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McCain on O'Reilly

Thu, May 8, 2008 at 5:04:29 pm PDT

Here’s a thread to discuss John McCain’s appearance on the Bill O’Reilly show...

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1 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:05:43pm

Damn. TV is in the other room.

2 Ojoe  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:06:23pm

No TV either

3 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:06:34pm

Get off of him, Senator!

4 nyc redneck  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:07:00pm

i bet osama doesn't go on. and it's not because he's busy w/ his waffle.

5 yesandno  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:07:24pm

Wouldn't believe it if I heard it, even if I saw it.

6 MandyManners  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:08:45pm

re: #3 Bob in Breckenridge

Get off of him, Senator!

*snicker*

7 HelloDare  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:08:57pm

No cable.

8 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:09:36pm

re: #6 MandyManners

*snicker*

No, but if you have a 3 Musketeers, I'll take that. :)

9 HelloDare  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:10:01pm

Does Bill have any softballs left over from his Hillary interview?

10 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:10:24pm

McCain doesn't read Huffpo. That has to be worth a couple votes.

11 tripletdad  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:10:37pm

Comes off very upbeat and likable...
I was disappointed in Dole's deadpan appearance and demeanor, so hey, things are looking up this time!

12 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:11:41pm

re: #9 HelloDare

Does Bill have any softballs left over from his Hillary interview?

Nope, O'Reilly gave them to Chris Wallace for his interview with the Obamessiah last Sunday.

13 Egfrow  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:13:40pm

I just watched the clips of John McCain on the Daily show. He was really pandering to the left here. I was not impressed at all. A real conservative would not have done what did. He quoted Chairman Mao for a freaking Proverb and said asked any one if they remembered the quote. I'm not sure if he was playing around with the audience because he believes they are leftists or if he was serious. Overall, he was doing some serious pandering.

Video Part1

Video Part 2

14 Leftfoot Leeds  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:14:10pm

The Liberal World

In “The Liberal World” there are no rules,
So none can ever be broken.
Only tradition and custom draped over those fools,
Under which hateful words are spoken.
Gleefully free from accountability,
Living in the realm of whim.
Built on the dead body of Liberty,
Lavishly adorning sin!
The reasons are dual to vote for a RINO or a Dem.
A believer true in slavery...
For all but them.
Or
They don’t know in whose bed they lay
Hypnotized for seduction,
The totalist fangs dug deep.
Infecting their minds with delusional
“BLEEP”
Sowing the seeds of destruction.
And killing the mind of Man.

The Liberal World

Kudos to Rush Limbaugh for the first two lines

15 itellu3times  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:14:14pm

Can an O'Reilly be fair to a McCain?

What's McCain's middle name, and why doesn't anybody use it, what is he trying to hide? Sidney? Oh, I see, never mind.

16 MandyManners  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:15:36pm

I'm watching Planet of the Apes.

17 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:15:44pm

His views on the world's petrol economy don't impress me.

18 mean Gene  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:15:45pm

He's been forceful speaking extemporaneously.
That's refreshing to hear.
Makes me want to hear more of him in that mode.

19 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:16:38pm

re: #13 Egfrow

The Great One, Mark Levin, just played a few cuts of him on John Leibowitz's, I mean John Stewart's show, then hammered McCain big-time for his pandering.

20 BGOH  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:17:13pm

I must say, I disagree with McCain on many issues, but I appreciate his sincerity and his energy. He's always very upbeat, which is more than can be said for the Obamanator who always seems to think he has to emote the "pain" he perceives in this country.

21 tripletdad  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:17:36pm

Yep, his fuel crisis solution wasn't.

22 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:19:30pm

His understanding of the health care economy is much better.

23 LoFlyer  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:19:54pm

Ninety percent of the political news has been focused on Hillary and Obama, with McCain getting little coverage. Once the Democrats choose a candidate we can be assured that the media will dedicate more coverage to McCain, it will all be negative coverage of course because when was the last we saw balanced coverage of a Republican candidate? The 2004 election was a joke because even the blind, deaf and dumb could see the blatant media bias toward Kerry. Expect more of the same come September. I am proud of Charles and the LGF for the role we played in exposing the CBS 60 minute October surprise for the Bush campaign, may we continue to serve our country well!

24 nyc redneck  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:20:55pm

i think mccain will win, even tho the msm will shill for osama until late on election night, telling lies abt. it's too close to call, when osama, in fact, will be as far behind as jimmy carter ever was, when reagan trounced him soundly. pollsters are devious.
hillary is right when she says, all he has is 90% of the bk. vote, the snob vote and the college kids (many of whom won't turn out).

25 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:21:35pm

re: #20 BGOH

I must say, I disagree with McCain on many issues, but I appreciate his sincerity and his energy. He's always very upbeat, which is more than can be said for the Obamanator who always seems to think he has to emote the "pain" he perceives in this country.

Saw him *live* in a town hall meeting yesterday. He repeats himself A LOT, even with a teleprompter. For the first ten minutes of his speech, I wasn't sure what the hell he was talking about. Sex slaves, internet smut, slavery, national guilt.... Oy!

He did MUCH better when discussing national security issues, then lost me again by ranting about greenhouse gases, global warming, CAFE standards.....

The real deal killer was when he bragged about working well with Teddy *the swimmer* Kennedy. GACK!

26 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:21:49pm

McCain isn't afraid to go head to head with O'Reilly, but Obama is afraid he will lose control of his bowels on the set.

27 nyc redneck  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:22:30pm

re: #26 maddogg

McCain isn't afraid to go head to head with O'Reilly, but Obama is afraid he will lose control of his bowels on the set.

bad waffle?

28 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:22:53pm

re: #24 nyc redneck

hillary is right when she says, all he has is 90% of the bk. vote, the snob vote and the college kids (many of whom won't turn out).

/Especially if they go to San Diego State U! %)

29 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:22:53pm

I saw an inversion of the Swift Boat Veterans attack on Kerry:

McCain's cell mate from Hanoi (a very highly decorated pilot) gave him huge praise.

30 mean Gene  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:23:02pm

re: #24 nyc redneck

i think mccain will win, even tho the msm will shill for osama until late on election night, telling lies abt. it's too close to call, when osama, in fact, will be as far behind as jimmy carter ever was, when reagan trounced him soundly. pollsters are devious.
hillary is right when she says, all he has is 90% of the bk. vote, the snob vote and the college kids (many of whom won't turn out).

Hillary says that all he has is 90% of the black vote?
That's funny since she was totally expecting to have that 90% of the black vote go her way (simply for being married to the ''first black president).

31 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:23:22pm

Evening all,
McCain will not drill for ooil no matter what he says.. it will always be a "pristine" area, and he will not do it. He just hedged his way thru that one. The next 4 years are gonna be a long, hard haul no matter which moonbat gets in. I need a drink!

32 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:23:41pm

re: #27 nyc redneck

bad waffle?

Heh, he is afraid O'reilly will stick a fork in his waffle.

33 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:23:50pm

re: #28 Bob in Breckenridge

/Especially if they go to San Diego State U! %)

True! Felons can't vote....

/and stoners can't find the polls!

34 sattv4u2  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:24:10pm

sorry to go OT so soon , but

Ex-talk show host Bernie Ward admits to distributing child pornography
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]
.",,,,,, admitted today to distributing child pornography in a plea deal that will send him to federal prison for at least five years."

Can I be the 1st to give him the nickname of BEND OVER BERNIE !

35 mean Gene  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:25:05pm

re: #31 CapeCoddah

Evening all,
McCain will not drill for ooil no matter what he says.. it will always be a "pristine" area, and he will not do it. He just hedged his way thru that one. The next 4 years are gonna be a long, hard haul no matter which moonbat gets in. I need a drink!

Everybody seems to forget why we bought Alaska from the Russians.....it was rich in natural resources.
At first we took advantage of that fact.
More recently we've lost our way.

36 GGMac  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:25:08pm

Hi everybody - OT, here, but far superior to McCain:

MICHAEL YON is on Savage Nation ! (central time here)

37 GeeWiz  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:25:23pm

re: #16 MandyManners

Thanks for the heads up. I too am watching "The Planet of the Apes" on AMC now. I have seen it before like I've seen the McCain thingy before, but this one is more interesting.

38 Da_Beerfreak  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:25:25pm
Here’s a thread to discuss John McCain’s appearance on the Bill O’Reilly show...

Do we have to stay on topic?
Can't we bash McCain just for fun?
// {;-)™

39 brickthruplateglasswindow  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:25:38pm

John, "poserCon" McCain. He agrees with you, but won't do shit about it. Hey John, instead of "giving" me 5000 bucks to get my own health care, how about you don't take it from me in the first place?

40 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:26:01pm

Obama's health is Hillary's pig of a plan with a fresh coat of cheap red lipstick.

41 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:26:11pm

re: #33 Grammy Cracker

42 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:26:27pm

re: #29 Dar ul Harbarian

I saw an inversion of the Swift Boat Veterans attack on Kerry:

McCain's cell mate from Hanoi (a very highly decorated pilot) gave him huge praise.

McCain was offered an early release due to his Dad being an Admiral, but refused to leave his shipmates. He's the anti-Kerry.

43 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:27:05pm

re: #31 CapeCoddah

Evening all,
McCain will not drill for ooil no matter what he says.. it will always be a "pristine" area, and he will not do it. He just hedged his way thru that one. The next 4 years are gonna be a long, hard haul no matter which moonbat gets in. I need a drink!

He actually said yesterday that he opposed legislation to drill on the continental shelf and in ANWAR because he's a federalist! He believes individual states should make these determinations for themselves. Hah!

Are there any Alaskan Lizards? I'd love to get their input. Wanna bet what percentage of Alaska residents are in favor of drilling in ANWAR? Can you say JOBS?

44 LoFlyer  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:27:14pm

re: #29 Dar ul Harbarian

I saw an inversion of the Swift Boat Veterans attack on Kerry:

McCain's cell mate from Hanoi (a very highly decorated pilot) gave him huge praise.

I have also heard some nasty rumors that McCain co-operated with NV to obtain better living conditions. Personally I believe a cell-mate would be a better source than some unsubstantiated rumors or talk from people who could have a grudge against McCain....

45 VOLunteer in Arizona  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:27:25pm

Amen on border control O'Reilly! If only McCain would open his eyes, but it does not look like that is going to happen. Hopefully our State law that hits businesses for knowingly hiring illegals will do what the Feds refuse to do. I guess mining the border is out of the question......at least 'Sheriff Joe' is one public official on our side....

46 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:27:46pm

re: #31 CapeCoddah

Evening all,
McCain will not drill for ooil no matter what he says.. it will always be a "pristine" area, and he will not do it. He just hedged his way thru that one. The next 4 years are gonna be a long, hard haul no matter which moonbat gets in. I need a drink!

The moonbats take their vacation time to go to Northern Alsaka to commune with polar bears and caribou. Who could be so cruels as to despoil their spiritually succor?

47 Dr. Shalit  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:28:59pm

Everyone -

The good Sen. McCain is the DAMAGE CONTROL CANDIDATE, nothing more, nothing less, with all due respect for his service and suffering. That is all.

-S-

48 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:29:49pm

re: #43 Grammy Cracker

He actually said yesterday that he opposed legislation to drill on the continental shelf and in ANWAR because he's a federalist! He believes individual states should make these determinations for themselves. Hah!

Are there any Alaskan Lizards? I'd love to get their input. Wanna bet what percentage of Alaska residents are in favor of drilling in ANWAR? Can you say JOBS?

The unions (Teamsters, AFL-CIO, etc.) were all for drilling up there. Yet they continue to support the dumocraps.

49 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:29:58pm

re: #45 VOLunteer in Arizona

Amen on border control O'Reilly! If only McCain would open his eyes, but it does not look like that is going to happen. Hopefully our State law that hits businesses for knowingly hiring illegals will do what the Feds refuse to do. I guess mining the border is out of the question......at least 'Sheriff Joe' is one public official on our side....

Sheriff Joe for President! I LOVE that man!

/damn, he's too smart to want it!

50 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:30:06pm

McCain admitted that the American people want the border controlled and they are angry. So I think he might be more interested in making a showing on that issue, since Obama obviously isn't interested in border control.

51 Racer X  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:30:10pm

If Obama and Hillary team up McCain is toast.

52 LoFlyer  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:30:31pm

re: #47 Dr. Shalit

Everyone -

The good Sen. McCain is the DAMAGE CONTROL CANDIDATE, nothing more, nothing less, with all due respect for his service and suffering. That is all.

-S-

You might be right! He beats hell out of what the Democrats are offering though!

53 lobo91  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:30:38pm

re: #44 LoFlyer

I have also heard some nasty rumors that McCain co-operated with NV to obtain better living conditions.

And of course, he's just faking the fact that he can't raise his arms above his shoulders as a result of the torture he received in prison, right?

If that was the deal he got for cooperating, I'd say he got seriously screwed.

54 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:30:47pm

re: #35 mean Gene

ZACTLY! Do you know how much oil is up there, the minerals report was quashed and hidden by the moonbat envionMENTALists. We would have no problems at all if we drilled our own oil and built a dozen new refineries. If there are protesters, turn them into St. Pancakes, I say. Im sick of it!

55 JHW  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:31:11pm

McCain's cell-mate, Bud Day. His bio is astonishing, I'll believe his testimony far more than the people trying to slur McCain's conduct in captivity.
Col. Bud Day

56 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:31:38pm

More bs from a deluded obamite, proclaiming that it takes 20 years to build a nuclear plant and besides its the most expensive energy solution out there.

Unbelievable. We can build nuclear powerplants as quickly as we are willing to build. Nuclear energy is expensive only when rabid antinuclear activists shut down a plant long before its amortized cost has been depreciated.

That's all we get from that side. We are the new, you are the old.

Actually, they are the socialists.

57 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:32:18pm

re: #47 Dr. Shalit

Everyone -

The good Sen. McCain is the DAMAGE CONTROL CANDIDATE, nothing more, nothing less, with all due respect for his service and suffering. That is all.

-S-

My ideal candidate has never run for the Presidency. I'll go with what I can get.

58 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:32:32pm

re: #51 Racer X

If Obama and Hillary team up McCain is toast.

Well, we already know he's milquetoast.

59 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:32:47pm

re: #46 Dar ul Harbarian

The moonbats take their vacation time to go to Northern Alsaka to commune with polar bears and caribou. Who could be so cruels as to despoil their spiritually succor?

They only think it's pristine animal habitat because they're too brain-dead to do their own research. ANWAR isn't lovely, mountainous bear and caribou habitat....it's brutally cold, FROZEN TUNDRA. A wasteland. Desert. And we need to drill an area the size of about three football fields, IIRC. Woopteefriggindo! DRILL, for the love of God!

60 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:32:57pm

re: #46 Dar ul Harbarian

My piont with the Caribou is this, The moonbats said it would harm the population, instead, the population boomed. Nice warm honeymoon suites under the pipe to rent by the hour.

61 Dr. Shalit  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:33:21pm

re: #46 Dar ul Harbarian

"D-u-H" -

Have all 'ya'all ever seen an actual picture of ANWR? It looks much like the DARK SIDE of the MOON. Trust me, the Truckers that would drive supplies up there would be in MUCH more danger than the Polar Bears or Caribou.

-S-

62 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:33:29pm

re: #57 Dar ul Harbarian

My ideal candidate has never run for the Presidency. I'll go with what I can get.

/Sorry, I'm too busy. :)

63 brickthruplateglasswindow  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:34:00pm

If the current 3 candidates are the best our system can produce, then it's pretty obvious to me at least, the current system is horribly broken.

64 Dr. Shalit  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:34:21pm

re: #52 LoFlyer

"Lo"-

Which is why I am voting for him - doesn't mean I have to like it.

-S-

65 nyc redneck  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:34:38pm

re: #30 mean Gene

Hillary says that all he has is 90% of the black vote?
That's funny since she was totally expecting to have that 90% of the black vote go her way (simply for being married to the ''first black president).

i think that whole "black president" title was very demeaning to black people. i think they're showing him that now.
if he was really for bk people, who did he put in his cabinet or high up in gov't when he was pres. he's a cracker.

66 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:34:52pm

#59-#62

OUCH!

Serves me right for forgetting my sarc tag!

67 LoFlyer  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:34:59pm

re: #49 Grammy Cracker

Sheriff Joe for President! I LOVE that man!

/damn, he's too smart to want it!

I am glad I do not live in the same county as the good Sheriff. From what I read it sounds like the county is a near police state.......I sure would not vote for him as president. He reminds me of Ross Perot.

68 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:35:19pm

re: #59 Grammy Cracker

And we need to drill an area the size of about three football fields, IIRC.

/directional drilling

69 Rancher  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:35:34pm

re: #49 Grammy Cracker
5 years as a Corrections Officer and trainer taught me one thing, Sheriff Joe Arpaio is a prophet, PBUH.

70 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:35:37pm

re: #60 CapeCoddah

My piont with the Caribou is this, The moonbats said it would harm the population, instead, the population boomed. Nice warm honeymoon suites under the pipe to rent by the hour.

Hey, Baby....do you come here often? LOLOLOL!

Caribou canoodling!

71 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:35:48pm

Got a work emergency... back in an hour or so

72 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:35:52pm

re: #61 Dr. Shalit

"D-u-H" -

Have all 'ya'all ever seen an actual picture of ANWR? It looks much like the DARK SIDE of the MOON. Trust me, the Truckers that would drive supplies up there would be in MUCH more danger than the Polar Bears or Caribou.

-S-

Neal Boortz pointed out on his show that if you take a 9 foot X 12 foot rug, and put a quarter in the middle, that's the total area of ANWR we'd drill in.

73 tradewind  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:35:56pm

I'm no McCainiac, but warts and all.....it comes down to this:
There are probably going to be two or three USSC vacancies in this next eight years, and who do you want picking 'em? Jeremiah Wright?
Seriously.
Time to quit bitchin' about McCain.... that ship has sailed, and it's going to take a lot to prevent the Dems from a triple sweep.

74 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:36:26pm

re: #63 brickthruplateglasswindow

If the current 3 candidates are the best our system can produce, then it's pretty obvious to me at least, the current system is horribly broken.

The evil of three lessers, my friend....

75 Ojoe  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:36:58pm

re: #51 Racer X

I think they despise each other too much for that.

76 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:37:12pm

re: #70 Grammy Cracker
LOLOL, But, EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.
I bet those antlers are a bitch...

77 LoFlyer  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:37:34pm

re: #64 Dr. Shalit

"Lo"-

Which is why I am voting for him - doesn't mean I have to like it.

-S-

Exactly! Our Republican leadership truly sucks. No platform except Democrat lite. Time for a drink!

78 nyc redneck  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:37:34pm

oooops, no offense to grammy for calling bill a "cracker."

79 Maximu§  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:37:47pm

My God, how did we get stuck with this GlueHorse?

80 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:38:03pm
81 Ojoe  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:38:05pm

re: #63 brickthruplateglasswindow

need new party

82 nyc redneck  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:39:05pm

re: #79 Maximu§

My God, how did we get stuck with this GlueHorse?

is he doing that badly?

83 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:39:48pm

re: #78 nyc redneck

oooops, no offense to grammy for calling bill a "cracker."

Honey, you'd have to try a LOT harder than that to offend me...but then again...I'm NOT your typical white grammy! LOL

84 tradewind  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:39:48pm

re: #79 Maximu§

Think about the political climate this election year: probably no one BUT McCain even has a shot at beating the Dem candidate.
It's gonna take a lot of Reagan Dems, and he can get them....also independents.

85 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:40:09pm

re: #73 tradewind

I'm no McCainiac, but warts and all.....it comes down to this:
There are probably going to be two or three USSC vacancies in this next eight years, and who do you want picking 'em? Jeremiah Wright?
Seriously.
Time to quit bitchin' about McCain.... that ship has sailed, and it's going to take a lot to prevent the Dems from a triple sweep.

Obama was asked by wolf Blitzed about who his fave SCOTUS justices are. He said Ginsburg and Breyer are "sensible", and Souter is okay, too, then pointed out that Souter is a "Republican".

/Yeah, OK. Very conservative guy, that Souter.

86 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:40:40pm

re: #77 LoFlyer

Exactly! Our Republican leadership truly sucks. No platform except Democrat lite. Time for a drink!

Grammy has wine.....

/just sayin'!

87 lobo91  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:40:41pm

re: #77 LoFlyer

Our Republican leadership truly sucks.

Republican leadership?

What's that?

/semi-sarc

88 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:40:41pm

re: #57 Dar ul Harbarian

My ideal candidate has never run for the Presidency.

Not true; I announced my candidacy last night.

89 Taiwan_Joe  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:41:11pm

I feel so sick, I have to vote for a liberal, a Marxist or a Communist. I feel sick to my stomach. He don't want to drill for oil while oil is 120+ per barrel.

90 VOLunteer in Arizona  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:41:47pm

re: #49 Grammy Cracker

Joe would get a good chunk of votes in AZ,but that's probably it. Duncan Hunter was my 1st choice, and he went nowhere. But I'm voting for McCain for 4 reasons: War on Islamic terrorists, Supreme Court judge selections, lower taxes, and there ain't no way I'm voting for the marxist (BHO)....even if he is a real fine orator.

91 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:41:58pm

re: #73 tradewind

I'm no McCainiac, but warts and all.....it comes down to this:
There are probably going to be two or three USSC vacancies in this next eight years, and who do you want picking 'em? Jeremiah Wright?

McCain's judicial advisor is the same guy who picked David "The Government can take your land at any time for any reason" Souter.

92 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:42:00pm

re: #81 Ojoe

need new party

Well, I just filed my affidavit to be a Republican precinct delegate again... I intend to put the PARTY back in Republican Party.

/also the spine

93 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:42:01pm

Its a little late for whining and bitching isn't it? You gotta dance with who brung ya, it's as simple as that.

94 Rancher  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:42:27pm

re: #67 LoFlyer

Police State? How so, provide links. Is it because of the chain gangs? The tents? Pink underwear? How exactly does making hard time hard constitute a police state? Maybe you’re referencing his crackdown on illegal immigrants? How does enforcing America’s democratically elected laws, enforcing our borders during a time of war, constitute a “police state”? Do you have any idea what does constitute a police state?

95 Dr. Shalit  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:42:32pm

re: #70 Grammy Cracker

"Grammy" -

As recent history has shown - discriminating Caibou prefer to Canoodle near OIL PIPES. It's warmer there.

-S-

96 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:42:35pm
97 kansas  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:42:40pm

After seeing this interview, I see Obama in a landslide. Depressing.

98 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:43:01pm

re: #84 tradewind

Think about the political climate this election year: probably no one BUT McCain even has a shot at beating the Dem candidate.

After which he'll govern like a Dem himself.

Hoo-freaking-ray.

99 LoFlyer  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:43:03pm

re: #79 Maximu§

My God, how did we get stuck with this GlueHorse?

The Florida primary was what broke open the Republican campaign. Lots of Democrats realizing their votes would be wasted for in-eligible national delegates voted for McCain as their favorite Democrat lite! Guliani crashed and burned in the worlds worst campaign and we now have McCain as the Republican candidate...This truly sux!

100 Ojoe  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:43:08pm

re: #92 Grammy Cracker

GO for it.

Party of Lincoln

101 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:44:03pm

re: #93 maddogg

Its a little late for whining and bitching isn't it? You gotta dance with who brung ya, it's as simple as that.

He didn't brung us.

102 tradewind  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:44:12pm

re: #85 Bob in Breckenridge

He also said he was going to appoint strict constructionists who would not legislate from the bench.
And I think that ' Souter-was-a-Republican' remark was dry humor, reminding us that #41 appointed the dirtbag. ' Getting Soutered' has made it into the lexicon, after all.
I can't see McCain appointing anyone who would tie the hands of our national defense, but Obama....whoah.....
Again: I didn't say I was thrilled with him, but he's who we got.
So we can dance with him through the election, or throw bricks, and watch Obama dance at the Inaugural.

103 brickthruplateglasswindow  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:44:17pm

re: #74 Grammy Cracker

The evil of three lessers, my friend....

For the future of the Republic, I'll pull the "R" lever. I can't be the only one sick of voting against, instead of voting for.

104 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:44:40pm

re: #90 VOLunteer in Arizona

Joe would get a good chunk of votes in AZ,but that's probably it. Duncan Hunter was my 1st choice, and he went nowhere. But I'm voting for McCain for 4 reasons: War on Islamic terrorists, Supreme Court judge selections, lower taxes, and there ain't no way I'm voting for the marxist (BHO)....even if he is a real fine orator.

/If I remember correctly, there was this guy in Germany a few years back with a funny little mustache who could really fire up a crowd, and for whom women would faint while listening to him speak.

105 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:45:07pm

re: #79 Maximu§

My God, how did we get stuck with this GlueHorse?

/he outplodded all the other gluehorses

106 Dr. Shalit  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:45:26pm

re: #86 Grammy Cracker

"Grammy" -

The Dr. has a GLASS - and is in. Bring the Wine.

-S-

107 LoFlyer  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:45:43pm

re: #94 Rancher

Police State? How so, provide links. Is it because of the chain gangs? The tents? Pink underwear? How exactly does making hard time hard constitute a police state? Maybe you’re referencing his crackdown on illegal immigrants? How does enforcing America’s democratically elected laws, enforcing our borders during a time of war, constitute a “police state”? Do you have any idea what does constitute a police state?

Lots of road blocks and horse patrols. I don't feel like looking for the links. When I was a kid the only time you saw a road block was when a prisoner had escaped prison. Things are a lot different nowadays....

108 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:45:49pm

re: #101 JamesTKirk

He didn't brung us.

Well alrighty then! Whine away. Should bring great results.

109 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:45:49pm

re: #90 VOLunteer in Arizona

Joe would get a good chunk of votes in AZ,but that's probably it. Duncan Hunter was my 1st choice, and he went nowhere. But I'm voting for McCain for 4 reasons: War on Islamic terrorists, Supreme Court judge selections, lower taxes, and there ain't no way I'm voting for the marxist (BHO)....even if he is a real fine orator.

I'm with you! I had the opportunity to meet Duncan Hunter last summer in Michigan - what an AWESOME and impressive man he is! I was supporting Fred Thompson, who also went nowhere fast.

I will hold my nose and throw up a little in my mouth, but I will vote for John McCain. The Beast and Obamination are not even a consideration.

110 Taiwan_Joe  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:46:08pm

re: #93 maddogg

I didn't bring him to this dance.

111 svines  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:46:28pm

TV in the other room? I wish mine was.

McCain still doesn't get it on immigration. He still believes that legalizing and making citizens out of millions of law violators will put an end to illegal immigration. It didn't in 1986 and won't today. Having worked as a Border Patrol agent during the 1986 amnesty, I can assure you the citizens of this country took it in the shorts. We are still legalizing people under the 1986 act due to activist judges in San Francisco and Los Angeles.

The amnesty along with temporary protected status still granted to El Salvadorans, Hondurans, and Guatemalans for earth quakes and hurricanes that happened in past decades is still haunting us today. We are about to allow more central Americans in under expanded programs.

We are losing our uniquely American heritage because of the mistaken belief that uncontrolled immigration is a good thing.

112 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:47:12pm
113 nyc redneck  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:47:23pm

re: #84 tradewind

Think about the political climate this election year: probably no one BUT McCain even has a shot at beating the Dem candidate.
It's gonna take a lot of Reagan Dems, and he can get them....also independents.

it seems that so many people are bamboozled by this multilayered smoke screen of non-issues, they might not go for a more conservative republican right now. unfortunately.

114 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:47:56pm

re: #95 Dr. Shalit

"Grammy" -

As recent history has shown - discriminating Caibou prefer to Canoodle near OIL PIPES. It's warmer there.

-S-

But of course! LOL And Spotted Owls like to nest in the big red 'K' of a K-mart sign!

115 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:47:57pm

re: #110 Taiwan_Joe

I didn't bring him to this dance.

/but you're going to vote for him anyway, right?

116 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:48:12pm

re: #110 Taiwan_Joe

I didn't bring him to this dance.

Doesn't matter, you came on the bus, have no other ride, and John McCain is the driver.

117 Rancher  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:48:23pm

Man I hate McCain the Senator from Arizona, the Republican candidate picked by Democrats, Independents, and the MSM. The man is a genuine hero and I harbor no more real hate for him than actual in name Democrats, but he does piss me off every time I hear him. He compares Anwar to the Everglades and the Grand Canon. “Its pristine”. Yeah, because the area we want to drill is a wasteland. There is nothing there!

118 Da_Beerfreak  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:48:31pm

re: #73 tradewind

I'm no McCainiac, but warts and all.....it comes down to this:
There are probably going to be two or three USSC vacancies in this next eight years, and who do you want picking 'em? Jeremiah Wright?
Seriously.
Time to quit bitchin' about McCain.... that ship has sailed, and it's going to take a lot to prevent the Dems from a triple sweep.

I think it's better to hold onto forty-one or more seats in the Senate and let the USSC vacancies go unfilled then to elect McCain.

119 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:48:36pm

There are too many people who have registered here who do not represent our best interests. Being overrun by moonbats and embedded mobys is not my idea of the right way to go.

If you don't believe that statement, review the comments history of many of those who spend much of their time engaged in insulting the GOP and the GOP presidential candidate.

120 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:48:38pm

re: #108 maddogg

Well alrighty then! Whine away. Should bring great results.

(1) There will no great results regardless of who wins. Accept that. Some candidates are less vile than others, but not a one of the three is good.

(2) I live in a blue state. My state will go to the Democratic candidate no matter what I do.

121 tradewind  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:49:07pm

Goodnight, Lizards, look at the bright side:
If McCain wins, he's a one term-er, and the Republican Party has four years to scrape itself up off the pavement and try to regroup with some common sense and integrity. If a Dem wins, we're out for eight, at least.....
So Go, John.
And please, don't blow the Veepstakes.

122 Dr. Shalit  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:49:27pm

re: #105 Killian Bundy

/he outplodded all the other gluehorses

"K-B" -

Speaking about my NEW PARTY - it happened this way. Open and Semi-Open Primaries with Winner Take All Rules. That is all.

-S-

123 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:50:10pm

re: #119 really grumpy big dog Johnson

There are too many people who have registered here who do not represent our best interests. Being overrun by moonbats and embedded mobys is not my idea of the right way to go.

If you don't believe that statement, review the comments history of many of those who spend much of their time engaged in insulting the GOP and the GOP presidential candidate.

We just haven't drunk the McCain koolaid.

124 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:50:42pm

re: #105 Killian Bundy

/he outplodded all the other gluehorses

And a *few* Dems crossed party lines to vote for him...like in MICHIGAN?! The Beast was the only Dem on the ballot. Elected Dem officials were BEGGING people to vote 'uncommitted' rather than Republican, but... they did it anyway. At least we're honest about Operation Chaos!

125 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:51:31pm

re: #122 Dr. Shalit

Speaking about my NEW PARTY - it happened this way. Open and Semi-Open Primaries with Winner Take All Rules. That is all.

You'd better get humping.

/the '08 cycle is almost over

126 Purple Prose  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:51:36pm

McCain, McCain, McCain. I did not love thee in the primaries. I thought thee the worst of the bunch or maybe second worst. But now, thou dost provide us with an option against that which is far worse: Obama Hussein Barack, ultraliberal, lying, opportunistic, inexperienced, unwilling-to-answer-basic-questions, questionable, Ivy League elitist, vacuum-headed Barack.

McCain, thou art the only answer.

The alternative is too empty to answer.

127 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:51:56pm

re: #106 Dr. Shalit

"Grammy" -

The Dr. has a GLASS - and is in. Bring the Wine.

-S-

Dr. S - so good to see you! Here, have some Cabernet....

128 LoFlyer  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:52:02pm

re: #111 svines

TV in the other room? I wish mine was.

McCain still doesn't get it on immigration. He still believes that legalizing and making citizens out of millions of law violators will put an end to illegal immigration. It didn't in 1986 and won't today. Having worked as a Border Patrol agent during the 1986 amnesty, I can assure you the citizens of this country took it in the shorts. We are still legalizing people under the 1986 act due to activist judges in San Francisco and Los Angeles.

The amnesty along with temporary protected status still granted to El Salvadorans, Hondurans, and Guatemalans for earth quakes and hurricanes that happened in past decades is still haunting us today. We are about to allow more central Americans in under expanded programs.

We are losing our uniquely American heritage because of the mistaken belief that uncontrolled immigration is a good thing.

Well yes, Illegal immigration is a good thing if you are looking to staff a chicken processing plant with good, cheap labor. All you have to do is hire management and supervisors that speak Spanish. Construction companies are in love with them too. Americans will do this kind of work, Many American companies just don't want to pay what Americans are demanding to support themselves.....

129 Da_Beerfreak  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:52:06pm

re: #81 Ojoe

need new party

We need another Tea Party!

130 VOLunteer in Arizona  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:52:10pm

re: #107 LoFlyer

I've been there 11 years (Maricopa County). I've never run into a roadblock. Just wondering where you are getting your info...................

131 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:52:14pm

re: #124 Grammy Cracker

There ain't no McCain Koolaid, theres McCain, and then theres the intolerable. I'll take McCain.

132 mikeinmd  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:52:19pm

re: #120 JamesTKirk

(1) There will no great results regardless of who wins. Accept that. Some candidates are less vile than others, but not a one of the three is good.

(2) I live in a blue state. My state will go to the Democratic candidate no matter what I do.

(1) Agreed 100%

(2) Same here. But I'll vote downticket and probably pull the lever for McCain. Hope he can't get anything damaging thru. Probably wishful thinking...

I need more beer.BBL.

133 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:52:43pm

re: #131 maddogg

There ain't no McCain Koolaid, theres McCain, and then theres the intolerable. I'll take McCain.

Doesn't mean that our complaints are untrue or invalid. You just don't want to see them.

134 Rancher  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:52:58pm

re: #107 LoFlyer
Would those be DWI roadblocks? I really don't mind those, I have allot of family on our roads.

135 yochanan  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:53:07pm

re: #29 Dar ul Harbarian

I saw an inversion of the Swift Boat Veterans attack on Kerry:

McCain's cell mate from Hanoi (a very highly decorated pilot) gave him huge praise.


BUD DAY is beyond highly decorated congressional medal of honor

BUD DAY is for John Mccain
AYERS is for obama

enough said

136 Globular Cluster  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:53:16pm

Waaah! I don't have a TV. Have to wait till it's on the web.

137 Yankee Division Son  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:53:17pm

Hey Charles! Are you going to put up a VE day post? It is officially celebrated on the 8th here in the US..

/I'm not holding my breath waiting for google to do a graphic..

138 Da_Beerfreak  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:53:29pm

re: #93 maddogg

Its a little late for whining and bitching isn't it? You gotta dance with who brung ya, it's as simple as that.

Fuck NO

139 tradewind  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:53:31pm

re: #118 Da_Beerfreak

Maybe so....but
a) We(R's) .... probably won't(see demographics of unchallenged D-vs.-R seats this period) , and
b), they wouldn't stay unfilled long enough.

140 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:53:46pm

re: #132 mikeinmd

(2) Same here. But I'll vote downticket and probably pull the lever for McCain. Hope he can't get anything damaging thru. Probably wishful thinking...

I need more beer.BBL.

I will vote for every Republican on the ticket except for the Presidency - because there isn't a Republican running.

141 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:53:56pm

Sorry, that last one was for James T Kirk @ 123

142 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:54:53pm

re: #111 svines

TV in the other room? I wish mine was.

McCain still doesn't get it on immigration. He still believes that legalizing and making citizens out of millions of law violators will put an end to illegal immigration. It didn't in 1986 and won't today. Having worked as a Border Patrol agent during the 1986 amnesty, I can assure you the citizens of this country took it in the shorts. We are still legalizing people under the 1986 act due to activist judges in San Francisco and Los Angeles.

The amnesty along with temporary protected status still granted to El Salvadorans, Hondurans, and Guatemalans for earth quakes and hurricanes that happened in past decades is still haunting us today. We are about to allow more central Americans in under expanded programs.

We are losing our uniquely American heritage because of the mistaken belief that uncontrolled immigration is a good thing.

The most amazing thing I heard John McCain (You know, the Senator from ARIZONA) say was when he said he didn't realize illegal immigration was such a problem until he got to Iowa for the caucuses.

143 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:54:55pm

re: #133 JamesTKirk

Doesn't mean that our complaints are untrue or invalid. You just don't want to see them.

I'm saying that complaining is pointless, thats all.

144 LoFlyer  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:55:04pm

re: #130 VOLunteer in Arizona

I've been there 11 years (Maricopa County). I've never run into a roadblock. Just wondering where you are getting your info...................

Fox news which is generally AP. If I am wrong I stand humbly corrected...

145 yochanan  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:55:47pm
146 svines  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:55:55pm

I forgot to mention that I will vote for McCain, not because he is the best. It's that he is the lesser of three evils.

For too long the Republican party has supported leftists who fail the party when it counts. The party leadership routinely supports the likes of Olympia Snowe instead of real conservatives and we get more socialist legislation passed every year.

I believe that the Republican party will spend another decade in the wilderness and the country will suffer for it. But I do not believe that all is lost, that we cannot succeed. When we finally get to the point that we no longer accept the Olympia Snowes, and we push solid conservatives into the real leadership positions we will win.

The conservative message, properly presented with fact and reason wins every argument with the left.

147 Taiwan_Joe  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:56:20pm

re: #115 Killian Bundy

/but you're going to vote for him anyway, right?

If I sit it out then that means either the Marxist or the Commie gets it. Do I have much of a choice. Who knows what will happen in the congressional elections. I feel the bile in the back of my mouth. BBIAM.

148 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:56:31pm

re: #131 maddogg

There ain't no McCain Koolaid, theres McCain, and then theres the intolerable. I'll take McCain.

The *koolaid* comment wasn't mine. I'm no fan of John McCain's domestic policies, but he IS right about the war... and if the only reason I had to vote for him was to protect our troops, I'd do it. I just don't have to pretend to like it.

149 haakondahl  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:56:38pm

re: #30 mean Gene

Hillary says that all he has is 90% of the black vote?
That's funny since she was totally expecting to have that 90% of the black vote go her way (simply for being married to the ''first black president).

Did you see where Toni Morrison, uh, extended and revised her remarks? She clarified that what she meant was that Bill Clinton got beat down like a black man, not that he, uh, qualified.

That's one MIGHTY big bus the Democrats have.

150 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:56:43pm

re: #133 JamesTKirk

Doesn't mean that our complaints are untrue or invalid.

Who said they weren't?

/the reality of the situation is what it is, who would you rather have nominating judges?

151 nyc redneck  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:56:55pm

i'm voting for him, damn it.

152 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:57:09pm

re: #123 JamesTKirk

We just haven't drunk the McCain koolaid.

Keep it up. You're doing a great job at advancing the cause of socialism. Please, like to me and tell me who you are going to vote for in November. I won't believe you, but you knew that already.

153 haakondahl  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:57:35pm

re: #123 JamesTKirk

We just haven't drunk the McCain koolaid.

Here ya go! McCain Kool-Aid is on the buffet ----------->

Refreshing!

154 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:57:53pm

re: #143 maddogg

I'm saying that complaining is pointless, thats all.

It's cathartic. In the end, most of us will do exactly what I said upthread...hold our noses, throw up a little, and vote for John McCain, because the other two are unthinkable.

155 haakondahl  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:59:12pm

re: #140 JamesTKirk

I will vote for every Republican on the ticket except for the Presidency - because there isn't a Republican running.

Phasers on STUN, eh?

156 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 5:59:58pm

re: #154 Grammy Cracker

Yes. I have a strong stomach, but not strong enough to hear President Obama on the TV every day for 4 damn years.....AAAAKKKKKKKKKKKKK!

157 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:00:41pm

For all those here who think sitting out the election is preferrable:

Think about the country with an Obama administration. Our friends overseas will not be able to trust us. Our enemies will be laughing at us, when they are not busy destroying all the good we do. Taxes will be high, judges will be nominated like hotcakes who will f*ck this country up for years. Socialism will get a leg up that might ruin this country permanently.

McCain is a jerk, and he will do some things we don't like, but he will still be beholden to the constituents that elected him. I don't think he will be nearly as bad as people think though, because it is easy to be a maverick when your the senator on the outside, but once you take the head chair you are IT, you da man, and there is no one to rebel against cuz you are the top kick. you think he is gonna rebel in the mirror in the morning?
Sobers up a man, it really does.

158 MandyManners  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:01:27pm

re: #152 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Who pissed in your Post Toasties?

159 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:02:03pm

re: #158 MandyManners

Who pissed in your Post Toasties?

ROFL!

160 LoFlyer  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:02:22pm

I have no problem with DUI road blocks except the state of Georgia univerally floods the highways DUI roadblocks during the the three major summer holidays, and they ain't looking for drunks. The locals give tickets for such infractions as driving w/out seat belts, no proof of insurance, excessive tinting of glass, children not secured in child seats. Crap like that. It is a huge cash-cow for local governments.....

161 Bulldog1967  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:02:49pm

Will be ask him about his future meeting with La Raza?

162 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:02:55pm

re: #158 MandyManners

wheaties.

Nobody eats toast posties. like grapenuts.

163 yochanan  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:03:15pm

i am really tired of the PERFECT CONSERATIVE CIRCULAR FIRING SQUADS. Get used to President Obama and the coming chaliphate.
Watch a Iranian mushroom cloud over tel aviv as President obma will do nothing to stop it.

like Bud Day I am proud to surport a true American Hero JOHN MCCAIN

164 haakondahl  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:03:18pm

re: #160 LoFlyer

I have no problem with DUI road blocks except the state of Georgia univerally floods the highways DUI roadblocks during the the three major summer holidays, and they ain't looking for drunks. The locals give tickets for such infractions as driving w/out seat belts, no proof of insurance, excessive tinting of glass, children not secured in child seats. Crap like that. It is a huge cash-cow for local governments.....

Sounds like a win-win to me.

165 sparrowlake  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:03:28pm

How about a mile deep well-fenced no-drilling wildlife sanctuary along the length of the U.S.-Mexico border, with lots of cougars, grizzlies, rattlesnakes, alligators, etc. This would solve the border security issue and still be palatable to moonbats, tree-huggers, dems and maybe even McCain.

166 brickthruplateglasswindow  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:03:32pm

Any thoughts on McCain's possible running mates?

In the interest of bi-partisanship he's so fond of, maybe he'll pick Rendell? Specter? Lieberman? Begala? Tommy Daschle?

167 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:03:42pm

re: #160 LoFlyer

I have no problem with DUI road blocks except the state of Georgia univerally floods the highways DUI roadblocks during the the three major summer holidays, and they ain't looking for drunks. The locals give tickets for such infractions as driving w/out seat belts, no proof of insurance, excessive tinting of glass, children not secured in child seats. Crap like that. It is a huge cash-cow for local governments.....

Oh, so they issue tickets for violating the law. How repressive of them.

168 svines  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:03:55pm

re: #128 LoFlyer

LF,

You are correct. My first 13 years in the patrol were spent in San Diego County. The housing boom was in full swing and the building contractors, looking for cheap labor, were dumping long time citizens for Mexicans who would work for 5-7 dollars an hour. Not having to pay the going rate of 20-25 dollars per hour made many of them very rich indeed.

After the amnesty of 1986, the same contractors were hit with strikes from their new laborers who now wanted 25-30 dollars and hour. Guess who was called to help then? The Border Patrol. We generally didn't respond, even when these same laborers began to destroy houses they were working on in protest of not getting their way.

It's not like we couldn't find plenty of new arrestees every day. They were pouring across the border hourly and the Mayor and all of the Democrats were very happy.

169 lawhawk  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:04:01pm

re: #142 Bob in Breckenridge

I was just in AZ, and they're not liking the fact that the borders are a sieve, to say nothing of the fact that the border control is taking place other than at the border.

170 bellamags  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:04:09pm

Dick Morris is on Hannity. I love Dick. He is so weasely and shrewd.

171 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:05:15pm

re: #158 MandyManners

Who pissed in your Post Toasties?

Ms. Manners, anyone who expends all his/her criticism complaining about a Republican candidate and party that doesn't meet his/her needs is campaigning for a Democrat as president and a House and Senate controlled by Democrats.

If that doesn't make you want to piss in somebody's wheaties, you aren't anything like me.

172 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:05:29pm

re: #163 yochanan

I agree that he is a hero.

I just get frustrated listening to some of the things he says sometimes, and I think to myself,

OH COME ON G-D DAMMIT GROW UP.

Like this deal with the NC GOP ads. When you bend over backwards to please your enemy all you get is kicked in the teeth.

173 bellamags  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:05:41pm

And he totally makes Alan look stupid all the time. Come to think of it, a lot of guests can make Alan look stupid.

174 haakondahl  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:06:13pm

re: #163 yochanan

i am really tired of the PERFECT CONSERATIVE CIRCULAR FIRING SQUADS. Get used to President Obama and the coming chaliphate.
Watch a Iranian mushroom cloud over tel aviv as President obma will do nothing to stop it.

like Bud Day I am proud to surport a true American Hero JOHN MCCAIN

"I could pound my tiny fist,
and say I wasn't wrong,
but what's the point in arguing,
when you're all alone?"

--TMBG

Ideological purity is a comfort to the dying. It's also what killed them.

175 Globular Cluster  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:06:24pm

re: #163 yochanan

i am really tired of the PERFECT CONSERATIVE CIRCULAR FIRING SQUADS. Get used to President Obama and the coming chaliphate.
Watch a Iranian mushroom cloud over tel aviv as President obma will do nothing to stop it.

like Bud Day I am proud to surport a true American Hero JOHN MCCAIN

Well said. Agree completely.

176 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:06:36pm

re: #166 brickthruplateglasswindow

Any thoughts on McCain's possible running mates?

In the interest of bi-partisanship he's so fond of, maybe he'll pick Rendell? Specter? Lieberman? Begala? Tommy Daschle?

I pray it's either Romney or Fred.

177 Taiwan_Joe  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:06:38pm

re: #157 sojerofgod

For all those here who think sitting out the election is preferrable:

Think about the country with an Obama administration. Our friends overseas will not be able to trust us. Our enemies will be laughing at us, when they are not busy destroying all the good we do. Taxes will be high, judges will be nominated like hotcakes who will f*ck this country up for years. Socialism will get a leg up that might ruin this country permanently.

McCain is a jerk, and he will do some things we don't like, but he will still be beholden to the constituents that elected him. I don't think he will be nearly as bad as people think though, because it is easy to be a maverick when your the senator on the outside, but once you take the head chair you are IT, you da man, and there is no one to rebel against cuz you are the top kick. you think he is gonna rebel in the mirror in the morning?
Sobers up a man, it really does.

I really hope you are right. Maybe this was all because of his loss in 2000 primaries. His immigration policy absolutely pisses me off. I am trying to get my wife's paperwork down so she can come here (we have been married almost 8 years) and under his program it would only take 24 hours to get a renewable Z visa.

178 Rancher  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:07:29pm

re: #143 maddogg

I'm saying that complaining is pointless, thats all.

Not at all. I don't have to vote for McCain and can make a case for not doing so. The GOP attitude to conservatives of shut up and vote doesn’t fly. Why should I help elect McCain and guarantee we get the blame for the following mess that liberal policies will inflict on America? Judges? We couldn’t confirm Judges when we had the majority in Congress, McCain will have to compromise, as he loves to do, and what will we get? Iraq? I don’t believe either Obama or Hillary will run, who wants defeat as a legacy? They will find a reason to stay and claim they didn’t know, Bush lied. What can McCain accomplish that is conservative with Pelosi and company in charge? Nothing. But the compromises he will make, because what President wants to go down as the do nothing President, will condemn the new leftist liberal light GOP to another four or eight years out of power. Overall damage to our party and the country will be far greater. So thank you for McCain but no thanks.

179 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:08:19pm

re: #170 bellamags

Dick Morris is on Hannity. I love Dick. He is so weasely and shrewd.

/Um, uh, ok.

180 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:08:21pm

re: #166 brickthruplateglasswindow

Any thoughts on McCain's possible running mates?

In the interest of bi-partisanship he's so fond of, maybe he'll pick Rendell? Specter? Lieberman? Begala? Tommy Daschle?

Think female and/or minority, and young. The Governor of Alaska is frequently mentioned, as is Condi Rice. If he feel he must pick a minority, I hope he chooses someone like Michael Steele or J.C. Watts.

181 bellamags  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:09:20pm

re: #179 Bob in Breckenridge

lol

182 Taiwan_Joe  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:09:39pm

re: #165 sparrowlake

How about a mile deep well-fenced no-drilling wildlife sanctuary along the length of the U.S.-Mexico border, with lots of cougars, grizzlies, rattlesnakes, alligators, etc. This would solve the border security issue and still be palatable to moonbats, tree-huggers, dems and maybe even McCain.

You are an absolute genius. That is the best compromise I have ever heard.

183 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:10:07pm

re: #181 bellamags

lol

I would have found a different way to phrase that. :)

184 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:10:18pm

re: #178 Rancher

AHave you seen the approval ratings of the House and Senate? A lot of things could happen twixt now and the election.

185 tradewind  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:10:28pm

re: #157 sojerofgod

....And one last word picture:
It's January 20th, 2009..... Obama and his pastor have reconciled after a short, politically-necessitated estrangement. On the capit0l steps, the reverend Wright ...resplendent in his dashiki with the picture of Che on one side, Fidel on the other...approaches the microphone and prepares to deliver the invocation, titled ' America's Chickens'..........

186 PolarBear Horribilis  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:10:33pm

re: #43 Grammy Cracker

He actually said yesterday that he opposed legislation to drill on the continental shelf and in ANWAR because he's a federalist! He believes individual states should make these determinations for themselves. Hah!

Are there any Alaskan Lizards? I'd love to get their input. Wanna bet what percentage of Alaska residents are in favor of drilling in ANWAR? Can you say JOBS?

I've been an Alaskan resident for 40 years, and I don't personally know anyone up here who is opposed to drilling ANWR. Doing so would be nowhere near the big 'loss of pristine virginity' that the Greenies make it out to be. If you ever worked up on the North Slope you'd see what I mean. There's a virtual ARMY of private, State and Federal inspectors working up there who watch your every move. Just taking a leak out on the tundra, or feeding any wildlife, will cost you your job, etc. etc. There's literally thousands of strict rules to follow, regarding keeping the environment clean and pure.

The extremely tiny footprint of projected construction on ANWR would cause almost zero impact on the environment. This made-up flap isn't about the environment, it's about shutting down the USA by restricting the country from using it's own natural resources.

--Gotta go run some errands; love to have a long discourse on this subject when I get back.

187 bellamags  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:10:50pm

re: #180 Grammy Cracker

Condi would be cool. Do you think she will do it?

188 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:10:53pm

re: #177 Taiwan_Joe

Heh,

I hope I am right too.

I would be worried sick about this but I just can't. I got too many other things to be worried sick about. I vote, do my part, then trust to the Lord and get on with life.

Obama scares me. I really, really think that if he got elected he would use the power of the office to harm his opponents. With the MSM compliant he would get away with it, too.
People joke about Ft. Marcy park and the Klintons killing people, but this guy runs with people who actually TRIED to blow people up. That's a true believer if you ask me.

189 Globular Cluster  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:10:58pm

re: #163 yochanan

i am really tired of the PERFECT CONSERATIVE CIRCULAR FIRING SQUADS. Get used to President Obama and the coming chaliphate.
Watch a Iranian mushroom cloud over tel aviv as President obma will do nothing to stop it.

like Bud Day I am proud to surport a true American Hero JOHN MCCAIN

The funny thing is that Reagan, Bush Sr., and Dubya were not the perfect conservatives people make them out to be. Reagan gave Amnesty to 3 million illegals and his record against militant Islam sucked. He pulled the Marines out of Lebanon after the barracks bombing and gave arms to the Iranians to get Hizballah to release hostages. Bush Sr. promised not to raise taxes and did. Dubya, well, swinging swords with Saudis, not good on illegal immigration, spends money like a drunken sailor.

Here's the rub: none of those Presidents are assaulted by conservatives like John McCain. The dislike some conservatives have for him is personal, not rational, and certainly not fair.

190 LoFlyer  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:11:00pm

re: #167 CyanSnowHawk

Oh, so they issue tickets for violating the law. How repressive of them.

Five years ago, I hit a road block and could not find my insurance card. First of all, I had not committed a crime, my car was insured. I produced some expired insurance cards but could not find the current one. The trooper explained he would of given me a warning but the local county wasn't giving him any slack in the matter. Cost me 60 bucks after I sent in my valid insurance card. I resent safety "check points" and governments that regard me as free and involuntary source of easy revenue at little expense....

191 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:11:01pm

If McCain isn't conservative enough for some of you, I'd expect many more complaints about Obama and Hillary that McCain.

You want somebody conservative like YOU? I say that if you use that argument that you won't vote for McCain and post endlessly about it here, you are a duplicitous asshole that wants to see our country run into the ground.

I know who you'll vote for.

192 tradewind  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:12:18pm

re: #188 sojerofgod

Unrepentant people, who wish they had blown up more.
Quote, unquote.

193 nyc redneck  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:12:43pm

re: #180 Grammy Cracker

Think female and/or minority, and young. The Governor of Alaska is frequently mentioned, as is Condi Rice. If he feel he must pick a minority, I hope he chooses someone like Michael Steele or J.C. Watts.

i heard j.c. watts on hannity the other day and he was way too accommodating, understanding and non-judgmental of barrack, it was strange.

194 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:12:48pm

Oh well, off to watch "Caddyshack" with my nephew. BBl.

195 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:12:59pm

re: #171 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Ms. Manners, anyone who expends all his/her criticism complaining about a Republican candidate and party that doesn't meet his/her needs is campaigning for a Democrat as president and a House and Senate controlled by Democrats.

(1) I fail to see how my voting for Republicans for Congress, as I have repeatedly stated I would do, is going to enable Democrats to keep control. Now you're just ranting or making things up.

(2) It took Bill and Hillary Clinton to give Congress to the Republicans in the first place, and it took George W Bush to give Congress back to the Democrats. Remember that.

196 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:13:01pm

Vote McCain for the sake of Israel, if for nothing else. Israel's enemies are praying for an Obama victory and preparing a coordinated "from the river to the sea" attack after the inauguration, I can smell it.

/because they all know Obama won't lift a finger to defend or provide material support to Israel, there's a good reason Hamas endorses him

197 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:13:18pm

re: #187 bellamags

Condi would be cool. Do you think she will do it?

No.

/she wants to be the Commissioner of the NFL...HUGE football fan, that Condi!

198 haakondahl  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:13:29pm

re: #178 Rancher

Not at all. I don't have to vote for McCain and can make a case for not doing so. The GOP attitude to conservatives of shut up and vote doesn’t fly. Why should I help elect McCain and guarantee we get the blame for the following mess that liberal policies will inflict on America? Judges? We couldn’t confirm Judges when we had the majority in Congress, McCain will have to compromise, as he loves to do, and what will we get? Iraq? I don’t believe either Obama or Hillary will run, who wants defeat as a legacy? They will find a reason to stay and claim they didn’t know, Bush lied. What can McCain accomplish that is conservative with Pelosi and company in charge? Nothing. But the compromises he will make, because what President wants to go down as the do nothing President, will condemn the new leftist liberal light GOP to another four or eight years out of power. Overall damage to our party and the country will be far greater. So thank you for McCain but no thanks.

Ah, you're eyeballing the old Win-By-Losing strategy. BRILLIANT! Thanks to you, when our cities are glowing craters, we'll be able to make bumper stickers that say "Well at least the Republicans aren't to blame!"
Ideological purity kills.

199 BBev  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:13:58pm

re: #128 LoFlyer

Well yes, Illegal immigration is a good thing if you are looking to staff a chicken processing plant with good, cheap labor. All you have to do is hire management and supervisors that speak Spanish. Construction companies are in love with them too. Americans will do this kind of work, Many American companies just don't want to pay what Americans are demanding to support themselves.....

Maybe some construction company's will but I will never hire a company that uses illegal labor and I don't care how much money I will save.

200 haakondahl  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:14:35pm

re: #187 bellamags

Condi would be cool. Do you think she will do it?

Condi is a damned disaster. J. C. Watts stands on his own merits.

201 mean Gene  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:14:51pm

re: #196 Killian Bundy

Vote McCain for the sake of Israel, if for nothing else. Israel's enemies are praying for an Obama victory and preparing a coordinated "from the river to the sea" attack after the inauguration, I can smell it.

/because they all know Obama won't lift a finger to defend or provide material support to Israel, there's a good reason Hamas endorses him

Good point.

202 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:14:54pm

re: #178 Rancher

And when Obama and the dem congress ban rifles and handguns what you gonna do? stand on your obstinacy until the cops come one day and shoot you down like a dog for not surrendering them? They did that to the guy in Australia who was the model for the "Crocodile Dundee" character. Don't think it can't happen here, look at Woodrow Wilson. He jailed political opponents and got smooth away with it.
I don't like McCain: I'm a Fred head. But I'm not ready to commit suicide either.

203 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:15:03pm

“Going over the cliff, flags flying, is still going over the cliff.”

/Ronald Wilson Reagan

204 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:15:18pm

Obama is like one of those huge gas filled Macy's parade balloons, all form and no substance. Stick a pin in him and he will deflate into a formless mass.

205 Thanos  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:15:23pm

Vote for McCain for the sake of your grandchildren, he's the only candidate who is pro nuclear energy.

206 MandyManners  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:15:23pm

Got my GAZE function going full blast lest I post something I'll regret.

207 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:15:26pm

re: #158 MandyManners

re: #152 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Who pissed in your Post Toasties?

I'll piss in them. The GOP has been hijacked by socialists posing as "compassionate conservatives". Voting for McCain and getting him elected is not going to accomplish a thing except slow down the inevitable advance toward a full-blown socialist America. Government bureaucracy and meddling in citizens' lives will increase, regardless of which party holds the majority. Conservatives may vote for McCain, but they sure as hell don't have to like it.

208 Globular Cluster  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:15:39pm

re: #203 Killian Bundy

“Going over the cliff, flags flying, is still going over the cliff.”

/Ronald Wilson Reagan

...and what was his 11th commandment?

209 Devil's Advocate  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:15:54pm

All restrictions on Drilling should be removed this summer. "It would be a nice thing to do."

210 lawhawk  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:16:04pm

re: #189 Globular Cluster

Here's the rub: none of those Presidents are assaulted by conservatives like John McCain. The dislike some conservatives have for him is personal, not rational, and certainly not fair.

I think Conservatives dislike McCain because he appears to go out of his way to screw them.

Reagan's greatest failing was not taking the 83 barracks bombing seriously enough and prosecuting a war against Hizbullah and its terror masters in Tehran. Bush 41 lied about taxes (and made a muddle of the ME peace conference). Bush 43 has gotten tired of trying to defend the Bush Doctrine after 9/11.

McCain's failings are far more destructive - he made it his quest to destroy and undermine the 1st Amendment, followed by open borders, and then back-door dealing on judicial picks with the Gang of 14 instead of holding the line to get all of Bush appointees before the Senate to be heard.

211 nyc redneck  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:16:17pm

re: #204 maddogg

Obama is like one of those huge gas filled Macy's parade balloons, all form and no substance. Stick a pin in him and he will deflate into a formless mass.

and hurt someone who will sue the city. (for millions)

212 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:16:22pm

re: #56 really grumpy big dog Johnson

More bs from a deluded obamite, proclaiming that it takes 20 years to build a nuclear plant and besides its the most expensive energy solution out there.

Unbelievable. We can build nuclear powerplants as quickly as we are willing to build. Nuclear energy is expensive only when rabid antinuclear activists shut down a plant long before its amortized cost has been depreciated.

That's all we get from that side. We are the new, you are the old.

Actually, they are the socialists.

Or when the enviromnentalists sue for 20 years, meaning the company has to pay interest on the money to build the plant long before they can actually build it.
The environmentalists should have to pay back what they cost the company.

213 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:16:37pm

re: #192 tradewind
exactly.

And he lay down with that dog 20 years ago. He's got a lot of fleas on him that aren't going anywhere.

214 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:16:50pm

re: #191 really grumpy big dog Johnson

If McCain isn't conservative enough for some of you, I'd expect many more complaints about Obama and Hillary that McCain.

Why bother? Most of us are in agreement about Obama and Hillary. What's the point of an endless thread of "me too"s? McCain, on the other hand, is the subject of some rather strenuous differences of opinion, and that's why he's the one being discussed.

This isn't rocket science.

I know who you'll vote for.

My decision is made. If you assume that I am lying, then you are merely being insulting.

215 Syrah  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:17:10pm

Given the choice to vote for bad, terrible or awful, I will vote for McCain.

216 LoFlyer  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:17:38pm

re: #199 BBev

Maybe some construction company's will but I will never hire a company that uses illegal labor and I don't care how much money I will save.

We had a study come out about six months ago that 51 percent of the Hispanics in Georgia were illegal. No one commented much on the study... No wonder I get cold looks from them when I walk into a QT wearing government ID. Never fails....

217 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:17:58pm

re: #204 maddogg

"Seig Heil to the president gasbag, Bombs away is your punishment!"
-Green day

If obama is elected we can all sing it and it'll mean something.

218 Rancher  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:18:05pm

re: #184 maddogg
Doubtful. The Dems will be in even greater control come December. I will grant you anything can happen, the Denver convention might be fun. But I'm not convinced a McCain victory would be a victory for conservatives. At all.

219 haakondahl  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:18:17pm

re: #190 LoFlyer

Five years ago, I hit a road block and could not find my insurance card. First of all, I had not committed a crime, my car was insured. I produced some expired insurance cards but could not find the current one. The trooper explained he would of given me a warning but the local county wasn't giving him any slack in the matter. Cost me 60 bucks after I sent in my valid insurance card. I resent safety "check points" and governments that regard me as free and involuntary source of easy revenue at little expense....

Then I guess you'll obey the law from now on, which in most places is phrased something like: "Shall carry proof of valid insurance..."

I hear you, but I think the lady doth protest too much.

220 Globular Cluster  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:18:32pm

re: #196 Killian Bundy

Vote McCain for the sake of Israel, if for nothing else. Israel's enemies are praying for an Obama victory and preparing a coordinated "from the river to the sea" attack after the inauguration, I can smell it.

/because they all know Obama won't lift a finger to defend or provide material support to Israel, there's a good reason Hamas endorses him

Vote McCain because he's good for America. The Israel angle, while true (he is good for Israel), only plays into the hands of David Duke/Walt and Mearsheimer types.

BTW, if Israelis could vote in this election, 73% would pull the lever for McCain, IIRC.

221 Dr. Shalit  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:18:47pm

re: #127 Grammy Cracker

"Grammy"

L'chaim!

-S-

222 irongrampa  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:19:14pm

My vote goes to McCain, of the three candidates ,I feel he's the one who will do the least amount of lasting damage to my country during his term.

223 nyc redneck  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:19:56pm

re: #218 Rancher

Doubtful. The Dems will be in even greater control come December. I will grant you anything can happen, the Denver convention might be fun. But I'm not convinced a McCain victory would be a victory for conservatives. At all.

it won't be a victory for conservatives but it will be a victory for beating back a commie w/ a moslem middle name.

224 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:19:57pm

re: #191 really grumpy big dog Johnson

If McCain isn't conservative enough for some of you, I'd expect many more complaints about Obama and Hillary that McCain.

You want somebody conservative like YOU? I say that if you use that argument that you won't vote for McCain and post endlessly about it here, you are a duplicitous asshole that wants to see our country run into the ground.

I know who you'll vote for.

I think you misunderstand some of us. It feels good to blow off steam and vent about the shortcomings of the candidate, but here's the bottom line as I see it:

I love Grandpa Cracker more than any other human being on this planet, and I disagree with him at least once a day. Or, to borrow a line from our GOP gubernatorial candidate last year, Dick DeVos, if you and I agree on everything, one of us is not necessary.

225 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:20:26pm

re: #220 Globular Cluster

BTW, if Israelis could vote in this election, 73% would pull the lever for McCain, IIRC.

Are you kidding? They can't even consistently elect pro-Israel leaders in their own country!

226 haakondahl  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:20:42pm

re: #207 Kreuzueber Halbmond

I'll piss in them. The GOP has been hijacked by socialists posing as "compassionate conservatives". Voting for McCain and getting him elected is not going to accomplish a thing except slow down the inevitable advance toward a full-blown socialist America. Government bureaucracy and meddling in citizens' lives will increase, regardless of which party holds the majority. Conservatives may vote for McCain, but they sure as hell don't have to like it.

Agreed, but since you're voting for McCain after all, don't you think that this is a delicate time to go lobbing bombs? First elect him. *Then* beat him into shape. He needs our support to get elected, and that's what he's going to get from me.

227 psyop  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:20:50pm

McCain has my vote.

228 offendi  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:21:08pm

The real question is who are the Republicans that selected this man as their nominee? He seems willing to endlessly compromise in order to become President, so the question is ego trip or national interest?

Th real harm to the country is Obama as the nominee and presumptive President. Other countries will not trust such an administration or attempt to get over on it due to his inexperience and the weakness he has shown in comparison with Clinton.

I have no doubt Israel will decide to bomb the nuclear facilities in Iran now, given Obama's likely election.

229 fsjeffrey  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:21:10pm

McCain has got to win in November.

Can anyone imagine what life would be like under the Demcrats?

I'm looking at other countries just in case.

230 Taiwan_Joe  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:21:37pm

re: #188 sojerofgod

I hear you, I told my youngest son (he is 25 and likes Obama) that as much as I despise the Clintons I would rather have her then Obama. After saying that I had to go brush my teeth and gargle.

231 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:21:41pm

re: #226 haakondahl

Agreed, but since you're voting for McCain after all, don't you think that this is a delicate time to go lobbing bombs? First elect him. *Then* beat him into shape. He needs our support to get elected, and that's what he's going to get from me.

Once he's in office, exactly what power will you hold over him to "beat him into shape"?

232 bellamags  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:21:48pm

re: #190 LoFlyer

I got pulled over for speeding one day (i know speeding is against the law but ....) The cop gave me a ticket for over $100 dollars and told me to have a nice day. As he was about to walk away I said
"You know I am a small business owner in this county and the manager I had at my shop just stole over $1,000 dollars from me. I called the police and after some investigating told me they couldn't do anything because there was no paper trail and I couldn't prove she did it intentionally."

The cop just stood there and I drove away. I don't think he understood what I was trying to say, but it made me feel better. My husband and I have had two vehicles stolen from our FRONT YARD, our shed broken into, the neighbor's dog was poisoned and the police don't give a crap. But go a few miles over the speed limit and they chase you down, flash lights at you and take your money.

Doesn't seem right.

233 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:22:22pm

re: #214 JamesTKirk

My decision is made. If you assume that I am lying, then you are merely being insulting.

You say you won't vote for McCain, and yet you won't lobby even more against Obama and Hillary. I'm not stupid, that tells me everything I need to know. Why don't you just give up if you are so unhappy? If you believe that conservative ideological purity wins presidential elections in a norman election year, you're certifiable.

234 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:22:32pm

re: #230 Taiwan_Joe

I hear you, I told my youngest son (he is 25 and likes Obama) that as much as I despise the Clintons I would rather have her then Obama. After saying that I had to go brush my teeth and gargle.

I have made the exact same statement.

235 itellu3times  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:22:51pm

re: #210 lawhawk

Yer harshing my mellow, man.

236 snowcrash  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:22:58pm

Anyone STILL laughing over the description "old glue horse"? I've been calling him a crusty old bastard but I like old glue horse better. And yes, I will vote for him and encourage anyone else to do the same.

237 LoFlyer  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:23:19pm

re: #219 haakondahl

Then I guess you'll obey the law from now on, which in most places is phrased something like: "Shall carry proof of valid insurance..."

I hear you, but I think the lady doth protest too much.


Don't think you understand. I am an American citizen. Why should I be harrased by a intrusion on my privacy while I am going about my lawful duties or pursuits. The last road block I hit was 0900 on Saturday morning. How many drunks got caught in the road block. None. How many generally law abiding citizens were pulled over to the side of the road, at least five cars. And yes I had my documentation correct!

238 Globular Cluster  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:24:00pm

re: #210 lawhawk

I think Conservatives dislike McCain because he appears to go out of his way to screw them.

Reagan's greatest failing was not taking the 83 barracks bombing seriously enough and prosecuting a war against Hizbullah and its terror masters in Tehran. Bush 41 lied about taxes (and made a muddle of the ME peace conference). Bush 43 has gotten tired of trying to defend the Bush Doctrine after 9/11.

McCain's failings are far more destructive - he made it his quest to destroy and undermine the 1st Amendment, followed by open borders, and then back-door dealing on judicial picks with the Gang of 14 instead of holding the line to get all of Bush appointees before the Senate to be heard.

I disagree that McCain has been any more destructive than the other three. McCain-Feingold is minor in comparison to arms-for-hostages and to say it "destroys" the first amendment is pure melodrama (although it wasn't a good act). McCain has promised to toe the line on reconstructionist judicial picks, mentioning Roberts and Scalia. McCain hasn't supported open borders any more that Bush Jr., whose immigration policy was disliked by Conservatives IIRC. The failure of our borders cannot be ascribed to any one President or individual. Clinton did nothing, Bush Sr. did nothing, and Reagan granted amnesty to 3 million illegals instead of sealing the border. McCain supports the fence and a sealed border. That's a good start.

239 lawhawk  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:24:08pm

re: #235 itellu3times

Mellow on then.

240 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:24:27pm

re: #229 fsjeffrey

There ARE no other countries. The rest of the west is so far down the primrose path of socialism that freedoms are a joke with sugar on it. The rest of the world is run by the same old kings potentates, poobahs satraps, warlords and tyrants. People like you and me are an inconvenience to be squashed the first time they hear a squeak.
Tienanmen Square was an object lesson of the Chinese proverb:

Kill 10 and frighten 10,000 into submission.

241 Da_Beerfreak  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:24:34pm

Fuck McCain and the MSM horse he rode in on!

Embrace the Dark Side,
vote Hillary this November.
You know you really want to.
Deep down, you KNOW we're right!

// We haz cookies...

242 haakondahl  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:24:54pm

re: #231 JamesTKirk

Once he's in office, exactly what power will you hold over him to "beat him into shape"?

More than if one of the Democrats are elected. I cannot buy into the Win-By-Losing strategy, which is the only alternative. I hope you're not proposing that I have more power to "teach the party a lesson" by electing Democrats.

243 Dr. Shalit  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:25:18pm

re: #224 Grammy Cracker

"Grammy" -

Reminds me of the old Ed Koch saying - something like, if you agree with me on 8-10 out of 12 things - Vote for Me - If you agree with 12 out of 12 -
see a Psychiatrist. Problem with Sen. McCain is that he is a 65%'er to me at best - and to paraphrase old Dzugashvili - Buy Clothespin, Put on Nose,
NO PROBLEM!

-S-

244 mean Gene  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:25:27pm

re: #239 lawhawk

Mellow on then.

nice, thanks.

245 Globular Cluster  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:26:04pm

re: #227 psyop

McCain has my vote.

He's got my money.

246 haakondahl  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:26:07pm

re: #237 LoFlyer

Don't think you understand. I am an American citizen. Why should I be harrased by a intrusion on my privacy while I am going about my lawful duties or pursuits. The last road block I hit was 0900 on Saturday morning. How many drunks got caught in the road block. None. How many generally law abiding citizens were pulled over to the side of the road, at least five cars. And yes I had my documentation correct!

Ted Bundy was also an American citizen. Give some to get some.

247 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:26:12pm
248 Rancher  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:26:27pm

re: #202 sojerofgod

Convince me Obama would even try such a thing; convince me that the current SCOTUS would uphold such a thing, even after Obama replaces a few Judges. Nice scare tactic but it doesn’t fly with me. They will undoubtedly do all kinds of stupid things like raise taxes during an economic slowdown, you don’t have to predict Armageddon to make the point of how bad they can be. What you have to do is convince me McCain won’t hold hands with Kennedy, Feingold and the rest and bipartisan us into oblivion.

249 Sparkizzy  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:26:27pm

OT, but what does JAFLAW mean?

250 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:27:01pm

Anyone have a 401(K)? Any idea what it's going to look like after Obama doubles the capital gains rate?

/oh, and you might want to take a look at Chairman Charlie's $1 trillion tax plan, you know, the one Obama won't veto

251 lawhawk  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:27:10pm

re: #238 Globular Cluster

Where in the first amendment does it talk about restrictions of political speech? It doesn't. In fact, the whole point of the first amendment was to protect political speech -the very kind of speech that McCain Feingold (and yes, passed by Congress and signed into law by Bush) cuts short in the name of campaign finance reform.

The money is still there - it's just getting spread around differently - and the influence is still there - just done differently. But the ability to run political speech at a critical time in the political cycle is cut short because McCain was spiteful.

252 JamesTKirk  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:27:12pm

re: #233 really grumpy big dog Johnson

You say you won't vote for McCain, and yet you won't lobby even more against Obama and Hillary.

Then you aren't paying attention. See the words "McCain on O'Reilly" at the top of the page? That means that this is a McCain thread. (This isn't rocket science.) Feel free to consult Clinton or Obama threads to see people venting dissatisfaction on them.

I'm not stupid, that tells me everything I need to know. Why don't you just give up if you are so unhappy? If you believe that conservative ideological purity wins presidential elections in a norman election year, you're certifiable.

I'm not stupid, but I don't know what a "norman election year" is. I have stated repeatedly that I do not support, nor will vote for, any of the candidates. If it makes you feel better, I live in a blue state where my vote for President is meaningless anyway.

253 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:27:25pm

re: #226 haakondahl

Agreed, but since you're voting for McCain after all, don't you think that this is a delicate time to go lobbing bombs? First elect him. *Then* beat him into shape. He needs our support to get elected, and that's what he's going to get from me.

The way I see it, the race doesn't get started until after the conventions. We are supporting him. He should listen to the views of his electorate and not his ego.

/tough love

254 yochanan  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:27:30pm

JOHN MCCAIN gets national secuirty, the war with islmo facism, and supporting israel.

the democrats on oil and national energy issues are totally wrong unless you want to be tied to arab oil. Taxing oil companies will mean you will get less american oil. Not drilling off shore and in alaska means you will be using more arabe oil

255 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:27:34pm

re: #241 Da_Beerfreak

Fuck McCain and the MSM horse he rode in on!

Embrace the Dark Side,
vote Hillary this November.
You know you really want to.
Deep down, you KNOW we're right!

// We haz cookies...

But, WE haz wine! Bwaaaaah!

256 Rancher  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:28:07pm

re: #220 Globular Cluster

Why will most American Jews vote Obama?

257 Syrah  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:28:45pm

re: #232 bellamags

I got pulled over for speeding one day (i know speeding is against the law but ....) The cop gave me a ticket for over $100 dollars and told me to have a nice day. As he was about to walk away I said
"You know I am a small business owner in this county and the manager I had at my shop just stole over $1,000 dollars from me. I called the police and after some investigating told me they couldn't do anything because there was no paper trail and I couldn't prove she did it intentionally."

The cop just stood there and I drove away. I don't think he understood what I was trying to say, but it made me feel better. My husband and I have had two vehicles stolen from our FRONT YARD, our shed broken into, the neighbor's dog was poisoned and the police don't give a crap. But go a few miles over the speed limit and they chase you down, flash lights at you and take your money.

Doesn't seem right.

He knew what you were talking about.

If you were able to ask him what he thought was the worse part of his job, he would probably have said something along the line of "The worst thing about being a cop is knowing that you know who the bad guy is, knowing that he knows that you know it, and both of you knowing that there isn't a damned thing that you can do about it because there isn't enough "evidence" to prosecute him with."

258 rawmuse  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:29:16pm

Reading some of these comments is distressing. I have not seen the broadcast. But, I agree with the poster who said that John is the "damage control" candidate. Unless you are one of the ones that sees some utility in things getting totally bad before they can get better, both Dem candidates are crypto candidates, neither of them can reveal what their agenda is without losing. I am not convinced we need this abject lesson at this moment in time.

259 lawhawk  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:29:25pm

re: #250 Killian Bundy

Forget your 401k. For all their talk of recession and a slowing economy, just know what will happen when the Bush tax cuts sunset and the prior rates kick back in. Massive tax hike doesn't begin to describe the situation. It will take trillions out of the economy and put it into gov't hands, where it will be squandered as only big gov't knows how.

260 sparrowlake  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:29:26pm

re: #182 Taiwan_Joe

re: #165 sparrowlake

How about a mile deep well-fenced no-drilling wildlife sanctuary along the length of the U.S.-Mexico border, with lots of cougars, grizzlies, rattlesnakes, alligators, etc. This would solve the border security issue and still be palatable to moonbats, tree-huggers, dems and maybe even McCain.


You are an absolute genius. That is the best compromise I have ever heard.

Imagine film at 11 of a drug-smuggling illegal getting mauled by a cougar - how sweet would that be? And if a cougar got shot by an illegal moonbats would call for a massive military response. /LOL.

261 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:29:34pm

re: #243 Dr. Shalit

"Grammy" -

Reminds me of the old Ed Koch saying - something like, if you agree with me on 8-10 out of 12 things - Vote for Me - If you agree with 12 out of 12 -
see a Psychiatrist. Problem with Sen. McCain is that he is a 65%'er to me at best - and to paraphrase old Dzugashvili - Buy Clothespin, Put on Nose,
NO PROBLEM!

-S-

Old Ed had a few rather wise sayings, didn't he?

262 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:29:35pm
263 Sparkizzy  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:29:40pm

re: #256 Rancher

Why will most American Jews vote Obama?

Those are the non-religious liberal Jews.

264 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:30:03pm

re: #256 Rancher

Why will most American Jews vote Obama?

Got Guilt?

265 MandyManners  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:30:29pm

re: #249 Sparkizzy

OT, but what does JAFLAW mean?

I don't know but, JAFLW stands for Just Another Four-Letter Word.

266 LoFlyer  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:30:44pm

re: #264 Grammy Cracker

Got Guilt?

You beat me to it....

267 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:31:02pm

re: #256 Rancher

Why will most American Jews vote Obama?

If Obama gets the nomination, I do think it might be the first time in 2 generations that a Democrat will NOT get 50% of the Jewish vote.

268 Sparkizzy  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:31:15pm

re: #265 MandyManners

I don't know but, JAFLW stands for Just Another Four-Letter Word.

That's what I was after. :D

269 Globular Cluster  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:31:18pm

re: #256 Rancher

Why will most American Jews vote Obama?

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

Amazingly, this year it looks like only 61% of American Jews will support Obama, which is a massive, almost unbelievable improvement.

270 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:31:25pm

re: #248 Rancher

Ok,
Nightmare scenario # 1

The weakness of the US becomes quickly apparent to our enemies: With the new administration's pullback on intellegence gathering and proactive terrorist suppression the enemy is able to mount a major attack 10 months into Obama's first term. Say, wall St. is destroyed and there are major disruptions in supply chains. His reaction is to put large sections of the country under martial law and direct the national guard to confiscate weapons in private hands under the pretext of ensuring public order. The SCOTUS wouldn't blink. Commander in Chief has the duties blah blah blah.
What do you do?

I got a whole pocket full of these.

271 haakondahl  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:31:46pm

re: #238 Globular Cluster

I disagree that McCain has been any more destructive than the other three. McCain-Feingold is minor in comparison to arms-for-hostages and to say it "destroys" the first amendment is pure melodrama (although it wasn't a good act). McCain has promised to toe the line on reconstructionist judicial picks, mentioning Roberts and Scalia. McCain hasn't supported open borders any more that Bush Jr., whose immigration policy was disliked by Conservatives IIRC. The failure of our borders cannot be ascribed to any one President or individual. Clinton did nothing, Bush Sr. did nothing, and Reagan granted amnesty to 3 million illegals instead of sealing the border. McCain supports the fence and a sealed border. That's a good start.


I want some of whatever you're smoking.

272 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:31:48pm

re: #242 haakondahl

I hope you're not proposing that I have more power to "teach the party a lesson" by electing Democrats.

That worked real well in 2006.

/gave us Pelosi

273 BBev  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:31:50pm

re: #216 LoFlyer

We had a study come out about six months ago that 51 percent of the Hispanics in Georgia were illegal. No one commented much on the study... No wonder I get cold looks from them when I walk into a QT wearing government ID. Never fails....

I've been there and have done the hard work and I will not sell out my brothers to make a buck and those that do should be fined out of business.
What can't people understand when a good roofer or framer should be paid at $25 an hour that pays taxes and supports a family against someone that lives with 5 or 6 or more guys and makes $5 an hour and pays no taxes, It just f;n pisses me off.

274 Globular Cluster  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:32:48pm

re: #271 haakondahl

I want some of whatever you're smoking.

Good argument.

275 haakondahl  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:33:40pm

re: #252 JamesTKirk

I'm not stupid, but I don't know what a "norman election year" is.


1066. Duh.

276 X-ray  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:33:51pm

Though completely illogical this is my dream.

McCain has been biding his time voting against allot of what he believes in over the last 22 years. Setting the stage to win the Presidency. Once elected he will unleash the true conservative that he really is. this is based on 2 things.

1 Some of what he says jives with conservative thought.
2 It helps me sleep at night.

277 madmax517  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:34:08pm

re: #94 Rancher

It is sort of amusing to me. Sheriff Joe gives the boys bologna sandwiches and very limited TV. Meanwhile the US govt.caters to terrorists' sensibilities at Guantanamo. The sheriff dresses the boys in pink and the NY Times goes ballistic when terrorists in Iraq have panties over their head or fake menstrual blood spilled on them. Jackass traitors at the Times should be on a friggin' chain gang themselves.

Both groups in Az. and Cuba should be transported to Alaska to work on chain gangs. I know the unions wouldn't like it, but no reason criminals couldn't work outside improving public infrastructure and such.

278 antoniojvr  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:34:28pm

Haven't seen it yet, but I just wanted to say hi to everyone! First post, after many tries to get registered :)

279 Racer X  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:35:02pm

Is this LGF or KOs?

Threatening to move away from the greatest country on the planet? Because you don't like a politician?

Newsflash: at the end of the day they are ALL politicians.

Whoever has the bong, pass it this way will ya?

280 haakondahl  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:35:33pm

re: #272 Killian Bundy

That worked real well in 2006.

/gave us Pelosi

/ Yes, but it taught the Republican party a lesson, and now we have a slate full of rock-ribbed Conservatives, yes?

281 Globular Cluster  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:35:38pm

re: #279 Racer X

Is this LGF or KOs?

Threatening to move away from the greatest country on the planet? Because you don't like a politician?

Newsflash: at the end of the day they are ALL politicians.

Whoever has the bong, pass it this way will ya?

Haakondahl has the bong.

282 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:36:03pm

re: #279 Racer X

Huh. I gave that up in the 80's

I should'a given it up in the 70's

283 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:36:05pm

re: #278 antoniojvr

Haven't seen it yet, but I just wanted to say hi to everyone! First post, after many tries to get registered :)

Hello newbe:) Been deloused yet?

284 LoFlyer  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:36:19pm

BBEV, I have run into many contractors that have learned the language, pay them nothing, and laugh all the way to bank charging retail prices with third world labor and costs....

285 yochanan  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:36:19pm

snif snif i smell MOBY

286 sparrowlake  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:36:50pm

re: #274 Globular Cluster

Good argument.

LOL Pass it over.

287 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:37:30pm

re: #270 sojerofgod

Say, wall St. is destroyed.

They have a backup plan for that now.

/although they can't prevent Dow 7000

288 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:37:34pm

re: #279 Racer X

Is this LGF or KOs?

Threatening to move away from the greatest country on the planet? Because you don't like a politician?

Newsflash: at the end of the day they are ALL politicians.

Whoever has the bong, pass it this way will ya?

You make a good point. At the end of the day they are all politicians. However, at the end of the election, the winner is the Commander in Chief. For that reason, and that reason only, I intend to vote for McCain.

289 offendi  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:37:36pm

re: #241 Da_Beerfreak

Fuck McCain and the MSM horse he rode in on!

Embrace the Dark Side,
vote Hillary this November.
You know you really want to.
Deep down, you KNOW we're right!

// We haz cookies...

Actually a valid argument. Hillary has already said she will obliterate Iran, and certainly will need to resolve some anger issues perhaps involving Bill and that stained blue dress by being pro-military action unlike talkative Barry the Messiah. She is as much a lobbyist friend as John the Maverick, and basically if elected will keep those poor democrats triangulated up the whazoo, and think of the bloodletting that will go on against those in her party that had the temerity to support Barry the Messiah. Plus you get those colorful hangers-on/hatchet men that made Bill's term such a spectacle.

Clearly McCain or Clinton will do.

290 Da_Beerfreak  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:37:37pm

re: #255 Grammy Cracker

-= DRINK =-

// {;-)™

291 BBev  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:37:41pm

re: #279 Racer X

Is this LGF or KOs?

Threatening to move away from the greatest country on the planet? Because you don't like a politician?

Newsflash: at the end of the day they are ALL politicians.

Whoever has the bong, pass it this way will ya?

I'm not done with it yet,

292 MandyManners  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:37:45pm

re: #278 antoniojvr

WELCOME!

293 The Shadow Do  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:37:51pm

Might as well weigh in on McCain. I back him unapologetically. Will be on his bandwagon. Will give him dough.

John McCain is a principled man and a patriot. He will protect and defend the Constitution. His honor tradition is to be respected.

He is exactly the right man at the right time. Ideologues of all stripes be damned to their personal prisons. Will every voter be able to tick off every check box next to their list of requirements for the perfect president? Of course not.

We can step forward with a guy who admires Theodore Roosevelt, or we can simply step in it with a radical chic Marxist admirer.

Vote Bullmoose! Vote McCain!

294 MandyManners  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:37:58pm

re: #285 yochanan

snif snif i smell MOBY

Where?

295 haakondahl  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:38:16pm

re: #281 Globular Cluster

Haakondahl has the bong.

--here--!

296 mean Gene  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:38:32pm

Man!
And I though drinking threads were fun!

297 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:38:45pm

Ok, while we are being provocative,

Do you realize that supply chain management is likely to get huge numbers of Americans killed?

Discuss....

298 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:39:07pm

re: #289 offendi


Actually a valid argument. Hillary has already said she will obliterate Iran,

You didn't actually believe that bullshit did you?

299 Dr. Shalit  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:39:23pm

re: #256 Rancher

Why will most American Jews vote Obama?

Rancher -

Plantation Mentality left over from the days of FDR, and a misguided sense of 'tikun olam (freely translated "make the world better"). It was hard enough for me to make the switch. When/where I grew up, folks with names like Goldberg, Kelly and DeMaio were raised and voted "D" as an assumption, not a choice. Things are changing, and they take time.

-S-

300 brickthruplateglasswindow  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:39:36pm

I see it this way.

McCain for sure is a slap in the face. The 'Rat nominee for sure is a kick in the nuts. Which do you really want? Well, the reasonable man pauses and replies, "Neither." But, if you're gonna get one for sure, (given the flaws in our current system) I'll take the slap, and given the opportunity will return it with a kick in the nuts. :)

301 big L  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:39:47pm

20 bgoh- yeah he is animated but in a dingy sort of way

302 Globular Cluster  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:39:59pm

re: #286 sparrowlake

LOL Pass it over.

;-)

303 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:40:20pm

Good evening, Lizards and welcome to antoniojvr.

Did not catch the interview but like him or not, McCain has my vote.

304 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:40:38pm

re: #287 Killian Bundy

I know, I was using that as an example of a pretext that Obama could use to impose martial law, with the first act being to attempt to disarm the public. If you don't think that is a cherished dream of marxist/leftists like Obama then you are crazier than I am

And That is saying something!

305 Da_Beerfreak  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:40:51pm

re: #270 sojerofgod

Does "from my cold dead fingers" ring any bells?

306 Racer X  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:41:50pm

re: #288 Nevergiveup

You make a good point. At the end of the day they are all politicians. However, at the end of the election, the winner is the Commander in Chief. For that reason, and that reason only, I intend to vote for McCain.

I hear ya loud and clear.

307 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:42:14pm

re: #305 Da_Beerfreak

Heard on my daddy's knee.

But with Obama the reply is much likelier to be, Ok, Shoot!

308 LoFlyer  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:42:23pm

re: #297 sojerofgod

Ok, while we are being provocative,

Do you realize that supply chain management is likely to get huge numbers of Americans killed?

Discuss....

What the heck are you talking about?

309 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:42:28pm

re: #273 BBev

I've been there and have done the hard work and I will not sell out my brothers to make a buck and those that do should be fined out of business.
What can't people understand when a good roofer or framer should be paid at $25 an hour that pays taxes and supports a family against someone that lives with 5 or 6 or more guys and makes $5 an hour and pays no taxes, It just f;n pisses me off.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but there are some things you might not understand unless you are the employer....

Grandpa Cracker and I have owned a manufacturing company for 20 years. We now employ a LOT of Mexican immigrants. The federal government (YOUR Federal Government) restricts what we can ask and/or do to verify legal resident status. If the applicant presents documents that appear to be forged, we are FORBIDDEN by FEDERAL LAW from demanding the applicant present additional documents.

Recently, the Social Security Administration notified us that seven of our employees were reporting income on duplicate SSNs. Two of the people they cited had worked for us for SIX YEARS. The employees were allowed 10 days to provide corrected documentation (by the FEDS), which, surprise surprise, they all did. Again, we are not allowed to take any action against these employees under threat of federal employment discrimination prosecution.

Long story short...the whole system is FUBAR, and none of us wins.

310 Racer X  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:42:31pm

re: #291 BBev

Bogart!

311 Sparkizzy  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:42:46pm

What do you guys think about "Operation Chaos"?

312 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:42:54pm

re: #304 sojerofgod

I know, I was using that as an example of a pretext that Obama could use to impose martial law, with the first act being to attempt to disarm the public. If you don't think that is a cherished dream of marxist/leftists like Obama then you are crazier than I am

And That is saying something!

/no, it's well documented from his voting record, Obama wants to take your guns away if he can

313 combatwombat  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:43:03pm

re: #133 JamesTKirk

Doesn't mean that our complaints are untrue or invalid. You just don't want to see them.

They're just inconsequential.

314 sparrowlake  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:43:19pm

re: #298 maddogg

You didn't actually believe that bullshit did you?

Alladinjackoff is at this moment shitting his leisure pants.

315 BBev  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:43:22pm

re: #284 LoFlyer

BBEV, I have run into many contractors that have learned the language, pay them nothing, and laugh all the way to bank charging retail prices with third world labor and costs....

I'm the project mgr on a large housing project and that will not happen on my watch, NEVER.

316 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:43:50pm

re: #278 antoniojvr

Haven't seen it yet, but I just wanted to say hi to everyone! First post, after many tries to get registered :)

Welcome, hatchling! Clean up your shells, and fetch a round of drinks, will ya?

/it's tradition....you'll get used to it!

317 offendi  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:43:55pm

re: #298 maddogg

The pant suit does not lie, except for sniper fire of course.

318 Rancher  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:44:07pm

re: #270 sojerofgod
It’s not that I haven’t thought of those. Here’s one for you, Pakistan’s new government will be appeasing if not collaborating with the Taliban. Obama authorizes a strike into Pakistan then actually admits to doing so in an effort to pressure better Pakistani cooperation in getting Osama. Pakistan's government falls to the Jihadists and Islamic extremists have a bomb. Still, there are checks and balances, Hillary did not succeed in her first attempt at socialized medicine but did scare enough people to give the GOP both sides of congress. For every hypothetical bad case scenario you predict I can predict the Dems screwing up so as to get us back in power. The question is, why put us back in power if we are not in any significant way different from the libs?

319 yochanan  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:44:23pm

re: #293 The Shadow Do

Might as well weigh in on McCain. I back him unapologetically. Will be on his bandwagon. Will give him dough.

John McCain is a principled man and a patriot. He will protect and defend the Constitution. His honor tradition is to be respected.

He is exactly the right man at the right time. Ideologues of all stripes be damned to their personal prisons. Will every voter be able to tick off every check box next to their list of requirements for the perfect president? Of course not.

We can step forward with a guy who admires Theodore Roosevelt, or we can simply step in it with a radical chic Marxist admirer.

Vote Bullmoose! Vote McCain!


AND I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY BULLMOOSE IN HERE.

320 Unwanted  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:44:26pm

Finally I'm a registered visitor!

321 Taiwan_Joe  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:44:37pm

re: #250 Killian Bundy

Anyone have a 401(K)? Any idea what it's going to look like after Obama doubles the capital gains rate?

/oh, and you might want to take a look at Chairman Charlie's $1 trillion tax plan, you know, the one Obama won't veto

Although I agree with the sentiment of what you said, but aren't 401K's tax deferred? I do agree that I won't like what it will do to my investment account. To me that is enough reason to not vote for Obama or Clinton and HOPE that McCain keeps his word.

There is that word of HOPE again.... DRINK!

322 bosforus  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:44:40pm

re: #313 combatwombat

nice nic
:)

323 LoFlyer  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:45:31pm

re: #311 Sparkizzy

What do you guys think about "Operation Chaos"?

If It keeps Hillary in the race and weakens the Democrat candidates then I am all for it. I really resent how Democrats through the Republican primary for McCain. Payback is a b-itch!

324 Da_Beerfreak  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:46:10pm

re: #296 mean Gene

Man!
And I though drinking threads were fun!

The very best are the drinking and food fight threads.

// -= DRINK =-
// {;-)™

325 Maine's Michael  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:46:34pm

I'm still trying to figure out if McCain's wife is good looking, or weird looking.

Anyhow, unlike Michele O., she doesn't miss opportunities to STFU.

326 The Shadow Do  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:46:37pm

re: #309 Grammy Cracker

I'm not disagreeing with you, but there are some things you might not understand unless you are the employer....

Grandpa Cracker and I have owned a manufacturing company for 20 years. We now employ a LOT of Mexican immigrants. The federal government (YOUR Federal Government) restricts what we can ask and/or do to verify legal resident status. If the applicant presents documents that appear to be forged, we are FORBIDDEN by FEDERAL LAW from demanding the applicant present additional documents.

Recently, the Social Security Administration notified us that seven of our employees were reporting income on duplicate SSNs. Two of the people they cited had worked for us for SIX YEARS. The employees were allowed 10 days to provide corrected documentation (by the FEDS), which, surprise surprise, they all did. Again, we are not allowed to take any action against these employees under threat of federal employment discrimination prosecution.

Long story short...the whole system is FUBAR, and none of us wins.

Not wishing you any distress, but you, others like you, should be heard in Congress. Believe me , I know what you say is so. FUBAR for sure.

327 bosforus  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:46:48pm

re: #311 Sparkizzy

What do you guys think about "Operation Chaos"?

As long as it gets the job done, scramble up the dems, then I'm happy.

328 LoFlyer  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:47:02pm

re: #320 Unwanted

Finally I'm a registered visitor!

Congrats and welcome aboard! While your up I'll take a beer.....

329 Rancher  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:47:42pm

re: #276 X-ray

Nice dream but:
He loves being loved by the MSM.
He loves being a Maverick, i.e. screwing his own party.
He loves being bipartisan, he loves compromise.
He loves to piss me off.

330 maddogg  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:48:05pm

Hillary is gonna fix the energy price problem with higher taxes on the oil companies. Can someone explain to me just how the hell that would help solve the high cost of energy? I mean, either I or she is frigging brain dead.

331 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:48:13pm

re: #321 Taiwan_Joe

Although I agree with the sentiment of what you said, but aren't 401K's tax deferred?

At the core, they're mostly investment accounts.

/personally, I plan on being off margin and in cash going into the election

332 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:48:18pm

re: #325 Maine's Michael

I'm still trying to figure out if McCain's wife is good looking, or weird looking.

Anyhow, unlike Michele O., she doesn't miss opportunities to STFU.

Good looking or weird? Good looking or weird? Uh- she's LOADED, RICH, --need I say more.

333 lawhawk  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:48:22pm

Well, the mask is slipping just a bit. Clinton would appear to be setting the stage to exit left. McCauliff is saying that the race would probably end before August and the convention.

McCain Obama is what it's going to be.

And with that matchup, it's clear who I'm not voting for. The one with the racist preacher, terror-sympathizing pals, terrorist associates, and whose economic model is based on Marx (either Groucho or Karl because you'll be laughing before you cry).

McCain is who I'm going to vote for. I don't like the guy. I've made that well known, but he's worlds better than Obama - the alternative that isn't so much an alternative, but from an alternative planet where capitalism is the enemy, where freedom is hated, and where hope and change are slogans to use to impose taxes and restrictions on business.

334 BBev  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:49:05pm

re: #309 Grammy Cracker

I'm not disagreeing with you, but there are some things you might not understand unless you are the employer....

Grandpa Cracker and I have owned a manufacturing company for 20 years. We now employ a LOT of Mexican immigrants. The federal government (YOUR Federal Government) restricts what we can ask and/or do to verify legal resident status. If the applicant presents documents that appear to be forged, we are FORBIDDEN by FEDERAL LAW from demanding the applicant present additional documents.

Recently, the Social Security Administration notified us that seven of our employees were reporting income on duplicate SSNs. Two of the people they cited had worked for us for SIX YEARS. The employees were allowed 10 days to provide corrected documentation (by the FEDS), which, surprise surprise, they all did. Again, we are not allowed to take any action against these employees under threat of federal employment discrimination prosecution.

Long story short...the whole system is FUBAR, and none of us wins.


I do employ people and I don't care what the law says I know when I am right, and I do understand where you are coming from.

335 Rancher  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:49:18pm

re: #299 Dr. Shalit
Well that gives me hope. :)

336 MandyManners  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:50:15pm

re: #320 Unwanted

Finally I'm a registered visitor!

No. You're a Lizard.

WELCOME!

337 yochanan  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:52:03pm

re: #332 Nevergiveup

Good looking or weird? Good looking or weird? Uh- she's LOADED, RICH, --need I say more.

OLD JEWISH SAYING IF THE BRIDE IS RICH SHE CAN SING AND DANCE

338 BBev  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:53:21pm

re: #323 LoFlyer

If It keeps Hillary in the race and weakens the Democrat candidates then I am all for it. I really resent how Democrats through the Republican primary for McCain. Payback is a b-itch!

And I will say this again, Rush got the idea from me remember all the crap I got from here ,saying and doing the same as Rush is doing now.
Do I need to post the link from LGF during the New Hampshire primary's?

339 brickthruplateglasswindow  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:53:50pm

re: #309 Grammy Cracker

I'm not disagreeing with you, but there are some things you might not understand unless you are the employer....

Grandpa Cracker and I have owned a manufacturing company for 20 years. We now employ a LOT of Mexican immigrants. The federal government (YOUR Federal Government) restricts what we can ask and/or do to verify legal resident status. If the applicant presents documents that appear to be forged, we are FORBIDDEN by FEDERAL LAW from demanding the applicant present additional documents.

Recently, the Social Security Administration notified us that seven of our employees were reporting income on duplicate SSNs. Two of the people they cited had worked for us for SIX YEARS. The employees were allowed 10 days to provide corrected documentation (by the FEDS), which, surprise surprise, they all did. Again, we are not allowed to take any action against these employees under threat of federal employment discrimination prosecution.

Long story short...the whole system is FUBAR, and none of us wins.

Just asking...surely there is something you can do to encourage those individuals of questionable origins to seek employment elsewhere, yes?

340 ContraJihadi  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:54:13pm

This has been a very depressing thread, about as depressing as the probable future for the next four years or more. Be glad that this term's supreme court will decide the D.C. 2nd Amendment case. Most likely the individual right to keep and bear will be upheld, even if with "reasonable" restrictions. Imagine what the decision of an Obama court would be. And don't go wishfully thinking that a 41 Republican Senate would let any vacancies remain. That works with the lower courts, but the supreme court is too highly visible.

That individual right is going to come in very handy.

341 Taiwan_Joe  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:56:31pm

re: #289 offendi

Actually a valid argument. Hillary has already said she will obliterate Iran, and certainly will need to resolve some anger issues perhaps involving Bill and that stained blue dress by being pro-military action unlike talkative Barry the Messiah. She is as much a lobbyist friend as John the Maverick, and basically if elected will keep those poor democrats triangulated up the whazoo, and think of the bloodletting that will go on against those in her party that had the temerity to support Barry the Messiah. Plus you get those colorful hangers-on/hatchet men that made Bill's term such a spectacle.

Clearly McCain or Clinton will do.

I never thought about it that way, but that would be entertaining. All of those super-delegates who selected the other candidate had better make sure their tax returns for the last decade was perfect, not to mention the possible investigations. HA HA. Good times for everyone. At least I know she won't pull the troops out, she is a Clinton, she lies as a politician and she wouldn't want a failure on her hands.

342 Rancher  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:56:38pm

re: #340 ContraJihadi

That individual right is going to come in very handy.


That's why it's the most important right we have.

343 wolfie  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:56:45pm

I don't expect much from McCain on the domestic front, although I think he will be vastly superior to Barack Taxandspend Obama. I even think there is a chance he will try to cut spending. His record on that is far, far, far better than Bush's.
On the so-called social issues, his record is conservative enough for me. (I am pro-life.) I like McCain's style, the lack of "preachiness," if you will.
SCOTUS? Maybe he's sincere about wanting an Alito or Roberts. Maybe we'll get a Kennedy instead. But w/ Obama, we'd be lucky to get a Ginsberg. And remember, when left-wing, truly extremist justices like Ginsberg are nominated, they get a quick pass.
As far as foreign policy goes, he's as good as anyone standing a prayer of being elected. So maybe we aren't so unlucky. We are in a war, and foreign issues trump domestic ones right now.

Barack talks moderate, but votes so far out in left field he's over the stands.
McCain talks moderate, but votes right-center.

To me it's a no-brainer.

344 Rancher  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:57:45pm

re: #341 Taiwan_Joe
She seems to have Dean and Polosi cowed.

345 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 8, 2008 6:58:41pm

re: #325 Maine's Michael

I'm still trying to figure out if McCain's wife is good looking, or weird looking.

Anyhow, unlike Michele O., she doesn't miss opportunities to STFU.

Your choices for first lady are this one, this one... or this one. You choose.

346 sparrowlake  Thu, May 8, 2008 7:00:29pm

re: #339 brickthruplateglasswindow

Just asking...surely there is something you can do to encourage those individuals of questionable origins immigration status to seek employment elsewhere, yes?

Fixed it so it wouldn't cause another evolution-ID debate.

347 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 8, 2008 7:02:26pm

re: #339 brickthruplateglasswindow

Just asking...surely there is something you can do to encourage those individuals of questionable origins to seek employment elsewhere, yes?

We only hire people if we can't PROVE they are illegal and there are no alternatives.

We have invested heavily in robotics over the last 10 years to eliminate as much of the human factor as possible. This is just one of the reasons.

348 AZinfidel  Thu, May 8, 2008 7:12:42pm

Save the ANWR!.... For later.

Let's buy all the OPEC oil now, while it's still "cheap".

Then the OPEC can go pound sand, while we access our oil that we've saved for ourselves.

We cannot allow OPEC to be the last ones standing with oil.

349 brickthruplateglasswindow  Thu, May 8, 2008 7:12:58pm

re: #347 Grammy Cracker

We only hire people if we can't PROVE they are illegal and there are no alternatives.

We have invested heavily in robotics over the last 10 years to eliminate as much of the human factor as possible. This is just one of the reasons.

That I-9 form isn't exactly the filtering tool the Feds originally purported to be is it. :( Good luck and continued fat bottom lines to you and Hubby. :)

350 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 7:15:05pm

re: #308 LoFlyerWe have cities with hundreds of thousands of people, who depend on the fact that the shelves in the grocery store stay full. Modern supply chain management means that there are no stockpiles of goods waiting to be delivered. If the chain is interrupted you have 24 hours before the shelves are bare, and maybe 3 days before hungry people start taking to the streets looking for food, and are not particular about how they get it.
As part of my Nightmare Scenario #1, you are talking about food riots in the inner cities. Barack will of course come to the rescue of his brethren. And like the Korean shopkeepers during the LA riots, the police will be told to confiscate all firearms they can, shut the gun stores and ammunition sales counters.

So to restate, supply chain management could be a disaster

351 Widow'smight  Thu, May 8, 2008 7:15:41pm

re: #343 wolfie

McCain could easily hammer Obama or Hillary and greatly improve the security of this country by explaining that ....

In 1985, the US produced 9 million barrels of oil daily, we now produce only 5. Since then we've using 30% more oil. So, 44% drop in production, 30% increase in demand spells what we have now.

There is a vast amount of energy available to this country, all we need to do is go get it. The misery many people are going through right now because of the above could have been solved when President Bush proposed drilling in Anwr and off the Coast. Senator McCain was/is against it.

Senator McCain doesn't support energy independence, he supports the Envirokozettes.

Hope I have a serious Cold/sinus problem that day, cause as Lynyrd Skynyrd says "Oooooo that smell, the smell of deaths around you".

352 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 7:17:04pm

re: #318 Rancher
Scared people will go to whatever they perceive to be a safe harbor. If the dems screw up they will vote the only other choice on the ballot. 2006 comes to mind here.

353 Da_Beerfreak  Thu, May 8, 2008 7:19:58pm

re: #350 sojerofgod

Nothing is really going to change in this county until something like that happens.

There will be no change without bloodshed.

354 svines  Thu, May 8, 2008 7:20:40pm

re: #326 The Shadow Do

Bbev,

You are correct. If you failed to accept the documents provided by the employee, you would certainly face the wrath of the government.

I am not one of those who would come after you for these "horrific" violations. The BP was too successful in prosecuting employers in California after the passing of the IRCA of 1986. We shut many businesses down that knowingly violated the employment provisions of the law.

We were later ordered not to investigate employers who violated the law, knowingly, willingly, and with fore thought. We actually stopped arresting aliens and were forced to legalize thousands who did not qualify under the law.

It was not one of the highlights of my career.

Most businesses were trying to do the right thing, but were caught up in the vagaries of the law itself. But some fully flaunted the law and were rewarded for it becasue the politicians were willing to bat for them for "campaign contributions."

355 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 7:23:46pm

re: #353 Da_Beerfreak

I pray it never happens.

356 big L  Thu, May 8, 2008 7:24:08pm

216 loflyer--what is a QT

357 Da_Beerfreak  Thu, May 8, 2008 7:27:00pm

re: #355 sojerofgod

I'm not that optimistic, the storm clouds are gathering as we speak.

The question now is when will the storm break?
//{:-(™

358 Maximu§  Thu, May 8, 2008 7:31:02pm

re: #84 tradewind

Think about the political climate this election year: probably no one BUT McCain even has a shot at beating the Dem candidate.
It's gonna take a lot of Reagan Dems, and he can get them....also independents.

Hopefully McCain picks Romney as his VP.

359 BBev  Thu, May 8, 2008 7:31:38pm

re: #348 AZinfidel

Save the ANWR!.... For later.

Let's buy all the OPEC oil now, while it's still "cheap".

Then the OPEC can go pound sand, while we access our oil that we've saved for ourselves.

We cannot allow OPEC to be the last ones standing with oil.

Dude I will be long dead before that happens.

360 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 7:33:09pm

re: #357 Da_Beerfreak
I live 30 miles outside of a major city I own land that I could til and make do. That said I doubt I would survive or my family either.
If the hordes left the city searching for food they would swarm over me like locust. probably kill and eat me too if they got the chance.
(I doubt i;d taste good, I'm a bit gamey.)
I don't care how much ammo you got, when your outnumbered 10 to 1 any fixed fortification, like your house, will be taken by force. If you flee you will lose your food supply, and starve.

So what do you do? leave the last bullets for yourself?

361 Da_Beerfreak  Thu, May 8, 2008 7:39:34pm

re: #360 sojerofgod

I live about a half mile from where the GOP will be holding their convention later this year, right on the edge of downtown St. Paul. Going down fighting is about the only option...

362 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 7:49:54pm

re: #361 Da_Beerfreak

how do you stand the snow? I could never live somewhere it was that cold for that long.

363 cookielady  Thu, May 8, 2008 7:51:25pm

re: #360 sojerofgod

Some of us have enough foresight to prepare to hold off quite a few for quite a while. Some have certain types of skills and supplies that will do pretty well when the stand-your-ground strategy is no longer viable. Some of us will survive even the nightmare scenarios.

364 Da_Beerfreak  Thu, May 8, 2008 7:55:22pm

re: #362 sojerofgod

Snow? What snow?

De Nile is not just a river in Egypt.

And a 4x4 GMC pickup helps.

Or another way to look at it is that it's five months that I don't have to mow my lawn.
// {;-)™

365 sojerofgod  Thu, May 8, 2008 8:00:09pm

re: #363 cookielady

Well, perhaps. Personally I think that unless your very lucky, or live Way the F off of the grid away from a city you are gonna get waxed. Not that I won't try to hang tough, maybe gang up with the neighbors and create our own little army, but still... the city i am near has a million people. of those 300,000 are below the poverty line. lets see, 30 miles, 300,000 thats about 30,000 per mile
They would be lined up heel to toe!

366 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 8, 2008 8:00:32pm

There's too much in this thread to comment on.

I'll just state that the assertion that the US only produces 5 million barrels a day is untrue. It's a figure pulled out of thin air. It's true that crude oil production hovers just above that, but total US oil production daily is almost 8.5 million barrels daily. The major problem is that consumption exceeds 20 million, our refineries cannot produce enough oil to meet demand, and although we have the means to take advantage of vast petroleum energy resources, we have lacked the political will to do that.

Thus the current price of oil is the ransom price we are paying today, based upon our own shortsightedness. The more we can automomize our energy consumption, the less vulnerable we are to society disruption from those who hate us beyond our shores.

[Link: tonto.eia.doe.gov...]

367 Maine's Michael  Thu, May 8, 2008 8:29:32pm

You can;t expect McCain to push drilling in ANWR before the election, imo.

368 Maine's Michael  Thu, May 8, 2008 8:44:33pm

Seizing the Northeast corner of Saudi Arabia would have have been far easier. The Saudis deserved it far ore, after 911 and their vicious export of their homegrown terror and intolerant religious screed to these and other Western shores.

It would have been easy to hold, being largely empty save foreigners who actually work the wells and pump the oil, and sent a message that we are not to be trifled with, that we need oil and do not tolerate terrorism on American soil. The rest of the oil soaked kingdoms and kleptocracies would have fallen in line, and Iran would likely have been sufficiently chastened to mind its P's and Q's and put aside any dreams of nuclear hegemony of the gulf- because WE would have been the gulf hegemon. nuclear dreams

Instead, we fought and continue to fight what is widely perceived as an inappropriate war against a buffoon who posed little direct threat to us. And what's more, we fought it with both eyes on the arab street, pussyfooting around mosques while our boys got picked off two and ten at a time by savages with AK's and a Iranian IED's.

So here we sit, the American taxpayer funding, with blood and treasure, the reconstruction of Iraq even as its oil receipts swell to bursting, and, with oil at 120 and likely to go higher, the Saudi coffers overflowing with monies to fund their intolerant religion's further expansion, while the President dances humiliating sword dances with them even as they laugh at him for having to beg them to lower prices and increase production.

But don't worry. Until his last day in office, this idiot president will keep trying to push the point of the arab spear, that is to say, the 'palestinians', into Israel's very heart. That will perhaps make the Saudis hate us a tiny bit less.

369 acapesket123  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:09:00pm

re: #368 Maine's Michael

Sorry if this comment is messed up, my Scan just started. I have no control. Just like I have no control per this election.

I cannot vote for Commander Mc Queeg at this point, I believe him to be an unhinged Narcissist who is definitely not
a Conservative, a Republican, or even a rationally sane man.
Watch that interview with BOR ( dope of all dopes) and look at McCain's eyes.
His Plate is not full of Food.

370 tacodawn  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:24:50pm

re: #330 maddogg

Hillary is gonna fix the energy price problem with higher taxes on the oil companies. Can someone explain to me just how the hell that would help solve the high cost of energy? I mean, either I or she is frigging brain dead.

You aren't frigging brain dead! She acts like a queen when she talks like this! As in total monarchy - Everybody will bow to her demands.

371 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 8, 2008 9:36:46pm
372 LEGION  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:14:22pm

re: #319 yochanan

AND I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY BULLMOOSE IN HERE.

Well like Laura Ingraham said on O'Reilly- Teddy Roosevelt was against the illegal alien invasion and abhored hyphenated Americans. He was for English as the national language and wanted unity unlike McLame. Also, there was a MUCH smaller population in the US and energy production was very ample, we didn't import much if anything so McLames conservation stand is BULL. He wants to conserve an exotic fungus rather that keep my kids warm in the winter. NUTS! Hope Romney or George Allen or Tom Tancredo is his Veep!

373 lummox  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:31:08pm

Sure was windy in here tonight.

374 trdlgmsr  Thu, May 8, 2008 10:36:54pm

re: #238 Globular Cluster

I disagree that McCain has been any more destructive than the other three. McCain-Feingold is minor in comparison to arms-for-hostages and to say it "destroys" the first amendment is pure melodrama (although it wasn't a good act). McCain has promised to toe the line on reconstructionist judicial picks, mentioning Roberts and Scalia. McCain hasn't supported open borders any more that Bush Jr., whose immigration policy was disliked by Conservatives IIRC. The failure of our borders cannot be ascribed to any one President or individual. Clinton did nothing, Bush Sr. did nothing, and Reagan granted amnesty to 3 million illegals instead of sealing the border. McCain supports the fence and a sealed border. That's a good start.

Let's see, other reports show that McCain likes Souter best. McCain supports a fence and sealed border - when? He was on O'Reilly talking about comprehensive reform again, this after speaking with La Raza and sending Senor Hernandez out pandering for Latino money for his campaign.

McCain is simply a Dem of yesteryear, as opposed to the socialists masquerading as Dems today. None of them get my vote. I refuse to vote the lesser of evils any more - it's how we got into this mess in the first place.

As someone earlier said, I want what you're smoking.....

375 Digger Dan  Thu, May 8, 2008 11:37:50pm

re: #254 yochanan

Not drilling off shore and in alaska means you will be using more arab oil

The best long-range plan is to to (Plan A) use up all the Arab oil at whatever cost, first. Then (Plan B) fall back to Canadian and off shore oil. There's enough for several hundred years.

It's a good plan!

376 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Fri, May 9, 2008 3:40:44am

re: #256 Rancher

Why will most American Jews vote Obama?

Because the People of the Book can't read the writing on the wall.

377 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Fri, May 9, 2008 3:44:35am

re: #368 Maine's Michael

I like you and I like the way you think.

I hope I'm alive to see the day when the oil fields dry up and the GFers are left scratching their heads in the middle of the desert, having done absolutely nothing to better their society, the world, or to advance beyond the 7th century.

378 bill-tb  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:17:04am

re: #350 sojerofgod

So to restate, supply chain management could be a disaster

Carter-McGovern reruns, this time -- the fatal step was connecting the USA food supply to our energy supply, biofuels. Now supply chain disruption will be fatal to many, most have few stores of food, so the pressure will build near instantaneous. If you don't have a deep stock pantry, might I suggest you begin stocking with at least a 30 day supply, preferably can goods and water, as a minimum. I was reading Jerry Pournelle a few weeks back and he was making a similar case. When the WSJ said the same, I took notice.

Oh yeah, don't forget the ammo.

Pay attention to crop yields this year, cold has a way of stopping crops from growing. Most crops remain not planted right now, it's late.

Warm is good, cold is bad. Glaciers never go away, they just go back to get more rocks.

379 happypappy11  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:47:11am

John McCain is not by any means my first choice for President, but he is far superior to the other two. I read one of the posters who mentioned if Obama chooses Hillary as his V.P.,

It isn't going to happen. Word in the Obama camp is that if he chooses her he will also have to hire a food taster.

You all may enjoy my latest blog article, it has been really well received on real clear politics, check it out.
[Link: saywhatyoureallymean.blogspot.com...]

380 Dotcoman  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:16:00am

re: #10 Dar ul Harbarian

McCain doesn't read Huffpo. That has to be worth a couple votes.

Yeah? But that's probably responsible for his position that Liberals are people and Americans too.

Which of course is a great insult to Liberals.

381 Dotcoman  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:35:44am

I think the RNC needs to do a do over and ditch McKenndy. After all Liberal Clinton supporters sabataged the RNC primaries by crossing over to vote for McKennedy in large numbers in some of those early states, thus putting McCain over the top of the other clowns and pretenders.

He's got that open borders pushing La Raza nut Juan Hernandez on his campaign staff, and he's back to pushing immigration reform. I consider that to be treason right there.

The only way that man could ever "reach out" and reconcile his differences with the Conservatives, is to fall on his sword ASAP. And yes, I do mean he should use a real sword.

Then there's the matter of his Treason against the US Military and all of the POW/ MIA's left behind in Communist Vietnam, that he committed with Senator Kerry on behalf of Bill Clinton.

John McCain treated those POW's like he did his first wife, and in spite of current and credible evidence of proof of life, he shafted those men and condemned them to death for the political expediency of Bill Clinton.

If he gets into office I have no doubt that he'll do the same to Christians and Conservatives as well every single chance he gets.

This man, much like Sen. Kerry should be tried and hung for treason, not up for ruining the United States.

382 kansas  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:49:15am

re: #379 happypappy11

John McCain is not by any means my first choice for President, but he is far superior to the other two. I read one of the posters who mentioned if Obama chooses Hillary as his V.P.,

It isn't going to happen. Word in the Obama camp is that if he chooses her he will also have to hire a food taster.


Yes, and by all means avoid riding in convertibles in Dallas.

383 SagamoreGal  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:41:15am

# 256 - Rancher
"Why will most American Jews vote Obama?"

I'm beginning to wonder if a significant percentage of liberal Jews in this country would vote for a Hitler/Roemmels ticket just as long as they had a (D) next to their name.

384 bullskin  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:03:53am

re: #10 Dar ul Harbarian

McCain doesn't read Huffpo. That has to be worth a couple votes.

Huffpo doesn't read McCain


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