Whats wrong? He doesn't bow to bigots. Thats what.

I'm a little nervous about clicking on a video link that even Charles couldn't get to play.

It works. I'm watching it now.

It's playing for me.

Muslim critics can be especially harsh.

Won't play for me. I am already siding with Steyn, whatever the content. The man is the most cogent and forthright spokesperson for our cause I have ever read. Not bad for a theater critic. ;)

Flash (.
Plays like carp.
Playing with the buffer.

Worked with firefox 2.0.0.12
It's about "Eurabia"

It worked and is excellent to see Mark take on the three 'pre-lawyer-annoyers.'

Picture is good but narrators voice over keeps starting and stopping.

If it's the vid I watched yesterday, it skips and pops.

That said, the critics are upset because Steyn had the nerve to quote Muslim sources accurately, and declare his opposition to their goals.

It is, apparently, "hate speech" in Canada to speak plainly. Something we are also experiencing here.

Working for me.....so far.

On AOL, on a PC, it plays perfectly.

As a Steyniac, if it didn't? I would need CPR! ;)

re: #6 rawmuse

Won't play for me. I am already siding with Steyn, whatever the content. The man is the most cogent and forthright spokesperson for our cause I have ever read. Not bad for a theater critic. ;)

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Steyn is awesome when he substitute hosts for Hannity on Hannity & Colmes. He is civil, handsome & what a great accent--like Christopher Hitchens--when these guys speak, they just sound smarter than whoever they're debating.

/sucker for wellspoken English speakers, and Margaret Thatcher's kind of tawk

NOTHING is wrong with Mark Steyn's view of the world.

Canadian Human Rights Act?

More like "Hate Whitey" incorporated

I watched the video. The main complaint of the muslims was that McClean's refused to print their response to Steyn and (by their count) 22 anti-Islamic articles.

I was completely amused by the socialist entitlement mentality they used to defend their theocratic ideology that doesn't allow any dissent.

The "Agenda" is the perfect name for this show.

Thank God (...or natural selection) for Mark Steyn.

it plays just fine for me.

one of the first clips is of one Nick Griffin. hmmmm. isn't he one of the undesirables?

well, i'll have to finish watching it later. must pack for week long visit with my siblings to pops house to clear it out. ugh.

works fine for me watched this yesterday

Mark Steyn....intelligently designed

Finally, a Steyn we can all get behind.

Beer Steyn!

Link to video:
http://www.tvo.org/theagenda/video/TAWSP_Full_2008 0506_0_320x240_208k.swf

Is there a way to rip this media?

They are trying to do a CAIR-style number ala Daniel Pipes on him. I would much prefer they fully illuminate those so very tolerant hadiths and suras found in the Koran instead. How about it guys?

Works well for me.

re: #18 uncle_monkey

Actually, Steve Paikin the moderator, is excellent. I preferred the old TV Ontario format. However they switched to a longer coverage of a single topic to try and give the issues depth. He is one of the most fair-minded hosts in Canada. Mark Steyn was also interviewed for an hour on Michael Coren's show in Toronto. Michael Coren spent the entire week in Israel (and surroundings?) and will be talking about this when he returns. I believe the website is michaelcoren.com. You can google it to find out more. He's a staunch Christian supporter of Israel and knows a lot about the Bible.

The Islamists in the video make me scared of RoP more now

re: #13 NY Nana

it worked fine on my Firefox too.

re: #28 yenta-fada

Actually, Steve Paikin the moderator, is excellent. I preferred the old TV Ontario format. However they switched to a longer coverage of a single topic to try and give the issues depth. He is one of the most fair-minded hosts in Canada. Mark Steyn was also interviewed for an hour on Michael Coren's show in Toronto. Michael Coren spent the entire week in Israel (and surroundings?) and will be talking about this when he returns. I believe the website is michaelcoren.com. You can google it to find out more. He's a staunch Christian supporter of Israel and knows a lot about the Bible.

I thought Paikin was excellent. He did something US moderators almost never do, which is challenge the evidence being used to support a viewpoint rather than challenging the viewpoint. US moderators seem more interested in arguing over opinions because it creates a more emotional (and entertaining) program.

Definitely a bandwith problem :-((

re: #32 Bubbaman

May be

Charles-I have watched it, and it's fine for me on IE.

I think it was also uploaded to You Tube, actually I think scaramouche has it from YouTube on her blog.

It's amazing-the SEETHING of the male law student is incredible.

Plus-they are all barely literate. Every second word LIKE YOU KNOW I MEAN LIKE LIKE.

Weenies.

Fast forward half way and Mark takes on 3 of his critics at the same time. By the way, this flash video player they are using is the worst player I've seen on the internet net. It sucks bad!

I think the Muslim chicks are there just for eye candy. Mr. Seethopolooza is the main dude.

But they are all SOCK PUPPETS.

Still working fine for me.

The video plays fine for me on Safari. It won't surprise Lizards that Mr. Steyn presents his argument in a masterly way. He's a courageous man and a great asset to right-thinking people.

Wish the republican ticket was Petraeus/Steyn.......I'd sleep better at night.

Steyn is promoting his book in Canada, and so he has been getting plenty of media coverage, including this mainstream radio talk show

[Link: www.cfrb.com...]

and the most far left media outlet in the country, the "Canadian" Broadcasting Corporation
[Link: www.cbc.ca...]

It is actually a huge bit of progress to even have Steyn on these shows. The battle for Canada continues!

These morons are law students? What the hell kind of law school education teaches one to debate so poorly?...

Modern law schools.

Oh... and while I'm at it. Get your niqabs on your heads, damn uncovered meat.

Steyn is like the 10 year old girl during the first Tsumani:

On a beach with her mom, she said, "That's a tsumani."
"What?" her mother said.
"Tidalwave!"

Steyn is yelling TIDALWAVE!

It's on youtube:

Part I:

re: #18 uncle_monkey

The "Agenda" is the perfect name for this show.

Damn straight.

For those lizards not in the know, The Agenda usually has a wide variety of political commentators from across the Canadian political spectrum.

They have the left wing...
The far left wing...
The extreme left wing...
The insane left wing...

And very rarely, someone like Mark Steyn.

I couldn’t get it to play,

Is it just me, or do the video streams from most MSM websites suck? Almost like they dont really like the web enough to make things work well...

You can watch the show on youtube. Search for Steve Paikin and Steyn. Still listening to the taquiyya from the three frontmen/women. Hoping that there is an actual debate to follow.

Question to make islamo fascists who go to news media:

"Do you want shariah in non-Muslim nations or not?"

Notice how the islamo-nazis quickly avoided that question.

The rest begins here

Watched the whole thing. Call the WAAHHmbulance for these 3 stooges. Not one of Steyn's remarks was addressed reasonably by them. This is another case of Islam conquering by destroying free speech.

I had no problem playing the original link in Safari if I used the pause button to allow my video buffer to fill up a bit, then pressed play to view the buffer contents.

Steyn was terrific, as was the moderator. The moderator did an especially good job of repeatedly emphasizing the point that these kids can't refute Steyn's arguments on the merits, and just want to silence him by calling his unrefuted writings "hate speech" because the writings are not flattering to the Muslim body politic. They were shown to be using the totalitarian socialist machinery of the "Human Rights Commissions" in Ontario to attempt to control the expression of unchallenged facts in the media. This is a huge issue, because if the islamofascists are allowed to succeed in using the state machinery to control public perceptions of their actions, the battle for Western culture will be lost.

I saw that.
What is wrong with Mark Steyn? Nothing.
What is wrong with the law students? Their insecurities were showing.
Just my thoughts for now.

re: #43 OnTheRightSide

Where's the debate? I saw on the Youtube, the interview bit, where he discusses how the Muslims won't debate him. I presume they debate him afterwards?

There's another clip, much poorer quality, called "Islamophobia debate." Is that the one?

Forget it, I figured it out.

re: #39 oronpam

Wish the republican ticket was Petraeus/Steyn.......I'd sleep better at night.

Mark Steyn was born in Toronto, ON, brought up in England, and lives in NH....one of the most L³ States of the 50...and Québec.

I'm glad I watched it. Viva Mark Steyn. He wiped the floor with them.

His book America Alone is a must read

The so-called Human Rights Commissions have turned into something that surely would have prompted Orwell, were he still alive, to write a sequel to 1984. Anyone can accuse someone like Mark Steyn or the publisher of a neighborhood newsletter of a "hate crime." The accuser then has the full machinery of the state on his side and pays nothing whereas the accused must either plead guilty or mount a defense at his own expense. It is worth reading up on Steyn's web site this as a means of appreciating the First Amendment; Canada has no equivalent.

The first minute or two of the video seem a bit rough, but mine smoothed right out when I right-clicked on the screen and set the quality down to LOW. After that it was OK.

GREAT video; I want to get his book. This interview should be recorded on a DVD for wide distribution. Preface it with the two YouTube videos of the cute 3-year-old and 11-year-old Muslim girls who are talking about the thrills of wanting to be a shahid (suicide bomber), and this will be a real eye-opener for the ignorant folks who advocate, "Don't be such a bigot -- just leave them alone, they're just another religion."

Without their hidden 'Borg' agenda that's being remotely driven by Saudi funding, that might indeed be a true statement. All things being equal, the average citizen of any religion around the world only wants to avoid dissent and stress, and hopefully to prosper as well as help others to do so.

I am acquainted with a few honest, trustworthy Muslim businessmen who don't have a private axe to grind. They are great to be around. However, creeping fanaticism also has them worried. They know about "what goes around, comes around", and they show genuine concern over possible future retribution against them and their friends and families, if fanaticism flares up and the public goes on a stupid Witch Hunt.

Kinda hard to ignore.

re: #50 pcalver

I tried the buffer trick on all three browsers and the best I got was about thirty seconds of uninterrupted vid. I am now running it on Safari with the volume muted and will see if it will rewind and play like God and I intended, straight though from beginning to end.

Does anyone know if there's a transcript out there somewhere?

Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater, regarding actual, honest Human Rights. The planet does need some kind of common denominators, after all.

However, recently there's been a very clever Islamic movement afoot that has the obvious purpose of taking over, mis-using and perverting the fair, honest and valid Human Rights movement, with their own altered copy of same.

Clever, clever, clever.

Carefully note how the Islamic version of Human Rights looks and sounds good on the surface, with the only 'catch' being a little phrase here and there in the background stating that in the final analysis, SHARIA LAW always takes precedence:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
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I love the host Steve Paikin. While I often disagree with the guests on his shows, I find him to be balanced and knowledgable, good with a challenge, and able to control a room full of disagree-ing (and sometimes disagree-able) people.

Have no idea of his political stance, but I have never had a problem with him. I actually download podcasts of the Agenda if the subject interests me.

I think he's excellent, and one of the best people on TV news.

re: #61 johnny 100 pesos

I love the host Steve Paikin. While I often disagree with the guests on his shows, I find him to be balanced and knowledgable, good with a challenge, and able to control a room full of disagree-ing (and sometimes disagree-able) people.

Have no idea of his political stance, but I have never had a problem with him. I actually download podcasts of the Agenda if the subject interests me.

I think he's excellent, and one of the best people on TV news.

Steve, is that you? LOL.

Steyn makes it all look so easy.

He is a truly gifted speaker.

His debate points hit like stinger missiles reducing his opponents to basic ad homonyms and cartoon type grievances. They never disputed one fact cited by Steyn.

The moderator did a good job and had a good handle on the issues. He also called out the grievance theater troop when they resorted to outright taqiyya.

Worked fine for me- watched it straight through. Moderator was excellent. The muslim dude actually performed fairly well- "If the facts are not on you side, then argue the law" (and vice versa). Unfortunately, Canadian human-rights-law is such an incoherent cesspot born of multi-culti influence that he had cases to cite. Also, I think the Muslim dude lied when he agreed with the moderator that there is no "right to not be offended". Had he spoken truthfully- "Dhimmis have no right not to be offended- Muslims do".

The most pressing problem I have with the 3 muslim "victims" is they are outraged with Mark Steyn for quoting prominent (not obscure - as portrayed) muslims rather than directing their outrage toward the prominent muslims from which the obscene quote(s) originated.

Until the muslim "victims" get that, the conversation/debate is quite useless.

Mark nailed it early on describing their complaints as based on emotion rather than rational thought. Imagine that.

The three muslims seemed to be focused on the idea the magazine
owed them equal time, and that simply is not true.
Freedom of speech does not mean you have the right to be heard, It means you have the right to say about any thing you like, I have the right to ignore any person I choose.

That was fricking awesome.

full size link

This is a great show. Mark Steyn blows up some blow-hard law students who don't understand what free speech means -- they think "free speech" means they get quota time inside each magazine. This show is a vibrant testimony to the bankruptcy of Canadian legal education as well as a triumph of reason.

Well worth the watch, even tho I just listened.
While not total idiots the muhammadens did sport a sense of entitlement to regular ink in McLean's,as if the publication were public property.
It's circulation qualified it as voice of the state,defacto style,
if I followed their argument.
Probably all the voices of the state in their old home towns exalted Islamic culture,(such as it is).
Hopefully they will understand if ours do not.
McLean's right to publish was being financially challenged here.
Ezra Levant in that awesome series of videos faced the CHRC and estimated that the adventure of having his free speech questioned ,just as McLean's and Steyn suffer here ,would cost him several hundred
thousand dollars.
Steyn correctly notes these extra judicial kangaroo courts,(whose investigators instigate actionable blog entrys),for what they are.
A blatant attempt to enforce PC speech.
Thats what Steyn was up against tonite,
and even outnumbered,and shouted over three to one
he still smoked them.

It's awesome and intense. Worth watching.

These muslim "critics" have all the energy to denounce Steyn's "racism", but these people exhibit no outrage over the very real and extensive jihadist network in Canada which has planned many terrorist acts.

These people are total frauds.

What's wrong with Mark Steyn?

He is a truth teller who does not kowtow to Muslim bullies.

The youtube links are totally worth watching. It's too bad the first video worked poorly.

Western societies do not have much to fear from a group of people who believe they are entitled to not having their feelings hurt and bring nothing else to the table. Although it's been popular to cave in to the hurt feelings agenda, in the end, it cannot withstand the inevitable scrutiny.

I'm pretty sure the problem Charles was experiencing was Mac based... ;-)

I saw it on a mac and using the Mozilla Firefox browser. No problems but it was a little slow loading and buffering.

It finally worked for me and I was so captivated that I sat riveted for the entire show. Steyn and the moderator were brilliant and I wish we enjoyed this caliber of journalism in the States. The beauty of debating these Muslims is that given the latitude, these morons tie their own rope. The more they opened their mouths, the less credible they became. Light is a great sanitizer.

The main problem here is Canada's hate-speech laws, which shouldn't exist. They do stifle debate, and the answer to hate speech is more speech. Muslims have had access to countless media outlets, not least this Agenda show. No outlet should be forced to publish anything.

The three Muslims argue that Stein cites 1) unrepresentative Muslims and 2) Muslims who are not from Canada. Both complaints are entirely specious. There are countless examples of Islamic hate speech, and surveys, such as the Pew, bear out that large numbers of Muslims support suicide bombing and believe terrorism is sometimes justified. The second point ignores the fact that Islam is not a race. As a religion, with doctrine spread around the world by Wahabbis and the Muslim Brotherhood, it is relevant to talk about Islam in a global context. The guests were in a sense asserting that there is a Canadian Islam, and that Canadians are somehow uniquely inoculated against the mainstream Islamic hatred that saturates their counterparts around the world.

It was correctly pointed out that Stein cannot be held responsible for citing an Imam who claimed that Muslims "breed like mosquitoes". They were not his words, and indeed, in a saner society like the US, that would not constitute a punishable offense. Who knows what the case is in Canada. In any event, a person does have every right to cite Mein Kampf as representative of large numbers of "whites" (their words, again, race not religion), and the general public has the right to criticize him for doing so. In fact, in a free society, a person should have the right to say that Muslims breed like mosquitoes, and the society has the right to shout down or ignore that individual if it so wishes. It does not have the right to silence that individual.

The sad part about the discussion is that it didn't address in much detail Steyn's points in his books and editorials.

These kids are going to be lawyers? Fail

I have the complete set of Youtube videos of Mark on The Agenda, The Hour, and Michael Coren Live here.

These three need to grow up and smell the flowers. If they want to write for Maclean's they need to pursue a career in journalism. Since when is a privately owned publication required to be 50% on one side and 50% on the other of any particular issue?

And they surely lack a sense of humor, take themselves too seriously.

Most of all they are ignorant of what is going on in the world. Because they don't want to be identified as Jihadists, or as those who would take over the world militarily (like all the other outspoken Islamics seem to be) they object to exaggeration that makes a point or humor that sends the point home. Instead of objecting to being seen by the world as a monolithic whole whose poster children are the refuse of humankind, they should rather be rooting that refuse out and exposing it for the abomination that it is.

You lead by example, not by whine. It isn't Mark that is holding them down...it is the face in the mirror.

Hi all,

Anyone aware of a website where I can find the complete texts of Ayman al-Zawahiri and Osama bin-Ladens audio messages to their satanic followers? I'm interested in compiling a list of quoted koranic texts that these two creeps have used to inspire their followers to carry out islamic terrorism.

One of the best ways we can make people aware of what the koran commands of it's followers is by making a public issue of the actual koronic texts that both Ayman al-Zawahiri and OBL use to justify their terrorist acts.

watching this video left me very anxious and with a headache

what it was, was 3 articulate people, all seeing very rational and reasonable and very much like the rest of us

and their message was

who are you going to believe, us or your lying eyes

us or all the behaviors and all the history and all the evidence of the suppression of and violence against non muslims in every single muslim majority country

these 3 people, seeming reasonable and looking just like us, kept up the mantra

who are you gonna believe, us or your lying eyes?

re: #82 sevoguy

have you tried MEMRI?

re: #78 Globular Cluster

The three Muslims argue that Stein cites 1) unrepresentative Muslims and 2) Muslims who are not from Canada. Both complaints are entirely specious.

Yep. I'd only add that as pertains to your second point, was not Steyn making the case that Europe will soon be at a crossroads owing to its shrinking native population and a burgeoning Muslim population? So, why not quote a Norwegian Imam? It only makes his case stronger.

BTW, I can't figure out why the video was of such high quality. I mean, I only have Vista.
:O

re: #78 Globular Cluster

Couldn't agree with you more. No refutations of the sources for Mr. Steyn's comments, only indignation that they are pointed out. Does Islam know any borders? Not that I have heard of.

Some of the camera shots of the triumvirate were very revealing too....lot's of touching (is that halal?) to say "don't go there" and lot's of water ingested once Mr. Steyn joined the group. I believe that the Pew poll (after really being analyzed and challenged) showed that many of the extremists were moved to the moderate category, so I was unimpressed with that argument.

Did anyone else think that the young lady on the right was a little smitten with Mr. Steyn.....uh oh...hope dada and the uncles aren't watching!

re: #86 Dhimmisum

Did anyone else think that the young lady on the right was a little smitten with Mr. Steyn.....

I didn't notice (or else wasn't paying attention). However, I did notice the smarmy, smirking lady on the left whenever Steyn spoke, as well as her and the guy's general refusal to look at Steyn when he spoke.

Good golly... anyone who can't view this better change computers. Very entertaining and informative. Mark Steyn is the Sweet King.

re: #87 solomonpanting

The one on the right..she seemed to be the only one who was looking while he talked....maybe even a little hair flip here and there...for the other two I think it is a supremacist thang!

I thought the host, Steve Paikin was surprisingly good actually. Very fair and balanced. Not like that tosser Avi Lewis. Out of interest, since I'm in the UK, do Canadians in general come across to Americans as smug, self-satisfied twats or is it just the Canadian media that gives this impression?

I have to admit the moderator was very very good.
Fair. Honest.
I didn't know these types of journalists existed anymore.

re: #90 didache

For me it's only the media...spent a decent amount of time in Toronto and found the natives to be gracious and friendly even to an Americano like me.

Money quote:

"The shut down of speech, the criminalizing of opinion, should be embarrassing to as old a settled democracy as Canada. I don't have as low an opinion of Canadians as these phony complainants and the Human Rights commission do."

Well put!

re: #90 didache

Well it is weird.
Canadians one on one are polite to a fault. They are very nice.
In fact, to a East Coaster (hate that term like Churchill hated "unpotable" for undrinkable) who wear our emotions openly, figuring out where you stand with them (and US Mid-Westerners) is a bit of a problem.

The other factor is that Canadians are deeply insecure about their status versus the US. This is really the Fredo Corelone (Godfather) problem.
They are the loyal sibling that did everything right and have nothing to show for it. No love from the UK. No power. No status in the world. No respect.
The US is the angry prodigal son, who is now running the family business.
What makes this worse is that Canada really isn't that different from the US. Especially on an individual level.
Their favourite pastry is the Boston Creme donut (yeah, Tom Hortons).

So, they tend to make their policy and self-esteem decisions based off of NOT being like the US, instead of BEING like Canada.

This means, that is when the US tacks right, they (like a repulsing magnet) tack left.

They also have the "free rider" luxury. The US will never allow them to be invaded. So, they don't have to supply their own military and defend themselves. This also works with health care. State care fails; go to the US.
They can always take the high moral ground in any situation, because in the end the US will sort things out and they don't have to sweat the details just advocate the most ethical choice.

This means, that they can go even further left.
And without a military, they can have far more money to spend of social programs.
This kind of puts you in that 3 year old child situation; when life was good, no real work had to be done, no one really tried to do anything to you, and you lived in a bit of a cocoon from life's troubles. Because your parents (Mom-government, Dad-US) would take care of everything for you.

So, in normal interaction Canadians are extremely polite (for the most part human beings and all that). However, they do get smug and self-righteous about their government and social welfare systems.
And, if you had the luxury of living a a cocoon, wouldn't you be a bit smug?

In one word; Argumentum ad Islamophobium.

Ok, 3, but you gotta admit, it's about time to put the 'phobia' where it belongs, for Steyn to retort with it would have been precious.

But I'd say what those 3 did was more akin to Argumentum ad Indirectum (excuse the pun), by which they accuse A of commiting B thru C but charge C for refusing them D to counter the B done by A, without proving that A actually commited B, thru C or otherwise, or that a reasonable D was not actually offered by C. And they sure found some canadian kangaroos to go along with it.

#82 sevoguy

If you want quotes from the Qur'an, Hadith and Sira just go to Jihad Watch and get all the latest "mouthings" from their religious and political leaders and their media.
and research their archives and links

re: #39 oronpam

Wish the republican ticket was Petraeus/Steyn.......I'd sleep better at night.

I second that and I don't even live in the US.

This is a Must Watch!....& should be mandatory viewing in the public schools for grades 8-12 under 'loud&arrogant FLAP vs. a well read & educated stance'. Teach your children to Think, Read, & then Think again! Go Mark Steyn!

I just watched the whole show and it is terrific.

"the THINK POLICE..... &..... the Greatest Story of Our TIME! & 'HIDING BEHIND FACTS!'" O my fluffy feelings......O fluff.....O hatred & contempt....O REALITY! GO MARK S.!

'Hallmarks of hate'! O my.....& 'what will likely result in acts of'......*gasp*....'hatred'........O!....& BTW.....they do not mean getting your throat slit by jihad-adherents.........nope.....jus'pointing out the truth of What's-Going-Down means you hate. WAKE UP AMERICA!...it's called wordspeak/1984......& it's here for your consumption...."pass the dancin'spell my way...i PROMISE to go under it!...O Hell YES!" Zappa/BeefHeart

The video is a bit slow in loading, but it played O.K. for me. This is an on-air T.V. confrontation between Steyn and the three Canadian Muslim law students at Osborne Hall, Ontario (a prestigious Canadian law school) who filed the human rights complaint with the Ontario "Human Rights" Commission against MacClean's magazine for alleged "hate speech" against Muslims.

Steyn wins this debate, and in the process exposes the efforts of western Muslims with sophisticated legal training to use the human rights commissions to shut down speech that they find biased and offensive to Muslims. Even if Steyn were, in theory, completely biased and offensive in his treatment of Muslims (and he is careful to limit his criticism to extremist Muslims and to the moral, cultural, and legal confusion created by the multiculturalism of western liberals), he still would have a right to speak.

That's the point the Muslim law students don't get. What are they teaching students at Osborne Hall, an allegedly "top" Canadian law school, about free speech?

These students are disingenuously claiming that they are being "censored" unless they get to write an op-ed in Macleans. They forget (or more likely know but don't care) that Macleans isn't their personal forum. Macleans is a private organization that has no duty to allow rebuttal to anything they say.

I also wonder if those quite attractive Muslimas wear veils in their private life. It would not surprise me that they do, but took them off to mislead infidels.

I was amazed at the end of that interview that a Muslim would dare attempt to slam (presumably Christian) whites for supposedly having anti-Semitic views about Jews.

I got a great laugh when the really cute brunette said "Laws are evolving" in reference to including quotes from the sources as actionable offenses if they are accurately repeated in publication. Steyn just guffawed, and the moderator said, "excuse me?" but she kept on going. Great young legal minds at work. This is the logic in which the Obamaniacs are gestated.

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