboard is important, no matter what. We had fresh air snipes, since we were gas turbine, so I have had to go down to the boiler room, and ask for a BT punch LOL

#39 freetoken 5/05/08 3:23:49 am 0

re: #25 sparrowlake

Many of Heller's quotes that I can find on the web have a biting nature to them... he really could put on the sour mood when he wanted so...

I don't know if Charles has the quotes preselected, or if they are just selected randomly by a 'bot searching someplace like brainyquote.com... but this Morning's quote has a sardonic-ness to it that is a bit darker than expected for LGF.

#40 taxfreekiller 5/05/08 3:24:00 am 0

Ain't Global Warming Cool.

[Link: www.arapahoebasin.com...]

[Link: www.timberlinelodge.com...]

Ski Slopes Snow in Al Gore.!

#41 goddessoftheclassroom 5/05/08 3:24:05 am 0

re: #22 MigueldowninMexico

{Goddess} :)

{MigueldowninMexico}

Happy Cinquo de Mayo! (Is that correct?)

#42 redc1c4 5/05/08 3:24:43 am 0

re: #31 galloping granny

Good for you! I've got about 1000 pounds of bushes to haul up the hill, the last of last fall's leaves to get up to the new compost pile, 16 holes to dig, another row to plant in the garden and heaven knows what else. The daughter will be home tomorrow so we want the yard spiffy - new deck and picnic table, so that will be a nice surprise for her. And somewhere I have to find time to pot up another couple hundred tomatoes!


i've been busy killing off non-native plants in the front yard and rearranging things out there. next i have to plant the native grass in back and secure the seeds from the bird population.

there's also the water feature out front to finish and the fountain/birdbath i'm expected to create in back.

/yes dear

#43 MigueldowninMexico 5/05/08 3:24:50 am 0

re: #33 AmeriDan

Cool, I was a Boiler Tech on an aircraft carrier for four years.

Yeah, I know, a lowly snipe. But I still work in the field and it pays the bills.

Thanks for your service too, Dan.
God bless you too :)

#44 goddessoftheclassroom 5/05/08 3:25:40 am 0

re: #31 galloping granny

Good for you! I've got about 1000 pounds of bushes to haul up the hill, the last of last fall's leaves to get up to the new compost pile, 16 holes to dig, another row to plant in the garden and heaven knows what else. The daughter will be home tomorrow so we want the yard spiffy - new deck and picnic table, so that will be a nice surprise for her. And somewhere I have to find time to pot up another couple hundred tomatoes!

I am humbled.

However, I know better than to set my sights too high--my goal is to get started. I really enjoyed working on it yesterday with my son.

#45 MigueldowninMexico 5/05/08 3:25:53 am 0

re: #41 goddessoftheclassroom

{MigueldowninMexico}

Happy Cinquo de Mayo! (Is that correct?)

Thanks, goddess! :)
Cinco de Mayo ;)

#46 freetoken 5/05/08 3:25:55 am 0

re: #41 goddessoftheclassroom

shhhhhh... Miguel is a known Cinco-terrorist.....

#48 AmeriDan 5/05/08 3:26:12 am 0

re: #30 rightside

That, and pay no attention to whom I associated with before, that's the past. I look to the future. Because there is hope. And change. And you can't change the past. If you elect this black president, I will be that change. I hope.

Besides, this is not helping your children at all.

/move along people

#49 taxfreekiller 5/05/08 3:27:07 am 0

Push Obama, Push Obama, ask questions, get answers, use the facts,
get people into Ms Obama's meetings and q and a, take up collections get Rev. Wright to your city to give his side, push, push,

the pot boils.

#50 MigueldowninMexico 5/05/08 3:27:15 am 0

re: #46 freetoken

shhhhhh... Miguel is a known Cinco-terrorist.....

Hahahahahaha

#51 redc1c4 5/05/08 3:27:45 am 0

re: #33 AmeriDan

Cool, I was a Boiler Tech on an aircraft carrier for four years.

Yeah, I know, a lowly snipe. But I still work in the field and it pays the bills.

you kept the big grey bitch moving, and without that , she might as well have been a reef. you mattered.

thank you for your service. it *ALL* counts.

#52 MigueldowninMexico 5/05/08 3:28:41 am 0

re: #47 littleoldlady

Is this the Army, Navy and/or the Marines thread?

I love Holiday-on-Ice!
:)

#53 galloping granny 5/05/08 3:28:46 am 0

re: #32 Lucius Septimius

More stupidity from my profession: Dartmouth's 'Hostile' Environment

I read that the other day. What a lunatic this woman is. Oddly enough, I also googled for a picture of her (small world up here) and discovered that there were women (all different) in the same profession at at least 2 or 3 other colleges/universities scattered around the US.

Frankly, it almost made me wonder whether to call the INS. That seems like a very unusual name, much too unusual to be repeated for instructors at several different colleges.

See here -
[Link: www.google.com...]

If you click the images link at the very top of the page, you will also find pics of at least one other lady by the same name, this one at Duke.

#54 redc1c4 5/05/08 3:29:23 am 0

re: #47 littleoldlady

Is this the Army, Navy and/or the Marines thread?

looks like the Air Force

110% on the "Gay Scale"

#55 opnion 5/05/08 3:31:09 am 0

re: #50 MigueldowninMexico

Hahahahahaha

Miguel, Happy Cinco de Mayo!
Congratulations, Ya whipped the French. The French?
I mean , great victory & all, but the French?

#56 littleoldlady 5/05/08 3:31:09 am 0

re: #52 MigueldowninMexico

I love Holiday-on-Ice!
:)

I think the midget on skates is the star!

/me and BabbaZee
//Big OTs

#57 goddessoftheclassroom 5/05/08 3:31:25 am 0

re: #32 Lucius Septimius

It almost makes me sick.

One of my former students just got an A in an English 101 (composition) course. He told me he learned more about writing and correct structure when he had me in 8th grade. All he had to write about was how he "felt" about certain topics--no citations.

#58 galloping granny 5/05/08 3:31:41 am 0

re: #42 redc1c4

i've been busy killing off non-native plants in the front yard and rearranging things out there. next i have to plant the native grass in back and secure the seeds from the bird population.

there's also the water feature out front to finish and the fountain/birdbath i'm expected to create in back.

/yes dear

ROFLMAO. See, if it were me I would inform the dear that the cost of fresh produce is much too high and expected to shoot over the moon with the price of gas and so on, thus I had decided that all of the available plantings and yard space should be given over to Victory Gardening.

Which is essentially what we are doing here, since I don't mow, the daughter doesn't have time/hates to, and the kiddo is much too young to be allowed to mow unless we get her a foot powered mower.

#59 MigueldowninMexico 5/05/08 3:31:43 am 0

re: #53 galloping granny

Granny
Lucius

That reminds me of a popular saying in Cuba:
"In Cuba, the one who doesn't applaud is a counter-revolutionary"

The Nazis on the left want us not only to shut up, but to agree wholeheartedly with them...or else.
They're so sick.

#60 Irish Rose 5/05/08 3:31:57 am 0

Good morning, iizards.
Another Monday.

#61 redc1c4 5/05/08 3:32:21 am 0

night all................. i'd better hit it before HRH wakes up and asks why i'm still up. %-)

L8r!

#62 freetoken 5/05/08 3:32:37 am 0

Well, good night all....

Time to sign off my broadcast day... tonight with this to counter Mr. Heller....

#63 MigueldowninMexico 5/05/08 3:33:16 am 0

re: #55 opnion

Miguel, Happy Cinco de Mayo!
Congratulations, Ya whipped the French. The French?
I mean , great victory & all, but the French?

Hpmfffff...

#64 BlueCanuck 5/05/08 3:33:34 am 0

Good night red. Have a busy day.

#65 sparrowlake 5/05/08 3:33:34 am 0

Heller's futility-of-war themes are Moonbat candy.

#66 AmeriDan 5/05/08 3:34:03 am 1

re: #43 MigueldowninMexico

Thanks for your service too, Dan.
God bless you too :)

re: #38 rightside

Everyones job onboard is important, no matter what. We had fresh air snipes, since we were gas turbine, so I have had to go down to the boiler room, and ask for a BT punch LOL

You are very welcome Miguel. I was proud to serve.

Rightside, my last year in, I was the watch supervisior (BTOW) and had to give a BT punch or three. I always took it easy on them though, just a playfull tap on the arm.

Then I gave then a tour of the Main Machinery Room. I guess I'm just an ole softy.

#67 MigueldowninMexico 5/05/08 3:35:38 am 0

re: #60 Irish Rose

Good morning, iizards.
Another Monday.

Hello there! :)
Indeed
.

#68 galloping granny 5/05/08 3:36:41 am 0

re: #44 goddessoftheclassroom

I am humbled.

However, I know better than to set my sights too high--my goal is to get started. I really enjoyed working on it yesterday with my son.

Oh, don't be humbled. You would not be if you were here, trust me. This is not a new house - an antique, built in 1930. It once had lovely gardens, but they had been allowed to run wild during the entire time the previous owners had the house. I've already spent an entire year digging and clipping and weeding just to see what is even here, LOL, and will be at least a couple more thinning and putzing and moving and dragging and having at stuff with the chain saw unless I simply sterilize the entire mess. Hate to do that because there are some rare old iris, peonies and lilies, if I can ever get enough stuff weeded out to rescue them.

Gardening with kids is wonderful fun - and a great opportunity to slip a few science lessons in or add to their powers of observation. I have some great plans for an aquaculture set up you can do in an old aquarium come fall if you decide you want to give that a whirl too.

#69 MigueldowninMexico 5/05/08 3:36:46 am 0

re: #62 freetoken

Good night free! :)

#70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian 5/05/08 3:36:52 am 0

Hola Lagarto's!

Happy Cinco de Mayo!

#71 MandyManners 5/05/08 3:36:55 am 2

re: #32 Lucius Septimius

More stupidity from my profession: Dartmouth's 'Hostile' Environment

After a winter of discontent, the snapping point came while Ms. Venkatesan was lecturing on "ecofeminism," which holds, in part, that scientific advancements benefit the patriarchy but leave women out. One student took issue, and reasonably so – actually, empirically so. But "these weren't thoughtful statements," Ms. Venkatesan protests. "They were irrational." The class thought otherwise. Following what she calls the student's "diatribe," several of his classmates applauded.

Ms. Venkatesan informed her pupils that their behavior was "fascist demagoguery." Then, after consulting a physician about "intellectual distress," she cancelled classes for a week. Thus the pending litigation.

ROFLMAO! Typical light-weight mind. "FASCIST!"

#72 BabbaZee 5/05/08 3:37:25 am 3

re: #32 Lucius Septimius

More than 25 years ago I had a beautiful friend
he was 83 then
he had degrees in 5 or 6 different disciplines
he had been fired from almost every teaching position he ever held at the university level
and he had walked off the rest
He was reduced to teaching high school science by the time I met him.


So way back then he warned me about this kind of crap in academia and more, and the agenda politics, but I had no understanding then of what he was speaking about, I had not even been to college as a student ...
so I had zero clue about what the environment was like.

He also used to say two things to me
often and emphatically :

The entirety of the fossil evidence they have on the so called origins of man would not fill the bed of a pick up truck.

and

A very small group of incredibly stupid people does 90% the world's thinking for it ~
do not take anything they tell you at face value, they all have an agenda.

Love you Charlie. Miss you like crazy.

#73 MigueldowninMexico 5/05/08 3:37:36 am 0

re: #61 redc1c4

night all................. i'd better hit it before HRH wakes up and asks why i'm still up. %-)

L8r!

Good night, you poor oppressed man.

/You should joint Men Lib lol

#74 redc1c4 5/05/08 3:37:46 am 0

re: #58 galloping granny

ROFLMAO. See, if it were me I would inform the dear that the cost of fresh produce is much too high and expected to shoot over the moon with the price of gas and so on, thus I had decided that all of the available plantings and yard space should be given over to Victory Gardening.

Which is essentially what we are doing here, since I don't mow, the daughter doesn't have time/hates to, and the kiddo is much too young to be allowed to mow unless we get her a foot powered mower.

well, first off: i don't argue with my wife. that's why i have a happy marriage. second of all, there's only two of us, so we need only a bit of green crops, which we produce. since she won't let me crop out the whole area as Zinfandel, there's hardly any reason to anything else anyway.

#75 MigueldowninMexico 5/05/08 3:38:09 am 0

re: #73 MigueldowninMexico

Good night, you poor oppressed man.

/You should joint Men Lib lol

Oops. Don't joint them, just join them lol

#76 BabbaZee 5/05/08 3:38:24 am 0

re: #56 littleoldlady

I think the midget on skates is the star!

/me and BabbaZee
//Big OTs

Big OT's are ripping them off!

#77 AmeriDan 5/05/08 3:38:56 am 0

re: #51 redc1c4

you kept the big grey bitch moving, and without that , she might as well have been a reef. you mattered.

thank you for your service. it *ALL* counts.

Thank you.

#78 Lucius Septimius 5/05/08 3:39:06 am 0

re: #53 galloping granny

She is something of a lunatic, it would seem. Interesting background I see -- MS in Genetics and PhD in literature.

It's her area of study now that's bizarre -- essentially the whole point is to argue that "science" has no validity because it's a "social construct" of "patriarchy." So I guess the reason her reactions never worked, or she couldn't balance equations in advanced organic was because of the evil patriarchy.

Glad to see her students were at least paying attention and called her on that nonsense.

#79 MigueldowninMexico 5/05/08 3:39:37 am 0

re: #70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hola Lagarto's!

Happy Cinco de Mayo!

Hahahaha lagartos lol
Thanks:

#80 opnion 5/05/08 3:39:57 am 0

re: #14 rightside

{goddess}

This from the "Raging Obama" thread earlier, but I think it fits...

Seems to me, he wants to be judged on the color of his skin, and not the content of his character.

I heard He & Hillary speak last night at the Jefferson/Jackson dinner.
Hillary was the same old Euro socialism that you would expect.
Barry on the other hand; I have not heard that kind of Marxism since philosophy 101.
The terminology was omitted but the concepts were the same.
Hillary would bleed the middle class, Barry would go for the quick kill.

#81 Lucius Septimius 5/05/08 3:40:36 am 0

re: #57 goddessoftheclassroom

My smarter students complain about classes where all they have to do is write about feelings. Of course the ones who want to wallow in their late adolescent angst usually try to avoid me.

#82 redc1c4 5/05/08 3:40:49 am 0

re: #73 MigueldowninMexico

Good night, you poor oppressed man.

/You should joint Men Lib lol

Mano, if you lived like i do, you wouldn't want to get liberated either. %-)


*really L8r*

#83 galloping granny 5/05/08 3:41:27 am 0

re: #71 MandyManners

After a winter of discontent, the snapping point came while Ms. Venkatesan was lecturing on "ecofeminism," which holds, in part, that scientific advancements benefit the patriarchy but leave women out. One student took issue, and reasonably so – actually, empirically so. But "these weren't thoughtful statements," Ms. Venkatesan protests. "They were irrational." The class thought otherwise. Following what she calls the student's "diatribe," several of his classmates applauded.

Ms. Venkatesan informed her pupils that their behavior was "fascist demagoguery." Then, after consulting a physician about "intellectual distress," she cancelled classes for a week. Thus the pending litigation.

ROFLMAO! Typical light-weight mind. "FASCIST!"

She is damned lucky her students don't sue her for breach of contract. Tuition at Dartmouth runs something on the order of $35000 per year. That figures out to a fairly hefty amount of change on a per class basis.

#84 goddessoftheclassroom 5/05/08 3:41:48 am