Its the Joooos fault!

Sorry, that was reflexive. Terrorism of pamphleteering.

Luap Nor

This is about more than the MSM misusing the word terrorism. The real story here is how tin-pot dictatorships across the world plan to abuse the word terrorism out of all usefulness. They will proudly claim to be "anti-terrorism" on the floor of the U.N. while crushing dissent at home by re-defining "terrorism" to mean anything that threatens their rule.

I'm sure the irony of distributing anti-government literature is lost on the American left.

Anti-communist Vietnamese are one of the few minority groups the AP, and other MSM outlets, are willing to say a discouraging word about.

Have they mentioned Hezbollah's take over of Lebanon yet?

(Feeling very angry right now.)

And the drum keeps knelling.....

Going searching for a bit of good news.....gettin' buried.....

Because we all know how 19 Pamphlets hijacked 4 airplanes right. Those damn pamphlets cause so much death and destruction....pure evil terrorism.

If pamphlets cause paper cuts.
And that is terror.

What's the NYT?

For a moment I thought hell had frozen over. Then I read the article and it is just business as usual.

Well with the AP being Mostly Marxists, it's not terrorism unless it happens against one of the forms of govt' they consider legitimate and not evil, such as communism. They would be happy writing the same article about terrorism against Stalin's Russis, or Mao's China.

/Get real, anything that questions Karl (M not R) is Terrorism.

I bet they're relieved that they finally have a legitimate reason to put in to print that Americans are terrorists.

bush lied pamphlets died

re: #13 bosforus

I bet they're relieved that they finally have a legitimate reason to put in to print that Americans are terrorists.

Perfect AP logic! Americans who hand out pamphlets = terrorists!
Muslims who blow themselves up inside pizza restaurants crowded with women and children = freedom fighting warriors!

re: #6 Sharmuta

Maybe this is a good thing.

I imagine that if in Vietnam "handing out anti-Goverment pamphlets" is "Terrorism", then it would be "Terrorism" here in the U.S. too.

Logically, that would make the ISM, A.N.S.W.E.R., World Can't Wait, and the other Socialist/Terrorist-Supporting organizations and participants....TERRORISTS.

/

Interesting that the only time the media uses the word terrorism is with word American. Everyone else are militants and activists. This is BS, I notice that journalists have no desire to debate anyone on the issue....

I wonder how they would handle those guys in Vegas that hand out all those flyers for hookers?

AP/Liberal speak

murderous thug who detonates a car bomb in a crowd of civilians; activist or if they're in a generous mood, militant

Somone distributing pamphlets; terrorists

No, the way to get the AP to use the word 'terrorist' is simply to point the finger at big, bad, selfish, global-pollutin' America.

re: #17 LoFlyer

Interesting that the only time the media uses the word terrorism is with word American. Everyone else are militants and activists. This is BS, I notice that journalists have no desire to debate anyone on the issue....

Why debate, they have the style book, it says they are right.
/

New books, old books,
the leaves all piled together.

A paper blanket
is better than no blanket.

You who sleep like princes,
sheltered from the cold,

Do you know how many men in prison
cannot sleep all night?

Ho Chi Minh

Meanwhile America continues to Terrorize the Myanmar Junta by offering them food aid. It's post-colonial food imperialism, same as we tried with Kim Jong Il ...

/the depths of depravavity that terroristic nations will sink to .... such as capitalism.

/Stop Terrorizing Iranian Girls with Malibu Barbi!

Because nothing says TERROR like a piece of paper folded into thirds!

Note to Jehovah's Witnesses, stay out of Communist/Islamic shit holes, they won't tolerate your brand of terrorism.

re: #15 Sizzlack

Look, the situation is the Middle East is so complicated that who really knows who the bad guys are and who the good guys are.
Just another sentiment that I've grown to despise.

re: #24 Sizzlack

Because nothing says TERROR like a piece of paper folded into thirds!

I know 99 ways to KEEEELLL YOU with that piece of paper!
/ A..C..PHLEM..M..E..D

Israeli Prime Minister Says He Will Resign if Indicted in Corruption Probe

I'd put this right up there with bringing down Al Capone on tax evasion, but if it works, it works

re: #20 JenBee

Oragamism

The terror alert was raised to High this afternoon after homeland security pulled over van containing 1.5 tons of literature, mostly of the pamphlet variety. Airports have been closed, shipping terminals on lockdown and New York City has enacted martial law. If you see a pamphlet SAY SOMETHING!

Just like "it's only racism if White folks do it", true terrorism can only be performed if an American does it against a despotic Communist or Islamic dictatorship

re: #16 WrathofG-d

That's my point (which I didn't state very well). They already think they're living in a police state, yet continue to espouse the views of people who actually do impose a police state. It wouldn't register with them that the activities they're engaged in would be considered "terrorism" by the very people they promote.

I highly doubt we'll see any leftists crying that for these Vietnamese, dissent is patriotic, thus they are showing support for Vietnam. It's only patriotic for American leftists because it doesn't land them in jail.

re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Problem is.....if Olmert goes......Livni will probably get the job.

Its like replacing Obama with Pelosi.

re: #27 jcm

I know 99 ways to KEEEELLL YOU with that piece of paper!
/ A..C..PHLEM..M..E..D

Is this going to turn into another Chuck Norris thread?

re: #21 jcm

Why debate, they have the style book, it says they are right.
/

They call it political correctness. I call it propaganda and censorship. My nephew graduated last spring from Emory university and I had to listen to the fracken valedictorian who majored in journalism give the most Gawd-awful and self centered speach that even embaressed the dean. We have nothing but garbage for journalism nowadays from the major media....

re: #36 bosforus

Is this going to turn into another Chuck Norris thread?

Chuck don't need no stinkin' paper.....
;-P

NO

MORE

The AP is an organization that is "owned" by Left winged shitbirds.

..charges of terrorism for allegedly planning to distribute anti-government pamphlets..

Ah I see, they were probably handing out Bibles.

The AP would only pull out the "T" word if its related to Christian's.

Wait--so if pamphlets are terrorism, what are fortune cookies? THEY HIDE THE PAPER!

re: #7 TalkinKamel

Oh, they're talking about Lebanon, but trying to make it seem that it's the fault of someone other than Hizbullah, Syria and Iran.

Which means the US or Israel.

re: #37 LoFlyer

They call it political correctness. I call it propaganda and censorship. My nephew graduated last spring from Emory university and I had to listen to the fracken valedictorian who majored in journalism give the most Gawd-awful and self centered speach that even embaressed the dean. We have nothing but garbage for journalism nowadays from the major media....

Gramscian take over... no more.. no less.

Our 'dissenters' think they're so brave. Try speaking your mind in a communist country.

Oh wait, they agree with those governments, so they'd be safe. Almost as safe as they are speaking against the US government in the US.

re: #41 vxbush

Wait--so if pamphlets are terrorism, what are fortune cookies? THEY HIDE THE PAPER!

They are the equivalent of land mines. You dont know that paper is in there until you crack it open and BAM! terrorism right in your face....

stupid fortune

re: #2 coquimbojoe

Thomas Paine would beg to disagree. Common Sense dictates that all men are born free, and moreover, they are entitled to certain "unalienable rights". God bless and save the poor pamphleteers on trial by a COMMUNIST REGIME.

re: #10 jcm

If pamphlets cause paper cuts.
And that is terror.

What's the NYT?

Recently, people came to my door to give me some religious pamphlets. I screamed in terror, slammed the door, and hid under my bed. That was after I kicked them in the solar-plexis.....;-)

re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Israeli Prime Minister Says He Will Resign if Indicted in Corruption Probe

I'd put this right up there with bringing down Al Capone on tax evasion, but if it works, it works

Ah, so screwing the pooch with a wholesale mess in handling the Hizbullah War in 2006 wasn't sufficient. The failure to deal with the Palestinian rocket war against Israel wasn't sufficient. If a criminal indictment against him personally is filed, then he'll go.

I guess we have yet more evidence that the only thing he cared about was his own skin, and no more.

re: #46 ishabibble

Thomas Paine would beg to disagree. Common Sense dictates that all men are born free, and moreover, they are entitled to certain "unalienable rights". God bless and save the poor pamphleteers on trial by a COMMUNIST REGIME.

Joe was being sarcastic. Lampooning the AP.

re: #49 lawhawk

OT:

Remember when Ben Gurion lived in a two room apartment and sacrified his own personal being for the state....

Happy 60th Israel!

Their trial begins Tuesday at the People's Court in Ho Chi Minh City, Foreign Ministry spokesman Le Dung said.

The People's Court?

re: #47 song_and_dance_man

Their agenda is showing.

Good point. I didn't even realize that to the AP, pro democracy pamphlets are terrorism. I guess to the AP nothing is more dangerous.

HAH...morons

re: #48 coquimbojoe

Recently, people came to my door to give me some religious pamphlets. I screamed in terror, slammed the door, and hid under my bed. That was after I kicked them in the solar-plexis.....;-)

You go gentle, I just unload... through the door.
/

re: #23 Thanos
/Stop Terrorizing Iranian Girls with Malibu Barbi!

Yeah! You took the words right out of the Ahmedinejad's mouth!

re: #40 Maximu§

..charges of terrorism for allegedly planning to distribute anti-government pamphlets..

Ah I see, they were probably handing out Bibles.

The AP would only pull out the "T" word if its related to Christian's.

If the AP had been around in 100 AD, it would have been cheer-leading the Romans burning of the "Christian Terrorists" and selling the story as a new circus act to bring your kids to see.

And again...

Mexico's drug-fighting police chief assassinated

Edgar Eusebio Millan Gomez, the public face of Mexico's offensive against drug crime, became the highest-ranking policeman to be killed since the launch of the effort 17 months ago. His murder could give new confidence to drug cartels blamed for 6000 killings in the past 2½ years.

HOLY GRIM MILESTONE BATMAN!

And how does the Mexican Government react;

The President, Felipe Calderon, on Thursday called Mr Millan Gomez a hero and his assassination a cowardly act. He vowed to redouble efforts to crush cartels and has asked US Congress to approve a $US1.4 billion ($1.48 billion) counter-narcotics aid package for Mexico.

"Down! DOWN! Face down on the hot tarmac, scumbag! Spreadeagled! SHUT UP! I don't care if it burns! Don't f'in say another word or twitch if you want to live! Check him! Found something in his back pocket? Let's see it! Oh we got you now you f'in terrorist scum! That's a pamphlet if I ever saw one! Cuff'im!"

re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No war for Drugs! Spend money on education..not medication!

re: #52 zmdavid

The People's Court?

Dont mess with Judge Whaup Nau

re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And again...

Mexico's drug-fighting police chief assassinated

I was in Tijuana Tuesday at our office there. The people Like Calderon and think he is really trying to fix the problems with the cartels. They are not happy with the situation at all.

And what will our government do about this? My guess is squat.

Certainly the AP headline:

Vietnam to try American for Terrorism

grabs attention. But i suspect it is the charge of terrorism by the government that is issue. I don't so much blame the AP this time. Without the use of the word terrorism within the charge description the charges sound as they are - petty.

re: #40 Maximu§

..charges of terrorism for allegedly planning to distribute anti-government pamphlets..

Ah I see, they were probably handing out Bibles.

The AP would only pull out the "T" word if its related to Christian's.

Satan considers that terrorism, I'm sure. We need lots more of that kind of terrorism!

re: #10 jcm

If pamphlets cause paper cuts.
And that is terror.

What's the NYT?

An emetic.

Well I'm off to lunch. Hope I don't run in to any pamphlets, I might not return.

re: #61 coquimbojoe

I was in Tijuana Tuesday at our office there. The people Like Calderon and think he is really trying to fix the problems with the cartels. They are not happy with the situation at all.

I dont blame them. I live in San Diego and get the news and hear the stories from down there all the time. The place is a war zone. You can't trust anyone down there.

re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Israeli Prime Minister Says He Will Resign if Indicted in Corruption Probe

I'd put this right up there with bringing down Al Capone on tax evasion, but if it works, it works

I hope they get their fingers out and effing well indict him now, before its too late for Israel.

If paper products are considered terrorism, will books, magazines, etc. be banned from airliners soon? And what about that dangerous toilet paper in the lavs?

/just hold it until we land, dear.

re: #64 unrealizedviewpoint

Certainly the AP headline:

grabs attention. But i suspect it is the charge of terrorism by the government that is issue. I don't so much blame the AP this time. Without the use of the word terrorism within the charge description the charges sound as they are - petty.

I certainly do blame the AP.

Flip the tables.

San Francisco, United States -A Vietnamese National and two Vietnamese Americans will be put on trial on charges of terrorism for allegedly planning to distribute anti-government pamphlets in the United States an official said Thursday. They are being charged with distributing Mao's Little Red Book.

The AP would go Ape Shit over the above scenario and would never come close to the "T" word. The AP won't call people who target women and children terrorists. The AP only use for the "T" word is Christians handing out tracts.

re: #68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I dont blame them. I live in San Diego and get the news and hear the stories from down there all the time. The place is a war zone. You can't trust anyone down there.

No, you can't, but the tacos are great!

re: #18 Shug

I wonder how they would handle those guys in Vegas that hand out all those flyers for hookers?

Escorts, please!

re: #66 coquimbojoe

An emetic.

Save it for the purge thread.....

re: #74 jcm

Save it for the purge thread.....

Shouldn't we have a binge thread first?

New Delhi, 9 May (AKI) - India is developing nuclear submarine technology and will soon float global tenders for the construction of six conventional submarines equipped with surface-to-surface missiles, Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta said on Friday.

The submarines for which tenders would be floated could also have vertical missile launch capabilities, Mehta stated.

"The nuclear powered submarines could be equipped either with nuclear or conventional weapons, he said.

The nuclear submarine project was being developed by the Defence Research Development Organisation (DRDO), he added.

The DRDO is a network of more than 50 laboratories carrying out research to develop defence technologies.

The Indian Navy at present has 16 submarines in its fleet and is reportedly looking to lease Akula class nuclear powered submarines from Russia.

[Link: www.adnkronos.com...]

re: #75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Heck, just combine the two (language warning).

Terrorism using the methodology of paper cuts?

You must be kidding. Tell me again why I spent a year in that stinking cesspool.

re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And again...

Mexico's drug-fighting police chief assassinated

You mean theres still some people down there?

re: #74 jcm

re: #75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nice work, both of you.

re: #51 WrathofG-d

OT:

Remember when Ben Gurion lived in a two room apartment and sacrified his own personal being for the state....

Happy 60th Israel!

I visited Sde Boker 2 years ago(not sure why I never got there on other trips)- when you see pictures of where so many other world leaders retired to-places of wealth and great comfort- it tells you a lot about the kind of person Ben Gurion was.

re: #79 maddogg

You mean theres still some people down there?

One guy got the other guy.

re: #71 jcm

I certainly do blame the AP.

Flip the tables.

San Francisco, United States -A Vietnamese National and two Vietnamese Americans will be put on trial on charges of terrorism for allegedly planning to distribute anti-government pamphlets in the United States an official said Thursday. They are being charged with distributing Mao's Little Red Book.

The AP would go Ape Shit over the above scenario and would never come close to the "T" word. The AP won't call people who target women and children terrorists. The AP only use for the "T" word is Christians handing out tracts.

My point is I really think they are simply reporting the charges as the Vietnamese government has explained them. I highly doubt they consciously went out their way, as they often do, because there was no need this time. The Vietnamese did it for them.

re: #63 Ward Cleaver

And what will our government do about this? My guess is squat.

Our government already tried to do something about this a few decades ago, and we're still getting berated for it.

Just a couple of months ago a local professor initiated proceedings to strip a graduate student of his TA fellowship because he was indulging in terrorism. The word has been used over and over and over during the controversy.
His crime? He had a 9x12 frame on his desk with a collage of pictures including pix of his parents, his dog, scenery from his home, and (I shudder to say it!) a picture of his girlfriend in a shorts. There was nothing the least bit immodest about her attire.....unless you're a Wahabbi......but I'm afraid the girl was very pretty. That picture, BTW, was about 2x3 inches.
Forget honor killings and FGM! We have our own terrorism against women!

Speaking truth to power.. Vietnam commie style..

/so you want to distribute pamphlets? Do you have a permit to give out pamphlets? Were you trained at the Government Institute of Pamphlets Distribution? Are you a workers international pamphlet artist? The answer to all those questions is NO.. Mr. terrorist the people have called for you to be killed.. but we will humanely give you 50 years in labor camp.

re: #76 storagemanager

"Store" -

The Indian Navy, doing the job the British Royal Navy is no longer funded to do. -S-

Here is a link to the English version of the pamphlet:
[Link: www.viettan.org...]

The three accused are members of Viet Tan, a group dedicated to Democratic reform in Viet Nam.

re: #56 gymnast

If the AP had been around in 100 AD, it would have been cheer-leading the Romans burning of the "Christian Terrorists" and selling the story as a new circus act to bring your kids to see.

and during WW II, they would have marched the Jews to the showers for a few shekels. The AP has no shame and they have become Al Jazeera IMO.

Unfortunately, the Vietnamese government is starting its own smear campaign of fabricating stories of Viet Tan members smuggling firearms into the country for terrorism purposes, and it’s sickening to see that despite the advent of the internet, a regime controlling all media in the country can still portrait a picture of their liking regardless of any relevance for truth.

[Link: enderminh.com...]

And by spreading negative information about this story, the AP plays right into the communists' hands. Typical MSM bullshit.

re: #91 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Typical MSM bullshit.

When hasn't that been the case? I saw it first hand, and got the media version second hand. It was a mystery to me why 'we' (meaning the folks back home) weren't getting the straight scoop.

re: #92 Cap'n DOC

Somewhere along the way, journalists decided they were more comfortable being Leftists and hating America than being objective disseminators of the truth.

re: #67 bosforus

Well I'm off to lunch. Hope I don't run in to any pamphlets, I might not return.

We should all arm ourselves with one of those poles with a nail on the end.

Handing out pamphlets is terrorism?

re: #96 Carolyn

Handing out pamphlets is terrorism?

Yes, but killing Israelis is not - according to the MSM

Hey AP, go indepth, tell the whole story and print the truth - not the communist propaganda line.

Vietnamese government to bring to trial democracy activists Nguyen Quoc Quan, Somsak Khunmi and Nguyen The Vu

Nearly six months ago on November 17, 2007, security police in Saigon arrested members and supporters of Viet Tan as they were preparing to distribute leaflets promoting democracy through non-violent means. On November 19, Viet Tan issued a press release on the arrest of three members—American citizens Nguyen Quoc Quan and Leon Truong and French citizen Nguyen Thi Thanh Van—and of two supporters—Thai resident Somsak Khunmi and Vietnamese citizen Nguyen The Vu. On November 20, security police arrested a third supporter of Viet Tan, Vietnamese citizen Nguyen Viet Trung.

A full five days after Viet Tan’s statement, communist authorities publicly acknowledged the arrests. At the same time, security police pretended to find a gun in the checked baggage of two Vietnamese American tourists—Le Van Phan and Nguyen Thi Thinh—at the airport in Saigon and announced that this couple was allegedly connected with Viet Tan. In the following days and weeks, official state media accused the Viet Tan democracy activists of being “terrorists.”

The arrests by Vietnamese authorities of individuals engaging in peaceful political expression sparked strong protests from governments in the United States, France, Australia, Norway and Switzerland along with many international human rights groups including Human Rights Watch, Reporters Sans Frontieres, Committee to Protect Journalists and Rafto Foundation.

Due to international pressure, the Hanoi government was compelled to release Leon Truong on December 11 and journalist Nguyen Thi Thanh Van (whose broadcast name is Thanh Thao) on the following day. The couple who were framed with the gun and had no relation to Viet Tan were quietly released on December 11. Over four months after the arrests, authorities also released Nguyen Viet Trung on April 4, 2008. After nearly six months of detention, restrictions against visits by family members and their respective consulates, communist authorities will charge the three remaining Viet Tan democracy activists with “terrorism” in a closed-door trial on May 13. We affirm that:

%u2022 Viet Tan is committed to achieving democratic change through peaceful, non-violent means. The activities of Viet Tan’s members and supporters are consistent with this guiding mission. We reject all the fabrications and charges by the Hanoi regime.

%u2022 During their detention and heavy-handed interrogation by security police any so-called confessions by the defendants have no credibility.

%u2022 The legal system in Vietnam is entirely under the control of the Vietnamese Communist Party and all decisions by the court are pre-determined according to political considerations. Therefore, we reject the legitimacy of the trial on May 13 against the Viet Tan democracy activists.

%u2022 Viet Tan will continue to rally public opinion from inside the country and abroad to demand the immediate and unconditional release of all political prisoners held by the Hanoi regime.

wtf

re: #98 Kreuzueber Halbmond

promoting democracy through non-violent means.

I guess something like that does terrify the tyrants.