What, they don't like Barry's position on arugula?

they're all just bitter...

(“Working class” being defined in this poll as “whites with no college degree.”)

Non-whites can't be "working class"? Huh?

Wonder what they call people who are black and no college?

Operation Chaos!

Fear not, as he's sweeping in the blue collar precincts of CNN and PMSNBC.

What were the numbers previously?

Racists!

re: #2 Ward Cleaver

What, they don't like Barry's position on arugula?

I think it's more his stance on waffles which they object to...

re: #4 Occasional Reader

Non-whites can't be "working class"? Huh?

I thought white working class was redefined as morons who had to join military?

I'm not sure whether a BWAHAHA or a cackle is more appropriate here.

Racists clinging to their bibles and guns!

#6
AGREED! The troops are on the march! And the MSM is in da Nile.

re: #5 rcris5

Wonder what they call people who are black and no college?

Victims?

"Working Class"
-As if those that are Lawyers, Doctors, Engineers, etc., don't "work"?

I guess I was only in the working class from ages 12 to 22.

look, Zogby says Obama +2 in Indiana..obviously the exit polls are wrong, cause we all know just how accurate Zogby is.

/really ?

Standing by for more whining and seething from Michelliavelli.

/wab

re: #16 lummox

Victims?

Reparation Worthy?

Exit polls now being reported

Charles, reported where? What's your source?

working class people . whites w/ no college degree.
they sound very 'educated' to me. at least in what matters.

Clinton/Limbaugh 08 !

Speaking of Chaos...I just voted for HilRod here in IN

If one has a gun but no Bible in the house, only two years of college and a refined taste in wine and brie, can he still be an Obama voter?

Discuss.

If Obama loses, conspiracy theories will bloom like flowers used to before all this global warming destroyed our beautiful world.

Where's lgfvidz?

re: #25 daenerys

Speaking of Chaos...I just voted for HilRod here in IN

You, you, you... chaosite!

re: #25 daenerys

Speaking of Chaos...I just voted for HilRod here in IN

Did you feel the need to shower and gargle after ?
Thanks for taking one for the team

re: #27 JammieWearingFool

If one has a gun but no Bible in the house, only two years of college and a refined taste in wine and brie, can he still be an Obama voter?

Discuss.

That sounds like a Ron Paul voter to me.

re: #29 Ward Cleaver

Where's lgfvidz?

Homework.

re: #28 Pastorius

will bloom like flowers used to before all this global warming destroyed our beautiful world

Hey, we've still got triffids. Don't they count for something?

And now, in Indiana....

Electioneering by the Obamaniacs!

Clinton calls foul!

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

Best primary season evah!

So glad you started this thread early. I've been watching Fox but I really prefer to see the results here. Love you Charles!

Sigh. New Jersey used to have the primary in June but moved it up this year.

Alas, I cannot partake in Operation Chaos.

Life truly is unfair.

Well, we can hope,but those numbers seem too extreme...

Honestly? I'd rather have Obama against McCain in November.

re: #37 imtoast

So glad you started this thread early. I've been watching Fox but I really prefer to see the results here. Love you Charles!

I'm just glad there's a new thread. My 44oz DrPepper was having a hard time keeping my lids peeled.

re: #31 LeftJustAintRight
It really did feel weird!

A working class hero is something to be.

It'll only make a difference if Clinton actually wins North Carolina.

/anything less isn't a game changer

re: #15 sick of dem

Their feet are wet and they can see the pyramids?

re: #32 Nevergiveup

That sounds like a Ron Paul voter to me.

Paulians only eat flesh.

Don't forget the I'm gonna lie & say I voted for Obama so I don't look like a racist crowd. Those numbers likely are actually even worse for him.

re: #34 bosforus

Homework.

Then Oreo cookies and white milk?

/oops

Operation Chaos is by far the best thing about this pathetic election. Three completely useless candidates, two of them extremely dangerous, the third a wild card.

re: #22 Occasional Reader

Charles, reported where? What's your source?

Charles, did you send Stinky on a field trip?

re: #25 daenerys

Well, be sure to wash your hands thoroughly before eating or drinking, then.

re: #42 stevieray

Oh... language warning.

re: #47 Ward Cleaver

Then Oreo cookies and white milk?

/oops

Warm white milk, it's nearly bed time.

re: #27 JammieWearingFool

Yes, but he'll be conflicted.

re: #47 Ward Cleaver

Then Oreo cookies and white milk?

I hope thats not a reference to the HO ticket you racist

re: #4 Occasional Reader

(“Working class” being defined in this poll as “whites with no college degree.”)
Non-whites can't be "working class"? Huh?

Nevermind that, I've got a college degree, and I work. Or anyway, I would if not for LGF...

Time to grill. BBL for some festivities.

Barack Obama = George McGovern.

Drudge's supersized headlines say:

HILLARY'S 'DOUBLE DREAM' DASHED: EXITS SHOW EASY OBAMA WIN IN NC

Charles,

Been out all evening.

I hope and pray that you're right, but the headline I saw from Drudge indicates that Clinton's problem in North Carolina is demographic (From Memeorandum). There are a lot more blacks in North Carolina who will vote Obama than there are blue-collar whites who will vote for Clinton.

If she wins by 20% in either state, those super-delegates are going to turn on Obama. Anyone have any idea how much "Operation Chaos" has had an impact? Is it just a meme are Republicans really having fun with the vote?

Reminds me of the Iraq/Iran war.......I want them both to lose!

re: #55 nikis-knight
When the thread goes OT post a blurb about the new baby.

re: #60 unrealizedviewpoint

Drudge's supersized headlines say:

HILLARY'S 'DOUBLE DREAM' DASHED: EXITS SHOW EASY OBAMA WIN IN NC

So much for the "Crackers for Clinton".

Exit polls from Dkos:

Indiana

African Americans: 14% of the vote

Obama 92
Clinton 8

North Carolina

African Americans:

Obama 91
Clinton 6

New baby?

re: #39 june_july

Extreme numbers? Whites have to be racists if they choose the harridan by 2 to 1 margin, but 90+% blacks voting for actually arab ethnicity obambi are not racist? I guess Hillary gets the blacks who are uncle toms? As much as I loathe Hillary, I'd settle for her right now if it ensures that B. Hussein has a stake driven through his heart electorally. Four years of the clinto duo would be bad, but imagine that baitch Michelle's pontificating about the evil honky mofo's?

re: #14 WrathofG-d

Racists clinging to their bibles and guns!

and NASCAR

re: #57 MJ

Barack Obama = George McGovern.

If I am not mistaken McGovern served in the military with distinction and never went to a G-D damn church that damned America.

I find this entire election cycle the most racist ever. Every poll is divided among race. Racial divisions are wrong.

re: #66 Killgore Trout

Exit polls from Dkos:

Not surprising, but still. Wow.

re: #71 buzzsawmonkey

I saw a bumper sticker: "Work Harder...Millions on Welfare are dependent on you"

/NObama

Clinton wins Indiana, Obama wins North Carolina - that's the way it will probably go. Clinton won't quit, if the SuperDs nominate Hillary, there will be riots all over the US. I am stocking up on water, supplies, and ammo.

Sorry I didn't say above -- the exit polls are from Fox.

Imagine if 90% of whites only voted for white candidates.

/...i'm not the only one...

re: #30 Ward Cleaver

You, you, you... chaosite!

Isn't that some kind of soap? Ohhh... it's a gemstone!

The rural votes are the lsst counted.

re: #66 Killgore Trout

Exit polls from Dkos:

Nice to see they took a nice clear look at the issues and candidates, then said screw it.

re: #75 plonialmoni

Clinton wins Indiana, Obama wins North Carolina - that's the way it will probably go. Clinton won't quit, if the SuperDs nominate Hillary, there will be riots all over the US. I am stocking up on water, supplies, and ammo.

It's unlikely you'll need these items for the convention, but you certainly need them.

re: #32 Nevergiveup

That sounds like a Ron Paul voter to me.

Ooh goody, I've been waiting for a chance to post this.

re: #75 plonialmoni

Clinton wins Indiana, Obama wins North Carolina - that's the way it will probably go. Clinton won't quit, if the SuperDs nominate Hillary, there will be riots all over the US. I am stocking up on water, supplies, and ammo.

Sounds like a plan
If he loses will we get a national holiday out of it ?

Drudge is totally in the tank for Obama anyway. What really matters here is that Obama has won big in a lot of states with large numbers of black voters, but most of those states are red through and through. He will never win NC, GA, or SC in the general. He can't seal the deal in the blue states -- NY, NJ, CA, PA, and probably IN. McCain could lose every black vote in America and still take all 50 states (not that that's going to happen, obviously). Obama is not demonstrating broad appeal outside of Berkeley, Cambridge, the South Side of Chicago, and the 9th ward of New Orleans.

re: #73 Charles

I wonder if race is an issue?
/

re: #72 The_Vig

I find this entire election cycle the most racist ever. Every poll is divided among race. Racial divisions are wrong.

How else could we accuse anyone of being racists if we didn't analyze data and draw biased conclusions?

re: #77 WrathofG-d

Imagine if 90% of whites only voted for white candidates.

/...i'm not the only one...

LOL. That has been the pattern for the last 200 years.

I think white voters are the only ones color blind about Obama in this election season. Too bad.

re: #76 Charles

Do we believe in exit polls any more?

I'm only half kidding.

re: #33 buzzsawmonkey

If Hillary gets a distinct edge in these primaries, I will officially revive my prediction of a HO Ticket.

Too many fraudulent entries on the voter rolls new voters will stay at home if BO is not given a consolation prize.

His consolation prize is never having to say he's sorry for reviving racial tension in the country.

re: #89 pat

right...and it was called racist!

re: #62 DocMartyn

If she wins by 20% in either state

/less than zero chance of that happening

re: #80 ccrnyc

Lizards don't roll like that here.

re: #58 song_and_dance_man

There will cries of racism from the preeminent racists. It will give them 50 years of new victimhood fodder.

Can you imagine the New York Times article about Hillary winning the nomination? "America is a racist hellhole of a country, where, basically, everyone still thinks black people should be enslaved."

I, for one, hope this continues PAST the convention.

Let whichever candidate that does not get the nod claim Racism, or sexism.

Let it continue into July. August. September.

Let the loser NOT let it go.

Let them tear one another apart until all that is left is their core: A Racist Marxist and a Sexist Socialist.

re: #87 Killgore Trout

I wonder if race is an issue?
/

Well sure it is. The Peta crowd wanted to crucify that jockey after the derby.

re: #78 Gumby

Isn't that some kind of soap? Ohhh... it's a gemstone!

Chaos Emeralds!

/my little sister is the biggest Sonic fan evah

Operation Chaos being felt

OK who thinks the FOX Girls looks sexy in those glasses?

re: #7 JammieWearingFool

Fear not, as he's sweeping in the blue collar precincts of CNN and PMSNBC.

PMSNBC

lo

re: #101 Fat Jolly Penguin

Chaos Emeralds!

/my little sister is the biggest Sonic fan evah

Oh that Sonic.. I thought you meant this one.

re: #104 song_and_dance_man

Yeah, I think they've moved on to using the term "African American"

re: #5 rcris5

Wonder what they call people who are black and no college?

Uh, black?

re: #23 nyc redneck

working class people . whites w/ no college degree.
they sound very 'educated' to me. at least in what matters.

I dinged you up... but then I remembered we're talking about Clinton voting democrats anyway, so I need to reconsider.

re: #87 Killgore Trout

I wonder if race is an issue?
/

It's the only viable issue I've heard/read about in the whole campaign.

re: #106 ccrnyc

Oh that Sonic.. I thought you meant this one.

Woo Hoo!

Headquartered in Oklahoma City (Specifically, bricktown) formerly headquartered in Shawnee Oklahoma.

re: #70 Nevergiveup

If I am not mistaken McGovern served in the military with distinction and never went to a G-D damn church that damned America.

McGovern has served Saudi Arabia with distinction as a lobbyist for decades.

From ABC News

ABC News

EXIT POLL: Wright Controversy Casts Shadow on Ind., N.C. Races
In Both States, Three-Quarters or More Say They Decided Before Last Week

re: #111 LanceKates

Woo Hoo!

Headquartered in Oklahoma City (Specifically, bricktown) formerly headquartered in Shawnee Oklahoma.

Now I want some onion rings.

re: #97 Last Mohican

Can you imagine the New York Times article about Hillary winning the nomination? "America is a racist hellhole of a country, where, basically, everyone still thinks black people should be enslaved."

In what many have called a usurpation of the popular vote, Hillary Clinton has won the democratic nomination for the presidency leading many to wonder if a Clinton presidency could lead to 'more of the same'.

It would probably look something like that.

“Working class” being defined in this poll as “whites with no college degree.”

Does this mean Bill Gates is "working class"?

re: #114 ccrnyc

Now I want some onion rings.

I might get some on my way home.

re: #117 ninjadan

No, he's rich, he would be considered evil.

Wait.... he's a lefty, isn't he?

He'd then NOT be considered rich, but 'elightened'

Gotta love those Clintons, it would be great if the Republican candidate had even a quarter of their drive and in-your-face win-at-any-cost mentality. They are serving it up to McCain for 2008 in order to take the democratic nomination in 2012 but right now McCain seems too obtuse to get it.

In the meantime Barry seems pretty frustrated. Why don't these "bitter" white people get it? Why don't they too want to sip fine chardonnay, wear tasseled loafers, and understand Reverend Wright's historic pain? I mean don't they know Barry is ENTITLED to the nomination? Better get Michelle on the job...

Obama's got a lock on the elitist vote.

Blacks, stupid youth, and elitists won't be enough in Novemeber.

Sadly, I see McCain shooting himself in the foot somehow. Dropping the N-word at a debate? Probably not. But the media is going to be soft as feathers on Obama and hard as nails on McCain.

A working class hero is something to be.

re: #80 ccrnyc

Defendants.

Americans.
(a bit much IMO)

re: #118 LanceKates

I love their chili dogs.

Can't just eat my huge omelet?

Karl Rove has no college degree....and I believe he's white too.

I guess he must be working class.

Hmmm. I guess I technically qualify as working class then, even though I manage a group of UNIX people here at UCLA...

Wierd definition.

re: #125 imtoast

I love their chili dogs.

They're pretty good. I like their Hickory Burgers.

And their grape slushes (though I can't get those often)

re: #124 bloodnok

Americans.
(a bit much IMO)

I exaggerated, but I still want onion rings.

re: #118 LanceKates
Lance, please get me a diet cherry limeade too! Rt. 44 size

It sure doesn't mean classy working people to the MSM. No sir. scorn.

re: #127 Ringo the Gringo

I didn't have my degree until my 30s. It's funny how after graduation I developed a taste for brie and started frequenting film festivals.

re: #131 snowcrash

Theirs are good!

Dennys here has a cherry limeade, but it isn't as good.

I make them, from time to time, at home.

Sprite Zero, Squeeze a lime or two, add some cherries and a bit of the syrup.

re: #131 snowcrash

Lance, please get me a diet cherry limeade too! Rt. 44 size

I want to try one of those new coffee drinks with the soft serve and the espresso in it.

/your ultimate drink stop

re: #130 ccrnyc

I exaggeratedI apologize, but I still want onion rings.

/fixed it for you, Jeez!

re: #116 song_and_dance_man

Heck, B. Hussein's former pastor defined the issue clearly and the NAACP appeared to approve by inviting him to their shindig.

Yeah.... and NOTHING else seems to matter.... saying that, HRC and B Hussein O have nothing to offer other than racism and sexism from what I've heard. Their stances on REAL issues are untenable.

re: #97 Last Mohican

Can you imagine the New York Times article about Hillary winning the nomination? "America is a racist hellhole of a country, where, basically, everyone still thinks black people should be enslaved."

Hillary won't get any criticism in the MSM if she is the nominee. Sure, they'll dump on America as racists, but they will circle the wagons around the Democrat nominee, whoever it is. The MSM does take sides in the primary, and can dump on Hillary up to the convention, though.

Today's Tuesday, so 1/2 price burgers after 5:00. Single-patty only. :-(

re: #137 unrealizedviewpoint

/fixed it for you, Jeez!

I wouldn't go that far.. but ok.. Maybe a slushy too.

re: #136 Ward Cleaver

I've had those. I liked Dairy Queen's "Moolatte" better.

From CNN

In Indiana, 49 percent of voters in the Democratic primary said the issue was not important, compared to 48 percernt who said it was an important factor in their vote.

In North Carolina 50 percent of voters said the Wright controversy was important, and 48 percent said it was not.

re: #98 LanceKates

I, for one, hope this continues PAST the convention.

Let whichever candidate that does not get the nod claim Racism, or sexism.

Let it continue into July. August. September.

Let the loser NOT let it go.

Let them tear one another apart until all that is left is their core: A Racist Marxist and a Sexist Socialist.

If that happened, John McCain probably wouldn't have to campaign, and by doing so, would make it more palatable for me to vote for him. Because every time he opens his mouth, I remember how much I don't like him.

So...campaign on to September Dems! Don't be ruled by the superdelegates! Truth to power!

Not sure what that last one meant, but it sounded good.

I don't understand why would anyone who is not a committed Marxist would vote for Obama. Do you get your first choice in re-education camps or something?

re: #135 LanceKates
I make mine at home with diet cherry 7 up and juice of 1/4 lime.

re: #117 ninjadan

Don't forget poor Michael Dell. Had to drop outta UT because he started a computer company in a dorm room in Austin.

Barrack'll look after Michael Dell.

re: #142 LanceKates

I've had those. I liked Dairy Queen's "Moolatte" better.

Oh yeah, I've had those.

re: #140 Ward Cleaver

Today's Tuesday, so 1/2 price burgers after 5:00. Single-patty only. :-(

order two of them then.

/

re: #120 offendi

Gotta love those Clintons, it would be great if the Republican candidate had even a quarter of their drive and in-your-face win-at-any-cost mentality. They are serving it up to McCain for 2008 in order to take the democratic nomination in 2012 but right now McCain seems too obtuse to get it.

In the meantime Barry seems pretty frustrated. Why don't these "bitter" white people get it? Why don't they too want to sip fine chardonnay, wear tasseled loafers, and understand Reverend Wright's historic pain? I mean don't they know Barry is ENTITLED to the nomination? Better get Michelle on the job...

But... but... but.... I thought HILLARY was the entitled one!

re: #146 snowcrash

That'd probably save me money.... and sugar.

Rightwingnuthouse is predicting a barry hussein victory in November.
That blogger seems to think Obama will whip McCain in debates and the electorate as a whole is sick of republican rule. Duh, I thought that the dems were in control of Congress the past few years? I'm no big fan of McCain, but an Obama presidency will be a disaster worse than Jimmy Carter. And I guess if you complain at any point you are picking on the "black" man. This country is going to hell in a handbasket. Exactly what have Reid and Pelosi accomplished, other than foot dragging and obstructionism? They promised to reduce gasoline prices, for example. Hahahaha- what a fecking joke.

Reposted from earlier and dying McCain thread:

McCain is still the lesser of the three evils, and I will vote for him over Hillbama.

It comes down to electoral politics. In order for a Democrat to win in November, s/he needs to turn a number of red states blue and not allow any blue states to turn to red. This is a very tall order, esp for Obama. Not only is there no way Obama will turn Ohio or Florida blue, he will very likely turn Pennsylvania red. In the other direction the best he could do would be to turn New Mexico and Colorado blue. Point game set match.

UNLESS, there are a sizable number of conservatives would vote for Obama out of their hatred for McCain. Think about it.

Hillary has a much better chance of retaining PA and turning OH and FL. Yet I would still rather see her be the nominee rather than give Obama even the slim chance that he, with the help of disgruntled conservatives, could win.

Anyone who thinks Obama can win in November care to outline the electoral scenario?

re: #64 snowcrash

When the thread goes OT post a blurb about the new baby.

Our little Lark is wonderful, 1 month old tomorrow. She's usually very happy, except for about an hour at bed-time occasionally. To calm her down I dance with her around the living room, leaving my wife slightly jealous but smitten moreso. :)

re: #38 JammieWearingFool

Sigh. New Jersey used to have the primary in June but moved it up this year.

Alas, I cannot partake in Operation Chaos.

Life truly is unfair.

"Jammie" -

Our "R" Primary still counted, also our election law effectively makes you "sit one out" if you want to change party registration. Also, though OP CHAOS is fun, and RUSH is deserving of a Dick Tuck Award (a "TUCKIE?"), I still have a queasy feeling on the strategy. Multi Enemy Wars are usually won by taking out ONE ENEMY AT A TIME.

-S-

re: #144 shibumi

If that happened, John McCain probably wouldn't have to campaign, and by doing so, would make it more palatable for me to vote for him. Because every time he opens his mouth, I remember how much I don't like him.

So...campaign on to September Dems! Don't be ruled by the superdelegates! Truth to power!

Not sure what that last one meant, but it sounded good.

Very nice. If only the upding machine was broken and didn't prevent me from giving you more than one...

re: #134 doppelganglander

I didn't have my degree until my 30s. It's funny how after graduation I developed a taste for brie and started frequenting film festivals.

I never finished college yet I've read more books than most of my "educated" friends combined.

And I like brie and classical music too.

It's nice being working class.

re: #29 Ward Cleaver

Where's lgfvidz?

Little League Game.

re: #156 Dr. Shalit

"Jammie" -

Our "R" Primary still counted, also our election law effectively makes you "sit one out" if you want to change party registration. Also, though OP CHAOS is fun, and RUSH is deserving of a Dick Tuck Award (a "TUCKIE?"), I still have a queasy feeling on the strategy. Multi Enemy Wars are usually won by taking out ONE ENEMY AT A TIME.

-S-

But when they consistantly snipe at one another, you just sit quietly back and watch.

That's the point of Operation Chaos.

Continue the Obama/Clinton war until they destroy one another.

re: #161 LanceKates

Continue the Obama/Clinton war until they destroy one another.

And spend more money depleting the war reserve

I finished college, at least thats what my degree says, a lot of it is a cloudy fog of Fosters Lager and curbside pharmaceuticals.

re: #134 doppelganglander

I didn't have my degree until my 30s. It's funny how after graduation I developed a taste for brie and started frequenting film festivals.

Holy Crap!

I don't have my degree, but since starting college again, I've ALSO developed a taste for Brie.

Target has a sandwhich their deli makes that is turkey and brie with lettuce and a slice of tomato.

re: #106 ccrnyc

I hate their ads. Totally insulting.

re: #33 buzzsawmonkey

If Hillary gets a distinct edge in these primaries, I will officially revive my prediction of a HO Ticket.

Too many fraudulent entries on the voter rolls new voters will stay at home if BO is not given a consolation prize.

Can you imagine Michelle Wright Obama's husband sharing a ticket with Cackle Pantsuit? Talk about cat fights! I honestly think the 'dueling females' reality will make a HilRod/Obama ticket highly unlikely. Those two would absolutely HATE one another. HilRod would need the secret service to protect her from the Vice President's wife. It would be a tabloid windfall.

re: #161 LanceKates

But when they consistantly snipe at one another, you just sit quietly back and watch.

That's the point of Operation Chaos.

Continue the Obama/Clinton war until they destroy one another.

..and permit McCain the time to strengthen.

If you thought Jimmah Cattah was bad, wit till you see B O in action...

YEAH, yeah. I'm a racist./// Sarc.

My message to McCain regarding LaRaza - and all his other ill conceived liberal ideas:

Ralph Kramden

re: #158 song_and_dance_man

So true. Race, sex, taxes and entitlements.

And nary a plan to fix ANY of them..... just more of the same from more of the same.

I went to college. I hate brie, wine, and arugula. What the hell that is. Taste like a daisy leaf

re: #166 obscured by clouds

Can you imagine Michelle Wright Obama's husband sharing a ticket with Cackle Pantsuit? Talk about cat fights! I honestly think the 'dueling females' reality will make a HilRod/Obama ticket highly unlikely. Those two would absolutely HATE one another. HilRod would need the secret service to protect her from the Vice President's wife. It would be a tabloid windfall.

I have one word of advice for Michelle O and all the super delegates
Stay out of parks

re: #166 obscured by clouds

Can you imagine Michelle Wright Obama's husband sharing a ticket with Cackle Pantsuit? Talk about cat fights! I honestly think the 'dueling females' reality will make a HilRod/Obama ticket highly unlikely. Those two would absolutely HATE one another. HilRod would need the secret service to protect her from the Vice President's wife. It would be a tabloid windfall.

KMAss Obama MAMA would give the Hildebeast tongue in order to get the power that she THINKS that she ans her man are entitled to.

And the blacks with no college degree are called victims? If not, I will go get Al "Don't you love my congolene" Sharpton on the case...

re: #87 Killgore Trout

I wonder if race is an issue?
/

Character doesn't seem to be.

re: #170 buzzsawmonkey

They are recommending a one-shot national primary because they don't like the fact that the candidates have to run the test of time that they themselves devised, and don't like the fact that new things keep coming out that cause people to reassess their choice of whom to support.

Wouldn't it be have been great had Barry been vetted by the republicans in October rather then the dems in March?

re: #4 Occasional Reader

Non-whites can't be "working class"? Huh?

Here I've been thinking that I am working class even with my college degree. Course my degree is a BS in Computer Science with no real sociology, psychology, physiology classes. but damn we had fun in physics. we didnt have wimmin studies either.

Go ummmmmbama!

I keep reading about how many 'white' people won't vote for a black candidate. It's pissin' me off.

How about how many black people won't vote for a white candidate (if there's a black candidate running as well).

Seems to me that white folks are much more prepared to vote for a black person than they get credit for. I mean, B.O. is going to be nominated, no? Doesn't that freaking settle the question?

re: #173 pat

I went to college. I hate brie, wine, and arugula. What the hell that is. Taste like a daisy leaf

Pat -

I like all three, I also like Velveeta, Beer and Cabbage - go figure.

-S-

re: #155 nikis-knight
Thanks for the news. I can't figure out what it was about your new baby post that reminded me of my husband as a new daddy, but it did and still does. I am very happy for your joy.

This seems an opportune time to give the Obama another slam with an expose' of his new minister, Otis Moss.Yes, he's another nutter.

Oh brother. If the shit eating grin on dip shit Matthews face is an indicator, Hillary lost both NC and Indiana.

re: #180 Eowyn2

Here I've been thinking that I am working class even with my college degree. Course my degree is a BS in Computer Science with no real sociology, psychology, physiology classes. but damn we had fun in physics. we didnt have wimmin studies either.

That would make you (and me) techno class, which twenty years ago was considered a different thing. Today, maybe not so much.

re: #187 galloping granny

Wow.. can't believe you said that.
granny?

re: #159 Ringo the Gringo

You are welcome to my share of the mold cheeses except for the odd blue cheese salad dressing. Then again, I went undergraduate in Hoboken when it still had the Bethlehem Steel Shipyard there. One of the best "working men's" bars in the world a block away from the yard. They had the best liverwurst and coleslaw sandwiches in the world and the best birch beer on tap (yes, no alcohol, although that beer was there too and I certainly consumed more than my share). A real nice place for real people.

Personally, my attitude is that anyone who does not read at least one book a month is a traitor to our country and should be transported to England. Given the Dhimis and soccer louts they have there it might actually even be an improvement. I still find the statistic that 44% of all Americans do not read a book, any book, fiction or non-fiction, within the past 12 months to be a sad commentary on our society. During our Colonial period, the English booksellers sold more books in America than they sold in England. Given that the population in England was larger than that in America that says a lot. Perhaps it is still true on a per capita basis, but I find the 44% statistic sad. No wonder we elect idiots.

re: #190 Shr_Nfr

Personally, my attitude is that anyone who does not read at least one book a month is a traitor to our country and should be transported to England.

That would strip of us most adults under the age of 30? 35? 40? And I'm not sure how many kids read a book in an average month these days, either, other than a few pages out of a textbook.

re: #112 MJ

I thought that was Billy Carter when he was pissing on the tarmac.

Real men don't eat brie.

They eat Robusto.

re: #164 LanceKates

Watch out! Next thing you know you'll be skipping Sonic and going to Panera for the chipotle mayonnaise and spring greens in raspberry vinaigrette.

re: #187 galloping granny

granny, I'm staying my "report" finger in the hopes you'll explain that you were being sarcastic.

re: #189 unrealizedviewpoint

Wow.. can't believe you said that.
granny?

OH - I'm sorry! I'm so embarrassed. I meant that as sarcasm. Mea culpa!

re: #197 Occasional Reader
You reporting that or am I?

re: #199 snowcrash
Sorry, it was clarified.

Ok you weeping-willows, according to the Gospel of Michelle Obama(PBUH): :)

....people do become isolated, they do live in a level of division, because see when you’re that busy struggling all the time, which most people that you know and I know are, see you don’t have time to get to know your neighbors, you don’t have time to reach out and have conversations to share stories, in fact you feel very alone in your struggle....

Don't ya'?

And quit the 'sharing stories' crap. Now! ;)

Fantastic news!
I just won a million bucks in the MALAYSIA INTERNATIONAL LOTTERY!

I'm rich, I'm rich! Filthy RICH! HAHAHAH!

Anyway... howz everyone tonight?

/how many Big Macs can you buy for a million bucks?

re: #11 Nevergiveup

I thought white working class was redefined as morons who had to join military?

Morons can't join the military. In fact, the military enlisted ranks rack up an average IQ of 105. Officers significantly higher. Outside of the likes of Microsoft, what other employer has numbers like that?

re: #203 lostlakehiker

Morons can't join the military. In fact, the military enlisted ranks rack up an average IQ of 105. Officers significantly higher. Outside of the likes of Microsoft, what other employer has numbers like that?

Nobody.

And this is exactly why we don't (and won't) have the draft.

re: #191 itellu3times

I don't read as much as I would like to, or as I used to, and I still get through about 3 books a month (mostly nonfiction). If you don't have time to read, but have a long commute or exercise a lot, you need to get The Teaching Company. Their courses are absolutely addictive and better than most of what passes for education in today's universities.

re: #198 galloping granny

OH - I'm sorry! I'm so embarrassed. I meant that as sarcasm. Mea culpa!

LOL- everybody's panties were all bunched in a wad wondering and waiting - "did she really say that?" LOL

re: #109 nikis-knight

I dinged you up... but then I remembered we're talking about Clinton voting democrats anyway, so I need to reconsider.

operation chaos.
lol.

re: #206 unrealizedviewpoint
Granny got deleted!

re: #206 unrealizedviewpoint

LOL- everybody's panties were all bunched in a wad wondering and waiting - "did she really say that?" LOL

And... it's been deleted anyway (along with my foolish "quote" of it)

re: #206 unrealizedviewpoint

LOL- everybody's panties were all bunched in a wad wondering and waiting - "did she really say that?" LOL

That'll teach me to multitask! I am the last person who would mean such a thing.

re: #208 snowcrash

Granny got deleted!

Thank goodness!

#151- Gumby

Well they are both ENTITLED.

I personally think the only way to settle the democratic nomination
is a GRIEVANCE OFF, in other words which candidate has been more aggrieved living in the old U.S.A.. I can see Michelle Obama making the case for Barry. Examples :

Hillary : Standing by your man after the blue dress stain : I am entitled to be President!

Michelle: According to Reverend Wright the American government created AIDS: Barry is entitled to be President !

Add your own...

re: #190 Shr_Nfr

It doesn't necessarily mean that people aren't reading, just that they aren't reading books. I'm a prolific reader but I do the lions' share of my reading online.

I'm installing office 2007!

I can hardly wait to find out where all the functions I normally use have been hidden!

It's like an Easter egg hunt at Bill Gates Estate!

Jayzuz...is this the '2008 Gong Show National Elections' or what?

re: #211 galloping granny

Granny, it musta been a good one. LOL

Good grief, there are two teenaged girls who are nearly ready to come to blows over my 16 year old son screaming at each other in the backyard. BRB

/teenage angst

re: #215 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Jayzuz...is this the '2008 Gong Show National Elections' or what?

Granny, it musta been a good one. LOL

It might not have been bad if I had remembered the sarc tag. Far as I know that is the only time I've been deleted in more than 10K posts. LOL.

re: #216 irish rose

Good grief, there are two teenaged girls who are nearly ready to come to blows over my 16 year old son screaming at each other in the backyard. BRB

/teenage angst

Teenage girls are definitely NOT what they used to be.

re: #154 neocon hippie

Reposted from earlier and dying McCain thread:

McCain is still the lesser of the three evils, and I will vote for him over Hillbama.

It comes down to electoral politics. In order for a Democrat to win in November, s/he needs to turn a number of red states blue and not allow any blue states to turn to red. This is a very tall order, esp for Obama. Not only is there no way Obama will turn Ohio or Florida blue, he will very likely turn Pennsylvania red. In the other direction the best he could do would be to turn New Mexico and Colorado blue. Point game set match.

UNLESS, there are a sizable number of conservatives would vote for Obama out of their hatred for McCain. Think about it.

Hillary has a much better chance of retaining PA and turning OH and FL. Yet I would still rather see her be the nominee rather than give Obama even the slim chance that he, with the help of disgruntled conservatives, could win.

Anyone who thinks Obama can win in November care to outline the electoral scenario?

Easy. But first, a word about the risks with Hillary vs. the risks with Obama. Obama is a democrat. Hence, the risks. But that's about the size of it. While there are indications that he's not squeaky clean [he does come from Chicago politics], those straws in the wind are nothing compared to Hillary's long record of impossible cattle futures gains and so on.

Now---Obama has drawn a large and enthusiastic mass of young people into the political process. If they go on to vote for him in the general election, it throws off the whole electoral map conventional wisdom.

While it is far from a sure thing, there is the possibility that white working class democrats will vote democrat even if he's the nominee. It would depend on how he handles himself during the fall debates, and on the course of the war and the state of the economy.

Newt Gingrich is airing the possibility of a Republican meltdown in the fall. If he's alarmed, it's overconfident, to say the least, to argue that Obama cannot win.

He has a better chance than Hillary. His negatives aren't verging on 50%, and they aren't set in concrete. Hillary also has the problem that by now, her only path to the nomination runs through a sewer of broken rules and trickery. And then she's supposed to win back the support of all these people in the general race, running against moderate democrat [ok, ok, technically republican] McCain?

re: #206 unrealizedviewpoint

Conventional wisdom is that more black men are in prison than in college, but the truth is that five times as many attend college. I'm sure the high school drop out rate is quite high as are the number of births out of wedlock by blacks and the numbers of single mom families. Thankfully at least, many black women are strong anchors and hold things together quite well. IMO the whole gangsta crime thing is cultural. Education is frowned upon and people like Bill Cosby are derided while the poverty pimps Sharpton and Jackson manage to intimidate corporations.

Also there are more poor whites than blacks in absolute numbers. Sure seems like the Jews and Asians have much better family ties and know the importance of education. And a pity that so many bright Asians are victims of reverse discrimination in higher education. I'd have no trouble voting for a Bobby Jindal regardless of his hue or ethnicity.

I am an avid reader. I sleep downstairs, there is a book waiting and while upstairs there are always books open. I honestly don't know what I would do without them. My husband gets upset because I have books all over the house, including the bathroom!

re: #221 imtoast

I am an avid reader. I sleep downstairs, there is a book waiting and while upstairs there are always books open. I honestly don't know what I would do without them. My husband gets upset because I have books all over the house, including the bathroom!

I would get rid of the husband long before the books. Last time I checked we had over 10,000 books. We have so many books that my daughter is considering setting them up Dewey Decimal system style because it can be such a PITA to find the precise one you want.

re: #218 galloping granny

Teenage girls are definitely NOT what they used to be.

I should say not.

re: #222 galloping granny

When she's done with yours maybe she could come over and help me with mine.

re: #223 irish rose

Irish Rose, gently steer your young gentlemen away from crazy young ladies as best you can.

re: #223 irish rose

I should say not.

I have been completely flabbergasted lately at the outright savagery of some girls. Well, maybe many girls.

Did you get rid of them?

re: #224 imtoast

When she's done with yours maybe she could come over and help me with mine.

If you have a lot but not that many, Librarything is a big help. At least you can check on what you have pretty easily.

re: #221 imtoast

One dude I know is in his mid-sixties and has read one book since high school. So I can believe there are some who never crack a book. Books can be a great escape from reality of life. They recently opened a magnificent new library where I live-
$18 million spent. The trouble is finding what you want. So I buy oodles of books cheap online. In my youth I was clueless and believed the media's propaganda. Then later working for the state, I saw just how clueless the media quacks could be, getting the facts wrong and making up kaka to boot.

re: #226 galloping granny

I have been completely flabbergasted lately at the outright savagery of some girls. Well, maybe many girls.

Did you get rid of them?

My son got rid of them.

re: #229 irish rose

My son got rid of them.

That is a promising omen.

re: #27 JammieWearingFool

If one has a gun but no Bible in the house, only two years of college and a refined taste in wine and brie, can he still be an Obama voter?

Discuss.

Depends on his bowling handicap.

Fox just projected Obama as winner in NC just as polls closed

CNN is predicting that the Obamanation has won Carolina -- still too early to predict for Indiana.

re: #232 neocon hippie

Fox just projected Obama as winner in NC just as polls closed

I find it a little odd that they are talking about an Obama victory before the polls have even closed. In most states it is illegal to even count any votes before the polls close.

re: #29 Ward Cleaver

Where's lgfvidz?

I'm right here.

The original working class hero:

a couple of curse words, just be warned.

It's funny, the guy on CNN said 'North Carolina will go to Obama, it has a strong black voting block, and a lot of good schools, and the more educated the voter the more they vote Obama.'

I don't know what they said on Fox News. Never watch it, unless I need a good laugh.

Cnn: Obama wins North Carolina, CNN projects

re: #203 lostlakehiker

Morons can't join the military. In fact, the military enlisted ranks rack up an average IQ of 105. Officers significantly higher. Outside of the likes of Microsoft, what other employer has numbers like that?

thereby proving that a higher IQ doesn't necessarily mean you're smarter.... %-)

/former enlisted swine

re: #237 lgfvidz

How do you think President Obama will improve our troubled planet?

re: #216 irish rose

Good grief, there are two teenaged girls who are nearly ready to come to blows over my 16 year old son screaming at each other in the backyard. BRB

/teenage angst

turn the hose on them..... %-)

/tradiotonal

re: #240 Killgore Trout

I just think hes the best man, seems to be an honest intelligent man. And at least he wants to get the boys and girls back home. I think he has much more ability to improve the economy than any of the others, too.

re: #237 lgfvidz

It's funny, the guy on CNN said 'North Carolina will go to Obama, it has a strong black voting block, and a lot of good schools, and the more educated the voter the more they vote Obama.'

I don't know what they said on Fox News. Never watch it, unless I need a good laugh.

so you're not voting for Obama, eh?

Hmm? Politico has Her Thighness ahead in the count?

WTF?

VOTE FOR THE OLD BALD WHITE GUY it matters.

re: #242 lgfvidz

I think he has much more ability to improve the economy than any of the others, too.

What's he going to do to improve the economy?

Seriously, a gas tax holiday? This is what the presidential hopefuls are proposing? My first economics course would show thats about as dumb an idea for an oligopoly like the gas industry.

re: #238 Killgore Trout
Hey that's interesting (not surprising, of course, we are talking about CNN here) because the polls haven't close in NC and there are only 21% of the
precincts reporting.
Gee, I wonder if Communist News Network is trying to get the folks of North Carolina to vote for Obama WHEN THEY GET HOME FROM WORK instead of voting for Hillary?

re: #120 offendi

Gotta love those Clintons, it would be great if the Republican candidate had even a quarter of their drive and in-your-face win-at-any-cost mentality. They are serving it up to McCain for 2008 in order to take the democratic nomination in 2012 but right now McCain seems too obtuse to get it.

In the meantime Barry seems pretty frustrated. Why don't these "bitter" white people get it? Why don't they too want to sip fine chardonnay, wear tasseled loafers, and understand Reverend Wright's historic pain? I mean don't they know Barry is ENTITLED to the nomination? Better get Michelle on the job...

It pains me to say it, but in the O'Reilly interview, the Hildabeast seemed to have got her act together. She handled his speedy, mildly confrontational repartee rather well. McCain is going to have to start stretching his stride if she should manage to outpace Sir Vapid in August.

I have some ugly visions of more Breyers on the supreme court. And we came so close these last few years to making some moves towards restoring the Constitution!

re: #246 Killgore Trout

What's he going to do to improve the economy?

This should be good.

obama idea of f.policy is to talk to terrorist states like Iran, and after Iran drops a nuke on Jerusalem he will say OOPS!

OBAMA is not even a sane choice.

re: #242 lgfvidz

I just think hes the best man, seems to be an honest intelligent man. And at least he wants to get the boys and girls back home. I think he has much more ability to improve the economy than any of the others, too.

"honest, intelligent"..... one thing wrong

"boys & girls back home" 1. they're men & women. 2. running away is *not* beneficial to them, the US or the world. that's 3.

"improve the economy", how? by killing NAFTA, which has improved the economy? by raising tariffs, which always reduces the economy? by raising taxes and capital gains, there by further weakening the economy?

face it: you haven't thought about it at all, or, more likely, you lack the education and critical reasoning skills to think intelligently to begin with.

you're as pathetic a creature as the racist fraud you support.

re: #228 madmax517

The only way to learn what is true is to read. I really went bonkers after 911. Read everything I could find and came to the very real conclusion that 911 happened because we aren't muslims. Since then I have read books by returning vets, and embeds. Before 911 I read about Hitler and the slaughter of the Jews. I must have over 100 books just on that subject. I believe in reading and thankfully my children have followed me in that. Where we live is a very small community but the library here will transfer books from the bigger libraries for us. However, there are some books that I want to own, actually, there are a lot of books that I want to own.

re: #242 lgfvidz

I just think hes the best man, seems to be an honest intelligent man. And at least he wants to get the boys and girls back home. I think he has much more ability to improve the economy than any of the others, too.

You are being sarcastic, right? Obama has absolutely NO experience at anything. He has never run a business, been an entrepreneur or even held a real job other than a period of time rabble rousing. He knows nothing of the American Black experience because his black roots are in Africa. He knows less than nothing about economics and has no military experience - or even a basic knowlege of the military.

He is specifically NOT honest. Witness his poor excuse for sitting in a pew for 20 years, listening to Wright spew his hatred, racism and filth week after week, even trusting his children to that BS - and yet he expects us all to believe he didn't hear it? That he was never aware of it:? BS.

Just how would you expect him to "move the economy?" And do you have ANY clue of what bringing the military home at this moment in time would mean down the road? Just exactly how many more lives would be lost when they had to go back in?

YOU ARE AN IDIOT!

re: #246 Killgore Trout

You could just go to his website. But its more the fact that I think he is intelligent. I also like his health care package.

re: #252 redc1c4

face it: you haven't thought about it at all, or, more likely, you lack the education and critical reasoning skills to think intelligently to begin with.

you're as pathetic a creature as the racist fraud you support.

okay.

re: #256 lgfvidz

I also like his health care package.

Interesting.

Barack Obama holds a beer as he greets patrons at a bar in Raleigh, N.C.,Tuesday. Obama won the North Carolina primary, but was trailing Hillary Clinton in Indiana. (AP Photo)

And this is with 0% precincts reporting in North Carolina. Wonderful journalistic standards, FOX...

/sarcasm and disgust

re: #256 lgfvidz

You could just go to his website. But its more the fact that I think he is intelligent. I also like his health care package.

That makes you worse than an idiot. We've all been to his website, BTW. We watch it pretty closely to see just what flakes, loons and criminals support him - folks like the Nation of Islam, the Weather Underground, known bombers from the 60's . . . .

re: #252 redc1c4

oops, upding.

re: #248 realwest

Realwest, our primary's have closed in North Carolina now. No longer open

The first time I looked at Politico, Hillary was actually ahead. Now she's down substantially.

Lgfvidz, respectfully... if you think that Barack Obama is the superior candidate, then you haven't been paying close enough attention.

I voted here this morning in Greenville, NC and the reporter was in astonished that I was not voting for a Democrat and that I actually cared about the Governor race. Guess he thought that b/c i was in my Pirate gear that i was a flaming liberal.. Notttt

re: #265 Irish Rose

Thank you for your respect. No need for the extra stuff. Also, I was against the war, and Obama showed some foresight in voting against it.

re: #267 TheBull271

Guess he thought that b/c i was in my Pirate gear that i was a flaming liberal..

You went to vote dressed like a pirate?

re: #268 lgfvidz

Thank you for your respect. No need for the extra stuff. Also, I was against the war, and Obama showed some foresight in voting against it.

Obama did not show any foresight in voting against the war. Obama did not have the opportunity to vote against the war or for it either as HE WAS NOT A MEMBER OF CONGRESS WHEN THE VOTE WAS TAKEN!

re: #268 lgfvidz

I was against the war, and Obama showed some foresight in voting against it.

Really? Where did this vote take place, since he wasn't in the US Senate when they voted to authorize the use of military force in Iraq?

re: #269 lobo91

Naw,, Had my ECU shirt on,, Would have been cool to go dress like a Pirate. You think they would have let me vote in a Pirate costume? Probably not lol

How's this exit polling work?

" Hey, buddy, yeah you! Does race, religion or gender effect your vote? How educated are you, anyway?"

re: #257 lgfvidz

I just happen to be a small business owner and find the demoncraps approach to healthcare to be worse than what I provide my employees now. At least they get care now, I can't speak to just what they can expect from a government run system. I run a service business where medical insurance is a selling point. Yeah it is costly, but it is a selling point to future employees. Take that away from me and I got nothing. Factor that in your economic analysis!

re: #276 littleO

How's this exit polling work?

" Hey, buddy, yeah you! Does race, religion or gender effect your vote? How educated are you, anyway?"

Pretty much, yeah, that's how they do it.