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Saudi Money for Harvard and Jimmy Carter

Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:09:33 pm PDT

Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, whose $10 million contribution was turned down by Rudy Giuliani in the days after the 9/11 attacks, is showering American colleges and political institutions (like the Jimmy Carter Center for Peace and the James Baker Institute) with multi-million dollar donations: Harvard Islamic Studies Program Opened.

CAMBRIDGE, Mass., 10 May 2008 — Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, chairman of Kingdom Foundation, had endowed $20 million in 2005 to establish an Islamic Studies program at Harvard University. He was at Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts, on Thursday to inaugurate the program.

The program was named “Prince Alwaleed bin Talal Islamic Studies Program.” Roy P. Mottahedeh, professor of history in the Faculty of Arts and Sciences, had been appointed director of the program. ...

The foundation has funded many cultural, educational and philanthropic projects globally including a £16 million endowment to create two new research centers for Islamic studies at the University of Cambridge and the University of Edinburgh. In 2005, $20 million was presented to Georgetown University to create the Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding, a $20 million donated to the Louvre in support of its collection of Islamic art.

Prince Alwaleed also made a $5 million donation to establish the Center for American Studies and Research (CASAR) at the American University in Beirut (AUB) and donated $10 million to finance both the construction of the Humanities and Social Sciences building in the new campus of the American University in Cairo (AUC), and the Institute of Arab and Islamic Studies at the University of Exeter, UK, received a 1 million euro endowment from the prince.

He also gave a $5 million gift to support Harvard Medical School’s research center in Dubai. He has also made donations to President George H.W. Bush Sr. Scholarship fund established by Phillips Academy, the Carter Center for Peace and the James Baker III Institute, Rice University.

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1 BlueCanuck  5/11/08 10:11:44 pm reply quote

With the amount of gouging they are doing for oil, I guess they can throw their money around. Too bad most of it comes with marionette strings attached.

2 The Other Les  5/11/08 10:12:29 pm reply quote

I should dig up the Demosthenes quote for this.

3 DesertSage  5/11/08 10:13:22 pm reply quote

Bush Sr. and James Baker also?

We're getting sold out by both political parties.

4 x-ray  5/11/08 10:13:48 pm reply quote

Jimmy's nut farming is paying big dividends it appears.

5 Dark_Falcon  5/11/08 10:14:27 pm reply quote

Every time Alwaleed bin Talal shows his face, he tries to hurt the USA. Rudy Giuliani was right tell him off. Every American needs to remember that Saudi Oil Ticks are not our friends.

6 The Other Les  5/11/08 10:15:01 pm reply quote

Here we go:

"There was once, O men of Athens, something in the minds of the people that is no longer there --something that defeated the might and wealth of Persia, that vindicated the liberty of Greece, the was never conquered on land or sea, and that is now gone, leaving all Greece in turmoil and dismay.

"And what was that? Nothing elaborate or abstruse, but the simple fact all men hated those who took bribes from the seekers of power and the agents of subversion. That was accounted the greatest of crimes, so that he who was convicted of having been corrupted of bribes or by favors was condemned to the ultimate penalty, with no room for excuse and no hope for pardon.

... But now everything is for sale ... For what are now the consequnces of treason? Envy, for those who have profited; laughter for those who confess; pardon for those who are convicted; and hatred--hatred is now reserved for the man who speaks harshly of treason."

-- Demosthenes, 341 B.C. (written three years before Athens lost her independence) ,

7 kynna  5/11/08 10:15:30 pm reply quote

What darkness in the soul can cause a person to accept a gift like this? You would just really have to care about nothing but money.

8 straitcircle  5/11/08 10:16:42 pm reply quote

our oil from them at work

9 zombie  5/11/08 10:16:43 pm reply quote

How can they in good conscience accept money from someone who is essentially a medieval tyrant?

With all their communist pretensions, these academics are not above being bribed by an elitist aristocrat who did nothing to earn his wealth except inherit it through a dynastic thugocracy?

Despicable hypocrites, all.

10 BlueCanuck  5/11/08 10:16:44 pm reply quote

Well everyone is for sale these days. I just wish that we had better people doing the buying.

/Oh wait, better people don't need to hide just behind money.

11 ggt  5/11/08 10:17:18 pm reply quote

re: #6 The Other Les

You got up-dinged and hearted for that one!

12 ORD neighbor  5/11/08 10:17:30 pm reply quote

I keep being surprised how cheaply some things are being bought, considering what's being sold.

13 straitcircle  5/11/08 10:18:12 pm reply quote

universities all over USA are taking Saudi money. In the 1970s, US domestic drilling hit its peak now we purchase our oil from all around – they are only 16% but that is daily.

14 ploome hineni  5/11/08 10:18:17 pm reply quote

...and what has he done to establish any industrial infrastructure in his country?

how much does he provide for CHristian studies in Saudi?

/oh...practising Christians are arrested and taken to jail

15 savage_nation[deleted]  5/11/08 10:18:32 pm
16 Consanescerion  5/11/08 10:18:49 pm reply quote

Carter remains the only U.S. President to have formally reported a UFO. Lot of firsts for that man.

17 bosforus  5/11/08 10:19:39 pm reply quote
He also gave a $5 million gift to support Harvard Medical School’s research center in Dubai.

Just what the world needs, more Muslim doctors.

18 ggt  5/11/08 10:19:45 pm reply quote

re: #16 Consanescerion

Think maybe he was actually abducted and experimented upon?

/would explain a lot.

19 RememberSekhmet?  5/11/08 10:19:46 pm reply quote

Instead of trying to buy souls, can't they at least try to play some fiddle for them?

20 savage_nation[deleted]  5/11/08 10:19:50 pm
21 The Other Les  5/11/08 10:20:12 pm reply quote

re: #11 ggt

You got up-dinged and hearted for that one!

Thanks.

22 ploome hineni  5/11/08 10:20:18 pm reply quote

re: #12 ORD neighbor

I keep being surprised how cheaply some things are being bought, considering what's being sold.

for LESS than the price of one Air Force JEt, the Saudis peacefully take over the ME studies at our most prestigious universities

23 Hawaiian cocoNUT  5/11/08 10:20:42 pm reply quote

Bringing the madrassas here! Shame on the institutes that accept petro-dollars from terrorist-supporting countries.

24 DesertSage  5/11/08 10:21:11 pm reply quote

re: #15 savage_nation

James Baker is a fucking pig. What did you expect from that fuckstick?

Isn't he the one who started this whole "We must talk to our enemies" thing?
Obama took him literally.

25 The Other Les  5/11/08 10:21:51 pm reply quote

re: #20 savage_nation

Why the hell didnt they scoop him up and take him away?

Perhaps they did. It as close to a reasonable explanation as we're going to get for his behavior.

26 zombie  5/11/08 10:22:11 pm reply quote
Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, chairman of Kingdom Foundation, had endowed $20 million in 2005 to establish an Islamic Studies program at Harvard University.

Last year, the guy was worth $29.5 billion. That's probably way up over $32 billion by now, considering the price of oil. To him, $20 million is the equivalent of vending machine money, something to toss in the penny tray at the corner store. And these dhimmis compete with each to see who can grovel the lowest to receive his largesse.

It's a humiliating master-slave scenario on a grotesque scale.

27 savage_nation[deleted]  5/11/08 10:22:27 pm
28 Droplet  5/11/08 10:22:52 pm reply quote

If we never seriously entered WWII it would be the Adolf Hitler National Socialist Studies Department. Let us celebrate!

29 savage_nation[deleted]  5/11/08 10:23:38 pm
30 Hawaiian cocoNUT  5/11/08 10:24:30 pm reply quote

James Baker is the Republicans' Carter.

31 The Other Les  5/11/08 10:25:28 pm reply quote

re: #29 savage_nation

Shit, we could have gotten ion drive technology!

Antigravity and lightspeed circumvention technology.

32 BlueCanuck  5/11/08 10:25:50 pm reply quote

re: #29 savage_nation

Shit, we could have gotten ion drive technology!

ummm we did. :)

33 Maximu§  5/11/08 10:26:15 pm reply quote

had endowed $20 million in 2005 to establish an Islamic Studies program at Harvard University. He was at Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts,

Its high time Harvard gets shut down...this is too much.

34 savage_nation[deleted]  5/11/08 10:26:34 pm
35 ggt  5/11/08 10:26:56 pm reply quote

I'm interested in the whole "anti-matter converter" concept.

Just think of the possibilities!

36 straitcircle  5/11/08 10:27:06 pm reply quote

re: #9 zombie

How can they in good conscience accept money from someone who is essentially a medieval tyrant?

With all their communist pretensions, these academics are not above being bribed by an elitist aristocrat who did nothing to earn his wealth except inherit it through a dynastic thugocracy?

Despicable hypocrites, all.

actually the US began to back the Saudis during Carter administration because they were anti-communists. They do not like the whabis islam , but pay them not to attack ( -1980s incident at Mecca). It is complicated but the US has supported tyrants since world war II, in its cold war ideology. Carter has Breskinski, a hardline conservative in his cabinet. Carter started the Muhajadeen movement against the Soviet threat, Regan picked up on it afterward.

Breskinski, former National Security Adviser to Jimmy Carter

37 least  5/11/08 10:27:35 pm reply quote

Islam=Bombs, beheadings and barbarism or peace, flowers and kids flying kites.
Which conclusion do you think they'll come to at Harvard?

If one really, objectively studied Islam -- one would come to an entirely different conclusion than what you'd come to following bin Talal's "Islamic Studies Program".

38 savage_nation[deleted]  5/11/08 10:27:42 pm
39 DesertSage  5/11/08 10:27:43 pm reply quote

I heard McCain say today that he will not drill in ANWR.

We're screwed! We need to drill for oil in our own backyard so we tell the oil ticks to go fuck themselves...and none of our leaders are willing to do it!

40 Dustyvet  5/11/08 10:27:55 pm reply quote

re: #17 bosforus

Just what the world needs, more Muslim doctors.

Muslim doctors refuse to 'scub up' in U.K hospitals

41 Colonel Panik  5/11/08 10:28:07 pm reply quote

re: #20 savage_nation

Why the hell didnt they scoop him up and take him away?

He's one of those "hybrids" the alien abduction people are always yammering on about on the Art Bell Show.

42 The Other Les  5/11/08 10:28:14 pm reply quote

re: #35 ggt

I'm interested in the whole "anti-matter converter" concept.

Just think of the possibilities!

Why antimatter? Why not direct conversion of matter to energy?

43 RememberSekhmet?  5/11/08 10:29:01 pm reply quote

re: #35 ggt

I'm interested in the whole "anti-matter converter" concept.

Just think of the possibilities!

But if it's anti-matter, does it really matter?

44 savage_nation[deleted]  5/11/08 10:29:10 pm
45 BlueCanuck  5/11/08 10:29:46 pm reply quote

re: #42 The Other Les

Why antimatter? Why not direct conversion of matter to energy?

Controlled or uncontrolled?

46 savage_nation[deleted]  5/11/08 10:30:06 pm
48 Slumbering Behemoth  5/11/08 10:30:59 pm reply quote

Somewhat OT: Speaking of oil, the average price of gas in my area is now $4.05/gal. for RU. If this trend continues I'm gonna hafta start selling my plasma just to keep my little four-banger moving.

Sorta pisses all over that lame-ass "No Blood for Oil" meme, in more ways than one.

49 savage_nation[deleted]  5/11/08 10:31:45 pm
50 The Other Les  5/11/08 10:31:48 pm reply quote

re: #45 BlueCanuck

Controlled or uncontrolled?

Controlled, of course.

[Link: www.schlockmercenary.com...]

51 The Other Les  5/11/08 10:33:16 pm reply quote

re: #49 savage_nation

Gimme a wormhole and I can go back in time and cut Mohammeds fucking head off.

You do realized that you'll butterfly effect all of us here out of existence?

52 Vinnie  5/11/08 10:33:20 pm reply quote

Oh, come on, this is hilarious!

This guy just blew millions of dollars on the failed ideology of Marxism. Personally, I would have spent it on booze and

Never mind.

53 savage_nation[deleted]  5/11/08 10:33:44 pm
54 zombie  5/11/08 10:33:47 pm reply quote

I like this tidbit from his wikipedia page:

Then there is the new $100 million palace. Even in Saudi Arabia, they are not building houses like this one any longer. In February, Alwaleed and his children are scheduled to move into a sand-colored palace whose 317 rooms are adorned with 1,500 tons of Italian marble, silk Oriental carpets, gold-plated faucets and 250 TV sets. It will have four kitchens, for Lebanese, Arabic, Continental and Asian cuisines, and a fifth just for dishing up desserts, run by chefs who can feed 2,000 people on an hour's notice. Their royal highnesses will be able to swim in a lagoon-shaped pool, or catch a film in the 45-seat basement cinema.[12]

BTW, the wikipedia page miscontrues his financial history, making it seem like he built up his fortune himself. But of course hidden in the sentence

Funded by a $30,000 loan from his father and a $300,000 mortgage on his house, he initially brokered deals with foreign firms wishing to do business in Saudi Arabia.[citations needed]

...is the unspoken fact that as the Prince of Saudi Arabia he essentially had personal control of the whole country, and foreign firms HAD to go through him. He basically was given a monopoly as his birthright.

"Citation needed" makes me think one of his minions edited the page to his liking.

55 ggt  5/11/08 10:34:11 pm reply quote

re: #42 The Other Les

I don't understand this stuff --I just know they are always talking about "anti-matter" on the Sci-Fi channel shows and in Sci-Fi books.

It seems really, really kewl!

Perhaps because we'd run out of matter --and anti-matter is currently an untapped resource?

/just conjecturing.

56 victor3>=D  5/11/08 10:35:12 pm reply quote

is this the same prince that owns a 15% share of FOX?
I haven't kept up to date with there business deals, help from an older lizardoid?

57 Ledger1  5/11/08 10:36:11 pm reply quote

re: #17 bosforus

Just what the world needs,

59 The Other Les  5/11/08 10:36:47 pm reply quote

re: #55 ggt

I don't understand this stuff --I just know they are always talking about "anti-matter" on the Sci-Fi channel shows and in Sci-Fi books.

It seems really, really kewl!

Perhaps because we'd run out of matter --and anti-matter is currently an untapped resource?

/just conjecturing.

The big problem is that there is at present no known source of natural antimatter. It all has to be created. Which if you do it on Earth means plugging into already existing energy sources.

60 savage_nation[deleted]  5/11/08 10:37:25 pm
61 ggt  5/11/08 10:38:05 pm reply quote

re: #56 victor3>=D

Using their money is an interesting tactic. I don't know how the law works, but I think there are different laws for money from outside the US. Meaning, it could work to our advantage. I mean, what are they going to do if they don't like what we do with the money? We are the one's holding.

62 Hawaiian cocoNUT  5/11/08 10:39:10 pm reply quote

I am sure the program's first Honorary Doctorate will be given to 00bama.

63 savage_nation[deleted]  5/11/08 10:39:35 pm
64 ggt  5/11/08 10:39:38 pm reply quote

re: #59 The Other Les

ah, thus the need for the Asgard power source as the ZPM will not support the anti-matter converter.

/Now, I understand.

65 BlueCanuck  5/11/08 10:39:50 pm reply quote

re: #55 ggt

Antimatter exists. They have made a few particles in particle supercolliders. And about 13 years ago they even managed to make a couple of atoms of anti-hydrogen(scroll down on the page). The unfortunate problem is right now the energy costs to make antimatter is prohibitive.

66 Challenger  5/11/08 10:40:29 pm reply quote

So now Harvard's gone sharia?
/s

67 The Other Les  5/11/08 10:40:50 pm reply quote

re: #64 ggt

ah, thus the need for the Asgard power source as the ZPM will not support the anti-matter converter.

/Now, I understand.

The late Sir Arthur C. Clarke was a big supporter of the concept of ZPE.

68 ggt  5/11/08 10:40:55 pm reply quote

re: #63 savage_nation

But, I thought we weren't using that much of their oil. The majority of our oil was coming from other places.

There are our citizens in the KSA to be concerned about.

69 savage_nation[deleted]  5/11/08 10:41:32 pm
70 ggt  5/11/08 10:41:41 pm reply quote

re: #67 The Other Les

ZP "E"?

71 victor3>=D  5/11/08 10:42:19 pm reply quote

Re #61 ggt

Perhaps send a nice man with a wired vest? Or accuse us of Islamophobia. The way "educational" institutions kowtow to idiotic multiculturalism, the money will likely be used in a manner acceptable to the Saudis.

72 Colonel Panik  5/11/08 10:42:19 pm reply quote

re: #44 savage_nation

oh great, and dont forget Richard C. Hoagland and Planet X!

Cydonia!

Ever read "Semper Mars"? US Marines battle French and Chicom UN troops for control of alien artifacts on Mars. Author basically takes the whole Hoagland alien artifacts on Mars concept and runs wild with it. It's a fun read.

73 BlueCanuck  5/11/08 10:42:27 pm reply quote

re: #64 ggt

ZPE actually is probably within our reach. Just needs a lot more research to actually get it up and running.

/ZPE is zero point energy. the joy of quantum mechanics.

74 The Other Les  5/11/08 10:42:50 pm reply quote

re: #70 ggt

ZP "E"?

Zero Point Energy.

75 savage_nation[deleted]  5/11/08 10:43:08 pm
76 savage_nation[deleted]  5/11/08 10:43:49 pm
77 ggt  5/11/08 10:43:55 pm reply quote

re: #65 BlueCanuck

"Antimatter is said to be the most expensive substance in existence, with an estimated cost of $300 billion per milligram. "

Yikes!

78 BlueCanuck  5/11/08 10:44:41 pm reply quote

In order to render these oil ticks obsolete we definitely need a "Manhattan" project to get beyond fossil fuels. Ethanols, and bio-diesels are nice and renewable but they still don't go beyond our current technology. What we need is something new and radical.

79 ggt  5/11/08 10:44:49 pm reply quote

re: #73 BlueCanuck

ah!

80 savage_nation[deleted]  5/11/08 10:45:15 pm
81 The Other Les  5/11/08 10:45:47 pm reply quote

re: #72 Colonel Panik

Cydonia!

Ever read "Semper Mars"? US Marines battle French and Chicom UN troops for control of alien artifacts on Mars. Author basically takes the whole Hoagland alien artifacts on Mars concept and runs wild with it. It's a fun read.

I'm probably going to get banned for this:

A Really Evil Idea, Updated.

It was originally posted on the Traveller Mailing List in 2002.

82 DesertSage  5/11/08 10:46:25 pm reply quote

The only way to wean ourselves from Middle East oil is to drill everywhere in the U.S. that we can, for the short term.
For the long term, we need to build a plethora of nuclear power plants. We can use the nuclear power to generate copious quantities electricity needed to create hydrogen so we can utilize fuel cells to power more vehicles.

Either way, we need to get the hell away from our dependency on Middle East oil...these people are blood sucking theives!
And the sooner the better!

83 ggt  5/11/08 10:47:15 pm reply quote

re: #71 victor3>=D

But it is not in their interest to bankrupt us. After-all we can live with out them and their oil --not well, but better than they can live in the f@cking desert without our money.

84 savage_nation[deleted]  5/11/08 10:48:04 pm
85 Marine Mom  5/11/08 10:49:29 pm reply quote

I attended a Lara Deeb (from UC Irvine) lecture at the Baker Institute at Rice a few weeks ago.
She began by telling us about Israel's assault on Lebanon in July 2006.
She had a power point slide show. She showed several photos of before and after shots of Beirut and other places- How this place was peaceful and beautiful, until Israel came along and started bombing innocent civilians. She gave no context, and did not say why Israel would be doing this.
She said even today innocent people are coming across bomblets made in the US, and distributed by Israel, and injuries and deaths are occuring. Her talk went on in this manner.
I was so pleased during the Q and A period, when most of the audience had great questions for her, and she had ridiculous explanations. It wasn't a friendly audience for her.
Went again last Wed., to hear Aaron David Miller speak.
The topic was "America's Elusive Search for
Arab-Israeli Peace: A Negotiatior Looks Back".
He was introduced by James Baker.
He considers 3 men to be in his "hall of fame" for their good works in
peace efforts, and they are: Jimmy Carter, Henry Kissinger, and James
Baker.
He believes it's important for Abbas and Olmert to engage in talks,
and produce documents; an agreement on paper is valuable. Only a few questions were asked. A historian (professor?) from Rice
asked why all three pres. candidates were pro-Israel. He said that
like it's a bad thing. The audience this time was polite, and seemed to believe the speaker and mostly agree with him.
Pretty disgusting.
No individual or institution should take money from Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, or anyone like him. For shame!

86 BlueCanuck  5/11/08 10:49:48 pm reply quote

re: #84 savage_nation

Yeah, I have seen and heard a bit about it. Still doesn't answer the new motive source of energy. What we should be saving oil for is the chemical bounty it represents. It's not just used for fuel.

87 Neo Con since 9-11  5/11/08 10:50:26 pm reply quote

re: #68 ggt

But, I thought we weren't using that much of their oil. The majority of our oil was coming from other places.

There are our citizens in the KSA to be concerned about.

True, about 70% of US oil imports come from Canada or Mexico. However, oil is a globally traded commodity so the oil we import from Canada & Mexico would go to Europe and Asia if arabia cut off the spigots. Also reduced supply means... say it with me class even higher prices.

88 psaturn  5/11/08 10:50:43 pm reply quote

Well...it is apparent that this is a thread we all can agree ! Whew !

So Saudi money is buying influence ...

And if our universities will conform to Saudi and Muslim ideals...doesn't that means we are whoring our universities? You know, sell our universities for a price? The way a whore gives her body to the john who pays her the money...

Guiliani understood that part...too bad he is not running for President...

89 savage_nation[deleted]  5/11/08 10:52:47 pm
90 BlueCanuck  5/11/08 10:53:52 pm reply quote

re: #89 savage_nation

Night savage. Drive safe.

91 The Other Les  5/11/08 10:54:36 pm reply quote

Good night.

92 ggt  5/11/08 10:54:52 pm reply quote

Windows encountered some problem and shut me down. What a PITA.

93 BlueCanuck  5/11/08 10:55:54 pm reply quote

re: #92 ggt

Isn't it wonderful? M$ the gift that keeps on giving.

/

94 Colonel Panik  5/11/08 10:56:21 pm reply quote

I worry everytime I go into an Italian restaurant that someone is going to order pasta and antipasta and there is going to be a huge flash of light and...

95 ggt  5/11/08 10:56:27 pm reply quote

re: #87 Neo Con since 9-11

higher prices than the Saudi's are going to charge? I'd rather be paying that money to democracies than to the KSA.

96 ggt  5/11/08 10:56:44 pm reply quote

re: #94 Colonel Panik

LOL

97 ploome hineni  5/11/08 11:00:37 pm reply quote

re: #88 psaturn

did you see my answer to you on the other thread?

98 psaturn  5/11/08 11:02:40 pm reply quote

re: #97 ploome hineni

did you see my answer to you on the other thread?

I just saw that....so you think Medura is not a Jew? At least she acknowledges she is an atheist...

99 gop_patriot  5/11/08 11:04:54 pm reply quote

re: #94 Colonel Panik

roflol!

And, I might have said this before, but I love your avatar and quote. :)

100 ploome hineni  5/11/08 11:05:11 pm reply quote

re: #98 psaturn

I think Medura is a team

lol

who thinks volume and vocabulary make her case

101 solomonpanting  5/11/08 11:05:19 pm reply quote

This endowment will make it possible to add strength in important disciplines such as the history of science and new areas of study

No doubt the persons of importance to be studied will be those countless Muslim scientists--Muhammad Newton, Muhammad Pasteur,
Muhammad Einstein, Muhammad Whitney, Muhammad Galilei.....

102 ploome hineni  5/11/08 11:06:49 pm reply quote

re: #101 solomonpanting

it used to be called dawah

now it is called endowing an islamic chair

same thing

how many CHristian endowments do the Saudis allow?

that is the measure

103 RememberSekhmet?  5/11/08 11:06:49 pm reply quote

well, weet dreams everybody.

Must.
Forcibly
Pull.
Myself.
Away.
From.
Parking.
Wars.......

104 psaturn  5/11/08 11:07:02 pm reply quote

re: #100 ploome hineni

I think Medura is a team

lol

who thinks volume and vocabulary make her case

Well...Medura does have an impressive vocabulary !

And the verbose insults were quite interesting...and she said she was Albanian?

105 ggt  5/11/08 11:07:16 pm reply quote

re: #98 psaturn

I think she needs to live with her husband to be for at least 10 years and have children before she decides the best fate of the world.

106 psaturn  5/11/08 11:07:34 pm reply quote

re: #102 ploome hineni

it used to be called dawah

now it is called endowing an islamic chair

same thing

how many CHristian endowments do the Saudis allow?

that is the measure

Good point ! OR a Jewish one !

107 psaturn  5/11/08 11:09:06 pm reply quote

re: #105 ggt

I think she needs to live with her husband to be for at least 10 years and have children before she decides the best fate of the world.

Yeah...I was thinking if she was proposing for world type government to an Islamist...they would er forcibly remove her from that nation...

108 ggt  5/11/08 11:12:34 pm reply quote

So did Lance get banned for ever or is on a reall-long time-out?

109 psaturn  5/11/08 11:12:38 pm reply quote

I am watching God.tv and they were broadcasting what happened today all over the world...Today is the World Day of Prayer...they are broadcasting a feed from Cairo Egypt and I am watching a Coptic priest preaching ...right in open air...imagine that ! And broadcast sent to all over the world../

There was The Call in Jerusalem at the same time...there were quite a few people at the Convention Center in Jerusalem !

God.TV is broadcast from Jerusalem, Israel...

110 ploome hineni  5/11/08 11:12:40 pm reply quote

re: #104 psaturn

Well...Medura does have an impressive vocabulary !

And the verbose insults were quite interesting...and she said she was Albanian?

and I am Paris Hilton

:P

111 psaturn  5/11/08 11:13:56 pm reply quote

re: #108 ggt

I got the impression that it was 4ver...

It was unfortunate but I do understand it...he was getting out of line...attitude wise...

112 Colonel Panik  5/11/08 11:14:49 pm reply quote

re: #99 gop_patriot

roflol!

And, I might have said this before, but I love your avatar and quote. :)

And I must say that I am quite the fan of Bucky Katt.

Some other lizard gave me the avatar when I said I was looking for a picture of "The Colonel" from Monty Python.

I'm actually a Unix Kernel.

113 ggt  5/11/08 11:14:58 pm reply quote

re: #111 psaturn

Yes unfortunate. I guess I thought a long-time poster would know better.

114 ploome hineni  5/11/08 11:15:12 pm reply quote

PY

she really managed to annoy Buzzsaw, I thought that was hilarious

/it is really a waste of time to take her babblings seriously

115 psaturn  5/11/08 11:15:37 pm reply quote

re: #110 ploome hineni

and I am Paris Hilton

:P

Really ? How is that little chihuahua? What's his name?

Have you cut your alcohol intake ?

116 itellu3times  5/11/08 11:16:17 pm reply quote

re: #43 RememberSekhmet?

But if it's anti-matter, does it really matter?

If it's anti-matter, you have to get up before noon.