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Vietnam Springs Into Action, Fights Terrorism

Thu, May 8, 2008 at 9:11:09 am PDT

The Communist government of Vietnam would like us all to know that they are committed to counter-terrorism. They said this at a meeting of the United Nations Security Council, of which they are a member.

Vietnam is committed to counter-terrorism and the non-proliferation of mass destruction weapons under international treaties to which it is a party and resolutions of the UN Security Council.

Deputy Permanent Representative of Vietnam to the UN Ambassador Hoang Chi Trung delivered the statement at the open debate of the Security Council on the work of the 1267 Committee, the Counter-Terrorism Committee and the 1540 Committee, in New York on May 6.

Since becoming a member of the UN Security Council, Vietnam has made constructive contributions to the work of these three committees, Trung said. He particularly noted Vietnam’s assumption of the vice chairmanship of the Counter-Terrorism Committee.

And to demonstrate their dedication to fighting terrorism in all its forms, they also announced today that they’re charging a Vietnamese American and two Vietnamese nationals with terrorism for distributing pamphlets.

HANOI, Vietnam - A Vietnamese-American and two Vietnamese nationals will be put on trial on charges of terrorism for allegedly planning to distribute anti-government pamphlets in Vietnam, an official said Thursday.

This is the outcome of a deliberate, sustained effort by repressive regimes to redefine the concept of “terrorism,” so that it includes any activity the regimes don’t like. And it’s being enabled by the corrupt UN, of course.

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1 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:12:28am

I guess they believe the pamphlet is mightier than the car bomb.

2 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:12:57am

Pamphlets = terrorism? O-kay.

3 WitchDoctor  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:13:14am

Irony meter pegged!

4 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:13:33am

I guess someone could be terrorized by a nasty paper cut.

5 rawmuse  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:14:34am

Vietnam and Cuba are the twin disgraces of my generation.
To think of what could have been.

6 Ojoe  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:15:25am

East is East
And West is West
And never the twain shall meet

Rudyard Kippling

7 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:15:43am

Well, the UN does think countries would be afraid of their "strongly worded letters".
Come to think of it, that is more frightening than the UN "peacekeepers", unless you're the ones the UN is supposed to protect. Then, the "peacekeepers" can be pretty frightening.

8 X-ray  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:16:17am

Commies have always been more worried about ideas getting out too the masses than the actual lives of the masses.

9 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:16:26am

Makes sense.... Maybe they'll line up on Barack's side if he is elected...

10 bosforus  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:16:31am

They may take our pamphlets, but they will never take our freedom!

11 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:16:52am

Communism
Terrorizing people daily.

12 Karagush  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:17:19am

well if you thik of it a strongly worded letter is just one piece of paper. Pamphlets are like a whole stack of strongly worded letters and you give them to EVERYBODY. Personally I am shaking in my cowboy boots at the very thought of it.

13 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:17:29am
14 Rednek  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:17:37am

Wait a few minutes and the UN will declare offensive cartoons to be terrorism.

15 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:17:38am

re: #5 rawmuse

Vietnam and Cuba are the twin disgraces of my generation.
To think of what could have been.

And let's hope that Iraq doesn't become a more recent disgrace.
Vote for McCain. Hold your nose if you have to, but vote for him instead of the surrender party's candidate.

16 bosforus  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:18:11am

Actually, when I was a missionary, I learned how afraid people can be of pamphlets. :)

17 storagemanager  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:18:34am
MEXICO CITY — An official says the acting chief of Mexico's federal police has been shot dead.

The Public Safety Department says Edgar Millan Gomez was shot 10 times and died hours later in a Mexico City hospital. Two of his bodyguards were wounded.

A police official who is not authorized to give his name says Millan Gomez had been temporarily heading the federal police for a month.

Police have arrested a suspect but have not determined a motive for the pre-dawn attack Thursday. The official said police were investigating possible drug links.

I am thinking MS-13 [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

18 MandyManners  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:18:41am

Is this a joke?

19 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:18:42am

They must have taken their definition of Terrorist from the MSM, you know, one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. His pamphlets terrorized the Commies in the Vietnamese Government.

20 haakondahl  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:19:12am
HANOI, Vietnam - A Vietnamese-American and two Vietnamese nationals will be put on trial on charges of terrorism for allegedly planning to distribute anti-government pamphlets in Vietnam, an official said Thursday.

Wonder what they'll think of President McCain, who distributed anti-government Bomblets in Hanoi?

21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:19:38am

Terrorism is become another meaningless term like "Hate Speach" and "Human Rights" due to us allowing thugs and dictators to set its definition.

22 bryantms  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:20:05am

Apparently it depends on your perspective...

23 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:20:29am

Chau Pew Dung says Communism = Bullshit.

24 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:20:57am

re: #12 Karagush

well if you thik of it a strongly worded letter is just one piece of paper. Pamphlets are like a whole stack of strongly worded letters and you give them to EVERYBODY. Personally I am shaking in my cowboy boots at the very thought of it.

Looked at your avatar, those aren't traditional cowboy boots....

/ Just sayin'

25 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:21:33am

re: #16 bosforus

Actually, when I was a missionary, I learned how afraid people can be of pamphlets. :)

My family was missionaries in Iran. The Shah had a law against pamphleteering. He fear was communist material. However once we struck up a conversation we could give our new friend anything. Once the Iranians knew we spoke Persian we had lots of friends.

26 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:21:45am

re: #18 MandyManners

Not for the poor arrestee...

27 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:21:47am

I love it!

"see that man with the pamphlets?! Grab him! No! No! Not the ones in masks with the Aks and the c-5, the American, stupid!"..

/amazing

28 AMER1CAN  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:22:13am

Correction: "...allegedly planning to distribute anti-government pamphlets..."

29 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:22:18am

self deleted

30 JohnnyReb  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:22:20am

I guess they could sorta be terrorist pamphlets if the were saying to use force to overthrow the government or something, maybe bombing government buildings or some such, but I doubt it.

Wish we could see one of the pamphlets.

31 pat  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:22:26am

Fascinating and very lengthy special edition of The Economist devoted to Vietnam a week ago. They are really trying over there. A way to go, but they are trying to become a respected member of nthe world community.

32 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:23:37am

re: #17 storagemanager

I am thinking MS-13 [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Hell, it could have been his own guys. There was a news story in San Diego in the last week about how a police safe house in TJ was assaulted by dozens of men and the police chief ordered units NOT to respond to the distress calls.

33 Seraphym  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:23:52am

So, the modern Left (a.k.a. Marxists/Communists in waiting), love the Vietnamese government so much that, throughout the second-half of the 60s and up through today, they publically defend them in our own city streets by ... passing out anti-American government pamphlets.

I would assume the cognitive dissonance would give them all migraines, but that would require me to reject all evidence pointing to their patented lack of anything approaching rational analysis on the issues.

Reminds me of that old joke: An American and a Soviet are talking about freedoms in their respective countries. The American says "I can stand in the middle of my nation's capitol and criticize the US President all I want, and nothing will happen to me." To which the Soviet replies, "So can I."

Oh, and LOL at Bosforus!

34 MandyManners  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:24:25am

re: #20 haakondahl

Wonder what they'll think of President McCain, who distributed anti-government Bomblets in Hanoi?

HA!

35 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:24:33am

re: #31 pat

Fascinating and very lengthy special edition of The Economist devoted to Vietnam a week ago. They are really trying over there. A way to go, but they are trying to become a respected member of nthe world community.


respected by whom? Other Commies? gimmee a break....

36 storagemanager  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:24:43am

re: #32 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hell, it could have been his own guys. There was a news story in San Diego in the last week about how a police safe house in TJ was assaulted by dozens of men and the police chief ordered units NOT to respond to the distress calls.

wow

37 psaturn  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:25:00am

So that is why they joined anti terrorism now! They were terrorized by Democracy!

38 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:25:10am

And the moonbats here in America claim that they are oppressed and living in a fascist state, while marching freely in the streets waving communist banners.

It's beyond ironic, it's lunacy.

39 Charles  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:25:30am

This is the outcome of a deliberate effort by repressive regimes to redefine the concept of "terrorism" to include any activity the regimes don't like. And it's being enabled by the corrupt UN, of course.

40 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:25:32am

So? That's just like the police state that Bush has established in his fight against "terrorism." I mean, look how many people have been censored by him - George Clooney, The Dixie Chicks - they never shut up about how they're always being censored!
/

41 bosforus  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:26:04am

re: #25 jcm

Were you in Iran as well? Did your family ever feel in danger? Sounds like a pretty fascinating experience.

42 tfc3rid  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:27:10am

Okay...

Well, Ummm, sure...

43 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:27:27am

re: #20 haakondahl

Wonder what they'll think of President McCain, who distributed anti-government Bomblets in Hanoi?

You mean back during the American Governments genocide against the yellow man? McCain = Mchitler (assuming he wins).

/moonbat mantra preview.

44 gman  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:27:29am
The three were arrested last November at a house in Ho Chi Minh City along with Truong Van Ba, an American, and Nguyen Thi Thanh Van, a French national. Authorities allegedly found them preparing to circulate anti-government pamphlets on behalf of Viet Tan, a California-based pro-democracy group that Vietnam considers a terrorist organization.

They were going to terrorize those commies with democracy.
The horror!

45 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:28:39am

re: #40 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

So? That's just like the police state that Bush has established in his fight against "terrorism." I mean, look how many people have been censored by him - George Clooney, The Dixie Chicks - they never shut up about how they're always being censored!
/

Lefty dictionary...
Criticism is censorship.
Disagreement is hate speech.

46 Ma Sands  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:29:32am

re: #30 JohnnyReb

Viet Tan, a California-based pro-democracy group that Vietnam considers a terrorist organization...says it promotes nonviolent political change in Vietnam, and U.S. Ambassador Michael Michalak has said he has seen no evidence the group is engaged in terrorism.

47 TalkinKamel  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:29:48am

re: #33 Seraphym

I used to live in the OC, home to the largest concentration of Vietnamese refugees in the US (at .least, when I last checked the stats), and I can tell you these refugees do NOT love communism, or the Communists.

It's funny, in a black sort've way, to read left-wing local free papers, such as the OC Weekly, and watch all the hip young editors get their collective panties in a bunch about stories where the citizens of Little Saigon protest against Chairman Mao flags displayed in their town, or Communist newspapers. Why, what's with these people? Don't they know they're supposed to be RESPECTFUL of the glorious peoples' gummint? Hey, they're oppressing freedom of speech, that's what they're doing! (It's hilarious to watch over-the-hill hippies suddenly get all law 'n order, call-the-cops, when the group protesting is one they disagree with.)

By the way, don't have the details in front of me, but another problem Little Saigon may be facing is the fact that Vietnam might demand that some of them be "repatriated", and, since some of them might not be here 100% legally, the American government might go along with this. (California won't, however, go after the Mexican gangs here.)

As I said, I'm unsure of the details; I'll try and look it up later.

48 SusanL  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:31:06am

Based on what I see in the MSM, we (the USA) are the only terrorists out there.

A twisted sick part of me (we all have them) really wishes we could treat these people (protesters, Hollywood, etc.) the way they say we do. After everything they have said and done, it would do my America loving heart good to see Sean Penn and his buddies tossed in prison for sedition. To see code pink arrested for blatant falsehoods and slander. I could go on and on.

I do need to get a grip though. Apparently Iron Man isn't anti-American? I just assume anything they produce as the ultimate goal of subverting the USA.

Work calls. Everyone have a terrific day.

BBL

Susan

49 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:31:33am

re: #39 Charles

This is the outcome of a deliberate effort by repressive regimes to redefine the concept of "terrorism" to include any activity the regimes don't like. And it's being enabled by the corrupt UN, of course.

Exactly. By giving these regimes a "legitimate" venue, they are masking horrific acts and policies as part of their culture to be embraced.

The time of the UN is over. It has become the greatest enabler of pain and suffering in the history of the world.

50 pat  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:32:14am

Speaking of McCain/Vietnam, O'Reilly talked about that Kos and Huffington Post commentary that said McCain was never tortured and was a collaborator. It occurred to me that is an odd observation. I thought all the lefties wished to collaborate with the Cong, and frolic about the AA guns.

51 TalkinKamel  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:32:41am

Communist governments are terrorist by definition.

52 TalkinKamel  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:33:43am

re: #50 pat

They did, but they really, really wish the rest of us would just forget about that now.

(They also wish all those (*(&&^^%%& counter-revolutionaries in Little Saigon would just shut up already!)

53 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:33:44am

re: #49 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


The time of the UN is over. It has become the greatest enabler of pain and suffering in the history of the world.

NO Kragar! Is ya ignant? Everbody knows that's Gitmo! Aljezzera said so...

/////////////////////////////////////////////////

54 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:33:52am

re: #50 pat

Speaking of McCain/Vietnam, O'Reilly talked about that Kos and Huffington Post commentary that said McCain was never tortured and was a collaborator. It occurred to me that is an odd observation. I thought all the lefties wished to collaborate with the Cong, and frolic about the AA guns.

Well, you see, McCain's captors never forced panties on his head, or pointed and laughed at a naked pyramid he was in. So he was never actually tortured.

/MOONBAT OFF

55 MandyManners  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:35:26am

re: #47 TalkinKamel

Vietnam might demand that some of them be "repatriated", and, since some of them might not be here 100% legally, the American government might go along with this

WTF? If McCain wins, I don't see this happening at all.

56 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:35:37am
This is the outcome of a deliberate, sustained effort by repressive regimes to redefine the concept of “terrorism,” so that it includes any activity the regimes don’t like. And it’s being enabled by the corrupt UN, of course.

Following Bunta's lead.

Also similar to how any dissent in Paliland is "collaboration."

57 MES41067  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:36:16am

Well now that they have caught THE(both of them) terrorists the whole world can breath easy now.Thank God.

58 chinesearithmetic  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:36:21am

.Fascinating and very lengthy special edition of The Economist devoted to Vietnam a week ago. They are really trying over there. A way to go, but they are trying to become a respected member of nthe world community.

Devoted appears to be the right word.

59 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:36:24am

re: #55 MandyManners

WTF? If McCain wins, I don't see this happening at all.


don't get me started....

60 Silhouette  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:36:55am

Information in the hands of slaves is dangerous to the masters.

/how many troofers lurking think this is about McBushHitlerburton?

61 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:37:19am

Bunta = Bush Junta

62 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:37:20am

re: #56 Ben Hur

Following Bunta's lead.

Also similar to how any dissent in Paliland is "collaboration."

Why repressive regimes suck.

63 Dianna  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:37:22am

re: #18 MandyManners

Not intentionally.

64 shug  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:38:00am

The UN sides with whoever pays the highest bribes

except for Israel and the USA. They still take their money but give them nothing for it

65 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:38:41am

re: #47 TalkinKamel

You live in OC?...Next weekend there is going to be an anti-Israel demonstration in Anaheim. I wanted to go and take some pictures- it should be ugly - but I have another commitment.

Would you consider going?...I'll post the pictures at my site.

Here's the info:

May 18: Mass Protest for Palestine in Orange County
Mark 60th Year of Al-Nakba
End the Occupation! Support the Right of Return!
60 Years of Forced Exile - Time for Return!

Sunday, May 18, 2pm
512 S. Brookhurst St., Anaheim 92804
(Brookhurst & Orange)

The demonstration is actually going to be on the third day of a three day Pro-Palistinian "convention" at the Embassy Suites hotel...
6th Al-Awda Int'l Convention to Mark 60 Years of Palestinian Nakba
May 16-18, 2008, Anaheim, California

Friday-Sunday, May 16-18
Embassy Suites Hotel Anaheim South
11767 Harbor Blvd., Garden Grove, CA 92840

66 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:40:52am

No Vietnamese ever called me "Infidel."

67 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:41:24am
68 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:42:10am
69 Pyrocles  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:43:47am

You guys, including zombie, have such strong stomachs to attend those types of rallies. I could never do it!

re: #65 Ringo the Gringo

70 Sharmuta  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:43:52am
A Vietnamese-American and two Vietnamese nationals will be put on trial on charges of terrorism for allegedly planning to distribute anti-government pamphlets in Vietnam, an official said Thursday.

But to the warped mind of the American left- this doesn't even register. They are allowed to do much worse than this on the streets of America without repercussions and yet they still cry that they are the ones living in a police state while wearing t-shirts of the very people who actually would bring about the very police state they think they're living in.

Amazing.

71 Wm T Sherman  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:43:58am

OT.

From CNN story about the Myanmar cyclone disaster:

World Vision has 600 staff members based in Myanmar who have spread out to deliver 35 million tons of rice, 4,000 gallons of water plus diesel fuel for generators that run pumps. Clothing, blankets and tarpaulins have been handed out to people living in and around Yangon

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

That's an impressive amount of rice.

They have editors at CNN, don't they?

72 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:45:33am

re: #64 shug

The UN sides with whoever pays the highest bribes

except for Israel and the USA. They still take their money but give them nothing for it

WHORES of the Caliphellation!

73 MandyManners  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:46:39am

re: #71 Wm T Sherman

OT.

From CNN story about the Myanmar cyclone disaster:


[Link: www.cnn.com...]

That's an impressive amount of rice.

They have editors at CNN, don't they?

Is there even that much rice in the world?

74 pat  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:47:12am

re: #71 Wm T Sherman

LOL

75 debutaunt  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:48:23am

re: #71 Wm T Sherman

OT.

From CNN story about the Myanmar cyclone disaster:


[Link: www.cnn.com...]

That's an impressive amount of rice.

They have editors at CNN, don't they?

You talkin' about Burma?

76 Pyrocles  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:48:56am

In their thinking, if THEY aren't in complete control like they deserve to be, they are obviously being OPPRESSED. Everyone would logically agree with them if it weren't for diabolical propaganda, which MUST be silenced!

re: #70 Sharmuta

But to the warped mind of the American left- this doesn't even register. They are allowed to do much worse than this on the streets of America without repercussions and yet they still cry that they are the ones living in a police state while wearing t-shirts of the very people who actually would bring about the very police state they think they're living in.

Amazing.

77 WrathofG-d  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:48:58am

Charles is 100% correct with his last statement about how the word/term "terrorism" has been hijacked. You see it everywhere from AQ, to the Leftists, to the ISM, to Air America, to Pacifica, to the Gay Rights Movement, to Animal Cruelty, .....


OT:

Nachus

78 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:49:05am
79 irongrampa  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:49:13am

re: #73 MandyManners

Yes, Mandy-CNN has editors--they just don't EDIT.

80 redstateredneck  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:49:20am

re: #73 MandyManners

Is there even that much rice in the world?


Less than a month ago they said there was a shortage.

81 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:49:35am

re: #71 Wm T Sherman

OT.

From CNN story about the Myanmar cyclone disaster:


[Link: www.cnn.com...]

That's an impressive amount of rice.

They have editors at CNN, don't they?

Between that and the average tonnage of flour a single Pali consumes every day, no wonder there are food shortages.

82 Silhouette  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:49:41am

re: #71 Wm T Sherman

From CNN story about the Myanmar cyclone disaster:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

That's an impressive amount of rice.

They have editors at CNN, don't they?

How much rice was it that the PA said the average Gazan needed? Something like a half-ton a day. And Reuters never blinked, just reported. (or was it the AP?)

83 Seraphym  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:50:08am

re: #47 TalkinKamel

I've literally never met a Vietnamese who wasn't very nice, nearly over-enthusiastic in his/her manners or etiquette, and who didn't despise Communists (when the topic came up). As my father was in that war, it's been one of those impressions that has stuck.

Granted, I live in Florida, so I might not have had the experience to meet so many Vietnamese, but so far the ones I have met have all been very happy to be Americans, love democracy and hate what the commies did to their country.

It would be a shame to turn our backs on any of them. If any are illegal, it would be prudent to look at valid reasons to claim asylum, and maybe only fine them as a penalty (they still broke the law). Their situation, though, is nearly completely different than Mexicans who sneak back and forth at will for their own personal gains - and the solutions we provide should be different too. One would hope, at least.

~S~

84 Vinegar Joe  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:50:26am

The Vietnamese Communists are experts on the subject of terrorism.

"At the price of their hard-won experiences, our compatriots in the South realized that the fundamental trend of imperialism and its lackeys is violence and war; that is why the most correct path to be followed by the peoples to liberate themselves is revolutionary violence and revolutionary war. This path conforms strictly to the ethics and the fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism on class struggle, on the state and the revolution. Only by revolutionary violence can the masses defeat aggressive imperialism and its lackeys and overthrow the reactionary administration to take power." - General Vo Nguyen Giap

[Link: stinet.dtic.mil...]
[Link: history1900s.about.com...]
[Link: www.fullajahjane.com...]

85 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:50:31am
86 Glackinspeil  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:50:47am

Any lizards got a link to liveblogging from Beruit?

The sandmonkey usually has good stuff, but he has been missing for 2 days. Dave at irraellycool is also strangely silent.

87 ebb0ts  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:51:09am

re: #49 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


Amen

88 MrSilverDragon  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:51:24am

re: #67 buzzsawmonkey

I am curious, Buzz... are you perchance an English major? I'm always impressed with your responses, as well as your rewrites of songs. :)

89 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:51:56am

What about the terrorism against the trees, that gave their lives for the paper?!?

/naked tree climbers in berekeley

90 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:51:59am

Teacher's Bible row turns ugly......
Parents express concern about environment at school

Many Mount Vernon Middle School students have been vocal in their support of science teacher John Freshwater in his claims to a First Amendment right to display a Bible on his desk.
.....
“My daughter Arie told me about a Jewish child who brought his Torah to school when other students brought Bibles in support of Freshwater,” she continued. “He thought he was supporting freedom of religious expression, and the other kids just ripped him apart. ‘What are you doing?’ they asked. ‘You can’t support Mr. Freshwater, you’re Jewish.’ So they don’t get it.
....
Murdoch said one of Arie’s friends wore a T-shirt to school that read, “I don’t need to wear a special T-shirt to be a Christian.” That individual was reportedly pushed into the lockers and called a “stupid atheist b****.” That is not acceptable in Murdoch’s mind.

91 debutaunt  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:52:06am

re: #88 MrSilverDragon

I am curious, Buzz... are you perchance an English major? I'm always impressed with your responses, as well as your rewrites of songs. :)

He's an English General

92 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:52:19am

re: #71 Wm T Sherman

OT.

From CNN story about the Myanmar cyclone disaster:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

That's an impressive amount of rice.

They have editors at CNN, don't they?

A gentle request please; don't use "Myanmar" that is name imposed by a illegitimate thugocracy on the people of Burma.

93 Dad O' Blondes  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:52:38am

Pamphlets ?

Geez.

.

94 red satellite  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:52:56am

Don't want to terrorize the masses with 5 ounce pamphlets. That would cause massive panic in the streets. Thousands running from falling paper.

95 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:53:31am

It isn't just pro-democracy people that get arrested by the Communists in Vietnam.

96 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:54:00am

re: #93 Dad O' Blondes

Pamphlets ?

Geez.

.

Paper cuts, the terror of paper cuts. They are save the Vietnamese people from paper cuts.

97 Tigger2005  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:54:12am

re: #5 rawmuse

Vietnam and Cuba are the twin disgraces of my generation.
To think of what could have been.

Could have been much, much worse, if not for Reagan.

Of course, he was from an earlier generation.

The greatest one.

98 MrSilverDragon  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:54:20am

re: #91 debutaunt

He's an English General

Touché :)

99 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:54:38am
100 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:54:42am
101 4wheel  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:54:53am

Maybe Obama can talk to them.

102 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:55:18am

re: #71 Wm T Sherman

OT.

From CNN story about the Myanmar cyclone disaster:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

That's an impressive amount of rice.

They have editors at CNN, don't they?

Maybe this will be the beginning of the end for the junta.

103 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:55:28am

re: #39 Charles

This is the outcome of a deliberate effort by repressive regimes to redefine the concept of "terrorism" to include any activity the regimes don't like. And it's being enabled by the corrupt UN, of course.

Of course. To these regimes, and to the UN, Israel putting up a wall is "terrorism", while Hamas blowing up pizza parlors is "resistance",

The UN has lost all its moral authority. It should be obvious to anyone, once Libya got on the "human rights" council or whatever.

104 MandyManners  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:55:42am

re: #95 LanceKates

It isn't just pro-democracy people that get arrested by the Communists in Vietnam.

Very disturbing.

105 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:55:51am

re: #71 Wm T Sherman

deliver 35 million tons of rice, 4,000 gallons of water

Paging Jesus, miracle needed here. I think that is about 10% of the total yearly world production. They are going to need more water to cook it in.

[Link: www.foodmarketexchange.com...]

106 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:55:52am
107 Silhouette  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:56:31am

Yay, I don't have to get on the Burma-not-Myanmar soapbox today. The box if fully staffed by other lizards. Spreading the word...

/back to enforcing no-period-after-Dr in Dr Pepper

108 debutaunt  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:56:37am

re: #106 buzzsawmonkey

Tempting as it is, I do not have the time to write an entire parody of "I am the Very Model of a Modern Major-General" right now.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA

109 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:56:49am

re: #86 Glackinspeil

Try here

110 opnion  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:57:16am

These are the guys that John Kerry ran over to Paris to help during the peace talks. Classic treason

111 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:57:30am

re: #105 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Paging Jesus, miracle needed here. I think that is about 10% of the total yearly world production. They are going to need more water to cook it in.

[Link: www.foodmarketexchange.com...]

Maybe they're using islamic calculators.

/35 trillion muslims

112 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:57:42am

OT
Looked at the LGF dictionary this mornin', cause I hadn't looked at it in a couple of years. Yegads! The nodroG has been posting there. Talk about terminal LGF disease. Seems he has hisself a new blog, dedicated to his "brilliant" debunking of Mr. Johnson and LGF and complete with even more of his "brilliant" commentary on each post. It appears he started with posts way back in early 2005, and will move forward up to and including the day he was "spuriously" banned by Mr. Johnson for alleged anti-blah, blah, blah, ad nausea.

I had to laugh out loud, as his sickness is deep, and it is wide.

113 debutaunt  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:58:00am

re: #107 Silhouette

Yay, I don't have to get on the Burma-not-Myanmar soapbox today. The box if fully staffed by other lizards. Spreading the word...

/back to enforcing no-period-after-Dr in Dr Pepper

Can you add the correct spelling of separate to your enforcement list?

114 Seraphym  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:58:01am

All your pamphlets are belong to us.

115 Wm T Sherman  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:58:09am

re: #92 jcm

A gentle request please; don't use "Myanmar" that is name imposed by a illegitimate thugocracy on the people of Burma.

Understood.

116 haakondahl  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:58:10am

re: #109 Killgore Trout

Try here


On point, sir!

117 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:58:18am

re: #105 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Paging Jesus, miracle needed here. I think that is about 10% of the total yearly world production. They are going to need more water to cook it in.

[Link: www.foodmarketexchange.com...]

We've moved a CBG into the area, prepostioned a bunch of load C-130s and C-17s in Thailand.

The miracle needed is special delivery of the best aid possible.
A JDAM to the Junta.

118 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:58:48am

Hey All,
I know this is OT, but I found a great article on Israel's 60th birthday today...
[Link: www.humanevents.com...]

119 lawhawk  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:59:00am

re: #86 Glackinspeil

You've got to go with Gateway Pundit, From Beirut to Beltway, Beirut Spring, and Lebanese Political Journal among others (I also run coverage).

120 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:59:01am
121 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:59:33am
122 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:59:34am
123 Silhouette  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:59:35am

re: #113 debutaunt

Can you add the correct spelling of separate to your enforcement list?

Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a miracle worker.

On Israel, is the 60th anniversary the chocolate anniversary?

124 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:59:42am

re: #106 buzzsawmonkey

Tempting as it is, I do not have the time to write an entire parody of "I am the Very Model of a Modern Major-General" right now.

Slacker. I'll start you off:

I am the very model of a modern major general,
......(your turn, now that I've taken care of the intro).

125 Tigger2005  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:00:40am

Yet, people wearing Che Guevara t-shirts are fond of telling us that "violence never solves anything" and "you can't fight fire with fire!"

re: #84 Vinegar Joe

The Vietnamese Communists are experts on the subject of terrorism.

"At the price of their hard-won experiences, our compatriots in the South realized that the fundamental trend of imperialism and its lackeys is violence and war; that is why the most correct path to be followed by the peoples to liberate themselves is revolutionary violence and revolutionary war. This path conforms strictly to the ethics and the fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism on class struggle, on the state and the revolution. Only by revolutionary violence can the masses defeat aggressive imperialism and its lackeys and overthrow the reactionary administration to take power." - General Vo Nguyen Giap

[Link: stinet.dtic.mil...]
[Link: history1900s.about.com...]
[Link: www.fullajahjane.com...]

126 MandyManners  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:01:01am

re: #107 Silhouette

Yay, I don't have to get on the Burma-not-Myanmar soapbox today. The box if fully staffed by other lizards. Spreading the word...

/back to enforcing no-period-after-Dr in Dr Pepper

By golly, you're right! I have a can of it right in front of me and there is no period.

127 debutaunt  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:01:25am

re: #123 Silhouette

Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a miracle worker.

On Israel, is the 60th anniversary the chocolate anniversary?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA

128 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:01:48am

re: #113 debutaunt

Can you add the correct spelling of separate to your enforcement list?

Seprit?

129 itellu3times  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:02:25am

re: #39 Charles

This is the outcome of a deliberate effort by repressive regimes to redefine the concept of "terrorism" to include any activity the regimes don't like. And it's being enabled by the corrupt UN, of course.

It's the unavoidable result of the UN charter claiming that it is a world government.

No doubt in 1948 it was the idea that the Trilateral Commission would govern the planet. Not so much fun when it's Vietnamese generals and dessert camel herders, much less Russian or Chinese oligarchs.

130 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:02:28am

re: #121 jcm

He needs to take a little quiz.

I feel fairly certain he would come out on the YES end of that test, and I've never known anyone that eaten up with it.

131 WrathofG-d  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:03:14am

re: #127 debutaunt

OT:

Why no Israel's 60th thread?

I'd like to brag about how Israel has done more in 60 years than pretty much any other country has in 100s or 1,000s.

/oh guess I just did.

Pentium Chip, ISQ, Drip Irrigation anyone?

132 bosforus  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:03:15am

Oh boy, now they're fainting at Hillary speeches. No link, talk radio.

133 itellu3times  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:03:42am

re: #113 debutaunt

Can you add the correct spelling of separate to your enforcement list?

There's a rat in separate.
/Danny Dunn and the Something Machine, 1952

134 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:03:49am
135 debutaunt  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:03:54am

re: #128 coquimbojoe

Seprit?

There is a cult determined to spell it "seperate" - watch out for them.

136 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:04:25am

re: #132 bosforus

Oh boy, now they're fainting at Hillary speeches. No link, talk radio.

Oxygen deprivation from the vacuous droning?

137 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:04:28am

re: #130 maddogg

I feel fairly certain he would come out on the YES end of that test, and I've never known anyone that eaten up with it.

I demand more points, 120 just isn't enough for my genius!
/nodrog

138 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:04:44am
139 debutaunt  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:05:10am

re: #133 itellu3times

There's a rat in separate.
/Danny Dunn and the Something Machine, 1952

YES!

140 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:05:47am

re: #132 bosforus

Oh boy, now they're fainting at Hillary speeches. No link, talk radio.

That's her staffers, and it's due to hunger (she's out of money).

141 gop_patriot  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:05:50am

re: #111 Ward Cleaver

Maybe they're using islamic calculators.

/35 trillion muslims

HAHAHAHA

142 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:06:03am

re: #105 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Paging Jesus, miracle needed here. I think that is about 10% of the total yearly world production. They are going to need more water to cook it in.

[Link: www.foodmarketexchange.com...]


damn straight! when all that rice gets through swelling, they'll have a MUCH bigger mess than they have already! The good thing is you'll be able to see em from space...it's the country that looks like a giant Rice Krispy Treat!


:-D

143 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:06:21am
144 MandyManners  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:06:35am

re: #134 buzzsawmonkey

But are they throwing panties?

She is.

145 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:06:58am

re: #136 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oxygen deprivation from the vacuous droning?

Yes, hypoxia.

146 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:07:05am

re: #135 debutaunt

There is a cult determined to spell it "seperate" - watch out for them.

I will ceparait my self from them.

147 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:07:13am

re: #133 itellu3times

There's a rat in separate.
/Danny Dunn and the Something Machine, 1952

Ha! I think I read every Danny Dunn book ever written. My dad used to call them Donnie Doughnut and His Electric Grandmother.

148 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:07:16am
149 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:07:36am

re: #144 MandyManners

She is.

Plaid boxers, or Y-fronts?

/inquiring minds want to know

150 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:08:06am

re: #104 MandyManners

Very disturbing.

But, saddly, not suprising.

Happened alot in the former USSR as well.

And in China.

and in muslim countries.

151 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:08:12am

re: #142 paxnhymn

Maybe they are planning a big wedding reception.

152 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:08:28am

re: #148 song_and_dance_man

XL thongs

I am.

153 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:08:47am
154 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:09:03am

re: #142 paxnhymn

damn straight! when all that rice gets through swelling, they'll have a MUCH bigger mess than they have already! The good thing is you'll be able to see em from space...it's the country that looks like a giant Rice Krispy Treat!


:-D

How 'bout we just send Uncle Ben?

155 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:09:25am

I'm sure the KosKidz are quite impressed with Vietnam's actions. "Charging conservatives with 'terrorism' for expressing their point of view... why, that's a GREAT idea! Why didn't we think of that?"

156 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:09:26am

re: #143 song_and_dance_man

Wasn't he at 167 or was that another?

That was another, 167 did last long, we just couldn't keep up with the dizzying intellect and it left us sub-intelligence minions to wallow in our stupidity.

Nodrog was around quite a while.

157 gop_patriot  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:09:26am

re: #131 WrathofG-d

OT:

Why no Israel's 60th thread?

I'd like to brag about how Israel has done more in 60 years than pretty much any other country has in 100s or 1,000s.

/oh guess I just did.

Pentium Chip, ISQ, Drip Irrigation anyone?

Hi, Wrath, hope you're well.
I didn't know that Israelis invented drip irrigation! Very cool. :)

158 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:09:37am

re: #147 Occasional Reader

Ha! I think I read every Danny Dunn book ever written. My dad used to call them Donnie Doughnut and His Electric Grandmother.

I thought it was "Tom Swift and his Electric Grandmother"

159 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:09:42am
160 vxbush  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:09:57am

re: #123 Silhouette

Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a miracle worker.

On Israel, is the 60th anniversary the chocolate anniversary?

Honey, EVERY anniversary is the chocolate anniversary.

161 bosforus  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:10:09am

re: #138 song_and_dance_man

Men or women?

Didn't say. But hillary seemed more than a little eager to offer her personal help with her very own bottle of water. She's so nice.

162 Silhouette  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:10:13am

Just don't let the poor widdle burds eat da rice.

/urban legend.

163 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:10:14am

re: #158 Kosh's Shadow

I thought it was "Tom Swift and his Electric Grandmother"

Electric Rifle?

164 sattv4u2  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:10:21am

re: #155 Occasional Reader

I'm sure the KosKidz are quite impressed with Vietnam's actions. "Charging conservatives with 'terrorism' for expressing their point of view... why, that's a GREAT idea! Why didn't we think of that?"


They have ,,, it's called The Fairness Doctrine ,,,

165 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:10:23am

re: #123 Silhouette

Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a miracle worker.

On Israel, is the 60th anniversary the chocolate anniversary?

No, that would be the" Why in the hell have we put up with these Jordanian Gypsies shit for so long" anniversary.

166 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:10:36am

re: #161 bosforus

Didn't say. But hillary seemed more than a little eager to offer her personal help with her very own bottle of water. She's so nice.

Bong water?

167 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:10:36am

re: #155 Occasional Reader

I'm sure the KosKidz are quite impressed with Vietnam's actions. "Charging conservatives with 'terrorism' for expressing their point of view... why, that's a GREAT idea! Why didn't we think of that?"

I guess us Christians are just TERRIFYING!

Think I run over to KOS and yell BOOO!

168 Silhouette  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:10:38am

re: #156 jcm

That was another, 167 did last long, we just couldn't keep up with the dizzying intellect and it left us sub-intelligence minions to wallow in our stupidity.

Nodrog was around quite a while.

Are you trying to goad me into intelligent debate!?

169 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:10:58am

More liveblogging from Lebanon: Lebanese Political Journal

170 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:11:05am

re: #155 Occasional Reader

I'm sure the KosKidz are quite impressed with Vietnam's actions. "Charging conservatives with 'terrorism' for expressing their point of view... why, that's a GREAT idea! Why didn't we think of that?"

Because, by and large, liberals are unarmed.

171 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:11:28am
172 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:11:51am

re: #166 Ward Cleaver

Bong water?

nope. Dog water

/had to. couldn't help myself.

173 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:12:08am

re: #171 song_and_dance_man

I remember him and ignored his posts. I couldn't wait to miss him.

I always enjoyed telling him to Shaddap!

174 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:12:18am
Another friend who lives between International College and the lighthouse (Manara) just sent me a Facebook chat message:

Dude, it's f**kin scary. The snipers across from my house just got rocket launchers.
175 mikeinmd  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:12:24am

re: #38 Ringo the Gringo

And the moonbats here in America claim that they are oppressed and living in a fascist state, while marching freely in the streets waving communist banners.

It's beyond ironic, it's lunacy.

And the left in America screams "DISSENT IS PATRIOTIC".

Will they denounce this ?

Crickets.....

176 Daryl Herbert  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:12:30am

This is the outcome of a deliberate, sustained effort by repressive regimes to redefine the concept of “terrorism,” so that it includes any activity the regimes don’t like.

They learned how to do it from Western academics.

177 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:12:33am
178 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:12:49am

re: #156 jcm

That was another, 167 did last long, we just couldn't keep up with the dizzying intellect and it left us sub-intelligence minions to wallow in our stupidity.

Nodrog was around quite a while.

167.
Yep, that was the woman who attributed all evil to testosterone.

179 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:12:50am

re: #171 song_and_dance_man

I remember him and ignored his posts. I couldn't wait to miss him.

He did have some good posts, most of which were expressing sorrow at death of poster's family members.

Once, he stood up for two posters that a troll unnecessarily trashed.

It lead to the belief that there was never one poster, but a group of a few at a shared computer.

180 WrathofG-d  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:13:06am

re: #157 gop_patriot

Nachas for Israel!
/Yom Haledit Samaach.

181 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:13:14am
182 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:13:34am

re: #175 mikeinmd

And the left in America screams "DISSENT IS PATRIOTIC".

Will they denounce this ?

Crickets.....

It's right-wing dissent, so my guess is they won't.

183 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:13:55am

re: #168 Silhouette

Are you trying to goad me into intelligent debate!?

Heh!
*rolls up sleeves*

Don't mess with me I FAILED my IQ test that's how smart I am!

Bring it on!

/

184 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:14:00am

re: #181 song_and_dance_man

Her advisers probably said whipping out some smelling salts from her pant suit would be a bad move.

I'm not gonna touch that.

Nope.

185 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:15:12am

re: #184 Ward Cleaver

I'm not gonna touch that.

Nope.

i was thinking about ammonia caps then connected the dots......eeew!

need brain bleach!

186 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:15:17am

re: #178 maddogg

167.
Yep, that was the woman who attributed all evil to testosterone.

I'll give 167 one thing, it was more entertaining than most trolls.

187 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:15:23am

We're talking 'bout the nodroG, he's probably short stroking all over his Mama's basement.

188 Shug  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:15:24am

re: #89 Ward Cleaver

What about the terrorism against the trees, that gave their lives for the toilet paper?!?

/


thank god sheryl crow uses only 1 square

189 Maximu§  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:15:39am

I'm shocked that Christian missionaries were not included on their "terror-list"

Commie A**H***s!

190 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:15:56am

You may already have mentioned this somewhere, but if losers like DJhimmy Carter and George McGovern are trashing Hillary and trying to push her to the sidelines, she's doing something right in my book.

Hillary stands athwart history yelling STOP~! As William F. Buckley did.

191 redstateredneck  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:16:07am

Has then been posted?
Obama's new pastor.

How about a pastor who calls the biblical patriarch Abraham a “pimp” and says Noah and Moses were thugs, Jesus has a “soft spot for thugs,” and everyone has some “thug proclivities.”


/the hip hop pastor

192 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:16:16am
193 loppyd  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:16:28am

OT: Hope this isn't a repeat.

German Court Rules Muslim Girl Can't Skip Swimming Lessons

A German court on Wednesday ruled that a Muslim student cannot skip co-ed swimming lessons because her religion prohibits form-fitting clothes that do not cover her body, The Local reported.

194 gop_patriot  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:16:48am

re: #180 WrathofG-d

Very good link, thank you! I'm sending it along. :)

195 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:17:24am

re: #192 song_and_dance_man

Something like that.

Though, I guess since the ban, it appears there is only one voice.

So maybe there were a few, but only one was off their rocker enough to continue the crusade.

196 Shug  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:17:34am

re: #193 loppyd

OT: Hope this isn't a repeat.

German Court Rules Muslim Girl Can't Skip Swimming Lessons


Religion of drowning!

197 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:17:49am

re: #192 song_and_dance_man

A nest of Nodrogs. Hmmm...

the Nodrog collective half-mind....

198 bosforus  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:18:17am

re: #181 song_and_dance_man

Her advisers probably said whipping out some smelling salts from her pant suit would be a bad move.

LOL

199 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:18:19am

re: #191 redstateredneck

Has then been posted?
Obama's new pastor.

/the hip hop pastor

Does Barry refer to him, "Otis, my man!"?

200 mikeinmd  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:18:32am

re: #193 loppyd

OT: Hope this isn't a repeat.

German Court Rules Muslim Girl Can't Skip Swimming Lessons

Wear a burqini, problem solved...

201 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:18:54am

re: #191 redstateredneck

Has then been posted?
Obama's new pastor.

/the hip hop pastor

The idiot pastor

202 Shug  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:19:22am

A nest of nodroGs
A hive of stupidity
Most of them are queens

203 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:19:28am

re: #193 loppyd

OT: Hope this isn't a repeat.

German Court Rules Muslim Girl Can't Skip Swimming Lessons


awww hell no! let em swim some laps in that damn burkha...I bet if they don't effing drown they'll shut the hell up!

204 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:19:34am

re: #191 redstateredneck

Has then been posted?
Obama's new pastor.

/the hip hop pastor

Something tells me Otis ain't gonna rest in the bosom of Abraham.

205 debutaunt  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:19:44am

re: #201 coquimbojoe

The idiot pastor

Naw! Naw! Naw!

206 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:20:24am
207 redstateredneck  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:20:30am

re: #199 Ward Cleaver

Does Barry refer to him, "Otis, my man!"?

The n word is the preferred term of endearment in the hip hop world.

208 WrathofG-d  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:20:30am

re: #200 mikeinmd

OT:
Yes that would for sure help.

But I think the Germans are wrong to force this Muslim girl to swim. It is oppressive. They should allow her not to swim. Its not as if the girl is trying to get swimming outlawed to conform to Islam, but simply asking that the school respect her religous beliefs.

I side with the Muslim on this one.

209 loppyd  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:20:31am

re: #191 redstateredneck

Has then been posted?
Obama's new pastor.

/the hip hop pastor

Don't mess with Tupac. He is viewed as a prophet by many....

Makes me sick.

210 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:20:39am

re: #203 paxnhymn

She probably fears for her head if she were to ditch the burkha.

211 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:20:46am

re: #197 paxnhymn

the Nodrog collective half-mind....

only counted as half a mind when added together, based on the posting history of the now banned one.

212 loppyd  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:21:15am

re: #203 paxnhymn

awww hell no! let em swim some laps in that damn burkha...I bet if they don't effing drown they'll shut the hell up!

Well this girl is 12 and she was used as a pawn so I feel kind of sorry for her.

213 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:21:33am

re: #209 loppyd

Don't mess with Tupac. He is viewed as a prophet by many....

Makes me sick.

"And Jesus said, 'Yo, check it out, let the dead bury the dead.'"

/not

214 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:21:39am

re: #205 debutaunt

:-)

215 MandyManners  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:21:55am

re: #193 loppyd

OT: Hope this isn't a repeat.

German Court Rules Muslim Girl Can't Skip Swimming Lessons

the state’s responsibility to educate the girl outweighed an infringement on her religious freedom

I'm not entirely comfortable with that. What if a Christian or Jewish family wanted to opt out of sex ed classes and the state determined it had more right to educate the child than the parents?

216 loppyd  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:22:23am

BBL

217 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:22:26am

Holy Cow, I'm the picture at the top of the Drudge Report at the moment.

It's compilation of Hillary photos a fan made using pictures from the Really Truly Hillary Gallery. He sent it to me and posted it on his own site.

Somehow it entered the blogosphere unattributed and ended up at Drudge.

The full-color, full-size verison is here, at the bottom of the Hillary Gallery.

218 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:22:32am

re: #206 song_and_dance_man

heh.

The vision I had was a computer in a computer lab that a small group of students all used. When they had a few minutes to kill they'd come here.

SOmeone, I forget who, theorized that there were as many as 4 distinct personalities, ranging from somewhat rational to wholly whacked out.

One common thread was support for John Kerry.

219 Shug  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:22:35am

re: #215 MandyManners

Private school

220 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:22:38am

re: #168 Silhouette

Are you trying to goad me into intelligent debate!?

My favorite troll line ever ever.

221 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:22:47am

re: #209 loppyd

Don't mess with Tupac. He is viewed as a prophet by many....

Makes me sick.

Tupac? What's that 1/3 of a six pac?

222 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:22:48am

re: #210 maddogg

She probably fears for her head if she were to ditch the burkha.


hmmmm...choices, choices. Drowning or honor killing?


/what a belief system!

223 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:23:02am

Hariri calls for Negotiations with Nassrallah

Future Movement and March 14 parliamentary majority leader Saad Hariri just called for one on one talks with Hezbollah Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah.

224 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:23:15am

This is way off topic, but I'll take my chances.

The fair city of Baltimore is going to commission a bust for Frank Zappa.

Thought maybe Charles, Babba, and other Lizards would appreciate hearing this.

[Link: www.wral.com...]

225 itellu3times  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:23:22am

re: #215 MandyManners

the state’s responsibility to educate the girl outweighed an infringement on her religious freedom

I'm not entirely comfortable with that. What if a Christian or Jewish family wanted to opt out of sex ed classes and the state determined it had more right to educate the child than the parents?

Well that would be different!

/don't ask me why

226 MandyManners  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:23:44am

re: #219 Shug

Private school

Not all can afford it.

227 Shug  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:23:46am

re: #217 zombie


he should at least link you

or would your site fry instantly?

228 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:23:46am

#215 Mandy manners

Swimming is an important life skill, like walking, only knowing how to swim might save your life.

To defend learning how to NOT sink, is indefensible.

229 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:23:52am

re: #222 paxnhymn

What happened to the islamic swimsuits?

full body swimsuits. We've had threads about it.

She can get one of those if she needs to.

230 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:23:54am

re: #217 zombie

Wow, congratulations!

231 Silhouette  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:24:02am

re: #193 loppyd

OT: Hope this isn't a repeat.

German Court Rules Muslim Girl Can't Skip Swimming Lessons

The underlying story in this is that, to Muslims, a 12-yr-old girl is considered likely to insight Muslim men to lust unless she covers up.

232 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:24:05am

re: #217 zombie

Time to call in the lawyers and sue Drudge's ass off!

233 redstateredneck  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:24:10am

re: #209 loppyd

Don't mess with Tupac. He is viewed as a prophet by many....

Makes me sick.


You must be confined by “bourgeois paradigms”.
;-)

234 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:24:18am

re: #221 jcm

Tupac? What's that 1/3 of a six pac?


naw man, that's when the wrap two packa Kool 100s in cellophane and make ya a deal....

235 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:24:26am

re: #223 Killgore Trout

Hariri calls for Negotiations with Nassrallah

He'll be dead or a pawn with 3 months.

236 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:24:37am

re: #215 MandyManners

the state’s responsibility to educate the girl outweighed an infringement on her religious freedom

I'm not entirely comfortable with that. What if a Christian or Jewish family wanted to opt out of sex ed classes and the state determined it had more right to educate the child than the parents?

They already do in the cases of those closed-minded christians who want to teach about abstinence.

237 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:24:55am

re: #215 MandyManners

I agree. But I can't help but feel good about the lack of dhimmitude shown by the court....

238 itellu3times  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:25:11am

re: #236 LanceKates

They already do in the cases of those closed-minded christians who want to teach about abstinence.

Or intelligent design.
/running and ducking

239 WrathofG-d  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:25:13am

re: #217 zombie

I like the pic of Hill and Natalie Portman......esp Ms. Portman's attire. ;)

240 redstateredneck  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:25:19am

re: #217 zombie

No photo credit?

241 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:25:30am

re: #223 Killgore Trout

Hariri calls for Negotiations with Nassrallah

I'd rather see a one-on-one between Nasrallah and a Hellfire. Or a JDAM.

242 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:25:44am

re: #231 Silhouette

The underlying story in this is that, to Muslims, a 12-yr-old girl is considered likely to insight Muslim men to lust unless she covers up.

I thought she was already too old for that.

243 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:25:47am

re: #231 Silhouette

Good point.

244 WrathofG-d  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:25:55am

re: #223 Killgore Trout

245 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:26:00am

re: #239 WrathofG-d

I like the pic of Hill and Natalie Portman......esp Ms. Portman's attire. ;)

You mean there's someone in the photo besides Natalie?

246 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:26:03am

re: #242 Kosh's Shadow

Oh snap!

247 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:26:13am

re: #238 itellu3times

Or intelligent design.
/running and ducking


LOL! firestarter!....

248 Shug  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:26:42am

re: #239 WrathofG-d

I like the pic of Hill and Natalie Portman......esp Ms. Portman's attire. ;)

I thought that was Natalie and Jar Jar Binks

249 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:27:20am

re: #238 itellu3times

well, they're just trying to 'set up a theocracy' . . . so it's ok to hate those people.

250 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:27:38am

re: #232 maddogg

Time to call in the lawyers and sue Drudge's ass off!

Maybe zombie can win his hat.

251 bosforus  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:27:42am

re: #227 Shug

Your comment led me to alexa.com, a website traffic ranking site. Check out the description for LGF.

Weblog covering issues dear to both conservatives and US liberals.

:)

252 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:27:55am

re: #239 WrathofG-d

I like the pic of Hill and Natalie Portman......esp Ms. Portman's attire. ;)

Can't you see the poor girl is cold!

or

TURKEY'S DONE!

253 itellu3times  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:28:13am

re: #231 Silhouette

The underlying story in this is that, to Muslims, a 12-yr-old girl is considered likely to insight Muslim men to lust unless she covers up.

Obviously, insight and incite mean the same in Muslim.

254 realwest  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:28:24am

Hey Y'all - glad to see America is eating right!

Papa John's surpasses $1 billion in online pizza sales

LOUISVILLE, Ky. - Sometimes during peak hours, the phones are silent in Andy Freitas' pizza restaurants, yet the cooks are busy keeping pace with hungry customers.

That's because orders are rolling in through the Internet.

"It's pretty amazing not to hear a phone ring on a busy night," said Freitas, an operating partner with the largest Papa John's franchisee in the Washington, D.C., market.

In the past seven years, Louisville-based Papa John's International Inc. has made a lot of dough from online ordering - more than $1 billion to be exact.

The nation's third-largest pizza delivery chain trumpeted the $1 billion milestone Wednesday, noting that its U.S. online sales have been growing at an average clip of more than 50 percent per year. In 2001, the chain's online sales totaled $20.4 million. Last year, its online sales approached $400 million.

[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]

255 Bobibutu  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:28:49am

re: #20 haakondahl

Wonder what they'll think of President McCain, who distributed anti-government Bomblets in Hanoi?

There will probably be an official apology al la the Japanese and their "accidentally" ramming JFK's PT-109 in WWII after he was inaugurated.

256 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:28:54am

Ah, notice how someone sliced off the bottom of the image to remove the "signature" of the guy who put it together. (Compare to original.) Booo! Hisss!

257 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:29:01am

re: #239 WrathofG-d

Technically, when raisins are being smuggled, its not 'attire'.

258 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:29:24am

re: #252 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LOLOLOL

259 Vergeltung  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:29:36am

re: #215 MandyManners

the state’s responsibility to educate the girl outweighed an infringement on her religious freedom

I'm not entirely comfortable with that. What if a Christian or Jewish family wanted to opt out of sex ed classes and the state determined it had more right to educate the child than the parents?

agreed. it is a bad sign when taken together with what that same government did to its home-schooling families. extremely nanny-state and EU-socialist indoctrination type thinking.

260 opnion  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:29:41am

re: #155 Occasional Reader

I'm sure the KosKidz are quite impressed with Vietnam's actions. "Charging conservatives with 'terrorism' for expressing their point of view... why, that's a GREAT idea! Why didn't we think of that?"


Back in the day, their spirtual forefathers(mothers) would parade down American streets with Viet Cong & NVA flags.
They would chant, "Ho, Ho, Ho Chi Minh, NLF is gonna win"
They were people like Barry's friends William Ayers & Bernadine Dohrn.
Vote for your crazy uncle, vote McCain!

261 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:29:44am

re: #256 zombie

Ah, notice how someone sliced off the bottom of the image to remove the "signature" of the guy who put it together. (Compare to original.) Booo! Hisss!

Thievin' bastards!

262 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:30:07am

re: #254 realwest

Papa John's also has a program to help vets disabled from the war on terror get set up with a franchise.

263 itellu3times  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:30:17am

re: #217 zombie

The full-color, full-size verison is here, at the bottom of the Hillary Gallery.

OMG!

264 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:30:24am

re: #262 LanceKates

Papa John's also has a program to help vets disabled from the war on terror get set up with a franchise.

Very cool!

265 Silhouette  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:30:26am

re: #253 itellu3times

Obviously, insight and incite mean the same in Muslim.

Dagnabbit, don't expose my ignorance when I'm being insightful!

266 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:30:53am

re: #227 Shug

he should at least link you

or would your site fry instantly?

I just sent him an email containing the full-color original and suggesting a link or attribution.

Don't count on it, though.

I wouldn't mind the traffic, whether or not it would fry my site!

267 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:31:17am
268 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:31:37am

re: #262 LanceKates

Papa John's also has a program to help vets disabled from the war on terror get set up with a franchise.

You thinking Little Caesars ? ?

269 galloping granny  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:32:09am

re: #236 LanceKates

They already do in the cases of those closed-minded christians who want to teach about abstinence.

And the state of Massachusetts already does that with gay rights education beginnning in kindergarten.

270 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:32:10am

re: #230 Killgore Trout

Wow, congratulations!

This is EXACTLY what I hoped would happen when I put the Hillary Gallery together. "Maximum spreading of embarrassing Hillary images." By hook or by crook.

It paid off.

271 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:32:35am

re: #248 Shug

I thought that was Natalie and Jar Jar Binks

Naw, thats not Jar Jar.

272 Maximu§  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:32:55am
273 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:33:01am
274 realwest  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:33:10am

re: #260 opnion With all due respect, those folks parading and chanting and all were not people like William Ayers & Bernadine Dohrn.
They were useful idiots and some down right traitors, but only a "special" few tried to kill Americans.
Just to keep the record straight.

275 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:33:43am

re: #232 maddogg

Time to call in the lawyers and sue Drudge's ass off!

I can't sue anybody over this. I didn't take the pictures. I didn't even create the mosaic! I just collected and posted them, and published the mosaic as a favor to the guy who created it as a "tribute" to the Gallery.

It's all pretty much in the public domain. I won't sue, but I did ask Matt for a link out of courtesy.

276 Shug  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:33:47am

re: #272 Maximu§

DNC Superdelegate wants $20 Million for his vote

How Nice.....

CHANGE!

277 WrathofG-d  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:34:00am

re: #268 unrealizedviewpoint

It makes more sense that a Corporate Hegamony named "little Caesars" would be contributing and supporting the Racist, Nationalist, Imperialist, war machine of the Nepotistic Bush Regime!

/leftist!

278 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:34:10am

re: #268 unrealizedviewpoint

You thinking Little Caesars ? ?

I'm sorry. You're right.

Little Ceasars. Not Papa Johns.

279 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:34:12am

re: #272 Maximu§

DNC Superdelegate wants $20 Million for his vote

How Nice.....

Isn't loyalty nice.

280 onslow  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:34:41am
281 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:34:47am

re: #269 galloping granny

And the state of Massachusetts already does that with gay rights education beginnning in kindergarten.

Nice. In CA they ruled that you don't have a right to educate your child, only licensed teachers can.

I hear that is being fought in a higher court though, thankfully.

282 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:35:01am

re: #275 zombie

Well I hope you get it, because you have earned it.

283 Vergeltung  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:35:28am

re: #269 galloping granny

And the state of Massachusetts already does that with gay rights education beginnning in kindergarten.

those poor kids... :(

284 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:36:02am

re: #240 redstateredneck

No photo credit?

Nope. That's Drudge for ya.

He may not even know where it originated. It's probably been circulating on the blogosphere. Someone went to the trouble of making it black-and-white, shrinking it down, and slicing off the signature from the bottom -- undoubtedly for the specific purpose of anonymizing it. It may have just ended in Matt's in-box unattributed.

285 mikeinmd  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:36:27am

re: #272 Maximu§

DNC Superdelegate wants $20 Million for his vote

How Nice.....

Ybarra wants every cent of the $20 million to go toward registering and educating eligible Mexican-American voters, who he calls the key to the white house.

Good Lord.

286 Shug  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:36:50am

re: #283 Vergeltung

those poor kids... :(

all I can say is that my kid would be giving them the education.

287 redstateredneck  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:37:02am

re: #280 onslow

South Florida lizard causes power outage.

I thought maybe it was gettinby, but she's in Tampa.

288 Maximu§  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:37:18am

re: #279 jcm

Isn't loyalty nice.

It looks to this old soldier like the "Superdelegates" are filthy Whores that sell their votes.

289 realwest  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:37:24am

re: #262 LanceKates Hey Lance, I didn't know that! Thank You Papa John's!

290 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:37:56am

re: #261 Ward Cleaver

Thievin' bastards!

Here's my original caption for it:

Someone took 32 of the pictures off this page and combined them into an unflattering Hillary mosaic -- which I'll present here for easy download for those who want as many Hillary pictures as possible in one handy package.

So, I do invite people to download it. But I didn't invite them to strip off all attribution!

291 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:37:59am

re: #277 WrathofG-d

It makes more sense that a Corporate Hegamony named "little Caesars" would be contributing and supporting the Racist, Nationalist, Imperialist, war machine of the Nepotistic Bush Regime!

/leftist!

Yep, supporting disabled veterans with a $68,000.00 credit towards the purchase of a franchise.

292 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:38:02am

re: #272 Maximu§

DNC Superdelegate wants $20 Million for his vote

How Nice.....

Hillary should offer him 20 million pesos, it would only be about $1.98.

293 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:38:14am

I'm going to track down the email from the guy who sent it to me and notify him.

294 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:38:20am

re: #288 Maximu§

It looks to this old soldier like the "Superdelegates" are filthy Whores that sell their votes.

Thats where the "Super" comes in!

295 opnion  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:38:37am

re: #193 loppyd

OT: Hope this isn't a repeat.

German Court Rules Muslim Girl Can't Skip Swimming Lessons


You have to feel a little sorry for the kid.
The bigger issue though is that, these primitives think that the outline of the female body will send men into fits and uncontrollable assaults.
They either have to assimilate or head to a more comfortable place.

296 realwest  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:38:58am

re: #256 zombie Hey zombie! Uh, who is the DanzFamily.com?!

297 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:39:10am

re: #289 realwest

Hey Lance, I didn't know that! Thank You Papa John's!

I'm wrong. It is LIttle Ceasars.

298 WrathofG-d  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:40:06am

re: #291 unrealizedviewpoint

That is actually amazing of them.

I was just poking fun at the fact that their name is "Little Caesars" and the fact that the Leftists like to couch this war and this administration in the construct of a Roman Imperalist Government and Army.

299 galloping granny  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:40:28am

re: #281 LanceKates

Nice. In CA they ruled that you don't have a right to educate your child, only licensed teachers can.

I hear that is being fought in a higher court though, thankfully.

That case has been the talk of the homeschool community nationwide. The court did not exactly rule that you don't have a right to educate your child and the family involved were not ordinary homeschool parents. They had enrolled their children in school (a ?charter as I recall), then kept the kids home most of the time and when brought up on truancy charges claimed that they were "homeschooling." Meanwhile they had complied with none of the state's requirements for homeschool families.

300 Shug  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:40:30am

re: #297 LanceKates

I'm wrong. It is LIttle Ceasars.

Mike Illitch is nice paying that money to disabled vets.

Like Gary Sheffield

301 Maximu§  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:40:43am

re: #292 maddogg

Hillary should offer him 20 million pesos, it would only be about $1.98.

Thats all this POS is worth, the only job Steven Ybarra should have is selling oranges on the freeway offramps.

302 gop_patriot  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:40:46am

re: #215 MandyManners

I agree with you.

303 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:40:46am

re: #293 zombie

I'm going to track down the email from the guy who sent it to me and notify him.

That pics been up a long time. Probably since noon pacific yesterday.

304 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:41:00am
305 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:41:23am

re: #295 opnion

They either have to assimilate or head to a more comfortable place.

That's the problem. We make it comfortable for them in the West, and then let them and our liberal bureaucracies turn our home into the shithole they left in the first place.

306 redstateredneck  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:41:36am

re: #288 Maximu§

It looks to this old soldier like the "Superdelegates" are filthy Whores that sell their votes.

But it's not like he wants it for himself. He's gonna use it to register and educate Mexican/American voters.

307 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:41:43am
308 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:41:53am

Hariri Finishes Speaking and Guns Start Again


Saad Hariri listed demands to Hezbollah: opening the roads, electing a president, keeping unity, etc.

His speech ended, and the gunfire picked up again. It isn't very bad, though. It is sporadic. There are no battles going on.

309 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:42:03am

re: #300 Shug

Mike Illitch is nice paying that money to disabled vets.

Like Gary Sheffield

I think any Vet gets a 10K credit. ?

310 galloping granny  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:42:20am

re: #283 Vergeltung

those poor kids... :(

Yup. And the poor father in Lexington who was banned from all school property in town, taken to court and prevented from voting (voting precincts are all on school property in Mass) because he dared to object . . .

311 debutaunt  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:43:21am

re: #297 LanceKates

I'm wrong. It is LIttle Ceasars.

Little Caesars?

312 WrathofG-d  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:43:49am

re: #306 redstateredneck

I think the most interesting part is his candid statement that "All Democrat delegates sell their vote one way or another".

ahhhhhh Democracy and the brave Democrat fight against the "culture of corruption".

313 opnion  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:43:55am

re: #274 realwest

With all due respect, tho
se folks parading and chanting and all were not people like William Ayers & Bernadine Dohrn.
They were useful idiots and some down right traitors, but only a "special" few tried to kill Americans.
Just to keep the record straight.


I hear ya & agree with you. Ayers & Dohrn were murders, not the same thing.
I am actually referring to an anti American mind set.
If you read General Giap, they were very encouraged by the protstors.
American deaths were an unintended consequence but totally foreseeable.

314 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:44:05am

OK, I just emailed the guy who pasted together the mosaic. I bet he'll be pissed!

315 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:44:28am

re: #311 debutaunt

Little Caesars?

316 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:44:30am

re: #299 galloping granny

That case has been the talk of the homeschool community nationwide. The court did not exactly rule that you don't have a right to educate your child and the family involved were not ordinary homeschool parents. They had enrolled their children in school (a ?charter as I recall), then kept the kids home most of the time and when brought up on truancy charges claimed that they were "homeschooling." Meanwhile they had complied with none of the state's requirements for homeschool families.

That explination is exactly where they say that you don't have a right to educate your child.

If you had a right to educate your child, why is it up to the state to set requirements for education?

The STATE has taken the authority and responsibility for education and, therefore, have the right.

If you don't follow THEIR rules on how to educate YOUR child, then you suffer for it.

If the right was the parent's, then it would work the other way around.

317 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:44:59am
318 opnion  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:45:13am

re: #305 Kreuzueber Halbmond

That's the problem. We make it comfortable for them in the West, and then let them and our liberal bureaucracies turn our home into the shithole they left in the first place.


True, but a court ruling like that is a push back.

319 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:46:12am

re: #317 buzzsawmonkey

There was a time that mailing yourself your work via the USPS could take the place of such things.

But the copyright agencies didn't like that as they didn't get money.

320 vxbush  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:46:12am

re: #280 onslow

South Florida lizard causes power outage.

Oh, dear. Poor Nodrog.

321 Vergeltung  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:46:40am

re: #310 galloping granny

Yup. And the poor father in Lexington who was banned from all school property in town, taken to court and prevented from voting (voting precincts are all on school property in Mass) because he dared to object . . .

I am so thankful for the outstanding parochial school my children attend. I live in NY, so, who knows how long we have until it becomes as bad as MASS. scary, really....

322 Maximu§  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:47:46am

re: #294 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thats where the "Super" comes in!

What a sick MFing system the DNC has created, its beyond crooked....it borders on criminal.

323 wolfie  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:48:49am

re: #191 redstateredneck

Has then been posted?
Obama's new pastor.

/the hip hop pastor

Thanks for finding that.
Thugs are "prophets." Why not? Terrorists are "resistance fighters."
It's that ol' "bourgeois paradigm" that is oppressive, just like pamphleteers are "terrorists." My head is spinning.

324 mikeinmd  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:49:32am

re: #272 Maximu§

DNC Superdelegate wants $20 Million for his vote

How Nice.....

You know, Hillary could do this on the cheap. $100,000.00 and investment advice from Terry McAuliffe. That's close to 20M.

325 galloping granny  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:49:32am

re: #316 LanceKates

That explination is exactly where they say that you don't have a right to educate your child.

If you had a right to educate your child, why is it up to the state to set requirements for education?

The STATE has taken the authority and responsibility for education and, therefore, have the right.

If you don't follow THEIR rules on how to educate YOUR child, then you suffer for it.

If the right was the parent's, then it would work the other way around.

The general premise seems to be that the state's responsibility to provide an education for all children also means that they have the duty to insure that all children receive an education. How much power the parents have over just what education the children receive and who they receive it from varies by state. In NH & Vermont, you have to inform the state that you are homeschooling and provide a written curriculum the first two years that you homeschool as well as provide an end of the year assessment. In California, the requirement is that you must register as a private school.

326 realwest  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:50:14am

re: #297 LanceKates Ah well then Thank You Little Ceasars !

327 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:50:17am

re: #323 wolfie

But, the important thing to note is that you are evil because you own a firearm legally.

328 galloping granny  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:51:02am

re: #317 buzzsawmonkey

Hope he registered the work with the Copyright Office, or he has no recourse.

Unless he specifically took each and every single one of the photos used to make the composite or got specific authorization in writing for each of them, he has no copyright and has in fact created a derivative work, for which HE can be sued by the copyright holders of the individual photos.

329 realwest  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:51:39am

re: #300 Shug Hi Shug!
Um, what about Gary Sheffield ?

330 Cygnus  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:52:16am

re: #71 Wm T Sherman

OT.

From CNN story about the Myanmar cyclone disaster:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

That's an impressive amount of rice.

They have editors at CNN, don't they?

so that's where all the world's rice is going.

331 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:52:44am

re: #296 realwest

Hey zombie! Uh, who is the DanzFamily.com?!

He's just a zombietime fan who sent me an email a while ago that said (paraphrasing): "I love your site! I collected 32 of the pictures from the Hillary Gallery and put them together into a mosaic. Will you please post it on your site for me? Thanks!" And so I did.

I don't really know much else about the guy. His Web site is here, but it's mostly just a personal family blog.. He's obviously a lizardoid sympathizer.

332 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:52:51am

re: #328 galloping granny

Unless he specifically took each and every single one of the photos used to make the composite or got specific authorization in writing for each of them, he has no copyright and has in fact created a derivative work, for which HE can be sued by the copyright holders of the individual photos.

So, then what you're saying is Drudge may be opening himself up to potentially 32 separate suits?

/s

333 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:53:11am

Fighting Breaks out again in Beirut

The bullets and RPGs are flying, again. There are sustained bursts, then quiet.

The RPGs make an interesting suction sound as they are fired.

It's dark. Oddly enough, many people in Hamra have their drapes open and lights on. That is surprising, but I guess shows that the situation is either not horribly bad, or that these people are just a bit ignorant.

Two separate friends both within two separate blocks in opposite directions just invited me to come over. Both assured me that the half a block in front of them are safe, but could not say anything about the rest of the journey.

It sounds like an RPG just landed on my street, though

334 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:53:19am

re: #325 galloping granny

Yup, I understand.

While I push for good education for children, I think the dependence upon the State has led, in too many states, to an inability to be independent of the state.

I understand the arguments brought up.... kids will be raised ignorant by parents who just don't care, etc.

However, given the graduation rates, the literacy rate and our pushing of radical left wing causes, I don't think I want the state to define what 'ignorance' is.

335 Silhouette  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:53:23am

Hillary-Mosiac Guy may or may not have legal ground, but, if he wants credit, Drudge still has the ethical responsibility to credit him.

Do what is right even if the law can't absolutely make you.

336 opnion  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:53:24am

re: #323 wolfie

Thanks for finding that.
Thugs are "prophets." Why not? Terrorists are "resistance fighters."
It's that ol' "bourgeois paradigm" that is oppressive, just like pamphleteers are "terrorists." My head is spinning.

"Otis, my man" This is the guy who was slapping Wright on the back during the God D_M America speech.
He has really 'pimped his pulpit" rapping tupac to the faithful.
Liberatin Theology, bull shit. This is not Christianity & the MSM cannot make it so.

337 Maximu§  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:53:32am

re: #330 Cygnus

so that's where all the world's rice is going.

Into the Rice-Rockets?

338 seekeroftruth  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:53:45am

Zombie - if you're still here - i found a link for you earlier. Not sure if would help you or not, but thought it might be of interest to you on your question of who was talking about Rev Wright first.
[Link: newsbusters.org...]

339 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:54:06am
340 Silhouette  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:54:07am

re: #330 Cygnus

so that's where all the world's rice is going.

Area 51

341 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:54:35am

re: #304 song_and_dance_man

Here's his blog where it appeared first.

Ah, thanks for finding that. And he says at the bottom of the post:

Hat tip zombietime.
342 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:55:23am

re: #340 Silhouette

Area 51

Hypersonic rice powered spy planes.

*don't ask me how I know*

343 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:55:46am
344 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:55:54am

re: #339 buzzsawmonkey

Sorry, that's an urban legend. It dates back to the days before 1978, when the current copyright law took effect.

Under the old 1909 law, you had to protect your common-law copyright before publication, and mailing something to yourself was proof that you had produced it by a certain time. A work had to be registered when published, and if it was not properly registered the work could go into the public domain.

The new copyright law, which took effect in 1978, abolished common-law copyright; copyright simply vested in the work once it was fixed in tangible form, so you did not have to worry about losing copyright to the public domain. But it has always been necessary to register the work in order to be able to enforce the copyright. And if you do not register within certain timelines--as a general rule, prior to infringement--you lose the right to claim statutory damages and attorney's fees, and are limited to claiming provable actual damages and profits. Which renders most work infringed in an editorial context that has not been registered prior to infringement not worth defending.

In short form: registration has always been necessary. Under the old law, a published work not registered, or not properly registered, could fall into the public domain. Under the new (current) law, one does not risk losing the copyright if one does not register--but one must register to enforce the copyright, and late (post infringement) registration entails loss of significant remedies.

What you describe is what I am referring to.

345 Cygnus  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:57:10am

re: #263 itellu3times

OMG!

That needs a warning label from the FDA.

346 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:57:12am

re: #323 wolfie

Thanks for finding that.
Thugs are "prophets." Why not? Terrorists are "resistance fighters."
It's that ol' "bourgeois paradigm" that is oppressive, just like pamphleteers are "terrorists." My head is spinning.

Are those lyrics from Tupac Shakur? Not surprising coming from one named after the Tupac Amaru terrorists in South America.

347 Cygnus  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:58:05am

re: #342 jcm

Hypersonic rice powered spy planes.

*don't ask me how I know*

Rove, you magnificent b*****d!

348 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:58:59am
349 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:59:19am

re: #345 Cygnus

That needs a warning label from the FDA.

Cured the hiccups I've had for the last three years.

/Just sayin'.....

350 realwest  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:59:53am

Hey Shug - are ya still out here? What's Gary Sheffield's connection to disabled vets?

351 VegasRick  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:00:29am

re: #340 Silhouette

Area 51

Don't look at me, I didn't get any of it.

352 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:00:43am

The US is by far the largest exporter of food in the world, with about 1/3 of all farmed acreage devoted to export. Tell you what folks, thats more power than all of our military put together, and we should damn sure use it.

353 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:01:57am

re: #317 buzzsawmonkey

Hope he registered the work with the Copyright Office, or he has no recourse.

Well, it's a compilation of photos taken by other people. Not sure he could copyright it.

In my case, my motivation for putting together the Gallery was to damage Hillary's carefully crafted public image, so I wanted the embarrassing pictures to be spread far and wide. So this is what I was hoping for, actually. It's not a money thing or a credit thing -- it's about making a difference politically. That's all. So I'm glad. A nod from Drudge would be nice, sure, but I'm OK with it either way.

It's a beautiful, prototypical example of the self-oroganizing power of the blogosphere:

- I put together the Hillary Gallery, and put out the call for submissions.
- Dozens of people send in wacky picturs of Hillary. I post them.
- A guy, of his own accord, makes a mosaic out of the pictures in the Gallery.
- Someone anonymizes the mosaic and spreads it around the Web
- Drudge picks it up and shows it to millions of people.

All these individuals, unknown to each other and working without central coordination, worked cooperatively together to make it happen.

An unstoppable political shapeshifter!

354 bosforus  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:02:40am

Work schmurk, I'm going to lunch.

355 haakondahl  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:03:05am

re: #272 Maximu§

DNC Superdelegate wants $20 Million for his vote

How Nice.....

Cheaper just to bump him off. The guy's an idiot.

356 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:04:11am
357 WrathofG-d  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:05:11am
358 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:05:12am
359 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:05:18am
360 redstateredneck  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:05:36am

re: #341 zombie

Hat tip zombietime.

cha-ching!

361 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:06:20am

re: #338 seekeroftruth

Zombie - if you're still here - i found a link for you earlier. Not sure if would help you or not, but thought it might be of interest to you on your question of who was talking about Rev Wright first.
[Link: newsbusters.org...]

Thanks. The Newsbosters article contains this line:

The record shows that publications such as the Chicago Tribune newspaper and Rolling Stone magazine had detected the controversial nature of Obama's church about the time he entered the presidential race, in early 2007.

The earliest comment about Obama and Trinity United was on LGF in December of 2006. First LGF posting was in early Feb 2007.

I still haven't found any earlier references yet, including that article.

362 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:07:09am
363 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:07:16am
364 haakondahl  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:07:33am

You guys sounds like a bunch of Democrats, whinging about lawsuits and such. If Drudge won't give a hat tip, then he's a mangy mutt. But that's about where it ends, and that's the way it should be.

365 wolfie  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:08:00am

re: #327 LanceKates

But, the important thing to note is that you are evil because you own a firearm legally.

Hmmm.........
As long as a Republican is in the White House, that makes me a Fascist.
If a Democrat gets in there, I'll be a terrorist!

366 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:08:27am

re: #356 buzzsawmonkey

One more thing: Copyright notice, the "© name and date," does not substitute for registration. Copyright notice has not been required in the US for 20 years; its presence will support a claim of willful infringement if you have registered prior to the infringement, but by itself, without a registration to back it up, it provides no protection.

I've seen many websites that have that and I've always wondered if they actually had copyright protection... but never cared enough to ask.

367 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:08:43am
368 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:09:24am

re: #365 wolfie

Hmmm.........
As long as a Republican is in the White House, that makes me a Fascist.
If a Democrat gets in there, I'll be a terrorist!

heh. Details!

369 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:09:28am

re: #361 zombie

The earliest comment about Obama and Trinity United was on LGF in December of 2006. First LGF posting was in early Feb 2007.

I still haven't found any earlier references yet, including that article.

Lizards -- ahead of the curve.

370 Cygnus  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:09:30am

re: #180 WrathofG-d

Nachas for Israel!
/Yom Haledit Samaach.

Most of the Windows NT operating system was developed by Microsoft-Israel

Your computer crashed? Blame the Joooooooos!
/////////////////

371 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:10:29am
372 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:10:48am
373 anotherindyfilmguy  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:12:20am

re: #18 MandyManners

Is this a joke?


UN
+
Security council with terrorist/dictatorships on panel
+
any topic
=
Yes.

374 XMarine  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:12:36am

The repressive regime in Vietnam is what traitors such as Jane Fonda were fighting for. Then Janie used the Capitalist system, which she claimed was the source of all evil in the world, to become one of the richest women in the United States.
Hypocrite of the millennium.

375 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:13:10am

re: #372 Ben Hur

Why women are to blame for killing off real men

Just try and get me!

We've even turned the tables so much that today it's men, not women, who are often the objects of naked physical desire.

Where's Mandy and her firemen pics.....
;-P

376 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:13:44am

re: #371 buzzsawmonkey

Oh, I don't suggest that it works now, and I didn't intend to.

As for the websites and such, I wonder how much of it exists so that people aren't tempted to copy stuff. (Kind of like the signs people put on their house and in their yard saying they have a home security system like ADT, but actually don't)

Do you know of any legal ramification of posting the copyright bit if you don't actually have the protection?

377 justiceforall  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:13:49am

I'm glad the U.S. government has never used fighting terrorism as an excuse to surpress dissent.

378 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:16:05am

WTF?

And why is this never brought up about the cultures where this is "normal?"

379 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:16:23am

re: #281 LanceKates

Nice. In CA they ruled that you don't have a right to educate your child, only licensed teachers can.

I hear that is being fought in a higher court though, thankfully.


We had a Father here in Massachusetts arrested and jailed for speaking out against this type of garbage at a school board meeting a couple of years ago, an open forum meeting. When he started speaking, (he was not belligerent, rude, etc..but very calm and well mannered) he was told to cease discussing this topic, and when he cited his right to speak as a parent and taxpayer, he was promptly arrested and charged with disorderly conduct (I believe).

380 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:17:57am

re: #378 Ben Hur

It is, but it is quickly eqivocated by comparison to 'those rednecks in the south."

381 seekeroftruth  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:19:02am

re: #361 zombie

The earliest comment about Obama and Trinity United was on LGF in December of 2006. First LGF posting was in early Feb 2007.


Go LGF! Always on the cutting edge! :- )

382 MacGiolaPhadraig  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:19:37am

re: #379 CapeCoddah

We had a Father here in Massachusetts arrested and jailed for speaking out against this type of garbage at a school board meeting a couple of years ago, an open forum meeting. When he started speaking, (he was not belligerent, rude, etc..but very calm and well mannered) he was told to cease discussing this topic, and when he cited his right to speak as a parent and taxpayer, he was promptly arrested and charged with disorderly conduct (I believe).


And the ACLU sprang into action, right?
/sarc off

383 wolfie  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:19:56am

re: #379 CapeCoddah

That is truly disturbing.
What is worse, I'm willing to bet that the community did not rise up in supprot of him. (?) That is how these petty dictators keep their power.

384 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:20:03am

re: #379 CapeCoddah

We had a Father here in Massachusetts arrested and jailed for speaking out against this type of garbage at a school board meeting a couple of years ago, an open forum meeting. When he started speaking, (he was not belligerent, rude, etc..but very calm and well mannered) he was told to cease discussing this topic, and when he cited his right to speak as a parent and taxpayer, he was promptly arrested and charged with disorderly conduct (I believe).

Liberalism: Censoring Free Speech since..... [obviously radically conservative person's ability to engage in disorderly conduct dipping close to electronic terrorism has been safely diffused and replaced with a more enlightened poster.]

Hey all, isn't Obama great?! If only those white people would give up their guns, god and racism and vote for the only person who will give us all of the great things that society needs like free healthcare and jobs!

385 redstateredneck  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:20:35am

re: #380 LanceKates

It is, but it is quickly eqivocated by comparison to 'those rednecks in the south."

Are you talkin' about me, boy?

386 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:21:01am

re: #385 redstateredneck

Are you talkin' about me, boy?

you're armed and have killed snakes.

Nope.

besides, you know I fancy pretty female gunowners.

387 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:22:23am
388 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:22:57am
389 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:24:57am
390 redstateredneck  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:25:28am

re: #389 taxfreekiller

loons will never copy tfk.

I, am copy free.


You an O-riginal.

391 wolfie  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:27:09am

re: #387 taxfreekiller

Unfortunately, they have raised monsters who will perpetuate their work.
And the new generations will be worse than the Baby Boom Left.
At least the Boomers had a traditional upbringing in American patriotism against which they could rebel. At least they knew the conservative story of America, even if they rejected it.
Their heirs know nothing but destruction.Hillary is a Boomer.
Obama is the beginning of the next wave.

392 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:27:56am

re: #18 MandyManners

Is this a joke?

Yep, can't you hear all of us laughing?

/:)

393 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:29:07am

re: #383 wolfie
I just went to find the article, it was in 95' and I was correct in general, but, fuzzy on some details. Here is the link to the story...[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

394 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:30:50am

re: #322 Maximu§

What a sick MFing system the DNC has created, its beyond crooked....it borders on criminal.


Hillary quote on Fox this morning...

" If this had been the Republican primary, I'd be the nominee already"

sounds like it's time to change sides girly.

395 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:33:09am

re: #394 paxnhymn

Hillary quote on Fox this morning...

" If this had been the Republican primary, I'd be the nominee already"

sounds like it's time to change sides girly.

On the left, they're misunderstanding Operation Chaos.

It isn't support of Hillary, it never was.

It is to continue to keep the fight going. Obama is ahead, so they're going for Hillary.

If Hillary were way ahead, it'd be for Obama.

As always, liberals assume too much.

396 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:33:54am

[Link: www.massresistance.org...]
A better perspective of what is happening to our schools here in Massachusetts

397 wolfie  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:35:36am

re: #393 CapeCoddah

I just went to find the article, it was in 95' and I was correct in general, but, fuzzy on some details. Here is the link to the story...[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

The schools are becoming vehicles of destruction.
I have to fight despair.

398 wolfie  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:39:48am

re: #396 CapeCoddah

[Link: www.massresistance.org...]
A better perspective of what is happening to our schools here in Massachusetts

Ah, the ACLU comes to the rescue.....of the state.
They no longer even pretend to be defenders of individual liberties.

This is not "education," in any case. It's pure indoctrination.

399 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:40:16am

re: #397 wolfie

The schools are becoming vehicles of destruction.
I have to fight despair.

Chin up, your kids are still your kids, and while the school gets them for a few hours a day, the rest of the time is yours to undo the brainwashing.

400 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:41:23am

re: #398 wolfie

Ah, the ACLU comes to the rescue.....of the state.
They no longer even pretend to be defenders of individual liberties.

This is not "education," in any case. It's pure indoctrination.

There's a new move to say that the ACLU is on the side of gun owners.

There's a guy in TX who got arrested for having a firearm in his car when he wasn't allowed to. The ACLU was on his side saying that the police violated his rights by looking for the gun.

They're not for guns, they just hate cops. That, however, won't stop their PR campaign.

401 wolfie  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:45:27am

re: #399 LanceKates

Chin up, your kids are still your kids, and while the school gets them for a few hours a day, the rest of the time is yours to undo the brainwashing.

Well, that is true. Mr. Wolf and I have either home-schooled or had our kids in Christian schools, both Baptist and Catholic. And I don't worry too much about the kids whose parents have strong traditional values and pay attention to what's going on.
It's that fuzzy middle that worries me.

402 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:46:14am

re: #397 wolfie

The schools are becoming vehicles of destruction.
I have to fight despair.


Thing is, though, it is the LAW in Massachusetts that parents have the right to be notified and have their child opted out, it was in place before this happened, and all schools are mandated to follow this policy so as NOT to trample on parental rights.

403 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:46:38am

re: #401 wolfie

Well, that is true. Mr. Wolf and I have either home-schooled or had our kids in Christian schools, both Baptist and Catholic. And I don't worry too much about the kids whose parents have strong traditional values and pay attention to what's going on.
It's that fuzzy middle that worries me.

Tough times are coming. Much more quickly than some might think, but don't worry. You're on the Right team.

404 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:47:43am

re: #402 CapeCoddah

Thing is, though, it is the LAW in Massachusetts that parents have the right to be notified and have their child opted out, it was in place before this happened, and all schools are mandated to follow this policy so as NOT to trample on parental rights.

When has the left ever worried about details like that?

Think of the school system that started giving birth control to 6th graders without parental consent, with the alternative being that their child can't get ANY help from the nurse if hurt.

405 TalkinKamel  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:52:20am

Here is an article describing the Vietnamese deportation issue. I'll try to look up some ohters. [Link: immigration.freedomblogging.com...]

406 galloping granny  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:53:15am

re: #339 buzzsawmonkey

Sorry, that's an urban legend. It dates back to the days before 1978, when the current copyright law took effect.

Under the old 1909 law, you had to protect your common-law copyright before publication, and mailing something to yourself was proof that you had produced it by a certain time. A work had to be registered when published, and if it was not properly registered the work could go into the public domain.

The new copyright law, which took effect in 1978, abolished common-law copyright; copyright simply vested in the work once it was fixed in tangible form, so you did not have to worry about losing copyright to the public domain. But it has always been necessary to register the work in order to be able to enforce the copyright. And if you do not register within certain timelines--as a general rule, prior to infringement--you lose the right to claim statutory damages and attorney's fees, and are limited to claiming provable actual damages and profits. Which renders most work infringed in an editorial context that has not been registered prior to infringement not worth defending.

In short form: registration has always been necessary. Under the old law, a published work not registered, or not properly registered, could fall into the public domain. Under the new (current) law, one does not risk losing the copyright if one does not register--but one must register to enforce the copyright, and late (post infringement) registration entails loss of significant remedies.

Not quite right Buzz. Since 1995 you do not need to register to enforce your copyright claim, but you do not get treble damages and attorney's fees in court.

407 TalkinKamel  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:55:02am

re: #377 justiceforall

"Justice", do you ever offer actual arguments, or do you just show up to blurt out snarky little snarks? Are you claiming that you, or anyone you know, has been oppressed by the USA's policies against terrorism? If so, describe it, or shut up.

(By the way, you never did give us links to those blogs that are far more reasonable about Israel than LGF the other day.)

408 galloping granny  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:56:15am

re: #404 LanceKates

When has the left ever worried about details like that?

Think of the school system that started giving birth control to 6th graders without parental consent, with the alternative being that their child can't get ANY help from the nurse if hurt.

You know, that "getting help from the school nurse" if hurt bit is more often than not a myth. Many a school system these days has once school nurse shared among several schools or even the entire district.

Also note that while every Boy Scout and Girl Scout leader in the entire nation is required to take a first aid course, along with all first responders, police, fire department, medical personnel, etc. and so on, teachers are not required to be first aid certified.

409 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:59:14am

re: #408 galloping granny

Well, I was specifically referring to the school system pushing birth control on 6th grade girls without parental consent or knowledge.

The school's statement was that it is included in the school nurse program and that if they wanted to opt out of the birth control ability, they'd have to opt out of all of it.

Frankly, whether it is required or not, one should get certified in first aid and cpr.

I am until June

410 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:59:30am

re: #404 LanceKates

I know, it gets more unbelievable every day. I had a run in myself with a lesbian school guidance councelor who called me one day about our youngest child, and asked me if it was ok if she only spoke to me, and not my husband. It took a minute, but light finally dawned on marblehead, and I blew my stack. Thank god it was a phone call. She was just plain prejudiced against men. I am somewhat of a tomboy, always have been, but I LOVE men. She erroneously assumed I would be OK with that, But was shot down an hour later at a meeting with all of my childrens teachers, the superintendent, principal, and a police officer I asked to come with me as a witness.
I was outraged and pulled no punches. I told the room, and her specifically, that I didnt care if she slept with her dog, how dare she discriminate against the male population of a public school, and wondered aloud how she treated at least 2 widowed fathers of young boys who attended school there. I told the entire meeting they had 7 days to apologise to my husband publicly, or I would file a federal suit.
The principal asked me to come into his office after the meeting, (he was a great guy) and thanked me for what I did. Apparently, she had been holding the male staff well, hostage, and they couldnt do a damned thing about it. I did.

411 galloping granny  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:02:06pm

re: #343 buzzsawmonkey

Not entirely true. He has a copyright in his arrangement of the photos--the compilation or collective work.

He may need authorization from the copyright holders of the photos, but his arrangement is copyrightable in and of itself.

Nope. Derivative work. See the 1995 statutes.

412 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:02:20pm

re: #410 CapeCoddah

I worked for a company that hired me to be management.

I noticed that I was not put in management as I was hired to be, but one step below (always with something on corporate side blocking my way).

However, lesbian women were hired, with no training, to go into the position I was hired for.

The lesbian boss of mine was the one doing the hiring. I later found out that she only hires women, unless someone has put in a complaint about it, which is when she hires men, then scoots them out of the way (She tried to move me into someone else's district and gave my position to a lesbian woman.)

If we bring LIGHT to those events, we are being bigoted and disciminatory...

Funny how that works.

413 TalkinKamel  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:03:39pm

re: #65 Ringo the Gringo

Sadly, I don't live in the OC; I live over 100 miles away from it. I used to live there, and I follow the news down there, and read some on-line articles out of sheer nostalgia, and because I believed it always had the potential to become the fulcrum of some rather dangerous activity, and movements---so, I thought it bore watching. I'll be out of town altogether this weekend, (not near the OC) because of Mother's Day.

However, keep me posted about anything happening in the L.A., high desert, Saugus/Newhall/Valencia area. And I might get down to the OC sometime in the Fall, or winter. And thanks for asking me.

414 galloping granny  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:05:06pm

re: #409 LanceKates

Well, I was specifically referring to the school system pushing birth control on 6th grade girls without parental consent or knowledge.

The school's statement was that it is included in the school nurse program and that if they wanted to opt out of the birth control ability, they'd have to opt out of all of it.

Frankly, whether it is required or not, one should get certified in first aid and cpr.

I am until June

Yeah, that one is up in Maine - Portland I believe. I have to tell you, as a parent I would simply opt out and give the kid a cell phone for emergencies. The absolute most school nurses are allowed to do in an emergency is stop bleeding and call 911 anyway. IF there is even a school nurse present. And I will be damned if the school will be over-riding my decision about birth control for my 11 or 12 year old.

So.glad.we.homeschool!

415 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:06:24pm

re: #412 LanceKates
I hear you. I was lucky, in that this was 13 years ago, and this crap did not have the foothold it does now. That would not have stopped me, though. I always refer to that day as the day the meaning of the phrase "To see red" became crystal clear in my mind. It actually does happen, just a mist of red. I had never before and have never since been so angry. I was ready to do her physical harm.

416 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:06:33pm
417 TalkinKamel  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:08:06pm

[Link: www.ocrAnd...] here's one about USC and Little Saigon activists. . . egister.com/articles/flag-university-community-200 2686-nguyen-communist

418 TalkinKamel  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:08:49pm

Sorry, link doesn't work. Let me get a better one.

419 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:09:27pm

re: #414 galloping granny

My goal, should I get hitched and have kids (in that order), is to homeschool at least to high school.

Then a GOOD private school.

But, my goal is also to be a brazillionare to afford a lifestyle where I need not work so as to teach.

420 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:10:27pm

re: #415 CapeCoddah

I hear you. I was lucky, in that this was 13 years ago, and this crap did not have the foothold it does now. That would not have stopped me, though. I always refer to that day as the day the meaning of the phrase "To see red" became crystal clear in my mind. It actually does happen, just a mist of red. I had never before and have never since been so angry. I was ready to do her physical harm.

Double meaning "To See Red" . .. both what you give, and the pure socialism of those that anger us.

421 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:10:38pm
422 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:15:06pm

re: #420 LanceKates
Amen to that!

423 TalkinKamel  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:16:30pm

Here's another link about the deportation question. Apparently, it is a matter of deportation, not repatriation, and supposedly only applies to Vietnamese who entered the country after July, 1995. Still, it's understandably got a lot of them nervous. [Link: www.ocregister.com...]

424 TalkinKamel  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:22:04pm

And, if you can stand it, you may occasionally want to take a look at the OC Weekly, [Link: www.ocweekly.com,...] for the moonbat take on Little Saigon's problems. . .

(Only occaionaly; it's one of those free press rags, that runs Ted Rall cartoons and ads for phone sex.)

425 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:23:22pm
426 TalkinKamel  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:41:52pm

And, for a saner point of view, check Red County, [Link: www.redcounty.com....]

427 Challenger  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:28:22pm

Wonderful. Will someone please explain to me why we legitimize this crap by continuing to be a member and subsidizing everyone else's membership in the UN?

428 anotherindyfilmguy  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:03:49pm

re: #427 Challenger

Take your pick:

1. It lets us know who are enemies are without finding out by them shooting at us right away...

2. It assuages collective liberal guilt...

3. It's part of the new world order per a zillion conspiracy theories...

4. If congress defunded our excessive share of it the UN would try to pass new world order tax laws and we'd end up both shutting it down/fighting the new world order per number 3 above (and the masters don't like that happening off schedule thank you)...

5. To prove we're really just as f'n stupid as the rest of the world (and just momentarily lucky in the course of human history so the rest o' the world doesn't get to jealous and invade us and find out how clingy, religious nut freaks will react to invasion thus shattering liberals views on gun control) etc etc...

429 Apache30  Fri, May 9, 2008 12:19:22am

re: #377 justiceforall

Awwww.

The poor widdle fascist troll speaks.

Here, let me help you get your message across, troll.

*brands a swastika on JFA's low, sloping forehead*

If you like, I can put the 'Hammer And Sickle' version on your butt.

430 Don  Mon, May 12, 2008 10:27:38pm

Obviously incredibly late to this thread, who knew Vietnamese commies had anything to do with Hillary, Drudge Report and my website. Anyway, just wanted to chime in for posterity that I...the creator of the Hillary collage (with the assistance of Zombietime photos) repeatedly mentioned above which was displayed on the Drudge Report and numerous other places...have been a Lizard since June 15, 2004 (which I think is some kind of long time member default since Charles, Zombie and myself are all listed as members since that date).


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