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 RetweetCivil War in Lebanon?

Thu, May 8, 2008 at 11:35:31 am PDT

If it isn’t civil war yet, it’s pretty close, as Hizballah flexes its muscles in a show of power: Fighting rocks Beirut, Hezbollah defiant.

BEIRUT (Reuters) - Fierce clashes raged in Beirut on Thursday after the Iranian-backed group Hezbollah said the U.S.-supported Lebanese government had declared war by targeting its communications network.

Fighters from Hezbollah and the allied Amal group exchanged assault rifle fire and rocket-propelled grenades with pro-government gunmen in several areas of the capital in the worst domestic fighting since the 1975-90 civil war.

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1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:36:43am

UN Observers cannot be reached for a comment.

2 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:37:01am
3 redc1c4  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:37:15am

wonder if they can get some CAS from down south?

4 Attaboid  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:37:23am

Yes! Now Israel must STOMP hizbollah.

5 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:37:28am
6 MrSilverDragon  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:37:33am

I pray that I get the chance to see Hezbollah running like dogs with their tails between their legs. Although, I doubt the MSM would show that...

7 Peacekeeper  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:37:50am

Hezbollah has demanded that the government of Lebanon withdraw to an area south of the Litani River.

8 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:38:29am

Quick!

Call the UN!

What?

No Joos?

Oh, forget it then.

9 Roger  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:38:38am

Where is Nasrallah? Legitimate target area where ever he even if inside a mosque.

10 realwest  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:38:39am

Well this story can't be true - we've got all those French led UNIFIL forces there!
/

11 Yishai  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:39:14am

Where's the UN condemnation?

They're still looking into it.

12 Peacekeeper  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:39:26am

The Iranian Empire is experiencing growing pains.

13 Lizard by the Bay  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:39:43am

"Pro-government gunmen"? Is the press so PC they won't even differentiate between terrorist insurgents and a government's own soldiers?

14 rcris5  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:39:50am

Send in O-Bomber and his man the Rev. to save the day.

15 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:39:53am

Again, notice the relative silence of the MSM compared to if Israel was takin it to hizbALLAH

16 nyc redneck  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:40:01am

the rop never takes a rest from death and destruction.
europe open your eyes.

17 Dianna  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:40:02am

Here we go again.

Is it too much to hope that between the Lebanese army and Israel, this time, Hezbollah and company can be suppressed?

18 Peacekeeper  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:40:13am

re: #13 Lizard by the Bay

"Pro-government gunmen"? Is the press so PC they won't even differentiate between terrorist insurgents and a government's own soldiers?

"Pro-government gunpersons"?

19 vxbush  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:40:56am

re: #18 Peacekeeper

"Pro-government gunpersons"?

"Pro-goverment people of firearms"

20 Dianna  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:40:58am

re: #13 Lizard by the Bay

Yes.

Back to work.

21 lawhawk  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:41:15am
Fighters from Hezbollah and the allied Amal group exchanged assault rifle fire and rocket-propelled grenades with pro-government gunmen in several areas of the capital in the worst domestic fighting since the 1975-90 civil war.

What they meant to say is that terrorists and their supporters exchanged fire with the government's military and civilians caught in the crossfire.

Hizbullah is trying to wrap themselves up in the flag, but they're not above completely stomping all over the flag, the government, and anyone who stands in their way of completely dominating Hizbullahland.

I have no doubt that UNIFIL will be ineffectual in making Hizbullah lay down its arms.

I also suspect that this is timed to coincide with the ongoing operations in Iraq, where Iranian puppet Mookie Sadr is getting packing by Iraqi and US forces from Basra and Iranian minions are about to feel the heat in Sadr City in Baghdad. The Iranians need to get the upper hand, and stirring things up in Lebanon courtesy of their proxy army Hizbullah favors them.

22 Filala  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:41:35am

A Hezbollah communications network would mean a ton of trouble and most likely the takeover of Lebanon. Looks like another cycle in this endless war.

23 DarthBrooks  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:41:57am

My friend's dad restarted a boat (pleasure craft) repairing facility near the northernmost part of Beirut. He had been gone from Lebanon since the early 80's.

He left Lebanon again last year, to return to Virginia. He said he was homesick for Lebanon, but this wasn't the Lebanon he was homesick for anymore.

24 threecoloursblue  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:42:19am

re: #15 Ben Hur

? This story is just off the wires. How could todays msm have these headlines?

25 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:42:34am

So, are the Leftists and Euroweenies, pausing for a second and asking themselves, "The Lebanese don't like hizbALLAH? Have we been theorizing and speaking over the heads of yet another countries' citizens?"

26 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:42:51am

re: #24 threecoloursblue

? This story is just off the wires. How could todays msm have these headlines?

Are you kidding me?

27 redc1c4  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:42:55am

re: #19 vxbush

"Bitter, clingy pro-government people of firearms"

/fixed that for ya!

28 Raven1  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:43:16am

What are we fighting for?
Don't ask me I don't give a damn!
The next stop is Iran!
/sarc

29 Kalak  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:43:23am

Think the Lebanese government is going to refer to the RoP?

You know, I find myself caring less and less when the Middle East sets itself on fire and dances around. As long as they keep it at home, it's just a chance to watch a performance of barbarians.

*sits back with popcorn*

30 opnion  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:43:27am

re: #7 Peacekeeper

Hezbollah has demanded that the government of Lebanon withdraw to an area south of the Litani River.


Tell me that I'm miissing something. The party of Allah is demanding that the government withdraw to a place of Hezbollahs choosing.
Have I got that? this is nuckin futs.

31 Peacekeeper  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:43:28am

Maybe they're just celebrating...at each other.

32 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:43:28am

re: #24 threecoloursblue

? This story is just off the wires. How could todays msm have these headlines?

And note, of course, that "the wires" don't count as mainstream.

33 Lizard by the Bay  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:43:31am

re: #25 Ben Hur

So, are the Leftists and Euroweenies, pausing for a second and asking themselves, "The Lebanese don't like hizbALLAH? Have we been theorizing and speaking over the heads of yet another countries' citizens?"

They've never worried about it before, so my guess is no, they're not.

34 BrianA  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:43:32am
35 threecoloursblue  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:43:58am

re: #26 Ben Hur

No.

36 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:43:59am

re: #32 Cognito

And note, of course, that "the wires" don't count as mainstream.


Do yo ualso think that this story "just broke?"

37 Cap'n DOC  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:44:11am

re: #17 Dianna

Hezbollah and company can be suppressed

I'm into toleration - how about compressed?

38 Silhouette  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:44:28am
Fierce clashes raged in Beirut on Thursday after the Iranian-backed group Hezbollah said the U.S.-supported Lebanese government had declared war by targeting its communications network

This is an edit from yesterday's template, when they said "US backed" instead of "supported", making it equal in strength with the Iranian backing, and had it in the first paragraph, with "Iranian backed" in the second.

BEIRUT (Reuters) - Supporters of Lebanon's U.S.-backed government fought gun battles in Beirut on Wednesday with gunmen loyal to the Hezbollah-led opposition, escalating the country's worst internal crisis since the 1975-90 civil war.

Supporters of Iranian-backed Hezbollah blocked main roads in the Lebanese capital with blazing tires, old cars and heaps of earth, paralyzing the city and cutting routes to its sea and air ports.

I called them on it. Hey Reuters, you DO read lgf.

39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:44:46am

re: #25 Ben Hur

So, are the Leftists and Euroweenies, pausing for a second and asking themselves, "The Lebanese don't like hizbALLAH? Have we been theorizing and speaking over the heads of yet another countries' citizens?"

More likely they're lamenting the fact they can't get along with each other long enough to attack Israel.

40 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:45:22am

re: #36 Ben Hur

if it ain't baroque don't fix it. I always say.

41 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:45:29am

This has been out there for at least 24 hours.

42 Sharmuta  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:45:47am

May hizbullah get their ass handed to them, inshallah.

43 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:46:06am
the U.S.-supported Lebanese government

Rueters calls the Lebanese government "US supported" to make it tough for Lefties to decide which side to sympathize with.

44 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:46:07am

re: #13 Lizard by the Bay

"Pro-government gunmen"? Is the press so PC they won't even differentiate between terrorist insurgents and a government's own soldiers?

I don't think the press is to be blamed, in this instance. From what I understand, the Future Group is doing the fighting now. Not soldiers.

45 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:46:23am
46 Kalak  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:46:36am

re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If Hizbollah and the Lebanese government are fighting, if Fatah and Hamas are fighting, it's Israel and the US's fault.

You know how it goes.

47 lawhawk  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:46:56am

No word from the UN on the situation in Lebanon, despite the 2d day in a row of terrorist clashes with the sovereign government of Lebanon.

http://www.un.org/news/dh/pdf/english/2008/0705200 8.pdf - nada
http://www.un.org/News/ossg/hilites.shtml - nil
http://www.un.org/apps/sg/sgstats.asp - zilch

And what about UNIFIL?

Their last presser was in early April. - http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unifil/unifi lpress.htm

Their area of operation? Hizbullahland.

48 redc1c4  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:47:01am

re: #45 Iron Fist

,

I'm not into toleration - how about exterminated?

that would be a nice change...

49 threecoloursblue  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:47:08am

re: #32 Cognito

Yeh...and it's Reuters. Not a blogger in sight!

50 Silhouette  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:47:43am

re: #46 Kalak

If (anything is happening), it's Israel and the US's fault.

You know how it goes.

My edit, you're mileage may very.

51 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:48:12am

re: #36 Ben Hur

Do yo ualso think that this story "just broke?"

And do you really think this story hasn't been covered since it did break?

How many examples of coverage would you like me to cite?

52 WrathofG-d  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:48:36am

re: #15 Ben Hur

I'm just waiting till the MSM finds some convoluted way to tie these Terrorist acts by Hiz'b'allah to Israel's 60th.

When the Phakestinians lived in Lebanon they tried a coup.
When the Phakestinaisn lived in Jordan they tried a coup.
When the Islamists were in Iran they accomplished a coup.
When the Islamists are in Lebanaon they tried a coup.
When the Islamists are in Israel they attempt a coup.
...
...
...
...

53 Filala  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:48:39am

re: #43 Ringo the Gringo

Ringo is right. But I'll bet my boopie that the left will suport Hezbollah.
They never miss a chance to pile on the U.S.

54 Ojoe  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:48:56am

Too bad there are Christians there

otherwise let them go at each other

55 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:49:09am

Excuse me but are you two now going to ignore my answer because you were both wrong?

56 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:49:15am

re: #29 Kalak

Think the Lebanese government is going to refer to the RoP?

You know, I find myself caring less and less when the Middle East sets itself on fire and dances around. As long as they keep it at home, it's just a chance to watch a performance of barbarians.

*sits back with popcorn*

really, most of us could also care less save for one redeeming country...Israel...they are our ally; our friend. Sometimes that not a good thing...to be our ally...but most of us put up with the rest of the vermin there for Israel...that's why it matters.

57 opnion  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:49:37am

I do not bthink that we can afford to wait any longer for the election of Barry Obama.
He should dispatch himself immediately to Lebanon. I am sure that he would quell the disturbance & get these men to feel tingly legs ala Chris Matthews

58 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:50:17am

re: #51 Cognito

And do you really think this story hasn't been covered since it did break?

How many examples of coverage would you like me to cite?

I was question the veracity of the coverage.

If that's the correct term to use for my initial post which was to compare how the MSM would be treating this if it was Israel attacking Hizballah.

59 Peacekeeper  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:50:29am

'What in the Hayell is all this shootin' fer? Somebody step on a Ko-ran?"

60 Izzy Dunne  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:50:31am

re: #52 WrathofG-d

I'm just waiting till the MSM finds some convoluted way to tie these Terrorist acts by Hiz'b'allah to Israel's 60th.

When the Phakestinians lived in Lebanon they tried a coup.
When the Phakestinaisn lived in Jordan they tried a coup.
When the Islamists were in Iran they accomplished a coup.
When the Islamists are in Lebanaon they tried a coup.
When the Islamists are in Israel they attempt a coup.
...
...
...
...


I think I see a pattern here...

61 MandyManners  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:50:38am

Why doesn't Israel just send in a team to take out Nasrallah?

62 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:50:40am

With any luck the hizbollah will get their ass handed to them again. Of course the MSM will spin it as a major victory again. Just like last time. Israel needs a better pr department if you ask me. Someone who is willing to kick some butt

63 Filala  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:50:44am

re: #57 opnion

Oy VEY !

64 Ojoe  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:50:56am

re: #57 opnion

Go right away Barry, take Pelosi & Carter as well

65 Kalak  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:51:22am

re: #53 Filala

How does the left mentally figure in the fact that they hate guns, but Hezbollah, Hamas and the rest of their loved ones love guns sooo much that they'll fire AKs at wars, at parties, at weddings, at the sky, at each other, at random buildings, like a particularly lethal noisemaker?

And of course, when those rounds come back down in a parabola and kill a kid, they've magically transformed into Israeli bullets in midair.

66 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:51:49am

re: #54 Ojoe

Too bad there are Christians there

otherwise let them go at each other


someone needs to teach them an old concept...

LEAVE!

67 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:51:51am

re: #60 Izzy Dunne

I think I see a pattern here...

Me, too! They all had guns! We need global, UN-mandated gun control, stat!

68 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:52:01am

re: #51 Cognito

And do you really think this story hasn't been covered since it did break?

How many examples of coverage would you like me to cite?

And I was responding the Three COlors Blue's claim that this story "just came off the wires."

That's all.

It's been happening for TWO DAYS.

In less the 24 hours after Israel was attacked by hizbALLAH, the MSM was all over ISrael.

69 brainwizard73  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:52:13am

Calling Jimmy Carter...Calling Jimmy Carter...Please report to Southern Lebanon to save us all from destruction.

Actually Carter probably thinks this is a good thing...you know...freedom fighters against an occupying force...oh, wait, that's Iraq...this government is as legitimate as the day is long...

Hey Jimmy, how about some Habitat for Humanity in downtown Hiz-shizzle?

70 Peacekeeper  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:52:36am

re: #67 Occasional Reader

Me, too! They all had guns! We need global, UN-mandated gun control, stat!

They need to raise the tax on a pack of bullets...

71 Ojoe  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:52:45am

re: #66 paxnhymn

Well they would be safer elsewhere

It is all a tragedy even so

72 Filala  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:52:47am

re: #65 Kalak

The lefties have a mental disorder.

73 wolfie  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:52:53am

re: #43 Ringo the Gringo

Rueters calls the Lebanese government "US supported" to make it tough easy for Lefties to decide which side to sympathize with.

Yup.

74 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:52:59am

re: #65 Kalak

It's that eeevil kabalah magic that makes those random bullets into muslim-seeking missiles, that never fail to find their mark.

75 Kalak  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:52:59am

re: #56 paxnhymn

Oh, I know. I mean when they're not bothering Israel, just having little wars of attrition between factions and blowing up their own towns.

I really could care less anymore. They just seem to want to take a dump where they live, and then blame other people for the smell.

76 lawhawk  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:53:00am

re: #17 Dianna

Here we go again.

Is it too much to hope that between the Lebanese army and Israel, this time, Hezbollah and company can be suppressed?

You're assuming quite a bit that Israel will get into this fight. Hizbullah might attempt still more attacks against Israel, to goad Israel into acting, but I don't see Israel fighting alongside the Lebanese government at this time. Especially with the Olmert government. They'd much rather give away territory at a negotiating table and call it peace even as the terrorists plot to use that very land as a launching pad for war against Israel.

77 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:53:11am

I thought I was clear in my first post.

Maybe it wasn't

78 BrianA  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:53:13am

re: #65 Kalak

How does the left mentally figure

Somethings wrong with this phrase. Hmmm...what could it be?

79 opnion  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:53:18am

re: #64 Ojoe

Go right away Barry, take Pelosi & Carter as well

Now thats a swat team of hard core negotiators.

80 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:53:38am

re: #52 WrathofG-d

I'm just waiting till the MSM finds some convoluted way to tie these Terrorist acts by Hiz'b'allah to Israel's 60th.

When the Phakestinians lived in Lebanon they tried a coup.
When the Phakestinaisn lived in Jordan they tried a coup.
When the Islamists were in Iran they accomplished a coup.
When the Islamists are in Lebanaon they tried a coup.
When the Islamists are in Israel they attempt a coup.
...
...
...
...

Don't forget Tunisia.

81 pegcity  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:53:47am

just waiting to hear how its the jews fault.

82 Peacekeeper  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:53:54am

UNIFIL's supply line runs through Beirut, this should be interesting.

83 brainwizard73  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:54:01am

re: #79 opnion

Now thats a swat team of hard core negotiators.

Amateurs. Send Michelle Obama and sit back and watch the fun...

84 Sharmuta  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:54:15am

re: #66 paxnhymn

someone needs to teach them an old concept...

LEAVE!

Many of them have left- and what good has it done but teach the islamists that their tactics work?

85 Ojoe  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:54:40am

re: #79 opnion

Their great diplomatic coup will win them the election

/ sarc

86 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:54:47am

I'm going to develop a hotel in Dearborn.

87 MikeAlv77  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:54:52am

It is so true that where muslims go they foul the nest. When they put the PLO in Lebabnon, the place wen tot pot. Can they place nice with anyone? - (Already know the answer to that..)

I like the US Supported crap.
Elected government of a country = US supported.
Terrorist Group = Iranian Backed

88 opnion  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:55:05am

re: #67 Occasional Reader

Me, too! They all had guns! We need global, UN-mandated gun control, stat!

How true, Chicago is gun free. Hey, its the law, so no gun violence.

89 threecoloursblue  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:55:09am

re: #55 Ben Hur

It's all over the newspapers, the BBC , Sky News, France24 etc etc. You're only wakening up.
I've got a 14 para piece in front of me in the Irish Times. I wasn't ignoring you.

90 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:55:19am

re: #75 Kalak

Oh, I know. I mean when they're not bothering Israel, just having little wars of attrition between factions and blowing up their own towns.

I really could care less anymore. They just seem to want to take a dump where they live, and then blame other people for the smell.


you are more right than you know..ever been to an Arab nation? With the sporadic exception of a resort area, most are like giant cat boxes.

91 WrathofG-d  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:55:25am

re: #68 Ben Hur

You should do yourself a favor and not respond to 3coloursBlue in regards to Israel, Middle East issues.

In my experience it has been futile and frustrating.

92 Yashmak  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:55:40am

Good news. Hopefully the government troops carry the day.

Who knows, if they get enough of an upper hand, they may just decide to end this little Hezbollah problem once and for all. Of course, we probably won't get that lucky.

93 Filala  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:55:42am

re: #78 BrianA

They have no mental?

94 opnion  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:56:26am

re: #83 brainwizard73

Amateurs. Send Michelle Obama and sit back and watch the fun...

They would have her in a burqua, fetching flaffels.

95 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:56:35am

re: #86 Ben Hur

I'm going to develop a hotel in Dearborn.

Settler!

96 abolitionist  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:57:04am
...Hezbollah said the U.S.-supported Lebanese government had declared war by targeting its communications network.

That would be the Orwellian nightmare communications network, otherwise known as the Hezb'allah local intelligence-gathering network, right?

97 Sharmuta  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:57:07am

re: #92 Yashmak

Good news. Hopefully the government troops carry the day.

Who knows, if they get enough of an upper hand, they may just decide to end this little Hezbollah problem once and for all. Of course, we probably won't get that lucky.

No- sadly, syria and iran would likely sent in reinforcements/replacements.

98 Ojoe  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:57:28am

re: #94 opnion

fetching flaffels. waffels.

99 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:58:19am

re: #84 Sharmuta

Many of them have left- and what good has it done but teach the islamists that their tactics work?


there's a point of no return...that's Lebanon. When the Christian majority tilted it was over for them. The only thing the remaining Christians are regarded as are targets of opportunity.

100 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:58:28am

re: #98 Ojoe

fetching flaffels. waffels.

Heh.

Lebanese government to Hizballah: "Can't I just have my falafel?"

101 Kenneth  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:58:30am

re: #61 MandyManners

Why doesn't Israel just send in a team to take out Nasrallah?

Because they know Nasrallah is a puppet of Iran. Why waste resources on puppets? Go for the puppet master.

102 Colin Nelson  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:58:57am

"We remain gravely concerned about the potential for further escalation of the situation," U.N. envoy Terje Roed-Larsen

Translation - "UN Springs into Action"

103 wolfie  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:59:04am

re: #97 Sharmuta

No- sadly, syria and iran would likely sent in reinforcements/replacements.

And then if Israel gets involved, THEY will be the intruding imperialists.

104 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:59:07am

re: #95 Cognito

Settler!

Now that's funny!LOL!

105 brainwizard73  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:59:17am

re: #94 opnion

They would have her in a burqua, fetching flaffels.

When asked how the peace negotiations were going, Michelle Obama replied, "hey, can't I just eat my flaffel?"

106 Ojoe  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:59:36am

re: #100 Occasional Reader

Obama should say "can't I just eat my falafel?"

107 MandyManners  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:59:46am

re: #101 Kenneth

Because they know Nasrallah is a puppet of Iran. Why waste resources on puppets? Go for the puppet master.

Taking out Nasrallah would still give the Lebanese and the Israelis extra time to clean out the rat's nest.

108 Peacekeeper  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:00:16pm

re: #100 Occasional Reader

Heh.

Lebanese government to Hizballah: "Can't I just have my falafel?"

The International House of Pancakes is sending in a peacekeeping force.

109 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:00:44pm

re: #108 Peacekeeper

The International House of Pancakes is sending in a peacekeeping force.

Ah, the fearsome Blue Spatulas.

110 loppyd  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:01:21pm

BEN HUR!

Who loves ya kid?

111 MandyManners  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:01:25pm

re: #109 Occasional Reader

Ah, the fearsome Blue Spatulas.

ROFLMAO!

112 Peacekeeper  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:01:41pm

I hope green Helmet Guy TM is keeping low, as well as Screaming Fatima.

113 wolfie  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:01:44pm

re: #108 Peacekeeper

The International House of Pancakes is sending in a peacekeeping force.

I suspect it would do a better job than the UN does.

114 opnion  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:02:12pm

re: #105 brainwizard73

When asked how the peace negotiations were going, Michelle Obama replied, "hey, can't I just eat my flaffel?"


Imagine her pulling her typical Whine over there. You know , she feels bad about her SAT scores, she was not comfortable with the White Libs in college, she was not wealthy as a kid, blah, blah, blah.
How would that go?

115 Peacekeeper  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:02:27pm

re: #109 Occasional Reader

Ah, the fearsome Blue Spatulas.

Spank you blind man.

116 Sharmuta  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:03:24pm

re: #103 wolfie

And then if Israel gets involved, THEY will be the intruding imperialists.

You nailed it. How long until this gets spun into a Zionist plot anyways though?

117 Peacekeeper  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:03:30pm

Hezbollah is clinging to their guns and religion.

118 MandyManners  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:03:31pm

re: #114 opnion

Imagine her pulling her typical Whine over there. You know , she feels bad about her SAT scores, she was not comfortable with the White Libs in college, she was not wealthy as a kid, blah, blah, blah.
How would that go?

Somebody just might bust a cap on her ass.

119 kynna  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:04:04pm

Wait! I thought only US presence in a country caused a civil war. So confusing.

But at least the UN will be able to help.
/sarc (as if it's necessary)

120 Maine's Michael  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:04:29pm

Sit back and watch as the thin veneer of civilization is once again peeled back as the descendants of the blood drenched worshipers of Baal do battle with the equally blood soaked followers of Mohamed.

And the ugly little persian troll pulls the strings from a thousand miles away.

121 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:04:42pm

re: #118 MandyManners

Somebody just might bust a cap on her ass.


I'll put in on a one-way...


:-D

122 Peacekeeper  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:04:53pm

BLOOD FOR NO OIL!

123 loppyd  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:05:34pm

re: #112 Peacekeeper

I hope green Helmet Guy TM is keeping low, as well as Screaming Fatima.

They only trot them out when it is Israel fighting Hizballah...

124 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:05:36pm

re: #23 DarthBrooks

My friend's dad restarted a boat (pleasure craft) repairing facility near the northernmost part of Beirut. He had been gone from Lebanon since the early 80's.

He left Lebanon again last year, to return to Virginia. He said he was homesick for Lebanon, but this wasn't the Lebanon he was homesick for anymore.

Darth, You've confirmed a suspicion I've had for a long while - namely that a lot of people just want to be left in peace and to make as good a living as they're able for themselves and their families. Thanks!

125 Maine's Michael  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:05:44pm

Send in Obama. He'll talk sense to them.

They'll all come together over a nice plate of roasted lamb and Arugula.

126 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:05:48pm

re: #117 Peacekeeper

Hezbollah is clinging to their guns and religion.

They're practically Kansans.

127 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:05:49pm

I just realized something. We could get another sighting of "Blue Helmet Guy". Stay tuned.

128 itellu3times  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:06:04pm

re: #7 Peacekeeper

Hezbollah has demanded that the government of Lebanon withdraw to an area south of the Litani River.

North?

129 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:06:13pm
130 Peacekeeper  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:06:20pm

re: #123 loppyd

They only trot them out when it is Israel fighting Hizballah...

Look she just got five of her houses rebuilt...

131 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:07:20pm
132 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:07:29pm

re: #120 Maine's Michael

Sit back and watch as the thin veneer of civilization is once again peeled back as the descendants of the blood drenched worshipers of Baal do battle with the equally blood soaked followers of Mohamed.

And the ugly little persian troll pulls the strings from a thousand miles away.

At this point I'm sort of pulling for Baal's folks.

133 Peacekeeper  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:08:01pm

re: #128 itellu3times

A failed pun.

134 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:08:04pm
domestic fighting

Behold the peace that is Islam.

135 Last Mohican  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:08:22pm

re: #119 kynna

Wait! I thought only US presence in a country caused a civil war. So confusing.

But at least the UN will be able to help.

I'd say the UN has helped plenty. UN troops have been in Lebanon since the end of the last war, tirelessly protecting Hizbollah's right to rearm itself. Now Hizbollah has finished doing so, they're back in business.

136 itellu3times  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:09:11pm

re: #84 Sharmuta

Many of them have left- and what good has it done but teach the islamists that their tactics work?

Further destroyed what used to be a nice little country, but the only way a 100% Islamic country gets by is by exporting oil, so good luck, Lebanon.

137 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:09:52pm

re: #131 Iron Fist

,

Blood for the Blood God!

It's all the rock worshipers know.

SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

/40k

138 Kenneth  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:10:18pm

UN Sec-Gen Ban Ke Moon has called for peace!

Whew, glad it's all over now.

139 yochanan  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:10:32pm

re: #82 Peacekeeper

UNIFIL's supply line runs through Beirut, this should be interesting.


WHAT WILL THEY DO WITHOUT THERE LATTE'S?

140 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:11:19pm

re: #136 itellu3times

Further destroyed what used to be a nice little country, but the only way a 100% Islamic country gets by is by exporting oil, so good luck, Lebanon.


* * *
Poppycock! Remember the Taliban/Al Qaedans "get by" rather nicely exporting their poppy production.

If they'd only plant arugula, wheat or rice...

141 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:11:40pm

WEll, while personally I'd rather go to the beach, I think that the government of LEbanon should head for the southern border, and while they are on the way kill every one of those hizbulletheaded sonsabitches that happens to be in front of them.

142 itellu3times  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:11:46pm

re: #138 Kenneth

UN Sec-Gen Ban Ke Moon has called for peace.

So what's a Moon guy doing on Earth anyway?

143 opnion  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:11:56pm

re: #138 Kenneth

UN Sec-Gen Ban Ke Moon has called for peace!

Whew, glad it's all over now.


Well he must have called for peace very forcefuly.

144 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:12:00pm

re: #89 threecoloursblue

It's all over the newspapers, the BBC , Sky News, France24 etc etc. You're only wakening up.
I've got a 14 para piece in front of me in the Irish Times. I wasn't ignoring you.

Alright.
I think I was a little confused.

I was referring to how reporting would be different if Israel was taking on H.

145 Peacekeeper  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:12:29pm

re: #139 yochanan

Starving UN Troops cross into Israel-it could happen. There were many instances of units in Bosnia during the war that ran out of food and medicines.

I suppose the French at least should be able to supply their own guys.

146 nikis-knight  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:12:40pm

re: #43 Ringo the Gringo

Rueters calls the Lebanese government "US supported" to make it tough for Lefties to decide which side to sympathize with.

I doubt it'd be that tough. They don't have a hard time deciding between Columbia (new and improved) and Venezuala (Now with 150% more socialism!)

147 ROP?LOL  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:12:51pm

re: #61 MandyManners

Why doesn't Israel just send in a team to take out Nasrallah? the IAF to take out hezbollah ?

148 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:13:37pm

re: #110 loppyd

BEN HUR!

Who loves ya kid?

Damn straight!

149 itellu3times  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:14:24pm

re: #140 alegrias

Poppycock! Remember the Taliban/Al Qaedans "get by" rather nicely exporting their poppy production.

Good point, I'll correct my manual.

150 yochanan  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:14:31pm

It will be easy to tell the UNIFIL troops most have a YELLOW stripe down there back and lattee stains on there teeth.

151 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:15:00pm

re: #146 nikis-knight

I doubt it'd be that tough. They don't have a hard time deciding between Columbia (new and improved) and Venezuala (Now with 150% more socialism!)

* * *
By Columbia, if you mean District of Columbia, we've already got your 100% socialist model right here in the Capital of USA.

Mucho lefty here.

152 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:15:00pm

Lebanese leisure culture is very similar to Israel's (Tel Aviv).

The chicks even look Israeli.

153 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:15:29pm

re: #131 Iron Fist

,

Blood for the Blood God!

It's all the rock worshipers know.

I thought that was Khorne?

154 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:15:45pm

They'll be ululating in the old refugee camp tonight, I reckon.

155 BulgarWheat  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:15:54pm

re: #152 Ben Hur

They looked hot in orange when they had their election.

156 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:15:59pm

re: #147 ROP?LOL

Well of course the Israelis can't do anything violent because their pansy-minister Olmert would dump in his drawers. How can a country under siege like that elect such a complete zero wimp to be their leader? Sorta like the US electing Obama...
Oh, yeah, we might. urk.

157 threecoloursblue  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:16:11pm

re: #144 Ben Hur

And quite correctly as well. Israel has F-16's and Merkova tanks. Amal has K's. And the Leb govt IS American backed, as opposed to SYRIAN backed which has been the case in the not to distant past.

158 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:16:21pm

re: #149 itellu3times

Good point, I'll correct my manual.

* * *
Afghanistan that is--formerly a land of fruit & nuts, now opium due to mafioso mowhamedan enforcers running free...

159 Miss Molly  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:16:26pm

It seems the Hezzies are just itching to use the new toys they have stocked up from Iran. Something somehow just needs to make this group go away forever. We can depend on the UN reps to discuss this serious situation over endless dinners.

160 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:16:28pm

re: #155 BulgarWheat

They looked hot in orange when they had their election.

That would say something else completey if typed by Kim Jong Ill.

161 brainwizard73  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:17:00pm

re: #114 opnion

Imagine her pulling her typical Whine over there. You know , she feels bad about her SAT scores, she was not comfortable with the White Libs in college, she was not wealthy as a kid, blah, blah, blah.
How would that go?

One of two results:

First Potential Result: "Polls Say All Islamo-nutjobs support Obama". (might be true anyway).

Second Potential Result: Michelle Obama arrested for speaking in public without a male relative.

Best question NOT asked by CNN or the Today Show:

Ms. Obama, what is the greater tragedy in the world:
(a) Darfur
(b) Tibet
(c) Congo
(d) that you had to pay back your student loans.

162 Widow'smight  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:17:10pm

re: #150 yochanan

Maybe old Indian trick. They were listening for Iron Horses when a Line painting truck went by.

163 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:17:30pm

re: #157 threecoloursblue

And quite correctly as well. Israel has F-16's and Merkova tanks. Amal has K's. And the Leb govt IS American backed, as opposed to SYRIAN backed which has been the case in the not to distant past.

Well, I would like to see a joint US/Israel/Leb operation against hisbALLAH.

They'd be gone in a day.

164 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:17:47pm
165 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:17:56pm

send over Gorignac

166 opnion  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:18:05pm

There has to be a mistake here. The hezbollah guys are pious Muslims.
Oh sure they probably engage in inner struggle. But outright violence?
Come on! Islam means peace.

167 neverquit  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:18:34pm

Now we know why we've been parking our Navy off the coast for the last month or so.

168 threecoloursblue  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:18:40pm

re: #150 yochanan

You're an asshole. Unifil troops are given a charter which governs what they can and can't do. It's got nothing to do with their integrity as individuals. Irish troops have been posted on the border and have lost over 100 men down the years.

169 itellu3times  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:18:50pm

re: #152 Ben Hur

Lebanese leisure culture is very similar to Israel's (Tel Aviv).

The chicks even look Israeli.

One of the Lebanese restaurants around here has pretty well convinced me I was Lebanese in a previous life. The food, the waitresses, some of the clientelle or owner's relatives or whoever some of these chicks are, I'm just sayin'. Food is hallal, but there is a definite shortage of burqas, and I've never asked any further questions about their affiliation.

170 brainwizard73  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:19:13pm

re: #166 opnion

You don't get it. These aren't Muslims...these are "angry youth".

Or, as Joe Pesci put it..."yutes".

171 Kenneth  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:19:22pm

How the Outcome in Sadr City Led to Today’s Clashes in Beirut

The Siniora cabinet and the March 14 political coalition that props it up have been doing and saying many provocative things from Hezbollah’s vantage point over the last two years from, yet Hezbollah chose to be provoked yesterday and today; why is that?

Ostensibly, Hezbollah is responding to the Lebanese government’s decision to sack the security chief of Beirut’s international airport, and to dismantle Hezbollah’s secure landline-based communications network that had been expanded recently.

What could have spurred-on this over-reaction on Hezbollah’s part, which has been manifested so far with flexing its muscles in the Sunni area of Beirut, seemingly showing-up the government as weak and vulnerable?

I believe Iran needed to show the United States and its Arab allies that it can humiliate them by overrunning the government they back in Beirut and that they’d be unable to do anything about it, and I believe that Iran needed to make this point now because the Mahdi Army in Iraq has collapsed.

Iran has been backing certain factions of the Mahdi Army with training and arms as an investment in a force for chaos, which can be held in reserve and unleashed against the Americans in Iraq in the event that George Bush may order a bombing run against Iran’s illicit nuclear program this summer—something he’s be egged-on to do by U.S. allies such as Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan.

Veeery interesting...

172 itellu3times  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:19:42pm

re: #168 threecoloursblue

You're an asshole. Unifil troops are given a charter which governs what they can and can't do. It's got nothing to do with their integrity as individuals. Irish troops have been posted on the border and have lost over 100 men down the years.

The jokes just write themselves.

173 Spiny Norman  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:20:08pm

FWIW, my mechanic for the last 20+ years was in the Lebanese Army during the last Civil War (the one the Arafish started), and lost an eye to a roadside bomb. He still has family in the north part of the country.

And he really, really hates Hizb'allah.

174 threecoloursblue  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:20:47pm

re: #163 Ben Hur

They'd be gone in a day. And back in a week. That's how irregulars survive.

175 itellu3times  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:20:50pm

re: #158 alegrias

Afghanistan that is--formerly a land of fruit & nuts, now opium due to mafioso mowhamedan enforcers running free...

Rightaroonie, tho I'm not sure it has entirely succeeded into turning Afghanistan into a giant pleasure palace.

176 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:20:59pm

re: #164 Iron Fist

,

That's where it comes from, but it fits the rock-worshipping Mohammedans so well that I use it for them periodically.

My Chaos Dwarf, Vomitus, is angry that you co-opt his battle cry for those pansies.

177 opnion  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:21:02pm

re: #170 brainwizard73

You don't get it. These aren't Muslims...these are "angry youth".

Or, as Joe Pesci put it..."yutes".

I knew it!

178 Sand Panda  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:21:06pm

Slightly OT: I've just had a look the Beeb's main news page to see whether this was given any space (it wasn't), however couldn't help but snicker to myself at the article included in the "Other Top News" section. Apparently "Great Tits Cope Well with Warming". Juvenile, I know... ;-p

/Ornithology!

179 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:21:09pm

re: #153 CyanSnowHawk

I thought that was Khorne?

Same difference. Neither cares where the blood comes from.

180 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:21:20pm

Bibi Netanyahu--if elected Israel's top guy--might attack Iran by air within 6 months, said Dick Morris last night on O'Reilly's Fox program.

Presumably Bibi would act fast so no Dem prez could nix his plans to strike Iran before US' presidential election.

181 wolfie  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:21:26pm

re: #151 alegrias

* * *
By Columbia, if you mean District of Columbia, we've already got your 100% socialist model right here in the Capital of USA.

Mucho lefty here.

LOL ! Too true!
DC could take some lessons from Colombia. (That'll be the day!)

182 loppyd  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:21:28pm

re: #160 Ben Hur

That would say something else completey if typed by Kim Jong Ill.

LOL

And on that note, I am out.

Have a great night, Lizard Nation!

183 lawhawk  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:21:54pm

re: #171 Kenneth

How the Outcome in Sadr City Led to Today’s Clashes in Beirut

Veeery interesting...

That's the same thing I've said at least twice over today - Heh. GMTA.

184 Sabraguy  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:21:55pm

Send in the the peace activists and human shields. That'll make their eyes water.

185 E.T.  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:22:11pm

I've been wondering ... with the islamo-terrorists ( take your pick ) wanting BHO to win the White House ... would it be beyond them to manufacture an incident so that BHO can ride in and save the day ... kind of a reverse October surprise

186 Spiny Norman  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:22:36pm

re: #180 alegrias

Bibi Netanyahu--if elected Israel's top guy--might attack Iran by air within 6 months, said Dick Morris last night on O'Reilly's Fox program.

Presumably Bibi would act fast so no Dem prez could nix his plans to strike Iran before US' presidential election.

Bingo!

187 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:22:46pm

re: #184 Sabraguy

Send in the the peace activists and human shields. That'll make their eyes water.

Patchouli fumes can have that effect

188 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:22:50pm

re: #174 threecoloursblue

They'd be gone in a day. And back in a week. That's how irregulars survive.

The PLO was uprooted and sent to Tunisia.

My fantasy consensus is pretty much that, a fantasy.

189 Last Mohican  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:23:31pm

Official responses have been pouring in:

McCain: "This underscores why Iran must not acquire nuclear weapons."

Bush: "Saudi Arabia has informed me that the United States will follow a policy of watchful waiting at this conjuncture."

Hillary Clinton: "If I am elected president, I will immediately withdraw Hizbollah forces from Lebanon, and end this terrible war. The choice is yours, America."

Barack Obama: "The situation in Lebanon is bad, but I would not intervene by deploying American forces there. However, in the unlikely event that Hizbollah becomes involved, I would deploy the Marines immediately. I'll give you my full statement after I finish this waffle."

United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL): It is with great pleasure that we announce the beginning of phase II of our work here: the liberation of Lebanon by the Army of God, Hizbollah (praise be upon their holy efforts). We hope to destroy the zionist cancer by the end of the summer.

190 brainwizard73  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:23:41pm

re: #177 opnion

Settle down, everyone.

Don't worry, this isn't a civil war. After a few nights of burning and overturning cars, attacking police and killing innocent people, the militants will go back to their day jobs...

setting off car bombs, attacking Israel and killing innocent people...

hmm.

191 itellu3times  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:24:20pm

re: #180 alegrias

Bibi Netanyahu--if elected Israel's top guy--might attack Iran by air within 6 months, said Dick Morris last night on O'Reilly's Fox program.

Look at a map. Ain't gonna happen, at least not without major US assistance. The day Israel attacks Iran on its own is a day with nuclear weapons.

192 neverquit  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:24:59pm

re: #168 threecoloursblue

You're an asshole. Unifil troops are given a charter which governs what they can and can't do. It's got nothing to do with their integrity as individuals. Irish troops have been posted on the border and have lost over 100 men down the years.

This is true in most cases, except for the UN Troops raping women in Africa.

193 Sand Panda  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:25:02pm

re: #139 yochanan

WHAT WILL THEY DO WITHOUT THERE LATTE'S?

Maybe they'll go native* and start drinking mint tea.
*(Or should that be more native than usual?)

/Say what you like about the Arab world, but it has at least one thing going for it...two if you're counting hummus, but who is? ;-)

194 yochanan  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:25:09pm

re: #168 threecoloursblue

You're an asshole. Unifil troops are given a charter which governs what they can and can't do. It's got nothing to do with their integrity as individuals. Irish troops have been posted on the border and have lost over 100 men down the years.

WHAT ABOUT THE U.N. TROOPS THAT GOT SENT BACK TO JORDON FOR STUPPIN GOATS?

THE U.N. TURNS A BLIND EYE TO HEZBALLAL SENDING IN MISSLES AND ARMS, A DOG SMELLS HIS OWN FIRST BON APITETE

195 brainwizard73  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:25:54pm

re: #189 Last Mohican

Official responses have been pouring in:

McCain: "This underscores why Iran must not acquire nuclear weapons."

Bush: "Saudi Arabia has informed me that the United States will follow a policy of watchful waiting at this conjuncture."

Hillary Clinton: "If I am elected president, I will immediately withdraw Hizbollah forces from Lebanon, and end this terrible war. The choice is yours, America."

Barack Obama: "The situation in Lebanon is bad, but I would not intervene by deploying American forces there. However, in the unlikely event that Hizbollah becomes involved, I would deploy the Marines immediately. I'll give you my full statement after I finish this waffle."

United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL): It is with great pleasure that we announce the beginning of phase II of our work here: the liberation of Lebanon by the Army of God, Hizbollah (praise be upon their holy efforts). We hope to destroy the zionist cancer by the end of the summer.

Great Stuff! How about John Kerry?

"Work hard in your madrassa...study and listen to your imams, or you might be sent to Lebanon."

196 wolfie  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:25:57pm

re: #168 threecoloursblue

You're an asshole. Unifil troops are given a charter which governs what they can and can't do. It's got nothing to do with their integrity as individuals. Irish troops have been posted on the border and have lost over 100 men down the years.

The Irish have lost 100 men protecting the border there?
Is that true? If so, I wish we knew more about it.

197 opnion  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:26:37pm

re: #190 brainwizard73

Settle down, everyone.

Don't worry, this isn't a civil war. After a few nights of burning and overturning cars, attacking police and killing innocent people, the militants will go back to their day jobs...

setting off car bombs, attacking Israel and killing innocent people...

hmm.

When the lines between vocation & avocation intersect.

198 Ackomanyuki  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:26:48pm

Somewhat off topic but relevant to the liberation of Lebanon is an article at FrontPage today: "Bringing Down The Mullahs"

By Dan Rabkin
FrontPageMagazine.com | 5/8/2008

Potkin Azarmehr, an Iranian human rights and pro-democracy activist, joined me for an interview that I did for FrontPage Magazine. He is a representative of the Confederation of Iranian Students and Graduates in the United Kingdom, a member of the Azerbaijani Movement for a United Democratic Iran, and a member of the Iranian Enterprise Institute. He has appeared on CNN, Voice of America, BBC, Sky News, and Al-Jazeera. Mr. Azarmehr also recently participated in the Struggle for Democracy in the Islamic World conference in Rome and was an official guest of the U.S. State Department on the first tour of America for Iranian expatriates since the Iranian Revolution in 1979. You can read his blog at [Link: azarmehr.blogspot.com...]

[snip]

Here is what we should do in the West to help:


We should appeal to and mobilize the students and academics in the West, because the Islamic Republic suppresses academics and students in Iran.


We should appeal to and mobilize the trade unions and workers in the West, because the Islamic Republic suppresses workers and trade unions in Iran.


We should appeal to and mobilize women in the West, because the Islamic Republic suppresses Iran’s women.


We should appeal to and mobilize writers, artists, and performers in the West, because the Islamic Republic threatens the freedom of these people both inside and outside of Iran.


We should appeal to and mobilize journalists in the West, because the Islamic Republic kills and imprisons journalists.


We should appeal to and mobilize those around the globe who believe in freedom of religion, because the Islamic Republic suppresses people of other faiths, and even Shiites who do not accept the interpretations of the ruling clerics.


We should appeal to and mobilize those who are against the execution of minors and homosexuals and are against human rights abuses, because these types of things are rampant in the Islamic Republic.


We should enlighten and mobilize the left, because the Islamic Republic is not the “progressive” champion of the poor as some of the leftists in the West imagine. This is the same mistake that the Iranian left made and they paid a very heavy price for their mistake. The left in Iran were amongst the first victims of the religious tyranny that massacred them. The Ayatollahs hate no one more than the atheist socialists.


I believe we can appeal to and mobilize everyone around the world. We just need the means to be heard.

[snip]


This is a good lengthy article for historical info, present realities, and future strategies for liberation of/in The Islamic Republic of Iran.

199 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:26:51pm

re: #181 wolfie

LOL ! Too true!
DC could take some lessons from Colombia. (That'll be the day!)

* * *
Beautiful ex-girlfriends of Colombian narcos apparently live in DC, as a Cuban acquaintance pointed out a gaggle of them at a club once.

Ex-Miss Colombias all!

Probablly not protest babes, but at least in the USA they were safe.

200 itellu3times  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:27:29pm

re: #196 wolfie

The Irish have lost 100 men protecting the border there?
Is that true? If so, I wish we knew more about it.

He didn't say they were killed, ...

(don't mean to make fun of what might actually be a very serious scenario, but hey)

201 brainwizard73  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:28:05pm

re: #197 opnion

There is probably a really good slam on some Democrat here...but I am going to do the "John McCain" and take the high road.

[I snicker to myself]

202 yma o hyd  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:28:48pm

Och, 'tis just a little bloodletting between the usual suspects, i.e. Shiites and Sunnis.
Lookit here:
Last night, Sheikh Rashid Qabbani, the Sunni mufti of Lebanon, delivered unusually harsh criticism of Hezbollah, describing the party as an “armed gang of outlaws that have carried out the ugliest attacks against the citizens and their safety”.

(From: [Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

203 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:30:03pm

re: #191 itellu3times

Look at a map. Ain't gonna happen, at least not without major US assistance. The day Israel attacks Iran on its own is a day with nuclear weapons.

* * *
Whaaat. I just report, you decide. Do I look like a military genius to you?

Anyway, Dick Morris was suggesting Bill O'Reilly ask John McCain tonight about what McCain will do or say if Bibi Netanyahu strikes Iran.

204 Opinionated  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:30:25pm

This is a direct result of Rice falling for Blue Helmet Guy's show and rushing a Hezbollah advantage cease fire.

The ugly truth of US actions that undermine Israel, it that sooner or later it comes back to haunt the US.

205 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:30:52pm
206 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:31:17pm

re: #202 yma o hyd

Och, 'tis

I'd have thought ye were Irish, but for yer name.

207 yochanan  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:31:24pm

THE U.N. IS AS ANTI ISRAEL AS IT GETS HOW MANY ANTI ISRAEL RESOLUTIONS HAVE THEY HAD? UNIFIL HASN'T STOPPED THE HEZBALLAH FROM RE-ARMING HAVE THEY?

i suspect they know a thing or two about assholes in the u.n.

208 rawmuse  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:32:31pm

re: #198 Ackomanyuki

I am a natural cynic, but that list of things we should do could easily be named "things that will happen when it snows in hell".

209 Kenneth  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:32:57pm

re: #183 lawhawk

Exactly. Talisman's Gate is very well informed about what's happening in Iraq. This certainly fits the pattern we've been seeing.

Oh, did I mention?... the US has 3 aircraft carriers in the Gulf/Arabian Sea...

210 yma o hyd  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:34:01pm

re: #206 Cognito

Ah - too many chats with Irish friends sort of tends to colour one's expressions ...

211 itellu3times  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:34:21pm

re: #203 alegrias

Whaaat. I just report, you decide. Do I look like a military genius to you?

Sure, from certain angles!

One never wants to underestimate what the Israelis can do, I'm just sayin' any effective strike against Iran would put pretty much all the others to shame since those bits Moses pulled.

212 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:35:13pm

re: #205 taxfreekiller

Can not deal with the Hildie Beast, to commie for me,,, but,,,


What the Democrats and MSM are doing to her is so "way wrong",,,

Its just not right, glad its getting done, but no way is it right,
evil vs evil makes an ugly trail of ugly blood.

The Democrats turned their glass celling into concrete.

* * *
Hi Taxfree--that's because you're a decent human being. Watching McGovern & Carter trash Hillary when both those two bozos let millions suffer and die, just shows what they're made of, and it isn't right, it's leftist.

213 wolfie  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:35:24pm

re: #200 itellu3times

He didn't say they were killed, ...

(don't mean to make fun of what might actually be a very serious scenario, but hey)

ROFLMAO !
(May God forgive my chuckle, for the obvious reasons.)

215 yma o hyd  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:37:25pm

re: #211 itellu3times

Sure, from certain angles!

One never wants to underestimate what the Israelis can do, I'm just sayin' any effective strike against Iran would put pretty much all the others to shame since those bits Moses pulled.

Yep. As seen last in their strike against Syria's nuclear installations.
They are unsurpassed at keeping secrets really secret, and they are not fighting the next war with the methods of the last.
I'd be surprised if Israel didn't surprise us.

216 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:37:55pm
217 WriterMom  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:38:21pm

re: #120 Maine's Michael

{michael}

218 U.S.S. Nixon  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:39:02pm

Crickets coming from the Media and UN.. Shocking...

219 Macker  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:39:10pm

Don't you mean Civil War AGAIN!

220 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:39:32pm

re: #211 itellu3times

Sure, from certain angles!

One never wants to underestimate what the Israelis can do, I'm just sayin' any effective strike against Iran would put pretty much all the others to shame since those bits Moses pulled.

* * *
Of the ten Moses plagues, I thought hailing snowballs was cool, as was turning the rivers red.

Charlton Heston versus Iran, woo hooo! Get your popcorn right here. Send Jimmy Carter as a human shield for extra payback points.

221 Creeping Eruption  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:40:16pm

re: #220 alegrias

* * *
Of the ten Moses plagues, I thought hailing snowballs was cool, as was turning the rivers red.

Charlton Heston versus Iran, woo hooo! Get your popcorn right here. Send Jimmy Carter as a human shield for extra payback points.

Sounds like video game in the making

222 yma o hyd  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:40:22pm

re: #216 buzzsawmonkey

True; it's astonishing how the thundering herd of turncoats rushing to embrace Obama and carry his America-hating baggage make one sympathetic to Hillary.

I don't like her. But she looks a hell of a lot better than her primary opponent.

Especially when one can see all these 'democrats' (even over here) moan publicly that she should give up, why doesn't she ...
Rats entering a sinking O-ship, I hope!

223 looking closely  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:40:22pm

re: #61 MandyManners

Why doesn't Israel just send in a team to take out Nasrallah?


I'm sure it would if it could, but despite the mythology of the Mossad, its not so easy to go into a foreign country, assassinate a well-guarded political figure, and get away with it.

As to this escalation of violence, I think anyone watching the situation knew it was coming. Hizb'Allah has been trying to take over Lebanon for decades, and it already effectively runs the Southern part. The Lebanese government is weak, always has been, and is recently weaker by the repeated assassination of any strong anti-Syrian or anti-Hizb'allah elements.

No longer majority Christian, Lebanon is effectively now at the tipping point. Its best bet is for Israel to come in with a scorched earth type invasion, though that's simply not going to happen at this point.

224 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:40:32pm

re: #218 U.S.S. Nixon

Crickets coming from the Media

Yes, indeed. Hardly a word uttered.

225 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:41:14pm
226 threecoloursblue  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:42:05pm

re: #196 wolfie

Look it up. Military.ie perhaps. About 50/50 PLO/ Hisb and the Israeli army. The Israelis kill PLO, but leave them to picked out of the gullies by UN troops. If the troops go off by a yard, the Israeli bunkers- who operate a hedgehog defence system - let rip in 360 Degrees. It's not a place for the fainthearted when the shit starts to fly.

227 sattv4u2  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:42:49pm

re: #224 Cognito

Yes, indeed. Hardly a word uttered.

127 articles worldwide, some of which are duplicates, is a collective media YAWN

228 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:43:20pm
229 Last Mohican  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:43:24pm

re: #195 brainwizard73

Great Stuff! How about John Kerry?

"Work hard in your madrassa...study and listen to your imams, or you might be sent to Lebanon."

Excellent. Here's another one:

Jimmy Carter: It's deplorable that Israel has decided to launch this unprovoked attack on Lebanon today. What did you say? No, you're wrong! Israel did so attack Lebanon today! I happened to be in Beirut this morning, and I personally saw the Israeli tanks rolling over the border.

230 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:43:25pm
231 uptight  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:43:32pm

If only the media would just call them "youths", then it will be nothing to worry about.

232 opnion  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:44:14pm

re: #205 taxfreekiller

Can not deal with the Hildie Beast, to commie for me,,, but,,,


What the Democrats and MSM are doing to her is so "way wrong",,,

Its just not right, glad its getting done, but no way is it right,
evil vs evil makes an ugly trail of ugly blood.

The Democrats turned their glass celling into concrete.

I am actually getting a little sympathy for Hillary. Unlike Barry, she at least has the decency to be a wolf in wolf's clothing.

233 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:44:24pm

Also our allies in Iraq are squeezing Iran to clear out of Iraq.

Wouldn't it be something if our Iraqi military friends exerted their new muscles and helped rout Hezbollans?

234 looking closely  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:44:52pm

re: #230 buzzsawmonkey

Listening to Daniel Snore Schorr last week on NPR, as he bemoaned the operation of the democratic selection process and urged the institution of a single national primary, I could not help but marvel at the anti-democratic sentiments the "party of the people" hide in plain sight.

As I've pointed out again and again, how ironic is it that the so called
"Democratic" party doesn't trust the popular vote enough to use it to pick its nominee?

235 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:44:56pm

re: #227 sattv4u2

127 articles worldwide, some of which are duplicates, is a collective media YAWN

Um, no. There just happen to be 127 on that particular search. There are thousands worldwide. If you're feeling sleepy, I suggest black coffee.

236 Peacekeeper  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:46:09pm

It puts pressure on Iran, they're trying to fund and run guerillas in Iraq, now their guerillas in Lebanon are in a shooting war too. I suppose that's to the good (but not much)

237 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:46:12pm
238 yma o hyd  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:46:18pm

re: #230 buzzsawmonkey

Listening to Daniel Snore Schorr last week on NPR, as he bemoaned the operation of the democratic selection process and urged the institution of a single national primary, I could not help but marvel at the anti-democratic sentiments the "party of the people" hide in plain sight.

Thats how lefties operate - play nice when in the minority, let mask drop when power within reach.
Ahem - does somehow remind me of how muslims operate as well ...

239 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:46:25pm
240 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:46:28pm
241 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:46:31pm

re: #225 song_and_dance_man

Right now Iran is making mad cash and has a bomb in the pipeline. They're feeling plucky.

242 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:46:51pm

re: #230 buzzsawmonkey

Listening to Daniel Snore Schorr last week on NPR, as he bemoaned the operation of the democratic selection process and urged the institution of a single national primary, I could not help but marvel at the anti-democratic sentiments the "party of the people" hide in plain sight.

* * *
I almost feel sorry for Hillary and her supporters who grew up believing lefty tawk, now seeing the mask drop off their former "idols" McGovern & Carter.

Bet Hillary's sorry she didn't remain a Barry Goldwater-Girl and made her Republican father proud~!

243 Ackomanyuki  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:46:53pm

re: #208 rawmuse

I am a natural cynic, but that list of things we should do could easily be named "things that will happen when it snows in hell".

Indeed, since most of the positions at regional and national field desks at Langley and Foggy Bottom are filled by people ingratiating thereselves to hostile regimes instead of actively directing their overthrow.

Kennedy FS School at Georgetown, et al, turns out nothing but Diplo-Wimps who seek exotic experiences in foriegn postings and not service to the stategic intrests of America.

244 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:47:13pm

Live blogging the war: Lebanese Political Journal

245 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:47:48pm

re: #240 song_and_dance_man

Now don't go get all uppity because you've made a fair point.

touché

246 Kenneth  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:47:52pm

Syrian lapdog Josh Landis sits up and barks:

By Provoking Hizbullah, Is Washington Hoping for a Showdown?

Will the latest US and March 14 provocation break Hizbullah or Lebanon? March 14 is targeting Hizbullah's communications system while Washington escalates pressure on Syria

That's the word from
Josh Landis,
Co-director, Center
for Middle East Studies
University of Oklahoma

247 sattv4u2  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:48:19pm

re: #235 Cognito

Um, no. There just happen to be 127 on that particular search. There are thousands worldwide. If you're feeling sleepy, I suggest black coffee.

wide awake here sir (unlike the snoozing media) ,, 127 "on that particular search" is pathetic unless your search criteria was so narrow as to include only the smallest parameters

248 lawhawk  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:48:35pm

Hah. Hizbullah says that it will use weapons to defend itself. As opposed to the weapons used thus far to provoke a war with the Lebanese government.

249 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:49:02pm
250 Derek  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:49:34pm

re: #191 itellu3times

Look at a map. Ain't gonna happen, at least not without major US assistance. The day Israel attacks Iran on its own is a day with nuclear weapons.

You're wrong.

251 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:49:45pm

re: #245 Cognito

touch%uFFFD

ha -- le LGF n'aime pas Français.

252 yma o hyd  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:50:01pm

re: #246 Kenneth

Syrian lapdog Josh Landis sits up and barks:

By Provoking Hizbullah, Is Washington Hoping for a Showdown?

That's the word from
Josh Landis,
Co-director, Center
for Middle East Studies
University of Oklahoma

Honestly.
But as those same people complain about the police disturbing the communication network between mafiosi - just plain stupid.
Pity that they are allowed to teach at universities, though.

253 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:50:24pm
254 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:50:35pm

re: #238 yma o hyd

Thats how lefties operate - play nice when in the minority, let mask drop when power within reach.
Ahem - does somehow remind me of how muslims operate as well ...

* * *
Totalitarian is as totalitarian does.

The Ayatollah came into power in Iran with the help of iranian communists--who were then slaughtered as useful idiots when the Mullahs took power. So much for people power fighting the Shah and his evil SAVAK...bet Iranians would vote back the Shah & toss their burkas if only they could rewrite history, now that they're older & wiser.

255 wolfie  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:50:47pm

re: #232 opnion

I am actually getting a little sympathy for Hillary. Unlike Barry, she at least has the decency to be a wolf in wolf's clothing.

I agree. The Clintons have always been used-car salesmen. They lie, they spin, they cheat, and they protest their innocence, but we all know it's a sham...and they know that we know...and we know that they know that we know...Well, you get the idea. Obama is the messiah.

(BTW, I strenuously object to your specieist bigotry! ;O )

256 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:51:11pm

re: #239 buzzsawmonkey

It would be so refreshing if they were merely corrupt, instead of corrupt and totalitarian.

Let's see...muslims act more like socialists than they do like conservatives...when the MSM wants to describe muslims, they're "conservative".

I know...y'all already knew

257 Kenneth  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:51:12pm

re: #233 alegrias

Also our allies in Iraq are squeezing Iran to clear out of Iraq.

Wouldn't it be something if our Iraqi military friends exerted their new muscles and helped rout Hezbollans?

The Iraqi Army encountered several Hezbollah commanders in Basra, sent by the Iranians to train & command the Mahdi Army Special Groups. So, yes, the Iraqis are fighting Hezbollah!

258 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:51:20pm

re: #247 sattv4u2

wide awake here sir (unlike the snoozing media) ,, 127 "on that particular search" is pathetic unless your search criteria was so narrow as to include only the smallest parameters

All right. If you've had a hard time finding news of events in Lebanon, then we have reached an impasse.

259 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:51:45pm

So, will they condemn Hezbos?

Or is it ok for Hezbos to bomb, but not Israel?

Get out the good folks, put a fence around it and wait for the explosions to cease, then check for survivors.

260 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:52:13pm

re: #241 Cognito

Right now Iran is making mad cash and has a bomb in the pipeline. They're feeling plucky.

* * *
While Iran's making mischief all over the place, why can't some friendly ally rush in and TAKE IRAN's OIL fields & "civilian" nuke plants!

261 yma o hyd  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:52:19pm

re: #248 lawhawk

Hah. Hizbullah says that it will use weapons to defend itself. As opposed to the weapons used thus far to provoke a war with the Lebanese government.

Wow!
Have they just been throwing stones, so far?

It is the same muslim pattern: be offended, then 'we'll keeelll you!'

262 Eowyn2  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:53:30pm

Countdown to
"Green Helmet Guy in Lebanon"
"A day in the life of Green Helmet Guy"

I've got my money on Saturday AM story of carnage featuring Lebanese children, red cross AND red crescent ambulances and the ever popular Green Helmet Guy with a Binky.

263 sattv4u2  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:53:31pm

re: #258 Cognito

All right. If you've had a hard time finding news of events in Lebanon, then we have reached an impasse.

YOU post a link with a mere 127 reports as "proof" that the story is all over the media, then state that I am having a hard time finding news ,,,
as my son says ,,,

EARTH TO COG !

264 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:53:35pm

re: #261 yma o hyd

Wow!
Have they just been throwing stones, so far?

It is the same muslim pattern: be offended, then 'we'll keeelll you!'

"Are you kidding me? I'd kill you for a Klondike bar."
- Achmed the Dead Terrorist, from Jeff Dunham. (which is extra great, since the word HAM is in his name.)

265 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:54:04pm

re: #263 sattv4u2

YOU post a link with a mere 127 reports as "proof" that the story is all over the media, then state that I am having a hard time finding news ,,,
as my son says ,,,

EARTH TO COG !

An impasse, as I said.

266 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:54:40pm

Did anyone hear Karl Rove and Dick Cheney just enter the room?...something about OIL?

267 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:55:08pm

re: #232 opnion

I am actually getting a little sympathy for Hillary. Unlike Barry, she at least has the decency to be a wolf in wolf's clothing.

It's a shame they both can't lose.

/Kissinger mode off

268 Kenneth  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:55:27pm

re: #252 yma o hyd

Hexbollah loads up on arms, assassinates gov't officials, blockades the parliament buildings, runs an independant state in southern Lebanaon, takes over security at Beruit airport, builds an illegal cell-phone network, ... does Landis consider all that "provocation"? No, it's understandable...

...but when the Lebanese gov't finally responds?

It a PROVOCATION! BY the USA!

269 opnion  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:55:36pm

re: #255 wolfie

I agree. The Clintons have always been used-car salesmen. They lie, they spin, they cheat, and they protest their innocence, but we all know it's a sham...and they know that we know...and we know that they know that we know...Well, you get the idea. Obama is the messiah.

(BTW, I strenuously object to your specieist bigotry! ;O )

Ah rest assured that I was not referring to your particular breed.
You are so right about the Cliintons. Watching them lie & cheat is truly viewing artists at work.
Pretences are pretty much gone. We know what thet are & they get it.
The Obamas on the other hand are early on in their con.

270 WriterMom  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:55:38pm

OT: Has anyone heard a peep, or even a mini peep from Poitiers Lepanto?

P.L if you are out there-RETURN TO THE MOTHERSHIP.

I miss you!

{OINK}

271 wolfie  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:55:38pm

re: #256 eschew_obfuscation

Let's see...muslims act more like socialists than they do like conservatives...when the MSM wants to describe muslims, they're "conservative".

I know...y'all already knew

Same strategy they had in the Cold War. Hard-liner Commies in the USSR were always called the "conservatives."
The more things change, the more they stay the same, no?

272 sattv4u2  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:55:42pm

re: #265 Cognito

An impasse, as I said.

or a roadblock !

273 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:55:45pm
274 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:55:50pm

Frankly, I don't have a problem with anyone fighting the terrorists.

Maybe, if the struggle is severe enough, they'll see how evil terrorism is and they'll DISTANCE themselves from such freaks of humanity.

It CAN happen... I think.

275 Eowyn2  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:55:53pm

re: #248 lawhawk

Hah. Hizbullah says that it will use weapons to defend itself. As opposed to the weapons used thus far to provoke a war with the Lebanese government to kill hundreds of innocent shoppers

276 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:56:42pm

re: #228 Ben Hur

California Man Believes He Sees Virgin Mary In Wound


oh for the love of...Yeah, and I had a french fry at a restaurant one time that resembled Mel Brooks!

...so I asked for some kosher salt and ate him anyway!

277 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:56:46pm

re: #272 sattv4u2

or a roadblock !

For heaven's sake. Is it really numbers that you're looking for? It's coverage. Full stop.

278 looking closely  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:57:09pm

re: #267 Son of the Black Dog

It's a shame they both can't lose.

/Kissinger mode off

Who says they can't both lose?
I think, in fact, that it is likely that they will both lose.

279 WriterMom  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:57:20pm

re: #276 paxnhymn

Hopefully, he won't try to sell it on e-Bay.

280 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:57:27pm

re: #248 lawhawk

Hah. Hizbullah says that it will use weapons to defend itself. As opposed to the weapons used thus far to provoke a war with the Lebanese government.

Would those be the weapons the UN said they were going to stop them from getting?

281 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:57:31pm

re: #271 wolfie

Same strategy they had in the Cold War. Hard-liner Commies in the USSR were always called the "conservatives."
The more things change, the more they stay the same, no?

but only if something bad happened.

As long as they could ignore what happened or could spin it as good or the fault of someone else, they snuggled up to communists.

A la "Uncle Joe"

282 yma o hyd  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:57:39pm

re: #268 Kenneth

Hexbollah loads up on arms, assassinates gov't officials, blockades the parliament buildings, runs an independant state in southern Lebanaon, takes over security at Beruit airport, builds an illegal cell-phone network, ... does Landis consider all that "provocation"? No, it's understandable...

...but when the Lebanese gov't finally responds?

It a PROVOCATION! BY the USA!

But of course!
By tomorrow evening, it was the Mossad that has beguiled the innocent Lebanese government into taking on its 'protector', hissbollah ...

283 sattv4u2  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:57:40pm

re: #277 Cognito

For heaven's sake. Is it really numbers that you're looking for? It's coverage. Full stop.

no ,, it was ACCURACY that I was looking for ( that was not provided by your 1st link)

284 U.S.S. Nixon  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:57:53pm

re: #271 wolfie

Same strategy they had in the Cold War. Hard-liner Commies in the USSR were always called the "conservatives."
The more things change, the more they stay the same, no?

Funny isn't it. New threat same political attacks.

285 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:58:07pm

re: #259 LanceKates

So, will they condemn Hezbos?

Or is it ok for Hezbos to bomb, but not Israel?

Get out the good folks, put a fence around it and wait for the explosions to cease, then check for survivors.

* * *
Pssst, Lance, your mission is to find that pro Hezbo creep in Oklahoma (see #252)

286 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:58:15pm

Well, WABC radio news comes on in 3 minutes.

Let's listen for a report.

287 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:58:43pm

re: #214 WriterMom

Have you ever noticed, this god of theirs, alan, is supposed to be so all-fired powerful, but yet he can't eliminate a few measly filthy vermin from Israel by himself. he's got to have legions of brain-roasted gee-hawists to do the job for him. But they are like the steer in the cow pasture, cant get it done

288 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:59:55pm

re: #283 sattv4u2

no ,, it was ACCURACY that I was looking for ( that was not provided by your 1st link)

Right. It's accuracy you were searching for, when you said,

127 "on that particular search" is pathetic

Not numbers. Apparently I misunderstood.

Ah, well.

289 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 12:59:56pm

re: #286 Ben Hur

Well, WABC radio news comes on in 3 minutes.

Let's listen for a report.


yep ain't no spin like Mickey's spin...(sheesh)

290 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:00:11pm

re: #266 eschew_obfuscation

Did anyone hear Karl Rove and Dick Cheney just enter the room?...something about OIL?

* * *
Now you're talkin my kind of idol! Big Time.

291 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:00:22pm
292 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:00:28pm

Senator Barack Obama

Obama for America
P.O. Box 8102
Chicago, IL 60680

Dear Senator Obama,

This has been an historic and exciting campaign. Millions of new voters have been brought into the process and their enthusiasm for the Democratic Party and the principles for which you and I have fought and continue to fight is unprecedented.

One of the foremost principles of our party is that citizens be allowed to vote and that those votes be counted. That principle is not currently being applied to the nearly 2.5 million people who voted in primaries in Florida and Michigan. Whoever emerges as the Democratic nominee will be hamstrung in the general election if a fair and quick resolution is not reached that ensures that the voices of these voters are heard. Our commitment now to this goal could be the difference between winning and losing in November.

I have consistently said that the votes cast in Florida and Michigan in January should be counted. We cannot ignore the fact that the people in those states took the time to be a part of this process and to make their preferences known. When efforts were untaken by leaders in those states to hold revotes to ensure that they had a voice in selecting our nominee, I supported those efforts. In Michigan, I supported a legislative effort to hold a revote that the Democratic National Committee said was in complete compliance with the party's rules. You did not support those efforts and your supporters in Michigan publically opposed them. In Florida a number of revote options were proposed. I am not aware of any that you supported. In 2000, the Republicans won an election by successfully opposing a fair counting of votes in Florida. As Democrats, we must reject any proposals that would do the same.

Your commitment to the voters of these states must be clearly stated and your support for a fair and quick resolution must be clearly demonstrated.


I am asking you to join me in working with representatives from Florida and Michigan and the Democratic National Committee to arrive at a solution that honors the votes of the millions of people who went to the polls in Florida and Michigan. It is not enough to simply seat their representatives at the convention in Denver. The people of these great states, like the people who have voted and are to vote in other states, must have a voice in selecting our party's nominee.

Sincerely,

Hillary Rodham Clinton


[Link: origin.observer.com...]

293 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:00:37pm

re: #228 Ben Hur

California Man Believes He Sees Virgin Mary In Wound

Someone else sees something a little more intimate in a tub of margarine.
Scroll down about a third of the page and you will see it.

294 Eowyn2  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:00:43pm

re: #230 buzzsawmonkey

Listening to Daniel Snore Schorr last week on NPR, as he bemoaned the operation of the democratic selection process and urged the institution of a single national primary, I could not help but marvel at the anti-democratic sentiments the "party of the people" hide in plain sight.

A national primary and then a national election really isnt too bad of an idea. We had a crappy crapp crapp caucus. Only the big shots within the party structure even get to vote so whats the point and we wind up with McCain.

295 sattv4u2  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:01:07pm

re: #288 Cognito

Not numbers. Apparently I misunderstood.

Ah, well.

se ,,, now you get it ,,, your PAOT (regardless of numbers) wasn;t ACCURATE ,,, Ah well (wow , that was deep !)

296 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:01:09pm

re: #285 alegrias

* * *
Pssst, Lance, your mission is to find that pro Hezbo creep in Oklahoma (see #252)

Given the way OU fought against letting honorably discharged soldiers be armed on campus and the way they covered up the muslim student who blew himself up outside the Sooners' stadium, I'm not suprised that a creep like that is there.

I'm a fan of OU football. I'm beginning to loathe the rest of the University.

297 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:01:51pm

re: #266 eschew_obfuscation

Did anyone hear Karl Rove and Dick Cheney just enter the room?...something about OIL?

* * *
Haven't we had enough namby pamby discussion about gas tax holidays this summer? While Iran is ripe for plucking and our Navy is right offshore...I can dream we're oil-thirsty imperialists.

298 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:02:11pm

re: #268 Kenneth

Hexbollah loads up on arms, assassinates gov't officials, blockades the parliament buildings, runs an independant state in southern Lebanaon, takes over security at Beruit airport, builds an illegal cell-phone network, ... does Landis consider all that "provocation"? No, it's understandable...

...but when the Lebanese gov't finally responds?

It a PROVOCATION! BY the USA!

Because dhimmi shits like Landis believe Hizballah is a legitimate government, fighting on the side of anti-"imperalism", etc. But you knew that.

299 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:03:22pm
300 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:03:29pm

re: #7 Peacekeeper

Hezbollah has demanded that the government of Lebanon withdraw to an area south of the Litani River.

"Way down upon the Litani River.."

/swanee river

301 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:03:33pm

Yup.

They covered it.

But they've just reassured us that it's all just a show of force with people blindly into enemy areas. And throwing rocks. No "hand to hand" combat.

Kilgore Trout! Tell your live blogging friend who's cowering in his apt because of the bullets zipping by his window, to just chill out. Nothing's really happening.

WABC said so.

What would he know sitting in Beirut?

302 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:03:45pm

re: #285 alegrias

Ah, careful with those kinds of posts, even in jest.

303 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:04:24pm
304 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:05:23pm

re: #268 Kenneth

Hexbollah loads up on arms, assassinates gov't officials, blockades the parliament buildings, runs an independant state in southern Lebanaon, takes over security at Beruit airport, builds an illegal cell-phone network, ... does Landis consider all that "provocation"? No, it's understandable...

...but when the Lebanese gov't finally responds?

It a PROVOCATION! BY the USA!

* * *
But but but Hezbollah provides good social services to the community, for the last twenty years I've been at their mosque.

/obama mode off

305 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:05:37pm

re: #298 Occasional Reader

Because dhimmi shits like Landis believe Hizballah is a legitimate government, fighting on the side of anti-"imperalism", etc. But you knew that.

Look him up. You can find his picture. He looks like someone who had a rough childhood, people giving him wedgies and locking him in his locker, so now he's getting back at american society by supporting those who would work for our downfall.

Anyone care to take odds as to his position on gun control? I'd bet that he's against you or I being armed, but has no problem with terrorists like the Hezbos being armed...

306 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:05:47pm

re: #293 CyanSnowHawk

Now thats just plain vulgar. But the killer is the shoes! did you see the shoes from Japan? If it's Japanese,it must be wierd.

307 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:05:51pm

re: #293 CyanSnowHawk

NICE!

308 wolfie  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:06:00pm

re: #269 opnion


The Obamas on the other hand are early on in their con.

And worst of all, I think they themselves believe a lot of the hype.

309 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:06:07pm
310 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:06:09pm

re: #293 CyanSnowHawk

Someone else sees something a little more intimate in a tub of margarine.
Scroll down about a third of the page and you will see it.

That's disgusting.

311 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:06:16pm

re: #297 alegrias

* * *
Haven't we had enough namby pamby discussion about gas tax holidays this summer? While Iran is ripe for plucking and our Navy is right offshore...I can dream we're oil-thirsty imperialists.

If it wasn't such an inhuman thing to do, I'd suggest paving the ME and starting over. It doesn't seem as if it could get much worse.

312 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:06:18pm

re: #301 Ben Hur

Again, man. There's been a slew of on-the-scene reportage, published around the globe. I'm not sure why you seem determined to say otherwise.

There are many things that can be laid at the feet of the media, I suppose. But what's happening in Lebanon ain't one.

313 sattv4u2  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:06:19pm

re: #288 Cognito

Not numbers. Apparently I misunderstood.

Ah, well.

sesee ,,, now you get it ,,, your PAOT POST (regardless of numbers) wasn;t ACCURATE ,,, Ah well (wow , that was deep !)


'nother lesson learned ,, don't type, eat a sammich, and talk on the phone at the same time !

PIMF

314 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:06:41pm

re: #303 Iron Fist

We can run their countries better than they do, too.

I get dibs on Brazil.

(purely for altruistic reasons, mind you)

315 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:06:55pm

re: #280 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Would those be the weapons the UN said they were going to stop them from getting?

* * *
They mean sacks of flour & food aid.

316 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:06:57pm

re: #303 Iron Fist

,

We should be. We're going to get called it anyway, so why not form a new American Empire? We can run their countries better than they do, too.

Heh.

Fortunately, we're not as evil as they say we are.

Isn't always the best for our pocketbook, but it does wonders for our soul

317 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:07:06pm
318 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:07:11pm

STOP THE PRESS!

BREAKING NEWS!

MESSIAH WEARS JEANS.

SHOWS PACKAGE!

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

319 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:07:22pm

re: #299 song_and_dance_man

"Shout louder!" ... "Surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened."


you forgot his best taunt..."maybe he has gone aside (presumably to pee)"...one a my all time faves...

320 looking closely  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:07:28pm

re: #273 Iron Fist

,
If the US would really back the government of Lebanon, then Hizb'Allah could be beaten.


And if my Grandmother had wings. . .

Ultimately, Hizb'Allah is a branch of the Iranian army with a shiny PR campaign. Its as simple as that.

The best way to get rid of Hizb'Allah is with regime change in Iran.

321 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:07:47pm

re: #309 Occasional Reader

NY Times online currently (16:04 EDST) has no front page story on Lebanon.

That's weird. I'm sitting here looking at it, on the front page.

322 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:08:00pm

re: #309 Occasional Reader

NY Times online currently (16:04 EDST) has no front page story on Lebanon.

But if the Israelis were involved, it would be top story above the fold and continue onto the back page; probably fill the back page. Hell, it would probably get a special section with all sorts of "serious" journalistic brow-rubbing.

323 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:08:29pm

re: #314 Occasional Reader

I get dibs on Brazil.

(purely for altruistic reasons, mind you)

"Female" altruistic reasons, I'm sure ;~0

324 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:08:43pm
325 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:08:47pm

re: #302 Occasional Reader

Ah, careful with those kinds of posts, even in jest.

I didn't even TAKE it as a call for violence.

If anything happens to this punk, let me state now. I have nothing to do with it, I don't know him or am I the type of person who would do such a thing.

326 tripster  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:09:01pm

re: #303 Iron Fist

Maybe something like McCain's league of democracies? Oh, wait he back off of that.

Never mind.

327 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:09:20pm

re: #321 Cognito

That's weird. I'm sitting here looking at it, on the front page.

Mea culpa. A smallish headline. Missed it. Sorry.

328 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:09:21pm

re: #320 looking closely

... is with regime change in Iran.


That would solve a whole bucket load of problems.

329 bosforus  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:09:50pm

These headlines are f*n driving me nuts! Doesn't anyone know Hezbollah are terrorists other than the US?

330 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:10:05pm

re: #322 Lucius Septimius

But if the Israelis were involved, it would be top story above the fold and continue onto the back page; probably fill the back page. Hell, it would probably get a special section with all sorts of "serious" journalistic brow-rubbing.

Again. Are you guys just looking for something to gripe about? Is the coverage of the Lebanon conflict decent enough -- and yes, it's on the NYT front page -- that you have to pretend what they might do if...?

331 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:10:12pm
332 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:10:30pm

re: #312 Cognito

Again, man. There's been a slew of on-the-scene reportage, published around the globe. I'm not sure why you seem determined to say otherwise.

There are many things that can be laid at the feet of the media, I suppose. But what's happening in Lebanon ain't one.

Cog!

We've (u and me or I) have moved beyond that!

I'm not questioning whether or not it's being reported.

I'm still going to moniter the frequency of the reporting, at what point they place the story, what they said in the story, the difference between how they report on Israel's actions compared to others, on the spin put on it, etc etc.

I've been doing that for as long as I can remember regarding Israel.

Any Israel advocate does.

333 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:10:47pm

re: #314 Occasional Reader

I get dibs on Brazil.

(purely for altruistic reasons, mind you)

I'll take every country surrounding Israel.

Only way I can ensure Israel's safety.

334 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:10:51pm

re: #252 yma o hyd

Honestly.
But as those same people complain about the police disturbing the communication network between mafiosi - just plain stupid.
Pity that they are allowed to teach at universities, though.

Hmmm... Landis. Is he a self-hating Jew?

335 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:10:57pm

re: #324 song_and_dance_man

Amazing. That reminds me of this.


is that margarize harem, Abdul?

336 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:10:58pm
337 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:11:00pm

re: #189 Last Mohican

Olmert: re: #280 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Maybe the UN will finally do something. It was fine when those weapons were to be used against Jooos, but now they'll be used against Lebanese!
The UN will promptly take action and withdraw.

338 sattv4u2  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:11:04pm

re: #321 Cognito

That's weird. I'm sitting here looking at it, on the front page.

it is on the "front page" with the benign headline


CONFRONTATION in Lebanon APPEARS to escalate

339 Maximu§  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:11:10pm

Fierce clashes raged in Beirut on Thursday...

Send in the Clowns...ooops UN forces are already there.

my bad

340 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:11:37pm

re: #329 bosforus

These headlines are f*n driving me nuts! Doesn't anyone know Hezbollah are terrorists other than the US?

How can the "Party of god" in the "Religion of Peace" possibly be a "terrorist" organization?
/ / /

341 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:12:10pm

re: #318 Ben Hur

STOP THE PRESS!

BREAKING NEWS!

MESSIAH WEARS JEANS.

SHOWS PACKAGE!

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Wait... civil war in lebenon between them and their video is of Obama wearing jeans?

And they have the nerve to call it "BREAKING" video?

342 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:12:26pm

re: #332 Ben Hur

Cog!

We've (u and me or I) have moved beyond that!

I'm not questioning whether or not it's being reported.

I'm still going to moniter the frequency of the reporting, at what point they place the story, what they said in the story, the difference between how they report on Israel's actions compared to others, on the spin put on it, etc etc.

I've been doing that for as long as I can remember regarding Israel.

Any Israel advocate does.

I get that, but it's not quite a one-to-one thing. A bit less than scientific. Anything that happens to or in Israel is going to be bigger news because it's pretty much the center of the universe.

That said, yeah, the coverage would hardly be fair.

343 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:12:41pm

re: #299 song_and_dance_man

"Shout louder!" ... "Surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened."

In the real Hebrew translation there is a part where Elijah says

maybe he is on the pot taking a crap

or something similar

LOL

Buzz can you verify?

344 WriterMom  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:12:50pm

re: #318 Ben Hur

I believe the more up to date term is 'junk'. You're dating yourself.

:P

345 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:12:56pm

re: #311 eschew_obfuscation

If it wasn't such an inhuman thing to do, I'd suggest paving the ME and starting over. It doesn't seem as if it could get much worse.

* * *
Charles doesn't like that suggestion!

I'd much rather have friendly allies grow a pair & take over Iran.
I'd vote for Al Maliki to run both Iraq & Iran, modernize both their oil production, and expect to do business as allies.

346 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:13:11pm

re: #335 paxnhymn
What is that thing? an Islamic toilet or something?

347 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:13:18pm

re: #339 Maximu§

Fierce clashes raged in Beirut on Thursday...

Send in the Clowns...ooops UN forces are already there.

my bad

Watch those MFers run for the Israeli border when the shooting starts in earnest.

348 WriterMom  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:13:31pm

re: #321 Cognito

You're at the New York Times?

I knew it!

349 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:13:59pm

re: #317 buzzsawmonkey

One thing that should be pointed out is that the Republican primary system is much simpler and more democratic than the "Democrat" system, which is gratuitously arcane.

The state-by-state primary system is a good one, IMHO, insofar as it is yet another expression of federalism; a single national primary would, like the abandonment of the Electoral College, ensure that candidates would only have to address the concerns of (read: "pander to" if you're feeling cynical) each individual state. In fact, one could argue that even more than the Electoral College, it guarantees that candidates MUST campaign in every state and earn the votes of citizens in every part of the country. Yes you can ignore states, but at your peril; in any event the media (and this is one place where their wacky obsession with the minutiae of electioneering is useful) forces the candidates to go out and kiss babies in places where, in the absence of state primaries, they'd never go.

(Gotta run and turn in my final grades -- yippee I"m done!)

350 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:14:11pm
gets nails and hammer ready
351 yma o hyd  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:14:17pm

re: #337 Kosh's Shadow

Olmert: re: #280 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Maybe the UN will finally do something. It was fine when those weapons were to be used against Jooos, but now they'll be used against Lebanese!
The UN will promptly take action and withdraw.

Probably that dwarf (not dissing dwarves generally, I'm not!) in Iran is having conniptions right now and is ordering hissbolla to desist from misusing their shiny new weapons ...

352 shanester  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:14:27pm

Why is it always "US-supported" Lebanon? It's not like we're propping them up that much. It makes it sounds as though Lebanon is a puppet government of the US. Especially next to "Iran-supported" Hez. Now Iran IS basically funding and propping up Hez.

Please, Hez would say they declared war if they saw a citizen spit out gum onto their side of the street. "It was an act of disrepect and aggression! We are at war! They declared it with the desecration of our streets with INFIDEL SPIT!"

"INFIDEL SPIT!" Arrrgh!

353 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:14:34pm

re: #345 alegrias

* * *
Charles doesn't like that suggestion!

I'd much rather have friendly allies grow a pair & take over Iran.
I'd vote for Al Maliki to run both Iraq & Iran, modernize both their oil production, and expect to do business as allies.

That works too, but I think Lance has dibs on Iran now.

354 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:14:58pm

re: #348 WriterMom

You're at the New York Times?

I knew it!

Mm?

355 WriterMom  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:15:00pm

re: #350 BabbaZee

RUH ROH.

Did God tell you to build an arky-arky?

Build it out of hickory barky-barky?

356 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:15:03pm

re: #343 BabbaZee

In the real Hebrew translation there is a part where Elijah says

maybe he is on the pot taking a crap

or something similar

LOL

Buzz can you verify?


I'll have to look at Mrs. Pax' myriad of translations, but most refer to baal being "busy taking a pee" in some form or fashion...

357 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:15:12pm

re: #351 yma o hyd

Probably that dwarf (not dissing dwarves generally, I'm not!) in Iran is having conniptions right now and is ordering hissbolla to desist from misusing their shiny new weapons ...

He's not a dwarf!

He's President Fonz!

358 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:15:17pm

Iran and Iraq should become one country.
They can call themselves Irate.

359 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:15:24pm

re: #341 LanceKates

Wait... civil war in lebenon between them and their video is of Obama wearing jeans?

And they have the nerve to call it "BREAKING" video?

Package matters!

Vote for the package!


*spit*

360 David Simon  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:15:39pm

re: #334 Ward Cleaver

Hmmm... Landis. Is he a self-hating Jew?

Doesn't look it:

[Link: faculty-staff.ou.edu...]

361 So?  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:15:43pm

OT ...but maybe not

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

On Israel's 60th Anniversary, may 60 nukes turn this little man
and his country into dust and sand.


This little puke of a man has the nerve to call Israel : a stinking corpse


I piss on him 60 times on Isreal's 60th birthday

Man I'm pissed.

362 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:15:44pm

re: #352 shanester

It makes it sounds as though Lebanon is a puppet government of the US.

That is EXACTLY why.

363 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:15:49pm

re: #358 BabbaZee

Iran and Iraq should become one country.
They can call themselves Irate.

All right, that really made me laugh

364 WriterMom  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:15:58pm

re: #354 Cognito

I'm just joking...you said 'I'm sitting here, reading it on the front page'. Sitting here >at the New York Times.

Whatever. My joke flopped.

365 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:16:31pm

re: #356 paxnhymn

I'll have to look at Mrs. Pax' myriad of translations, but most refer to baal being "busy taking a pee" in some form or fashion...

Ya I have about 35 translations here on the desk
I'm just lazy at the moment

366 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:16:38pm

re: #358 BabbaZee

Iran and Iraq should become one country.
They can call themselves Irate.

Ooooh, there could be "seething"!

367 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:16:54pm

re: #353 eschew_obfuscation

That works too, but I think Lance has dibs on Iran now.

That's right.

It'll take a while to weed out the bad ones, but we'll get'r'done.

If Israel would like, I'll also take over the pallie section of land on a temporary basis so as to avoid overlapping of programs.

368 londonpride  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:17:13pm

OFF TOPIC

BREAKING NEWS

AL QAEDA leader in Iraq arrested

Just on SKY news in UK now - to new to be on web site yet.

Sorry to interrupt :-)

369 sattv4u2  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:17:13pm

re: #338 sattv4u2

it is on the "front page" with the benign headline


CONFRONTATION in Lebanon APPEARS to escalate

I had a CONFRONTATION with my son this morning. He wanted to wear the same shirt to school he had on yesterday
From a distance, I APPEAR to be younger and taller. If someone were to take a STANCE, (like I did with my son) they would say (or report) that I am older and shorter!

NYT ,, TAKE A STANCE ,,, APPEARS is not NEWS !

370 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:17:21pm
371 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:17:42pm
372 yma o hyd  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:17:50pm

re: #357 LanceKates

He's not a dwarf!

He's President Fonz!

You dissing the Fonzes of the World now, are ye?

373 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:18:03pm
374 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:18:06pm

re: #359 jcm

Package matters!

Vote for the package!


*spit*

As it turns out, I don't spend time looking at men's 'package'

I'll defer to Ocassional Reader for that.

375 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:18:06pm

re: #346 sojerofgod

What is that thing? an Islamic toilet or something?


that's the corner of the Kaba...the giant stainless vagina where you either

a) kiss the stone a where a schizophrenic pedophile walked, thus making you crazy yourself
or
b) stick your head in and go through a rebirthing ritual to be reborn as a bloodthirsty intolerant mutilator of women's genitalia.

lotta choices...

376 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:18:09pm
377 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:18:09pm

re: #368 londonpride

OFF TOPIC

BREAKING NEWS

AL QAEDA leader in Iraq arrested

Just on SKY news in UK now - to new to be on web site yet.

Sorry to interrupt :-)

Don't ever be sorry,
you have as much right to interrupt as any of us

and thanks for the news

If you have a link please post it

378 sparrowlake  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:18:19pm

re: #299 song_and_dance_man

"Shout louder!" ... "Surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened."

Not to put too fine a point on it, but one could also argue that it is perhaps time for the God of Abraham to step up to the plate already and hit one out of the park for the good guys.

379 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:18:30pm

re: #373 buzzsawmonkey

"And they capered around the altar which was made. And it came to pass at noon, that Eliyyahu mocked them, and said, Cry aloud, for he is a god: either he is musing, or he is easing himself, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he is sleeping and must be awakened. And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lances, till the blood gushed out upon them." I Kings 18, 27, 28.

EASING himself
that was it

thanks

380 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:18:32pm

re: #358 BabbaZee

Iran and Iraq should become one country.
They can call themselves Irate.

In elementary school, our joke was, "I-raq (knee in the nuts)... and I-ran (run)".

/you had to be there

381 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:18:46pm

re: #318 Ben Hur

STOP THE PRESS!

BREAKING NEWS!

MESSIAH WEARS JEANS.

SHOWS PACKAGE!

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Recreate '68, vote for Dick in '08.

382 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:18:48pm

re: #368 londonpride

OFF TOPIC

BREAKING NEWS

AL QAEDA leader in Iraq arrested

Just on SKY news in UK now - to new to be on web site yet.

Sorry to interrupt :-)


Arrested works. Found does as well.

383 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:18:49pm

re: #378 sparrowlake

Not to put too fine a point on it, but one could also argue that it is perhaps time for the God of Abraham to step up to the plate already and hit one out of the park for the good guys.


TIME is our problem not his

384 brainwizard73  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:18:50pm

re: #229 Last Mohican

Only a man of Carter's vision could see Israeli tanks rolling across the border from Beirut. Too bad he didn't foresee some other things...stagflation, Iran-hostage crisis, that he has become as much of a joke as a past president as he was as president.

Liberals.

385 WriterMom  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:18:56pm

re: #375 paxnhymn

OMG ROFL

386 U.S.S. Nixon  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:19:05pm

re: #358 BabbaZee

Iran and Iraq should become one country.
They can call themselves Irate.

Haha classic.

Another woman was killed by a stray bullet from celebratory gunfire in the southern suburb of Haret Hreik following a speech by Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah in which he said the U.S.-backed Lebanese government's decision to label Hezbollah's telecommunications network as illegal is tantamount to a "declaration of war."


Read that on Fox News.. What a moron

387 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:19:30pm

re: #330 Cognito

Again. Are you guys just looking for something to gripe about? Is the coverage of the Lebanon conflict decent enough -- and yes, it's on the NYT front page -- that you have to pretend what they might do if...?


We've had 60 years of if.

That's why it's important to point out the double standard.

388 yma o hyd  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:19:41pm

re: #360 David Simon

Doesn't look it:

[Link: faculty-staff.ou.edu...]

Nice girlie glasses he's wearing!

389 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:19:49pm

re: #372 yma o hyd

You dissing the Fonzes of the World now, are ye?

Yup. I got a letter from Torchwood saying that the Doctor said it was ok.

390 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:20:15pm

re: #360 David Simon

Doesn't look it:

[Link: faculty-staff.ou.edu...]

You're right, he's just a garden-variety twit, who married into a family of RoPers. Click on the "Wedding" icon.

391 brainwizard73  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:20:22pm

re: #331 buzzsawmonkey

Maybe someone should tell him to...change.

On grounds of good taste and decency, I refuse...utterly refuse, to open this link.

Shame on you Hilliary Clinton!

392 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:20:23pm

re: #345 alegrias
Actually, soon we won't have to nuke them. Our military has weapon right out of Buck Rogers, and these are the ones we know about.
Meet the Martian Heat Ray, Model M1. Fact is, we promote this as a non-lethal weapon when in fact is was designed to burn personnel to death from the inside out. And it can. They just won't say so cuz of the libs.
The next time we get into an all-out shootin' war (which is inevitable) We will be frying our enemies while sparing the majority of their infrastructure, as this thing pretty much just works on flesh.

393 looking closely  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:20:30pm

re: #349 Lucius Septimius

it guarantees that candidates MUST campaign in every state and earn the votes of citizens in every part of the country.


That's actually a critical part of the process, and I think one developmentally necessary to create a good President.

Hitting each state and talking to voters there (not to mention mingling with the muckety-mucks who run the politics inside the state) is part of the learning process every candidate needs to become President.

Otherwise consider that many, if not most of the candidates have literally never been to all 50 states in their lives.

The drawn out process gives the candidates time to polish their acts, as well as extra time for We the people to get a good look at them.

394 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:20:32pm

re: #366 eschew_obfuscation

Seetheapalooza Fridays!

395 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:20:34pm

re: #376 Iron Fist

,

We'd call those the Burned Lands, or the Great Glass Parking Lot, or something equally pretentious.

We're an evil Empire, after all. We have appearances to keep up.

No no, Just Lanceland.

In memory of the good Superman movies, I'll even call one city in particular "Otisburg"

396 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:20:45pm

OK, folks, now I've got a new dilemma with Fox News.

They did come crawling back and say they would like to get some specific photos from me in the future (and will pay for it) -- but on one condition: they insist on knowing who I am.

Now, my general rule is: I tell NO ONE my real identity. And I intend to stick by that rule.

So, what should my course of action be? Potential options include:

a. Tell Fox up front that I will never reveal my identity to them, and they'll just have to accept that fact. If their lawyers say that would make a relationship impossible, then so be it -- I can't work with them.

b. Just give them a fake made-up name, and tell them to pay me via PayPal (where my "name" is not needed -- no checks involved).

c. Enlist a friend/cohort/relative to act as my "beard," and give Fox that person's name instead of my own.

d. Just ask Fox right now what proof they'll need of my identity -- will they need to see my ID or something? Will they insist on paying by check? Will they require my Social Security number? If they say no proof is needed -- then give them a fake name. But by doing it this way, they'll basically know it's a fake name.

e. Just tell them my real name and violate the First Rule of Zombietime.

f. Say nothing at the moment, but over the next 48 hours provide them with the exact pictures they requested -- and make sure they're great pictures...and after I have them chomping at the bit for them -- inform Fox that they can use them if and only if I still get to keep my anonymity.

g. ...something else?

Currently, I'm wavering between a, d and f.

Recommendations?

397 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:21:16pm

re: #363 Cognito

All right, that really made me laugh

* * *
Iran & Iraq = I-rage!

398 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:21:21pm

re: #344 WriterMom

I believe the more up to date term is 'junk'. You're dating yourself.

:P

I thought junk was what J-lo has in her trunk.

399 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:21:21pm

re: #390 Ward Cleaver

You're right, he's just a garden-variety twit, who married into a family of RoPers. Click on the "Wedding" icon.

Yup. Self-Hating American seems rather appropraite.

400 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:22:04pm

re: #396 zombie

F!

401 3 wood  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:22:43pm

Speaking of the NYT:

NY Times made 'involuntary' newsroom staff cuts: report

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- The New York Times said Wednesday it had to make an unspecified number of involuntary cuts to its newsroom staff in a bid to meet its goal of reducing head count by 100, the Associated Press reported. Although most of the reduction came from staff accepting buyout offers, the newspaper still had to make involuntary cuts to meet its target, Executive Editor Bill Keller said in a memo to staff, according to the news agency. The newspaper will not disclose the number of people it had laid off.

402 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:22:51pm

re: #364 WriterMom

I'm just joking...you said 'I'm sitting here, reading it on the front page'. Sitting here >at the New York Times.

Whatever. My joke flopped.

Ah, don't feel bad. Comedy is hard.

I'll do my part, now, to make you feel less uncomfortable. A favorite one-line joke:

Roses are red Violets are blue, I'm a schizophrenic. And so am I.

403 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:22:57pm

I call the vote on the pr0n margarine.

In Favor
re: #307 Ben Hur

Opposed
re: #306 sojerofgod
re: #310 Ward Cleaver

Opposed by association to a true obscenity
re: #324 song_and_dance_man


According to the Lizard vote the pr0n margarine is deemed obscene. Not the way I would have called it, as I find beauty in all of our various parts, but I go with the vote an not reference it again.

404 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:23:04pm
405 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:23:16pm

re: #396 zombie

Use PayPal, the safe and secure way to buy and sell online.

406 sattv4u2  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:23:22pm

re: #396 zombie

the only things to do would be either "E" (my 1st choice) or "A". (sorry, maybe I would just be looking for my 15 minutes of fame)

407 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:23:27pm

re: #396 zombie

Can you afford a contract attorney, maybe Buzz or a Lizard legal beagle can help on details.

The attorney handles everything. You stay back in the shadow.

408 EC Marm  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:23:37pm

re: #361 So?

"Today the reason for the Zionist regime's existence is questioned, and this regime is on its way to annihilation."
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

We'll see how many MSM papers put a call for the annihilation of another country on the front page tomorrow.

409 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:23:45pm

re: #385 WriterMom


i lived with HadJi for two years...they're just loads of fun...

410 Eowyn2  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:23:55pm

re: #293 CyanSnowHawk

Someone else sees something a little more intimate in a tub of margarine.
Scroll down about a third of the page and you will see it.

I took the man test. I am not a wimp. For a hetero female I think I did pretty good.

411 yochanan  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:24:00pm

which is more useless UNIFIL or tits on a bull?

412 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:24:01pm

re: #396 zombie

OK, folks, now I've got a new dilemma with Fox News.

They did come crawling back and say they would like to get some specific photos from me in the future (and will pay for it) -- but on one condition: they insist on knowing who I am.

Now, my general rule is: I tell NO ONE my real identity. And I intend to stick by that rule.

So, what should my course of action be? Potential options include:

a. Tell Fox up front that I will never reveal my identity to them, and they'll just have to accept that fact. If their lawyers say that would make a relationship impossible, then so be it -- I can't work with them.

b. Just give them a fake made-up name, and tell them to pay me via PayPal (where my "name" is not needed -- no checks involved).

c. Enlist a friend/cohort/relative to act as my "beard," and give Fox that person's name instead of my own.

d. Just ask Fox right now what proof they'll need of my identity -- will they need to see my ID or something? Will they insist on paying by check? Will they require my Social Security number? If they say no proof is needed -- then give them a fake name. But by doing it this way, they'll basically know it's a fake name.

e. Just tell them my real name and violate the First Rule of Zombietime.

f. Say nothing at the moment, but over the next 48 hours provide them with the exact pictures they requested -- and make sure they're great pictures...and after I have them chomping at the bit for them -- inform Fox that they can use them if and only if I still get to keep my anonymity.

g. ...something else?

Currently, I'm wavering between a, d and f.

Recommendations?

You realize that they read this blog, yes?

413 Tazzerman  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:24:02pm

Israel and the U.S. have already been 'blamed'/implicated. Of COURSE Hezobllahs going to point the finger at us. They see the Lebanese govt has nothing but a "puppet" of the U.S./Israel.

Of course the fact that the Lebanese govt is loaded with Sunnis doesn't enter into this now does it...

"Nasrallah claimed Hezbollah’s secure network of primitive private land lines helped the guerrillas fight Israel’s high-tech army in the 2006 summer war.

He said the telecommunications network was “the most important part of the weapons of the resistance” and added Hezbollah had a duty to defend those weapons.

“The decision is tantamount to a declaration of war ... on the resistance and its weapons in the interest of America and Israel,” Nasrallah said.

414 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:24:03pm

re: #396 zombie

I'd go with a. or b.

415 bosforus  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:24:32pm

re: #396 zombie

D.
Find out what they want before you worry about if you're going to give it to them.

416 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:24:43pm

re: #403 CyanSnowHawk

but I go with the vote an not reference it again.

but I go with the vote and will not reference it again.

PIMF.

417 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:24:54pm

re: #411 yochanan

which is more useless UNIFIL or tits on a bull?

UNIFIL.

418 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:25:07pm

re: #396 zombie

Zombie, honestly I think you may be overthinking this a bit. If they're going to pay you, they just need to know your name and residency status for tax purposes.

If that's untenable on your end, just tell thanks but no thanks.

419 Creeping Eruption  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:25:46pm

re: #396 zombie

Option "a" or get an attorney to act as a go-between.

420 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:26:06pm

re: #401 3 wood

Speaking of the NYT:

NY Times made 'involuntary' newsroom staff cuts: report

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- The New York Times said Wednesday it had to make an unspecified number of involuntary cuts to its newsroom staff in a bid to meet its goal of reducing head count by 100, the Associated Press reported. Although most of the reduction came from staff accepting buyout offers, the newspaper still had to make involuntary cuts to meet its target, Executive Editor Bill Keller said in a memo to staff, according to the news agency. The newspaper will not disclose the number of people it had laid off.

How are cuts "involuntary" who has a gun to the Slime's head tell them to RIF staff? If it they have to make cut's to kept out of the red, they have other options.

NYSlimes plays the victim card... yet again.

421 3 wood  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:26:06pm

re: #396 zombie

Recommendations?


a.

I've dealt with the media a lot and found many of them to be liars. You stay absolutely confidential or it does not happen.

422 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:26:09pm
423 VegasRick  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:26:09pm

re: #375 paxnhymn

that's the corner of the Kaba...the giant stainless vagina where you either

a) kiss the stone a where a schizophrenic pedophile walked, thus making you crazy yourself
or
b) stick your head in and go through a rebirthing ritual to be reborn as a bloodthirsty intolerant mutilator of women's genitalia.

lotta choices...

I'd rather piss in it.

424 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:26:11pm

re: #411 yochanan

which is more useless UNIFIL or tits on a bull?


well, some time ago the tits were of some use...

can't say as much for unifil...

425 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:26:25pm

re: #403 CyanSnowHawk

I find beauty in butter, in all it's various forms too.

But that doesn't mean I display my butter to the general public.

426 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:26:26pm

Speech by Obama's pal Bill Ayers
at
World Education Forum
November 7, 2006


President Hugo Chavez, Vice-President Vicente Rangel, Ministers Moncada and Isturiz, invited guests,comrades. I’m honored and humbled to be here with you this morning. I bring greetings and support from your brothers and sisters throughout Northamerica. Welcome to the World Education Forum! Amamos la revolucion Bolivariana!

[SNIP]

427 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:26:52pm

re: #405 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Use PayPal, the safe and secure way to buy and sell online.

I do use PayPal -- but Fox insists in knowing my real name anyway.

428 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:26:59pm
429 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:27:07pm

re: #411 yochanan

which is more useless UNIFIL or tits on a bull?

Tits on bull pose no hazard to little boys, girls or goats.

430 looking closely  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:27:22pm

re: #392 sojerofgod


Meet the Martian Heat Ray, Model M1. Fact is, we promote this as a non-lethal weapon when in fact is was designed to burn personnel to death from the inside out..


As far as I can tell, this is effectively a directional microwave oven.

Undoubtedly its capable of killing people, but most probably aren't going to stand still long enough for it to happen.

Good for riot/crowd control, but I don't think it would have the ability to injure people inside of buildings or such, and the beams are probably relatively easily shielded.

431 yma o hyd  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:27:28pm

re: #389 LanceKates

Yup. I got a letter from Torchwood saying that the Doctor said it was ok.

Okay then - if the Doctor says its allright, then it is ...

432 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:27:31pm

re: #420 jcm

And screams over any gov job cuts.

433 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:27:38pm

re: #396 zombie

I wouldn't give them your real identity. Remember, they are a news organization. Wouldn't they love to be the ones who find out who the real Zombie is?

434 rawmuse  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:27:50pm

re: #396 zombie

They probably need to issue you a 1099 form. If the payment is over $600, then that is the law. So, sell the photos for $599.

435 Cap'n DOC  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:27:53pm

re: #245 Cognito

Can't even spell Cafe properly around here, much less my last name...

436 Macker  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:27:53pm

zombie: Protect Your Ass! is all I have to say.

437 mama winger  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:27:54pm

Buzzsawmonkey -

If you are here I have a favor to ask of you.

438 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:27:55pm

re: #406 sattv4u2

the only things to do would be either "E" (my 1st choice) or "A". (sorry, maybe I would just be looking for my 15 minutes of fame)

My goal is to AVOID my 15 minutes of fame. I seek total obscurity for my "actual identity."

439 snowcrash  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:28:10pm

Zombie it is for tax records and accounting purposes. Get a lawyer.

440 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:28:12pm

The Israeli Consulate invites you to Cool Israel - a free "Israel at 60" Dance Party! Today, 4-7 PM, in Washington Square Park (West 4th and University

441 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:28:16pm

re: #420 jcm

How are cuts "involuntary" who has a gun to the Slime's head tell them to RIF staff? If it they have to make cut's to kept out of the red, they have other options.

NYSlimes plays the victim card... yet again.

Yeah, but they HAD to make those cuts... poor them... because people like us just aren't required to buy their newspaper!

How horrible of us to put those people out on the streets... and just before Mothers' Day!

(this just shows how horrible the Bush Economy is and how deep of a recession we are in. And don't bother showing me anything saying that the economy is going up, if NYT reporters are on the streets, it is a recession!)

(yes, / )

442 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:28:20pm
443 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:28:31pm

re: #425 sojerofgod

I find beauty in butter, in all it's various forms too.

But that doesn't mean I display my butter to the general public.

ROFL. That's good.

444 Irene NYC  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:28:33pm

re: #396 zombie

Incorporated zombietime (like in Delaware or some place cheap - not California if possible), and hire an attorney (or some other registered professional) to act as its intermediary.

That puts you on almost the same footing as any other photo source.

445 EC Marm  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:28:38pm

Obama on CNN:
"...when I'm President of the United States..."

/ I need stronger booze.

446 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:28:38pm

re: #407 jcm

Can you afford a contract attorney, maybe Buzz or a Lizard legal beagle can help on details.

The attorney handles everything. You stay back in the shadow.

But I'd then have to tell them my actual identity. Can't have a binding contract with a fictional character.

447 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:29:02pm

re: #427 zombie

Listen to tfk. It is a trap. Tell Fox to f**k off.

448 valentine81  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:29:03pm

all hell is breaking loose! can hear a convoy of tanks rolling below my apt right now. though at least, i'm grateful that's all that disturbing my neighborhood right now... can hear the gunfire/rumbling and see flashes of light from across town towards hezbollahland... :(

pls keep us in your prayers guys!

449 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:29:20pm

re: #431 yma o hyd

Who would know better?

He said that, unlike Pompei, The Fonz is not fixed.

450 yochanan  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:29:32pm

re: #424 paxnhymn

well, some time ago the tits were of some use...

can't say as much for unifil...


I WOULD SAY TITS ON THE BULL ARE MORE USEFUL AS THE BULL STILL HAS ITS 'BATZIUM' not sure there are any in the whole USELESS NATIONS.

451 mama winger  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:29:38pm

re: #448 valentine81

all hell is breaking loose! can hear a convoy of tanks rolling below my apt right now. though at least, i'm grateful that's all that disturbing my neighborhood right now... can hear the gunfire/rumbling and see flashes of light from across town towards hezbollahland... :(

pls keep us in your prayers guys!

Where are you?

452 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:29:44pm

I love the way she churns butter.

453 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:30:00pm
454 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:30:04pm

re: #426 BabbaZee

Speech by Obama's pal Bill Ayers
at
World Education Forum
November 7, 2006

[SNIP]

* * *
Awww, Bill Ayers LOVES THE REVOLUCION!
Che & Fidel approve Ayers' Message.

455 bosforus  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:30:11pm

re: #396 zombie

Do whatever you have to do, legally of course, to keep your identity confidential.

456 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:30:15pm

re: #430 looking closely

As far as I can tell, this is effectively a directional microwave oven.

Undoubtedly its capable of killing people, but most probably aren't going to stand still long enough for it to happen.

Good for riot/crowd control, but I don't think it would have the ability to injure people inside of buildings or such, and the beams are probably relatively easily shielded.

Millimeter wave not microwave. BIG difference.

457 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:30:20pm

re: #430 looking closely
I read an article by a man who was on the development team, and who was let go because of the pentagon's insistance on calling this a non-lethal weapon. He basically stated that is was designed to kill entire regiments of soldiers instantly. So I guess that it has the power to fry you before you can move out of the way, and apparently it works through some walls as well, so you can't duck.

458 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:30:32pm

re: #447 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Listen to tfk. It is a trap. Tell Fox to f**k off.

I agree with tfk, too.

459 valentine81  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:30:33pm

also, random question... my internet cut out while i was in the lounge, and now i can't get back in bc the lounge still thinks i'm there. i've tried restarting, deleting my cookies etc... any advice lizards?

460 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:30:41pm
461 Peacekeeper  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:30:41pm
462 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:30:51pm

Zombie,

Check it out. Ignore the paranoia floating around in some of the comments. Fox only needs your info so they can write off the expense of your payment and send you a 1099. They're not out to get/expose/etc you or your identity.

If your identity is sensitive -- and it clearly is -- just tell them so. They'll honor that.

Otherwise, like I said, just tell them no thanks.

463 hayseed  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:30:58pm

re: #381 Kreuzueber Halbmond

464 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:30:58pm

Code Pink Protesters Try Witchcraft at Anti-Marine Rallies

The way to avoid a trap, is knowing it's there to begin with.

465 WriterMom  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:31:07pm

re: #396 zombie

zombie-I say tell them you remain anonymous period.

Your safety and well being clearly depend on this. Don't enlist any friends and don't tell anyone who you are. They can pay a lawyer's trust fund-and then a lawyer can give it to you. They can make a Pay Pal payment, too.

Seriously-I advise you not to tell anyone who you are. There are plenty of fanatics out there-why give anyone an opportunity to leak anything.

466 Creeping Eruption  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:31:10pm

re: #446 zombie

But I'd then have to tell them my actual identity. Can't have a binding contract with a fictional character.

Attorney/client privilege

467 Sharmuta  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:31:24pm

re: #446 zombie

But I'd then have to tell them my actual identity. Can't have a binding contract with a fictional character.

I agree with the lawyer idea- they are paid to protect their client's interests.

468 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:31:27pm
469 saberry0530  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:31:27pm

re: #396 zombie

Hey Zombie,
Don't believe that Fox news is out to out you. THey have to account to the IRS as to who they have in thier employ, whether it be as an independent contractor or as a fulltime employee. GO with the 3rd party ID or a trusted partner.

470 3 wood  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:31:28pm

re: #427 zombie

but Fox insists in knowing my real name anyway.

To heck with that. Even if the person you deal with has some smidge of integrity (which is very rare in the MSM), you have no guarantee that somebody elese there won't access your personal information and misuse it.

I'd tell them a.

471 looking closely  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:31:32pm

re: #396 zombie
You have legitimate reason to fear for your safety, and no, I wouldn't give up your name under any circumstances.

They can sign a million promissory notes, but ultimately if someone spills the beans its going to be hard to prove where the leak came from, and that wouldn't help you.

Weren't you over this before?
How badly do you need the money?

Come up with a representative you trust to act as your proxy.

That person will be your sole representative, and they will collect and negotiate all fees for images YOU contract to THEM.

472 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:31:35pm

re: #453 song_and_dance_man

Good thing it wasn't peanut butter.

Or sausage

473 galloping granny  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:32:17pm

re: #396 zombie

OK, folks, now I've got a new dilemma with Fox News.

They did come crawling back and say they would like to get some specific photos from me in the future (and will pay for it) -- but on one condition: they insist on knowing who I am.

Now, my general rule is: I tell NO ONE my real identity. And I intend to stick by that rule.

So, what should my course of action be? Potential options include:

a. Tell Fox up front that I will never reveal my identity to them, and they'll just have to accept that fact. If their lawyers say that would make a relationship impossible, then so be it -- I can't work with them.

b. Just give them a fake made-up name, and tell them to pay me via PayPal (where my "name" is not needed -- no checks involved).

c. Enlist a friend/cohort/relative to act as my "beard," and give Fox that person's name instead of my own.

d. Just ask Fox right now what proof they'll need of my identity -- will they need to see my ID or something? Will they insist on paying by check? Will they require my Social Security number? If they say no proof is needed -- then give them a fake name. But by doing it this way, they'll basically know it's a fake name.

e. Just tell them my real name and violate the First Rule of Zombietime.

f. Say nothing at the moment, but over the next 48 hours provide them with the exact pictures they requested -- and make sure they're great pictures...and after I have them chomping at the bit for them -- inform Fox that they can use them if and only if I still get to keep my anonymity.

g. ...something else?

Currently, I'm wavering between a, d and f.

Recommendations?

They probably want this information for tax purposes and yes you would have to give up your anonymity. Asking someone else to use their data isn't exactly fair for a couple of reasons: they would get stuck paying the taxes and if "zombie's" real identity got leaked they would be the ones who might be in real dangger.

I guess the big question is do you want the fame & fortune you will probably achieve from Fox more than you want the safety your current absolute anonymity provides. Choose - then act accordingly.

474 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:32:22pm
475 wolfie  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:32:30pm

re: #358 BabbaZee

Iran and Iraq should become one country.
They can call themselves Irate.

LMAO :D Petition the UN NOW!

476 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:32:44pm

re: #400 BabbaZee

F!

re: #406 sattv4u2

the only things to do would be either "E" (my 1st choice) or "A". (sorry, maybe I would just be looking for my 15 minutes of fame)

re: #414 Ward Cleaver

I'd go with a. or b.

re: #415 bosforus

D.
Find out what they want before you worry about if you're going to give it to them.

re: #419 Creeping Eruption

Option "a" or get an attorney to act as a go-between.

re: #421 3 wood

a.

I've dealt with the media a lot and found many of them to be liars. You stay absolutely confidential or it does not happen.

re: #428 song_and_dance_man

Use a trusted friend as a liaison.

= option "c"

re: #442 Iron Fist

,

I'd think that even if you supplied them with your real name you wouldn't be taking much of a risk. Reporters go to jail rather than reveal anonymous sources. I think any way you go you'd still get to keep my anonymity from the greater world.

= option "e"

The votes are all over the map! No consensus!

477 brainwizard73  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:33:01pm

re: #445 EC Marm

Obama on CNN:
"...when I'm President of the United States..."

/ I need stronger booze.

You need coke! Maybe Barack has some...

478 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:33:15pm
479 bosforus  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:33:27pm

re: #476 zombie

Get a lawyer. That's my final word.

480 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:33:39pm

re: #446 zombie

Can't have a binding contract with a fictional character.


Zombie... watch out !
GOD of Abraham is always listening!
That's a serious God mouth statement right there, LOL!


cov.e.nant:

an agreement, a contract, usually formal, between two or more persons to do or not do something specified.

481 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:33:48pm

re: #471 looking closely

You have legitimate reason to fear for your safety, and no, I wouldn't give up your name under any circumstances.

They can sign a million promissory notes, but ultimately if someone spills the beans its going to be hard to prove where the leak came from, and that wouldn't help you.

Weren't you over this before?
How badly do you need the money?

Come up with a representative you trust to act as your proxy.

That person will be your sole representative, and they will collect and negotiate all fees for images YOU contract to THEM.


Essentially, Zombie needs to do what Al-Jazeera does with the Bin Ladin tapes.

482 venezuela lover  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:33:53pm

re: #108 Peacekeeper

The International House of Pancakes is sending in a peacekeeping force.

So that's where Obama got most of his international expertise.
At Obama's International House of Pancakes?

now_we_know

483 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:33:58pm

re: #447 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Listen to tfk. It is a trap. Tell Fox to f**k off.

* * *
Zombie's work on Fox would be reaching the whole globe that doesn't necessarily read LGF!

484 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:34:02pm

For goodness' sake.

Skip the lawyers, etc, Zombie. I know about how much they're probably offering, and you'd be better off getting an agent than hiring a lawyer. You'd lose money hiring a lawyer.

485 galloping granny  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:34:31pm

re: #434 rawmuse

They probably need to issue you a 1099 form. If the payment is over $600, then that is the law. So, sell the photos for $599.

That is $600 per YEAR total, not $600 per payment.

486 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:34:35pm

re: #457 sojerofgod

I read an article by a man who was on the development team, and who was let go because of the pentagon's insistance on calling this a non-lethal weapon. He basically stated that is was designed to kill entire regiments of soldiers instantly. So I guess that it has the power to fry you before you can move out of the way, and apparently it works through some walls as well, so you can't duck.

Because of the shallow depth of penetration, the energy and, therefore, heat associated with MMWs will be deposited within the first 1-2 mm of human skin.

487 Creeping Eruption  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:34:39pm

re: #476 zombie

At least contact an attorney to discuss your options.

488 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:34:43pm
489 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:34:51pm

re: #412 eschew_obfuscation

You realize that they read this blog, yes?

Possibly. But it's a huge organization, with thousands of employees. The person I'm dealing with didn't even seem to know that Fox News has used my stuff before.

Their right hands don't know what their left hands are doing. Hence, the Fox employee who scans LGF most likely doesn't know the person I'm dealing with.

490 looking closely  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:34:52pm

re: #442 Iron Fist

,

I'd think that even if you supplied them with your real name you wouldn't be taking much of a risk. Reporters go to jail rather than reveal anonymous sources. I think any way you go you'd still get to keep my anonymity from the greater world.

That's BS.

*SOME* reporters go to jail for that. Some sing like a canary in ten minutes, and some would sell out their own grandmothers for a quarter.

This isn't a one time contact. . .its an ongoing relationship.

And its not just reporters who would know, but also bureaurocrats, etc.

Personally, I wouldn't take the chance.

Find out exactly why they need your name, and get a lawyer to set up some system where by they don't need it.

491 Cap'n DOC  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:34:53pm

re: #453 song_and_dance_man

Even if it was Adam's Peanut Butter?

492 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:34:56pm

re: #474 song_and_dance_man
Ok now you guys are getting gross.
Can i get two votes on the opposed to pr0n thing?
I think this is worse than the butter.

493 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:34:59pm

re: #479 bosforus

Get a lawyer. That's my final word.

Second!

494 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:35:03pm

re: #468 taxfreekiller

Zombie, to them you are death itself.

The msm stock price is all about control of information.


You and Charles and the blogs are in time going to bring their net worth to zero, and Rupert does not like zeros.

clear on that

Truth right there, a megaton

495 sattv4u2  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:35:23pm

re: #438 zombie

My goal is to AVOID my 15 minutes of fame. I seek total obscurity for my "actual identity."

then A is the choice,,,

YOU want to keep obscure, so why drag a freind into it (I wouldn;t do something for a freind he wouldn't do for himself, nor would I ask him to do something I wouldn't do) so that negates "C" also

496 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:35:36pm

re: #484 Cognito

For goodness' sake.

Skip the lawyers, etc, Zombie. I know about how much they're probably offering, and you'd be better off getting an agent than hiring a lawyer. You'd lose money hiring a lawyer.

Maybe YOU can be Zombie's beard!

You see to be MSM savvy, etc.

497 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:35:47pm

re: #492 sojerofgod

Ok now you guys are getting gross.
Can i get two votes on the opposed to pr0n thing?
I think this is worse than the butter.

Ohhh! An erotic butter thread!

498 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:35:50pm

re: #476 zombie

The votes are all over the map! No consensus!

Of course, LOL!

499 Irene NYC  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:36:07pm

zombie,

It's absolutely time for you to make money on your work if some other for-profit entity is going to be using it. Seriously, your work deserves it.

500 J.S.  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:36:11pm

re: #396 zombie

There are certain legalities that I think you'll run into (it's because using a fake identity is also something criminals do). For example, a company which pays you money must report your correct name to the IRS...it can't be a fake person. (I've heard -- I'm not a lawyer -- that one way around this is to establish a corporation in your fake name...) You might also want to use a lawyer as an intermediary (acting on your behalf) -- that might be safer (in terms of concealing your identity) than having no intermediary...(wikipedia has articles on pseudonyms, also look up "pen names", etc.)

501 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:36:23pm

zombie:

Probably already suggested but how about (g) get an agent or (g) incorporating or getting a DBA.

502 Creeping Eruption  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:36:28pm

re: #484 Cognito

For goodness' sake.

Skip the lawyers, etc, Zombie. I know about how much they're probably offering, and you'd be better off getting an agent than hiring a lawyer. You'd lose money hiring a lawyer.


And it is geniuses like you, with that kind of mentality, that is funding my kids college account.

503 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:36:35pm

re: #492 sojerofgod

Ok now you guys are getting gross.
Can i get two votes on the opposed to pr0n thing?
I think this is worse than the butter.

I am opposed to porn personally in general
but I don't know what we are talking about specifically here

504 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:36:44pm

re: #489 zombie

Possibly. But it's a huge organization, with thousands of employees. The person I'm dealing with didn't even seem to know that Fox News has used my stuff before.

Their right hands don't know what their left hands are doing. Hence, the Fox employee who scans LGF most likely doesn't know the person I'm dealing with.

Well...I wish you the best in any case ;-)

505 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:36:48pm

There's another two options.

The first is to start a private business, in someone else's name (someone you trust, obviously) and give them the name of the business for their recordkeeping purposes.

You are, in effect, an employee of yourself, with someone else serving as the proxy.

You, also, can create a contract for them to sign saying that they will not release your name to anyone aside from government tax purposes under penalty of some insane amount of money (enough to buy an island and retire in peace)

Have them send back the signed document, notarized, then you've got a good reason for them to never do it.

Of course, my first idea would be to just not do business with them. If being all anonymous is really that important to you, then overlooking possibiliites for profit should come in a distant second (at best)

506 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:37:15pm

re: #497 jcm

Ohhh! An erotic butter thread!

Last Tango in Beirut?

507 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:37:30pm

re: #502 Creeping Eruption

And it is geniuses like you, with that kind of mentality, that is funding my kids college account.

Right.

And how many times have you dealt with Fox?

508 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:37:39pm
509 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:37:42pm

valentine81, are you still on?

510 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:37:52pm
511 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:37:54pm

re: #418 Cognito

Zombie, honestly I think you may be overthinking this a bit. If they're going to pay you, they just need to know your name and residency status for tax purposes.

If that's untenable on your end, just tell thanks but no thanks.

I get paid all the time by people who understand my need for anonymity, and do not ask for or know my identity.

I guess it all comes down to the accounting department -- how OK are they with classifying payments to me a "miscellaneous expenses."

I dutifully report all income, 1099 form or no 1099 form. But corporations do have rules. The only question is -- are they willing to bend the rules. Often, they are. But will Fox? Answer unknown.

512 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:38:26pm

re: #506 Ben Hur

Last Tango in Beirut?

We'll always have Damascus, Starring Pelosi, McDermitt, and Carter.

513 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:38:51pm

re: #508 song_and_dance_man

Hey, Ben Hur started it. I think.

I didn't think the picture was offensive.

I didn't start it.

But I can lick that tub clean faster than any y'all!

WHAT?!?!?!?!?!

514 WriterMom  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:39:06pm

A secret isn't a secret when it blurps out of your mouth to someone else's ears or computer. Once it's out there you can never put it back.

If they want the stuff bad enough, they'll figure out a way to do it without a name and number.

515 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:39:16pm

re: #421 3 wood

a.

I've dealt with the media a lot and found many of them to be liars. You stay absolutely confidential or it does not happen.

I intend to stay confidential, but how do I "play it" is all I'm asking. Do I just tell them up front (option a), or get them all excited first (option f).

516 galloping granny  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:39:21pm

re: #484 Cognito

For goodness' sake.

Skip the lawyers, etc, Zombie. I know about how much they're probably offering, and you'd be better off getting an agent than hiring a lawyer. You'd lose money hiring a lawyer.

Cognito, you need an attorney to review the terms you sign with the agent. Might as well just get the attorney, especially since Zombie doesn't want somebody out there selling his work.

517 looking closely  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:39:26pm

re: #481 Ben Hur

Essentially, Zombie needs to do what Al-Jazeera does with the Bin Ladin tapes.

I have no idea what Al-Jazeera does with the fake Bin-Laden tapes.

Its very easy to put stuff out anonymously. . .Zombie does that all the time.

What's hard is to have an ongoing LEGAL financial relationship with someone but retain your anonymity.

Look at it from Fox's side. They are happy to pay, and even pay repeatedly, *BUT* they can't have a relationship with someone who is the personal equivalent of a numbered Swiss bank account.

I think a trusted intermediary would solve this problem; I leave the details to a lawyer who knows what they are donig to pull it off.

I'm sure collectively this board could point Zombie to an ideologically sympathetic local attourney who is trustworthy, and would take on this role pro-bono, so to speak.

518 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:39:32pm

re: #508 song_and_dance_man

Hey, Ben Hur started it. I think.

I didn't think the picture was offensive.

I KOWN PR0N WHEN I SEE IT!
/

In this case the image is in the eye of the beholder.

519 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:39:43pm
520 valentine81  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:39:47pm

re: #509 Ward Cleaver

yep... man, this is so bad. i'm on msn with a friend right now who is predicting hezbollah will have seized all of west beirut within 2 days...

521 Sharmuta  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:39:56pm

re: #511 zombie

Regardless of what you do concerning fox news, I would still give thought to retaining a lawyer for unforeseen events which may arise for you in the future. Again- they are paid to protect their client's interests. Couldn't hurt to look into that option. And good luck.

522 Creeping Eruption  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:40:02pm

re: #507 Cognito

Right.

And how many times have you dealt with Fox?

Never. My point is that so many people, apparently you included, feel like they are doing themselves a big favor by handling matters on their own, when it would have cost them a few hundred to have an attorney handle it. The thing goes south and it ends up costing thousands in attorneys fees to fix it.

523 snowcrash  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:40:26pm

Zombie this issue will come up again and again as you get more exposure. Hire the lawyer and get advice on contracts and obligations. Fox may want you to sign something that may not be in your financial interest. Protect your work.

524 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:40:28pm

re: #422 taxfreekiller

#396

zombie, they are out to make you the story

mis-direction

media is media,
danger is danger

use a second party to deal with them,

they are out to out you thats all, its a story to them nothing else,

if they wanted to they could deal with you and not know,

ambush

That may very well be the case. I do not trust ANYONE.

All it takes is one moonbat working in some Fox back office to leak my name, once it's in their system.

525 galloping granny  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:40:34pm

re: #515 zombie

I intend to stay confidential, but how do I "play it" is all I'm asking. Do I just tell them up front (option a), or get them all excited first (option f).

They know how good your stuff is. I would just tell them a flat "no - these are my terms."

526 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:40:35pm

re: #520 valentine81

yep... man, this is so bad. i'm on msn with a friend right now who is predicting hezbollah will have seized all of west beirut within 2 days...

What part of the city are you in?

527 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:40:38pm

re: #373 buzzsawmonkey

"And they capered around the altar which was made. And it came to pass at noon, that Eliyyahu mocked them, and said, Cry aloud, for he is a god: either he is musing, or he is easing himself, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he is sleeping and must be awakened. And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lances, till the blood gushed out upon them." I Kings 18, 27, 28.

They weren't Muslims yet, but they had the same traditions of Ashura.

528 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:40:45pm

re: #511 zombie

I get paid all the time by people who understand my need for anonymity, and do not ask for or know my identity.

I guess it all comes down to the accounting department -- how OK are they with classifying payments to me a "miscellaneous expenses."

I dutifully report all income, 1099 form or no 1099 form. But corporations do have rules. The only question is -- are they willing to bend the rules. Often, they are. But will Fox? Answer unknown.

No. They're not going to bend the rules.

There might be some other way, but Fox won't risk stirring curiosity in the hearts of IRS chaps.

Honestly? Just tell 'em your name if you want the money. They're not going to expose you, etc.

If you'd rather not, then tell 'em no thanks.

529 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:40:46pm

Any good agent would be an attorney as well, no?

530 Peacekeeper  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:40:53pm

{BABBA!}

The age of Aquarius this is not.

531 wolfie  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:40:59pm

re: #396 zombie

Talk to a lawyer. Please.
There are probably ways to protect your identity. Your photos are good, and the demand (hence tricky problems) can only increase.

532 WriterMom  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:41:25pm

zombie!

Perhaps Charles could be the intermediary here? You could 'sell' them to Charles, and Fox could pay Charles. Charles could reimburse you and you can be sure that your identity is safe with Charles.

Perhaps that is nuts.

533 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:41:36pm

re: #524 zombie

That may very well be the case. I do not trust ANYONE.

All it takes is one moonbat working in some Fox back office to leak my name, once it's in their system.

I would trust his instinct here no matter how crazy anyone else thinks that is

just sayin'

534 see bs  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:41:46pm

The religion of peace strikes again!

535 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:42:07pm
536 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:42:08pm

re: #532 WriterMom

zombie!

Perhaps Charles could be the intermediary here? You could 'sell' them to Charles, and Fox could pay Charles. Charles could reimburse you and you can be sure that your identity is safe with Charles.

Perhaps that is nuts.

Least nuts suggestion yet IMO
LOL

537 bosforus  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:42:10pm

Put your photos with a watermark on a disc. Put the disc inside of a helium filled balloon and release it underneath a hot air balloon. The Fox representative in the hot air balloon will be too high to see your face thus maintaining your secret identity. If they're happy with the photos, tell them to light a flare. On the count of three, you release another balloon with the unwatermarked photos and they release a parachuted action figure with a wad of cash duct taped to it. Problem solved.

538 sattv4u2  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:42:16pm

re: #517 looking closely

I have no idea what Al-Jazeera does with the fake Bin-Laden tapes.

Its very easy to put stuff out anonymously. . .Zombie does that all the time.

What's hard is to have an ongoing LEGAL financial relationship with someone but retain your anonymity.

Look at it from Fox's side. They are happy to pay, and even pay repeatedly, *BUT* they can't have a relationship with someone who is the personal equivalent of a numbered Swiss bank account.

I think a trusted intermediary would solve this problem; I leave the details to a lawyer who knows what they are donig to pull it off.

I'm sure collectively this board could point Zombie to an ideologically sympathetic local attourney who is trustworthy, and would take on this role pro-bono, so to speak.

FOX (or whomever) also need liability protection. If they were to air something and the subject of that report decided to sue FOX for liable, or defamation, or whatever, FOX would need to have their source as part of their defense

539 Creeping Eruption  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:42:20pm

re: #529 Ben Hur

Not necessarily

540 David Simon  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:42:26pm

re: #418 Cognito

Zombie, honestly I think you may be overthinking this a bit. If they're going to pay you, they just need to know your name and residency status for tax purposes.

If that's untenable on your end, just tell thanks but no thanks.

Not necessarily. Zombie could set up an entity to receive the payment. Fox could fulfill its tax reporting obligation by obtaining the name and FEIN of the entity.

541 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:42:28pm

re: #486 jcm

Well, perhaps.

But that article was about inadvertent exposure from devices not designed specifically to hurt you.

I suspect this thing could blow the skin right off a man at 500 yards if they wanted to.

But hey, I'm not selling the damn things.

542 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:42:35pm

re: #532 WriterMom

zombie!

Perhaps Charles could be the intermediary here? You could 'sell' them to Charles, and Fox could pay Charles. Charles could reimburse you and you can be sure that your identity is safe with Charles.

Perhaps that is nuts.

If things go south there no client / attorney privilege. Charles would be required to tell what he knows.

543 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:42:43pm

re: #434 rawmuse

They probably need to issue you a 1099 form. If the payment is over $600, then that is the law. So, sell the photos for $599.

But that's just for one set of photos. If I keep working with them, it may go over $600 for a calendar year, at which point they'd get REAL P.O.ed at me since they'd INSIST on my social security number for the 1099 form. And I wouldn't give it.

544 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:42:47pm

re: #503 BabbaZee

I am opposed to porn personally in general
but I don't know what we are talking about specifically here

follow my link from #293 about a third of the way down the page is a picture posted by a San Diego Radio Morning show that seems to be in the process of derailing this thread.

545 valentine81  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:43:03pm

re: #526 Ward Cleaver

achrafieh... heart of christian beirut. we're still pretty much untouched over here but i'm terrified for my friends elsewhere in the city.

546 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:43:04pm

re: #516 galloping granny

Cognito, you need an attorney to review the terms you sign with the agent. Might as well just get the attorney, especially since Zombie doesn't want somebody out there selling his work.

No, it's a bit different. An agent will work on a percentage, with an ongoing relationship, so that even a small amount of money still commands the agent's time.

For the amount of money that Fox is probably offering, a lawyer would chew through it just bothering to look over the contract.

Then again, maybe Zombie has really tickled their fancy and they're offering mad cash. In which case, a lawyer is fine.

547 3 wood  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:43:25pm

re: #515 zombie

I intend to stay confidential, but how do I "play it" is all I'm asking. Do I just tell them up front (option a), or get them all excited first (option f).


Tell them up front.

Made the mistake of trusting a MSM person some years ago that they would keep me confidential on a story. I found out later they were routing my stuff with my name on it to the entire staff.

548 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:43:26pm

re: #535 song_and_dance_man

If zombie uses a lawyer then the lawyer will know. If zombie incorporates his/her true identity will be on the articles. The less people who know is the best option and if zombie has a trusted friend that already knows then the c. option is the best way to go.

Zombie has friends, one of them can incorporate for this purpose.

549 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:43:36pm

re: #529 Ben Hur

Any good agent would be an attorney as well, no?

Not really.

550 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:43:37pm

re: #530 Peacekeeper

{Peacekeeper}
ya

More like the age of the whore

551 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:43:37pm
552 sattv4u2  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:43:38pm

re: #529 Ben Hur

Any good agent would be an attorney as well, no?

not always, but a good agent WOULD at least have an attorney on staff. The problem with that is, the attorney would be looking out for the AGENT, not for ZOMBIE

553 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:43:38pm

re: #519 song_and_dance_man

You didn't, I did with the peanut butter thing.

It started when posted a link about someone seeing Mary in a scab.

Then CynoSnowHawk (or whatever) posted the magnificent tub of margerine.

554 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:43:39pm

re: #436 Macker

zombie: Protect Your Ass! is all I have to say.

Wise advice.

Whatever they pay me, it's not enough to compromise my anonymity.

555 WriterMom  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:43:43pm

re: #542 jcm

Well, Charles has stated here that he has no idea who zombie is anyway. And when I was talking about reimbursement, I should have written that it could be done through zombie's pay pal.

Totally anonymous for everyone.

556 VegasRick  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:44:00pm

re: #446 zombie

But I'd then have to tell them my actual identity. Can't have a binding contract with a fictional character.

I once had a binding contract with a girl named Kandi.

557 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:44:25pm

re: #495 sattv4u2

then A is the choice,,,

YOU want to keep obscure, so why drag a freind into it (I wouldn;t do something for a freind he wouldn't do for himself, nor would I ask him to do something I wouldn't do) so that negates "C" also

* * *
Charles, can you do a Zombie Witness Protection miracle?

558 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:44:30pm

re: #503 BabbaZee
You'll have to go look at the butter then cyansnowhawk posted it so you can scold him for it. Don't remember the post # tho

559 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:44:39pm

re: #522 Creeping Eruption

Never. My point is that so many people, apparently you included, feel like they are doing themselves a big favor by handling matters on their own, when it would have cost them a few hundred to have an attorney handle it. The thing goes south and it ends up costing thousands in attorneys fees to fix it.

Exactly. "A few hundred" is probably a substantial portion of Zombie's pay.

560 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:44:40pm
561 Peacekeeper  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:44:40pm

Zombie you need to set up a cement trucking company front in Brooklyn, then use it to launder all your accounts...

562 WriterMom  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:44:47pm

re: #554 zombie

Don't say who you are. You can NEVER EVER get anonymity back.

563 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:44:59pm

re: #442 Iron Fist

,

I'd think that even if you supplied them with your real name you wouldn't be taking much of a risk. Reporters go to jail rather than reveal anonymous sources. I think any way you go you'd still get to keep my anonymity from the greater world.

Yes, but all sorts of potential moonbat/traitors have access to Fox databases and accounting records. I can't take that risk.

564 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:45:07pm

re: #537 bosforus

Put your photos with a watermark on a disc. Put the disc inside of a helium filled balloon and release it underneath a hot air balloon. The Fox representative in the hot air balloon will be too high to see your face thus maintaining your secret identity. If they're happy with the photos, tell them to light a flare. On the count of three, you release another balloon with the unwatermarked photos and they release a parachuted action figure with a wad of cash duct taped to it. Problem solved.

hahahaha

565 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:45:10pm

re: #512 jcm

We'll always have Damascus, Starring Pelosi, McDermitt, and Carter.

We may not always have Damascus, if current trends continue...

566 sattv4u2  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:45:24pm

re: #554 zombie

Wise advice.

Whatever they pay me, it's not enough to compromise my anonymity.

Then you just answered your own question ,,,

567 WriterMom  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:45:28pm

re: #560 taxfreekiller

{TFK}

568 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:45:35pm

re: #544 CyanSnowHawk

well...that's not porn!

#558 sojerofgod

Not really porn IMO

569 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:45:40pm

re: #563 zombie

Yes, but all sorts of potential moonbat/traitors have access to Fox databases and accounting records. I can't take that risk.

then don't.

No need to mull it over.

If you have a rule, follow it.

conviction to discipline is important.

570 galloping granny  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:45:41pm

re: #546 Cognito

No, it's a bit different. An agent will work on a percentage, with an ongoing relationship, so that even a small amount of money still commands the agent's time.

For the amount of money that Fox is probably offering, a lawyer would chew through it just bothering to look over the contract.

Then again, maybe Zombie has really tickled their fancy and they're offering mad cash. In which case, a lawyer is fine.

Personally I think Zombie should consult either Lawhawk or Realwest and pay close attention to their advice. They are both attorneys.

571 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:46:09pm
572 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:46:30pm

re: #444 Irene NYC

Incorporated zombietime (like in Delaware or some place cheap - not California if possible), and hire an attorney (or some other registered professional) to act as its intermediary.

That puts you on almost the same footing as any other photo source.

No can do. A corporation leaves a paper trail back to my real identity. The DE or CA Secretary of State requires actual proof of identity for incorporation. Then it's in the public record.

573 itellu3times  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:46:34pm

re: #250 Derek

You're wrong.

A nice paper, but I'm afraid it shows in great detail why I'm right. The technical details all sound about right, but the map still says it all.

The operation appears to be no more risky than the earlier attack on Osirak...

Exsqueeze me?

Let's just say, the idea that his would be no more risky than Osirak, I'll bet was purposely inserted in the paper in place of a real assessment.

574 rawmuse  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:46:47pm

re: #485 galloping granny

That is $600 per YEAR total, not $600 per payment.

Correct, madame! I was counting this as a one-off deal. But, who knows, zombie could have a little cottage industry going.

575 Peacekeeper  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:47:10pm

Babba
Obama says he brings change and I believe him. In eight years we'll be wearing Mao jackets.

576 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:47:29pm

re: #447 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Listen to tfk. It is a trap. Tell Fox to f**k off.

Well, rather than say "f**k off," just say: I stay anonymous, or no deal.

577 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:47:36pm

re: #572 zombie

No can do. A corporation leaves a paper trail back to my real identity. The DE or CA Secretary of State requires actual proof of identity for incorporation. Then it's in the public record.

Blind trust?

578 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:47:36pm

re: #572 zombie

No can do. A corporation leaves a paper trail back to my real identity. The DE or CA Secretary of State requires actual proof of identity for incorporation. Then it's in the public record.

corporations don't have to live where you do.

Incorporate out of country. Some are even tax free and don't ask questions.

579 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:47:49pm

re: #575 Peacekeeper

Babba
Obama says he brings change and I believe him. In eight years we'll be wearing Mao jackets.

Not me. I'll be in a freaking gulag.

580 looking closely  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:47:50pm

re: #524 zombie

That may very well be the case. I do not trust ANYONE.

All it takes is one moonbat working in some Fox back office to leak my name, once it's in their system.

That's the whole point.

The leaker may not even do it deliberately (which is to say, they might leak your name on purpose, but without realizing they were "leaking" anything, or what damage it could do).

Also, part of your "brand", so to speak, is being anonymous.

I think its probably actually worth cash to protect that, apart from safety issues.

581 Peacekeeper  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:48:02pm

Cement truck, CEMENT TRUCK!

582 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:48:03pm

re: #515 zombie

I intend to stay confidential, but how do I "play it" is all I'm asking. Do I just tell them up front (option a), or get them all excited first (option f).

throw em a bone Zombie. Tell em it's your ball, so it's your rules. Don't be dissappointed if they tell you to go beat off though. It's a chance you take to maintain anonymity...it boils down to anonimity vs. $$$...which screams louder to you my friend?

583 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:48:10pm

re: #448 valentine81

all hell is breaking loose! can hear a convoy of tanks rolling below my apt right now. though at least, i'm grateful that's all that disturbing my neighborhood right now... can hear the gunfire/rumbling and see flashes of light from across town towards hezbollahland... :(

pls keep us in your prayers guys!

Holy Cow! Are you in Beirut?

Stay safe!

584 WriterMom  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:48:27pm

re: #579 BabbaZee

LOL getting re-edumacated?

585 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:48:47pm

re: #34 BrianA

in front of a glass door?

586 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:48:58pm

re: #581 Peacekeeper

Cement truck, CEMENT TRUCK!

587 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:49:00pm
588 WriterMom  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:49:03pm

zom-did you see my #532?

589 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:49:24pm

re: #563 zombie

Yes, but all sorts of potential moonbat/traitors have access to Fox databases and accounting records. I can't take that risk.


You should do like Spider-Man: have your "friend" Peter Parker act as your go-between. No one will be able to figure out your ruse.

590 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:49:25pm

re: #573 itellu3times

Exsqueeze me?

Let's just say, the idea that his would be no more risky than Osirak, I'll bet was purposely inserted in the paper in place of a real assessment.

What distance is greater?

Between Tel Aviv and Bagdad or between Dallas and Houston?

591 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:49:26pm

re: #584 WriterMom

LOL getting re-edumacated?


Impossible.

592 sattv4u2  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:49:37pm

re: #577 Ben Hur

Blind trust?

If I was blind ,,, I wouldn't trust ANYONE ,,, don't you remember how they used to dress Stevie Wonder !?!?!?!?!?!

BAD SATT ,,, BAD BAD BAD ! !

593 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:49:42pm

re: #464 Ben Hur

Code Pink Protesters Try Witchcraft at Anti-Marine Rallies

The way to avoid a trap, is knowing it's there to begin with.

"Ironically, it's actually helped us by putting our name out. We're now well known. And people know who we are, and where we are, and they come in to talk to us about enlisting. They've gotten us the publicity that we could've never afforded to pay for ourselves," Wheatcroft told FOXNews.com.

"Just in the last three weeks, 10 people came in looking to apply, looking to become Marine officers, and that's much higher than normal," he said.

BWAHAHA

594 bosforus  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:50:17pm

re: #564 Cognito

hahahaha

I've done it on several occasions. It's only awkward the first time.

595 Creeping Eruption  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:50:59pm

re: #572 zombie

No can do. A corporation leaves a paper trail back to my real identity. The DE or CA Secretary of State requires actual proof of identity for incorporation. Then it's in the public record.

There isn't a state in the Union that allows an attorney to break confidence with a client unless the attorney knows that the client is about to break the law (and it has to be pretty bad too, like murder, rape, etc). Your identity would be safe with a trusted attorney.

For example: Attorneys keep secret for 26 years

596 WriterMom  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:51:07pm

re: #591 BabbaZee

Word.

597 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:51:26pm

re: #541 sojerofgod

Well, perhaps.

But that article was about inadvertent exposure from devices not designed specifically to hurt you.

I suspect this thing could blow the skin right off a man at 500 yards if they wanted to.

But hey, I'm not selling the damn things.

Depends on the power and beam with. An Aegeis can but 6MW down a 1° beam and cook things a mile awhile. A Microwave oven average 1kW power. I haven't seen anything on this things beam power.

Depending on hardware power limits it's may be possible to inflect burns in a short time period. However I seriously doubt the military industrial complex really wants a bunch of crispy critters on the 6 o'clock news.

598 itellu3times  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:51:43pm

re: #396 zombie

It's A all the way, zombie. Either they solve the problem for you, or it won't happen. In this day and age, do you think they'd broadcast pictures from an unknown source?

599 valentine81  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:51:45pm

re: #583 zombie

thanks :( honestly this is about as scared as i've ever been!

600 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:51:47pm

re: #575 Peacekeeper

Babba
Obama says he brings change and I believe him. In eight years we'll be wearing Mao jackets.

OMG, we discussed this at lunch today...Obamessiah national health care, Obamessiah mass transit, Obamessiah company housing (because you will need to live close to your assigned job), Obamessiah carbon-neutral renewable resource uniforms...

601 looking closely  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:52:06pm

re: #572 zombie

No can do. A corporation leaves a paper trail back to my real identity. The DE or CA Secretary of State requires actual proof of identity for incorporation. Then it's in the public record.

How about one of those ridiculous Nevada shell corporations?

I think you just need a structure that leaves several "layers" between your identity and the source of the cash. There is probably more than one way to do this.

And let's face it, given enough resources someone is going to be able to track you down no matter WHAT you do. This is only a question of making it difficult, and impossible without considerable effort.

602 itellu3times  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:52:32pm

re: #590 Ben Hur

How about Tehran.

603 opnion  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:52:43pm

re: #396 zombie

The media uses anonymous sources all of the time."A white House source on the condition of anonymity said..."
They must know that iti s is a personal safety issue.
They should just be able to run with Zombie.
I vote option A.

604 Peacekeeper  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:52:51pm

re: #600 OldLineTexan

COMRADE!

605 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:52:52pm

re: #596 WriterMom

Word.

And... they gotta catch me first.
Bwaha

606 valentine81  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:52:57pm

re: #599 valentine81

bah, my reply linked to the wrong post. sorry bout that. computer is going a bit spastic, but given about half of the lights on the mountains outside my window just went black, guess i should be happy i still have power at least?

607 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:52:58pm

re: #568 BabbaZee
Oh, I know.

But we've been having a lot of fun with it.

Watching Obama give a speech and see the shining, upturned faces of our youth gawping at him,
now THAT'S porn.

608 brainwizard73  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:52:59pm

Zombie, talk to a lawyer about protections that various corporate forms might provide (i.e. an LLC).

Worth a few bucks to see what your options are.

609 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:53:16pm

re: #607 sojerofgod

Agree!

610 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:53:16pm

re: #448 valentine81

all hell is breaking loose! can hear a convoy of tanks rolling below my apt right now. though at least, i'm grateful that's all that disturbing my neighborhood right now... can hear the gunfire/rumbling and see flashes of light from across town towards hezbollahland... :(

pls keep us in your prayers guys!

In our thoughts.

Don't put yourself in harm's way to report to us.

Stay inside a room near the core of the building.

611 WriterMom  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:53:23pm

re: #599 valentine81

I'd like to add a 'stay safe' too.

Are you Lebanese? Or a foreigner stationed in Lebanon?

612 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:53:24pm

re: #599 valentine81

thanks :( honestly this is about as scared as i've ever been!

stay safe, keep your head down.

prayer for safety is coming.

613 sattv4u2  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:53:43pm

re: #598 itellu3times

That was my point in 538 ,,, from just a liability standpoint FOX would need to know

614 bosforus  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:53:55pm

re: #599 valentine81

thanks :( honestly this is about as scared as i've ever been!

Man, I can't imagine what it feels like to be where you are. Seriously, stay safe. And stay on lgf too so we know you're ok!

615 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:53:58pm

re: #611 WriterMom

I'd like to add a 'stay safe' too.

Are you Lebanese? Or a foreigner stationed in Lebanon?

ditto thrice time pi

616 ROP?LOL  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:54:11pm

re: #250 Derek

You're wrong.


Interesting read, thanks.

617 ethanxxx  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:54:15pm

re: #396 zombie

First of all, as an artist with a successful 27 year career, I have to say that you are One Talented and Creative Mo Fo! Not just the obvious thought that goes into your photos, but the obvious thought that goes into your words. The majority of my career has been as a Freelance Artist, so giving-up the SS# is required for tax purposes. I had a lot more to say... I think buzzsawmonkey made some excellent points about the pros and cons of layering yourself with a third party. I think if my Dad was here he would say... Talk to them! Tell them what you're thinking and how you feel. If they are truly interested, they will work with you. Whatever you do... Good Luck and don't stop.

618 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:54:27pm

re: #67 Occasional Reader

the UN is trying. Not having all that much luck, but trying.

619 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:54:44pm

re: #460 buzzsawmonkey

Gotta make this fast, but here goes:

Fox will need some sort of identification, in that clients usually require a tax ID number or social security number to cut a check. This is for their tax records.

That said, there is probably some way to set up a layer or two or three of protection--probably by means of an escrow account held by counsel, or something of the sort.

Having someone act as an unpaid beard is problematic--in part because you protect your own identity for fear of reprisals. You would be exposing that beard to precisely what you fear.

If you give Fox the pictures and then start imposing conditions, you will be in a lousy bargaining position; first, they will have the pictures, and therefore will be able to use them. Second, if they know that you are highly committed to anonymity, they will feel safe in using them without permission, secure in the knowledge that your desire for anonymity will trump any possibility of your suing them for unpaid usage.

Thanks for the legal-eagle advice!

This thread is going faster than my ability to respond to everyone. Apologies!

620 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:54:46pm

re: #576 zombie

Put the photos in your eBay store for a buy it now price. Send the link to Fox. They pay by PayPal. You send pictures. They don't need your ID for tax purposes. They really want you.

621 jorline  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:55:19pm

And Obama's going to sitting with this nut-case?

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

622 yma o hyd  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:55:24pm

Re the capture of the top Al Qaida Man in Iraq:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

623 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:55:33pm

re: #620 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Put the photos in your eBay store for a buy it now price. Send the link to Fox. They pay by PayPal. You send pictures. They don't need your ID for tax purposes. They really want you.

That sounds good

624 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:55:38pm

re: #464 Ben Hur

Code Pink Protesters Try Witchcraft at Anti-Marine Rallies

The way to avoid a trap, is knowing it's there to begin with.

Time for a witch burning.
/do I need to? I'm not suggesting we actually burn the code pinkos. Maybe we could build bridges out of them instead

625 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:55:50pm

re: #602 itellu3times

How about Tehran.

Kansas.

Unless you think a modern day fully loaded fighter plane couldn't travel from Dallas to Kansas.

626 brainwizard73  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:56:14pm

re: #610 Ben Hur

In our thoughts.

Don't put yourself in harm's way to report to us.

Stay inside a room near the core of the building.

Growing up in Oklahoma, we had tornado drills...cripes, in Lebanon, do you have to do shell fire drills?

627 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:56:29pm

re: #623 BabbaZee

I try. ;-)

628 WriterMom  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:56:31pm

re: #620 Kreuzueber Halbmond

That's a great idea.

629 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:56:36pm

Zombie, have you considered asking another known blogger to be a intemdiatary between you and Fox? I'm sure with your connections to other sites, one of them could serve as a trusted go between while you remain anonymous.

630 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:56:49pm

re: #579 BabbaZee

Not me. I'll be in a freaking gulag.

* * *
BabbaZee, haven't you heard, we ARE the gulag we've been expecting.

631 itellu3times  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:57:19pm

re: #597 jcm

Depending on hardware power limits it's may be possible to inflect burns in a short time period. However I seriously doubt the military industrial complex really wants a bunch of crispy critters on the 6 o'clock news.

The one they're showing is mounted on a humvee, so I assume it's well short of a continuous megawatt.

OTOH, they might have some fancy burst-mode and larger versions they're not showing, ...

632 hayseed  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:57:20pm

Zombie is evolving into a media stare

633 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:57:31pm

re: #624 Kosh's Shadow
We could test the martian heat ray on them!

634 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:57:32pm

re: #466 Creeping Eruption

Attorney/client privilege

re: #467 Sharmuta

I agree with the lawyer idea- they are paid to protect their client's interests.

I'm just still not comfortable with it. There's no lawyer in this world whom I know well enough to trust. Eventually, names could leak.

635 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:57:48pm

re: #630 alegrias

* * *
BabbaZee, haven't you heard, we ARE the gulag we've been expecting.

LOL!

Yes I have been told.

636 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:57:49pm

Don't worry Valentine!

WABC RADIO in NY said it was just a show of strength - no biggie.

People just firing off weapons without aiming at anything.

637 hayseed  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:57:50pm

star.lol..pimf

638 EC Marm  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:58:08pm

Zombie
Incorporate.re: #620 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Put the photos in your eBay store for a buy it now price. Send the link to Fox. They pay by PayPal. You send pictures. They don't need your ID for tax purposes.


That makes sense. The bean counters may have an issue with it, but if Fox wants the pictures badly enough, they'll do it.

639 Render  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:58:26pm

[Link: www.un.org...]

[Link: www.un.org...]

This is why the UNFIL isn't going to do anything whatsoever. They have very helpfully (to hizbAllah and Amal) published a map showing every single one of their positions.

WANT
MORE?,
R

640 Whiterasta  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:58:36pm

re: #624 Kosh's Shadow

Well, they have tried everything else and nothing worked.

641 Dianna  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:58:43pm

re: #524 zombie

I just saw this, and my opinion - which, with another $1.90 will get you a large Peet's coffee - is that you should ask them if they need your name for tax purposes. If so, ask them if there is any reason they can't make out the 1099 to Zombietime and transmit it electronically - that way, no one can have even a PO box for you in their files.

The social security # or tax ID is for convenience; the IRS can bloody well process the information by hand if they need to.

642 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:59:24pm
643 Peacekeeper  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:59:34pm

re: #634 zombie

I'm just still not comfortable with it. There's no lawyer in this world whom I know well enough to trust. Eventually, names could leak.

If you can't trust a lawyer...what's this world coming to?

644 looking closely  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:59:41pm

re: #620 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Put the photos in your eBay store for a buy it now price. Send the link to Fox. They pay by PayPal. You send pictures. They don't need your ID for tax purposes. They really want you.

I like the concept, but there are a few potential problems with it.

Obviously, FOX has to agree to play ball here. . .they probably won't.

Next, PayPal then has the personal information, and if FOX has a "dispute" Paypal could (and probably would) reveal the information.

Its a good first approximation, but I don't see how it guarantees anonymity.

645 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 1:59:51pm

re: #631 itellu3times
My complaint is that the ray is invisible! What good is it to have a ray gun that doesn't project a brilliant beam of blinding red light when it goes to toastin' marsh-fellows?

646 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:00:03pm

re: #597 jcm

Depends on the power and beam with. An Aegeis can but 6MW down a 1° beam and cook things a mile awhile. A Microwave oven average 1kW power. I haven't seen anything on this things beam power.

Depending on hardware power limits it's may be possible to inflect burns in a short time period. However I seriously doubt the military industrial complex really wants a bunch of crispy critters on the 6 o'clock news.

This thing is mounted on top of of a Hummer and does not need external power, that should give you a clue to power usage. And you are right about crispy critters. This device is intended as a crowd control measure. Make the targets uncomfortable enough that they want to leave the area and the crowd disperses is the objective, nothing more.

647 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:00:03pm

re: #575 Peacekeeper

Babba
Obama says he brings change and I believe him. In eight years we'll be wearing Mao jackets.

I don't look good in one of those. I look ok in summer whites, but not Mao crap.

648 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:00:09pm

re: #643 Peacekeeper

If you can't trust a lawyer...what's this world coming to?

Rotating Title nomination.

649 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:00:21pm

re: #469 saberry0530

Hey Zombie,
Don't believe that Fox news is out to out you. THey have to account to the IRS as to who they have in thier employ, whether it be as an independent contractor or as a fulltime employee. GO with the 3rd party ID or a trusted partner.

Yes, but other companies have indeed paid me anonymously, and classified the payment as a "miscellaneous expense," which apparently is perfectly fine as far as some accountants are concerned.

But the person at Fox specifically said it wasn't about the accounting -- it was about journalistic principles. Their rule is to not accept material from unknown sources.

650 Cognito  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:00:25pm

Zombie,

Got to run, and I won't presume to offer any more advice, but if you'd like to chat further about it, please feel free to zip me an email.

Best of luck.

651 WriterMom  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:00:34pm

re: #643 Peacekeeper

Ha!

652 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:00:37pm

re: #622 yma o hyd

Re the capture of the top Al Qaida Man in Iraq:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

I don't mean to belittle this, but didn't we just catch the 'top al qaida man in Iraq' last week?

This is startin' to look like "Whack-a-Mole".

653 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:00:40pm

re: #639 Render

[Link: www.un.org...]

[Link: www.un.org...]

This is why the UNFIL isn't going to do anything whatsoever. They have very helpfully (to hizbAllah and Amal) published a map showing every single one of their positions.

WANT
MORE?,
R

Oh. My. G-d.

I mean, I knew that they gave out ISraeli positions, but THEIR OWN POSITIONS?!?

654 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:00:55pm

re: #470 3 wood

To heck with that. Even if the person you deal with has some smidge of integrity (which is very rare in the MSM), you have no guarantee that somebody elese there won't access your personal information and misuse it.

That is what I fear most of all.

655 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:00:58pm
656 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:01:00pm

re: #600 OldLineTexan

OMG, we discussed this at lunch today...Obamessiah national health care, Obamessiah mass transit, Obamessiah company housing (because you will need to live close to your assigned job), Obamessiah carbon-neutral renewable resource uniforms...

* * *
And endless supplies of Arugula & Fresh Fruit which heretofore was unaffordable & outtasight for families making $1.5 million/year.

657 debutaunt  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:01:01pm

re: #364 WriterMom

I'm just joking...you said 'I'm sitting here, reading it on the front page'. Sitting here >at the New York Times.

Whatever. My joke flopped.

I was completely amused.

658 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:01:27pm

re: #652 eschew_obfuscation

I don't mean to belittle this, but didn't we just catch the 'top al qaida man in Iraq' last week?

This is startin' to look like "Whack-a-Mole".

It's simple. Every time you capture the "top man", there is a round of de facto promotions.

659 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:01:31pm

re: #648 LanceKates

Rotating Title nomination.

Seconded!

660 wrenchwench  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:01:57pm

re: #459 valentine81

also, random question... my internet cut out while i was in the lounge, and now i can't get back in bc the lounge still thinks i'm there. i've tried restarting, deleting my cookies etc... any advice lizards?

For me, it is a matter of waiting 20 minutes for the "other me" to automatically log out. Or I deploy the sockpuppet. You should be able to get back in there now.

661 looking closely  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:02:04pm

re: #634 zombie

I'm just still not comfortable with it. There's no lawyer in this world whom I know well enough to trust. Eventually, names could leak.

Then you have a problem.

You have to trust *somebody*.

Perhaps someone you *do* trust could make you a good recommendation. I'm sure there are plenty of lawyers who could do this for you whom are capable of being trusted (irrespective of the fact that you don't know who they are).

If it helps, the lawyer has a strong incentive not to leak your name. . .they themselves could get in trouble for doing that.

662 Peacekeeper  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:02:21pm

re: #654 zombie

That is what I fear most of all.

More than Jimmy Carter, a warm evening and two glasses of Champagne?

663 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:02:30pm

re: #636 Ben Hur

Ya, just don't be an innocent bystander and you won't get hurt.

Quick! do something you'll feel guilty about later!

Just injecting a little levity in an otherwise serious situation...

664 WriterMom  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:02:34pm

re: #657 debutaunt

Mwah!

665 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:02:52pm

re: #473 galloping granny

They probably want this information for tax purposes and yes you would have to give up your anonymity. Asking someone else to use their data isn't exactly fair for a couple of reasons: they would get stuck paying the taxes and if "zombie's" real identity got leaked they would be the ones who might be in real dangger.

I guess the big question is do you want the fame & fortune you will probably achieve from Fox more than you want the safety your current absolute anonymity provides. Choose - then act accordingly.

Yeah, I've pretty much crossed off the "use a friend as a beard" option.

I don't want fame and fortune. Just want to make a difference. If I had my way, I'd remain utterly and totally unknown and anonymous forever.

666 BabbaZee  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:02:54pm
667 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:03:12pm

re: #609 BabbaZee

Agree!

* * *
It's celebrity religion for leftists.
Hopium as you so rightly call it.

668 WriterMom  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:03:16pm

re: #662 Peacekeeper

More than the boobie lady in the purple dress making googly eyes at zombie?

669 bosforus  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:03:18pm
670 paxnhymn  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:03:43pm

re: #662 Peacekeeper

More than Jimmy Carter, a warm evening and two glasses of Champagne?


(shudders)

671 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:04:20pm

re: #669 bosforus

Leader of Al-Qaeda in Iraq Arrested!

I thought these "freedom fighters" were never going to be taken alive?

672 looking closely  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:04:27pm

re: #649 zombie

Yes, but other companies have indeed paid me anonymously, and classified the payment as a "miscellaneous expense," which apparently is perfectly fine as far as some accountants are concerned.

But the person at Fox specifically said it wasn't about the accounting -- it was about journalistic principles. Their rule is to not accept material from unknown sources.

That's interesting.

How much about you do they need to know to consider you "known"? Your place of birth? Your mother's maiden name?

EG: What if you legally changed your name to "Zombie"? Would that satisfy them? ;

673 itellu3times  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:04:40pm

re: #625 Ben Hur

Kansas.

Unless you think a modern day fully loaded fighter plane couldn't travel from Dallas to Kansas.

Sure, if Kansas doesn't have any radars or guns, and hasn't hidden all their cornfields ninety feet under some anonymous mountains, and doesn't have spies all over Texas in the first place.

674 Dianna  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:05:55pm

re: #649 zombie

You have a website and a record. You are not unknown.

675 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:06:08pm

Olmert vows to resign if indicted

WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP!

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

676 itellu3times  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:06:11pm

re: #645 sojerofgod

My complaint is that the ray is invisible! What good is it to have a ray gun that doesn't project a brilliant beam of blinding red light when it goes to toastin' marsh-fellows?

They might be able to light it up, if they were so inclined!

Of course, that does tend to give away the position of the source ...

677 bosforus  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:06:17pm

re: #671 Nevergiveup

I thought these "freedom fighters" were never going to be taken alive?

Maybe they can wring some information out of him.

678 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:06:26pm

re: #646 CyanSnowHawk

This thing is mounted on top of of a Hummer and does not need external power, that should give you a clue to power usage. And you are right about crispy critters. This device is intended as a crowd control measure. Make the targets uncomfortable enough that they want to leave the area and the crowd disperses is the objective, nothing more.

A genset in a Hummer could provide up to around 10-15kW. More than enough, but then you've got dissipation over distance and power drops dramatically. I don't see enough energy on target to do more than at most give 'em a few blisters. MW doesn't penetrate so internal damage is off the books.

Sure could have used a few in Seattle in '99 at WTO.

679 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:06:34pm

re: #673 itellu3times
Kansas has spies in Texas?

This means WAR!

680 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:06:47pm

re: #484 Cognito

For goodness' sake.

Skip the lawyers, etc, Zombie. I know about how much they're probably offering, and you'd be better off getting an agent than hiring a lawyer. You'd lose money hiring a lawyer.

I tend to think so as well. Too small potatoes for a lawyer anyway.

681 wolfie  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:06:56pm

re: #662 Peacekeeper

More than Jimmy Carter, a warm evening and two glasses of Champagne?

Eeeewww!

(You ever thought about writing horror films?)

682 3 wood  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:07:19pm

re: #654 zombie

That is what I fear most of all.

I've been burned every way you can be by the MSM. I find that they have no integrity what so ever.

I've had them make up stuff about me, manufacture ficticious conversations with me, and reveal my identity when I was supposed to be kept confidential. Realwest knows about some of it.

In my opinion, it's not worth the money.

683 yma o hyd  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:07:22pm

re: #652 eschew_obfuscation
That was another one, wasn't it?

Anyway, someone much further up the thread gave it as breaking news, but didn't have a link yet.
When I found it on the Beeb just now I linked it here.

684 Peacekeeper  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:07:45pm

re: #668 WriterMom

More than the boobie lady in the purple dress making googly eyes at zombie?

More than a BBQ sauce enema at Cannibal convention

685 mattm  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:07:46pm

OT

Today I spotted one of the moonbat/envirowackos who live in my dorm picking in the garbage in the roll-off dumpster the school placed at each ResHall in addition the the reguar front-load container(s) in preparation for move out. Someone tossed a fan in the roll-off. I was head out to toss some trash in myself and the moonbat whined how wasteful we were. Well just now the same moonbat returns with fan to dumpster. I see moonbat and look at him. Low and behold he brought the fan back, plugged in and found it was broken. So yes, sometimes stuff DOES belong in the trash.

686 WriterMom  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:08:10pm

re: #675 Ben Hur

WOW. That would be AMAZING.

PRAY lizards, PRAY!

687 debutaunt  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:08:21pm

re: #396 zombie

Zombie, will the amount of money trigger their need to report it?

688 WriterMom  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:08:38pm

re: #684 Peacekeeper

OHMYGAAAWD

hahahahhahahaaa

689 WriterMom  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:09:19pm

PK you are so sick.

HAHAHHA

690 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:09:19pm

re: #665 zombie

I vote for Guido, he'll collect the money and with omerta you anonymity is guaranteed.

The down side is they, keep the money and you'll have to pay 'em for the service.

/

691 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:09:44pm

re: #673 itellu3times

Sure, if Kansas doesn't have any radars or guns, and hasn't hidden all their cornfields ninety feet under some anonymous mountains, and doesn't have spies all over Texas in the first place.

Ahh.But Texas has the most advanced systems around to get around today's best detection systems.

Just ask New Mexico what happened to THEIR little nuke shack.

692 bosforus  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:09:50pm

re: #685 mattm

I toss out stuff that works all the time. Computers, beds, tables. I'll just toss it out just cause.

693 wolfie  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:10:06pm

re: #668 WriterMom

More than the boobie lady in the purple dress making googly eyes at zombie?

Okay, this is like the choice between drawn and quartered or impaled on a stake in the desert, but...I'd have to go w/ purple dress over Jimmah.
And I've never even thought of "switching teams" before.

694 Seraphym  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:10:11pm

You wanna see where the civilian casualties from "evil," lawful counter-attacks on these terrorist scum come from?

Check out the 2nd photo in the slideshow to the left of the article in the post (sorry, don't know how to link directly to their hosted images).

Bunch of jackasses standing around right next to a Tango doing spray-n-pray.

Also, I say let the fight come. Once the cancer has spread into your whole limb, it's a painful process to save yourself - but it must be done if you are to save yourself.

~S~

695 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:10:14pm

re: #501 OldLineTexan

zombie:

Probably already suggested but how about (g) get an agent or (g) incorporating or getting a DBA.

Too much of a paper trail back to me. A dedicated investigator will look at a DBA or an incorporation or an LLC and just lick his chops. He'll find out my identity in two seconds flat.

696 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:10:25pm

re: #685 mattm

OT

Today I spotted one of the moonbat/envirowackos who live in my dorm picking in the garbage in the roll-off dumpster the school placed at each ResHall in addition the the reguar front-load container(s) in preparation for move out. Someone tossed a fan in the roll-off. I was head out to toss some trash in myself and the moonbat whined how wasteful we were. Well just now the same moonbat returns with fan to dumpster. I see moonbat and look at him. Low and behold he brought the fan back, plugged in and found it was broken. So yes, sometimes stuff DOES belong in the trash.

Did he put it back in the trash, or keep it as a monument to conservation?

697 Picayune  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:10:25pm

OT: AQ in Iraq's top leader taken into US Custody, per FOX Radio News at 4 pm CST. Rock on, boys. Now tell Hizballah the NEWS!

698 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:10:38pm

re: #678 jcm

Well, my original point was that this thing was designed to kill. The version we see on the hummer is the stepped-down model intended just to kill you a little. Big brother was designed to cook you done but it's still in the hangar somewhere. IF we get into a real shootin' war, I guess today they call an existential war the hangar doors will open and we'll call it the modern equivalent of the flamethrower. the gloves will be off and the rays be shootin'

that's all.

699 rawmuse  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:11:11pm

re: #665 zombie

Yeah, I've pretty much crossed off the "use a friend as a beard" option.

I don't want fame and fortune. Just want to make a difference. If I had my way, I'd remain utterly and totally unknown and anonymous forever.

I can remember when I wanted that, too. After a while, you have to take a stand, though. And, yes, when you do, it costs you. The alternative is to let the Lie stand without Rebuttal. That is the problem with the world, too many Lies don't get slapped down. It does take courage to call the Devil out in to the sunlight. I have lost friends, job opportunities. But, fuck 'em. All I have is this one life, I shall not let the Orks have their way with it.

700 looking closely  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:11:55pm

re: #672 looking closely

Actually, come to think about it, if you have repeated dealings with Fox, then how can you be "unknown"? They know who you are to the extent that they need to already.

This smells like BS to me.

I think they probably want your name for legal reasons so they can have someone to "blame" if it turns out any of your images are faked or involved illegal activity to obtain.

Without that, then THEY are on the hook should that happen, and its going to look very bad for them if they're publishing images from a source they can't specifically identify.

701 BBev  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:12:00pm

re: #535 song_and_dance_man

If zombie uses a lawyer then the lawyer will know. If zombie incorporates his/her true identity will be on the articles. The less people who know is the best option and if zombie has a trusted friend that already knows then the c. option is the best way to go.

The problem with starting a corp or an LLC is that I can find you in about a half an hour it is way to easy. I use lawyers all the time and I am trying to think of a way , Zombie you will need a straw man . I've done it before but unlike your case people were not looking to find out who I was.

702 wolfie  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:12:05pm

re: #684 Peacekeeper

More than a BBQ sauce enema at Cannibal convention

Er, are you sure you don't write horror stories?
If not, you missed your calling!

703 Peacekeeper  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:12:41pm

Zombie maybe go through Homeland Security- at least when they lose the laptop with your identity and 250,000 others at some strip club, Uncle Sam will give you like three months of free credit checks.

704 WriterMom  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:12:51pm

I'm off to a partay...Israeli Indepence Day festivities.

Shalom y'all.

705 Russkilitlover  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:13:00pm

re: #563 zombie

Yes, but all sorts of potential moonbat/traitors have access to Fox databases and accounting records. I can't take that risk.

AGREED! Zombie - Anonomous or bust. Taxfreekiller is right - you could very well be the story.

Unless you have been considering hanging up your lenses for any future endeavors then, by all means, give 'em your info. But my gut tells me you would be critically compromised.

706 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:13:46pm

re: #536 BabbaZee

Agreed. The fact that Zombie is posting on this blog means that Charles already has information concerning it that the rest of us lowly lizards have no way a accessing. He (Charles) does know how to trace postings and E-Mails

707 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:13:54pm

re: #505 LanceKates

There's another two options.

The first is to start a private business, in someone else's name (someone you trust, obviously) and give them the name of the business for their recordkeeping purposes.

You are, in effect, an employee of yourself, with someone else serving as the proxy.

You, also, can create a contract for them to sign saying that they will not release your name to anyone aside from government tax purposes under penalty of some insane amount of money (enough to buy an island and retire in peace)

Have them send back the signed document, notarized, then you've got a good reason for them to never do it.

The truth is, I pretty much have no legal recourse because I wouldn't be countersigning any of those documents, and thus they'd be unenforceable.

I realize fully that I'm playing a game of poker with not only a losing hand, but actually holding five blank cards. As a non-entity, I can be ripped off by anyone at any time to any extent and I can't do jack-doodle to stop them.

All I can do is ask for courtesy. If they don't give it -- I remain unpaid.

708 Peacekeeper  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:13:59pm

re: #704 WriterMom

I'm off to a partay...Israeli Indepence Day festivities.

Shalom y'all.

Shalom Baby.

709 itellu3times  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:14:20pm

re: #698 sojerofgod

Should be possible, and I hope we have a dozen of them standing by.

I'm really curious about whether true Martian-quality laser weapons are possible with current tech, and have also been built. Should be. Antiaircraft, antimissile use. All secret, of course.

710 Creeping Eruption  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:15:04pm

re: #695 zombie

Too much of a paper trail back to me. A dedicated investigator will look at a DBA or an incorporation or an LLC and just lick his chops. He'll find out my identity in two seconds flat.

I think you are making a number of assumptions that could end up being incorrect. You should call an attorney in your jurisdiction, find out what steps can be taken to stay anonymous, and then make an informed decision.

711 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:15:24pm

re: #699 rawmuse

I can remember when I wanted that, too. After a while, you have to take a stand, though. And, yes, when you do, it costs you. The alternative is to let the Lie stand without Rebuttal. That is the problem with the world, too many Lies don't get slapped down. It does take courage to call the Devil out in to the sunlight. I have lost friends, job opportunities. But, fuck 'em. All I have is this one life, I shall not let the Orks have their way with it.

* * *
Rawmuse,
Thank you for having guts & faith.

I'm in such a situation today and nervous because I'm rebutting a lie that ought not stand. Your courage inspires my wimpy soul.

712 looking closely  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:15:25pm

re: #680 zombie

I tend to think so as well. Too small potatoes for a lawyer anyway.

That's why you find someone who will help you for ideologic reasons, rather than financial ones.

I think it would probably pay for itself if the costs were reasonable.

713 galloping granny  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:17:20pm

re: #665 zombie

Yeah, I've pretty much crossed off the "use a friend as a beard" option.

I don't want fame and fortune. Just want to make a difference. If I had my way, I'd remain utterly and totally unknown and anonymous forever.

Then you have just found the answer to your dilemma.

714 m  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:17:24pm

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Code Pink Protesters Try Witchcraft at Anti-Marine Rallies

Abracadabra-alakazam!

715 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:17:39pm

re: #678 jcm

A genset in a Hummer could provide up to around 10-15kW. More than enough, but then you've got dissipation over distance and power drops dramatically. I don't see enough energy on target to do more than at most give 'em a few blisters. MW doesn't penetrate so internal damage is off the books.

Sure could have used a few in Seattle in '99 at WTO.

I saw something about this on Discovery Channel, Future Weapons or one of those types of shows, and am somewhat familiar with the concept and the physics. As I understand it, it really affects the nerve endings in the skin, quite disproportionately to the actual physical effects on the skin itself, so it does indeed feel much worse than it really is. And that will scare the bajeezus out of an ignorant scientifically illiterate group of people. (Like the MSM for instance.) So when word gets around that we are using some sort of devil ray to disperse crowds, then crowds may be more reluctant to form, or at least run away when the big evil billboard on top of the Humvee shows up.

I wonder if they could sell advertising on it.
"This crowd dispersal brought to you by..."

716 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:18:12pm

re: #709 itellu3times

Martian quality?

I can just hear al gore humming "Look for the Martian label" in the background...

I think they do. the F117A stealth fighter/bomber flew for 10 years before the public knew about it.

This thing should be a lot easier to hide than an airplane.

717 rawmuse  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:18:46pm

re: #711 alegrias

Go get 'em. I got your back. We cannot let every single pea-brained idea breathe fresh air without vigorous proof of veracity. Every problem in the world today has its origin in letting some fledgling Falsehood grow in to a robust adult, instead of being strangled in its crib.

718 jorline  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:18:52pm

re: #686 WriterMom

WOW. That would be AMAZING.

PRAY lizards, PRAY!

As I pointed out in another thread earlier, this may leave the door open to Netanyahu. Say goodbye to the nuke plants in Iran.

719 So?  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:18:55pm

re: #408 EC Marm

We'll see how many MSM papers put a call for the annihilation of another country on the front page tomorrow.

Exactly, no other leader of any country would get away with calling another country a "stinking corpse" unless that country is Israel. Says a lot about the state of this world right now.

720 mattm  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:19:56pm

re: #696 Fat Jolly Penguin

Nope, he put it back in the dumpster, along with an empty recyclable soda bottle. Hippy-crite.

721 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:20:33pm

re: #717 rawmuse

Go get 'em. I got your back. We cannot let every single pea-brained idea breathe fresh air without vigorous proof of veracity. Every problem in the world today has its origin in letting some fledgling Falsehood grow in to a robust adult, instead of being strangled in its crib.

* * *
Thank you. You & Martin Luther, saying "Here I stand, I can do no other"~ (after putting up his 99 theses)

722 infidel4ever  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:20:53pm

Breaking on CNN:

The leader of al Qaeda in Iraq has been arrested, an Iraqi Defense Ministry spokesman tells The Associated Press.

723 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:21:05pm
re: #408 EC Marm

We'll see how many MSM papers put a call for the annihilation of another country on the front page tomorrow.

About the same amount the first time around.

(more like the 10th time around, but who's counting?)

724 bosforus  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:21:17pm

re: #714 m

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Code Pink Protesters Try Witchcraft at Anti-Marine Rallies

Abracadabra-alakazam!

They'd be fired if they were florida teachers.
hattip: someone from yesterday

725 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:21:32pm

re: #715 CyanSnowHawk

I saw something about this on Discovery Channel, Future Weapons or one of those types of shows, and am somewhat familiar with the concept and the physics. As I understand it, it really affects the nerve endings in the skin, quite disproportionately to the actual physical effects on the skin itself, so it does indeed feel much worse than it really is. And that will scare the bajeezus out of an ignorant scientifically illiterate group of people. (Like the MSM for instance.) So when word gets around that we are using some sort of devil ray to disperse crowds, then crowds may be more reluctant to form, or at least run away when the big evil billboard on top of the Humvee shows up.

I wonder if they could sell advertising on it.
"This crowd dispersal brought to you by..."

You could save money too, have one or two "real" rays, then a bunch of seachlights with red lenses...

Or a press release, portable flashlight size being issue to LE...

BAWHAHA!

726 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:21:51pm

well, off to the grocery to buy cans of dog food for supper! Oops, I forgot, Obama hasn't been elected yet. So Off to the grocery to buy ravioli!

You lizard heads keep your heads on straight!

727 mattm  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:22:05pm

re: #722 infidel4ever

Breaking on CNN:

The leader of al Qaeda in Iraq has been arrested, an Iraqi Defense Ministry spokesman tells The Associated Press.

But we have lost the war. It is lost we must retreat and redeploy.

/moonbat off

728 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:22:09pm

re: #722 infidel4ever

Breaking on CNN:

The leader of al Qaeda in Iraq has been arrested, an Iraqi Defense Ministry spokesman tells The Associated Press.

DON'T WATERBOARD HIM, BRO!

729 bosforus  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:22:44pm

re: #727 mattm

success has never been so depressing

730 Render  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:22:54pm

Zombie...

In this order...

Charles, Lawhawk, 3Wood.

You're not going to get much better advice on your issue then you will from those three.

Because of the types of people that I tend to go after, I've been hiding my identity on-line since the mid-80's. The safety of my family and friends is not outweighed by any responsibilty to greater humanity.

I'm not in it for fame and fortune either.

Although a bit of the fortune would be helpful from time to time...

TRUTH
BE
TOLD,
R

731 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:23:00pm

re: #698 sojerofgod

Well, my original point was that this thing was designed to kill. The version we see on the hummer is the stepped-down model intended just to kill you a little. Big brother was designed to cook you done but it's still in the hangar somewhere. IF we get into a real shootin' war, I guess today they call an existential war the hangar doors will open and we'll call it the modern equivalent of the flamethrower. the gloves will be off and the rays be shootin'

that's all.

Bullets and hand grenades are cheaper, be a long time before they are effectively replaced.

732 MandyManners  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:23:11pm

re: #722 infidel4ever

Breaking on CNN:

The leader of al Qaeda in Iraq has been arrested, an Iraqi Defense Ministry spokesman tells The Associated Press.

This is good news.

733 looking closely  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:23:12pm

re: #707 zombie

The truth is, I pretty much have no legal recourse because I wouldn't be countersigning any of those documents, and thus they'd be unenforceable.

I realize fully that I'm playing a game of poker with not only a losing hand, but actually holding five blank cards. As a non-entity, I can be ripped off by anyone at any time to any extent and I can't do jack-doodle to stop them.

All I can do is ask for courtesy. If they don't give it -- I remain unpaid.


Well at worst you can get screwed once per individual you are doing business with. As long as you don't release all of your images at once, or in large boluses, the damage should be limited. (As opposed to say having your identity revealed, which would be catastrophic).

I think with an entity like Fox, they have a good reason not to screw you since they'd like to have access to future work.

And again, I'm pretty sure there would be a way to establish a legal structure where your identity and your work could both be protected. Maybe not directly between you and Fox, but between your legally designated representative and Fox.

734 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:23:19pm

re: #724 bosforus

They'd be fired if they were florida teachers.
hattip: someone from yesterday

C'&eacutetait moi!

/OMG my first hat tip!

735 Creeping Eruption  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:23:36pm

OT: I was called for jury duty on this case, but I was struck. I'm kind of glad, this does not look pretty:

THURSDAY, May 8, 2008, 1:51 p.m.
By John Diedrich
Jury deliberating in Body Snatchers case

A jury has begun deliberating in the trial of a man charged with killing a drug dealer and burying his body under concrete in 2000 along with torturing a different dealer with hot chicken grease two years later.

Donald Cooper, 42, faces life behind bars if convicted of the crimes of homicide, robbery, aggravated assault, drug dealing and kidnapping. Witnesses called Cooper the "muscle" behind Michael Lock's criminal organization known as the Body Snatchers. Lock's trial is pending.

In his closing argument this morning Assistant District Attorney Mark Williams acknowledged the state had no physical evidence linking Cooper to the crimes, only testimony from witnesses, several of whom are convicted criminals getting deals for their cooperation.

By burying the body of Eugene "Mickey" Chaney, Cooper and Lock knew the case would be hard to prove, Williams said. Chaney's remains were found five years after he was killed.

"That's why they bury these guys because you can't get this kind of evidence," Williams said, his voice rising with emotion. "They shouldn't win. They controlled that community, terrorized that community. They were the government there and they corrupted the good people and now it's time to pay."

Cooper's attorney, Richard Hart, took aim at each state witness, pointing out inconsistencies and possible motives for lying.

"The state has an agenda to get certain people," Hart said. "That state is willing to give up a whole lot against a lot of bad people to get what it wants ... This case is built in a sewer."

None of the witnesses said they directly witnessed Chaney's killing, but Lock's uncle, Carl Davis, testified he saw Cooper put a plastic bag over the Chaney's head while he was bound. Then Cooper closed a garage door and Chaney's body was next in a hole that Davis had earlier dug, Davis said during the three-day trial in Circuit Court Judge Jeffrey Wagner's courtroom.

Police found a second body in the yard of 4900 W. Fiebrantz Ave., but charges against Cooper in that homicide were dropped earlier.

Two years later, witnesses say, Lock, Cooper, Davis and another man kidnapped Leoporium Ford, a major cocaine dealer, bound him up, beat him and eventually poured boiling chicken grease on him, in an effort to get more drugs and money from him.

Williams said some might not care as much about the victims because they dealt drugs.

"Though they are drug dealers, they are human, they have families and what happened to them is savage, cruel and inhumane," Williams said.

736 jorline  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:23:53pm

re: #695 zombie

Too much of a paper trail back to me. A dedicated investigator will look at a DBA or an incorporation or an LLC and just lick his chops. He'll find out my identity in two seconds flat.


Zombie...screw them! If they want to play ball with you let them figure how to meet YOUR terms. Fox has dealt with all kinds of problems and every kind of character around the world, surely they can find a solution to appease you.

Stick to your principles.

737 hayseed  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:24:06pm

re: #716 sojerofgod

Martian quality?

I can just hear al gore humming "Look for the Martian label" in the background...

I think they do. the F117A stealth fighter/bomber flew for 10 years before the public knew about it.

This thing should be a lot easier to hide than an airplane.

i saw an interview with the retired vp of the skunk works,said something like if you can imagine it we have worked on it.

738 So?  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:24:22pm

re: #473 galloping granny

Tell them you're Deep Throat!

739 bosforus  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:24:24pm

re: #734 Fat Jolly Penguin

C'&eacutetait moi!

/OMG my first hat tip!

LOL! Glad I could be part of your good news today.

740 mj  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:25:01pm

How do you like this headline from the Jew-haters over at Reuters?

Arabs say racism on rise as Israel turns 60
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

741 So?  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:25:08pm

re: #433 NJDhockeyfan

I wouldn't give them your real identity. Remember, they are a news organization. Wouldn't they love to be the ones who find out who the real Zombie is?

I second that commotion.

742 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:25:41pm

Why you busting mah balls, Kyle?

743 valentine81  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:25:49pm

re: #636 Ben Hur

hope you're right, ben. but more and more people are saying they seem to be systematically attempting to seize control of the western half of the city. reportedly, they are moving neighborhood by neighborhood, hezbollah doing the fighting and amal controlling the streets. the are reports also that sunni are being forcibly removed from mixed sunni-shia neighborhoods.

maybe its just the rumor mill, but all the gunfire and rpgs certainly sound bad...

744 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:26:35pm

#740 mj--A person who is arab isn't of a particular race, as with persons of Hispanicity!

745 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:27:11pm

re: #740 mj

How do you like this headline from the Jew-haters over at Reuters?

Arabs say racism on rise as Israel turns 60
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Just following Jimmy's advice.

He told Tibi to press this issue in the MSM.

Of course as usual, the irony is lost on everyone.

746 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:27:12pm
747 valentine81  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:27:35pm

re: #660 wrenchwench

thanks wrench! and sorry for disappearing mid conversation :)

748 wolfie  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:27:37pm

re: #699 rawmuse

re: #711 alegrias

I think it all depends on the situation. I am in a position where I have to "go along to get along" or lose my job. (Part-time, no tenure univ. teaching.) I don't like it, I feel like a coward, but there it is.
I know that I can't do any good for kids today if I'm not allowed to teach them. They get a lot of ideas in my classes that would never be presented to them under the average lefty prof. I'm careful, but I implicitly challenge the party line.
But inevitably I feel like a sell-out whenever I'm appeasing my colleagues.
It's rough.

749 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:27:53pm

re: #735 Creeping Eruption

Williams said some might not care as much about the victims because they dealt drugs.

That Williams is a sharp thinker. He oughter be a lawyer or somesuch.

750 alegrias  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:28:41pm

re: #743 valentine81

hope you're right, ben. but more and more people are saying they seem to be systematically attempting to seize control of the western half of the city. reportedly, they are moving neighborhood by neighborhood, hezbollah doing the fighting and amal controlling the streets. the are reports also that sunni are being forcibly removed from mixed sunni-shia neighborhoods.

maybe its just the rumor mill, but all the gunfire and rpgs certainly sound bad...

* * *
Can your good guys help you? Can you help pinpoint the bad guys to someone close enough to help you?

I feel useless in the USA when some good Lebanese government military might be able to help you & your friends.

Anyone? Advice for Valentine81 beyond staying safe?

751 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:29:07pm

re: #743 valentine81

hope you're right, ben. but more and more people are saying they seem to be systematically attempting to seize control of the western half of the city. reportedly, they are moving neighborhood by neighborhood, hezbollah doing the fighting and amal controlling the streets. the are reports also that sunni are being forcibly removed from mixed sunni-shia neighborhoods.

maybe its just the rumor mill, but all the gunfire and rpgs certainly sound bad...


Well, be sure to keep out of harm's way.

Don't get curious; stay away from windows.

WTF? I probably don't need to tell YOU that!

You are in all our thoughts.

Stay safe!

Don't feel the need to risk anything to get us info.

752 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:30:13pm
753 wolfie  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:30:24pm

re: #735 Creeping Eruption

PETA's gonna be pissed about that chicken grease bit.

754 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:30:37pm

re: #740 mj

How do you like this headline from the Jew-haters over at Reuters?

Arabs say racism on rise as Israel turns 60
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Well, since Muslim countries hate the Jews so much, that's a true statement.

755 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:31:12pm

re: #750 alegrias

* * *
Can your good guys help you? Can you help pinpoint the bad guys to someone close enough to help you?

I feel useless in the USA when some good Lebanese government military might be able to help you & your friends.

Anyone? Advice for Valentine81 beyond staying safe?

Stay in the most interior room of the house. Shut lights. Don't pass windows.

Don't try to help.

756 Dianna  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:32:04pm

re: #721 alegrias

At the Diet of Worms, actually. In front of the Emperor and everybody.

757 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:32:06pm

re: #750 alegrias

* * *
Can your good guys help you? Can you help pinpoint the bad guys to someone close enough to help you?

In the immediate future, the only help would be NATO / EU / US intervention. But you can imagine the ruckus here if we did anything.

Nezbo, is the tail twitching, the head is in Teheran, that's what need to be cut off.

758 GeeWiz  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:32:30pm

OT:
FNC just reporting that the leader of A'Quida in Iraq just arrested in Mosul by Iraqi security forces.

759 Alouette  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:32:41pm

re: #740 mj

How do you like this headline from the Jew-haters over at Reuters?

Arabs say racism on rise as Israel turns 60
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Well, yeah, Jew-hate is racism!

760 sandspur  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:32:59pm

FNC reports AP wire : Leader of AQ in Iraq al Masri arrested

Great if true!

761 Seraphym  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:33:06pm

re: #457 sojerofgod

re: #392 sojerofgod

Meet the Martian Heat Ray, Model M1. Fact is, we promote this as a non-lethal weapon when in fact is was designed to burn personnel to death from the inside out..

As far as I can tell, this is effectively a directional microwave oven.

Undoubtedly its capable of killing people, but most probably aren't going to stand still long enough for it to happen.

Good for riot/crowd control, but I don't think it would have the ability to injure people inside of buildings or such, and the beams are probably relatively easily shielded.

I read an article by a man who was on the development team, and who was let go because of the pentagon's insistance on calling this a non-lethal weapon. He basically stated that is was designed to kill entire regiments of soldiers instantly. So I guess that it has the power to fry you before you can move out of the way, and apparently it works through some walls as well, so you can't duck.

This was already on FutureWeapons. Mack (a.k.a. The Real Sh*t) stood in the beam.

It's millimeter wave, and it produces pain in the sub-dermal tissue, where the water concentration starts. There are built-in time-of-exposure cut-offs in the system, so they can't hold it on one target past a "safe point" that has been determined.

That article was inflammatory, by the way. It won't "microwave" anyone alive. It will cause people enough pain that they simply want to get the hell out of the beam. That's why it's great for crowd control, as it's very precise in targeting (e.g. targeting the leader(s) of a rioting group or something) and is less-than-lethal.

What the long-term effects are, though, I don't think anyone knows right now, and I suspect they are practically nil. Since we happily go out in the sun all the time at the beach (at least us Floridians do, you others might miss out more often though), I wouldn't think that anyone "shot" by this beam is going to suffer any worse life-long effects than about 5 minutes of 0 SPF summertime exposure to our favorite star.

762 TalkinKamel  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:33:28pm

re: #743 valentine81

Valentine, I haven't had time to read this whole thread, or even part of it, so forgive me if I haven't picked up on something you might have mentioned earlier, or if I'm repeating something somebody else said.

The rumor mill in war is, of course, always on-going, and always churning out all kinds of stories, but, if you're within sound of gunfire, and if you have no good guys to turn to at the moment, I would recommend getting out, if you can. Do you have a safe place outside the city you can get to? Are the roads blocked? Do you have anything like a bunker in your own home you could retire to, say, down in a cellar, and do you have any sort of weapons that would allow you to hold off the enemy long enough for you to get out?

I wish we could do more. . . I feel helpless too. G-d love you, Valentine, keep us posted.

763 offendi  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:33:58pm

Lebanon is quite instructive for all of us as an example when Palestinian and Palestinian sympathizers suggest Israel should morph into a united state of "Palestinians" and Jews. In other words, let the muslim arabs fully benefit from the Jews investment, sacrifice and work, where they have exhibited none on their own in the Palestinian territories.

We need to look at the continuous conflict in Lebanon based on religion and the precarious fate of the Maronite Christians , an indigenous people in their own land, to understand the perfidy of muslim extremism. Would any sane country be willing to be subjected to this raging religous mental illness?

764 Ben Hur  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:34:03pm

re: #758 GeeWiz

OT:
FNC just reporting that the leader of A'Quida in Iraq just arrested in Mosul by Iraqi security forces.

That was very nice of the US military to let the Iraq Security Forces (sorry, IDF was already taken) get the collar.

765 GeeWiz  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:34:44pm

re: #764 Ben Hur

LOL!

766 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:35:19pm

re: #759 Alouette

Well, yeah, Jew-hate is racism!

It's bigotry, not racism, unless Jews are a race.

767 rawmuse  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:35:27pm

re: #748 wolfie

I don't envy you. I have no dependents, so I can afford to tell a few people to piss off. It is shameful that good people have to live under such conditions. Evil is everywhere, and it desperately wants to do nothing to oppose it.

Here are some things that I have done that cost me various jobs.

1) Refuse to go to bed with my superiors. (Both gay and straight)
2) Refuse to promise to vote Democrat.
3) Refuse to have union dues deducted from my wages.
4) Refuse to tolerate drug addicted co-workers.
5) Refuse to sign a promise to advance "International Socialism"

Had enough?

768 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:35:27pm

re: #732 MandyManners

This is good news.

Bad news for the Democrats. :-(

769 Whiterasta  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:36:01pm

re: #685 mattm

Too bad it did not give him a 120 Volt zap when the idiot tried plugging it in ...

770 MacGregor  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:36:15pm

re: #448 valentine81

Valentine81 you are indeed in our prayers. Be safe and keep us updated.

Mac

771 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:36:20pm

re: #759 Alouette

Well, yeah, Jew-hate is racism!

Hatred of Jews isn't racism. Judaism is a religion, not a race; same goes for Islam.

So in other words, the Palis are still kooky.

772 Creeping Eruption  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:38:14pm

re: #753 wolfie

MMMmmm Chicken grease and peta. . .

773 jcm  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:38:31pm

OT

High quality (D) candidate for the US House in WA.

Being from Seattle, the ad softballs it. This one makes Patty Murray look like a rocket scientist.

774 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:38:50pm

In point of fact, the Jews are considered a race, and antisemitism is the specific kind of racism against them.

775 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:38:51pm

OT

How long has registration been open?

/NOOBS INCOMING! BRACE FOR IMPACT!

776 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:39:21pm

re: #774 goddessoftheclassroom

In point of fact, the Jews are considered a race, and antisemitism is the specific kind of racism against them.

Oh. Otay. Sorry!

777 valentine81  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:39:40pm

re: #750 alegrias

so far my neighborhood isn't at all dangerous yet, thank god... my main concern right now is a young american friend of mine stuck in a bad area, am trying to get her out but so far she's too scared to leave the house.

btw, THANK YOU ALL for your kind words, thoughts and prayers. it means a lot! please remember that lebanon still has an awful of good guys amid psychopaths. we're going to need your support if we're going to remain standing at the end of this.

778 sparrowlake  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:39:43pm

re: #634 zombie

I'm just still not comfortable with it. There's no lawyer in this world whom I know well enough to trust. Eventually, names could leak.

IMO the only valid reason for you not to retain a lawyer is if there is not enough money at stake to justify the cost. Otherwise, you are being penny wise and pound foolish. If you really cannot get a trustworthy legal referral from someone you know why don't you ask Charles (or Stinky) to refer you anonymously to his lawyer - I suspect someone as smart and successful as Charles has access to a good one.
On the other hand, if only a modest amount of money is involved, just stick to your guns and take whatever you can get anonymously.
Good luck.

779 LanceKates  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:39:53pm

re: #707 zombie

The truth is, I pretty much have no legal recourse because I wouldn't be countersigning any of those documents, and thus they'd be unenforceable.

I realize fully that I'm playing a game of poker with not only a losing hand, but actually holding five blank cards. As a non-entity, I can be ripped off by anyone at any time to any extent and I can't do jack-doodle to stop them.

All I can do is ask for courtesy. If they don't give it -- I remain unpaid.

Or just don't send them the pictures.

Charles doesn't seem to mind putting up threads, and I enjoy alot of what you put up.

If you're wanting money, there are ad services that run through paypal.

If you're wanting to rename anonymous (and you and I have had the discussion why), then that should trump any dollar figure.

780 Stratergic Thinking  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:41:10pm

re: #124 Conservative in Liberal Hands

Darth, You've confirmed a suspicion I've had for a long while - namely that a lot of people just want to be left in peace and to make as good a living as they're able for themselves and their families. Thanks!

When I was in college we had an international fair. Where all of the students from around the world set up displays, made food etc. hte pics of Lebanon in hte old days were just astonishing. It was a very very beautiful place.

OTOH, my 2 friends and I nearly ate all of the food the girls from some where in Africa made. a nice spicy rice dish. They were cracking up because most people couldn't take the heat.

781 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:41:17pm

re: #743 valentine81

Sounds like it's going to be another hot summer in Lebanon. :-(

Stay safe.

782 wolfie  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:41:28pm

re: #767 rawmuse

I don't envy you. I have no dependents, so I can afford to tell a few people to piss off. It is shameful that good people have to live under such conditions. Evil is everywhere, and it desperately wants to do nothing to oppose it.

Here are some things that I have done that cost me various jobs.

1) Refuse to go to bed with my superiors. (Both gay and straight)
2) Refuse to promise to vote Democrat.
3) Refuse to have union dues deducted from my wages.
4) Refuse to tolerate drug addicted co-workers.
5) Refuse to sign a promise to advance "International Socialism"

Had enough?

The left really does show its true colors whenever it gets into a position of strength. Their way or the highway. And they are taking over, one institution at a time.
Nobama.

783 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:41:51pm

re: #774 goddessoftheclassroom

In point of fact, the Jews are considered a race, and antisemitism is the specific kind of racism against them.

There are semitic peoples that are not Jewish, yes? And some Jewish people are not semitic, IIRC.

Although antisemitism does have the meaning you give, I see that more as another example of innaccuracy in common English usage.

784 valentine81  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:41:54pm

re: #777 valentine81

pimf... amid THE psychopaths, obvi.

it has been a long day!

785 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:43:24pm
786 J.S.  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:43:24pm

re: #777 valentine81

News reports here are suggesting that Nasrallah may be attempting to stage a coup...a take over (?)...(If you're Canadian, could request assistance -- as per the 2006 evacuation of Canadians out of Lebanon...)

787 BBev  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:43:29pm

re: #750 alegrias

* * *
Can your good guys help you? Can you help pinpoint the bad guys to someone close enough to help you?

I feel useless in the USA when some good Lebanese government military might be able to help you & your friends.

Anyone? Advice for Valentine81 beyond staying safe?


I have friends there right now and I know what is going on if any help is needed I sure something can be done. I you need more info let me know.

788 valentine81  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:44:29pm

re: #781 Honorary Yooper

man, just a few years ago, lebanon in the summer for me meant hiking, swimming, tourists, festivals, spending all day at the beach then partying till the sun came up :)

now, after '06 and '07, summer in lebanon apparently means war. it's a damn, damn shame.

789 kuchuklambat  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:45:28pm

Zombie, I'll disagree with Cognito and repeat what others here said -- attorney-client privilege is a huge thing. You don't seem to be out for money (Cognito's argument, I think, is that you won't make as much with a lawyer) but you can find an almost perfect anonymity with a lawyer to whom you can sign over power of attorney to handle your money. It might cost you, yes, but there are some cheap(er) lawyers in the Bay Area. Email me if you want me to look for some references for you.
I am in SF Bay area and while I can't be your beard (need to keep my name lo-pro, too), let me know if and when you need your back covered.

790 wolfie  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:46:20pm

re: #784 valentine81

pimf... amid THE psychopaths, obvi.

it has been a long day!

The only thing we can do is pray.
I'm out in the sticks, but in the nearest big city there is a large Maronite population. A friend of mine says the Maronite church has a prayer chain going on...so someone is praying 24/7 for you guys.

791 valentine81  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:47:51pm

re: #786 J.S.

we're afraid of the same thing. but i don't want to leave unless i really have to... i'll be damned if i'll help a bunch of terrorists take over by clearing out.

792 jorline  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:48:23pm

re: #785 taxfreekiller

This is the second Revolutionary War, your on the front line.

Some are walking point, night patrol, 6 or 8 way out in the power peoples woods, these others want to know who comes. If they have knowledge of who you are, they will bend or break you or someone near you that you love.

This Revolution is starting just like the first one, with words, later there will be the required deeds of courage.

Make yourselves ready.


killer...you OK?

Did happy hour start in your TZ four hours ago?

793 valentine81  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:48:40pm

re: #790 wolfie

thanks for letting me know wolfie... :)

794 TalkinKamel  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:49:21pm

re: #777 valentine81

If your young American friend is too scared to leave the house---shout, "Look, the winged victory of Samotrhace!" or something like that, and, when she looks, knock her over the head and drag her out of there to safety. Okay, I'm joking (even when things are grim, we gotta mock Stan), but she has to understand she's in far more danger where she is.

We know there are still good guys in Lebanon, and we support you. We know Hamas hates the US; sadly, they might be striking at us by attacking "The American backed" Lebanese government. You are in our prayers. Stay safe, don't take any stupid risks, get out if it gets too dangerous. . . G-d bless you.

795 TalkinKamel  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:50:27pm

re: #786 J.S.

Yes, Valentine, if Nasrallah does take over, consider playing the Canadian card to help you get out of there.

796 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:52:24pm

I read the fwench want the UN to "get tough" with the military junta in Myanmar, to ensure the civilians get aid and protection

Perhaps the fwench should "get tough" with hizbollacks and do the job they were asked to do, then maybe we could take them seriously.

Bwaaahhaaahahahahahahahahah

797 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:52:34pm

re: #532 WriterMom

zombie!

Perhaps Charles could be the intermediary here? You could 'sell' them to Charles, and Fox could pay Charles. Charles could reimburse you and you can be sure that your identity is safe with Charles.

Perhaps that is nuts.

Y'know, that's the most creative idea I've read here yet!

Thanks!

798 BBev  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:52:40pm

re: #791 valentine81

we're afraid of the same thing. but i don't want to leave unless i really have to... i'll be damned if I'll help a bunch of terrorists take over by clearing out.

My buds family are Christian and I am really afraid for them where do they go when there are two Muslim factions fighting?

799 shiplord kirel  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:53:02pm

re: #707 zombie

I think you should make the best deal you can with Fox, not because I particularly trust them but because some assurance of anonymity is better than none.

I really, really hate to say so, but I think any good media organization could find your identity if they have the incentive. It looks like they are developing enough interest to provide that incentive.
I am frankly a little surprised you haven't been outed already. Obviously I will not describe how this might be done, but there is a way.
It is better for you to have the benefit of this risk, rather than for the media to have it for themselves exclusively.

800 infidel4ever  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:55:13pm

re: #740 mj

How do you like this headline from the Jew-haters over at Reuters?

Arabs say racism on rise as Israel turns 60
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

The MSM is the same all over the world.

Today there was a small blurb in Trouw, a Dutch newspaper, announcing an upcoming article about the socialists in the European parliament calling for an end to "the morally reprehensible speculation in food" because of globally rising food prices.

This article was accompanied by a picture with the caption: "An Israeli farmer harvesting his grain. Members of the European Parliament stated today that they consider speculating with food to be "morally reprehensible".

What the devil did the Israeli farmer have to do with anything? Are we supposed to think the Israeli's are hoarding their grain and letting the poor people of the world starve? That the evil Joos are speculating and growing rich off everybody's misery? Or was it just too good an opportunity to once again get the words 'Israel" and 'morally reprehensible' printed on the (online) front page? And on Israel's birthday too. B*stards.

[Link: www.trouw.nl...]

801 shiplord kirel  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:55:35pm

Zombie:

Oops, meant to say:
You have the risk of exposure whether you deal with Fox or not. It is better for you to have the benefit as well.

802 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:57:22pm

re: #537 bosforus

Put your photos with a watermark on a disc. Put the disc inside of a helium filled balloon and release it underneath a hot air balloon. The Fox representative in the hot air balloon will be too high to see your face thus maintaining your secret identity. If they're happy with the photos, tell them to light a flare. On the count of three, you release another balloon with the unwatermarked photos and they release a parachuted action figure with a wad of cash duct taped to it. Problem solved.

Perfect. That's exactly what I'm gonna do.

803 sparrowlake  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:57:25pm
804 valentine81  Thu, May 8, 2008 2:57:52pm

well, how's that for irony. i just went on to my balcony bc - holy crap! i was seeing big flashes of light and rumbling over mount lebanon, which is almost 100% christian, and in the opposite direction from all the other flashes and rumbling tonight.

there's a massive thunderstorm underway up over the mountains. someone sure has a sense of humor!

805 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 3:00:16pm

re: #555 WriterMom

Well, Charles has stated here that he has no idea who zombie is anyway. And when I was talking about reimbursement, I should have written that it could be done through zombie's pay pal.

Totally anonymous for everyone.

Exactly! I'm liking this idea more and more. IF Fox agrees to it, that is.

806 BBev  Thu, May 8, 2008 3:01:03pm

re: #804 valentine81
Do you have friends there that can help you get out if needed?

807 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 3:01:45pm

re: #804 valentine81

well, how's that for irony. i just went on to my balcony bc - holy crap! i was seeing big flashes of light and rumbling over mount lebanon, which is almost 100% christian, and in the opposite direction from all the other flashes and rumbling tonight.

there's a massive thunderstorm underway up over the mountains. someone sure has a sense of humor!

You should contact Charles ASAP, and have him feature your observations of the action -- live -- here on LGF.

Use contact form of the left sidebar, if you don't have his email address already.

808 TalkinKamel  Thu, May 8, 2008 3:04:20pm

re: #791 valentine81

However, if, and when, it looks like you really have to go---GO! Don't hang around.

During the awful 20th-21st Centuries, far too many people stayed: in Germany, in Singapore, in Holland, the Philippines, etc., when they should have gotten out. And, when they finally did decide to go, it was usually too late. So, when the time comes to leave, do it. Play the Canadian card if you have to. In fact, if I were you, I'd pack anything necessary: clothes, passport, valuables, money RIGHT NOW! (But nothing too heavy, nothing to slow you down), and have it all ready if the moment comes when you do have to make a run for it.

809 sparrowlake  Thu, May 8, 2008 3:09:45pm

re: #791 valentine81

we're afraid of the same thing. but i don't want to leave unless i really have to... i'll be damned if i'll help a bunch of terrorists take over by clearing out.

Wow, you sound very brave.
Now get the hell outta there unless you have no immediate family.

810 valentine81  Thu, May 8, 2008 3:12:46pm

re: #809 sparrowlake

not feeling terribly brave today, i'll tell you that! but i AM very stubborn :) especially when it comes to capitulating to bad guys...

811 Seraphym  Thu, May 8, 2008 3:15:46pm

re: #448 valentine81

all hell is breaking loose! can hear a convoy of tanks rolling below my apt right now. though at least, i'm grateful that's all that disturbing my neighborhood right now... can hear the gunfire/rumbling and see flashes of light from across town towards hezbollahland... :(

pls keep us in your prayers guys!

I am praying for you and those you hold dear.

Don't take risks with your life, unless you have no choice in defense of your loved ones' lives or your own. Get out, or get down, if sh*t starts coming your way.

God Bless!

(keep us informed on your well-being, if it's safe to, too)

~S~

812 BBev  Thu, May 8, 2008 3:16:12pm

re: #809 sparrowlake

Wow, you sound very brave.
Now get the hell outta there unless you have no immediate family.


You did not answer me! do you have friend there that can help you?

813 kuchuklambat  Thu, May 8, 2008 3:21:18pm

zomb, if tshtf Charles or any other non-lawyer rep of yours can be ordered by the court to reveal your identity, while a lawyer cannot. I think. Just sayin.

814 Seraphym  Thu, May 8, 2008 3:24:03pm

re: #791 valentine81

we're afraid of the same thing. but i don't want to leave unless i really have to... i'll be damned if i'll help a bunch of terrorists take over by clearing out.

The military and police are there to handle this. Unless you find yourself in the thick of things, with imminent threat to your life or your families, execute the better part of valor: discretion. Losing your life over something that might be just a show of strength, no matter how frightening, won't do you, your family or your country any good.

Stay safe, and chin up, you've got tons of support right here.

~S~

815 BBev  Thu, May 8, 2008 3:26:48pm

re: #804 valentine81

I just called a friend, if you need to get out fast let me know fast we will get you out right away.

816 valentine81  Thu, May 8, 2008 3:26:52pm

re: #812 BBev

sorry bbev yes i'm good on that front :)

don't worry guys, i'm not going to risk my life. but i'm neither will i run away -- until its simply irresponsible not to do so.

817 valentine81  Thu, May 8, 2008 3:28:09pm

re: #815 BBev

am ok for now bbev but THANK YOU! i really, really appreciate it :)

818 BBev  Thu, May 8, 2008 3:31:01pm

re: #816 valentine81

sorry bbev yes i'm good on that front :)

don't worry guys, i'm not going to risk my life. but i'm neither will i run away -- until its simply irresponsible not to do so.

He said he would send 10 men to your location. you can get my email from Realwest for some reason I can't get it to work here.

819 Seraphym  Thu, May 8, 2008 3:34:26pm

HOLY CRAP, can't believe I almost missed this.

Amal means "Hope" in Arabic.

Isn't that half of Barack Hussein Obama's platform?

Is this some of the "hope" we can expect with his political platform?

I'd wager it is.

/see, I learned something from reading Tom Kratman's "Caliphate"

820 BBev  Thu, May 8, 2008 4:05:50pm

re: #817 valentine81

I got my email to work let me know if you need help.

821 Ma Sands  Thu, May 8, 2008 4:14:03pm

re: #820 BBev

(I would hope he's getting some rest, storing up strength --it is past 2 in the morning over there!)

822 BBev  Thu, May 8, 2008 4:18:03pm

re: #821 Ma Sands

(I would hope he's getting some rest, storing up strength --it is past 2 in the morning over there!)

Me too . I will keep an eye out on that email address.

823 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 4:48:22pm
824 Ma Sands  Thu, May 8, 2008 4:55:13pm

re: #823 buzzsawmonkey

buzz...I cannot shut this thread down...watching it like a hawk until either Charles puts up a new Lebanon one, or valentine81 re-appears...

825 zombie  Thu, May 8, 2008 4:58:47pm

re: #823 buzzsawmonkey

Thread's probably dead, but zombie, if you're still here, or back again:

Remember that every Shadow needs a Margot, just as every Batman needs an Alfred.

I may have to end up going by the Peter Parker / Spiderman metophor mentioned above, whereby I am my own beard.

826 Ma Sands  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:07:32pm

re: #825 zombie

(Is your beard as long as Lady Godiva's hair was?)

827 BBev  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:10:14pm

re: #824 Ma Sands

buzz...I cannot shut this thread down...watching it like a hawk until either Charles puts up a new Lebanon one, or valentine81 re-appears...

Me too/

828 Challenger  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:19:25pm

Thank you Iran.
/s

Wonder how bold they'll get in stirring up trouble once they have NUKES?

829 Ma Sands  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:22:38pm

re: #828 Challenger

Pretty bold...it's all been written down already...

830 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:27:44pm
831 Ma Sands  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:32:12pm

re: #830 buzzsawmonkey

:) Oh, my but you are good! :) Thank you.

832 ackomanyuki  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:37:14pm

Grab your popcorn! Hot Link to your front seat for the latest installment of the decades old Levantine tragedy franchise.

833 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:39:37pm
834 Tom Kratman  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:53:45pm

re: #819 Seraphym

Yes, Amal means hope.

I've forgotten most of whatever Arabic I once knew. The word and name, Amal, stuck with me because of an arrested girl, no more than 17, named Amal, I met once in a Kuwait City police station. She was about four months pregnant, married to a LT in the PLO, and had been caught with a trunk full of Kalashnikovs. She was an _intensely_ beautiful girl who was pretty sure she was for the chop, sure enough that it was hard to pry her hand off me to keep me from leaving the station.

Did what I could for her, got the station captain's word she wouldn't be put to death without a trial, took her name and contact information to remind the captain I could check if she just disappeared or was tortured.

Never saw her name on the list of those condemned to hang (if memory serves there were five collaborating women who were condemned) so perhaps it even did some good.

Anyway, that's where the name came from.

835 Ma Sands  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:17:12pm

re: #834 Tom Kratman

O.h... h.o.w...s.a.d ! ... ):

I have often wondered, if every person who died within this world-wide war on terror, had a name, a face, and a story...told to the world, if that would motivate the uninterested --to prayer, to join the military, or missionary groups...something...because, it seems to me, if the entire world were intricately involved, t.e.r.r.o.r...c.o.u.l.d...n.o.t...t.r.i.u.m.p.h !


My own experience with the name "Amal": the "Amal and the Night Visitors" opera...

836 Tom Kratman  Thu, May 8, 2008 7:28:15pm

re: #835 Ma Sands

Couldn't triumph? Oh, I dunno.

Caleb Carr wrote a book on the subject which I found particularly execrable. He took one kind of terror, random, and used that as if it were the only kind, showed that random terror didn't work, which it doesn't, generally, and therefore concluded that terror doesn't work.

It was intellectual fraud.

There are at least two other kinds or terror: Specific and genocidal. (Nobody likes that word. Note that genocidal terror kept us and the Soviets from blowing each other to kingdom come.) Specific involves terror aimed at particular individuals and those they care about. Genocidal is exactly what you would expect and, because it encompasses everything, is also specific. They both can, and, generally speaking, do work, if they're credible threats.

Amal? That was in March, 91. I don't think they did kill her though I wouldn't lay any odds as to how rigorous her interrogation may have been, or what other...mmm...indignities she may have been subjected to - again, she was _intensely_, even achingly, beautiful. The police captain assured me she wasn't in any danger, that the one they wanted was her husband and they intended to use her to get him. Given the culture and the circumstances, that seemed probable to me at the time and was never contradicted by the list of the executed.

837 Ma Sands  Thu, May 8, 2008 8:10:36pm

re: #836 Tom Kratman

You are correct, in that, as long as Satan is on the loose, even in the limited role that has been since 2000 years ago, he'll use that as a tool...

Girls that age, 'specially when they've got a baby coming, often are one of the most beautiful things in this life... :)

You sure sound as if you've had a "down in the trenches" life! Did you manage it with out any crust of bitterness accruing...?

838 Tom Kratman  Thu, May 8, 2008 8:25:51pm

re: #837 Ma Sands

No bitterness? None? Probably not. More realism verging on cynicism, though.

839 Ma Sands  Thu, May 8, 2008 8:29:19pm

re: #838 Tom Kratman

Cynicism...sigh --I was talking with one of my sons yesterday about the presence of that on lgf...makes me sad...


...but not on the deepest level... :)

(irrepressible joy :)

840 Kalak  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:51:07am

With more developments today, it seems some people missed how Beruit looked from 1975 to 1990, with the blasted ruins pocked by bulletholes, and the constant chatter of Kalashnikovs being fired blindly over car shells at anything that moved.

Seems like they want it back. Hell with the cruise destination that Lebanon was beginning to become. They want their post-civilization wreck back!

Why does it seem like the preferred environment for Islamists is a trashed city with the only thing that still works being old RPG-7s and AKs?


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