Interesting.

For the last time, Fjordman. Trim the posts down.

/didn't actually read it.

ah, fjordman... we hardly knew ye.

i'm afraid that you will be found on the losing end of this issue.

Belien's running ads for the same forums in his sidebar, or he was a while back. Now that they are outted, I don't think they care anymore.

Water gets to deep in some fjords.

Must. Obey. Lizard. King.
/

And again, Happy Mother's Day to all you Lizard moms out there.

doh, the essay is at Belien's place.

I think Fjordman's waters were polluted when the Nazis invaded, and the pollution never floated away.

Ha ha, this "fjordman" guy believes we are different races. Isn't that quaint.

I disagree with Fjordman. I think. I can't remember.

Charles, please tell me if I disagree with him.

My thoughts are in your hands...

re: #5 taxfreekiller

Water, you say.

_{^{I was thinking it was something else...}}

Fjordman overreacts.

I think he's pining for the fjords.

Experiencedtraveller understates.

Bah, humbug.

re: #12 experiencedtraveller

A regular drama queen...but so is my 8 year old granddaughter. She is hilarious..he is not.

He has gone over to the dark side.

Kinda odd that he waited all this time to say nothing again.

Despite Fjordman's pro-Israel stance, he consistently fails to disavow and terminate his relationship with BNP and other neo-Nazi groups. Those who wish to fight Jihad cannot ally themselves with the groups that only 60 years ago were exterminating Jews, Gays, Catholics, Russians and others. It must be remembered that the Nazis killed more Jews in a decade than Islam has during its entire history. Now they fear the Islamization of Europe, but these are allies we must avoid.

I honestly don't see why Fjordman and Atlas can't acknowledge the basic truth of Vlaams, the BNP, Le Pen, and simply denounce them. What is the problem?

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Kinda odd that he waited all this time to say nothing again.

I think he's had this one in his hard drive for a long time.

Fjordman, I've just finished reading your piece (saw it in the spinoff links before Charles posted).

I'm sorry. Honestly, I am. Some of the work you do is superb.

But you should change your nic to 'Faust'.

Johnson has continued posting negative remarks about the website Atlas Shrugs.

Since when?

/and that's only the first paragraph

Look Who's Off His Meds Again!

I really can't be arsed to bother with him, anymore.

When you sup with the Devil, you better have a long spoon.

BaBaZee

Of Note:

[Link: www.isba.org...]

[Link: www.chicagobar.org...]

search under Obama

lots of links and such

Again, I'm going to fjart in his general direction.

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Fjordman made his choices and we, the LGF Lizards, made ours. What is there left to discuss?

re: #25 debutaunt

SNORT, SNORT!

Didn't want to give him traffic.

That's one click I won't make.

i remember when i used to see a post here from fjordman and i was so excited.

re: #18 Globular Cluster

Atlas never had the decency to even apologize to Charles, nor was she banned by the mensch she called her 'blog daddy' . Did you see it all unfold last October?

As a proud Jew and Zionist, she was the biggest shock of all.

The past seven months have been a real eye-opener for me.

On the other hand, Fjordman just could make another choice and
make amends and accept reason after all, never day never except as
to

Never Forget.

Come back Fjordman, Come back to U.S.A. and reason, no reason not to.

I see a lot of typing up there Fjordman...

wasn't he one of the good guys?

re: #35 darkster2400

once upon a time. once upon a time.

The future of Europe is very dark as I see it

I've asked these people, repeatedly, to define their terms.

I am most interested in hearing how they define the following words:

Race

Ethnicity

Culture.

They're pretty squishy, especially on the word "ethnicity."

re: #38 Pastorius

I've asked these people, repeatedly, to define their terms.

I am most interested in hearing how they define the following words:

Race

Ethnicity

Culture.

They're pretty squishy, especially on the word "ethnicity."

Life's too short to wait for that.

Interesting that the Fjordman had to mention he was writing a review of a ook about anti semitic Islam and then anti semitic Christian book...

what does that mean?

Does he have any peripheral sympathies with the retard white power friends of luap nor or the paultard army? I know the only man who can save america often was one a white supremacy radio show.

Can't we all just get along? Hope! Change! and Evan Almighty is on HBO right now.

re: #19 Charles

I think he's had this one in his hard drive for a long time.

Fjordman's all ego and steam. Count the "I"s in his essays. To willfully discount facts because the fact originated with someone you dislike is the height of foolishness. Because "x" is a commie, we can't trust what facts they have posted, even though those facts can be independently researched and verified. Even though those facts are available at other sources.

By his logic we should have ignored MEK when they told us about Quds force supplying arms and training to the Mahdis, and the groups that told us of the Syrian reactor. After all they can't be real because the information originated at a tainted source.

The irony is that at the same time as I was declared persona non grata at LGF and publicly compared to a well-known Nazi apologist by the blog owner, the German writer Udo Ulfkotte suggested that I am actually "an artificial figure (a team) created by the US Secret Service." Since I have such a colorful and diverse list of critics, I am considering putting up a hotline for all those who don't like me: "If you believe Fjordman is a closet Nazi, press 1. If you believe Fjordman is working for the CIA, press 2. If you're a radical Feminist and think Fjordman is a male chauvinist pig who is just as bad as the Taliban, press 3. If you're a Muslim and think Fjordman is an infidel Zionist pig and want to cut off his head, leave the death threats after the beep."

How about, if you want Fjordman to get to the [expletive deleted] point, press four?

/I can't figure what the hell he's trying to get at

Well, that's time I'm never going to get back.

re: #31 NY Nana

Atlas never had the decency to even apologize to Charles, nor was she banned by the mensch she called her 'blog daddy' . Did you see it all unfold last October?

As a proud Jew and Zionist, she was the biggest shock of all.

It really is a shame she can't admit her mistakes and patch things up. She lost relatives in the Shoah and now accepts the allegiance of neo-Nazi groups. A very serious loss of perspective that is disturbing and depressing.

Sorry Fjordman, my answer is .. "Nein!"

re: #37 winston06

Sadly, Eurabia has already arrived.

Way too much verbosity...

Not gunn' read it. Wouldn't be proodent at this juncture...

Sheesh Charles - please, whatever you need to do, let this end. Not b/c I think you're wrong (on the contrary, you're 100% right on this) but b/c for some weird reason, I feel compelled to read each of his responses. Reading a fraction as much as his posts got me through my Master's curriculum with flying colors. So please, for the love of god, find less verbose adversaries.

On a serious note though, it's telling that with all that prose, he says so little. Basically, from what I read, he just throws out a whole lot of stuff that's indirectly related and lets that suffice as his 'argument' or response. Whatever. You've pwned him every way that one can pwn someone yet he keeps coming back for more. What a masochist. If he didn't score a point by now he's not going to. But I don't think this will be the end of it.

re: #48 christheprofessor

Hi ya! How's the pooch?

re: #35 darkster2400

wasn't he one of the good guys?

/he lost me when adamantly insisted, from the other side of the Atlantic, that the U.S. was on the verge of a full blown race war

re: #50 wahabicorridor

howdy! beautiful and asleep on the couch... howzabout you?

I intend to write about the causes of Christian anti-Semitism. I will publish the full essay about this at Atlas Shrugs, the website of the courageous Pamela Geller, but before I do that I will arrange a preliminary debate at the Gates of Vienna, most likely on Wednesday this week. You are welcome to join in.

/oh boy, doesn't that sound like fun?

The real question is where does Fjordman fall on the evolution vs. Intelligent design debats?

re: #54 Killian Bundy

/oh boy, doesn't that sound like fun?

A real gas.

back to jumping hoops and going oops

They're heeeeeeeeeeeerrrrre....

re: #45 Globular Cluster

It really is a shame she can't admit her mistakes and patch things up. She lost relatives in the Shoah and now accepts the allegiance of neo-Nazi groups. A very serious loss of perspective that is disturbing and depressing.

Spot on. I cannot understand how anyone who like too many of us, who lost family in the Shoah could possibly even for a nano-second, ally themselves with the neo-nazis of the 21^st Century.

BTW, after a number of lizards went after her, she then came in with her comment re her family who were lost in the ovens. It seemed like an excuse, to be honest. There just is not any 'excuse'.

And as we type, we are losing more survivors who can bear witness...

If we can contact Charles by email, she certainly could have.

re: #53 jjdaniels

Is there not a difference between race and ethnicity?

re: #47 NY Nana

Sadly, Eurabia has already arrived.

well actually that's why fjordman is acting the way he is. he believes that.
i don't think it's such a grave situation over there that they need to go all 'nazi'. in england the enemy is only 2.7 % of the population and tho france is 8% that is hardly numbers for hysteria. my concern w/ these people is that they seem too eager to throw in w/ such distasteful groups who have more than shown their true colors in the past. it is too soon to get that desperate.

Summary:

While he was making really good suggestions, he was unfairly declared persona non grata at LGF. Oh, the irony.

/

It (Fjordman) calls us leftists and Trotskyites. 'Scuse me while I laugh my ass off!

As much as it pains me to say this, he is quite correct about the condition of Sweden. I have family over there, and they are looking forward to the time when they can move back to the States.

The PNB website is a real treat.

The four previous usernames of the now-banned 'jjdaniels':

Andrew_KJ
jasonkct
senor_lewie
jaxon

re: #56 Charles

How's about a Classical Gas?

The state-sponsored organization Expo has been treated as a credible source of information by LGF regarding Swedish politics, and was on at least one occasion linked to approvingly.

/got a linky for that?

Note how the teacup racialist sets up the strawman in advance that if you don't agree then you must be a marxist....

Sorry fjordie. I do remember the recent dust up with GoV over genocide and that was more than enough to persuade me that LGF was on the right side of the issue. If your reputation is so tied up in the philosophy of these sites that our criticism of them insults you too, so be it. Wouldn't want to be aligned you.

re: #52 christheprofessor

howdy! beautiful and asleep on the couch... howzabout you?

We're very well, thanks. Off to finish my book.

Take care everyone. Charles, try not to pull your hair out, m'kay?

re: #64 Macker

I've always seen myself as an American Capitalist.

These threads have a way of pulling them out of the woodwork.

Wow. I do not have time to wade through that essay. Could someone please summarize Fjordman's position in 25 words or less?

These threads are whacko flypaper...every nutter in Europe is going to be trying to get in.

re: #74 Charles

GAAAAAAAAAAAA you are in my brain.

Usually, that's BabbaZee's thing.

re: #67 Charles

The four previous usernames of the now-banned 'jjdaniels':

Andrew_KJ
jasonkct
senor_lewie
jaxon

Dammit. And I just scrolled over him.

Now I'm dying to know what he said.

re: #53 jjdaniels

...
Europe, though, is a more thorny issue, since European borders were (mostly) based around ethnic lines. We Americans can easily claim to be "American" without throwing race into the mix. But in Europe, race and culture are more tied in their mindset (Only a leftist-Marxist would deny that) So the question to ask then is this: Can Europe make political parties where they feel they need to keep a national identity without falling into the trap of killing off minorities in their borders? Can they avoid National Socialism yet keep an identity they feel they deserve to keep?

But it's a totally false mindset. Europeans are no more racially pure than the most Heinz 57 of Americans. The Franks were originally a Germanic tribe that were forced into the area we now call France as a result of nomadic invaders from steppes. The Vandals started out in Germany, made their way across the European plain into France, then resided in Spain, then decided to cross Gibraltar and camp in North Africa, where they made their way to Tunis, then crossed into Sardinia, then crossed into Italy and sacked Rome.

Russia was founded by Norseman who settled in the are a of Kiev (a fact Russians strive with all their might to suppress). The Magyars made their way into Hungaria and had sex with all the existing residents, who then dispersed elsewhere. Most modern Greeks have nothing racially in common with Classical Greece -- the Slavs settled most of Greece and slavicized 90% of the population. A good portion of Germany is actually Polish by descent, or Prussian, a mix of Scandinavian and Slav. Speaking of Scandinavian, The Finnish language is most closely related to Turkish, because Finland was populated by Samoyed Reindeer pastoralists who originated in the northern Turkic steppe.

The idea of racial purity in any way shape of form in relation to Europe is ludicrous. It is a melting pot, it's just that the melting happened nearly 1-2000 years ago instead of in 2-300, as it did in America.

How about an open registration? My clue-bat is so ronery.

While I agree that we must be careful whom we choose for friends, if someone is willing to fight for our cause, even if they have questionable motives, I say by all means go ahead and fight.
I on the other hand will not support your cause simply because you fought for mine. After all, canon fodder is canon fodder, and I'd rather see the jack booted thugs die first.
On 9-12-01 even the most liberal of the dems in congress came together with patriots to denounce the acts of islamic terrorists. Glad they joined us, too bad they couldn't stay longer, but the smell oftheir politics was getting pretty steep.

re: #76 WriterMom

These threads are whacko flypaper...every nutter in Europe is going to be trying to get in.

Good, as long as registration isn't open we can sit back and watch. Please pass the popcorn please.

Good night and G-d Bless.

re: #77 WriterMom

GAAAAAAAAAAAA you are in my brain.

Usually, that's BabbaZee's thing.

Charles is the Master of Puppets!

LGF is a centrist movement. Those who value democracy are centrists. Those who wish western civilization to survive are centrists.

re: #75 Pater Coop

Wow. I do not have time to wade through that essay. Could someone please summarize Fjordman's position in 25 words or less?

My take on it is in #63.

The Norwegian blogger Øyvind Strømmen, a third-rate Islam apologist in the tradition of Karen Armstrong, has been repeatedly and enthusiastically linked to by LGF.

Again, got a linky for that?

/because you went off on another half dozen stream of consciousness gibberish filled paragraphs based on that original statement

re: #67 Charles

The four previous usernames of the now-banned 'jjdaniels':

Andrew_KJ
jasonkct
senor_lewie
jaxon

Yeah, I shoulda known by the vague odor in his post.

re: #74 Charles

These threads have a way of pulling them out of the woodwork.

Heh, go for the trifecta - throw together a posting that combined ID/evolution, abortion, and the VB gang. We could probably solve the planetary energy crisis with the amount of spontaneous combustion resulting. Of course, no one could probably approach that posting without asbestos gloves given the volatility as well.

On a more serious note, the fact that fjordman continues rambling on for 3600 words makes me wonder whether he's actually been paying attention to what you've been writing about of late or whether he was so busy writing that he couldn't be bothered. I sense that he simply had to vent about the latest perceived sleights, rather that address more substantive issues. Sad really.

re: #41 madmax517

Can't we all just get along? Hope! Change! and Evan Almighty is on HBO right now.

Did you mean BHO as in Barry?

re: #67 Charles

The four previous usernames of the now-banned 'jjdaniels':

Andrew_KJ
jasonkct
senor_lewie
jaxon

How did he get back in?

Saw a Ron Paul sign - a big one - braced on a truck along I-40 in Aberdeen, MD. I'm not drinking the water next time I go through there.

Fare thee well, my ramblin' boy
May all your rambles bring you joy
Fare thee well, my ramblin' boy
May all your rambles bring you joy

--Tom Paxton

re: #75 Pater Coop

Wow. I do not have time to wade through that essay. Could someone please summarize Fjordman's position in 25 words or less?

Racism is ok by him as long as you hate Muslims. Its OK by him to hate Jews, Christians and anyone else as long as you also hate muslims.

re: #92 madisonsfriend

Saw a Ron Paul sign - a big one - braced on a truck along I-40 in Aberdeen, MD. I'm not drinking the water next time I go through there.

It tastes like....kool aid.

The state-sponsored organization Expo has been treated as a credible source of information by LGF regarding Swedish politics, and was on at least one occasion linked to approvingly.

Wtf?

LGF also linked to articles from all over the moonbatosphere, but the reason for linking is clear from the content of the post. I've read Fjordman's work in its full context and I have no doubt he's all about protecting the purity of the white race.

re: #92 madisonsfriend

Saw a Ron Paul sign - a big one - braced on a truck along I-40 in Aberdeen, MD. I'm not drinking the water next time I go through there.

My SIL lives up there. I take my own air....

I read the first couple of sentences before my conditioning set in...

I'm glad he's anti-jihad.
I'm glad he want to keep to the standards of European culture known to my ancestors.
White does not make it right, however.
Aryan blood does not make me an ubermensch.

re: #3 blue_like_jazz

ah, fjordman... we hardly knew ye.

i'm afraid that you will be found on the losing end of this issue.

Unless he's on the winning side, due to continued Europeon deterioration. :(

Other than 'no jihadists,' what is the Fjordman vision for Europe?

Allan Bloom on Europe:

..."There the greatest events and the greatest men speak for monarchy and aristocracy as well as for democracy, for established religion as well as for tolerance, for patriotism that takes primacy over liberty, for privilege that takes primacy over equality of right. Belonging to one of those peoples may be explained as a sentiment, an attachment to one's own, akin to the attachment of father and mother, but Frenchness, Englishness, Germanness remain, nonetheless, ineffable.