But, but he loves America and would never go against our interests......

Jimmah is a human rights crime, that is true.

Israel and the US refused to accept the right of Palestinians to form a unity government with Hamas and Fatah

Meanwhile, hamas refuses to accept that Israel has a right to exist at all, but this is lost on dhimmi carter.

I think Alouette posted this yesterday in the links and got dinged for it, heh.

How do you spell "traitor"

C-A-R-T-E-R

Where's that deranged attack rabbit when you really need him?

The only human rights crime here is the fact that Jimmy Carter was even born...

Note that this article was published yesterday on Israel's birthday.

re: #4 Diamond Bullet

I think Alouette posted this yesterday in the links and got dinged for it, heh.

All the up & down dings demonstrated interest, and maybe Charles decided it worthy of a thread.

In a just world, Jimmah would be handing out towels in a men's room at the YMCA.

The fact that the article was published on Israel's birthday confirms for me that Jimmy Carter has malevolent motives towards Israel.

Hey, Jimmuh...suppose, just for the sake of argument, that the Hamas regime agreed to Israel's right to exist, foreswore any and all violence against Israel and its citizens, and set about building a civil society within the Gaza strip.

How do you suppose the lot of the Palestinian people would change?

Just askin'....

How comy nobody decries Egypt ?

Hmmm, the way this was written: (Jimmy Carter: A Human Rights Crime) is really too close to the truth. Carter's actions, words, and deeds are indeed a human rights crime. He's shilling for terrorists at every turn, and has no problem throwing Israel under a bus (the exploding kind).

Carter's refusal to deal with the reality - that both Fatah and Hamas refuse to accept a two-state solution, and both still seek Israel's ultimate destruction is a sign of pseudorealism. He's engaging in diplomacy in fairy-tale land, with his own set of facts and logic, which is totally estranged from reality.

The reality is too grim for him to understand. Israel does not have a partner in peace. In fact, Israel faces only an existential threat from those supposed partners in peace - as their terms and conditions for even talking are to subvert Israel's security and sovereignty.

Funny how at every writing of his he slips so quickly and silently past the point at which Hama threw those guys off the roofs.....

Just in from Carters friends: Hamas takes credit form mortar death on Kfar Aza

I spent time on Kfar Aza. Too bad Carter [deleted]

re: #15 Fat Tone

How comy nobody decries Egypt ?

Because they are not Jews in a capitalistic democracy....

re: #13 Pastorius

The fact that the article was published on Israel's birthday confirms for me that Jimmy Carter has malevolent motives towards Israel.

I would think that jhimmi's constant shilling for hamas would be proof of that. That the article was published on Israel's birthday should speak to the motives of the publisher- al-guardian.

I'm not sure what is worse...
The ravings of this lunatic or the Guardian giving him a platform.

Yeah, I know, people will say I should have known he hated Israel after the "Apartheid" book. And, I did. But still, I held it in my mind as a possibility that he still really did want to try to make the situation better.

But, when you insult a person on their birthday, or a country in this case, then you confirm you merely hate that person/country.

Israel and the US refused to accept the right of Palestinians to form a unity government with Hamas and Fatah

No we didn't. You can form and reform however you like. But if you elect bloodthirsty criminals as your leaders, we have the right not to deal with them.

Jimmy Carter, a former president of the United States, is founder of The Carter Center project-syndicate.org

A wholly owned and funded franchise of Saudi Arabia.

What is so surprising and so hard to understand about Jimmy Carter.

He is easy to understand if whenever you think, see, or hear, Carter, you substitute David Duke.

Hamas won a majority of seats in the Palestinian Authority parliament in 2006.

How grand. A 'parliament', no less. They are in fact the very definition of democracy. Right.

I wonder when it will dawn on all the international do-gooders that when monsters have elections, they are likely to elect monsters.

re: #13 Pastorius

The fact that the article was published on Israel's birthday confirms for me that Jimmy Carter has malevolent motives towards Israel.

Some of you attorney folks might call it circumstantial evidence. In Carter's case with regard, the overwhelming evidence proves guilt.

By now, the fact of Dhimmi hating Jews is probably beginning to test the limits of newsworthiness for sane people. But for obvious reasons, this very fact bears repeating.

re: #10 unrealizedviewpoint

All the up & down dings demonstrated interest, and maybe Charles decided it worthy of a thread.

Yeah, I'm not complaining, just trying to give the guy/gal some credit.

The real question is, are the Saudis getting their 12 million dollars worth out of Carter?

No low, low enough. Repulsive.

The world is witnessing a terrible human rights crime in Gaza, where a million and a half human beings are being imprisoned with almost no access to the outside world.

They've got a border with Egypt as well Jimmy.

An entire population is being brutally punished.

The Hamas leadership seems to be doing alright for themselves, plus they have money left over for munitions and producing propaganda.

This gross mistreatment of the Palestinians in Gaza was escalated dramatically by Israel, with United States backing, after political candidates representing Hamas won a majority of seats in the Palestinian Authority parliament in 2006. The election was unanimously judged to be honest and fair by all international observers.

Just because they elect terrorists does not mean we have to stop treating them like terrorists. That the elections were supposedly fair just means the population support terrorists.

Israel and the US refused to accept the right of Palestinians to form a unity government with Hamas and Fatah and now, after internal strife, Hamas alone controls Gaza.

Again, the Palis are free to form whatever form of government they desire, but we are under no obligation to work with it. The fact that Gaza is now under Hamas control has infinately more to do with their stated goals and beliefs than our decision not to deal with them.

Forty-one of the 43 victorious Hamas candidates who lived in the West Bank have been imprisoned by Israel, plus an additional 10 who assumed positions in the short-lived coalition cabinet.

And again, deciding to call a terrorist a political leader does not make him any less a terrorist.

Jimmy, please just go away

Forty-one of the 43 victorious Hamas candidates who lived in the West Bank have been imprisoned by Israel, plus an additional 10 who assumed positions in the short-lived coalition cabinet

Imprisoned for no particular reason, I'm sure, other than to harass their government. Just a bunch of innocent lawmakers.

/sarc

The world is witnessing a terrible human rights crime in Gaza, where a million and a half human beings are being imprisoned with almost no access to the outside world. An entire population is being brutally punished

Damned heartless Egyptians

#21 Sharmuta,
That too.

Jimmy forgets that the Palistinians in Gaza hold the key to their jail in their own pockets. Merely acting like civilized members of the human race would make their existance far more tolerable. Gaza should be a vacation destination, but it is not because the Palis think it is their allah givin right to send rockets to explode in Iarael.
Jimmy should know that there are consequences for one's actions or non-actions. As in why Jimmy only had one term in the White House after he allowed the country to wallow in a malaise the he created.

Anyway, I already learned what the Guardian thought when they published a fawning obituary for Sheik Yassin back in 2004.

Forty-one of the 43 victorious Hamas candidates who lived in the West Bank have been imprisoned by Israel, plus an additional 10 who assumed positions in the short-lived coalition cabinet.

For minor infractions like not paying their parking tickets.

Israel and the US refused to accept the right of Palestinians to form a unity government with Hamas and Fatah and now, after internal strife

Internal strife. He must have the Sherman-Williams kind of shit.

after internal strife

Does Dhimmy mean Jihad? Or does that only describe an internal "struggle"?

re: #39 buzzsawmonkey

Hey, Jimmy, why not ask to resolve the issue through binding Arabitration?

I'll get the duct tape to bind. . . - oh, you mean the other kind of "binding."

The world is witnessing a terrible human rights crime in Gaza, where a million and a half human beings are being imprisoned with almost no access to the outside world. An entire population is being brutally punished.

I'm sure he takes Egypt to task for that "imprisonment" later in the article...

re: #11 song_and_dance_man

Jimmy Carter is a world class loon.

Don't insult noble waterfowl.

I predict Carter's support for Hamas will eventually destroy his "legacy".

re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yes, they have a border with Egypt, which Hamas promptly breached and launched an invasion into that sovereign country.

Egypt sealed the border because they didn't want Hamas thugs in their country either.

As for the rest of your fisking, spot on. Deciding to call a terrorist a political leader does not make him any less a terrorist. It's the same thing with the nonsensical claims of forming political and military wings of terror groups - they're still terrorists and their goals haven't changed. They still seek Israel's destruction.

Carter must have the ShermanSherwin-Williams kind of shit.

re: #28 Maine's Michael

when monsters have elections, they are likely to elect monsters.

An upding for that.

I wonder how many lurking loons think this applies more to flyover redstates voting pro-America or pro-Israel?

Egypt could solve the problem. Just open their borders with Gaza.

re: #36 Silhouette

Imprisoned for no particular reason, I'm sure, other than to harass their government. Just a bunch of innocent lawmakers.

/sarc

You beat me to it! Arrrrrgh!

re: #50 Ward Cleaver

Not in the eyes of the left, who continue to push his shtick.

To Gaza:

QUIT FIRING ROCKETS INTO ISRAEL.

QUIT KILLING ISRAELI FUEL TRUCK DRIVERS.

Then there wouldn't be this problem, now, would there?

Forty-one of the 43 victorious Hamas candidates who lived in the West Bank have been imprisoned by Israel, plus an additional 10 who assumed positions in the short-lived coalition cabinet.

In my opinion, they should swing from a rope.

re: #41 TimK

Jimmy forgets that the Palistinians in Gaza hold the key to their jail in their own pockets. Merely acting like civilized members of the human race would make their existance far more tolerable. Gaza should be a vacation destination, but it is not because the Palis think it is their allah givin right to send rockets to explode in Iarael.
Jimmy should know that there are consequences for one's actions or non-actions. As in why Jimmy only had one term in the White House after he allowed the country to wallow in a malaise the he created.

Why do people think that he "forgets" anything? He is a Jew hating pig who, like everyone else, holds Israel to standards, that if followed, would result in it ceasing to exist. He understands perfectly, and toes the line perfectly.

re: #41 TimK

The palestinians, if actions are taken into acount and poll results considered, are only human in the strictest biological sense.

They are in-humane in every other sense.

Their depravity and culturally inculcated hatred (lubricated by Islam) is so pervasive that is has literally smashed the instinctual human bonds of a parent for its child.

They practice child sacrifice. What more needs to be said?

re: #45 bbuck

Does Dhimmy mean Jihad? Or does that only describe an internal "struggle"?

He uses Preparation-H for his 'internal struggle'.

re: #49 song_and_dance_man

I have the perfect quote for Carters tombstone.

"I didn't know I was sick!"

How's about this one?

For Freedom-lovers, Americans, and Israelis, please piss here...

re: #50 Ward Cleaver

I predict Carter's support for Hamas will eventually destroy his "legacy".

I suspect it's already happening.

Off to the hospital to see my step-father.

Thanks again for all of the kind words and prayers....

{LGF}

re: #49 song_and_dance_man

I have the perfect quote for Carters tombstone.

"I didn't know I was sick!"

I have a better one:

"Gee it's hot down here."

Put James Earl Carter on the "No Fly" list.

Keep Billy Carter]s nutty brother out of trouble.

re: #62 Cygnus

He uses Preparation-H for his 'internal struggle'.

I was thinking more Immodium AD than Prep H.
THe kind of inner struggle he has goes to the core.

Inner struggle

heh

Fuck Carter.

re: #49 song_and_dance_man

I have the perfect quote for Carters tombstone.

"I didn't know I was sick! suck"

fixed

re: #64 loppyd

I suspect it's already happening.

Off to the hospital to see my step-father.

Thanks again for all of the kind words and prayers....

{LGF}

You bet, sweetie.

An entire population is being punished (except they're not) just for electing murderous bastards, most of whom are convicted terrorists in jail.

Jimmy Carter: A human rights crime.

At least I agree with the title.

On a recent trip through the Middle East, I attempted to gain a better understanding of the crisis. One of my visits was to Sderot, a community of about 20,000 in southern Israel that is frequently struck by rockets fired from nearby Gaza. I condemned these attacks as abominable acts of terrorism, since most of the 13 victims during the past seven years have been non-combatants.

Subsequently, I met with leaders of Hamas - a delegation from Gaza and the top officials in Damascus. I made the same condemnation to them, and urged that they declare a unilateral ceasefire or orchestrate with Israel a mutual agreement to terminate all military action in and around Gaza for an extended period.

They responded that such action by them in the past had not been reciprocated, and they reminded me that Hamas had previously insisted on a ceasefire throughout Palestine, including Gaza and the West Bank, which Israel had refused. Hamas then made a public proposal of a mutual ceasefire restricted to Gaza, which the Israelis also rejected.

Is Carter anti-semitic or just terminally stupid?

I guess he won't shut up until Israel is a smoldering crater and the islamic flag flies over the White House (January 2009 anyone?)

I think I need to become like most of the people I know, willfully ignorant, because reading about this crap day after day is just too depressing.

Then, to see the vicious infighting I have observed here, that is even worse. Some of the posts on the earlier threads sounded just like moonbats - "if you don't agree with me you are stupid and evil", on poster even said, if you teach you children about God, you are committing child abuse? WTF? Here? Never thought I would see it.

I understand that my fears sometimes are "over the top" as Noam told me the other day. No, we probably won't turn into Zimbabwe if Obama is elected. I think it will be worse...Dem congress, Dem White House, Dem Media, Dem courts....we don't stand a chance. We may not be brown-shirted out of our homes, but we will be taxed and regulated out of our homes.

Worst.President.Ever.

I saw Jimmy Carter throw Suha-kissing Hillary under the bus!

Oh the inhumanity, where Dhjimmi Carter thinks Hillary is evil but Hamas is not.

re: #74 David Simon

Is Carter anti-semitic or just terminally stupid?

One state is likely linked to the other...

re: #61 Maine's Michael

They practice child sacrifice. What more needs to be said?

(Bears repeating.)

re: #78 dr.mister

Worst.President.Ever.

To think that this piece of shit has access to CIA briefings makes my blood run cold.

re: #20 coquimbojoe

Because they are not Jews in a capitalistic democracy....

Ummm...egg zackly.

re: #4 Diamond Bullet

I think Alouette posted this yesterday in the links and got dinged for it, heh.

It's called "taking one for the team"

Heh.

The world is witnessing a terrible human rights crime in Gaza, where a million and a half human beings are being imprisoned with almost no access to the outside world. An entire population is being brutally punished.

Suha arafat could not be reached for comment as she was shopping

re: #68 Shug

Inner struggle

heh

I thought his inner struggle might be the Lemmiwinks type....

/

re: #82 Creeping Eruption
Thats truly awful.
I hope they use disinformation on him.

Carter is just trying to finish what he started. He did preside over the largest return of land to the Arabs. Gotta get those filthy Jews back into their shtetl's to make it easier to finish them off.

re: #87 song_and_dance_man

I wonder if Carter ever thought how often Carter dreamed in his younger years he would rise to the disgraceful position as America's leading thug-hugger.

re: #11 song_and_dance_man

Quit besmirching Loons. :o)

re: #77 song_and_dance_man

How about this:

"Islamists - lay wreaths here."

And below that:

"Everyone else - lay steamers here."

If you didn't notice, all of Carter's intentional malice can be seen in this paragraph:

One of my visits was to Sderot, a community of about 20,000 in southern Israel that is frequently struck by rockets fired from nearby Gaza. I condemned these attacks as abominable acts of terrorism, since most of the 13 victims during the past seven years have been non-combatants.

Where he pretends to show his humanity and understanding of some Israeli security concerns, he actually and subliminally minimizes them.

Sderot is under rocket fire constantly. Luck, or miracles, have prevented the death of hundreds, if not more.

By numbering the total victims in the many years, he attempts to prove that the attacks are inconsequential. Just 13 in 7 years.

Don't call Carter stupid. He is not. Everything this vicious anti Semite does he does with a purpose.

re: #90 ROP?LOL

* * *
Carter is a willing, eager & motivated TOOL.
He will take any bribe,
capitulate to every foe,
embrace the worst on Earth,
to sell out his country.

He is no JFK or Zell Miller.

Jimmy. Sit down. Shut up. We loved you (very little) as President. We loved it a lot more when you became an ex-President. Now, STFD and STFU. Please. Seriously, why don't you go build a house or something?

re: #48 zmdavid

Don't insult noble waterfowl.

DON'T INSULT THE CANADIAN $$

re: #97 song_and_dance_man

I've already been chastised for doing so;-?

Maybe I should have said Carter is a world class foul loon.

/You are getting killed here by the bird lobby here. Why not use "Buffoon?"

On the scale of unpleasant things that don't go away, Jimmy Carter is somewhere between herpes and athlete's foot.

re: #74 David Simon

Carter's Jew hatred completely blinds him to reason. Just like lots of members of the ROP. Never underestimate the power of raw hatred, or the intensity of an almost supernatural fear of the "other".

re: #96 amphibian

Jimmy. Sit down. Shut up. We loved you (very little) as President. We loved it a lot more when you became an ex-President. Now, STFD and STFU. Please. Seriously, why don't you go build a house or something?

* * *
To think the "smart set" & snarky Saturday Night Live elitists thought Jimmy Carter, nucular engineer, was going to be smarter and better than President Gerald Ford, the decent defender of this country who was made fun of for being less smart & perhaps having taken too many tumbles or tackles to the brain!

We continue to pay for leftists' election of this grinning death merchant Carter.

"Israeli bombs and missiles periodically strike the area"
Ya Think? Could it be a measured response to the thousands of missiles fired into Israel? Nah! Just more abuses of the poor, innocent Palestinians. To hear Jimmy tell it. Moron.

re: #82 Creeping Eruption

To think that this piece of shit has access to CIA briefings makes my blood run cold.

To the best of my knowledge, a CiC loses security clearance when he leaves office. The clearance is attached to the office of the president, not to the man.

re: #98 yochanan

Aw. The Loonie Toonie.

(REDACTED) (DELETED) SELF CENSORED DHIMMI CARTER

DHIMMI CARTER GO BE A SUB HUMAN SHIELD FOR THE HAM ASSHOLES.
maybe do something that goes well with maple syrup

were is a cat. when you need one?

I wonder what Jimmy has to say about this little Hamas statement

One wonders what level of insanity must be sustained, and over how long a period of time, to keep insisting on this nonsense.

re: #105 wolfie

To the best of my knowledge, a CiC loses security clearance when he leaves office. The clearance is attached to the office of the president, not to the man.

I sure hope you are right. I have read in a couple of places that that all past presidents (I hope I am wrong) have access to classified CIA briefings. SOMEONE PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG!

"An entire population is being brutally punished."

It's reprehensible, but it is what the Palestinians have done to themselves with an endless cycle of hate. When you poison your own children to hate so violently you doom yourself to self inflicted genocide.

The only real way to end this is to expose the truth. Mr. President Carter could go a long way toward doing something useful. Instead he has elected to perpetuate this spiral of hate either willfully or through ignorance. Either way, it doesn't matter. The end result will be the same.

the peanut brain is a guilty liberal anti semite.

much better to toss Israel under the bus for his ancestors SLAVE HOLDING CRIMES, than to look at himself.

F him and anyone related to him
the crab apples don't fall that far from the tree.

I voted for this guy. I was only 22, niave and didn't know better. I've kept this dark secret all these years. Reagon showed me the light. There isn't a day goes by that I don't feel guilty about this. To my fellow Americans and Lizards, I am truly ashamed and so sorry. Please forgive me.

re: #106 Cap'n DOC

Aw. The Loonie Toonie.

Hey, that's Canadian currency you're talking about. Loonies and toonies, that is. Our one and two dollar coins.

re: #62 Cygnus

re: #45 bbuck

Does Dhimmy mean Jihad? Or does that only describe an internal "struggle"?

He uses Preparation-H for his 'internal struggle'.

Good one.

Israel and the US refused to accept the right of Palestinians to form a unity government with Hamas and Fatah

So I guess all that tossing-people-off-rooftops business was just a quaint "unity"-related custom.

This goofy-ass screed would be hilarious if the subject weren't so deadly serious.

re: #99 Creeping Eruption

/You are getting killed here by the bird lobby here. Why not use "Buffoon?"

re: #109 song_and_dance_man

Then I would be dissing the clowns. Apparently there are no groups that want a Carter association. Well, except the thugs and their huggers.

I think Buddy G has got it:

re: #100 BuddyG

On the scale of unpleasant things that don't go away, Jimmy Carter is somewhere between herpes and athlete's foot.

I

re: #114 ROP?LOL

You're forgiven.

:>)

Me, I wonder where Jimmuh gets all his money from, and which Middle-Eastern potentates are backing him.

"Capitalism is proven to be incompatible with Democracy."

-My wife's Sociology professor

re: #20 coquimbojoe

Because they are not Jews in a capitalistic democracy....

Why no mention of Egypt in your assessment of the living conditions of Gaza, Mr. Carter?

Robert Fisk: Hizollah PR Agent

Here he is today pushing the equivocation between the US and Iran:

The sectarian background to this dangerous game is the point, of course. The street battles in Beirut are between Shia and Sunni, the first supporting the Iranian-armed Hizbollah, the second the Lebanese government, which now regularly carries the sobriquet "American-backed". In other words, the collapse of Beirut these past two days is part of the American-Iranian conflict – even though, be sure, the Americans will blame the Hizbollah for this and the Iranians will blame the Americans.

re: #79 alegrias

Hillary under the Bed!

I'm shocked. As shocked as I was by sunrise and the presence of traffic in my city. Come on, Jimmy Carter hates Israel. He was the worst President in US history and he is the worst ex-President in US history. Every week he reminds us of this fact.

If it was up to Jimmy Carter, Israel would be eradicated and its citizens would be massacred or (humanitarian that he is) forced to live like refugees as those innocent folks in Gaza do (as if anyone in that region would permit them to live). He could then calmly state it is a real shame about those Jews, but we should all move forward and set up relations with the new Hama-zbollah government, and send them aid to get started rebuilding "Palestine".

He makes me sick.

re: #119 TalkinKamel

Thank you.

To the tune of "Jesus Loves the Little Children":

Jimmy loves the Palestinians.
All the Palestinians of the world.
Tho' they 'splode Jews in the night,
They are precious in his sight.
Dhimmi Jim love Palestinians, damn right.

re: #3 Sharmuta

Meanwhile, hamas refuses to accept that Israel has a right to exist at all, but this is lost on dhimmi carter.

Dhimmi gets it, all right. He agrees with Hamas. He's a first-class anit-Semite, and probably wishes that Hitler succeeded, so he's supporting Hitler's ideological successors.

re: #11 song_and_dance_man

I disagree. He is not a loon. He is a first class Jew-hater, and the only way for him to legitimately express this derranged hatred is through this exact type of political activity. He is completely lucid, and these moves are made by him in clear conscience and with no regrets.

re: #114 ROP?LOL

I voted for this guy. I was only 22, niave and didn't know better. I've kept this dark secret all these years. Reagon showed me the light. There isn't a day goes by that I don't feel guilty about this. To my fellow Americans and Lizards, I am truly ashamed and so sorry. Please forgive me.

I'll forgive you. Will you forgive me for the same mistake?

re: #28 Maine's Michael

They won it "honestly" and "fairly" according to Jimmy.

it seems so apparent by carter's behavior that he has bought into the plan for the destruction of israel and the jewish people. how else to interpret his 10o% support of these terrorist assh*les.
his actions show what he's thinking.
he's not after peace. he wants to bring abt. the end of israel. and because he doesn't have the guts to SAY it, he is aware that such a statement it's evil and that makes him evil. (bastard)

re: #95 alegrias

He will take any bribe,
capitulate to every foe,
embrace the worst on Earth,
to sell out his country.

He is no JFK

I don't know if you were consciously or unconsciously mimicking JFK's inaugural speech, but it's a great parody of Carter.

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that I will take any bribe; capitulate to any foe; embrace the worst in any part of the Earth; sell out my country to anyone; in order to ensure the death and burial of liberty."

re: #129 Kosh's Shadow

Yes.

re: #129 Kosh's Shadow

I'll forgive you. Will you forgive me for the same mistake?

Me three. Oh the horror of it all!

Ok - this is an important point that seems to be forgotten in most debates nowadays:

Amidst strong criticism and at considerable risk, Israel has already made a grand gesture towards peace by unilaterally withdrawing from Gaza and removing its Jewish residents.

With the whole world watching, it was as if the Israelis were saying "right - here's a chunk of land. Show the world what you are made of". That very day, the Palestinians said "thank you" with a suicide bomb that murdered two 16 year old girls in an Israeli supermarket.

So, did the Palestinians use autonomy in Gaza to show the world that they are ready for statehood? No they turned it into Lord of the Flies. They murdered each other when (thanks to the security measures that Carter abhors) they couldn't murder Jews.

They had elections. They could have chosen peaceful, progressives (if such a species exists in Gaza) instead they chose the most evil, blood thirsty bastards on the ballot paper.

The use the land Israel gave them on trust to launch missiles into Israel.

Gaza is a huge, obvious, living breathing demonstration of why Israel should not give the Palestinians ANYTHING until they, themselves change. There is no better proof of the Israel case, than what the Palestinians did themselves with the Gaza opportunity. It is the final word. Undebatable. Unarguable.

Please remember - you can answer any question about "peace", "settlements" , "occupation", "the wall" and "territory" with just two syllables:
GA ZA

re: #114 ROP?LOL

I voted for this guy. I was only 22, niave and didn't know better. I've kept this dark secret all these years. Reagon showed me the light. There isn't a day goes by that I don't feel guilty about this. To my fellow Americans and Lizards, I am truly ashamed and so sorry. Please forgive me.

I feel your pain........as do many who thought he was a moderate sort of fellow.

I, too, was young and foolish. I did not vote for Jimmy, but I did not vote for Gerald Ford either. Just not good enough for me!
Like you, I have learned from my mistakes.
Are you people who aren't going to vote for McCain listening?

Birds of a feather...

re: #12 Sifty

In a just world, Jimmah would be handing out towels in scrubbing toilets in a men's room at the YMCA.

IMHO

re: #112 Loren42

"An entire population is being brutally punished."

But not the one that Carter thinks. It's the Israelis who have been brutally punished for the "sin" of existing. And if the Hamas, Fatah and other jihadi groups had their way, they would be removed of their sins on a permanent basis.

re: #33 Maine's Michael

It would certainly cost less for them to take a full page ad out with Jimmy's current article verbatim. However, he lends a nice whiff of 'credibility'...so I would say that yes-they are getting their money's worth.

re: #130 WriterMom

Hey Hamas did win it "fiarly" but that isn't the issue.

Hitler was elected "fairly" and "honestly" too...but that alone didn't mean that the Allies had to do business with him.

Same goes for Hamas.

re: #120 Pyrocles

"Capitalism is proven to be incompatible with Democracy."

-My wife's Sociology professor

What the holy heck? Captialism IS democracy. Both mean the individual decides for himself.

"Ultimately, property rights and individual rights are the same thing" - Calvin Coolidge

re: #61 Maine's Michael

A million up dings, brother.

re: #129 Kosh's Shadow

I'll forgive you. Will you forgive me for the same mistake?

that makes 3 of us, I voted for him because he claimed to believe in G-D. regreatable his was HA-SATAN.

My voting for Reagan twice is the vote I am most proud of.
I became a NATIONAL SECURITY CONS. (BULLMOOSE) after 9-11

I saw this in the AJC two days ago. The Atlanta Journalists and Communists have a historical link to Carter and socialism dating back from the '70's. Carter gives cursory coverage of the 13 Israeli civilian dead from the Sedrot bombardment and can't understand why Israel blockades the flow of essential goods from Israel to Palestine, then he has the gall to represent himself as a statesman. Most Georgian's call him a clown nowadays... Carter seems to have serious issues with western Democracy and loves evil dictators and extremist Islamic regimes. The jokes on us....

I voted for Carter back in the 70's. Was bamboozled like many. Would wake
up at 3am and want to wet my pants. Then voted for Reagan. Slept like a
log. Now, every time this Idiot crawls out of the woodwork, I have this desire
to relieve myself. Carter is a discrace.

I repeat: Why no mention of Egypt in your assessment of the living conditions in Gaza, Mr. Carter!?!?

re: #114 ROP?LOL
re: #129 Kosh's Shadow
re: #134 Nevergiveup
re: #142 song_and_dance_man

Go and sin no more! /humor Seriously, seems as if you've overcome that youthful mistake.

re: #141 WrathofG-d

Hey Hamas did win it "fiarly" but that isn't the issue.

Hitler was elected "fairly" and "honestly" too...but that alone didn't mean that the Allies had to do business with him.

Same goes for Hamas.

People forget that Hamas was running against a corrupt Fatah Party. But not only that, There was also a "reform" Fatah list running along side the "traditional" Fatah. If you added up the votes that both Fatah lines got, then Hamas would never have gotten the seats in the Palestinian Parliament that they did, nor the Office of Prime Minister. Not that it all matters, but for the sake of history, them are the facts.

re: #142 song_and_dance_man

Me four. I was 18 and a lefty (D)

Hey - remember the old saying:
'If you're not a leftie when you're 18 then you have no heart. If you're still a leftie at 30, then you have no brains.'

There ye are: heart and brains, what an excellent combination!

ech.

Its almost Shabbat, Israel just turned 60, the Jewish people are striving, G-d still loves us, we succeed in every age, we are still blessed people. B'H all is right in the world!

Carter & Hamas can try to make me feel guilty or ashamed to be a Zionist and a Jew, but they will fail.

Am Yisroel Chai!

aprox 1,000 Israeli's have been murdered by the terrorist scum, not 13. dhimmi carter can f(redacted) himself.

Woot! Woot!

re: #15 Fat Tone

How comy nobody decries Egypt ?

"Fat"

Oh yeah, EGYPT - the nation which did NOT give asylum to DARFUR REFUGEES, in fact shot a few of them dead. And to the nation that DID let them in - Happy 60th ISRAEL!

-S-

re: #130 WriterMom

They won it "honestly" and "fairly" according to Jimmy.

In which case, re: #150 Conservative in Liberal Hands

Don't worry. I'm voting for McCain. He's not perfect; he's not even great when all the issues are considered, but on security he's the best candidate by far (since Rudy dropped out)
And none of the other issues ultimately matters if the Islamists take over.

Under Dhimmi, Iran took many Americans hostages. Under Obama, they'll get the bomb and take all of America hostage.

Jimmy's directing traffic in downtown Beirut with the Green Helmut Guy.

Jimmy C.'s terrorist hagiography, Palestine:Peace Not Apartheid, is numero uno on the Canadian Islamic Congress's list of gifts you can receive for a minimun $100 donation. Here's how the CIC describes the book:

1. PALESTINE: PEACE, NOT APARTHEID (2006) by Jimmy Carter
Most U.S. writers dealing with Middle East issues have skirted around any overt criticism of Israel's Apartheid-like treatment of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Gaza, fearing accusations of "anti-Semitism" by the powerful American pro-Israeli lobby. Carter's best-selling book, however, is a rare exception.
In a recent article about his research and writing, former U.S. President and Nobel Prize winner, Jimmy Carter stated: "For the last 30 years, I have witnessed and experienced the severe restraints on any free and balanced discussion of the facts ... It would be almost politically suicidal for members of Congress to espouse a balanced position between Israel and Palestine, to suggest that Israel comply with international law or to speak in defense of justice or human rights for Palestinians."

As a further token of gratitude, the CIC will send you a map depicting its Weltaushauung (my bolds):

BONUS (given with any book) MECCA AT THE CENTRE OF THE WORLD
This new map was designed especially for the Canadian Islamic Congress by University of Waterloo (Canada) professor, Dr. Len Guelke.
"A conventional map contains distortions because the world is round and a map is flat," explains Prof. Guelke. "Such maps can give a very inaccurate idea of the direction and distance to Mecca from other places in the world. On this new world map, the direction of Mecca and the shortest distance is easily measured as a straight line ... It is amazing that Mecca is approximately the centre of the land mass of the world."...

Amazing? Or delusional?

wouldn't the title of the post better be stated
Jimmy Carter: Useless Idiot

re: #58 Ward Cleaver

In my opinion, they should swing from a rope.

A waste of perfectly good rope. Cut their throats with a dull knife.

re: #159 jorline

Jimmy's directing traffic in downtown Beirut with the Green Helmut Guy.

I wish. Then he could get run over by a tank.

Look Jimmy, another dead Jew, courtesy of your friends.

48-year-old killed in Kibbutz Kfar Aza by mortar fired from Gaza

A 48-year-old Israeli man was killed late Friday afternoon when four mortar shells fired from the Gaza Strip landed in Kibbutz Kfar Aza in the western Negev. The victim has been identified as father of four Jimmy Kedushim, a resident of the kibbutz. He was killed in the front yard of his house.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

re: #160 scaramouche

Jimmy C.'s terrorist hagiography, Palestine:Peace Not Apartheid, is numero uno on the Canadian Islamic Congress's list of gifts you can receive for a minimun $100 donation. Here's how the CIC describes the book:

Amazing? Or delusional?

Hey, for $150 you can get a copy of McCain's book, autographed, from his campaign. I know which one I'd rather get.

re: #160 scaramouche

And what IS the center of the World?

^{hint: Jewish Jerusalem}

re: #163 Kosh's Shadow

I wish. Then he could get run over by a tank.

Didn't someone else have a tank mishap?

re: #74 David Simon

Is Carter anti-semitic or just terminally stupid?

Both?

re: #147 song_and_dance_man

His hatred of Jews is irrational...

I'm sorry to say that his hatred of Jews isn't "irrational". It's a function of his Southern Baptist background, which has a noted animus toward "the Jews". Jimmy made that famously lame comment back in the day about how he "lusts in his heart." Not surprisingly, that organ is also the locus of his hate.

re: #169 AZDave

Both?

Agreed...Both

Good gravy, up is down.

re: #167 Wrath of God

And what IS the center of the World?

Vegas, baby, Vegas! (Just kidding. Everyone knows the center of the world is...soft, chocolately and ooey-gooey good.)

re: #170 scaramouche

I'm sorry to say that his hatred of Jews isn't "irrational". It's a function of his Southern Baptist background

Leaving aside for the moment the question of whether Southern Baptist religion fosters anti-Semitism; your statement is something of a non-sequitur. His anti-Semitism can be irrational AND a product of his [XYZ] background; the latter doesn't preclude the former.

I think he meant Burma - they actually have virtually no access to the outside world. Gaza- they have TV, internet, UN welfare drops- again and again, they can come into Israel, they buy motorcycles from Egypt, they have cell phones for car swarms.

Only a fool would fail to understand why Israel will not allow Hamas to form a unity government and be the government that it negotiates with since Hams is openly advocating the destruction of Israel. That explains why Carter can't understand it. As a wise man once said, if Israel threw down its weapons tomorrow there would be no Israel, if the Palestinians threw down their weapons tomorrow there would be a Palestinian state.

re: #167 WrathofG-d

And what IS the center of the World?

Cuzco, according to the Incas.

I got to get back to work, friends!

re: #178 Occasional Reader

Cuzco, according to the Incas.

My children?

re: #177 xtal1004

Only a fool would fail to understand why Israel will not allow Hamas to form a unity government and be the government that it negotiates with since Hams is openly advocating the destruction of Israel. That explains why Carter can't understand it. As a wise man once said, if Israel threw down its weapons tomorrow there would be no Israel, if the Palestinians threw down their weapons tomorrow there would be a Palestinian state.

Don't you get it? He understands perfectly.

Center of the World


Bring some Coronas

re: #135 uptight

Excellent post.

re: #170 scaramouche

I'm sorry to say that his hatred of Jews isn't "irrational". It's a function of his Southern Baptist background, which has a noted animus toward "the Jews". Jimmy made that famously lame comment back in the day about how he "lusts in his heart." Not surprisingly, that organ is also the locus of his hate.

Interesting. I myself am not a Baptist, but I've been living in Baptist country for 25 years. In all honesty I've never heard a single anti-semitic remark from a Baptist here. In fact, I've yet to meet a regular church-going one who isn't pro-Israel.(I admit I have grilled them all on the subject!)
I can't disprove your (ahem!) sweeping generalization, and I concede that central Georgia and upland Virginia are quite different, but I must say your statement strikes me as ignorant and bigoted.

Hamas Commander: Jimmah, Let's make a deal.

Jimmah (drool hanging from his lip) : Deal?

Hamas Commander: Yeah, you go tell your Western friends about our "situation" and then you and I can talk some more

Jimmah: Sounds like a plan. You know how much I like talking.

Hamas Commander(pumps fist and knocks knuckles with Jimmah): Friends?

Jimmah: Forevah!

50 kilometers of some of the best beach front property in the world.

An international class airport given to them for free.

Egyptian (and EU) control over the Philidelphi corridor.

Free electrical energy/power.

Free water.

Free fuel.

The international communities willing participation in wholesale ethnic cleansing. For the first time in recorded history the region known as the Gaza Strip is completely and entirely Judenrein.

1.5 million people living in an area the size of Washington DC.

Washington DC's population is estimated at more than 4 million.

===

STFU Jimmy Carter just STFU.

===

[Link: www.investors.com...]

"It may be easy to dismiss Carter's nutty statements about Israel as the ranting of a bitter man in his twilight years. But it's not so easy to look the other way as Arab cash flows into the Carter Center from people known to demand something in return. It is worth noting that the center's anticipated contributions receivable and Carter's anti-Israeli diatribes have both increased dramatically.

Carter's foundation has a $200 million endowment, according to Rachel Ehrenfeld, an expert on terrorism, writing in the Washington Times, and the center's own 2004-05 statement says it took in $172 million in donations, with some as high as $25 million.

Fat cats who've given $1 million since the center's founding in 1982 (and in the hazy disclosures we don't know how much more) include the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the Sultanate of Oman, the Saudi Fund for Development and the Government of the United Arab Emirates.

Among individuals who donated more than $100,000 in 2004-05, there is His Majesty Sultan Qaboos bin Said Al Said of Oman, in addition to bin Talal. Among listed "founders" of the center are the king of Saudi Arabia, BCCI scandal banker Agha Hasan Abedi and Arafat pal Hasib J. Sabbagh.

All of these contributors have virulently anti-Israel elements, and most have medieval records of opposing and obstructing democracy in their own countries. Maybe someday, in one of those softball interviews he gives, Carter will be asked to reconcile what he supposedly stands for with those from whom he gets his money."

JUST
STFU,
R

re: #182 BuddyG

I guess they don't do Acid there, just Woodys.

re: #186 Render

Excellent article for reference, Render-thanks.

I would say that Jimmy is motivated by an ungodly trinity: money, Jew hatred and a quest for glory based on ignorance and misguided, evil ideas of "justice" and "peace".

Carter's "replacement theology"

Southern Baptist "Jew problems"

re: #189 scaramouche

Carter's "replacement theology"

Southern Baptist "Jew problems"

Christians have to clean there own house, going into denile will not remove the anti semites amoung them. Much better to be honest I think.

saying that christian anti semites like dhimmi carter aren't christian is going into denile. It isn't up to jews to deal with gentile anti semitism it is up to gentiles to deal with it.

those who bless Israel will be blessed those who curse Israel will be cursed, those are G-d's words. not mine.

The koslings are praising Carter today.

Surprise.

re: #184 wolfie

You might research various denomination's official statements on Jews, conversion of, which was a big deal for (some? all?) baptists twenty years ago, but seems to have rather faded after we got through 2000 without major upheaval, and changed further after 9/11 occurred and we all reflected on what it meant.

re: #192 gman

The koslings are praising Carter today.

Surprise.

This comment pretty much sums it up: "His action helped to defang the Hamas = Satan meme, something that Obama can't do directly at the moment given the prevailing media discourse."

Meme? I can't even respond lest I get banned.

Kos must be so proud of his flock.

If I was a conspiracy theorist I would say that the rabbit that "attacked" Carter was actually a Russian-trained critter who released mind altering drugs that affected the portion of Jimmah's mind that controlled logic, common sense, and coherent thought, ( not sure if this was a left or right hand side issue, on this I would defer to the noted brain surgeon Rev. Wright ).

So you see, Jimmah can't help himself, he is the Manchurian Former President.

Alternatively he may have drunk a six-pack or two of his late brother's crappy "Billy" beer, thereby damaging critical brain cell components.

So, like Fox Mulder would say, " the truth is out there".

re: #113 yochanan

the peanut brain is a guilty liberal anti semite.

much better to toss Israel under the bus for his ancestors SLAVE HOLDING CRIMES, than to look at himself.

F him and anyone related to him
the crab apples don't fall that far from the tree.

Isn't it curious how our former president is so concerned about the (imaginary) crimes committed by Israel? Yet he is conspicuously silent on Darfur, Tibet, Hate crimes against women and gays in Islamic countries, Myanmar, Syrian crimes and assassinations in Lebanon, etc.etc

I wonder why that is...?

re: #196 onepistoffyid

Isn't it curious how our former president is so concerned about the (imaginary) crimes committed by Israel? Yet he is conspicuously silent on Darfur, Tibet, Hate crimes against women and gays in Islamic countries, Myanmar, Syrian crimes and assassinations in Lebanon, etc.etc

I wonder why that is...?

Because he is a typical liberal. Don't forget: Israel is the root cause of all evil in the world. wipe it out and we will all sing cumbaya in our new utopia.

re: #191 yochanan

First of all it said "A southern Baptist Minister", not ALL southern Baptist ministers.

Jimmy Carter in now way reflects the teachings, or the act of following Jesus.

I don't think those Christians among us would have a very difficult time finding Jewish Leaders, etc saying stupid things about Christians.

Will you take care of the Anti-christians and the Anti-semites within the Jewish community?

The palestinians are free to join the human race any time they choose. They choose not to. Tough niblets.

re: #139 lawhawk

I agree that Israel has been punished, but my point was the Palestinians have brought this on themselves, not just with the generation that fights Israel, but all generations of Palestinians to come because they have infested themselves with bitter hate and they indoctrinate that hate into their own children at the earliest age they can. Their children have become the instrument of their parents' hate, which will continue to be passed on to the next generation and the next, and the next. It will not stop until enough people stand up and say that this is wrong and that they will not stand for it.

Meanwhile, the rest of us pay in blood. Mr. President Carter shares responsibility for this abomination because he, like so many others in the world, fail to condemn it.

Jimmah must have eaten a really bad peanut.
I can't think of anything else that could explain his brain-dead antisemitic conduct.

Shuffle off thy moral coil, thou small-brayned land-grubber of diseased legumes. Hasten the daye that thou rests in the arms of thy lord and savior, Lucifer. May the world soon forget thy name, Jimuh Urghul KKKarter!

re: #189 scaramouche

Carter's "replacement theology"

Southern Baptist "Jew problems"

In the first link we have one minister saying something despicable.
In the second link we have Gary Bauer (graduate of Georgetown College, KY, a Baptist school) denouncing Jimmy Carter's replacement theology.
Thin gruel on which to hang your sweeping characterization of Southern Baptists.

Carter has spent far too much time with the enemy. He is even starting to sound like them. This is the same nonsense as his last book which reads like it was targeted to high school kids in Damascus. He completely avoids obvious facts and presents absolutely false assessments of past actions of Hamas and other Palestinian thugs. What he fails most of all to understand is that Palesitinians arent being punished because the West feels Hamas stole the election, that would be wrong. They are being punished specifically because they have willingly chosen to elect a group of animals who seek the total anhiilation of their neighbour, the same neighbour who just happens to control their borders, gas, food, water. What did they think was going to happen. Did they think Israel would welcome Hamas into Legitimacy? Its an absurd premise. They voted for war. Israel's mistake is that it has not yet obliged the Palestinians with that which they so desperately seem to want.

re: #198 Widow'smight

First of all it said "A southern Baptist Minister", not ALL southern Baptist ministers.

Jimmy Carter in now way reflects the teachings, or the act of following Jesus.

I don't think those Christians among us would have a very difficult time finding Jewish Leaders, etc saying stupid things about Christians.

Will you take care of the Anti-christians and the Anti-semites within the Jewish community?

WE JEWS ARE A SMALL PEOPLE IN POPULATION I DON'T THINK GENTILES HAVE MUCH TO FEAR FROM JEWS. JUST LOOK AT JEWISH HISTORY AND YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND JEWISH FEARS.

jewish groups aren't funding groups that are saying your religion should not exist WHO IS FUNDING JEWS FOR JESUS ANYWAY some with in the southern baptists are funding this group, the ave jew finds this offensive and anti semitic.

Naturally Carter's screed appears in the virulently leftist anti-Jewish Guardian on Israel's anniversary day.

This article is a birthday card from Israel's worst enemies.

To be serious about this I think Jimmah's whole act is a matter of "Reagan envy". Carter saw the outpouring of grief and positive commentary at Reagan's funeral and figured out that when he kicked the bucket he, Carter, wasn't going to get anything approaching the same thing.

Everyone legitimately credited Reagen with beating communism. What did Carter have? Well he had Begin and Sadat's peace treaty, which really had more to do with Egypt and Israel's needs than it did with him. And then what happened in Carter's (presumed) mind? Those darn Jews didn't roll over and give the arabs everything they wanted to get a piece of paper that used some "peace" word that would make what he did with Begin and Sadat look like a much bigger deal. So the guy is damn bitter, and of course, because they hold the cards, blames the Israelis.

So Jimmah will have to settle for the next best thing, being remembered as the Palestinian's American hero. They will probably name a city after him "KaffirCarter" and maybe even bury him in his cardigan in the same hole as Arafat, ( maybe holding hands?). I mean what else does the poor guy have? The admiration of Ramsey Clark?

re: #207 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

AG, the birthday gift is that Israel exists and will exist despite the antisemitic ravings of this POS. Jimmy Carter-thank God-does not pose an existential risk to Israel (I mean as an individual-certainly his pals in Iran and Hezbollah do).

re: #205 yochanan

First of all, I work for a Jewish Company, and you're right, I have nothing to fear from them. I'm 6' tall, 200 lbs and Bench press 335lbs, so no, I don't fear Jewish folks.

How bout the ACLU? Run by mostly Jewish folks trying to remove all traces of Christianity from everywhere. Waiting for them to have the Crosses removed from Arlington.

Jews for Jesus are anti-semitic? We as Christians have been instructed to make disciples of all the nations. Would you also be offended if I wished you a merry Christmas?

I imagine if you looked around, you'd find a much higher percentage of EVANGELICAL Christians (non-mainstream) in support of Israel than you'd find among Jews.

Also remember this. There are lots of Crosses of American soldiers spread throughout Europe from WW2. Chances are, they weren't anti-semitic either.

Please don't generalize about us Christians

re: #193 itellu3times

You might research various denomination's official statements on Jews, conversion of, which was a big deal for (some? all?) baptists twenty years ago, but seems to have rather faded after we got through 2000 without major upheaval, and changed further after 9/11 occurred and we all reflected on what it meant.

I was responding to what I think is an unfair, sweeping remark aboutone particular denomination, the Southern Baptists. I might mention that there is no Baptist Church, there are only Baptists churches and there is no "official" Baptist theology. If a church wants to partcipate in a "convention,"
it may have to meet minimal theological standards set by that convention, but a great many Baptist churches are not conveners.
How then do we decide what "Baptists" believe? Isolated remarks that make the newspapers? A poll of congreganta? I do not know. All I am saying is that my experience with Baptists, which dates back 25 years, has not led me to believe that they are anti-semitic. As I said, upland VA Baptists may be different from Georgia flat-landers. That is possible. In any case, I still find the remark stupid.

Jimmy Carter's client -- Hamas -- is a terrorist entity that has carried out suicide bombings on buses and in other places in Israel. It's founding manifesto makes it clear that it is sworn to the destruction of Israel.

Hamas is part of the Muslim Brotherhood, whose goals include the establishment of islamofascist states where book (Koran) and sword are integrated, and mosque and state are integrated.

The Muslim Brotherhood also has the goal of joining the islamofascist states into an islamofascist empire -- the khilafa, or caliphate.

Finally, the Muslim Brotherhood has the goal of "mastering the world with Islam" -- that is, having Sharia rule the world.

It is a sad fact that among the Palis, 3 out of 4 Palis polled have, as their primary objective, ending the existence of Israel. These are enemies of Israel, and not, as Carter believes, saints whose backing of Hamas transforms Hamas into saints. Whatever backing Hamas has among the Pali population has nothing whatever to do with the fact that both Hamas and 3/4 of the Pali population are enemies of Israel.

I am waiting for the archives of the GRU (Soviet Military Intelligence) to open up and reveal that a young U.S. Navy officer serving under Admiral Rickover was turned with the seductive argument that a compassionate, Christian worldview required that the Soviet Union be propped up as a counterweight to the racist, exploitative capitalist system of the West.

That this young naval officer would, on his return to his home state, catapult from obscurity to the governor's mansion and thence to the White House could be sold as an American success story, and no one would be terribly motivated to seek out evidence of Soviet-controlled operatives and networks in the USA who helped him along.

And if, as President, this person repaid his masters by, say, revealing a most highly-classified military-industrial program (like, for instance, Stealth) and by engineering the removal of a long-time geopolitical obstacle to Russia's designs on a southern port (like, for instance, the Shah of Iran), who would attribute those moves to anything more than liberal idealism?

re: #206 buzzsawmonkey

LOL.
And maybe "Hamas otra vez" got mixed up with "Ham est du? Oy vay!"

re: #214 buzzsawmonkey

I find the ongoing babble over whether or not Israel "should exist" to be nauseating.

Even when Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia were falling apart, nobody was talking about whether or not they "should" exist. People talked about the facts on the ground.

The idea that Jews have to still--after 60 years of sovereignty--justify, or believe they have to justify, the mere existence of their nation, is abominable.

I will remind those who have forgotten that Israel, as a nation, is no more than 20 years younger than the Arab nations of Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Jordan. All of these nations were creations of the imperial powers following WWI, formed out of the corpse of the Ottoman Empire. Israel alone was not formed by the fiat of imperial powers.

Accordingly, if being a "creation of Western imperialism" is reason for ceasing to exist, it is Israel--and not any of its surrounding Arab neighbors--which stands the test. If it is mere age which is the test of legitimacy, the Arab states have little basis upon which to attack Israel. And if it is strength of arms and the ability to engage in self-defense which determines sovereignty, Israel stands over the Arab states like a colossus.

THERE IS ONLY ONE REASON FOR THIS 'ANTI SEMITISM'

re: #210 Widow'smight

First of all, I work for a Jewish Company, and you're right, I have nothing to fear from them. I'm 6' tall, 200 lbs and Bench press 335lbs, so no, I don't fear Jewish folks.

How bout the ACLU? Run by mostly Jewish folks trying to remove all traces of Christianity from everywhere. Waiting for them to have the Crosses removed from Arlington.

Jews for Jesus are anti-semitic? We as Christians have been instructed to make disciples of all the nations. Would you also be offended if I wished you a merry Christmas?

I imagine if you looked around, you'd find a much higher percentage of EVANGELICAL Christians (non-mainstream) in support of Israel than you'd find among Jews.

Also remember this. There are lots of Crosses of American soldiers spread throughout Europe from WW2. Chances are, they weren't anti-semitic either.

Please don't generalize about us Christians

Most Christians aren't anti-semitic in the US (anymore), but many aspects of Christianity are anti-Semitic, starting with the original blood libel of Jews as Christ killers.

re: #210 Widow'smight

Widow'smight-I like you a lot, with respect to your post-yes, many liberal Jews are involved with the ACLU. Most are completely divorced from Jewish values and Jewish traditions-they are Jewish in name only-their real religion is Liberalism.

Jews, like myself (and I am only speaking for myself) get offended by Jews for Jesus because I feel that you can either be Christian or Jewish-not both. There are no "Jews for Budha" or "Jews for Muslims". I understand that Christians have an obligation to spread the Good Word, but this particular type of prosteylization hits a very sensitive nerve.

Evangelical Christians are our true friends-this is 100% the case. And I value this support tremendously. You are absolutely correct also that many non-Jews gave their lives in WWII and we Jews remain permanently scarred by the blood of our relatives that soaks the European continent.

Christians and Jews are family IMHO, we have disagreements-that's what makes you Christian and me Jewish-but that doesn't mean we can't be friends and work together on so many very important things.

Does anyone have any idea why Jimmy Carter is still foisted upon the American public?

re: #210 Widow'smight

First of all, I work for a Jewish Company, and you're right, I have nothing to fear from them. I'm 6' tall, 200 lbs and Bench press 335lbs, so no, I don't fear Jewish folks.
Please don't generalize about us Christians

Noone should generalize - not Jews about Christians, and not Christians about Jews.
BTW you actually could be in danger from your Jewish employer - he might tell you a very funny Jewish joke while you are holding 335 lbs over your head, in which case you could plutz (splode). LOL.

re: #217 onepistoffyid

First of all, the accounts of Christ's death were recorded by Jews, and from reading them, it is clear the Leaders of Jews were to blame, not the individual Jews.
If you are going to go that route, you also have to blame Christians for developing this Idea that Jerusalem is a Jewish city, cause there is no mention of Arabs.

I'm sorry, but I'm 50 years old, and I have never heard anti-semitic remarks in any church I've been in. Come from working people background, and we were too busy working and enjoying our lifes to hate others.

You are generalizing with your remarks also.

Which aspects of Christianity are anti-semitic? And, aren't Arabs Semites too?

re: #216 yochanan

THERE IS ONLY ONE REASON FOR THIS 'ANTI SEMITISM'

re: #218 WriterMom

Widow'smight-I like you a lot, with respect to your post-yes, many liberal Jews are involved with the ACLU. Most are completely divorced from Jewish values and Jewish traditions-they are Jewish in name only-their real religion is Liberalism.

Jews, like myself (and I am only speaking for myself) get offended by Jews for Jesus because I feel that you can either be Christian or Jewish-not both. There are no "Jews for Budha" or "Jews for Muslims". I understand that Christians have an obligation to spread the Good Word, but this particular type of prosteylization hits a very sensitive nerve.

Evangelical Christians are our true friends-this is 100% the case. And I value this support tremendously. You are absolutely correct also that many non-Jews gave their lives in WWII and we Jews remain permanently scarred by the blood of our relatives that soaks the European continent.

Christians and Jews are family IMHO, we have disagreements-that's what makes you Christian and me Jewish-but that doesn't mean we can't be friends and work together on so many very important things.

During the Spanish Inquisition, the jews were told to convert or die. What people forget is that what starts as good natured prodding in good times can turn into genocidal rage during periods of social upheaval. What Writer Mom needs to remember is that Christian-Jewish relations didn't begin in 1962...alot of shit hit the fan since 60 AD and most of it started in Christian theology (i.e. jews killing of Christ and replacement theology, the blood libel, etc. etc).

And getting back to Jimmy Carter, these theological underpinnings I feel form a subconscious backdrop for some of these Jew hating Christians (i.e. Meaersheimer and Walt, Pat Buchanan, etc.).

re: #205 yochanan

I'm just musing out loud here, not laying down propositions!

The subject of conversion is a tricky one. I am a Catholic living in an overwhelmingly Protestant, very Evangelical, area. I know many Baptists who would rejoice mightily if I converted to their "superior" beliefs; I know some that believe ( or genuinely fear) that I am going to hell because I know the difference and yet still consciously choose "false"Catholicism over "true" Baptism. I might add that Evangelicals are targeting Catholics countries in their missions with great vigor.

It's very hard to sort this out.
Are Jews anti-Christian bigots because they don't accept Jesus as the Messiah?
Or are they just faithful Jews?
Is a Baptist a bigot because he believes those like me who were baptized as infants are not Baptized at all...and therefore not part of the Body of Christ?
Is the only way he can absolve himself of anti-Catholic bigotry to stop being a Baptist?
I don't know. There is a line that crosses into bigotry, but it's not always easy to draw it.

In any event, history requires Christians to specifically address the seeds of anti-semiticism that may be present in our various theologies.
Both Catholics and Protestants have been working on this and need to keep at it. That's one thing I believe we at LGF can agree on.

re: #218 WriterMom

I think you're a cool momma, and I understand the Jews for Jesus thing working on your nerves. I just don't like Generalizations about Christians coming from one Statement from one Minister, and the whole statement wasn't even there.

You know, a couple of things that distinquish Christianity and Judaism from the rest of belief systems in the world are 1) A loving and personal God and 2) Songs of praise and Joy.

Jews for Jesus are anti-semitic? We as Christians have been instructed to make disciples of all the nations. Would you also be offended if I wished you a merry Christmas?

FROM A THEOLOGICAL POINT OF VIEW IT IS ANTI SEMITIC TO THE CORE because it says our religion is unaceptable and they only target jews. You really can't be christian and jewish at the same time.

Now christian groups like the Salvation Army don't offend me at all since they witness to everybody which is there right.

oh so yesterday it was "Intellegent Design Believers" vs. "Science-Diest Believers" and today it is Christians vs. Jews?

what is happening around here?

re: #223 onepistoffyid

What Writer Mom needs to remember is that Christian-Jewish relations didn't begin in 1962

WriterMom knows a lot of history thankyouverymuch.

btw: im not so sure a true Jew would refer to him/herself as a "yid".

Just sayin

re: #220 sparrowlake

That's my highest weight, and it don't get held long there. I work at home from SE PA, the company is in NYC. Still trying to learn the Hebrew Lingo and Holidays though.

re: #222 Widow'smight

First of all, the accounts of Christ's death were recorded by Jews, and from reading them, it is clear the Leaders of Jews were to blame, not the individual Jews.
If you are going to go that route, you also have to blame Christians for developing this Idea that Jerusalem is a Jewish city, cause there is no mention of Arabs.

I'm sorry, but I'm 50 years old, and I have never heard anti-semitic remarks in any church I've been in. Come from working people background, and we were too busy working and enjoying our lifes to hate others.

You are generalizing with your remarks also.

Which aspects of Christianity are anti-semitic? And, aren't Arabs Semites too?

You are confusing anti-semitism of individual Christians with the theological underpinnings of christian anti-semitism. As I mentioned they are 1) the slander and historically incorrect assertion in the gospels that jews killed Christ and 2) replacement theology, i.e. that the jews were replaced by the Church in the Abrahamic covenant.

And yes of course there is Muslim anti--semitism as well. Nobody disputes that for sure. But I am going to say something here that you might find hard to accept....more Jews have been killed by Christians for being jewish than by Muslims since the beginning of the Diaspora iin 60 AD.....that is a historical fact. But you guys are doing much better these days, thanks for that!

re: #223 onepistoffyid

What people forget is that what starts as good natured prodding in good times can turn into genocidal rage during periods of social upheaval.

Don't be an oversensitive boob.
Just because something harmless has in the past arguably evolved into something harmful is no reason to overreact to the harmless behaviour.
Jews are tougher than that.

re: #231 Widow'smight

"hebrew Lingo"? Not likely. Its most likely yiddish. like "shumuck" or "putz, or "shvitz".

Would you also be offended if I wished you a merry Christmas?

It would depend on if you knew i was jewish or not. If you did not know i was jewish i would have no problem at all. I might respond with happy chanaka or happy new year.

now if you knew i was a religious jew why would you say it all? In that case a SEASONS' GREETING OR HAPPY NEW YEAR would be better, would it not? The intent matters i think.

re: #226 yochanan

Would you also be offended if I wished you a merry Christmas?

FROM A THEOLOGICAL POINT OF VIEW IT IS ANTI SEMITIC TO THE CORE because it says our religion is unaceptable and they only target jews. You really can't be christian and jewish at the same time.

I am a Jew.
And you are full of shit.

re: #231 Widow'smight

Loppy always does a *goy alert* when I talk about something she doesn't understand...LGF can be a Jew tutoring place sometimes...Jutor? LOL.

re: #230 WrathofG-d

btw: im not so sure a true Jew would refer to him/herself as a "yid".

Just sayin

I call myself a yid all the time, but perhaps some might not consider me a "true" jew.

I also eat pork and drive on Saturday.....does that make me less of a jew....

but I would have been sitting in the boxcar right next to you either way.....

just saying.

re: #238 onepistoffyid

If you are Jewish and eat pork and drive on Saturday that means that you observe perhaps less mitzvot than other Jews. That's all.

But your language is so aggressive and abrasive.

re: #226 yochanan

It is not anti -semitic to try to share my beliefs anymore than it is for you to share yours with me. Remember, we worship the same GOD, I am not Jewish!

If you wish to tell me of your Joy because of your relationship with God, feel free, I'm all ears. Evangelical Christian teachings are based on the "Old Testament" also.

re: #238 onepistoffyid

Yes according to Hitler we would both be Jews. But I don't let Hitler choose who is a Jew or not. I let G-d do that.

So if your mother was a Jew, or your converted Orthodoxically then yes you are a Jew.

But it seems not a very wise or self-respecting one.

As for eating pork and driving on Shabbat....well you would still be a Jew if you fit into either (a) or (b) above, but because of the eating pork and driving on Shabbat you would be a BAD Jew.

However, if you are Reform, then I would consider you less religously Jewish than the Christians on this thread.

re: #217 onepistoffyid

Most Christians aren't anti-semitic in the US (anymore), but many aspects of Christianity are anti-Semitic, starting with the original blood libel of Jews as Christ killers.

That's no longer an aspect of Christianity. It was, once, sadly, grafted on by ignorant or greedy or wicked men like a weed in a garden, but do any denominations hold today that Jews are ANY more guilty of Christ's blood than any other group or person? I don't think so, but if you find some, I'll condemn them.
Some Jews did ask for Christ to be killed; they happened to be the ones there. I might have done the same had I been in their place, but that's irrelevant--I WAS part of the reason he chose to die, in Christian theology.

re: #233 sparrowlake

Don't be an oversensitive boob.
Just because something harmless has in the past arguably evolved into something harmful is no reason to overreact to the harmless behaviour.
Jews are tougher than that.

It is not snobbery, I just think we all need to remember the history and hope that the future turns out better. Right now there is no doubt Christians are the jews best friend, but it wasn't always that way, that is all....

Oh and by the way, the Roman's killed Christ....not the jews. Jews never crucified anybody, and the Sanhedrin never had quick trials done at night as espoused by the gospels, just saying.

Glad I got that off my chest.

re: #242 buzzsawmonkey

..and, ironically, Hitler considered non-Jews to be "Jews". (grandparent theory) so.......

re: #241 WrathofG-d

Yes according to Hitler we would both be Jews. But I don't let Hitler choose who is a Jew or not. I let G-d do that.

So if your mother was a Jew, or your converted Orthodoxically then yes you are a Jew.

But it seems not a very wise or self-respecting one.

As for eating pork and driving on Shabbat....well you would still be a Jew if you fit into either (a) or (b) above, but because of the eating pork and driving on Shabbat you would be a BAD Jew.

However, if you are Reform, then I would consider you less religously Jewish than the Christians on this thread.

yup I am reformed, but at least I am not re constructionist! That is really out there!

re: #227 buzzsawmonkey

I threw that in about the Arabs to make a point that Christian Beliefs are in direct contrast to Muslim ones because we don't change Jewish scriptures.

re: #233 sparrowlake

Don't be an oversensitive boob.
Just because something harmless has in the past arguably evolved into something harmful is no reason to overreact to the harmless behaviour.
Jews are tougher than that.

OVER SENSITIVE? MY WIFE'S FAMILY WAS BUTCHERED FOR BEING JEWISH, AND EVEN IN THIS DECADE ONE OF MY SONS WAS SHOT AT IN CHICAGO FOR BEING JEWISH. YOU SHOULD REALLY LOOK AT JEWISH HISTORY A LITTLE MORE YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND WHY JEWS GET A LITTLE SENSITIVE ABOUT ANTI SEMITISM.

Remember Germany in 1910 the jewish population was more assimilated than in any other european country and even maybe more than in america as well. Only 25 years later we were being tossed into death camps.

re: #246 onepistoffyid

Yes reconstructionist is worse than Reform, but I do not think very highly (understatement!) of Reform.

In fact I could give a pretty solid argument that Christianity has more in common with Judaism than Reformism does.

You are Jewish chavir (assuming your Mother was), and with that I'll give you a break...but....Reformism isn't Judaism.

re: #218 WriterMom

Widow'smight-I like you a lot, with respect to your post-yes, many liberal Jews are involved with the ACLU. Most are completely divorced from Jewish values and Jewish traditions-they are Jewish in name only-their real religion is Liberalism.

Jews, like myself (and I am only speaking for myself) get offended by Jews for Jesus because I feel that you can either be Christian or Jewish-not both. There are no "Jews for Budha" or "Jews for Muslims". I understand that Christians have an obligation to spread the Good Word, but this particular type of prosteylization hits a very sensitive nerve.

Evangelical Christians are our true friends-this is 100% the case. And I value this support tremendously. You are absolutely correct also that many non-Jews gave their lives in WWII and we Jews remain permanently scarred by the blood of our relatives that soaks the European continent.

Christians and Jews are family IMHO, we have disagreements-that's what makes you Christian and me Jewish-but that doesn't mean we can't be friends and work together on so many very important things.

Without actually defending Jews for Jesus, I don't think your analogy holds. As you point out, there is a special relationship between Judaism and Christianity not found elsewhere. (Even Islam and either, because Mohammed threw out the Jewish scriptures as corrupt, which Christ (& Paul) explicity did not). Is this enough to claim to be both? I dunno, probably not, but I don't think it is really unreasonable or offensive--though certainly insensitive.

re: #243 nikis-knight

That's no longer an aspect of Christianity. It was, once, sadly, grafted on by ignorant or greedy or wicked men like a weed in a garden, but do any denominations hold today that Jews are ANY more guilty of Christ's blood than any other group or person? I don't think so, but if you find some, I'll condemn them.
Some Jews did ask for Christ to be killed; they happened to be the ones there. I might have done the same had I been in their place, but that's irrelevant--I WAS part of the reason he chose to die, in Christian theology.

True Christianity cannot be separated from Judaism .....Christianity lost it's way for a while but it is now finding its way back to its Jewish roots, but it was a long dark walk in the wilderness for a while.

Christian anti-semtism is therefore the work of the anti-Christ and every Christian must fight it as the evil that it is.

re: #249 WrathofG-d

Yes reconstructionist is worse than Reform, but I do not think very highly (understatement!) of Reform.

In fact I could give a pretty solid argument that Christianity has more in common with Judaism than Reformism does.

You are Jewish chavir (assuming your Mother was), and with that I'll give you a break...but....Reformism isn't Judaism.

Mom and Dad, but they are pork eaters too.

re: #223 onepistoffyid

I think WriterMom is right.... and you are.......pissed off.

I will agree that Christians of all denominations must continue to root out those elements of theology (or more often, folklore) in the Christian tradition that have led to or facilitated anti-semitism. The work has begun, but it has to keep going.

I also believe that pissed off critics like you can help to keep Christians from getting complacent. On the other hand, if all you have to say is negative, your criticism not only becomes counter-productive, but may lead you into the very kind of bigotry that you despise.

re: #232 onepistoffyid

But you guys are doing much better these days, thanks for that!

Us Guys have done alot of wonderful things over the years, and the greatness of this country is one of them.

My family lineage doesn't have any slave owners, Nazi-conspirators, or evil people in it. All it has are hard working folks.

I HAVE NEVER CALLED ANY JEWISH PERSON A NASTY NAME, NOR TREATED THEM DIFFERENTLY THAN ANYONE ELSE. Nor has anyone in my family that I know of.

US guys have graves all over this world from standing up against the evil of men.

All you seem to have is nasty attitude toward people who think differently than you.

Whoa....you can't believe in Jesus as the Messiah, and still hold to the Jewish belief that the Messiah has not yet come.

re: #213 stuiec

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It wasn't until after he'd left office that Carter became bought and paid for, and the Soviets weren't the paying customers.

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re: #255 Widow'smight

Us Guys have done alot of wonderful things over the years, and the greatness of this country is one of them.

My family lineage doesn't have any slave owners, Nazi-conspirators, or evil people in it. All it has are hard working folks.

I HAVE NEVER CALLED ANY JEWISH PERSON A NASTY NAME, NOR TREATED THEM DIFFERENTLY THAN ANYONE ELSE. Nor has anyone in my family that I know of.

US guys have graves all over this world from standing up against the evil of men.

All you seem to have is nasty attitude toward people who think differently than you.

I am not sure where you are getting that from. I never called anyone a nasty name, go re-read what I wrote, and if you look closely at those militarily cemeteries you will see many Jewish stars amongst the crosses.

re: #232 onepistoffyid

The Nazis were explicitly anti-Christian.

That the Nazis exploited the Christian, anti-semitic heritage there is no doubt.
To call Nazism a Christian movement is ignorant in the extreme.
Ironically (from your point of view), one of the reasons fortheir hatred of the Jews was that the noble Aryan pagan had been corrupted by a Jewish religion called Christianity.

re: #256 WrathofG-d

Whoa....you can't believe in Jesus as the Messiah, and still hold to the Jewish belief that the Messiah has not yet come.

"The messiah has not yet come" can't be a core Jewish belief--otherwise, when he did come, would that mean you stopped being Jews?

re: #244 onepistoffyid

I didn't say you were being a snob.
I said you were being oversensitive.
And I believe you were.

re: #248 yochanan

OVER SENSITIVE? MY WIFE'S FAMILY WAS BUTCHERED FOR BEING JEWISH, AND EVEN IN THIS DECADE ONE OF MY SONS WAS SHOT AT IN CHICAGO FOR BEING JEWISH. YOU SHOULD REALLY LOOK AT JEWISH HISTORY A LITTLE MORE YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND WHY JEWS GET A LITTLE SENSITIVE ABOUT ANTI SEMITISM.

Remember Germany in 1910 the jewish population was more assimilated than in any other european country and even maybe more than in america as well. Only 25 years later we were being tossed into death camps.

I think Sparrawlake was taking aim at me but thanks for the heartfelt retort, it saved me the trouble.

re: #262 sparrowlake

I didn't say you were being a snob.
I said you were being oversensitive.
And I believe you were.

I definitely have a major chip on my shoulder, that is for damn sure...you are very perceptive.

It seems to me that all I ever heard was "land for peace." Well, I remember Israeli soldiers fighting fellow Israelis to remove them from Gaza in order to hand it back. What did Israel get? Missles fired at it on a daily basis and a war in 2006. You cannot have peace with people who don't want peace. If that's what Israel got for Gaza, why would it consider the West Bank?

re: #244 onepistoffyid

It is not snobbery, I just think we all need to remember the history and hope that the future turns out better. Right now there is no doubt Christians are the jews best friend, but it wasn't always that way, that is all....

Oh and by the way, the Roman's killed Christ....not the jews. Jews never crucified anybody, and the Sanhedrin never had quick trials done at night as espoused by the gospels, just saying.

Glad I got that off my chest.

Okay! :)

re: #253 onepistoffyid

Well, we can only hope that you grow greater than your Parents and learn to keep more mitzvot!

re: #267 buzzsawmonkey

Great point. I was going to add that to my message.

re: #258 onepistoffyid

Never said you called anyone a nasty name, I'm just telling you about my treatment of others. I don't need to read over what you said again, but at least you've toned down a bit. I also know there are Jewish gravemarkers in our military cemetaries.

Don't compare what happened ? many years ago and try to fast forward that thinking till now.

If you were my neighbor, and you were in need, I would be glad to help you out without asking which version of Judaism you subscribe to.

That's the way people are where I live. I might be able to talk one of the farmers into giving up a Lamb if you know how to butcher it, I've only helped on Deer.

re: #261 nikis-knight

When the Moshiach comes we will still be Jews but the belief that he hasn't come will change. Not our belief that he has yet come.

Everybody wants Moshiach

Is everyone watching the funny/cute little kids singing "everybody wants Moshiach"?

re: #248 yochanan

OVER SENSITIVE? MY WIFE'S FAMILY WAS BUTCHERED FOR BEING JEWISH, AND EVEN IN THIS DECADE ONE OF MY SONS WAS SHOT AT IN CHICAGO FOR BEING JEWISH. YOU SHOULD REALLY LOOK AT JEWISH HISTORY A LITTLE MORE YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND WHY JEWS GET A LITTLE SENSITIVE ABOUT ANTI SEMITISM.

Remember Germany in 1910 the jewish population was more assimilated than in any other european country and even maybe more than in america as well. Only 25 years later we were being tossed into death camps.

I wasn't calling you oversensitive. That remark was directed at onepissedoffyid.
You I called full of shit for your idiotic assertion that being wished Merry Christmas was anti-Semitic. And for that you certainly are full of shit.
So now you are pulling out the holocaust to justify exactly what - your prior idiotic assertion that being wished Merry Xmas is anti-Semitic? Give me a break.
BTW I am a child of holocaust survivors so I would appreciate it if you would not use the victims in this fashion.

re: #264 onepistoffyid

I definitely have a major chip on my shoulder, that is for damn sure...you are very perceptive.

re: #266 wolfie

Okay! :)

re: #268 WrathofG-d

Well, we can only hope that you grow greater than your Parents and learn to keep more mitzvot!