Look at that picture, how the people are just laughing at him.

Amen.

Now I've got the lyrics "One is the loneliest number that you'll ever do..." stuck in my head.

Meet your maker in under 5 seconds. Does he have gun?

I wonder how long the 5 seconds guy stood out there. Hours?

Well, he's in good company at UC Berkley with all the 9-11 Troofers and global warming fearmongers there.

Oh, those wacky Creationists. Don't they know science and reason has already solved everything? They should go back to their holes!

/Creationist

At least he's not bitter or clinging.
And his sign is grammatically correct and neat and articulate, which is more than I can say for other people's signs.

Hardly surprising. There's lunacy, and to spare, at U.C. Berkley.

re: #6 Honorary Yooper

Well, he's in good company at UC Berkley with all the 9-11 Troofers and global warming fearmongers there.

Well then, I suppose I would be in good company with them too. :)

Altho I have to say it would be rather odd. ...... lol

Zombie, if you are reading this, know that I responded to your email. I hope you can find it in the big stack you got.

The story behind my presence on the U.C. campus adds another bizarre dimension to the scene. I had gotten a tip that the group “Students for Justice in Palestine” was going to set up a “checkpoint” near Sproul Plaza to force passing students to experience what life is purportedly like in the West Bank — as SJP’s way of marking the “Nakba,” the Arabic word for “catastrophe” that is used in Palestine to describe the founding of Israel. But when I showed up, no faux-checkpoints were to be found — only this table for the Muslim Students Association. I guess I either missed the action, or the whole event had been cancelled.

They wouldn't know what to do because none of them have ever been there.

(and I have manned check points)

Are those 5 seconds measured by man or by God?

It's also worth noting, he's not advocating for science or proving a theory. He's protesting against atheists.

He's making three statements here:

1. That he can offer proof in 5 seconds. I doubt that one.

2. That God made the heavens and the earth. No argument there.

3. That Jesus can provide restoration and healing to a soul. Again, no argument from me.

so two out of three IMO

On the postive side, I'm fairly sure he was screaming obscenities and smelled a lot better than the average Berkeley protestor

The story behind my presence on the U.C. campus adds another bizarre dimension to the scene. I had gotten a tip that the group “Students for Justice in Palestine” was going to set up a “checkpoint” near Sproul Plaza to force passing students to experience what life is purportedly like in the West Bank — as SJP’s way of marking the “Nakba,” the Arabic word for “catastrophe” that is used in Palestine to describe the founding of Israel. But when I showed up, no faux-checkpoints were to be found — only this table for the Muslim Students Association. I guess I either missed the action, or the whole event had been cancelled.

A good metaphor for the "catasprophe" suffered by the Palestinians.

re: #15 mama winger

Mama! Glad to see you back! I was worried about you.

PS: No more dog poems, unless you ask for them.

Usually the 5 second argument is "you are here, therefore god made you". (or some variation of the first cause argument.)

Nutty Lone Christian Giving Speeches At University

Breaking: Dog Bites Man

Here it comes. Time to beat up on the zealot.
But....
If you disagree with him he's not going to behead you.

Activate your IFF, folks!

Land of the moonbats

re: #18 buzzsawmonkey

Mama! Glad to see you back! I was worried about you.

PS: No more dog poems, unless you ask for them.

Hi Buzz! I loved your dog poems! I've been busy starting to train my new pup, Cubbie - whom I officially adopted yesterday. Also I've been having a lot of trouble with my hands the last few days - my left hand is totally useless. ack - hard to type :(

How are you doing, my friend ?

where's the fossil record of the failed instances of genetic mutations along the way. must be some, no?

(that ought to kick start this thread. mu-wahahah!) :)

re: #15 mama winger

He's making three statements here:

1. That he can offer proof in 5 seconds. I doubt that one.

2. That God made the heavens and the earth. No argument there.

3. That Jesus can provide restoration and healing to a soul. Again, no argument from me.

so two out of three IMO

His top line request: "give me just five seconds" probably worked well to grab some attention.

"Frank Says" is actually on subject for once:

frank says:

The essence of Christianity is told us in the Garden of Eden history. The fruit that was forbidden was on the tree of knowledge. The subtext is, All the suffering you have is because you wanted to find out what was going on. You could be in the Garden of Eden if you had just kept your mouth shut and hadn't asked any questions. -- Playboy Interview, April 1993

re: #26 Pastorius

The essence of Christianity is told us in the Garden of Eden history. The fruit that was forbidden was on the tree of knowledge. The subtext is, All the suffering you have is because you wanted to find out what was going on. You could be in the Garden of Eden if you had just kept your mouth shut and hadn't asked any questions.

Way off target. But that's a whole nuther kettle of fish, eh ? :)

Five seconds. Impressive.

Is this really going to be another "Creationists are knuckledraggers" thread?

re: #27 mama winger

How are you Mama? Another day, another kick in the teeth.

We were told this was coming.

Oh well. God Bless you!

He's 0 for 3. In baseball we call that a strikeout.

re: #26 Pastorius

Wow, yes, that is definitely the very soul of Christianity.

Deep, very deep.

Sometimes I wonder how much separates some conservatives from liberals, because they seem to share they same snide comments and disregard for people of faith... I guess it's the guns, money, and government involvement.

re: #29 LanceKates

Is this really going to be another "Creationists are knuckledraggers" thread?

No worries. I have nothing to prove.

re: #33 mama winger

Oh, nor do I. It is just sad to see it coming from all sides.

re: #33 mama winger

Me either. I'm with you.

By the way, there is nothing essentially "Christian" about creationism. The Catholic Church, for example, has specifically renounced creationism (and intelligent design) and stated that Darwin's theory of evolution is not opposed to Christian faith.

re: #30 BulgarWheat

How are you Mama? Another day, another kick in the teeth.

We were told this was coming.

Oh well. God Bless you!

Hi Bulgar! I am hating my lupus lately - it is robbing me of the use of my hands. Damn that Fall ! :) hehe

re: #23 mama winger

Oh, mama.....I wish I could give you mine --and all my health, too.....

re: #29 LanceKates

Is this really going to be another "Creationists are knuckledraggers" thread?

dude that's why I threw out my post above re the fossil record), as some bait. let's see where it goes...

re: #36 Charles

By the way, there is nothing essentially "Christian" about creationism. The Catholic Church, for example, has specifically renounced creationism (and intelligent design) and stated that Darwin's theory of evolution is not opposed to Christian faith.

Good for them.

I'll believe as I like.

re: #32 Living4Him5534

You haven't seen snide comments, disregard, and condescension until you've seen the treatment atheists get from evangelists and fundies.

re: #37 mama winger

I hope you're feeling better soon! That sucks! I'll include you into the Wheat household prayers for you and your wonderful son tonight!

re: #38 Ma Sands

Oh, mama.....I wish I could give you mine --and all my health, too.....

{Ma}

I welcome the suffering. It keeps me humble and dependent.

#27 Mama Winger,

Yeah, I'm not saying I agree with Frank. I'm just saying he's on subject.

For the record, it doesn't matter to me whether a person believes in God or not. I'm with Dennis Prager; there are only two types of people, the decent and the indecent.

re: #41 FoolsMate

such a heavy burden to bear for not believing anything.

re: #42 BulgarWheat

I hope you're feeling better soon! That sucks! I'll include you into the Wheat household prayers for you and your wonderful son tonight!

Thank you so much - He and I do appreciate it.

re: #41 FoolsMate

You haven't seen snide comments, disregard, and condescension until you've seen the treatment atheists get from evangelists and fundies.

Wholly disagree.

re: #29 LanceKates

Only if you want it to be.

#32,
That's Frank Zappa's opinion, not mind.

re: #39 Vergeltung

God doesn't wear a Rolex. Just like time zones, he MAY be on an entirely different time zone. Just a thought....

6 Mississippi! 7 Mississippi!

People of faith should not be mocked & disrespected.
However noone should shove their faith into others faces.

Look, you can't blame the guy for trying!

And, somebody please tell me why he's a "crackpot"...

JAFLW

re: #44 Pastorius

#27 Mama Winger,

I'm with Dennis Prager; there are only two types of people, the decent and the indecent.

Yes.

My son, interestingly enough, is reading a book by Dennis Prager now on anti-semitism for a research paper on anti-semitism and the Lutheran Church. Should be a toe-tapper, as he goes to a Lutheran college/seminary.

STFU you big Ots or I will kill you all with my Science!

re: #43 mama winger

Yeah.....in some ways, I guess it might be easier than internal, too.....

re: #23 mama winger

Hi Buzz! I loved your dog poems! I've been busy starting to train my new pup, Cubbie - whom I officially adopted yesterday. Also I've been having a lot of trouble with my hands the last few days - my left hand is totally useless. ack - hard to type :(

How are you doing, my friend ?

How am I doing? Loungin' round an' sufferin', as the saying goes. Too much work, too little time--and too much draw here.

I'm glad to know that you're doing OK--except for the hand thing, that is. Phooey on that. Congratulations on the new pup; what kind is s/he? "Custom blend," or something identifiable?

re: #14 Killgore Trout

It's also worth noting, he's not advocating for science or proving a theory. He's protesting against atheists.

no. Actually, That's NOt worth noting...

:-D

re: #41 FoolsMate

You've obviously missed some of the earlier threads. It's cool. Not tossing any bombs today or previously.

I'm not going to change anyone's mind today and I understand that.

Have a good day!

re: #48 irish rose

Only if you want it to be.

And this is my fault... how?

Are you suggesting that by believing in Creationism, I'm somehow responsible for the inability of people who believe in evolution to insult, degrade and berate me?

It is like dealing with someone who is anti-smoking. They can't stand by and let you do as you wish, they HAVE to tell you why you're wrong and stupid and evil.

re: #41 FoolsMate

Yes, every conversation I had in the Marines where I was mocked for my faith I made sure to shed a tear for all the times I saw atheists getting browbeaten... oh wait...

And Charles, just because the Catholic Church does it, doesn't mean that it's A.) good B.) right or C.) in the Bible.

re: #59 BulgarWheat

Big freaking Ot.
Lay under this bus, NOW

lolololol

re: #50 BulgarWheat

God doesn't wear a Rolex.

Oh, yeah? What do you think that thing over there is, that looks like a galaxy? No, not that one, that one...over there.

re: #55 BabbaZee

Babba! I've missed you today! Damn BIG BUSINESS has been stealing all my LGF time.

WE"RE BEING RIPPED OFF BY BIG BUSINESS!

Heil five!

re: #52 opnion

People of faith should not be mocked & disrespected.
However noone should shove their faith into others faces.

Can we chat about it though? I promise not to ring your bell.

#54 Mama Winger,

I've read Prager on the origin of anti-Semitism. Interestinly enough, that's one subject I do NOT agree with him on.

re: #64 BulgarWheat

Heil Five!
I'm being ripped off by big tiredness. LOL

re: #50 BulgarWheat

God doesn't wear a Rolex. Just like time zones, he MAY be on an entirely different time zone. Just a thought....

eh? you lost me on that one.... :)

re: #29 LanceKates

Is this really going to be another "Creationists are knuckledraggers" thread?

yeah. is it?

the more threads like these, the more i see many lizards hate me and hate my faith. never a good reason why though as i have never done them any harm.

i guess i'm just sick of those evangelical atheists (thanks to Crusader Rabbit for the term).

whatever. have at it. make fun of the people who believe in God and that He is so onmipotent that He could create everything you percieve and more in the blink of His eye. i'll check in later to see who has decided i'm an idiot/fool/whatever term you prefer for the day.

Just know one thing you nonbelievers... if i'm right, you'll be alone for eternity and i'll be in Heaven with God. if i'm wrong, then i've lived a good life and not harmed you in any way. Make your choice.

re: #57 buzzsawmonkey

Congratulations on the new pup; what kind is s/he? "Custom blend," or something identifiable?

A mixed bag of lovable floof. I am going to have a DNA rest run on him next week probably. Just to see what I'm up against :)

re: #60 LanceKates

And this is my fault... how?

Are you suggesting that by believing in Creationism, I'm somehow responsible for the inability of people who believe in evolution to insult, degrade and berate me?

It is like dealing with someone who is anti-smoking. They can't stand by and let you do as you wish, they HAVE to tell you why you're wrong and stupid and evil.

I didn't suggest anything.
Have a nice day.

re: #41 FoolsMate

Do the evangelists and fundies behead them?

Saying God created the heavens and the earth is not automatically creationsm; it is simple a quote.

re: #68 Vergeltung

carbon dating, freaking carbon dating.

just sayin'

re: #70 mama winger

That is too cute for words.

re: #12 Ben Hur

They wouldn't know what to do because none of them have ever been there.

(and I have manned check points)

Will "faux rocket" be falling on the dorms, too?

That's ok with me if you don't believe in God. It's not my fault you're going to hell.

///sarc off

"Five seconds."

Got to admit I'm curious what the fellow has to say.

re: #67 BabbaZee

Tiredness sucks. Big OT Tiredness sucks largely!

re: #74 BulgarWheat

carbon dating, freaking carbon dating.

just sayin'

Look, I may have to deal with the "carbon credit" BS, but I bloody well draw the line at carbon dating.

And if they put a "Carbon Dating Game" on TV, I vow that I will not watch it.

re: #73 Roger

Go ten utterances!

re: #69 Kirly

leaving the eternity question out of it, I'm just annoyed that people who believe in Creation (not all christians do) are belittled by people who do not....

I don't walk up to people who believe in Evolution and say "What a stupid person you are. You're no different than A Troofer or the Terrorists."

And yet, I've had people say that of me. For believing that God Created.

Instead, I am told how stupid I am and how Creationists are always ranting against the good and innocent Evolutionists.

It reminds me of the liberals calling the conservatives racist for not supporting Obama.

re: #75 buzzsawmonkey

That is too cute for words.

Yeah. I think he was counting on that in order to FORCE me to adopt him. ha

Oh dear, I've got to miss my own thread! I'm leaving in a few minutes. Sorry if anyone has asked me a question -- I'll have to read the comments later!

This week on

"I know you are, but what am I..."

re: #71 irish rose

I didn't suggest anything.
Have a nice day.

No, you did.

You said that it was going to be that kind of thread only if I wanted it to be.

You are suggesting something. Are you going to explain it?

When I lived in Berkeley there used to be a self-appointed preacher on the campus there called Holy Hubert. It was a tossup whether he was full of the Holy Spirit or just plain crazy. He was there all day in Sproul Plaza yelling about sin and salvation. One day a guy on the roof of a nearby building yells down in a gruff voice, "Hubert! This is your God!" Without missing a beat Hubert yells back, "That's as close to heaven as you're ever gonna get, Sinner!"

re: #5 Killgore Trout

I wonder how long the 5 seconds guy stood out there. Hours?

All day.

re: #70 mama winger

A mixed bag of lovable floof. I am going to have a DNA rest run on him next week probably. Just to see what I'm up against :)

I'd guess there is Wheaten Terrier and Bearded Collie in him.
Would be very interested to hear that DNA test result.

Did I say he looks absolutely adorable and cuddlesom?

re: #80 buzzsawmonkey

And if they put a "Carbon Dating Game" on TV, I vow that I will not watch it.

I might watch Naked Carbon Dating.

re: #59 BulgarWheat

I am speaking in general, not necessarily about LGF.

re: #80 buzzsawmonkey

outstanding! heh and a double heh!

Creationists - being unintentionally funny since year zero.

re: #65 unrealizedviewpoint

Can we chat about it though? I promise not to ring your bell.

Of course. What bI am saying is that holding up mreligious signs generally makes one look like a crackpot.'
Pursuing a religious conversation on an unwilling person is palinly rude & demanded by no god.

Note: The guy can make a sign!

re: #89 yma o hyd

I'd guess there is Wheaten Terrier and Bearded Collie in him.
Would be very interested to hear that DNA test result.

Did I say he looks absolutely adorable and cuddlesom?

WOW - That's exactluy what I thought too - Wheaten Terrier mix!

re: #36 Charles

By the way, there is nothing essentially "Christian" about creationism. The Catholic Church, for example, has specifically renounced creationism (and intelligent design) and stated that Darwin's theory of evolution is not opposed to Christian faith.

Exactly, Charles. That's one of the reasons this whole "debate" is nuts.

Folks, only one side of this has ever tried making the teaching of the other illegal. And failing that, they ask for "equal time". It smacks of liberalism if you ask me. How different is asking for equal time for this from the so-called fairness doctrine? How different is it from the politicians and zealots who make anything contradicting global warming/climate change illegal?

re: #91 FoolsMate

Ok, fair enough.

re: #85 BabbaZee

This week on

"I know you are, but what am I..."

Hey Babba!

re: #87 Phocid

When I lived in Berkeley there used to be a self-appointed preacher on the campus there called Holy Hubert. It was a tossup whether he was full of the Holy Spirit or just plain crazy. He was there all day in Sproul Plaza yelling about sin and salvation. One day a guy on the roof of a nearby building yells down in a gruff voice, "Hubert! This is your God!" Without missing a beat Hubert yells back, "That's as close to heaven as you're ever gonna get, Sinner!"

my scale for folks (town cryers) like that are to weigh who they've saved against who they've driven farther away from the faith. They results are always negative...it doesn't work.

re: #86 LanceKates

I think you're spoiling for a fight, big time.
I'm not interested.

re: #6 Honorary Yooper

Well, he's in good company at UC Berkley with all the 9-11 Troofers and global warming fearmongers there.

Great point!

Like I said at the bottom of the report,

There are many aspects of the left-wing bias in Berkeley’s liberal arts departments that merit criticism — but insisting that the school’s world-class science departments abandon their fundamental principles is the wrong way to confront the problem.

I don't mind their Global Warming hysteria because it's inspiring the scientists at Lawrence Berkeley Lab to develop alternative energy sources that will wean us off of Saudi Oil. A good side effect of a demented popular delusion!

re: #95 Roger

Note: The guy can make a sign!

re: #99 mama winger

Hey!

re: #85 BabbaZee

This week on

"I know you are, but what am I..."

LOL!

re: #88 zombie

All day.

I'm fairly certain he had no other appointments LOL

re: #11 medaura18586

Zombie, if you are reading this, know that I responded to your email. I hope you can find it in the big stack you got.

I got it! Expect a reply within a month at the most! (Only 1,500 emails in line ahead of you!)

re: #104 BabbaZee

Hey!

I am hand impaired. How are you ?

re: #97 Honorary Yooper

It smacks of liberalism if you ask me. How different is asking for equal time for this from the so-called fairness doctrine?

Exactly, that's why Ben Stein is such an unlikely spokesman. Socialism has no place in the free market of ideas.

re: #101 irish rose

I think you're spoiling for a fight, big time.
I'm not interested.

Nope. Just asking what you meant.

What was it you meant?

re: #12 Ben Hur

(and I have manned check points)

You sexist pig! What about the female soldiers? Do they woman checkpoints? You should have said that you personed checkpoints.

/feminist moonbat

re: #82 LanceKates

leaving the eternity question out of it, I'm just annoyed that people who believe in Creation (not all christians do) are belittled by people who do not....

I don't walk up to people who believe in Evolution and say "What a stupid person you are. You're no different than A Troofer or the Terrorists."

And yet, I've had people say that of me. For believing that God Created.<