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Mon, May 5, 2008 at 3:01:03 am PDT

The enemy is anybody who’s going to get you killed, no matter which side he’s on.

Joseph Heller

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1 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:04:19am

Morning Lizards!

2 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:05:16am

Morning rightside!

3 tedzilla99  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:06:05am
The enemy is anybody who’s going to get you killed, no matter which side he’s on.

Or what newspaper he works for.

4 freetoken  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:06:07am

Perhaps Heller's best quote, that I could find online:

"Peace on earth would mean the end of civilization as we know it."

5 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:07:19am
The enemy is anybody who’s going to get you killed, no matter which side he’s on.

— Joseph Heller

The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy, no more no less.

one of the 7(?) rules of highly effective pirates.

6 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:10:08am

morning gg!

7 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:11:23am

Is this the skillet thread?

8 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:12:10am

re: #6 rightside

morning gg!

Hello there!
Is that a Sargent Major's sign in your icon?

9 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:13:01am

Good morning, Lizards!

{rightside}
{BlueCanuck}
{freetoken}
{tedzilla99}
{galloping granny}

10 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:13:57am

Good morning {goddess}.

11 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:13:57am

Good morning all. 53 degrees in the predawn gloom of Chambodia with a high around 80 later today. Feeding the baby at the moment.

How's everyone this fine morning?

12 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:14:11am

re: #8 MigueldowninMexico

hello to you too!

omg no! it's first class petty officer, or E-6 in the Navy. The rank I retired at from the Navy.

13 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:15:07am

re: #1 rightside

Morning Lizards!

re: #8 MigueldowninMexico

Hello there!
Is that a Sargent Major's sign in your icon?

First Class Petty Officer, United Staes Navy.

But what is the rate/occupation?

14 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:15:55am

{goddess}

This from the "Raging Obama" thread earlier, but I think it fits...

Barack Obama is struggling to contain his anger and frustration over the constant barrage of questions about his character and judgment, his wife has revealed.

Seems to me, he wants to be judged on the color of his skin, and not the content of his character.

15 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:16:21am

re: #9 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards!

{rightside}
{BlueCanuck}
{freetoken}
{tedzilla99}
{galloping granny}

Morning goddess. How are you today? (Supposed to be a nice one here!)

16 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:17:11am

re: #14 rightside

{goddess}

This from the "Raging Obama" thread earlier, but I think it fits...


Seems to me, he wants to be judged on the color of his skin, and not the content of his character.

So he wants a political affirmitive action election?

17 freetoken  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:17:14am

re: #9 goddessoftheclassroom

re: #9 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards!

"I arise in the morning torn between a desire to improve the world and a desire to enjoy the world. This makes it hard to plan the day. "
- E. B. White

18 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:17:17am

Weel, galloping granny, I attacked the front garden yesterday. My Lizard-in-Training and I tacked the dandelions, nettles, and other weeds. I've got a blister on my palm, but I'm pumped to finish the onslaught this afternoon!

This weekend we clear our the back yard so I can lay out the raised bed.

19 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:17:27am

re: #12 rightside

hello to you too!

omg no! it's first class petty officer, or E-6 in the Navy. The rank I retired at from the Navy.

Heh, as you can see I don't know about that lol
Thanks for your service! :)
God bless you.

20 redc1c4  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:17:27am

re: #12 rightside

hello to you too!

omg no! it's first class petty officer, or E-6 in the Navy. The rank I retired at from the Navy.

don't mind him: he don't get out much, and all us funny suiters look the same.

/except the Cav, since we wear Stetsons %-)

21 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:18:13am

re: #17 freetoken

re: #9 goddessoftheclassroom

"I arise in the morning torn between a desire to improve the world and a desire to enjoy the world. This makes it hard to plan the day. "
- E. B. White

I love it!

22 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:18:36am

{Goddess} :)

23 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:19:04am

re: #20 redc1c4

don't mind him: he don't get out much, and all us funny suiters look the same.

/except the Cav, since we wear Stetsons %-)

Hahahaha.

24 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:19:06am

re: #13 AmeriDan

I was a fire control technician, or later, just fire controlman. We operate and maintain the ships' guided missile fire control systems. Used in conjunction with the ships' primary 3D air search radar, the fire control directors ensured maximum accuracy, and allowed us to put "ordnance on target"

25 sparrowlake  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:19:20am
The enemy is anybody who’s going to get you killed, no matter which side he’s on.
— Joseph Heller

Thank you for that cynical, miserable, self-hating observation - just what I need to start my day./

26 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:19:22am

re: #12 rightside

hello to you too!

omg no! it's first class petty officer, or E-6 in the Navy. The rank I retired at from the Navy.

Rate, please.

27 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:20:03am

re: #20 redc1c4

We wore green berets. :)

/great for funning the yanks in Fort Drum I heard.

28 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:20:31am

In the Mexican Army, one stripe is corporal, two, seargent, three seargent major.

I know about hierarchy here.

29 redc1c4  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:20:48am

re: #24 rightside

I was a fire control technician, or later, just fire controlman. We operate and maintain the ships' guided missile fire control systems. Used in conjunction with the ships' primary 3D air search radar, the fire control directors ensured maximum accuracy, and allowed us to put "ordnance on target"

also know as a "BSU" rating......

30 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:21:14am

re: #16 BlueCanuck

That, and pay no attention to whom I associated with before, that's the past. I look to the future. Because there is hope. And change. And you can't change the past. If you elect this black president, I will be that change. I hope.

31 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:21:19am

re: #18 goddessoftheclassroom

Weel, galloping granny, I attacked the front garden yesterday. My Lizard-in-Training and I tacked the dandelions, nettles, and other weeds. I've got a blister on my palm, but I'm pumped to finish the onslaught this afternoon!

This weekend we clear our the back yard so I can lay out the raised bed.

Good for you! I've got about 1000 pounds of bushes to haul up the hill, the last of last fall's leaves to get up to the new compost pile, 16 holes to dig, another row to plant in the garden and heaven knows what else. The daughter will be home tomorrow so we want the yard spiffy - new deck and picnic table, so that will be a nice surprise for her. And somewhere I have to find time to pot up another couple hundred tomatoes!

32 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:22:00am

More stupidity from my profession: Dartmouth's 'Hostile' Environment

Often it seems as though American higher education exists only to provide gag material for the outside world. The latest spectacle is an Ivy League professor threatening to sue her students because, she claims, their "anti-intellectualism" violated her civil rights.

Priya Venkatesan taught English at Dartmouth College. She maintains that some of her students were so unreceptive of "French narrative theory" that it amounted to a hostile working environment. She is also readying lawsuits against her superiors, who she says papered over the harassment, as well as a confessional exposé, which she promises will "name names."

33 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:22:21am

re: #24 rightside

Cool, I was a Boiler Tech on an aircraft carrier for four years.

Yeah, I know, a lowly snipe. But I still work in the field and it pays the bills.

34 opnion  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:22:23am

Good Morning Lizards!

35 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:22:24am

re: #31 galloping granny

Want to make 1000 pounds of bushes disappear?
Get a goat!

lol

36 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:22:29am

re: #19 MigueldowninMexico

You, and all the fellow lizards are welcome. Thank you!

37 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:23:21am

re: #32 Lucius Septimius

More stupidity from my profession: Dartmouth's 'Hostile' Environment

Sorry, Mr Godwin, but these people act like NAZIS.
Ugh.

38 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:23:44am

re: #33 AmeriDan

Everyones job onboard is important, no matter what. We had fresh air snipes, since we were gas turbine, so I have had to go down to the boiler room, and ask for a BT punch LOL

39 freetoken  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:23:49am

re: #25 sparrowlake

Many of Heller's quotes that I can find on the web have a biting nature to them... he really could put on the sour mood when he wanted so...

I don't know if Charles has the quotes preselected, or if they are just selected randomly by a 'bot searching someplace like brainyquote.com... but this Morning's quote has a sardonic-ness to it that is a bit darker than expected for LGF.

40 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:24:00am
41 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:24:05am

re: #22 MigueldowninMexico

{Goddess} :)

{MigueldowninMexico}

Happy Cinquo de Mayo! (Is that correct?)

42 redc1c4  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:24:43am

re: #31 galloping granny

Good for you! I've got about 1000 pounds of bushes to haul up the hill, the last of last fall's leaves to get up to the new compost pile, 16 holes to dig, another row to plant in the garden and heaven knows what else. The daughter will be home tomorrow so we want the yard spiffy - new deck and picnic table, so that will be a nice surprise for her. And somewhere I have to find time to pot up another couple hundred tomatoes!


i've been busy killing off non-native plants in the front yard and rearranging things out there. next i have to plant the native grass in back and secure the seeds from the bird population.

there's also the water feature out front to finish and the fountain/birdbath i'm expected to create in back.

/yes dear

43 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:24:50am

re: #33 AmeriDan

Cool, I was a Boiler Tech on an aircraft carrier for four years.

Yeah, I know, a lowly snipe. But I still work in the field and it pays the bills.

Thanks for your service too, Dan.
God bless you too :)

44 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:25:40am

re: #31 galloping granny

Good for you! I've got about 1000 pounds of bushes to haul up the hill, the last of last fall's leaves to get up to the new compost pile, 16 holes to dig, another row to plant in the garden and heaven knows what else. The daughter will be home tomorrow so we want the yard spiffy - new deck and picnic table, so that will be a nice surprise for her. And somewhere I have to find time to pot up another couple hundred tomatoes!

I am humbled.

However, I know better than to set my sights too high--my goal is to get started. I really enjoyed working on it yesterday with my son.

45 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:25:53am

re: #41 goddessoftheclassroom

{MigueldowninMexico}

Happy Cinquo de Mayo! (Is that correct?)

Thanks, goddess! :)
Cinco de Mayo ;)

46 freetoken  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:25:55am

re: #41 goddessoftheclassroom

shhhhhh... Miguel is a known Cinco-terrorist.....

47 littleoldlady  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:26:10am
48 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:26:12am

re: #30 rightside

That, and pay no attention to whom I associated with before, that's the past. I look to the future. Because there is hope. And change. And you can't change the past. If you elect this black president, I will be that change. I hope.

Besides, this is not helping your children at all.

/move along people

49 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:27:07am
50 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:27:15am

re: #46 freetoken

shhhhhh... Miguel is a known Cinco-terrorist.....

Hahahahahaha

51 redc1c4  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:27:45am

re: #33 AmeriDan

Cool, I was a Boiler Tech on an aircraft carrier for four years.

Yeah, I know, a lowly snipe. But I still work in the field and it pays the bills.

you kept the big grey bitch moving, and without that , she might as well have been a reef. you mattered.

thank you for your service. it *ALL* counts.

52 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:28:41am

re: #47 littleoldlady

Is this the Army, Navy and/or the Marines thread?

I love Holiday-on-Ice!
:)

53 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:28:46am

re: #32 Lucius Septimius

More stupidity from my profession: Dartmouth's 'Hostile' Environment

I read that the other day. What a lunatic this woman is. Oddly enough, I also googled for a picture of her (small world up here) and discovered that there were women (all different) in the same profession at at least 2 or 3 other colleges/universities scattered around the US.

Frankly, it almost made me wonder whether to call the INS. That seems like a very unusual name, much too unusual to be repeated for instructors at several different colleges.

See here -
[Link: www.google.com...]

If you click the images link at the very top of the page, you will also find pics of at least one other lady by the same name, this one at Duke.

54 redc1c4  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:29:23am

re: #47 littleoldlady

Is this the Army, Navy and/or the Marines thread?

looks like the Air Force

110% on the "Gay Scale"

55 opnion  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:31:09am

re: #50 MigueldowninMexico

Hahahahahaha

Miguel, Happy Cinco de Mayo!
Congratulations, Ya whipped the French. The French?
I mean , great victory & all, but the French?

56 littleoldlady  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:31:09am

re: #52 MigueldowninMexico

I love Holiday-on-Ice!
:)

I think the midget on skates is the star!

/me and BabbaZee
//Big OTs

57 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:31:25am

re: #32 Lucius Septimius

It almost makes me sick.

One of my former students just got an A in an English 101 (composition) course. He told me he learned more about writing and correct structure when he had me in 8th grade. All he had to write about was how he "felt" about certain topics--no citations.

58 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:31:41am

re: #42 redc1c4

i've been busy killing off non-native plants in the front yard and rearranging things out there. next i have to plant the native grass in back and secure the seeds from the bird population.

there's also the water feature out front to finish and the fountain/birdbath i'm expected to create in back.

/yes dear

ROFLMAO. See, if it were me I would inform the dear that the cost of fresh produce is much too high and expected to shoot over the moon with the price of gas and so on, thus I had decided that all of the available plantings and yard space should be given over to Victory Gardening.

Which is essentially what we are doing here, since I don't mow, the daughter doesn't have time/hates to, and the kiddo is much too young to be allowed to mow unless we get her a foot powered mower.

59 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:31:43am

re: #53 galloping granny

Granny
Lucius

That reminds me of a popular saying in Cuba:
"In Cuba, the one who doesn't applaud is a counter-revolutionary"

The Nazis on the left want us not only to shut up, but to agree wholeheartedly with them...or else.
They're so sick.

60 Irish Rose  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:31:57am

Good morning, iizards.
Another Monday.

61 redc1c4  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:32:21am

night all................. i'd better hit it before HRH wakes up and asks why i'm still up. %-)

L8r!

62 freetoken  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:32:37am

Well, good night all....

Time to sign off my broadcast day... tonight with this to counter Mr. Heller....

63 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:33:16am

re: #55 opnion

Miguel, Happy Cinco de Mayo!
Congratulations, Ya whipped the French. The French?
I mean , great victory & all, but the French?

Hpmfffff...

64 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:33:34am

Good night red. Have a busy day.

65 sparrowlake  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:33:34am

Heller's futility-of-war themes are Moonbat candy.

66 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:34:03am

re: #43 MigueldowninMexico

Thanks for your service too, Dan.
God bless you too :)

re: #38 rightside

Everyones job onboard is important, no matter what. We had fresh air snipes, since we were gas turbine, so I have had to go down to the boiler room, and ask for a BT punch LOL

You are very welcome Miguel. I was proud to serve.

Rightside, my last year in, I was the watch supervisior (BTOW) and had to give a BT punch or three. I always took it easy on them though, just a playfull tap on the arm.

Then I gave then a tour of the Main Machinery Room. I guess I'm just an ole softy.

67 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:35:38am

re: #60 Irish Rose

Good morning, iizards.
Another Monday.

Hello there! :)
Indeed
.

68 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:36:41am

re: #44 goddessoftheclassroom

I am humbled.

However, I know better than to set my sights too high--my goal is to get started. I really enjoyed working on it yesterday with my son.

Oh, don't be humbled. You would not be if you were here, trust me. This is not a new house - an antique, built in 1930. It once had lovely gardens, but they had been allowed to run wild during the entire time the previous owners had the house. I've already spent an entire year digging and clipping and weeding just to see what is even here, LOL, and will be at least a couple more thinning and putzing and moving and dragging and having at stuff with the chain saw unless I simply sterilize the entire mess. Hate to do that because there are some rare old iris, peonies and lilies, if I can ever get enough stuff weeded out to rescue them.

Gardening with kids is wonderful fun - and a great opportunity to slip a few science lessons in or add to their powers of observation. I have some great plans for an aquaculture set up you can do in an old aquarium come fall if you decide you want to give that a whirl too.

69 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:36:46am

re: #62 freetoken

Good night free! :)

70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:36:52am

Hola Lagarto's!

Happy Cinco de Mayo!

71 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:36:55am

re: #32 Lucius Septimius

More stupidity from my profession: Dartmouth's 'Hostile' Environment

After a winter of discontent, the snapping point came while Ms. Venkatesan was lecturing on "ecofeminism," which holds, in part, that scientific advancements benefit the patriarchy but leave women out. One student took issue, and reasonably so – actually, empirically so. But "these weren't thoughtful statements," Ms. Venkatesan protests. "They were irrational." The class thought otherwise. Following what she calls the student's "diatribe," several of his classmates applauded.

Ms. Venkatesan informed her pupils that their behavior was "fascist demagoguery." Then, after consulting a physician about "intellectual distress," she cancelled classes for a week. Thus the pending litigation.

ROFLMAO! Typical light-weight mind. "FASCIST!"

72 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:37:25am

re: #32 Lucius Septimius

More than 25 years ago I had a beautiful friend
he was 83 then
he had degrees in 5 or 6 different disciplines
he had been fired from almost every teaching position he ever held at the university level
and he had walked off the rest
He was reduced to teaching high school science by the time I met him.


So way back then he warned me about this kind of crap in academia and more, and the agenda politics, but I had no understanding then of what he was speaking about, I had not even been to college as a student ...
so I had zero clue about what the environment was like.

He also used to say two things to me
often and emphatically :

The entirety of the fossil evidence they have on the so called origins of man would not fill the bed of a pick up truck.

and

A very small group of incredibly stupid people does 90% the world's thinking for it ~
do not take anything they tell you at face value, they all have an agenda.

Love you Charlie. Miss you like crazy.

73 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:37:36am

re: #61 redc1c4

night all................. i'd better hit it before HRH wakes up and asks why i'm still up. %-)

L8r!

Good night, you poor oppressed man.

/You should joint Men Lib lol

74 redc1c4  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:37:46am

re: #58 galloping granny

ROFLMAO. See, if it were me I would inform the dear that the cost of fresh produce is much too high and expected to shoot over the moon with the price of gas and so on, thus I had decided that all of the available plantings and yard space should be given over to Victory Gardening.

Which is essentially what we are doing here, since I don't mow, the daughter doesn't have time/hates to, and the kiddo is much too young to be allowed to mow unless we get her a foot powered mower.

well, first off: i don't argue with my wife. that's why i have a happy marriage. second of all, there's only two of us, so we need only a bit of green crops, which we produce. since she won't let me crop out the whole area as Zinfandel, there's hardly any reason to anything else anyway.

75 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:38:09am

re: #73 MigueldowninMexico

Good night, you poor oppressed man.

/You should joint Men Lib lol

Oops. Don't joint them, just join them lol

76 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:38:24am

re: #56 littleoldlady

I think the midget on skates is the star!

/me and BabbaZee
//Big OTs

Big OT's are ripping them off!

77 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:38:56am

re: #51 redc1c4

you kept the big grey bitch moving, and without that , she might as well have been a reef. you mattered.

thank you for your service. it *ALL* counts.

Thank you.

78 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:39:06am

re: #53 galloping granny

She is something of a lunatic, it would seem. Interesting background I see -- MS in Genetics and PhD in literature.

It's her area of study now that's bizarre -- essentially the whole point is to argue that "science" has no validity because it's a "social construct" of "patriarchy." So I guess the reason her reactions never worked, or she couldn't balance equations in advanced organic was because of the evil patriarchy.

Glad to see her students were at least paying attention and called her on that nonsense.

79 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:39:37am

re: #70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hola Lagarto's!

Happy Cinco de Mayo!

Hahahaha lagartos lol
Thanks:

80 opnion  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:39:57am

re: #14 rightside

{goddess}

This from the "Raging Obama" thread earlier, but I think it fits...

Seems to me, he wants to be judged on the color of his skin, and not the content of his character.

I heard He & Hillary speak last night at the Jefferson/Jackson dinner.
Hillary was the same old Euro socialism that you would expect.
Barry on the other hand; I have not heard that kind of Marxism since philosophy 101.
The terminology was omitted but the concepts were the same.
Hillary would bleed the middle class, Barry would go for the quick kill.

81 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:40:36am

re: #57 goddessoftheclassroom

My smarter students complain about classes where all they have to do is write about feelings. Of course the ones who want to wallow in their late adolescent angst usually try to avoid me.

82 redc1c4  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:40:49am

re: #73 MigueldowninMexico

Good night, you poor oppressed man.

/You should joint Men Lib lol

Mano, if you lived like i do, you wouldn't want to get liberated either. %-)


*really L8r*

83 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:41:27am

re: #71 MandyManners

After a winter of discontent, the snapping point came while Ms. Venkatesan was lecturing on "ecofeminism," which holds, in part, that scientific advancements benefit the patriarchy but leave women out. One student took issue, and reasonably so – actually, empirically so. But "these weren't thoughtful statements," Ms. Venkatesan protests. "They were irrational." The class thought otherwise. Following what she calls the student's "diatribe," several of his classmates applauded.

Ms. Venkatesan informed her pupils that their behavior was "fascist demagoguery." Then, after consulting a physician about "intellectual distress," she cancelled classes for a week. Thus the pending litigation.

ROFLMAO! Typical light-weight mind. "FASCIST!"

She is damned lucky her students don't sue her for breach of contract. Tuition at Dartmouth runs something on the order of $35000 per year. That figures out to a fairly hefty amount of change on a per class basis.

84 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:41:48am

re: #78 Lucius Septimius

She is something of a lunatic, it would seem. Interesting background I see -- MS in Genetics and PhD in literature.

It's her area of study now that's bizarre -- essentially the whole point is to argue that "science" has no validity because it's a "social construct" of "patriarchy." So I guess the reason her reactions never worked, or she couldn't balance equations in advanced organic was because of the evil patriarchy.

Glad to see her students were at least paying attention and called her on that nonsense.

In a few of my graduate courses, I felt like the kid in "The Emperor's New Clothes" or Alice in Wonderland--some of the literary theory stuff was nonsense.

85 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:42:37am
fascist demagoguery!


DRINK!

86 redc1c4  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:43:01am

re: #77 AmeriDan

Thank you.

de nada...... i was *just* an 11B/19D/buncha other shit-10.

87 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:43:15am

re: #72 BabbaZee

Mornin' Babba!

I have an agenda ... I want my students to be happy, thoughtful, and successful. And I also want them to have good relationships with their parents and with God.

The trick to teaching is to remember that at the end of the day, it's not about your own ego. That is more difficult that it may seem to be.

88 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:43:27am

re: #82 redc1c4

Mano, if you lived like i do, you wouldn't want to get liberated either. %-)


*really L8r*

Congratulations on that! ;)

89 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:43:49am

re: #87 Lucius Septimius

Mornin' Babba!

I have an agenda ... I want my students to be happy, thoughtful, and successful. And I also want them to have good relationships with their parents and with God.

The trick to teaching is to remember that at the end of the day, it's not about your own ego. That is more difficult that it may seem to be.

So I have heard LOL

90 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:44:03am

re: #71 MandyManners

ROFLMAO! Typical light-weight mind. "FASCIST!"

Yep. What a maroon!

91 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:44:08am

re: #85 BabbaZee

DRINK!

And I called her a Nazi.
Me culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa

92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:44:58am

Right now on the Yahoo front page is this news item...

Is Denver ready for an alien encounter?

Honestly? I don't think so. But we'll find out soon enough.

93 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:44:59am

re: #78 Lucius Septimius

She is something of a lunatic, it would seem. Interesting background I see -- MS in Genetics and PhD in literature.

It's her area of study now that's bizarre -- essentially the whole point is to argue that "science" has no validity because it's a "social construct" of "patriarchy." So I guess the reason her reactions never worked, or she couldn't balance equations in advanced organic was because of the evil patriarchy.

Glad to see her students were at least paying attention and called her on that nonsense.

Don't even get me started on the whole "girls don't do science, girls don't do math" thing. One of my girls, who is pretty brilliant mathematically (went to Smith at 16), had the misfortune to land in one of the very first "calculus for girls" classes. It so traumatized her to have to invent calculus while attempting to figure out how many pairs of shoes were in her closet that it was more than a decade before she managed to get back into math.

94 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:44:59am

re: #86 redc1c4

de nada...... i was *just* an 11B/19D/buncha other shit-10.

Way over my head.

/splain

95 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:45:07am

re: #87 Lucius Septimius

Mornin' Babba!

I have an agenda ... I want my students to be happy, thoughtful, and successful. And I also want them to have good relationships with their parents and with God.

The trick to teaching is to remember that at the end of the day, it's not about your own ego. That is more difficult that it may seem to be.

AMEN!

I'm trying to get my kids to THINK about what they read, not just accept it. Of course, getting some of them to read at all is challenge enough...

Didn't someone say that there's no difference between a man who can't read and a man who won't read?

96 opnion  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:45:32am

re: #83 galloping granny

She is damned lucky her students don't sue her for breach of contract. Tuition at Dartmouth runs something on the order of $35000 per year. That figures out to a fairly hefty amount of change on a per class basis.

Ecofeminism? WTF?
I have a niece who minored in 'Peace Studies." I asked for an overview of the material & she could not give it to me, or it was so silly that she was just embarrassed.

97 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:45:47am

Morning Babba.

98 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:46:02am

re: #92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Right now on the Yahoo front page is this news item...


Honestly? I don't think so. But we'll find out soon enough.

HA!
Aliens have been living in Denver for years now!
In huge vaults under DIA.

/Oops, spilled the beans...
//Can't help it, I'm a beaner.

99 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:47:33am

Morning Granny.

100 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:47:54am

re: #87 Lucius Septimius

Mornin' Babba!

I have an agenda ... I want my students to be happy, thoughtful, and successful. And I also want them to have good relationships with their parents and with God.

The trick to teaching is to remember that at the end of the day, it's not about your own ego. That is more difficult that it may seem to be.

I spent a number of years teaching older women returning to the workforce the hard science they needed to acquire a degree in nursing or similar fields. I always got the biggest kick out of their faces when they discovered that some of the "hardest" concepts were things they had known for years from their own kitchens.

101 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:48:57am
102 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:49:00am

re: #83 galloping granny

She is damned lucky her students don't sue her for breach of contract. Tuition at Dartmouth runs something on the order of $35000 per year. That figures out to a fairly hefty amount of change on a per class basis.

I hope they ask for legal fees in their response to her suit.

103 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:49:17am

re: #98 MigueldowninMexico

HA!
Aliens have been living in Denver for years now!
In huge vaults under DIA.

/Oops, spilled the beans...
//Can't help it, I'm a beaner.

There goes the Lizard Secret Lair.

104 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:50:06am

re: #94 AmeriDan

MOS's 11B is an infantry soldier I think. I only knew mine up here. Essentially his jobs in the army.

105 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:50:08am

re: #90 Lucius Septimius

Yep. What a maroon!

She sounds like an incredibly spoiled brat.

106 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:50:24am

re: #91 MigueldowninMexico

And I called her a Nazi.
Me culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa

Heil!

107 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:50:27am

Got to go, dear Lizards--enjoy your Monday!

108 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:50:30am

re: #96 opnion

Ecofeminism? WTF?
I have a niece who minored in 'Peace Studies." I asked for an overview of the material & she could not give it to me, or it was so silly that she was just embarrassed.

This is exactly the reason that I am dead against parents footing the bill for college. Individuals who are paying for it on their own dime pay far more attention to the ROI and usually attempt to actually learn something.

109 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:51:36am

re: #103 AmeriDan

There goes the Lizard Secret Lair.

Darn :(

;)

110 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:51:50am

re: #104 BlueCanuck

MOS's 11B is an infantry soldier I think. I only knew mine up here. Essentially his jobs in the army.

11B10 is standard infantry. 11B something else varies. Infantry connected but specialized and not ground pounders.

111 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:52:26am

re: #106 BabbaZee

Heil!

And thunder!

Hahahaha ;)

112 opnion  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:53:58am

re: #108 galloping granny

This is exactly the reason that I am dead against parents footing the bill for college. Individuals who are paying for it on their own dime pay far more attention to the ROI and usually attempt to actually learn something.

Critical thinking at the university level seems to be frowned upon.
Group think is in vogue.

113 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:54:38am

re: #102 MandyManners

I hope they ask for legal fees in their response to her suit.

Saying you're going to file and actually doing so are two different things. Dartmouth may be a lunatic asylum, rather anti-semitic, and a general nut house, but in other ways the area is pretty conservative. I can't see any local attorney taking such a moonbat suit on unless she has millions to finance the thing. Not to mention I think she would have to go pretty far even to find an attorney with no connection to Dartmouth.

114 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:54:48am

re: #108 galloping granny

This is exactly the reason that I am dead against parents footing the bill for college. Individuals who are paying for it on their own dime pay far more attention to the ROI and usually attempt to actually learn something.

I've taught at different kinds of schools where parents paid tuition, and at others where students payed it themselves.
The difference is very obvious. The latter study/work more.

115 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:54:53am

{BabbaZee}

Always the perfect video from you. I may be AmeriDan, but in the non-AlBore intertubes world, I'm Danny.

And yes the pipes are calling.

116 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:55:09am

re: #110 galloping granny

Meh, take away all their fancy toys and everyone is a grunt. :)

/only thing that gave us joy.

117 littleoldlady  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:55:23am

re: #96 opnion

Ecofeminism? WTF?
I have a niece who minored in 'Peace Studies." I asked for an overview of the material & she could not give it to me, or it was so silly that she was just embarrassed.

My personal favorite is the (white, Jewish) kid who recently graduated from Haverford College ($$$$$) having taken "five or six black centric courses". When I asked him exactly what career path necessitated a curriculum like that, his answer was, "I took them because they interested me. I thought that's what college is about..."

118 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:55:32am

re: #112 opnion

Critical thinking at the university level seems to be frowned upon.
Group think is in vogue.

Eins! Zwei! Drei! Vier!

119 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:56:13am

re: #112 opnion

Critical thinking at the university level seems to be frowned upon.
Group think is in vogue.

That is what they are being taught from the day they enter kindergarten, with some few exceptions like the area Goddess teaches in. "we are all the same. . . . . there is no such thing as talent or "smart" . . . . . never give offense . . . . . . . NO TOLERANCE!"

120 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:56:38am

re: #105 MandyManners

She sounds like an incredibly spoiled brat.

Bingo.

How's the Kid this morning? Still trafficking in contraband?

121 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:57:20am

re: #117 littleoldlady

My personal favorite is the (white, Jewish) kid who recently graduated from Haverford College ($$$$$) having taken "five or six black centric courses". When I asked him exactly what career path necessitated a curriculum like that, his answer was, "I took them because they interested me. I thought that's what college is about..."

I remember that.
Would you mind telling us how much that capriccio cost him?

122 littleoldlady  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:58:08am

re: #121 MigueldowninMexico

EASILY $200,000.

/The Rich Are Different

123 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:58:26am

re: #114 MigueldowninMexico

I've taught at different kinds of schools where parents paid tuition, and at others where students payed it themselves.
The difference is very obvious. The latter study/work more.

I went back to college about the time I turned 40. Absolutely flabbergasting.

124 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:58:34am

re: #122 littleoldlady

EASILY $200,000.

/The Rich Are Different

Very

different.

125 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:59:14am

re: #111 MigueldowninMexico

And thunder!

Hahahaha ;)

And Lightning !

LOLOLOLOLOL!

126 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:59:20am

re: #117 littleoldlady

My personal favorite is the (white, Jewish) kid who recently graduated from Haverford College ($$$$$) having taken "five or six black centric courses". When I asked him exactly what career path necessitated a curriculum like that, his answer was, "I took them because they interested me. I thought that's what college is about..."

They provided necessary skills for functioning in an increasing diverse world, or at least that's the BS rationale we're always being given for offering those sorts of classes.

127 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:59:34am

re: #123 galloping granny

I went back to college about the time I turned 40. Absolutely flabbergasting.

HUGE difference to the younger years right?
That's when one is really interested in learning.

128 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 3:59:46am

re: #115 AmeriDan

The pipes are ALWAYS calling!
;~}

129 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:00:30am

re: #113 galloping granny

Saying you're going to file and actually doing so are two different things. Dartmouth may be a lunatic asylum, rather anti-semitic, and a general nut house, but in other ways the area is pretty conservative. I can't see any local attorney taking such a moonbat suit on unless she has millions to finance the thing. Not to mention I think she would have to go pretty far even to find an attorney with no connection to Dartmouth.

All she has to do is find a moonbat attorney who hates Dartmouth. I'm sure they're out there.

130 opnion  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:00:40am

Peter Ducey (son of Steve) is moderating a student focus group with Villanova students right now on Fox.
The question was did Obama distance from Wright for political reasons?
One kid turned himself into a pretzel trying to rationalize for Barry.
It was all "I feel" He was followed by another kid who said 'Of course he did."

131 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:00:40am

re: #125 BabbaZee

And Lightning !

LOLOLOLOLOL!

Hahahaha Babba!
You have a link for every thing! LOL

132 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:00:57am

re: #126 Lucius Septimius

They provided necessary skills for functioning in an increasing diverse world, or at least that's the BS rationale we're always being given for offering those sorts of classes.

The must mean that it attuned him to sit calmly through a diatribe like the Good Reverend Wright's and simply accept his guilt while shouting Hallelujah!

133 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:01:05am

re: #127 MigueldowninMexico

HUGE difference to the younger years right?
That's when one is really interested in learning.

I teach both traditional and "non-traditional" students. There is a profound difference, though I must say that in each group, there are still people who shouldn't be in college -- it's not for everybody.

134 sparrowlake  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:01:07am

re: #81 Lucius Septimius

My smarter students complain about classes where all they have to do is write about feelings. Of course the ones who want to wallow in their late adolescent angst usually try to avoid me.

I am not a teacher but I have a slightly different take.
If what I hear and see is true, then our society is experiencing a literacy crisis. Given the low levels of literacy among our youth, including the difficulty many have in expressing themselves, I would encourage educators to focus more on imparting the basic communication skills such as grammar, spelling and organization, and to worry less about the subject matter of the writing. My pet peeve is the poor and sloppy writing skills all too oftern exhibited even by those who have university degrees and are obviously intelligent. I always encouraged my own kids to read, read, read, and to write about anything - but to do it well.

136 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:01:37am

re: #132 galloping granny

The must mean that it attuned him to sit calmly through a diatribe like the Good Reverend Wright's and simply accept his guilt while shouting Hallelujah!

Gold star for you, granny!

137 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:01:52am

re: #131 MigueldowninMexico

Hahahaha Babba!
You have a link for every thing! LOL

A very agreeable song! :)

139 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:02:31am

re: #133 Lucius Septimius

I teach both traditional and "non-traditional" students. There is a profound difference, though I must say that in each group, there are still people who shouldn't be in college -- it's not for everybody.

Agreed.

140 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:02:35am

re: #110 galloping granny

11B10 is standard infantry. 11B something else varies. Infantry connected but specialized and not ground pounders.

Note to self... don't piss off red

141 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:03:42am
142 littleoldlady  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:03:46am

Miguel,

Just looked it up.

2008-2009 Costs

* Tuition
$37,175
* Room and Board
$11,450
* Student Activity Fee
$350
* Total:
$48,975

In addition, first year students must add a $180 Orientation Fee making the yearly budget $51,817.

And that, of course, doesn't include all the "extras"...

143 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:04:16am

re: #134 sparrowlake

True, though having them write about something and pay attention to the material is a way of avoiding having them just write about feelings -- if they have to focus on analyzing evidence there is not so much room for gushing about this or that. And in the process, they have to learn how to frame their ideas in proper form -- in my courses, at least, half of the grade is on form.

Creative writing is a whole different bag, and I wish they insisted on good grammar there as well.

144 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:04:41am

re: #127 MigueldowninMexico

HUGE difference to the younger years right?
That's when one is really interested in learning.

I think the biggest difference was that I had gained a tremendous number of organizational skills and intense juggling ability over 20 years of marriage, work and 4 daughters - all of whom were teens when I went back to school as a single mother who worked full time to boot. I could accomplish in a few hours what the kids I went to school with could not get done in a month. (Of course I was not distracted by mixers, frat parties and the latest rent party.)

145 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:04:53am

re: #142 littleoldlady

Miguel,

And that, of course, doesn't include all the "extras"...

Like dope ...

146 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:05:32am

re: #134 sparrowlake

I am not a teacher but I have a slightly different take.
If what I hear and see is true, then our society is experiencing a literacy crisis. Given the low levels of literacy among our youth, including the difficulty many have in expressing themselves, I would encourage educators to focus more on imparting the basic communication skills such as grammar, spelling and organization, and to worry less about the subject matter of the writing. My pet peeve is the poor and sloppy writing skills all too oftern exhibited even by those who have university degrees and are obviously intelligent. I always encouraged my own kids to read, read, read, and to write about anything - but to do it well.

I agree with you.

d txt kills lang.

Kids here are losing the use of hard "c". It's all k: kiero un tako.
Ugh!

And I found out yesterday that the national average in Mexico is 7 books a year per person.
People don't read. And write badly, yes.

147 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:05:34am

re: #117 littleoldlady

My personal favorite is the (white, Jewish) kid who recently graduated from Haverford College ($$$$$) having taken "five or six black centric courses". When I asked him exactly what career path necessitated a curriculum like that, his answer was, "I took them because they interested me. I thought that's what college is about..."

Sounds fine to me. Sometimes knowledge is just to be gathered.

148 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:06:17am

re: #144 galloping granny

I'm amazed by folks I have who come from working full time and then taking classes, sometimes two a night. They'll be in class from 6 to almost 11 at night and are still going strong. I don't know where they get the energy.

149 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:06:44am

re: #120 Lucius Septimius

He's perfect! Of course, he's still sound asleep.

150 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:07:20am

re: #133 Lucius Septimius

I teach both traditional and "non-traditional" students. There is a profound difference, though I must say that in each group, there are still people who shouldn't be in college -- it's not for everybody.

Tell THAT to any college around these days! I happen to agree with you. Even among my non-traditionals, who would put in slave labor to ace the anatomy class they needed for a seat in nursing, there were some who just could not learn at that level, no matter what.

151 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:07:32am

re: #149 MandyManners

He's perfect! Of course, he's still sound asleep.

They're always so cute when they're sleeping. Then they get up and start making demands and the buzz wears off.

152 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:08:39am

re: #142 littleoldlady

Miguel,

Just looked it up.


And that, of course, doesn't include all the "extras"...

I'm going to start a charity.
To help poor Third World 59 y/o men.
If I hit a few fellows like that with a yearly contribution, I'm all set.
LOLOLOL!

What's that kid's addy?
LOL

153 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:09:31am

re: #150 galloping granny

I had a woman in class who had a checkered academic past -- started as a traditional student, flunked out, lived on the wild side for a while, finally at around 40 came back to school and after a couple of rocky terms finally got her act together and graduated with honors. Very smart, very attractive, but some real attitude problems.

At graduation I met her dad -- he was a professor. Hmmmm ....

154 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:09:33am

re: #128 BabbaZee

The pipes are ALWAYS calling!
;~}

If you were wondering, the latest music vid I can't find at YouTube that I would like to see is...

George Strait... "I saw God today".

Just an FYI.

155 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:09:43am

re: #145 Lucius Septimius

Like dope ...

Change!
I mean, Obama.

156 littleoldlady  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:09:52am

re: #147 MandyManners

Sounds fine to me. Sometimes knowledge is just to be gathered.

Sure, but a couple of books from Amazon would have been cheaper.

157 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:10:42am

re: #142 littleoldlady

Miguel,

Just looked it up.

And that, of course, doesn't include all the "extras"...

Or books. A single science text these days is $100 minimum. Not including the lab book or study guide. The better ones run to $200+. Stick the word "medicine" on something and increase the price by $50. Math is running $100 or more too. Financial aid allows $450 per year for books. My girls are spending that per class for some classes.

158 Irish Rose  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:11:13am

Did anyone catch this little gem from the "angry Barry" thread last night?

James Pickens is typical of those who have been inspired by the black senator from Illinois. A reformed crack cocaine dealer, he is now peddling Obama T-shirts.

Mr Pickens, 50, has served three prison terms totalling 13 years, but vowed to change his ways after hearing Mr Obama speak.

He said: "I never voted for a president before. He's for change, which is something I need in my life. Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling T-shirts."

Another typical wretched soul saved, by the Obamessiah!

159 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:11:34am

re: #134 sparrowlake

not an accident.

160 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:12:37am

re: #157 galloping granny

Or books. A single science text these days is $100 minimum. Not including the lab book or study guide. The better ones run to $200+. Stick the word "medicine" on something and increase the price by $50. Math is running $100 or more too. Financial aid allows $450 per year for books. My girls are spending that per class for some classes.

Wow!

161 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:13:11am

re: #154 AmeriDan

If you were wondering, the latest music vid I can't find at YouTube that I would like to see is...

George Strait... "I saw God today".

Just an FYI.


I know ZERO about country music beyond the 1970's.

And very little before that.

First time I am ever hearing this song.

162 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:13:42am

re: #151 Lucius Septimius

They're always so cute when they're sleeping. Then they get up and start making demands and the buzz wears off.

Sometimes it's hard to remember that he's the same peson who was my little, sweet bundle a few years ago.

163 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:14:00am

re: #159 BabbaZee


not an accident.

Babba, that's a VERY interesting site.
I'm bookmarking it to read at ease.
thanks a lot!

164 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:14:24am
165 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:14:38am

re: #163 MigueldowninMexico

{miguel}

166 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:14:57am

AmeriDan ~ I love your George Strait song!

167 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:15:31am

re: #148 Lucius Septimius

I'm amazed by folks I have who come from working full time and then taking classes, sometimes two a night. They'll be in class from 6 to almost 11 at night and are still going strong. I don't know where they get the energy.

Coffee. Very strong, very black. When I was in school I slept about 45 minutes a night, attended class from 8-3 or so, spent a couple hours with the girls and snuck in a half hour nap, ran the computer lab until 2 am four nights a week and then started all over again. Towards the end I happened to have to have a physical for my clinical rotations. The doctor asked how much coffee I drank, so I asked her "Do you remember medical school? That much." That was explanation enough. About once every 3 weeks I would end up sleeping for 24 hours or so.

168 Widow'smight  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:15:37am

re: #156 littleoldlady

Got a package for you sunshine, some white, some lavender.

Is the Mean, nasty one home yet?

169 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:15:37am

re: #158 Irish Rose

Typical crack dealer?

All hail Obama!

Take that typical white government CIA conspiracies!

170 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:16:30am

re: #156 littleoldlady

Sure, but a couple of books from Amazon would have been cheaper.

I doubt it would've been the same. Gotta' take something to fill in those electives.

171 sparrowlake  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:16:35am

re: #159 BabbaZee


not an accident.

lol. Ignorance and mental sloth are the opiates of the masses?
Good morning Babba.

172 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:17:45am

re: #164 BabbaZee

What happens when they take your words away

Do you like Ayn Rand Babba?
I don't know what to think of her.

173 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:18:16am

re: #171 sparrowlake

lol. Ignorance and mental sloth are the opiates of the masses?
Good morning Babba.

{Sparrow}

Pretty much.
Take the WORD out of the mouth
and one can no longer rationally think or speak.
Makes it much easier to own you.

174 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:19:15am

re: #161 BabbaZee

I know ZERO about country music beyond the 1970's.

And very little before that.

First time I am ever hearing this song.

I love you, in a Lizard way. Thanks.

Glad you liked the song.

True inspiration

BRB, gotta go watch it again.

Thank You!

175 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:20:06am

Speaking of ignorance and mental sloth, time for me to go administer a final exam. I haven't had any last minute panicky emails, which suggests to me no one studied. I wonder who won't bother to show up.

Have a great day, ya'll. Keep it Obama!

176 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:20:34am

re: #153 Lucius Septimius

I had a woman in class who had a checkered academic past -- started as a traditional student, flunked out, lived on the wild side for a while, finally at around 40 came back to school and after a couple of rocky terms finally got her act together and graduated with honors. Very smart, very attractive, but some real attitude problems.

At graduation I met her dad -- he was a professor. Hmmmm ....

That isn't particularly surprising to me. One of my daughters dated the son of a high official in the state police during her high school years. The first thing that kid did when turned loose on the world far away from home was sell drugs over the internet (no world wide web back then.)

For that matter, my mother (teacher) forced me to go to college at 17. I went. I majored in smokers and frat parties. I flunked every class except American History, which I could not fail if I tried, and then I came home, got married and went to Europe for a few years. The going to Europe part was what I wanted to do instead of college - didn't know what I wanted to be when I grew up. I did end up acquiring a couple of degrees here and there, but would have done so much sooner if left to my own devices.

177 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:21:15am

re: #167 galloping granny

I love coffee, but I love sleep more. That third of my life I spend horizontal and unconscious is precious. Having kids only strengthened that feeling.

Good on you keeping it up, though.

178 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:21:43am

re: #168 Widow'smight

Got a package for you sunshine, some white, some lavender.

Is the Mean, nasty one home yet?

Are you giving away more of your garden? I can't wait for it to get warm enough overnights here to plant the cana.

179 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:22:13am

re: #176 galloping granny

Hell, I still don't know what I want to be when I grow up. Pretty soon, I won't have to worry about it any more.

180 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:22:26am

Ok lizards. Got to go now.
Good bye and God bless all :)

181 freetoken  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:22:55am

re: #160 MigueldowninMexico

Wow!

On textbooks... it is such a racket.

The American publishers work with the colleges to produce the required texts... now the professors don't normally make much money - they aren't getting rich writing texts. However, in so many subjects the reality is that for undergraduate classes a new text every year or two simply is not needed (obviously contemporary studies in politics, for example, do need regularly updated texts, and upper division/graduate classes in bio-engineering, etc.)

Classic case is foreign languages. E.g., in Japanese I know that several "top tier" American schools pick the texts from the American publishers, which as, >$100 for simple beginner level texts. However, publishers in Japan (naturally enough) produce the best texts on the subject... but only charge circa $40 or $50 for their books....

Well, anyway... I guess I was signed off once, but came back in to check out what was happening... I really need to go now...

182 littleoldlady  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:23:41am

re: #168 Widow'smight

Got a package for you sunshine, some white, some lavender.

Is the Mean, nasty one home yet?

KEWL! I'm almost done cleaning up that part of the garden!

MNT has been home. She left Hofstra after the first semester, been going to DCCC this semester (I would say as a "place holder", but it turns out I'm very impressed with our community college), and will be going to Philadelphia University in the Fall.

/back to Plan A!

183 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:24:04am

re: #177 Lucius Septimius

I love coffee, but I love sleep more. That third of my life I spend horizontal and unconscious is precious. Having kids only strengthened that feeling.

Good on you keeping it up, though.

You do what you have to do. Trust me, I like sleep. I had four teens though and it was really important to me to finish my degrees before they started in with college, so I went to school year round, never took less than 18 credit hours a semester and finished 6 years worth of work in just under 3.

I figured I could always sleep when I was old. I was wrong there. Now I have trouble staying horizontal for more than 5 hours or so.

184 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:24:07am

re: #172 MigueldowninMexico

Do you like Ayn Rand Babba?
I don't know what to think of her.

I do not like her.
I know her work well.
There is truth in it.
There is also massive amounts of bullshit in it.

Basically what she did is what many intellectual Jewish people of many stripes do and have done since Sinai

They take what they want from the TORAH
separate GOD from it
and assign the GOD position to someone or something else

in her case it was SELF
in many cases it is

in almost all of the rest
GOD becomes STATE

What she articulated IMO is also ULTIMATELY a form of totalitarianism
MOF she was in her personal life quite the little fascisti dictatress herself.

They even called their little group "the collective"
it was supposed to be ironic
and it was
just not the way she intended

There is a very fine line between her ideas and the ideas she railed against.

Disclaimer: Most people do not like this opinion of mine.

LOL

Big Ottiness!

185 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:24:18am

More and more pets are being dumped for frivolous reasons, according to the RSPCA, who last week revealed that the number of abandoned animals rose to 7,347 last year - a 23 per cent increase on the previous year.

The charity blames the figures on our "throwaway society", and exposed some of the astonishing excuses that owners use, including a cat given away because she didn't match the new carpet, and a dog who was unwanted because "she hurts my legs when she wags her tail".


SNIP

186 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:25:39am

re: #180 MigueldowninMexico

Ok lizards. Got to go now.
Good bye and God bless all :)

Enjoy Cinco de Mayo!

/runs and ducks

187 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:25:43am

re: #182 littleoldlady

KEWL! I'm almost done cleaning up that part of the garden!

MNT has been home. She left Hofstra after the first semester, been going to DCCC this semester (I would say as a "place holder", but it turns out I'm very impressed with our community college), and will be going to Philadelphia University in the Fall.

/back to Plan A!

Good to hear. Some of the very finest colleges in this country these days are community colleges. Very few of them allow moon battiness.

188 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:26:05am

re: #174 AmeriDan

right back at ye

189 ec marm  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:26:40am

'Muslim callous' conspicuous on forehead of two of the three muslim garb wearing, cop-killing bank robbers in Philadelphia. Score to date:
One in custody
One dispatched to allah/stan
One still on the run

190 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:26:58am

re: #179 Lucius Septimius

Hell, I still don't know what I want to be when I grow up. Pretty soon, I won't have to worry about it any more.

That is about the size of it.

191 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:27:22am

re: #183 galloping granny

You do what you have to do. Trust me, I like sleep. I had four teens though and it was really important to me to finish my degrees before they started in with college, so I went to school year round, never took less than 18 credit hours a semester and finished 6 years worth of work in just under 3.

I figured I could always sleep when I was old. I was wrong there. Now I have trouble staying horizontal for more than 5 hours or so.

Reminds me of the attorney I interned with. He had a Ph.D. in child psychology. He attended University of Denver's night school program five year course in three years while maintaining a full roster of patients.

192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:27:39am

re: #150 galloping granny

Tell THAT to any college around these days! I happen to agree with you. Even among my non-traditionals, who would put in slave labor to ace the anatomy class they needed for a seat in nursing, there were some who just could not learn at that level, no matter what.

This quote from Caddyshack...

Danny Noonan: I planned to go to law school after I graduated, but it looks like my folks won't have enough money to put me through college.
Judge Smails: Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too.

A lot of truth to that. Though the line was meant to illustrate the judge's snobbery.

With good enough grades, anyone can go to college. Money is not relevant.

Fortunately, I realized that I wasn't college material before anyone spent the first nickel on my attending.

193 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:28:36am

re: #189 ec marm

'Muslim callous' conspicuous on forehead of two of the three muslim garb wearing, cop-killing bank robbers in Philadelphia. Score to date:
One in custody
One dispatched to allah/stan
One still on the run

I wonder if they're NOI or regular Muslims.

194 Killer Tomato  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:30:30am

Well, there's a vast difference between being educated and being intelligent.

Thanks to everyone who kept me in their thoughts and prayers! I'm heading to work in just a bit. Driving ought to be fun with 20 staples in. ouch! But, I'm upright and still breathing!

195 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:30:53am

re: #194 Killer Tomato

Great to hear!

196 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:30:58am

re: #189 ec marm

'Muslim callous' conspicuous on forehead of two of the three muslim garb wearing, cop-killing bank robbers in Philadelphia. Score to date:
One in custody
One dispatched to allah/stan
One still on the run

You know, I cannot recall ever seeing the "muslim callous" before the last few years. Is this something relatively new or is it just me?

197 AmeriDan  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:31:16am

re: #188 BabbaZee

right back at ye

There you go again, spot on as always.

198 ec marm  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:31:27am

re: #193 MandyManners

I wonder if they're NOI or regular Muslims.


Seems they all have spent time in the Governors accommodation's so I guess regular. Jail = fertile breeding ground for islam.

199 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:31:34am

re: #194 Killer Tomato

Well, there's a vast difference between being educated and being intelligent.

Thanks to everyone who kept me in their thoughts and prayers! I'm heading to work in just a bit. Driving ought to be fun with 20 staples in. ouch! But, I'm upright and still breathing!

We are so glad you are!

200 Widow'smight  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:31:54am

re: #182 littleoldlady

Our oldest (my step daughter) had to be talked into staying in college after her first semester. Her Father (mussah, rissah grunt) told her to quit school and do massage therapy. She has Roomy-toid arthitis now. Anyway, after 5 years she has a special education and elementary education degree and is teaching.

Her dad borrowed the money for the 1st year, then went Bankrupt, some in a way I paid for 4 + years of her College. She has no loans to repay.

Life's a journey, and you don't have an earthly tour guide.

201 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:32:06am

re: #184 BabbaZee

I'm so glad I asked!
Thanks for that :)
Now I have a much clearer idea ;)

Ok, i'm signing off for real lol
*poof*

202 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:32:45am

re: #186 AmeriDan

Enjoy Cinco de Mayo!

/runs and ducks

Hahahaha.
Still appreciate it ;)


BYE!

203 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:33:01am

re: #194 Killer Tomato

Well, there's a vast difference between being educated and being intelligent.

Thanks to everyone who kept me in their thoughts and prayers! I'm heading to work in just a bit. Driving ought to be fun with 20 staples in. ouch! But, I'm upright and still breathing!

There is also a huge difference these days between being truly educated and owning a college degree that claims that you are. In my not very humble opinion, most college degrees these days are hard put to be worth the paper they are printed on.

204 opnion  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:34:06am

re: #202 MigueldowninMexico

Hahahaha.
Still appreciate it ;)


BYE!

Enjoy the celebration!

205 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:34:26am

Warning to the Professionally Aggrieved lurking among us:

The following link goes to some Big OT's clingy freaking honky hoopled gun totin' Jesus huggin' evangelical God mouth site so don't tell me how you need therapy now from being exposed to such Big Goy Ottiness so suddenly.

Hegelian Dialects: The Devil's Winning Tool

Hegelian dialectics is being used around the world as a tool to break down traditional beliefs with the objective of replacing them with something new.

Georg Wilhelm Hegel (1770-1831) was a liberal German philosopher who led the German Idealist movement, turning his back on orthodox Christianity and holding to a type of pantheism. He denied that there is such a thing as absolute truth. He said it is “narrow” and “dogmatic” to assume that of two opposite assertions, one must be true and the other false. He rejected the Bible and proposed that man is on an evolutionary journey and that human history is the record of a process of conflict and synthesis that he referred to as the dialectical process of Spirit, believing that man would eventually reach his highest state, ultimately arriving at “the Absolute Idea” which would be so perfect it could not be challenged or synthesized.

The Hegelian system is described as follows:

“It was Hegel’s view that all things unfold in a continuing evolutionary process whereby each idea or quality (the THESIS) inevitably brings forth its opposite (the ANTITHESIS). From that interaction, a third state emerges in which the opposites are integrated, overcome, and fulfilled in a richer and higher SYNTHESIS. This synthesis then becomes the basis for another dialectical process of opposition and synthesis. Hegel believed that the creative stress of opposing positions was essential for developing higher states of consciousness. In the moment of synthesis, the opposites are both preserved and transcended, negated and fulfilled” (Corinne McLaughlin and Gordon Davidson, Spiritual Politics, 1994, p. 88).

Hegel believed that this process has a life of its own, in an evolutionary sense, but since the days of Karl Marx and Frederick Engels it has been used as a guided process toward a desired end.

The objective of Hegelian dialectics in this sense is to replace something old with something new (e.g., capitalism with communism, traditional Bible doctrine with theological modernism, a traditional educational system based on moral absolutes with a new one based on relativism, an old age with a new).


Stand in the ways and see
And ask for the old paths
where the good way is
And walk in it
Then you will find rest for your souls.

But they said, ‘We will not walk in it."
~ Jeremiah 6:16

206 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:34:39am

re: #198 ec marm

Seems they all have spent time in the Governors accommodation's so I guess regular. Jail = fertile breeding ground for islam.

No NOI in prisons?

207 ec marm  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:34:45am

re: #196 galloping granny

You know, I cannot recall ever seeing the "muslim callous" before the last few years. Is this something relatively new or is it just me?


I don't know either. But it's good to know about. If I was boarding a plane with half a dozen peeps with that on their foreheads I might think twice.
The Phila. police hang out at a certain message board and they've been chatting about it. I won't mention the board cause they're saying some not so nice things and I don't want them to get into trouble.

208 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:35:18am

re: #201 MigueldowninMexico

G'night Miguelito!

209 Widow'smight  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:35:50am

re: #178 galloping granny

I'll send you a few, I have to go through the rest of containers to see what's left. I also need to get a couple more Clematis for the back fence, and 4 more Rhodi's to replace the ones that died.

Time to put the peppers in!

210 Killer Tomato  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:36:18am

re: #203 galloping granny

Some of the most clueless people I've ever known had a string of initials after their name, while some of the most brilliant people I've encountered never attended college, and in a couple of cases, didn't finish high school. The piece of paper merely tells me you spent years sitting in classrooms - doesn't mean you necessarily learned anything of any importance.

211 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:36:54am

re: #207 ec marm

I don't know either. But it's good to know about. If I was boarding a plane with half a dozen peeps with that on their foreheads I might think twice.
The Phila. police hang out at a certain message board and they've been chatting about it. I won't mention the board cause they're saying some not so nice things and I don't want them to get into trouble.

There is no question but that I would not get on the plane. Though I will not fly these days anyway.

212 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:37:26am

re: #205 BabbaZee

Hegel's great for the arrogance of youth. They want to believe that their parents' ways are out-moded and that they are destined to reveal the higher truths.

213 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:38:39am

re: #212 MandyManners

Hegel's great for the arrogance of youth. They want to believe that their parents' ways are out-moded and that they are destined to reveal the higher truths.

This is the oldest lament in the book

See Calf, Golden


lol

214 Widow'smight  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:38:53am

re: #207 ec marm


Wonder if Obama is going to say anything about those Bitter, gun-using, bible-thumping small town folks that killed that cop over the weekend.

Oh wait, they weren't small town or bible thumping, how can this be oh great one?

215 ec marm  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:39:30am

re: #206 MandyManners

No NOI in prisons?


Not so sure. If you go to a mainstream islamic search site for mosques they usually list the ones that are in jail. Not so sure they would do that for NOI.

216 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:39:48am

re: #209 Widow'smight

I'll send you a few, I have to go through the rest of containers to see what's left. I also need to get a couple more Clematis for the back fence, and 4 more Rhodi's to replace the ones that died.

Time to put the peppers in!

Oh you are so lucky! NO peppers here for another 3.5 weeks bare minimum. I would send you a Rhodi cutting but won't have any ready before fall. Though if you are into Rhodis you might check out the American Rhododendron Society. They are online, I believe they have some plants you can buy, but they also have a seed sale - very inexpensive, but you have to wait a couple of years for the plants of course.

217 opnion  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:40:00am

Fare thee well, Dear lizards.I must take my leave.
Go thee forth in to the world and slapaeth sense into liberals.
For it is written that Lizards rule!

218 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:40:44am

re: #217 opnion

Fare thee well, Dear lizards.I must take my leave.
Go thee forth in to the world and slapaeth sense into liberals.
For it is written that Lizards rule!



So let it be written
So let it be done

219 Widow'smight  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:40:51am

re: #210 Killer Tomato


I consider someone brilliant who can diagnose/fix a problem I have. Like the car Mechanic I go to.

220 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:41:46am

re: #192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

there is always deep truth in good comedy

221 littleoldlady  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:42:06am

re: #200 Widow'smight

It wasn't a matter of staying in college with MNT, it was THAT college. Hofstra was an (expensive!) experiment. We all learned a lot. :-(

Philadelphia University has a terrific program for what she (thinks) she wants to do. And if she changes her mind (littleoldlady loses more hair!) they have 2 or 3 programs that cover her other interests.

Otherwise, she could've gone to Temple ("She could have gone anywhere..." © Bill Cosby) and not have any outstanding loans at all when she finishes. As it is, I'm hoping it WON'T to be an amount she spends her entire working career paying off.

222 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:43:58am

re: #213 BabbaZee

This is the oldest lament in the book

See Calf, Golden


lol

Much to the chagrin of the young, there's nothing new at all.

223 Killer Tomato  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:44:51am

re: #219 Widow'smight

And plumbers, and electricians, and the list goes on and on. They make a damn good living too!

224 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:44:57am

When I was a kid it seriously chapped my hide to watch absolute morons go off to college while I worked shit jobs and starved. I wanted to go badly.

Today I am certain that having been prevented by circumstance from "higher education" was the best thing for my higher education.

LOL

225 Widow'smight  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:45:22am

re: #221 littleoldlady

As long as mom and dad love her, she'll be fine.

Have a wonderful day, you are fearfully and wonderfully made.

226 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:45:29am

re: #215 ec marm

Not so sure. If you go to a mainstream islamic search site for mosques they usually list the ones that are in jail. Not so sure they would do that for NOI.

We all know what regular Islam thinks about NOI.

227 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:46:00am

re: #219 Widow'smight

I consider someone brilliant who can diagnose/fix a problem I have. Like the car Mechanic I go to.

Yup. I have a nephew that is the most mechanically brilliant human being I've ever seen. He could take sliders off doors and disassemble/reassemble Grandpa's alarm clock before he could walk. Didn't have parents who focused him on his studies, hated school, ended up dropping out and now he is a contractor. Draws blueprints in his head. He was up here building a new deck last week and teaching the kiddo geometry I didn't know. Really neat for her to learn that math is more than numbers in a book!

228 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:46:18am

re: #226 MandyManners

We all know what regular Islam thinks about NOI.

that will not prevent them from using them as they see fit, as they do with the whores of Gramsci

229 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:47:13am

Goooooooood Morning Lizard Nation! Another 'exciting' Monday is upon us. Whoop dee damn doo!

230 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:47:31am
The enemy is anybody who’s going to get you killed, no matter which side he’s on.

— Joseph Heller


Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

231 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:47:38am

FOUR THOUSAND PEOPLE DEAD IN BURMA?

232 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:48:11am

re: #221 littleoldlady

It wasn't a matter of staying in college with MNT, it was THAT college. Hofstra was an (expensive!) experiment. We all learned a lot. :-(

Philadelphia University has a terrific program for what she (thinks) she wants to do. And if she changes her mind (littleoldlady loses more hair!) they have 2 or 3 programs that cover her other interests.

Otherwise, she could've gone to Temple ("She could have gone anywhere..." © Bill Cosby) and not have any outstanding loans at all when she finishes. As it is, I'm hoping it WON'T to be an amount she spends her entire working career paying off.

I'm hoping it won't be an amount that YOU will spend the next twenty years paying off. My SIL's mother made the mistake of signing for the student loans for her two younger sons (SIL went the military route.) She and hubby are selling the house they have owned outright for more than two decades to pay off the student loans because the dead beat kids won't/can't pay so she must.

233 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:48:12am
234 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:48:32am

re: #230 storagemanager

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Amen!

235 Irish Rose  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:48:33am

re: #230 storagemanager

Good morning to you, storage.

236 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:48:45am

re: #231 MandyManners

FOUR THOUSAND PEOPLE DEAD IN BURMA?

huh?

237 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:48:49am

re: #228 BabbaZee

that will not prevent them from using them as they see fit, as they do with the whores of Gramsci

I wish they could see that.

238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:49:33am

re: #231 MandyManners

FOUR THOUSAND PEOPLE DEAD IN BURMA?

Wouldn't surprise me at all. Yesterday, read up on the "country" and it is a hell hole without a natural disaster. Oh goodness. Where did you see 4,000?

239 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:49:53am

re: #236 BabbaZee

The cyclone.

240 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:50:02am

re: #231 MandyManners
Big Cyclone, which is another name for a typhoon. Large tidal surge, lots of flooding. It is the same type of storm that hits India or Bangladesh and drowns so many because of the low lying countryside.

241 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:50:11am

re: #238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wouldn't surprise me at all. Yesterday, read up on the "country" and it is a hell hole without a natural disaster. Oh goodness. Where did you see 4,000?

Fox just now.

242 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:50:16am

re: #239 MandyManners

Oh

243 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:50:29am
In sweeping comments before Israel's 60th anniversary, President Shimon Peres has compared the Iranian nuclear threat to Hitler's Germany. He says talking to Hamas would be like talking to a wall. And his birthday wish for Israel is for it to lead the world in science.

Peres says he wants his country to be "as old as the Ten Commandments and as new as nano-technology."

As for Iran, Peres says the combination of fanatic leadership and a nuclear bomb would be a "nightmare for the world."

"In a way it's more complicated than in the time of the Nazis," he said Monday. "Hitler didn't have a nuclear bomb."

The 84-year-old president says talking to Hamas militants would be like "having a dialogue with the wall."

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

244 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:50:44am

re: #240 pingjockey

Big Cyclone, which is another name for a typhoon. Large tidal surge, lots of flooding. It is the same type of storm that hits India or Bangladesh and drowns so many because of the low lying countryside.

It's like one big beach until you hit the mountains.

245 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:50:49am

re: #224 BabbaZee

When I was a kid it seriously chapped my hide to watch absolute morons go off to college while I worked shit jobs and starved. I wanted to go badly.

Today I am certain that having been prevented by circumstance from "higher education" was the best thing for my higher education.

LOL

The University of Hard Knocks taught you far more than you would have learned elsewhere. Fifty or sixty years ago there might have been a place for going to college just for the sake of learning. These days, with college costing as much as a mortgage on a decent house in most of the country, not so much. The ROI for most majors is somewhere in the toilet.

246 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:50:49am

re: #233 BabbaZee
Thank you Babba!

247 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:51:17am

'ello there folks.

damn early callouts, ugh

been up since 4 in the morning and its 2:50 PM now

248 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:51:23am

re: #235 Irish Rose

Good morning to you, storage.


Good morning Rose.

249 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:52:21am

re: #247 Hengineer

I badly wanted to sleep a bit more but, my body said otherwise.

250 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:52:52am

re: #245 galloping granny

The University of Hard Knocks taught you far more than you would have learned elsewhere. Fifty or sixty years ago there might have been a place for going to college just for the sake of learning. These days, with college costing as much as a mortgage on a decent house in most of the country, not so much. The ROI for most majors is somewhere in the toilet.

Depends. Technical degrees and those going just for a bachelor's education get a pretty decent ROI, I know I am.

I paid off my student loans within 6 months on my first ship.

251 littleoldlady  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:52:54am

re: #231 MandyManners

OY! :-(

re: #232 galloping granny

She is an only child. She inherits everything. If I have to pay off her loans there will be nothing to inherit.

/it all comes out in the wash. ;-)

Truthfully, of all her many faults, default is not likely to be one of them.

252 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:53:17am

re: #249 MandyManners

I badly wanted to sleep a bit more but, my body said otherwise.

just 5 more minutes mom!

253 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:53:27am

The death tolls are always high in places like that from weather disasters

like when a tornado hits a trailer park, the death count is always worse because the structures can not withstand the torment at all, nowhere to hide

most of the shacks they live in in Burma make a trailer look like a well built mansion

so that kind of stuff is easily destroyed by weather

three little pigs,
house of straw vs house of bricks
and all that

254 littleoldlady  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:54:17am

Oh yikes. I have to go...

Good day, ALL!™

255 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:54:22am

re: #244 MandyManners
Yep. I also found out why so many are killed in train wrecks over there. We were in Sri Lanka, and this train was going by the hotel. I thought it was piled willy nilly with bales of cotton. Nope, people. People in between the cars, on top of the cars, hanging on the sides. Damndest display of mass transit I have ever seen.

256 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:54:35am

re: #254 littleoldlady

Oh yikes. I have to go...

Good day, ALL!™


cya later lol!

257 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:55:25am

re: #245 galloping granny

I had the same books they had.
All the info, no agenda

lol

258 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:55:49am

re: #255 pingjockey

Yep. I also found out why so many are killed in train wrecks over there. We were in Sri Lanka, and this train was going by the hotel. I thought it was piled willy nilly with bales of cotton. Nope, people. People in between the cars, on top of the cars, hanging on the sides. Damndest display of mass transit I have ever seen.

Have you ever seen the way they pack ferries in third world countries too?

No wonder so many of them capsize and lose a few hundred people. Overloaded with PEOPLE, cars, baggage, cargo that its top-heavy.

259 abolitionist  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:55:53am

re: #224 BabbaZee

When I was a kid it seriously chapped my hide to watch absolute morons go off to college while I worked shit jobs and starved. I wanted to go badly.

Today I am certain that having been prevented by circumstance from "higher education" was the best thing for my higher education.

LOL

Suppose it's like the Plague being a life-changing event for Isaac Newton and his self-directed education.

Good morning, Babba.

260 vagabond trader  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:56:09am

So, Hil and the Obama are now panting after the Jewish vote. Sickening.

261 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:56:34am

re: #251 littleoldlady

OY! :-(

re: #232 galloping granny

She is an only child. She inherits everything. If I have to pay off her loans there will be nothing to inherit.

/it all comes out in the wash. ;-)

Truthfully, of all her many faults, default is not likely to be one of them.

My only regret about college is getting a degree in journalism. It was a hard course of study but, I had no idea how perverted the profession would become.

262 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:57:04am

re: #252 Hengineer

just 5 more minutes mom!

The Kid's become an expert in this.

263 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:57:25am

re: #259 abolitionist

Suppose it's like the Plague being a life-changing event for Isaac Newton and his self-directed education.

Good morning, Babba.

{abolitionist}

have you ever seen this movie?

The plague changes the protagonists life in this flick too

Excellent movie IMO

264 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:57:34am

re: #261 MandyManners

My only regret about college is getting a degree in journalism. It was a hard course of study but, I had no idea how perverted the profession would become.

I saw a story on (CNN? Fox News?) a bit ago, it was a story that was saying entry level jobs are paying a tad more than they used to for college grads.

I noticed computer science/engineering majors paid the most.

The least? Liberal Arts and Journalism

265 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:57:43am

re: #258 Hengineer
Always severely overloaded. They keep putting them on until it is stuffed full.

266 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:58:03am

re: #262 MandyManners

The Kid's become an expert in this.

KidManners?

or is that an oxymoron? ^_^

267 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:58:26am

re: #255 pingjockey

Yep. I also found out why so many are killed in train wrecks over there. We were in Sri Lanka, and this train was going by the hotel. I thought it was piled willy nilly with bales of cotton. Nope, people. People in between the cars, on top of the cars, hanging on the sides. Damndest display of mass transit I have ever seen.

Gives one pause to complain about all the regulations laid down by our government.

268 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:58:51am

re: #267 MandyManners

Gives one pause to complain about all the regulations laid down by our government.

indeed

269 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:59:31am

I get the dog back today...dang I missed her.

270 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:59:50am

re: #269 storagemanager

I get the dog back today...dang I missed her.

woof!

271 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:59:50am

re: #264 Hengineer

I saw a story on (CNN? Fox News?) a bit ago, it was a story that was saying entry level jobs are paying a tad more than they used to for college grads.

I noticed computer science/engineering majors paid the most.

The least? Liberal Arts and Journalism

Why do you think there are so many Democrats on the job?

272 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:59:53am
273 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 4:59:55am

re: #250 Hengineer

Depends. Technical degrees and those going just for a bachelor's education get a pretty decent ROI, I know I am.

I paid off my student loans within 6 months on my first ship.

Technical degrees have a decent ROI at the Bachelor's level. A BS in Psychology, on the other hand, will buy you minimum wage at McDonald's. And of course one must consider whether one is attending a California community college at a couple of hundred bucks a semester, or an Ivy League, at close to $40K a year just for tuition.

You were very lucky - or had very low student loans.

274 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:00:35am

wtf callout is an hour early....

heh captain doesn't want to pay people overtime (despite the fact that its operations budget, and not maintenance and repair budget...operations budget is pretty much "free" money)

275 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:00:40am

re: #266 Hengineer

KidManners?

or is that an oxymoron? ^_^

What can I say? I'm the one who taught him how to do arm-pit farts.

276 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:00:43am

re: #267 MandyManners
It does may you think a little about over regulation. In other news the Nat'l Park Service says they will change the Flight 93 memorial design. Damn idiots had a "Crescent of Embrace". I swear 3/4s of govt. employees are idiots.

277 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:01:06am
“My immigrant vagina is angry” and other militant May Day moments

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

278 abolitionist  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:01:33am

re: #263 BabbaZee

No, I've not seen Restoration (1995). Sounds good. Thanks for the recommendation.

279 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:01:36am

re: #268 Hengineer

While I don't like the Nanny State, sometimes rules are for a good reason.

280 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:03:02am

re: #276 pingjockey

It does may you think a little about over regulation. In other news the Nat'l Park Service says they will change the Flight 93 memorial design. Damn idiots had a "Crescent of Embrace". I swear 3/4s of govt. employees are idiots.

I read something about that here yesterday. Is the change for the good?

281 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:03:03am

Listening to a tape on Marx & Hegel, it struck me how their entire philosophy wraps around the concept of a "World Spirit" rushing through the stream of history, ever evolving, and how we must participate with THAT SPIRIT.

STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!

Check this out:

[Link: www.froyd.net...]

Hegel thought Spirit had a purpose, or goal, and that development occurred dialectically. His system explained all of human history as the actualization of Spirit. Spirit, in its actualization was, and is, dependent on particular individuals. Spirit needs to see itself in its creations to come to know itself. Reciprocally, particular individuals are dependent on Spirit because it is the driving force for freedom. All of history is necessary, so all change that occurs to individuals is also necessary. All history and progress of Spirit is progress toward the freedom of all humans.

THE FUCKING SERPENT! Promising freedom while enslaving through evil and totalitarianism.

282 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:03:09am

re: #273 galloping granny

Technical degrees have a decent ROI at the Bachelor's level. A BS in Psychology, on the other hand, will buy you minimum wage at McDonald's. And of course one must consider whether one is attending a California community college at a couple of hundred bucks a semester, or an Ivy League, at close to $40K a year just for tuition.

You were very lucky - or had very low student loans.

-chuckle-

Well sort of. My parents set up a trust fund for me (around $40k by the time I started college), and I ended up getting a student loan anyway, owed around $26k? As I said I paid it off in 6 months on my first ship.

I graduated with a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering from The California Maritime Academy. I also obtained a US Coast Guard 3rd Assistant Engineer's License to sail on Steam, Motor, or Gas Turbine vessels of any horsepower (kind of like a driver's license, but for ships @ sea).

Merchant Mariners make a damn good living.

283 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:03:29am
And his analysis ignores the Shi`a movement in several other Arab countries, most notably Yemen, whose popluation is not much smaller than Saudi Arabia's (23 million to about 27 million), of which a large minority--perhaps as high as 40%--is Shi`ite, of the Zaydi persuasion. Yes, few people even know about the Zaydi, or Fiver, branch of Shi`ism but it was the official religion of Yemen for a millennium or so, until 1962's republican take-over. The disenfranchised Zaydi Shi`a took up arms some years ago, under the leadership of one Abd al-Malik (or Husayn) al-Houthi, and over this past weekend 19 Yemenis were reported killed in clashes between "rebel" Shi`i forces and government troops ([Link: www.africasia.com...]
Yemen is strategically located on the Arabian peninsula and is right across from the Horn of Africa. Before we consign the "Shi`a Crescent" to chimerical status, Yemen needs to be factored into the equation.

[Link: www.mahdiwatch.org...]

284 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:03:40am

re: #275 MandyManners

What can I say? I'm the one who taught him how to do arm-pit farts.

/high five.

You are one cool mom.

285 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:03:41am

re: #277 storagemanager

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

Ah, yes. The angry vagina. Does it have a monologue or a diatribe?

286 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:04:11am

re: #280 MandyManners
It is going to be a circle, I don't know if it is better, but at least it isn't a crescent!

287 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:04:22am

re: #285 MandyManners

Ah, yes. The angry vagina. Does it have a monologue or a diatribe?

An argument with itself.

That it loses.

288 abolitionist  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:04:46am

re: #276 pingjockey

I assume this means they'll be adding footbaths.

289 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:04:47am

re: #287 Hengineer

An argument with itself.

That it loses.

LOL!

290 Ojoe  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:04:57am
291 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:05:48am

re: #284 Hengineer

/high five.

You are one cool mom.

I had to either embrace the little boy within me or go bat-shit crazy trying to figure it all out.

292 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:05:48am

re: #278 abolitionist

No, I've not seen Restoration (1995). Sounds good. Thanks for the recommendation.

It is a visually beautiful movie as well.
The costumes and art direction are really superior.

There is nothing I don't like about that movie, MOF.

293 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:05:55am

Morning again, at work and youtube-less now.

294 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:06:10am

re: #286 pingjockey

It is going to be a circle, I don't know if it is better, but at least it isn't a crescent!

The mind boggles.

295 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:06:41am

re: #291 MandyManners

I had to either embrace the little boy within me or go bat-shit crazy trying to figure it all out.

Isn't it more fun this way?

296 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:06:43am

re: #287 Hengineer

An argument with itself.

That it loses.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm...don't quite know what to say.

297 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:06:58am

re: #288 abolitionist
That would cuase more of an uproar than they have now! Some of the victims families have sued the NPS to stop the design that used the crescent. The folks in Burma are hosed, the Useless Nitwits of Turtle Bay are on the way!

298 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:07:29am

re: #296 MandyManners

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm...don't quite know what to say.

My mom would always talk to herself and she always claimed that she was losing an argument with herself.

/shrug

the phrase stuck

299 Ojoe  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:07:40am

re: #291 MandyManners

I taught my kids to say "Please wonderful daddy" and they did for quite a while, but no longer. (They're teenagers now).

300 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:07:41am

re: #295 Hengineer

Isn't it more fun this way?

Well, there is the issue of his burping out the alphabet.

301 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:08:11am

re: #300 MandyManners

Well, there is the issue of his burping out the alphabet.

Heh, wait till he can burp on command

/scares people with his own belching skills to this day.

302 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:08:21am

re: #299 Ojoe

I taught my kids to say "Please wonderful daddy" and they did for quite a while, but no longer. (They're teenagers now).

LOL

303 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:08:39am

re: #298 Hengineer

My mom would always talk to herself and she always claimed that she was losing an argument with herself.

/shrug

the phrase stuck

I try to win arguments with myself.

304 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:09:09am

re: #303 MandyManners

I try to win arguments with myself.


How successful are you?

305 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:09:10am

re: #299 Ojoe

I taught my kids to say "Please wonderful daddy" and they did for quite a while, but no longer. (They're teenagers now).

Wish I'd thought of that one.

306 Ojoe  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:09:11am

re: #294 MandyManners

Circles are fine. Rose windows in cathedrals are circular, for instance.

307 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:09:12am

re: #300 MandyManners
That is impressive. The better half claims she had wonderfully mannered boys until we got together and I taught them all that guy stuff! Mwahaha!

308 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:09:36am

re: #282 Hengineer

-chuckle-

Well sort of. My parents set up a trust fund for me (around $40k by the time I started college), and I ended up getting a student loan anyway, owed around $26k? As I said I paid it off in 6 months on my first ship.

I graduated with a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering from The California Maritime Academy. I also obtained a US Coast Guard 3rd Assistant Engineer's License to sail on Steam, Motor, or Gas Turbine vessels of any horsepower (kind of like a driver's license, but for ships @ sea).

Merchant Mariners make a damn good living.

Yes they sure do. But you are the exception rather than the rule. And I would venture a guess that 97% or more of everybody attending college would flunk out of Mechanical Engineering in a heartbeat.

309 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:09:38am

Hegel speaks of this "World Spirit" as a god:


Pantheism is the motivating force and the core of Hegel's system. It is a grandiose idealistic pantheism, in which all existence and all history are part of God's cosmic self-development.

God is absolute spirit. But he also desires to manifest himself and to know himself. So it is part of his essence to become real, in particular material things, in individual persons and in the process of change and history. God is present and active in the real world. He acts through humans, and is conscious of himself through humans.

God embodies and develops himself first in nature, then in the rising stages of human consciousness and civilization. Human history and culture are God's working out of his self-realization in the world. Individual humans - especially the great heroes of world history - are the principal means of change, while peoples and states are the embodiment of each phase.

Hegel seems to have had an ethnocentric and egocentric view of the culmination of this great process. The German nation were the highest carriers of the wave of God's development. The bureaucratic monarchy of the Prussian type was the highest form of state. The pinnacle of philosophy - through which God at last becomes fully conscious of himself - was, implicitly, Hegel's own system.

310 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:09:41am

re: #301 Hengineer

Heh, wait till he can burp on command

/scares people with his own belching skills to this day.

Oh, he can. He's now trying to master farting on command.

311 Ojoe  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:09:53am

re: #305 MandyManners

It worked for them, I'd do more things for them when I heard that.

312 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:10:02am

re: #307 pingjockey

That is impressive. The better half claims she had wonderfully mannered boys until we got together and I taught them all that guy stuff! Mwahaha!

Just remind the better half that she DID get together with you, its a full package!

313 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:10:05am

re: #304 Hengineer

How successful are you?

Either way I get to celebrate.

314 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:10:41am

re: #306 Ojoe

Circles are fine. Rose windows in cathedrals are circular, for instance.

What go through to them? Raising hell?

315 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:10:57am

re: #310 MandyManners
That will be more difficult. You have to be at least an E-6 in the navy to pull that one off!

316 Ojoe  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:11:27am

re: #314 MandyManners

They were egotists and easily compromised

317 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:11:38am

re: #307 pingjockey

That is impressive. The better half claims she had wonderfully mannered boys until we got together and I taught them all that guy stuff! Mwahaha!

Didja' teach them how to pee off the deck? I didn't mine. It just came naturally. (Thank goodness we live in the boonies.)

318 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:12:09am

re: #310 MandyManners

Oh, he can. He's now trying to master farting on command.

Tell him its all in the relaxation of the sphincter.

I could never do it but I had a few buds @ Cal Maritime who could.

'twas disturbing.

re: #308 galloping granny

Yes they sure do. But you are the exception rather than the rule. And I would venture a guess that 97% or more of everybody attending college would flunk out of Mechanical Engineering in a heartbeat.

Well most don't try, but for those that do, the attrition rate is atrocious. My school impacted because of our ME curriculum as WELL as our USCG STCW "shipboard" classes too.
We averaged around 21 units a semester, labs only counting as 1 unit for a 3 hour lab.

319 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:12:45am

re: #306 Ojoe

Circles are fine. Rose windows in cathedrals are circular, for instance.

That depends on whether they remove the OTHER elements that make that memorial a mosque - quite literally. It has been well outlined/documented/illustrated online for a year or more.

320 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:12:48am

re: #312 Hengineer
Oh yeah! First time we went camping, her youngest, now our middle child was 4 and I did the pull my finger trick. Of course that was a huge hit!

321 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:12:50am

re: #316 Ojoe

They were egotists and easily compromised

I am a bigotist and I don't have to compromise with not one of you nappy headed people!

;~}

322 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:13:16am

Gotta' scoot! Later, Lizards.

323 Hengineer  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:13:46am

re: #322 MandyManners

Gotta' scoot! Later, Lizards.

Same here, had callout for UNREP an hour early.

Later lizardoids and lizardettes!

324 Ojoe  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:13:50am

re: #320 pingjockey

Camping + finger trick go well together!

325 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:14:46am

re: #317 MandyManners
We are in town, so they can't do that. The youngest used to go pee in one corner of the backyard that was screened by trees! Now he's 8 and to big to do that. He says. Wink!

327 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:15:19am

re: #323 Hengineer
Be safe!

328 Ojoe  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:15:41am
329 Irish Rose  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:15:48am

I'm off to work and errands, have a good morning folks.

330 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:15:48am

re: #326 BabbaZee
Whom is this Hegel you speak of?

331 abolitionist  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:16:11am

re: #297 pingjockey

That would cuase more of an uproar than they have now! Some of the victims families have sued the NPS to stop the design that used the crescent. The folks in Burma are hosed, the Useless Nitwits of Turtle Bay are on the way!

I just checked [Link: www.errortheory.blogspot.com...] Seems there's been some recent renewed attention in the media about the Flight93 Memorial.

Sunday, May 04, 2008
Crescent controversy on Fox News television and Fox News front page!

332 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:16:31am

Islamic Fashion Show [Link: politicalmavens.com...]

333 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:16:42am

It looks like I have had a small miracle overnight. Somehow an entire tray of tomato plants plus a few got forgotten last night. The poor things spent the night outdoors in Vermont in early May and are still alive this morning to tell the tale. Pretty amazing, since it was down to 33 when the dog woke me up around 5.

334 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:16:53am

re: #330 pingjockey

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

and the next few posts

335 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:17:22am

re: #331 abolitionist
That is how I heard about it. Yesterday morning.

336 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:19:03am

re: #334 BabbaZee
Danke shoen Babba! I have learned something today so I think I'll skip work.....Not! :(

337 The Albatross  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:19:40am

Good morning lizards! The FIL did his treatment Friday and amazingly went to the granddaughter's soccer game Saturday.

338 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:20:35am

re: #336 pingjockey

Danke shoen Babba! I have learned something today so I think I'll skip work.....Not! :(

Nihl, you Kant.

/Enlightenment, my ass.

339 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:20:36am

re: #337 The Albatross

Good morning lizards! The FIL did his treatment Friday and amazingly went to the granddaughter's soccer game Saturday.

Treatment for. . . .?

340 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:22:10am
MOGADISHU, Somalia (AP) - Tens of thousands of people rioted over high food prices in Somalia's capital Monday, hurling stones and prompting hundreds of shops to close.
An Associated Press reporter saw several people injured in the protest in Mogadishu in this Horn of Africa nation.

The protesters include women and children, who marched to protest the refusal of traders to accept old 1,000-shilling notes.

Soon after, tens of thousands of people took to the streets, hurling stones that smashed the windshields of several cars and buses. Rocks also were thrown at shops and chaos erupted at the capital's main Bakara market.

Hundreds of shops and restaurants in southern Mogadishu closed their doors for fear of looting.

Prices of rice and other food staples have been rising rapidly around the world, boosted by poor weather in some nations and rising demand. The increases have led to violent protests in Haiti and Egypt and concerns of unrest elsewhere amid profiteering and hoarding

I thought Bill fixed it. [Link: www.breitbart.com...]

341 pingjockey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:22:17am

re: #338 BabbaZee
Ahhhh! Info overload! Y'all have a good day, or try to. Gotta go wake the minions up for school!

342 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:24:09am

re: #341 pingjockey

Ahhhh! Info overload! Y'all have a good day, or try to. Gotta go wake the minions up for school!

OK
I'll slow down.
LOL
No more destroying the Stannified hooplebabble of the so called great philosophers for the rest of the morning

343 mrsoc  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:24:31am

You know, this conversation doesn't help my kids.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!

344 doriangrey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:25:09am

Good morning lizards........

345 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:25:15am

Kick it...is it dead?

346 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:25:23am

re: #343 mrsoc

You know, this conversation doesn't help my kids.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!

{mrsoc!}

347 CIA Reject  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:27:35am

re: #317 MandyManners

Didja' teach them how to pee off the deck? I didn't mine. It just came naturally. (Thank goodness we live in the boonies.)

As the sole male who for years shared a house with A SINGLE BATHROOM with two females, one of them a teenager, I can attest to the fact that that skill is not a joke, but rather is vital for SURVIVAL! :-)

/Good morning everybody!

348 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:28:11am

HERE IT COMES!

I never thought that I would truly see the day in the United States of America where some government panel outlined exactly who is to live and who is to die in an emergency, but here it is -

[Link: www.foxnews.com...] prepare, hospitals should designate a triage team with the Godlike task of deciding who will and who won't get lifesaving care, the task force wrote. Those out of luck are the people at high risk of death and a slim chance of long-term survival. But the recommendations get much more specific, and include:

_People older than 85.

_Those with severe trauma, which could include critical injuries from car crashes and shootings.

_Severely burned patients older than 60.

_Those with severe mental impairment, which could include advanced Alzheimer's disease.

_Those with a severe chronic disease, such as advanced heart failure, lung disease or poorly controlled diabetes.

349 chief long name  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:29:11am

re: #272 BabbaZee

Oy! Much better.
Good Morning {HottenTot}

350 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:29:51am

Morning dorian, how are you?

351 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:30:03am

re: #349 chief long name

Oy! Much better.
Good Morning {HottenTot}

{Rooten Tooten!}

352 doriangrey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:30:08am
353 Ojoe  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:30:24am

re: #348 galloping granny

That's just triage, basic stuff, you can learn about it in boy scouts even, not a scandal in my view

354 BulgarWheat  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:30:28am

re: #326 BabbaZee

Not me, Babba! Gimme more, gimme more!

I, ME, MINE!

355 doriangrey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:31:07am

re: #350 rightside

Morning dorian, how are you?

Doing great this morning rightside, and yourself?

356 abolitionist  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:31:14am

re: #348 galloping granny

Linky no worky. Fixed: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

357 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:31:45am

re: #353 Ojoe

That's just triage, basic stuff, you can learn about it in boy scouts even, not a scandal in my view

I am well aware what triage is. This is not "basic" triage, left to the hospital and individuals coping with the particular emergency. This is govenment mandated guidelines on who will or who will not receive treatment. An entirely different thing.

358 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:31:53am
The enemy is anybody who’s going to get you killed, no matter which side he’s on. – Joseph Heller

I hope nobody tells that to the Enterprise's security officers...

359 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:33:20am
360 doriangrey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:33:21am

re: #358 JamesTKirk

I hope nobody tells that to the Enterprise's security officers...


What afraid you might end up with a bunch of red shirts nobody will wear?

361 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:33:26am

re: #352 doriangrey

{Dorian}

362 Ojoe  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:33:40am

re: #357 galloping granny

Yes but it says "in an emergency"

363 JammieWearingFool  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:33:48am

Morning Lizards. Sadly, it's only Monday, but a lovely morning nonetheless.

364 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:33:53am

re: #32 Lucius Septimius

More stupidity from my profession: Dartmouth's 'Hostile' Environment

Want some cheese to go with that whine?

365 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:34:10am
366 The Albatross  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:34:57am

re: #339 galloping granny

Treatment for. . . .?

Brain tumor on his brain stem (2)... metastasized lung cancer.

367 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:35:26am

re: #353 Ojoe
My sister had insurance when her cancer was first detected...it ran out half way thru...she got California medi-cal...who gave her hospice..nothing more was done...she died at 42...state insurance will kill you..trust me.

368 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:35:48am

re: #354 BulgarWheat

Not me, Babba! Gimme more, gimme more!

369 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:36:34am

re: #362 Ojoe

Yes but it says "in an emergency"

I repeat - it sets a precedent for the government to specify who will and who will not receive treatment. Like the camel's nose under the tent, the very second you take this out of the hands of the locals and the ethics of those on the spot into some government mandate, there is but one very small step between "an emergency" and all the time to allocate the scarce medical resources of socialized medicine - for the good of the whole.

370 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:36:36am
371 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:37:39am

re: #363 JammieWearingFool

Morning Jammie

372 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:38:03am

re: #366 The Albatross

Brain tumor on his brain stem (2)... metastasized lung cancer.

I am so sorry for your FIL - and glad that he seems to be bearing up with the treatment so far. That makes it much easier.

373 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:38:52am
374 The Albatross  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:39:22am

re: #367 storagemanager

You ain't kidding, my dad was in Cali, diagnosed with kidney cancer. His wife with breast cancer out of remission twice struggled to stay on her feet to keep insurance on them both. After checking into it, they had to make tough decisions because there was no way my dad would have survived the wait for medi-cal. She was a hell of a woman, amazing. She lost her battle two years after he lost his... and also didn't survive the wait for medi-cal.

375 JammieWearingFool  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:39:36am

re: #371 BabbaZee

Morning Jammie

Thanks, Babba. A little something to get me rolling.

376 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:40:23am

re: #367 storagemanager

My sister had insurance when her cancer was first detected...it ran out half way thru...she got California medi-cal...who gave her hospice..nothing more was done...she died at 42...state insurance will kill you..trust me.

Yup. There is a huge difference between the quality of care you receive if somebody is footing the bill in a big way and the quality of care you receive on medicaid. Sometimes even patients with no insurance get better care, either because they have the $ to pay for their own or they fall into a mandated care category.

377 The Albatross  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:40:41am

re: #372 galloping granny

The man is amazing, he is still working full time, and has astounded his doctors... we are cautiously hopeful.

378 BulgarWheat  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:40:43am

re: #373 BabbaZee

hmm? Got your red stingy thingy on your wrist?

Naw, I didn't think so.

red stringy thingy to salvation!

379 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:41:56am

re: #377 The Albatross

The man is amazing, he is still working full time, and has astounded his doctors... we are cautiously hopeful.

The patients that keep going anyway are usually the ones who do the best. Most of recovery is in your head, not in the treatment.

380 Karridine  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:42:14am

re: #348 galloping granny

But honestly, Granny, something like that MUST be done in any kind of large-scale emergency. Watch "Pearl Harbor" for a scaled-down version of what happens when systems set up for 100 people a day are hit with 3,000 people in less than an hour...

Somebody(s) stand outside and move those with a LOW SURVIVAL chance off to the side, and strive to get mildly wounded, HIGH SURVIVAL quotient people inside to get what limited help there is...

Sounds cruel, but it MUST BE DONE under those circumstances.

/and in Thai news, now on TV, Burma is reeling from a typhoon, thousands dead, many thousands more homeless...

381 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:43:06am

re: #378 BulgarWheat

hmm? Got your red stingy thingy on your wrist?

Naw, I didn't think so.

red stringy thingy to salvation!

All the so called "kabbalah" crap that people are so enamored of is all perversions of authentic Jewish mysticism. Once you separate that stuff from GOD and from the Word it becomes incredibly perverse.

I have been following it's meanderings through the ~isms closely.

382 doriangrey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:44:41am

Well this lizard is off to put gas in the old red corvette and find some cigars and slither off to work yet again...

383 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:44:50am

re: #380 Karridine

But honestly, Granny, something like that MUST be done in any kind of large-scale emergency. Watch "Pearl Harbor" for a scaled-down version of what happens when systems set up for 100 people a day are hit with 3,000 people in less than an hour...

Somebody(s) stand outside and move those with a LOW SURVIVAL chance off to the side, and strive to get mildly wounded, HIGH SURVIVAL quotient people inside to get what limited help there is...

Sounds cruel, but it MUST BE DONE under those circumstances.

/and in Thai news, now on TV, Burma is reeling from a typhoon, thousands dead, many thousands more homeless...

Yes Karridine. Triage is standard at every hospital in the world in the case of emergency. Everyone who has ever worked an ER is more than familiar with it. For that matter, so are those who have sat and waited.

The difference is that until now the "guidelines" have been standard medical ethics, the resources of the particular facility involved and the particular ethics/moral code of the medical personnel involved. That is an entirely different ballgame than the GOVERNMENT specifying who shall and who shall not receive treatment.

384 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:45:20am

re: #355 doriangrey


Doing pretty good thanks.

385 Ojoe  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:45:31am

re: #380 Karridine

It is actually not cruel, it is practical compassion

386 Karridine  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:45:52am

re: #383 galloping granny

Ah! I see your point.

Yes Ma'am... creepy...

388 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:47:32am

James T Kirk, you should write a play called the penis monologues.

389 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:48:04am
390 The Albatross  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:49:06am

We're getting hit hard this year, medical insurance went up by almost half and so did home owners insurance. Across the main drag, someone from our church got dropped because he's at 12 feet above sea level near the bay.... I'm a block away from the bayou and at 15 feet. I'm holding my breath to find out what kind of hit I'm gonna have to take.

391 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:49:20am

re: #385 Ojoe

It is actually not cruel, it is practical compassion

That probably depends upon which group they sort you into.

392 Karridine  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:49:27am

re: #385 Ojoe

Absolutely.

My father served on a California earthquake commission in the early 70's and after a year of listening to invited technical people (emergency services, police, water, fire, hospitals) the came to the considered decision that if they were given a 99.9% probability of a 9.0 Richter hitting in the next 48 hours, they would REMAIN SILENT, deeming it better to recover from whatever did hit, than to spark panic, riots and refusal to evacuate...

I'm a doctor, I have gone through the ethics and the reasoning and the practicals, Ojoe...

393 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:49:36am

re: #391 JamesTKirk

That probably depends upon which group they sort you into.

I'd be toast.

lol

394 BulgarWheat  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:49:38am

The dingos took my dingus!

395 Karridine  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:50:58am

re: #391 JamesTKirk

We're all going to die, and if I'm sorted into the No Help Now group, even if in pain, I will understand and cooperate.

Tough one, James T... not being unserious here...

396 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:51:49am

re: #388 rightside

James T Kirk, you should write a play called the penis monologues.

"Misty Beethoven: The Musical" - a pornographic musical which actually has one of the songs sung by the lead male's penis. You'll forgive me if I don't search for the trailer right now (since I'm at work) -- of course, it's probably not the sort of link that's encouraged here in any case.

397 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:52:14am

re: #390 The Albatross
I hear you..because I have COPD..insurance cost are thru the roof...just glad I have it thou.

398 madisonsfriend  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:52:45am

A while back we talked about food stamps(or the Independence card) here. I was at the market yesterday buying food for a food bank. In front of me, a woman had two large bottles of some sort of Hawaian punch(It said hawaian punch but wasn't red- we don't buy that so I don't know much about the product) and 3 24-oz containers of some fancy juice blend - among other things. She paid with her Independence card(food stamps). This is the sort of thing that bothers me and other people. I know not everyone does this but if you really need food assistance- you don't need to be buying Hawaian punch in bottles and fancy juice. What is wrong with the store brand apple or frozen apple or orange juice? What is wrong with making koolaid(which I guess is still cheap) if you want some crappy sugar drink like Hawaian punch?

399 godfrey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:53:04am

Good morning all you fresh-faced Western rotters, you halal swine, you mammalian lizards, you earthy, mystical, red-blooded metaphysicians.

400 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:53:31am
Iran offers to share nuclear technology with Indian Ocean states
TEHRAN, May 4 (MNA) – Iran has offered to share its knowledge of nuclear technology, industry, and agriculture with the Indian Ocean countries in a bid to help provide social welfare for the region.

[Link: www.mehrnews.com...]

401 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:54:19am

re: #400 storagemanager

[Link: www.mehrnews.com...]

Israel responded by offering to share her nuclear technology with Iran, one missile at a time.

402 godfrey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:54:35am

re: #398 madisonsfriend

Tell me it's not called an "Independence Card." That is too Orwellian for a day like today.

403 sparrowlake  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:55:11am

re: #367 storagemanager

My sister had insurance when her cancer was first detected...it ran out half way thru...she got California medi-cal...who gave her hospice..nothing more was done...she died at 42...state insurance will kill you..trust me.

Dehumanizing bastards.
What kind of idiotic insurance runs out just when you need it most?
Health care should be a basic right, and the cost should be spread across the entire society for those who truly cannot afford to pay.

404 madisonsfriend  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:55:33am

re: #402 godfrey

Tell me it's not called an "Independence Card." That is too Orwellian for a day like today.

[Link: www.dhr.state.md.us...]
Sorry but so it is!

405 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:55:42am

re: #399 godfrey

Good morning all you fresh-faced Western rotters, you halal swine, you mammalian lizards, you earthy, mystical, red-blooded metaphysicians.

Feral Greetings and much Heil upon you, oh Ot of the Most Big!

406 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:57:14am

re: #402 godfrey

Tell me it's not called an "Independence Card." That is too Orwellian for a day like today.

Handle it.

Behold!

THE ISG INSTITUTE FOR PEACE

407 Karridine  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:57:28am

Time.

That's it for MY particular drive-by this evening... Today was Monday May 5, a holiday in Thailand, and by working all day I was able to go from 0700 with nothing and 1850 uploaded a 68-page, illustrated book to LuLu-dot-com

Have a GREAT Monday, Leezards, this American expat pioneer is with you in spirit!

/updinged Godfrey, :D

408 BulgarWheat  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:58:41am

Feral Lizards of the world, UNTIE!

409 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:58:54am
410 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:58:59am

re: #398 madisonsfriend

A while back we talked about food stamps(or the Independence card) here. I was at the market yesterday buying food for a food bank. In front of me, a woman had two large bottles of some sort of Hawaian punch(It said hawaian punch but wasn't red- we don't buy that so I don't know much about the product) and 3 24-oz containers of some fancy juice blend - among other things. She paid with her Independence card(food stamps). This is the sort of thing that bothers me and other people. I know not everyone does this but if you really need food assistance- you don't need to be buying Hawaian punch in bottles and fancy juice. What is wrong with the store brand apple or frozen apple or orange juice? What is wrong with making koolaid(which I guess is still cheap) if you want some crappy sugar drink like Hawaian punch?

The general idea is to render assistance with the grocery bill while still allowing the individual family to exercise some degree of independence and personal choice. Nobody tells you what to eat or buy or where to shop. Poor people that require foodstamp assistance are no different than you are. They just are not quite so lucky. They are not in jail, they haven't been declared wards of the state.

You have no idea why she was buying that juice. It might very well be that she was buying it for some kind of party or snack at her children's school. These days many schools are rather prone to specify exact items the parents are to provide. The Hawai'ian punch might have been on sale. It might be cheaper than frozen. It is definitely cheaper than milk.

411 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:59:24am

re: #402 godfrey

Tell me it's not called an "Independence Card." That is too Orwellian for a day like today.

Might be in some states. Each has their own name.

412 godfrey  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:59:25am

re: #406 BabbaZee

Those ISG people are really itching for a fight, aren't they?

413 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:59:39am

re: #348 galloping granny

HERE IT COMES!

I never thought that I would truly see the day in the United States of America where some government panel outlined exactly who is to live and who is to die in an emergency, but here it is -

[Link: www.foxnews.com...] prepare, hospitals should designate a triage team with the Godlike task of deciding who will and who won't get lifesaving care, the task force wrote. Those out of luck are the people at high risk of death and a slim chance of long-term survival. But the recommendations get much more specific, and include:

_People older than 85.

_Those with severe trauma, which could include critical injuries from car crashes and shootings.

_Severely burned patients older than 60.

_Those with severe mental impairment, which could include advanced Alzheimer's disease.

_Those with a severe chronic disease, such as advanced heart failure, lung disease or poorly controlled diabetes.

I thought that you were a field-trained scientist. This is triage.

414 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 5:59:53am

re: #403 sparrowlake

Dehumanizing bastards.
What kind of idiotic insurance runs out just when you need it most?
Health care should be a basic right, and the cost should be spread across the entire society for those who truly cannot afford to pay.

It was insurance paid for by her job...she could no longer work..so..no more insurance...and no more medical care..just drugs and wait to die..what Hilly and Obama want for us all...state paid suicide..when one can no longer work.

415 The Albatross  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:01:08am

Speaking of insurance.... I got a call from the head office and a meeting at 10 am. I may be retained through the summer... but will have to travel.

My doctor scoped me and has recommended me for a rather risky procedure... he's going to a conference about it the beginning of June. I would have to allow them to do a tracheotomy.... but he thinks I'm a good candidate because of my age and general health. Might help me. If I took the job, I could have the procedure done. The rather unpleasant risk is blood loss into my lungs. It made sense, and I saw the axillary tonsil tissue - but I am a bit freaked. I told him to talk to me after his conference.

416 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:01:16am

re: #403 sparrowlake

Dehumanizing bastards.
What kind of idiotic insurance runs out just when you need it most?
Health care should be a basic right, and the cost should be spread across the entire society for those who truly cannot afford to pay.

Take a look at medical care in the UK and Canada before you wish this on us - where everyone who cannot afford to come to the US to buy care gets universally BAD care. Take to Pro-Bush Canuck (if you can find him) about care for cancer patients in Canada.

417 yochanan  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:01:23am

re: #24 rightside

I was a fire control technician, or later, just fire controlman. We operate and maintain the ships' guided missile fire control systems. Used in conjunction with the ships' primary 3D air search radar, the fire control directors ensured maximum accuracy, and allowed us to put "ordnance on target"

YOU BLOW UP THINGS AND MAKE THEM HIT THE DRINK

418 godfrey  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:01:38am

re: #410 galloping granny

Or, it may be that she really doesn't know its relative worth, doesn't care, considers it a perk due, or just plain likes it.

419 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:02:10am

re: #413 haakondahl

I thought that you were a field-trained scientist. This is triage.

Keep reading and you will come across my specific objections to GOVERNMENT MANDATED triage rather than triage under local control and individual ethics.

420 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:03:05am

re: #418 godfrey

Or, it may be that she really doesn't know its relative worth, doesn't care, considers it a perk due, or just plain likes it.

Godfrey, go look up the food stamp allotment for a family your size in your state and then try to live on the damned thing for a month before you utter such ridiculous nonsense.

421 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:03:31am

Good Morning Y'all - from a coolish (52 degrees, only going up to 72 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!

How is everyone this morning?

422 madisonsfriend  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:03:59am

re: #410 galloping granny

You could be right but I would have felt better about it if she didn't have fancy nails, hair and clothing- a lot fancier than mine -as did her bored looking teenager. I don't judge everyone negatively who uses the food stamp program- I see it a lot in the store I was shopping at.

423 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:03:59am

re: #367 storagemanager

My sister had insurance when her cancer was first detected...it ran out half way thru...she got California medi-cal...who gave her hospice..nothing more was done...she died at 42...state insurance will kill you..trust me.

That's awful. I'm sorry to hear it.

425 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:04:20am

YO BABBA!

uh, y'all got mail!

426 BulgarWheat  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:04:31am

re: #421 realwest

howdy, Real! Good morning to you from the BulgarWheat Feral Compound located somewhere outside of Raleigh!

427 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:05:08am

re: #369 galloping granny

I repeat - it sets a precedent for the government to specify who will and who will not receive treatment. Like the camel's nose under the tent, the very second you take this out of the hands of the locals and the ethics of those on the spot into some government mandate, there is but one very small step between "an emergency" and all the time to allocate the scarce medical resources of socialized medicine - for the good of the whole.

Now that right there is a very good point.

428 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:05:21am

re: #422 madisonsfriend

You could be right but I would have felt better about it if she didn't have fancy nails, hair and clothing- a lot fancier than mine -as did her bored looking teenager. I don't judge everyone negatively who uses the food stamp program- I see it a lot in the store I was shopping at.

It might also be that she was actually shopping for someone else you know. People who for one reason or another cannot get out to shop are allowed to specify someone to do their shopping for them.

429 The Albatross  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:05:23am

What up Real? Sunny and 65 already here in NW Florida. I'm fixing to take a job or rather keep doing a job I don't really want to keep my medical insurance.

430 madisonsfriend  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:05:53am

re: #420 galloping granny

Godfrey, go look up the food stamp allotment for a family your size in your state and then try to live on the damned thing for a month before you utter such ridiculous nonsense.

The allotment is supposed to be in addition to other income and it is tough for honest people but I still see people who seem to have scammed the system.

431 godfrey  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:05:53am

gg

I'm really curious to hear why you think state-provided health care insurance is a universal right.

432 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:07:10am

re: #425 realwest

YO BABBA!

uh, y'all got mail!

Nice!

433 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:07:34am

re: #417 yochanan


You betcha! BIG BOOMS!

434 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:07:52am

re: #423 haakondahl

That's awful. I'm sorry to hear it.

Thank you..

435 Karridine  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:08:29am

Haakon, see Comment #383, above.

/I'm owdda yeer...

Running as hard as I can from Government Mandated Triage....

436 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:08:47am

re: #426 BulgarWheat
Hello my friend! How's everything with the Wheat family today?

437 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:08:55am

re: #421 realwest

Morning real! how are you? doing pretty good here!

438 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:08:59am

re: #430 madisonsfriend

The allotment is supposed to be in addition to other income and it is tough for honest people but I still see people who seem to have scammed the system.

You have to be of such low income in any state in this country to qualify for ANY food stamp assistance at all that you are being ridiculous. Very few people ever scammed the system. Today there are even less, since whether you need the help or no at the end of two years or five (depending on the state) you are done, fini, kaput - no excuse, no quarter.

439 godfrey  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:09:12am

re: #428 galloping granny

GG, of course it could be any of that. I'm not casting stones, and I'm not trying to make light. I also think that we all have an obligation to provide assistance to people who need it. What I'm curious about is the basis for this talk of a health care "right."

440 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:10:10am

Well for y'all who like a Capella music, give this a try: [Link: www.imeem.com...]

I've seen these guys in concert and they can smoke!

441 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:11:55am

re: #410 galloping granny

The general idea is to render assistance with the grocery bill while still allowing the individual family to exercise some degree of independence and personal choice. Nobody tells you what to eat or buy or where to shop. Poor people that require foodstamp assistance are no different than you are. They just are not quite so lucky. They are not in jail, they haven't been declared wards of the state.

You have no idea why she was buying that juice. It might very well be that she was buying it for some kind of party or snack at her children's school. These days many schools are rather prone to specify exact items the parents are to provide. The Hawai'ian punch might have been on sale. It might be cheaper than frozen. It is definitely cheaper than milk.

On the fence. I thought that food stamps and certainly WIC could only be used for certain things?

On a connected note, what do you think of using an electronic system (like I suppose this inappropriately-named "Independence" card) to provide data to nutritionist-type people who work the cases? I loathe nanny-statism, but if we must have these programs, and I do feel that some of them are musts, then it makes sense to do them right--including folks tohelp counsel and educate so that the recipient eventually does (must and can) get off the system.
The basically unmonitored and completely counter-productive welfare system of the pre-Newt decades was just a crime perpetrated against the recipients AND the taxpayers. The only winners were Democrat politicians and government employees.

442 BulgarWheat  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:12:28am

re: #436 realwest

not too bad. got a ton of yard work done this weekend, mulch put down, flowers planted, lots of tomato's in the ground too.

knees swollen and my hips are protesting, the wife is a driven tyrant.

as she told me all weekend long, "Suck it up, Nancy"

heh

443 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:13:25am

re: #442 BulgarWheat

"Suck it up, Nancy"


that's just how big ots like us'll do ya

444 sparrowlake  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:13:47am

re: #416 galloping granny

Take a look at medical care in the UK and Canada before you wish this on us - where everyone who cannot afford to come to the US to buy care gets universally BAD care. Take to Pro-Bush Canuck (if you can find him) about care for cancer patients in Canada.

I am Canadian and am familiar with the Canadian system. With all its serious faults and shortcomings it is IMO far superior to a system which completely denies a minimum decent level of care to the needy. IOW I'd rather be poor and seriously ill up here in Canada than in the States.
...but of course it's always better to be rich. LOL.

445 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:14:02am

And since we all haven't had enough of this, here's to all y'all: [Link: www.imeem.com...]

446 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:14:17am
Hanks Video: Vote Obama, He Has Integrity, He’s Like Reagan, And He’s Black

[Link: patdollard.com...]

447 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:14:26am

Granny ~

Did you write PBC? Did he respond?

448 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:14:47am

re: #422 madisonsfriend

You could be right but I would have felt better about it if she didn't have fancy nails, hair and clothing- a lot fancier than mine -as did her bored looking teenager. I don't judge everyone negatively who uses the food stamp program- I see it a lot in the store I was shopping at.

"Welfare Cadillacs." Another side-effect of the family-destroying counter-productive welfare state of the 70s and 80s.

449 Ojoe  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:14:51am

re: #392 Karridine

I'm a scouter and I have my red cross cards for first aid and first responder.

Funny thing I can handle small emergencies on others but I don't like to see my own cuts and butterfly bandages.

450 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:14:55am
451 yochanan  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:15:14am

re: #433 rightside

You betcha! BIG BOOMS!

My father left the navy as a chief ran the mess on the CV-6
after marry my mom he spent 20 years in loose green skin running a mess hall that did not move.

452 BulgarWheat  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:15:20am

re: #443 BabbaZee

that term shuts down every plea I've ever made to get outta work.

453 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:16:07am

re: #442 BulgarWheat
ROFL! Y'all got yourself a real slavedriver there my friend.
Now suck it up, Nancy and get some work done!LOL!

454 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:16:14am

re: #431 godfrey

gg

I'm really curious to hear why you think state-provided health care insurance is a universal right.

I don't think state-provided health care is a universal right in the least. I think "medical insurance" is the biggest problem with our medical system, followed closely by the lock the pharmaceutical industry has on things, resulting in the American public paying 10X or more as much for things as the same exact item off the same exact assembly line would cost elsewhere.

Overwhelmingly, your medical care is no longer in the hands of your doctor but is determined by what your insurance company will or will not pay for. Storagemanager's story is hardly unique. My own sister lost her first grandchild some years back to leukemia. Had the kid's pediatrician run a CBC, that leukemia would have been picked up over a year before she was finally diagnosed and she might very well be alive today. However, the insurance company allows CBCs only under specific conditions - physician's judgment be damned - and she did not fit the protocol.

455 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:16:21am
456 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:16:28am

re: #388 rightside

James T Kirk, you should write a play called the penis monologues.

And nobody should ever EVER write a play called the penis dialogues.

457 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:16:50am

re: #451 yochanan

My father left the navy as a chief ran the mess on the CV-6
after marry my mom he spent 20 years in loose green skin running a mess hall that did not move.

Enterprise!

458 BulgarWheat  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:17:06am

re: #453 realwest

toughest boss I ever had.

459 yochanan  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:17:35am

re: #444 sparrowlake

I am Canadian and am familiar with the Canadian system. With all its serious faults and shortcomings it is IMO far superior to a system which completely denies a minimum decent level of care to the needy. IOW I'd rather be poor and seriously ill up here in Canada than in the States.
...but of course it's always better to be rich. LOL.

THE CANADIAN SYSTEM WOULD BE BETTER FOR ME as I have pre existing conditions and the health ins. companies will not sell to me. Something should be done but how to do it with out making those who have good care worse.

460 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:18:22am

re: #437 rightside Good morning rightside! I'm doing ok this morning (better than usual, actually ever since I found Rockappella on Imeem!)! How are you doing?

461 Dolphin  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:18:23am

They walked in tandem, each of the ninety-two students filing into the already crowded auditorium. With their rich maroon gowns flowing, and the traditional caps, they looked almost .... as grown up as they felt. Dads swallowed hard behind broad smiles, and Moms freely brushed away tears.

This class would NOT pray during the commencements----not by choice, but because of a recent court ruling prohibiting it. The principal and several students were careful to stay within the guidelines allowed by the ruling. They gave inspirational and challenging speeches, but no one mentioned divine guidance and no one asked for blessings on the graduates or their families.

The speeches were nice, but they were routine. ...until the final speech received a standing ovation.

A solitary student walked proudly to the microphone. He stood still and silent for just a moment, and then, it happened...

All 92 students, every single one of them, suddenly SNEEZED!

The student on stage.. simply looked at the audience and said, "GOD BLESS YOU, each and every one of you!" And he walked off stage... The audience exploded into applause. This graduating class had found a unique way to invoke God's blessing on their future with or without the court's approval.

This is a true story! It happened at the University of Maryland .

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

462 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:18:39am

re: #458 BulgarWheat

toughest boss I ever had.

Women of the Big Ot brook no whine

463 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:18:40am

re: #442 BulgarWheat

not too bad. got a ton of yard work done this weekend, mulch put down, flowers planted, lots of tomato's in the ground too.

knees swollen and my hips are protesting, the wife is a driven tyrant.

as she told me all weekend long, "Suck it up, Nancy"

heh

Embrace the Suck.

---U.S. Army

464 yochanan  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:18:55am

re: #457 haakondahl

you win the contest.

465 BulgarWheat  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:19:40am

re: #462 BabbaZee

she doesn't speak "whinese" with me or the kids.

466 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:20:06am

re: #465 BulgarWheat

she doesn't speak "whinese" with me or the kids.

Whinese!

467 BulgarWheat  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:20:29am

re: #463 haakondahl

bohica

468 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:20:42am

re: #458 BulgarWheat Oh I'm sure of that, but also the most rewarding, eh?!

eh? WTH- did I become Canadian overnight?!

469 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:20:51am

re: #451 yochanan


Myself and others certainly thank him for his service to our great nation. I was actually "forced" to retire at 20 years.

470 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:20:54am

re: #441 haakondahl

On the fence. I thought that food stamps and certainly WIC could only be used for certain things?

On a connected note, what do you think of using an electronic system (like I suppose this inappropriately-named "Independence" card) to provide data to nutritionist-type people who work the cases? I loathe nanny-statism, but if we must have these programs, and I do feel that some of them are musts, then it makes sense to do them right--including folks tohelp counsel and educate so that the recipient eventually does (must and can) get off the system.
The basically unmonitored and completely counter-productive welfare system of the pre-Newt decades was just a crime perpetrated against the recipients AND the taxpayers. The only winners were Democrat politicians and government employees.

WIC only provides specific items to pregnant women, nursing mothers and children under 5. The food stamp program provides a grant - essentially cash - that can only be spent on groceries. Not even toilet paper or dish liquid.

I think that what you are proposing is essentially a crime and unconstitutional. Most people who receive food stamps are not criminal. They are not stupid, most of them graduated from high school and very few of them are of the helpless welfare sort we saw in Katrina.

Let's say you lost your job tomorrow when you went in to work. And for some reason or other either did not qualify for unemployment or ran out before you found another job. YOU would be eligible for food stamps. For that matter, if you have a couple of kids you might be eligible on unemployment. Would YOU go down and demean yourself to grovel and beg for foodstamps if you were going to be treated as you propose?

471 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:21:08am

re: #461 Dolphin

They walked in tandem, each of the ninety-two students filing into the already crowded auditorium. With their rich maroon gowns flowing, and the traditional caps, they looked almost .... as grown up as they felt. Dads swallowed hard behind broad smiles, and Moms freely brushed away tears.

This class would NOT pray during the commencements----not by choice, but because of a recent court ruling prohibiting it. The principal and several students were careful to stay within the guidelines allowed by the ruling. They gave inspirational and challenging speeches, but no one mentioned divine guidance and no one asked for blessings on the graduates or their families.

The speeches were nice, but they were routine. ...until the final speech received a standing ovation.

A solitary student walked proudly to the microphone. He stood still and silent for just a moment, and then, it happened...

All 92 students, every single one of them, suddenly SNEEZED!

The student on stage.. simply looked at the audience and said, "GOD BLESS YOU, each and every one of you!" And he walked off stage... The audience exploded into applause. This graduating class had found a unique way to invoke God's blessing on their future with or without the court's approval.

This is a true story! It happened at the University of Maryland .

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

:-)

How do you make a BIG BROAD GRIN in ASCII?

On the other hand, don't tell me how to make a big broad grin. God Willing, I'll never need to know.

472 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:21:14am
473 CIA Reject  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:21:37am

re: #388 rightside

James T Kirk, you should write a play called the penis monologues.

Judging from his speeches I think Obama has already written "The Sphincter Monologues"...

474 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:21:49am

Lounge Fly

/crank it

475 Cap'n DOC  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:21:51am

re: #463 haakondahl

Any whining on my part usually gets a "Is Muffin feelin' poorly?" out of my better half. I know when to quit.

476 chief long name  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:22:01am

re: #443 BabbaZee

In my many absences I've missed something. What is this ots you speak of?

477 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:22:06am

re: #460 realwest

Doing pretty good thanks, not feeling sick today. Must be a low pollen count!

478 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:22:23am

re: #468 realwest

Oh I'm sure of that, but also the most rewarding, eh?!

eh? WTH- did I become Canadian overnight?!

Oo, Ya, eh. What, naboody toold ya aboot it?

479 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:22:36am

re: #461 Dolphin Oh man, do I just LOVE that story! Thanks!

480 3 wood  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:22:50am

Good Morning Lizards.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

Another Chicago Bear is in trouble with the law.


Bears running back pepper-sprayed after allegedly resisting police

Bears running back Cedric Benson was pepper-sprayed and charged with drunken boating and resisting arrest in Texas -- but he denies the charges, saying police roughed him up for no reason.

A former Texas Longhorn, Benson was arrested Saturday night after he turned "combative" and "argumentative" during a safety check on his boat on Lake Travis, said Robbie Searcy of the Lower Colorado River Authority, which patrols the lake about 20 miles from Austin in Texas' pricey Hill Country.


I'd dump this chump now before the Bears have another "tank Johnson" situation on their hands.

481 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:23:09am

re: #447 BabbaZee

Granny ~

Did you write PBC? Did he respond?

I went to write him late last night and found I don't have his address as I thought I did. Realwest might have gotten it from him the other night - I hope. Intend to write him in a bit if he does not see this.

482 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:23:37am

re: #476 chief long name

In my many absences I've missed something. What is this ots you speak of?

LOL

long stupid story
someone called me a bigot
that became Big OT is ripping us off ...
been riffing on it ever since

483 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:24:01am

Real make sure you send him my addy please


Granny thanks

484 Dolphin  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:24:18am

re: #479 realwest

Restores a liitle bit of hope for the new generations huh? At least it did me!

485 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:24:58am
A Kuwait court on Sunday handed down a fourth death sentence on a 27-year-old Egyptian man accused of abducting and raping 17 children, a legal source said.

Jihad al-Saadi was arrested in July as he prepared to board a flight to Luxor in Egypt. Authorities said he confessed to raping 17 children in Hawalli, a residential district 12 kilometers (seven miles) south of Kuwait City.

The court, which has been trying the man on a case-by-case basis, had already issued three death sentences and a life term on Saadi.

In September, he told the court his confession had been obtained under torture and denied all the charges against him.

Saadi had earned the nickname “the Hawalli monster” after a spate of rapes of boys and girls aged 10 years and younger, whom he lured onto rooftops in the residential district, mostly inhabited by foreign workers.

[Link: shariahfinancewatch.wordpress.com...]

486 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:25:18am

this is just creepy

[Link: biased-bbc.blogspot.com...]

487 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:25:44am
re: #474 BabbaZee

Lounge Fly

/crank it



Much better sound Q

488 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:25:44am

re: #472 savage_nation
Hey good morning Savage! How and where are ya this morning?

489 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:27:25am
490 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:28:47am

re: #444 sparrowlake

I am Canadian and am familiar with the Canadian system. With all its serious faults and shortcomings it is IMO far superior to a system which completely denies a minimum decent level of care to the needy. IOW I'd rather be poor and seriously ill up here in Canada than in the States.
...but of course it's always better to be rich. LOL.

I know more than a few Canadians who have been chronically ill who would strongly disagree with you. Several of them died waiting for promised treatment that never quit arrived.

Here in the states, being poor and seriously ill is not always terrible. Many states provide the same level of care as Blue Cross-Blue Shield private insurance would. Some provide better. Some small states simply foot the bill for private insurance. The people who have it tough here are those that make too much money to be poor enough to qualify for free care but for some reason don't have insurance and don't make enough to pay for private care.

491 yochanan  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:29:11am

had military health care for the first 23 years of my life. you got all the care you needed and you were in the hospital longer than private care but the bed side mannor left something to be desired.

493 Dolphin  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:29:33am

re: #486 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Very! What is TV Licensing? Is that like cable (in the US) in the UK?

494 Cap'n DOC  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:30:58am

re: #489 savage_nation

What's the problem? That guy could see at least 15 feet in front of the truck at all times. ;o)

495 chief long name  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:31:21am

re: #482 BabbaZee

Big OT is ripping my sides w/laughter...

496 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:31:33am

re: #492 BabbaZee

Love that tune!

497 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:31:58am

re: #495 chief long name

Mwaha! That's just how tyrants like me'll heil ya.

498 yochanan  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:32:00am

re: #469 rightside

he was also at a small engagement on dec 7th. he was in a baracks waiting to be transfered to the cv-6.

i asked him about it all he said was I would not understand.

499 Silhouette  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:32:04am

re: #480 3 wood

Now, why am I reminded of this joke?

We advise that people wear noisy little bells on their clothing so as not to startle bears that are not expecting them. We also advise everyone to carry pepper spray in case of an encounter with a grizzly.

It is also a good idea to watch out for fresh signs of bear activity. Outdoorsmen should recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear dung:
Black bear dung is smaller and contains lots of berries and squirrel fur.
Grizzly bear dung has noisy little bells in it and smells like pepper spray.“

500 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:32:12am

re: #496 rightside

me too.

501 Miss Trixie  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:33:16am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning, {lizards}! &#9836 &#9834

A loverly day with plenty of sinshine the valley is blooming all over.

{realwest} Morning, luv *smooooooooooooch* How's it goin', eh?

:P

502 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:33:46am

re: #493 Dolphin

Very! What is TV Licensing? Is that like cable (in the US) in the UK?

If you live in the UK you have to pay the bloody BBC an annual licensing fee for each and every TV you own, whether you ever watch the BBC or not. They have special vans that roam the countryside hunting illegal televisions.

503 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:33:56am

re: #473 CIA Reject

LOL

He's the anti-MLK Jr.

504 lawhawk  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:33:59am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that some folks who were hoping that McCain might choose a really different VP candidate might get their wish if the whispering campaign is right.

Can you say McCain-Jindal? It wouldn't quite roll off the tongue, and Jindal isn't exactly a household name, but he has started to clean up the mess that is LA. It might be a bit too soon for him, but he's got more accomplished in his short term as governor than either Obama or Clinton - and has leadership as an executive, which neither Democrat can mention.

505 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:34:09am

Wow.........

YANGON, Myanmar (AP) - Diplomats say Myanmar's foreign minister acknowledges in a briefing that cyclone death toll could rise to 10,000.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

506 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:34:12am

re: #470 galloping granny

WIC only provides specific items to pregnant women, nursing mothers and children under 5. The food stamp program provides a grant - essentially cash - that can only be spent on groceries. Not even toilet paper or dish liquid.

I think that what you are proposing is essentially a crime and unconstitutional. Most people who receive food stamps are not criminal. They are not stupid, most of them graduated from high school and very few of them are of the helpless welfare sort we saw in Katrina.

Let's say you lost your job tomorrow when you went in to work. And for some reason or other either did not qualify for unemployment or ran out before you found another job. YOU would be eligible for food stamps. For that matter, if you have a couple of kids you might be eligible on unemployment. Would YOU go down and demean yourself to grovel and beg for foodstamps if you were going to be treated as you propose?

I have been that poor and leaned on family and friends. I sold blood to buy gas. You can get 28 bucks a week and a neat little scar in your elbow, just big enough to hide a grain of rice (if you ever need to...). One year I had NINE W-2s and was always hungry by payday. On the other hand, I did not have any children to feed, which of course changes things. I have a son now, and if I were that broke, and there were no jobs shovelling shit or whatever it took--I would march right down there and politely ask to be helped. I would expect to be treated somewhat shabbiliy, because that's just how white folks will -- Sorry, that's just how it is when you are face-to-face with the most faceless entity on Earth--the government. But when it comes to hungry children, you go stand in line if you must, you go swallow your pride, a LOT of it and rightfully so--other people are now feeding your child--but it's not the end of the world, and it should be a low point from which you COME BACK.

Lemme ask you this. If I were content to stay on food stamps or welfare (or whatever system), would you be content to continue paying?

All I have said is endure a little gov-speak directed at a spot somewhere above and behind you, and swallow your pride (but keep your bearing--very different). I do not think that my previous post said anything about demeaning oneself, grovelling or begging. What I did say was that if a person is going to subsist on the public dollar, then the public is entiteld to feel that their money is not being wasted on welfare junkies. I know that you said the system was rarely scammed--that was in-cor-rect.

Do you feel that the programs should simply dispense money?

507 Silhouette  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:35:18am

re: #485 storagemanager

Good on Kuwait for convicting the bastard instead of naming a street after him or something.

508 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:35:38am

re: #504 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that some folks who were hoping that McCain might choose a really different VP candidate might get their wish if the whispering campaign is right.

Can you say McCain-Jindal? It wouldn't quite roll off the tongue, and Jindal isn't exactly a household name, but he has started to clean up the mess that is LA. It might be a bit too soon for him, but he's got more accomplished in his short term as governor than either Obama or Clinton - and has leadership as an executive, which neither Democrat can mention.

And he, too, is a man of color, which negates the automatic black vote for Obama. I think it would be a brilliant combo.

509 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:36:30am

re: #480 3 wood Hey good morning my friend! How did "we" do playing golf yesterday?!

510 3 wood  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:37:33am

re: #488 realwest

Good Morning real.

You played a great round of golf yesterday afternoon. I just re-checked your score and you shot a 76.

After not playing a hole of golf since last October and taking one practice swing on the 1st tee box, you stepped up and smoked a smooth draw right down the middle of the 1st fairway (a long par 4)to within about 140 yards of the pin, set yourself up for a 7 iron to the pin, and a 2 putt for an easy par on your first hole of the year. Then you got aggressive, cut the corner on the dog-leg 2nd hole into a stiff wind, stuffed a wedge next to the flag on your second shot and birdied your 2nd hole of the year. You made the turn at 4 over and played even par onthe back 9, including a birdie on one of the longest par 5's in mid-Illinois.

Great round pal.

511 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:37:38am

re: #493 Dolphin

YOu have to pay a large fee (few hundred pounds) to watch TV in britan apparently.

512 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:37:59am

Glad I pushed myself yesterday...work done..and looks like rain..

513 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:38:09am

re: #481 galloping granny Nope, {galloping granny} I never got his e-mail addy. Nothing we can do if he doesn't want to "talk".
Sigh.

514 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:38:41am

re: #456 haakondahl

And nobody should ever EVER write a play called the penis dialogues.

If you want someone with an interest in theater to write about penises...

It's Sulu you want, not me.

515 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:39:01am
516 CIA Reject  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:40:33am

re: #503 rightside

LOL

He's the anti-MLK Jr.

He is that, but don't try to tell it to any of his enraptured disciples. I used to have a link to a collection of MLK's regular sermons and I was impressed at how conservative most of them were- I remember thinking that Fulton Sheen could have written a lot of them.

Were he alive today I doubt that MLK would have anything to do with Obama.

517 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:40:37am
Following are excerpts from an interview with Hamas MP Salem Salamah, which aired on Al-Aqsa TV on April 23, 2008.
Salem Salamah: There are companies established by the colonialists and occupiers - large companies with branches all over the world, like Pepsi, Pepsi Cola. This is a well-known company. Pepsi is an acronym. P-E-P-S-I - Pay Every Pence to Save Israel. Pay every pence - pence is one hundredth of a dollar – to save Israel. Pay every pence to save Israel. Shouldn't the Muslims have a fund, a company, or a large project to save the Al-Aqsa Mosque? [Link: jihadwatch.org...]
518 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:41:15am

re: #486 Jewels (AKA Julian)

it is creepy

519 3 wood  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:41:15am

re: #499 Silhouette

Now, why am I reminded of this joke?

Most of the "Bears" activity in the last year or so has been comprised of watching other teams players run real fast into the end zone holding the football, and modeling various types of handcuffs during their personal time.

520 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:41:55am

re: #501 {Miss Trixie} Eh, *smoooch * right back atcha gorgeous!
I'm doing great for a guy trying to type while he's boogying in his chair! LOL!

521 3 wood  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:42:16am

re: #499 Silhouette


Oh, and impregnating hookers. The Bears are real good at that.

522 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:42:48am

re: #498 yochanan

I can't imagine what that must have felt like. That's something that is deep inside you the rest of your life. Nightmares and everything.

523 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:43:30am
524 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:44:06am

re: #506 haakondahl

I have been that poor and leaned on family and friends. I sold blood to buy gas. You can get 28 bucks a week and a neat little scar in your elbow, just big enough to hide a grain of rice (if you ever need to...). One year I had NINE W-2s and was always hungry by payday. On the other hand, I did not have any children to feed, which of course changes things. I have a son now, and if I were that broke, and there were no jobs shovelling shit or whatever it took--I would march right down there and politely ask to be helped. I would expect to be treated somewhat shabbiliy, because that's just how white folks will -- Sorry, that's just how it is when you are face-to-face with the most faceless entity on Earth--the government. But when it comes to hungry children, you go stand in line if you must, you go swallow your pride, a LOT of it and rightfully so--other people are now feeding your child--but it's not the end of the world, and it should be a low point from which you COME BACK.

Lemme ask you this. If I were content to stay on food stamps or welfare (or whatever system), would you be content to continue paying?

All I have said is endure a little gov-speak directed at a spot somewhere above and behind you, and swallow your pride (but keep your bearing--very different). I do not think that my previous post said anything about demeaning oneself, grovelling or begging. What I did say was that if a person is going to subsist on the public dollar, then the public is entiteld to feel that their money is not being wasted on welfare junkies. I know that you said the system was rarely scammed--that was in-cor-rect.

Do you feel that the programs should simply dispense money?

You might start out asking politely, but by the time that you were done jumping through hoops you would know well and truly that you were being demeaned. Of course I am of an older generation than you are I think and am pretty stiff-necked about such things.

No, of course I don't feel the system should just dispense money, though I do think that the system dispenses money in ways that are distinctly not helpful and fails to dispense when a little dispensing could really change things for the better.

And I did not say the system is rarely scammed, I said that most people who have collected food stamps are not scamming the system, if you can see the logical difference between those two statements.

What I think is that all you good people who have no knowledge of the system other than the propaganda that you read in the MSM and have been lucky enough to never have to avail yourselves of the system or work within the system should do a little bit of investigation in your very own state about just what you might have to do to apply, comply and survive on those food stamps you rail about. (It is readily available online.) I also happen to think that every single one of our elected officials should be required to live on Welfare for 30 days before taking office to give them a more balanced perspective than their limousines, arugula and $99 a pound ham can provide.

525 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:44:25am

re: #516 CIA Reject


Agreed. Or with many others in todays so-called "civil rights movement" aka, race hustling.

526 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:44:46am

re: #510 3 wood Ah thank you kindly!
I ALWAYS play better when I play golf "with" you! LOL!

527 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:45:04am

re: #513 realwest

Nope, {galloping granny} I never got his e-mail addy. Nothing we can do if he doesn't want to "talk".
Sigh.

Maybe he is reading and will notice your blue nic.

528 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:45:08am
SOUTH CHICAGO HEIGHTS, Ill. — Bill Bramanti will love Pabst Blue Ribbon eternally, and he's got the custom-made beer-can casket to prove it. "I actually fit, because I got in here," said Bramanti of South Chicago Heights.

The 67-year-old Glenwood village administrator doesn't plan on needing it anytime soon, though.

He threw a party Saturday for friends and filled his silver coffin — designed in Pabst's colors of red, white and blue — with ice and his favorite brew.

"Why put such a great novelty piece up on a shelf in storage when you could use it only the way Bill Bramanti would use it?" said Bramanti's daughter, Cathy Bramanti, 42

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

529 3 wood  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:46:02am

re: #523 savage_nation

I miss Walter Peyton.


He was a wonderful guy, classy too. I got to meet him once.

530 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:46:22am
531 3 wood  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:46:34am

re: #528 storagemanager

Believe it or not, I know this guy.

532 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:47:08am

re: #527 galloping granny I don't think he can access LGF Safe mail if he's blocked I'm afraid.
That's why I had asked him to at least use the safe mail about a week ago so he'd have my address if he ever needed it.
Shit.

533 yochanan  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:47:20am

re: #504 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that some folks who were hoping that McCain might choose a really different VP candidate might get their wish if the whispering campaign is right.

Can you say McCain-Jindal? It wouldn't quite roll off the tongue, and Jindal isn't exactly a household name, but he has started to clean up the mess that is LA. It might be a bit too soon for him, but he's got more accomplished in his short term as governor than either Obama or Clinton - and has leadership as an executive, which neither Democrat can mention.

a good chance jindal would help in my ward in chicago. it would put the kabash on calling the gop racist.

534 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:47:56am
535 3 wood  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:48:42am

re: #526 realwest

I ALWAYS play better when I play golf "with" you! LOL!

You were a machine yesterday with the irons. Your putting was a little loose, but the irons had radar.

536 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:48:44am
537 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:48:47am

Hey, y'all--

Have you seen the cover photo of the current issue of The New Republic?
Wild-eyed Hillary doing a quasi-Nazi salute, surrounded by frantic, mocking thought bubbles.

Liberal implosion is fun to watch.

538 Silhouette  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:48:50am

re: #519 3 wood

It's a shame. Pair a natural aggressiveness that is desired and cultivated in athletes with an almost god-like status they are often given in schools, where they learn the rules for everyone else (like attendance) don't apply to them, and one gets the situation we have now, where I find a story of an athlete in trouble with the law in the sports section every day.

Practicing Psych 101 on a Monday morning, admittedly.

539 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:48:53am

re: #532 realwest

I don't think he can access LGF Safe mail if he's blocked I'm afraid.
That's why I had asked him to at least use the safe mail about a week ago so he'd have my address if he ever needed it.
Shit.

Oh, you are right. I had forgotten that.

540 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:48:54am
541 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:49:08am

re: #498 yochanan

he was also at a small engagement on dec 7th. he was in a baracks waiting to be transfered to the cv-6.

i asked him about it all he said was I would not understand.

Is he still alive? I'm afraid that I have a small bone to respectfully pick weith the Greatest Generation, and that is that they believed that we would never forget. I am convinced that if more grandfathers had traumatized their kids and grandkids with tales of war, and horrified them with tales of appeasement, we would be in a lot better situation than we are in today. But that's the extent of it. My grandfather liberated Paris etc, so you know he caught some Hell, and he wouldn't speak of it either. The only time he came close, he was talking about something else and had cause to mention the name of Adolf Hitler. People who haven't seen this won't believe it, but in the space of just a few seconds, his face flushed just a littl, his jaw trembled just a bit and he almost stammered the name, forced it out, and then--spat forcefully on his own floor in furious disgust.
Then he changed the subject.
So I understand a tiny corner of why they were so reluctant to speak of these things. But I wish that there had been some way for them to know the impossible--the unthinkable--just how swiftly and viciously we would turn our backs on their accomplishments and ungratefully cast away what they bought for us at so dear a price. I am sure that if they had known then what they are seeing from us now, they would have driven a few points home.
"This is a picture of my best friend. He's dead. Parts of his skull are still in my ribcage. He would be alive today if the Democracies hadn't given the lying dictators a ten-year head start."
I agree that people like us would not have understood as children, or even as young adults. But as I get older, I begin to understand more and more of what my own father tried to tell me.
I don't know why I'm rambling so.

542 3 wood  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:50:22am

re: #534 savage_nation

wow, that must have been cool

He came into a municipality I used to work at with a friend to apply for a building permit. He started answering the phones while he was there.

543 galloping granny  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:51:05am

gotta go folks. Math and yardwork are shouting my name. Later.

544 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:51:15am

re: #532 realwest

I don't think he can access LGF Safe mail if he's blocked I'm afraid.
That's why I had asked him to at least use the safe mail about a week ago so he'd have my address if he ever needed it.
Shit.

He can always post at fall back if he wants.

545 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:51:22am

re: #533 yochanan

...it would put the kabash on calling the gop racist.

No, it wouldn't. Colin Powell didn't stop the GOP from being described as the racist party of rich white men, nor did Condi Rice, and so forth. You're making the mistake of assuming that the accusations of racism against the GOP have any connection to logic, honesty, or reality.

546 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:51:38am

re: #544 storagemanager
true

547 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:51:45am

Having a bathroom torn out and tiled, with fixtures and stuff. It appears that I am trying to kick start the nation's economy single handedly.

548 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:52:00am
549 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:52:28am

Okey dokey, didn't go over so well the first two times
(on account of you heathens not liking a Cappella)
but ya gotta love this:
[Link: www.imeem.com...]
TIk7Va/music/Nl84l7wH/rockapella
_up_on_the_roofwonderful_world/

550 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:52:40am
551 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:52:46am

re: #545 JamesTKirk

No, it wouldn't. Colin Powell didn't stop the GOP from being described as the racist party of rich white men, nor did Condi Rice, and so forth. You're making the mistake of assuming that the accusations of racism against the GOP have any connection to logic, honesty, or reality.

Exactly. I remember the names the left called Colin and Rice.

Once they worked for a Republican, they were no longer considered Black.

NOTHING stops the left from calling conservatives racist. That is the only way the left can continue to be unaccountable for their racism.

552 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:52:56am

re: #548 rightside

Why I am a meat eater.

Because meat tastes good.

553 hayseed  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:53:21am

re: #547 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Having a bathroom torn out and tiled, with fixtures and stuff. It appears that I am trying to kick start the nation's economy single handedly.

what make fixtures are ya using

554 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:53:40am

re: #508 galloping granny

And he, too, is a man of color, which negates the automatic black vote for Obama. I think it would be a brilliant combo.

Just because he's not caucasian doesn't mean he's black. I know you didn't say that, but that's what would be required for him to chip into the black vote any more than the white. But I agree that it would be a brilliant combo--just not for any automatic electoral advantage.

555 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:54:00am

re: #548 rightside

Why I am a meat eater.

Why I hate militant vegetarians, and other militant "food" types.

556 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:54:17am

Foodists!

557 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:54:24am
558 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:54:33am

Cyclone kills nearly 4,000
I've had enough with people ranting about the United States. We had a series of tornados and haven't had many die at all.

They have 1 cyclone and nearly 4,000 die.

No warning systems? And people here rant about not getting free pills on the government's dime?

You tell me which is a 'human rights' issue..

559 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:54:51am

re: #547 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Having a bathroom torn out and tiled, with fixtures and stuff. It appears that I am trying to kick start the nation's economy single handedly.

Oh, so you've got one of those fancy indoor bathrooms, do ya... well, ooh-la-la, Mr. Park Avenue Manicure! The rest of us are over here in the outhouse, clinging to our guns.

560 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:54:53am

The Godfather speaks.....

.Elsewhere in his remarks, Ayatollah Khamenei said the Iranian nation can and will, by the grace of God, overcome the enemies, while continuing the path towards progress and development.

He said the US administration, which is the standard bearer of arrogance, has come across many problems and difficulties, the most important of which are its problems with Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan and Lebanon.

He also referred to growing opposition of people to the US and to the presence of occupation troops in Iraq and said, "The opposition to and hatred of the US have reached such an alarming level that the Republican presidential candidate is now telling people the same reality that we have already announced. The main goal of the US in occupying Iraq is to dominate the country's oil resources and those of the region."
The Supreme Leader said that despite their failure, the big powers are still speaking with others with the language of threat so as to terrify them.

"The Iranian nation is aware of such a tactic and has not fear of the threats of the US and other big powers. It will not get scared," Ayatollah Khamenei said.

[Link: www2.irna.com...]

561 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:54:56am

remind me never to go to Britian

[Link: biased-bbc.blogspot.com...]

562 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:54:58am

re: #549 realwest

Ah, that was dedicated to the one and only BabbaZee!

563 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:55:08am

re: #544 storagemanager

He can always post at fall back if he wants.

Hey! There's a good idea. PBC, hit us at fallback--we'll get the mail! (Just don't fly off the handle at anybody!)

564 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:55:12am

re: #553 hayseed

what make fixtures are ya using

Oh, crap. Is Kohler American?

But the contractor's native language is English.

565 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:55:13am

re: #548 rightside

"Sure, you vegans thought yourselves so morally pure. But according to the Swiss government, your hands are stained with the chlorophyll of innocent beings..."

Listen up brothers and sisters, come hear my desperate tale
I speak of our friends of nature, trapped in the dirt like a jail
Vegetables live in oppression, served on our tables each night
The killing of veggies is madness, I say we take up the fight
Salads are only for murderers, cole slaw's a fascist regime
Don't think that they don't have feelings, just cuz a radish can't
scream

CHORUS
I've heard the screams of the vegetables (scream scream
scream)
Watching their skins being peeled (Having their insides
revealed)
Grated and steamed with no mercy (burning off calories)
How do you think that feels (bet it hurts really bad)
Carrot Juice constitutes murder (and that's a real crime)
Greenhouses prisons for slaves (let my vegetables grow)
It's time to stop all this gardening (it's as dirty as hell)
Let's call a spade a spade (is a spade is a spade...)

I saw a man eating celery, so I beta him black and blue
If he ever touches a sprout again, I'll bite him clean in two
I'm a political prisoner trapped in a windowless cage
Cuz I stopped the slughter of turnips by killing three men in a
rage
I told the judge when he sentenced me, this is my finest hour
I'd kill those farmers again just to save one more cauliflower

CHORUS

How low as people do we dare to stoop
Making young broccoli's bleed in the soup
Untie your beans, uncage your tomatoes, let ptted plants free
Don't mash that potatoe

I've heard the screams of the vegetables (scream scream
scream)
Watching their skins being peeled (fates in the stir fry are
sealed)
Grated and steamed with no mercy (you fat gourmet slob)
How do you think that feels (leave them out in the fields)
Carrot Juice constitutes murder (V8's genocide)
Greenhouses prisons for slaves (yes your compost's a grave)
It's time to stop all this gardening (take up macram_)
Let's call a spade a spade (is a spade is a spade...)

Power to the peas
Give peas a chance
All we are saying is give peas a chance

566 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:55:35am
567 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:55:46am

re: #521 3 wood

Oh, and impregnating hookers. The Bears are real good at that.

Gosh, who isn't?

568 right wing zephyr  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:55:50am
The enemy is anybody who’s going to get you killed, no matter which side he’s on.

— Joseph Heller

Thanks Joseph. I couldn't agree more.

569 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:55:52am

re: #562 realwest

Ah, that was dedicated to the one and only BabbaZee!

There's no song there
just a list

and I love acapella

570 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:56:15am

re: #558 LanceKates

Cyclone kills nearly 4,000
I've had enough with people ranting about the United States. We had a series of tornados and haven't had many die at all.

They have 1 cyclone and nearly 4,000 die.

No warning systems? And people here rant about not getting free pills on the government's dime?

You tell me which is a 'human rights' issue..


It's 10,000 now Lance.

571 Silhouette  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:57:01am

re: #545 JamesTKirk

No, it wouldn't. Colin Powell didn't stop the GOP from being described as the racist party of rich white men, nor did Condi Rice, and so forth. You're making the mistake of assuming that the accusations of racism against the GOP have any connection to logic, honesty, or reality.

I agree. The GOP could field a P-VP ticket where both were Black women, one lesbian and the other in a wheelchair, and the spin would be that the racist GOP were "covering" for their racism with this obvious ploy.

Because a man who raped one women, cheated on another for decades, and abused his power to seduce countless women was still the choice of the feminists over GHW Bush and Dole.

572 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:57:24am

Whew! Kohler! Sheboygan, WI! Woot! Buy American! (Can't beleive I didn't think to check before buying the crap!)

573 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:57:44am

re: #565 JamesTKirk

Ever hearthis one?

Mich-Again posted it yesterday
hysterical

/many effs alert for those who do not dig profanity

574 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:57:44am

re: #514 JamesTKirk

If you want someone with an interest in theater to write about penises...

It's Sulu you want, not me.

LT Uhura--assemble a team consisting of yourself, Nurse Chapel, and Yeoman Rand. You're going to be doing some book research.

575 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:57:54am

re: #563 haakondahl Hey Hawk (and Storeagemanager) y'all ought to put up the link for Fallback - don't think I ever saw him there!)!

576 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:58:00am

re: #566 buzzsawmonkey

Then clearly the solution to any race problem in America is for all blacks to become Republican.

If once they are Republican they are no longer "black," then there will be no black people, and therefore no race problem, in America if all "blacks" become Republican--regardless of the objective color of anyone's skin.

When Rice took over as Sec State, I remember reading LOTS of blogs that said things so sexist and racist that I was sickened. Imus gets nearly blacklisted for cracking a joke that was distasteful, these guys were vicious.

I really think, despite the references to David Duke, that the majority of racism still exists on the left.

577 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:58:14am

re: #571 Silhouette

Because a man who raped one women that we know of, cheated on another for decades, and abused his power to seduce countless women was still the choice of the feminists over GHW Bush and Dole.

Fixed that for ya.

578 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:58:18am

re: #569 BabbaZee
[Link: www.imeem.com...]

579 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:58:52am

re: #578 realwest
Sorry about that BABBA!

580 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:59:15am

re: #570 storagemanager

It's 10,000 now Lance.

They upped it in the last hour?

insane.

How about this... we'll consider universal healthcare when they get a [censored] air alert siren for such weather.

581 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 6:59:33am

re: #575 realwest

Hey Hawk (and Storeagemanager) y'all ought to put up the link for Fallback - don't think I ever saw him there!)!


[Link: www.fallbacklgf.blogspot.com...]

582 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:00:01am

Babba, I hope you doin' ok! No matter how bad you may feel, it is good to know that your spleen is vented. :)

583 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:00:15am

re: #576 LanceKates

When Rice took over as Sec State, I remember reading LOTS of blogs that said things so sexist and racist that I was sickened. Imus gets nearly blacklisted for cracking a joke that was distasteful, these guys were vicious.

I really think, despite the references to David Duke, that the majority of racism still exists on the left.

That's because when people make racist attacks at GOP blacks (like Michael Steele), they're just being "edgy". Yes, that was the defense.

584 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:00:39am

re: #573 BabbaZee


Ever hear this one?

Yes, but it never hurts to hear it again.

585 hayseed  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:00:45am

re: #564 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, crap. Is Kohler American?

But the contractor's native language is English.

I believe they are....I just don't understand that Kohler is also into golf resorts.lol

586 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:00:58am

re: #580 LanceKates

They upped it in the last hour?

insane.

How about this... we'll consider universal healthcare when they get a [censored] air alert siren for such weather.

Myanmar Foreign Minister: Cyclone Death Toll Could Reach 10,000 [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

587 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:01:50am

So ... how many people saw Iron Man over the weekend?

588 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:02:05am

re: #566 buzzsawmonkey

Then clearly the solution to any race problem in America is for all blacks to become Republican.

If once they are Republican they are no longer "black," then there will be no black people, and therefore no race problem, in America if all "blacks" become Republican--regardless of the objective color of anyone's skin.

Well, if they had the proper mindset to become Rebublican, they would be looking to learn and work and make a place for themselves, like Condi, Powell, Thomas, and many others, instead of putting the blame on whites like Irrev. Wrong says.
And they'd be well integrated into society, and racism would decline.
Not the least of the decline would be the end of the black racism the Farrakhans and Wrights promote.

589 chief long name  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:02:15am

re: #549 realwest

I thought your first one was wonderful, just didn't say anything.
[realwest]

590 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:02:16am

re: #583 JamesTKirk

Yup. as with everything else, the left steals the virtues of the conservatives and tries to cast upon conservatives the vices of the left.

591 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:02:35am
592 Widow'smight  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:02:39am

re: #559 Occasional Reader

Thought of you and Lance yesterday when the neighbor was shooting his automatic rifle in the woods. Unfortunately, was unable to distinquish whether it was 7.62 or 5.56, but leaning towards the former because of the decibles.

I'll have to go ask him sometime, but I better call first to make sure he's got the happy face going.

593 hayseed  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:03:04am

re: #582 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I was at the store friday and saw a bottle of Fat Bastard merlot,had to buy it.lol

594 yochanan  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:03:11am

re: #557 ploome hineni

Ike was a great man.

I know too much about the Shoah because 95% of my wife's family died in it.

When we were stationed in germany my father made a point of taking me to see Dachou.

595 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:03:13am

re: #582 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Babba, I hope you doin' ok! No matter how bad you may feel, it is good to know that your spleen is vented. :)

Woe unto the spleenless, for we have not what to vent with!

596 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:03:24am

re: #587 JamesTKirk

So ... how many people saw Iron Man over the weekend?

GOING AT NOON. Must get out of contractor's way. I understand there is a 10% upcharge for labor if I watch. 50% upcharge for labor if I help.

597 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:03:37am

re: #548 rightside

Why I am a meat eater.

Heh. And to think I used to mock vegans and vegetarians in high school by mentioning vegetable rights.

CARROT KILLER!

:-)

598 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:04:00am

re: #586 storagemanager

how horrible.

No doubt that we and many other countries will send over free money.

Free money that will rebuild any resorts there, and otherwise go into the coffers of the leaders.

No warning sirens will be put in place, nothing to keep people safe.

599 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:04:04am

re: #578 realwest

Thanks Real!

600 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:04:31am

re: #587 JamesTKirk

So ... how many people saw Iron Man over the weekend?

I wouldn't go anyway, but I'll wait for it to be on TV due to the antiwar message.
And it did look good; I used to have the Iron Man comic book where he switched from the yellow suit to the red one.

601 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:04:43am

re: #589 chief long name
Why thank you chief! I appreciate that. Just love that group - no instruments at all, but the "instrumental" sounds come from them smacking their chests and legs. The Folger's commercial made someone in the music industry listen up and they rushed out their first of, iirc 11 different albums!
Just love A Cappella!

602 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:04:59am

re: #592 Widow'smight

my 7.62 x 54r lets off a LOUD bang. I haven't been to the range in too long.

Just can't afford it.

603 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:05:04am

re: #593 hayseed

I was at the store friday and saw a bottle of Fat Bastard merlot,had to buy it.lol

I've had it. Good stuff.

604 sattv4u2  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:05:19am

re: #597 Honorary Yooper

Heh. And to think I used to mock vegans and vegetarians in high school by mentioning vegetable rights.

CARROT KILLER!

:-)

There's nothing better than getting up in the morning, going out to the veggie/ fruit garden, and hearing all those lil buggers screams as I pick em !

605 hayseed  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:05:25am

re: #597 Honorary Yooper

Heh. And to think I used to mock vegans and vegetarians in high school by mentioning vegetable rights.

CARROT KILLER!

:-)

does a carrot scream when you yank it out of the ground?.

606 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:05:34am
607 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:05:35am

re: #597 Honorary Yooper

Heh. And to think I used to mock vegans and vegetarians in high school by mentioning vegetable rights.

CARROT KILLER!

:-)

"Vegetable rights and peace!" -Neil, The Young Ones

608 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:05:39am
609 Silhouette  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:05:47am

re: #580 LanceKates

They upped it in the last hour?

insane.

How about this... we'll consider universal healthcare when they get a [censored] air alert siren for such weather.

It is a lot more than just the lack of a siren.

It is the lack of capitalism and freedom that in a western society ends up with buildings and infrastructure that can withstand severe weather, and quickly repair what is damaged, including people.

Two Earthquakes And Their Results Under Two Different Social Systems - By Thomas Sowell

Within a week of each other, two earthquakes struck on opposite sides of the world -- an earthquake measuring 6.5 on the Richter scale in California and a 6.6 earthquake in Iran. But, however similar the earthquakes, the human costs were enormously different.

The deaths in Iran have been counted in the tens of thousands. In California, the deaths did not reach double digits. Why the difference? In one word, wealth.

Wealth enables homes, buildings and other structures to be built to withstand greater stresses. Wealth permits the creation of modern transportation that can quickly carry people to medical facilities. It enables those facilities to be equipped with more advanced medical apparatus and supplies, and amply staffed with highly trained doctors and support staff.

Those who disdain wealth as crass materialism need to understand that wealth is one of the biggest life-saving factors in the world.

610 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:06:23am

re: #597 Honorary Yooper

Cereal Killer! they're made from grains which are grown!

611 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:06:54am

re: #609 Silhouette

Yup. And, to the left, such wealth ought to be taken from us and given to everyone else.

612 sattv4u2  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:07:16am

re: #608 savage_nation

you sick man

you have NO ideaa how right you are !

613 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:07:35am

re: #597 Honorary Yooper

Heh. And to think I used to mock vegans and vegetarians in high school by mentioning vegetable rights.

CARROT KILLER!

:-)

That calls for Call Any Vegetable

614 lawhawk  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:07:45am

re: #547 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Get in line with that.

I've been doing my part to not only fix the economy single handedly - with a week long trip to Arizona, but will be doing my part to solve global warming with frequent use of my new gas grill at the house I purchased late last year. No carbon credit tithing here.

615 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:08:04am
616 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:08:04am

My wife cooked a cow yesterday and it was good!

617 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:08:22am

I highly recommend the Burma Wiki page. It is a tragic country. When the British left, it tailspinned into anarchy, poverty, coups, and overall misery.

618 Silhouette  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:08:27am

re: #609 myself

But what does Thomas Sowell know? He's just another evil white man keeping the brown man down.

/sarc

619 abolitionist  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:08:27am

re: #550 BabbaZee

Once upon a Time in The West

One of my favorite westerns... ranks right up there with Patton.
:)

620 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:08:38am

re: #557 ploome hineni
Hi ploome - thank you for posting that.
When my most recent ex-wife and I became "Charter Members" of the US Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C. (and if any of y'all haven't been there, PLEASE GO!) we got a ton of material in the mail (this was before it was actually built) and that piece by Ike was included.
Too bad he was such a "do nothing" President, hey?
/

621 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:08:45am
622 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:08:54am

re: #616 storagemanager

My wife cooked a cow yesterday and it was good!

A whole cow?

623 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:09:05am

re: #619 abolitionist

One of my favorite westerns... ranks right up there with Patton.
:)

I am a huge fan of Ennio Morricone and Sergio Leone both

624 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:09:05am

re: #596 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

GOING AT NOON. Must get out of contractor's way. I understand there is a 10% upcharge for labor if I watch. 50% upcharge for labor if I help.

I fired the last dishonest SOB that gave me that old joke as a line. Right then and there in a master bathroom with no shower and just a big ugly two-sided gap in the wall.

If you don't want me to watch, what the hell are you doing wrong that you want to hide?

Because that job was to fix the hidden defects that the builder assembled into the shower, like using gypsum board behind the tiles on one side (which eventually became waterlogged and cracked said tiles), and filling the shower seat with sand, scrap gypsum board, and construction debris (which eventually became little more than a cistern for the water esacping into the wall).

Oh no. I watch. You don't like, you take a hike.

625 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:09:13am
626 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:09:30am

re: #600 Kosh's Shadow

I wouldn't go anyway, but I'll wait for it to be on TV due to the antiwar message.
And it did look good; I used to have the Iron Man comic book where he switched from the yellow suit to the red one.


Anti-war message? I haven't seen it yet - hopefully this weekend, but Pete Suderman at NRO & Dirty Harry at Libertas both saw & approved. Besides, Iron Man is being trashed as a neo-con Zionist fascist by the libtards at IMDB, so I'm thinking it'll be pretty good.

627 hayseed  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:09:40am

Frank Zappa....call any vegetable

the vegetable will respond to you

628 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:09:46am

re: #524 galloping granny

You might start out asking politely, but by the time that you were done jumping through hoops you would know well and truly that you were being demeaned. Of course I am of an older generation than you are I think and am pretty stiff-necked about such things.

No, of course I don't feel the system should just dispense money, though I do think that the system dispenses money in ways that are distinctly not helpful and fails to dispense when a little dispensing could really change things for the better.

And I did not say the system is rarely scammed, I said that most people who have collected food stamps are not scamming the system, if you can see the logical difference between those two statements.

Very few people ever scammed the system.


If you meant that as a percentage, fine. But that wasn't what you said. No need to tag that condescending predicate on there. I may not be of the same generation, but I am stiff-necked enough in my own right, and know when I am being demeaned.

What I think is that all you good people who have no knowledge of the system other than the propaganda that you read in the MSM and have been lucky enough to never have to avail yourselves of the system or work within the system should do a little bit of investigation in your very own state about just what you might have to do to apply, comply and survive on those food stamps you rail about. (It is readily available online.) I also happen to think that every single one of our elected officials should be required to live on Welfare for 30 days before taking office to give them a more balanced perspective than their limousines, arugula and $99 a pound ham can provide.

Those are some pretty powerful assumptions. And if all we had heard about welfare was from the MSM, wouldn't we be all for it? "Yay, Welfare, it's the greatest thing since sli--Hey, IT IS SLICED BREAD!"
And luck? Is that it? Is that the difference between me and the people I'm supposed to feed? Well, then I wouldn't call that luck at all.
And rather than some hippy-Democrat playwright-for-peace idea about how we should all take the time to learn how the Welfare system works, you know, practice filling in the forms, go visit the bushy-tailed squirrels who work behind the desks, etc... I'd rather just work. I'd would rather preserve my dread of the unkown and let that spur me on the greater things. Practicing for failure is preparation to fail.

629 vxbush  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:10:12am

Greetings, greetings, lizardim. Preparing for yet another week of craziness and planning on surviving said week by hanging out on LGF as much as possible.

Regarding vegetable rights: in case no one else has suggested it, every carrot has the right to land in my mouth and be eaten. Every lima bean has the right to be completely ignored by me and thrown in the trash can.

630 Timbre  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:10:52am
"The U.S. has accused Iran of supporting Shiite militias in Iraq. But Iran, which is predominantly Shiite like Iraq, has blamed violence in the war-torn country on the U.S. presence."

FOX News.

I blame the violence on an aggressive, supremacist theology which finds glory in forcing submission upon anyone who does not acknowledge said supremacy.

631 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:11:10am

re: #611 LanceKates

Yup. And, to the left, such wealth ought to be taken from us and given to everyone else make themselves weathier at our expense.

There, fixed it to show the true nature of the Left.

632 UFO TOFU  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:11:16am

re: #624 OldLineTexan
Yes, I second that.

633 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:11:21am

re: #599 BabbaZee You're more than welcome! After all the GREAT TUNES you've provided to us, I just hadda find something great for you!
{MWAH}!

634 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:11:22am
635 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:11:44am

re: #622 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A whole cow?


naw...just a pot roast...lol

636 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:11:45am

Vegetable Man

/Whither thou Obama now, Roger?

637 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:12:20am

re: #570 storagemanager

It's 10,000 now Lance.

AND IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT! HECKUVA JOB THERE, BROWNIE! JAWJ BUSH DON'T CARE ABOUT MALA--... BANGLA--... [checks own crayon-screed on protest sign just to be sure] JAWJ BUSH DON'T CARE ABOUT MYANMARGAFARIANS! SUPERDOME MURDERS! BODIES FLOATING IN THE STREET! JAYWALKING!

638 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:12:22am

re: #624 OldLineTexan

Totally trust my guy. Unequivocally. Seen a ton of his work (really good), showed up when he said he would.

No money up-front. Reasonably priced.

639 loppyd  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:12:50am

Good Morning Lizard Nation....

Finally a beautiful day on Boston's North Shore.

Hope the sun is also shining on all over Lizardom.

640 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:12:54am

well crap. Neil Diamond tickets are out of the question. The cheapest seats I can find for my venue are 91 bucks.

Maybe I'll go to Glenn Beck's show instead.

(That bites, I'm a Neil Diamond fan.)

641 Kenneth  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:13:05am

Good morning everybody.

Realwest, Babba, & Granny,

Re: PBC

I just sent WriterMom an email explaining the situation, as I know she has PBC's email address. WriterMom has been traveling, so I don't know if or when she will pick up her messages. The fact is, he probably has my email too, from the group mailing WriterMom sends out for her Lizard Lunches. I suppose we will hear from him when he decides to get in touch.

642 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:13:09am
643 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:13:29am

re: #599 BabbaZee Course, y'all keep playing the [blech] Bee Gee's and all bets are off! LOL!

644 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:13:52am

re: #626 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Anti-war message? I haven't seen it yet - hopefully this weekend, but Pete Suderman at NRO & Dirty Harry at Libertas both saw & approved. Besides, Iron Man is being trashed as a neo-con Zionist fascist by the libtards at IMDB, so I'm thinking it'll be pretty good.

I'll keep reading about it. The Boston Globe's review talked about it (and of course, they liked that), but also a lizard saw it and complained about it. I guess it all depends on the viewer.

645 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:14:28am
646 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:14:42am

re: #641 Kenneth

Thanks Ken

647 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:14:49am

re: #625 buzzsawmonkey

But the left is IN power, so even by nature of their definition, they're racist.

They even fail their OWN test. Conservatives are not in power. We have a Democrat controlled congress, a left leaning judicial branch and a moderate President.

648 Cap'n DOC  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:15:15am

I stumbled on this picture of a flag-stomping friend of Obamarama while looking for something else this AM. Anybody else seen it?

649 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:15:23am

Good morning all, and happy Cinco de Mayo*.

* - an opportunity to eat some mexican food and drink margaritas

650 sattv4u2  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:15:30am

re: #639 loppyd

Good Morning Lizard Nation....

Finally a beautiful day on Boston's North Shore.

Hope the sun is also shining on all over Lizardom.

Say HI to LYNN and BEVERLY for me ,,, I miss them !

651 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:15:33am

re: #641 Kenneth
Good morning Kenneth! "I suppose we will hear from him when if he decides to get in touch.

As I learned with USMC 1968 on Sunday, not everyone feels like talking about their problems, ya know?

652 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:16:11am

re: #637 haakondahl

AND IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT! HECKUVA JOB THERE, BROWNIE! JAWJ BUSH DON'T CARE ABOUT MALA--... BANGLA--... [checks own crayon-screed on protest sign just to be sure] JAWJ BUSH DON'T CARE ABOUT MYANMARGAFARIANS! SUPERDOME MURDERS! BODIES FLOATING IN THE STREET! JAYWALKING!

*cycles round into pistol*

What's that, hippie?

*grin*

653 loppyd  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:16:23am

re: #650 sattv4u2

Say HI to LYNN and BEVERLY for me ,,, I miss them !

Not a problem as I live directly in between the two. LOL

654 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:16:25am

re: #640 LanceKates

Paid 230.00 for three tickets to Alison Kraus and Robert Plant. Less than 50 feet from the stage, but the first seats off of the floor. Didn't want the "standing concert wankers" to spoil my view, thus my concert.

Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Oh Boy!

June 2.

655 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:16:38am

re: #639 loppyd

{Loppy}

656 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:16:48am

re: #638 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Totally trust my guy. Unequivocally. Seen a ton of his work (really good), showed up when he said he would.

No money up-front. Reasonably priced.

I should have put a YMMV in there. Because there is a guy at our church that I will trust from now on, having seen one job (a breezeway roof repair) that was the result of a job I didn't attend (a tree removal).

However, that "joke" will forver be a warning sign to me. I work in the same group as a machine shop. The master tool & die maker there has always let me watch and ask questions.

657 hayseed  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:17:04am

re: #613 Kosh's Shadow

I'm a day late and a dollar short.lol

658 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:17:29am

re: #654 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Paid 230.00 for three tickets to Alison Kraus and Robert Plant. Less than 50 feet from the stage, but the first seats off of the floor. Didn't want the "standing concert wankers" to spoil my view, thus my concert.

Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Oh Boy!

June 2.


Yeah... between college and gasoline, I can't spend 100 bucks on a concert.

Even if it is Neil Diamond..

659 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:17:36am
660 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:17:55am

re: #639 loppyd {loppyd} Hey there good looking! It sure is a gorgeous day down here in Charlotte - though a tad cool (only up to 62 now!). How are you doing and how's your stepdad doing?

661 McJenny50  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:17:55am

re: #557 ploome hineni

Eisenhower knew pople would 'forget'

My uncle was one of those sent into one of the camps to photograph and document. He never talked about it so I don't know anything more than that. He was army.

662 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:18:15am

The spanish word for lizard is Lagarto.

663 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:18:42am

OT, but Israel National News says
Olmert Scandal Will "Shake The Country"

One interesting note:

Various reports have hinted that it concerns suspicions of illegal campaign donations or bribery from an American businessman.

Soros?

664 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:18:52am

re: #643 realwest

Course, y'all keep playing the [blech] Bee Gee's and all bets are off! LOL!

Don't make me get most Ots on yer ass.

The Bee Gees will be spun.
Whenever I damn well please.

:~}

665 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:19:06am

Glenn Beck:

Police in Chicago are outgunned. How can that be? You can't have a handgun in Chicago. Surely the criminals are armed with slingshots and tomatos.

666 sattv4u2  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:19:10am

re: #662 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The spanish word for lizard is Lagarto.

cool,,,,, what's the Spanish words for Fat Bastard Vegetarian ?

667 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:19:15am

re: #658 LanceKates

Big Concert is Ripping Us Off!

668 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:19:16am

re: #648 Cap'n DOC

I stumbled on this picture of a flag-stomping friend of Obamarama while looking for something else this AM. Anybody else seen it?

McCain should use that.

669 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:19:27am
670 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:19:52am

re: #667 OldLineTexan

Well, it is just a downer. I was excited to get to go, as I've never been within 5 hours drive of a Neil Diamond Concert.

671 Timbre  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:19:53am

re: #656 OldLineTexan

However, that "joke" will forver be a warning sign to me. I work in the same group as a machine shop. The master tool & die maker there has always let me watch and ask questions.

Tool and die makers and farmers--the backbone of civilization, imho.

672 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:20:02am
Philadelphia Muslims were outraged that the 3 bank robbers and cop killers on Saturday donned Muslim women's clothes.
The Muslim leaders said the robbers and cop killers put Muslim women in danger(?)
Philly.com reported:

Look at the pick..the one on the left has the head banging mark of a Muslim. [Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

673 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:20:04am

re: #668 Ward Cleaver

McCain should use that.

Only if Obama tells him that it's a legitimate issue first.

674 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:20:17am

re: #664 BabbaZee And will be IGNORED whenever I damn well please, which is gonna be ALL the time!
/buncha whiny sounding girly men.

675 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:20:23am
676 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:20:36am

re: #573 BabbaZee


Ever hearthis one?

Mich-Again posted it yesterday
hysterical

/many effs alert for those who do not dig profanity

Yeah, but the guy seems to have molested his daughter, so I can't really get into the sound of his voice. Monster.

677 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:20:49am

re: #661 McJenny50

My uncle was one of those sent into one of the camps to photograph and document. He never talked about it so I don't know anything more than that. He was army.

We used to have a book of pictures from the camps. My father was in the group that printed maps and photo recon, so they printed the books.
I don't know what happened to it.
I looked at it once when I was around 10. The images are haunting.

678 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:20:49am

re: #669 buzzsawmonkey

Democrats: The minority, even when in the Majority.

Republicans: We don't want to be responsible for stuff, so we'll just be in the minority and whine.

LanceKates: AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHH!

679 sattv4u2  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:21:16am

re: #665 LanceKates

Glenn Beck:

Police in Chicago are outgunned. How can that be? You can't have a handgun in Chicago. Surely the criminals are armed with slingshots and tomatos.

"when all guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have veggies"

nahhh,,,,,,,,,,doesn't have the same panache for a bumper sticker

680 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:21:18am

re: #648 Cap'n DOC

I stumbled on this picture of a flag-stomping friend of Obamarama while looking for something else this AM. Anybody else seen it?

I cannot read the fine print. Is there any way to blow it up?

681 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:21:20am
682 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:21:26am

re: #675 buzzsawmonkey

Maybe they should let the law abiding citizens (you know, the ones responsible enough to be armed...) to be armed.

683 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:21:28am
684 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:21:29am
685 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:21:30am

re: #666 sattv4u2

cool,,,,, what's the Spanish words for Fat Bastard Vegetarian ?

vegetariano bastardo gordo

686 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:21:55am

re: #672 storagemanager

Look at the pick..the one on the left has the head banging mark of a Muslim. [Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

That's head-rubbing, not head-banging. Please, that's offensive to head-bangers such as myself!

687 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:22:07am
688 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:22:13am

re: #658 LanceKates

Yeah... between college and gasoline, I can't spend 100 bucks on a concert.

Even if it is Neil Diamond..

Me neither. But, I have seen the Jewish Elvis.

Can't really afford it either, but I'd hate to say I had a chance to see Robert Plant live and didn't. Taking my son and daughter.

Looking at it as a once in a lifetime thing.

By the way Lance, did you ever read about a frog who dreamed of bein' a king
and then became one?

689 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:22:27am

re: #684 buzzsawmonkey

if I ever make a tribute band, that'll be the name.

690 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:22:44am

re: #576 LanceKates

When Rice took over as Sec State, I remember reading LOTS of blogs that said things so sexist and racist that I was sickened. Imus gets nearly blacklisted for cracking a joke that was distasteful, these guys were vicious.

I really think, despite the references to David Duke, that the majority of racism still exists on the left.

Exactly. The right has benefited from an examination of its soul on race, and developed a habit of getting rid of sh*theads, while the left has always believed that it is above these things. They don't feel the rocking of the waves because they are completely submerged.

691 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:22:45am

re: #649 Ward Cleaver

Hiya Ward.

I got some nice Bee Gees here for ya

MWAHAHAHAHA!

692 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:22:58am

re: #676 haakondahl

Yeah, but the guy seems to have molested his daughter, so I can't really get into the sound of his voice. Monster.

huh?

693 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:23:11am

re: #688 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By the way Lance, did you ever read about a frog who dreamed of bein' a king and then became one?

Nah, I'm not up on French History, why do you ask?

694 Kenneth  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:23:16am

re: #609 Silhouette

There is much more to it than simply wealth. Corruption & human evil play a bigger part. Iranians will tell you there's is a poor country. It isn't. They have oil, natural gas, extensive minerals and good agriculture. The problem is their political & economic system is structured to rob the people of the wealth that these things could bring. The mullahs own nearly everything.

The buildings collapsed because they were shoddily built by corrupt construction companies, owned by the mullahs, paying off corrupt building inspectors. Thousands of children were orphaned by the earthquake... do you want to know what happened to them? The were taken by "charities" run by the mullahs. These charities sold the children into slavery and prostitution.

It's not the lack of wealth that's the problem, it's the presence of evil.

695 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:23:22am

re: #661 McJenny50 As I mentioned in #620, if you're ever in D.C., PLEASE do yourself a favor and go to the Holocaust Museum - be prepared to spend many hours there and come out feeling not so good, but better for having gone there - if that makes any sense at all.

696 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:23:28am

re: #664 BabbaZee

LOL! You should check out Friday evenings in the Lizard Lounge. I usually spin, but sometimes we have dueling djs. :-)

697 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:23:41am

re: #688 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Me neither. But, I have seen the Jewish Elvis.

Melvis?


LOLOLOLOLOL!

698 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:23:44am

re: #670 LanceKates

Well, it is just a downer. I was excited to get to go, as I've never been within 5 hours drive of a Neil Diamond Concert.

Hell, it'll cost you more to drive than go to the concert!

699 BlueMag  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:24:02am

Good morning everyone, happy Cinco de Mayo, and Ward Cleaver, ya read my mind.

To answer others, I saw Iron Man this weekend. I loved it, and it was good. You could see an anti-war message in there if you want. There definitely was the message of being responsible for what you do, and what is done in your name. Which is reasonable. But Iron Man definitely wasn't afraid to use lethal force, either.

It definitely depends on the viewer. Me, I enjoyed it. And of course they left open many hooks for sequels, including a non-sequel/related hook after the credits end.

700 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:24:18am

re: #685 OldLineTexan

vegetariano bastardo gordo

Sweet.


DUDE!

701 sattv4u2  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:24:29am

re: #690 haakondahl

Exactly. The right has benefited from an examination of its soul on race, and developed a habit of getting rid of sh*theads, while the left has always believed that it is above these things. They don't feel the rocking of the waves because they are completely submerged.

good metaphor,,,, great line ,, ROTATING TITLE ?

702 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:24:32am

re: #698 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That was the good part, this was in okc. I'd be within 20 minutes of it. heh.

703 Kenneth  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:24:48am

re: #693 LanceKates

LOL!

704 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:24:52am

re: #696 Honorary Yooper

LOL! You should check out Friday evenings in the Lizard Lounge. I usually spin, but sometimes we have dueling djs. :-)

That lounge thingo eludes me
I tried to go in there a few times when it first opened
but it just is too different for my old ass, my eyes don't like it...
I cant keep up

705 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:24:56am

re: #695 realwest

As I mentioned in #620, if you're ever in D.C., PLEASE do yourself a favor and go to the Holocaust Museum - be prepared to spend many hours there and come out feeling not so good, but better for having gone there - if that makes any sense at all.

Saw it and cried.

Not a Jew.

706 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:25:27am

re: #688 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Me neither. But, I have seen the Jewish Elvis.

Can't really afford it either, but I'd hate to say I had a chance to see Robert Plant live and didn't. Taking my son and daughter.

Looking at it as a once in a lifetime thing.

By the way Lance, did you ever read about a frog who dreamed of bein' a king
and then became one?

Ribbit.

707 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:25:46am

re: #670 LanceKates

Well, it is just a downer. I was excited to get to go, as I've never been within 5 hours drive of a Neil Diamond Concert.

Wow, I'm old enough to remember when he first made it big.

708 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:25:51am

re: #706 MandyManners

Ribbit.

Heh.

709 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:25:56am

re: #687 rightside

Nice work!

710 Maximu§  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:26:08am

speed racer

Coming to theaters on Friday, courtesy of the Wachowski brothers (Matrix trilogy)

711 Kenneth  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:26:25am

re: #651 realwest

That's true. We'll hear from him if he wants.

712 Dolphin  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:26:44am

Late yesterday afternoon we received a last minute invite to go to the Roger Water’s concert last night. We did not go for various reasons, but reading some post’s on a local forum I am kind of glad...

One for example...

They put on one hell of a show last night but the blantant political banter kind of hit me. The flying pig with impeach Bush and the confetti with vote Obama was uncalled for.

713 bosforus  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:26:47am

What's black and white and red all over?

714 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:26:57am

re: #694 Kenneth

It's not the lack of wealth that's the problem, it's the presence of evil.

AMEN!

715 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:27:33am
Wouldn't these be the same sermons Obama claims he never heard?.....

Associates of Oprah Winfrey tell Newsweek that she stopped attending the controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr.'s Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago during the 1990s in part because of the tone of his sermons.

According to two sources, Winfrey was never comfortable with the tone of Wright's more incendiary sermons, which she knew had the power to damage her standing as America's favorite daytime talk-show host.


[Link: www.weaselzippers.net...]

716 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:27:37am

re: #707 Ward Cleaver

Wow, I'm old enough to remember when he first made it big.

Not trying to make enemies here; but I saw Neil Diamond in concert. Was completely pedestrian. Phoned in big as a mofo. And I am a big fan.

717 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:27:44am

re: #699 BlueMag

Good morning everyone, happy Cinco de Mayo, and Ward Cleaver, ya read my mind.

To answer others, I saw Iron Man this weekend. I loved it, and it was good. You could see an anti-war message in there if you want. There definitely was the message of being responsible for what you do, and what is done in your name. Which is reasonable. But Iron Man definitely wasn't afraid to use lethal force, either.

It definitely depends on the viewer. Me, I enjoyed it. And of course they left open many hooks for sequels, including a non-sequel/related hook after the credits end.

Unlike Christopher Reeve in Superman IV, Iron Man didn't try to disarm the world (including the US) in an orgy of moral relativism. He did, however, use lethal force against the enemy, and blew up caches of weapons that were illegally sold to the enemy.

718 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:27:48am

re: #713 bosforus

What's black and white and red all over?

It ain't the New York Times any more.

719 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:28:10am

re: #707 Ward Cleaver

I don't meet many my age who like him, but they just don't like him because he isn't new.

My generation is about as shallow as it gets, with far too few exceptions.

Fortunately, the exceptions tend to be related to many I find here, so perhaps good character is a requirement of depth.

720 sparrowlake  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:28:22am

So I leaf for a little while to do a little work to earn my celery, and then I go take a leek, and when I get bok I see the thread has become a vegetable thread.

721 bosforus  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:28:30am

The race for the democratic nomination.
[rimshot!]

722 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:28:34am

re: #688 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Me neither. But, I have seen the Jewish Elvis.

Can't
really afford it either, but I'd hate to say I had a chance to see
Robert Plant live and didn't. Taking my son and daughter.

Looking at it as a once in a lifetime thing.

I saw Plant open for The Who a few years ago. He was cool, but the crowd wasn't very into what he was playing.

723 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:28:41am

re: #642 ploome hineni

is it conceivable, that the systematic hunting for slaughter of the Jewish people, over 5 or so years

extending over a whole continent, including at least 15 sovereign nations

could have happened, in full view of the world

and that these people were denied asylum anywhere inthe world

could have happened

how is it that the Jews have been so hated?

/every so often the enormatiy of the Holocaust stuns me, as does the resurgance of antisemitism/antizionism as a reflection of the corruption and rot of Europe and their ethical and moral core

Ditto. Lemme dig up and post here a piece I wrote coupla years ago. (rustle, rummage...)

724 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:28:52am

re: #674 realwest

And will be IGNORED whenever I damn well please, which is gonna be ALL the time!
/buncha whiny sounding girly men.

You are speaking Whinese fluently there yer self

LOL!

/mad blog rabble
never satisfied~

{REAL}

725 hayseed  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:28:57am

re: #654 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Paid 230.00 for three tickets to Alison Kraus and Robert Plant. Less than 50 feet from the stage, but the first seats off of the floor. Didn't want the "standing concert wankers" to spoil my view, thus my concert.

Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Oh Boy!

June 2.

is her band Union Station backing her up?

726 Kenneth  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:29:08am

Lesbians versus Islam
Who wins?

An academic storm is brewing in Australia as Imams criticize "an Islamic studies course they claim is too sexually explicit, promotes lesbianism and derides the Koran as misogynistic ... The course includes excerpts from The Perfumed Garden by Sheik Nafzawi, a book on Arabian erotica written in the 16th century and translated into English in 1886 that has been likened to the Indian Kama Sutra." The course, which is being taught at the National Center of Excellence for Islamic Studies, is featured in three universities and funded by federal government money. If only the course were about the Bible instead of the Koran and the Kama Sutra it would have been closed down by now.

727 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:29:22am

re: #709 BabbaZee

Coming from you, that's quite a compliment!

728 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:29:26am
729 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:29:38am

re: #675 buzzsawmonkey
Hey !
Glad to see all are present!
Been veerrry Busy!
Check out the Jodie Foster flic ...
"The Brave One".
Slow starter but she gets "Ugly "on some trash ass
by the end!
I rate it a"8.5"!

730 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:30:00am

re: #710 Maximu%uFFFD

speed racer

Coming to theaters on Friday, courtesy of the Wachowski brothers (Matrix trilogy)

Yeah, it looks ... shiny. Not excited.

731 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:30:12am

re: #722 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I saw Plant open for The Who a few years ago. He was cool, but the crowd wasn't very into what he was playing.

Was that the "Honeydrippers" tour? Or later, old fogey-rehash tour.

This concert is new stuff that I have heard and LOVE!

732 bosforus  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:30:18am

re: #728 savage_nation

Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week.

733 Kenneth  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:30:21am

re: #715 storagemanager

Veeerrrry interesting!

734 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:30:33am

If your belief system is based upon what makes sense to you, what you find most gratifying and what best accommodates your own self concept --then you will undoubtedly fear intellectual inquiry. At best, your approach will be subjective and bribed.

However, when your faith is based not upon your subjective self, but because this is the reality of your inner soul, a truth to which it is intrinsically bound then you are not afraid to inquire.

There is no apprehension of being proven wrong, only certitude that you shall understand more.

Therefore, only true faith can be truly objective.
~ The Rebbe

735 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:30:36am

UCLA Prof, Harbinger

The Things I Do Not Know

I do not know why this article by UCLA literature professor Saree Makdisi hits me so hard. It hits me harder than most others which are just like it, and that is a large number, to be sure. Hatred of Jews is not in short supply these days, and articles like this one come frequently, and more frequently as time goes by.

He is not saying anything which hasn't been said before, or even recently, and he contributes nothing original to the current wave of Jew-Hatred. He is only harping on the same Neo-Nazi talking points which have made the rounds from Gaza and Jeddah to Paris and D.C. and back. The media closes the loop for this self-reinforcing putrid system of fevered beliefs, but this has not always been the case.

I do not know why the current round of Jew-Hatred has sprung up so quickly, or why it has done so now as opposed to some other time. I suppose it has to do with other global tensions, but this disease seems not to require a predicate. We might just as well pin it on the fictitious Man-Made Global Warming as on any other world syndrome--this is a phenomenon which occurs in lean times as well as fat, in peacetime as well as war, and in dictatorships as well as democracies.

It has been around as long as Jewry and Judaism have. "Anti-Semitism" is hardly a modern problem, and it does not need the 24-hr news cycle in order to spread. But that is its vector in the Western world these days. And as Jew Hatred has been around for as long as Jews have, it seems that only sometimes does it flare up, become malignant, metastasize. In our time, the media serve as gatekeepers, like it or not, of ideas admitted to the public discussion. But in this, the media re only a reflection of ourselves, of course. We are uneducated and proud, lazy and defiant, ignorant and smug, uncritical and unapologetic. We as a global society can no longer tell good sense from horseshit without somebody telling us which is which. And because the media reflect us, and because we follow the media, we have become lost. Nobody is minding the store.

Now all sorts of madness are discussed in reasonable terms, desperate battles of honorable men are debated and denigrated by cowards in places of respect, and piece by piece, each layer of our global civilization is eroded for want of maintenance, for want of defense, and exposes the layer beneath it.

The slippery slope does not lead away. It leads inward, and each time we fail to do the right thing, fail to take a risk for the sake of our way of life, fail to take a malcontent to task for disrupting the system which protects us all, we allow another of the million minor Satans to advance a step further down the slope, into our heart.

As a man goes, so goes his society. Seen individually, there are more pressing and more dire problems than "Anti-Semitism". Millions have died in North Korea, while a handful have died from Jew Hatred in the same period. Birthrates alone pose a far greater challenge to the longevity of Western Civilization than any particular ideology, no matter how malign. And in fact, the Earth may be getting hotter, say due to the Sun, and things may get quite unpleasant on this planet for every living thing.

But looking at problems individually is the recipe for failure. When humanity stops defending itself against suicidal ideas, Anti-Semitism is the vanguard. Whenever the Hatred of Jews becomes something otherwise rational people debate calmly, the entire world is in for a bad time.

I am not a Christian, or a Jew, or any other religion for that matter. I'm what you might call a "show-me" fundamentalist. But one thing my scientific outlook has shown me is that there is a Hell, it exists on Earth, it is created by man, and good people must fight evil or it will kill us all.

Using this article as a barometer, Hell is coming back.

And I don't know why.

736 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:30:39am

re: #680 MandyManners

I cannot read the fine print. Is there any way to blow it up?

Mandy, you can click on the picture to view it. Then, right-click on it, save it, then open it with XP's picture viewer. Then you can zoom in on the picture.

737 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:30:53am

re: #717 JamesTKirk

Unlike
Christopher Reeve in Superman IV, Iron Man didn't try to disarm the
world (including the US) in an orgy of moral relativism. He did,
however, use lethal force against the enemy, and blew up caches of weapons that were illegally sold to the enemy.

Superman IV? Nope, never heard of it...

738 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:31:16am

re: #737 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Superman IV? Nope, never heard of it...

Highlander II? What?

739 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:31:20am

re: #713 bosforus

What's black and white and red all over?

The New York Times being used to set a deer carcass on?

/About all it's good for. Maybe fish wrap too.

740 sattv4u2  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:31:22am

re: #730 JamesTKirk

Yeah, it looks ... shiny loud. Not excited.

fixed ,,,,,, and neither is my 13 year old son

741 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:31:30am

re: #700 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sweet.


DUDE!

Vegetarian Bastard Fat?
Pig latin?LOL

742 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:31:40am

re: #726 Kenneth

Lesbians versus Islam
Who wins?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

/the ghost of AI !

743 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:31:52am

re: #725 hayseed

is her band Union Station backing her up?

No. T-Bone Burnett's band. Put together. Alison sings some Zep stuff, Plant sings some AKUS stuff. Sheer genius.

744 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:31:57am
745 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:32:53am
Nine items that could be used to build a dirty bomb are missing from British hospitals, fuelling fears that Al Qaeda terrorists are trying to steal material to build a radioactive device.

The revelation comes as a new US State Department intelligence report highlights fears over terror suspects working in the NHS and reveals Britain has launched an urgent operation to track down all radiological material used in its hospitals.

A State Department counter-terrorism official said there was high-level “concern” in Washington about the large number of foreign-born workers in European hospitals with access to materials that could be made into a dirty bomb.

He added: “There is little doubt that eventually a dirty bomb made from radiological materials stolen from a hospital would be exploded.”

[Link: patdollard.com...]

746 Silhouette  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:32:55am

re: #694 Kenneth

Sowell boiled it down to one word, wealth, but I'm sure he understands the distinction of wealth in the hands of The People, and not the State. It's really a way of saying freedom and slavery, but in this case as it regards economies. A free economy (captialism) generates wealth, and a free people controlling their own lives and their own government see to it that the buildings they live in are secure, that helicopters fly, and hospitals are staffed with the world's best, etc.

747 Miss Trixie  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:33:04am

re: #621 savage_nation

They put those poor little grains in squashed conditions in silos! Oh, the horror!

My Cheerios scream like little girls each morning realizing their doom too late.

Not to mention the torture corn kernels experience as their little heads explode in the microwave to feed my imperialistic, fascist snack attack.

:D

748 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:33:09am

re: #726 Kenneth

Lesbians versus Islam
Who wins?

Lesbians are tough. They can really take a licking.

749 acwgusa  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:33:14am

Ugh. I have to go to the California Department of Misery and Victimization today, and pay $28 to renew my license, just so I get the "honor" of driving on Southern California roads.

750 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:33:33am

re: #736 Ward Cleaver

Mandy, you can click on the picture to view it. Then, right-click on it, save it, then open it with XP's picture viewer. Then you can zoom in on the picture.

I'm too lazy this morning.

*sigh*

751 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:33:51am

re: #737 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Superman IV? Nope, never heard of it...

Superman IV, The Quest For Peace. Richard Pryor.

752 opnion  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:34:06am

Upon liberating the Death Camps in World War 2, General Eisenhower orderedthat all possible photos be taken.
He did it to "Get it all on record now, get the films, get the witnesses, becasuse somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up & say that this never happened."
The UK has largely removed The Holocaust from curriculum so as not to offed Muslims.
When is the last time that you saw images of 9/11?

753 Maximu§  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:34:07am

re: #730 JamesTKirk

Yeah, it looks ... shiny. Not excited.

C'mon James, if the Wachowski brothers made it, you know its going to rock. I grew up watching Speed Racer. Its like Grand Prix (1966) on steriods.

754 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:34:16am

re: #731 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Was that the "Honeydrippers" tour? Or later, old fogey-rehash tour.

This concert is new stuff that I have heard and LOVE!

Don't know which tour it was. The Who had just lost John Entwhistle if that dates it. He played old stuff & songs that I hadn't heard before.

755 sattv4u2  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:34:17am

re: #750 MandyManners

I'm too lazy this morning.

*sigh*

fixed ,,,,, (and duckin' outta fear!)

756 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:34:28am

re: #692 BabbaZee

huh?

Tony Hendra.

757 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:34:41am
758 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:34:49am

re: #751 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Superman IV, The Quest For Peace. Richard Pryor.

Richard Pryor was in Superman III.

759 nyc redneck  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:34:49am

re: #642 ploome hineni

is it conceivable, that the systematic hunting for slaughter of the Jewish people, over 5 or so years

extending over a whole continent, including at least 15 sovereign nations

could have happened, in full view of the world

and that these people were denied asylum anywhere inthe world

could have happened

how is it that the Jews have been so hated?

/every so often the enormatiy of the Holocaust stuns me, as does the resurgance of antisemitism/antizionism as a reflection of the corruption and rot of Europe and their ethical and moral core

yes, it's impossible to understand that massive roll back of humanity during that time. i've read abt. countries turning back ships w/ jewish refugees. these were people who just barely got out of europe. and of course when they arrived back there it was to cattle cars carrying them to the death camps. horrifying. to think abt, that kind of bad timing for these unfortunate people.

anyway good morning everyone. it looks like a beautiful day here. i'm going to run out now and see if i can get that grass green purse i've been thinking abt.

760 Timbre  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:35:20am

re: #712 Dolphin

I sent an e-mail to the group looking for the pig, that it left to go see a real concert in Phoenix on May 1.

761 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:35:23am

re: #755 sattv4u2

fixed ,,,,, (and duckin' outta fear!)

*whack*

762 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:35:24am

re: #748 JamesTKirk

Lesbians are tough. They can really take a licking.

groan.

763 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:36:13am

re: #756 haakondahl

Tony Hendra.

Might be true
Might not be true

Men get falsely accused of this all the time
thank the shrinks for that

but I will look into it more

764 profitsbeard  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:36:15am

re: #726 Kenneth

Lesbians versus Islam
Who wins?

If they look at the Koran rightly, they'll lick it.

765 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:36:16am

re: #758 JamesTKirk

Richard Pryor was great. Such a shame what happened to him.

His stand-up was too vulgar for me though.

766 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:36:18am

re: #759 nyc redneck

yes, it's impossible to understand that massive roll back of humanity during that time. i've read abt. countries turning back ships w/ jewish refugees. these were people who just barely got out of europe. and of course when they arrived back there it was to cattle cars carrying them to the death camps. horrifying. to think abt, that kind of bad timing for these unfortunate people.

anyway good morning everyone. it looks like a beautiful day here. i'm going to run out now and see if i can get that grass green purse i've been thinking abt.

Our own country turned back a ship filled with Jews.

767 sattv4u2  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:36:23am

re: #762 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

groan.

yes ,,, I would imagine some do groan!


(duckin again ! )

768 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:36:24am

re: #753 Maximu§

C'mon James, if the Wachowski brothers made it, you know its going to rock.

The Matrix sequels say otherwise. I didn't bother with V for Vendetta.

I grew up watching Speed Racer.

I didn't.

769 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:36:27am

re: #758 JamesTKirk

Richard Pryor was in Superman III.

Oops. Dang. You're right. Second one was my favorite.

Kneel before Zod!

770 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:36:34am

re: #751 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Superman IV, The Quest For Peace. Richard Pryor.

I was only joking. I spent the last 15 years trying to block it out of my memory.

And Richard Pryor was in Superman III. Edgy black comedian & white-bread superhero. How could that not work?

The only good thing about Superman Returns was that they just pretended that Superman III & IV never happened.

771 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:37:03am

re: #710 Maximu%uFFFD

speed racer

Coming to theaters on Friday, courtesy of the Wachowski brothers (Matrix trilogy)



Will the family-friendly movie pack enough visual punch to keep adults from squirming in their seats when they take their kids to the theaters? That remains to be seen.

They call it "family-friendly", but even in the commercial you get a preview of a scene where Spritle and Chim-Chim surprise Speed as he's about to make out with Trixie. Not family-friendly in my book. And Susan Sarandon in it? Gah!

772 nyc redneck  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:37:10am

re: #766 MandyManners

Our own country turned back a ship filled with Jews.

i think cuba did too, after they took all their money

773 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:37:28am
774 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:37:28am

re: #739 Honorary Yooper

The New York Times being used to set a deer carcass on?

/About all it's good for. Maybe fish wrap too.

Dead fish would be offended.

775 Silhouette  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:37:38am

SUperman IV - Kryptonite Boogaloo

776 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:37:51am

re: #726 Kenneth


an Islamic studies course they claim is too sexually explicit, promotes lesbianism and derides the Koran as misogynistic

Win-Win.

777 UFO TOFU  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:38:09am

re: #757 BabbaZee
A friend of mine used to mix for them when they toured. Yet he never missed a Bee Bee's concert. Said they hired the best musicians available.

778 nyc redneck  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:38:54am

also, sorry to talk abt. something as insignificant as a green purse in that one post abt. humans being murdered. what is wrong w/ me. :(

779 Kenneth  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:39:18am

re: #735 haakondahl

The slippery slope does not lead away. It leads inward, and each time we fail to do the right thing, fail to take a risk for the sake of our way of life, fail to take a malcontent to task for disrupting the system which protects us all, we allow another of the million minor Satans to advance a step further down the slope, into our heart.

Great post! Have you got a link to the original article?

780 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:39:31am

re: #749 acwgusa

Ugh. I have to go to the California Department of Misery and Victimization today, and pay $28 to renew my license, just so I get the "honor" of driving on Southern California roads.

Here in Illinois we have a better ackronym for it:

SOS (Secretary of State)

781 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:39:34am

re: #771 Ward Cleaver

And Susan Sarandon in it? Gah!

I'm no longer capable of seeing Susan Sarandon on the big screen without screaming epithets and throwing things.

782 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:39:36am

re: #753 Maximu%uFFFD

C'mon James, if the Wachowski brothers made it, you know its going to rock. I grew up watching Speed Racer. Its like Grand Prix (1966) on steriods.

From the guys who ruined The Matrix...

And "Brothers" may no longer be an accurate description of the Wachowski siblings.

783 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:39:41am

re: #768 JamesTKirk

I liked V for Vendetta, looking past the anarchistic slant.

I just really like Agent Smith. heh.

And that you never actually see him.

784 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:39:54am

Haak:

Judith Hendra, who had an acrimonious divorce from Mr. Hendra in 1985 and is now remarried, initially said during an interview that she never suspected Jessica had been molested until she attended a therapy session with her 10 years ago. She called a reporter for The Times yesterday and said that this was untrue and that one night when her daughter was 10 or 11, Mr. Hendra told her he had taken a shower with Jessica and had her masturbate him.

The Jewdometer detects stink on both sides here

785 m  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:40:21am

re: #742 BabbaZee

HAHAHA! I was thinking the same thing! :D

{Babbalicious}!

BIG PERFUMED GARDENS ARE... YADA YADA

786 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:40:45am

re: #777 UFO TOFU

A friend of mine used to mix for them when they toured. Yet he never missed a Bee Bee's concert. Said they hired the best musicians available.

They were no pikers, their harmonies were great, their songwriting superior, like an Australian Beach Boys IMO

787 Kenneth  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:40:48am

re: #748 JamesTKirk

Are we going to have another Angry Vagina thread?

788 Bloodnok  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:41:03am

re: #756 haakondahl

Tony Hendra.

The same Tony Hendra that played Spinal Tap's manager? If it is true then (spit).

789 Silhouette  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:41:08am

re: #778 nyc redneck

also, sorry to talk abt. something as insignificant as a green purse in that one post abt. humans being murdered. what is wrong w/ me. :(

In a way, but in another it illustrates our victory over that particular evil in that we can worry about purses and what color to paint the kitchen. Life wins.

For now.

The battle continues.

790 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:41:11am

Saw Heart live.

Was so far away from the stage, that when Ann came out first and started playing(golden hair shimmering in the spotlights), I rose to my feet and whooped the whoop to end all whoops.

Then Ann and Nancy came out.

IT WAS A DUDE, MAN!

791 loppyd  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:41:20am

re: #655 BabbaZee

{Loppy}

{Babba}

Nice one....

792 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:41:31am

re: #785 m

HAHAHA! I was thinking the same thing! :D

{Babbalicious}!

BIG PERFUMED GARDENS ARE... YADA YADA

{m}

ROTFF!

793 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:41:56am

re: #683 ploome hineni
Yes. To both your comment and link. Have y'all ever been to the Museum in D.C.?
Among numerous exhibits, the one that sticks in my mind the most was one of the "Cattle Cars" that you could walk through or around. I walked through and haven't felt that cold ever before or since.
OTOH, I did a little good for the cause that first day we went - we were behind a group of D.C. High School students on a "field trip" - maybe 50 of 'em or so and they were joking, laughing and playing grab ass while their "teachers" were out on a smoke break.
So I said in a VERY LOUD VOICE "YES, that's what they did to the Jews and to the BLACKS". Suddenly the High School students (all of whom were black -well from the D.C. Public High schools so not unexepected) shut up. And one brave young woman worked up the nerve to come over and ask me what I meant when I said Jews and Blacks. SO I told her. By the time I finished ALL of the students were standing around listening with sorta dumbstruck looks on their faces.
I said the Nazi's hated Blacks only slightly less than they hated Jews and - fortuitously - we rounded a corner and there was an exhibit of Blacks who'd been enslaved (you could see the chains and all) by the Nazi's. To their enormous credit ALL the students went back to the beginning and slowy and almost reverently went through the exhibits.
Their teachers were not amused by me, however.
I had just made their jobs more difficult and so they gave me dirty looks until I said "Go ahead, take another smoke break, I'll be happy to TEACH YOUR students since you've been singularly incapable of teaching them anything relevent about the Holocaust."
At which point (I was toe to toe with the "head" Male teacher) my former ex-wife dragged me away.
And I didn't tell that story to make me look good, only to illustrate the ineptitude of many public High School teachers and the willingness of many high school students to study and learn about the Holocaust.
I'm telling all my friends - PLEASE GO TO THE HOLOCAUST MUSEUM in Washington D.C. if you possibly can get there.

794 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:42:05am

re: #787 Kenneth

Are we going to have another Angry Vagina thread?

No, this time I'm thinking outside the box.

795 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:42:14am

re: #790 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

whooped the whoop to end all whoops

That would make an excellent rotating title.

796 coz  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:42:26am

Good Morning and Happy Monday from the Land of Coz!

Long time no see ... hope everyone here is doing well!

797 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:42:31am

re: #788 Bloodnok

I am not so sure, see 784

/I have seen this shit pulled on innocent men before

798 loppyd  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:43:03am

re: #660 {realwest}

{loppyd} Hey there good looking! It sure is a gorgeous day down here in Charlotte - though a tad cool (only up to 62 now!). How are you doing and how's your stepdad doing?

Good Morning, Handsome.

Happy to hear you're having beautiful weather there....

My stepfather is getting stronger every day....my mom is shopping for a dreaded recliner for him for when he gets home. LOL

799 opnion  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:43:12am

re: #790 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Saw Heart live.

Was so far away from the stage, that when Ann came out first and started playing(golden hair shimmering in the spotlights), I rose to my feet and whooped the whoop to end all whoops.

Then Ann and Nancy came out.

IT WAS A DUDE, MAN!


Not that there's anything wrong with that

800 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:43:13am

re: #796 coz

Where you been? Got a new word of the day?

801 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:43:19am

re: #757 BabbaZee

Another favorite one of mine, upcheck for you!

802 loppyd  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:43:23am

re: #796 coz

Mornin' Cozzie!

803 Dolphin  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:43:25am

re: #733 Kenneth

Veeerrrry interesting!

Oprah just wants them for her own church.

804 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:43:39am

It was cold this weekend in Oklahoma.

Where's my global warming?!

Set the pool up anyway. ought to be ready for swimming in a month.. heh.

805 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:43:46am

re: #796 coz

Good Morning and Happy Monday from the Land of Coz!

Long time no see ... hope everyone here is doing well!

COZ!
Where you been brother?

806 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:43:51am

re: #794 JamesTKirk

No, this time I'm thinking outside the box.

Read his lips...

807 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:44:19am

Morning coz!

808 coz  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:44:28am

Here's some happy trivia for you all...

Our Lifetime in Numbers
Life expectancy – 78.5 years or 2,475,576,000 seconds
Words Spoken in Lifetime - 123,205,750
Friendships – 1,700
Baths – 7,163
Dreams – 104,390
Beef and Veal consumed – 4.5 cows per person
Chickens consumed – 1,201 per person
Potatoes consumed – 5130 pounds
Chocolate – 10,354 bars
Baked Beans – 845 cans
Farts – 35,815 liters of wind
Soap – 656 bars
Toothpaste – 276 tubes
Deodorant – 272 cans
Shampoo – 198 bottles
Beer – 10,351 pints
Wine – 1,694 bottles
Vomit produced – 149 liters
Sex – 4,239 times
Holidays - 59 trips

809 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:44:35am

re: #752 opnion

Upon liberating the Death Camps in World War 2, General Eisenhower orderedthat all possible photos be taken.
He did it to "Get it all on record now, get the films, get the witnesses, becasuse somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up & say that this never happened."
The UK has largely removed The Holocaust from curriculum so as not to offed Muslims.
When is the last time that you saw images of 9/11?

Well said.

810 UFO TOFU  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:44:38am

re: #793 realwest
Nice!

811 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:44:39am

re: #796 coz

Good Morning and Happy Monday from the Land of Coz!

Long time no see ... hope everyone here is doing well!

Holy crap! It's Coz!

How've you been?

How're the kidlets and wife?

How's the cd doing?

812 Timbre  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:44:47am

re: #790 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

C'mon, FBV, Nancy is as slim and lovely as ever. Yes, Ann gained a tad, but the talent of both is still there (saw them in Marksville, LA).

813 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:44:53am

re: #759 nyc redneck

There was also a lot of evil done after the war as well. You basically had two totalitarian regimes that killed Jews, Rom, and others. And then one of them set about trying to exterminate the people of the other after the war was over.

814 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:45:15am

re: #808 coz

Beef and Veal consumed – 4.5 cows per person

I'd like to think I'm ahead of the curve..

815 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:45:37am

re: #705 Fat Bastard Vegetarian Me too. And I was sorta prepared for what I saw by the ton of literature and photos we got for becoming Charter Members.
Still cried.

816 Maximu§  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:46:00am

re: #782 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

From the guys who ruined The Matrix...

And "Brothers" may no longer be an accurate description of the Wachowski siblings.

ruined? They gave it life and who else could do Speed Racer, but them? I love racing movies, ever since I saw Grand Prix with James Garner and this movie looks insane with 1500HP cars flipping and twisting on the tracks....

817 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:46:21am

re: #808 coz

Beef and Veal consumed – 4.5 cows per person

I call that "lunch".

818 coz  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:46:56am

And here's a 'word' for the day.

Word of the Day
Monday May 5, 2008

fustian FUHS-chuhn, noun:
1. A kind of coarse twilled cotton or cotton and linen stuff, including corduroy, velveteen, etc.
2. An inflated style of writing or speech; pompous or pretentious language.

adjective:
1. Made of fustian.
2. Pompous; ridiculously inflated; bombastic.

819 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:46:57am

re: #779 Kenneth

Great post! Have you got a link to the original article?

Thank you. Why yes, yes I do. It's my blog, The Revwatch. Haven';t posted in about a year, but I can feel something coming on...

820 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:47:04am

re: #793 realwest

I don't normally read what I call the "rediculously long posts". I am glad I read yours.

821 bosforus  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:47:52am

re: #814 LanceKates

I'd like to think I'm ahead of the curve..

Then you might enjoy this. Go to 1:55.

822 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:48:00am

re: #724 BabbaZee
Ah, redemption! LOL!

823 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:48:04am

re: #818 coz

And here's a 'word' for the day.

Word of the Day
Monday May 5, 2008

fustian FUHS-chuhn, noun:
1. A kind of coarse twilled cotton or cotton and linen stuff, including corduroy, velveteen, etc.
2. An inflated style of writing or speech; pompous or pretentious language.

adjective:
1. Made of fustian.
2. Pompous; ridiculously inflated; bombastic.

Jeremiah Wright is a fustian fuck.

824 bosforus  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:49:04am

re: #814 LanceKates

Oh wait, you don't get youtube at work do you? crap.

825 coz  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:49:20am

Hi all!

The new job keeps me from posting.

Plus I did have some health issues but all is well now!

Family is great!

CS has kind of tapered off but I'm still playing. I'll be performing at an art festival in downtown Davenport this weekend.

I'll try and visit more often ... miss you guys.

826 loppyd  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:49:21am

re: #752 opnion

Upon liberating the Death Camps in World War 2, General Eisenhower orderedthat all possible photos be taken.
He did it to "Get it all on record now, get the films, get the witnesses, becasuse somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up & say that this never happened."
The UK has largely removed The Holocaust from curriculum so as not to offed Muslims.
When is the last time that you saw images of 9/11?

Another reason I like Ike.

Why should Muslims be offended by the Holocaust? It had nothing to do with them. But they get offended by their own shadow so I guess it makes sense.

827 rightside  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:49:26am

re: #808 coz

Here's some happy trivia for you all...

Our Lifetime in Numbers
Sex – 4,239 times

Does that include with yourself?

828 Timbre  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:49:27am

re: #818 coz

And here's a 'word' for the day.

Word of the Day
Monday May 5, 2008

fustian FUHS-chuhn, noun:
1. A kind of coarse twilled cotton or cotton and linen stuff, including corduroy, velveteen, etc.
2. An inflated style of writing or speech; pompous or pretentious language.

adjective:
1. Made of fustian.
2. Pompous; ridiculously inflated; bombastic.

You should have had this one for May 1 and the "pompous, ridiculously inflated, bombastic events that are held that day.

829 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:49:46am

re: #784 BabbaZee

Haak:

The Jewdometer detects stink on both sides here

There's another article which was from the "Public Editor" of that time, which describes more of the method used to decide whether to print this or not. hering the reporter's side of it (in addition to what was p[ublished, and various other recollections, I believe the daughter.
I did see room for some of the "recovered memory" madness which swept the country, (she had been in therapy, etc) but there were other things which mitigated my concerns about her veracity. lemme see if I can find it.

830 Kenneth  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:49:46am

re: #746 Silhouette

That is true of Communism. But Iran is not Marxist. In the case of Iran, and much of the so called poor nations which are not Communist, the wealth and political power is concentrated in the hands of the few wealthy individuals. They won't share political power because that is key to controlling the wealth. And they won't share the wealth because it is their money which gives them political power. The Iranian state does not own the wealth & resources. A few powerful mullahs own nearly everything and they in turn control the state.

I would say democracy and freedom produce the greatest wealth, as every country that has become democratic also became wealthier.

831 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:49:57am

re: #815 realwest

Me too. And I was sorta prepared for what I saw by the ton of literature and photos we got for becoming Charter Members.
Still cried.

At the time the museum opened, my kid brother's wife worked for an airline and had free flight benefits. So, they flew to D.C. and toured it, on opening day. It made quite an impression on them.

832 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:50:05am

It's raining..maybe my grass will grow.

833 Bloodnok  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:50:18am

re: #797 BabbaZee

I am not so sure, see 784

/I have seen this shit pulled on innocent men before

That is true. I'm no expert in these cases but I recall Billy Preston had that label for awhile and it turned out there was more to the case than had previously been introduced to the eye.

834 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:50:21am

re: #821 bosforus

no youtube at work.

835 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:50:36am

re: #824 bosforus

lol.. nope. What was it?

836 m  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:50:45am

re: #792 {BabbaZee}

My theme song!

:D

lol

837 Miss Trixie  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:51:00am

realwest

I'm telling all my friends - PLEASE GO TO THE HOLOCAUST MUSEUM in Washington D.C. if you possibly can get there.

Oh, realwest. I saw it when I lived in VA and I agree with you - I have NEVER been that cold in my life nor have I ever wept so.

I met Peter Z. Malkin, who wrote Eichmann in My Hands, and was humbled.

Never again.

838 LanceKates  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:51:01am

re: #825 coz

we miss you too, bud.

839 m  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:51:32am

re: #796 coz

Good Morning and Happy Monday from the Land of Coz!

Long time no see ... hope everyone here is doing well!

{ { {COZMEISTER!} } }!eleventy!11!

840 realwest  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:51:53am

re: #766 MandyManners
" FDR Our own country turned back a ship filled with Jews.

841 haakondahl  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:52:05am

Babba, here's the piece.

842 bosforus  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:52:12am

re: #835 LanceKates

Ever seen aqua teen hunger force? It was master shake flash frying an entire cow that he injected with cheese.

843 hayseed  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:52:39am

only in Cincinnati can you have the Flying Pig Marathon

I wonder if any Muslims ran the race?

844 storagemanager  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:53:23am
BANGKOK, May 5 (AP) - (Kyodo)—More than 15,000 people have been killed in two divisions of Yangon and Ayeyawaddy in the violent cyclone storm Nargis that swept Myanmar's five divisions and states on last Friday and Saturday, Xinhua news agency reported Monday, quoting official sources.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

846 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:53:25am

re: #840 realwest

" FDR Our own country turned back a ship filled with Jews.

Same thing.

847 Silhouette  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:53:42am
The 5th of May is not Mexican Independence Day. Mexico declared its independence from mother Spain on midnight, the 15th of September, 1810.

So, why Cinco de Mayo? Because 4,000 Mexican soldiers smashed the French and traitor Mexican army of 8,000 at Puebla, Mexico, 100 miles east of Mexico City on the morning of May 5, 1862.

The French had landed in Mexico (along with Spanish and English troops) five months earlier on the pretext of collecting Mexican debts from the newly elected government of democratic President (and Indian) Benito Juarez. The English and Spanish quickly made deals and left. The French, however, had different ideas.

Under Emperor Napoleon III, who detested the United States, the French came to stay. They brought a Hapsburg prince with them to rule the new Mexican empire. His name was Maximilian; his wife, Carolota. Napoleon's French Army had not been defeated in 50 years, and it invaded Mexico with the finest modern equipment and with a newly reconstituted Foreign Legion.

Which we celebrate 150 years later by having a margarita.

848 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:53:44am

re: #825 coz

Well, it's good to see you in here anyway again, Coz.

849 Widow'smight  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:53:52am

re: #681 savage_nation

It has been said that Peace between the Israelis and Phakestinians will only happen when the Phakers love their children more than they hate Jews.

I think that's Bass-ackwards. It should be that Peace for Israel will happen when the Israeli Government/Elites Value their citizens far more than they value the Phakers.

After the IAF napalmed those Egyptian Armored columns retreating in the Sinai, the Egyptians got the message.

More Redneck, less intellectual.

850 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:53:55am
851 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:54:04am
852 abolitionist  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:54:11am

re: #680 MandyManners

I cannot read the fine print. Is there any way to blow it up?

Irfanview...

The group was dealing with the past with a kind of amnesia about violent actions. Bill Ayers recollected his adventurous violence with practiced jokes. "Guilty as hell, free as a bird, it's a great country," he said. He also said his three sons were incredulous to hear that Bill had burned his draft card to protest the Vietnam War. "Burned your credit card?" asked one little boy. "Man, I'm not that stupid," Bill said.
[below pic:]
Bill Ayers, August 2001, former Weatherman, stomps on U.S. flag. As a result of their friendship with Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert, Bill and Bernardine Dohrn raised Chera Boudin.

/possibly a wrong letter or 2 in there

853 BulgarWheat  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:54:17am

re: #843 hayseed

hayseed, very familiar with the race and the statues.

trivia: Cincinnati used to be called Porkopolis

854 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:54:28am

re: #842 bosforus

Ever seen aqua teen hunger force? It was master shake flash frying an entire cow that he injected with cheese.

Number One in da hood, G!

855 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:54:47am

re: #833 Bloodnok

That is true. I'm no expert in these cases but I recall Billy Preston had that label for awhile and it turned out there was more to the case than had previously been introduced to the eye.

They are using it as a conscious TACTIC now

Moonbat women are advised by moonbat lawyers to accuse men of this in divorce cases today frequently

Shrinks mine people for "recovered memories" that they implanted in the first damn place

The fact that he "came to Jesus"
and was only then accused and attacked

pegs my Stanometer

856 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:55:00am

re: #841 haakondahl

Babba, here's the piece.

thanks

857 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:55:31am

re: #847 Silhouette

Yep, and a French controlled Mexico would've been a pain in the ass to have while we had our own troubles with a Civil War.

858 BabbaZee  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:55:46am

re: #833 Bloodnok

BTW
boss spin as usual from you, Major.

859 MandyManners  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:56:03am

re: #852 abolitionist

/possibly a wrong letter or 2 in there

Thanks!

"Adventurous violence"?

860 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:56:24am

re: #847 Silhouette

Which we celebrate 150 years later by having a margarita.

Is there any place the French can't lose a war?

861 loppyd  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:56:36am

re: #855 BabbaZee


Moonbat women are advised by moonbat lawyers to accuse men of this in divorce cases today frequently

Please. Don't forget the all powerful and abused restraining order.

My blood pressure is already soaring today. LOL

862 Kenneth  Mon, May 5, 2008 7:56:39am

re: #793 realwest

Good for you! Well done!