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And Now for Some Finger Picking

Fri, May 9, 2008 at 6:20:29 pm PDT

Here’s Andy McKee with Ebon Coast from his album The Gates of Gnomeria.

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1 Sharmuta  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:22:31pm

Very nice. Thanks, Charles!

2 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:24:36pm
3 Izzy Dunne  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:26:00pm

The man has more fingers than I do.

It's not fair!

4 maddogg  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:27:57pm

First class.

5 MandyManners  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:30:53pm

Don't know about the title but, the song is good.

6 markx  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:32:24pm

Way better than McNutt on O'Reilly.

Thanks for the vid.

7 Perry  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:32:39pm

I love his Art of Motion.

8 christheprofessor  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:33:49pm

Good evening, all...

Very nice pickin'...

9 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:34:50pm
10 Reno911  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:34:59pm

Andy McKee is amazing. I have always admired guitarists who can accompany themselves, finger pick and.never.miss.a.note. I saw Joe Bonamassa last week and he was amazing also. Izzy, I'm with you...not fair.

11 MandyManners  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:35:00pm

I feel as if I'm in a buggy bumping over a country road, rolling along a babbling brook.

12 Ma Sands  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:35:34pm

Sigh..... ): --every time Charles posts one of these, I send the link on to my youngest son, the musician......and get word back he enjoyed it so much he went searching for more, to the detriment of the college homework he was supposed to be doing.....


/ :)

13 Thanos  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:38:42pm

Ebon coast is the first "whole album" that I've bought since about 2000. The whole thing is great.

14 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:38:45pm

Honestly now, he should be taxed & equal portions of his ability & technique should be distributed to those that are less gifted...

/

15 maddogg  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:39:46pm

re: #14 slokat

Honestly now, he should be taxed & equal portions of his ability & technique should be distributed to those that are less gifted...

/


Hillary? Is that you?

16 Yankee Division Son  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:40:51pm

Good stuff...

17 bloodnok  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:41:49pm

The Gnome (Pink Floyd)

18 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:43:23pm

Very nice music, Charles, thanks.

Good evening everyone.

19 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:44:12pm
20 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:44:47pm

re: #15 maddogg

my ankles are smaller....

21 slartybartfast  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:45:25pm

With all that's happening in the world, it's seems oddly righteous to post one of the few things--maybe the only thing--that can be found on Earth that we may also expect to find in Heaven: music.

22 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:45:33pm

re: #8 christheprofessor
Hi there. How is your pup doing?

23 Reno911  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:45:53pm

re: #14 slokat

Perfect analogy. While I would love to able to play like Andy, if that kind of ability was just handed to me, I would not appreciate it. Half the fun of playing guitar is progressing from stage to stage.

Kind of a metaphor for life eh?

24 bloodnok  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:45:53pm

The Gnome (ELP)

25 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:46:16pm
26 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:48:11pm

re: #23 Reno911

life, politics, what's fair.....

27 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:48:38pm

re: #25 song_and_dance_man

It's what's above the ankles that is troubling.

Eeeeeewwwww! PLEASE! A warning when you're posting that kind of pr0n!

28 AmeriDan  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:49:14pm

re: #25 song_and_dance_man

It's what's above the ankles that is troubling.

*hurls dinner*

29 christheprofessor  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:49:18pm

re: #22 Pvt Bin Jammin

Hi there. How is your pup doing?

Howdy! Spectabulous, thanks for asking. On the couch beside me, just chewin' on a huge rawhide...

30 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:50:52pm

re: #29 christheprofessor

Howdy! Spectabulous, thanks for asking. On the couch beside me, just chewin' on a huge rawhide...

All together now....Aaawww!

/she's so darned cute!

31 maddogg  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:51:39pm

re: #20 slokat

my ankles are smaller....

So are mine:)

32 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:52:08pm

Thanks I needed that.

Someone hacked my and my wife's Warcraft accounts and cleared out everything we had. Complete loss of everything we've worked up for 2 years. We had been looking forward to some raiding with some friends this weekend.

/sorry needed to vent.

33 Reno911  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:52:49pm

re: #26 slokat

I think equality of opportunity is all that is required. That's why politicians are so corrosive. This country has equality of opportunity. Success at something is just a function of how hard you are willing to work. Alas, like playing the guitar.

34 lawhawk  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:53:31pm

re: #24 bloodnok

Toccata.

35 maddogg  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:54:59pm

re: #32 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Thanks I needed that.

Someone hacked my and my wife's Warcraft accounts and cleared out everything we had. Complete loss of everything we've worked up for 2 years. We had been looking forward to some raiding with some friends this weekend.

/sorry needed to vent.

Sorry to hear that, truly.

36 Q-Burn  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:55:16pm
37 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:55:17pm
38 christheprofessor  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:55:21pm

re: #30 Grammy Cracker

On my shit list, though. While I let a an out-of-town friend's dog out, she chewed my ceiling-lining in my car (it had started to sag)....

39 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:56:41pm

re: #33 Reno911

100% in agreement!

hence the initial sarc tag ----> /

40 bloodnok  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:56:49pm

re: #34 lawhawk

Toccata.

Whoa-live. Never seen that. Thanks!

41 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:57:37pm
42 nyc redneck  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:57:40pm

re: #37 song_and_dance_man

B. Hussein with a Cackle do.

look how thrilled he is w/ that cackle do. he looks great. LOL

43 Phil N Blanx  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:58:35pm

The perfect music to wine down with after a tough week. Thanks.

44 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:59:53pm
45 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 9, 2008 6:59:56pm

re: #38 christheprofessor

On my shit list, though. While I let a an out-of-town friend's dog out, she chewed my ceiling-lining in my car (it had started to sag)....

I tell all of mine, all the time, that if they weren't so cute, I'd kick 'em to the curb (or sell them to the gypsies). My especially sassy bitch, Cocoa Chanel, thinks her given name is Cocoa Dammit!

/every minute of frustration, anger, work, heartbreak and pain is countered with an hour of joy.

46 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:00:01pm

re: #29 christheprofessor
Better than chewing on a carseat. LOL I still don't trust my dog not to do that.

47 bloodnok  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:00:45pm

re: #41 song_and_dance_man

I was there. Cal Jam 1974.

How thoroughly cool. I would love to have seen them in that era.

48 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:00:50pm

re: #43 Phil N Blanx

The perfect music to wine down with after a tough week. Thanks.

I prefer to wine down every evening.... LOL

49 nyc redneck  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:00:51pm

well, the rain stopped long enough this afternoon for me to go out w/ a fishing pole and get the bag worms out of the apple tress. i hate those things. they are horrible. they can strip a tree in a wk.

50 Thanos  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:01:04pm

re: #38 christheprofessor

On my shit list, though. While I let a an out-of-town friend's dog out, she chewed my ceiling-lining in my car (it had started to sag)....


Well now you can do that hand tooled leather one you've always dreamed of making...

51 freetoken  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:01:48pm

re: #19 song_and_dance_man

Looks like McCain really put a damper on the evening.

That might be disturbingly prophetic...

52 Thanos  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:02:27pm

My pup's been chasing stick all evening, and playing keep away. She's sleeping now.

53 nyc redneck  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:03:25pm

re: #52 Thanos

My pup's been chasing stick all evening, and playing keep away. She's sleeping now.

mine's sleeping too. drying his coat by the fire place.

54 Perry  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:04:05pm

re: #32 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Hate that. Some people have no class at all. I will pass along the warning.

55 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:05:59pm
56 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:06:10pm

re: #54 Perry

Hate that. Some people have no class at all. I will pass along the warning.

What pisses me off more than anything is we just got geared up for a new zone and tonight was going to be our first run thru it. Now we got to wait till we can see what we can recover and the raid got canced since we couldn't make it

57 Perry  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:09:32pm

re: #56 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

He says he knew someone whose soon-to-be ex cleaned him out and gave the gold away. Did your character get killed?

58 itellu3times  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:09:57pm

re: #49 nyc redneck

well, the rain stopped long enough this afternoon for me to go out w/ a fishing pole and get the bag worms out of the apple tress. i hate those things. they are horrible. they can strip a tree in a wk.

You missed one.

(I don't know from bag worms, but I know tomato worms, and these little bastids on the roses ...)

59 The Shadow Do  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:10:31pm

re: #38 christheprofessor

On my shit list, though. While I let a an out-of-town friend's dog out, she chewed my ceiling-lining in my car (it had started to sag)....

Had a dog that ate my car............from the inside out.

Best damn dog I ever had. Miss her. forgave her even though I had to drive that car for two years with gloves on to keep from tearing up my hands on the well chewed steering wheel.

60 bloodnok  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:11:07pm
61 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:11:37pm

re: #57 Perry

He says he knew someone whose soon-to-be ex cleaned him out and gave the gold away. Did your character get killed?

No, it doesnt work like that if you die in game. Plus it was me and the wife, we both got cleaned out.

62 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:13:10pm

re: #61 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

No, it doesnt work like that if you die in game. Plus it was me and the wife, we both got cleaned out.

Color me clueless! I thought someone had stolen your bank account....

/THAT happened to me. Really sucks, too.

63 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:13:56pm

re: #59 The Shadow Do
OMG I thought having my loveseat chewed up was bad.

64 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:15:01pm

re: #61 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

is there recompense? some way to show you were hacked & be restored?

I'm a gamer for many years, but not online since my connection is in the middle of nowhere, webwise.

Hence, no clue what the solutions might be...

65 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:15:18pm
66 Perry  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:15:41pm

re: #61 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Crap. Sorry.

Although,

Color me clueless! I thought someone had stolen your bank account....

that takes a little of the sting out.

67 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:15:51pm

re: #62 Grammy Cracker

Color me clueless! I thought someone had stolen your bank account....

/THAT happened to me. Really sucks, too.

I had to check all that too. Went thru all my accounts and anything I access thru either of our PCs to see if anything else got hacked. Just our game accounts, but that was a big hit for us. We basically gave up on TV years ago, but put in a few hours a night on our game, chatting with friends and doing stuff.

68 Perry  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:16:25pm

Life lessons thread.

69 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:16:29pm

Hhmmm, just thinking so far we've gone from picking to pickpockets... (in several ways)...

70 nyc redneck  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:17:33pm

re: #58 itellu3times

You missed one.

(I don't know from bag worms, but I know tomato worms, and these little bastids on the roses ...)

oh, i missed quite afew. they will regroup and respin their hideous cocoon, but i will do another 'sweep' tomorrow. and then the next day. i will win. i used to use a lighted torch and burn them out but my friend said the fire might scare the trees. lol and not wanting to frighten a tree i went to the fishing pole technique.

71 christheprofessor  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:17:37pm

re: CtP

Heh. I can't stay mad at her -- she's happily chewing a huge rawhide.... And, being the FNDT, I'm happily drinking...

72 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:17:38pm

re: #64 slokat

is there recompense? some way to show you were hacked & be restored?

I'm a gamer for many years, but not online since my connection is in the middle of nowhere, webwise.

Hence, no clue what the solutions might be...

We just started that process. We had to make sure we secure and only put in the recovery request in about an hour ago. It usually takes them a few days to restore you since they do an investigation to see what happens and prevent scammers getting free stuff.

73 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:17:56pm

re: #68 Perry

Life lessons thread.

Some are more expensive than others...

Good evening, Lizards.

74 jainphx  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:18:03pm

Had an old dog that was a junk collector, I mean he dragged everything into the yard. The one that had me really scared was the day he came with a warm baby bottle with milk. Never found out or heard a complaint.

75 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:19:03pm

re: #70 nyc redneck

Yes! never scare a tree! They are slow to respond, but you'll never know what to expect.

/

76 nyc redneck  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:19:19pm

re: #62 Grammy Cracker

Color me clueless! I thought someone had stolen your bank account....

/THAT happened to me. Really sucks, too.

that's what i thought too.

77 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:20:40pm

re: #63 Pvt Bin Jammin

OMG I thought having my loveseat chewed up was bad.

Custom-made Tony Lama boots... He only ate the uh, ahem, well, uh... lizard skin portion.

/suddenly I feel so....cannibalistic.

78 snowcrash  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:21:39pm

TV really stinks on Friday night. Gives me even more reason to sympathise with Kragar and his WoW acct.

79 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:22:48pm

re: #74 jainphx

We have a fairly young pup that has found and chewed on every old piece of trash hidden in the far recesses of the yard.... wish we could harness that talent.

80 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:23:42pm

re: #67 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I had to check all that too. Went thru all my accounts and anything I access thru either of our PCs to see if anything else got hacked. Just our game accounts, but that was a big hit for us. We basically gave up on TV years ago, but put in a few hours a night on our game, chatting with friends and doing stuff.

It's still such a violation! I hope you can recover what you've lost. I did.

I check every bank account and credit card Grandpa Cracker and I have, online, every day. That way, if there is any funny business, I can shut it down immediately. Don't think that helps much in your situation, though....

81 Charles  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:24:15pm

Previously unseen posters are still showing up in the Expelled thread. They seem to be working in shifts.

82 Thanos  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:24:17pm

Here's that sleepy puppy I was talking about, just took a photo, click on the thumbnail here.

83 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:24:20pm

re: #74 jainphx

Had an old dog that was a junk collector, I mean he dragged everything into the yard. The one that had me really scared was the day he came with a warm baby bottle with milk. Never found out or heard a complaint.

My neighbor has a dog kind of like that. She keeps digging through my garden and stealing my radishes, of all things.

84 jainphx  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:25:20pm

re: #79 slokat

Loved that old dog, I know that he couldn't have harmed anyone he was so gentle, still he had to have taken that bottle right from the baby.

85 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:25:30pm

Good (yawn) night, Lizards. Sleep well.

86 The Shadow Do  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:25:39pm

re: #63 Pvt Bin Jammin

OMG I thought having my loveseat chewed up was bad.

Well, not so much bad as maybe uncomfortable? I really made an impression when dating back in the day with that car. Hey, at least my dog liked me!

Best damn dog I ever had. What was she thinking at the time? This car tastes good?

87 Killian Bundy  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:25:39pm

re: #72 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

We just started that process. We had to make sure we secure and only put in the recovery request in about an hour ago. It usually takes them a few days to restore you since they do an investigation to see what happens and prevent scammers getting free stuff.

Welcome to BuyMMOAccounts.com

/in case you don't get them back

88 Thanos  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:25:44pm

re: #81 Charles

Previously unseen posters are still showing up in the Expelled thread. They seem to be working in shifts.

Omigosh they are worse than VB/GoV supporters in persistence. Are we sure that's not part of the crowd?

89 nyc redneck  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:25:46pm

re: #82 Thanos

Here's that sleepy puppy I was talking about, just took a photo, click on the thumbnail here.

is that cute pup an australian cattle dog?

90 buddyg  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:26:04pm

re: #77 Grammy Cracker

Custom-made Tony Lama boots...


Llamas are dangerous, so if you see one where people are swimming, you shout:

Cuidado cuidado cuidado Llamas
Cuidado cuidado cuidado Llamas
Ole!
(Look out, there are llamas!)

91 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:26:25pm

re: #77 Grammy Cracker
Oh noes! Just the lizard part?

I forgot to mention the pocket flap on my husband's leather jacket, etc, etc.

I love my little guy but he is pretty bad that way and he is over two years old already.

92 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:27:11pm

re: #82 Thanos

Here's that sleepy puppy I was talking about, just took a photo, click on the thumbnail here.

Awwwww! Is she an Australian Cattle Dog?

93 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:28:09pm

re: #89 nyc redneck

Looks Ausie Shep...

94 jainphx  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:28:15pm

re: #82 Thanos

No disrespect to Cat loving Lizards, but dogs rock. That dog of yours looks so peaceful, as if he had no cares.

95 Thanos  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:28:19pm

re: #89 nyc redneck

is that cute pup an australian cattle dog?

Yes, she's a blue merle Austrailian shepherd. ( so called because they are really from the US Southwest, but were originally used to herd Australian sheep) It's in the blood, she tries to herd us going up and downstairs and will run circles around the other dogs until they are backed into a corner of the yard. Zero training in herding.

96 Noam Sayin'  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:28:21pm

re: #49 nyc redneck

well, the rain stopped long enough this afternoon for me to go out w/ a fishing pole and get the bag worms out of the apple tress. i hate those things. they are horrible. they can strip a tree in a wk.

How's the fishing pole used?

97 Sharmuta  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:28:40pm

re: #88 Thanos

Omigosh they are worse than VB/GoV supporters in persistence. Are we sure that's not part of the crowd?

The way they keep bringing up hitler- you have to wonder.

98 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:28:45pm

re: #87 Killian Bundy

Welcome to BuyMMOAccounts.com

/in case you don't get them back

Its the gold services like that which are behind a lot of the hacking.

99 MandyManners  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:28:46pm

re: #81 Charles

Previously unseen posters are still showing up in the Expelled thread. They seem to be working in shifts.

100 pat  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:29:03pm

You cannot run to that music.

101 Thanos  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:29:44pm

Well heck I might as well head down there.

102 The Shadow Do  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:30:18pm

re: #94 jainphx

No disrespect to Cat loving Lizards, but dogs rock. That dog of yours looks so peaceful, as if he had no cares.

Or dead?


*runs away*

103 pat  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:30:21pm

re: #81 Charles

Previously unseen posters are still showing up in the Expelled thread. They seem to be working in shifts.

I saw where tfk went in for a second kill. lol

104 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:31:04pm

re: #101 Thanos

Well heck I might as well head down there.

No! Don't go down there! Nothing good can come of it!

/LOL, but in a kinda sad, ironic sort of way...

105 Noam Sayin'  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:31:08pm

re: #82 Thanos

Nice lookin' dog. I think the orange is contajus.

106 jainphx  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:31:16pm

re: #102 The Shadow Do

LOLOLOLOL, that made me laugh out loud.

107 Sharmuta  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:31:58pm

re: #100 pat

You cannot run to that music.

lol

108 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:33:32pm

re: #105 Noam Sayin'

Nice lookin' dog. I think the orange is contajus.

LOL! I confess...I just don't *get* most cats. But that is damn funny, as are most of the lolcat pictures.

109 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:33:35pm

re: #86 The Shadow Do
Well, not so much bad as maybe uncomfortable? I really made an impression when dating back in the day with that car. Hey, at least my dog liked me!

LOL When we were young and really poor we bought a used car that already had the driver's seat all chewed up. Thank God I was married and not dating. The funny story about that car was that my sister in law borrowed it for a couple of days and as a thank you she restuffed the seat with something she found in our garage and kind of fixed it up for me. After getting the itchies for a week I finally found out she had used fiberglass insulation.

110 itellu3times  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:33:43pm

re: #81 Charles

Previously unseen posters are still showing up in the Expelled thread. They seem to be working in shifts.

Sounds like CSI, where you can tell the age of the corpse by inspecting the maggots.

111 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:34:16pm

re: #100 pat

You cannot run to that music.

Well that would depend entirely on how you run

112 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:36:01pm
113 The Shadow Do  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:36:56pm

re: #109 Pvt Bin Jammin

Oh shit!

114 nyc redneck  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:37:05pm

re: #95 Thanos

Yes, she's a blue merle Austrailian shepherd. ( so called because they are really from the US Southwest, but were originally used to herd Australian sheep) It's in the blood, she tries to herd us going up and downstairs and will run circles around the other dogs until they are backed into a corner of the yard. Zero training in herding.

it is in the blood w/ the herders. it's incredible. my friend was visiting w/ his 4mo. old border collie ( the kind in the movie 'babe') and that little pup was running us all. his 4 daughters were getting nipped and pushed along. we were a bunch of sheep. it was fun.
your pup is adorable. i love that coat on the blue merles

115 zombie  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:37:54pm

And the hits just keep on comin'!

New at zomblog:

Another ridiculous day with the Code Pink witches in Berkeley

Please, God, make it stop!

Or should that be “Goddess” instead?

On Friday, May 9, Code Pink dressed up as “witches and crones” in front of the Marine Recruiting Office in Berkeley — though how this differed from their normal appearance was not explained. Seeking to “invoke the Foremothers” in their ongoing attempt to use any means — physical, magical, self-defeating — to win their metaphorical war against the United States Marine Corps, Code Pink posed for the cameras as they always do, and (as they also always do) achieved absolutely nothing other than to discredit themselves.


Fortunately, I missed most of the action, swinging by later in the day to find this incomprehensible scene of a virgin bride holding a bloody baby. Tell me again what this has to do with witchcraft and cronery?

Note, also, the sign on the right: after four years of dedicating themselves to the “peace movement,” Code Pink has still yet to master the impossibly convoluted intricacies of the peace sign, and often as not will produce a Mercedes Benz logo instead.

116 markx  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:37:59pm

re: #81 Charles

Can you lock threads? Not that you should, just curious.

117 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:38:34pm

re: #115 zombie

Thanks Z, I was hoping for this

118 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:38:47pm

I've bred and raised Australian Cattle Dogs - AKA Queensland Heelers...

Here's the difference:

Shepherds

Cattle Dogs

+ there's the difference in how aggressive...

119 pat  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:40:16pm

re: #116 markx

Can you lock threads? Not that you should, just curious.

I have been in a collapsing thread. It was like The Matrix.

120 The Shadow Do  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:41:55pm

re: #115 zombie

Note, also, the sign on the right: after four years of dedicating themselves to the “peace movement,” Code Pink has still yet to master the impossibly convoluted intricacies of the peace sign, and often as not will produce a Mercedes Benz logo instead.

Okay, now that's funny. And so apropos!

121 nyc redneck  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:42:12pm

re: #96 Noam Sayin'

How's the fishing pole used?

you take the fishing pole and poke it up in their web/cocoon in the trees and twirl it around and pull down what you can of a awful glob of bag worms. and then stomp them. yes, gardening can make a person mean. but they are horrible pests and quite destructive.

122 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:42:31pm

re: #115 zombie

Nice.

123 tradewind  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:42:43pm

re: #100 pat

**(See Jeremiah Wright's explanation in his famous speech to the NPC last month. You just don't have the right internal metronome).

124 nyc redneck  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:45:59pm

re: #118 slokat

I've bred and raised Australian Cattle Dogs - AKA Queensland Heelers...

Here's the difference:

Shepherds

Cattle Dogs

+ there's the difference in how aggressive...

that's quite a bit of difference. both really adorable tho.

125 CapeCoddah  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:46:20pm

re: #82 Thanos
Hey Thanos, Aren't ACD's the best? I have an 8 year old red girl, Chansey. We call her Moo. And I can back up that herded up and down the stairs thing, and herded to the
kitchen for a glass of water thing. But we would not trade her for the world, even if she is a bed/pillow hog who snores like a drunken lumberjack. [Link: s212.photobucket.com...]

126 MarkX  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:46:34pm

re: #115 zombie

The makeshift magical witches’ shrine ?

WTF?

127 tradewind  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:47:01pm

re: #114 nyc redneck

Even funnier is watching a couple of Corgis herd toddlers.....
The stubbies chasing the stubbies.

128 pat  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:47:30pm

re: #123 tradewind

**(See Jeremiah Wright's explanation in his famous speech to the NPC last month. You just don't have the right internal metronome).

Maybe not, but dimes to dollars I can outrun, swim, or paddle Rev Wright. :)

129 bosforus  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:48:14pm

If the King loves music, it is well with the land.

130 CapeCoddah  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:48:14pm

A great ACD site is: [Link: www.cattledog.com...]
lots of good stuff there.

131 MandyManners  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:49:35pm
132 tradewind  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:50:37pm

re: #128 pat

Hopefully, you read the unwritten sarc tag I had attached there.
:)

133 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:50:44pm

re: #124 nyc redneck

I've also owned shepherds, they are one family dogs but mellow, heelers are one person dogs & territorially aggressive.

134 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:52:24pm
135 Carolyn  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:52:29pm

Subject: Monument Committee


>
>
> Dear Friends and Relatives:
>
>
> We have the distinguished honor of being on the committee to raise
> $5,000,000.00 for a monument of Hillary Clinton's heroic stand
under
> Bosnian sniper fire.
>
> We originally wanted to put her on Mt. Rushmore until we discovered
> there was not enough room for two more faces.
> We then decided to erect a statue of Hillary Clinton in the
> Washington, DC Hall Of Fame. We are having a bit of difficulty as
> to where the statue should be placed. It was not proper to place
> it beside the statue of George Washington, who never told a lie, or
> beside Jesse Jackson & Barack Obama, who never told the truth, since
> Hillary Clinton could never tell the difference.
> We finally decided to place it beside Christopher Columbus, the
> greatest Democrat of them all. He left not knowing where he was
> going, and when he got there he did not know where he was. He
> returned not knowing where he had been, and did it all on someone
> else's money.
> If you are one of the fortunate people who have anything left after
> taxes, we expect a generous contribution to this worthwhile project.
> Thank you,
> Hillary Clinton Monument Committee
> P.S. The Committee has raised $1.35 so far.
> P.P.S And another thing... Now let me get this straight. Bill
> Clinton is getting $12 Million for his memoirs. His wife Hillary
> got $8 million for hers. That's $20 million for memories from two
> people, who for eight years repeatedly testified, under oath, that
> they couldn't remember anything.
> God Bless America !

136 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:52:49pm

re: #125 CapeCoddah

Proud looking Red!

137 itellu3times  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:55:09pm

Debka article says Syria is stepping into Lebanon, too, and it's even worse than ever.

138 CapeCoddah  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:55:58pm

re: #136 slokat
She is the best girl in the world! Smarter than most people I know, and does stick to my 2 year old granddaughter like glue when they are outside.Will not let her anywhere the road, and does herd her to keep her where she wants her. We broke her out of the nipping thing when she was a pup, so she moves the baby by tapping her with her nose.

139 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 7:58:09pm

re: #138 CapeCoddah

Maggie who only visits my mom a few times a year, is here protector when we are there.

140 CapeCoddah  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:00:19pm

re: #139 slokat
They are without a doubt the best breed out there, but I am so in love with our Bullmastiff, too, such a sweet guy.

141 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:00:51pm

ARRRGGGHHH!

Moonbats *spit*

In Costco picking up a bunch of stuff. Husband and wife are looking for salt. She decides Costco is out of salt and then says, "What happened, did Bush screw up the salt too?" I burst out laughing.

These people are so freaking helpless, if Costco doesn't have salt gov't should fix it. I think we should go back to 40 acres and mule. If you want something, grow, make, hunt, or trade for it. Develop a little self reliance.

142 livefreeor die  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:01:24pm

re: #115 zombie

As always, you got some awesome pictures. Those crones are pathetic-especially their latest "Hey, let's bake some sugar cookies to represent war victims" stunt. WTF!?!?

143 The Shadow Do  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:01:38pm

Dog instincts are amazing. I had a sheltie years ago that I thought was just an apartment sized collie and just a generally agreeable pooch which she was.

One Sunday morning I looked out in my small back yard to see her zigging and zagging around a group of 5 or 6 young kids who had come into my yard. Before I could run out to intervene the kids all huddled up in a corner of the yard, and the sheltie simply sat down and watched them.

I Called the dog in. Told the kids it was OK to leave.

Amazing.

144 pat  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:01:48pm

I did. lol
And what are those hand motions Rev Wright does. I mean I have heard of air guitars, but this guy has an air piano and an air harp. And I am sure he hears music the rest of us don't. But then preaching to his choir was easy as picking the pocket of the blind. And he did that also.

145 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:04:37pm

re: #143 The Shadow Do

Dog instincts are amazing. I had a sheltie years ago that I thought was just an apartment sized collie and just a generally agreeable pooch which she was.

One Sunday morning I looked out in my small back yard to see her zigging and zagging around a group of 5 or 6 young kids who had come into my yard. Before I could run out to intervene the kids all huddled up in a corner of the yard, and the sheltie simply sat down and watched them.

I Called the dog in. Told the kids it was OK to leave.

Amazing.

They've used Border and Australian sheep dog in the Seattle area for scaring Canadian Geese out of parks. The geese make a g-d awful mess. The dog naturally try to herd the geese. The geese hate being herded.

146 CapeCoddah  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:05:19pm

re: #143 The Shadow Do
LOL, Luckily, my moo never got hold of a group of kids, but she does regularly "rescue" our neighbors from their bikes and lawnmowers. Thank god they all love her too!
I had a collie growing up, and he was an awesome guy too, but he never herded, he also did not like being tied to bikes and used as a sled dog. I still have that scar!

147 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:05:56pm

re: #115 zombie

The shrine is...um...in magical terms? A mess. If one is trying to evoke - never mind invoke - a Power, the symbols need to harmonize, and be centered. If one is going to use a rectangle...criminy. Rectangles do not work - they set the elements at angles, and therefore at conflict. The lines don't match, so the power's out of balance.

Magic doesn't work, period. But if you're going to try to use it, it depends on harmony and tension within a rather hard framework. That ... mess ... doesn't work.

In normal aesthetic terms, a freakin' disaster.

148 Karridine  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:07:23pm

re: #147 Dianna

Reflective of the essence of Code Pink, Dianna! :D

149 Sarge1984  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:07:24pm

Hey, everybody! What's the magic word tonight?

150 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:07:38pm
151 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:07:42pm

re: #143 The Shadow Do

Herding breeds always do that to kids. It's hysterical. I know of a corgi who used to, at her owner's annual Christmas party, put the kids in a corner and not let them out without a parent.

152 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:07:54pm
153 eclectic infidel  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:07:55pm

re: #115 zombie

This Thursday at around 5pm, Code Pink was in San Francisco at the usual spot for troublemakers: Market St & New Montgomery. The put up a sign titled 'Impeach' - pink on black, of course. Very stylish.

154 Sarge1984  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:08:48pm

re: #115 zombie

I was wondering how long before you put that up!

155 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:08:48pm

re: #147 Dianna

The shrine is...um...in magical terms? A mess. If one is trying to evoke - never mind invoke - a Power, the symbols need to harmonize, and be centered. If one is going to use a rectangle...criminy. Rectangles do not work - they set the elements at angles, and therefore at conflict. The lines don't match, so the power's out of balance.

Magic doesn't work, period. But if you're going to try to use it, it depends on harmony and tension within a rather hard framework. That ... mess ... doesn't work.

In normal aesthetic terms, a freakin' disaster.

Their feng shui a little funged up?

156 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:09:00pm

re: #150 savage_nation

hi kids. me back

SAVAGE!

157 eclectic infidel  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:09:09pm

re: #153 eclectic infidel

Wait. That was Wednesday. I'm tired, and I've got a big day ahead of me tomorrow.

158 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:09:15pm

re: #148 Karridine

It's pretty bad, and not even vaguely thought-out.

How are you? I haven't been on when you've been around, lately, just seen you quoted.

159 desertdweller  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:09:51pm

He must have studied Michael Hedges, with that tuning. Very nice!

160 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:10:10pm
161 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:10:30pm

re: #153 eclectic infidel

I missed that!

Of course, if I'm not out of the office by 3:30, I miss my train, MUNI being what it is.

162 Sarge1984  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:10:48pm

re: #152 savage_nation

What's the drinking word?

Where are you, savage? More importantly, how are you?

163 The Shadow Do  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:11:04pm

re: #145 jcm

They've used Border and Australian sheep dog in the Seattle area for scaring Canadian Geese out of parks. The geese make a g-d awful mess. The dog naturally try to herd the geese. The geese hate being herded.

I think there is an awful lot of useful/practical knowledge that is being lost with modernity. Animals were bred for a purpose. Respect it! Today's PC is a horrible blanket over millenia of effort to actually achieve something. Or so think I.

164 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:11:53pm

re: #155 jcm

Feng shui, in so far as I understand it, is a little more fluid than ritual magic. But I think anyone who knows feng shui would have been pretty appalled, too.

165 Killian Bundy  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:13:30pm

re: #149 Sarge1984

Hey, everybody! What's the magic word tonight?

/flying witches

166 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:14:00pm

re: #163 The Shadow Do

I think there is an awful lot of useful/practical knowledge that is being lost with modernity. Animals were bred for a purpose. Respect it! Today's PC is a horrible blanket over millenia of effort to actually achieve something. Or so think I.

There some folks down in Roy, WA. They've got sheep on a farm, they make money on the side letting city folks bring their herding dogs out to herd for a while. What I've heard, is the dogs are much calmer and relaxed if they get to work at what they've been bred for.

167 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:14:19pm
168 The Other Les  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:15:23pm

Tonight's episode of BSG:

A gut twister.

When the organic central processor of the guidance system on your massive starship says, "I'll be dead in a thousand light years", you should ask how?

Found out tonight.

169 Sarge1984  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:15:59pm

re: #167 savage_nation

Good news! Glad to hear the baby's okay.

Sorry you're waiting on your wife, though...

170 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:16:20pm
171 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:16:51pm
172 Sarge1984  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:17:53pm

zombie--my favorite pic (FWIW) is the one of the shrine, with the Marine Corps poster in the background that says, "Superior Thinking has Always Overwhelmed Superior Force."

Classic!

173 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:18:24pm

re: #165 Killian Bundy

And the fellow running along the hillside not ten paces behind the "witch"? Did no one note him?

It's a kite, I think.

174 The Shadow Do  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:19:38pm

re: #146 CapeCoddah

LOL, Luckily, my moo never got hold of a group of kids, but she does regularly "rescue" our neighbors from their bikes and lawnmowers. Thank god they all love her too!
I had a collie growing up, and he was an awesome guy too, but he never herded, he also did not like being tied to bikes and used as a sled dog. I still have that scar!

The collie dog I had as a kid, Wendy, is still the standard of quality of dogs for me. God, I did love that dog. Gorgeous, protective, loyal beyond belief. What is it with dogs? Better than people most of the time.

175 The Shadow Do  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:20:50pm

re: #166 jcm

There some folks down in Roy, WA. They've got sheep on a farm, they make money on the side letting city folks bring their herding dogs out to herd for a while. What I've heard, is the dogs are much calmer and relaxed if they get to work at what they've been bred for.

Wonderful

176 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:22:31pm
177 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:23:14pm
178 Zooty Zoot  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:23:15pm

I don't get it. Technically, it's impeccable. But, shorn of the video, it's nothing more than background music for the waiting room in a doctor's office. How about some footage of Charlie Christian, Wes Montgomery, or Django Reinhardt? You could FEEL that stuff. (Actually, Wes veered into the elevator realm toward the end of his brief career, but that stuff he played on "Live at Tsubo" with the Miles Davis Quintet is the real jihad, as in "armed conquest," and not some watered-down jihad, as in "internal struggle.")

179 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:24:01pm

re: #146 CapeCoddah
My connection to LGF suddenly evaported...
Back again....

From 2002 but shows how pretty she was (maybe not how exactly I am....) katdog

/ ;)

180 JeremyR  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:24:19pm

re: #167 savage_nation

I'm waiting at the truck stop for my wife to pick me up. I'm not parking on the street with $200,000 worth of pure magnesium ingots, no way.

I'm good. My daughters baby is doing well, the bloodwork checks out ok.

Glad to hear you're getting some family time.
Been busy, mostly hit and run posting if at all. Whazzup?

181 The Shadow Do  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:25:40pm

re: #177 savage_nation

Dogs are loyalty with no strings attached.

Just so, Savage

Folks, in general, do nothing without the strings. A shame really.

182 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:26:32pm
183 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:27:02pm
184 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:27:03pm

re: #170 savage_nation

It's on the DVR, waiting for the Male to get home from practice.

185 Mich-again  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:27:26pm

re: #178 Zooty Zoot

Technically, it's impeccable. But, short of the video, it's nothing more than background music for the waiting room in a doctor's office.

Ha. Technically impeccable Muzak!

186 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:27:52pm

What is this? Where is every body? It's Friday night - does everyone have a date or something?

187 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:28:15pm
188 kevinmumaw  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:28:48pm

Sorry if this has already been talked about...Obama has visited 57 states...or so he says. Seriously.

[Link: www.stoptheaclu.com...]

189 The Other Les  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:29:48pm

re: #186 Dianna

What is this? Where is every body? It's Friday night - does everyone have a date or something?

That would be nice.

190 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:29:55pm

re: #187 savage_nation

I haven't a clue. So far as I know, there are a number of episodes left; though it's gotten so unrelentingly grim that I'm past caring.

When everybody - cylon and human - dies, it will be a relief.

They've turned Starbuck into a quivering mass of emotional jelly. Who cares?

191 Sarge1984  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:30:19pm

re: #186 Dianna

Ouch. That hurts.

192 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:30:35pm

re: #188 kevinmumaw

Cool what are the other seven states named?

It's like new brothers/sisters and we don't know who they are?

/

193 Mich-again  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:30:40pm

re: #188 kevinmumaw

Sorry if this has already been talked about...Obama has visited 57 states...or so he says. Seriously.

[Link: www.stoptheaclu.com...]

Well theres the usual 50 and then there are Guam, Puerto Rico, Mexico, denial, confusion, shock, and disbelief.

194 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:31:29pm

re: #189 The Other Les

Dates?

Over-rated. I'm happier doing the whole "committed relationship." Usually, anyway.

I will admit it would be more fun if we were ten years younger and a lot richer, but, hey, you can't have everything.

195 kevinmumaw  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:31:49pm

re: #192 slokat

Let's see...Syria, Iran, Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba, Myanmar, and...Berkeley?

196 JeremyR  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:32:15pm

re: #182 savage_nation

I've been running the wheels off the rig. I'm trying to get 12K miles a month so I can get the 500 dollar bonus.

That takes about 21 days on hte road if I did the math right.

197 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:32:25pm

re: #191 Sarge1984

Sorry. Picture me showing major contrition.

198 The Shadow Do  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:32:28pm

re: #186 Dianna

What is this? Where is every body? It's Friday night - does everyone have a date or something?

My wife is at work. If I had a date or something, I would be in big heap of.............

How you Dianna, gotta date?

199 Mich-again  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:32:57pm

re: #186 Dianna

I usually have a band practice or gig in a bar on Friday nights. This week its on Saturday so I'm hanging out here on the FNDT while watching the Lakers Jazz game.

200 Mich-again  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:34:10pm

re: #182 savage_nation

I've been running the wheels off the rig. I'm trying to get 12K miles a month so I can get the 500 dollar bonus.

Your carbon footprint is HUGE!

201 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:34:48pm

re: #198 The Shadow Do

Waiting for my Male. He's at martial arts; I got hung up at work.

202 Sarge1984  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:35:27pm

re: #197 Dianna

re: #198 The Shadow Do

I'm in the same boat, Shadow Do. Momma's working away from the house. This is a lot safer.

And more enjoyable, too.

203 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:35:47pm

re: #199 Mich-again

Cool.

204 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:35:51pm
205 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:36:04pm
206 The Shadow Do  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:36:43pm

re: #201 Dianna

Waiting for my Male. He's at martial arts; I got hung up at work.

Well give him hell when he gets home! It's only right you know.

207 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:36:47pm

re: #202 Sarge1984

I keep hitting "new comments" and not getting any.

208 Noam Sayin'  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:37:08pm

re: #176 jcm

Caught this one from your link. Awesome video of a huge tornado.

Three or four minutes worth of video.

209 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:37:18pm
210 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:37:33pm

re: #206 The Shadow Do

Nah - I want him to be happy to be home.

211 Sarge1984  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:38:21pm

re: #207 Dianna

I keep hitting "new comments" and not getting any.

Me, too.

It's a slow night for the FNDT...

Thinking I might hit the lounge for a wake-up call...

212 The Shadow Do  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:40:20pm

re: #210 Dianna

Nah - I want him to be happy to be home.

You're a peach Dianna. I mean that.

213 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:40:25pm

re: #211 Sarge1984

I don't type fast enough for the lounge.

214 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:40:40pm
215 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:40:41pm

re: #212 The Shadow Do

Ta, much.

216 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:40:44pm

re: #207 Dianna

something is not working right... I keep having to leave LGF and come back. My browser tells me that a script is not scripting... or whatever it is supposed to be doing...

217 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:40:55pm

re: #214 savage_nation

Good night!

218 Karridine  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:41:33pm

re: #158 Dianna

We're fine, family well, finances looking up, gratitude is our attitude...

...but after going to Haifa, Israel and electing the Universal House of Justice for the next 5 years of service to humankind, the Burmese delegates came back to find scenes of appalling disaster, compounded by the Burmese 'government' and characterized by 15,000 unburied corpses, now 6 days old... pungent is not the word, health threats starts to convey it, but we are hard-wired to be assaulted by the stench of rotting corpses...

...and some of THEM were friends, children, fellow Baha'is among the carnage, Dianna...

219 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:41:55pm

Leftists and taxes.....
Records show Sharpton owes overdue taxes, other penalties

: Government records obtained by The Associated Press indicate that Sharpton and his business entities owe nearly $1.5 million in overdue taxes and associated penalties.

$1.5 million would pay for a lot of social programs.

220 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:42:01pm

re: #216 slokat

Oh, that doesn't sound good. And I'm the worst possible person to relate the problem to, as technical matters somehow escape my abilities.

221 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:42:39pm

re: #219 Killgore Trout

Leftists and taxes.....
Records show Sharpton owes overdue taxes, other penalties


$1.5 million would pay for a lot of social programs.

Nice jail term as well.

222 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:43:49pm

re: #220 Dianna

just letting you know it wasn't just you....

223 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:44:04pm

re: #218 Karridine

I'm very sorry. The last bit of news I saw said that the Burmese government would only let the US land one cargo plane of supplies. Is that all? Is there anything anyone can do from the US?

224 Mich-again  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:44:17pm

re: #203 Dianna

We always learn some new songs at practice. Next Friday we're gonna play Creep and Hash Pipe for the first time live. As for the finger picking stuff, not so much. We'd need chicken wire if we played that kind of music at the dives we play at.

225 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:45:12pm

re: #222 slokat

Here I figured that somehow I'd intimidated people who've never been intimidated by an internet persona in their lives...it did wonders for my ego.

/ok, yes, I'm being very silly.

226 Sarge1984  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:45:55pm

Went to the lounge, got signed out here...dang!

227 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:46:37pm

re: #224 Mich-again

The art of ducking a well-thrown bottle while not missing a note is for the young, I think. My hands have gotten so stiff and weak that I'm lucky to chord my way through a song without disgrace anymore.

228 jaunte  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:46:48pm

re: #219 Killgore Trout

Leftists and taxes.....
Records show Sharpton owes overdue taxes, other penalties

Political celebrity, getting a pass from the IRS that the common folks don't get.
I wonder if he'll get a sentence as severe as Wesley Snipes'.

229 jaunte  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:47:17pm

re: #226 Sarge1984

Did you get the word of the night while you were there?

230 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:48:04pm

re: #228 jaunte

He precedes his name with "Reverend", so, no.

231 Mich-again  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:48:48pm

re: #226 Sarge1984

Went to the lounge, got signed out here...dang!

Going to the lounge is like getting dropped into a bar by a time machine. You don't know whats been going on before you got there. 20 people are talking at once about 10 different things. It exacerbates my ADHD issues.

232 kevinmumaw  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:49:38pm

re: #223 Dianna

Unfortunately it is in the hands of the Burmese Overlords now...they won't accept much in the way of outside help, and when they do, they just take the aid for themselves anyway. They are one step shy of Somalia.

233 Mich-again  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:50:42pm

re: #227 Dianna

The art of ducking a well-thrown bottle while not missing a note is for the young, I think.

LOL! And there is guaranteed to be someone screaming BLACK SABBATH! in the bar. And it doesn't help to play one or two from Sabbath. Thats all they want to hear so they'll keep yelling it all night.

234 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:50:56pm

re: #232 kevinmumaw

Somalia has one (dis)advantage: because of their clan structure, power has never managed to really centralize.

Good points and bad points to that. Mostly, for Somalia, bad.

235 bosforus  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:51:08pm

re: #228 jaunte

I hope he gets the maximum punishment, but that's just wishful thinking.

236 Karridine  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:51:31pm

re: #223 Dianna

The situation is dire because food and fuel supplies have been
destroyed and the port is damaged preventing international assistance.
Items requested are medicines. Not so much for injuries but for illness.
Fevers, rashes, etc from the contaminated water. Food that is easy to ship.

Instant ramen noodles, dry beans, salt, tuna fish, crackers, and mosqitio
nets nd repellent. I will solicite local assist for other criticl items
such as candles, clothing, blankets, etc. Also school has been cancelled so
items for kids would be great too. It is going to be a long recovery. If
you would like you can also send money.

and

"Believers wishing to donate money for disaster relief which will be hand-carried to the Bahá'ís of Myanmar can deposit contributions in the following account..." I have access to channels, but as you can read, they're for believers... and it MUST be hand-carried, due to Junta-socialist restrictions... and the damage to infrastructure, which was in shabby shape BEFORE the tidal surge...

I thought I saw an online link earlier for non-Baha'is to contribute to the relief efforts through American Burmese, who ALSO must & will hand-carry the relief aid...

Its a mess, Dianna, and we hear about it every 2 hours on Thai TV news...

237 jaunte  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:52:00pm

re: #232 kevinmumaw

Looks like Bush is going to enlist the Chinese to lean on the junta to accept more aid:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

238 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:52:28pm

So how come nobody commented on my dog... ?
bad timing?


Regarding Burma - I posted this last night as an example of how frustrated even the church relief agencies are... but some aid is getting in. ELCA Press Release

239 realwest  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:52:47pm

Hey Y'all - what have I missed?!

240 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:52:53pm

re: #233 Mich-again

Oh, my, really? Even now?

There used to always - no matter what bar I was in, no matter for what purpose - some girl who either played Free Bird six times in a row on the juke box, or kept yowling for it like a cat in heat.

241 Mich-again  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:53:08pm

The first thing we should do for Burmese cyclone relief is drop some cruise missiles on the junta HQ.

242 Karridine  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:53:45pm

Bah%uFFFD'%uFFFDs = Baha'is = Follower of the Glory of God

243 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:54:40pm

re: #223 Dianna

I'm very sorry. The last bit of news I saw said that the Burmese government would only let the US land one cargo plane of supplies. Is that all? Is there anything anyone can do from the US?

For the Junta, a few hundred thousand dead are just eggs. Allowing in foreign aid threatens the grasp they have on their omelet. What's a few eggs when the might lose the whole thing?

244 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:55:33pm

re: #239 realwest

Not much, pretty slow night here. I'm getting ready to sign off and have some dinner. Hope all is well.

245 jaunte  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:55:48pm

re: #235 bosforus
Re Sharpton:

"Donors have included Protection money has been paid by beer giant Anheuser-Busch, which gave more than $100,000 last year, and Forest City Ratner, a real estate development company that courted black leaders for support of a plan to build an NBA arena in Brooklyn. PepsiCo, for several years, gave Sharpton a compensated position on one of its advisory boards.

The group also enjoys financial support from the state's top politicians.

New York Gov. David Paterson has transferred at least $28,000 from his own re-election committee to the National Action Network since 2001. Rep. Charles Rangel, a top Democrat in Congress, has been another major backer, giving at least $83,000. New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo has given $10,000.

246 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:55:53pm

re: #243 jcm

The Junta is worried that UN or USA will gain control...

247 realwest  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:56:17pm

re: #241 Mich-again
Hey Mich - ya know someone suggested that on an earlier thread and I said then what I'll say now: I think we ought to send some US Army Special Forces or Navy Seals in to do the job properly, avoid any collateral damage and the like.

248 Mich-again  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:56:17pm

re: #240 Dianna

Oh, my, really? Even now?

I have observed a very high correlation to soldiers coming back from Iraq wanting to hear Black Sabbath. I love talking to those guys at breaks and telling them how much I admire them for their service. But there is a real connection there. Can any military folks shed some light on that?

249 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:56:21pm

re: #236 Karridine

One of the charities I work with is requesting that we hold our donations until they have a secure way to convey relief. They're really concerned about getting to the people who need help, and they're being denied the usual access.

Someone much earlier today had a reply from the Samaritan's Purse people, I don't remember who. It looks like everyone's having a hard time doing anything.

250 Karridine  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:57:24pm

re: #243 jcm

They WILL lose the whole thing, the only question is WHEN, so they do all they can to answer, 'Not now...' and continue with their boot on the Burmese throat...

251 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:57:57pm

re: #241 Mich-again

It's a thought I've had a few times. Unfortunately, at this exact juncture, I don't think that would be all that helpful.

252 pat  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:58:29pm

Dianna, hi

253 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:58:32pm

re: #247 realwest

Hey Mich - ya know someone suggested that on an earlier thread and I said then what I'll say now: I think we ought to send some US Army Special Forces or Navy Seals in to do the job properly, avoid any collateral damage and the like.

That's probably one of the reasons the junta doesn't want any US Military assets coming in. Their craping their pants worried a SEAL will get off and coming looking for 'em.

254 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:58:35pm

re: #227 Dianna

The art of ducking a well-thrown bottle while not missing a note is for the young, I think. My hands have gotten so stiff and weak that I'm lucky to chord my way through a song without disgrace anymore.

Even the young don't handle it well.

Years ago, my daughter convinced me to take her to a free Green Day concert on the Esplenade in Boston. Where we were was fine; everyone had a good time, although I probably was the oldest person there, and acting like a jerk by trying to be overprotective of my daughter.
Anyway, the concert got cut short because people were throwing things at the stage. We went home; my daughter disappointed that the concert was short, but we still had a good time.

255 Mich-again  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:58:53pm

re: #247 realwest

Hey Mich - ya know someone suggested that on an earlier thread and I said then what I'll say now: I think we ought to send some US Army Special Forces or Navy Seals in to do the job properly, avoid any collateral damage and the like.

Only if they have permission to "neutralize" any idiots who want to check visas of aid workers before allowing any humanitarian aid to come in.

256 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 8:59:51pm

re: #250 Karridine

They WILL lose the whole thing, the only question is WHEN, so they do all they can to answer, 'Not now...' and continue with their boot on the Burmese throat...

They always end up losing. I hope and pray sooner. The people of Burma, and many other places deserve better.

257 Sarge1984  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:00:02pm

re: #229 jaunte

Did you get the word of the night while you were there?

No. It's dead there, too.

Did the Zionists checks come in today or something?

258 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:00:29pm

re: #248 Mich-again

"Iron Man"

Has he lost his mind?
Can he see or is he blind?
Can he walk at all,
Or if he moves will he fall?
Is he alive or dead?
Has he thoughts within his head?
We'll just pass him there
why should we even care?

He was turned to steel
in the great magnetic field
When he travelled time
for the future of mankind

Nobody wants him
He just stares at the world
Planning his vengeance
that he will soon unfurl

Now the time is here
for Iron Man to spread fear
Vengeance from the grave
Kills the people he once saved

Nobody wants him
They just turn their heads
Nobody helps him
Now he has his revenge

Heavy boots of lead
fills his victims full of dread
Running as fast as they can
Iron Man lives again!

I have always been uncomfortable with the resonance that has to some of my darker moods. Is that an answer?

259 Karridine  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:00:55pm

re: #249 Dianna

Hand-carry or feed the tyrants... BAD situation, Dianna

And as JCM notes, the govt doesn't care a whit for the Burmese people, alive, and even LESS for Burmese dead, even though the corpses threaten public health... bad water, no food, no gas, no transport, no housing (thatched roofs WENT in the blasting wind), no meds...

260 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:01:06pm

re: #252 pat

Hi, pat.

How's things?

261 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:01:26pm

re: #255 Mich-again

Only if they have permission to "neutralize" any idiots who want to check visas of aid workers before allowing any humanitarian aid to come in.

A SEAL displaying his visa.

262 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:02:45pm

just as an exercise: How many people died from Katrina?

263 realwest  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:03:05pm

re: #255 Mich-again Um, well, if they neutralize the Junta, won't that have the same effect?!

264 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:03:32pm

re: #259 Karridine

I know.

This is the sort of situation I just hate.

265 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:04:13pm

Re the disaster in Burma:

You know, if they could blame Jews, the UN would be making a big stink about this. But the junta has no Jews, so they don't even make strongly worded letters.

266 Mich-again  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:04:33pm

There might be way more than 100,000 dead in Burma before its over especially if the junta keeps holding up relief efforts. I wouldn't be shocked if the number grew to a million.

But the scoundrels aren't just the Burmese junta. The USA has Al Gore trying to exploit it all for his own political gain, blaming the cyclone and the deaths on global warming which is code for BlameBush.org.

267 Sarge1984  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:04:46pm

Oh, good. I've wandered back in while the conversation's on Myanmar.

Help me out here, folks. I realize I may not be thinking clearly, and may be going off of knee-jerk reaction, but...the government there is anti-American, but we're all twisted up about getting aid to them anyway. Why? Why are we trying to force them to accept our help? Why not just offer, and, when they decline, be done with them?

268 realwest  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:04:57pm

re: #253 jcm Hey there my friend - guess what - we could drop off a seal team or a Special Forces team without them even knowing about it until it's too late (we've specially modified/built nuke subs to do just that!)!

269 jaunte  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:05:32pm

re: #257 Sarge1984

Don't know where everyone is; I just got back from a 23rd anniversary dinner, and now me and my best girl are glazing out over our computers and having a glass of wine.

270 Karridine  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:05:41pm

re: #262 slokat

1599 at highest count, direct & indirect

/What's your point?

271 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:05:56pm

re: #262 slokat

just as an exercise: How many people died from Katrina?

Total direct and indirect, less that 2k. IIRC.

272 Mich-again  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:06:01pm

re: #261 jcm

A SEAL displaying his visa.

Yeah I got your visa right here!

273 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:06:06pm

re: #262 slokat

Wikipedia - sourced, for once - says 1,836.

I saw an article that says over 4,000....

274 realwest  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:06:22pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout
Hey thanks my friend - yeah, everything is ok here!
Kinda late to be eating dinner, isn't it?!
Well in any event I hope you're doing well too!

275 Intrepid  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:06:23pm

re: #242 Karridine

Karradine, what is the scoop on the King's health in Thailand? Do you think he'll make it to his 7th cycle?

Just wondering....miss Krungthep!

276 Sarge1984  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:06:35pm

re: #269 jaunte

Don't know where everyone is; I just got back from a 23rd anniversary dinner, and now me and my best girl are glazing out over our computers and having a glass of wine.

Congratulations, and Happy Anniversary! Many, many happy returns!

277 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:07:07pm

re: #267 Sarge1984

Refer to Mich-Again's #266.

We can't help it. We want to help everyone.

278 bosforus  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:07:12pm

re: #267 Sarge1984

because it's the militant government that's turning us away, not the civilians that need and want the help.

279 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:07:42pm

re: #267 Sarge1984

Oh, good. I've wandered back in while the conversation's on Myanmar.

Help me out here, folks. I realize I may not be thinking clearly, and may be going off of knee-jerk reaction, but...the government there is anti-American, but we're all twisted up about getting aid to them anyway. Why? Why are we trying to force them to accept our help? Why not just offer, and, when they decline, be done with them?

We want to give aid to the people of Burma, no matter their tyrants.

280 jaunte  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:08:40pm

re: #276 Sarge1984

Thanks! Time definitely has flown, and we're still having fun.

281 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:09:11pm

re: #271 jcm

v/s 20,000 or 50,000 or 100,000 ? and you can't fault FEMA this time...

282 Karridine  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:09:11pm

re: #275 Intrepid

Uhm... it would be imprudent for me to speculate on that, Intrepid.

I'm an ardent supporter and well-wisher of THIS king, but as a doctor...

283 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:09:22pm

re: #269 jaunte

Happy anniversary!

Don't stay up too late!

Did you remember to get chocolate dipped strawberries?

284 realwest  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:09:38pm

re: #261 jcm Huh. That "Visa" looks strangley like a modified M-14 (that's what all my basic and advanced infantry training was done with; I got to fire two 20 round mag's from the "new" M-16 for familarization and off I went! With what was then, a Mattel rifle.

285 zombie  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:09:46pm

re: #147 Dianna

The shrine is...um...in magical terms? A mess. If one is trying to evoke - never mind invoke - a Power, the symbols need to harmonize, and be centered. If one is going to use a rectangle...criminy. Rectangles do not work - they set the elements at angles, and therefore at conflict. The lines don't match, so the power's out of balance.

Magic doesn't work, period. But if you're going to try to use it, it depends on harmony and tension within a rather hard framework. That ... mess ... doesn't work.

In normal aesthetic terms, a freakin' disaster.

You're revealing your East Bay neopagan roots a little too clearly, my dear! You and I hear language like that all the time around this place, but we have to remember that most people would scratch their heads and go -- "Hunh?"

286 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:10:40pm

re: #267 Sarge1984


The government refused our aid. I'm pretty sure the homeless widows and orphans created by the disaster aren't turning down any aid. They have no say in their government. It's natural for people want to smuggle food and clothing in for them.

287 Karridine  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:10:47pm

re: #284 realwest

LOVED the M-14 !

Wham! Kick on the right cheekbone, and another kill at 150 meters!

288 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:11:27pm

re: #287 Karridine

LOVED the M-14 !

Wham! Kick on the right cheekbone, and another kill at 150 meters!

Why so close?

289 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:11:29pm

re: #285 zombie

It's still ugly, though!

290 realwest  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:11:43pm

re: #269 jaunte HEY! Happy anniversary my friend! And many, many more!

291 Sarge1984  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:12:28pm

re: #277 Dianna

re: #278 bosforus

re: #279 Kosh's Shadow

But how can we give aid to the people without going through their government?

It's got my panties all in a wad, too. I don't understand how any government can turn away that kind of aid.

And if that government is so opposed to accepting our aid, who are we to try to override that government and force our aid on them?

It's so freaking frustrating. You're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

292 Ma Sands  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:12:52pm

re: #271 jcm

re: #262 slokat

just as an exercise: How many people died from Katrina?

Total direct and indirect, less that 2k. IIRC.


This is what was being said, six months after.....

293 Karridine  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:12:54pm

re: #288 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I wear glasses... my eyes were the weak link, not the weapon!

And I qualified Expert, eyes and all... :D

294 zombie  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:13:09pm

re: #154 Sarge1984

I was wondering how long before you put that up!

Am I that predictable?

I'd love to widen my spectrum of stuff that I cover, but the truth is: most of the moonbattery happens in Berkeley and SF. No matter how hard I search elsewhere, nothing quite measures up. (Well, Santa Cruz, maybe, but I'm not going that far.) So I always end up trapped in these burgs.

Gotta go where the action is!

295 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:13:17pm

re: #284 realwest

Huh. That "Visa" looks strangley like a modified M-14 (that's what all my basic and advanced infantry training was done with; I got to fire two 20 round mag's from the "new" M-16 for familarization and off I went! With what was then, a Mattel rifle.

SEAL and the M-14.

The M14 is a magazine-fed, gas-operated semi-automatic 7.62mm (.30-caliber) rifle still used by the Navy SEALs. It deploys a 20-round magazine, and has an effective range well beyond 500 meters at a rate of 750 rounds per minute. Operated from the shoulder, it is designed primarily for semi-automatic fire. It was developed from a long line of experimental weapons based on the M1 Garand of the 1940’s. It was planned to replace four weapons: the M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, M3 “Grease Gun,” and M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR). However, it only excelled at replacing the M1 Garand, and the BAR was more effectively replaced by the M60 machine gun.
296 jaunte  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:13:18pm

Some people generals the world could do without:

BURMA'S junta has impounded two UN food aid shipments at Rangoon airport, triggering more outrage at the military government's refusal to accept a major international relief operation."We're going to have to shut down our very small airlift operation until we get guarantees from the authorities," a furious World Food Programme regional director Tony Banbury told CNN.

The two shipments, 38 tonnes of high-energy biscuits, were enough to feed 95,000 people - a tiny fraction of the estimated 1.5 million destitute survivors of Cyclone Nargis, which ripped into the southeast Asian nation six days ago.

"It should be on trucks headed to the victims. You've seen the conditions they are in. That food is now sitting on a tarmac doing no good," Mr Banbury said.

Despite the desperate needs of the survivors, the generals are adamant that only they will distribute the emergency aid that is going in after the worst cyclone to hit Asia since 1991, when 143,000 people were killed in Bangladesh.
Thai Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej had to cancel a planned trip to Burma this weekend to ask the junta to open their doors just hours after he said he would go.
.

[Link: www.theaustralian.news.com.au...]

297 Intrepid  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:13:23pm

re: #282 Karridine

Uhm... it would be imprudent for me to speculate on that, Intrepid.

I'm an ardent supporter and well-wisher of THIS king, but as a doctor...

Understood, Karradine. My best wishes also for HM King Phumiphon.

What is Somdet Prathep doing lately?

298 David Simon  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:14:16pm

re: #279 Kosh's Shadow

We want to give aid to the people of Burma, no matter their tyrants.

Yes, but if the aid doesn't get to the people, it's a waste of time, money and effort - no matter how well-intentioned we are. (See North Korea where are aid was used to feed L'il Kim's soldiers.)

299 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:14:47pm

re: #291 Sarge1984

I'm not feeling particularly wise, tonight. I grant that aid to the people of Burma ends up propping up the junta, but I cannot play "the worse, the better", so the problem is, from my pov, insoluble.

300 jaunte  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:14:53pm

re: #283 Dianna

No, but I got chocolate covered cherries and cabernet (more desired by recipient #1)

301 realwest  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:15:57pm

re: #287 Karridine Huh, no lie - I could hit 10 out of 10 at 300+ yards and no kick on my chin (now my shoulder was bruised for a long time) plus multiple dings on the helmet from the shell casings (I shoot left handed) until I made an "adjustment" in how I held it!
But I did LOVE that rifle. Heavy as crap, but was good out to 400+ yards without a scope.

302 jaunte  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:16:10pm

re: #290 realwest

Thank you, realwest; we are definitely linked for the duration (whatever that might be!)

303 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:16:24pm

re: #294 zombie

And it's a never-ending pageant of moonbattery, too. If I could take pictures that were recognizable, I'd just document every day on Montgomery Street.

304 profitsbeard  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:16:26pm

Speaking of dogs, music and Expelled...

305 Sarge1984  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:16:45pm

re: #294 zombie

Not necessarily predictable, but consistent. I figured with the advance warning and exposure, you'd be there....and I have been looking forward to your viewpoint.

Please be careful. Fox News has a 24-hour live camera covering the recruiting station.

306 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:17:23pm

47,758,181 = population of Burma
100,000 dead = .02% so what is a Jhuntaist to think?

307 Karridine  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:17:33pm

re: #297 Intrepid

Understood, Karradine. My best wishes also for HM King Phumiphon.

What is Somdet Prathep doing lately?

Like the King before here, she is out virtually every day, with The People, initiating service efforts or agricultural changes or cultural benefits or something else (sometimes 2-3 per day) to BENEFIT the Thai people!

Would that ALL kings were this fervent, this dedicated...

308 Mich-again  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:18:15pm

re: #291 Sarge1984

Even the UN suspended aid to Burma when they found out the junta confiscated their initial aid shipments for their own use. Its close to self-inflicted genocide. At what point do we just say kill off the junta to save millions of its prisoners? That point is real close IMO.

Heres the deal I'd cut. We'll destroy the junta to enable our otherwise too squeamish "allies" to bring in the aid.

309 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:18:37pm

re: #300 jaunte

Then by all means, that's preferable. Enjoy them and each other, tonight and always.

310 Karridine  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:18:48pm

re: #301 realwest

Green-hearted you, Bud!

Me for the M-14...

311 zombie  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:18:58pm

re: #172 Sarge1984

zombie--my favorite pic (FWIW) is the one of the shrine, with the Marine Corps poster in the background that says, "Superior Thinking has Always Overwhelmed Superior Force."

Classic!

Yeah! The subtleties of every zombie photo. I put a lot of consideration into the little details like that.

For example, this picture from yesterday's "Palestinian checkpoint" report. Every aspect, all the unconscious background (and foreground) components -- all there on purpose. I selected it over 15 similar photos that just didn't have "it." This one inspires about five different conflicting but strong emotions. That's what makes a zombie photo.

312 profitsbeard  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:19:24pm

Damned youtube's confusion of capital "I"'s versus small "l"'s

music

313 Karridine  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:19:38pm

*sigh*

before here = before her

314 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:19:56pm

re: #298 David Simon

Yes, but if the aid doesn't get to the people, it's a waste of time, money and effort - no matter how well-intentioned we are. (See North Korea where are aid was used to feed L'il Kim's soldiers.)

I agree.
Personally, I think we should imprison the junta, feed their people, and then, when they're fed and housed again, let them pick new leaders.

But then I don't get these nuances of cultural relativism

315 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:20:07pm

re: #306 slokat

pimf - strike the extra h, not sure where that came from

316 Sarge1984  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:20:10pm

re: #299 Dianna

I'm not feeling particularly wise, tonight. I grant that aid to the people of Burma ends up propping up the junta, but I cannot play "the worse, the better", so the problem is, from my pov, insoluble.

You smell what I'm steppin' in. I'm really torn as to how I feel...on one side it's anguish for so many who are suffering, on the other it's contempt because of the rejection.

Who are we to force them to accept our help?

Who are they to refuse it, especially if it saves their populace?

317 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:20:47pm

Sigh, There really is nothing good on TV anymore

318 realwest  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:21:03pm

re: #295 jcm Well over 500 meters?
Uh, no disrespect intended, but back in the day I had 20/15 vision and I had a helluva time seeing waist up man sized targets at 450 YARDS (which was the furthest target on the qualification range).

319 Ma Sands  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:21:38pm

re: #267 Sarge1984

Sarge.....the people, who haven't much anyway, are giving it to those in worse straits.....

320 Mich-again  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:21:48pm

Someday there will be a major earthquake in San Fransisco and I'm guessing the moonbat junta entrenched there will do the same thing. Exploit the disaster as a way to entrench their own power. Scoundrels are like that.

321 bosforus  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:21:53pm

re: #291 Sarge1984

I, personally, wouldn't mind if we used force to provide aid. Not that that's going to happen. The idea of letting people suffer and die to respect a country's militant sovereignty doesn't sit well with me. I don't believe that ALL aid is being refused. Some aid is getting there. But they're very very selective.

322 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:22:13pm

re: #316 Sarge1984

Someone pointed out on last night's thread that the Burmese people were our allies....

323 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:22:23pm

re: #317 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sigh, There really is nothing good on TV anymore

I'm watching divers explore the wreck of a WWII tanker, the Dixie Arrow, sunk off the US coast.

324 Karridine  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:22:31pm

re: #316 Sarge1984

Sarge, the government DOES NOT CARE FOR THE Burmese PEOPLE.

Period.

The people exist to be USED BY THE GOVERNMENT, for governmental purposes.

325 Sarge1984  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:23:24pm

re: #311 zombie

326 Mich-again  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:23:56pm

re: #317 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sigh, There really is nothing good on TV anymore

Except sports. Thats all I watch on TV. And the real reality shows like Deadliest Catch, Ice Road Truckers, and the like.

327 Intrepid  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:24:24pm

re: #307 Karridine

Like the King before here, she is out virtually every day, with The People, initiating service efforts or agricultural changes or cultural benefits or something else (sometimes 2-3 per day) to BENEFIT the Thai people!

Would that ALL kings were this fervent, this dedicated...

She's good like that. I admire her greatly for her work in agriculture, particularly in Issan.

She definitely has her Father's spirit in her!

328 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:24:37pm

re: #326 Mich-again

Except sports. Thats all I watch on TV. And the real reality shows like Deadliest Catch, Ice Road Truckers, and the like.

Not a sports fan

329 ggt  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:24:56pm

Good Evening Lizards! It was coolish but nice in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland this day.

I didn't get to look at my computer last night --did I miss anything?

How is everyone and what are we talking about?

330 zombie  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:25:14pm

re: #178 Zooty Zoot

I don't get it. Technically, it's impeccable. But, shorn of the video, it's nothing more than background music for the waiting room in a doctor's office. How about some footage of Charlie Christian, Wes Montgomery, or Django Reinhardt? You could FEEL that stuff. (Actually, Wes veered into the elevator realm toward the end of his brief career, but that stuff he played on "Live at Tsubo" with the Miles Davis Quintet is the real jihad, as in "armed conquest," and not some watered-down jihad, as in "internal struggle.")

Now we're talkin'!

Too bad there are very vey few Charlie Christian videos in existence.

As for LGF guitar videos, I want to see more Slim Gaillard, more Speedy West, more Jimmy Bryant, more Joseph Spence, more Charlie Christian, more Django.

Bring it, Charles!

331 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:25:45pm

re: #318 realwest

Well over 500 meters?
Uh, no disrespect intended, but back in the day I had 20/15 vision and I had a helluva time seeing waist up man sized targets at 450 YARDS (which was the furthest target on the qualification range).

That's pulled from the SEAL site itself. They have a marksman mod used a sniper rifle.

332 pat  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:25:50pm

McCain not only does not inspire, but he offers absolutely nothing except silly platitudes. That may be good enough for Democrats, but not for people with thought. He seems to prevaricate or qualify every conservative principal. But he gets really serious on going soft on terrorism, the borders, gun laws, free political speech. he is simply stupid and controlled. Sorry. Watched it all twice. That is my opinion. He is the Mexchurian Candidate. I do not think Obama is better. He has brains, but has to be the most ignorant man with 2 degrees in America. Affirmative action? Must be. Plus 'duck' classes. As for McCain, his academic record rivals Carters. We are fucked.

333 Karridine  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:26:13pm

bbiaw...

Work to do, getting some aid to Burma...

From Saturday noonish here, a cheerful "Enjoy Friday night!" to y'all

334 Sarge1984  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:26:27pm

re: #325 Sarge1984

Well, that didn't show up right.

What I said was, I hadn't even thought about what ends up in the "bit bucket." And thank-you for doing what you're doing.

335 realwest  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:27:14pm

re: #310 Karridine Why thank you! But JCM's description was correct about the M-14 on full auto; when I shot on full auto, safest place to be was right wherever I was "aiming", LOL! Sucker just could not be controlled on full auto.
Fired a BAR once and the difference between that and the full auto M-14 was night and day! But ah, geez, just loved that M-60 - fired by someone else of course cause it always attracted attention, LOTS of attention! LOL!

336 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:28:58pm

re: #316 Sarge1984

You smell what I'm steppin' in. I'm really torn as to how I feel...on one side it's anguish for so many who are suffering, on the other it's contempt because of the rejection.

Who are we to force them to accept our help?

Who are they to refuse it, especially if it saves their populace?


The junta does not rule with the consent of the people it's an illegitimate government to begin with.

I too have torn feelings about interfering in sovereign nations affairs. But when the government is illegitimate, and through intentional malfeasance killing 10,000 of thousands of innocent people. IMHO a JDAM is in order to resolve the issue.

337 Mich-again  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:29:07pm

re: #335 realwest

...safest place to be was right wherever I was "aiming",

LOL!

338 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:29:28pm

re: #318 realwest

Well over 500 meters?
Uh, no disrespect intended, but back in the day I had 20/15 vision and I had a helluva time seeing waist up man sized targets at 450 YARDS (which was the furthest target on the qualification range).

USMC rifle qual's final part was 10 shots with an M-16 at 500 meters. I'd usually go 9 out of 10 and my eyes are terrible. I'd drop the first shot, adjust and get the rest.

The Kneeling is what killed me. Could never get stable in that position.

339 Karridine  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:29:46pm

2130 Lizard Time: "We're sorry, this video is no longer available."

What the fletch?

340 The Shadow Do  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:30:19pm

re: #332 pat

Hi Pat. You do not like John McCain? Did I get that right?

341 pat  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:30:33pm

re: #335 realwest

One of the inspirations for the rocket cartridges of the 60's was barrel rise. If you cannot control it , fire power does not matter if too fast. Semi is still king except in these little street sweepers that do not see real combat. the mac 9s etc.

342 zombie  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:31:02pm

re: #192 slokat

Cool what are the other seven states named?

Hmmmm, let's see:

51. Western Samoa
52. Puerto Rico
53. The Marshall Islands
54. The Virgin Islands
55. Cuba (I can dream, can't I?)
56. split California into two states: "Ecotopia" and "The Bear Flag Republic"
57. Make the District of Columbia into a state.

There! 57, just like Obama said.

343 realwest  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:31:41pm

re: #321 bosforus I think the real problem with the aid that IS getting there is that the Junta is taking it all and distributing it all - no doubt to their friends, palace guards and what not.
And I have no problem whatsoever with replacing a regime forcibly where that regime deliberately allows 100,000 + of it's own people to die when the aid is being offered to save many of those people FOR FREE AND WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED.

344 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:32:26pm

re: #326 Mich-again

Except sports. Thats all I watch on TV. And the real reality shows like Deadliest Catch, Ice Road Truckers, and the like.

And Ax Men. That is one dangerous job.

345 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:32:30pm

re: #316 Sarge1984

Who are they to refuse it, especially if it saves their populace?

Yes. Exactly.

I keep hitting that point. Then I start thinking about me, from California, trying to figure out which rebel movement to support, and stop.

346 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:32:53pm

re: #342 zombie

Thanks Zombie! I'll look forward to getting the stickers for the RV!
/

347 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:33:02pm

re: #317 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Numbers isn't bad.

348 pat  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:33:24pm

re: #342 zombie

I thought Pickle and Ketchup were States. What a doofus. Born and raised in the 50th State. That is called Irony.

349 Sarge1984  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:34:40pm

re: #324 Karridine

re: #322 slokat

re: #321 bosforus

That's basically, I think, what I'm aiming at. At what point do we decide to bypass a sovereign nation's government to provide aid, and what right do we have to do it?

That's where I'm really torn. Do we really have the right in this instance to bypass a sovereign government to provide aid? And, if so, why haven't we done the same thing in other countries--matter of fact, why have we not done it in other countries?

Damn!

I just haven't thought it through enough yet to give a good argument pro or con. It just doesn't seem right to me that we force another country to accept aid, but at the same time, it doesn't seem right to me that we let the country's people die while we sit by and don't do something to help them because their dictatorship refuses to allow us to provide aid.

350 Noam Sayin'  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:34:59pm

re: #342 zombie

Guam?

351 zombie  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:35:59pm

re: #218 Karridine

We're fine, family well, finances looking up, gratitude is our attitude...

...but after going to Haifa, Israel and electing the Universal House of Justice for the next 5 years of service to humankind, the Burmese delegates came back to find scenes of appalling disaster...
...and some of THEM were friends, children, fellow Baha'is among the carnage, Dianna...

There are Baha'i in Burma? I did not know that. Very surprising.

352 realwest  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:37:16pm

re: #338 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) An M-16 at 500 meters? With bad eyesight?
I are impressed - seriously. I was a much better shot on semi-auto with the M-14 than I ever was with the M-16 (although that could be cause I got to fire probably over 1,000 rounds with the M-14 on semi); by the time I got an M-16 I didn't shoot semi-auto anymore! LOL!

353 bosforus  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:37:22pm

re: #349 Sarge1984

Like I said, I wouldn't mind if we used force to provide aid. But also like I said, it ain't going to happen.

354 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:37:23pm

Burma Relief:
so far - through back channel monks, through Samaritan Purse, through other churches working with agencies all ready allowed in country.

It will change tomorrow is the only thing I am sure of...

355 Karridine  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:38:08pm

re: #349 Sarge1984

A matter of (American) political will.

The Burmese elected Aung San Suu Chi. The thugs imprisoned her, and refused to recognize her as governmental leader.

Therefore we have law and morality on our side IF America were to choose to go in, establish an airbase, and distribution point(s) and defend them and AID the BURMESE PEOPLE...

356 Mich-again  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:38:19pm

re: #344 Kosh's Shadow

And Ax Men. That is one dangerous job.

The old "reality" shows suck. I never could watch them because they had nothing to do with reality. Survivor, Real World, American Idol... Thats not reality.

But these genuine reality shows are good. Real people doing real stuff. Nothing contrived or rehearsed. I'll have to look for that Ax Men show. But this time of the year with hockey and basketball playoffs along with baseball season, I don't watch too much non-sports TV.

357 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:38:38pm

re: #353 bosforus

Like I said, I wouldn't mind if we used force to provide aid. But also like I said, it ain't going to happen.

You're right. I ain't gonna' happen. No one with the cojones to do the right thing.

358 zombie  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:38:47pm

re: #236 Karridine

and

"Believers wishing to donate money for disaster relief which will be hand-carried to the Bah%uFFFD'%uFFFDs of Myanmar can deposit contributions in the following account..." I have access to channels, but as you can read, they're for believers... and it MUST be hand-carried, due to Junta-socialist restrictions... and the damage to infrastructure, which was in shabby shape BEFORE the tidal surge...

I thought I saw an online link earlier for non-Baha'is to contribute to the relief efforts through American Burmese, who ALSO must & will hand-carry the relief aid...

Its a mess, Dianna, and we hear about it every 2 hours on Thai TV news...

The huge Burmese community in the SF Bay Area ia also 'smuggling in" aid through a network of Buddhist monks. Must be hand-carried as well.

You know a government is evil when it acts as an impediment to aid reaching its citizens.

359 Karridine  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:38:55pm

re: #351 zombie

Every nation, Zombie. World wide united community. One.

360 bosforus  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:39:02pm

Wasn't one American cargo plane allowed to land there today?

361 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:39:31pm

re: #332 pat

I know, I know.

Just another election. Do you ever suspect that some people don't think the presidency is significant, and others think it confers magical powers, and therefore we get stuck with pompous incompetents?

362 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:39:50pm

re: #356 Mich-again

The old "reality" shows suck. I never could watch them because they had nothing to do with reality. Survivor, Real World, American Idol... Thats not reality.

But these genuine reality shows are good. Real people doing real stuff. Nothing contrived or rehearsed. I'll have to look for that Ax Men show. But this time of the year with hockey and basketball playoffs along with baseball season, I don't watch too much non-sports TV.

I watched Ice Road Truckers a few weeks ago on DVD. Pretty good.

363 Karridine  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:40:09pm

re: #358 zombie

A valid litmus test, Zomboid One... 'when the government IMPEDES aid...'

364 pat  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:40:14pm

re: #352 realwest

The M-14 has a much more serious round. I have a Remington 700 , 180 grain, bullets, Redfield scope, that can hit the 2 round things in the Budweiser can at 200 yards. Lock and load.

365 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:41:37pm

re: #358 zombie

Yeah, my e-mail box is full of people conferring madly, trying to figure out how to do anything at all.

366 Karridine  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:41:39pm

re: #351 zombie

There are Baha'i in Burma? I did not know that. Very surprising.

Serious losses... a village where 95% of the people were Baha'is, and now most of them are dead...

367 realwest  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:41:45pm

re: #341 pat Well I certainly agree about the " barrel rise. If you cannot control it , fire power does not matter if too fast." But I gotta tell ya, when the targets are moving and ducking in and out of sight and, worst of all SHOOTING BACK, I went from being a fan of "aimed fire" to a fan of "area fire" right quick!

368 pat  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:41:55pm

re: #361 Dianna

Yep. Like the magical BS mortgage cure. Sheeesh. Let the market collapse and the young couples enter the market.

369 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:42:07pm

re: #352 realwest

An M-16 at 500 meters? With bad eyesight?
I are impressed - seriously. I was a much better shot on semi-auto with the M-14 than I ever was with the M-16 (although that could be cause I got to fire probably over 1,000 rounds with the M-14 on semi); by the time I got an M-16 I didn't shoot semi-auto anymore! LOL!

Its all how you sight it. I would off set aim so when I placed the front site tip just on the bottom of the target, it would hit center mass. I would start the shot low and then creep the front post up till I had no white showing. I'd just wait till I had a solid black line and Bam, bullseye.

I preferred the SAW though. 3-5 round bursts at 800m were a lot more fun.

370 Mich-again  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:42:43pm

re: #362 jcm

I watched Ice Road Truckers a few weeks ago on DVD. Pretty good.

My favorite example. Now that job really sucks. Maybe thats why we like it. For some reason its entertaining to watch someone who has a worse job.

371 ggt  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:44:01pm

It's the FNDT and you-all are having respectable and informative discussions. I'm just not up to it tonite.

How do you do it?

372 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:44:14pm

re: #368 pat

If you've got $5 million, in a few months you could make a killing, and still sell lots of houses for reasonable prices. The banks/mortgage companies will be selling the notes for 40 to 60 cents on the dollar, because they'll be desperate to get the houses off their books.

Oh, well.

373 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:44:57pm

re: #370 Mich-again

My favorite example. Now that job really sucks. Maybe thats why we like it. For some reason its entertaining to watch someone who has a worse job.

Some 'round here was telling me about a show called Dirty Jobs showing the slimiest, dirtiest most disgusting jobs around. Makes driving an ice road seem pleasant.

374 Dianna  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:44:58pm

My Male's home, and I'm signing off.

Take care, lizards!

375 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:45:39pm

re: #374 Dianna

bye!

376 Mich-again  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:45:46pm

re: #371 ggt

How do you do it?

Lots of practice. The amateurs are gone. Everyone left is a pro.

Thats my theory.

377 Sarge1984  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:45:52pm

re: #353 bosforus

But, where I'm torn is just that: is it really right for us to provide aid by force? Is that really aid? Or is it starting another war, another front?

Imagine: we forcibly go in to Myanmar to provide humanitarian aid to the victims of the cyclone...aid the government has declined very clearly. We have to fight our way through the country to get the basics to the people...and having to fight their government forces every step of the way, and put up with the international political pressure of us fighting our way through a third-world country just to provide aid and comfort to the people that their government could/would not provide for....

This is just. plain. fucked. up.

378 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:45:54pm

re: #371 ggt

It's the FNDT and you-all are having respectable and informative discussions. I'm just not up to it tonite.

How do you do it?

You want me to call you a few names and throw and empty Chardonnay bottle at you?

379 zmdavid  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:46:38pm

re: #360 bosforus

Wasn't one American cargo plane allowed to land there today?

It will be allowed to land Monday, not today. At least that's what I heard on TV.

380 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:46:57pm

re: #376 Mich-again

Pro or good or calm?

381 pat  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:47:01pm

I will go read. Dianna, night. The rest of you......Ok. Night. But she is pretty and smart. lol. Could be a Fox Girl. Who, BTW, are damned smart. But I do not get the morning shows. So you ca argue there. CNN girls are morons. I mean stupid, incompetent, fools. Courical.

382 zombie  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:47:30pm

re: #305 Sarge1984


Please be careful. Fox News has a 24-hour live camera covering the recruiting station.

I realize that. Which is why all my photos at the Marine Station must now be taken with my hidden camera! I look just like any passerby. Thousands of Fox viewers probably saw me take those photos, but they did not know it.

383 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:47:30pm

AH HA! My night is saved. I found my "Venture Bros" DVDs

384 Mich-again  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:47:57pm

re: #373 jcm

Makes driving an ice road seem pleasant.

Till the ice cracks or your brakes lock up or you roll a tanker and its -40F. Than I'm guessing you'd wish you had chosen another line of work.

385 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:48:25pm

re: #377 Sarge1984

This is just. plain. fucked. up.

Yep it is. But then the world is a pretty fucked place.

The best solution is support the hell of the good people in Burma, help they throw a good old fashioned necktie party for the junta.

386 realwest  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:48:28pm

re: #349 Sarge1984 Hey Sarge! It is a philosophical problem indeed.
But I have no qualms passing a "moral" judgment on a government that deliberately refuses aid necessary to keep it's population from DYING of STARVATION, lack of potable water and the like, especially when the requisite supplies to STOP all that dying are available FOR FREE.
It's damn hard to live with the knowledge that you and your friends or your government could have saved hundreds of thousands of lives and didn't do it.
I reckon that means I'm not a "deep thinker" but I'll live with that knowledge.

387 Mich-again  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:48:34pm

re: #380 slokat

Pro!

388 BBev  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:48:36pm

Charles I'm trying to send you an email but I says that I can not contact you from the main site. Did I do something wrong?

389 Mich-again  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:49:30pm

Why is #388 blank?

/

390 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:49:52pm

re: #384 Mich-again

Till the ice cracks or your brakes lock up or you roll a tanker and its -40F. Than I'm guessing you'd wish you had chosen another line of work.

LOL better than deal with Seattle drivers in the commute. Prius with an Obama stick on the back in Hebrew, one hand holding a Starbucks the other a cell phone......

391 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:50:29pm

re: #389 Mich-again

Why is #388 blank?

/

It like someone entered an empty post

/

392 pat  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:50:52pm

re: #372 Dianna

You and I chatted about this once, and i entirely agree. Houses in decent places, (please, not Detroit) are going for well below construction cost and banks frequently do not know that and are caught in a credit crunch, trying to build reserves, not knowing they own them all ready, etc.

393 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:51:13pm

re: #386 realwest

Hey Sarge! It is a philosophical problem indeed.
But I have no qualms passing a "moral" judgment on a government that deliberately refuses aid necessary to keep it's population from DYING of STARVATION, lack of potable water and the like, especially when the requisite supplies to STOP all that dying are available FOR FREE.
It's damn hard to live with the knowledge that you and your friends or your government could have saved hundreds of thousands of lives and didn't do it.
I reckon that means I'm not a "deep thinker" but I'll live with that knowledge.

Put simply..
Some people just need killin'

394 zombie  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:51:26pm

re: #350 Noam Sayin'

Guam?

Isn't that part of the Marshall Islands?

395 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:51:45pm

re: #389 Mich-again

Why is #388 blank?

/

I see 388....

396 David Simon  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:52:04pm

re: #314 Kosh's Shadow

I agree.
Personally, I think we should imprison the junta, feed their people, and then, when they're fed and housed again, let them pick new leaders.

But then I don't get these nuances of cultural relativism

The truth is, most of the rest of the world doesn't give a shit. A decade ago, a famous director named John Boorman made a movie called Beyond Rangoon, and Burma was on everyone's mind for a couple of weeks. Since then, it's been forgotten.

The people of "Myanmar" didn't start suffering a couple of days ago. They've been suffering for a long time; we just weren't hearing about it. And therefore, it wasn't happening.

To paraphrase Mark Steyn, everyone's for a free Burma. It's just that no one's up for freeing Burma.

397 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:52:06pm

I can read #388 from BBev

398 pat  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:52:08pm

re: #388 BBev

You are not worthy. LOL
Try to recycle the page. if that does not work use another search engine.

399 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:53:02pm

re: #389 Mich-again

Why is #388 blank?

/

I see 388 just fine

#388 BBev 5/09/08 9:48:36 pm reply quote report 0

Charles I'm trying to send you an email but I says that I can not contact you from the main site. Did I do something wrong?

400 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:53:50pm

re: #399 Neo Con since 9-11

I see 388 just fine

#388 BBev 5/09/08 9:48:36 pm reply quote report 0

Charles I'm trying to send you an email but I says that I can not contact you from the main site. Did I do something wrong?

Dang it Neo, YOU RUINED IT!

401 realwest  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:54:04pm

re: #364 pat Please see my #367!

402 Silhouette  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:54:16pm

To see so well, some people really miss a lot.

403 Mich-again  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:54:19pm

re: #393 jcm

Is it moral to kill a few thousand to save a million? The classic moral dilemma. Don't ask a moonbat. They would get hung up in a do-loop paralysis of analysis. I say yes in his case it is justifiable.

404 bosforus  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:54:31pm

re: #377 Sarge1984

This is just. plain. fucked. up.

Agreed. Wish I had some answers for ya. Maybe we could just drop food in.

405 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:54:42pm

it's because #338 mentioned Charles... the server stopped in reverence for awhile...

406 bosforus  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:55:04pm

Zombie, how'd that hot air balloon photo drop go?

407 ggt  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:55:29pm

re: #376 Mich-again

You are probably right.

408 NGrove  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:55:32pm

re: #377 Sarge1984

Evening Sarge,
I feel much the same way. Carry your thought through to the innocent people we try to help who end up as casualties in a struggle between a government which could potentially demand that they refuse any such aid and those tasked with "forcing" aid. At what point would it stop being aid?
I suppose finding back channels to funnel aid through that the government would accept would be the simplistic solution but that just opens up another can of worms.

409 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:55:37pm

re: #400 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dang it Neo, YOU RUINED IT!

Ooops sorry, the vodka is impairing the humor section of my brain.

410 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:55:52pm

re: #370 Mich-again

My favorite example. Now that job really sucks. Maybe thats why we like it. For some reason its entertaining to watch someone who has a worse job.

Agreed. Dirty Jobs, Deadliest Catch, Ax Men, Ice Road Truckers, Verminators (haven't watched that one yet)

411 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:56:38pm

re: #396 David Simon

The truth is, most of the rest of the world doesn't give a shit. A decade ago, a famous director named John Boorman made a movie called Beyond Rangoon, and Burma was on everyone's mind for a couple of weeks. Since then, it's been forgotten.

The people of "Myanmar" didn't start suffering a couple of days ago. They've been suffering for a long time; we just weren't hearing about it. And therefore, it wasn't happening.

To paraphrase Mark Steyn, everyone's for a free Burma. It's just that no one's up for freeing Burma.

Bruma.
North Korea
China
Zimbabwe
Iran.
Sudan
Libya
Syria
and
on
and
on
and
on

Illegitimate thugocracies, murder and imprisoning millions.

412 ggt  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:56:45pm

re: #378 jcm

No, I'd probably fall-over if the bottle hit me. I'm too tired to be here, but I don't want to leave.

It's a dilemna.

413 ggt  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:57:56pm

I had a thought --naive as it is --regarding Burma.

Why doesn't the UN do something about it?

/poor attempt at comic relief.

414 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:58:03pm

I can not believe that the United States Federal Government actually expects me to believe that the Most Reverend Al Sharpton would mis-use money, and fail to pay taxes on it.

This smells of the U.S. of KKK A.

415 Silhouette  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:58:28pm

re: #411 jcm

Illegitimate thugocracies, murder and imprisoning millions.

And voting in the UN.

416 Mich-again  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:58:32pm

re: #410 Kosh's Shadow

Agreed. Dirty Jobs, Deadliest Catch, Ax Men, Ice Road Truckers, Verminators (haven't watched that one yet)

Is there a name yet for those genuine reality shows? Just lumping them in with the rehearsed contrived "reality" shows does them a disservice.

417 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:58:47pm

re: #413 ggt

you tried... more than then UN can say.

418 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, May 9, 2008 9:59:51pm

re: #403 Mich-again

Is it moral to kill a few thousand to save a million? The classic moral dilemma. Don't ask a moonbat. They would get hung up in a do-loop paralysis of analysis. I say yes in his case it is justifiable.

Numbers dont matter. The basic question is this: Is it moral to take a life to save a life? Some moonbats will answer no, its never OK. I would say yes if the situation warrants it. The same thing applies to most situations. The idea you have to wait for something to occur in massive numbers or repeatedly to retaliate is ludicrous. Whether you save one man or a hundred, if a cause is worth fighting for, its worth fighting for.

419 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:00:11pm

re: #396 David Simon

Thanks for reminding me. Will watch as soon as possible.

Pray (or think good thoughts) for the victims of Burma. They are certainly not citizens.

420 zombie  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:00:22pm

re: #403 Mich-again

Is it moral to kill a few thousand to save a million? The classic moral dilemma. Don't ask a moonbat. They would get hung up in a do-loop paralysis of analysis.

You are trapped in a space station. A rescue Shuttle mission can't reach you for seven days. You are there with three other crew members. You do the calculations and realize that, even with the minimum oxygen breathing intake, the four of you will use up the last bit of oxygen on the sixth day. In which case you ALL will die before getting rescued.

However, it dawns on everyone, if you kill one of the crew members on the first day, you will have enough oxygen for the remaining three crew members to last the full week and be rescued.

Questions:

a. Do you kill one of the crew members in order to save the other three?
b. If so: how do you decide who dies?
c. If the chosen person does not accede or volunteer, do you just murder him?

421 pat  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:00:58pm

Realwest. Of course I know what you are saying. That is why they have the 3 round burst thingee. And the Tommy gun approach has its advantages. But you pointed out barrel rise. Which the M 60 has under control. With a proper gunner. BTW. you are right on the targeting angle. My best friend was a M 60 gunner. Every moron wanted to be with the gun at nite. He would let them. Can't see. Shoot. It was the target.

422 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:00:59pm

Good night Lizards.

G'night Jim-Bob.

423 realwest  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:01:16pm

re: #394 zombie Well, according to Wiki (I know, I know "Guam is the largest and southernmost of the Mariana Islands."

424 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:01:20pm

re: #411 jcm

Bruma.
North Korea
China
Zimbabwe
Iran.
Sudan
Libya
Syria
and
on
and
on
and
on

Illegitimate thugocracies, murder and imprisoning millions.

This sums up all of the above

425 zombie  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:01:22pm

re: #406 bosforus

Zombie, how'd that hot air balloon photo drop go?

Not well. This was the substitute.

426 ggt  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:02:06pm

re: #417 slokat

thanks!

427 pat  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:02:28pm

Nite

428 Mich-again  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:02:32pm

re: #418 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I agree with the notion that in order to test the logic, apply the extreme example. In that case, numbers don't matter, the principle does.

429 ggt  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:02:32pm

Hey rw, how you doin' tonite?

430 realwest  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:03:04pm

re: #396 David Simon IIRC, the people of Burma were supposed to vote on a new constitution and that's when the Junta took over; apparently the constitution called for a democratically elected government. Imagine that!

431 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:03:14pm

re: #420 zombie

Everyone hibernates and all live...
Sedate all but one of the crew & all live....

/thinking outside the parabox

432 zombie  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:03:45pm

re: #423 realwest

Well, according to Wiki (I know, I know "Guam is the largest and southernmost of the Mariana Islands."

Oh, that's right -- Mariana Islands, not Marshall Islands.

433 zombie  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:04:52pm

re: #431 slokat

Everyone hibernates and all live...
Sedate all but one of the crew & all live....

/thinking outside the parabox

"minimum oxygen intake" includes hibernation.

Even if everyone went into suspended animation, you'd run out of air after 6 days.

434 bosforus  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:05:14pm

re: #377 Sarge1984

But, where I'm torn is just that: is it really right for us to provide aid by force? Is that really aid? Or is it starting another war, another front?

Imagine: we forcibly go in to Myanmar to provide humanitarian aid to the victims of the cyclone...aid the government has declined very clearly. We have to fight our way through the country to get the basics to the people...and having to fight their government forces every step of the way, and put up with the international political pressure of us fighting our way through a third-world country just to provide aid and comfort to the people that their government could/would not provide for....

But also, who in the political world is going to condemn our action if we were to do it? Our allies? Nope. Our enemies? Maybe. But in so doing they'd also have to consent that the militant government was letting thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands of people die, and I think that's where the conversation would end. We wouldn't need to be there forever as long as we stuck to a short term goal.

435 Ma Sands  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:05:21pm

It looks like there are bits and pieces of movements toward getting help in, to the Burma people directly........this link puts up new small hopefulnesses every couple of minutes.......but, whether anything can get there in time is another matter.....

436 Silhouette  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:05:57pm

re: #431 slokat

Everyone hibernates and all live...
Sedate all but one of the crew & all live....

/thinking outside the parabox

How many of us watch Titanic and came up with plans to save everybody? (barring "don't hit the darn ice in the first place)

437 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:06:12pm

Uh oh, Beer run, BRB

438 Mich-again  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:06:24pm

re: #420 zombie

hmm. I'm trapped in the paralysis of analysis trying to answer that. I'd like to say I'd sacrifice myself to save my 3 "neighbors" but in reality I don't know if I could be that guy. Good question.

439 LeePro  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:07:11pm

re: #376 Mich-again

Lots of practice. The amateurs are gone. Everyone left is a pro.

Thats my theory.

Correct!

~ LeePro

440 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:07:15pm

re: #403 Mich-again

Is it moral to kill a few thousand to save a million? The classic moral dilemma. Don't ask a moonbat. They would get hung up in a do-loop paralysis of analysis. I say yes in his case it is justifiable.

As one who sought a job in LE and frequently carries a concealed pistol. I had to answer that question on a person individual level.

Am I willing to kill another human being.

Damn well answer that before you pick up a gun. When it comes time to act and you have to think about it... it's too damn late.

My reasoning is pretty simple and rooted in the basics. Life, Liberty, Property when someone is violating the basic principles and causing great harm to another human being, I have no problem using lethal force. Simply put I have zero problem shooting someone to stop them from harming or killing another.

1:1 in that case.

I would have even less problem in a VT situation drop the SOB without thinking about it.

1:32

Burma is the same problem writ large.

Take out the junta.

1000:100,000.

I don't see any moral difference from stopping a rapist or a murder to stopping a thugocracy.

441 bosforus  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:07:19pm

re: #425 zombie

Not well. This was the substitute.

LOL. That's probably not the best place to talk business, what with the spells floating around and all.

442 BBev  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:07:32pm

re: #398 pat

You are not worthy. LOL
Try to recycle the page. if that does not work use another search engine.


I'm trying from the contact us on the main page.

443 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:07:58pm

re: #433 zombie

Rotate using the bottles of air for space walks...

444 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:08:05pm

re: #415 Silhouette

And voting in the UN.

And don't that give you the warm fuzzies all over.
/

445 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:08:17pm

re: #420 zombie

a. Do you kill one of the crew members in order to save the other three?
b. If so: how do you decide who dies?
c. If the chosen person does not accede or volunteer, do you just murder him?

d. You put the volunteer in that handy Suspended Animation chamber until help arrives.

(I looked up the answer in the back of the book)

446 realwest  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:08:21pm

re: #429 ggt Hey, hi ya ggt! I'm doing ok, but am gonna go to sleep very soon here; I'm really tired!
How are you doing?

447 Silhouette  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:08:59pm

re: #444 jcm

And don't that give you the warm fuzzies all over.
/

Only when they all vote how evil the US and Israel are.

;-)

448 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:09:59pm

re: #442 BBev

that had a problem before... post a question then report it... would work

449 Silhouette  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:10:09pm

To be safe, you kill two. So the survivors don't have to breathe shallow for 6 days.

/

450 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:10:26pm

re: #433 zombie

"minimum oxygen intake" includes hibernation.

Even if everyone went into suspended animation, you'd run out of air after 6 days.

Okay.

d. Modify the main deflector dish so that it creates more oxygen
(AKA the Star Trek TNG solution)

451 realwest  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:10:51pm

re: #436 Silhouette "barring "don't hit the darn ice in the first place" was MY answer! LOL!

452 ggt  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:11:35pm

re: #446 realwest

Very tired also. It has been a busy week. May always seems to be a busy month.

Thanks for asking.

453 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:11:50pm

zombie only expected linear answers....

/

454 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:11:53pm

re: #412 ggt

No, I'd probably fall-over if the bottle hit me. I'm too tired to be here, but I don't want to leave.

It's a dilemna.

LOL! getting close to that point my self... Should go to bed.

455 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:11:58pm

re: #420 zombie

No answers but it sounds like a decent movie plot.

456 David Simon  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:12:28pm

re: #430 realwest

IIRC, the people of Burma were supposed to vote on a new constitution and that's when the Junta took over; apparently the constitution called for a democratically elected government. Imagine that!

I know next to nothing about the country, but from what little I understand, those poor people have never been truly free.

457 Mich-again  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:12:35pm

Out for now. Going to the sleep chamber in the space station..

458 ggt  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:12:48pm

re: #450 Occasional Reader

Use the anti-matter converter (conveniently provided by the little grey men) to create more oxygen.

(Stargate SG1 solution)

459 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:13:07pm

re: #455 Neo Con since 9-11

No answers but it sounds like a decent movie plot.

It's been done, actually. (Don't recall the title... based on a sci fi story by either Clarke or Asimov)

460 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:13:10pm

re: #403 Mich-again

Is it moral to kill a few thousand to save a million? The classic moral dilemma. Don't ask a moonbat. They would get hung up in a do-loop paralysis of analysis. I say yes in his case it is justifiable.

I suggest we do ask some moonbats, but wait until November, while they're on their way to vote for Obama. With any luck, they'll stay confused and forget to vote.
/

461 zombie  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:13:29pm

re: #450 Occasional Reader

Okay.

d. Modify the main deflector dish so that it creates more oxygen
(AKA the Star Trek TNG solution)

The calculations already take into account every creative way to produce more oxygen that is even physically possible on the Space Station. Also take into account every conceivable way for everyone to breathe as little as possible.

462 LeePro  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:14:19pm

re: #380 slokat

Pro or good or calm?

Definitely Pro.

btw, I visited your website a while ago... something upthread about Australian Cattle dogs (here's my mix — scroll down for more pics). You are extremely talented, both in the construction trade and photography!

463 Sarge1984  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:14:27pm

re: #408 NGrove

re: #386 realwest

re: #393 jcm

Sorry for the delay...had to walk the pooch.

That's what's got me all-fired-up, though. At what point do we decide that we're going to force-feed the people of that country aid that their government has strenuously declined? Who are we to bypass the government? Are we really ready to get into another conflict over providing aid? And, if so, are we ready to do it for every country that really needs it? Will we do it for Darfur? North Korea? Iran? Cuba? Where do we draw the line?

464 zombie  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:14:29pm

re: #453 slokat

zombie only expected linear answers....

/

None of that Captain Kirk "I'd just reprogram the simulator" crap for me.

465 ggt  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:14:52pm

re: #459 Occasional Reader

I think it is a re-occurring theme in Sci-Fi.

/we are finally getting to a level of conversation I am capable of handling tonite ;)

466 realwest  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:15:06pm

re: #461 zombie OK, then everyone draws straws - short straw dies.

467 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:15:29pm

re: #461 zombie

The calculations already take into account every creative way to produce more oxygen

Your puny calculations are as naught in the face of my glorious Modified Main Deflector Dish.

468 zombie  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:16:27pm
#459 Occasional Reader
re: #455 Neo Con since 9-11

No answers but it sounds like a decent movie plot.


It's been done, actually. (Don't recall the title... based on a sci fi story by either Clarke or Asimov)

Actually, the recent (but little-seen) sci-fi flick "Sunshine" had that element as one of its (many) plot points, too.

Good film, never got wide release. Not sure why not.

469 Silhouette  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:16:35pm

re: #451 realwest

"barring "don't hit the darn ice in the first place" was MY answer! LOL!

I read a piece about a group from a school, so upset about Jack, that they came up with what sounds like a workable plan. Circle almost all of the rafts, secure them together, fill the center with whatever floats.

470 LeePro  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:16:43pm

re: #398 pat

You are not worthy. LOL
Try to recycle the page. if that does not work use another search engine.

Search engine? Why a search engine?

471 ggt  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:18:02pm

re: #466 realwest

I volunteer. Chances are that if I survived the trip to space, my body is cashed from the g-forces and I'm old. Let them use my corpse for research. As long as I've had a chance to see the Earth from Space, I'm ready.

472 BBev  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:18:12pm

re: #448 slokat

that had a problem before... post a question then report it... would work

Still not workee

You are not allowed to use our contact form.

Charles you have my contact info.

473 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:18:40pm

re: #471 ggt

I volunteer. Chances are that if I survived the trip to space, my body is cashed from the g-forces and I'm old. Let them use my corpse for research. As long as I've had a chance to see the Earth from Space, I'm ready.

I complete agree with your solution.

We sacrifice ggt!

474 ggt  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:18:54pm

A new thread? Charles doesn't sleep.

475 BBev  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:18:58pm

re: #446 realwest


Hey Real.

476 LeePro  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:19:42pm

re: #413 ggt

I had a thought --naive as it is --regarding Burma.

Why doesn't the UN do something about it?

/poor attempt at comic relief.

They are — what they usually do.

Whining.

477 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:20:47pm

re: #420 zombie

There is a moral difference between taking the life of someone who is violating civilized code, and killing an innocent so others can live.

Shooting the VT killer (may his name be blotted out forever) between the eyes as he begins his shooting spree is a GOOD THING.

As too the space station scenario. I fall back to my FD days. I go in with a partner. We both come back, period, end of discussion, I DO NOT LEAVE HIM THERE TO DIE TO SAVE MYSELF! Same with the space station, we all come back, and work like hell to make it happen.

Remember Apollo 13, the LEM had supplies for 2 people for 2 days (IIRC) but it had to get 3 people back in 4 days. Everyone worked like hell, they all were coming back.

478 realwest  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:23:17pm

re: #463 Sarge1984 Sarge it is NOT a question of "force feeding" a population; it's a question of enabling the population to feed itself when it is provided the food aid to do so.
And frankly, I don't think we should stop as long as we have three things: A government that would rather see it's people starve than accept aid from other nations, other nations that have the aid to provide to those starving people and at least one nation which has the military capability of doing so.
That we stand by and allow Darfur to happen, and all the others going back at least to Pol Pot in Cambodia to me means only that we've got ourselves so tied up in intellectual knots that we allow governments to allow their people to die unnecessarily and that, to me, is unacceptable.
And, as I said before, that probably means I'm not very bright or am unwilling to resolve philosphical problems before stopping people from dying unnecessarily, but so be it.

479 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:23:34pm

re: #464 zombie

None of that Captain Kirk "I'd just reprogram the simulator" crap for me.

Kill the asshole I like the least while the others sleep and tell them he decided to heroically give his life to save the rest of us.

480 Silhouette  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:24:34pm

Only one solution.

Pictionary....to the DEATH!

481 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:25:53pm

re: #463 Sarge1984

re: #386 realwest

re: #393 jcm

Sorry for the delay...had to walk the pooch.

That's what's got me all-fired-up, though. At what point do we decide that we're going to force-feed the people of that country aid that their government has strenuously declined? Who are we to bypass the government? Are we really ready to get into another conflict over providing aid? And, if so, are we ready to do it for every country that really needs it? Will we do it for Darfur? North Korea? Iran? Cuba? Where do we draw the line?

Hobson's choice for sure.
We can't do it all. That for sure.

In a larger picture the mere fact thugocracies have legitimacy means we've lost the first battle. We act as if it's acceptable for Chaves, Mugabe to do what they do.

I think my point is I believe it's moral to help those people and to remove the oppressive yoke from their necks.

BUT it's not practical.

Then if we don't do what is right because it's not practical...
What are we?

482 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:26:07pm

re: #459 Occasional Reader

It's been done, actually. (Don't recall the title... based on a sci fi story by either Clarke or Asimov)

The Cruel Equations, by Robert Sheckley. No movie that I know of.

Good night lizards.

483 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:28:17pm

re: #462 LeePro

thanks! I need to upload more shots from last week

I also feel bad - since there was a exact opposite of a moonbat happening in one of our city parks today, a celebration to honor the local troops, but I couldn't find a place to park... & was late to do what I'd promised for my client....

484 jcm  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:31:06pm

Must get me to bed...

“It is a worthy thing to fight for one’s freedom; it is another sight finer to fight for another man’s”
Mark Twain

485 BBev  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:31:29pm

re: #478 realwest

Sarge it is NOT a question of "force feeding" a population; it's a question of enabling the population to feed itself when it is provided the food aid to do so.
And frankly, I don't think we should stop as long as we have three things: A government that would rather see it's people starve than accept aid from other nations, other nations that have the aid to provide to those starving people and at least one nation which has the military capability of doing so.
That we stand by and allow Darfur to happen, and all the others going back at least to Pol Pot in Cambodia to me means only that we've got ourselves so tied up in intellectual knots that we allow governments to allow their people to die unnecessarily and that, to me, is unacceptable.
And, as I said before, that probably means I'm not very bright or am unwilling to resolve philosphical problems before stopping people from dying unnecessarily, but so be it.

Amen. We have the power to say FU and we should do air drops if needed I am so sick an tired of the non-responce of the world to help those that can in no way help them selves.

486 LeePro  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:32:18pm

re: #483 slokat

That's too bad! Maybe Zombie got it. And isn't there another Lizard-shutterbug out there?

'Dja see the link to my pup above?

You comin' upstairs?

487 realwest  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:35:46pm

re: #481 jcm "Then if we don't do what is right because it's not practical...
What are we?"
We are the people who do what is right when we can and necessarily wait for another day to do more and another day even more. See my #478 above.

488 slokat  Fri, May 9, 2008 10:38:18pm

re: #486 LeePro

wrong town for zombie - here's a link Mitchell Park

cool pup!

climbing the stairs....

489 Tigger2005  Sat, May 10, 2008 7:48:49am

The story in the links above about the Mahdi army surrendering in Baghdad should make everyone take heart about the events of the last few days.

The fact of the matter is, Hiz'b'allah isn't winning its victories in Beirut through hard fighting. It's not being battle-tested. People just aren't really fighting back that hard.

The fact of the matter is, Iran, Syria, Hiz'b'allah, the Taliban, Hamas, whoever...Israel and America have the capability to take them all out, crush them utterly. We are not lacking in the weapons, the technology, the tactics, the brave and intelligent troops. ALL that we are currently lacking in is the WILL. When that comes, what follows will be hard, but not nearly as hard as we imagine it will be.

490 negativ  Sat, May 10, 2008 8:26:20am

If you like this music, check out Michael Hedges and the sadly unknown Bill McLaughlin.

491 montersj  Sun, May 11, 2008 3:13:17am

re: #490 negativ

If you like this music, check out Michael Hedges and the sadly unknown Bill McLaughlin.

Right direction but not strong enough. How about this...
If you enjoyed watching the student, then check out the master...Michael Hedges, this for instance....


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