PAR

REUTERS, YOU SUCK!

par for the course with Reuters

Palestinians can continue to feel pain for all I care.

fled in fear of Jewish attacks as violence mounted. ...

Bullshit.

The Arabs told them to get out of the way so they would have an easier time killing the Israelis.

To the Reuterian visiting, bite me.

Journalist = Liar.

Reuters: All the lies that are fit to repeat.

Rueters is written by and for anti-Semites.

re: #9 pat

Rueters is written by and for anti-Semites.

Well it's an hitlerian job, but someone has to do it.

Someone needs to take Nakita's Troll Hammer over to Reuter's headquarters and apply it. Liberally.

Hi Reuters!
(_X_)

OT

I'm watching the history channel on right now, and they're featuring a show on 'climate change.' Except the climate change they're talking about is global cooling. The scales may be tipping.

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bullshit.

The Arabs told them to get out of the way so they would have an easier time killing the Israelis.

Bingo. And for that, they can rot for all I care; abandoning your countrymen so your kin can slaughter them easier! *spit*
Of course, that was 60 years ago, and those Arabs have rotted in camps--thanks to those same Arabs who launched the attacks, and then used the palestinians as political props ever since!

The only semi-neutral piece they did on Israel's 60th was their "factbox". I refused to link these other stories ( and this is not the only one ) this am.

As violence on both sides killed thousands in the months after a U.N. decision in 1947 to partition Palestine into Jewish and Arab states, the Shamali family and their neighbors crammed into a truck bound further down the Mediterranean coast to Gaza, outside the zone designated to Jewish control.

The Arabs declared their intent to throw the Jews into the Sea. Jews in turn, prepared for the oncoming onslaught and only had to look at the 1929 Hebron massacre to see what the Arabs intended to do when given the chance.

That the Arabs refused to recognize the Partition plan meant that any 2-state solution was null and void in the eyes of the Jewish leadership, and therefore sought to consolidate as much territory from the Mandate Palestine as possible, including an attempt to claim a unified Jerusalem.

That effort failed, as the Israeli army couldn't hold onto the Jewish Quarter. Israel was able to unify Jerusalem in 1967 - and we're now watching Olmert doing everything imaginable to redivide the city and split Israeli territory won with the blood of Israeli patriots against Arab armies who sought Israel's annihilation.

Funny in a sick way.

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general sherman bergades

if we could kill all of routers propagandists we would get reports from hell in the morning. calls to gaza from hell are a local call.

MSM Jihad Demonrats side by each

re: #10 buzzsawmonkey

Buzz, check your mail.

al reuters news anagram"
unreel wasters
neutral sewers

Well, of course we're to blame for surviving, for living, for breathing.

Happy Naqba, Jew-haters, and may you have many, many more!

Charles,

Please also highlight

in fear of Jewish attacks

as it completely ignores (a) Israels urgint of Israeli Arabs to stay and to help to fight for their own homes, and (b) the unilateral and unprovoked retreat by many Israeli Arabs, possibly, Shamali" own family.

Also, I question the number of refugees, as some put as much lower than 700,000.

Also:

the Shamali family and their neighbors crammed into a truck bound further down the Mediterranean coast to Gaza, outside the zone designated to Jewish control.

I wonder how his family fared in 1999, just one year or so prior to the intafada when the PLO had 99% control of its own territories, including gaza.

Well, in the typical liberal mind, if you fire a gun at someone in self defense as they try to eradicate you from the earth, you and your target are both trapped in a "cycle of violence" and therefore violence is being committed on both sides. It's like how that sea turtle caused violence "on both sides" by daring to exercise its right of return to a beach that has always been Palestinian since the dawn of recorded history. It left the Palestinians no choice but to kick it and then cut its throat and feed it to their children as an aphrodisiac.

How is Reuters different from Condoleezza Rice?

I build a lawn chair. I'm sitting there in my newly built lawn chair. Several neighbors come running up and start hitting me with sticks. I jump up and beat fend off. That would make me a bully......

news slur eater

I am not following. In 1947 the UN takes away all Arab ownership of land in Israel and we do not expect the Arabs to be mad about it? This seems more like a fight over property rights.

I build a lawn chair. I'm sitting there in my newly built lawn chair. Several neighbors come running up and start hitting me with sticks. I jump up and beat fend them off. That would make me a bully......

re: #26 buzzsawmonkey

Sounds good.

Isn't it interesting that any reference of the 700K so-called Palestinian refugees neglect to reference of 750K-800K Jews who were tossed out of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and other Arab nations when Israel came into existence?

This wasn't a case of a people fleeing under orders of their religious leaders to permit an Army unfettered access in order to commit genocide, this was a case of those state's governments and police seizing those people and their possessions and tossing those people, some of whom lived in those countries for generations, out simply because of their religion.

Imagine the Reuters driven frenzy if the victims were Muslim......oh, wait, we are seeing that frenzy on the fiction of Israeli 'aggression' to defend themselves from attempted genocide.

Were there groups of Jews that threatened violence against the arabs? Yes (Stern gang). But as soon as the Haganah took command they eliminated those other groups and established an orderly defense. Those violent groups were quickly eliminated.

A lot of the Jews went and begged their arab neighbors to stay, printing it in papers, driving through the streets with bullhorns pleading. A select few arabs stayed. However, a lot fled because they believed their brethren in islam's promise to drive the Jews into the sea and they did not want to get in the way. But it was their land too. So instead of defending their land, they fled in the face of the arabic armies and cleared room for them to come in. They forfeited their rights to that land. And when the Jews kicked the holy hell out of their aggressive neighbors, what happened? The Jews understood that you never trust a traitor. The arabs understood it too. And while the new state of Israel was accepting and absorbing thousands of exiled Jews (many from arab states) the arabs refused to absorb the "palestinians" that gave way to the advancing arabic armies. That is the cause of the palestinian problem.

The Israelis fought for their land and won against superior numbers. They have repeatedly defended themselves against their agressive neighbors. They have earned the right to their land.

Stephen King is a frakking idiot.

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re: #20 yochanan

general sherman bergades

if we could kill all of routers propagandists we would get reports from hell in the morning. calls to gaza from hell are a local call.

Ain't that the truth.

re: #31 rboa

I am not following. In 1947 the UN takes away all Arab ownership of land in Israel and we do not expect the Arabs to be mad about it? This seems more like a fight over property rights.

It was not their land. Jewish groups had previously bought and cultivated large tracts of land and it had been owned by the Turks and then the Brits after WWI. Most of the Arabs in the region would be considered migrant workers who had left the region for centuries because they couldn't produce anything there and only returned once the Israelis had set up farms and towns.

I was taught that the Arabs laughed at the Jews when they first arrived for wanting to settle in such inhospitable territory--that is, until the Jews irrigated the land and showed how valuable the land really was.

It's al-Reuters

Well Rooters and Europe will cease to exist in 60 years so i guess its all fair

re: #31 rboa

Your ignorance is showing.

The land that was "set apart" for the establisment of Israel was already owned by the Jews. The plan did not take away from the arabs in the first place. Only when Israel fought the aggressive attacking neighbors did they claim land--most of it of strategic importance.

And what DID you expect from Reuters? Truth? History as it happened? Decency? Honest reporting?

Al Reuters got an agenda to sell and propaganda to distribute.
This article doesn't surprise me at all.

OT: Tomorrow is Israel's Memorial Day. My heart goes to the families of my fallen IDF brothers in arms. May it be God's will that the sacrifice of your loved ones wasn't vain!

#31 also to consider that Jews haven't held on to a grudge against Europe who flat out stole entire villages from the Jews of Europe who as you know fled, perished, escaped.... etc and thus the UN finally decided the time had come to stop stalling on the British mandate known as Palestine, in a tiny nutshell

I'm getting the feeling that certain people aren't being taught that there has always been a Jewish population in Israel.

It wasn't as if there were no Jews there until after the Holocaust.

That's why the typical "born out of the ashes of the Holocaust" is a BS statement and flys in the face of history.

re: #43 Pater Coop

I was taught that the Arabs laughed at the Jews when they first arrived for wanting to settle in such inhospitable territory--that is, until the Jews irrigated the land and showed how valuable the land really was.

The Jews did what the followers of Mohammed could never accomplish - they built something prosperous.

re: #31 rboa

READ

Also what #31 isn't getting is that muslims find that just one grain of sand in the ME that isn't controlled by muslims, is an intolerable insult to them.

The original UN report on the number of Pali refugees from the '47 Independence war was about 310,000.

The report was later revised to up the Arab refugee count to 710,000.

The current UN refugee number - ie those who claim the fantasy, "right of return", has now reached 4,400,000.

Seldom repoprted on or even acknowledged are the original approximately 800,000 Jews displaced from their homes in various Arab states during the Independence period.

Recently the sacred right to return has been expressed as a right to 'compensation'...

I'll continue to trust my TAU degree and my former left leaning history professors from TAU before some Reuter's reporter and her historical book report.

re: #31 rboa

I am not following. In 1947 the UN takes away all Arab ownership of land in Israel and we do not expect the Arabs to be mad about it? This seems more like a fight over property rights.

I am not one who often dings down, but this... I had to, because of the remarkable ignorance behind the comment. Either that, or the fact that this is trollbaiting.

Am I having Dukakis flashback? No, that's Reuters in the tank?

s.d.s. raided 100 students arrested any connection to the san d. bombing?

I CAN'T SPELL ANYTHING RIGHT TODAY!

This seems more like a fight over property rights

Hamas ain't Century 21.

Outnumbering their opponents 10 to 1, the Arabs thought they were going to have an easy victory. They were beaten badly and have had to live with the shame and humiliation ever since.

re: #28 Opinionated

How is Reuters different from Condoleezza Rice?

Condi sits in State Department and makes policy.

Violence? Just how did that begin?
/come on al-reuters, tell us a story

re: #58 yochanan

s.d.s. raided 100 students arrested any connection to the san d. bombing?

Probably not. They closed down another courthouse here in San Diego this morning because of a bomb threat. No info on whether it was related or not yet or if they actually found a bomb

I love how the UN labels (wrongly, in my view) not only the original 700,000 (or however many) arabs that moved “refugees,” but also ANYONE WHO IS A DECENDANT OF THEM. Like, huh? Perpetual, infinite pan-generational refugee status? Can you imagine if the UN applied this absurd standard universally? I guess that might make me a British refugee. Maybe I should start lobbing bombs into London demanding my “land” back. (And collecting a nice welfare check from the UN and Western world for doing so.)

re: #19 The Other Les

Funny in a sick way.

[Link: timblair.net...]

Yes, sick but still LOL. Shouldn't it be Al Gore giving them the trophy?

Palestinians are exhausted from welfare.....
yahoo pic

A Palestinian rests on sacks of flour received from the United Nations Works and Relief Agency

yahoo pic

A Palestinian rests next to sacks of flour received from the United Nations Works and Relief Agency

yahoo pic

A Palestinian youth sits on a sack of flour supplied by the UN Relief and Works Agency

To demonstrate the hard work that goes into receiving welfare; Fat kid pushes flour.

re: #66 buzzsawmonkey

CRAP! I gave #31 an upding by mistake, instead of a downding.

Is my face red!

I wondered what was going on.

re: #31 rboa

I am not following. In 1947 the UN takes away all Arab ownership of land in Israel and we do not expect the Arabs to be mad about it? This seems more like a fight over property rights.

The UN decided on how to split up the British Mandate area of Palestine - land captured as a result of World War I and the breakup of the Ottoman Empire. Land in Palestine included Transjordan - which was broken off and includes modern day Jordan and the West Bank and "Palestine". Arabs and Jews both owned land, but the Arabs were pissed that Jews continued buying land at an accelerating rate and pressured the Brits to limit Jewish immigration to the region. That pressure increased after WWII and the Brits finally wanted to wash their hands of the problem and turned things over to the UN.

The UN decided the best plan was to partition "Palestine" into two components - an Arab one and a Jewish one - with Jerusalem divided between the two. The map of the partition plan resembles swiss cheese, and would have made the Jewish state completely indefensible. Everyone knew this - especially once the UN voted to approve the plan, so when the Arabs called for throwing the Jews into the sea, the Israeli army did what it could to create defensible borders.

The Arabs who lived on the land in question could have remained, but instead chose to flee at the behest of the Arab armies who promised to throw the Jews into the sea.

The Arabs, of course, failed miserably, and then continued to use the Palestinian refugee problem as a sledgehammer against Israel and as a continuing wedge issue. The Palestinians made no effort to resettle elsewhere either.

Of course, much of this is covered in Nekama's Troll Hammer.

Up to 50% of Palistinians are the descendants of immigrant workers.

BBL

re: #39 The Other Les

Stephen King is a frakking idiot.

[Link: www.libertyfilmfestival.com...]

And he looks like Janet Reno.
Stephen King: If You Can’t Read ‘Then You’ve Got, the Army, Iraq’

re: #31 rboa

I am not following. In 1947 the UN takes away all Arab ownership of land in Israel and we do not expect the Arabs to be mad about it? This seems more like a fight over property rights.

There was no change in private ownership of land at all that the UN did. Land was purchased privately by the Jewish National Fund from people that wanted to sell and make a good profit.
What the UN did, in the partition plan, was decide on how to apportion the land between a Jewish state and an Arab state, when the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine, which was held by Britain, expired at Britain's request.

This land was held for about 4 centuries by the Ottoman Turkish Empire, due to its conquests. When the Ottoman Turkish Empire joined World War I on the side of Germany, and was defeated in that war, its territories were divided up. Britain's General Allenby conquered that territory in WWI, and so Britain ruled that territory, under the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine.

Israel agreed to the partition plan, but the Arab Palestinians did not, and the Arab states around the territory did not. Instead, when the Mandate expired, and Israel proclaimed itself a sovereign state, the surrounding Arab states invaded Israel.

"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades." -- Arab League Sec. Gen. Azzam Pasha, May 15, 1948, the day 5 Arab armies invaded the new state of Israel.

The Ottoman Turkish Empire was a Turkish empire, not an Arab one, and it lost its territories by entering a war and losing that war -- World War I.

re: #68 Cygnus

Yes, sick but still LOL. Shouldn't it be Al Gore giving them the trophy?

Where would they find a Victorian era illustration of the Goricle?

re: #73 buzzsawmonkey

That's what comes of posting sober.

LACK OF DRINKING IS RIPPING US OFF!

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Hey, but aren't they supposed to be going hungry and can't get food and stuff because the mean Israelis aren't letting in food shipments and restricting fuel shipments to Gaza? /

re: #61 Sabnen

Outnumbering their opponents 10 to 1, the Arabs thought they were going to have an easy victory. They were beaten badly and have had to live with the shame and humiliation ever since.

Speaking with Arabs from the region, one of the common threads of their 'justifications' is their shame and humiliation....except they don't admit that it came from losing every conventional war that they instigated and fought. They won't even admit it's from the shame and humiliation that the Jews came to this desolate region and turned it into a vibrant successful country. No, they say it's from the shame and humiliation of being 'occupied' in land that they themselves stole.

re: #31 -

Again, let's reference Nekama's Troll Hammer, which covers this situation nicely.

re: #39 The Other Les

Stephen King is a frakking idiot.

[Link: www.libertyfilmfestival.com...]

Stephen King, meet Randall Flagg.

re: #66 buzzsawmonkey

CRAP! I gave #31 an upding by mistake, instead of a downding.

Is my face red!

I was going to ignore the troll, but I dinged it down on your behalf.

re: #66 buzzsawmonkey

CRAP! I gave #31 an upding by mistake, instead of a downding.

Is my face red!

No worries, there are enough down dings to reflect the cluelessness of the post.

I am sick to death of the hatred and propaganda.

Ran across this today from Barry Rubin: it's regarding AP, not Reuters, but hard for me to tell the difference.

AP Explains to you Why Israel has No Right to Exist

[This] article encapsulates the way in which much of the world has turned from admiration to loathing of Israel, and the way in which Israel's destruction--which in other contexts would be seen as genocidal--has been justified.
...
Israel is allegedly an illegitimate country because it is founded on the theft of other's property and the suffering of other people.

This is the modern equivalent of the blood libel.... But...remember that its "secular" equivalent was responsible for even more anti-Semitic persecution. That was the idea that any Jewish prosperity was based on the blood-sucking of Christian peasants or of society at large.

In this case, Israel is said to have murdered, ethnically cleansed and otherwise persecuted the Palestinians. Therefore, nothing it does can be good, no achievement of itself counts, and it has no right to self-defense. Obviously, such claims are often greatly diluted but nonetheless rest on this basis.

Keep reading.

re: #31 rboa

I am not following. In 1947 the UN takes away all Arab ownership of land in Israel and we do not expect the Arabs to be mad about it? This seems more like a fight over property rights.

It's a really bad idea to spout off on this subject at LGF without knowing what you're talking about.

re: #59 Ben Hur

I CAN'T SPELL ANYTHING RIGHT TODAY!

You spelled that ok.

re: #12 vxbush

Someone needs to take Nakita's Troll Hammer over to Reuter's headquarters and apply it. Liberally.

It wouldn't work. You couldn't get the truth into their heads with a real hammer.

re: #31 rboa

First time I've seen anyone get rated + or - by Charles. Heh.

re: #60 chinesearithmetic

This seems more like a fight over property rights

Hamas ain't Century 21.

They're Century 7.

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

It appears that #31, having dropped its sh*t pellet, has left. At any rate, s/he has not responded to the ensuing 50 posts.

There's a good chance its quivering in a fetal position sucking its thumb under its desk.

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

It appears that #31, having dropped its sh*t pellet, has left. At any rate, s/he has not responded to the ensuing 50 posts.

Let's hope s/he is reading a book.

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

12 comments since the end of January - sure seems like a troll-by.

Pic of the day: Can I haz DaBang?

General William T. Sherman Brigades, send a message the al routers will understand. let them join there jihadi friends in the 7th layer of hell. REPORTS TO FOLLOW.
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rboa is doa.

re: #95 Killgore Trout

Pic of the day: Can I haz DaBang?

I kind of wish he could.

re: #95 Killgore Trout

Pic of the day: Can I haz DaBang?

LOL

I thought they usualy strapped da bang onto their chest.

re: #97 Kreuzueber Halbmond

rboa is doa.

One thing's for sure, s/he was no boar.

re: #67 eff plus

I love how the UN labels (wrongly, in my view) not only the original 700,000 (or however many) arabs that moved “refugees,” but also ANYONE WHO IS A DECENDANT OF THEM. Like, huh? Perpetual, infinite pan-generational refugee status? Can you imagine if the UN applied this absurd standard universally? I guess that might make me a British refugee. Maybe I should start lobbing bombs into London demanding my “land” back. (And collecting a nice welfare check from the UN and Western world for doing so.)

Yeah - and just think, if all the Germans who fled before the Soviet Armies, and were chased out of old German counties, towns and cities after WWII were to ask for their properties and possessions back ... and for UN money to support them ...

Tiny, poor, threatened Israel took all the refugees in at a time when they had nothing to share except liberty and danger.

Devastated, occupied, cut in half Western Germany took in millions of their refugees, at a time when they had nothing to share except their shame and ruins.

Both countries managed it.

Arabia, with trillions of Oil revenues, can't - and the 'refugees' have still to rely on UN (that is, our taxes!) money.

re: #61 Sabnen

Outnumbering their opponents 10 to 1, the Arabs thought they were going to have an easy victory. They were beaten badly and have had to live with the shame and humiliation ever since.

1 + the LORD God is a overwhelming majority. Just like Gideon.

re: #31 rboa

I am not following. In 1947 the UN takes away all Arab ownership of land in Israel and we do not expect the Arabs to be mad about it? This seems more like a fight over property rights.

Get your facts straight. The remaining part of the original British Palestine mandate was partitioned by the UN in 1947 equally for a Jewish and an Arab states. BOTH parts included land PURCHASED by Jews from Arabs with hard currency (starting in late 1800es). While the part intended for Israel consisted mostly from those purchased lands, Jewish owned land that was on the Arab side was to be given into Arab ownership without any compensation. The Arabs, for their part, refused this proposal and decided to take ALL of the land by FORCE OF ARMS (after they were paid quite handsomely for it earlier).

Result: the Arabs had been had by the Jews (Arab/Jew ratio 10 to 1). Jews took control over 60% of the overall mandate territory. Jews survived.

Charles got some good links with all the info about it. Read them.

Reuters folks should step out of their ideological vacuum and speak truth to liberal dogma. They do the Palis no favors by nurturing the violence/victimhood/chaos culture through moral equiv pieces like this. Hey Reuters, try suggesting that Palestinians reject violence and do something constructive for themselves - now that would be some avante-garde commentary. Villifying democratic Israel while kissing the ring of a wild-eyed death cult is so 1970s.

re: #31 rboa

I am not following. In 1947 the UN takes away all Arab ownership of land in Israel and we do not expect the Arabs to be mad about it? This seems more like a fight over property rights.

STUPN TOUCKAS, your 60 years too late

It is amazing how igonorant the general public is of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. I remember when I first took an interest in the middle east back in 2003. I had actually defended the Palestinians because I am always one to support the underdog. I remember seeing on the cover of Time magazine the Jenin "refugees" who had Israeli tanks demolishing their dwellings.

It is years later after much studying about the Balfour Doctrine, the Palestine Mandate and the history surrounding Israel's return in 1948 that I now understand that Israel truly is the underdog. A tiny nation the size of Delaware surrounded by hostile countries whom often teach their young to hate the Jews.

However, when I set out to learn the truth of the matter I had no biases or agendas to prove. I merely wanted to know the truth. However, it seems that many have their minds made up before they look at the matter.

I applaud lawhawk and EE's endless patience in explaining the facts (for what must be the 500th time) to the ignorant.

re: #95 Killgore Trout

Pic of the day: Can I haz DaBang?

That one really deserves Photoshop. Put your own label on the container.

re: #99 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LOL

I thought they usualy strapped da bang onto their chest.

So they can get 72 da bangs in Paradise.

re: #108 transient

The easy way out is to point out that Nekama's Troll Hammer does all that and more (slices, dices, minces, rinses, and even crushes trolls) for the amazingly low introductory price of .... wait for it.... free!

One of the downsides of serving in the military was the knowledge that we were protecting the right of people like King to be as much of an asshole as nobody could stand.

re: #89 bosforus

First time I've seen anyone get rated + or - by Charles. Heh.

It's not the first time I've seen it.

re: #109 Cygnus

I also just noticed that not only is that guy fatter than me he's wearing a nicer shirt.

The Decade of the 1940's opened with Hitler on the march. It reached middle age with 6 million murdered Jews and scarcely two years further on the combined forces of five Arab nations can't dislodge, much less exterminate the survivors. That generation knew what they believed in and knew the consequences of failure. Now it seems that many have lost their way. It's pathetic thing not to be able to justify your own existence--to yourself.

re: #107 adragonknowsbest

By the way, love the nic... but I suppose I am somewhat biased...

re: #31 rboa

Dude, what most people are telling your facts are 100% wrong. If your facts are 100% wrong, your conclusion is meaningless.

The problem, you should be relieved to know, is that it is not your fault. That is why you sense the hostility that you sense. It is the fault of a media that prefers to peddle propaganda (search "paliwood") and pitch emotional David v Goliath than the fact filled truth, no matter how ugly. It is the fault of our western governments and their agencies governments who demonstrably to appear to be PC than to do the right thing.

Do your own research on the things you claim to be true, read actual documents rather than believe what others tell you they say, and base your words on researched facts rather than politically or religiously charged falsities, and no one here will ride you.

Their is no existential angst in the Arab community. This is something they get right.

re: #113 savage_nation

No. It dropped a turd and ran as fast as it could out of here.

rboa

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It hasn't been here long, and hasn't commented much either.

re: #111 lawhawk

So true. I lack patience (and equanimity) to stay On Watch, and I forget about the Troll Hammer when it's most wanted. Thanks to Charles again for maintaining this site, where Nekama and other Troll Hammers thrive!

re: #114 Honorary Yooper

It's not the first time I've seen it.

Well if you would stop talking about your VD's so much he wouldn't have to ding you so much. :)

I don't understand how they call where they went Gaza. Wasn't it Egypt at the time?

David beat Goliath. Imagine a modern David, unsure of himself, condemned by half his own people, standing there with that tiny rock in his hand.

re: #123 Mr Scientist

I don't understand how they call where they went Gaza. Wasn't it Egypt at the time?

It was Gaza, Egypt, as opposed to them calling it Gaza, Palestine like they do now

The Nakba is just the Arab word for their failure at completing the Final Solution.

Here's the great historical irony: if the Nakba had succeeded, had the Arabs won the war in 1948,... there would be no Israel and there would be no "Palestine". The land would have been carved up between Syria, Jordan & Egypt and the world would never have heard of the "Palestinians". Palestinian nationalism exists only because Israel exists.

re: #117 MrSilverDragon

I was born in the year of the dragon. Have a sleeping dragon tatoo on my back and would own a dragon for a pet if it were posssible. Maybe, one day a nice komodo dragon!

Anyhow good to meet ya fellow dragon.

re: #123 Mr Scientist

Gaza is a city on the Eastern Med and also represents the name of the strip of land that Israel didn't capture or retain as part of its 1948 war of Independence. It was part of Egypt at the time of the 1967 Six Day War, but when Egypt lost the war, they lost Gaza and the Sinai to Israel. Israel returned the Sinai to Egypt in the Camp David Accords, but couldn't give Gaza back to Egypt - they didn't want it.

So, Israel remained stuck with Gaza until 2005, when the Israelis unilaterally tossed it to the Palestinians. They've used it as a mortar and rocket war launching pad ever since.

re: #127 savage_nation

well, I was just trying to be nice.... did we scare it off?

Ya in Salt Lake yet, savage?

Could someone enlighten me as to why none of the Arab nations have come to the aid of the Palis, to help them build a state, as it were? If I have my facts straight, the Israelis have done more along these lines than anyone.

Did you hear about the Reuter's reporter who got mugged in a dark alley?
There was violence "on both sides" as the reporter's nose attacked the perp's fist.

re: #31 rboa

If you care to talk about ownership and deeds to a specific piece of land, it did not. Indeed Israelis that have been kicked out of or "encouraged to leave" have deeds to land in Islamic countries that are several times the land area of the present size of Israel. That Israel was no longer part of Dar al-Islam is not worth mentioning. That is a construct that exists only within the minds of Muslims. The deeds to the land that the Israelis bought were sold to them by their owners in the Ottoman Empire prior to WW 1 and similar after that. A large number of the "Palestinians" who left the area during the conflict were told to leave the area by the Arab government and were told that they could have all the land owned by the Jews after the Arabs killed them off.

If the Israelis had dealt with the Arab population in Gaza and the West Bank the way their Arab friends have, they would have had a forced exodus of all Muslims from the area. That they have not reflects well on Israel and poorly on the adjoining Arab countries.

That which Islam governs, it governs by virtue of the sword over the course of history. When you govern by virtue of the sword, your government may be terminated by virtue of the sword.

If I'm not mistaken, those Arabs that fled the war that the Arabs started were shunned by the neighboring Arab states that started the war in the first palce.

The palis are a spoon that Arab Governments use to bang on their highchairs. If Israel vanished at sunset they'd be up at sunrise bitching about wanting Spain back.

re: #123 Mr Scientist

To add/clarify to Lawhawk's #129, the Gaza Strip was to be part of the Arab Palestinian state under the 1947 Partition Plan. When the Arab nations attacked in '48, Egypt occupied the Gaza Strip (until '67, when Israel conquered it along with all of Sinai).

Don't hear much about that occupation (or Jordan's corresponding occupation of the West Bank at the same time), do you? Gazans were not given citizenship or allowed freedom of movement.

cheers guys

i just wasn't around at the time, and whilst it's now called gaza, I did not know whether anyone actually called that area gaza prior to 1967.

between 47-67 it would have been part of a larger area, and once the british left it was left to Egypt to administer in the same way jordan had control of west bank/judea and samaria

i was led to believe that maps before 67 would NOT have specifically called it gaza and thus assumed people also would never have referred to it as gaza. eg people living there did not want independence from egypt

re: #136 savage_nation

What do you mean 'legal'?

I`m quite a history buff, and at a local library I saw multi-volume set, "The [London] Times History of the War',WW1, for $20 and snapped it up. It was printed during WW1, back in the days when PC nonsense was unknown. Of interest, a chapter "The Jews in Palestine", which I`ve shown many people when they start talking about the poor Palis and "stolen land". And it has swayed some to think in different ways. A couple excerpts;

"During the following 18 centuries [after the Roman wars] it was the tragic destiny of the Jews to introduce one country after another to civilization, only to be driven out as soon as the native Gentiles had become capable of keeping their own house in order without Jewish assistance. When this stage was reached the Jew came to be regarded as a hateful intruder in the young nation`s field, economic jealousy was transmuted into the more savage passion of religious fanaticism, and the Jew had to wander on into another land, and start his tragic cycle again.".......

"At the outbreak of war, there were more than15,000 Jewish agriculturists in Palestine, distributed in over 40 settlements,......they owned already 110,000 acres, .....and vast uncultivated tracts lay waiting to be developed by them without any disturbance of the existing non-Jewish population.".........

Much,much more on the purchase of land from large Turkish (Ottoman) landowners, setting up of land banks and land development associations, etc., the point being in all this, there are way too many people that have no idea of how a great deal of Israel was bought and paid for, legally, by the settlers and have in their heads it was all taken away from the Arabs militarily.

re: #25 BRUTUS

Charles,

Please also highlight

in fear of Jewish attacks

as it completely ignores (a) Israels urgint of Israeli Arabs to stay and to help to fight for their own homes, and (b) the unilateral and unprovoked retreat by many Israeli Arabs, possibly, Shamali" own family.

Also, I question the number of refugees, as some put as much lower than 700,000.

Also:

the Shamali family and their neighbors crammed into a truck bound further down the Mediterranean coast to Gaza, outside the zone designated to Jewish control.

I wonder how his family fared in 1999, just one year or so prior to the intafada when the PLO had 99% control of its own territories, including gaza.

Sorry for that last part. My STUPID mistake.

re: #116 Peacekeeper

The Decade of the 1940's opened with Hitler on the march. It reached middle age with 6 million murdered Jews and scarcely two years further on the combined forces of five Arab nations can't dislodge, much less exterminate the survivors. That generation knew what they believed in and knew the consequences of failure. Now it seems that many have lost their way. It's pathetic thing not to be able to justify your own existence--to yourself.

This is definitely a Jewish disease. Someone needs to give Jewish liberals a giant dose of therapy, so that they will know that it's OK to be alive and OK to be successful. So much undeserved guilt feelings to get rid of.

JHW do you have any links to where copies of that can be purchased nowadays?

Time Magazine spins the lies too

Doubting the Evidence Against Iran

Accusations that Iran was shipping the things into Iraq grew louder as U.S. casualties from the weapon rose. But no concrete evidence has emerged in public that Iran was behind the weapons. U.S. officials have revealed no captured shipments of such devices and offered no other proof.

No evidence? Really? I googled "weapons intercepted from Iran" and came up with several such incidents offered as proof. Not just to Iraq, but also into Iran. In addition, hundreds of Iranian agents have been arrested and sometimes killed in firefights in Iraq.

Iranian arms intercepted at Iraqi border

Iranian-Made Weapons Intercepted In Afghanistan

re: #142 Promethea

We see the same thing in (especially) in Europe and America. An entire culture on the brink of being swept away.

Dore Gold has written an excellent history of Jerusalem from ancient times to the modern conflict entitled "The Fight For Jerusalem: Radical Islam, the West, and the Future of the Holy City".

As for Reuters's biased, anti-semitic description of the 1947-8 Israeli War of Independence, other commentators already have made the most important points: (1) Seven Arab armies attacked Israel from all sides, starting the war; (2) Arab refugees were urged to flee by the Arabs, not the Israelis; (3) land purchased by Jewish settlers that was overrun by the Arab armies never was returned, or paid for, by the occupying Arabs; (4) the Arab Legion was trained and equipped by the British, who seemed to have no problem with Arab extinction of the Jewish population of Palestine.

Reuters is following a grand old British tradition of rank anti-semitism. "Chariots of Fire", anyone? And why do the current Arab refugee camps continue to exist under U.N. "supervision", 60 years after their creation? Because it is in the interests of the current Arab powers to perpetuate the myth of Arab refugee "victimhood" to the gullible in the West.

re: #69 Killgore Trout

"A Palestinian youth carries sacks of flour supplied by the UN Relief and Works Agency, (UNRWA), outside a warehouse in the Shatie refugee camp, in Gaza City,Tuesday, May 6, 2008. The blockade has caused shortages of fuel, cement and other basic items and has deepened unemployment in the impoverished territory. Israel blames Hamas for holding up fuel supplies and causing an artificial crisis.
(AP Photo/Hatem Moussa)"

Yeah, basic items like rocket parts, propellant, and other things to shoot into school yards in Israel. This has caused deep unemployment among some members of Hamas who only know how to do that. Hard to make a rocket out of wheat flour and all you know...

re: #144 Kenneth

How many deaths from EFPs do they need to call it proof?

re: #131 irongrampa

Could someone enlighten me as to why none of the Arab nations have come to the aid of the Palis, to help them build a state, as it were? If I have my facts straight, the Israelis have done more along these lines than anyone.

The UN has sponsored the camps, the Palis were an expatriate labor force around the Arab world for many years - I'm not sure if that's as true anymore. Of course the official line was all good Moslems wanted the Jews dead and gone and then the Palis would go home. With $100 oil - going to $200 oil - I suppose the Saudis and friends could build up Gaza and the West Bank with their pocket change, but nooooo. Tells you more than you want to know about the entire Arab world.

re: #137 transient

Please also remember that Israel return Gaza and the Sinai to Egypt in the mid 50s after that altercation.

What the naqba is really about is the shame and humiliation of the Arab states losing the war so badly. They grieve and grovel in that humiliation every single year rather than move forward. It's a terribly acidic bile that is eating their states, their reason, and their religion from the inside out.

re: #149 BrianA

Seems as though 1 death would be adequate.

#91 They're Century 7.

I'm happy to lay the puck on your tape.

Wow. -35. That's a new record, I think.

re: #66 buzzsawmonkey

CRAP! I gave #31 an upding by mistake, instead of a downding.

Is my face red!

LOL! Seeing your lone name up there it's pretty hilarious.

re: #77 MrSilverDragon

LACK OF DRINKING IS RIPPING US OFF!

BIG SOBRIETY IS RIPPING US OFF!

re: #151 Shr_Nfr

Please also remember that Israel return Gaza and the Sinai to Egypt in the mid 50s after that altercation.

After 1974 war, courtesy of Camp David and Jimmah Carter.

re: #155 Charles

Wow. -35. That's a new record, I think.

I think you've just guaranteed at least -50 by saying that.

re: #143 Mr Scientist

No I dont, I`m missing a volume or 2, and I checked Abebooks with no luck. I think it was originally in a magazine type format, made up into over 20 volumes immediately after the war. I`ve seen it a few times even in tiny libraries, and can occasionally be found when they`re selling some of their old stuff to make room. It seems to have been very wide selling and popular right after WW1, even a lot of high schools carried a set.

re: #149 BrianA

The writer of the Time article claims the EFP's "could have been made in Iraq" & that there is no "proof" that they came from Iran. The problem with that argument is:

1. US & UK troops have intercepted load of EFPs being carried across the border.
2. The machining on the EFP's is similar, which means they were made in the same place.
3. Other Iranian made weapons have been captured, complete with manufacturing markings & dates clearly showing they came from Iran.
4. Sniper rifles sold by an Austrian company to Iran have turned up in Iraq.

re: #161 buzzsawmonkey

You can make it -37 if you would re-locate my "+" to the minus column where it was intended to go.

Please.

It's funnier the way it is, I say leave it.

Here's a London Times History of the War (WW1) for $50.:
[Link: www.alibris.com...]

re: #157 bunker buster

BIG SOBRIETY IS RIPPING US OFF!

Yours is much better. /nod and applaud.

re: #162 savage_nation

Commercial drivers under Federal law have to park the truck for a straight 10 hrs. If I start driving now and the Utah port of entry catches me, I get a nice 1200 dollar fine.

Isn't that only like a fill-up and a half of gas for you? :)

re: #161 buzzsawmonkey

You can make it -37 if you would re-locate my "+" to the minus column where it was intended to go.

Please.

What are you ,,, a Florida Voter that thought he was voting for John Effein sKerry and Diebold registered your vote for Bush?
A hanging chad for you, sir !

re: #152 Thanos,

Even France can defeat Arab armies. There is no more easily defeated people on the face of the earth. Their idea of a "smart bommb" is a 'Splodeydope, and their Idea of discipline is to scream like a banshee and swing a sword around their head.

Israel's problem is that she stopped too soon in her defeat of the Arabs, leaving survivors to fester in their impotence.

Can we all point and laugh at Buzzsaw, or do you think he will get too angry ?

:)

(Don't feel bad Buzzsaw, I've misclicked in a rush myself a few times.)

re: #155 Charles

I think it's a troll.

The Protocols of the Daily Kos

#97 rboa :: Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 5:15:05 pm
There is a bit of truth in the post. Being critical of Israel is a very bad move any politician (or forum poster).

re: #31 rboa

Arabs in the UN designated "Jewish" territories still maintained full rights to their property. It was the Arabs, by declaring war in Israel, who denied the Jews had a right to their property or to their lives.

re: #169 Iron Fist

/agree

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #173 savage_nation

In 3 weeks it might be. We are gearing up to pay close to 6 bucks a gallon by the end of the summer.

Nuts to that. I'm sorry.

re: #165 jaunte

Wow, thanks, I guess I picked up a bargain getting over 20 volumes for $20. The volume carrying the part about Palestine is number 14, in case anybody`s interested. Lots of good info in it to show people that have swallowed a lot of the modern propaganda about "innocent Palis", "stolen lands",etc, the date of publication and lack of an agenda at that time convince them to reconsider what they`ve been told in a way a modern publication might not.

I take a back seat to no one in my love for Israel, but we have to admit that the Israelis took the offensive in some times and places, and did, in fact, drive some Arabs across their frontiers. But they make it sound like the Holocaust, instead of that they had to move in with their cousins 15 miles away!

re: #101 yma o hyd

Yeah - and just think, if all the Germans who fled before the Soviet Armies, and were chased out of old German counties, towns and cities after WWII were to ask for their properties and possessions back ... and for UN money to support them ...

I've always wondered about this. Significant portions of Germany, especially East Prussia which had been German (Prussian) for centuries, were simply taken and assigned to the "new" Poland or annexed by the USSR (read about Konigsberg/Kaliningrad and the Kaliningrad Oblast). Ethnic Germans were not welcome to stay. Also, large portions of Poland were annexed by the USSR. This wasn't exactly a peaceful transition either.

I've never seen much hand-wringing over this though.

re: #159 bosforus

I think you've just guaranteed at least -50 by saying that.

It's already there. (-51 at this posting).

Back to Charles' original comment (then I have to go give an exam), this statement leapt out at me: "They’re getting more bold and more open about it every day."

That's the scary thing. I can remember a time when Anti-Semitism was whispered or, if spoken in anything like "polite" company was shrouded in jokes. In the world I grew up in, which was mostly Gentile, including large Polish and Lithuanian Catholic minorities, an open expression of hatred towards Jews or even just Israel would not stand in public.

Now it's become commonplace, and particularly commonplace among the elites and the politically active on the left. A sentiment which no thinking person with the slightest shred of decency would think is appropriate has now become fodder for late-night talk and the lecture halls of the "best" universities in the country.

The hatred of the Jews is the hatred of humanity, of justice, of liberty, and of God. Anyone who subscribes to it is evil. Period end of story.

I have to go now, but I am filled with anger and despair -- I don't honestly know what to do. The Evil has grown so large and has so much power.

Nie Wieder? But it already is happening again. I'm beginning to believe Hannah Arendt was right when she said that only on the moon is one safe from Anti-Semitism.

re: #169 Iron Fist

Seems like Israel does that quite often. Remember Saul? Nothing new there.

During the Six Day War, a lot of Israeli soldiers were still armed with bolt-action Mauser 98Ks converted to .308. Israel didn't get its own modern rifle, the Galil, until 1972.

Nevertheless, through sheer courage, they were able to not only hold off Egypt , Jordan and Syria, but defeat them.

Al-Reuters can go to hell.

re: #171 wrenchwench

I think it's a troll.

Fire up the grill!

re: #131 irongrampa

Could someone enlighten me as to why none of the Arab nations have come to the aid of the Palis, to help them build a state, as it were? If I have my facts straight, the Israelis have done more along these lines than anyone.

Because it gives the Arabs an excuse to blame Israel.

Funny thing if you do research on the NABKA, which I guess should mean: Allah's judgment against the infidel islamofascist arabs who tried to commit finish the genocide against the Chosen People started by the Nazis in WWII, that term was first used by Arabs, of Syriac origin referring to the British French splitting of Lebanon, Jordan and "Palestine" from Syria. Why the Nabka, because the indigenous arabs living in those countries all believed they were part of 'greater' Syria. So when the French and British split the 'Palestinians' in Palestine (then representing Jordan or Transjordan, and "Palestine" representing all lands west of the Jordan River to the Meditteranean Sea, but below Lebanon) the arabs in Palestine felt split off from their countrymen in Damascus and Lebanon. They held riots and demonstrations (an intifada) against the French and British to correct this mistreatment of Syrian Arabs in 'palestine'. Thus, this is a very intriguing situation where the fact of the origin of Nabka directly discredits the idea that at any relevant time there was any 'palestinian' national community or mindset in the arabs living in what is now Israel and the West Bank and Gaza, and that their ideation was solely of Syrian hegemony. It is also why the current crop make no demarcations of the states below Syria, because, still to them there would be no 'palestinian' state, it would become again part of 'greater' Syria, together with Lebanon, and then onward to Jordan.

I think this issue would actually be some kind of controversy if

A. Arab culture had a concept of Objective Truth and
B. Jews hadn't bought the damned land. With money. From Arabs.

re: #169 Iron Fist

I have a family member who escaped from Nazi Germany at age 14 to Palestine before WWII. He joined Haganah after fighting as a Jewish volunteer for the Brits in WWII. He fought in the 1948 war.

To say that the well-armed and well-equipped Arab armies were pushovers for Israeli soldiers who lacked arms and ammunition due to an international arms embargo, and often fought with rocks and knives, is to disparage the memories of those Israeli soldiers. The combat was vicious, bitter, and against long odds. The Arabs ran away, but only because of Israeli valor and ingenuity.

We have become so comfortable with the idea of Israeli military superiority that we have forgotten how desperate the 1948 War really was.

re: #171 wrenchwench

I think it's a troll.

I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but since he hasn't posted again, and apparently posts at kos, I'd say he's a troll.

At least he's a polite troll.

I think anti-semitism is becoming increasingly "normalized" because of the growing general disrespect for religion (except for Islam, of course) in society. We are increasingly in a post-Judeo/Christian West, whose elites and educators are attempting to delegitimize all religion (except for Islam, of course).

re: #180 Lucius Septimius

re: #166 MrSilverDragon

re: #166 MrSilverDragon

Very kind, thank you. Your idea, I just polished it a bit...

re: #183 Lucius Septimius

Fire up the grill!

Troll meat? YUCK!

re: #178 incanus

I've always wondered about this. Significant portions of Germany, especially East Prussia which had been German (Prussian) for centuries, were simply taken and assigned to the "new" Poland or annexed by the USSR (read about Konigsberg/Kaliningrad and the Kaliningrad Oblast). Ethnic Germans were not welcome to stay. Also, large portions of Poland were annexed by the USSR. This wasn't exactly a peaceful transition either.

I've never seen much hand-wringing over this though.

Well, part of that reason is that Russia pretty much controlled what went on there for over 40 years. The Russians also took land that was historically Polish and claimed it for what is now Belarus. The Wiki on it has some decent maps of the territorial changes.

The writer of the Time article claims the EFP's "could have been made in Iraq" & that there is no "proof" that they came from Iran.

Time' editor said: People trust us to make decisions. We're experts in what we do. So I thought, you know what, if we really feel strongly about something let's just say so.

re: #176 JHW

Wow, thanks, I guess I picked up a bargain getting over 20 volumes for $20. The volume carrying the part about Palestine is number 14, in case anybody`s interested..

yeah, £266 ($530) now! i'm gonna see if i can find it anywhere else.

seems gaza city has been around for ages, but the 'gaza strip' only after 67

at least the intial report didnt call it the gaza strip. (assuming they didn't just make the story up)

re: #194 Honorary Yooper

Well, part of that reason is that Russia pretty much controlled what went on there for over 40 years. The Russians also took land that was historically Polish and claimed it for what is now Belarus. The Wiki on it has some decent maps of the territorial changes.

Oh I've studied this extensively (big WWII buff, one of my favorite books is The Russo-German War which, among other things, reveals how clueless Hitler was to attack the Soviet Union. My point is, you never see people freaking out about all the displaced people in Eastern Europe after WWII. It's very sad that we let the USSR do this (and yes I understand why we did).

re: #152 Thanos

Thanos-this is exactly correct. The very existence of the State of Israel is the ultimate expression of Arab impotence-the dhimmi Jews redeemed their land, and there isn't a damned thing any Arab government or terror organization can do about it except continue to try and eliminate the Jews either one by one, by being human bombs or by war. Every second that goes by that Israel exists is the most painful reminder of the disolution of the Ummah-a humiliation beyond the capability of the Muslim world to ever get over. That is why there will never be "Israeli-Palestinian" peace-because the Muslim world can not fucking GET OVER IT.

re: #170 Thanos

I like to see people beg for "de-dingification" from Charles. LOLOL.

I think the birth of Islam is the real Nakba.

re: #182 Kalak

Al-Reuters can go to hell.

Expect sympathetic coverage of the other occupants.

re: #198 WriterMom

You hit the nail on the head WriterMom!

Welcome home!

re: #190 Pyrocles

I think anti-semitism is becoming increasingly "normalized" because of the growing general disrespect for religion (except for Islam, of course) in society. We are increasingly in a post-Judeo/Christian West, whose elites and educators are attempting to delegitimize all religion (except for Islam, of course).

Exactly so!
And while there may be a sort of gentle 'feeling' for Buddhism (think: Dalai Lama!), that is because that religion is not threatening or demanding. And it is 'far away'.

As for Islam ... I can't wait for the day the Western World becomes energy-independent and shows those 'kingdoms' that you can't eat the Qur'an, can't till the soil with brainwashed people who have relied on handouts all their lives, and that all their money was wasted when propagating their ROP ratehr than do something for their own people.

Not a Christian thought, i know, but I still say 'serves them right' when the time comes.

As violence on both sides killed thousands

There are those western liberals (and far righties) that if they were around when the death camps were being liberated in 1945 would say "we urge both sides to stop extermination policies".

re: #202 WriterMom

How was your trip? Glad to see you back.

re: #204 BulgarWheat

Hi BulgarWheat...thanks so much.

Good points on other displaced people at the end of WWll. You don't see polish refugees in 2007, launching attacks in the former USSR.

And Israel haters don't like to talk about how Jews have been cleansed from most of the mideast.

re: #207 yenta-fada

It was really nice...plus-there is a lunch on May 13th. Send me a note and I'll give you the details.

Ah, Reuters. Whatever would we do without you? Life would be so boring if we didn't have abject morons to pick on.

re: #179 Honorary Yooper

-61 at this time, and counting...

re: #171 WardCleaver

Or perhaps a truly misinformed and confused individual who might yet see the light?

Just my eternal hope for happy endings coming through...

re: #126 Kenneth

Actually, "Nakba" is Arabic for Whiny Sore Loosers.

re: #212 BlueMag

Bah, PIMF. #189 for Ward Cleaver, not 171. Teach me to multi-task in my commenting.

re: #213 WriterMom

Actually, "Nakba" is Arabic for Whiny Sore Losers.

Let's remember in the original mandate post collapse of the Ottoman Empire, 'Palestine' included land to the east and west of the Jordan River. The land to the east of the river was intended for the Arab - Transjordan now Jordan. 2/3rd of the Jordanian population is the same tribe as the so-called 'Palestinians' of today. The land west of the Jordan River was the Jewish homeland.

All of the subsequent efforts were nothing more than attempts to appease the Arabs - trading more land from the Jews to the Arabs in the failed effort to use weakness to promote peace.

re: #213 WriterMom

Actually, when you translate Nakba into English, you get 'putz'.

here's what scares me. i was in the car yesterday with a soldier who told me that while he thinks we ought to be in iraq, israel's mere presence is exerting too much influence on the surrounding arab states. we should be sensitive to that, he says. israel's very existence is anathema to them. why doesn't our government understand that?

he also called it a zionist entity.

is it any wonder that i was scared in the car?

this kind of attitude is rapidly becoming not only commonplace but required thinking for liberals.

terrifying.

re: #219 ploome hineni

texas.

re: #221 ploome hineni

depressing and nerve.shattering. i was shocked. zionist entity? really? the only times i hear that phrase used are on al-jazeera or coming out of farfour/nahoul/whatever-he-is-now's mouth. and this viewpoint is perfectly appropriate, or at least he felt it was appropriate - and that's the great victory of liberal academia, i guess.

Well, I dinged his ass up.

It was a good catalyst for venting the truth.

re: #223 Ben Hur

Exactly whose ass are you dinging up? No reference number.

re: #213 WriterMom

Hee, heeee, I love it!

:>)

re: #225 TalkinKamel

{KAMEL}

How are you?

re: #180 Lucius Septimius

I know what you mean.

Back in the supposedly oppressive, heartless, uncaring, tyrannical 50's, anti-semetism (and racism, at least in the circles my family and I moved in) was considered evil, and, what might be even more destructive to it, completely tacky, uncouth and unacceptable in polite society. Only crazed, fringe, racist types ever even hinted at the subject, and nobody took them seriously. Worse, they actually laughed at them, and ignored them. Gee, and the 50's were supposedly so bad. . .

It took the socialist 60's, with its glamorization of Arafat and terrorism to make anti-semetism openly acceptable, even cool.

re: #226 WriterMom

Times have been kinda crazy here, WriterMom, but we're all doing okay now! Hubby's going to run in the San Diego Rock 'n Roll Marathon. . .

{WriterMom!}

re: #195 chinesearithmetic
Remember, Time checks its sources out with Reuters ands Al-Jezeera!

re: #197 incanus
How do you feel about Alexander Werth's volume "Russia at War"?

Thanks LGF for helping me to understand why there was a kook-call-in-fest on cspan this morning. Israel's 60th birthday. That explains it.

re: #221 ploome hineni

Ploome, What isn't a threat to their religion? They'd feel threatened by the very fact that you and I merely breath. BTW, how did Passover go?

re: #198 WriterMom

Arab impotence

I thought that only happened if they shook hands with any kuffar.

So does "violence on both sides" mean the Arabs stared to shoot pali's since the couldn't bring down Israel?

No ,that cant be true. Every Arab is united with his Palestiniansbrother. I mean it not like they wouldn't treat them as equals after being "forced" from their homes by the evil joo's.

I'm sure they made the Palestinians full citizens of their host countries and afforded them every right like a good Muslim would. Its not like they would exploit their situation and stick them into camps or something.

/

Thankfully, there are blogs that have no bias when it comes to the Middle East conflict whatsoever.

re: #233 bunker buster

No-if they shake hands, or look at Zionist Hair Beams, it shrinks and falls off.

re: #230 grumpy old codger

How do you feel about Alexander Werth's volume "Russia at War"?

I have not read it, it's on my list though!

re: #235 justiceforall

GAZE Mode on!

re: #235 justiceforall
You are so predictable.

re: #236 WriterMom

No-if they shake hands, or look at Zionist Hair Beams, it shrinks and falls off.

Darn it, you're right. Looks like I need to go read my Eeeeevil Zionist Operative Manual and Field Guide™ again....

re: #206 Dave the.....

I know an elderly gentleman, forward observer for Patton's 3rd Army in WWII (and he survived!).

His story is that everyone knew we were going to battle against the Russians, and Patton wanted to do it right then and there in Eastern Europe in 1945. Eisenhower had other ideas...

He directed this gentleman's unit (still under Patton) southeast from his position into Austria. Familiar with the time and locale, I let him finish. He halted, choked up, and had to compose himself. "You can't believe what humans can do to each other," was his next sentence.

Seventy years after, he still teared up at the memory of his first encounter with a concentration camp.

re: #235 justiceforall

Thankfully, there are blogs that have no bias when it comes to the Middle East conflict whatsoever.

Which blogs are those? Links please.

re: #235 justiceforall

Thankfully, there are blogs that have no bias when it comes to the Middle East conflict whatsoever.

I'm dazzled by your sarcastic and clever moral equivalence argument.
/

/Does LGF support indented sarcs?

re: #41 buzzsawmonkey

Buzz, I am sorry for not responding earlier. (work is crazy)

It is a movie maker file.

Before uploading it to somewhere, I figured you should be the first to see it.

re: #235 justiceforall

Thankfully, there are blogs that have no bias when it comes to the Middle East conflict whatsoever.

Come on, out with it. You've been challenged, either respond, or expect to be tagged as a troll. (If you already haven't)

re: #246 ec marm

Trolly-troll-troll.

Happy 60th Israel!

I also use the 700,000 number - but as the number of Jews expelled from Arab countries after 1945. The number of Arab refugees after Israel's independence was under half a million, and that number may have been inflated by welfare cheats seeking a better life in the camps than they had as desert nomads or agricultural laborers under oppressive Arab landlords (the original backers of Arab terrorism, who were threatened by the fact that Jewish settlers paid Arabs better than they did, thus threatening their political hold over their Arab tenant-farmers.)

After the War of Independence ceased, over a quarter of the Arab refugees returned to their homes, as I detailed in my blog over two years ago: Jews Stole Land? Response to Hareega.

re: #180 Lucius Septimius

The hatred of the Jews is the hatred of humanity, of justice, of liberty, and of God. Anyone who subscribes to it is evil. Period end of story.

I don't know if this comment will be read, or if this is already a dead thread, but I must disagree with you. I've known educated people, in the ivory tower their entire lives, who simply didn't have a chance. From day one (private school) they were fed the other version -- the one not on the side of the facts -- and then they used their great reasoning abilities to come to the obvious conclusions. In one case I knew well, the bait on the hook was an appeal to human decency, standing up for the oppressed, that sort of thing.

Garbage in, garbage out. Soft hearts and soft heads do not make a good combination.

I've just (mostly) watched a programme about a Polish jewish family (parents and 2 girls) who against all odds survived. The father (Polish army) disappeared in Hungary but was finally saved from Auschwitz (because he could play chess) by a German army officer who risked his life to save him until the officer was sent to the Russian front almost at the end of the war. The girls survived because their mother was very smart and saw which way things were going. She kept them alive in the Warsaw ghetto and managed to smuggle them out to families who risked their lives to hide them before sending them onto a Catholic convent. The nuns decided to save children from the Nazis and as they had orphanages around Poland they could hide them. They kept the children safe until the end of the war when their father found them. Their mother was sent to Ravensbruch (?sp) in the end and was saved by its liberation. She too eventually arrived at the convent. After a short time together the Russians were taking over Poland and so the parents persuaded a British rabbi to take the girls back to Britain. Despite the long interruptions to their schooling both girls finished university. Their parents were stuck behind the iron curtain until the late 60's when the father died and their mother was allowed to come to Britain. She died 2 years later, aged 60.
One daughter was married in France and lives there, the other married and lived in Britain for a time, but today lives in New York as a successful dentist. She is still working and in her 70's.

Both women said that they survived with a lot of luck, their mothers care, the care of people who risked their lives and the lives of their families by hiding them and to the nuns.

One of them said that her mother had a very unhappy life, one of sacrifice but then she said something like you can't go through life being a victim/ feeling like a victim (something like that).

This is the difference between the Jews and the Arabs.

I would like to say that Reuters have no shame, no perspective, no respect for the search for truth and so ultimately no integrity.
What I really think of them is unprintable.

re: #18 lawhawk

Thank you!

ENOUGH of this revisionist B/S! Its up to ALL of us to shed the bright, searing light of truth on entities LIKE Reuters who continuously attempt to rewrite history and white wash exactly what happened in 1948. I fear we're fighting a losing battle my friends.

re: #254 Tazzerman

In 1948, weren't the british still sending arabs to walk thru minefields?

re: #255 alkmyst

I will NEVER defend the Brits and their role in the creation of Israel. It was during this period that they showed their true colors for all to see.

re: #256 Tazzerman

Zactly.

I have yet to figure out why we still use their laws...

My, how things have changed since this article by Martha Gellhorn was published in the October 1961 issue of Atlantic Monthly, which you should all read. But then PC and self-loathing hadn't been invented 47 years ago.

[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

And here's a telling politically-incorrect extract from that piece:

WE WENT to pay the required visite de politesse to the camp leader. Every camp leader acts as an appointed village mayor; he has to keep the place running, serve as liaison officer with UNRWA local headquarters, and handle the complaints of his own people. Sitting in his neat office, with my guide, the principal of the school (a former member of the Palestinian police), and the camp leader, I listened to the first of what became an almost daily Mad Hatter conversation.

Now just imagine if the MSM of today described the lies Arabs came out with as "Mad Hatter conversation".

re: #235 justiceforall

Er, which one were you thinking of?

(I'm tempted to say, "Stormfront", but that would be mean. I'll just GAZE.)

re: #250 ploome hineni

I really am geting the nasty feeling it's the kind of opinion expressed at "Stormfront."

We're dealing with Modern Liberals, who tear down everything that is good, successful and right while elevating what is evil, failed and wrong so there is nothing left to fight over. When they use the word "peace", this is what they mean. It doesn't mean "no war", it means "no nothing" - it's a nothingness. This is why they do everything that they do - from pushing abortion, being against the war, against drilling for oil, against better schools, for socialized healthcare, etc.

I urge everyone to watch the video "HOW MODERN LIBERALS THINK" by Evan Sayet. I've watched parts of it many times. You'll need some quiet time so turn off the phone, etc. As I said, it's phenomenal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

Enjoy!

re: #250 ploome hineni

Not opinion. But listing of facts.

re: #250 ploome hineni

I mean, do you believe that blogs such as this, which believe that mainstream news organizations with correspondents in the Middle East are biased against Israel, report on the events in the Middle East in a balanced way that is without bias?

Or do you believe that LGF is biased in favor of Israel? By the way, I think it is perfectly fine for a blog or publication to be biased in favor of Israel as long as it saying that what is is putting forth is opinion on the matter and not unbiased news.

Wait a sec, do UN arabs lie?

re: #89 bosforus

One day not so very long ago Mr. Johnson plussed almost every comment I'd made in a single thread.

I was and remain extremely flattered.

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re: #258 SpiritOf1683

Thanks for the link! What a great article! a must-read! Gellerhorn was spot-on, in her observations.

re: #262 justiceforall

You still haven't given us a link to these swell, unbiased blogs, or recited their "unbiased" facts for our amusement and edification. Come on, don't be shy! (Heh, heh, heh. . .)

(By the way, there's some interesting facts in the link SpiritOf1683 posts in #258.)

re: #266 ploome hineni

It's because, deep down, they know they've got nothing to discuss.

Endless wailing over the beloved Palestinian uber-victims become a bit thin after a while, even for the most devoted leftist.

re: #269 ploome hineni

Dogged little Marxist that he is, "Justice" seems to buy into the whole progressive meme of the eeeeeevil Jews who came to colonize the poor, dark-skinned, third-world Palestinians, and beat up their helpless olive trees. America and Israel are evil, the Islamic world is always innocent and picked upon, because it's people are all (allegedly) dark-skinned and poor (even when they're neither one), and blah, and blah, and blah-bittity blah!

We've heard it all before, and will doubtless (sigh) have to hear it all again. . .

re: #235 justiceforall

Thankfully, there are blogs that have no bias when it comes to the Middle East conflict whatsoever.

Why of course there are blogs that are historically inaccurate and that don't apply critical analysis that make anti-Semites, and proto- anti-Semites happy! It's always happy times when you can find ways to ignore the contents of the Bible and the fact that the Jewish people are returnees rather than occupiers of this land.

Plus the big benefit is that you can now distinguish your anti-Jewish sentiment by saying you are against the state of Israel not the JEWS. Of course I am not saying you personally are anti-Semitic, but what web sites do you refer to ? Lets go to the history and facts if you could.

The Euros got one of the biggest benefits from the formation of the state of Israel because they can now blissfully avoid their horrendous guilt at having 6 million people die under their watch, by transference, making modern-day Israelis into Nazis to make them feel better.

re: #263 justiceforall

You think mainstream news organizations aren't biased against Israel?

(Snort, snicker, hee-heeeee! Are you serious?)

re: #273 ploome hineni

Heh, heh. . . sounds good to me!

re: #263 justiceforall

Historical fact crushes opinion in every single context.

Bias is irrelevant in the face of documented facts.

Reuters knows full well that the results of the British 1947 census of the Palestinian Mandate has been published, in its entirety.

Not once in that pathetic excuse for a "news" story does Reuters mention the half million plus Jewish refugees to Israel who were expelled from over twenty Muslim nations.

Not once does Reuters mention the 1938-39 Palestinian Arab "Uprising" that targeted only Jews. Nor the 1929 Arab anti-Jewish riots. Nor the 1919 Arab anti-Jewish pogroms.

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Is it too much to ask the world to stop killing Jews?

Is it too difficult to understand that Jews like me are no longer asking?

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re: #263 justiceforall

"Bias": "a particular tendency or inclination, esp. one that prevents impartial consideration of a question; prejudice."

To consider an historical question impartially, you have to consider the facts. With respect to the history of the founding of Israel, the mainstream media either are ignorant of the facts, or are willfully blind to them.

For example, how would you report the 1941 Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor? How about the September 11, 2001 attacks on New York and Washington? Would you put yourself in the place of the Japanese attackers, or of the radical Islamists who planned and carried out the 9/11 attacks? Would you repeat the lies and distortions of one side in your news report to appear "balanced" and "impartial"? At what point have you betrayed your own integrity?

Reuters long ago crossed the line. Arab money owns them.

I shall do a Kamel dance, to wake her up!

(Dances off stage right, spinning on hump, clacking castanets with hooves.)