Citizens Trapped by Clashes in Beirut
Fri, May 9, 2008 at 1:09:48 pm PDT
A first person account from Beirut by Charles Chuman: Pajamas Media: Beirut Clashes Trap Citizens.
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Fri, May 9, 2008 at 1:09:48 pm PDT
A first person account from Beirut by Charles Chuman: Pajamas Media: Beirut Clashes Trap Citizens.
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P. Aaron Fri, May 9, 2008 1:11:02pm |
We should have helped Israel wipe out the Hezbos long ago.
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debutaunt Fri, May 9, 2008 1:12:56pm |
re: #2 bosforus
Valentina. Paging Mr. Valentine.
She's a lady.
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WrathofG-d Fri, May 9, 2008 1:13:53pm |
Humanitarian Crisis?
/remember how the MSM reported on this when Israel was at war with Hiz'b'satan?
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Maximu§ Fri, May 9, 2008 1:14:19pm |
Wasn't Beirut the Riviera of the Middle East at one time?
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wahabicorridor Fri, May 9, 2008 1:15:49pm |
Ziad asks succinctly, “Was this a coup? Hezbollah took land, but does not control the state.
Correct Ziad. Tehran controls the state.
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Ben Hur Fri, May 9, 2008 1:17:27pm |
Are they trapped in bomb shelters while the world ignores them?
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maddogg Fri, May 9, 2008 1:18:12pm |
A local pub owner spent Thursday night in his pub eating steak, watching TV, and listening to the Hezbollah, Amal, and Syrian Social Nationalist Party gunmen fire at opponents in the street. He says, “I was doubly trapped. There was fighting around my pub, and there was fighting in the area around my house. I had no choice.”
Sorry, but thats bullshit. You people made the choice long ago to let these animals roam around armed and free without opposition. Now you whine and complain that you "had no choice". I say again, bullshit. The fact that you claim victim-hood relieves me of any obligation to feel bad for you. You made your bed of dung, now sleep in it.
Freedom and security is a product of a responsible populace, not a government agency.
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Sharmuta Fri, May 9, 2008 1:18:29pm |
The Lebanese Army and the Internal Security Forces (ISF) did not participate in the fighting. Hezbollah faced little opposition to its takeover of the city. Druze leader Walid Jumblatt publicly declared that he put his faith in the Lebanese government, and would not allow Hezbollah’s militia to force private citizens and political parties, including his well-armed Progressive Socialist Party, into a clash.
This sounds like suicide.
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WrathofG-d Fri, May 9, 2008 1:18:59pm |
re: #12 Ben Hur
I think you mean:"where are the pictures of the poor family members of the Hiz'b'satan members crying and being chased from their homes by the vicious Lebanese army"
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Ben Hur Fri, May 9, 2008 1:19:24pm |
I'm the wrong person to be posting on this thread.
Going back.
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Alouette Fri, May 9, 2008 1:20:09pm |
re: #12 Ben Hur
Are they trapped in bomb shelters while the world ignores them?
Those are the citizens of Sderot.
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alegrias Fri, May 9, 2008 1:21:43pm |
Silly Zapatero's got three Spanish Tennis Women trapped in Beirut--how much will Spain pay in bribes & tribute for their release?
[Link: www.larazon.es...]
Last week Somali pirates kidnapped Spanish boats & Spain payed the terrorists ransom.
So much for Zapatero's Alliance of Civilization With Murderers
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Hucbald Fri, May 9, 2008 1:22:16pm |
I'm confused. This doesn't sound like a peaceful inner struggle for personal betterment.
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antishock8 Fri, May 9, 2008 1:22:36pm |
There will be very little coverage of this since it's Muslims waging war. We can't keep promulgating the errouneous and racist idea that Muslims are somehow violent. That would be bad.
Any chance we can get some Jews in Lebanon to defend themselves? Then we'll have the AP all over this conflict in typical Pallywood fashion.
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wahabicorridor Fri, May 9, 2008 1:22:46pm |
re: #14 Sharmuta
This sounds like suicide.
It sounds like collusion on the part of the Lebanese military.
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akak Fri, May 9, 2008 1:22:49pm |
re: #14 Sharmuta
This sounds like suicide.
or
intelligence agencies have long suspected that Iran has an important SIGINT site in Beirut, and that hub is likely hard-wired into the new network.
iftc
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coquimbojoe Fri, May 9, 2008 1:23:03pm |
re: #19 alegrias
Silly Zapatero's got three Spanish Tennis Women trapped in Beirut--how much will Spain pay in bribes & tribute for their release?
[Link: www.larazon.es...]
Last week Somali pirates kidnapped Spanish boats & Spain payed the terrorists ransom.
So much for Zapatero's Alliance of Civilization With Murderers
Hey Spain you can make that ransom check out to CoquimboJoe and mail it to.....
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VegasRick Fri, May 9, 2008 1:23:33pm |
re: #24 Peacekeeper
God protect the innocent.
All six of them.
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alegrias Fri, May 9, 2008 1:23:53pm |
re: #24 Peacekeeper
God protect the innocent.
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Cause the UN won't
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Lizard by the Bay Fri, May 9, 2008 1:25:54pm |
Right now downtown Baghdad is about 20 times safer than downtown Beirut. I wonder when the press will actually start using the phrase "civil war" that they couldn't wait to whip out over Iraq. My guess is never.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, May 9, 2008 1:26:16pm |
OT:
Barack Obama sacks adviser over talks with Hamas
One of Barack Obama’s Middle East policy advisers disclosed today that he had held meetings with the militant Palestinian group Hamas - prompting the likely Democratic nominee to sever all links with him.
Robert Malley told The Times he had regularly been in contact with Hamas, which controls Gaza but is listed by the US State Department as a terrorist organisation. Such talks, he stressed, were related to his work for a conflict resolution think tank and had no connection with his position on Mr Obama's Middle East advisory council.
“I’ve never hidden the fact that in my job with the International Crisis Group I meet all kinds of people,” he added.
But Ben LaBolt, a spokesman for Mr Obama, responded swiftly, saying: "Rob Malley has, like hundreds of other experts, provided informal advice to the campaign in the past. He has no formal role in the campaign and he will not play any role in the future."
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hayseed Fri, May 9, 2008 1:27:09pm |
A local pub owner spent Thursday night in his pub eating steak, watching TV, and listening to the Hezbollah, Amal, and Syrian Social Nationalist Party gunmen fire at opponents in the street. He says, “I was doubly trapped. There was fighting around my pub, and there was fighting in the area around my house. I had no choice
what no beer
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Else Fri, May 9, 2008 1:27:43pm |
From this source:
Lebanon's ruling majority condemned Hezbollah for switching from a "fighter against Israel into a fighter against Lebanon."
It was (and still is) totally fine with the "majority" when Hisbollah targeted israeli civilians and bombed their houses....This war was the matter of time. Lebanese were warned long time ago - and now all they do is stupid, toothless condemnations.
Will it wake them up eventually? I hope so, but I doubt.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, May 9, 2008 1:27:58pm |
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alegrias Fri, May 9, 2008 1:28:00pm |
re: #29 NJDhockeyfan
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Uh-oh, someone's growing a spine.
McCain's criticisms of Hamas supporting Obama are working.
I'm swooning!
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rawmuse Fri, May 9, 2008 1:29:36pm |
There are many Christians there who should leave whenever they can.
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Buddyg Fri, May 9, 2008 1:30:16pm |
This kinda seems like the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand.
The start of something BIG
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Thanos Fri, May 9, 2008 1:30:21pm |
"posters of Assad" ... sounds ominous, I really do hope someone has eyes on Bekaa & elsewhere, this could be distraction / feint.
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EC Marm Fri, May 9, 2008 1:30:58pm |
re: #34 rawmuse
There are many Christians there who should leave whenever they can.
Turn Lebanon over to the islamists? Just like that, abandon your homes and flee?
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rabidfox Fri, May 9, 2008 1:31:13pm |
Algeria, I'm not. I suspect that you're missing a sac tag. But Obama again once is seen to surround himself with questionable people and he doesn"t do anything about it until someone else makes a stink. What kind of cabinet will he come up with.
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gymnast Fri, May 9, 2008 1:31:38pm |
re: #30 hayseed
A local pub owner spent Thursday night in his pub eating steak, watching TV, and listening to the Hezbollah, Amal, and Syrian Social Nationalist Party gunmen fire at opponents in the street. He says, “I was doubly trapped. There was fighting around my pub, and there was fighting in the area around my house. I had no choice
what no beer
Might as well eat the steak before it spoils. He may be eating dogs in a week. If he's still alive.
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rawmuse Fri, May 9, 2008 1:31:39pm |
re: #37 EC Marm
Turn Lebanon over to the islamists? Just like that, abandon your homes and flee?
OR wait to be killed?
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offendi Fri, May 9, 2008 1:31:39pm |
Well you know part of the problem is George and Condi's very sophisticated approach to conducting international affairs when you have gutter dwellers and thugs on the other side that don't exactly understand all those intelligent machinations, only brute force.
George should get on the horn to his good buddies in Saudi Arabia and tell them to start spending all those big oil dollars they are sucking out of us on training and arming a real Lebanese army that will actually fight to preserve a pro-western government.
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maddogg Fri, May 9, 2008 1:31:47pm |
re: #34 rawmuse
There are many Christians there who should leave whenever they can.
I suggest they take up arms against their oppressors. Make them leave.
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rawmuse Fri, May 9, 2008 1:33:01pm |
re: #43 maddogg
I agree, but these are Christians. They are more than likely docile and unarmed.
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gymnast Fri, May 9, 2008 1:33:12pm |
re: #35 Buddyg
This kinda seems like the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand.
The start of something BIG
Irans great world power gamble may well have entered another phase.
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maddogg Fri, May 9, 2008 1:33:56pm |
re: #46 rawmuse
I agree, but these are Christians. They are more than likely docile and unarmed.
And thats how you become oppressed.
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Russkilitlover Fri, May 9, 2008 1:34:10pm |
"Clashes." Wow. Sounds so civilized. Kinda like peaceful protesters just having a few loud words with the opposition.
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EC Marm Fri, May 9, 2008 1:35:06pm |
re: #3 song_and_dance_man
Bullet casing line the sidewalks of West Beirut. However, damage to buildings and other infrastructure appears to be minimal. It appears that a good portion of the weapons fired were intended only to intimidate. West Beirut resident Faisal claims, “They hit some things, but I think it was accidental. I had a full view of the snipers and the RPGs on the roofs. They fired a lot, but primarily into the air.”Strange.
Intimidation and terror. Pages 1 and 2 of the islamists playbook. Chase the Christians out of the country by creating a hell on earth. Then declare another great victory for allah and expansion of the caliphate. Not so strange to me.
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Silhouette Fri, May 9, 2008 1:36:18pm |
The loud weapons being fired ended suddenly on Friday afternoon with Hezbollah in full occupation of Beirut
Huge news.
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akak Fri, May 9, 2008 1:36:50pm |
Is it just me or was a big ole American boat parked off of Lebanese shores about 2 weeks ago for this sort of thing?
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jcm Fri, May 9, 2008 1:38:13pm |
The one thing I hold against RWR....
With drawing from Beirut after the Marine Barracks bombing.
Course the hole mess could have been avoid of Rabbit Bait hadn't bent over and spread 'em for the Mad Mullahs.
sigh
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nyc redneck Fri, May 9, 2008 1:38:16pm |
re: #39 winston06
It's in nature of Islam to trap people and seize places
that sounds kind of funny and i laughed, but actually it's a perfect description of islam and what it does. it has always trapped people and seized places, since it began.
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Else Fri, May 9, 2008 1:40:02pm |
re: #45 BuddyG
When military gives green light to the terrorist, citizens have virtually no power against a bunch of bloodthursty animal-butchers with weapon. Unless you are well organized for fight - you are doomed . The best thing to do - to save your children from horrific death!
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BuddyG Fri, May 9, 2008 1:41:39pm |
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maddogg Fri, May 9, 2008 1:44:39pm |
re: #57 BuddyG
Long live the 2nd amendment !
Glad I'm an American.
Just remember, there are millions of leftist morons who would take that right away from you is given a chance, and many more fools who would not even give it a thought while it was happening.
/always vigilant, or lost.
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Opinionated Fri, May 9, 2008 1:45:11pm |
re: #42 offendi
Well you know part of the problem is George and Condi's very sophisticated approach to conducting international affairs when you have gutter dwellers and thugs on the other side......
I'm glad you called them gutter dwellers and thugs, according to the new US government rules if you had called them Islamics, Muslims, Jihadist, or anything similar, you would have to be punished.
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jamgarr Fri, May 9, 2008 1:47:37pm |
It appears that a good portion of the weapons fired were intended only to intimidate. West Beirut resident Faisal claims, “They hit some things, but I think it was accidental. I had a full view of the snipers and the RPGs on the roofs. They fired a lot, but primarily into the air.”
Oh, I get it - nothing to see here, move along - and if you get shot please rest assured that it was an accident.
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BuddyG Fri, May 9, 2008 1:49:53pm |
re: #60 jamgarr
It's not a war unless someone gets shot.
It's not pre-marital sex unless you intend to get married afterwards.
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CAD Daddy Fri, May 9, 2008 1:50:04pm |
The Lebanese Army... did not participate in the fighting.
WTF?! What are they there for then?
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jamgarr Fri, May 9, 2008 1:52:26pm |
re: #62 CAD Daddy
The Lebanese Army... did not participate in the fighting.
WTF?! What are they there for then?
They have a mean weekly Pinoccle game with UNIFIL.
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akak Fri, May 9, 2008 1:55:09pm |
US pondering response to Beirut violence
Published: 05.09.08, 23:36 / Israel News
The United States is conferring with the UN Security Council and others in the Middle East about possible measures against those responsible for the recent violence in Beirut, the White House said on Friday.
The White House has accused the Iranian-backed group Hizbullah of inciting the violence in the Lebanese capital and routing forces loyal to the US-backed government. (Reuters)
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Thanos Fri, May 9, 2008 1:58:26pm |
re: #52 akak
Is it just me or was a big ole American boat parked off of Lebanese shores about 2 weeks ago for this sort of thing?
They wait for signs of Syria or Iranian forces across the border I think.
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Ma Sands Fri, May 9, 2008 2:03:16pm |
re: #51 Silhouette
Huge news.The loud weapons being fired ended suddenly on Friday afternoon with Hezbollah in full occupation of Beirut
So, does that mean this LiveLeak report was overturned.....?
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NY Nana Fri, May 9, 2008 2:04:08pm |
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jonmayer Fri, May 9, 2008 2:08:03pm |
Send in the Israelis! That will end the in-fighting.
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Else Fri, May 9, 2008 2:12:42pm |
re: #62 CAD Daddy
Lebanese army is very much on the Hisbollah's side. Big mess. No 2nd. amendment. From there
Jumblatt tells New TV ": "Will conduct of an officer in the army require the resistance from transforming itself into a militia ? We want to know who governs the country ?" Jumblatt was referring to the Shiite officer Shockair who was fired for colluding with Hezbollah in the spying on the airport
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Fasternu426 Fri, May 9, 2008 2:19:08pm |
Maybe all those French Peacekeepers will do something?
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Fri, May 9, 2008 3:48:34pm |
As Iran uses Hizbollah to anchor her his Western most point of their Shia Crescent on the Med:
Everyone kept insisting it was not a civil war, but jumping for cover as a rocket-propelled grenade slammed into the apartment block beside us, and masked gunmen fired deafening salvos across the road dividing Sunni and Shia neighbourhoods of Beirut...."It is impossible for Shia to shoot on Sunnis," insisted a military commander of Shia opposition group Amal, allied with Shia militant group Hezbollah....
[...]
But his words were cut short by machine-gun fire from the Sunni neighbourhood across the road in the central Beirut neighbourhood of Mazraa....
[...]“We will control Beirut militarily”
The Amal{ed: Hezbollah} commander said on the night of 8 May that dialogue between the two sides was now off the table and vowed his fighters would take military control of Sunni areas of Beirut.
"God willing, we will control Beirut militarily and then we can catch all the traitors and then decide on a president and government."
Blaky, blaky time.
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J'accuzzi Fri, May 9, 2008 5:42:44pm |
This always seems to happen when the west's bribe money is late and Iran's is early. It was better in the old days when drug farming and drug smuggling kept both sides busy most of the time. Suppose the travel and charter outfits are drooling over all the money that will be thrown around again to "save" all those "American" and "Canadian" citizens south of the Litani who will be demanding evacuation again at taxpayers expense.
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