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NY Times Admits Obama's Muslim Birth

Mon, May 12, 2008 at 7:50:42 am PDT

After relentlessly labeling anyone who brings up the issue of Barack Obama’s Muslim origins as a bigot, a racist, or a lunatic, suddenly this morning the New York Times publishes an op-ed that actually admits Obama was born a Muslim—and that it might cause serious problems in an Obama presidency: President Apostate?

I raised this issue back on February 11, just for the record.

Of course, as most Americans understand it, Senator Obama is not a Muslim. He chose to become a Christian, and indeed has written convincingly to explain how he arrived at his choice and how important his Christian faith is to him.

His conversion, however, was a crime in Muslim eyes; it is “irtidad” or “ridda,” usually translated from the Arabic as “apostasy,” but with connotations of rebellion and treason. Indeed, it is the worst of all crimes that a Muslim can commit, worse than murder (which the victim’s family may choose to forgive).

With few exceptions, the jurists of all Sunni and Shiite schools prescribe execution for all adults who leave the faith not under duress; the recommended punishment is beheading at the hands of a cleric, although in recent years there have been both stonings and hangings. (Some may point to cases in which lesser punishments were ordered — as with some Egyptian intellectuals who have been punished for writings that were construed as apostasy — but those were really instances of supposed heresy, not explicitly declared apostasy as in Senator Obama’s case.)

It is true that the criminal codes in most Muslim countries do not mandate execution for apostasy (although a law doing exactly that is pending before Iran’s Parliament and in two Malaysian states). But as a practical matter, in very few Islamic countries do the governments have sufficient authority to resist demands for the punishment of apostates at the hands of religious authorities. ...

Because no government is likely to allow the prosecution of a President Obama — not even those of Iran and Saudi Arabia, the only two countries where Islamic religious courts dominate over secular law — another provision of Muslim law is perhaps more relevant: it prohibits punishment for any Muslim who kills any apostate, and effectively prohibits interference with such a killing.

At the very least, that would complicate the security planning of state visits by President Obama to Muslim countries, because the very act of protecting him would be sinful for Islamic security guards. More broadly, most citizens of the Islamic world would be horrified by the fact of Senator Obama’s conversion to Christianity once it became widely known — as it would, no doubt, should he win the White House. This would compromise the ability of governments in Muslim nations to cooperate with the United States in the fight against terrorism, as well as American efforts to export democracy and human rights abroad.

I predict that even if the Islamic world does see Obama as an apostate, if he’s elected president it will not be an issue.

Islamic prohibitions against apostasy are remarkably flexible when it comes to powerful people, and the sense of power Obama’s election would give the Islamic world would vastly outweigh the apostasy factor.

Forecast: no seething at all.

UPDATE at 5/12/08 7:59:56 am:

The Obama campaign, by the way, blatantly lied about Obama’s Muslim origins in a statement on January 23, 2007: Debunked Insight Magazine and Fox News Smear Campaign.

All of the claims about Senator Obama’s faith and education raised in the Insight Magazine story and repeated on Fox News are false. Senator Obama was raised in a secular household in Indonesia by his stepfather and mother. Obama’s stepfather worked for a U.S. oil company, and sent his stepson to two years of Catholic school, as well as two years of public school. As Obama described it, “Without the money to go to the international school that most expatriate children attended, I went to local Indonesian schools and ran the streets with the children of farmers, servants, tailors, and clerks.” [The Audacity of Hope, p. 274]

To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago.

Also see:
Barack Obama’s Muslim Childhood - article by Daniel Pipes

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1 galloping granny  Mon, May 12, 2008 7:51:46am

Where is the Flying Pig Charles?

2 DesertSage  Mon, May 12, 2008 7:52:09am

So, which one of the 57 states was he born in?

3 seekeroftruth  Mon, May 12, 2008 7:52:53am

Thanks for posting this Charles!
Quite a surprise to see this in the NYT!
How is the Obama campaign going to lie about him not being a muslim now?!

4 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 7:53:23am

It's bad enough that the Secret Service has to protect the POTUS from ordinary nut-jobs. If BHO is elected, they'll have to protect him from splodey-dopes who don't give a shit if they get taken out by the Secret Service.

5 MARedneck  Mon, May 12, 2008 7:54:27am

This is the NYT's attempt to portray him as a courageous defender of secularism.

6 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 12, 2008 7:54:46am

I agree, this is a flying pig moment. I'm stunned the NYT would print this opinion piece.

7 EC Marm  Mon, May 12, 2008 7:54:57am

Hard to believe that the NYT would print such a letter, but good for 'em.

8 galloping granny  Mon, May 12, 2008 7:55:12am

re: #4 MandyManners

It's bad enough that the Secret Service has to protect the POTUS from ordinary nut-jobs. If BHO is elected, they'll have to protect him from splodey-dopes who don't give a shit if they get taken out by the Secret Service.

And what exactly do we do about any Secret Service personnel that might just happen to be muslim themselves? Or the muslim FBI agents? That fatwah to kill him for apostasy applies to them too.

9 Peacekeeper  Mon, May 12, 2008 7:55:40am

re: #2 DesertSage

So, which one of the 57 states was he born in?

THAT'S 59 STATES!

10 galloping granny  Mon, May 12, 2008 7:55:41am

re: #5 MARedneck

This is the NYT's attempt to portray him as a courageous defender of secularism.

Failed miserably.

11 kingronjo  Mon, May 12, 2008 7:56:05am

gee whiz, I thought he was a uniter, not a divider.

And it looks like the thing most likely to be divided is his head from his body.

12 lawhawk  Mon, May 12, 2008 7:56:07am

Forget the flying pig, but note that this may resuscitate the Clinton campaign - pointing out the very obvious problem in running a presidential candidate whose religious background and change in religious observance puts him squarely in the crosshairs for assassinations and terrorism based on his apostasy.

13 bosforus  Mon, May 12, 2008 7:56:15am

But of course, if anyone tries to use this against Obama they'll likewise be called a bigot, a racist, or a lunatic.

14 Peacekeeper  Mon, May 12, 2008 7:56:19am

re: #6 Occasional Reader

I agree, this is a flying pig moment. I'm stunned the NYT would print this opinion piece.

Oooh listen to Mr. Sober Reflection....


;)

15 The Other Les  Mon, May 12, 2008 7:56:44am

re: #9 Peacekeeper

THAT'S 59 STATES!

61 anyone?

16 Gordon Marock  Mon, May 12, 2008 7:57:18am

This would . . . "complicate the security planning of state visits by President Obama to Muslim countries . . ." WTF? Exactly how would this change Secret Service planning visits to Muslim countries?

Current planning: "There are a shit load of people in country X who want to kill the President."

Planning with Obama: "There are a HUGE shit load of people in country X who want to kill the President."

17 Peacekeeper  Mon, May 12, 2008 7:57:30am

re: #12 lawhawk

Forget the forget thing. The Al Queda types probably figure he's a secret muslim and that they are about to seize the White House.

18 The Other Les  Mon, May 12, 2008 7:57:43am

re: #12 lawhawk

Forget the flying pig, but note that this may resuscitate the Clinton campaign - pointing out the very obvious problem in running a presidential candidate whose religious background and change in religious observance puts him squarely in the crosshairs for assassinations and terrorism based on his apostasy.

This could be the setup for the kneecap shot.

19 bosforus  Mon, May 12, 2008 7:57:50am

re: #12 lawhawk

I'd guess they would likely look over his apostasy in favor of his weak foreign policy. Extremists, however, might not be so forgiving.

20 Ben Hur  Mon, May 12, 2008 7:58:00am

He ate half the sausage with the waffle.

21 Peacekeeper  Mon, May 12, 2008 7:58:17am

re: #15 The Other Les

Inflation is out of control. Those extra states all border Chicago.

22 DistantThunder  Mon, May 12, 2008 7:58:37am

The muslim leaders will concoct come fatwa that determines him to still be Muslim, and suggest he's only using taqqyuia to help advance the cause of Islam worldwide - and Obama will advance the causes of islam here and worldwide.

23 The Other Les  Mon, May 12, 2008 7:59:02am

re: #21 Peacekeeper

Inflation is out of control. Those extra states all border Chicago.

Every cemetery.

24 lawhawk  Mon, May 12, 2008 7:59:10am

Watch for the Obamaniacs to issue fatwas against Luttwak in 3...2..1... for even questioning Obama's religious affiliations. They'll be attacking Luttwak for being a Rovian plant, a Hillary Shill, and everything else under the sun, rather than recognizing the seriousness of the issue.

Of course, the Obamaniacs have no problem ignoring Obama's ties to terrorists, criminal elements, anti-American leftists/Marxists/socialists, and racists/anti-Semities, so they'll likely gloss this over as past history and that we need to move on for hope and change. Just you watch.

25 mikeinmd  Mon, May 12, 2008 7:59:30am

Shit, all this time I thought Hussein was an Irish name.

Jesus wept.

26 rawmuse  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:00:10am

The Secret service should brush up on how to handle Fatwas.

27 Ben Hur  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:00:15am

re: #16 Gordon Marock

This would . . . "complicate the security planning of state visits by President Obama to Muslim countries . . ." WTF? Exactly how would this change Secret Service planning visits to Muslim countries?

Current planning: "There are a shit load of people in country X who want to kill the President."

Planning with Obama: "There are a HUGE shit load of people in country X who want to kill the President."

Tis merely a teeny weeny weeny teeny minority.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.that could take over in a day.

28 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:00:26am

re: #14 Peacekeeper

Oooh listen to Mr. Sober Reflection....


;)

Who said I'm sober? It's a damn lie!

29 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:00:32am

re: #8 galloping granny

And what exactly do we do about any Secret Service personnel that might just happen to be muslim themselves? Or the muslim FBI agents? That fatwah to kill him for apostasy applies to them too.

Oh, dear. I'd forgotten about those.

30 Maine's Michael  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:01:09am
This would compromise the ability of governments in Muslim nations to cooperate with the United States in the fight against terrorism, as well as American efforts to export democracy and human rights abroad.

I can just hear Obama now:

'The notion that I, having had a Muslim father, would be less effective in conversing with the Muslim world, is, on it's face, ridiculous. MCain has lost his bearings. He wants us in Iraq for 100 years. We will tax the corporations and rich Americas, out of fiarness. I will talk unconditionally with Ahmadinejad, except for a few conditions, of course. Pass the waffles.'

Has anyone else noticed that his favorite word is 'notion' (after 'change', of course)?

31 debutaunt  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:01:12am

Hillary, you magnificent bitch!

32 MrSilverDragon  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:01:17am

re: #18 The Other Les

This could be the setup for the kneecap shot.

Jeff Gillooly could not be found for comment.

33 wrenchwench  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:01:21am

I want Obama to lose, but I sure as hell don't want him to lose because some people fear Muslim violence.

34 ElKafir  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:01:22am

Translation from NY Slimes moonbatish into plain English:
"More proof Obama is not a muslim, and you idiots should be worried he may be harmed by bad people"

I stand by my oppinion: Obama IS a muslim. He's really good at tayyqia, I must give him that.

35 Daisy  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:02:20am

NY Times? Almost wow -- nonetheless, predictable -- the Lefties are afraid, after all, when their fantasies do come true.

I don't see Obama's move from Muslim to Afro-Centric Black Liberation Theology (shared by Nation of Islam devotees) as a 'conversion to Christianity'. It has nothing to do with Christianity as far as I can make out. However, I can't see Islamists splitting hairs over such 'nuances'. Any way one looks at it - Obama is a liability.

36 Gordon Marock  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:02:28am

re: #34 ElKafir

Translation from NY Slimes moonbatish into plain English:
"More proof Obama is not a muslim, and you idiots should be worried he may be harmed by bad people"

I stand by my oppinion: Obama IS a muslim. He's really good at tayyqia, I must give him that.

Yeah, talk about the ultimate sleeper agent!

37 Peacekeeper  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:02:29am

For a marxist, religion is sure giving him fits.

38 DesertSage  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:02:32am

re: #25 mikeinmd

Shit, all this time I thought Hussein was an Irish name.

You're thinking of his last name....O'Bama.

39 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:02:37am
His conversion, however, was a crime in Muslim eyes; it is “irtidad” or “ridda,” usually translated from the Arabic as “apostasy,” but with connotations of rebellion and treason. Indeed, it is the worst of all crimes that a Muslim can commit, worse than murder (which the victim’s family may choose to forgive)

I think Obama's an iritant that I'd like to get ridda.

40 FoolsMate  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:02:42am

I'm not for Obama, but to hell with foreign Muslims and their opinions on our presidential candidates. What matters first is we Americans pick the president that we want. Next, the rest of the world can deal with it. I can't think of anything more dhimmi than changing your vote, even if it's for Obama, because you're afraid foreign Muslims won't like it.

41 galloping granny  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:02:46am

re: #30 Maine's Michael

I can just hear Obama now:

'The notion that I, having had a Muslim father, would be less effective in conversing with the Muslim world, is, on it's face, ridiculous. MCain has lost his bearings. He wants us in Iraq for 100 years. We will tax the corporations and rich Americas, out of fiarness. I will talk unconditionally with Ahmadinejad, except for a few conditions, of course. Pass the waffles.'

Has anyone else noticed that his favorite word is 'notion' (after 'change', of course)?

It is his attempt so sound "folksy" - to communicate with common people.

42 Diamond Bullet  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:03:12am

Weird article. It borders on acknowledging the inherent violence in Islam - after all, how is an apostate any better or worse than the typical American President infidel? Anything not of Islam just gets nail-bombed until it is.

43 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:03:13am

re: #16 Gordon Marock

This would . . . "complicate the security planning of state visits by President Obama to Muslim countries . . ." WTF? Exactly how would this change Secret Service planning visits to Muslim countries?

Current planning: "There are a shit load of people in country X who want to kill the President."

Planning with Obama: "There are a HUGE shit load of people in country X who want to kill the President."

I agree. I think that's a non-issue, really.

44 Kenneth  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:03:21am

There is one potential benefit have having an apostate president. Other doubting Muslims might be encouraged to leave the faith cult. On the other hand, there exists the very real possibility of a President Obama meeting with Ahmadinejad "with no-preconditions" and publicly reverting back to the "true religion." Outrageous, yes, but it could happen.

45 Charles  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:03:28am

By the way, RedState published an article yesterday that is a blatant rip-off of my post about Obama's 'unconditional meeting with Iran', with no credit to me.

[Link: www.redstate.com...]

46 seekeroftruth  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:03:30am

Wonder how his campaign is going to handle this now that the liberal media has outed his lie about not being muslim?

47 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:03:54am
48 Peacekeeper  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:03:56am

If Obama gave the word, at least half the women in the Democrat party would put on Bhurkas tomorrow. That's real power. Scary real.

49 mikeinmd  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:04:03am

re: #38 DesertSage

Ha !

50 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:04:43am

re: #40 FoolsMate

I'm not for Obama, but to hell with foreign Muslims and their opinions on our presidential candidates. What matters first is we Americans pick the president that we want. Next, the rest of the world can deal with it. I can't think of anything more dhimmi than changing your vote, even if it's for Obama, because you're afraid foreign Muslims won't like it.

Agree. Otherwise, by the same logic, we can never elect a Jew or woman as president. Screw their bigotry, we elect whomever we damn well please.

51 amphibian  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:05:23am

First of all:

the recommended punishment is beheading at the hands of a cleric, although in recent years there have been both stonings and hangings

Progress! We thought the Muhammedans were stuck in a rut these 1400 years, but look at all the options they've invented lately!

Second of all, I guess this opinion piece is some sort of collision between the "what other countries think of us is more important than anything else" and the "Ears is gunna be prezzzident! W00t!" memes. Ultimately, meaningless. Pres. Bush and other officials have visited Iraq while the fighting was quite hot and there were certainly men out there who wanted them dead, and their security was handled just fine.

52 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:05:31am

re: #48 Peacekeeper

If Obama gave the word, at least half the women in the Democrat
party would put on Bhurkas tomorrow. That's real power. Scary real.

I've seen the women in the Democratic party. Half wearing burkhas is a good start.

53 The Other Les  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:05:37am

re: #48 Peacekeeper

If Obama gave the word, at least half the women in the Democrat party would put on Bhurkas tomorrow. That's real power. Scary real.

Some folks need a burka.

54 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:05:39am
55 opnion  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:05:43am

re: #9 Peacekeeper

THAT'S 59 STATES!


Right, his campaign would not let him visit Hawaii or Alaska, so he just went to 57 states.

56 galloping granny  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:06:11am

re: #40 FoolsMate

I'm not for Obama, but to hell with foreign Muslims and their opinions on our presidential candidates. What matters first is we Americans pick the president that we want. Next, the rest of the world can deal with it. I can't think of anything more dhimmi than changing your vote, even if it's for Obama, because you're afraid foreign Muslims won't like it.

You can say that easily enough if you want to, but while you are doing so you might consider the fact that Barack Hussein Obama has raised many millions more than Hillary, most of it in small donations. Anyone in the entire world can go to Obama's website and donate money to his campaign. And as long as the donation is under $200, it essentially gets chalked up as "petty cash." Do you really think all those donations he's getting are coming from the US?

57 Peacekeeper  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:06:15am

I really doubt he'll be doing that dumb-ass sword dance in Saudi anytime soon. Only goofy Bush types get to do that.

58 FreakyBoy  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:06:16am

Unfortunately for Obama, muslims don't allow you to choose, like Obama did with the black side of his family.

Maybe he should just say "present" when asked about his faith.

59 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:06:38am

re: #48 Peacekeeper

If Obama gave the word, at least half the women in the Democrat party would put on Bhurkas tomorrow. That's real power. Scary real.

Are you saying Obama is Thulsa Doom?

60 debutaunt  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:07:03am

re: #55 opnion

Right, his campaign would not let him visit Hawaii or Alaska, so he just went to 57 states.

Geography-boy.

61 venezuela lover  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:07:21am

Bringing up Obama's religion is fair. Many of Obama's friends that he identifies with and will form any future presidential cabinet are racist Jew haters and racist whitey haters.
I just don't want White House State Dinners to bring credibility to Louis Farrakhan, James Wright, Kenyan cousin Odinga Odinga, Qadaffi, and other purveyors of hate.

If that sausage breakfast was at an International House of Pancakes, then Obama can update his resume to include another 30 minutes of international experience.

62 opnion  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:07:23am

re: #34 ElKafir

Translation from NY Slimes moonbatish into plain English:
"More proof Obama is not a muslim, and you idiots should be worried he may be harmed by bad people"

I stand by my oppinion: Obama IS a muslim. He's really good at tayyqia, I must give him that.

Me too! At the very least he has a lot of residual sympathy for the RoP

63 Pyrocles  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:07:34am

I think most Muslim radicals would let this apostacy thing pass. Afterall, I believe a President Obama would be more useful to Al Queda alive as an ally than dead. Of course, these Islamists don't usually think rationally...

64 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:07:45am

Obama's a big slimeball as far as I am concerned. This article by John Kass appeared on page 2 of the Chicago Tribune yesterday. It deals with Obama's Chicago machine/Illinois combine links.

Obama magically unstained by grime of Chicago Way

Will Barack Obama's presidential candidacy serve his state and city by finally drawing national attention to the sleazy and corrupt politics of Illinois and Chicago?

It is all about context. The presumptive Democratic presidential candidate's politics were born in Chicago. Yet he is presented to the nation as not truly being of this place, as if he floats just above the political corruption here, uninfected, untouched by the stain of it or by any sin of commission or omission. It is all so very mystical.

Perhaps viewing Obama as a Chicago political creature would conflict with the established national media narrative of Obama as a reformer. Actually, there's no "perhaps" about it.

65 rawmuse  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:07:51am

Last night on PBS, there was a program on how a huge Chinese fleet, manned partly by Chinese muslims (yes, there are a lot of those) discovered America in 1421. That would make all of the US a muslim land, according to the Islamics.

66 winston06  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:08:06am

Hussein is an Islamic name (A Shiite one). It's the name of the grandson of the prophet of Islam who was killed by his rivals in what is now known as Iraq.

67 Peacekeeper  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:08:26am

re: #59 Occasional Reader

Are you saying Obama is Thulsa Doom?

Thulsa Doom went on to become spokesman for AT&T. Sell out. It used to ba all about the snakes...

68 The Other Les  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:08:30am

re: #59 Occasional Reader

Are you saying Obama is Thulsa Doom?

Would you waste the talent of James Earl Jones on depicting an idiot like Barack Obama? I would say no!

69 Daisy  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:08:36am

re: #56 galloping granny

You can say that easily enough if you want to, but while you are doing so you might consider the fact that Barack Hussein Obama has raised many millions more than Hillary, most of it in small donations. Anyone in the entire world can go to Obama's website and donate money to his campaign. And as long as the donation is under $200, it essentially gets chalked up as "petty cash." Do you really think all those donations he's getting are coming from the US?

I sure don't think so.

70 winston06  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:08:45am

re: #65 rawmuse

Scandinavians were the first to come to North America as foreigners.

71 ElKafir  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:08:45am

re: #48 Peacekeeper

If Obama gave the word, at least half the women in the Democrat party would put on Bhurkas tomorrow. That's real power. Scary real.

Imagine the metamorphosis of Kos chicks...

72 Gordon Marock  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:08:46am

re: #50 Occasional Reader

Agree. Otherwise, by the same logic, we can never elect a Jew or woman as president. Screw their bigotry, we elect whomever we damn well please.


Hell yes, Arnold Ziffel for President!

73 Roger  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:09:17am

Barry's Reagan impression:

"We begin bagging in 5 minutes!"

74 bosforus  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:09:17am

re: #57 Peacekeeper

I really doubt he'll be doing that dumb-ass sword dance in Saudi anytime soon. Only goofy Bush types get to do that.

I'd be kind of impressed if Obama could do this.

75 winston06  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:09:31am

re: #3 seekeroftruth

Hussein Obama is a liar.

76 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:09:50am

re: #56 galloping granny

Do you really think all those donations he's getting are coming from the US?

Absolutely not. I suspect his campaign his backed by Nadhmi Auchi.

77 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:10:07am

Being from the People's Republic of Chicagoland, I can tell you that NO ONE wants the Chicago Combine in the White House.

He is their branded product.

78 Syrah  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:10:12am

When the left starts going ape shit over discussing Obama and his religious background, say to them soto voce, "Romney", and watch their heads explode.

79 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:10:14am

re: #70 winston06

Scandinavians were the first to come to North America as foreigners.

Wrong! It was ancient Africans, using powered flying machines. The fact that there is no evidence of this proves that the Evil White Man destroyed the evidence.

80 gymnast  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:10:25am

Come the middle of November, Obama will just be another turd on history's manure pile.

81 Peacekeeper  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:11:05am

"AT&T brings wireless internet service to more places around the world than anyone else. Contemplate that on the tree of woe."

82 JammieWearingFool  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:11:06am

So the Times is now an organ of the VRWC?

83 rawmuse  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:11:09am

re: #70 winston06

Of course, but who ya gonna believe, PBS, or your lyin' eyes? :)

84 haakondahl  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:11:26am

re: #45 Charles

By the way, RedState published an article yesterday that is a blatant rip-off of my post about Obama's 'unconditional meeting with Iran', with no credit to me.

Is Redstate somebody we know around here? Why would you link? I see that he has all of seven (count 'em!) comments.

85 mean Gene  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:11:40am

Is this simply the NY Times trying to triangulate themselves into a posititon where they sell a few more papers?

86 The Other Les  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:11:43am

re: #81 Peacekeeper

"AT&T brings wireless internet service to more places around the world than anyone else. Contemplate that on the tree of woe."

Ouch.

87 debutaunt  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:12:04am

re: #79 Occasional Reader

Wrong! It was ancient Africans, using powered flying machines. The fact that there is no evidence of this proves that the Evil White Man destroyed the evidence.

God DAMN them!

88 galloping granny  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:12:21am

re: #85 mean Gene

Is this simply the NY Times trying to triangulate themselves into a posititon where they sell a few more papers?

Might be. They also might be Hillary supporters, or at least owe Hillary in a very big way. She is, after all, their Senator.

89 Peacekeeper  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:12:23am

re: #80 gymnast

Come the middle of November, Obama will just be another turd on history's manure pile.


Negative! He's young enough to keep coming back for at least another five cycles.

90 Daisy  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:12:31am

re: #40 FoolsMate

I'm not for Obama, but to hell with foreign Muslims and their opinions on our presidential candidates. What matters first is we Americans pick the president that we want. Next, the rest of the world can deal with it. I can't think of anything more dhimmi than changing your vote, even if it's for Obama, because you're afraid foreign Muslims won't like it.

What has you convinced the followers of the 'behead all apostates' would need to be foreign? Leaving aside Obama's Marxism for the moment, do you think it's prudent to elect a President who is close to death? I don't.

91 haakondahl  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:12:43am

re: #65 rawmuse

Last night on PBS, there was a program on how a huge Chinese fleet, manned partly by Chinese muslims (yes, there are a lot of those) discovered America in 1421. That would make all of the US a muslim land, according to the Islamics.

That idea has been pretty well de-bunked. That would be the remnants of the Zheng He fleet?

92 rightside  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:13:06am

re: #3 seekeroftruth

Just never you mind.... let him eat his waffle in peace.

93 Babydoc97  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:13:10am

Haven't read all the comments above...but c'mon...

This kind of thing from the Slimes is appearing only to support efforts to have Hillary be given the DNC nomination.

94 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:13:42am

re: #77 ggt

Being from the People's Republic of Chicagoland, I can tell you that NO ONE wants the Chicago Combine in the White House.

He is their branded product.

Very much so. Obama comes in claiming to be a reformer. How the hell can a reformer be backed by both King Richard II and Rod "The Unreformer" Blagojevich?

BTW, ggt, did you see John Kass's column in the Trib yesterday? If not, I have it linked above.

95 Syrah  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:13:57am

re: #93 Babydoc97

Haven't read all the comments above...but c'mon...

This kind of thing from the Slimes is appearing only to support efforts to have Hillary be given the DNC nomination.

Is the NYT in the bag for Hillery?

96 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:14:31am

re: #93 Babydoc97

This kind of thing from the Slimes is appearing only to support efforts to have Hillary be given the DNC nomination.

I think the NYT is more in the tank for Obama. They had a big puff piece front page above-the-fold story on him yesterday, complete with one of these glowy photos of the guy.

97 mikeinmd  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:14:34am
With few exceptions, the jurists of all Sunni and Shiite schools prescribe execution for all adults who leave the faith not under duress

That's flat out bull. Leave islam, and you're fatwa'd. Am I wrong ?

98 bianchi_roadie  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:14:35am

re: #4 MandyManners

Considering the number of radical Islamic terrorists that want to kill ANY elected US official, I don't think this changes the calculus that much. Might make it ackward if a Pres. Obama travels to countries that have penalties for apostacy.

Like I mentioned in the quicklink though - this is the first time a major paper acknowledges that the biggest threat to Obama's safety may not by racist white people (i.e. Every white person not living on the coasts).

99 Peacekeeper  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:14:40am

Apostate or infidel whore? They don't really have much to choose from.

100 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:14:41am

re: #53 The Other Les

I was thinking of this.

FAIR WARNING! results may be similar as looking into a solar eclipse.

101 EC Marm  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:14:49am

re: #70 winston06

Scandinavians were the first to come to North America as foreigners.


At the end of the last ice age, 10 to 12,000 years ago, you could have walked along the edge of the ice, hunting for seals along the way, from Britain to New York City without getting your feet wet.

102 Ben Hur  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:15:10am

Generation Ho.

The backlash.

103 Kenneth  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:15:59am

The author of that NYT piece, Edward Luttwak is one odd fish. The ultimate "realist" diplomat, his is a gloomy world view. His most widely read book is Coup d'etat: A Practical Handbook a how-to guide to staging a coup. In 2005 he wrote an essay, The Logic of Disengagement, arguing the US should withdraw completely from Iraq, & let the various factions fight it out. He does not think Iraq, or any part of the Muslim Middle East, will ever be conducive to democracy.

104 nyc redneck  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:16:28am

hussein.

105 opnion  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:16:37am

re: #85 mean Gene

Is this simply the NY Times trying to triangulate themselves into a posititon where they sell a few more papers?

.

The Obama campaign and the candidate have steadfastly denied that Obama was EVER a Muslim ,which is different than saying that he is not now.
Evidence suggests otherwise. He was registered in Indonesian public school as a Muslim, with two hours of Islamic instruction daily.
His boyhood pals remember him in Mosque.

106 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:16:52am

re: #101 EC Marm

At the end of the last ice age, 10 to 12,000 years ago, you could have walked along the edge of the ice, hunting for seals along the way, from Britain to New York City without getting your feet wet.

Man, I had no idea New York City was that old!

107 amphibian  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:17:17am

re: #70 winston06

Scandinavians were the first to come to North America as foreigners.

Hey, I knew there's a reason I like it here in Minnesota!

108 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:17:24am

re: #98 bianchi_roadie

Considering the number of radical Islamic terrorists that want to kill ANY elected US official, I don't think this changes the calculus that much. Might make it ackward if a Pres. Obama travels to countries that have penalties for apostacy.

Like I mentioned in the quicklink though - this is the first time a major paper acknowledges that the biggest threat to Obama's safety may not by racist white people (i.e. Every white person not living on the coasts).

This is true.

109 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:17:41am
110 gymnast  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:17:57am

re: #89 Peacekeeper

Negative! He's young enough to keep coming back for at least another five cycles.

After it becomes evident that he has damaged to Democrat virtually beyond repair by splitting it along racial lines, he will be a pariah among party leaders and lucky to retain his Senate seat. The Democrats use clowns and provocateurs like Sharpton and Jackson as props. The Media has used Obama a prop. There is a difference.

111 galloping granny  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:18:06am

re: #100 ggt

I was thinking of this.

FAIR WARNING! results may be similar as looking into a solar eclipse.

Why the hell is Cindy Sheehan wearing a Veterans for Peace tee shirt? She is not a veteran and having a son that was does not make her one.

112 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:18:36am

re: #106 Occasional Reader

Man, I had no idea New York City was that old!

Rudy spiffed it up.

113 Roger  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:18:48am

re: #103 Kenneth

The author of that NYT piece, Edward Luttwak is one odd fish. The ultimate "realist" diplomat, his is a gloomy world view. His most widely read book is Coup d'etat: A Practical Handbook a how-to guide to staging a coup. In 2005 he wrote an essay, The Logic of Disengagement, arguing the US should withdraw completely from Iraq, & let the various factions fight it out. He does not think Iraq, or any part of the Muslim Middle East, will ever be conducive to democracy.

I wager internally Luttwak blames it on their 'race' when with the right ideology they'd do just fine as a democracy. Unfortunately they have had no ideological epiphany.

114 opnion  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:19:02am

re: #65 rawmuse

Last night on PBS, there was a program on how a huge Chinese fleet, manned partly by Chinese muslims (yes, there are a lot of those) discovered America in 1421. That would make all of the US a muslim land, according to the Islamics.


Everybody knows that it was a bunch of drunk frat boys, from the University of Atlantis.

115 Gordon Marock  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:19:06am

re: #98 bianchi_roadie

Considering the number of radical Islamic terrorists that want to kill ANY elected US official, I don't think this changes the calculus that much. Might make it ackward if a Pres. Obama travels to countries that have penalties for apostacy.

Like I mentioned in the quicklink though - this is the first time a major paper acknowledges that the biggest threat to Obama's safety may not by racist white people (i.e. Every white person not living on the coasts).

Yeah, according to the NY Times, the smallest minority of people in the world just might be "People who don't want to kill Obama."

116 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:19:07am

re: #45 Charles

By the way, RedState published an article yesterday that is a blatant rip-off of my post about Obama's 'unconditional meeting with Iran', with no credit to me.

[Link: www.redstate.com...]

Charles, what about putting a copyright on some threads? What's the legal ramifications, and does it even make sense? Just throwing out an idea here.

117 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:19:09am
118 ethanxxx  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:19:52am

I just found this at Hot Air. I was as surprised as Allahpundit that I had not seen it yet. It's a very funny and creative Hillary impression by a very talented lady. The voice is Dead-On. I almost wish that Hillary would win so I could see more of this. I apologize if my fellow Lizards have already seen this... I've been gone awhile.

The Best Hillary Impression You'll Ever See.

119 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:20:00am

re: #94 Honorary Yooper

I avoided the paper yesterday. It was Mother's Day and I didn't want to be pi$$ed off. Thanks for the link.

120 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:20:07am

re: #112 MandyManners

re: #106 Occasional Reader

Man, I had no idea New York City was that old!

Rudy spiffed it up.

Little-known fact; the original Paleolithic British America-discoverers had no lasting impact, because after being harassed by Squeegee Men, they turned around and went home.

121 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:20:20am

re: #115 Gordon Marock

Yeah, according to the NY Times, the smallest minority of people in the world just might be "People who don't want to kill Obama."

I'm finally a Minority!

122 tfc3rid  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:20:21am

It send shivers down my spoine to read anything that says President Obama...

123 WriterMom  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:20:52am

OHMYGAWD

This is one of the funniest things I have EVAH seen.

*warning* BAD BAD LANGUAGE

HAHAHAhAHAHAAHAHA

124 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:21:21am

re: #120 Occasional Reader

Little-known fact; the original Paleolithic British America-discoverers had no lasting impact, because after being harassed by Squeegee Men, they turned around and went home.

*shaking my head and giggling*

125 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:21:22am

re: #121 MandyManners

I'm finally a Minority!

Let's apply for a Federal grant, based on our minority status!

126 WriterMom  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:21:23am

I have to REDO THE EYE make up.

Killing myself laughing

127 Daisy  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:21:31am

re: #85 mean Gene

Is this simply the NY Times trying to triangulate themselves into a posititon where they sell a few more papers?

Sounds likely. At the same time I believe that most armchair white liberals seriously blanch at the reality of a black President. It's a racist thing. It was one thing to campaign for him and so sound cool by association .. but now .. this could put quite the dent in the leftist condescending/grievance industry if the Obamas actually end up occupying the White House. And so they speak their secrets more openly in the living room of their favorite rag. The other secret is that from a leftist perspective (and maybe not only that perspective) Hillary and McCain were almost interchangeable. This could be a campaign ad for McCain.

128 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:21:39am

re: #105 opnion

oh, but he wasn't a muslim in his heart.

doncha get it?

129 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:22:08am

re: #125 Ward Cleaver

Let's apply for a Federal grant, based on our minority status!

What'll we do with it once we get it?

130 Dad O' Blondes  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:22:13am

Iahh did not have spiritual relations with THAT prophet ... or with THAT preacher ... or with ... ANYBODY !

.

131 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:22:42am

re: #114 opnion

Everybody knows that it was a bunch of drunk frat boys, from the University of Atlantis.

Heh. "Road trip! Woo-hoo!"

They eventually skeddadled back home after an unpleasant nightclub encounter in which some Iroquois asked "do you MAHND if we DANCE with yo' DATES".

132 Cygnus  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:22:54am

re: #41 galloping granny

It is his attempt so sound "folksy" - to communicate with common bitter, Bible- and gun-totin' people.

133 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:22:58am

re: #111 galloping granny

it doesn't help her looks.

134 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:23:25am

re: #129 MandyManners

What'll we do with it once we get it?

Spend it on American-made guns!

/i just stole tfk's stimulus payment idea

135 venezuela lover  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:23:36am

re: #30 Maine's Michael

I can just hear Obama now:

'The notion that I, having had a Muslim father, would be less effective in conversing with the Muslim world, is, on it's face, ridiculous. MCain has lost his bearings. He wants us in Iraq for 100 years. We will tax the corporations and rich Americas, out of fiarness. I will talk unconditionally with Ahmadinejad, except for a few conditions, of course. Pass the waffles.'

Has anyone else noticed that his favorite word is 'notion' (after 'change', of course)?

I too have noticed Obama's overuse of the word "notion". He uses "notion" everytime he really wants to say "frickin unsupported lie". Yep, everytime Obama says "notion", I expect another frickin unsupported lie to come out of his mouth.

The other word his overuses is "unfortunate".

136 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:23:54am

re: #133 ggt

it doesn't help her looks.

What, her sagging balcons?

137 sk  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:24:02am

Probably a last-ditch effort by the Hillary supporters. It's not that BHO is a MUSLIM, but that he will have "difficulties" and be "in danger" because he is an apostate.

OF COURSE, it seems that the Muzzy leaders don't really think BHO is an apostate. Which means, they think he is still secretly Muslim. For he was indeed born a Muslim.

138 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:24:44am

re: #135 venezuela lover

I too have noticed Obama's overuse of the word "notion". He uses "notion" everytime he really wants to say "frickin unsupported lie". Yep, everytime Obama says "notion", I expect another frickin unsupported lie to come out of his mouth.

The other word his overuses is "unfortunate".

"Unfortunate notion" = double whammy.

139 rawmuse  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:24:49am

re: #118 ethanxxx

LOL! very believable, too.

140 Dhimmisum  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:24:54am

I think I had read at Jihad Watch that Robert Spencer was of the opinion that Obama would not be considered an apostate because of the age that he converted to Christianity...something about if the conversion takes place before puberty then no apostasy has taken place....will see if I can find this...

141 haakondahl  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:25:08am

re: #123 WriterMom

OHMYGAWD
This is one of the funniest things I have EVAH seen.

*warning* BAD BAD LANGUAGE

HAHAHAhAHAHAAHAHA

Warning: Bad Taste in Blogs. This guy has links to GoV and BJ, and the article in question is re-hash of the Hitler scenes from Patton (I think), but with Hitler as Nillary receiving the news of his impending defeat at the hands of Obama.

142 WriterMom  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:25:11am

re: #137 sk

Uhh, ixnay on the uzzymay phrase.

143 Peacekeeper  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:25:11am

re: #110 gymnast

After it becomes evident that he has damaged to Democrat virtually beyond repair by splitting it along racial lines, he will be a pariah among party leaders and lucky to retain his Senate seat. The Democrats use clowns and provocateurs like Sharpton and Jackson as props. The Media has used Obama a prop. There is a difference.

I don't see it happening. They're still cheering Jimmy Carter at conventions for crying out loud. Check back in a couple of years if I'm wrong I will be happy to eat me words.

144 zulubaby  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:25:29am
145 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:25:45am

re: #137 sk

I thought we are all born muslim --according to the muslims.

146 WriterMom  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:25:58am

re: #141 haakondahl

Oy-I had no idea...I just thought it was funny. I saw it via Small Dead Animals so I clicked.

147 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:26:01am

re: #7 EC Marm

Hard to believe that the NYT would print such a letter, but good for 'em.

/Someone will be looking for work soon.

148 zulubaby  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:26:02am

WriterMamaaaaaaaaa!

149 Daisy  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:26:09am

Off to work I go - bye for now Lizards.

150 WriterMom  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:26:17am

re: #144 zulubaby

zuuuuuuuuuuuuuzuuuuuuuuuuu

151 galloping granny  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:26:28am

re: #140 Dhimmisum

I think I had read at Jihad Watch that Robert Spencer was of the opinion that Obama would not be considered an apostate because of the age that he converted to Christianity...something about if the conversion takes place before puberty then no apostasy has taken place....will see if I can find this...

But he did NOT convert as a child. He has specifically stated that he became a Christian after he moved to Chicago in Reverend Wright's church. He has stated this repeatedly - and put it in writing.

152 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:26:34am

re: #140 Dhimmisum

I think I had read at Jihad Watch that Robert Spencer was of the opinion that Obama would not be considered an apostate because of the age that he converted to Christianity...something about if the conversion takes place before puberty then no apostasy has taken place....will see if I can find this...

That might get him off the hook legally, but it might not stop the splodeydopes.

153 mean Gene  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:26:42am

re: #97 mikeinmd

That's flat out bull. Leave islam, and you're fatwa'd. Am I wrong ?

I think only men who leave get killed.
Women who leave get imprisoned and ''re-educated'' til they either reconvert back or die.

154 haakondahl  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:26:58am

re: #146 WriterMom

Oy-I had no idea...I just thought it was funny. I saw it via Small Dead Animals so I clicked.

Oh, well...

155 Hawaiian cocoNUT  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:26:59am

00bama supporters should not worry. All Muslim countries will give him a conditional pass if he pressures Israel to death.

156 nyc redneck  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:27:06am

re: #13 bosforus

But of course, if anyone tries to use this against Obama they'll likewise be called a bigot, a racist, or a lunatic.

how abt. skeptical. could they just call me skeptical that i don't want to vote for a foolish pompous commie w/ a moslem middle name that has now been decreed off limits to even utter? (especially considering what we are up against w/ the spread of violent islam.)

157 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:27:13am

re: #134 Ward Cleaver

Spend it on American-made guns!

/i just stole tfk's stimulus payment idea

No Israeli Desert Eagles?

158 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:27:26am

re: #144 zulubaby

Woman who saved 2,500 Warsaw Ghetto children dies at 98

I saw that on Fox News this morning. Great story.

Hi zulubaby!

159 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:27:27am

re: #25 mikeinmd

Shit, all this time I thought Hussein was an Irish name.

Jesus wept.

You must have been thinking about O'Bama...

160 Peacekeeper  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:27:28am

re: #124 MandyManners

*shaking my head and giggling*

But my AT&T gag just didn't do it for you? (muttering)

161 Babydoc97  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:27:35am

re: #96 Occasional Reader

Interesting...think the Slimes is playing both sides of the DNC fence then? Because really...I can't think of any other reason for them to run an article on the "danger" of electing someone who left the satanic death cult of islam...unless they are trying to throw Hillary some support.

162 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:27:45am

re: #157 MandyManners

buy ammo.

163 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:28:04am

re: #137 sk

Probably a last-ditch effort by the Hillary supporters. It's not that BHO is a MUSLIM, but that he will have "difficulties" and be "in danger" because he is an apostate.

OF COURSE, it seems that the Muzzy leaders don't really think BHO is an apostate. Which means, they think he is still secretly Muslim. For he was indeed born a Muslim.

I'm dizzy.

164 galloping granny  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:28:28am

re: #145 ggt

I thought we are all born muslim --according to the muslims.

Some of us are born more muslim than others. Those of us who are born muslim but think we are born something else have to revert. Those of us born to a muslim daddy are muslim, no matter what religion mommy is. Muslim mommies don't count because muslim mommies are not allowed to have children except by muslim daddies.

165 spartanwoman  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:28:32am

re: #55 opnion

Right, his campaign would not let him visit Hawaii or Alaska, so he just went to 57 states.

Al that consorting with Kerry made him confuse states with Heinz varieties

166 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:28:35am

re: #163 MandyManners

It's the circular reasoning of centuries. I don't get it either.

167 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:28:55am

re: #145 ggt

I thought we are all born muslim --according to the muslims.

That's what I thought.

168 seekeroftruth  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:28:58am

re: #75 winston06

I agree.
re: #105 opnion

.

The Obama campaign and the candidate have steadfastly denied that Obama was EVER a Muslim ,which is different than saying that he is not now.
Evidence suggests otherwise. He was registered in Indonesian public school as a Muslim, with two hours of Islamic instruction daily.
His boyhood pals remember him in Mosque.

I had forgotten that the NYT had written about Obama's muslim background back in 2007. And interestingly not only did the NYT publish this article, but it is also hidden on Obama's website ( !) [Link: www.barackobama.com...]

169 soccerdad  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:29:14am

Did any of you seriously think, for even a moment, that Barack Hussein Obama was not a name with Muslim origin? I knew it from the first time I heard it. I'm telling you, with him in the race, the repubs win in a landslide. Too bad we have a Dem running.

170 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:29:24am
171 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:29:29am

re: #164 galloping granny

too confusing to me.

172 Cygnus  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:30:12am

re: #100 ggt

I was thinking of this.

FAIR WARNING! results may be similar as looking into a solar eclipse.

MY EYES! ARRRRRRRGH!
That picture requires a Sheehan filter. Like a solar filter, but stronger.

173 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:30:39am

re: #172 Cygnus

I warn-end-ya!

174 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:31:02am

Charles, is it okay to use the "Report" link to get your attention, to read a comment we think is important or thread-worthy?

175 Dad O' Blondes  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:31:21am

Behead all who insult the prophet!

God D-mn America!

Death to infidels!

The chickens are coming home to roost!
_______________________

Why don't we just behead the chickens and have a barbeque?

.

176 bosforus  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:31:44am

re: #156 nyc redneck

how abt. skeptical. could they just call me skeptical that i don't want to vote for a foolish pompous commie w/ a moslem middle name that has now been decreed off limits to even utter? (especially considering what we are up against w/ the spread of violent islam.)

Believing all of those things you just mentioned is proof that you have no optimism or belief in the good of people. Basically, you lack hope for change!
pompous commie? -as if democracy even works!
moslem middle name? -wouldn't want a Muslim to get offended at the idea that we're wary of Muslims!
violent islam? -racist fascist! because, you know, islam is a race

177 rawmuse  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:31:50am

re: #169 soccerdad

Did any of you seriously think, for even a moment, that Barack Hussein Obama was not a name with Muslim origin? I knew it from the first time I heard it. I'm telling you, with him in the race, the repubs win in a landslide. Too bad we have a Dem running.

Do NOT become complacent. Yours is a dangerous assumption, even if you end up being correct. Custer had similar thoughts.

178 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:31:56am

re: #160 Peacekeeper

But my AT&T gag just didn't do it for you? (muttering)

I don't get it. (Sounds like my love-life.)

179 Cygnus  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:32:05am

re: #106 Occasional Reader

Man, I had no idea New York City was that old!

That would make New York City older that Old York.

180 quickjustice  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:32:08am

Why has the NYT chosen this moment to point out that Obama's "choice" to convert from Islam to Christianity is worse than "irrelevant" to radical Muslims-- that it's a death sentence? He's virtually clinched the Democratic nomination. Is the dying Hillary campaign grasping at straws yet again? Or is it an argument that Obama's loyalty to the U.S. is beyond reproach because his U.S. citizenship is the only thing standing between him and a beheading?

To date, Obama has faced no threat to his life based upon his conversion despite having been an "apostate" for many years. The left-leaning Wood Foundation of Chicago, on whose board Obama sat with Ayers, gave grants to leftist Muslim "community" organizations in Chicago for years. The United Church of Christ to which Obama converted is the most leftist, anti-semitic, gay-militant denomination among the Protestant churches. They preach about the "victimhood" of Arabs at the hands of Israel all the time.

If Obama ever came to believe that his life were in danger because of his alleged "apostasy", he'd reconvert in a minute. Obama is an opportunist who lacks personal courage.

181 Charles  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:32:29am

re: #116 Ward Cleaver

Charles, what about putting a copyright on some threads? What's the legal ramifications, and does it even make sense? Just throwing out an idea here.

There's a copyright notice at the bottom of the page already.

I don't mind when someone covers the same subjects, but that RedState article even uses a lot of the same phrases from my article.

182 3 wood  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:32:41am

Just got back from a meeting, so fogive me if this point has been made.

I'm actually not surprised by the NYT printing this, I think it is their attempt at damage control for Obama. Now that he clearly will win the nomination, get all the negative stuff out of the way now so when it comes up during the national campaign it can be dismissed it as old news.

183 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:32:43am

Cygnus -- HERE some eye wash.

184 Syrah  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:33:18am

re: #144 zulubaby

Woman who saved 2,500 Warsaw Ghetto children dies at 98

A reminder that anyone can do the right thing in even the worst of circumstances.

185 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:33:28am

re: #162 ggt

buy ammo.

Ingredients for Molotov cocktails?

186 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:34:14am

re: #166 ggt

It's the circular reasoning of centuries. I don't get it either.

No wonder they seethe and go splodey. Their brains know something's wrong but they just cannot grip it.

187 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:34:18am

re: #167 Ward Cleaver

That's what I thought.

They want me to become a revert. What they don't understand is that actually I'm a prevert.

188 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:34:22am
189 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:34:30am

re: #181 Charles

There's a copyright notice at the bottom of the page already.

I don't mind when someone covers the same subjects, but that RedState article even uses a lot of the same phrases from my article.

Is RedState a kind of semi-MSM blog?

/there's some qualifiers!

190 galloping granny  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:34:53am

re: #181 Charles

There's a copyright notice at the bottom of the page already.

I don't mind when someone covers the same subjects, but that RedState article even uses a lot of the same phrases from my article.

Charles, why don't you simply contact them with a violation notice and CC their web host? The general rule is 20% without proper credit.

191 Maine's Michael  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:34:55am

I was speaking with a guy I know in Vermont yesterday. A successful late middle aged artist.

He was telling me how Vermont Castings had closed, putting 300 people out of work. And another plant had closed as well.

I said "Well, I'm sure the ObamaMessiah will set things right.'

He said 'I certainly hope so.'

192 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:34:56am

re: #187 Occasional Reader

They want me to become a revert. What they don't understand is that actually I'm a prevert.

Lionel Mandrake?

193 annar  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:35:11am

To remove all ambiguity maybe someone should directly pose the famous baptismal question to BHO.

Do you renounce Satan Allah and all his pomps?

This won't get him off the hook with Islam since he will still be an apostate but it could play well in some places.

194 lawhawk  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:35:15am

re: #96 Occasional Reader

Then again, this is the NYT, and they want to remind both Obama and Hillary who gets to throw their weight around however they see fit.

195 tfc3rid  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:35:17am

re: #177 rawmuse

Do NOT become complacent. Yours is a dangerous assumption, even if you end up being correct. Custer had similar thoughts.

I don't think for a decond it is a landslide...

Looking at stat epolls and the electoral college, the worst thing you can think of is that it will be a landslide... Obama is guaranteed about 250 Electoral Votes... That's pretty damn close to winning the White House...

196 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:35:18am

re: #188 buzzsawmonkey

It's the purple stuff those girls used in the UK we need to learn about.

197 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:35:49am

re: #192 Ward Cleaver

Lionel Mandrake?

Lt. "Bat" Guano!

198 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:36:11am
199 opnion  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:36:17am

re: #128 ggt

oh, but he wasn't a muslim in his heart.

doncha get it?


Makes all of the difference.

200 scaramouche  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:36:27am

Don't worry. Only a tiny minority of extremists--say about 100 million of so--are hoping to mete out the divinely-decreed punishment for apostasy. The vast majority of "moderates" have no intention of slicing off the apostate's pretty little noggin and are quite content to let an "extremist" do the dirty work.

201 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:36:48am

re: #180 quickjustice


If Obama ever came to believe that his life were in danger because of his alleged "apostasy", he'd reconvert in a minute. Obama is an opportunist who lacks personal courage.

He can claim he never really converted, and that his "Christianity" (Wright's church isn't what I'd call Christian) is just taqqiya. He pretended so he could get elected.
And then, the US has a Muslim president.

Vote for McCain!

202 galloping granny  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:37:08am

re: #191 Maine's Michael

I was speaking with a guy I know in Vermont yesterday. A successful late middle aged artist.

He was telling me how Vermont Castings had closed, putting 300 people out of work. And another plant had closed as well.

I said "Well, I'm sure the ObamaMessiah will set things right.'

He said 'I certainly hope so.'

I live in Vermont. I was in the grocery store a couple of days ago and overheard the guy one lane over at the checkouts say "we can't vote for Obama - he is a Marxist."

All hope is not lost.

203 JammieWearingFool  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:37:32am

re: #184 Syrah

A reminder that anyone can do the right thing in even the worst of circumstances.

She was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, but the idiots gave it to some bloated ex-politican instead, to their eternal disgrace.

204 Maine's Michael  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:38:09am

I'm not quite sure what all the fuss is about.

When you look at what Obama has been swallowing at Wright's 'Church' the last 20 years or so, there isn't a lot of difference between it and Islam, where the rubber meets the road.

205 nyc redneck  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:38:13am

re: #184 Syrah

A reminder that anyone can do the right thing in even the worst of circumstances.

that's when you see who is truly a hero. often it's just a seemingly average person who rises to the occasion.

206 Ojoe  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:38:24am

re: #2 DesertSage

There are

57 nations of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (and they are) are opening a new observatory!

Go see a few threads back.

I bet this is where that 57 states statement popped up from.


& OT Here is the view from Mt. Wilson this AM; a sea of clouds —
Mt. Wilson Towercam

207 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:38:40am
208 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:38:52am

Did I ever tell you that I HATE housework? Something I inherited from my mother.

209 tfc3rid  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:38:56am

re: #204 Maine's Michael

I think his church has more in common with the Nation of Islam than 'Islam' as we know it to be...

210 opnion  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:39:02am

re: #169 soccerdad

Did any of you seriously think, for even a moment, that Barack Hussein Obama was not a name with Muslim origin? I knew it from the first time I heard it. I'm telling you, with him in the race, the repubs win in a landslide. Too bad we have a Dem running.


Stop it! YHis name is really Paddy Obama.

211 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:39:30am
212 spartanwoman  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:39:30am

re: #206 Ojoe

There are

Go see a few threads back.

I bet this is where that 57 states statement popped up from.


& OT Here is the view from Mt. Wilson this AM; a sea of clouds —
Mt. Wilson Towercam


Now that's a scary little slip

213 pat  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:39:31am

MEK, Methyl Ethyl Ketone, for the wayward boy friend

214 Dhimmisum  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:39:38am

re: #152 Ward Cleaver

Ain't that the truth!

Found the video at Hotair (don't know how to do the link thingy). It is the Jihad Watch on 3/20/2007.

215 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:39:50am

re: #188 buzzsawmonkey

Buy now; gasoline prices going up all the time.

Stock up on lighters, sheets, tape and match books, too. (I learned how to tear the cover off of a match-book, wrap the matches around the "wick" and tape them to it, bend and tape the striking portion into a circle and place it over the matches but not until just before use. Ah, college.)

216 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:40:15am

re: #211 buzzsawmonkey

many. She delegated most of it. I was not a very good worker.

217 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:40:18am

re: #213 pat

MEK, Methyl Ethyl Ketone, for the wayward boy friend

Huh?

218 galloping granny  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:40:35am

re: #195 tfc3rid

I don't think for a decond it is a landslide...

Looking at stat epolls and the electoral college, the worst thing you can think of is that it will be a landslide... Obama is guaranteed about 250 Electoral Votes... That's pretty damn close to winning the White House...



What the hell?
If the conclusion is already decided and it doesn't make a damn whether anyone votes because Obama is already guaranteed Electoral Votes, then why don't we just declare him the winner and save all those millions this election will cost!

219 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:40:47am

re: #191 Maine's Michael

I was speaking with a guy I know in Vermont yesterday. A successful late middle aged artist.

He was telling me how Vermont Castings had closed, putting 300 people out of work. And another plant had closed as well.

I said "Well, I'm sure the ObamaMessiah will set things right.'

He said 'I certainly hope so.'

Did you laugh before you changed the subject?

220 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:41:12am

re: #215 MandyManners

No more talking about explosives --not good for Charles worldy image.

Most people don't understand our humor.

221 TallTexan  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:41:40am

re: #200 scaramouche

Don't worry. Only a tiny minority of extremists--say about 100 million of so--are hoping to mete out the divinely-decreed punishment for apostasy.


The Times will remind us that we have to respect their culture because it is just as good as ours. So do not look at it as murder but cultural abortion.

And that means they probably will get a governmental grant from our own congress to help them in their quest.

222 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:41:47am
223 3 wood  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:41:52am

By the way, I just read the melt down by medura on the sunday open thread.

Wow.

That one goes into my top 10 list of all time irrational melt downs at LGF. It takes a special kind of crazy to go off like that.

224 alegrias  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:41:53am

NYT supports faux apostasy from crypto mohammetans over mormonism any day of the week, when it comes to the Presidency of the USA.

And "community" labor/organizing in crooked Cook County with people who committed violent attacks against our country in our lifetime is more relevant than governing liberal Massachusetts, when it comes to qualifications for the Presidency of the USA.

Mitt Romney got the shaft--not multi-culti/crooked or forgiving of criminals enough...for the Presidency of the USA.

Liberals want nuance & nihilism in their candidates, with a soupcon of global, but not if you're born to US military in Panama in the 1930s as McCain was.

Can't be the wrong kind of multi-culti now!

225 tfc3rid  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:42:15am

re: #218 galloping granny

Think about it Granny... I'm not saying it is guaranteed but those states that always vote Dem will vote for Obama... I can't see too many 'Blue' states from 2004 not being blue this year...

226 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:42:25am

re: #222 buzzsawmonkey

True; there are those who would blow it all out of proportion.

I C4 once, you are talking sense.

227 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:42:26am

re: #223 3 wood

And I missed it --hope I contributed to it tho.

228 Ojoe  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:42:28am

re: #212 spartanwoman

Significant if you ask me. I hope the question spreads.

229 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:42:39am

re: #220 ggt

No more talking about explosives --not good for Charles worldy image.

Most people don't understand our humor.

Eeks.

230 Sharmuta  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:42:42am

If he's truly an apostate, then he's an even bigger target to the islamists.

231 lawhawk  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:42:50am

re: #218 galloping granny

Let me remind you of 1980. At that time, Jimmy Carter was running against Reagan, and the polls were consistently putting Carter ahead substantially. In fact, the polls were declaring it a walk.

Well, it was a walk alright - Reagan nearly swept the board. You cannot trust the polling, and all those projections about who might vote on what aren't going to be anywhere close to being accurate until you get much closer to the election - and you will find that the polling numbers will get tighter.

232 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:42:55am

re: #222 buzzsawmonkey

True; there are those who would blow it all out of proportion.

*rimshot*

233 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:43:06am

re: #197 Occasional Reader

Lt. "Bat" Guano!

The Coca-Cola Company!

234 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:43:19am

re: #223 3 wood

linky pleez.

235 nyc redneck  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:43:30am

re: #202 galloping granny

I live in Vermont. I was in the grocery store a couple of days ago and overheard the guy one lane over at the checkouts say "we can't vote for Obama - he is a Marxist."

All hope is not lost.

interestingly, my daughter was at an art opening in the city last wk and met a young bk. woman who called obama the obamination and really knew the facts abt. him. they discussed his absurd sudden rise to messiah status out of no where and his hollow empty rhetoric and how bad he would be for the country. so i agree, these are signs that all is not lost.

236 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:43:36am

re: #226 Occasional Reader

I C4 once, you are talking sense.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

237 Cygnus  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:43:40am

re: #144 zulubaby

Woman who saved 2,500 Warsaw Ghetto children dies at 98

A true hero, even if she didn't think so.

238 haakondahl  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:44:04am

re: #204 Maine's Michael

I'm not quite sure what all the fuss is about.

When you look at what Michelle Obama has been swallowing at Wright's 'Church' the last 20 years or so, there isn't a lot of difference between it and Islam, where the rubber meets the road.

Fixed that for ya.

239 lawhawk  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:44:17am

Charles,

This is still Luttwak's opinion that Obama was born and raised Muslim, and later turned to Christianity (this is an op-ed, not a straight news story, though one would seriously hope that someone at the Times or elsewhere does a fact-check to verify the claims). The campaign will exploit this and claim that there's no truth to the matter asserted.

240 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:44:25am

re: #220 ggt

No more talking about explosives --not good for Charles worldy image.

Most people don't understand our humor.

I mentioned Good Times' "Dy-no-mite!" on the previous thread - does that count?

241 jcm  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:44:27am

Morning Lizards,

Has a wonderful Mother's day. 3 generations of Moms.

Found this gem in the Sunday Parade Magazine;

Zbigniew Brzezinski says he can’t remember getting—or making—many 3 a.m. calls when he was President Jimmy Carter’s national security adviser in the late 1970s. “There were occasions when [Secretary of State Cyrus] Vance was negotiating with the Soviets abroad and Carter had to make decisions on the phone,” he says. But the only “emergency” he recalls was a minor missile warning, which Brzezinski managed without the President.

Ziggy baby, does Nov. 4, '79 ring any bells?

242 annar  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:44:28am

re: #204 Maine's Michael

I'm not quite sure what all the fuss is about.

When you look at what Obama has been swallowing at Wright's 'Church' the last 20 years or so, there isn't a lot of difference between it and Islam, where the rubber meets the road.

Correct. There is no difference; Wright and Farrakhan are both pushing politicized cultism.

243 Ojoe  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:44:29am

re: #231 lawhawk

A poll question is not secret, there is at least the questioner and questionee.

The ballot is secret.

That is a big difference.

244 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:44:40am

re: #222 buzzsawmonkey

re: #226 Occasional Reader

You so baaaaaad!

245 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:44:48am

re: #212 spartanwoman

Now that's a scary little slip

The towercam pictures never fail to get a "Wow!" from me.

246 alegrias  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:45:00am

re: #208 ggt

Did I ever tell you that I HATE housework? Something I inherited from my mother.

* * *
You remind me of the "I Hate to Cook Book" by Peg Bracken many years ago. She must have been like Phyllis Diller, the un-Martha Stewart.

247 galloping granny  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:45:25am

re: #231 lawhawk

Let me remind you of 1980. At that time, Jimmy Carter was running against Reagan, and the polls were consistently putting Carter ahead substantially. In fact, the polls were declaring it a walk.

Well, it was a walk alright - Reagan nearly swept the board. You cannot trust the polling, and all those projections about who might vote on what aren't going to be anywhere close to being accurate until you get much closer to the election - and you will find that the polling numbers will get tighter.

I agree with you lawhawk. That was the point I was attempting to make - obviously not well. I guess I will go lug in more dirt and pot up tomatoes.

248 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:45:26am

re: #237 Cygnus

A true hero, even if she didn't think so.

She's right up there with Oskar Schindler.

249 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:46:08am

re: #241 jcm

Morning Lizards,

Has a wonderful Mother's day. 3 generations of Moms.

Found this gem in the Sunday Parade Magazine;

Ziggy baby, does Nov. 4, '79 ring any bells?

He obviously doesn't think that was a big deal.

250 Cygnus  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:46:26am

re: #173 ggt

I warn-end-ya!

Curiosity killed the cat.

251 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:46:45am

re: #240 Occasional Reader

No, I don't think so. You'd have to ask Stinky, he is the expert on the subject. (how do you think he got his name?)

252 seekeroftruth  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:46:49am

re: #230 Sharmuta

If he's truly an apostate, then he's an even bigger target to the islamists.

I'm not sure that he really is after seeing the NOI bodyguards surrounding his pal Rev. Wright. I think we are being duped.

253 Iron Fist  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:46:49am

re: #128 ggt,

You mean he never got to behead anyone? What a dissappointment that must have been for him.

254 rawmuse  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:46:58am

I would remind those of you that think that McCain is going to waltz in to the White House, that not one but 2 of his campaign advisors have resigned over the weekend due to close ties with the Myanmar government, who have proven themselves to be nothing less than monsters with this cyclone disaster. And if for even a slight minute you think that the MSM is going to let this pass by unheralded...

/pass the bong.

255 FriarsTale  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:47:20am

Will Barack's website reply again?
Are we saving that webpage, in case it disappears?

256 Ojoe  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:47:24am

There are 57 States in the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

There are 57 States in the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

There are 57 States in the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

257 3 wood  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:47:26am

re: #208 ggt

Did I ever tell you that I HATE housework? Something I inherited from my mother.

Every Saturday I watch "How Clean is Your House?" on the BBC. After 10 minutes of watching that mess I start cleaning our kitchen and doing laundry. My wife loves it, she goes out shopping/for lunch and comes home to a spotless kitchen and clean/folded laundry.

I'm thinking of hiring myself out :)

258 tfc3rid  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:47:40am

re: #231 lawhawk

Let me remind you of 1980. At that time, Jimmy Carter was running against Reagan, and the polls were consistently putting Carter ahead substantially. In fact, the polls were declaring it a walk.

Well, it was a walk alright - Reagan nearly swept the board. You cannot trust the polling, and all those projections about who might vote on what aren't going to be anywhere close to being accurate until you get much closer to the election - and you will find that the polling numbers will get tighter.

While I do agree, I also think this nation is as polarized as ever before... Those preordained 'Blue' states and 'Red' states from 200 and 2004 are like nothing we have seen before in this country... I for one, agree that polling is nothing to hang your hat on, but in 2004, if Ohio swings 2 percentage points the opther way John Kerry is President... I can see a similar scenario this year, with Ohio and Colorado beingf the major battleground...

I think for the detriment of the country, everythins is so polarized right now we will never again see a 'Reagan' landslide...

259 Ojoe  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:48:08am

re: #245 Ward Cleaver

I only post it when it is wow.

Sometimes it is boring.

260 Cygnus  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:48:13am

re: #183 ggt

Cygnus -- HERE some eye wash.

Thank you - I'm all better now.

261 Iron Fist  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:48:30am

re: #220 ggt,

But explosives are fun. The Best Party I ever attended had 80 lbs of C-4 as one of the entertainments :-P

262 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:48:34am

re: #253 Iron Fist

Iron Fist --how ya' doin'?

263 annar  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:48:41am

re: #256 Ojoe

There are 57 States in the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

There are 57 States in the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

There are 57 States in the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

58 after we join.

264 lawhawk  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:48:53am

re: #243 Ojoe

Pollsters can skew their results by choosing who to contact. Further, polls are also self selecting - those who choose to answer and those who don't.

That latter point also affects exit polls.

Reader beware.

265 3 wood  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:49:08am

re: #227 ggt


EC Marm and Buzzmonkey were the main targets.

Seemed to be some sock puppetry gong on too.

266 bosforus  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:49:09am

re: #256 Ojoe

Mental capacity ... unable ... to connect ... the dots!
/MSM

267 Ojoe  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:49:25am

re: #261 Iron Fist

80 pounds ? ! ?

268 maddogg  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:49:28am

Hummm, so if President Obama goes to Iran on one of his unconditional visits, and they chop his head off, will we send them a strongly worded letter, or drop Michelle on their asses?

269 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:49:33am

re: #256 Ojoe

There are 57 States in the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

There are 57 States in the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

There are 57 States in the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

Holy shit. You're right.

Now that IS interesting.

270 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:50:10am

re: #261 Iron Fist

,

But explosives are fun. The Best Party I ever attended had 80 lbs of C-4 as one of the entertainments :-P

On the Nolichucky River near Jonesborough? I was the one dancing on top of my car.

271 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:50:11am

re: #261 Iron Fist

,

But explosives are fun. The Best Party I ever attended had 80 lbs of C-4 as one of the entertainments :-P

Was it that much? (Assuming we're thinking of the same party)

272 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:50:13am

re: #257 3 wood

I am beginning to think there is something wrong with you.

Actually, my hubby is a lot like that too (we make a good pair, eh?). He's so ADHD, doesn't care what he is doing as long as he is doing something.

273 lawhawk  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:50:49am

re: #269 Occasional Reader

Well, that would mean his foreign policy schedule has been a whole lot more rigorous than we've been giving him credit. 57 states in the OIS - that's a whole lot of countries to cover. /

274 Ojoe  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:50:49am

re: #269 Occasional Reader

Please talk it up.

Thanks.

275 haakondahl  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:50:59am

re: #254 rawmuse

I would remind those of you that think that McCain is going to waltz in to the White House, that not one but 2 of his campaign advisors have resigned over the weekend due to close ties with the Myanmar BURMESE government, who have proven themselves to be nothing less than monsters with this cyclone disaster. And if for even a slight minute you think that the MSM is going to let this pass by unheralded...

/pass the bong.

Burma is the country. Myanmar is the regime. The U.S. and associated States have not recognized the attempted name change.

276 jcm  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:51:05am

re: #263 annar

re: #256 Ojoe

There are 57 States in the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

There are 57 States in the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

There are 57 States in the Organization of the Islamic Conference.


58 after we join.

58 after we join surrender.

277 Ma Sands  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:51:07am

re: #256 Ojoe

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..........so THAT's where the number came from !

278 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:51:21am

re: #241 jcm

Morning Lizards,

Has a wonderful Mother's day. 3 generations of Moms.

Found this gem in the Sunday Parade Magazine;

Ziggy baby, does Nov. 4, '79 ring any bells?

I am pretty sure Carter and his tiny band of appeasers did not think that the taking of American diplomats was any big deal, until Night Line started counting the days. That is only when the alarm bells went off at Carter reelection headquarters.

279 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:51:27am

re: #261 Iron Fist

You are such a guy!

280 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:51:37am
281 Ojoe  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:51:44am

re: #277 Ma Sands

That's what I think.

282 3 wood  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:51:54am

re: #234 ggt

But you have to read the second half of the thread to get the full effect. You can literally see medura crackup ibefore your eyes.

283 alegrias  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:51:55am

re: #231 lawhawk

Let me remind you of 1980. At that time, Jimmy Carter was running against Reagan, and the polls were consistently putting Carter ahead substantially. In fact, the polls were declaring it a walk.

Well, it was a walk alright - Reagan nearly swept the board. You cannot trust the polling, and all those projections about who might vote on what aren't going to be anywhere close to being accurate until you get much closer to the election - and you will find that the polling numbers will get tighter.

* * *
Yes, but Dems & pollsters have become smarter than Carter's people in 1980. Plenty of American people will not put country first, but will throw away their vote on a single issue, ie, trees, animal rights, pollution, global warming, etc.

We haven't had a real landslide in Presidential politics for a couple cycles, with 3rd party candidates & ho-hum blase attitudes about defending our country siphoning off voters.

284 jcm  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:51:57am

re: #269 Occasional Reader

Holy shit. You're right.

Now that IS interesting.

Hell of a slip of the tongue.

285 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:52:05am

re: #265 3 wood

do you remember which thread?

286 So?  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:52:13am

re: #12 lawhawk

Forget the flying pig, but note that this may resuscitate the Clinton campaign - pointing out the very obvious problem in running a presidential candidate whose religious background and change in religious observance puts him squarely in the crosshairs for assassinations and terrorism based on his apostasy.

I have a gut feeling it was THE Clinton's connections that made this NYTimes piece materialize.

287 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:52:35am

re: #268 maddogg

Hummm, so if President Obama goes to Iran on one of his unconditional visits, and they chop his head off, will we send them a strongly worded letter, or drop Michelle on their asses?

The latter.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

After a week of listening to her, the mullahs and Dinnerjacket would lop their own heads off.

/kinds like harry mudd's wife

288 haakondahl  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:52:37am

re: #256 Ojoe

There are 57 States in the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

There are 57 States in the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

There are 57 States in the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

Heinz has 57 varieties of sauce.

Heinz has 57 varieties of sauce.

Heinz has 57 varieties of sauce.

289 scaramouche  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:52:38am

The NYT is playing catch-up to Daniel Pipes.

290 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:53:00am

re: #279 ggt

You are such a guy!

It has been scientifically proven that the "Y" chromosome has a "let's blow shit up!" gene sequence.

291 rorschach  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:53:04am

This is Hillary's best reason yet to accept the VP job.

Obama will have a jihadi bullseye on his back from presidential day one.

292 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:53:05am

re: #287 Ward Cleaver

The latter.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

After a week of listening to her, the mullahs and Dinnerjacket would lop their own heads off.

/kinds like harry mudd's wife

kinda like

PIMF

293 loppyd  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:53:09am

one word: unelectable

294 tfc3rid  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:53:36am

re: #288 haakondahl

Heinz has 57 varieties of sauce.

Heinz has 57 varieties of sauce.

Heinz has 57 varieties of sauce.

So it's all a John Kerry-Obama axis of conspiracy?

Wow, pass the Ketchup please...

295 Sharmuta  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:53:47am

re: #241 jcm

Morning Lizards,

Has a wonderful Mother's day. 3 generations of Moms.

Found this gem in the Sunday Parade Magazine;

Ziggy baby, does Nov. 4, '79 ring any bells?

3 a.m. phone call? Can't president obama just hit the snooze button? Please call back after he's had his waffle.

296 Cygnus  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:53:59am

re: #226 Occasional Reader

I C4 once, you are talking sense.

Yes, that's a really dynamite post.

297 jcm  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:54:14am

re: #278 Nevergiveup

I am pretty sure Carter and his tiny band of appeasers did not think that the taking of American diplomats was any big deal, until Night Line started counting the days. That is only when the alarm bells went off at Carter reelection headquarters.

They certainly didn't do much thinking at all re: Iran.

298 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:54:15am

re: #280 buzzsawmonkey

Well above Oskar Schindler. Schindler was a Nazi industrialist; his saving of his slaves was due in large part to self-interest. When the war was going well, he needed the workers; when it became clear that the war was lost, he realized that saving them would serve him well afterwards. And when the war was over he was not shy about sponging on those he'd saved.

Irena Sendler had no such profit motive, and did not seek to capitalize on what she did. All she got was risk and a reward in Heaven. In this, she is on a par with Miep Gies, who helped the Frank family, and with Raul Wallenberg and Sugihara, who issued diplomatic passports at great personal risk upon their own authorization. Wallenberg, of course, vanished into the gulags; Sugihara was demoted and recalled and suffered for his act of conscience.

You're right. Thanks.

299 pbird  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:54:28am

re: #30 Maine's Michael

I can just hear Obama now:

'The notion that I, having had a Muslim father, would be less effective in conversing with the Muslim world, is, on it's face, ridiculous. MCain has lost his bearings. He wants us in Iraq for 100 years. We will tax the corporations and rich Americas, out of fiarness. I will talk unconditionally with Ahmadinejad, except for a few conditions, of course. Pass the waffles.'

Has anyone else noticed that his favorite word is 'notion' (after 'change', of course)?

I hates the word "notion" as used by fat heads!

300 alegrias  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:54:31am

re: #231 lawhawk

Let me remind you of 1980. At that time, Jimmy Carter was running against Reagan, and the polls were consistently putting Carter ahead substantially. In fact, the polls were declaring it a walk.

Well, it was a walk alright - Reagan nearly swept the board. You cannot trust the polling, and all those projections about who might vote on what aren't going to be anywhere close to being accurate until you get much closer to the election - and you will find that the polling numbers will get tighter.

* * *
McCain ought to just admit he voted for Al Gore to capture Dem voters, as Reagan was a former Democrat and captured Democrat voters.

If McCain could admit he wanted a 3rd Gore term in 2000, and considered a Kerry vice-presidency in 2004, he could truthfully say to all those Democrats on the fence, McCain isn't really a 3rd Bush term!

301 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:54:46am

re: #295 Sharmuta

3 a.m. phone call? Can't president obama just hit the snooze button? Please call back after he's had his waffle.

Leggo his Eggo!

302 tfc3rid  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:54:50am

re: #293 loppyd

one word: unelectable

Of course he is... But he'll win Mass, right? He sure as hell will win here in NY... He will win, VT, ME, DE, RI, NJ, CT, PA, MD, DC, IA, WI, MI, MN, IL, WA, CA, OR...

303 scaramouche  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:55:13am

Speaking of Heinz 57, the apostate's wife, Michelle, is just about the only would-be First Lady who could make one feel nostalgic for Tah-ray-zah Heinz 57 Kerry.

304 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:55:26am

re: #297 jcm

They certainly didn't do much thinking at all re: Iran.

You'll get no argument from me.

305 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:55:46am

re: #290 Occasional Reader

It has been scientifically proven that the "Y" chromosome has a "let's blow shit up!" gene sequence.

So, where'd I get my love of it?

306 Cygnus  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:55:50am

re: #248 Ward Cleaver

She's right up there with Oskar Schindler.

And Corrie ten Boom.

307 kansas  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:55:53am

re: #6 Occasional Reader

I agree, this is a flying pig moment. I'm stunned the NYT would print this opinion piece.

It will be modified by end of day.

308 3 wood  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:56:03am

re: #272 ggt

Actually, my hubby is a lot like that too (we make a good pair, eh?). He's so ADHD, doesn't care what he is doing as long as he is doing something.


I worked in an Italian restaurant for a while when I was in hiogh school. Due to my experiences there, I can not go to sleep with a dirty kitchen. Until the dishes are done and put away, sink cleaned and wiped down, and stove cleaned, I can not relax.

309 bill shears  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:56:05am

"The recommended punishment is beheading at the hands of a cleric, although in recent years there have been both stonings and hangings."

It is really hard to believe that any US paper, let alone a NY Times, can dispassionately commit sentences like this to their pages without even a hint of condemnation. Imagine if something like this was practiced by any of the Christian denominations that the Times finds so distasteful. Imagine.

It goes beyond the multi-culti. The Times and our other media have completely internalized their numbing fear of radical Islam. And why not, they report these barbarities as if they're "normal".

310 haakondahl  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:56:12am

CNN just showed clips of "Breaking News, Heavy fighting has broken out in Lebanon".

Except that the cameraman is obviously standing IN a group of men, some of whom are firing weapons INTO THE AIR. And smiling.

ON THE OTHER HAND, their reporter Mike (Tobin? Taupin?) just laid it RIGHT ON THE LINE--fingering Iran and Syria. Not bad!

311 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:56:13am

re: #294 tfc3rid

So it's all a John Kerry-Obama axis of conspiracy?

Wow, pass the Ketchup please...

Ketchup on waffles?

*shudder*

312 KSK  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:57:21am

I'm sorry to disagree with the NYT:

As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood. It makes no difference that, as Senator Obama has written, his father said he renounced his religion. Likewise, under Muslim law based on the Koran his mother’s Christian background is irrelevant.

Muslims believe every child is born with fitrah, including those in non-Muslim communities, and that without external influence, these children would come to worship Allah on their own. This means that every child is actually born Muslim and a hadith of Muhammad says that “Every child is born with the believing nature (al-fitra), it is his parents who make him into a Jew or a Christian.”

Obama would not be considered an apostate if he never received an Islamic education.

313 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:57:49am

re: #307 kansas

It will be modified by end of day.

Presumably, it's already in the print edition. Kind of hard to modify that.

314 Guy_Philly  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:57:55am

re: #144 zulubaby

Woman who saved 2,500 Warsaw Ghetto children dies at 98

She was nominated for a Nobel Prize in 2007 ... and who won it you ask?
Algore!

315 alegrias  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:57:58am

re: #241 jcm

Morning Lizards,

Has a wonderful Mother's day. 3 generations of Moms.

Found this gem in the Sunday Parade Magazine;


Ziggy baby, does Nov. 4, '79 ring any bells?

* * *
Carter administration slept through the worst attacks on our country, slept through the agony of our then-ally the Shah of Iran, and only woke up to send love notes to the Ayatollah and certify the mullahs' "election".

316 tfc3rid  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:58:06am

re: #311 MandyManners

Ketchup on waffles?

*shudder*

Obama though is steering clean of Chicken and Waffles... You know, because of how the typical white people will paint him...

317 annar  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:58:07am

re: #294 tfc3rid

So it's all a John Kerry-Obama axis of conspiracy?

Wow, pass the Ketchup please...

That's the real dream ticket, Obama-Kerry. 57 positions, real variety, on every issue.

318 Peacekeeper  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:58:43am

re: #293 loppyd

one word: unelectable

UN Electable!

319 Charles  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:59:20am

re: #239 lawhawk

Charles,

This is still Luttwak's opinion that Obama was born and raised Muslim, and later turned to Christianity (this is an op-ed, not a straight news story, though one would seriously hope that someone at the Times or elsewhere does a fact-check to verify the claims). The campaign will exploit this and claim that there's no truth to the matter asserted.

But even though standards at the Times have slipped drastically, I still don't think they'd publish such an op-ed if there were doubts about the factual claims it makes.

320 3 wood  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:59:22am

re: #285 ggt

do you remember which thread?

The Sunday afternoon open thread.

Of course, our favorite resident athiest Killgore started it, albeit unintentionally.

It started slow, then got fun. Get some popcorn and go read.

Like I say, top 10 material.

321 loppyd  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:59:33am

re: #256 Ojoe

There are 57 States in the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

There are 57 States in the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

There are 57 States in the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

Me thinks Barry has some 'splainin to do.

I just sent that tidbit to Michael Graham who was just playing the 57 states comments while I was in the car.

322 Iron Fist  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:59:51am

re: #262 ggt,

Pretty good. I can't complain. Nobody'd listen if I did :-)

How's life treating you?

323 jcm  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:59:52am

re: #315 alegrias

* * *
Carter administration slept through the worst attacks on our country, slept through the agony of our then-ally the Shah of Iran, and only woke up to send love notes to the Ayatollah and certify the mullahs' "election".

Carter slept...
BHO will put the keys under the door mat with a note on the window, "Keys under mat."

324 loppyd  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:00:07am

re: #318 Peacekeeper

UN Electable!

whaa

325 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:00:08am

re: #314 Guy_Philly

She was nominated for a Nobel Prize in 2007 ... and who won it you ask?
Algore!

Gag.

326 loppyd  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:00:35am

re: #316 tfc3rid

Good Morning!

You have mail....

327 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:00:37am

re: #308 3 wood

my hubby worked in a dry-cleaners. Can't stand piles of laundry.

328 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:00:48am

re: #305 MandyManners

So, where'd I get my love of it?

Evolution Intelligent Design Evolution Intelligent Design

329 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:00:51am

re: #316 tfc3rid

Obama though is steering clean of Chicken and Waffles... You know, because of how the typical white people will paint him...

Ain't too comfortable in his own skin.

330 Ma Sands  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:00:54am

re: #318 Peacekeeper

Keeping the peace, as always, I see.......

Cannot believe the fear, though, your statement has me battling with in my stomach.........that is the black and white of what I've had the concept of, even if Obama doesn't win the Presidency.....

331 coquimbojoe  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:01:07am

re: #288 haakondahl

Heinz has 57 varieties of sauce.

Heinz has 57 varieties of sauce.

Heinz has 57 varieties of sauce.

Maybe he was referring to Steve Martin old joke of 57 tits....

/Just sayin'

332 seekeroftruth  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:01:29am

re: #312 KSK

I'm sorry to disagree with the NYT:

Muslims believe every child is born with fitrah, including those in non-Muslim communities, and that without external influence, these children would come to worship Allah on their own. This means that every child is actually born Muslim and a hadith of Muhammad says that “Every child is born with the believing nature (al-fitra), it is his parents who make him into a Jew or a Christian.”

Obama would not be considered an apostate if he never received an Islamic education.

But he did : from his own website
[Link: www.barackobama.com...]

333 Peacekeeper  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:01:42am

re: #319 Charles

But even though standards at the Times have slipped drastically, I still don't think they'd publish such an op-ed if there were doubts about the factual claims it makes.

Something is going down. Could this be an opening shot in a new Clinton offensive?

334 jcm  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:01:53am

Huge China quake kills up to 5000

Hundreds of children also remained trapped in at least eight collapsed schools, reports said.

An estimated 3,000 to 5,000 people were killed in Beichuan county of mountainous Sichuan province alone after the 7.8 magnitude earthquake hit the region during the early afternoon today, Xinhua news agency said, citing the local government.

Early estimates, bound to go much higher.

335 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:02:03am

re: #328 Occasional Reader

Evolution Intelligent Design Evolution Intelligent Design

Giving me mental whip-lash!

336 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:02:04am

re: #317 annar

That's the real dream ticket, Obama-Kerry. 57 positions, real variety, on every issue.

That's an interesting running mate choice.

Of course, there's always two crooks for the price of one:

Obama-Kilpatrick '08 :-)

337 loppyd  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:02:07am

re: #302 tfc3rid

Of course he is... But he'll win Mass, right? He sure as hell will win here in NY... He will win, VT, ME, DE, RI, NJ, CT, PA, MD, DC, IA, WI, MI, MN, IL, WA, CA, OR...

Don't be so sure about ME , RI or PA.

338 haakondahl  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:02:16am

re: #321 loppyd

Me thinks Barry has some 'splainin to do.

I just sent that tidbit to Michael Graham who was just playing the 57 states comments while I was in the car.

Before we go all Vince Foster on this, he simply mis-spoke. I find it far more plausible that he simply meant 47, but said 57. That's fifty, minus the one he was about to visit, and the two his staff told him weren't worth visiting.

339 loppyd  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:02:46am

re: #333 Peacekeeper

Something is going down. Could this be an opening shot in a new Clinton offensive?

perhaps the NY Times is getting this out now so it is old news come November....

340 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:02:52am

re: #320 3 wood

I think I was there for a while. Going to open another window for it.

341 jcm  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:02:57am

re: #333 Peacekeeper

Something is going down. Could this be an opening shot in a new Clinton offensive?

I was waiting for the Clinton Spring Offensive, turn the Super Delegates and put LF and MI into play.

342 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:03:08am

re: #339 loppyd

perhaps the NY Times is getting this out now so it is old news come November....

That would be my bet.

343 alegrias  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:03:09am

re: #297 jcm

They certainly didn't do much thinking at all re: Iran.

* * *
1979 was also the year Saddam HUSSEIN took over Iraq.
While Carter slept at 3am, and sent congratulations the next day via Breszinski.

344 Peacekeeper  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:03:25am

re: #330 Ma Sands

So, I make your sick to your stomach. Could be worse...

345 3 wood  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:03:30am

re: #328 Occasional Reader

re: #305 MandyManners

So, where'd I get my love of it?

Evolution Intelligent Design Evolution Intelligent Design

God made her that way :)

346 vxbush  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:04:01am

re: #257 3 wood

Every Saturday I watch "How Clean is Your House?" on the BBC. After 10 minutes of watching that mess I start cleaning our kitchen and doing laundry. My wife loves it, she goes out shopping/for lunch and comes home to a spotless kitchen and clean/folded laundry.

I'm thinking of hiring myself out :)

I will pay you GOOD MONEY to work in my garage. :D

347 loppyd  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:04:06am

re: #338 haakondahl

Before we go all Vince Foster on this, he simply mis-spoke. I find it far more plausible that he simply meant 47, but said 57. That's fifty, minus the one he was about to visit, and the two his staff told him weren't worth visiting.

You're probably right, but I don't mind planting the seed of doubt in people's minds especially because the playing field is anything but level in this election.

348 coquimbojoe  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:04:21am

re: #314 Guy_Philly

She was nominated for a Nobel Prize in 2007 ... and who won it you ask?
Algore!

That just pisses me off. She was more deserving of it that algore will ever be. Gore is not worthy enough to wash her chones...

349 paxnhymn  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:04:51am

re: #223 3 wood

By the way, I just read the melt down by medura on the sunday open thread.

Wow.

That one goes into my top 10 list of all time irrational melt downs at LGF. It takes a special kind of crazy to go off like that.

not crazy...just being downright mean for the fun of it and enjoying the protection of anonymity.

350 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:04:57am

re: #337 loppyd

Don't be so sure about ME , RI or PA.

Or MI for that matter. Obama's been insulting voters there right and left. And then there's the little issue of the Dems starting to implode over Kwame Kilpatrick's indictment and Jennifer Granholm's poor performance.

IL should be a shoe-in for Obama with all the dead people voting in Cook County.

351 Ma Sands  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:05:03am

re: #344 Peacekeeper

No, not you yourself.....but I've had that thought for quite some time, and you are the one to put it to words......


(I do love you, yourself.... :)

352 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:05:06am

re: #273 lawhawk

Well, that would mean his foreign policy schedule has been a whole lot more rigorous than we've been giving him credit. 57 states in the OIS - that's a whole lot of countries to cover. /

58 if Obama's elected.

353 alegrias  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:05:20am

re: #321 loppyd

Me thinks Barry has some 'splainin to do.

I just sent that tidbit to Michael Graham who was just playing the 57 states comments while I was in the car.

* * *
That's 57 Nations of Islam, and we're the big prize fish they're hoping to hook.

354 3 wood  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:05:31am

re: #339 loppyd

perhaps the NY Times is getting this out now so it is old news come November....

Yep, that's my take.

I see the BoSox are 7 -3 in their last 10. Nice.

355 mj  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:05:52am

re: #312 KSK

I'm sorry to disagree with the NYT:


Muslims believe every child is born with fitrah, including those in non-Muslim communities, and that without external influence, these children would come to worship Allah on their own. This means that every child is actually born Muslim and a hadith of Muhammad says that “Every child is born with the believing nature (al-fitra), it is his parents who make him into a Jew or a Christian.”

Obama would not be considered an apostate if he never received an Islamic education.


Obama did receive an Islamic education:
[Link: www.danielpipes.org...]

356 KSK  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:06:04am

332 seeker of truth
Oh thank you. So he went to a Koran school reciting the Koran? Then the issue is getting more complicated.

357 jcm  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:06:10am

re: #349 paxnhymn

not crazy...just being downright mean for the fun of it and enjoying the protection of anonymity.

Link?
Did she get the stick?

358 loppyd  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:06:21am

re: #350 Honorary Yooper

Or MI for that matter. Obama's been insulting voters there right and left. And then there's the little issue of the Dems starting to implode over Kwame Kilpatrick's indictment and Jennifer Granholm's poor performance.

IL should be a shoe-in for Obama with all the dead people voting in Cook County.

If he loses PA and MI it is over.

359 coquimbojoe  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:06:25am

re: #341 jcm

I was waiting for the Clinton Spring Offensive, turn the Super Delegates and put LF and MI into play.

Something is definitely rotten here.... Who thought Hillary would just roll over though? The presidency is her right, nay her calling. She was made to tell us how to live our lives correctly...

360 3 wood  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:07:35am

re: #346 vxbush

I will pay you GOOD MONEY to work in my garage. :D

When I get back from vacation, I just may do that.

Mrs 3 wood and daughter #3 are busy doing their own stimulus package for the country, buying new outfits and shoes for the trip. Patton took less stuff across europe in 1944-45.

361 tfc3rid  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:07:38am

re: #326 loppyd

Good Morning!

You have mail....

You're awesome!

362 loppyd  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:07:44am

re: #354 3 wood

Yep, that's my take.

I see the BoSox are 7 -3 in their last 10. Nice.

It's been a good run.

They lost a tough one last night.
It was nice to see Alex Cora back in the lineup as opposed to Lugo, though.

363 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:07:53am

re: #312 KSK

I'm sorry to disagree with the NYT:


Take note, folks, this is an OPINION piece, not an EDITORIAL.

364 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:07:56am

re: #355 mj

Obama did receive an Islamic education:
[Link: www.danielpipes.org...]

And then he received an good old LIBERAL education at his commie mamma's knee and then from Haaaarvard. Yikes!

365 alegrias  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:07:59am

re: #303 scaramouche

Speaking of Heinz 57, the apostate's wife, Michelle, is just about the only would-be First Lady who could make one feel nostalgic for Tah-ray-zah Heinz 57 Kerry.

* * *
Tereza was apostate from her first Republican husband, to multi-culti wishy washy flippy floppy Monsieur JeanFrancoise!

No thanks, no nostalgia feelings here.

366 lawhawk  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:08:08am

re: #347 loppyd

You're probably right, but I don't mind planting the seed of doubt in people's minds especially because the playing field is anything but level in this election.

You've got Democrats harping on McCain's age as cause for concern whether he's up to the rigors of the job - and the demands are significant. Yet, Obama keeps making unforced errors - factual errors - during the campaign.

367 paxnhymn  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:08:13am

re: #230 Sharmuta

If he's truly an apostate, then he's an even bigger target to the islamists.


he won't be...if he makes it to a second term (the fact that he may fact it to a first is scating the shit outta me!) he'll have a "conversion experience"...That's why I call him the Caliphate Incognito.

He and her exude hate...ripe for isslumic pickin'...

368 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:08:28am

re: #322 Iron Fist

hangin' in there. Thanks for asking.

Oh, and, I'm doing laundry.

369 alegrias  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:08:59am

re: #356 KSK

332 seeker of truth
Oh thank you. So he went to a Koran school reciting the Koran? Then the issue is getting more complicated.

* * *
Indonesian madrassah, we've known about this.

370 Cygnus  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:09:14am

re: #293 loppyd

one word: unelectable

Global Community electable. He'd be a good sidekick for Carpathia.

371 Widow'smight  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:09:15am

re: #341 jcm

LF must be one of those extree states Oblamo is talking about.

372 vxbush  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:09:21am

re: #360 3 wood

When I get back from vacation, I just may do that.

Mrs 3 wood and daughter #3 are busy doing their own stimulus package for the country, buying new outfits and shoes for the trip. Patton took less stuff across europe in 1944-45.

And it is their RIGHT to look fantastic while traveling! :D

373 Peacekeeper  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:09:29am

Clinton is still running, and it can't be because she wants to humiliate herself. She's like a movie zombie: she's been bludgeoned, burned, stabbed, shot and run over, but as soon as Obama bends down to check on her, you just know she is gonna grab him by the neck.

374 jcm  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:09:39am

re: #359 coquimbojoe

Something is definitely rotten here.... Who thought Hillary would just roll over though? The presidency is her right, nay her calling. She was made to tell us how to live our lives correctly...

Bill and Hill have been plotting a long time, they will not go gently.

375 seekeroftruth  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:09:55am

re: #356 KSK

332 seeker of truth
Oh thank you. So he went to a Koran school reciting the Koran? Then the issue is getting more complicated.

It sure is. MJ #355 has another good link as well.

376 wahabicorridor  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:09:58am

re: #319 Charles

I still don't think they'd publish such an op-ed if there were doubts about the factual claims it makes.

CHARLES! Such gullibility from YOU!? They published an entire smear piece about McCain's supposed adultery and tried to spin it as an improper lobbying piece.

Brian Williams noted no long ago that he really couldn't figure out the reader demographic the NYT is aiming for.

It's obvious. Themselves. These people are insular beyond belief.

377 Kenneth  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:10:36am

re: #151 galloping granny

Obama wrote very clearly that it was 20 years ago, at the age of 27, that he was "introduced" to Christianity by Rev. J. Wright.

The apostasy charge still stands.

378 Cygnus  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:10:39am

re: #314 Guy_Philly

She was nominated for a Nobel Prize in 2007 ... and who won it you ask?
Algore!

She's received her reward in Heaven, which is waaay better.

379 jcm  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:10:45am

re: #371 Widow'smight

LF must be one of those extree states Oblamo is talking about.

LOL!

Dyslexia sucks! Right hand typing out of turn....

FL!

380 loppyd  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:10:48am

re: #361 tfc3rid

You're awesome!

I try. LOL

Seriously, if I think of anything else I will let you know.

If you end up in the Beacon Hill area, say hi to my old hood.

381 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:11:03am
382 3 wood  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:11:05am

re: #349 paxnhymn

not crazy...just being downright mean for the fun of it and enjoying the protection of anonymity.

I guess it's a matter of personal evaluation whether she was "mean" or "crazy". I think you have got to be nuts to go off like that for that many posts, but whatever.

383 paxnhymn  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:11:48am

re: #357 jcm

Link?
Did she get the stick?


Aw Hell, JCM, look at all of her posts on the thread! WHACK! man, totally WHACK! I wasn't in the fray, so I just seached all of her entries on that thread..

384 tfc3rid  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:12:00am

re: #373 Peacekeeper

Clinton is still running, and it can't be because she wants to humiliate herself. She's like a movie zombie: she's been bludgeoned, burned, stabbed, shot and run over, but as soon as Obama bends down to check on her, you just know she is gonna grab him by the neck.

'It's just a flesh wound!'

385 Cygnus  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:12:03am

re: #328 Occasional Reader

Evolution Intelligent Design Evolution Intelligent Design

Interbreeding with aliens.

386 haakondahl  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:12:32am

re: #373 Peacekeeper

Clinton is still running, and it can't be because she wants to humiliate herself. She's like a movie zombie: she's been bludgeoned, burned, stabbed, shot and run over, but as soon as Obama bends down to check on her, you just know she is gonna grab him by the neck.

Her campaign needs look no further than John McCain's once-dead-and-buried campaign for justification.

387 Amillennialist  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:12:48am

Three quick points:

1) The Times will have to bury this. How'd it get past their editors?

2) In Indonesia, public schools are Muslim. I read that Obama studied Qur'an and learned to recite the fundamental Islamic prayer in Arabic with proper accent.

3) The reason Muslim governments are unable to resist their religious authorities' impulse to slaughter apostates is because such punishment is demanded by Mohammed:

"Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him" (Bukhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57).

But Jesus said, "Love your enemies."

So much for those moral relativists (including President Bush) who want to equate Islam with Christianity.

388 Cygnus  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:13:09am

re: #334 jcm

Huge China quake kills up to 5000

Early estimates, bound to go much higher.

This is shaping up to be a really bad month.

389 tfc3rid  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:13:19am

re: #380 loppyd

I try. LOL

Seriously, if I think of anything else I will let you know.

If you end up in the Beacon Hill area, say hi to my old hood.

Will do! When I had gone in the past I never really did any tourist-y kind of things... We stayed near Harvard and hung out wityh firends who mainly went to college parties and bars...

390 jcm  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:13:22am

re: #383 paxnhymn

Aw Hell, JCM, look at all of her posts on the thread! WHACK! man, totally WHACK! I wasn't in the fray, so I just seached all of her entries on that thread..

Which thread? I was off line most of the weekend.

391 paxnhymn  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:13:37am

re: #382 3 wood

I guess it's a matter of personal evaluation whether she was "mean" or "crazy". I think you have got to be nuts to go off like that for that many posts, but whatever.


yeah, maybe a lot of BOTH!

392 3 wood  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:14:12am

re: #372 vxbush

And it is their RIGHT to look fantastic while traveling! :D


Yes, but they are going to buys some stuff while we are there too.

Oh well, my role in life is to make the money and carry the packages.

393 tfc3rid  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:14:24am

re: #381 buzzsawmonkey

Did they take phone calls while that slime bucket was on?

394 coquimbojoe  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:14:30am

re: #374 jcm

Bill and Hill have been plotting a long time, they will not go gently.

Shakespear in the morning... Love it.

395 alegrias  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:14:41am

re: #376 wahabicorridor

CHARLES! Such gullibility from YOU!? They published an entire smear piece about McCain's supposed adultery and tried to spin it as an improper lobbying piece.

Brian Williams noted no long ago that he really couldn't figure out the reader demographic the NYT is aiming for.

It's obvious. Themselves. These people are insular beyond belief.

* * *
W. Corridor--the NYT was for McCain before they were against him! Whatever means serves their ends...

396 fpxr  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:14:46am
397 Amillennialist  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:14:54am
398 Russkilitlover  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:14:58am

re: #6 Occasional Reader

I agree, this is a flying pig moment. I'm stunned the NYT would print this opinion piece.

I'm very tardy to this discussion - dang morning meetings! But I would suspect that the opinion writer is a Clinton pal. They have not yet begun to fight.

399 jcm  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:15:02am

re: #388 Cygnus

This is shaping up to be a really bad month.

Between the style of the construction. The location. And the inability of centralized governments ability to respond to things not in the Five Year Plan, this will be another bad one.

400 tfc3rid  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:15:05am

re: #392 3 wood

Yes, but they are going to buys some stuff while we are there too.

Oh well, my role in life is to make the money and carry the packages.

And of course, remember, only 1 checked bag is free now on airlines!

401 Teacake!  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:15:13am

My first thought about this when it first came out was he will without a doubt build a mosque on the white house grounds just to be multi-cultural, of course.

402 Kenneth  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:15:25am

re: #141 haakondahl

The scene is from "The Downfall" with Bruno Ganz as Hitler.

403 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:15:28am

re: #392 3 wood

Yes, but they are going to buys some stuff while we are there too.

Oh well, my role in life is to make the money and carry the packages.

If you were really good at making the money, you would be able to hire someone to carry the packages.

404 Widow'smight  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:15:44am

re: #379 jcm

Taking the dog for a walk in the Cold and Rain, I might get some of that Dickslessiya. Don't mind when the Bride causes it though.

Have a good day Mon

405 tfc3rid  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:16:17am

re: #401 Teacake!

My first thought about this when it first came out was he will without a doubt build a mosque on the white house grounds just to be multi-cultural, of course.

Footbaths!

406 paxnhymn  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:16:53am

re: #390 jcm

Which thread? I was off line most of the weekend.


Sunday Afternoon open, even though it did get snarly a lil bit on some others...

407 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:16:57am
408 tfc3rid  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:17:14am

re: #407 buzzsawmonkey

No. Just an interview.

Too bad...

409 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:17:36am

re: #339 loppyd

perhaps the NY Times is getting this out now so it is old news come November....

DING! DING! DING!

410 debutaunt  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:18:35am

re: #123 WriterMom

OHMYGAWD

This is one of the funniest things I have EVAH seen.

*warning* BAD BAD LANGUAGE

HAHAHAhAHAHAAHAHA

"God f*** you all!"

411 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:19:30am
412 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:19:41am

re: #339 loppyd

perhaps the NY Times is getting this out now so it is old news come November....

Wouldn't want any Ramadan surprise.

/oops

413 loppyd  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:19:53am

re: #366 lawhawk

You've got Democrats harping on McCain's age as cause for concern whether he's up to the rigors of the job - and the demands are significant. Yet, Obama keeps making unforced errors - factual errors - during the campaign.

Chris Matthews et al screaming "race" at any criticism. You should have heard him this morning talking about Hillary's comment about hard working white people.....

414 tfc3rid  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:20:03am

re: #412 Ward Cleaver

Wouldn't want any Ramadan surprise.

/oops

To Reeducation Camp with you!

415 paxnhymn  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:20:08am

re: #408 tfc3rid

Too bad...


Hell, you knew they weren't gonna ask Soros phone questions; when is the last time you've seen libs take unscripted questions, except for maybe Al Franken, and I think everyone just wants to see his head explode?...

416 haakondahl  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:20:54am

re: #402 Kenneth

The scene is from "The Downfall" with Bruno Ganz as Hitler.

Ah, good catch. Hitler was never depicted in Patton.

417 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:20:57am

re: #360 3 wood

When I get back from vacation, I just may do that.

Mrs 3 wood and daughter #3 are busy doing their own stimulus package for the country, buying new outfits and shoes for the trip. Patton took less stuff across europe in 1944-45.

Saving the economy, one fitting-room at a time. (It's hard work but somebody's gotta' do it.)

418 alegrias  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:21:07am

re: #388 Cygnus

This is shaping up to be a really bad month.

* * *
We're learning a lot about life:

--Mugabe letting his people starve.

--Burmese generals letting their citizens die while they slap "With Love from Your Generals" on food aid.

--how shoddy is Chinese construction during an earthquake

--how some Americans want this kind of top-down leadership for their country.

419 jcm  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:21:28am

re: #406 paxnhymn

Sunday Afternoon open, even though it did get snarly a lil bit on some others...

Damn....

420 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:21:45am

re: #363 Occasional Reader

Take note, folks, this is an OPINION piece, not an EDITORIAL.

Plausible deniability.

421 TalkinKamel  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:21:50am

Just took a look at medaura's meltdown, which some other lizards have mentioned. Man!

I've always thought that medaura was: 1. Unbalanced, 2. Not really a Jew and 3. Actually a shill for Islam, despite all protests to the contrary. I hope she/he/it/they is gone.

422 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:22:07am
423 tfc3rid  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:22:18am

re: #415 paxnhymn

Ok, fair point... But when GOP'ers or Conservatives don't take questions, it's because they are 'secretive' and 'have something to hide'.

424 vxbush  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:22:40am

re: #392 3 wood

Yes, but they are going to buys some stuff while we are there too.

Oh well, my role in life is to make the money and carry the packages.

Yes, and you do it very well, sir.

425 jcm  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:22:45am

re: #418 alegrias

* * *
We're learning a lot about life:

--Mugabe letting his people starve.

--Burmese generals letting their citizens die while they slap "With Love from Your Generals" on food aid.

--how shoddy is Chinese construction during an earthquake

--how some Americans want this kind of top-down leadership for their country.

But they'll take care of us...
THEY PROMISED!
/

426 alegrias  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:22:51am

re: #398 Russkilitlover

I'm very tardy to this discussion - dang morning meetings! But I would suspect that the opinion writer is a Clinton pal. They have not yet begun to fight.

* * *
Disagree. I met Luttwak, spoke Spanish with him, in a decidedly NON-Clinton circle. Though I could be wrong.

427 Ma Sands  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:23:24am

re: #388 Cygnus

re: #334 jcm
Huge China quake kills up to 5000
Hundreds of children also remained trapped in at least eight collapsed schools, reports said.

An estimated 3,000 to 5,000 people were killed in Beichuan county of mountainous Sichuan province alone after the 7.8 magnitude earthquake hit the region during the early afternoon today, Xinhua news agency said, citing the local government.

Early estimates, bound to go much higher.


This is shaping up to be a really bad month.


Yes.....the earth is still groaning in birth pangs.......and its people aren't helping much.....

428 paxnhymn  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:24:00am

re: #423 tfc3rid

Ok, fair point... But when GOP'ers or Conservatives don't take questions, it's because they are 'secretive' and 'have something to hide'.

that's because the double standard IS the standard and we'd better not forget it!

:-P

429 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:24:12am

re: #381 buzzsawmonkey

OT

NPR had everybody's favorite America-hating billionaire, George Soros, on this morning. The interview was fascinating, as the interviewer attempted--several times--to get Soros to paint an even more gloomy picture of the US economy than Soros was willing to do.

In the end, in some masterful double-talk, Soros really did not paint that bad a picture, though it still appeared worse both because of the way he phrased things and by the groundwork laid by the interviewer.

The big howler, however, was that Soros was arguing for more regulation of the economy, on the grounds that markets "don't always know what's right," and "make mistakes." Conceding that regulators too make mistakes, being human, he nonetheless came down on the side of more regulation rather than trusting the market itself.

What he--and, of course, the interviewer--energetically glossed over is that nobody has ever claimed that markets don't make mistakes. The thing about markets, however, is that they are self-correcting--while regulations are not. Yes, the housing market went overboard over the last few years--but it will recover through self-imposed correction. If regulations are imposed, it will take special effort to remove them even if they are harmful, or even after they have accomplished what they are intended to accomplish and are no longer needed.

Soros probably wants increased regulation of the economy because regulators are more easily manipulated, and more predictable, than unregulated markets--and therefore easier to game.

It's hard to black-mail the Hidden Hand.

430 MandyManners  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:24:45am

re: #384 tfc3rid

'It's just a flesh wound!'

ROFLMAO!

431 Cygnus  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:25:24am

re: #427 Ma Sands

Yes.....the earth is still groaning in birth pangs.......and its people aren't helping much.....

The earth needs an epidural right about now.

432 paxnhymn  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:26:16am

re: #429 MandyManners

I guess when all of this is over Soros thinks Obamessiah is gonna make him the prolitareate president of the USSAR...

433 tfc3rid  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:26:21am

re: #431 Cygnus

The earth needs an epidural right about now.

As well as an enema...

434 kansas  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:26:38am

re: #313 Occasional Reader

Presumably, it's already in the print edition. Kind of hard to modify that.

Maybe hard to modify but easy to forget. Jedi Master "You saw nothing."

435 BGOH  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:27:11am

I've given the comments here a cursory glance, and I haven't seen this question asked, so please forgive me if I missed it.

I have to ask, what is the thesis of this opinion piece? Is it that Obama is unfit to be president? Is it an official renunciation of the NYT's endorsement of Obama? I ask this, because there is absolutely no conclusion to the piece. It just kind of ends with the vague statement that this may be a problem. May be a problem? If the NYT can't make a more definitive statement than that, then they are actively ignoring everything the Mohamedans have been saying for centuries. But, we already knew that, didn't we?

436 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:28:45am

re: #320 3 wood

I was on that thread. I noticed she never really replied to me.

I told her her new social system needed more names to be effective.

Seems the longer the post, the more irrational.

437 debutaunt  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:29:04am

re: #195 tfc3rid

I don't think for a decond it is a landslide...

Looking at stat epolls and the electoral college, the worst thing you can think of is that it will be a landslide... Obama is guaranteed about 250 Electoral Votes... That's pretty damn close to winning the White House...

Is a decond 10 seconds?

438 jcm  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:29:04am

re: #427 Ma Sands

Yes.....the earth is still groaning in birth pangs.......and its people aren't helping much.....

As bad as the disasters are.
They are exacerbated by the inherent in efficiencies in centralized governments.

439 Ben Hur  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:29:39am

Fairfax Cop Who Tipped Terror Suspect Helped Kill Training Program

A Fairfax County Police sergeant who admits tipping off a terrorism suspect that he was under FBI surveillance also helped kill what had been a successful intelligence and terrorism-related training program within his police department.

Sgt. Weiss Rasool was sentenced to two years probation on April 22 after pleading guilty to illegally accessing a police database to run license tag numbers for a friend who thought he was being followed. Those tags traced back to FBI agents who had Rasool's acquaintance under surveillance as part of a terrorism investigation.

The Washington Post reported that Rasool cried during his sentencing and apologized for what he called "errors of judgment. But I never intended to put anybody's life at risk." The Post further reported:

"The target was arrested in November 2005, then convicted and deported, according to court filings in Rasool's case. Assistant U.S. Attorney Jeanine Linehan said that the target and his family were already dressed and destroying evidence at 6 a.m. when agents arrived to make the arrest, indicating that they had been tipped off."

440 ggt  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:29:54am

Dang, I go downthread to catch-up on some moby hunt and you guys just keep on goin' and goin'.

Whad I miss?

441 alegrias  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:30:38am

re: #432 paxnhymn

I guess when all of this is over Soros thinks Obamessiah is gonna make him the prolitareate president of the USSAR...

* * *
You'd think Hungarian Soros would not want communists taking over his new country, like they did his old country.

But Carter's advisor Brezinski didn't seem to mind Polish hardline communists taking Poland his birth country further down that road.

Brezinski could do business with hardline General Jarulzelski, while wily Reagan had the brains to work with Polish Pope John Paul to undermine communism.

In the fight against totalitarians, the score was Eggheads-0, state college kid Reagan-1

442 tfc3rid  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:30:50am

re: #437 debutaunt

Is a decond 10 seconds?

I have an issue with remembering that Preview is my friend...as well as spell check!

I never know when my office IT Department will block LGF... They block almost everything else... They even block online photo galleries...

443 itellu3times  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:30:54am

re: #140 Dhimmisum

I think I had read at Jihad Watch that Robert Spencer was of the opinion that Obama would not be considered an apostate because of the age that he converted to Christianity...something about if the conversion takes place before puberty then no apostasy has taken place....will see if I can find this...

So I'm guessing you don't have to kill him immediately, you probably have to ask him politely first, and then kill him if he refuses.

444 Kenneth  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:31:28am

Obama is right, there really are 57 states,

... in the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

Vote Obama, and help make it 58!

445 tfc3rid  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:31:59am

Obama! 58 in '08!

446 Roger  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:32:04am

re: #443 itellu3times

So I'm guessing you don't have to kill him immediately, you probably have to ask him politely first, and then kill him if he refuses.

They won't need to...

447 alegrias  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:33:50am

re: #445 tfc3rid

Obama! 58 in '08!

* * *
That's McCain's Naval Academy class motto: '58 is Great!

448 reggie  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:34:05am

Perhaps this is what Hillary's people (Wolfson?) referred to a couple of weeks ago as there being an October Surprise in Barry's future

449 maddogg  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:34:33am

re: #373 Peacekeeper

Clinton is still running, and it can't be because she wants to humiliate herself. She's like a movie zombie: she's been bludgeoned, burned, stabbed, shot and run over, but as soon as Obama bends down to check on her, you just know she is gonna grab him by the neck.


The neck, you say?

450 venezuela lover  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:34:44am

re: #284 jcm

Hell of a slip of the tongue.

Can we conclude that Obama has studied the 57 States of the Islamic Conference? Do Obama's loyalties lie outside the United States?

I would give anything for MSM to pick up on this slip.

451 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:34:45am

re: #442 tfc3rid

I have an issue with remembering that Preview is my friend...as well as spell check!

I never know when my office IT Department will block LGF... They block almost everything else... They even block online photo galleries...

We block nothing. I could get pron if I wanted (but I don't).

But if they ever try to block LGF, I'll insist they also block Kos, and listen to the wails from the local moonbats.

452 loppyd  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:34:54am

re: #389 tfc3rid

Will do! When I had gone in the past I never really did any tourist-y kind of things... We stayed near Harvard and hung out wityh firends who mainly went to college parties and bars...

Make sure you take a picture of the new banner at Fenway! :)

453 Ma Sands  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:35:10am

re: #438 jcm

As well as the condition of the hearts of those at the head of those governments.....

454 akarra  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:35:26am

I haven't read all the comments (just skimmed the first 100 or so), but I'm curious to hear opinions on why the NYT is so inconsistent on this issue. I do realize that they can say "well, we print opinions we disagree with," but if an editorial board really feels that bringing up the Muslim issue is too crude and divisive, why can't they stand their ground?

It is possible to use the logic of comments #8, 16 & 40 and argue that the Muslim issue should be irrelevant, even if to the rest of the world it isn't. Of course, such a position would be consistent with the Bush administration's larger goal in the War on Terror, where violent factions shouldn't be allowed to destroy democracy worldwide using cries of being victims of oppression as an excuse...

455 tfc3rid  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:35:58am

re: #451 Kosh's Shadow

We block nothing. I could get pron if I wanted (but I don't).

But if they ever try to block LGF, I'll insist they also block Kos, and listen to the wails from the local moonbats.

Our folks here are bad... They block entertainment sites, sports sites, etc... Too much control is never a good thing...

456 tfc3rid  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:36:14am

re: #452 loppyd

Make sure you take a picture of the new banner at Fenway! :)

Just for you babe!

457 loppyd  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:36:36am

re: #451 Kosh's Shadow

We block nothing. I could get pron if I wanted (but I don't).

But if they ever try to block LGF, I'll insist they also block Kos, and listen to the wails from the local moonbats.

Me too. And someone did surf pr0n on my pc a few years ago. He is now called Pr0n Man.

EEEWWWWW!

458 jcm  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:36:45am

re: #453 Ma Sands

As well as the condition of the hearts of those at the head of those governments.....

What hearts?

Very, very true, the root source...

459 coquimbojoe  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:37:43am

re: #439 Ben Hur

Fairfax Cop Who Tipped Terror Suspect Helped Kill Training Program

Why is this not treason?

460 loppyd  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:38:37am

re: #439 Ben Hur

Fairfax Cop Who Tipped Terror Suspect Helped Kill Training Program

I thought that only happened in the Boston FBI office.

461 tfc3rid  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:38:41am

re: #457 loppyd

I was streaming local news radio a few weeks ago and received a telephone warning...

They have a big flat screen in IT that shows network use and who is looking at what... they've hired one person for that task and only that task...

462 wanumba  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:40:38am
Obama’s stepfather worked for a U.S. oil company, and sent his stepson to two years of Catholic school, as well as two years of public school. As Obama described it, “Without the money to go to the international school that most expatriate children attended, I went to local Indonesian schools and ran the streets with the children of farmers, servants, tailors, and clerks.”


Snif. Violins anyone?
Anyone lately take a look at the PRICE of the "international school that most expatriate children attended?"
Damn straight his pappy couldn't afford it. ALL those expats can't afford it either, so the oil companies and the US Embassy pay 100% of the tuition on their behalf. Jakarta International School is a scandal in itself for the prices it charges the US taxpayer to pay for the educations of the dependents of the State Department and all USG employees. Go look it up - click on tuition and fees. They used to demand a $20,000 bond from each family as part of enrollment. And remember when you see the price tag, that it's just a day school, not boarding and don't forget to add in the one time "building fund fee."
Doesn't say what kind of job Obama's step father had, but if he worked for an oil company of the US variety, he would have had benefits other employers in Indonesia don't give. Thus, he would have had the income to afford a number of other schools of good quality, the ones that the better local families sent their kids to.

Can my kids wail along with Obama about how deprived they were, too? We couldn't afford the "international school that most expat children attended" either. For a lot longer time than Obama endured. Those Catholic and local schools are MUCH tougher than the US public or overseas schools system. Proof: Obama's education leveraged him finally into Harvard.
The guy is scraping around trying to create the "po' me" credentials he don't have.

463 sparrowlake  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:41:24am

As a non-Christian I have seen numerous comments and blogs questioning whether Obama is a Muslim or a Christian. If Obama was born to a non-practising atheistic Muslim-born father, I understand that according to Islamic Law he was nonetheless born a Muslim. I also understand that the fact that he was born to an apparently non-practising Christian mother did not make him Christian according to Christianity. If this is correct, then how could it possibly be true that Obama was never a Muslim? On this point Obama seems to have told a bald-faced lie.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1209627 051220&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

On the other hand, if as is reported Obama walked down the aisle in TUC and publicly knelt before the cross and declared that he submitted his will to Jesus Christ, did that act not suffice to convert Obama to Christianity? If so, then why is there any question as to whether Obama is now a Christian?
http://www.getreligion.org/?p=2502

Is it possible that Obama's clearly false denial of his previous Muslim faith was shrewdly calculated to enhance both his political popularity and his personal safety?

464 loppyd  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:41:28am

re: #461 tfc3rid

I was streaming local news radio a few weeks ago and received a telephone warning...

They have a big flat screen in IT that shows network use and who is looking at what... they've hired one person for that task and only that task...

Big Brother....

I would have been fired years ago!

My last job was that way. I was convinced I was being watched at all times.

465 tfc3rid  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:43:31am

re: #464 loppyd

Big Brother....

I would have been fired years ago!

My last job was that way. I was convinced I was being watched at all times.

I mean, I understand them wanting to watch because yes, we're supposed to be working... However, seriously, they can't get us new computers because they burst their budget buying these tools to watch our every action...

I haven't had a computer upgrade in 6 years... And we aren't allowed laptops because they don't want us loading any of our own software on them...

466 Charles  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:43:40am

I predict that even if the Islamic world does see Obama as an apostate, if he's elected president it will not be an issue.

Those Islamic prohibitions against apostasy are remarkably flexible when it comes to powerful people, and the sense of power his election would give the Islamic world would vastly outweigh the apostasy factor.

Forecast: no seething at all.

467 tfc3rid  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:44:32am

re: #466 Charles

I agree with you Charles... I cannot see the Islamic World having a seethe-a-palooza over him... I think they would be enthralled... They would see a clear conduit to power...

468 Sarr  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:44:41am

There is a problem with Baracks muslim birth as evident by the Obama camp or they would not constantly repeat, time after time, along with the media, that the Obamas had their children BAPTIZED. Does anyone know how Muslim law punished the ones who have their children converted?

469 debutaunt  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:47:23am

re: #256 Ojoe

There are 57 States in the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

There are 57 States in the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

There are 57 States in the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

WOW!

470 chemicalcorpse  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:48:04am

Off topic; anyone know if the junta leadership in Myanmar (sp?) is Muslim?

The southern provinces have been in a state of rebellion for over a decade; payback is the bitch of a cyclone...

Could explain the reluctance for foreign aid... let the problem children die.

471 venezuela lover  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:49:03am

re: #466 Charles

I predict that even if the Islamic world does see Obama as an apostate, if he's elected president it will not be an issue.

Those Islamic prohibitions against apostasy are remarkably flexible when it comes to powerful people, and the sense of power his election would give the Islamic world would vastly outweigh the apostasy factor.

Forecast: no seething at all.

Exactly. Yassir Arafat way a gay child molestor but Islam was remarkably flexible by looking the other way and not beheading him.

Now if Obama loses the election, he might just lose his head.

472 SagamoreGal  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:50:19am

#48 -Peacekeeper

"If Obama gave the word, at least half the women in the Democrat party would put on Bhurkas tomorrow. That's real power. Scary real."

Now, if he'd just give the word for the other half to pay a visit to their local "clitorectory" clinic, the world would be a better place in a generation or two.

473 Ojoe  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:50:45am

re: #467 tfc3rid

I am beginning to think of Obama as the ultimate sleeper.

474 Kenneth  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:51:01am

re: #466 Charles

Is Obama an apostate or a taqiyya Muslim? The answer to that question may explain the lack of seething.

475 tfc3rid  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:53:33am

re: #473 Ojoe

I am beginning to think of Obama as the ultimate sleeper.

I'm not completely convinced of that at this point but I do think he would be a huge benefit for Islamic nations and lobbyist groups if he were to, God forbid, come to power...

476 Kenneth  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:53:35am

re: #470 chemicalcorpse

No. The Myanmar junta are Communists with strong connections to China.

477 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:55:21am

re: #466 Charles

I predict that even if the Islamic world does see Obama as an apostate, if he's elected president it will not be an issue.

Those Islamic prohibitions against apostasy are remarkably flexible when it comes to powerful people, and the sense of power his election would give the Islamic world would vastly outweigh the apostasy factor.

Forecast: no seething at all.

Won't Barack Obama being a Muslim, actually be really good for relations, peace talks and all?
Isn't it more likely Iran will listen to our concerns and all?

/moonbat

478 venezuela lover  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:55:45am

re: #472 SagamoreGal

#48 -Peacekeeper

"If Obama gave the word, at least half the women in the Democrat party would put on Bhurkas tomorrow. That's real power. Scary real."

Now, if he'd just give the word for the other half to pay a visit to their local "clitorectory" clinic, the world would be a better place in a generation or two.

Don't worry.
Michelle Obama ain't gonna let it happen to her. I would love to record Michelle's response the day Barack tells her to be circumcised and put on a full black bhurka. The Universal Unabridged Ebonics Dictionary would be expanded by a few pages of new words.

479 sparrowlake  Mon, May 12, 2008 9:59:40am

re: #466 Charles

I predict that even if the Islamic world does see Obama as an apostate, if he's elected president it will not be an issue.

Those Islamic prohibitions against apostasy are remarkably flexible when it comes to powerful people, and the sense of power his election would give the Islamic world would vastly outweigh the apostasy factor.

Forecast: no seething at all.

I think you're at least half right.
No seething from those wishing to deal with the U.S.
Lots of seething from those who look for excuses not to.

480 wanumba  Mon, May 12, 2008 10:03:52am
To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago.


How correct is THAT? What happened to Trinity United?
This is closer to the truth:
Obama is a committed Wrightist who attends the United Cult of Wright in Chicago.

Jesus isn't represented at United Trinity: He came as a Jew, a Semite. UT portrays some black dude on the stained glass windows. Wright in his thinner days, perhaps?

481 KSK  Mon, May 12, 2008 10:09:41am

I also think it would be a non issue. Muslims are often wild fanatics but can be astonishingly pragmatic when it serves their purposes.
Also I think the idea that Obama is unelectable because Islamic fanatics would try to kill him is a non issue.
Any U.S. President who Muslim fanatics DON'T want to kill would be a worrysome President.
The real issue is Obama's dancing around his past. And tons of other things, of course.
I'm still glad not having to vote in these elections.
I would have nominated John Bolton.

482 Ezekiel2517  Mon, May 12, 2008 10:18:40am

Please quote any public renouncement of Islam which BHO has ever made. Calling himself a Christian does not mean he has ever repudiated Islam.

Keep in mind the overwhelming support for BHO from American muslims. If he were a true apostate they would be calling for his head, not campaigning for him in mosques.

Regardless of whether BHO is a muslim in his heart, he has never become an apostate by the Islamic definition.

483 vagabond trader  Mon, May 12, 2008 10:18:53am

Whether Obama is and or was a Muslim is beside the point. It's whether he lied about it, and apparently he did. Whatever flavor of Christianity he now practices, Muslim law states he is considered a Muslim for life by other Muslims.The only analogy I can think of is a person born to a Jewish mother. Doesn't matter if you practice Judaism or not, you are still a Jew for life.

One thing for certain, the guy is a serial liar.

484 Maine's Michael  Mon, May 12, 2008 10:26:02am
To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim (not that there's anything wrong with it) , and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago.

I fixed their older press release. Makes it more palatable to liberal New Yorkers.

485 faraway  Mon, May 12, 2008 10:26:07am

Maybe now the NYT can use their intellectual curiosity to unearth the reason Obama made a secret 3 week trip to Pakistan in 1981. (Most of us kids of single parent families went to the beach for summer college break)

Also, they can help us understand why, after the trip, he stopped referring to himslef as "Barry" and he started fasting on Sundays.

Must have been an earth-shattering experience for him.

486 Maine's Michael  Mon, May 12, 2008 10:28:57am
To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim,
487 Ojoe  Mon, May 12, 2008 10:32:20am

re: #485 faraway

sleeper

488 Maine's Michael  Mon, May 12, 2008 10:33:14am
To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, has never seen or smelled a muslim, has never even heard of Muslims, in fact, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago.

Modified to appeal to bitter gun owners.

/targeted marketing. I am available to the Obama campaign. Leave a message here at LGF, and I'll get back to ya.

489 American Soldier  Mon, May 12, 2008 10:35:55am
I raised this issue back on February 11, just for the record.


And it would be really, really nice if the NYT contributed to my tip jar..........

Tuesday, January 29, 2008
The man’s upbringing is a binary choice. Sen. Obama’s father was a moslem. His step-father is a moslem. Obama attended a moslem parochial school in a predominantly moslem country, for whatever length of time. His Kenyan siblings and cousins appear to be moslems. By what we know of sharia law, that pretty much makes Mr. Obama a moslem. This fact is repeated frequently, worldwide, by moslem clergy and laity. If Sen. Obama became a Christian, of whatever denomination, that makes him a moslem apostate, free to be murdered at will by any practicing moslem; this little bit of sharia is also frequently repeated and defended by moslem clergy and laity worldwide.
Must all be quite the major headache for the Secret Service. Does the islamic world want to kill the man, or are they just waiting for him to come out of the closet?
490 annar  Mon, May 12, 2008 10:37:22am

re: #422 buzzsawmonkey

Truman added the second-story balcony (a very Kansas City feature) to the White House, despite howls of outrage.

Maybe the White House will become the Western Taj Mahal, with a dome over the center and four minarets at the corners.

Of course, the Taj was Shah Jehan's tomb in memory of his beautiful wife. A White House "Taj" will simply become a tomb in memory of the American Republic.

On each side of the Taj is a mosque, only one of which is "consecrated" so some other adjustments will have to be made in addition to the minarets.

I've visited Agra twice and can say that no picture can truly represent the beauty of the Taj Mahal.

491 Maine's Michael  Mon, May 12, 2008 10:38:18am
To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago. He was even voted 'least likely to be a muslim' in his Senior High School Year Book.

Appeal to Vocational School/Technical college voters.

492 Maine's Michael  Mon, May 12, 2008 10:40:01am

To be clear, Senator O'bama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian whiskey drinker who attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago.

Irish vote.

493 Maine's Michael  Mon, May 12, 2008 10:41:37am

To be clear, Senator Obamawitz has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian, who since his Bar Mitzvah, has attended Beth Israel Congregation in Chicago.

494 FoolsMate  Mon, May 12, 2008 10:43:43am

re: #56 galloping granny

You can say that easily enough if you want to, but while you are doing so you might consider the fact that Barack Hussein Obama has raised many millions more than Hillary, most of it in small donations. Anyone in the entire world can go to Obama's website and donate money to his campaign. And as long as the donation is under $200, it essentially gets chalked up as "petty cash." Do you really think all those donations he's getting are coming from the US?

Yes, I think they are primarily from the US. I certainly don't think the Obama camp is systematically, knowingly accepting donations from foreign nationals. Is there any real evidence a substantial amount of money is coming from foreign sources in sub $200 increments?

495 annar  Mon, May 12, 2008 10:44:58am

To be clear, Senator O'bama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed vegetarianr who attends the Hindu Temple of Greater Chicago.

496 wanumba  Mon, May 12, 2008 10:46:43am

re: #495 annar

To be clear, Senator O'bama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed vegetarianr who attends the Hindu Temple of Greater Chicago.


You mean Senator ... Obama-ji?

497 faraway  Mon, May 12, 2008 10:49:37am
Yes, I think they are primarily from the US. I certainly don't think the Obama camp is systematically, knowingly accepting donations from foreign nationals. Is there any real evidence a substantial amount of money is coming from foreign sources in sub $200 increments?

What kind of logic is this?

These donations could be coming from anywhere. I have raised this point many times.

The only thing we know about each donation is the IP address and the browser type. Both of these can be spoofed.

I cant believe that the FEC doesnt at least require the IP address to be disclosed.

498 annar  Mon, May 12, 2008 10:50:30am

re: #496 wanumba

I stand corrected and humiliated in the face of Shiva, Durga and Ganesh. (O the risks of copy-paste.)

499 faraway  Mon, May 12, 2008 10:51:15am

Any donation of ANY amount that comes from an IP address outside the US should be required to give the full name, address, etc.

500 FoolsMate  Mon, May 12, 2008 10:51:59am

re: #90 Daisy

What has you convinced the followers of the 'behead all apostates' would need to be foreign? Leaving aside Obama's Marxism for the moment, do you think it's prudent to elect a President who is close to death? I don't.

President McCain is more likely to die of old age in the next four years than President Obama is to be assassinated by American Muslims. I guess you are voting Obama then.

501 Maine's Michael  Mon, May 12, 2008 10:58:05am

To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed logical atheist following in the footsteps of his father, Tuvok, , who landed in Chicago 46 years ago.


/Trekkie Vote

502 Ezekiel2517  Mon, May 12, 2008 10:58:54am

Again, denial statements issued by the Obama campaign are not equivalent to BHO himself renouncing Islam and declaring himself an apostate under Islamic law.

Taqiyyah permits lying to the infidel and pretending not to be muslim.

503 annar  Mon, May 12, 2008 11:03:39am

re: #500 FoolsMate

Assuming he does not smoke McCain has a life expectancy of about 13 years, but I'm not sure how one would calculate that of an American apostate who is famous and holds an important public office.

504 annar  Mon, May 12, 2008 11:05:56am

Correction: Of course I meant Muslim apostate since there are other varieties.

505 vagabond trader  Mon, May 12, 2008 11:08:58am

re: #502 Ezekiel2517

No matter, that mess of a "church" he attends is more NOI than Jesus Christ, imho.

506 annar  Mon, May 12, 2008 11:18:27am

To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Raelian following in the footsteps of the Elohim, a flying saucer deposited him in Chicago to promote the faith.

507 debutaunt  Mon, May 12, 2008 11:21:13am

re: #371 Widow'smight

LF must be one of those extree states Oblamo is talking about.

Left Florida?

508 FoolsMate  Mon, May 12, 2008 11:29:19am

re: #503 annar

Assuming he does not smoke McCain has a life expectancy of about 13 years, but I'm not sure how one would calculate that of an American apostate who is famous and holds an important public office.

I'm sure there is no credible way to calculate that, too. Whatever the case, real Americans don't change their vote because they are afraid the president will be assassinated.

509 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, May 12, 2008 11:35:18am

re: #508 FoolsMate

I'm sure there is no credible way to calculate that, too. Whatever the case, real Americans don't change their vote because they are afraid the president will be assassinated.

50 Cent is afraid

510 offendi  Mon, May 12, 2008 11:49:00am

Hillary clearly wasn't waiting around for nothin'.

" Dear Mr. Super delegate :

Would you like to be the one to explain to bubba-blue collar workers in November that Senator Obama was, but really isn't, a Muslim? Especially if Barrack won't have any pork rinds with his "Bud"? Say, did you ever notice he was half-black too? What about that divisive Rev. Wright fellow? And Michelle Obama's "pride" issues? My, he's got some set of baggage right there !

I think you should agree with me and Bill that it is time for a really historic and exciting presidency, a new direction. Namely the first women President, namely me.

Love yah,

Hills

PS- We do have some spare change to throw your way from the 109 million, just so you know. "

511 000G  Mon, May 12, 2008 11:54:07am

re: #214 Dhimmisum

Ain't that the truth!

Found the video at Hotair (don't know how to do the link thingy). It is the Jihad Watch on 3/20/2007.

[Link: hotair.com...]

512 000G  Mon, May 12, 2008 11:55:08am

re: #466 Charles

Those Islamic prohibitions against apostasy are remarkably flexible when it comes to powerful people.

Can you give some examples in which this has been the case?

513 scaramouche  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:01:52pm

Edward Littwak had been dubbed an "ex-Con"--i.e. a former Conservative who's gone over to the left. It seems fairly obvious that a lefty who writes about Obama's Islamic provenance is hoping the other Democratic candidte will be sworn in as the next president.

514 Maine's Michael  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:04:09pm
Those Islamic prohibitions against apostasy are remarkably flexible when it comes to powerful people.

Those Islamic prohibitions against just about anything are remarkably flexible when it comes to powerful people.

515 offendi  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:06:16pm

New Democratic campaign slogan-

Stick it to Osama, vote for Apostate Obama !

Of course the flip side is that they are going to want to nuke us even more if we put an " apostate" muslim in charge of the country. Talk about spittin' in their faces. Positive change indeed.

516 Maine's Michael  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:06:23pm
To be clear, Senator O'bama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed vegetarianr who attends the Hindu Temple of Greater Chicago. Arugula is his favorite vegetable.
517 Squirrelguy  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:19:47pm

re: #510 offendi

Hillary clearly wasn't waiting around for nothin'.

" Dear Mr. Super delegate :

Would you like to be the one to explain to bubba-blue collar workers in November that Senator Obama was, but really isn't, a Muslim? Especially if Barrack won't have any pork rinds with his "Bud"? Say, did you ever notice he was half-black too? What about that divisive Rev. Wright fellow? And Michelle Obama's "pride" issues? My, he's got some set of baggage right there !

I think you should agree with me and Bill that it is time for a really historic and exciting presidency, a new direction. Namely the first women President, namely me.

Love yah,

Hills

PS- We do have some spare change to throw your way from the 109 million, just so you know. "

Dang. Now I want some pork rinds.

518 Squirrelguy  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:20:49pm

re: #515 offendi

New Democratic campaign slogan-

Stick it to Osama, vote for Apostate Obama !

Wonder if we could get those made at Cafe Press?

519 hume  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:24:07pm

Since he's about to clinch the nomination, the great un-vetted Obambi is now being reframed as a potential Christian martyr.
We're suppose to believe that the only presidential candidate ever to be endorsed by Hamas could be threatened by islamists.
Here's another islamic term: taqiyya!

520 000G  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:31:17pm

Robert Spencer coveringt the NYT article, also pointing out the crucial puberty demarcation line:

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

521 A.W.  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:31:26pm

Btw, just a little thought on that.

In my experience, converts are usually the most zealous. That is, if you are born into a faith, you are very calm about it, on average. If you are a convert, you are much more likely to go full bore.

So, if Obama was a convert to christianity, and it was Wright who converted him... doesn't that make it really hard to believe he didn't attend church every damned week, and knew full well everything Wright had been saying all along?

Just saying...

Then again, as a small-town Pennsylvanian at heart, Barack was not likely to get my vote anyway. Its damn near impossible for someone to get my vote after they insult me. And this guy is a surrendercrat to boot.

522 talon_262  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:38:07pm

re: #131 Occasional Reader

Heh. "Road trip! Woo-hoo!"

They eventually skeddadled back home after an unpleasant nightclub encounter in which some Iroquois asked "do you MAHND if we DANCE with yo' DATES".

Nice Animal House reference ;)

523 Maine's Michael  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:38:26pm

re: #521 A.W.

Btw, just a little thought on that.

In my experience, converts are usually the most zealous. That is, if you are born into a faith, you are very calm about it, on average. If you are a convert, you are much more likely to go full bore.

So, if Obama was a convert to christianity, and it was Wright who converted him... doesn't that make it really hard to believe he didn't attend church every damned week, and knew full well everything Wright had been saying all along?

Just saying...

Then again, as a small-town Pennsylvanian at heart, Barack was not likely to get my vote anyway. Its damn near impossible for someone to get my vote after they insult me. And this guy is a surrendercrat to boot.

You're just bitter.

524 AZDave  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:48:41pm

re: #3 seekeroftruth

Thanks for posting this Charles!
Quite a surprise to see this in the NYT!
How is the Obama campaign going to lie about him not being a muslim now?!

Easy. Everyone except Obama is a lying racist hate monger.

525 Neo_  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:53:28pm
And yet I’m disappointed. Barack’s story may be true, but many of the facts are not. His larger narrative purpose requires him to embellish his role. I don’t buy it. Just as I can’t be inspired by Steve Jobs now that I know how dishonest he is, I can’t listen uncritically to Barack Obama now that I know he’s willing to bend the facts to his purpose.

One more ...

526 Yankee Sojourner  Mon, May 12, 2008 12:56:05pm

From Rush this morning:

Obama Gaffe in Oregon: "...I've campaigned in all 57 states plus...."

Q: Is it a mere coincidence the Organization of the Islamic Council (OIC) has 57 member states?

527 Yankee Sojourner  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:12:25pm

From Rush this morning:

Obama Gaffe in Oregon: "...I've campaigned in all 57 states plus...."

Q: Is it a mere coincidence the Organization of the Islamic Council (OIC) has 57 member states?

////////Correction: That's Conference not Council

I've been following Jihad Watch coverage on the OIC's hijacking of the UN's Human Rights Council.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/020 580.php
...For the past eleven years the organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC), representing the 57 Islamic States, has been tightening its grip on the throat of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Yesterday, 28 March 2008, they finally killed it...

528 jenv  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:19:13pm

re: #231 lawhawk


Well, it was a walk alright - Reagan nearly swept the board. You cannot trust the polling


You can't trust the polling because the pollsters get lazy and only talk to people in NY and LA, who of course are overwhelmingly Democrat in their politics. You also can't trust it because, as done by the MSM, polling isn't a means to discover truth but propaganda, intended to shut down opposition by portraying an air of Democrat inevitability.

529 Peter Verkooijen  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:28:50pm

re: #12 lawhawk

Forget the flying pig, but note that this may resuscitate the Clinton campaign - ...

That's the only reason why the NYT is running it. Just like Obama supporters suddenly discover conservative criticism of Clinton.

And this op-ed puts a very weird twist on the facts. It's more likely that Obama will pander to muslims, even be their trojan horse in the White House, than that he will be a target.

530 mustng66  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:45:48pm

Fact is that if NO fatwa is forthcoming from the Muslim world then it is definitive proof he is lying about being a Muslim Trojan horse. You can't have it both ways.

531 Ceemack  Mon, May 12, 2008 1:57:30pm

So the Obaminable Snowman was raised as a Muslim? As Artie Johnson might've said on "Laugh-In":

"Barry inter-estink."

532 indythinker  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:14:33pm

All true, unless Barack Hussein Obama is in fact still a true Muslim, and is only pretending to be Christian, something he would be allowed to do if he were Muslim. This pretending-to-be-Muslim schtick is what the Islamic world is hoping is true.

533 A.W.  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:23:28pm

Maine's Micheal:

Yeah, but i have God and guns to cling to, so I am okay.

;-)

534 Robert Schwartz  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:37:27pm

Why should Muslims want kill President Obama before he can finish surrendering to them?

535 mojoe  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:45:08pm

Well, DUH!

His father is a Muslim, and his mother would have had to convert to Islam for him to marry her. Islam forbids Muslims from marring non believers. That there makes Barack a Muslim.
His mother married another Muslim after his dad left and went to live in Malaysia with him, and brought Barrack over to live with them.
I don't believe that there are any Christian schools in Malaysia that are allowed to take in Muslims without being burned down, are there? It would probably have to have been a Muslim school.
Why else would Barack learn Arabic and memorize the call to prayer, to be a better Christian?

536 Mich-again  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:46:04pm
The Obama campaign, by the way, blatantly lied about Obama’s Muslim origins in a statement on January 23, 2007: Debunked Insight Magazine and Fox News Smear Campaign.

He is the Etch a Sketch candidate. Turn it upside down, shake a few times, and you get a clean slate.

537 offendi  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:51:15pm

ExACTLY how was Barry baptized into Christianity?

Was it the "kosher" way?

Inquiring minds want to know.

538 Daisy  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:56:56pm

re: #500 FoolsMate

President McCain is more likely to die of old age in the next four years than President Obama is to be assassinated by American Muslims. I guess you are voting Obama then.

If I were to take your probability guess as infallible, then I suppose I'd be one imprudent voter. However, I don't declare your guess as infallible - as such, my prudence remains inviolate. Having said that, I'd not vote for BO even if McCain was breathing his last breaths. And that would also be prudent, all things considered.

I suppose that simply by the virtue of being leader of the free world, any American President has an effective fatwah declared against (him). My point was simply this: Why up the ante by electing an apostate - or a Muslim pretending to be a Christian? I'd say the same thing even if there was such an article as a Conservative Muslim converted to actual Christianity running for office.

539 Daisy  Mon, May 12, 2008 2:59:49pm

re: #537 offendi

ExACTLY how was Barry baptized into Christianity?

Was it the "kosher" way?

Inquiring minds want to know.

I think the jury is still very much out on whether Wright's Afro-Centric Black Liberation Hatenanny is even a Christian denomination. My vote? No way.

540 Mich-again  Mon, May 12, 2008 3:37:42pm

re: #539 Daisy

I think the jury is still very much out on whether Wright's Afro-Centric Black Liberation Hatenanny is even a Christian denomination. My vote? No way.

I'm with you. Its Nation of Islam hiding behind a T-shaped thing over in the corner.

541 Yankee Sojourner  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:04:57pm

re: #535 mojoe

Actually, Islamic law allows a Muslim man to marry a non-Muslim woman, but forbids a woman from marrying a non-Muslim under any circumstances. Under Islamic law a man is allowed to marry a scriptural non-Muslim, from the "People of the Book" as in either Jewish or Christian.

542 profitsbeard  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:14:04pm

I noted this potential "Is Obama a Muslim 'apostate' according to Islamic scholars?" quandry over a year ago at Jihadwatch, and Robert Spencer remarked that children "born into" Islam, who are under the age of reason when they leave Mohammadism, are not considered "Muslim" enough, yet, to kill for apostasy.

At least not according to the average reading of Mohammad's homicidal code ("If anyone changes his [Muslim] religion, then kill him.").

But the exact nature of Barry's "religiosity", after early his Muslim upbringing - and during his later childhood and young adulthood- remains unclear. .

Until his joined Rev. Jerry "Crackpot" Wright's church and became a "Christian" he could be considered by strict-constructionist imams as having remained a de facto Muslim.

And, would thus not be allowed the childhood loophole, and could be still considered an "apostate" and scorner of Islam.

As long as the possibility exists, Obama should be kept out of the Presidency, since this potentiality only complicates an already dangerous world relationship with Muslims.

And it might spur an Islamofascistic obsession to "punish" the apostate leader of the Great Satan.

So far, world Muslims seem to look on Barack as a cypto-Muslim who would be sympathetic to their aims, but the jihadi radicals would only be to glad to show their purity by chastizing a heretical dog.

A lose-lose, either way, for America.

543 deRuiter  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:18:56pm

The "57" states is the 57 Muslim nations (states) in the world. Osama Obama is a Muslim mole who masquerades as a Black Separatist Christian for political reasons. If I'm not mistaken the Rev. Jeremiah was a Muslim also, before converting to his White hating Christianity cover. WANT TO PROVE OR DISPROVE MY THEORY? Find out if Osama Obama and his family EVER HAD A DOG AS A PET! Was it a BLACK dog? Did it live in the house? Most American families have a dog as a pet at one time or another, BUT DEVOUT MUSLIMS CANNOT ABIDE A DOG, AND THE PROPHET MOHAMED WANTED ALL BLACK DOGS KILLED. Did Osama Obama own a black poodle? If he did, then I give up my conspiracy theory. NO DOG? THEN WE KNOW HE'S A MUSLIM MOLE. Simple, neat and easy way to learn the truth! PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, ANY OF YOU GREAT COMPUTER RESEARCHERS, FIND OUT FOR ME IF THE OBAMAS EVER HAD A HOUSE DOG FOR A PET.

544 profitsbeard  Mon, May 12, 2008 4:34:18pm
deRuiter-

#543 Dog?

Obama may have had a weasel as a child.

Because he has since morphed into one.

545 wanumba  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:04:20pm

I lean to Obama being more a international ONE Government citizen than either Muslim or so-called Christian. With that, though, he has definitely had far more direct experience with Muslims than Christians. He still isn't getting anything close to what C.S. Lewis called "Mere Christianity," so it's doubtful he has any real clue as to what it is. He's handy enough (on the surface) with the "Christian" jargon gleaned the Jeremiah Wright dictionary, the guy who somehow found "!@?*?**#! America" buried somewhere in the scriptures.
Obama was too young and bounced around a bit from country to country to establish deep genuine ties to anything, and was expected by his mother to take in stride a change in continents and fathers and household secondary languages (African Luo versus whatever Indonesian dialect his step-father used). He probably did get some abuse in Indonesia for being half African, though his coloring seems fair enough to have not stood out too much from the average Indonesian, so maybe he got a pass on the casual glance, a pass a dark African would not get at all. Don't know if his coloring was an asset, a neutral or a negative in Hawaii, but suspect neutral is closest, which is all anyone can hope for anyway.
So, he would have a child's view, not an adult's comprehension of both Islam or Christianity, particularly if his mother was a product of a Western, Christianized culture, but not a confessing Christian by any means. Her belief system seemed Left progressive, so Obama probably didn't get much if any genuine Christian inputs from her. That she married non-Christians sounds rebellious against Christianity - in a rather typical Liberal Progressive Left way.
So, with not much comprehension of either religion, and all of it pretty soft-focus and innocuous because he was a kid, and kids ten and under don't have much in the way of needs or deep thoughts apart from being safe, eating and having kids to play with, Obama later ends up via Michelle in Trinity Unity under the tutelage of ex-Nation of Islam (NOI) Wright whose interpretation of Christianity is pure heresy, ie. making it a cult or suspiciously close to undiluted NOI wrapped up in church clothes.
It just doesn't seem that Obama is a deep anything religiously. He seems no more engaged with Wright's religion as he was with anything else. But the bile that Wright spouted for 20 years has consequences and Wright had the connections to introduce him to more radical figures. They probably perceived Obama was a bit of a blank slate, with great poise, great education, and a very pleasant demeanor, just the kind of guy they need to use to get into the mainstream. With the combo of years of angry Wright and Wright's angry fellow-travellers especially (including Obama's permanently offended wife) , and almost certainly from his childhood, quite normal and unradical Muslims populating his past and extended family of two-three decades ago (when few outside a certain circuit heard of Wahhabists) , Obama would be more likely to be dismiss the dangers of radical Islamofascists; he'd be inclined to believe the propaganda.
Quite a few peeple have touched on this, so tried to put it together.

546 Maine's Michael  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:17:24pm

re: #545 wanumba

Excellent summation and analysis.

It certainly explains how this guy is managing to be all things to all people.

Smart, elegant, good, no, great voice, with no deeply held, or core beliefs, other than some sort of pan socialism.

A very dangerous guy indeed.

McCain will need to break the hypnotic spell, somehow.

Atavistic racism may not overcome Obama's gifts.

547 J'accuzzi  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:22:34pm

But all are born muslim and most don't even have the honesty to denounce their own apostasy when this fact is brought to their attention by those kind people who only want to save them from hell.

548 TalkinKamel  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:55:49pm

OT---By the way, medaura is STILL melting down on the Sunday open thread.

Charles, please shut that thread down, or ban her (at least temporarily).

549 TalkinKamel  Mon, May 12, 2008 5:56:42pm

re: #545 wanumba

Yes, that's an excellent analysis, Wanumba.

550 TalkinKamel  Mon, May 12, 2008 6:01:29pm

re: #223 3 wood

3 wood, she's still melting down, and still ranting on over there.

It is downright painful to behold.

551 FoolsMate  Mon, May 12, 2008 6:24:55pm

re: #538 Daisy

What if someone like Bobby Jindal was running for President. It's not a great stretch to imagine someone like him except converted from Islam instead of Hindu.

552 Willie Wonka  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:04:30pm

CAIR has got to start seething soon, right....?

553 Daisy  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:37:56pm

re: #551 FoolsMate

What if someone like Bobby Jindal was running for President. It's not a great stretch to imagine someone like him except converted from Islam instead of Hindu.

I'd have no problem with Bobby Jindal becoming President. I don't know a whole lot about him -- but if he's a Conservative, I'd certainly take another look. I've not heard of any Hindus issuing orders to kill based upon conversion from Hinduism to Christianity - so the fatwah to kill problem wouldn't exist .. at least not from Hindus or Christians.

554 Daisy  Mon, May 12, 2008 8:57:39pm

re: #545 wanumba

" Quite a few peeple have touched on this, so tried to put it together.."

And did so quite cohesively. I live in a place where people (mostly Moonbats) routinely bring up their children w/make believe religions. It makes for some very odd social problems/malcontents. I think this is what "Stanley" did w/Obama (one could stop and ponder the effects of being brought up by a mother whose father was so chagrined by her gender that the son of a ^*%$# gave her a man's name - which she defiantly kept) only she sprinkled it with real Islam. Obama's 1/2 sister is a wing-nut (with a make- believe religion) and his 1/2 brother is a deeply committed Muslim (both the siblings are from father #2/ I wish the brother would come out of hiding). He was abandoned first by his father and then, at age 10 his mother dumped him back w/the grandparents and went back to her other family (I'm about 100% certain that she then dumped husband #2). I think Obama lets his wife do angry for him (just like he let Wright do his anger for him) and under all his smooth surface is one very angry man. Makes me wonder how on earth he came up with the phrase "typical white woman' for his grandmother. What on earth has ever been "typical" in this man's entire life?

555 Arbalest  Mon, May 12, 2008 10:38:18pm

From the NYT:

To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago.

I get the feeling that the NYT knows something and is trying to break the news to us, and is doing it slowly.

I suspect that it might have to do with a passing comment about the Trinity UCC in Chicago: I recall that someone at Trinity UCC (in one of the early stories on Wright) mentioned that Trinity UCC had Muslims among its attendees.

No hard conclusions yet, but things seem to be fitting together in a certain way.

556 Arbalest  Mon, May 12, 2008 11:00:00pm

re: #555 Arbalest

"From the NYT Obama's website:"

I wasn't looking closely enough.

But the remaining observations still remain.

557 Jetziger  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:38:42pm

Perhaps Obama will do us all a favor and, true to his religion, blow himself up.


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