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Relentless Anti-Israel Propaganda from Reuters

Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:20:55 am PST

Reuters can’t even stop churning out anti-Israel propaganda on Israel’s 60th birthday, with a stunningly dishonest account of the Arab war on Israel: Turning 60, Israelis feel pride, Palestinians pain.

For Shamali, it is time to mourn the Nakba, or “catastrophe,” when 700,000 Palestinians, his own family among them, fled in fear of Jewish attacks as violence mounted. ...

As violence on both sides killed thousands in the months after a U.N. decision in 1947 to partition Palestine into Jewish and Arab states, the Shamali family and their neighbors crammed into a truck bound further down the Mediterranean coast to Gaza, outside the zone designated to Jewish control.

“Violence on both sides?” This is utterly insane. The surrounding Arab states launched a war with genocidal intent against the newly declared state of Israel—there would have been no violence without the Arab war! But in Reuters’ twisted world, Israel is equally to blame.

Equally to blame, just for existing.

Disgusting. Reprehensible. Par for the course. They’re getting more bold and more open about it every day.

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1 Nevergiveup  5/06/08 9:21:43 am reply quote 0

PAR

2 MandyManners  5/06/08 9:22:16 am reply quote 15

REUTERS, YOU SUCK!

3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  5/06/08 9:23:13 am reply quote 0

par for the course with Reuters

4 bosforus  5/06/08 9:23:19 am reply quote 5

Palestinians can continue to feel pain for all I care.

5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  5/06/08 9:24:28 am reply quote 10
fled in fear of Jewish attacks as violence mounted. ...

Bullshit.

The Arabs told them to get out of the way so they would have an easier time killing the Israelis.

6 Ward Cleaver  5/06/08 9:25:05 am reply quote 7

To the Reuterian visiting, bite me.

7 The Other Les  5/06/08 9:26:21 am reply quote 2

Journalist = Liar.

8 Ward Cleaver  5/06/08 9:26:40 am reply quote 2

Reuters: All the lies that are fit to repeat.

9 pat  5/06/08 9:26:45 am reply quote 8

Rueters is written by and for anti-Semites.

10 buzzsawmonkey  5/06/08 9:28:28 am reply quote 15

Call Roto-Reuters, that's the name
And away goes history down the drain!

11 Nevergiveup  5/06/08 9:28:56 am reply quote 6

re: #9 pat

Rueters is written by and for anti-Semites.

Well it's an hitlerian job, but someone has to do it.

12 vxbush  5/06/08 9:29:19 am reply quote 0

Someone needs to take Nakita's Troll Hammer over to Reuter's headquarters and apply it. Liberally.

13 phil flavin  5/06/08 9:30:15 am reply quote 1

Hi Reuters!
(_X_)

14 Fo knee ix  5/06/08 9:31:04 am reply quote 1

OT

I'm watching the history channel on right now, and they're featuring a show on 'climate change.' Except the climate change they're talking about is global cooling. The scales may be tipping.

15 buzzsawmonkey  5/06/08 9:31:37 am reply quote 2

Nakba, Nakba!

Who's there?

Reuters!

Reuters who?

You really Reuters get your facts straight before writing stuff like this.

16 nikis-knight  5/06/08 9:31:49 am reply quote 4

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bullshit.

The Arabs told them to get out of the way so they would have an easier time killing the Israelis.

Bingo. And for that, they can rot for all I care; abandoning your countrymen so your kin can slaughter them easier! *spit*
Of course, that was 60 years ago, and those Arabs have rotted in camps--thanks to those same Arabs who launched the attacks, and then used the palestinians as political props ever since!

17 Thanos  5/06/08 9:32:29 am reply quote 1

The only semi-neutral piece they did on Israel's 60th was their "factbox". I refused to link these other stories ( and this is not the only one ) this am.

18 lawhawk  5/06/08 9:32:40 am reply quote 3
As violence on both sides killed thousands in the months after a U.N. decision in 1947 to partition Palestine into Jewish and Arab states, the Shamali family and their neighbors crammed into a truck bound further down the Mediterranean coast to Gaza, outside the zone designated to Jewish control.
The Arabs declared their intent to throw the Jews into the Sea. Jews in turn, prepared for the oncoming onslaught and only had to look at the 1929 Hebron massacre to see what the Arabs intended to do when given the chance.

That the Arabs refused to recognize the Partition plan meant that any 2-state solution was null and void in the eyes of the Jewish leadership, and therefore sought to consolidate as much territory from the Mandate Palestine as possible, including an attempt to claim a unified Jerusalem.

That effort failed, as the Israeli army couldn't hold onto the Jewish Quarter. Israel was able to unify Jerusalem in 1967 - and we're now watching Olmert doing everything imaginable to redivide the city and split Israeli territory won with the blood of Israeli patriots against Arab armies who sought Israel's annihilation.

19 The Other Les  5/06/08 9:32:44 am reply quote 4

Funny in a sick way.

[Link: timblair.net...]

20 yochanan  5/06/08 9:33:45 am reply quote 4

general sherman bergades

if we could kill all of routers propagandists we would get reports from hell in the morning. calls to gaza from hell are a local call.

21 akak  5/06/08 9:34:04 am reply quote 0

MSM Jihad Demonrats side by each

22 formercorpsman  5/06/08 9:34:24 am reply quote 0

re: #10 buzzsawmonkey

Buzz, check your mail.

23 bosforus  5/06/08 9:34:54 am reply quote 0

al reuters news anagram"
unreel wasters
neutral sewers

24 MAOZ (Middle-Aged Of Zion)  5/06/08 9:35:12 am reply quote 14

Well, of course we're to blame for surviving, for living, for breathing.

Happy Naqba, Jew-haters, and may you have many, many more!

25 BRUTUS  5/06/08 9:35:43 am reply quote 1

Charles,

Please also highlight

in fear of Jewish attacks

as it completely ignores (a) Israels urgint of Israeli Arabs to stay and to help to fight for their own homes, and (b) the unilateral and unprovoked retreat by many Israeli Arabs, possibly, Shamali" own family.

Also, I question the number of refugees, as some put as much lower than 700,000.

Also:

the Shamali family and their neighbors crammed into a truck bound further down the Mediterranean coast to Gaza, outside the zone designated to Jewish control.

I wonder how his family fared in 1999, just one year or so prior to the intafada when the PLO had 99% control of its own territories, including gaza.

26 buzzsawmonkey  5/06/08 9:36:13 am reply quote 0

re: #22 formercorpsman

Received; I'll check it a little later.

27 Diamond Bullet  5/06/08 9:36:18 am reply quote 5

Well, in the typical liberal mind, if you fire a gun at someone in self defense as they try to eradicate you from the earth, you and your target are both trapped in a "cycle of violence" and therefore violence is being committed on both sides. It's like how that sea turtle caused violence "on both sides" by daring to exercise its right of return to a beach that has always been Palestinian since the dawn of recorded history. It left the Palestinians no choice but to kick it and then cut its throat and feed it to their children as an aphrodisiac.

28 Opinionated  5/06/08 9:36:28 am reply quote 1

How is Reuters different from Condoleezza Rice?

29 Fasternu426  5/06/08 9:36:49 am reply quote 0

I build a lawn chair. I'm sitting there in my newly built lawn chair. Several neighbors come running up and start hitting me with sticks. I jump up and beat fend off. That would make me a bully......

30 bosforus  5/06/08 9:36:50 am reply quote 0

news slur eater

31 rboa  5/06/08 9:36:51 am reply quote -80

I am not following. In 1947 the UN takes away all Arab ownership of land in Israel and we do not expect the Arabs to be mad about it? This seems more like a fight over property rights.

32 Fasternu426  5/06/08 9:37:45 am reply quote 2

I build a lawn chair. I'm sitting there in my newly built lawn chair. Several neighbors come running up and start hitting me with sticks. I jump up and beat fend them off. That would make me a bully......

33 ploome hineni  5/06/08 9:38:04 am reply quote 11

re: #31 rboa

I am not following. In 1947 the UN takes away all Arab ownership of land in Israel and we do not expect the Arabs to be mad about it? This seems more like a fight over property rights.

arabs did not 'own' the land of ISrael

34 formercorpsman  5/06/08 9:39:10 am reply quote 0

re: #26 buzzsawmonkey

Sounds good.

35 ploome hineni  5/06/08 9:39:16 am reply quote 3

where to start with a poster like rboa

here rboa, a lesson in history

[Link: www.britishempire.co.uk...]

36 Athos  5/06/08 9:39:20 am reply quote 13

Isn't it interesting that any reference of the 700K so-called Palestinian refugees neglect to reference of 750K-800K Jews who were tossed out of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and other Arab nations when Israel came into existence?

This wasn't a case of a people fleeing under orders of their religious leaders to permit an Army unfettered access in order to commit genocide, this was a case of those state's governments and police seizing those people and their possessions and tossing those people, some of whom lived in those countries for generations, out simply because of their religion.

Imagine the Reuters driven frenzy if the victims were Muslim......oh, wait, we are seeing that frenzy on the fiction of Israeli 'aggression' to defend themselves from attempted genocide.

37 Jinx  5/06/08 9:39:43 am reply quote 22

Were there groups of Jews that threatened violence against the arabs? Yes (Stern gang). But as soon as the Haganah took command they eliminated those other groups and established an orderly defense. Those violent groups were quickly eliminated.

A lot of the Jews went and begged their arab neighbors to stay, printing it in papers, driving through the streets with bullhorns pleading. A select few arabs stayed. However, a lot fled because they believed their brethren in islam's promise to drive the Jews into the sea and they did not want to get in the way. But it was their land too. So instead of defending their land, they fled in the face of the arabic armies and cleared room for them to come in. They forfeited their rights to that land. And when the Jews kicked the holy hell out of their aggressive neighbors, what happened? The Jews understood that you never trust a traitor. The arabs understood it too. And while the new state of Israel was accepting and absorbing thousands of exiled Jews (many from arab states) the arabs refused to absorb the "palestinians" that gave way to the advancing arabic armies. That is the cause of the palestinian problem.

The Israelis fought for their land and won against superior numbers. They have repeatedly defended themselves against their agressive neighbors. They have earned the right to their land.

38 buzzsawmonkey  5/06/08 9:39:58 am reply quote 19

re: #31 rboa

I am not following. In 1947 the UN takes away all Arab ownership of land in Israel and we do not expect the Arabs to be mad about it? This seems more like a fight over property rights.

Where on earth did you read this? The UN did not take away any "Arab ownership of land" in Israel. It merely granted the Arabs and the Jews separate sovereignty over different parts of an area which had been promised to the Jews entirely by the League of Nations.

In other words, the Jews got less than they had been promised (and the smaller part of that); the Arabs got sovereignty which they rejected in favor of trying to murder the Jews.

The Arabs lost. Why are we supposed to cry over them?

39 The Other Les  5/06/08 9:40:39 am reply quote 1

Stephen King is a frakking idiot.

[Link: www.libertyfilmfestival.com...]

40 Honorary Yooper  5/06/08 9:40:59 am reply quote 0

re: #20 yochanan

general sherman bergades

if we could kill all of routers propagandists we would get reports from hell in the morning. calls to gaza from hell are a local call.

Ain't that the truth.

41 buzzsawmonkey  5/06/08 9:41:11 am reply quote 0

re: #34 formercorpsman

What program do I open it in?

42 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  5/06/08 9:41:13 am reply quote 11

re: #31 rboa

I am not following. In 1947 the UN takes away all Arab ownership of land in Israel and we do not expect the Arabs to be mad about it? This seems more like a fight over property rights.

It was not their land. Jewish groups had previously bought and cultivated large tracts of land and it had been owned by the Turks and then the Brits after WWI. Most of the Arabs in the region would be considered migrant workers who had left the region for centuries because they couldn't produce anything there and only returned once the Israelis had set up farms and towns.

43 Pater Coop  5/06/08 9:41:54 am reply quote 3

I was taught that the Arabs laughed at the Jews when they first arrived for wanting to settle in such inhospitable territory--that is, until the Jews irrigated the land and showed how valuable the land really was.

44 winston06  5/06/08 9:42:18 am reply quote 0

It's al-Reuters

45 pegcity  5/06/08 9:42:18 am reply quote 1

Well Rooters and Europe will cease to exist in 60 years so i guess its all fair

46 Jinx  5/06/08 9:42:44 am reply quote 2

re: #31 rboa

Your ignorance is showing.

The land that was "set apart" for the establisment of Israel was already owned by the Jews. The plan did not take away from the arabs in the first place. Only when Israel fought the aggressive attacking neighbors did they claim land--most of it of strategic importance.

47 Twilight  5/06/08 9:43:11 am reply quote 8

And what DID you expect from Reuters? Truth? History as it happened? Decency? Honest reporting?

Al Reuters got an agenda to sell and propaganda to distribute.
This article doesn't surprise me at all.

OT: Tomorrow is Israel's Memorial Day. My heart goes to the families of my fallen IDF brothers in arms. May it be God's will that the sacrifice of your loved ones wasn't vain!

48 Teacake!  5/06/08 9:44:05 am reply quote 1

#31 also to consider that Jews haven't held on to a grudge against Europe who flat out stole entire villages from the Jews of Europe who as you know fled, perished, escaped.... etc and thus the UN finally decided the time had come to stop stalling on the British mandate known as Palestine, in a tiny nutshell

49 Ben Hur  5/06/08 9:45:12 am reply quote 15

I'm getting the feeling that certain people aren't being taught that there has always been a Jewish population in Israel.

It wasn't as if there were no Jews there until after the Holocaust.

That's why the typical "born out of the ashes of the Holocaust" is a BS statement and flys in the face of history.

50 Kreuzueber Halbmond  5/06/08 9:45:33 am reply quote 12

re: #43 Pater Coop

I was taught that the Arabs laughed at the Jews when they first arrived for wanting to settle in such inhospitable territory--that is, until the Jews irrigated the land and showed how valuable the land really was.

The Jews did what the followers of Mohammed could never accomplish - they built something prosperous.

51 Ben Hur  5/06/08 9:45:37 am reply quote 4

re: #31 rboa

READ

52 buzzsawmonkey  5/06/08 9:45:51 am reply quote 17

re: #42 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It was not their land. Jewish groups had previously bought and cultivated large tracts of land and it had been owned by the Turks and then the Brits after WWI. Most of the Arabs in the region would be considered migrant workers who had left the region for centuries because they couldn't produce anything there and only returned once the Israelis had set up farms and towns.

Nobody took land away from the Arabs. Existing Arab titles to land in Israel remained good; e.g., friends of my parents, who were living in a house rented from an Arab who left in 1948, were not able to buy the house from him until the mid-1970s.

The property of Jews who had been living in the areas conquered by Egypt and Jordan in 1948 was expropriated by the Arabs; Jewish-owned houses in East Jerusalem, which had been majority-Jewish until the 1948 war, were stolen in this manner. Likewise, Jews living in other Arab countries, such as Iraq, Syria, and Egypt, who were expelled from those countries after the Arab defeat, had their property expropriated by those countries.

53 Teacake!  5/06/08 9:47:07 am reply quote 6

Also what #31 isn't getting is that muslims find that just one grain of sand in the ME that isn't controlled by muslims, is an intolerable insult to them.

54 Colin Nelson  5/06/08 9:47:11 am reply quote 1

The original UN report on the number of Pali refugees from the '47 Independence war was about 310,000.

The report was later revised to up the Arab refugee count to 710,000.

The current UN refugee number - ie those who claim the fantasy, "right of return", has now reached 4,400,000.

Seldom repoprted on or even acknowledged are the original approximately 800,000 Jews displaced from their homes in various Arab states during the Independence period.

Recently the sacred right to return has been expressed as a right to 'compensation'...

55 Ben Hur  5/06/08 9:47:26 am reply quote 4

I'll continue to trust my TAU degree and my former left leaning history professors from TAU before some Reuter's reporter and her historical book report.

56 MrSilverDragon  5/06/08 9:47:49 am reply quote 5

re: #31 rboa

I am not following. In 1947 the UN takes away all Arab ownership of land in Israel and we do not expect the Arabs to be mad about it? This seems more like a fight over property rights.

I am not one who often dings down, but this... I had to, because of the remarkable ignorance behind the comment. Either that, or the fact that this is trollbaiting.

57 chinesearithmetic  5/06/08 9:48:00 am reply quote 0

Am I having Dukakis flashback? No, that's Reuters in the tank?

58 yochanan  5/06/08 9:48:27 am reply quote 0

s.d.s. raided 100 students arrested any connection to the san d. bombing?

59 Ben Hur  5/06/08 9:49:18 am reply quote 0

I CAN'T SPELL ANYTHING RIGHT TODAY!

60 chinesearithmetic  5/06/08 9:49:46 am reply quote 2

This seems more like a fight over property rights

Hamas ain't Century 21.

61 Sabnen  5/06/08 9:49:48 am reply quote 6

Outnumbering their opponents 10 to 1, the Arabs thought they were going to have an easy victory. They were beaten badly and have had to live with the shame and humiliation ever since.

62 Twilight  5/06/08 9:49:56 am reply quote 1

re: #28 Opinionated

How is Reuters different from Condoleezza Rice?

Condi sits in State Department and makes policy.

63 buzzsawmonkey  5/06/08 9:49:59 am reply quote 2

re: #59 Ben Hur

I CAN'T SPELL ANYTHING RIGHT TODAY!

You mean you can't spell ennything right today.

64 itellu3times  5/06/08 9:50:02 am reply quote 0

Violence? Just how did that begin?
/come on al-reuters, tell us a story

65 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  5/06/08 9:51:04 am reply quote 0

re: #58 yochanan

s.d.s. raided 100 students arrested any connection to the san d. bombing?

Probably not. They closed down another courthouse here in San Diego this morning because of a bomb threat. No info on whether it was related or not yet or if they actually found a bomb

66 buzzsawmonkey  5/06/08 9:51:37 am reply quote 0

CRAP! I gave #31 an upding by mistake, instead of a downding.

Is my face red!

67 eff plus  5/06/08 9:51:44 am reply quote 2

I love how the UN labels (wrongly, in my view) not only the original 700,000 (or however many) arabs that moved “refugees,” but also ANYONE WHO IS A DECENDANT OF THEM. Like, huh? Perpetual, infinite pan-generational refugee status? Can you imagine if the UN applied this absurd standard universally? I guess that might make me a British refugee. Maybe I should start lobbing bombs into London demanding my “land” back. (And collecting a nice welfare check from the UN and Western world for doing so.)

68 Cygnus  5/06/08 9:51:59 am reply quote 0

re: #19 The Other Les

Funny in a sick way.

[Link: timblair.net...]

Yes, sick but still LOL. Shouldn't it be Al Gore giving them the trophy?

69 Killgore Trout  5/06/08 9:52:05 am reply quote 0

Palestinians are exhausted from welfare.....
yahoo pic

A Palestinian rests on sacks of flour received from the United Nations Works and Relief Agency

yahoo pic

A Palestinian rests next to sacks of flour received from the United Nations Works and Relief Agency

yahoo pic

A Palestinian youth sits on a sack of flour supplied by the UN Relief and Works Agency

To demonstrate the hard work that goes into receiving welfare; Fat kid pushes flour.

70 vxbush  5/06/08 9:52:25 am reply quote 0

re: #66 buzzsawmonkey

CRAP! I gave #31 an upding by mistake, instead of a downding.

Is my face red!

I wondered what was going on.

71 lawhawk  5/06/08 9:52:27 am reply quote 11

re: #31 rboa

I am not following. In 1947 the UN takes away all Arab ownership of land in Israel and we do not expect the Arabs to be mad about it? This seems more like a fight over property rights.

The UN decided on how to split up the British Mandate area of Palestine - land captured as a result of World War I and the breakup of the Ottoman Empire. Land in Palestine included Transjordan - which was broken off and includes modern day Jordan and the West Bank and "Palestine". Arabs and Jews both owned land, but the Arabs were pissed that Jews continued buying land at an accelerating rate and pressured the Brits to limit Jewish immigration to the region. That pressure increased after WWII and the Brits finally wanted to wash their hands of the problem and turned things over to the UN.

The UN decided the best plan was to partition "Palestine" into two components - an Arab one and a Jewish one - with Jerusalem divided between the two. The map of the partition plan resembles swiss cheese, and would have made the Jewish state completely indefensible. Everyone knew this - especially once the UN voted to approve the plan, so when the Arabs called for throwing the Jews into the sea, the Israeli army did what it could to create defensible borders.

The Arabs who lived on the land in question could have remained, but instead chose to flee at the behest of the Arab armies who promised to throw the Jews into the sea.

The Arabs, of course, failed miserably, and then continued to use the Palestinian refugee problem as a sledgehammer against Israel and as a continuing wedge issue. The Palestinians made no effort to resettle elsewhere either.

Of course, much of this is covered in Nekama's Troll Hammer.

72 Ben Hur  5/06/08 9:52:30 am reply quote 0

Up to 50% of Palistinians are the descendants of immigrant workers.

BBL

73 buzzsawmonkey  5/06/08 9:53:12 am reply quote 4

re: #70 vxbush

I wondered what was going on.

That's what comes of posting sober.

74 zmdavid  5/06/08 9:53:19 am reply quote 1

re: #39 The Other Les

Stephen King is a frakking idiot.

[Link: www.libertyfilmfestival.com...]

And he looks like Janet Reno.
Stephen King: If You Can’t Read ‘Then You’ve Got, the Army, Iraq’

75 EE  5/06/08 9:53:26 am reply quote 7

re: #31 rboa

I am not following. In 1947 the UN takes away all Arab ownership of land in Israel and we do not expect the Arabs to be mad about it? This seems more like a fight over property rights.

There was no change in private ownership of land at all that the UN did. Land was purchased privately by the Jewish National Fund from people that wanted to sell and make a good profit.
What the UN did, in the partition plan, was decide on how to apportion the land between a Jewish state and an Arab state, when the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine, which was held by Britain, expired at Britain's request.

This land was held for about 4 centuries by the Ottoman Turkish Empire, due to its conquests. When the Ottoman Turkish Empire joined World War I on the side of Germany, and was defeated in that war, its territories were divided up. Britain's General Allenby conquered that territory in WWI, and so Britain ruled that territory, under the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine.

Israel agreed to the partition plan, but the Arab Palestinians did not, and the Arab states around the territory did not. Instead, when the Mandate expired, and Israel proclaimed itself a sovereign state, the surrounding Arab states invaded Israel.

"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades." -- Arab League Sec. Gen. Azzam Pasha, May 15, 1948, the day 5 Arab armies invaded the new state of Israel.

The Ottoman Turkish Empire was a Turkish empire, not an Arab one, and it lost its territories by entering a war and losing that war -- World War I.

76 The Other Les  5/06/08 9:53:44 am reply quote 0

re: #68 Cygnus

Yes, sick but still LOL. Shouldn't it be Al Gore giving them the trophy?

Where would they find a Victorian era illustration of the Goricle?

77 MrSilverDragon  5/06/08 9:54:20 am reply quote 1

re: #73 buzzsawmonkey

That's what comes of posting sober.

LACK OF DRINKING IS RIPPING US OFF!

78 lawhawk  5/06/08 9:54:27 am reply quote 1

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Hey, but aren't they supposed to be going hungry and can't get food and stuff because the mean Israelis aren't letting in food shipments and restricting fuel shipments to Gaza? /

79 Athos  5/06/08 9:54:46 am reply quote 2

re: #61 Sabnen

Outnumbering their opponents 10 to 1, the Arabs thought they were going to have an easy victory. They were beaten badly and have had to live with the shame and humiliation ever since.

Speaking with Arabs from the region, one of the common threads of their 'justifications' is their shame and humiliation....except they don't admit that it came from losing every conventional war that they instigated and fought. They won't even admit it's from the shame and humiliation that the Jews came to this desolate region and turned it into a vibrant successful country. No, they say it's from the shame and humiliation of being 'occupied' in land that they themselves stole.

80 lawhawk  5/06/08 9:55:26 am reply quote 5

re: #31 -

Again, let's reference Nekama's Troll Hammer, which covers this situation nicely.

81 Cygnus  5/06/08 9:55:40 am reply quote 0

re: #39 The Other Les

Stephen King is a frakking idiot.

[Link: www.libertyfilmfestival.com...]

Stephen King, meet Randall Flagg.

82 ec marm  5/06/08 9:55:48 am reply quote 1

re: #66 buzzsawmonkey

CRAP! I gave #31 an upding by mistake, instead of a downding.

Is my face red!


I was going to ignore the troll, but I dinged it down on your behalf.

83 Athos  5/06/08 9:55:53 am reply quote 0

re: #66 buzzsawmonkey

CRAP! I gave #31 an upding by mistake, instead of a downding.

Is my face red!

No worries, there are enough down dings to reflect the cluelessness of the post.

84 transient  5/06/08 9:56:14 am reply quote 2

I am sick to death of the hatred and propaganda.

Ran across this today from Barry Rubin: it's regarding AP, not Reuters, but hard for me to tell the difference.

AP Explains to you Why Israel has No Right to Exist

[This] article encapsulates the way in which much of the world has turned from admiration to loathing of Israel, and the way in which Israel's destruction--which in other contexts would be seen as genocidal--has been justified.
...
Israel is allegedly an illegitimate country because it is founded on the theft of other's property and the suffering of other people.

This is the modern equivalent of the blood libel.... But...remember that its "secular" equivalent was responsible for even more anti-Semitic persecution. That was the idea that any Jewish prosperity was based on the blood-sucking of Christian peasants or of society at large.

In this case, Israel is said to have murdered, ethnically cleansed and otherwise persecuted the Palestinians. Therefore, nothing it does can be good, no achievement of itself counts, and it has no right to self-defense. Obviously, such claims are often greatly diluted but nonetheless rest on this basis.

Keep reading.

85 Charles  5/06/08 9:56:14 am reply quote 23

re: #31 rboa

I am not following. In 1947 the UN takes away all Arab ownership of land in Israel and we do not expect the Arabs to be mad about it? This seems more like a fight over property rights.

It's a really bad idea to spout off on this subject at LGF without knowing what you're talking about.

86 buzzsawmonkey  5/06/08 9:56:22 am reply quote 0

It appears that #31, having dropped its sh*t pellet, has left. At any rate, s/he has not responded to the ensuing 50 posts.

87 Cygnus  5/06/08 9:57:20 am reply quote 0

re: #59 Ben Hur

I CAN'T SPELL ANYTHING RIGHT TODAY!

You spelled that ok.

88 Kosh's Shadow  5/06/08 9:57:42 am reply quote 0

re: #12 vxbush

Someone needs to take Nakita's Troll Hammer over to Reuter's headquarters and apply it. Liberally.

It wouldn't work. You couldn't get the truth into their heads with a real hammer.

89 bosforus  5/06/08 9:57:47 am reply quote 0

re: #31 rboa

First time I've seen anyone get rated + or - by Charles. Heh.

90 buzzsawmonkey  5/06/08 9:57:47 am reply quote 1

re: #82 ec marm

Thank you!

re: #83 Athos

True, but a slip like that is so embarrassing. It's like one of those dreams where you take a test in your underwear.

91 Cygnus  5/06/08 9:57:54 am reply quote 4

re: #60 chinesearithmetic

This seems more like a fight over property rights

Hamas ain't Century 21.

They're Century 7.

92 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  5/06/08 9:58:11 am reply quote 1

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

It appears that #31, having dropped its sh*t pellet, has left. At any rate, s/he has not responded to the ensuing 50 posts.

There's a good chance its quivering in a fetal position sucking its thumb under its desk.

93 bosforus  5/06/08 9:58:15 am reply quote 0

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

It appears that #31, having dropped its sh*t pellet, has left. At any rate, s/he has not responded to the ensuing 50 posts.

Let's hope s/he is reading a book.

94 Athos  5/06/08 9:58:29 am reply quote 0

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

12 comments since the end of January - sure seems like a troll-by.

95 Killgore Trout  5/06/08 9:59:03 am reply quote 1

Pic of the day: Can I haz DaBang?

96 yochanan  5/06/08 9:59:25 am reply quote 1

General William T. Sherman Brigades, send a message the al routers will understand. let them join there jihadi friends in the 7th layer of hell. REPORTS TO FOLLOW.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

97 Kreuzueber Halbmond  5/06/08 9:59:57 am reply quote 0

rboa is doa.

98 bosforus  5/06/08 10:00:07 am reply quote 0

re: #95 Killgore Trout

Pic of the day: Can I haz DaBang?

I kind of wish he could.

99 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  5/06/08 10:00:13 am reply quote 4

re: #95 Killgore Trout

Pic of the day: Can I haz DaBang?

LOL

I thought they usualy strapped da bang onto their chest.

100 bosforus  5/06/08 10:00:37 am reply quote 0

re: #97 Kreuzueber Halbmond

rboa is doa.

One thing's for sure, s/he was no boar.

101 yma o hyd  5/06/08 10:00:49 am reply quote 3

re: #67 eff plus

I love how the UN labels (wrongly, in my view) not only the original 700,000 (or however many) arabs that moved “refugees,” but also ANYONE WHO IS A DECENDANT OF THEM. Like, huh? Perpetual, infinite pan-generational refugee status? Can you imagine if the UN applied this absurd standard universally? I guess that might make me a British refugee. Maybe I should start lobbing bombs into London demanding my “land” back. (And collecting a nice welfare check from the UN and Western world for doing so.)

Yeah - and just think, if all the Germans who fled before the Soviet Armies, and were chased out of old German counties, towns and cities after WWII were to ask for their properties and possessions back ... and for UN money to support them ...

Tiny, poor, threatened Israel took all the refugees in at a time when they had nothing to share except liberty and danger.

Devastated, occupied, cut in half Western Germany took in millions of their refugees, at a time when they had nothing to share except their shame and ruins.

Both countries managed it.

Arabia, with trillions of Oil revenues, can't - and the 'refugees' have still to rely on UN (that is, our taxes!) money.

102 buzzsawmonkey  5/06/08 10:01:06 am reply quote 1

re: #95 Killgore Trout

Pic of the day: Can I haz DaBang?

"Rocket material! Get 'cher homemade rocket raw material here! Priced to sell!"

103 Cygnus  5/06/08 10:01:13 am reply quote 2

re: #61 Sabnen

Outnumbering their opponents 10 to 1, the Arabs thought they were going to have an easy victory. They were beaten badly and have had to live with the shame and humiliation ever since.

1 + the LORD God is a overwhelming majority. Just like Gideon.

104 Twilight  5/06/08 10:01:34 am reply quote 2

re: #31 rboa

I am not following. In 1947 the UN takes away all Arab ownership of land in Israel and we do not expect the Arabs to be mad about it? This seems more like a fight over property rights.

Get your facts straight. The remaining part of the original British Palestine mandate was partitioned by the UN in 1947 equally for a Jewish and an Arab states. BOTH parts included land PURCHASED by Jews from Arabs with hard currency (starting in late 1800es). While the part intended for Israel consisted mostly from those purchased lands, Jewish owned land that was on the Arab side was to be given into Arab ownership without any compensation. The Arabs, for their part, refused this proposal and decided to take ALL of the land by FORCE OF ARMS (after they were paid quite handsomely for it earlier).

Result: the Arabs had been had by the Jews (Arab/Jew ratio 10 to 1). Jews took control over 60% of the overall mandate territory. Jews survived.

Charles got some good links with all the info about it. Read them.

105 humpty dumpty was pushed  5/06/08 10:01:44 am reply quote 5

Reuters folks should step out of their ideological vacuum and speak truth to liberal dogma. They do the Palis no favors by nurturing the violence/victimhood/chaos culture through moral equiv pieces like this. Hey Reuters, try suggesting that Palestinians reject violence and do something constructive for themselves - now that would be some avante-garde commentary. Villifying democratic Israel while kissing the ring of a wild-eyed death cult is so 1970s.

106 yochanan  5/06/08 10:02:44 am reply quote 2

re: #31 rboa

I am not following. In 1947 the UN takes away all Arab ownership of land in Israel and we do not expect the Arabs to be mad about it? This seems more like a fight over property rights.


STUPN TOUCKAS, your 60 years too late

107 adragonknowsbest  5/06/08 10:03:35 am reply quote 1

It is amazing how igonorant the general public is of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. I remember when I first took an interest in the middle east back in 2003. I had actually defended the Palestinians because I am always one to support the underdog. I remember seeing on the cover of Time magazine the Jenin "refugees" who had Israeli tanks demolishing their dwellings.

It is years later after much studying about the Balfour Doctrine, the Palestine Mandate and the history surrounding Israel's return in 1948 that I now understand that Israel truly is the underdog. A tiny nation the size of Delaware surrounded by hostile countries whom often teach their young to hate the Jews.

However, when I set out to learn the truth of the matter I had no biases or agendas to prove. I merely wanted to know the truth. However, it seems that many have their minds made up before they look at the matter.

108 transient  5/06/08 10:03:35 am reply quote 1

I applaud lawhawk and EE's endless patience in explaining the facts (for what must be the 500th time) to the ignorant.

109 Cygnus  5/06/08 10:03:36 am reply quote 0

re: #95 Killgore Trout

Pic of the day: Can I haz DaBang?

That one really deserves Photoshop. Put your own label on the container.

110 Cygnus  5/06/08 10:04:28 am reply quote 0

re: #99 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LOL

I thought they usualy strapped da bang onto their chest.

So they can get 72 da bangs in Paradise.

111 lawhawk  5/06/08 10:05:33 am reply quote 3

re: #108 transient

The easy way out is to point out that Nekama's Troll Hammer does all that and more (slices, dices, minces, rinses, and even crushes trolls) for the amazingly low introductory price of .... wait for it.... free!

112 irongrampa  5/06/08 10:06:18 am reply quote 0

One of the downsides of serving in the military was the knowledge that we were protecting the right of people like King to be as much of an asshole as nobody could stand.

113 savage_nation[deleted]  5/06/08 10:07:21 am 0
114 Honorary Yooper  5/06/08 10:08:17 am reply quote 0

re: #89 bosforus

First time I've seen anyone get rated + or - by Charles. Heh.

It's not the first time I've seen it.

115 Killgore Trout  5/06/08 10:08:18 am reply quote 0

re: #109 Cygnus

I also just noticed that not only is that guy fatter than me he's wearing a nicer shirt.

116 Peacekeeper  5/06/08 10:08:33 am reply quote 2

The Decade of the 1940's opened with Hitler on the march. It reached middle age with 6 million murdered Jews and scarcely two years further on the combined forces of five Arab nations can't dislodge, much less exterminate the survivors. That generation knew what they believed in and knew the consequences of failure. Now it seems that many have lost their way. It's pathetic thing not to be able to justify your own existence--to yourself.

117 MrSilverDragon  5/06/08 10:08:44 am reply quote 0