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Saudi Money for Harvard and Jimmy Carter

Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:09:33 pm PDT

Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, whose $10 million contribution was turned down by Rudy Giuliani in the days after the 9/11 attacks, is showering American colleges and political institutions (like the Jimmy Carter Center for Peace and the James Baker Institute) with multi-million dollar donations: Harvard Islamic Studies Program Opened.

CAMBRIDGE, Mass., 10 May 2008 — Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, chairman of Kingdom Foundation, had endowed $20 million in 2005 to establish an Islamic Studies program at Harvard University. He was at Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts, on Thursday to inaugurate the program.

The program was named “Prince Alwaleed bin Talal Islamic Studies Program.” Roy P. Mottahedeh, professor of history in the Faculty of Arts and Sciences, had been appointed director of the program. ...

The foundation has funded many cultural, educational and philanthropic projects globally including a £16 million endowment to create two new research centers for Islamic studies at the University of Cambridge and the University of Edinburgh. In 2005, $20 million was presented to Georgetown University to create the Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding, a $20 million donated to the Louvre in support of its collection of Islamic art.

Prince Alwaleed also made a $5 million donation to establish the Center for American Studies and Research (CASAR) at the American University in Beirut (AUB) and donated $10 million to finance both the construction of the Humanities and Social Sciences building in the new campus of the American University in Cairo (AUC), and the Institute of Arab and Islamic Studies at the University of Exeter, UK, received a 1 million euro endowment from the prince.

He also gave a $5 million gift to support Harvard Medical School’s research center in Dubai. He has also made donations to President George H.W. Bush Sr. Scholarship fund established by Phillips Academy, the Carter Center for Peace and the James Baker III Institute, Rice University.

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1 BlueCanuck  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:11:44pm

With the amount of gouging they are doing for oil, I guess they can throw their money around. Too bad most of it comes with marionette strings attached.

2 The Other Les  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:12:29pm

I should dig up the Demosthenes quote for this.

3 DesertSage  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:13:22pm

Bush Sr. and James Baker also?

We're getting sold out by both political parties.

4 x-ray  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:13:48pm

Jimmy's nut farming is paying big dividends it appears.

5 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:14:27pm

Every time Alwaleed bin Talal shows his face, he tries to hurt the USA. Rudy Giuliani was right tell him off. Every American needs to remember that Saudi Oil Ticks are not our friends.

6 The Other Les  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:15:01pm

Here we go:

"There was once, O men of Athens, something in the minds of the people that is no longer there --something that defeated the might and wealth of Persia, that vindicated the liberty of Greece, the was never conquered on land or sea, and that is now gone, leaving all Greece in turmoil and dismay.

"And what was that? Nothing elaborate or abstruse, but the simple fact all men hated those who took bribes from the seekers of power and the agents of subversion. That was accounted the greatest of crimes, so that he who was convicted of having been corrupted of bribes or by favors was condemned to the ultimate penalty, with no room for excuse and no hope for pardon.

... But now everything is for sale ... For what are now the consequnces of treason? Envy, for those who have profited; laughter for those who confess; pardon for those who are convicted; and hatred--hatred is now reserved for the man who speaks harshly of treason."

-- Demosthenes, 341 B.C. (written three years before Athens lost her independence) ,

7 kynna  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:15:30pm

What darkness in the soul can cause a person to accept a gift like this? You would just really have to care about nothing but money.

8 straitcircle  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:16:42pm

our oil from them at work

9 zombie  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:16:43pm

How can they in good conscience accept money from someone who is essentially a medieval tyrant?

With all their communist pretensions, these academics are not above being bribed by an elitist aristocrat who did nothing to earn his wealth except inherit it through a dynastic thugocracy?

Despicable hypocrites, all.

10 BlueCanuck  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:16:44pm

Well everyone is for sale these days. I just wish that we had better people doing the buying.

/Oh wait, better people don't need to hide just behind money.

11 ggt  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:17:18pm

re: #6 The Other Les

You got up-dinged and hearted for that one!

12 ORD neighbor  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:17:30pm

I keep being surprised how cheaply some things are being bought, considering what's being sold.

13 straitcircle  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:18:12pm

universities all over USA are taking Saudi money. In the 1970s, US domestic drilling hit its peak now we purchase our oil from all around – they are only 16% but that is daily.

14 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:18:17pm
15 savage_nation[deleted]  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:18:32pm
16 Consanescerion  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:18:49pm

Carter remains the only U.S. President to have formally reported a UFO. Lot of firsts for that man.

17 bosforus  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:19:39pm
He also gave a $5 million gift to support Harvard Medical School’s research center in Dubai.

Just what the world needs, more Muslim doctors.

18 ggt  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:19:45pm

re: #16 Consanescerion

Think maybe he was actually abducted and experimented upon?

/would explain a lot.

19 RememberSekhmet?  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:19:46pm

Instead of trying to buy souls, can't they at least try to play some fiddle for them?

20 savage_nation[deleted]  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:19:50pm
21 The Other Les  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:20:12pm

re: #11 ggt

You got up-dinged and hearted for that one!

Thanks.

22 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:20:18pm
23 Hawaiian cocoNUT  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:20:42pm

Bringing the madrassas here! Shame on the institutes that accept petro-dollars from terrorist-supporting countries.

24 DesertSage  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:21:11pm

re: #15 savage_nation

James Baker is a fucking pig. What did you expect from that fuckstick?

Isn't he the one who started this whole "We must talk to our enemies" thing?
Obama took him literally.

25 The Other Les  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:21:51pm

re: #20 savage_nation

Why the hell didnt they scoop him up and take him away?

Perhaps they did. It as close to a reasonable explanation as we're going to get for his behavior.

26 zombie  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:22:11pm
Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, chairman of Kingdom Foundation, had endowed $20 million in 2005 to establish an Islamic Studies program at Harvard University.

Last year, the guy was worth $29.5 billion. That's probably way up over $32 billion by now, considering the price of oil. To him, $20 million is the equivalent of vending machine money, something to toss in the penny tray at the corner store. And these dhimmis compete with each to see who can grovel the lowest to receive his largesse.

It's a humiliating master-slave scenario on a grotesque scale.

27 savage_nation[deleted]  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:22:27pm
28 Droplet  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:22:52pm

If we never seriously entered WWII it would be the Adolf Hitler National Socialist Studies Department. Let us celebrate!

29 savage_nation[deleted]  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:23:38pm
30 Hawaiian cocoNUT  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:24:30pm

James Baker is the Republicans' Carter.

31 The Other Les  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:25:28pm

re: #29 savage_nation

Shit, we could have gotten ion drive technology!

Antigravity and lightspeed circumvention technology.

32 BlueCanuck  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:25:50pm

re: #29 savage_nation

Shit, we could have gotten ion drive technology!

ummm we did. :)

33 Maximu§  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:26:15pm

had endowed $20 million in 2005 to establish an Islamic Studies program at Harvard University. He was at Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts,

Its high time Harvard gets shut down...this is too much.

34 savage_nation[deleted]  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:26:34pm
35 ggt  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:26:56pm

I'm interested in the whole "anti-matter converter" concept.

Just think of the possibilities!

36 straitcircle  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:27:06pm

re: #9 zombie

How can they in good conscience accept money from someone who is essentially a medieval tyrant?

With all their communist pretensions, these academics are not above being bribed by an elitist aristocrat who did nothing to earn his wealth except inherit it through a dynastic thugocracy?

Despicable hypocrites, all.

actually the US began to back the Saudis during Carter administration because they were anti-communists. They do not like the whabis islam , but pay them not to attack ( -1980s incident at Mecca). It is complicated but the US has supported tyrants since world war II, in its cold war ideology. Carter has Breskinski, a hardline conservative in his cabinet. Carter started the Muhajadeen movement against the Soviet threat, Regan picked up on it afterward.

Breskinski, former National Security Adviser to Jimmy Carter

37 least  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:27:35pm

Islam=Bombs, beheadings and barbarism or peace, flowers and kids flying kites.
Which conclusion do you think they'll come to at Harvard?

If one really, objectively studied Islam -- one would come to an entirely different conclusion than what you'd come to following bin Talal's "Islamic Studies Program".

38 savage_nation[deleted]  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:27:42pm
39 DesertSage  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:27:43pm

I heard McCain say today that he will not drill in ANWR.

We're screwed! We need to drill for oil in our own backyard so we tell the oil ticks to go fuck themselves...and none of our leaders are willing to do it!

40 Dustyvet  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:27:55pm

re: #17 bosforus

Just what the world needs, more Muslim doctors.

Muslim doctors refuse to 'scub up' in U.K hospitals

41 Colonel Panik  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:28:07pm

re: #20 savage_nation

Why the hell didnt they scoop him up and take him away?

He's one of those "hybrids" the alien abduction people are always yammering on about on the Art Bell Show.

42 The Other Les  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:28:14pm

re: #35 ggt

I'm interested in the whole "anti-matter converter" concept.

Just think of the possibilities!

Why antimatter? Why not direct conversion of matter to energy?

43 RememberSekhmet?  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:29:01pm

re: #35 ggt

I'm interested in the whole "anti-matter converter" concept.

Just think of the possibilities!

But if it's anti-matter, does it really matter?

44 savage_nation[deleted]  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:29:10pm
45 BlueCanuck  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:29:46pm

re: #42 The Other Les

Why antimatter? Why not direct conversion of matter to energy?

Controlled or uncontrolled?

46 savage_nation[deleted]  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:30:06pm
47 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:30:39pm
48 Slumbering Behemoth  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:30:59pm

Somewhat OT: Speaking of oil, the average price of gas in my area is now $4.05/gal. for RU. If this trend continues I'm gonna hafta start selling my plasma just to keep my little four-banger moving.

Sorta pisses all over that lame-ass "No Blood for Oil" meme, in more ways than one.

49 savage_nation[deleted]  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:31:45pm
50 The Other Les  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:31:48pm

re: #45 BlueCanuck

Controlled or uncontrolled?

Controlled, of course.

[Link: www.schlockmercenary.com...]

51 The Other Les  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:33:16pm

re: #49 savage_nation

Gimme a wormhole and I can go back in time and cut Mohammeds fucking head off.

You do realized that you'll butterfly effect all of us here out of existence?

52 Vinnie  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:33:20pm

Oh, come on, this is hilarious!

This guy just blew millions of dollars on the failed ideology of Marxism. Personally, I would have spent it on booze and

Never mind.

53 savage_nation[deleted]  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:33:44pm
54 zombie  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:33:47pm

I like this tidbit from his wikipedia page:

Then there is the new $100 million palace. Even in Saudi Arabia, they are not building houses like this one any longer. In February, Alwaleed and his children are scheduled to move into a sand-colored palace whose 317 rooms are adorned with 1,500 tons of Italian marble, silk Oriental carpets, gold-plated faucets and 250 TV sets. It will have four kitchens, for Lebanese, Arabic, Continental and Asian cuisines, and a fifth just for dishing up desserts, run by chefs who can feed 2,000 people on an hour's notice. Their royal highnesses will be able to swim in a lagoon-shaped pool, or catch a film in the 45-seat basement cinema.[12]

BTW, the wikipedia page miscontrues his financial history, making it seem like he built up his fortune himself. But of course hidden in the sentence

Funded by a $30,000 loan from his father and a $300,000 mortgage on his house, he initially brokered deals with foreign firms wishing to do business in Saudi Arabia.[citations needed]

...is the unspoken fact that as the Prince of Saudi Arabia he essentially had personal control of the whole country, and foreign firms HAD to go through him. He basically was given a monopoly as his birthright.

"Citation needed" makes me think one of his minions edited the page to his liking.

55 ggt  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:34:11pm

re: #42 The Other Les

I don't understand this stuff --I just know they are always talking about "anti-matter" on the Sci-Fi channel shows and in Sci-Fi books.

It seems really, really kewl!

Perhaps because we'd run out of matter --and anti-matter is currently an untapped resource?

/just conjecturing.

56 victor3>=D  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:35:12pm

is this the same prince that owns a 15% share of FOX?
I haven't kept up to date with there business deals, help from an older lizardoid?

57 Ledger1  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:36:11pm

re: #17 bosforus

Just what the world needs, more Muslim doctors.

Oh, the GasCaniStan Man. I remember something about him getting kicked in the nuts by a cabbie – which he richly deserved.

58 bosforus  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:36:35pm
59 The Other Les  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:36:47pm

re: #55 ggt

I don't understand this stuff --I just know they are always talking about "anti-matter" on the Sci-Fi channel shows and in Sci-Fi books.

It seems really, really kewl!

Perhaps because we'd run out of matter --and anti-matter is currently an untapped resource?

/just conjecturing.

The big problem is that there is at present no known source of natural antimatter. It all has to be created. Which if you do it on Earth means plugging into already existing energy sources.

60 savage_nation[deleted]  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:37:25pm
61 ggt  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:38:05pm

re: #56 victor3>=D

Using their money is an interesting tactic. I don't know how the law works, but I think there are different laws for money from outside the US. Meaning, it could work to our advantage. I mean, what are they going to do if they don't like what we do with the money? We are the one's holding.

62 Hawaiian cocoNUT  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:39:10pm

I am sure the program's first Honorary Doctorate will be given to 00bama.

63 savage_nation[deleted]  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:39:35pm
64 ggt  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:39:38pm

re: #59 The Other Les

ah, thus the need for the Asgard power source as the ZPM will not support the anti-matter converter.

/Now, I understand.

65 BlueCanuck  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:39:50pm

re: #55 ggt

Antimatter exists. They have made a few particles in particle supercolliders. And about 13 years ago they even managed to make a couple of atoms of anti-hydrogen(scroll down on the page). The unfortunate problem is right now the energy costs to make antimatter is prohibitive.

66 Challenger  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:40:29pm

So now Harvard's gone sharia?
/s

67 The Other Les  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:40:50pm

re: #64 ggt

ah, thus the need for the Asgard power source as the ZPM will not support the anti-matter converter.

/Now, I understand.

The late Sir Arthur C. Clarke was a big supporter of the concept of ZPE.

68 ggt  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:40:55pm

re: #63 savage_nation

But, I thought we weren't using that much of their oil. The majority of our oil was coming from other places.

There are our citizens in the KSA to be concerned about.

69 savage_nation[deleted]  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:41:32pm
70 ggt  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:41:41pm

re: #67 The Other Les

ZP "E"?

71 victor3>=D  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:42:19pm

Re #61 ggt

Perhaps send a nice man with a wired vest? Or accuse us of Islamophobia. The way "educational" institutions kowtow to idiotic multiculturalism, the money will likely be used in a manner acceptable to the Saudis.

72 Colonel Panik  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:42:19pm

re: #44 savage_nation

oh great, and dont forget Richard C. Hoagland and Planet X!

Cydonia!

Ever read "Semper Mars"? US Marines battle French and Chicom UN troops for control of alien artifacts on Mars. Author basically takes the whole Hoagland alien artifacts on Mars concept and runs wild with it. It's a fun read.

73 BlueCanuck  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:42:27pm

re: #64 ggt

ZPE actually is probably within our reach. Just needs a lot more research to actually get it up and running.

/ZPE is zero point energy. the joy of quantum mechanics.

74 The Other Les  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:42:50pm

re: #70 ggt

ZP "E"?

Zero Point Energy.

75 savage_nation[deleted]  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:43:08pm
76 savage_nation[deleted]  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:43:49pm
77 ggt  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:43:55pm

re: #65 BlueCanuck

"Antimatter is said to be the most expensive substance in existence, with an estimated cost of $300 billion per milligram. "

Yikes!

78 BlueCanuck  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:44:41pm

In order to render these oil ticks obsolete we definitely need a "Manhattan" project to get beyond fossil fuels. Ethanols, and bio-diesels are nice and renewable but they still don't go beyond our current technology. What we need is something new and radical.

79 ggt  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:44:49pm

re: #73 BlueCanuck

ah!

80 savage_nation[deleted]  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:45:15pm
81 The Other Les  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:45:47pm

re: #72 Colonel Panik

Cydonia!

Ever read "Semper Mars"? US Marines battle French and Chicom UN troops for control of alien artifacts on Mars. Author basically takes the whole Hoagland alien artifacts on Mars concept and runs wild with it. It's a fun read.

I'm probably going to get banned for this:

A Really Evil Idea, Updated.

It was originally posted on the Traveller Mailing List in 2002.

82 DesertSage  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:46:25pm

The only way to wean ourselves from Middle East oil is to drill everywhere in the U.S. that we can, for the short term.
For the long term, we need to build a plethora of nuclear power plants. We can use the nuclear power to generate copious quantities electricity needed to create hydrogen so we can utilize fuel cells to power more vehicles.

Either way, we need to get the hell away from our dependency on Middle East oil...these people are blood sucking theives!
And the sooner the better!

83 ggt  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:47:15pm

re: #71 victor3>=D

But it is not in their interest to bankrupt us. After-all we can live with out them and their oil --not well, but better than they can live in the f@cking desert without our money.

84 savage_nation[deleted]  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:48:04pm
85 Marine Mom  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:49:29pm

I attended a Lara Deeb (from UC Irvine) lecture at the Baker Institute at Rice a few weeks ago.
She began by telling us about Israel's assault on Lebanon in July 2006.
She had a power point slide show. She showed several photos of before and after shots of Beirut and other places- How this place was peaceful and beautiful, until Israel came along and started bombing innocent civilians. She gave no context, and did not say why Israel would be doing this.
She said even today innocent people are coming across bomblets made in the US, and distributed by Israel, and injuries and deaths are occuring. Her talk went on in this manner.
I was so pleased during the Q and A period, when most of the audience had great questions for her, and she had ridiculous explanations. It wasn't a friendly audience for her.
Went again last Wed., to hear Aaron David Miller speak.
The topic was "America's Elusive Search for
Arab-Israeli Peace: A Negotiatior Looks Back".
He was introduced by James Baker.
He considers 3 men to be in his "hall of fame" for their good works in
peace efforts, and they are: Jimmy Carter, Henry Kissinger, and James
Baker.
He believes it's important for Abbas and Olmert to engage in talks,
and produce documents; an agreement on paper is valuable. Only a few questions were asked. A historian (professor?) from Rice
asked why all three pres. candidates were pro-Israel. He said that
like it's a bad thing. The audience this time was polite, and seemed to believe the speaker and mostly agree with him.
Pretty disgusting.
No individual or institution should take money from Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, or anyone like him. For shame!

86 BlueCanuck  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:49:48pm

re: #84 savage_nation

Yeah, I have seen and heard a bit about it. Still doesn't answer the new motive source of energy. What we should be saving oil for is the chemical bounty it represents. It's not just used for fuel.

87 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:50:26pm

re: #68 ggt

But, I thought we weren't using that much of their oil. The majority of our oil was coming from other places.

There are our citizens in the KSA to be concerned about.

True, about 70% of US oil imports come from Canada or Mexico. However, oil is a globally traded commodity so the oil we import from Canada & Mexico would go to Europe and Asia if arabia cut off the spigots. Also reduced supply means... say it with me class even higher prices.

88 psaturn  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:50:43pm

Well...it is apparent that this is a thread we all can agree ! Whew !

So Saudi money is buying influence ...

And if our universities will conform to Saudi and Muslim ideals...doesn't that means we are whoring our universities? You know, sell our universities for a price? The way a whore gives her body to the john who pays her the money...

Guiliani understood that part...too bad he is not running for President...

89 savage_nation[deleted]  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:52:47pm
90 BlueCanuck  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:53:52pm

re: #89 savage_nation

Night savage. Drive safe.

91 The Other Les  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:54:36pm

Good night.

92 ggt  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:54:52pm

Windows encountered some problem and shut me down. What a PITA.

93 BlueCanuck  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:55:54pm

re: #92 ggt

Isn't it wonderful? M$ the gift that keeps on giving.

/

94 Colonel Panik  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:56:21pm

I worry everytime I go into an Italian restaurant that someone is going to order pasta and antipasta and there is going to be a huge flash of light and...

95 ggt  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:56:27pm

re: #87 Neo Con since 9-11

higher prices than the Saudi's are going to charge? I'd rather be paying that money to democracies than to the KSA.

96 ggt  Sun, May 11, 2008 10:56:44pm

re: #94 Colonel Panik

LOL

97 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:00:37pm
98 psaturn  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:02:40pm

re: #97 ploome hineni

did you see my answer to you on the other thread?

I just saw that....so you think Medura is not a Jew? At least she acknowledges she is an atheist...

99 gop_patriot  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:04:54pm

re: #94 Colonel Panik

roflol!

And, I might have said this before, but I love your avatar and quote. :)

100 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:05:11pm
101 solomonpanting  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:05:19pm

This endowment will make it possible to add strength in important disciplines such as the history of science and new areas of study

No doubt the persons of importance to be studied will be those countless Muslim scientists--Muhammad Newton, Muhammad Pasteur,
Muhammad Einstein, Muhammad Whitney, Muhammad Galilei.....

102 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:06:49pm
103 RememberSekhmet?  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:06:49pm

well, weet dreams everybody.

Must.
Forcibly
Pull.
Myself.
Away.
From.
Parking.
Wars.......

104 psaturn  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:07:02pm

re: #100 ploome hineni

I think Medura is a team

lol

who thinks volume and vocabulary make her case

Well...Medura does have an impressive vocabulary !

And the verbose insults were quite interesting...and she said she was Albanian?

105 ggt  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:07:16pm

re: #98 psaturn

I think she needs to live with her husband to be for at least 10 years and have children before she decides the best fate of the world.

106 psaturn  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:07:34pm

re: #102 ploome hineni

it used to be called dawah

now it is called endowing an islamic chair

same thing

how many CHristian endowments do the Saudis allow?

that is the measure

Good point ! OR a Jewish one !

107 psaturn  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:09:06pm

re: #105 ggt

I think she needs to live with her husband to be for at least 10 years and have children before she decides the best fate of the world.

Yeah...I was thinking if she was proposing for world type government to an Islamist...they would er forcibly remove her from that nation...

108 ggt  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:12:34pm

So did Lance get banned for ever or is on a reall-long time-out?

109 psaturn  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:12:38pm

I am watching God.tv and they were broadcasting what happened today all over the world...Today is the World Day of Prayer...they are broadcasting a feed from Cairo Egypt and I am watching a Coptic priest preaching ...right in open air...imagine that ! And broadcast sent to all over the world../

There was The Call in Jerusalem at the same time...there were quite a few people at the Convention Center in Jerusalem !

God.TV is broadcast from Jerusalem, Israel...

110 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:12:40pm
111 psaturn  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:13:56pm

re: #108 ggt

I got the impression that it was 4ver...

It was unfortunate but I do understand it...he was getting out of line...attitude wise...

112 Colonel Panik  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:14:49pm

re: #99 gop_patriot

roflol!

And, I might have said this before, but I love your avatar and quote. :)

And I must say that I am quite the fan of Bucky Katt.

Some other lizard gave me the avatar when I said I was looking for a picture of "The Colonel" from Monty Python.

I'm actually a Unix Kernel.

113 ggt  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:14:58pm

re: #111 psaturn

Yes unfortunate. I guess I thought a long-time poster would know better.

114 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:15:12pm
115 psaturn  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:15:37pm

re: #110 ploome hineni

and I am Paris Hilton

:P

Really ? How is that little chihuahua? What's his name?

Have you cut your alcohol intake ?

116 itellu3times  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:16:17pm

re: #43 RememberSekhmet?

But if it's anti-matter, does it really matter?

If it's anti-matter, you have to get up before noon.

117 ggt  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:16:33pm

Well, Lizards, it's way past my bedtime.

have a great evening/morning and

weet dreams!

118 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:16:49pm
119 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:16:50pm

re: #95 ggt

higher prices than the Saudi's are going to charge? I'd rather be paying that money to democracies than to the KSA.

Most people are not going to be happy at $8-$10 a gallon gasoline. The minor slow down in production from the saudis nearly doubled prices

120 psaturn  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:16:51pm

re: #113 ggt

Yes unfortunate. I guess I thought a long-time poster would know better.

Yeah...I do understand his position too...it was getting a little personal as he probably felt his faith was attacked...being a Creationist and all...

121 psaturn  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:17:28pm

re: #118 ploome hineni

lol

good idea, I think I will go make a margarita

brb

No no no...I mean CUT DOWN ! or are you making a virgin margarita ?

122 psaturn  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:18:06pm

re: #117 ggt

Well, Lizards, it's way past my bedtime.

have a great evening/morning and

weet dreams!

WHAT !?

123 BlueCanuck  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:18:27pm

re: #117 ggt

Night ggt, Weet dreams to you tonight.

124 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:18:30pm

Nighties ggt

125 BlueCanuck  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:20:22pm

re: #124 Neo Con since 9-11

Hey, I just noticed that the slash in your nic has been replaced. Special treatment from the grand lizard? :)

126 Colonel Panik  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:22:30pm

re: #84 savage_nation

I have been reading up quite a bit on flywheel technologies. Pretty cutting edge stuff.


But how do they harness the flies so they are all moving in the same direction to spin the wheel? And if you need to spin a bigger wheel, I suppose houseflies or bluebottles won't do, you'll have to use horseflies and the damn things bite!

127 gop_patriot  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:23:05pm

re: #112 Colonel Panik

And I must say that I am quite the fan of Bucky Katt.

Some other lizard gave me the avatar when I said I was looking for a picture of "The Colonel" from Monty Python.

I'm actually a Unix Kernel.

Kernil Panic! LOL, got it.

/post-mortem debugging, sounds gross

128 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:23:58pm

re: #125 BlueCanuck

Starting a couple weeks ago, after a code change the slash started borking the data base. So he changed it and I thank you for that again Charles if you're still around.

129 gop_patriot  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:24:04pm

re: #127 gop_patriot

Kernel, PIMF

130 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:24:59pm

Not a techie so not sure if I phrased that quite right.

131 gop_patriot  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:28:12pm

re: #128 Neo Con since 9-11

the slash started borking the data base.

So that was you, was it? ;)

/"the slash started borking the data base" would make a good rotating title LOL

132 solomonpanting  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:28:15pm
re: #110 ploome hineni
re: #104 psaturn

Well...Medura does have an impressive vocabulary !

And the verbose insults were quite interesting...and she said she was Albanian?

and I am Paris Hilton

:P

Her linked site.

133 BlueCanuck  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:29:25pm

re: #127 gop_patriot

Kernil Panic! LOL, got it.

/post-mortem debugging, sounds gross

Kernel Panic?

134 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:31:16pm
135 Killian Bundy  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:34:02pm

Bugged by the miracle of Obama

Is anyone else bothered by the superhuman rise of Barack Obama? Granted all his virtues, his intelligence, his fast footwork, and the grand rhetoric of his stump speech. Does anyone feel bothered by the fact that he has a conspicuously invisible track record, and that his Illinois years are marred by doctrinaire leftism and intimate connections with the Chicago Machine?

Here's a telling fact: Michelle Obama is the daughter of a Daley Machine precinct captain. She grew up watching Chicago politics up close; now she is its biggest homegrown star. Maybe it's not that hard to understand Obama marrying Michelle and blasting off like a Delta rocket at Canaveral. Lots of Chicago loyalists must be counting on their share of the 2,700 appointed positions in a new US administration. Others are figuring how to get fat government contracts -- to help the poor and oppressed, of course.

/Chicago corruption goes to Washington

136 Alberta Oil Peon  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:36:36pm

re: #81 The Other Les

I'm probably going to get banned for this:

A Really Evil Idea, Updated.

It was originally posted on the Traveller Mailing List in 2002.

Why the hell do I get a Google 403 error when I try to access that link?

137 Colonel Panik  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:36:38pm

re: #133 BlueCanuck

Kernel Panic?

Jeez, it's like Dilbert, only with no fantasy animals and even more deadpan. LOL.

138 BlueCanuck  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:37:58pm

re: #137 Colonel Panik

His Help Desk is not bad either. Old style web comics done cheap.

139 gop_patriot  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:41:02pm

re: #133 BlueCanuck

Kernel Panic?

Ok, see, I don't get that at all. Must be a techie thing... It seems funny, but I have no frame of reference whatsoever, so it makes no sense to me! :p

140 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:41:16pm

re: #131 gop_patriot

Wow. My very first rotating title nomination. Thanks. I'm not sure what to do. Do I need to campaign for the office of rotating title? Do I need a blimp? Will I hurt my chances if I call you all "Bitter and clingy"? Should I shed a tear on national TV? So many questions.

141 Killian Bundy  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:42:14pm

re: #132 solomonpanting

That's what was trying to lecture me on U.S. Constitutional law? Oh and she studies economics and is "very pro" gold standard, nevermind that there isn't a country on the face of the earth that still has a currency backed by precious metals. Think there might be a reason for that?

/[expletive deleted] Paulian nutcase tool

142 solomonpanting  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:42:38pm

re: #134 ploome hineni

Perhaps she's merely the outgoing type.
One thing that's a bit harsh, though, is her introduction:

The most urgent thing you need to know about me: Kejda is read Kayda (or [al] Qaeda, if that’s what strikes your fancy). It makes me cringe when someone actually pronounces the ‘j’ in my name.

Imagine someone actually pronouncing all the letters! Oh, the horror!

143 gop_patriot  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:50:21pm

re: #140 Neo Con since 9-11

Wow. My very first rotating title nomination. Thanks. I'm not sure what to do. Do I need to campaign for the office of rotating title? Do I need a blimp? Will I hurt my chances if I call you all "Bitter and clingy"? Should I shed a tear on national TV? So many questions.

LOL! :)

144 psaturn  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:51:54pm

re: #132 solomonpanting

Wow !

She is a Jew !

145 psaturn  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:53:11pm

re: #134 ploome hineni

I agree !

146 ledger1  Sun, May 11, 2008 11:55:15pm

Speaking terrorism, the KSA and bombs, a post on prior thread indicated a gang of girls poured some sort of purple liquid into a house in the UK and it exploded.

Apparently, the 26 year old male who has an odd last name (maybe Middle Eastern) is at the center of it.

Does anybody have any more information on this item?

See: Gang of girls 'blew up house with home-made bomb over row about boy'

[and]

House explosion: Mystery purple liquid poured through letterbox before blast

147 gop_patriot  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:00:25am

re: #146 ledger1

I think the man who died was just a neighbor, and not involved in any way. That's just what I get from the reports, but who knows...

I have to say that my main question is, if the girl called 999 (like our 911), what did the police do? Did they respond? It sounds like they didn't; but the articles don't say. Could this have been averted if a policeman had been dispatched?

148 solomonpanting  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:01:23am

re: #144 psaturn

Wow !

She is a Jew !

From her site:

Anti-Religion (Especially those religions with aggressive dhimmifying tendencies)

149 gkong3  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:01:31am

Yipes, I don't even know what to comment on anymore. I guess I should know LGF by now, but I'm a poor male with little to no multi-tasking, multi-threading capacity - call me Win3.11 heh.

Someone whose opinion I respect (if not always agree with) believes this is the US idea of mind games - first, we purchase your dwindling natural resources, watch you piss waste your money on frivolities for the most part, and THEN, when you're all out, we start pumping our own crude.

Um. I dunno. You can do a lot of damage with the kind of money being pumped into the Middle East right now. On either side. And that kind of long-term strategic thinking seems a little too involved for the current lot of pollies to come up with.

You know what I would like to see these Saudi princes and sheikhs do just once? Just ONCE? Donate some money to non-religious charities and relief funds, especially those dedicated to human and women's rights. Doubt it's ever gonna happen, though.

And you know what I'd like to see these liberal academic institutions do just once? Just ONCE? REFUSE THE MONEY!

Like that's gonna happen either. Dhimmis in the world's freest country. How sad.

Leave me out of the quantum mechanics discussions, please. The moment you use Lewis Carroll's made-up names to describe your particles, I feel like Alice in Wonderland. Not to mention properties called 'silly'. Eep. And quantum fluctuations? Holy Heisenberg's Kitty Kat!

:)

150 gop_patriot  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:04:31am

Has anyone seen LeePro around lately? I hope she's doing OK.

151 ledger1  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:05:30am

re: #147 gop_patriot

Yes, I would think police intervention would have been of help.

More troubling is the access to “liquid” explosives by relatively young girls. Think what master terrorists would have done.

152 JHW  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:05:52am

Hollywood celebs (from the original movie) brush off a real Pvt. Ryan
Take the Money and Run

153 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:06:45am

re: #150 gop_patriot

Saw her last night. Didn't say anything about problems.

/nothing new I think.

154 pat  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:07:08am

Does Chertoff know? Obama? Did they pay for Jenna's wedding? Were the Saudis there?

155 psaturn  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:07:31am

re: #148 solomonpanting

Yeah I saw that...that is what she kept talking about earlier...and several of us (Christians and Jews) were debating her that you cannot get religious people out of the government and politics...

156 pat  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:07:51am

re: #150 gop_patriot

Has anyone seen LeePro around lately? I hope she's doing OK.

It is mothers day. She has 3 kids.

157 redc1c4  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:12:52am

re: #153 BlueCanuck

Saw her last night. Didn't say anything about problems.

/nothing new I think.

other than being cranky..... %-)

/white smoke

158 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:15:16am

re: #157 redc1c4

Hmmm, I wonder why that was. *minor glare*

159 redc1c4  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:18:46am

re: #158 BlueCanuck

Hmmm, I wonder why that was. *minor glare*

what did i do yesterday?

/as opposed to all the others.....

160 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:21:12am

re: #159 redc1c4

*sigh* Sorry, but sometimes people don't understand your humour. I think it may be just general build up.

161 gop_patriot  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:21:41am

re: #153 BlueCanuck

Saw her last night. Didn't say anything about problems.

/nothing new I think.

Thanks, I seem to remember she was going to have an appointment on Monday, and I wanted to wish her luck. :)

re: #156 pat

It is mothers day. She has 3 kids.

Yeah, I know, LOL. Lee bought me a coffee the other day. ;) We're both from Memphis, and when I go home, we try and meet up. :) I was just wondering, since she'd not been feeling well, and I checked the last few nights, but must've just missed her.

162 gop_patriot  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:22:29am

re: #159 redc1c4

what did i do yesterday?

/as opposed to all the others.....

LOL Hiya, red. :)

163 gop_patriot  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:25:13am

re: #152 JHW

Hollywood celebs (from the original movie) brush off a real Pvt. Ryan
Take the Money and Run

Thanks, I'll be emailing this link to some people. Some weird excuses not to lend your name to a freaking list, saying "I believe this is a good idea". They have to work, so they can't support a bill? Ridiculous. It's only because the word "Iraq" is mentioned, and they think they'll be blacklisted.

164 redc1c4  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:26:53am

re: #161 gop_patriot

Yeah, I know, LOL. Lee bought me a coffee the other day. ;) We're both from Memphis, and when I go home, we try and meet up. :) I was just wondering, since she'd not been feeling well, and I checked the last few nights, but must've just missed her.

she's been toting more than her fair share of freight these days, and sometimes it gets to be a bit much. (surprise) last info was that she was getting a second opinion on the major w*rk she was thinking about having done, prior to pulling the trigger on it. if you talk to her before she hows here, give her my best wishes.

165 redc1c4  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:27:30am

re: #162 gop_patriot

LOL Hiya, red. :)

cheers!

/change!

166 redc1c4  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:28:30am

re: #160 BlueCanuck

*sigh* Sorry, but sometimes people don't understand your humour. I think it may be just general build up.

maybe i can change?

167 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:28:58am

re: #165 redc1c4

cheers!

/change!

/drink

168 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:30:00am

re: #166 redc1c4

I don't think that's possible. Old and set in your ways I think.

/not old old, just experienced.

169 redc1c4  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:33:30am

re: #168 BlueCanuck

I don't think that's possible. Old and set in your ways I think.

/not old old, just experienced.

aged, but not old........

(except the legs. they're NMC for sure. %-)

170 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:35:17am

re: #169 redc1c4

LOL, I can sympathize with that feeling. Nothing like the infantry to kill your knees.

171 gop_patriot  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:36:05am

re: #164 redc1c4

I'll sure tell her.

Just read your last journal entry, too funny! Of course, I don't get all the military-speak, so it took me a minute to figure out what the heck you were saying. ;)

172 redc1c4  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:37:52am

re: #170 BlueCanuck

LOL, I can sympathize with that feeling. Nothing like the infantry to kill your knees.

and your taste buds, your inhibitions, your standards.......

/Ollag the Cave Man

173 Suzette  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:38:23am

re: #163 gop_patriot

Indeed.....thinly veiled that they do not want to be associated with the war. Disgusting too I might add. Didn't they say these stars they they support the soldiers but not the war? Hogwash. They have distanced themselves and have ruled this an illegal war...which it is not. They are completely out of touch with this country and it's people...yet they are Hollywood stars? I think they need to come out of their ivory towers and get back in touch with the people they make money off of.

174 pat  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:39:22am

Do you know they have mothers day in Austria, Britain, and Mexico? Today?

175 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:39:45am

re: #173 Suzette

{ { { { {Suzette} } } }!

Good morning. Long time no see.

176 redc1c4  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:39:58am

re: #171 gop_patriot

I'll sure tell her.

Just read your last journal entry, too funny! Of course, I don't get all the military-speak, so it took me a minute to figure out what the heck you were saying. ;)

the day started out crappy, then got worse, but i mucked my way through it all, and didn't get crapped on.

/that's a win in the Infantry %-)

177 Suzette  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:41:09am

re: #175 BlueCanuck

Hey { { { {Blue} } } }! Yeah I am not up as late as I use to be.
New meds. Tonight I am. Good to see you too! Hope you are doing well! :)

178 gop_patriot  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:43:35am

re: #174 pat

Really? All on the same day? I did not know that. :)

179 gop_patriot  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:43:55am

re: #173 Suzette

Well said, and hi! How are you?

180 redc1c4  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:44:08am

re: #173 Suzette

Indeed.....thinly veiled that they do not want to be associated with the war. Disgusting too I might add. Didn't they say these stars they they support the soldiers but not the war? Hogwash. They have distanced themselves and have ruled this an illegal war...which it is not. They are completely out of touch with this country and it's people...yet they are Hollywood stars? I think they need to come out of their ivory towers and get back in touch with the people they make money off of.

better yet, just cut the scum off from their dollars: quit seeing their movies, quit renting their DVDs/Tapes, don't download their on line offerings and don't hit the web sights.

i go one farther: these days when someone comes to the door asking to film in my neighborhood, i specifically fill out the form that says no, and ask them why they don't film in Canada instead..... the looks are priceless.

181 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:44:35am

re: #177 Suzette

Glad to hear that you are not as much as a night owl. Things are going great for me. New career is starting to move. Seeing a gorgeous lady now. Spending time with our puppy. It's been a busy month. :)

182 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:46:10am

re: #83 ggt

But it is not in their interest to bankrupt us. After-all we can live with out them and their oil --not well, but better than they can live in the f@cking desert without our money.

But it is in their(the oil ticks) interest to bankrupt the US and that is exactly what they - the oil ticks, Russia, China and this coalition the Mullah's have put together - are attempting and may succeed in doing.

Q: What are our goals for Iraq & Afghanistan?

quick semi-A: To bring about the semi-liberalization of 2 Muslim states to serve as models for other states within the region, ie., regime change, liberalization, reform.

This is an enormous threat, especially to those states of culture stuck on stagnate and yearning for a period of economic & military dominance.

183 Suzette  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:46:18am

re: #179 gop_patriot

Hey {Gop}! Doing all right. Been quiet but reading the threads a lot.
And you? Hope you are doing all right. :)

184 Suzette  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:48:40am

re: #180 redc1c4

I make sure I do not ....spend any money on any of the hog wash anti - American crap they have been pushing out of Hollywood the past year and do take note who are the stars and the makers of these vile movies.

185 gop_patriot  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:48:40am

re: #149 gkong3

Was going to respond to this earlier but got sidetracked. Good comment, you should post more! :)

186 Suzette  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:50:49am

re: #181 BlueCanuck

Wow! So glad to hear that Blue! You deserve things to go your way.
/What a cute puppy too! :)

187 gop_patriot  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:51:29am

re: #183 Suzette

I've been reading more than commenting lately. Out of town a couple of times, then this week, we've had a virusy-cold-thingie going around the house. Yay. LOL

And thankfully, the bad storms yesterday gave us a miss (went north and south of us).

188 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:52:16am

re: #186 Suzette

Yeah, and he knows it too. Hard taking him for a walk in the daytime. Stopping every two minutes for the petting tribute from strangers.

/he's shameless in his attention grabbing.

189 Suzette  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:55:06am

re: #187 gop_patriot

I will go through phases of not commenting much/ not much to say.
Well I hope the virus -cold is clearing up and am very glad to hear you missed those storms. Seems there have been a lot of bad storms this week.

190 Suzette  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:56:04am

re: #188 BlueCanuck

Aren't most pups? He is a cutie though! :)

191 AmeriDan  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:02:38am

re: #150 gop_patriot

Has anyone seen LeePro around lately? I hope she's doing OK.

She's fine. Recieved email from her today. I let her know you were asking about her in my reply.

Regards,

Danny

/Drive by posting... back to the trenches (work).

192 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:04:09am

McConnell: Democrats will 'turn us into France'

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, in a likely preview of the Republican line of attack in the general election, said Democratic leaders and Mr. Obama "get up every morning with three things on their minds: more taxes, more regulation and more litigation."

"It's pretty clear to me that the Democratic agenda is to turn us into France," the Kentucky Republican told The Washington Times in an unusually blunt interview at his office in the Capitol. "Americans may want change, but the question is, what kind of change?"

/hammer it home for the next six months!

193 freetoken  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:14:15am

re: #192 Killian Bundy

Yes but....

Sen. McCain explicitly has said he wants to imitate France. Well, at least on the part of greatly expanding nuclear energy.

194 gop_patriot  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:15:25am

re: #191 AmeriDan

Thanks, Dan. :)

re: #192 Killian Bundy

McConnell: Democrats will 'turn us into France'

/hammer it home for the next six months!

AMEN

195 Suzette  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:21:37am

re: #192 Killian Bundy

I truly am concerned if either Barack or Hillary get into office.
They are clueless on the war and I am afraid that they will certainly do more harm than any good. Sure this country has survived bad Presidents before....but a bad president right now, at this time, I really don't want to think about it!
/does this mean car being set on fire will start to become a common occurance here like in France too?

196 redc1c4  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:25:55am

re: #195 Suzette

I truly am concerned if either Barack or Hillary get into office.
They are clueless on the war and I am afraid that they will certainly do more harm than any good. Sure this country has survived bad Presidents before....but a bad president right now, at this time, I really don't want to think about it!
/does this mean car being set on fire will start to become a common occurance here like in France too?

not in *my* driveway...... %-)

197 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:27:24am

re: #195 Suzette

I don't think we will have to worry about carbeques here in North America. At least not as bad as over there.

/2nd amendment is a great deterrent.

198 Render  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:27:57am

re: #196 redc1c4

Nor my yard.

KOREAN
SHOP
KEEPERS,
R

199 Suzette  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:30:19am

re: #197 BlueCanuck

I was thinking the same thing. Things could go badly!
/I have no doubt though that Barack would open the doors even wider to Islamic immigration here. Just a feeling I get. Maybe I am off the mark......

200 Suzette  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:31:49am

re: #196 redc1c4

To be honest not in my drive-way either! :)

201 redc1c4  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:32:10am

re: #198 Render

Nor my yard.

KOREAN
SHOP
KEEPERS,
R

i was in San Antonio when the last riots in Lost Angels occurred....

it was weird standing there, watching things on the screen and saying "i know where that is." or "i've been there."......

/1965 i was in Hawaii

(timing is *everything*! %-)

202 redc1c4  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:35:47am

re: #200 Suzette

To be honest not in my drive-way either! :)

remember: even with a bayonet attached, the M-1 Garand is *not* an assault weapon......

/unless you're taking a position. %-)

Harmony Church Rules

203 Suzette  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:39:41am

re: #202 redc1c4

I did not know that....well I learn something new every day!
/Thanks red! :)

204 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:40:11am

re: #202 redc1c4

A fixed bayonet is only good for one target at a time. And used in large groups of like equipped, trained people. Think ranks of mini-pikes.

205 redc1c4  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:46:02am

re: #204 BlueCanuck

A fixed bayonet is only good for one target at a time. And used in large groups of like equipped, trained people. Think ranks of mini-pikes.

unless, of course, your target is the psyche of the OPFOR. a fixed bayonet is a PSYWAR weapon, on both sides, and it w*rks.

besides, the gun freaks here have imbued the existence of a bayonet lug with mystical powers bestowed upon the weapon it resides upon, regardless of the reality of it's existence. who are *you* to question them?

"what is the spirit of the bayonet?"

206 Sprite  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:46:37am

Just stopping in for a moment...

Hello Suzette, Killian and All!

Suzette, it is my belief, based on facts, that Obama is a taqiyya talking Islamist. Witness: his support for Odinga, Wright (and his Masters Degree in Islam), Farrakhan, Ayers, NOI.....

I am an optimist, generally speaking. However, two nights ago I arrived at the sad realization that Obamamahdi will win in November.

It is hard to believe that this is a possible reality.

207 redc1c4  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:48:09am

re: #203 Suzette

I did not know that....well I learn something new every day!
/Thanks red! :)

here to help..... and that big oak/maple/other american hard wood stock w*rks really well when it comes time to cold cock some moron, as does the metal butt plate.

/teeth for days. %-)

208 Suzette  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:48:23am

Well time for bed....
Night Blue and Red and all other lizards!
Hope you all have a great day! :)

209 Neo Con since 9-11  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:48:38am

OT but at this point I don't see it matters.
Good interview with Brooke Goldstein over at Front Page today on Islamic Lawfare.

Goldstein: One tenant of Sha'aria law is to punish those who criticize Islam, and to silence speech considered blasphemous against Islam or its Prophet Mohammed.

The Islamist movement has two wings – that which operates violently, propagating suicide-homicide bombing and other terrorist activities, and that which operates lawfully, conducting a "soft jihad," within our court systems, through Sha'aria banking, within our school systems and through organizations such as the Council on American-Islamic Relations and the Canadian Islamic Congress. Both the violent and the lawful arms of the Islamist movement can and do work apart, but often, their work re-enforces each other's.

210 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:50:45am

re: #207 redc1c4
If I recall my training correctly, after the parry you followed through with a butt stroke.

re: #208 Suzette

Night {Suzette} weet dreams.

211 redc1c4  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:51:28am

re: #208 Suzette

Well time for bed....
Night Blue and Red and all other lizards!
Hope you all have a great day! :)

there's beer in the frig, so that's a given.

/same back atcha!

212 Sprite  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:52:48am

G'night Suzette. Impeccable timing on my part....lol.

213 redc1c4  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:54:02am

re: #210 BlueCanuck

If I recall my training correctly, after the parry you followed through with a butt stroke.

funny..... my training always started out with an aggressive move.

must be a 'merkin thing, eh?

214 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:55:42am

re: #213 redc1c4

The parry was to remove his fixed bayonet to open him wide for massive pain and stomping.

/methods, and methods.
//also it's been years so I may be wrong.

215 gop_patriot  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:57:45am

re: #206 Sprite

Obama has a master's degree in islam?

/I don't know if he'll win or not, but I'm praying not.

216 gop_patriot  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:58:09am

re: #208 Suzette

Goodnight, Suzette. Sleep well. :)

217 littleoldlady  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:00:01am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --------------->
Help yourselves!

218 redc1c4  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:01:30am

re: #214 BlueCanuck

The parry was to remove his fixed bayonet to open him wide for massive pain and stomping.

/methods, and methods.
//also it's been years so I may be wrong.

well, my favorite initial move has always been an open sheaf 155 TOT with HE-VT & WP in effect........

(that or at least a Claymore. %-)

/fuck "fair".

219 Sprite  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:01:55am

re: #215 gop_patriot

No gop, his reverend does...screenshot here

220 gop_patriot  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:02:13am

re: #209 Neo Con since 9-11

Thanks for the link, I've saved it to read tomorrow. I'm too tired to do anything but listen to music right now. lol

re: #217 littleoldlady

How do you do that? LOL! I looked up, saw "4:00 AM" on my computer, hit "new comments" and voila, there you were, 2:00:01 AM. =)

/fruitcup has lots of vitamin C, right? *cough hack sneeze* ;)

221 Neo Con since 9-11  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:02:21am

Morning Little Old Lady
/Snatches the fruit cup fills it with vodka

222 littleoldlady  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:02:35am

Driveby fruiting...

I just figured out (after hours of staring at it) what this project I'm doing is supposed to look like.

Now I have to go do it. :-(

Hey Suzette! Sprite! gop! The Colors Boys (Blue & red)! and all the ships at sea...

223 Sprite  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:02:49am

Hello, lol, hope you are well!

224 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:02:52am

re: #218 redc1c4

Now that's thinking I can get behind. There's no such thing as overkill.

225 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:03:30am

re: #222 littleoldlady

Hi littleoldlady, bye littleoldlady. Have a fun day.

/hates drivebys.

226 littleoldlady  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:04:57am

Neo Con since 9-11! :-)

gop,

Fruitcup is very healthy for you. You should have two helpings today!

/littleoldlady passes on the fruitcup and slinks away with a bag of Hershey's Nuggets®

227 freetoken  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:05:48am

re: #217 littleoldlady

I hope it's not spiked tonight... I have to stay late and work on an essay...

228 littleoldlady  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:06:12am

Off to the salt mines...

/verybigsigh :-(

Good day, ALL!™

229 gop_patriot  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:07:26am

re: #219 Sprite

No gop, his reverend does...screenshot here

Thank you! I misread what you posted, sorry. It's still incredible, I would love to see the thesis... :X

230 Ledger1  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:09:31am

re: #146 ledger1

Speaking terrorism, the KSA and bombs, a post on prior thread indicated a gang of girls poured some sort of purple liquid into a house in the UK and it exploded.

Apparently, the 26 year old male who has an odd last name (maybe Middle Eastern) is at the center of it.

Does anybody have any more information on this item?

See: Gang of girls 'blew up house with home-made bomb over row about boy'

[and]

House explosion: Mystery purple liquid poured through letterbox before blast


I got a little more information and a lot of speculation.

The mother of the victim says the explosion was not over a boy.

The 26 year old man who died was a Pakistani who house was also destroyed. Some reports indicate that there was no natural gas leak – supposedly, the authorities check'd the gas lines.

Here is the speculation on the purple liquid from the freepers (take it with a grain of salt):

posted on Sunday, May 11, 2008 3:33:07 PM by MainFrame65:

Nitrogen tri-iodide?

Some of the chem majors used to make tiny quantities of NI3 in the dorms for various mischief back in the late 50’s.

posted on Sunday, May 11, 2008 3:41:00 PM by airedale:

In very small quantities in the open when it’s still wet it’s OK but as it dries and if it’s contained it’s really powerful. It was also very unstable. If that’s what they used that’s scary.

35 posted on Sunday, May 11, 2008 3:44:26 PM by airedale:

Yes, but under the right conditions when hasn’t dried it will still explode. BTW it’s red not purple but does leave a purple cloud. If you want to watch a UTube vido of some of it going up go here: ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KlAf936E90

posted on Sunday, May 11, 2008 3:52:44 PM by editor-surveyor:

"Nitrogen tri-iodide?"

For sure!

Very easy to transport wet, but one gram of dry crystal will blow a tire off it's wheel as it rolls.

74 posted on Sunday, May 11, 2008 7:01:37 PM by ASOC:

Hummm

Purple and goes bang.

Document Type and Number:United States Patent 4892597 Link to this page:http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4892597.html
Abstract:A liquid explosive composition having a density of about 1.282 grams/mL and comprising a mixture of

(a) nitromethane,
(b) trinitrotoluene, and
(c) pyridine.

Said ingredients being present in a weight ratio of about 60-64 parts nitromethane; 34-29.5 parts trinitrotoluene; and 6-6.5 parts pyridine.

Oddly - the liquid mix is a deep purple in color. OF course is - where would these young people have gooten the TNT let alone the pyridine...but this product fits the description and the effects of the blast.

See: picture of destroyed houses and discussion

231 gop_patriot  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:10:04am

re: #226 littleoldlady

LOL! Good to know.

(((littleoldlady))) Have a great day!

232 Sprite  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:12:51am

re: #229 gop_patriot

OMG, yes, imagine that thesis! Hmm.. Might it be available from Chicago's Divinity School? Will look into that ASAP; i.e, after Wednesday. Snowed under until then.

Good night sweet Lizards. Be well. My prayers go with you...

233 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:15:02am

re: #230 Ledger1

I don't think you need TNT to make it. The mixing of the ingredients will form the proper needs. I have seen it used as a prank. But that's just along the lines a wee dab will do ya.

234 redc1c4  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:15:57am

re: #224 BlueCanuck

Now that's thinking I can get behind. There's no such thing as overkill.

yup......
if you think something is overkill you weren't thinking large enough to begin with.

/all Claymores get 2 WP grenades wired/det corded to the face....

235 redc1c4  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:17:30am

re: #225 BlueCanuck

Hi littleoldlady, bye littleoldlady. Have a fun day.

/hates drivebys.

no problem with drivebys.... you just have to lead them. %-)

236 redc1c4  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:18:10am

re: #227 freetoken

I hope it's not spiked tonight... I have to stay late and work on an essay...

bummer for you.

/it's spiked *every* night. %-)

237 Neo Con since 9-11  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:19:43am

re: #230 Ledger1

I think the 24 hour rule applies to speculation on what the purple liquid is. Having said that, I chuckle at the thought of girls bombing a guy in a country that allows the stoning of rape victims. Thelma and Louise gone even wilder.

238 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:21:20am

re: #237 Neo Con since 9-11

I read both articles. I think the poor sucker was what you would call collateral damage. Nothing shows that he was linked to the intended victim.

/still sucks though

239 gop_patriot  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:22:06am

The family from hell:

'British values mean nothing to me,' says the gipsy mother who forced her daughter to marry at 13

"I'll be the one who decides if my daughter is old enough to marry. I got married when I was 14 in such a ceremony and it hasn't done me any harm.

"Just because I live in Britain doesn't mean I've got to behave the way you lot think is right. I'll live my life the way I want and that includes the way I bring up my kids.

"I don't care what the neighbours think, or social services. It's not my problem people around here don't understand our culture and values."

Ah, and they're such classy people, too:

Bozena continues to share a cramped two-bedroom terraced house in East Ham, with 14 relatives. Her parents do not make her, or any of her siblings, go to school.

Neighbours say the family, who live on benefits and do not pay rent, are terrorising the street by playing loud music late at night, throwing rubbish into neighbours' gardens and spitting on their windows.

240 redc1c4  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:27:00am

re: #239 gop_patriot

The family from hell:

'British values mean nothing to me,' says the gipsy mother who forced her daughter to marry at 13

/they're lucky i'm not a neighbor though....... %-)

241 gop_patriot  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:32:57am

re: #240 redc1c4

/they're lucky i'm not a neighbor though....... %-)

Problem is, in the UK they would have taken your guns and destroyed them by now. You'd be unarmed, could you defend yourself against a whole houseful of crazy people? (OK, you probably could. lol But what about a single woman, or an older couple? Young family with kids?) And the police there probably wouldn't come to your aid if you confronted the vandals, they'd arrest you for causing a problem by calling them out. UGH

242 Clemente  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:36:26am

re: #239 gop_patriot

This is the generation upon whose eagerly adopted work ethic, anticipated prosperity, and docile cultural integration the aging British and European elites hope to build their retirement.

/Strike three! And the visitors are coming to bat...

243 Neo Con since 9-11  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:38:25am

re: #238 BlueCanuck

I think the poor sucker was what you would call collateral damage.

I think the poor rape victims were what you would call collateral damage. Nothing shows they were they were the intended victim. That's what makes it ironic.

244 redc1c4  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:40:44am

re: #241 gop_patriot

Problem is, in the UK they would have taken your guns and destroyed them by now. You'd be unarmed, could you defend yourself against a whole houseful of crazy people? (OK, you probably could. lol But what about a single woman, or an older couple? Young family with kids?) And the police there probably wouldn't come to your aid if you confronted the vandals, they'd arrest you for causing a problem by calling them out. UGH

old age & treachery will *always* beat youth and enthusiasm.

/i'm *never* unarmed..... it's all about the training. %-)

245 gop_patriot  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:43:00am

re: #242 Clemente

This is the generation upon whose eagerly adopted work ethic, anticipated prosperity, and docile cultural integration the aging British and European elites hope to build their retirement.

/Strike three! And the visitors are coming to bat...

God help the UK.

/the US still has a chance to stop it before it gets that bad

246 gop_patriot  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:45:36am

re: #244 redc1c4

old age & treachery will *always* beat youth and enthusiasm.

/i'm *never* unarmed..... it's all about the training. %-)

Sorry, didn't know you were old. Had a feeling about the treacherous, though. HA! just kidding.

If I move into a crappy neighborhood, you are officially invited over to intimidate all my neighbors. :)

247 Clemente  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:46:07am

re: #245 gop_patriot

God help the UK.

/the US still has a chance to stop it before it gets that bad

I echo your prayer, earnestly and often.

248 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:48:02am

Good morning, Lizards.

249 Neo Con since 9-11  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:48:38am

Morning Goddess

250 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:48:43am

Good morning goddess. Ready to take on the world?

/after coffee of course.

251 gop_patriot  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:50:29am

re: #248 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning!

And goodnight, y'all, I'm finally tired. :) Talk to you all later, hope you all have a great day!

252 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:51:22am

{Neo con since9-11}
{Blue Canuck}

I'm getting there!

253 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:52:12am

{gop_patriot}

Sleep well!

254 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:53:56am

night gop_patriot. weet dreams.

255 Clemente  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:55:02am

re: #248 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, goddess. My wish for all great teachers: Before the week's out, may each of your classes amaze and astonish you!

256 redc1c4  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:55:05am

re: #246 gop_patriot

Sorry, didn't know you were old. Had a feeling about the treacherous, though. HA! just kidding.

If I move into a crappy neighborhood, you are officially invited over to intimidate all my neighbors. :)

if you move to a crappy neighborhood, *you* have to intimidate them....or it won't w*rk.

(but i'll be glad to help reinforce the impression. %-)

257 redc1c4  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:57:55am

re: #255 Clemente

Good morning, goddess. My wish for all great teachers: Before the week's out, may each of your classes amaze and astonish you!

i've taught a few different times..... i'd settle for them not disgusting me.

258 Clemente  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:02:50am

re: #257 redc1c4

...i'd settle for them not disgusting me.

A probability of significantly lower order, but theoretically non-zero, I guess.

259 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:03:22am

re: #255 Clemente

Good morning, goddess. My wish for all great teachers: Before the week's out, may each of your classes amaze and astonish you!

Oh, to one extent or another, they will!

260 Annar  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:16:58am

Of course they won't call these different centers what they really are, namely fronts for the propagation of the faith. Put the infidels to sleep with centers promoting disarmament peace while getting the girls ready for the veil and the boys for jihad in the name of Allah peaceful inner struggle.

Eventually the target populations will pay the money back in the form of the Jizya. Involuntary advance repayment of for these "gifts" is already taking place at the pumps.

261 opnion  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:19:38am

Good Morning lizards!

262 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:21:03am

{opnion}! Good morning!

263 Clemente  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:21:07am

There's so much wrong in this tiny AwtP footnote,

Gaza official: Fuel supply resumes to Gaza plant

that I just can't pluck out where to begin...

264 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:21:50am

morning opnion. Slow day today. Maybe that's a good thing.

265 opnion  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:22:38am

re: #264 BlueCanuck

morning opnion. Slow day today. Maybe that's a good thing.

Good morning Blue. Yup, it does seem slow.

266 rightside  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:23:23am

Morning Lizards!

was waiting to pounce on the early morning thread!

267 opnion  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:23:32am

0ops & Good morning Goddess.

268 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:24:28am

re: #263 Clemente

"Extra" fuel probably went where they wanted it. Not neccessarily into the generator.

269 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:25:09am

re: #266 rightside

Don't think there's going to be one. This thread is pretty small for the early hours.

/then again it started late

270 opnion  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:27:39am

Hmmm, anybody thinking anything about anything?

271 rightside  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:28:04am

re: #269 BlueCanuck

I concur...seems to be happening more often, although I haven't been here long enough to see a pattern... Just seems to me that there used to be one everyday for a while.

272 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:30:16am

re: #271 rightside

I think the Grand Lizard has a script that runs. When thread >= X comments post a new thread. Only way I can see it. He has to sleep sometime.

273 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:30:18am

Hi opnion! :)

I'm sorta down, as I've had a very serious confrontation with a Communist friend.
He's been a friend most of our lifes, our families have known each other for three or four generations.

But the divide is so HUGE now, there's nothing a communist and I can share. Nothing.

So to the effing trash can with a 37 year old friendship.

I'm VERY angry right now. If I knew how to hate I would hate him with all my heart now.

He's the typical perfect idiot, filled with BS.

/I said something ;)

274 opnion  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:31:37am

Ok, how many of the 59 States will Barry carry in the Fall?

275 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:32:12am

re: #274 opnion

Ok, how many of the 59 States will Barry carry in the Fall?

Everybody knows he will carry Chiapas...

276 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:32:46am

re: #270 opnion

Hmmm, anybody thinking anything about anything?

I'm thinking about how long I should sit in a deck chair of the Titanic that is my church.

I am an orthodox Episcopalian in a conservative diocese. The diocese is preparing to separate from the national Episcopal church because it has moved further and further away from its scriptural foundations.

If the diocese realigns under a more orthodox umbrella, our little parish will have to choose to realign also or to stay with TEC. It's going to be very difficult no matter what.

277 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:32:53am

re: #273 MigueldowninMexico

Morning Miguel. Sorry to hear that. Sometimes long lasting friendships must go the way of the dumpster. I cut myself off from one friend I had known since I was 12. Reasons were many, but his hard drinking, and refusal to let things in the past go were the big ones.

/needed a drinking buddy, I ended up with too many blackouts.

278 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:34:04am

re: #274 opnion

I hope Ontario says no and goes American Red/Canadian Blue. :)

/red up here is liberal or lefty. Orange is the socialists.

279 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:34:42am

re: #273 MigueldowninMexico

Hi opnion! :)

I'm sorta down, as I've had a very serious confrontation with a Communist friend.
He's been a friend most of our lifes, our families have known each other for three or four generations.

But the divide is so HUGE now, there's nothing a communist and I can share. Nothing.

So to the effing trash can with a 37 year old friendship.

I'm VERY angry right now. If I knew how to hate I would hate him with all my heart now.

He's the typical perfect idiot, filled with BS.

/I said something ;)

{MigueldowninMexico}

Hate the evil that has beguiled your friend and pray that he will see truth.

Sometimes, though, I have learned that people will choose to remain with evil because it suits them better than the sacrifices goodness demands.

280 opnion  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:34:44am

re: #273 MigueldowninMexico

Miguel, good morning. I am sorry to hear about your friendship loss.
It is a very painful thing.
When they are that far left, rational discussion is usually not possible.
Hang in there, the friendship might come back.

281 opnion  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:35:56am

re: #275 MigueldowninMexico

Everybody knows he will carry Chiapas...

I think that Havana is in the bag.

282 storagemanager  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:36:09am
CHONGQING — A powerful, magnitude 7.8 earthquake struck mountainous central China on Monday, killing five people when two primary schools and a water tower collapsed, state media reported.

Four children died when their schools in Chongqing municipality collapsed, the official Xinhua News Agency said. More than 100 students were injured, including two who were seriously hurt, the report said.

One person was killed after the temblor toppled a water tower in neighboring Sichuan province, Xinhua said.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

283 storagemanager  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:38:25am
"Allah hath promised such of you as believe and do good work that He will surely make them to succeed (the present rulers) in the earth..."

[Link: jihadwatch.org...]

284 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:38:45am

re: #282 storagemanager

Ah great, have to call my mom and find out where my brother is living.

/heard he moved from Chengdu last year.

285 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:39:29am

re: #277 BlueCanuck

Morning Miguel. Sorry to hear that. Sometimes long lasting friendships must go the way of the dumpster. I cut myself off from one friend I had known since I was 12. Reasons were many, but his hard drinking, and refusal to let things in the past go were the big ones.

/needed a drinking buddy, I ended up with too many blackouts.


Interesting!
My ex-friend is an alcoholic who hasn't drunk a drop for 24 years now. But he has that personality (clinging too much to feelings (usually hurt feelings) and not let things go!
He was hyper angry last Friday and today (Sunday) over his candidate being stolen the Presidency in July 2006. We had two big rows over the week-end.
It's interesting how you say "refusal to let things in the past go". I think it is part of the "alcoholic personality" (yes, there is one).
What do you think?

/Thanks for your words :)

286 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:40:02am

re: #276 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm thinking about how long I should sit in a deck chair of the Titanic that is my church.

I am an orthodox Episcopalian in a conservative diocese. The diocese is preparing to separate from the national Episcopal church because it has moved further and further away from its scriptural foundations.

If the diocese realigns under a more orthodox umbrella, our little parish will have to choose to realign also or to stay with TEC. It's going to be very difficult no matter what.

Goddess. Again, you'll always be very welcome with us ;)

287 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:40:33am

re: #280 opnion

Miguel, good morning. I am sorry to hear about your friendship loss.
It is a very painful thing.
When they are that far left, rational discussion is usually not possible.
Hang in there, the friendship might come back.

Thanks for those words ;)

288 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:40:59am

re: #281 opnion

I think that Havana is in the bag.

Havana is a cinch! With Raulito as VP!
lol

289 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:41:56am

re: #286 MigueldowninMexico

Goddess. Again, you'll always be very welcome with us ;)

Thank you--that's my plan. I just hate to see the end of my parish family--it's so wonderful. However, there are some absolutes in my faith on which there can be no compromise, and if/when TEC makes those compromises, I will leave.

290 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:42:20am

re: #285 MigueldowninMexico

That would fit. He tried making amends last year, but I felt that I had moved on too far. What's in the past should stay there. It's only useful as a history lesson.

291 opnion  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:42:38am

re: #285 MigueldowninMexico

Interesting!
My ex-friend is an alcoholic who hasn't drunk a drop for 24 years now. But he has that personality (clinging too much to feelings (usually hurt feelings) and not let things go!
He was hyper angry last Friday and today (Sunday) over his candidate being stolen the Presidency in July 2006. We had two big rows over the week-end.
It's interesting how you say "refusal to let things in the past go". I think it is part of the "alcoholic personality" (yes, there is one).
What do you think?

/Thanks for your words :)

Actually, I believe that you are right about the alcoholic personality.
The chemical dependency comes from somewhere in psyche.
It does become physiological,but starts in the psyche.
Don't beat yourself up.

292 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:43:26am

re: #279 goddessoftheclassroom

{MigueldowninMexico}

Hate the evil that has beguiled your friend and pray that he will see truth.

Sometimes, though, I have learned that people will choose to remain with evil because it suits them better than the sacrifices goodness demands.

I observed this guy on Friday and Sunday.
He loves hate! I was thinking that he loves to roll around in hate just as a pig loves to do the same with mud! lol
This guy's sick. He needs to hate.
What an ugly sight.
But not infrequently he talks about love!
BS.
;)

293 storagemanager  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:43:59am
VIENNA - At least 40 developing countries from the Persian Gulf region to Latin America have recently approached U.N. officials here to signal interest in starting nuclear power programs, a trend that concerned proliferation experts say could provide the building blocks of nuclear arsenals in some of those nations.

At least half a dozen countries have also said in the past four years that they are specifically planning to conduct enrichment or reprocessing of nuclear fuel, a prospect that could dramatically expand the global supply of plutonium and enriched uranium, according to U.S. and international nuclear officials and arms-control experts.

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

294 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:44:42am

re: #289 goddessoftheclassroom

Thank you--that's my plan. I just hate to see the end of my parish family--it's so wonderful. However, there are some absolutes in my faith on which there can be no compromise, and if/when TEC makes those compromises, I will leave.

I feel your pain Goddess.
{Goddess}

295 opnion  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:44:58am

re: #292 MigueldowninMexico

I observed this guy on Friday and Sunday.
He loves hate! I was thinking that he loves to roll around in hate just as a pig loves to do the same with mud! lol
This guy's sick. He needs to hate.
What an ugly sight.
But not infrequently he talks about love!
BS.
;)

See here is the thing, the far Left loves humanity.It's people that they can't stand.

296 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:45:42am

re: #295 opnion

See here is the thing, the far Left loves humanity.It's people that they can't stand.

In theory, not in practice...

As it should be (according to them), not as it is.

297 storagemanager  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:45:54am

hey...what up?

298 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:46:37am

I need to get in to sfhool a little early today, so take care, dear Lizards.

299 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:47:09am

Bye goddess, enjoy the day.

300 opnion  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:47:30am

re: #296 goddessoftheclassroom

In theory, not in practice...

As it should be (according to them), not as it is.

I can't help myself.It reminds me of the Obamas. They have a loyalty to the America that they plan to create, not the America that exists.

301 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:48:18am

re: #300 opnion

I can't help myself.It reminds me of the Obamas. They have a loyalty to the America that they plan to create, not the America that exists.

Absolutely.

302 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:49:04am

re: #290 BlueCanuck

That would fit. He tried making amends last year, but I felt that I had moved on too far. What's in the past should stay there. It's only useful as a history lesson.

I see Blue. It's like history is taking apart some kinds of people from others, right?
Perhaps we won't be able to oversee things we could before. Personal age has to do I guess, but there's more. I'm convinced something is going on in the world, dividing people in two camps, which I won't define, as it's very difficult but which we intuitively know.
It's ok, everyone has to walk their path without letting dead weight hinder them.
I'm ready to kick out of my life anyone who's a hindrance.

303 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:49:56am

re: #291 opnion

Actually, I believe that you are right about the alcoholic personality.
The chemical dependency comes from somewhere in psyche.
It does become physiological,but starts in the psyche.
Don't beat yourself up.

Ok and ok.
Thanks ! :)

304 storagemanager  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:50:13am
HILL-BILLIES FOR CLINTON!

LOL [Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

305 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:52:34am

re: #296 goddessoftheclassroom

In theory, not in practice...

As it should be (according to them), not as it is.

opnion is right here, I guess.
They have wonderful heroic felling in the abstract.
Once confronted with reality, it's a lot different.
Abstractions are easy to love ;)

306 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:53:06am

re: #298 goddessoftheclassroom

I need to get in to sfhool a little early today, so take care, dear Lizards.

Bye! :)
Have a great day.

307 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:53:27am

re: #297 storagemanager

hey...what up?

Howdy Mr. storage ;)

308 opnion  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:54:05am

re: #304 storagemanager

LOL [Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

I would encourage Hillary to take it to the convention.
I would also encourage her to fatally damage the Obama candidacy for the general election.

309 ec marm  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:54:15am

re: #304 storagemanager
See the link right beneath that one? I like this sentence:

"Obama supporters believe patriotism is being used as code to harness racist sentiment." [Link: www.ft.com...]


Patriotism = racism
George Orwell was right.

310 storagemanager  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:55:23am
Wanna help planet?
'Let's all just die!

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

311 opnion  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:56:02am

re: #309 ec marm

See the link right beneath that one? I like this sentence:

Patriotism = racism
George Orwell was right.

Liberals, just like those in my own family view patriotism as a type of disease.

312 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:56:09am

re: #310 storagemanager

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

/Jim Jones.

313 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:58:41am
314 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:00:02am

re: #302 MigueldowninMexico

Exactly. It boils down to are you with me or against me? It sounds harsh but if a "friend" is a negative influence, and unreformable, it's better to part ways.

/hard lesson learned.

315 Clemente  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:01:47am

re: #268 BlueCanuck

"Extra" fuel probably went where they wanted it. Not neccessarily into the generator.

You can bet the lights never flickered in the terrorist headquarters ("civilian residences") and rocket factories ("metal-working shops").

Why does Hamas depend on oil from Israel? Have they no allies producing excess amounts adequate to their needs?

"400,000 people" would not constitute "most of Gaza's ... residents". Presumably, over a million Gazastanians had no electrical irregularities whatsoever.

But from previous reporting, it sure seems every hospital, day-care, city hall, and orphanage in Gaza must be plunged into terrifying darkness whenever Israelis refuse subsidy to their murderous neighbors.

316 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:03:51am

re: #315 Clemente

Don't forget the "blackout" curtains in daylight for ominous photo ops.

317 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:08:11am

re: #314 BlueCanuck

Exactly. It boils down to are you with me or against me? It sounds harsh but if a "friend" is a negative influence, and unreformable, it's better to part ways.

/hard lesson learned.

Ditto here ;)

318 freetoken  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:10:02am

re: #292 MigueldowninMexico

Wow, Miguel, sorry to hear about your falling out with your friend...

FWIW, the turmoil in Mexico wrt. communists anguishing/troublemaking over the PEMEX issues is showing up very regularly up here in the news media.

Not just up here, but all over the world the media is picking up on it:
Hackers attack Mexican Congress website, opposing oil privatization

They told former Mexican presidential candidate Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador that it was an honor to be with him in his fight against the privatization of the nation's oil industry.
319 storagemanager  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:10:29am
Today Gravel is again prepared to injure the United States, this time by working to prevent America’s strongest Middle Eastern ally, Israel, from being able to defend itself against the onslaught of its jihadist, genocidal neighbors. Specifically, Gravel has denounced what he terms “the Washington establishment” for having “condemned and criticized Jimmy Carter for his latest attempt to make the world a safer place” by “meeting with Khaled Meshal, the leader of Hamas.” In Gravel’s view, Carter “should be praised” for his “brave gambit” which aims to “jump-start the peace process.” “When will we Americans learn that the only way to achieve true security is through diplomacy and negotiation?” says Gravel. “... [T]he only way to break the cycle of violence is a negotiated settlement.”

“Carter’s critics,” Gravel adds, “don’t know much about Israel’s real security situation -- nor do they really care about it. All they want to do is please AIPAC [American Israel Public Affairs Committee] and hawkish members of the American Jewish community who don’t have to live under the daily threat of terrorism.”

[Link: frontpagemag.com...]

320 storagemanager  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:13:45am

It's dead...throw it in a hole.

321 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:15:06am

re: #318 freetoken

Wow, Miguel, sorry to hear about your falling out with your friend...

FWIW, the turmoil in Mexico wrt. communists anguishing/troublemaking over the PEMEX issues is showing up very regularly up here in the news media.

Not just up here, but all over the world the media is picking up on it:
Hackers attack Mexican Congress website, opposing oil privatization

That's why my friend is so rabid.
Apparently they have instructions to step up "the fight" as much as possible.

322 Clemente  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:15:32am

re: #288 MigueldowninMexico

Havana is a cinch! With Raulito as VP!
lol

I have it from a highly reliable unnamed source, that Obama will carry at least 72% of the Canadian delegates going into the convention, along with 83% of the European and 78% of UK's...

323 chief long name  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:16:08am

re: #309 ec marm

Good morning EC. Had to work all weekend. Did you happen to stumble upon any thing?
/just waking up here...

324 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:16:32am

re: #322 Clemente

I have it from a highly reliable unnamed source, that Obama will carry at least 72% of the Canadian delegates going into the convention, along with 83% of the European and 78% of UK's...

And 100% of North Koreans ;)

325 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:19:18am

re: #322 Clemente

I have it from a highly reliable unnamed source, that Obama will carry at least 72% of the Canadian delegates going into the convention, along with 83% of the European and 78% of UK's...


Yeah, but all the Canadian votes will be from the Urban centers. The rural folk are still clinging to their guns and bibles. :)

326 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:21:29am

unfortunately, I have to go now.

It's nice to be around here, with the lizards lol
Good bye for today, may God bless all :)

327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:22:37am

Kind of like when the "masa" would offer barrells of pork scraps to waiting families of the slaves. They slaves were appreciative for the masa's generosity.

Generous "effer's" weren't they?

328 storagemanager  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:24:30am

BEIJING (AP) - Chinese state media says quake buries nearly 900 students in Sichuan province [Link: www.breitbart.com...]

329 opnion  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:24:33am

re: #325 BlueCanuck

Yeah, but all the Canadian votes will be from the Urban centers. The rural folk are still clinging to their guns and bibles. :)

I pity those who do not vote for Barry, if Michelle ever finds out

330 haakondahl  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:25:33am

re: #321 MigueldowninMexico

That's why my friend is so rabid.
Apparently they have instructions to step up "the fight" as much as possible.

If there is anything worth salvaging in your friendship, you can simply set an example by remaining friends, even if you do not talk for years at a time. Someday, you might be his lifeline back to sanity.
As Dennis Prager says, we need to separate the micro (friends and personal connections) from the macro (values and politics).
I have gay friends. I think homosexuality is evil. But I do not think that my friends are evil--just very, very wrong. To me it is in parallel with the popular Christian maxim of "Hate the sin, but love the sinner". I am not a Christian, but I do find much that is, um, praiseworthy in Christianity.
On the other hand, if things have progressed beyond a certain point, you may simply need to wash your hands of the mess.

331 storagemanager  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:27:58am

Jim it's dead..you look foolish talking to it!

332 MigueldowninMexico  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:29:42am

Thanks haakon, great comment :)

Ok, good bye now.
*poof!*

333 haakondahl  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:30:03am

re: #331 storagemanager

Jim it's dead..you look foolish talking to it!

Oh, beam it through your lateral array.

334 opnion  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:32:36am

Gotta go Lizards. Catch y'all later.
Miguel, hang in buddy.We have all been there for one reason or another.
Hey, ya got us!

335 storagemanager  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:33:33am
US President George W. Bush heads back to the Middle East this week, where his efforts to forge Israeli-Palestinian peace face growing skepticism with barely nine months left in his term.


The five-day trip is anchored on the 60th anniversary of Israel as a modern state, a stop in Saudi Arabia to mark 75 years of US relations with the kingdom, and talks in Egypt with a broad range of regional leaders.


The visit is Bush's second in four months -- after seven years in which he did not set foot in either Israel or the Palestinian territories -- and Bush aides see it as a blend of symbol and substance.


"It's going to be a mix," said US national security adviser Stephen Hadley.


The Emperor has no cloths. [Link: www.newsmax.com...]

336 Widow'smight  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:34:29am

re: #330 haakondahl

Someone once said "Go and take the Plank out of your own eye, then you will be able to take the speck out of your neighbor's".

We all sin and fall short of God. We need to be a servant like God is/has been to us and drop the Omnipresent part of him. Through servanthood to others we lead them, not through condemnation.

337 freetoken  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:37:01am

re: #328 storagemanager

Even within the last hour there has been a pretty good size aftershock:
[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]

338 seekeroftruth  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:42:35am

Good morning!
Found this in the New York Times of all places - quite an article about Obama's muslim background and the problems it will cause for him:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

339 storagemanager  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:44:11am
Manila - Libya will beef up its peacekeeping force in the southern Philippines amid fears that hostilities between the military and Muslim separatist rebels would escalate following the pull-out of Malaysian troops, an official said Monday. Jesus Dureza, presidential adviser on the peace process, said Libya has agreed to send 25 additional peacekeepers to the southern region of Mindanao to help monitor a 2001 ceasefire agreement between Manila and the separatist Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF).

[Link: www.earthtimes.org...]

340 galloping granny  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:45:07am

re: #338 seekeroftruth

Good morning!
Found this in the New York Times of all places - quite an article about Obama's muslim background and the problems it will cause for him:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

I just read that. Definitely a Flying Pig. I've been saying the same things here about his muslim heritage for months.

341 storagemanager  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:45:58am
Irena Sendler, a Polish woman who saved 2,500 Jewish children from the Warsaw Ghetto during the Nazi occupation in World War II, died Monday in Warsaw aged 98.

[Link: www.ejpress.org...]

342 storagemanager  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:47:21am

re: #338 seekeroftruth

Good morning!
Found this in the New York Times of all places - quite an article about Obama's muslim background and the problems it will cause for him:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

For starters, Wright is known for calling white Americans “blue-eyed devils.” However, for all his originality, he is not the creator of that curse. Wallace Fard, the founder of the Black Muslim Movement, actually coined it.

In 1930, Fard, an Islamic black man, began stirring up the black community in Detroit about civil rights, poverty, slavery and white supremacists. Joblessness and hunger during the Great Depression swept the slums of Detroit, and Fard soon had a hate-filled following. [Link: frontpagemag.com...]

343 BlueCanuck  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:48:28am

Well folks I am out of here. Have a good one.

344 Hengineer  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:49:30am

'ello there mates.

345 Hengineer  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:49:49am

re: #343 BlueCanuck

Well folks I am out of here. Have a good one.

ah later Mr. Blue Canuck

346 pingjockey  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:49:54am

Mornin' all. Hope all the lizard moms out there had a fine day.
I am not surprised the Majik Kingdom is throwing money at academia. Most of the residents in the Ivory Towers have an active dislike bordering on hate for Israel. Plus they can buff up the Kingdoms appallling record on human rights, or bury it.

347 seekeroftruth  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:52:27am

re: #342 storagemanager

That is a really good article - in fact I didn't see that you had posted it already and reposted it. Sorry about that!
I enjoy your links each morning !

348 Hengineer  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:52:30am

re: #346 pingjockey

Mornin' all. Hope all the lizard moms out there had a fine day.
I am not surprised the Majik Kingdom is throwing money at academia. Most of the residents in the Ivory Towers have an active dislike bordering on hate for Israel. Plus they can buff up the Kingdoms appallling record on human rights, or bury it.

We represent the anti-zionist league, the anti-zionist league, the anti-zionist league!

349 seekeroftruth  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:54:59am

re: #340 galloping granny

I just read that. Definitely a Flying Pig. I've been saying the same things here about his muslim heritage for months.

Had to look for those flying pigs as well! Interesting to see that article in the NTY - wonder if Obama's muslim background will finally get the attention it needs.

350 pingjockey  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:55:33am

I am watching PMSNBC, Ed Rendell is spining the beasts chances to win the nomination. The whole episode is a hoot. Obamarama with his crack about clinging white folks and the beast with her remark aout white blue collar workers in her pocket. For a party that is supposedly color blind, all the donks are concentrated on is race and gender. The dysfunction goes "own and own".

351 ec marm  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:56:30am

re: #323 chief long name

Good morning EC. Had to work all weekend. Did you happen to stumble upon any thing?
/just waking up here...


Any ideas for a picture to start with? IIRC, you were looking for "bugged out" eyes on Ohio State Buckeye log? Something like this?

352 storagemanager  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:56:47am

re: #347 seekeroftruth
thank you.

353 pingjockey  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:56:54am

re: #348 Hengineer
Hahaha! I see Munchkins in burnooses and turbans singing!

354 galloping granny  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:59:05am

re: #350 pingjockey

I am watching PMSNBC, Ed Rendell is spining the beasts chances to win the nomination. The whole episode is a hoot. Obamarama with his crack about clinging white folks and the beast with her remark aout white blue collar workers in her pocket. For a party that is supposedly color blind, all the donks are concentrated on is race and gender. The dysfunction goes "own and own".

The Democrats are specifically not the party that is color blind and they never have been. In fact, the Democrats are the party of apartheid and racism, the party of the KKK, the party that was pro-slavery before the civil war and the party that carried the South across the board for more than 100 years after the War Between the States.

Any attempt by them to appear as "color blind" is a complete whitewash of history - and pure hokum.

355 Ledger1  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:59:54am

re: #233 BlueCanuck

I don't think you need TNT to make it. The mixing of the ingredients will form the proper needs. I have seen it used as a prank. But that's just along the lines a wee dab will do ya.

I had to compact the freeper’s post. Two liquid explosive theories were:

1. Nitrogen tri-iodide
2. TNT + Nitromethane + Pyridine

Most of the posters agreed on the Nitrogen Tri-iodide theory. The liquid TNT mixture would be very hard to get.

Lastly, someone suggested that the “gang of girls” could have simply switched off the natural gas line at the meter for a short time then turned it on causing the stove and water heater to leak natural gas – which lead to the explosion. I don’t know. But, the pictures indicate houses were blown apart fairly well.

356 storagemanager  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:02:32am
TEHRAN, May 11 (MNA) -- Mohsen Hakim, the political advisor to the leader of the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council, has thanked Iran for the “sensitive and vital role” it played in brokering the accord between Moqtada al-Sadr’s Mahdi Army and the Iraqi government.

Twilight Zone in Arabic. [Link: www.mehrnews.com...]

357 pingjockey  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:03:17am

re: #354 galloping granny
Correct Granny. My busted syntax. Didn't LBJ have to bust arms to get the dems to pass civil rights legislation? Let's not forget Robert "Sheets" Byrd. Only a donk that was a former KKKer could get elected. Any repub would have been disowned.

358 galloping granny  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:06:22am

re: #357 pingjockey

Correct Granny. My busted syntax. Didn't LBJ have to bust arms to get the dems to pass civil rights legislation? Let's not forget Robert "Sheets" Byrd. Only a donk that was a former KKKer could get elected. Any repub would have been disowned.

LBJ had to go to quite some lengths, yes. And Senator Byrd simply would never have been elected in the South had he not been a Democrat. Period. End of discussion. I am not at all sure that a single Republican was sent to Washington from anywhere in the South for a hundred years or more.

359 LittleRed1  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:06:33am

Good morning from the sunny, windy but still intact (thank G-d) midwest.

360 galloping granny  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:07:50am

Morning. More twisters?

/speaking of bad weather, I see things are none to rosy in Beijing, where they have had a heck of an earthquake in Sichuan Province.

361 storagemanager  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:08:38am
KOCHI, India (AP) - On the last night of his life, the farmer walked into his dusty fields, choked down pesticide and waited to die.
He owed more than $1,000 to banks and moneylenders and he had told his wife that if the cotton harvest was bad this year, he would kill himself.

Pandurang Chindu Surpam left the near-barren fields he worked with his sons to share a last meal with his family. Hours later, he died. He was 45.

Crushed by debts most Westerners would deem inconsequential, farmers like Surpam killed themselves at a rate of 48 a day between 2002 and 2006—more than 17,500 a year, according to experts who have analyzed government statistics. At least 160,000 farmers have committed suicide since 1997, said K. Nagaraj of the Madras Institute of Development Studies.

The epidemic dates to the 1990s, and is generally attributed to a toxic blend of slashed subsidies, tougher global competition, drought, predatory moneylenders and expensive genetically modified seeds.

“It’s one of the largest public health disasters to hit India since independence,” said professor Charles Nuckols of Brigham Young University, an anthropologist who has studied Indian village life for decades.

[Link: patdollard.com...]

362 pingjockey  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:08:48am

re: #358 galloping granny
I was a kid during the 60s. So what I got about LBJ was from the History Channel. Some of the LBJ tapes. You are probably right about the south and repubs.

363 LittleRed1  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:10:13am

We dodged the bullet again this weekend. Could see the nasty stuff forming to the south of us, but all we got was rain, wind and hail.
Yeah, apparently the quake hit a highly populated area, and they are calling for heavy rain there today.

364 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:11:22am

In Islam, however, there is no such thing as a half-Muslim. Like all monotheistic religions, Islam is an exclusive faith.

Nice try at moral equivalence but, neither Judaism nor Christianity requires the murder of a convert.

That an Obama presidency would cause such complications in our dealings with the Islamic world is not likely to be a major factor with American voters, and the implication is not that it should be.

Oh, but it should.

365 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:11:47am
366 LittleRed1  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:11:48am

Some Republicans got state offices in the South, but no federal, aside from the Post Office, from what I've read and seen.

367 galloping granny  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:13:17am

re: #362 pingjockey

I was a kid during the 60s. So what I got about LBJ was from the History Channel. Some of the LBJ tapes. You are probably right about the south and repubs.

No question but what I'm right. Not only do I remember, my mother's family is from the south and I spent half my growing up years in the south, where at least at that time they had a slightly different take on American History than they do in the North. We heard much more about the Swamp Fox and much less about Paul Revere, more about Yorktown and less about Boston.

368 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:13:27am

re: #363 LittleRed1

One nightmare: to be in Dyer County, TN, during both an earthquake from the New Madrid Fault and an F-4 tornado at the same time.

369 LittleRed1  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:15:05am

Galloping Granny - I grew up with the War Between the States, and the War of the Northern Aggression. Some of my mother's people still have not forgiven me for being the first child since "the late unpleasantness" born north of the Mason-Dixon Line :)

370 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:15:13am

Oops. Gotsta' go.

371 LittleRed1  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:16:25am

Mandy - agreed! That said, I'll take tornadoes over earthquakes. I prefer the devil I can see to the one that sneaks up from below. (Why, in part, I turned down a job in CA).

372 galloping granny  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:16:43am

re: #366 LittleRed1

Some Republicans got state offices in the South, but no federal, aside from the Post Office, from what I've read and seen.

The Post Office is not an elected position. Postmasters are appointees, so the position has often been used as a "reward." At least in the past.

373 pingjockey  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:16:43am

re: #364 MandyManners
Morning Mandy. I think the 2nd graph is a telling one. It will be a telling point with voters. If obamarama seems comfy with the enablers of jihadis it will have an effect on the election. The donks may still end up with a brokered convention. The beast and obamarama just can't keep their feet out of their mouths!

374 haakondahl  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:16:57am

re: #368 MandyManners

One nightmare: to be in Dyer County, TN, during both an earthquake from the New Madrid Fault and an F-4 tornado at the same time.

Bush's fault.

375 pingjockey  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:18:23am

re: #367 galloping granny
Hey, my moms family is from Arkansas. They moved out here to Wash. state just before WWII. FDR was God to those people.

376 galloping granny  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:18:23am

re: #369 LittleRed1

Galloping Granny - I grew up with the War Between the States, and the War of the Northern Aggression. Some of my mother's people still have not forgiven me for being the first child since "the late unpleasantness" born north of the Mason-Dixon Line :)

I was born south of the Mason-Dixon, but have been called a damnyankee more than once. One of my aunts never did forgive my mother for marrying a Yankee.

377 BabbaZee  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:18:27am

PRESIDENT APOSTATE

in the NYT!



BARACK OBAMA has emerged as a classic example of charismatic leadership — a figure upon whom others project their own hopes and desires. The resulting emotional intensity adds greatly to the more conventional strengths of the well-organized Obama campaign, and it has certainly sufficed to overcome the formidable initial advantages of Senator Hillary Clinton.

One danger of such charisma, however, is that it can evoke unrealistic hopes of what a candidate could actually accomplish in office regardless of his own personal abilities. Case in point is the oft-made claim that an Obama presidency would be welcomed by the Muslim world.

This idea often goes hand in hand with the altogether more plausible argument that Mr. Obama’s election would raise America’s esteem in Africa — indeed, he already arouses much enthusiasm in his father’s native Kenya and to a degree elsewhere on the continent.

But it is a mistake to conflate his African identity with his Muslim heritage. Senator Obama is half African by birth and Africans can understandably identify with him. In Islam, however, there is no such thing as a half-Muslim. Like all monotheistic religions, Islam is an exclusive faith.

As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood. It makes no difference that, as Senator Obama has written, his father said he renounced his religion. Likewise, under Muslim law based on the Koran his mother’s Christian background is irrelevant.

Of course, as most Americans understand it, Senator Obama is not a Muslim. He chose to become a Christian, and indeed has written convincingly to explain how he arrived at his choice and how important his Christian faith is to him.

His conversion, however, was a crime in Muslim eyes; it is “irtidad” or “ridda,” usually translated from the Arabic as “apostasy,” but with connotations of rebellion and treason. Indeed, it is the worst of all crimes that a Muslim can commit, worse than murder (which the victim’s family may choose to forgive).

With few exceptions, the jurists of all Sunni and Shiite schools prescribe execution for all adults who leave the faith not under duress; the recommended punishment is beheading at the hands of a cleric, although in recent years there have been both stonings and hangings. (Some may point to cases in which lesser punishments were ordered — as with some Egyptian intellectuals who have been punished for writings that were construed as apostasy — but those were really instances of supposed heresy, not explicitly declared apostasy as in Senator Obama’s case.)

SNIP

378 seekeroftruth  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:19:38am

re: #377 BabbaZee

Isn't that amazing to see that article in the NYT?

379 galloping granny  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:19:57am

re: #377 BabbaZee

Morning Babba! Flying Pigs, huh? How're you today?

380 BabbaZee  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:20:07am

Obama: Friends ~ Gramsci & Faust

SNIP


t's not working out that way. His former pastor the Rev. Jeremiah Wright is an unreconstructed '60s radical, a fire-breathing disciple of James Cone's period-piece black liberation theology. Mr. Obama wrote in his 1995 autobiography, Dreams From My Father, about his attraction to the leftist pastor's church as a vehicle for social change. If black nationalism would uplift the race, he wrote, "then the hurt it might cause well-meaning whites, or the inner turmoil it caused people like me, would be of little consequence."

That's a remarkable admission of a racialized "ends justify the means" morality. It helps explain why Mr. Obama was willing to stick with a crackpot like Dr. Wright. It also might explain why an up-and-coming Barack Obama found nothing particularly wrong with rubbing political elbows with Bill Ayers, the Chicago university professor and onetime fugitive member of the revolutionary, communist Weather Underground.

Mr. Ayers, an unrepentant '60s domestic terrorist, is an academician in good standing and an active member of Chicago's progressive community. It is unremarkable that a rising star in Chicago Democratic politics would collaborate with Mr. Ayers, which tells us something about the soixante-huitard generation.

They may have failed at revolution, but they succeeded in changing the culture. (A famous soixante-huitard slogan: "Live without limits, and enjoy without restraint.") They did so in large part by, to use the Marxist Antonio Gramsci's phrase, "marching through the institutions." Pulpits. Professorships. Publishing and media. And in some cases, politics.

SNIP

381 LittleRed1  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:20:22am

Light in the NYT pressroom? Wonders never cease.

382 BabbaZee  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:20:22am

re: #378 seekeroftruth

It IS!

383 storagemanager  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:20:29am
BEIJING, May 12 (AP) - (Kyodo)—At least 107 people are now thought to have died in a powerful earthquake in western China on Monday, state media reported, but the number of killed is likely to rise much higher with reports of hundreds of schoolchildren buried after one school that collapsed during the tremors.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

384 LittleRed1  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:21:17am

And, alas, duty calls. Exams to procter. Y'all have a wonderful day!

385 BabbaZee  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:21:25am

re: #379 galloping granny

Hiya Granny.
Overall I feel feh
but...

Maybe I'm amazed, at the same time LOL

386 BabbaZee  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:22:06am

re: #365 taxfreekiller

{TFK}

387 Iron Fist  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:22:57am

Not anything surprising to the LGF crowd, but interesting because it is in the New York Times: President Apostate?


But it is a mistake to conflate his African identity with his Muslim heritage. Senator Obama is half African by birth and Africans can understandably identify with him. In Islam, however, there is no such thing as a half-Muslim. Like all monotheistic religions, Islam is an exclusive faith.

As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood. It makes no difference that, as Senator Obama has written, his father said he renounced his religion. Likewise, under Muslim law based on the Koran his mother’s Christian background is irrelevant.

...

Because no government is likely to allow the prosecution of a President Obama — not even those of Iran and Saudi Arabia, the only two countries where Islamic religious courts dominate over secular law — another provision of Muslim law is perhaps more relevant: it prohibits punishment for any Muslim who kills any apostate, and effectively prohibits interference with such a killing.

At the very least, that would complicate the security planning of state visits by President Obama to Muslim countries, because the very act of protecting him would be sinful for Islamic security guards. More broadly, most citizens of the Islamic world would be horrified by the fact of Senator Obama’s conversion to Christianity once it became widely known — as it would, no doubt, should he win the White House. This would compromise the ability of governments in Muslim nations to cooperate with the United States in the fight against terrorism, as well as American efforts to export democracy and human rights abroad.

That an Obama presidency would cause such complications in our dealings with the Islamic world is not likely to be a major factor with American voters, and the implication is not that it should be. But of all the well-meaning desires projected on Senator Obama, the hope that he would decisively improve relations with the world’s Muslims is the least realistic.


The part prohibiting the punishment of any Mohammedan who kills an apostate was new to me. It really comes as no surprise, though. Adherants to the Death Cult murder freely, and consider murder-suicide to be their highest sacrement.

388 BabbaZee  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:24:10am

Mr. Obama wrote in his 1995 autobiography, Dreams From My Father, about his attraction to the leftist pastor's church as a vehicle for social change. If black nationalism would uplift the race, he wrote,



"then the hurt it might cause well-meaning whites, or the inner turmoil it caused people like me, would be of little consequence."

Prolier than thou!
Hopium of the asses!

389 ec marm  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:24:29am

re: #377 BabbaZee
Well it's only a NYT Op-Ed piece, but still should get a few readers to say, "WTF, I never knew that!"

390 BabbaZee  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:24:43am

re: #387 Iron Fist

GMTA

391 pingjockey  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:25:11am

re: #385 BabbaZee
I am amazed at times by the gullibility of my fellow Americans to fall for the BS spewed by the left, and at times the repubs.
Joe Lieberman is going to have his liberal bona fides taken away for supporting McCain. McCain is going to give a speech on Gorebull warming at moonbat central today. Oregon.

392 BabbaZee  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:25:15am

re: #389 ec marm

Well it's only a NYT Op-Ed piece, but still should get a few readers to say, "WTF, I never knew that!"

I hope so!

What's the latest bullshit story around here, any Whinese being spoken?

lol

393 BabbaZee  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:25:31am

re: #391 pingjockey

I am amazed at times by the gullibility of my fellow Americans to fall for the BS spewed by the left, and at times the repubs.
Joe Lieberman is going to have his liberal bona fides taken away for supporting McCain. McCain is going to give a speech on Gorebull warming at moonbat central today. Oregon.

Jesus save us.

394 storagemanager  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:25:46am

Say what?

395 BabbaZee  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:26:24am

re: #394 storagemanager

Say what?

Jesus save us!

396 ec marm  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:27:12am

re: #392 BabbaZee

I hope so!

What's the latest bullshit story around here, any Whinese being spoken?

lol


You missed the fun yesterday. You-know-who went off her meds again and began attacking Buzzsawmonkey in the Sunday Open Thread. And me again, but that's a given.

397 pingjockey  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:27:19am

re: #393 BabbaZee
From what I remember from Sunday school, he did. We just have to put up with idiots and assholes and other trials for a while.

398 pingjockey  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:28:20am

re: #396 ec marm
Mornin' EC. I missed all the fun(///) again!

399 storagemanager  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:28:49am

re: #396 ec marm

You missed the fun yesterday. You-know-who went off her meds again and began attacking Buzzsawmonkey in the Sunday Open Thread. And me again, but that's a given.


who?

400 haakondahl  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:29:04am

re: #388 BabbaZee

Mr. Obama wrote in his 1995 autobiography, Dreams From My Father, about his attraction to the leftist pastor's church as a vehicle for social change. If black nationalism would uplift the race, he wrote,



"then the hurt it might cause well-meaning whites, or the inner turmoil it caused people like me, would be of little consequence."

Prolier than thou!
Hopium of the asses!

Straight-up Fascism. By any means necessary.

401 Spirit93  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:29:35am

Mornin all!

Does anyone have any familiarity with or an opinion on intrade? McCain is currently at $3.8 (pays $10), I'm thinking of opening an account.

402 BabbaZee  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:29:36am

re: #396 ec marm

You missed the fun yesterday. You-know-who went off her meds again and began attacking Buzzsawmonkey in the Sunday Open Thread. And me again, but that's a given.

BUZZ?

What can there possibly be to attack him for?
Only the most vile of creatures find a way to attack Buzz in my observations here.

403 BabbaZee  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:30:48am

re: #400 haakondahl


exactly right

404 ec marm  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:31:17am

re: #399 storagemanager

who?


You remember her. She attacked you one day and I defended you, earning her everlasting scorn.

405 BabbaZee  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:31:26am

re: #397 pingjockey

From what I remember from Sunday school, he did. We just have to put up with idiots and assholes and other trials for a while.

ahahahhaaa

406 storagemanager  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:31:28am

BREAKING NEWS: China state TV says at least five schools have collapsed in powerful earthquake [Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

407 BabbaZee  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:32:10am

re: #406 storagemanager

holy crap

408 galloping granny  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:32:38am

re: #396 ec marm

You missed the fun yesterday. You-know-who went off her meds again and began attacking Buzzsawmonkey in the Sunday Open Thread. And me again, but that's a given.

Dang it! Who is "you know who"? Can I get a clue around here?

409 haakondahl  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:33:32am

re: #396 ec marm

You missed the fun yesterday. You-know-who went off her meds again and began attacking Buzzsawmonkey in the Sunday Open Thread. And me again, but that's a given.

Yup. LittleOldLady. Fruitcup Fascist.

410 ec marm  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:33:35am

re: #402 BabbaZee

BUZZ?

What can there possibly be to attack him for?
Only the most vile of creatures find a way to attack Buzz in my observations here.


She put words in his mouth. Words that he never typed. Also attacked his faith.

411 pingjockey  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:34:40am

Fox says earthquake in China was a 7.8. That is huge.

412 ec marm  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:35:14am

re: #408 galloping granny

Dang it! Who is "you know who"? Can I get a clue around here?


Follow the down dings in this thread. The tag team of M P H and off her meds.

413 chief long name  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:36:48am

re: #351 ec marm

That works great.
Thank you again.

414 The Albatross  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:36:54am

Just a fly by... what? No open thread? Have a great week lizards (and good morning Babba Zee)... catch ya on the flip side.

415 sparrowlake  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:37:09am

re: #377 BabbaZee

At first glance the apostate death sentence is a powerful argument in favour of electing Obama POTUS because he will have a personal stake in defeating Islamism in order to save his own neck.
However this assumes he will not instead take the low road of appeasement by selling out his country, renouncing his Christian faith and reassuming his original Islamic faith.

416 BabbaZee  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:37:10am

re: #410 ec marm

She put words in his mouth. Words that he never typed. Also attacked his faith.

That'll may gain her street cred here these days ....

what thread?

417 galloping granny  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:38:25am

re: #412 ec marm

Follow the down dings in this thread. The tag team of M P H and off her meds.

Off her meds seems to be pretty new. Somebody's sock?

418 BabbaZee  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:38:42am

re: #415 sparrowlake

At first glance the apostate death sentence is a powerful argument in favour of electing Obama POTUS because he will have a personal stake in defeating Islamism in order to save his own neck.
However this assumes he will not instead take the low road of appeasement by selling out his country, renouncing his Christian faith and reassuming his original Islamic faith.

I don't think making him president for that or any reason is sound thinking ... I just was amazed that these ideas were even printed in NYT

419 pingjockey  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:39:03am

re: #416 BabbaZee
Sunday Open. I'd forgot, did put my 2 cents in on that kerfluffle.

420 BabbaZee  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:39:08am

re: #417 galloping granny

No she is she

421 BabbaZee  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:39:17am

re: #419 pingjockey

got it thanks

422 pingjockey  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:39:41am

re: #421 BabbaZee
You be welcome and stuff!

423 BabbaZee  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:39:47am

re: #414 The Albatross

Have a good one!

424 yochanan  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:40:49am

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

IS THIS THE PERFECT CONSERVATIVE SOME SEEM TO WANT?

425 pingjockey  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:41:15am

Later folks. Time to make the lunches for my tribe! Have a good day. Don't forget to pack your clue bats!

426 galloping granny  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:41:36am

re: #415 sparrowlake

At first glance the apostate death sentence is a powerful argument in favour of electing Obama POTUS because he will have a personal stake in defeating Islamism in order to save his own neck.
However this assumes he will not instead take the low road of appeasement by selling out his country, renouncing his Christian faith and reassuming his original Islamic faith.

That involves two very big assumptions -

First, that his "Christian" faith is in fact Christian rather than something else

and

Second, that he ever in fact renounced his original Islamic faith.

I would contend, given the reverend Wright's preaching & ideology taken together with some of the actions of Barack Hussein Obama's long time church, such as the award to Farrakhan, that Barack Hussein Obama is every bit as muslim as he ever was and his "christianity" bears no resemblance to the authentic article.

427 BabbaZee  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:42:02am

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

[Link: news.sky.com...]

the earthquake was felt as far as Bangkok and Hanoi.

428 pingjockey  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:42:53am

re: #424 yochanan
I don't think Ron Paul! has the troops to pull any silliness off.

429 ec marm  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:44:04am

re: #416 BabbaZee

That'll may gain her street cred here these days ....


That's for sure. Has a rabid atheist spouting venom at people of faith ever gotten the stick? Seems pretty safe ground.

430 realwest  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:45:12am

Good morning y'all - from a coolish (53 degrees going up to 71 degrees) windy, but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing today?

431 BabbaZee  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:45:48am

A Schism over Shari'a in the Church of England

The debate over the trajectory of the Western sociopolitical system and its strained relations with Islam is the most pivotal of our time, as approaches decided upon today will impact billions not yet born. Two prelates in the ever more fractious Church of England provide a microcosm of this discourse.

Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams and Bishop of Rochester Michael Nazir-Ali have emerged as central combatants in the dispute between two fundamentally opposed models of social organization: multiculturalism and universalism. The former bestows equal standing upon different cultures in the public square. The latter bestows equal standing upon individuals who wield a common set of rights and responsibilities. Which system prevails will ultimately determine the level of danger that homegrown Islamists pose to Britain, Europe, and the broader West.

Nazir-Ali believes that Britain's campaign to reconstitute itself as a multicultural society has failed, and he explained why in a January 6 op-ed . By emphasizing differences over common values, his country has promoted alienation among Muslims, many of whom are "living as separate communities, continuing to communicate in their own languages, and having minimum need for building healthy relationships with the majority." Since segregation breeds extremism, Islamist-dominated "no-go areas" now dot the map.


SNIP

432 BabbaZee  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:46:11am

re: #429 ec marm

That's for sure. Has a rabid atheist spouting venom at people of faith ever gotten the stick? Seems pretty safe ground.

I have to go read her comments
Did anyone report them?

433 realwest  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:47:16am

YO BABBA!

434 ec marm  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:47:21am

re: #427 BabbaZee

the earthquake was felt as far as Bangkok and Hanoi.


Any word on that huge frickin' dam they built? That suckers an accident waiting to happen. If/when that goes it's gonna take out a couple of million people.

435 seekeroftruth  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:47:33am

re: #426 galloping granny

I'm thinking along those lines as well Granny. When I saw the NOI bodyguards guarding Rev. Wright at his press club speech - bells went off. NOI does not bodyguard Christians.......... I think we're being lied to in a very big way about Obama.

436 storagemanager  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:48:06am

Sorry I went to that thread.

437 haakondahl  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:48:58am

re: #429 ec marm

That's for sure. Has a rabid atheist spouting venom at people of faith ever gotten the stick? Seems pretty safe ground.

The same thread the LanceKates was banned on, Charles banned FunkMaster (or something like that), a rabid atheist spouting venom at people of faith.

Safe like a fox!

438 haakondahl  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:49:15am

re: #436 storagemanager

Sorry I went to that thread.

Ditto.

439 realwest  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:49:39am

re: #429 ec marm

Good Morning ec! Who is this she (the other one, I mean)? I really don't have the time to go searching a thread for a pattern of ding-downs this morning - have to leave in about half an hour to take Mom in for some testing again.

440 BabbaZee  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:49:46am
441 haakondahl  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:50:54am