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Obama: I Understand Why Hamas Digs Me

Tue, May 13, 2008 at 9:01:15 am PDT

After first denying that Hamas supports him and attacking John McCain for bringing it up, Barack Obama now says he understands why Hamas supports him.

While maintaining an ironclad commitment to Israel’s security, Barack Obama says he understood why a top Hamas adviser voiced support for his presidential bid.

“It’s conceivable that there are those in the Arab world who say to themselves, ‘This is a guy who spent some time in the Muslim world, has a middle name of Hussein and appears more worldly and has called for talks with people, and so he’s not going to be engaging in the same sort of cowboy diplomacy as George Bush,’” Obama said in an interview with The Atlantic.

That’s a perfectly legitimate perception as long as they’re not confused about my unyielding support for Israel’s security,” Obama said.

Now why in the world would they be confused about that?

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1 DesertSage  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:02:07am

Just back off....and let me eat my waffle!

2 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:02:34am

Because he believes that Israel is a festering sore.

3 The Other Les  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:03:27am

If only I could have a bug in the room when he privately taks about the subject.

4 VegasRick  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:03:56am

Fuck Barry Hussein.

5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:04:00am

WAFFLER! Golden and Crispy! Bad guys is history!

/queue theme music

Maybe because they know you would "dialog" Barry, instead of killing them.

6 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:04:01am

Will AIPAC and the world wide Jewish conspiracy be powerful enough to sink him?
/

7 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:04:08am

His middle name is Hussein? Who knew?

/looking around

8 gop_patriot  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:04:48am
and appears more worldly and has called for talks with people leaders of regimes whose stated purpose of wiping Israel off the map is well known,

Fixed that for you, Barak.

9 DistantThunder  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:05:01am

Tell that to John Wayne.....

How many cowboy movies has obama ever watched? There should be a cowboy movie Litmus test for any candidate for president.

10 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:05:01am

I understand why Hamas likes him too.
And don't forget he criticized the "settlements". Hamas considers Tel Aviv a "settlement". Maybe Obama doesn't, but he sure wouldn't leave a defensible border for Israel, no matter what he says about Israel's security.

Shaheeds on the right, kassams on the left
here I am, stuck in the middle with you

11 Ben Hur  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:05:05am
appears more worldly

Because he was in Pakistan for TWO WEEKS.

12 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:05:06am

re: #6 Killgore Trout

Will AIPAC and the world wide Jewish conspiracy be powerful enough to sink him?
/

No, but the bagel lobby will.

13 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:05:23am

Of course. When he gets into hot water, or even thinks he's going to, blame it all on BOOOOOOOOOSH!

/he still has a middle name?!

14 Alouette  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:05:32am

Now I want another waffle.

15 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:05:38am

re: #11 Ben Hur

Because he was in Pakistan for TWO WEEKS.

And he went to a secular madrassa!

16 DistantThunder  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:05:39am

Obama is speaking in code to Hamas. - and they both know it.

17 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:05:42am

Although each individual slip up by Obama (in this case, agreeing with John McCain about something he dismissed earlier) doesn't necessarily do him a lot of harm with his supporters, the continuation of these slip ups will lead them down the same line of reasoning, that he's just another politician, and they'll never be able to deny that they were duped. It's somewhat satisfying, but little compared to the thought of Obama losing in the general.

18 Sharmuta  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:06:04am
“That’s a perfectly legitimate perception as long as they’re not confused about my unyielding support for Israel’s security,” Obama said.

Yeah- rhetoric like "constant sore" really shows support for Israeli security.

19 Ben Hur  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:06:19am

Baruch Obamasteinowitzenbergengoldenbaum.

20 Vergeltung  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:06:45am

my Mom, a college professor, was at a luncheon for teachers yesterday, and was seated with all female, and mostly jewish colleagues. My Mom was (and almost always is) the only conservative there, in a sea of liberalism.

talk turned to politics. to a woman, they all delcared their unity with Hillary, in stark opposition to Obama, based largely on Jewish/Israeli isues and concerns with Obama and his percieved sympathy for the phakestinians, etc. she said nothing there, except the usual things, but told us all at dinner last night hoiw shocked she was at the lack of support Obama had in this regard. they will not vote for him. they did not say they would vote for McCain, but did not rule it out. that, or stay home.

I think it was very interesting, and may be quite revealing to the outcome of the Fall election.

21 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:07:00am

re: #12 Ward Cleaver

All your lox are belong to us.

22 mbruce  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:07:01am

Please, no distractions allowed while Barry makes plans to throw Israel under the bus. He likes throwing people under buses.

23 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:07:17am

re: #2 Ward Cleaver

Because he believes that Israel is a festering sore.

"Open Sore" "Open Sore"--least we be accused of misquoting him?

24 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:07:19am

Waffles anyone?

/perfect for lizardoids -- it's shaped like a keyboard!

25 eric  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:07:25am

Obama is unbelievable. The mental somersault one has to go through for this is comic. "Well the terrorists support me, that's understandable, after all, I am me. And oh, I need the Jewish vote so let's throw them a bone"

26 vxbush  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:07:30am

re: #17 bosforus

Although each individual slip up by Obama (in this case, agreeing with John McCain about something he dismissed earlier) doesn't necessarily do him a lot of harm with his supporters, the continuation of these slip ups will lead them down the same line of reasoning, that he's just another politician, and they'll never be able to deny that they were duped. It's somewhat satisfying, but little compared to the thought of Obama losing in the general.

BUT the supporters have to stop and realize all the little things that went wrong. I haven't seen many willing to do that.

27 Ben Hur  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:07:31am
appears more worldly

To those other worldly sophisticated society types.....HAMAS.

28 phil flavin  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:07:36am

re: #19 Ben Hur

Baruch Hussein Obamasteinowitzenbergengoldenbaum.

fixed it

29 Sharmuta  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:07:46am

re: #23 Nevergiveup

"Open Sore" "Open Sore"--least we be accused of misquoting him?

It's "constant sore".

30 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:07:49am

re: #23 Nevergiveup

"Open Sore" "Open Sore"--least we be accused of misquoting him?

Okay, open sore.

/semantics

31 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:08:44am

re: #24 Fat Jolly Penguin

Waffles anyone?

/perfect for lizardoids -- it's shaped like a keyboard!

Very cool!

Does that really exist?

32 Ben Hur  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:08:49am

re: #2 Ward Cleaver

Because he believes that Israel is a festering sore.


Now now, he said the Pali/Israeli situation is a festering sore.

Still absolutely WRONG, but what he really said.

33 Tumulus11  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:08:57am
'This is a guy who spent some time in the Muslim world, has a middle name of Hussein and appears more worldly ....'


. To the Arab world, Mr. Hussein appears more malleable.

34 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:09:02am

re: #22 mbruce

Please, no distractions allowed while Barry makes plans to throw Israel under the bus. He likes throwing people under buses.

In this case, he might use a train. With cattle cars.

35 Cap'n DOC  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:09:07am

re: #9 DistantThunder

Or Buckwheat & Our Gang, for that matter.

36 Bob in Breckenridge[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:09:09am
37 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:09:11am

re: #29 Sharmuta

It's "constant sore".

You right. Ops!

38 Ma Sands  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:09:14am
Now why in the world would they be confused about that? What could possibly give them such an idea?


Bingo!

39 Ben Hur  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:09:31am

re: #28 phil flavin


Baruch Hussein Obamasteinowitzenbergengoldenbaum.

Baruch Haim Obamasteinowitzenbergengoldenbaum.

Even better.

40 Vergeltung  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:09:39am

re: #33 Tumulus11

. To the Arab world, Mr. Hussein appears more malleable.

like sharks, they will smell blood and weakness should the dems win. they will act immediately, I am sure.

41 zombie  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:10:13am
he’s not going to be engaging in the same sort of cowboy diplomacy as George Bush

This guy is signaling weakness all over the place.

The reason the bad guys like him is not because he's necessarily symapthetic to their causes, but because it's obvious he'll be a pushover in any negotiations.

Obama is simply not ready for the world stage. The man has no clue. It is a HARSH reality out there. Bush's flaw wasn't that he engaged in "cowboy diplomacy," but rather that he didn't foilow Teddy Roosevelt's dictum "Speak softly and carry a big stick." He wasn't enough of a cowboy.

In international diplomacy, behind every discussion point there has to be the unspoken second half of every sentence: "...or we will kick your ass."

42 ironbill  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:10:20am

It wasn't "cowboy diplomacy."

We were attacked on 9-11 assh%$#

43 looking closely  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:10:21am

This is particularly cutting:

"Open sore" is the exact same language used by the Arab league as their strategy to undermine Israel by keeping the Palestinian "issue" open.

Apparently Obama has fallen for it, hook line and sinker.

44 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:10:23am

re: #26 vxbush

BUT the supporters have to stop and realize all the little things that went wrong. I haven't seen many willing to do that.

I know, they stonewall it. They'll avoid the point at all costs. But they can't hide forever.

45 jcm  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:10:24am

“That’s a perfectly legitimate perception as long as they’re not confused about my unyielding support for a festering sore,” Obama meant said.

46 alegrias  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:10:38am

IRONCLAD support for Israel!

That's not exactly what his campaign mentors said for 20 years.

47 maddogg  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:10:39am
“It’s conceivable that there are those in the Arab world who say to themselves, ‘This is a guy who spent some time in the Muslim world, has a middle name of Hussein and appears more worldly and has called for talks with people, and so he’s not going to be engaging in the same sort of cowboy diplomacy as George Bush,’” Obama said in an interview with The Atlantic.

Jimmah? Jimmah? Is that you?

48 stead63  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:10:45am

and he had enough time to answer that in between his waffles? Amazing.

49 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:11:02am

re: #40 Vergeltung

like sharks, they will smell blood and weakness should the dems win. they will act immediately, I am sure.

What act? All they have to do is to sit at the table and Obama, the EU, and The UN will serve Israel right up!

50 Ben Hur[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:11:17am
51 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:11:53am

re: #31 Ward Cleaver

Very cool!

Does that really exist?

Unfortunately, I don't think so. If it does, it's custom made:

While you may lobby that nothing's sweeter than an automated waffle maker, Chris Dimino just might counter that. This design guru has apparently concocted a retro inspired, and ever-so-slightly altered kitchen appliance that cooks waffle that are a bit wider and more familiar than usual. This piece of cookware sports an integrated stand for holding four jars of syrup, and the iron itself presses a nifty keyboard each and every time -- caps lock key and all. Of course, we don't expect retailers to start stocking these things anytime soon, but if you're serious about your words waffles-per-minute, we're sure Chris could make arrangements.

52 zombie  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:12:02am

re: #6 Killgore Trout

Will AIPAC and the world wide Jewish conspiracy be powerful enough to sink him?
/

I'm warming up my tentacles already.

53 lawhawk  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:12:07am

Ah, a nuanced response that only makes the statements made yesterday to Goldberg appear in the same light that Charles and others read them - that he's going to pursue policies antithetical to Israel's security (and which would necessarily be antithetical to US security interests in the region as it would cement yet another terrorist regime on Israel's borders (Hizbullahland being the first)).

Obama's positions on the ME are Carteresque warmed over pablum, which failed the first time around, and continue to fail. It's no surprise why they sound Carteresque - Carter's people are part and parcel of the campaign. But it gets much worse than that.

Meanwhile, Lowry notes that questioning Obama on all sorts of issues are off limits - by his own say-so.

54 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:12:07am

re: #41 zombie

This guy is signaling weakness all over the place.

The reason the bad guys like him is not because he's necessarily symapthetic to their causes, but because it's obvious he'll be a pushover in any negotiations.

Obama is simply not ready for the world stage. The man has no clue. It is a HARSH reality out there. Bush's flaw wasn't that he engaged in "cowboy diplomacy," but rather that he didn't foilow Teddy Roosevelt's dictum "Speak softly and carry a big stick." He wasn't enough of a cowboy.

In international diplomacy, behind every discussion point there has to be the unspoken second half of every sentence: "...or we will kick your ass."

Bush needed a waaaay bigger stick in Iraq, like his dad used in GWI.

55 Ben Hur  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:12:24am

re: #41 zombie

This guy is signaling weakness all over the place.

The reason the bad guys like him is not because he's necessarily symapthetic to their causes, but because it's obvious he'll be a pushover in any negotiations.

Obama is simply not ready for the world stage. The man has no clue. It is a HARSH reality out there. Bush's flaw wasn't that he engaged in "cowboy diplomacy," but rather that he didn't foilow Teddy Roosevelt's dictum "Speak softly and carry a big stick." He wasn't enough of a cowboy.

In international diplomacy, behind every discussion point there has to be the unspoken second half of every sentence: "...or we will kick your ass."

Hamas, or Dinnerjacket or any Mid-East language will out Souk his ass in any talks or negotiations.

They will run circles around him.

They do to most.

56 Silhouette  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:12:27am

Yeah, BO, fanatical mass-murdering terrorists only like you because you want to talk.

Clearly, from their daily murder attempts and constant avowal that they will never negotiate, talking is paramount on their mind.

/

57 Ojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:12:46am

To me it bodes very very ill that Obama describes himself as "more worldly" and God help us if he should be elected president of our country.

58 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:12:48am

re: #46 alegrias

IRONCLAD support for Israel!

That's not exactly what his campaign mentors said for 20 years.

"Ironclad" meaning a tin plating over balsa wood.

59 Sharmuta  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:12:55am

re: #43 looking closely

"Constant sore".

re: #45 jcm

"Constant sore".

His words are a constant sore, and I intent to pick at that scab.

60 itellu3times  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:13:03am

WHY does Obama support Israel?

[Link: www.barackobama.com...]

There's also a pdf.

Israel: our strongest ally in the region and its only established democracy. That will always be my starting point. And when we see all of the growing threats in the region: from Iran to Iraq to the resurgence of al-Qaeda to the reinvigoration of Hamas and Hezbollah, that loyalty and that friendship will guide me as we begin to lay the stones that will build the road that takes us from the current instability to lasting peace and security.

Sounds OK to me.

I'm dubious, but more because I think Obambi seems to know little about anything, and of course because of his friggin' name, not to mention the leftoids and/or wackjobs he hangs around with, than for a *specific* reason.

Er, yeah.

61 Russkilitlover  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:13:13am

Obama, thy name is treachery.

62 formercorpsman  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:13:23am

re: #41 zombie

I could not agree more.

Not for one minute, could anyone convince me, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the scum are not salivating at the thought of him winning.

I perish the thought of him winning.

63 Ben Hur  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:13:24am

Remain calm.

We still have the pro-Israel Senate to temper this radical's beliefs.

64 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:13:25am

re: #57 Ojoe

To me it bodes very very ill that Obama describes himself as "more worldly" and God help us if he should be elected president of our country.

More arugula exports to the Third World.

65 alegrias  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:13:30am

Carter II

And we know what Carter I says about Israel. It's not pretty.

66 Kosh's Shadow[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:13:32am
67 looking closely  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:13:44am

"Open sore" is also the language chosen by the usual assortment of Israel haters, including Justin Raimodo of antiwar.com:

It is hardly in America's national interest to continue this state of affairs. We are up against a terrorist enemy that uses our unconditional support of Israel as one of its main recruiting devices – second only to the war in Iraq. America's Israeli-centric policy in the Middle East reinforces al-Qaeda's contention that the U.S. is out to destroy Islam, humiliate the Arab people, and impose what it calls "Crusader-Zionist" hegemony on the region. Our policy destabilizes the Arab governments in the region who are our allies, such as Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, and the current government of Lebanon. It in no way serves our purposes to have this open sore continue to fester. And yet every attempt to heal this wound has been met with opposition from the powerful pro-Israel lobby in our midst, and the poisons issuing forth from this wound continue to infect the whole region, including Iraq.

68 faraway  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:13:44am

President Obama: Carter's Second Term

69 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:14:03am
"...has a middle name of Hussein..."

I thought we weren't supposed to make inferences based on his middle name....And now he's saying that Arabs will relate to him better because of it.

70 bulwrk  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:14:10am

and so he’s not going to be engaging in the same sort of cowboy typical white person diplomacy

71 zombie  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:14:13am

Y'know, there was a girl walking around the Nakba-60 festival registering people to vote, and she had an Obama sticker on her clipboard. I didn't take a picture, not thinking it was noteworthy, but now I'm regretting it.

72 jcm  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:14:16am
73 Teacake!  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:14:21am

Obama's chatter about his respect and such for JEws and Israel is so extremely condescending.

74 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:14:36am

re: #26 vxbush

Or maybe I'm just underestimating the left's ability to live in denial.

75 itellu3times  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:14:52am

re: #68 faraway

President Obama: Carter's Second Term

OUTSTANDING!

Someone fax this to the McCain campaign ... I don't know if they have email over there.

76 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:14:54am

re: #50 Ben Hur

You are far from naive.

The Iranians released the hostages after Reagan was elected precisely because "there is a cowboy" in office.

That's documented.

I'd love to know why my #37 was deleted...

77 DistantThunder  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:15:12am

re: #41 zombie

This guy is signaling weakness all over the place.

The reason the bad guys like him is not because he's necessarily symapthetic to their causes, but because it's obvious he'll be a pushover in any negotiations.

Obama is simply not ready for the world stage. The man has no clue. It is a HARSH reality out there. Bush's flaw wasn't that he engaged in "cowboy diplomacy," but rather that he didn't foilow Teddy Roosevelt's dictum "Speak softly and carry a big stick." He wasn't enough of a cowboy.

In international diplomacy, behind every discussion point there has to be the unspoken second half of every sentence: "...or we will kick your ass."

The Alpha wolves are licking their chops waiting for the beta sheep obama to enter the room. They can almost taste him. Obama in all his beta maleness - is presenting his hind-quarters for sniffing.

Obama must be defeated if we are to avoid a national catastrophe.

78 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:15:24am

re: #71 zombie

Y'know, there was a girl walking around the Nakba-60 festival registering people to vote, and she had an Obama sticker on her clipboard. I didn't take a picture, not thinking it was noteworthy, but now I'm regretting it.

Yes, that would have been good.

79 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:15:24am

re: #76 Bob in Breckenridge

I'd love to know why my #37 was deleted...

Whoops, my #36.

80 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:15:27am

re: #53 lawhawk

These are some of the "Code Words" to look for:
Honest Broker
Even Handed Approach
They may sound innocuous, but they serve to bury Israel.

81 Ben Hur  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:15:43am

re: #60 itellu3times

WHY does Obama support Israel?

[Link: www.barackobama.com...]

There's also a pdf.

Sounds OK to me.

I'm dubious, but more because I think Obambi seems to know little about anything, and of course because of his friggin' name, not to mention the leftoids and/or wackjobs he hangs around with, than for a *specific* reason.

Er, yeah.


See this:

Scary Signals: Obama's Ideology Hints At Dangerous Policy

Compare to what he could have said. My rewrite:

Still, there is no greater gift America can give to Israel -- no better way we can salute our Israeli friends on this important anniversary -- than to redouble our commitment to help Israel achieve its goal of true security through providing it with military equipment, isolating and pressuring its hostile neighbors, demanding an end to terrorism and incitement, and remembering who is America's true friend in the region.

82 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:16:07am

re: #77 DistantThunder

The Alpha wolves are licking their chops waiting for the beta sheep obama to enter the room. They can almost taste him. Obama in all his beta maleness - is presenting his hind-quarters for sniffing.

Obama has gamey buttocks?

/

83 gman  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:16:11am

I would much rather have cowboy diplomacy than bubbleheaded naivete

84 Ojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:16:41am

re: #41 zombie

The most moral people should have the biggest weapons or the evil will prey upon the innocent

85 gop_patriot  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:16:47am

re: #41 zombie

Plus 1, well said!

86 Silhouette  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:16:56am

Obama, the correct response, even throwing in the liberal mindset, was, "I do not ever accept the approval of terrorists. If they approve of me, I cannot like it, and be assured the approval isn't mutual. While I support the Palestinians search for a workable solution, the use of terror and groups like Hamas cannot be part of it."

You missed it by a mile.

87 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:16:58am

re: #76 Bob in Breckenridge

I'd love to know why my #37 was deleted...

Wasn't it #36?

88 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:17:14am

re: #79 Bob in Breckenridge

Must have been because I misspelled muslims.

89 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:17:16am

HAMAS: We Grok Barack.

90 looking closely  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:17:18am

re: #59 Sharmuta

"Constant sore".

re: #45 jcm

"Constant sore".

His words are a constant sore, and I intent to pick at that scab.

Constant sore = open sore.

Same thing.

Here's another quote to put the phrase "open sore" (or constant sore, your choice) into historical context:

The attitude of the other Arab states toward the Palestinian Arab refugees was, as noted, completely different. This attitude was succinctly described by Ralph Galloway, a former head of the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA), in Amman, capital of Jordan, in August 1958: quote:-

"The Arab states do not want to solve the refugee problem. They want to keep it as open sore, as an affront to the United Nations and as a weapon against Israel. Arab leaders don't give a damn whether the refugees live or die." Unquote...

91 Ben Hur  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:17:23am

re: #76 Bob in Breckenridge

I'd love to know why my #37 was deleted...


I didn't do it.

Nor can I do it.

92 MJ  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:17:37am

re: #43 looking closely

This is particularly cutting:

"Open sore" is the exact same language used by the Arab league as their strategy to undermine Israel by keeping the Palestinian "issue" open.

Apparently Obama has fallen for it, hook line and sinker.

Right.
"Open sore" is also the language of Nazism...that Jews are Bacteria which must be eradicated. It's the Jews as Vermin meme.

93 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:17:44am

re: #87 Ward Cleaver

Wasn't it #36?

yep. PIMF.

94 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:18:33am

I do not believe Americans are turned off to Bush over his so called Cowboy Diplomacy. I actually think that's what's left for real Americans to like about the man. We're certainly disappointed with the slow results in Iraq. And we're terribly disappointed with his inability to communicate. I think with each gaffe he makes he loses a tenth of an approval point.

Right or wrong, Obama having to answer for the Hamas endorsement ain't good for Obama.

95 Silhouette  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:18:35am

re: #71 zombie

Y'know, there was a girl walking around the Nakba-60 festival registering people to vote, and she had an Obama sticker on her clipboard. I didn't take a picture, not thinking it was noteworthy, but now I'm regretting it.

Gee, why would a candidate that is a Friend to Israel expect to find supporters among those that consider Israel's formation a tragedy?

/wide-eyed naivete

96 Ben Hur  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:18:38am

HE DID NOT CALL ISRAEL AN OPEN SORE.

97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:18:39am

So far, Barry has the support of FARC and HAMAS. I'm wondering what other terrorist endorsements he has waiting in the wings.

98 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:19:10am

re: #97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So far, Barry has the support of FARC and HAMAS. I'm wondering what other terrorist endorsements he has waiting in the wings.

Oh, and Billy Ayers, cant forget the home grown terrorists.

99 Charles  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:19:21am

It is absolutely not OK to use derogatory slurs for Muslims here. You must know this already, because the filter blocks some of the most common ones, and you probably have already discovered that.

This is a warning. Do it again, and accounts will be blocked.

100 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:19:29am

re: #97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So far, Barry has the support of FARC and HAMAS. I'm wondering what other terrorist endorsements he has waiting in the wings.

/Ummm...Weather Underground?

101 DistantThunder  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:19:32am

It's part of Obama's Messiah complex that he thinks mere mortals cannot succeed with genocidal monsters like the Iranian leaders, and Asad - but that HE, the great, clean uniter, can bring monsters and saints together over common goals.

But Monsters and Saints don't have common goals..........

102 redshirt  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:19:42am
‘This is a guy who spent some time in the Muslim world, has a middle name of Hussein and appears more worldly and has called for talks with people, and so he’s not going to be engaging in the same sort of cowboy diplomacy as George Bush,’”


If Barack really believes our enemies are hoping for a leader who wants to talk out our differences to achieve peace, he has a terrifying lack of understanding of who we are fighting.

103 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:19:58am

Hamas digging you is a bad sign. As is communists 'hearting' you, and Osama Bin Laden dry humping your leg.

104 Sharmuta  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:20:01am
‘This is a guy who spent some time in the Muslim world, has a middle name of Hussein and appears more worldly and has called for talks with people, and so he’s not going to be engaging in the same sort of cowboy diplomacy as George Bush,’

I figured it was because they know an appeaser when they see one.

105 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:20:03am

re: #99 Charles

It is absolutely not OK to use derogatory slurs for Muslims here. You must know this already, because the filter blocks some of the most common ones, and you probably have already discovered that.

This is a warning. Do it again, and accounts will be blocked.

Gotcha. Sorry.

106 nikis-knight  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:20:08am

And how about FARC?

Exactly how often in the last 30 years has a republican (likely candidate) gotten the endorsement of a terrorist or dictator?
Compared to dems? It would be an interesting comparison, wouldn't it? I remember Kerry getting some unsavory endorsements, too

107 DistantThunder  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:20:08am

re: #86 Silhouette

Obama, the correct response, even throwing in the liberal mindset, was, "I do not ever accept the approval of terrorists. If they approve of me, I cannot like it, and be assured the approval isn't mutual. While I support the Palestinians search for a workable solution, the use of terror and groups like Hamas cannot be part of it."

You missed it by a mile.

See, how hard it is really - assuming that you S. are not a brain surgeon....

108 itellu3times  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:20:12am
"Still, there is no greater gift America can give to Israel -- no better way we can salute our Israeli friends on this important anniversary -- than to redouble our commitment to help Israel achieve its goal of true security through lasting peace with its neighbors. The United States does Israel no favors when it neglects opportunities for progress in Arab-Israeli peacemaking."

Yeah but this is targeting Bush's "not speaking" to people, it really isn't about Israel at all.

The biggest gift the US could give Israel is regime-change in Saudi Arabia, and then we'll worry about Iran.

109 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:20:15am

re: #76 Bob in Breckenridge

I'd love to know why my #37 was deleted...

It was, I think 36, and it had a term for Muslim that Charles disapproves of, is my guess.

110 gman  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:20:17am

re: #89 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

HAMAS: We Grok Barack.

or "Barack has our Baaack"

111 Ojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:20:22am

re: #102 redshirt

terrifying lack.

112 Ben Hur  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:20:37am

In a post Cold War world, in which every "power" (China, Russia, Etc) is hell bent on advancing their national interests, what we don't need is a softist in office.

113 Kenneth  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:20:54am

re: #90 looking closely

"Open sore" & yesterday it was "57 States"... got any any more of Obama's freudian slips?

114 Russkilitlover  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:21:05am

Obama is bleeding profusely in international waters and the sharks are closing in with bibs and cutlery. He is TOAST on the international scene. It's like he took all the worst from Wilson, Chamberlain, and Carter and changed them into one hopeless, squishy Hussein Obama.

I sure hope McCain has the balls to want the Presidency enough to take on this dangerous charlatan and to take the gloves off!

115 jcm  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:21:40am

re: #103 coquimbojoe

Osama Bin Laden dry humping your leg.

That is a mental image I could do without thank you.

116 ironbill  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:21:44am

Meanwhile, McCain's running around talking about global warming and carbon credits.

God help us

117 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:22:08am

re: #100 Bob in Breckenridge

/Ummm...Weather Underground?

See 98

118 DistantThunder  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:22:13am

Obama: Carter's Second Term - LUV it!

McCain won't use it because he is friends with Jimmah.

119 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:22:15am

re: #113 Kenneth

"Open sore" & yesterday it was "57 States"... got any any more of Obama's freudian slips?

His girls 'punished' with babies er, his grandchildren....

120 alegrias  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:22:19am

This morning a guy called Stephen Marks who's written about being a "Political Hitman" said people support Obama because he makes them feel good, like motivational speakers Tim Robbins or somesuch.

Yes, Obama's supporters dig Obama because he makes them hopeful.
Hamas is hopeful now.

121 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:22:19am

re: #112 Ben Hur

In a post Cold War world, in which every "power" (China, Russia, Etc) is hell bent on advancing their national interests, what we don't need is a softist in office.

Well, now a days there is Viagra?

122 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:22:31am

re: #112 Ben Hur

In a post Cold War world, in which every "power" (China, Russia, Etc) is hell bent on advancing their national interests, what we don't need is a softist in office.

Interesting word- Softist. First time I've heard it.

123 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:22:38am

re: #115 jcm

That is a mental image I could do without thank you.

You're welcome anyway, sir!

124 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:22:49am

What a fu***** joke.

A day an a half ago, Obama bobos were slamming McCain for pointing out Hamas wants to get out the knee pads for Obama.

Now Obama himself says that Hamas's endorsement is a "perfectly legitimate perception".

Which is it? Obama might be bi-racial, but its clear he definitely has two sides of his mouth, too.

As much as we all like to hammer Johnnie Mac for some obvious reasons, he deserves support on this one. Maybe I'll even make a donation.

125 RedStateBlueCity  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:22:54am

New campaign slogan:

Obama - endorsed by terrorists, both foreign and domestic.

126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:23:28am

re: #110 gman

or "Barack has our Baaack"

Hussein in the membrane,
Gone insane, got no brain!

127 Sharmuta  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:23:29am

re: #90 looking closely

Sure- it means the same, but let's be precise in quoting him. He said "constant sore". Just going for accuracy here.

128 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:23:36am

re: #125 RedStateBlueCity

New campaign slogan:

Obama - endorsed by terrorists, both foreign and domestic.

I like I like.

129 DistantThunder  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:23:50am

Can someone plant a Chamberlain speech on Obama? Let him get caught red-handed? Insert the quotes into a speech - they would be indistinguishable from his own positions.

130 lawhawk  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:23:54am

You know, if a genocidal terrorist group decided to come out and support me, I'd be the first to question what the heck they were supporting and do as much to distance myself as possible. I wouldn't be trying to understand and accept such support.

Yet, that's not what Obama has done. He's trying to weasel his way through a muddled response to suggest that he understands the terrorists' pain.

As for cowboy diplomacy, the actions by the Bush Administration over the past two years should remove that moniker for all intents and purposes. He's reinstilled the Baker plan, which is anything but cowboy diplomacy, but rather serves to gut his Bush doctrine that calls terrorists by their name. Legacy building has a way of doing that - and it undermines US national security in the process.

131 Charles  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:23:56am

If John McCain chooses Mike Huckabee as his running mate, I'm going to have a very difficult decision to make. I will not vote for Mike Huckabee under any circumstances.

132 Silhouette  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:24:51am

re: #125 RedStateBlueCity

New campaign slogan:

Obama - endorsed by terrorists, both foreign and domestic.

Foreign and domestic. Hmmm, that phrase sounds so familiar.

Like it is in a pledge of office I've heard somewhere before...

133 DistantThunder  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:25:06am

re: #124 brainwizard73

What a fu***** joke.

A day an a half ago, Obama bobos were slamming McCain for pointing out Hamas wants to get out the knee pads for Obama.

Now Obama himself says that Hamas's endorsement is a "perfectly legitimate perception".

Which is it? Obama might be bi-racial, but its clear he definitely has two sides of his mouth, too.

As much as we all like to hammer Johnnie Mac for some obvious reasons, he deserves support on this one. Maybe I'll even make a donation.

Obama's way, way, way out of his league, and he knows it, he's making bush-league mistakes.

134 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:25:09am

re: #99 Charles

It is absolutely not OK to use derogatory slurs for Muslims here. You must know this already, because the filter blocks some of the most common ones, and you probably have already discovered that.

This is a warning. Do it again, and accounts will be blocked.

I assume you will block the original poster, and not someone who quotes it in a reply without realizing. Or at least, you'd un-block that person's account.

135 zombie  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:25:12am

re: #114 Russkilitlover

I sure hope McCain has the balls to want the Presidency enough to take on this dangerous charlatan and to take the gloves off!

No, he's pretty much indicated that he will "take the high road" and leave it up to us independent activists to take Obama down.

Seriously, it's all up to us at this point. We have to physically push McCain across the finish line. And no one but us will do anything to stop Obama.

Are you ready?

136 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:25:27am

re: #131 Charles

If John McCain chooses Mike Huckabee as his running mate, I'm going to have a very decision to make. I will not vote for Mike Huckabee under any circumstances.

Ya know, I would feel very much the same for many of the same, and probably some very different reasons. A McCain/Huckabee ticket would be the proverbial 'ship of fools'.

137 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:25:45am

re: #125 RedStateBlueCity

New campaign slogan:

Obama - endorsed by terrorists, both foreign and domestic.

Great idea!

138 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:25:49am

re: #131 Charles

If John McCain chooses Mike Huckabee as his running mate, I'm going to have a very difficult decision to make. I will not vote for Mike Huckabee under any circumstances.

Time for a poll?

139 ironbill  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:25:50am

re: #131 Charles

This is McCain's big failing right now. He's not making anybody want to get off the couch come November.

140 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:26:03am

re: #131 Charles

If John McCain chooses Mike Huckabee as his running mate, I'm going to have a very decision to make. I will not vote for Mike Huckabee under any circumstances.

I was going to say he can't be that stupid, but then I remember this is the same guy who came up with the McCain- Feingold and Amnesty acts.

141 lawhawk  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:26:11am

This is the same Hamas terror group that continues to hold Gilad Shalit for nearly two years. The same Hamas that is engaged in a rocket war with Israel and has no intention of peace with Israel - in a ceasefire or otherwise- as it is ideologically bound to Israel's destruction.

And despite that, the diplomatic talks continue.

142 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:26:21am

re: #136 coquimbojoe

Ya know, I would feel very much the same for many of the same, and probably some very different reasons. A McCain/Huckabee ticket would be the proverbial 'ship of fools'.

In McCain's eyes that's good enough reason to pick Huckabee.

143 Silhouette  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:26:44am

re: #130 lawhawk

You know, if a genocidal terrorist group decided to come out and support me, I'd be the first to question what the heck they were supporting and do as much to distance myself as possible.

He is courting the genocidal-terrorist-supporting vote in America. He cannot denounce Hamas.

No sarcasm tag at all.

144 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:26:56am

re: #133 DistantThunder

Obama's way, way, way out of his league, and he knows it, he's making bush-league mistakes.

Best thing his campaign can do is not let him talk...

...at all.

But then, that makes it hard to campaign, right?

145 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:27:04am

re: #124 brainwizard73

What a fu***** joke.

A day an a half ago, Obama bobos were slamming McCain for pointing out Hamas wants to get out the knee pads for Obama.

Now Obama himself says that Hamas's endorsement is a "perfectly legitimate perception".

Which is it? Obama might be bi-racial, but its clear he definitely has two sides of his mouth, too.

As much as we all like to hammer Johnnie Mac for some obvious reasons, he deserves support on this one. Maybe I'll even make a donation.

Let him eat his waffle.

146 Maximu§  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:27:17am

"he’s not going to be engaging in the same sort of cowboy diplomacy as George Bush"

WTF is wrong with Cowboys? I grew up watching cowboy movies and the problem with GWB, is that he isn't the Cowboy we thought he was....

147 looking closely  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:27:20am

re: #92 MJ

Right.
"Open sore" is also the language of Nazism...that Jews are Bacteria which must be eradicated. It's the Jews as Vermin meme.


Point taken, but I don't think the analogy is apt. There was no Israel at the time of the Nazis.

The political language describing Israel as an "open sore" (occasionally voiced as "an open sore on the backside of Europe"), or more precisely irresolution of the Palestinian issue being the "open sore", was actually invented, and stated explicitly by the Arab league decades ago.

The ones who wanted (and still want) to destroy Israel invented that political terminology, and shocker. . .now we're hearing the same phrase coming directly from Obama's lips.

Think he discovered it for himself or he absorbed it from his gaggle of Israel-hating leftist advisors?

Either way, I think this is pretty strong evidence of where Obama stands politically wrt Israel.

148 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:27:21am

re: #142 bosforus

In McCain's eyes that's good enough reason to pick Huckabee.


Around our house, Huckabee is darn near a curse word.

149 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:27:37am

re: #131 Charles

If John McCain chooses Mike Huckabee as his running mate, I'm going to have a very decision to make. I will not vote for Mike Huckabee under any circumstances.

We can only hope they are floating a balloon and the negative reaction will be so great that it gets buried. But then again McCain never fails to disappoint me lately.

150 DistantThunder  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:27:40am

re: #131 Charles

If John McCain chooses Mike Huckabee as his running mate, I'm going to have a very difficult decision to make. I will not vote for Mike Huckabee under any circumstances.

Our household is with you Charles, and we've had this discussion many, many times. Huckabee is a charlatan, and it is obvious to the average thinking person.

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adjective
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2 (chiefly of minerals) having a greasy or soapy feel.

151 HDrepub  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:27:51am

The more I listen to what Obama has to say, the more I am convinced he is an arrogant prick, and no one should question his ideas or motives, since Barack Obama is on the proper side of history, he believes. Hence the statement, "Can't I just eat my waffle?".
Typical egghead attitude, and if the right buttons are pushed I think we will see an Obama we haven't seen yet, with steam rising off his ears.
A glib reader of the teleprompter, but when speaking off the cuff he isn't so fast on his feet.
I still say he is a MSM creation, which fancies themselves the kingmaker of the USA.
G*d help this country, for I believe we are going down the drain of history.

152 alegrias  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:27:58am

re: #116 ironbill

Meanwhile, McCain's running around talking about global warming and carbon credits.

God help us

* * *
Half our electorate cares more about eco-issues than about our country.

McCain and any serious person who wants to SAVE our country, needs these single-issue ecofreaks' vote.

153 jcm  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:28:02am

re: #135 zombie

No, he's pretty much indicated that he will "take the high road" and leave it up to us independent activists to take Obama down.

Seriously, it's all up to us at this point. We have to physically push McCain across the finish line. And no one but us will do anything to stop Obama.

Are you ready?

Politics doesn't have a "high road" if you want to win you have to bloody your knuckles. That doesn't mean you have to get in the gutter, but use every legitimate thing against your opponent. There's lot's of ammo to use on BHO.

154 zombie  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:28:03am

re: #131 Charles

If John McCain chooses Mike Huckabee as his running mate, I'm going to have a very difficult decision to make. I will not vote for Mike Huckabee under any circumstances.

Can you imagine ___/Huckabee vs. Obama/___ in November?

A nightmare of biblical proportions.

I'd get down on my knees and pray for a Lieberman/Giuliani independent centrist ticket.

155 pat  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:28:11am

All you need to know about Obama vis a vis Islam is his commitment to disarm America, withdraw from the Middle East, and intent to beg Iran to be nicer to us. There is more than one way to espouse a commitment to Israel and to do the opposite. Condi Rice is doing a pretty good job right now of undermining Israel.

156 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:28:22am

I know this might come as a suprise to a lot of lizards, but;

OLIVER STONE FILM MOCKS BUSH, WHITE HOUSE...

SHOCKER!

157 redshirt  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:28:40am

Charles, I feel the same way regarding his VP choice. But he's better than Condi.
One thing would make me support him unconditionally, however. If he were to announce that he wanted John Bolton for Sec State.

158 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:28:53am

re: #138 unrealizedviewpoint

Time for a poll?

Why bother?

Won't Ron Paul win, anyway?

159 stead63  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:28:54am

re: #116 ironbill

Meanwhile, McCain's running around talking about global warming and carbon credits.

God help us

Cant say we have the best of choices here...
1. A sinper-bullet dodging, whiskey shooting Clinton
2. A democrate turned repub, Al Gore inspired global warming enthusiast, ancient McCain
3. A Hamas hugging, Israel Hating, socialist Obama-bin-laden


Boy am I amped to get to the polls!

160 formercorpsman  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:28:57am

re: #131 Charles

Charles, I am sure you have seen it, the rumor mill is now pushing the Condi angle.

I have been considering what the RNC might doing behind the scene, only because it is obvious, the party will need an heir apparent in some time to come.

For this reason, and the fact the RNC seems to want to push into more left leaning waters, I would hesitate to think they are really considering MH for the slot.

But, who the hell knows.

161 alegrias  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:28:59am

re: #118 DistantThunder

Obama: Carter's Second Term - LUV it!

McCain won't use it because he is friends with Jimmah.

* * *
McCain said Carter meeting with Hamas was disgraceful, it was all over the media, guess you missed McCain's forceful condemnation of Carter's treasonous behavior.

162 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:29:21am

re: #131 Charles

If John McCain chooses Mike Huckabee as his running mate, I'm going to have a very decision to make. I will not vote for Mike Huckabee under any circumstances.

I know exactly what you mean, Charles. It'll be a very tough decision. Huckabee might win over some of the religious right, but Huckabee is disliked by other parts of the base. A fair number of the fiscal conservatives don't care much for the man, and I don't think the hawks like him either. Didn't Huckabee want to open dialogue with Iran as well, IIRC?

Steele, Watts, Romney, DeMint, Coburn, Nussle, and a few others would make much better VP choices.

163 MJ  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:29:41am

re: #131 Charles

If John McCain chooses Mike Huckabee as his running mate, I'm going to have a very difficult decision to make. I will not vote for Mike Huckabee under any circumstances.

The way to look at this is that we're voting for a one term President.

164 realwest  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:30:14am

re: #41 zombie Zombie, haven't read down beyond that post, but had to stop reading to tell you what a great post that was.
Truly.
And the most telling part, for me, was this one:
"Obama is simply not ready for the world stage. The man has no clue."
Thanks for that post.

165 Cognito  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:30:41am

Hmmm. I'm not exactly angered by this particular quote, although I think he's capitalizing on almost global dislike for George W. Bush's "cowboy diplomacy," which is a cliche.

The thing is, in the Arab world, saying you've got "unyielding support for Israel’s security" is the verbal equivalent of hoisting a giant rubber-foam middle finger. People will hate him for saying it.

166 DistantThunder  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:30:43am

re: #82 Fat Jolly Penguin

Obama has gamey buttocks?

/

He thinks he's too clean to smell, politically. His arrogance will help us.

167 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:30:55am

re: #154 zombie

Can you imagine ___/Huckabee vs. Obama/___ in November?

A nightmare of biblical proportions.

I'd get down on my knees and pray for a Lieberman/Giuliani independent centrist ticket.

I could almost live with that ticket if it were the other way around. I know that Joe is right on board with protecting us from Islamofascism and any other kind of threats there may be, but I don't trust his economic instincts. Giuliani has shown that he can effectively run a large government in bring spending and taxes down....... But I like the idea.

168 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:31:06am

So many people believe Abasshole when he says he wants peace with Israel, but then doesn't take the first step he agreed to, and that is to stop terrorism,
but they don't believe Hamas and Iran when they clearly say they want Israel wiped out, and act accordingly.

169 DistantThunder  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:31:07am

re: #161 alegrias

* * *
McCain said Carter meeting with Hamas was disgraceful, it was all over the media, guess you missed McCain's forceful condemnation of Carter's treasonous behavior.

He still won't use it.

170 zombie  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:31:14am

I can only hope that it's nothing but MSM smoke-and-mirrors that are floating rumors and Huckabee and Condi. Because if McCain is serious about either one of those, he's lost his marbles.

171 Colin Nelson  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:31:16am

“It’s conceivable that there are those in the Arab world who say to themselves,..."

Followed by,

“That’s a perfectly legitimate perception..."

BHO is intoxicated with his own rhetoric and intellect.

A little bit like the Mad Hatter...

172 ironbill  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:31:20am

re: #152 alegrias

I politely disagree on the grounds that McCain needs to be earning Conservative votes at this point.

The eco-libs aren't voting "R" no mater what. Trying to placate the Left is a waste of energy. I say it speaks of bad strategy.

173 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:31:21am

re: #146 Maximu?

"he’s not going to be engaging in the same sort of cowboy diplomacy as George Bush"

WTF is wrong with Cowboys? I grew up watching cowboy movies and the problem with GWB, is that he isn't the Cowboy we thought he was....

Kind of a faux-boy.

174 looking closely  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:31:36am

re: #131 Charles

If John McCain chooses Mike Huckabee as his running mate, I'm going to have a very difficult decision to make. I will not vote for Mike Huckabee under any circumstances.

Charles,

I feel your pain, and also have no regard for Huckabee.

But personally speaking, I'd still have no problem pulling the lever for McCain/Huckabee were it to come to that.

McCain/Huckabee would merely be disgusting. But Obama/whomever would be suicidal.

More to the point, though, I don't think McCain would pick Huckabee. McCain may be stubborn, and IMO he's not that bright either, but he's still a politician, and he'd have to know that Huckabee on his side would end up costing him votes, including possibly swing states. So despite the rumors, I just don't think its likely.

175 faraway  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:31:38am

Barack is a crock.

176 zombie  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:31:44am

re: #164 realwest

Zombie, haven't read down beyond that post, but had to stop reading to tell you what a great post that was.
Truly.
And the most telling part, for me, was this one:
"Obama is simply not ready for the world stage. The man has no clue."
Thanks for that post.

You're welcome!

177 formercorpsman  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:31:47am

re: #135 zombie

We're gonna party like it's 1996.

178 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:32:01am

People appear to be writing about the McCain/Huckabee ticket a lot in the last day or two (Google News search results). My question is why? Did McCain or Huckabee say something recently about it or is it just an idea that got hot?

179 pat  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:32:06am

I would take Condi over Huckabee any day. But why should McCain take any of the high profilers? They all come with baggage. Better a good Governor. Wonder what Pataki is doing? I personally wish he would chose Rudy. Then I could vote for Rudy.

180 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:32:09am

I can't believe McCain would be so deaf as to pick Huckabee as VP. The only chance McCain has is to grab the center and the unaffiliated. And Huckabee is anathema to both of them.

181 MandyManners  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:32:12am

re: #101 DistantThunder

It's part of Obama's Messiah complex that he thinks mere mortals cannot succeed with genocidal monsters like the Iranian leaders, and Asad - but that HE, the great, clean uniter, can bring monsters and saints together over common goals.

But Monsters and Saints don't have common goals..........

You forgot "articulate".

182 Kenneth  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:32:17am

re: #129 DistantThunder

Here's one quick find... not strictly Obama quoting Chamberlain, but a blog called "Peace in our Time?" by a self-loathing Jewish pro-Obama moonbat. Oh, the irony.

183 jorline  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:32:23am

re: #149 Nevergiveup

We can only hope they are floating a balloon and the negative reaction will be so great that it gets buried. But then again McCain never fails to disappoint me lately.

I agree with the disappointment.

Two choices I could trust with McCain would be Hunter Duncan or Mitt Romney.

184 jcm  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:32:29am

re: #175 faraway

Barack is a crock.

Your Presidential Candidate is not a crock!
/BHO

185 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:32:29am

re: #162 Honorary Yooper

I know exactly what you mean, Charles. It'll be a very tough decision. Huckabee might win over some of the religious right, but Huckabee is disliked by other parts of the base. A fair number of the fiscal conservatives don't care much for the man, and I don't think the hawks like him either. Didn't Huckabee want to open dialogue with Iran as well, IIRC?

Steele, Watts, Romney, DeMint, Coburn, Nussle, and a few others would make much better VP choices.

I am the religious right. Huckabee would have me looking closely at Bob Barr. EEEWWW, the very thought of it....

186 ec marm  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:32:37am

OT
I see Fark dot com has a front page politics link to LGF. The Obama 'do over' with Iran article.

187 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:32:47am

re: #170 zombie

I can only hope that it's nothing but MSM smoke-and-mirrors that are floating rumors and Huckabee and Condi. Because if McCain is serious about either one of those, he's lost his marbles.

Woah, way to answer my question before I asked it.

188 Sharmuta  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:32:50am

Huckabee's people think we deserve an obama presidency for our sins!

An element of the Christian community is not reconciled to McCain's candidacy but instead regards the prospective presidency of Barack Obama in the nature of a Biblical plague visited upon a sinful people.

*********

One experienced, credible activist in Christian politics who would not let his name be used told me Huckabee in personal conversation with him embraced the concept that an Obama presidency might be what the American people deserve. That fits what has largely been a fringe position among evangelicals that the pain of an Obama presidency is in keeping with the Bible's prophecy.

189 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:32:52am

re: #131 Charles

If John McCain chooses Mike Huckabee as his running mate, I'm going to have a very difficult decision to make. I will not vote for Mike Huckabee under any circumstances.

Bob Barr?

/blink

190 Dianna  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:32:59am

re: #165 Cognito

Only if they think he means it. And they don't.

191 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:33:11am

re: #165 Cognito

Hmmm. I'm not exactly angered by this particular quote, although I think he's capitalizing on almost global dislike for George W. Bush's "cowboy diplomacy," which is a cliche.

The thing is, in the Arab world, saying you've got "unyielding support for Israel’s security" is the verbal equivalent of hoisting a giant rubber-foam middle finger. People will hate him for saying it.

I disagree. They see who his advisers are and some of the code words he uses. He will get a pass.

192 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:33:32am

re: #159 stead63

Cant say we have the best of choices here...
1. A sinper-bullet dodging, whiskey shooting Clinton
2. A democrate turned repub, Al Gore inspired global warming enthusiast, ancient McCain
3. A Hamas hugging, Israel Hating, socialist Obama-bin-laden


Boy am I amped to get to the polls!

That is the general opinion here on LGF. It is Obama that is pushing me to go and vote for McCain, not McCain making me want to vote for him.
Funny that when I went to McCain's website last weekend, the front page had a "blog roll" with links to three blogs - and LGF was one of them.

193 DistantThunder  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:33:38am

McCain should be picking someone who can also be elected president - and Huckabee, with his almost master's degree in theology is a joke. He could only have been elected in ARkansas

194 looking closely  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:33:56am

re: #185 coquimbojoe

I am the religious right. Huckabee would have me looking closely at Bob Barr. EEEWWW, the very thought of it....


I deny any connection to Bobb Barr!

195 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:33:58am

re: #170 zombie

I can only hope that it's nothing but MSM smoke-and-mirrors that are floating rumors and Huckabee and Condi. Because if McCain is serious about either one of those, he's lost his marbles.

Yes, but at least Condi for all her faults, seems honest in her outlook. She comes across as genuine, foolish and appeasing to the wrong people, but honest....

196 jcm  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:34:00am

re: #186 ec marm

OT
I see Fark dot com has a front page politics link to LGF. The Obama 'do over' with Iran article.

Stand by on the hamster boost.

197 faraway  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:34:01am

My VP vote is for Sarah Palin.

Gun-totin', firebreathin', conservative beauty queen governor.

198 formercorpsman  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:34:16am

re: #165 Cognito


Cognito, the only problem with your assertion, is that other world players realize, is during the electoral process anymore, anything and everything is claimed, and it does not matter.

They know who he has surrounded himself with, and it is comforting.

199 Sharmuta  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:34:17am

re: #179 pat

I would take Condi over Huckabee any day. But why should McCain take any of the high profilers? They all come with baggage. Better a good Governor. Wonder what Pataki is doing? I personally wish he would chose Rudy. Then I could vote for Rudy.

Senator McCain- pick RUDY!

200 Peacekeeper  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:34:20am

Racists won't vote for Obama, therefore people who won't vote Obama are racists.


For all the hope and excitement Obama's candidacy is generating, some of his field workers, phone-bank volunteers and campaign surrogates are encountering a raw racism and hostility that have gone largely unnoticed -- and unreported -- this election season. Doors have been slammed in their faces. They've been called racially derogatory names (including the white volunteers). And they've endured malicious rants and ugly stereotyping from people who can't fathom that the senator from Illinois could become the first African American president.

201 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:34:25am

Charles, where did you hear the Huckabee rumor? McCain was on with Hugh Hewitt last week, saying the process of picking a veep is just starting.

202 Silhouette  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:34:45am

re: #25 eric

"Well the terrorists support me, that's understandable, after all, I am me.

That sums it up best for me. He believes his own press releases. He is practically divine.

203 soccer fan  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:34:46am

I don't know about you guys but I am also getting tired of Israel, I have been an official registered lizard for a while now yet I still haven't received even one Zionist check yet... show me the money!

204 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:34:47am

IIRC Huckleberry did fairly well in last weeks primary. His religious beliefs aren't my problem with the guy. The problem is his lack of understanding of this war.re: #157 redshirt

Charles, I feel the same way regarding his VP choice. But he's better than Condi.
One thing would make me support him unconditionally, however. If he were to announce that he wanted John Bolton for Sec State.

Never happen. He'll never get confirmed.
Staff appointed good enough?

205 nikis-knight  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:34:49am

I don't like Huckabee. He's pretty liberal (i.e., coercive) in a lot of ways, and it's grating the way he wraps this in religious rhetoric.
McCain likes to stick it to conservatives on many issues, and has bought the Al Gore kool-aid.

I will have no trouble whatsoever voting against Obama or Hillary.
Repeat after me: The lesser of too evils is still LESS EVIL.

this world will never give you perfection. Less Evil is a goal I can work towards/vote for with a clean conscience.

206 Cognito  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:34:50am

re: #198 formercorpsman

Cognito, the only problem with your assertion, is that other world players realize, is during the electoral process anymore, anything and everything is claimed, and it does not matter.

They know who he has surrounded himself with, and it is comforting.

True.

207 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:34:55am

re: #185 coquimbojoe

I am the religious right. Huckabee would have me looking closely at Bob Barr. EEEWWW, the very thought of it....

That's why I said "some". There were a few here who were rather enthused with the man. One of them is now banned, and I haven't seen the others is a while.

That link I have has some analysis of some potential VP candidates. I found it most interesting, and it opened me up to a few names I had not seen before.

208 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:35:14am

re: #197 faraway

My VP vote is for Sarah Palin.

Gun-totin', firebreathin', conservative beauty queen governor.

But she is pregnant. Could be a problem.

209 Kenneth  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:35:16am

re: #143 Silhouette

Obama's Terrorist Endorsements:

Hamas
Hezbollah
The Islamic Republic of Iran
Hugo Chavez
FARC
CAIR

... please add to the list & include links

210 zombie  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:35:29am

re: #180 Nevergiveup

I can't believe McCain would be so deaf as to pick Huckabee as VP. The only chance McCain has is to grab the center and the unaffiliated. And Huckabee is anathema to both of them.

You are very astute. +1.

211 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:35:47am

re: #183 jorline

I agree with the disappointment.

Two choices I could trust with McCain would be Hunter Duncan or Mitt Romney.

I'm still praying he selects Romney. As the press likes to remind us, ad nauseum, McCain is old. We could get President Romney out of it.

212 jcm  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:35:49am

re: #197 faraway

My VP vote is for Sarah Palin.

Gun-totin', firebreathin', conservative beauty queen governor.

Interesting idea, would she campaign with a newborn?
Jindal would be a really good choice. I'm torn between letting him season as Gov. of LA, or putting him in the Veep slot because we need someone like him there.

213 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:35:55am

re: #194 looking closely

I deny any connection to Bobb Barr!

So do I, but really, Huckabee as Vice president?

214 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:35:57am

My grandfather was a cowboy.

You could trust him.

/I'm lookin' at you, Barack

215 pat  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:36:03am

re: #188 Sharmuta

That article seems to be a stretch. Like Novak had the concept first, then fleshed it out.

216 itellu3times  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:36:12am

re: #179 pat

I would take Condi over Huckabee any day. But why should McCain take any of the high profilers? They all come with baggage. Better a good Governor. Wonder what Pataki is doing? I personally wish he would chose Rudy. Then I could vote for Rudy.

I would NOT take Condi over Huckleberry, they are both unacceptable, and in either case I doubt I could vote for McCain - would probably abstain.

Rudy? I remember Rudy, ...

217 DistantThunder  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:36:13am

re: #194 looking closely

I deny any connection to Bobb Barr!

Bob Barr looked like a fried tomato on TV yesterday - blistering red face. Derma-peel maybe?

218 samsgran1948  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:36:20am

re: #20 Vergeltung

my Mom, a college professor, was at a luncheon for teachers yesterday, and was seated with all female, and mostly jewish colleagues. My Mom was (and almost always is) the only conservative there, in a sea of liberalism.

talk turned to politics. to a woman, they all delcared their unity with Hillary, in stark opposition to Obama, based largely on Jewish/Israeli isues and concerns with Obama and his percieved sympathy for the phakestinians, etc. she said nothing there, except the usual things, but told us all at dinner last night hoiw shocked she was at the lack of support Obama had in this regard. they will not vote for him. they did not say they would vote for McCain, but did not rule it out. that, or stay home.

I think it was very interesting, and may be quite revealing to the outcome of the Fall election.

I wonder: Is the female Jewish faculty at your mom's college the rule or the exception? It really worries me when I read about the huge percentage of Jews planning to vote for Obama in the fall.

219 Golem Akbar  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:36:24am

Big waffles is ripping us off?

220 looking closely  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:36:31am

re: #191 Nevergiveup

I disagree. They see who his advisers are and some of the code words he uses. He will get a pass.


He already has a pass. The Arab world considers Obama the closest thing to an Arab candidate that they'll likely see this generation.

Hamas has already endorsed him.

I'm actually wondering if his campaign is getting Saudi funds (let alone Iranian).

221 alegrias  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:36:33am

re: #185 coquimbojoe

* * *
Bob Barr. You've got to be kidding.
Hamas probably supports Bob Barr too.

222 jcm  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:36:34am

re: #203 soccer fan

I don't know about you guys but I am also getting tired of Israel, I have been an official registered lizard for a while now yet I still haven't received even one Zionist check yet... show me the money!

42 posts in 6 months? Ya' gotta work for it, no free lunch.

223 yochanan  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:36:41am

re: #131 Charles

If John McCain chooses Mike Huckabee as his running mate, I'm going to have a very difficult decision to make. I will not vote for Mike Huckabee under any circumstances.

huckabee doesn't do much for me eather BUT I CAN'T STAND OBAMA so i would have to hold my nose.

224 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:36:56am

re: #189 Ward Cleaver

Bob Barr?

/blink

Someone get me a sedative. Please...seriously, the whole bottle...

225 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:37:17am
226 faraway  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:37:48am

re: #208 Nevergiveup

But she is pregnant. Could be a problem.

Who would dare attack a pregnant woman?

227 MJ  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:37:49am

re: #179 pat

I would take Condi over Huckabee any day. But why should McCain take any of the high profilers? They all come with baggage. Better a good Governor. Wonder what Pataki is doing? I personally wish he would chose Rudy. Then I could vote for Rudy.

I wouldn't.
Huckabee does not understand how the bureaucracy works in Washington. Condi, on the other hand, is not much good on foregoing policy but she's a top notch inside the beltway fighter. Keep in mind that she engineered the dumping of John Bolton and of Rumsfeld.
Huckabee would have very little influence in a McCain White House. Condi would exert great influence...and dangerous influence.

228 redheadredstate  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:37:49am

Re # 200

Speaking of racism, how about 90-95% of those African/Americans voting for Obamination simply because he's got the same skin color pigmentation? Never mind the issues and how he could ruin this country vote for him because he's the same race. Poor MLK is turning over in his grave. What about judging a man on the content of his character rather than the color of his skin? Racism, it's not just for white people anymore.

229 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:37:56am

re: #188 Sharmuta

Now that's downright sick to want Obama as a plague.

230 lawhawk  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:37:56am

re: #172 ironbill

I politely disagree on the grounds that McCain needs to be earning Conservative votes at this point.

The eco-libs aren't voting "R" no mater what. Trying to placate the Left is a waste of energy. I say it speaks of bad strategy.

McCain's problem is that he's got to bolster his position with the GOP before he goes after the independents/moderates, while he's more than willing to take that bloc for granted. It could lead to a big mistake come November, given the antipathy and resentment among GOPers for him.

Putting Condi or Huckabee on the ticket would only exacerbate the problem further.

A flawed candidate indeed.

And Obama's problems are even worse. He's likely to lose the remaining string of primaries, but the media is busy anointing him. His foreign policy is Carteresque and amounts to "I'm not Bush". Meeting with terrorists isn't a problem for him (and hasn't been - ever - given his cozy ties to Ayers).

An awful candidate. Indeed.

231 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:37:59am

re: #163 MJ

The way to look at this is that we're voting for a one term President.

Every president has run for a second term since LBJ. Even worse is the possibility that McCain is a one termer and Huckabee is the vice.

232 DistantThunder  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:38:00am

I've bought a pectoral vibrator with my zionist check.

233 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:38:07am

re: #212 jcm

Interesting idea, would she campaign with a newborn?
Jindal would be a really good choice. I'm torn between letting him season as Gov. of LA, or putting him in the Veep slot because we need someone like him there.

I say season him some more. But really, is there anyone else out there that looks as good? Or is it just hype?

234 Iron Fist  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:38:09am

re: #114 Russkilitlover,

Therein lies the problem. I'm very much afraid that McCain is Bob Dole II. He doesn't want the Presidency bad enough to say mean things about Obama to get it.

235 Buster Bunny  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:38:12am

re: #203 soccer fan

I don't know about you guys but I am also getting tired of Israel, I have been an official registered lizard for a while now yet I still haven't received even one Zionist check yet... show me the money!

Yeh i have a problem with Nigerian Agencies. They keep offering me more money, even if i dont send them any !

/sux dont it?

236 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:38:32am

re: #208 Nevergiveup

But she is pregnant. Could be a problem.

She is obviously being "punished" with a child. Thanks, Barack.

237 alegrias  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:38:36am

re: #193 DistantThunder

McCain should be picking someone who can also be elected president - and Huckabee, with his almost master's degree in theology is a joke. He could only have been elected in ARkansas

* * *
OK, so who voted for and made Huckabee such a "star" in the primaries, when Mitt Romney was way better?

/still bitter Romney supporter

238 realwest  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:38:36am

re: #131 Charles Charles, I understand how you feel about Huckabee. Unfortunately if McCain is stupid enough to pick Huckabee as his running mate and you wont' vote for Huckabee that means you won't be voting for McCain either and in this election, every single vote that keeps Obama out of the White House is necessary. Necessary, IMO, for the USA to survive, necessary for Israel to survive, necessary for the World not to return to barbarism.
And what complicates matters even more is McCain's age; his VP nominee is excruciatingly critical because of that.
Still and all vote for McCain/Huckabee or Obama/who gives a damn, may be the question.
I'd have to still go with McCain.

239 jorline  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:38:40am

re: #211 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


As a small business owner I want someone with Romney's business qualifications...not a life long seasoned politician.

240 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:38:47am
241 MJ  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:38:52am

re: #227 MJ

I wouldn't.
Huckabee does not understand how the bureaucracy works in Washington. Condi, on the other hand, is not much good on foregoing policy but she's a top notch inside the beltway fighter. Keep in mind that she engineered the dumping of John Bolton and of Rumsfeld.
Huckabee would have very little influence in a McCain White House. Condi would exert great influence...and dangerous influence.

Make that "Foreign policy".

242 looking closely  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:38:52am

re: #213 coquimbojoe

So do I, but really, Huckabee as Vice president?

Again, I just don't see him as McCain's choice.

Go back to election strategy 101.

Which swing state would Huckabee help McCain carry?

/I can't think of one either. . .

243 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:38:58am
244 Alouette  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:39:05am

re: #208 Nevergiveup

But she is pregnant. Could be a problem.

She just gave birth to a son (with Down Syndrome)

245 pat  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:39:12am

re: #225 ploome hineni

I do not like Huckabee

/very strong nasty streak under shallow bonhomie

I sense that also. A bit of self-righteousness and Nanny State ism also.

246 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:39:21am

re: #217 DistantThunder

Bob Barr looked like a fried tomato on TV yesterday - blistering red face. Derma-peel maybe?

Jim Beam?

247 gop_patriot  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:39:28am

re: #179 pat

I gave you a +1, for this part:

I personally wish he would chose Rudy. Then I could vote for Rudy.

...But I don't like Condi for VP at all.

248 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:39:35am

re: #221 alegrias

* * *
Bob Barr. You've got to be kidding.
Hamas probably supports Bob Barr too.

Yeah really kidding, but if McCain picks the Huckster, I am going to have to really look around before I can pull the lever for MCCain Huck....

249 Shug  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:39:36am

Steve Forbes for Vice President

Big Dweeb is ripping us off!

250 Pyrocles  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:39:40am

The media will really try to push that "only racists won't vote for Obama" meme hardcore until November. I'd vote for a black president any day; just not Obama.

re: #200 Peacekeeper

251 Viking6  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:39:48am

BHO's circular elocutions rank him ahead of JohnF****Kerry in flip flops per waffle

252 Dianna  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:39:49am

re: #212 jcm

He needs to season. And he needs to at least make a start on fixing some of Louisianna's perennial problems. Then we can see what he's made of, and if we should back him if he runs.

253 Kenneth  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:40:07am

re: #195 coquimbojoe

Condi brings nothing to the McCain campaign. She doesn't shore up the conservative base for McCain. She has no constituency of voters. African Americans aren't going to vote for McCain instead of Obama just because of Condi. And most significantly, Condi is so closely identified with Bush and rightly or wrongly McCain needs to (respectfully) distance himself from Bush.

McCain will pick a governor or senator from a major must win state.

254 jorline  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:40:11am

re: #236 brainwizard73

She is obviously being "punished" with a child. Thanks, Barack.

LOL

255 Alouette  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:40:13am

re: #203 soccer fan

I don't know about you guys but I am also getting tired of Israel, I have been an official registered lizard for a while now yet I still haven't received even one Zionist check yet... show me the money!

You get coupons to spend at the Zionist Mall.

256 Sharmuta  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:40:18am

re: #229 Honorary Yooper

If there are people out there thinking that- it's very un-Christian of them, in my opinion, to wish harm on their country.

257 HDrepub  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:40:20am

re: #200 Peacekeeper

Obama campaign officials say such incidents are isolated, that the experience of most volunteers and staffers has been overwhelmingly positive.

This statement sort of contradicts the whole thing don't you think?
We are first led to believe it is widespread, then they say it is only isolated incidents. Do I smell a little manipulation of facts here?

258 DistantThunder  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:40:23am

re: #239 jorline

As a small business owner I want someone with Romney's business qualifications...not a life long seasoned politician.

Amen. How smart would it be to put a financial genius in charge of government spending?

259 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:40:29am

re: #212 jcm

Interesting idea, would she campaign with a newborn?
Jindal would be a really good choice. I'm torn between letting him season as Gov. of LA, or putting him in the Veep slot because we need someone like him there.

I should hope they leave Jindal in Louisiana right now. The state is a mess, and needs repair first. If he can fix at least some of Louisiana's problems, and be properly seasoned as a governor, then he'd be a great candidate for president come 2016.

260 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:40:32am
261 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:40:33am

re: #232 DistantThunder

I've bought a pectoral vibrator with my zionist check.

Kinky

262 zombie  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:40:40am

re: #243 ploome hineni

GMTA

why don;t you like Huckabee?

He combines the worst of both sides. Bombastic invasive moralism AND nanny-state paternalism and condescension.

I can't believe we're even talking about this bozo.

263 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:40:46am

re: #241 MJ

Make that "Foreign policy".

Which, lately, has been the same as foregoing policy.

/really, I thought you meant it that way and I grok it

264 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:41:19am
265 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:41:21am

re: #228 redheadredstate

Re # 200

Speaking of racism, how about 90-95% of those African/Americans voting for Obamination simply because he's got the same skin color pigmentation? Never mind the issues and how he could ruin this country vote for him because he's the same race. Poor MLK is turning over in his grave. What about judging a man on the content of his character rather than the color of his skin? Racism, it's not just for white people anymore.

We need to get out the slogan:
Don't vote for a man because of the color of skin
Vote for the color of his ideas.
And Obama's ideas are Communist Red.

266 Cognito  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:41:22am

re: #250 Pyrocles

The media will really try to push that "only racists won't vote for Obama" meme hardcore until November. I'd vote for a black president any day; just not Obama.

I'm forming a search party now to go find J.C. Watts. He's missing, and some of us are worried.

267 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:41:24am

re: #244 Alouette

She just gave birth to a son (with Down Syndrome)

My heart and best wishes got out to her and her family.

268 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:41:35am

re: #253 Kenneth

Condi brings nothing to the McCain campaign. She doesn't shore up the conservative base for McCain. She has no constituency of voters. African Americans aren't going to vote for McCain instead of Obama just because of Condi. And most significantly, Condi is so closely identified with Bush and rightly or wrongly McCain needs to (respectfully) distance himself from Bush.

McCain will pick a governor or senator from a major must win state.

I agree totally. Given the choice between Huckabee and Condi: Condi.

269 Kenneth  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:41:47am

re: #216 itellu3times

Rudy & McCain in the same room... wow, talk about tempers and friction. Two great men, but not likely to get along well together.

270 Sharmuta  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:42:40am

re: #238 realwest

Sorry, but with the Electoral College the only votes mccain needs are the battleground states. One vote in a deep blue state is not going to turn this election.

271 Ben Hur  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:42:44am

re: #122 Bob in Breckenridge

Interesting word- Softist. First time I've heard it.

I do beleive that I've coined it.

272 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:42:52am
273 MJ  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:43:00am

re: #231 Neo Con since 9-11

Every president has run for a second term since LBJ. Even worse is the possibility that McCain is a one termer and Huckabee is the vice.

Yes, they do run...but they also lose. Witness Carter and Bush I.
There would be no guarantee that Huckabee would get the Pres. nomination if McCain is a one termer and Huckabee was his VP.

274 looking closely  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:43:26am

re: #250 Pyrocles

The media will really try to push that "only racists won't vote for Obama" meme hardcore until November. I'd vote for a black president any day; just not Obama.

I'd vote for a Black candidate the day he (or she) was the superior candidate in that race.

Someone asked me the same thing about Hillary Clinton, didn't I want to see a woman in the White House. My answer "not that woman".

On this, I side with Geraldine Ferraro (who again, has earned the right to make such statements). Obama is *only* where he is because of his perceived race. Take a white candidate with Obama's CV and record and replace Obama's candidacy with that hypothetical candidate, and Clinton would have wiped the floor with him months ago.

275 yma o hyd  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:43:30am

re: #131 Charles

If John McCain chooses Mike Huckabee as his running mate, I'm going to have a very difficult decision to make. I will not vote for Mike Huckabee under any circumstances.

Isn't there anything you all could do so this doesn't happen?

276 zombie  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:43:46am

re: #269 Kenneth

Rudy & McCain in the same room... wow, talk about tempers and friction.

Yes, but it'd be an inxpensive way to upgrade our nuclear arsenal. They'd reach critical mass in three seconds.

Can you imagine the threat? "Do what we say or we'll launch a warhead containing McCain and Giuliani!"

277 Sharmuta  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:43:47am

re: #269 Kenneth

Rudy & McCain in the same room... wow, talk about tempers and friction. Two great men, but not likely to get along well together.

See- that's why it could work. Rudy would get sent off to baby-sit the Senate.

278 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:43:51am

re: #268 coquimbojoe

I agree totally. Given the choice between Huckabee and Condi: Condi.

I choose 3; Secession and the formation of Kragaristan

279 faraway  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:43:52am

If you Google sarah palin right now, I don't think that's her picture with the helmet.

280 alegrias  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:43:53am

re: #226 faraway

Who would dare attack a pregnant woman?

* * *
She'd be up with an infant at 3am to answer phones...

281 Opinionated  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:43:55am

Dear Barack,

Thought I would drop you a line to give you a clue why Hamas are rooting for you to win and staff the White House.

Look behind you. Look to the side. Look to the other side. Look in front of you. Check your Christmas card list.

Notice all those people who are your friends, supporters, advisers, contributors and even that woman there, your wife.

They don't like Israel. And you know what, some aren't all that crazy about the US.

Sincerely.

282 jorline  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:44:13am

re: #258 DistantThunder

Amen. How smart would it be to put a financial genius in charge of government spending?


He's got my vote.

Dream list cabinet...
1. John Bolton; Secretary of State

283 maddogg  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:44:46am

With all of the nasty talk here about Huckabee (who I know personally) and how he couldn't get elected anywhere but Arkansas (where I live) Many here sure have done a great job of picking out who the voters would vote for in the primaries. Please, continue with your enlightened voter analysis...

284 Kenneth  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:44:57am

re: #251 Viking6

Note Obama's standard reaction to criticism:

Step 1: Deny the charge.
Step 2: Accuse opposition of "unfairness" (ie. racism).
Step 3: Make excuses, while dodging responsibility.
Step 4: Move on.

Repeat as necessary.

285 Silhouette  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:45:01am

re: #200 Peacekeeper

I beg leave to doubt all their stories, but I don't doubt that some of what they report is true. This is the first time I've heard of anyone NOT voting for Obama because of race, and I'll weigh it against the 10,000 quotes of people who are voting FOR him because of his race.

The story doesn't say whether these bigots that are quoted would elsewise vote for Hillary or McCain. Either they don't know, or the answer isn't one that fits with the action the journalist is trying to take.

But this incident, the only example given of anything beyond mere insults, doesn't give any evidence that it was inspired by racism. None. In fact, the comments against the racist Rev. Wright and Hamas would indicate the vandals were outraged at racism. And outraged at Obama's anti-religious bigotry.

The bigotry has gone beyond words. In Vincennes, the Obama campaign office was vandalized at 2 a.m. on the eve of the primary, according to police. A large plate-glass window was smashed, an American flag stolen. Other windows were spray-painted with references to Obama's controversial former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and other political messages: "Hamas votes BHO" and "We don't cling to guns or religion. Goddamn Wright."
286 realwest  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:45:07am

re: #192 Kosh's Shadow
"I went to McCain's website last weekend, the front page had a "blog roll" with links to three blogs - and LGF was one of them."
WOW! Do you think that means someone on McCain's staff is actually reading LGF?!

287 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:45:26am

re: #239 jorline

As a small business owner I want someone with Romney's business qualifications...not a life long seasoned politician.

Romney would also pull Michigan further into McCain's orbit, maybe even grabbing some other Midwestern votes while he's at it. This would make Obama an even tougher sell in a state which is a little pissy with him over his Ford Granada comments. Couple that with Kwame's implosion and Jenny's incompetance, and you have a pretty good storm for real change whipped up.

288 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:45:45am

I think McCain will select Mitt Romney.

289 Kenneth  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:45:46am

re: #268 coquimbojoe

I agree totally. Given the choice between Huckabee and Condi: Condi.

Neither.

290 pat  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:45:46am

re: #277 Sharmuta

Exactly. The best way to deal with a competent VP is give him an agenda that both believe in. Remember Gore was the funeral director for Clinton, where he demonstrated his greatest attribute, perfect attendance.

291 redheadredstate  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:45:49am

I would vote for Alan Keys for POTUS in a NY minute and the last time I looked he had the same color pigmentation as Obamination. It isn't the color, it's the brains inside the package that count with me.

292 big L  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:46:18am

16 distant thunder-- that's right! it is code to the hamasniks. Gad Obama is such an effer turncoat. Watch for an Obama-staged attack next.That'll really shut everyone including M'Cain up. Not that the GOP or M'Cain was going to campaign against Obama anyhow.

293 Widow'smight  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:46:24am

re: #92 MJ

Well the do have those BAT mitzvah thingies flying around.

294 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:46:25am

re: #278 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I choose 3; Secession and the formation of Kragaristan


Will there be guns, fishing and BBQ allowed there? If so, sign me up for and acre.

295 Dianna  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:46:27am

re: #272 taxfreekiller

Obama.

That's all.

296 Iron Fist  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:46:36am

re: #266 Cognito,

I always thought that JC Watts would be the first Black President. His more or less dropping out of politics was quite the dissappointment to me.

297 pat  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:46:36am

re: #284 Kenneth

Note Obama's standard reaction to criticism:

Repeat as necessary.

But is so eloquent!

298 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:46:40am

re: #269 Kenneth

Rudy & McCain in the same room... wow, talk about tempers and friction. Two great men, but not likely to get along well together.

I suspect we'll see these two running for NY Governor in 2010. Probably going to be the most watched governors race ever.

299 looking closely  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:46:43am

re: #273 MJ

Yes, they do run...but they also lose. Witness Carter and Bush I.
There would be no guarantee that Huckabee would get the Pres. nomination if McCain is a one termer and Huckabee was his VP.


True, but he *would* be the natural incumbent.

If McCain were forced to leave office before his term was up, Huckabee would be the ACTUAL incumbent. You never know. . .

In this particular case, because of McCain's age, the VP choice is more important than usually.

300 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:46:44am

re: #228 redheadredstate

Re # 200

Speaking of racism, how about 90-95% of those African/Americans voting for Obamination simply because he's got the same skin color pigmentation? Never mind the issues and how he could ruin this country vote for him because he's the same race. Poor MLK is turning over in his grave. What about judging a man on the content of his character rather than the color of his skin? Racism, it's not just for white people anymore.

/Haven't you heard? Only white people can be racist.

301 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:46:46am

re: #291 redheadredstate

I would vote for Alan Keys for POTUS in a NY minute and the last time I looked he had the same color pigmentation as Obamination. It isn't the color, it's the brains inside the package that count with me.

Now you're just being liberalaphobic

302 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:46:56am

re: #290 pat

Exactly. The best way to deal with a competent VP is give him an agenda that both believe in. Remember Gore was the funeral director for Clinton, where he demonstrated his greatest attribute, perfect attendance.

There is a joke there, but if I get the stick, what will I do with my free time?

303 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:47:10am
304 faraway  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:47:11am

Sarah Palin on Arctic National Wildlife Refuge :

President Bush is right. Here in Alaska and across the nation, communities are feeling the pinch of high energy costs. It is absurd that we are borrowing hundreds of billions of dollars from one foreign country to buy oil from another. It is a threat to our national security and economic well-being. It is well past time for America to develop our own supplies
305 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:47:26am

re: #298 unrealizedviewpoint

I suspect we'll see these two running for NY Governor in 2010. Probably going to be the most watched governors race ever.

sorry, I'm thinking Hillary & Rudy.

duh.

306 stevieray  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:47:37am

re: #274 looking closely

I'd vote for a Black candidate the day he (or she) was the superior candidate in that race.

Someone asked me the same thing about Hillary Clinton, didn't I want to see a woman in the White House. My answer "not that woman".

On this, I side with Geraldine Ferraro (who again, has earned the right to make such statements). Obama is *only* where he is because of his perceived race. Take a white candidate with Obama's CV and record and replace Obama's candidacy with that hypothetical candidate, and Clinton would have wiped the floor with him months ago.

She already did. His name was Edwards. He's a leftwing lightweight like Obama, and got about as much traction as a lightweight deserves. The only difference between the two is the self-righteous feeling of moral superiority voting across racial lines brings to the typical democrat.

307 Russkilitlover  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:47:39am

re: #131 Charles

If John McCain chooses Mike Huckabee as his running mate, I'm going to have a very difficult decision to make. I will not vote for Mike Huckabee under any circumstances.

You won't have to worry about it. That's the losingest ticket since Dukakis and Ferraro!

308 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:47:44am

re: #271 Ben Hur

I do beleive that I've coined it.

I googled it, and it seems to be a foreign word similar to "software".

309 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:47:52am

9/11 suspect charges dropped

Lawyers for the defendant say they believe the charges were dropped because he "was tortured" under interrogation.
The decision could have implications for the other five suspects, whose lawyers claim that similar treatment was meted out to them...

What does that mean, "Lawyers for the defendant say they believe the charges were dropped..."? They don't even know why the charges were dropped? What?

310 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:48:08am

re: #289 Kenneth

Neither.

Yes, yes, but if you had to pick one? (I know it is too horrible to contemplate, but since we are masochists here....)

311 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:48:16am

re: #286 realwest

"I went to McCain's website last weekend, the front page had a "blog roll" with links to three blogs - and LGF was one of them."
WOW! Do you think that means someone on McCain's staff is actually reading LGF?!

Probably at least looking here, but I wish they'd tell McCain to start acting in a way that makes people WANT to vote FOR him instead of against Osama, er, Obama.

312 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:48:18am

re: #309 bosforus

Link. Sorry.

313 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:48:21am

re: #294 coquimbojoe

Will there be guns, fishing and BBQ allowed there? If so, sign me up for and acre.

Of course. Gun Ownership will be a requirement for citizenship.

314 alegrias  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:48:22am

re: #234 Iron Fist

,

Therein lies the problem. I'm very much afraid that McCain is Bob Dole II. He doesn't want the Presidency bad enough to say mean things about Obama to get it.

* * *
When Bob Dole ran for president, there wasn't (we weren't aware there was) a worldwide WOT we had to win. We ignored fighting this war others declared against us.

Democrats, independents and un-alligned folks who WON'T vote for Warmongering McCain are acting like it's 1999 and good times, instead of 2008.

315 Roger  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:48:25am

re: #288 Ringo the Gringo

I think McCain will select Mitt Romney.

No way. He owes Huckabee.

316 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:48:46am

re: #266 Cognito

I'm forming a search party now to go find J.C. Watts. He's missing, and some of us are worried.

If you find Walter Williams on your way can you tell him we need him?

317 Kenneth  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:48:52am

re: #276 zombie

McCain/Gulliani....that's the very reason you never see Yosemite Sam and the Tasmanian Devil in the same cartoon. Too dangerous.

318 Opinionated  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:49:14am

re: #239 jorline

As a small business owner I want someone with Romney's business qualifications...not a life long seasoned politician.

As a tax payer, I want someone who imagines a better way.

Potus- McCain
VP- Giuliani
SOS - Bolton
SOD- Duncan Hunter
Sec of Treasury- Steve Forbes

One can dream.

319 Sharmuta  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:49:24am

I think Rudy would be a great choice for VP.

1) He's a known- the mccain people would not have to waste time introducing him to the American public.

2) He brings NY into play.

3) He has a broad appeal to a wide array of the political spectrum, from security-moms to moderates to democrats.

4) He has executive experience.

320 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:49:32am
321 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:49:34am

re: #296 Iron Fist

,

I always thought that JC Watts would be the first Black President. His more or less dropping out of politics was quite the dissappointment to me.

I think he will be back. He is doing business and running a non-profit. My knees go wobbly thinking of him running with that kind of experience. Tingley even.

322 Russkilitlover  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:49:41am

re: #135 zombie

We have to physically push McCain across the finish line. And no one but us will do anything to stop Obama.blockquote>

Why does the phrase "you can lead a horse to water...." come to mind?

323 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:49:50am

re: #317 Kenneth

McCain/Gulliani....that's the very reason you never see Yosemite Sam and the Tasmanian Devil in the same cartoon. Too dangerous.

I thought that is why you never see Bill and Hilliary at the same event?

324 realwest  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:49:53am

re: #270 Sharmuta Sigh. Yeah, I know.
This is the worst election in terms of (likely) candidates in my entire lifetime.
Damnit.

325 stead63  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:49:55am

re: #265 Kosh's Shadow

We need to get out the slogan:
Don't vote for a man because of the color of skin
Vote for the color of his ideas.
And Obama's ideas are Communist Red.


AMEN!

326 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:50:07am
327 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:50:13am

re: #315 Roger

No way. He owes Huckabee.

It depends on what McCain think "owes" mean. Political expediency can be such a bitch in an election. Ask Rev. Wright.

328 pat  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:50:19am

The McCain Romney polling data shows that it is the worst GOP ticket. Not sure why. Romney seems like a very smart, straight shooter.

329 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:50:53am

re: #328 pat

The McCain Romney polling data shows that it is the worst GOP ticket. Not sure why. Romney seems like a very smart, straight shooter.

That's too bad. I would really like to see that ticket.

330 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:51:09am
331 pat  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:51:45am

re: #320 ploome hineni

He is also a great speech giver, has a wonderful wife who appears with him all the time, and both honestly like to meet people.

332 big L  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:52:02am

68faraway-- there you go the answer to m'cain being GWB third term....

333 Sharmuta  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:52:08am

re: #324 realwest

Sigh. Yeah, I know.
This is the worst election in terms of (likely) candidates in my entire lifetime.
Damnit.

Mine too, realwest. Frankly- I still might leave that section of my ballot blank. We'll see how it plays out in my state.

334 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:52:18am

re: #328 pat

The McCain Romney polling data shows that it is the worst GOP ticket. Not sure why. Romney seems like a very smart, straight shooter.

re: #329 bosforus

That's too bad. I would really like to see that ticket.

I'd like to see it too, but let's face it the Mormonism thing is still gonna be a problem. If he were an Episcopalian, forget it he'd be in.

335 Ojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:52:41am

re: #154 zombie

Spock Yoda '08

336 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:52:48am
337 alegrias  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:52:57am

re: #262 zombie

He combines the worst of both sides. Bombastic invasive moralism AND nanny-state paternalism and condescension.

I can't believe we're even talking about this bozo.

* * *
Huckabee's squirrel cooking in a popcorn popper was really talked about here! He made people laugh & feel good, like Obama, only unlike Rev. Wright, he was a real Baptist minister.

(but I still prefer Romney)

338 Kenneth  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:53:04am

re: #306 stevieray

...and Edwards has nicer hair. Don't forget the hair.

339 Sharmuta  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:53:08am

re: #330 taxfreekiller

Two liberal R's = D's running the show from Congress and Senate

Better than two marxists.

340 Opinionated  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:53:09am

re: #319 Sharmuta

I think Rudy would be a great choice for VP.

1) He's a known- the mccain people would not have to waste time introducing him to the American public.

2) He brings NY into play.

3) He has a broad appeal to a wide array of the political spectrum, from security-moms to moderates to democrats.

4) He has executive experience.

I agree with you, although it seems an unconventional choice right now to many.

I think it would help with the Jewish vote, as you said, put Blue States in play, and might very likely assure a McCain victory.

341 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:53:33am

re: #315 Roger

No way. He owes Huckabee.

The Huckster can have a cabinet post.

/Maybe Secretary of Weight Loss.

342 Dad O' Blondes  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:53:48am

Exactly what is "cowboy diplomacy"?

Is there something wrong with "cowboy diplomacy"?

I think the good, old-fashioned ass-kicking administered to Saddam and the Taliban was perfectly good diplomacy. And what "nuanced" response would have been "better" after what happened on 9/11?

I'll take a cowboy, any day.

.

343 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:53:53am

re: #327 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It depends on what McCain think "owes" mean. Political expediency can be such a bitch in an election. Ask Rev. Wright.

For better or worse, I don't think McCain thinks he "owes" anybody anything anytime. That word is not in his vocabulary. The only thing he "owes" is loyalty to his country. That at least would make him worthy of the Office Of The Presidency of The United States of America. Unlike someone else.

344 looking closely  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:54:09am

re: #283 maddogg

With all of the nasty talk here about Huckabee (who I know personally) and how he couldn't get elected anywhere but Arkansas (where I live) Many here sure have done a great job of picking out who the voters would vote for in the primaries. Please, continue with your enlightened voter analysis...


Actually I picked Clinton here as a loser over a year ago when people were saying she was the "inevitable" next President. I also picked Huckabee, Ron Paul, and Fred Thompson as losers months ago.

I admit I thought Giuliani had a chance. . .and I still think he might have done better but for a flawed election strategy.

None of which means squat.

Huckabee is a poor candidate for the simple reason I listed above. . .he won't help McCain swing any swing states.

McCain, not being a complete political idiot, knows this.

Case closed there.

Which doesn't mean that there can't be a role for Huckabee in a McCain administration, but I don't see him as the VP, with multiple better choices out there.

345 Opinionated  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:54:16am

re: #317 Kenneth

McCain/Gulliani...Too dangerous.

Only to enemies of the United States.

346 Sharmuta  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:54:34am

re: #343 Nevergiveup

For better or worse, I don't think McCain thinks he "owes" anybody anything anytime. That word is not in his vocabulary. The only thing he "owes" is loyalty to his country. That at least would make him worthy of the Office Of The Presidency of The United States of America. Unlike someone else.

Yep- he's a maverick, damnit!

347 faraway  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:54:38am

Sarah Palin gave birth to her 5th child in April:

Trig is beautiful and already adored by us. We knew through early testing he would face special challenges, and we feel privileged that God would entrust us with this gift and allow us unspeakable joy as he entered our lives. We have faith that every baby is created for good purpose and has potential to make this world a better place. We are truly blessed.

Doesn't sound like she thinks America is mean.

She doesn't sound bitter.

348 amphibian  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:54:53am
as long as they’re not confused about my unyielding support for Israel’s security

I'm not confused. If Ears had not made the "festering running sore" comments yesterday, I still wouldn't be confused. And I don't think that anyone at LGF is confused, either.

Isn't it nice how no one is confused about this?

349 AuntAcid  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:54:58am

BHO and his ilk would the perfect political maggots to clean the festering wound that he calls Israel.

350 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:55:07am

To follow the "Israel is a sore" thread of last night (and also somewhat related to this one), I thought everyone might be interested to see what Goldberg, the interviewer, had to say about that idea. In the quote below, he is reacting to John Boehner, who shared the interpretation of Obama's remarks that headlined the thread. First, Goldberg's bio:

Jeffrey Goldberg is a National Correspondent of The Atlantic. Before joining The Atlantic in 2007, he was Middle East correspondent, and Washington correspondent, for the New Yorker. Previously, he served as a correspondent for the New York Times Magazine, and New York Magazine. He has also written for the Forward, and was a columnist for The Jerusalem Post.

His book Prisoners has been hailed as one of the best books of 2006 by the Los Angeles Times, the New York Times, the Washington Post, Slate Magazine, the Progressive, Washingtonian Magazine, and Playboy. Goldberg is the recipient of the 2003 National Magazine Award for Reporting for his coverage of Islamic terrorism. He is also the winner of the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists prize for best international investigative journalist; the Overseas Press Club award for best human rights reporting; and the Abraham Cahan Prize in Journalism. He is also the recipient of 2005's Anti-Defamation League Daniel Pearl Prize.

In 2001, Goldberg was appointed the Syrkin Fellow in Letters of the Jerusalem Foundation and was appointed in 2002 to be a public policy scholar at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington, D.C.

Now, here's what he had to say about the "Israel is a sore" interpretation.

A press release from House Republican leader John Boehner asserts that Barack Obama told me that Israel is a "constant sore" that infects American foreign policy. "Israel is a critical American ally and a beacon of democracy in the Middle East, not a `constant sore' as Barack Obama claims," Boehner's statement reads.

Mr. Boehner, I'm sure, is a terribly busy man, with many burdensome responsibilities, so I have to assume that he simply didn't have time to read the entire Obama interview, or even the entire paragraph, or even a single clause. If he had, of course, he would have seen that Obama was clearly calling the Middle East conflict, and not Israel, a sore. Why, there's no one who would disagree that the Middle East conflict is a "sore," is there?

I have no doubt that Mr. Boehner will issue a correction to his press release in which he states the obvious, which is that Obama expressed -- in twelve different ways -- his support for Israel to me.

If he doesn't, however, I would, sadly, have to agree with my colleague, the less-forgiving Andrew Sullivan, who called Boehner's statement a "flat-out lie." In fact, I would add to Andrew's post, by calling Boehner's statement mendacious, duplicitous, gross, and comically refutable. So Mr. Boehner, do the right thing, and correct the record. I'll be happy to post the correction right here.

351 Cognito  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:55:43am

Apparently I'm the only rube around who's not wholly angered by Mike Huckabee. No, I don't agree with every idea in his head, but I think he's a decent guy with a decent following among voters.

352 mean Gene  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:55:43am
As he came in from the cold and took off his coat, I [Ali Abunimah] went up to greet him. He responded warmly, and volunteered, "Hey, I'm sorry I haven't said more about Palestine right now, but we are in a tough primary race. I'm hoping when things calm down I can be more up front." He referred to my activism, including columns I was contributing to the The Chicago Tribune critical of Israeli and US policy, "Keep up the good work!"

From:
How Barack Obama learned to love Israel
[Link: electronicintifada.net...]

353 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:55:52am

re: #330 taxfreekiller

Two liberal R's = D's running the show from Congress and Senate

If Republicans can generate a large enough sentiment that McCain is a liberal then he would no longer be able to use the "reaching across the aisle" lie as an excuse for working with Dems and he would be forced to either leave the GOP or get his bearings straight.

354 Ojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:55:59am

re: #228 redheadredstate

This ceaseless panting after a few grams of melanin is madness.

355 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:55:59am

re: #347 faraway

Sarah Palin gave birth to her 5th child in April:


Doesn't sound like she thinks America is mean.

She doesn't sound bitter.

If McCain picks her, she has my support.

356 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:56:19am
357 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:56:26am

re: #272 taxfreekiller

On McCain.

So what the hell keeps the man from being a 100% dumb ass schmuck?

At least two things: Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama.

358 maddogg  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:56:32am

re: #344 looking closely

I am not a Huckabee supporter, he is far too liberal for my tastes, as is McCain, But he isn't the nasty sumbitch he's being depicted here either.

359 Lively  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:56:35am

If it's Barry in the WH:

Who will be the officiating minister at the Pres swearing-in ceremony. Billy Graham is gettin too old.

/maybe Rev. Carter?

360 realwest  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:56:42am

re: #328 pat I'd bet it's because Romney is a Mormon.

361 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:56:46am
362 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:56:48am

re: #334 coquimbojoe

Yup, it's a problem and people can't even give a reason why it's a problem. Or rather, they won't give a reason.

363 zombie  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:57:14am

re: #135 zombie

Seriously, it's all up to us at this point. We have to physically push McCain across the finish line.

This is the image I was thinking of when I wrote that:

Officials helping collapsing Italian marathoner cross the finish line in the 1908 Olympics.

Same moment, different angle.

McCain is the runner. We're the guys on either side of him.

364 bbuddha  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:57:33am

This is the scariest election I've been old enough to vote in. If McCain is elected the republican party is toast; they will know that they can do anything they want and not be held accountable at the ballot box. If Barack wins I think the country may be toast. I don't trust that man at all. If he was just inexperienced OK but that isn't the only problem. He is Muslim, I don't care what he says now. The endorsement by CAIR and Hamas for an apparent apostate shows that for a lie. We can NOT trust a Muslim in the white house. Or maybe I'm just paranoid.

365 redheadredstate  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:57:42am

Two things I've never understood:

1. the jury nullification of OJ Simpson

2. liberal Jews

Both have damaged their own people almost as much as any enemy.

366 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:57:44am

re: #361 ploome hineni

I like ROmney

and he has nice hair

Hiya Ploome, how are you today?

367 lawhawk  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:57:47am

Maybe Obama can put that keen intellect to work to figure out how to get the folks behind the terror attack in Jaipur to dig him. Or the Islamists in Somalia who continue to ring up a civilian body count.

368 Dianna  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:57:56am

Nap time.

Take care, lizards.

369 Cognito  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:58:06am

re: #350 JustMyView

I agree with all that.

370 Charles  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:58:28am

I'm not "angered" by Mike Huckabee. I just will not vote for him.

371 Lively  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:58:35am

re: #323 Nevergiveup

I thought that is why you never see Bill and Hilliary at the same event?

No, it's more like Batman and Bruce Wayne.

372 Roger  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:58:35am

re: #328 pat

The McCain Romney polling data shows that it is the worst GOP ticket. Not sure why. Romney seems like a very smart, straight shooter.

Who is doing the polling?

373 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:58:41am
374 Diamond Bullet  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:58:57am

The fact that the Democratic Party thinks this anti-semitic Marxist and his racist wife are a dream ticket is really all we need to know. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if FDR's memorial and headstone have self-immolated any mention of Democratic party affiliation, much like the Ark of the Covenant burnt off the Nazi seal placed on its box in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

375 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:59:05am
376 Opinionated  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:59:10am

re: #350 JustMyView

Someone ask Obama why the "sore" never heals?

Didn't Israel try to heal it at Camp David?

Didn't Israel try to heal it with OSLO?

Didn't Israel try to heal it as Wye River?

Didn't Israel try to heal it by surrendering Gaza?

Other attempts.

Why doesn't the sore heal? Ever!

Who's at fault? I dare Obama to answer the question he opened.

377 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:59:31am
378 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:59:38am

re: #350 JustMyView

It still plays into the view that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the source of all the instability in the Middle East. With out going into a long dissertation, I will only say BULLSHIT. It goes along with the left's other myths.

379 Sharmuta  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:59:50am

#356

Hey! I'm on your side here. This election makes me sick. But do you mind using people's names, or maybe the reply/quote function?

380 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:00:01am

re: #361 ploome hineni

I like ROmney

and he has nice hair

Is he not just a tad too pretty?
He needs muss his hair, open his collar.

381 venezuela lover  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:00:11am

Statements of support from Hamas are one thing. What I want to know is how much financial support Obama receives from Arabs countries and their representatives in the U.S. I bet a significant amount of cash is being directed to Obama from the Middle East. Of course it all goes to small donors first who then transfer it to Obama campaign or to other organizations that indirectly support Obama.

The Saudi's believe that they can buy the U.S. gov't anytime.

/JustSaying

382 NoSubmission  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:00:12am

re: #15 Ward Cleaver

And he went to a secular madrassa!


Is there such a thing?

383 Ben Hur  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:00:17am

Can't I just eat my falafel?

384 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:00:29am
385 Peacekeeper  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:00:36am

re: #260 ploome hineni

NONE OF YOUR BEES WAX! THAT'S WHAT!

386 gop_patriot  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:00:36am

re: #351 Cognito

I live in Arkansas now, and voted for Huckabee for Gov. The alternative was much worse. He did a pretty good job, and is very likable. Not a monster.

On the other hand, I don't think he's POTUS material, at all, and I much prefer Rudy to him. :)

387 Lively  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:00:52am

re: #365 redheadredstate

Two things I've never understood:

1. the jury nullification of OJ Simpson

2. liberal Jews

Both have damaged their own people almost as much as any enemy.

But, I heard OJ was out looking for the real killer.

388 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:01:30am

re: #387 Lively

But, I heard OJ was out looking for the real killer.

Shit, even liberal Jews think OJ is guilty.

389 Ben Hur  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:02:16am

BBL

390 Ojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:02:16am

re: #388 Nevergiveup

T shirt I saw

drink apple juice because OJ will kill you

391 Silhouette  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:02:49am

re: #376 Opinionated

Someone ask Obama why the "sore" never heals?

Times neighboring countries tried to obliterate Israel = 3.

Times Israel tried to obliterate neighboring countries = 0

I'm sensing a pattern here. Oh, and:
Times individuals and groups tried to obliterate Israel = too many to count, daily.

392 Cognito  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:03:14am

re: #390 Ojoe

T shirt I saw

drink apple juice because OJ will kill you

That really hit my funny bone. It's just so short and to the point.

393 cod_is_great  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:03:17am

I guess McCain doesn't get the nuances of murderous mouse child propaganda.

394 Charles  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:03:30am

re: #350 JustMyView

I expected nothing less -- because Goldberg and The Atlantic are totally in the tank for Barack Obama. The interview was intended to be a hagiography, but when Obama starts to depart from his talking points he invariably lets his real feelings slip out.

And yes, sure, he can argue that he was talking about the "conflict," and not Israel specifically. What a shock, a politician who knows how to use weasel words.

In my opinion, what happened with that statement is very much like a Freudian slip. You may be willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt, despite his friendships with Ali Abunimah and Rashid Khalidi, but that's because you're already an Obama supporter.

395 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:04:10am
396 NoSubmission  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:04:11am

re: #71 zombie

Y'know, there was a girl walking around the Nakba-60 festival registering people to vote, and she had an Obama sticker on her clipboard. I didn't take a picture, not thinking it was noteworthy, but now I'm regretting it.


I know that feeling well.

397 Kenneth  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:04:32am

re: #320 ploome hineni

I think JC Watts is waaaaaaaaaaaaay too slick

ewwwwwww

now Michael Steel, is smart, charming, and drop dead georgous

...but is he "tingle up the leg" gorgeous?

398 realwest  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:04:34am

re: #333 Sharmuta I would, but speaking very candidly here, I'd vote for almost anyone before I'd vote for (or stay home and not vote thereby enabling the election of) Obama.

It's simpler to me (perhaps because I'm simple) vote for McCain/whomever or don't vote and possibly enable Obama, who DOESN'T LIKE AMERICA AND WHO DOESN'T RESPECT AMERICA to become POTUS and leader of the Free World.

399 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:04:43am

re: #376 Opinionated

Someone ask Obama why the "sore" never heals?

Didn't Israel try to heal it at Camp David?

Didn't Israel try to heal it with OSLO?

Didn't Israel try to heal it as Wye River?

Didn't Israel try to heal it by surrendering Gaza?

Other attempts.

Why doesn't the sore heal? Ever!

Who's at fault? I dare Obama to answer the question he opened.

My post wasn't to defend the Palestinians. It was to correct the record as to what Obama said and how it was interpreted here.

400 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:04:44am

re: #365 redheadredstate

Two things I've never understood:

1. the jury nullification of OJ Simpson

2. liberal Jews

Both have damaged their own people almost as much as any enemy.


Why Jews Vote the Way They Do

How I helped OJ Get Away With Murder

401 Silhouette  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:05:03am

re: #388 Nevergiveup

Shit, even liberal Jews think OJ is guilty.

I think half the jury thought he was guilty, but felt it "evened things out a bit" for one guy to get off since so many others were imprisoned unjustly.

402 madisonsfriend  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:05:09am

re: #378 Nevergiveup

It still plays into the view that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the source of all the instability in the Middle East. With out going into a long dissertation, I will only say BULLSHIT. It goes along with the left's other myths.

But, you mean Israel isn't the cause of all Islamic terrorism everywhere? I know Dawn, Answer and Code pink told me that- they wouldn't lie!

403 Russkilitlover  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:05:25am

re: #351 Cognito

Apparently I'm the only rube around who's not wholly angered by Mike Huckabee. No, I don't agree with every idea in his head, but I think he's a decent guy with a decent following among voters.

He's probably a very decent guy. He's just not a good political choice Putting him on the ticket puts the Dems in the White House. In a landslide.

404 alegrias  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:05:32am

re: #269 Kenneth

Rudy & McCain in the same room... wow, talk about tempers and friction. Two great men, but not likely to get along well together.

* * *
McCain & Rudy were friendly going back at least to 1999, when Rudy sent a police escort to guide McCain's Presidential Announcement Straight Talk Buses through the tunnel from Hoboken to New York City during rush hour! That's amore, my friends.

405 Roger  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:05:40am

re: #390 Ojoe

T shirt I saw

drink apple juice because OJ will kill you


----

''The only people that have to be upset about O.J. Simpson must be the Florida citrus growers. They would pay him any money if he would just change his name to Snapple Simpson.'' -- Paul Rodriguez
406 Ojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:05:45am

re: #401 Silhouette

Great, a dangerous guy gets to walk down the street

407 lawhawk  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:05:48am

re: #395 buzzsawmonkey

Their boil is perpetually set to whine and seethe.

408 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:05:51am
409 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:05:51am

re: #394 Charles

I expected nothing less -- because Goldberg and The Atlantic are totally in the tank for Barack Obama. The interview was intended to be a hagiography, but when Obama starts to depart from his talking points he invariably lets his real feelings slip out.

And yes, sure, he can argue that he was talking about the "conflict," and not Israel specifically. What a shock, a politician who knows how to use weasel words.

In my opinion, what happened with that statement is very much like a Freudian slip. You may be willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt, despite his friendships with Ali Abunimah and Rashid Khalidi, but that's because you're already an Obama supporter.

And I will repeat again, it is very important NOT to let the left get away with the myth that the Arab-Israeli conflict is the source of all the problems in the Middle East. Does the name Jimmy Carter ring a bell. DING DING DING

410 madisonsfriend  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:06:34am

re: #397 Kenneth

Don't like him- don't like people who use dirty campaign tricks. Not all politicians do -although most politicians are dirty.

411 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:06:45am

re: #408 ploome hineni

OK, but he's gonna look funny chopping wood in a suit...

/

412 MandyManners  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:06:52am

I'm tempted to go live in a cave for the next seven months. I'll pop out after the election to see who wins, and if it isn't McCain, I'll pop right back into my cave.

413 faraway  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:06:53am

Sarah Palin
Food: mooseburgers
Sport: Point guard for state basketball champ, snowmobiling
Looks: Miss Alaska
Spouse: commercial fisherman
Bonus: NRA member, oldest son joined the Army, pro-life, opposes same-sex marriage

Obama
Food: waffles, arugula
Sport: basketball, bowling
Looks: those ears
Spouse: elite lawyer

414 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:06:57am
415 Silhouette  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:07:02am

re: #406 Ojoe

Great, a dangerous guy gets to walk down the street

Not down their street, so they weren't worried.

416 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:07:09am

re: #405 Roger

I noticed Starburst also changed their slogan around the same time of the trial. Their slogan at the time, IIRC was:
The Juice is Loose

417 formercorpsman  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:07:21am

re: #375 buzzsawmonkey

Gem.

418 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:07:26am

re: #384 ploome hineni

fine thanks, how you doing?

:D

I'm here, I'm fine. Contemplating Huckabee, bleeeeaaach!

419 Sharmuta  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:07:26am

re: #399 JustMyView

There's no record correction needed- it was a direct quote.

420 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:08:00am

re: #394 Charles

I expected nothing less -- because Goldberg and The Atlantic are totally in the tank for Barack Obama. The interview was intended to be a hagiography, but when Obama starts to depart from his talking points he invariably lets his real feelings slip out.

And yes, sure, he can argue that he was talking about the "conflict," and not Israel specifically. What a shock, a politician who knows how to use weasel words.

In my opinion, what happened with that statement is very much like a Freudian slip. You may be willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt, despite his friendships with Ali Abunimah and Rashid Khalidi, but that's because you're already an Obama supporter.

Given Goldberg's record, I think it is implausible to say that he would be "totally in the tank" for anyone that he viewed as a threat to Israel. Again, he is an American Zionist who has served in the IDF.

421 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:08:09am
422 Russkilitlover  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:08:16am

re: #375 buzzsawmonkey

Man of Constant Sore-O
--with apologies to Norman Blake and "Man of Constant Sorrow"

O...M....G.......HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Now that tune will be in my head all day. I'll have to memorize your lyrics.

423 alegrias  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:08:21am

re: #273 MJ

Yes, they do run...but they also lose. Witness Carter and Bush I.
There would be no guarantee that Huckabee would get the Pres. nomination if McCain is a one termer and Huckabee was his VP.

* * *
Dan Quayle was not exactly an inspired choice as Veep. The horror!

424 NoSubmission  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:08:34am

Obama, the Second Coming..in art.

425 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:09:29am
426 looking closely  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:09:41am

re: #358 maddogg

I am not a Huckabee supporter, he is far too liberal for my tastes, as is McCain, But he isn't the nasty sumbitch he's being depicted here either.

Sure, there's worse out there than him.

Which is, again, irrelevant.

The operative question is what will the VP candidate likely bring to the party in terms of votes?

There isn't a state Huckabee could swing that McCain probably wouldn't get anyway, and I could imagine him hurting in some swing states.

For example, in Florida (a critical state if there is one), Huckabee came in dead last above Ron Paul in the primary, beaten soundly by Romney and Giuliani. He had a respectable showing in Ohio, but he was still trounced by McCain by over 20 points.

Etc.

427 zmdavid  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:09:43am

OT
My pretend moderate Democrat Congressman superdelegate Joe Donnelly just announced for Obama.

It will be tougher to pretend to be a moderate after endorsing Obama. My congressional district is usually competitive, but Democrats have an advantage in swing districts this year..

428 Charles  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:09:49am

re: #420 JustMyView

Given Goldberg's record, I think it is implausible to say that he would be "totally in the tank" for anyone that he viewed as a threat to Israel. Again, he is an American Zionist who has served in the IDF.

I'm aware of Goldberg's record, and everything I wrote still stands.

429 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:09:50am

re: #420 JustMyView

Given Goldberg's record, I think it is implausible to say that he would be "totally in the tank" for anyone that he viewed as a threat to Israel. Again, he is an American Zionist who has served in the IDF.

Many Israelis that I know are very ignorant of American Politics, and as for Goldberg, he is so far to the left as are many Israelis, his judgment must be questioned.

430 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:09:52am

re: #424 NoSubmission

Obama, the Second Coming..in art.

That first drawing looks like an Usher album cover.

431 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:10:15am
432 formercorpsman  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:10:38am

re: #417 formercorpsman

I just keep laughing.

433 NoSubmission  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:10:39am

re: #430 bosforus

That first drawing looks like an Usher album cover.


And what's that in his hand?

434 Roger  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:10:56am

re: #416 bosforus

lol! They could have had a sequel commercial
Still Is

435 madisonsfriend  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:10:57am

re: #430 bosforus

That first drawing looks like an Usher album cover.

Is that a unicorn behind him?

436 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:11:18am

re: #429 Nevergiveup

Many Israelis that I know are very ignorant of American Politics, and as for Goldberg, he is so far to the left as are many Israelis, his judgment must be questioned.

Goldberg is not an Israeli. He is an American.

437 formercorpsman  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:11:39am

re: #425 buzzsawmonkey


If you don't mind, I plan to perhaps hone my video skills a little more with that one.

That is, if you don't mind.

438 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:11:40am

re: #431 ploome hineni

well, he would clean up before he would allow pictures

/I am sure

Too bad; those are some of my favorite Reagan memories.

439 Viking6  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:11:53am

re: #284 Kenneth

440 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:12:08am

re: #435 madisonsfriend

Is that a unicorn behind him?

No, it's a moderate Muslim.

/

441 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:12:10am

re: #433 NoSubmission

And what's that in his hand?

I hope it's a chocolate bar for me!

442 Sabnen  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:12:11am

re: #120 alegrias

. . . people support Obama because he makes them feel good, like motivational speakers. . .

Yes, Obama's supporters dig Obama because he makes them hopeful.

After WWII my Dad was stationed in Germany and he kept asking the Germans he knew, "Why was Hitler so popular?"

The usual answer was, "He made us feel good about ourselves, after we were told we were so bad for fighting the First War."

443 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:12:19am
444 jorline  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:12:32am

re: #318 Opinionated

As a tax payer, I want someone who imagines a better way.

Potus- McCain
VP- Giuliani
SOS - Bolton
SOD- Duncan Hunter
Sec of Treasury- Steve Forbes

One can dream.


I like your ticket! Especially with Duncan Hunter securing the borders.

445 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:12:42am

re: #408 ploome hineni

there are many Mormons where I live..generally speaking they are very ernest and down to earth people

respectful and forthright

they dress neatly and conservatively..

Romney looks like he thinks..

I think ROmney looks ok..he presents himself well out of respect for himself and others

he wouldn;t dream of appearing mussed up

its a little old fashioned idea

I understand now. Thanks.
I recall seeing him in a sweatshirt way back in the cold of winter and thought to myself - Americans would like this guys look more then the pretty look.

446 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:12:50am

re: #433 NoSubmission

And what's that in his hand?

And why are roses flowing from his loins?

447 maddogg  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:13:02am

re: #426 looking closely

Sure, there's worse out there than him.

Which is, again, irrelevant.

The operative question is what will the VP candidate likely bring to the party in terms of votes?

There isn't a state Huckabee could swing that McCain probably wouldn't get anyway, and I could imagine him hurting in some swing states.

For example, in Florida (a critical state if there is one), Huckabee came in dead last above Ron Paul in the primary, beaten soundly by Romney and Giuliani. He had a respectable showing in Ohio, but he was still trounced by McCain by over 20 points.

Etc.

Agreed, I don't see Mike helping CcCain on the ticked, I just can't sit silently while a man I know is a good and decent man has his character assassinated.

448 big L  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:13:19am

157 redshirt--yeah. John Bolton for Secy of state or VP anything in the M'Cain Cabinet would make me less worried. Lindsey Graham or Huck--um, NO. I expect him to chose a lightweight, tho...

449 redheadredstate  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:13:25am

re # 400

Thanks for some enlightenment. I'm interested in why this fellow selling the OJ book hasn't been interviewed on all the major networks and given a front page article on most MSM newspapers? Unfortunately my darned work computer won't let me read the article on townhall regarding Jews and liberalism. I'll go home tonight and educate myself on why so many Jews vote liberal. Do you care to give me the Readers Digest Condensed Version?

450 Opinionated  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:13:37am

re: #399 JustMyView

My post wasn't to defend the Palestinians. It was to correct the record as to what Obama said and how it was interpreted here.

Obviously. My post was directed at Obama, not you.

451 snowcrash  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:13:51am

Not liking the Huckabee buzz. It is just buzz, right? Can't remember a previous election where my expectations have been so low. Starting to move past moosecrimp into some other territory. Yuck.

452 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:14:07am

re: #436 JustMyView

Goldberg is not an Israeli. He is an American.

I am aware of that. I just threw in that many Israelis are also very far to the left- like Yossi Bellin- and just because they served in the IDF, does not make them political oracles.

453 Shug  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:14:12am

re: #318 Opinionated

As a tax payer, I want someone who imagines a better way.

Potus- McCainBolton
VP- Giuliani
SOS - Michael Savage
SOD- Duncan Hunter
Sec of Treasury- Steve Forbes

One can dream.

me too

454 madisonsfriend  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:14:20am

re: #450 Opinionated

Obviously. My post was directed at Obama, not you.

Does he read LGF?

455 looking closely  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:14:21am

re: #394 Charles

I expected nothing less -- because Goldberg and The Atlantic are totally in the tank for Barack Obama. The interview was intended to be a hagiography, but when Obama starts to depart from his talking points he invariably lets his real feelings slip out.

And yes, sure, he can argue that he was talking about the "conflict," and not Israel specifically. What a shock, a politician who knows how to use weasel words.

In my opinion, what happened with that statement is very much like a Freudian slip. You may be willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt, despite his friendships with Ali Abunimah and Rashid Khalidi, but that's because you're already an Obama supporter.

Again, I simply don't think its an accident that the phrase Obama used here to describe the Palestinian conflict is the exact phrase coined by the Arab league for that purpose.

Obama subscribes to that ideology. Whether he came to it because of his pro-Arab advisors, or all by himself is somewhat besides the point.

We're just seeing echoes of Jeremiah Wright's "Israel is a dirty word" here.

456 Vergeltung  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:14:30am

OT: Obituary, Irena Sendler, saved 2500 children from the Warsaw Ghetto & the Nazis during WWII. a very brave kind woman. RIP. read about it here:

[Link: www.newyorksun.com...]

457 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:15:24am

re: #434 Roger

lol! They could have had a sequel commercial
Still Is

Starburst: The Juice is Loose and Kidnapping and Robbing in Vegas!
Would be just as appropriate.

458 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:15:39am

re: #428 Charles

I'm aware of Goldberg's record, and everything I wrote still stands.

Very well, Charles. It appears that you are committed to misinterpreting Obama's words both as written and as interpreted by the only person present when he spoke them. Somehow, I just cannot believe that Goldberg's commitment to the security of Israel is less than yours.

459 Opinionated  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:16:08am

re: #454 madisonsfriend

Does he read LGF?

He should

460 alegrias  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:16:55am

re: #334 coquimbojoe

I'd like to see it too, but let's face it the Mormonism thing is still gonna be a problem. If he were an Episcopalian, forget it he'd be in.

* * *
It's really offensive to deride Romney's faith as a "Mormonism thing" when millions of perfectly fine, America-loving people share that faith, which is apparently Made in America, pro-America and centuries old. We have many politicians in the Senate & House who are Mormons and several have run for the Presidency.

461 looking closely  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:17:02am

re: #428 Charles

I'm aware of Goldberg's record, and everything I wrote still stands.

Of course.

And back on point, this isn't about Goldberg. Its about Obama.

Goldberg bent over backwards to give Obama a chance to explain himself wrt Israel and Hamas, and he came up with that "constant sore" line.

Does Obama really think that **ANYTHING** would be different in the Middle East if Israel literally vanished tomorrow?

Apparently he does.

462 Silhouette  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:17:32am

re: #454 madisonsfriend

Does he read LGF?

Someone on his staff must. I'm guessing he has several dedicated blog-readers. Don't they all? If they don't, they aren't very savy.

463 adragonknowsbest  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:17:34am

re: #344 looking closely

Thank you for being the voice of reason. I was reading down the thread and was shocked to be among my political peers and hear all this Huckabee bashing. He is a good man and the best social conservative that ran. He was by far the best debater and would have made Barrack Obama look like a fool if he had the opportunity to debate him one on one. Now some of you people look down your nose upon Arkansas and despise Huckabee for the mere fact that he "had the gall" to raise taxes. And you probably heard Hannity and Rush constantly undermining everything about him. (IE the release of a castrated inmate who later committed murder and the "big fight" about Huckabee ceding Florida when he never did). The only person in the media who treated him half-way was Laura Ingraham.

But relax fellow conservative. He is not gonna be the VP. I think it might make some sense to shore up the south where Huckabee pretty much handed it to McCain even though Huckabee HAD NO MONEY. Imagine that...someone who didn't have to buy air time to repeat the same crap over and over actually won the hearts and minds of people. Anyway it will probably be Romney which I think will be a strategic blunder. Charlie Christ might make sense though.

464 NoSubmission  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:18:23am

re: #446 bosforus

And why are roses flowing from his loins?


and WTF is he wearing? A open white trench coat? A coat dress? The world's longest button down shirt?

465 Peacekeeper  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:18:55am

re: #285 Silhouette

II'll weigh it against the 10,000 quotes of people who are voting FOR him because of his race.

.

But this incident, the only example given of anything beyond mere insults, doesn't give any evidence that it was inspired by racism. None. In fact, the comments against the racist Rev. Wright and Hamas would indicate the vandals were outraged at racism. And outraged at Obama's anti-religious bigotry.


Frankly that's some pretty articulate hate graffitti. I'd wonder if it wasn't self inflicted.

466 looking closely  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:18:56am

re: #460 alegrias

* * *
It's really offensive to deride Romney's faith as a "Mormonism thing" when millions of perfectly fine, America-loving people share that faith, which is apparently Made in America, pro-America and centuries old. We have many politicians in the Senate & House who are Mormons and several have run for the Presidency.

Historically a good number of US Secret Service agents are Mormons as well, which I think suggests something about the role of public service there.

467 Alouette  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:19:07am

re: #420 JustMyView

Given Goldberg's record, I think it is implausible to say that he would be "totally in the tank" for anyone that he viewed as a threat to Israel. Again, he is an American Zionist who has served in the IDF.

He buys into the whole "Arab demographics will destroy us" myth, lock, stock and barrel.

468 lawhawk  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:19:08am

re: #458 JustMyView

Why would Goldberg torch ties to the presumptive nominee of the Democrat party? He's got incentives to not call Obama out for his comments - and as I noted yesterday, the context of his statement doesn't improve things either - it was poorly worded no matter how you cut it, and Goldberg's interpretation is a plausible one, but not exactly believable when you put in context of statements made such as the focus of today's post, and other issues (Obama's staffer's meeting with Hamas, Carter's influence on Obama's foreign policy stance, etc.)

469 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:19:14am

We can't run Charlie Christ as Repub VP candidate.

/One Messiah per race rule

470 faraway  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:19:34am

Obama believes he is the Messiah now:

My job this morning is to be so persuasive . . . that a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany, and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Barack.
471 alegrias  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:19:39am

re: #372 Roger

Who is doing the polling?

* * *
McCain's mother. The 96 year old wailed against Mitt & Mormons on a tv interview, with Johnny at her side saying he did not share his mother's views. I was proud McCain threw his mother under the bus to avoid offending Mormons.

Romney for President (someday soon)

472 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:19:44am

re: #460 alegrias

* * *
It's really offensive to deride Romney's faith as a "Mormonism thing" when millions of perfectly fine, America-loving people share that faith, which is apparently Made in America, pro-America and centuries old. We have many politicians in the Senate & House who are Mormons and several have run for the Presidency.

I'm a Mormon.

473 jorline  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:20:14am

This has been a very strange primary season.

Reminiscent of the old Gong Show...I keep waiting for Gene Gene the Dancing Machine to appear!

474 ishabibble  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:20:33am

re: #96 Ben Hur


JG: Do you think that Israel is a drag on America’s reputation overseas?

BO: No, no, no. But what I think is that this constant wound, that this constant sore, does infect all of our foreign policy


I think that he did. If you look at this quote, Barry does not say that Muslim extremism is the source of the constant wound, "this constant sore", rather he says No No No...BUT...IT

It is Israel. Barry is never good off the cuff, and this is just more proof. The ironic thing is that when he speaks frankly, he really does show us who he is, a slick liar and phony whose real agenda remains hidden.

475 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:20:48am

re: #449 redheadredstate

re # 400

Thanks for some enlightenment. I'm interested in why this fellow selling the OJ book hasn't been interviewed on all the major networks and given a front page article on most MSM newspapers? Unfortunately my darned work computer won't let me read the article on townhall regarding Jews and liberalism. I'll go home tonight and educate myself on why so many Jews vote liberal. Do you care to give me the Readers Digest Condensed Version?

I caught Nancy Grace in the middle of the night (following Glenn Beck) interviewing Kato Kaelin on the topic. I'm sure we'll be reading much more about this shortly. Any idea what's going on with the Vegas trial?

476 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:21:06am

re: #472 coquimbojoe

I'm a Mormon.

Don't blow your cover, coquimbo! Are you crazy?!

477 Charles  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:21:28am

re: #458 JustMyView

Very well, Charles. It appears that you are committed to misinterpreting Obama's words both as written and as interpreted by the only person present when he spoke them. Somehow, I just cannot believe that Goldberg's commitment to the security of Israel is less than yours.

He can be committed to Israel's security and still be in the tank for Obama. This is a straw man argument.

As for "misinterpreting" his words, the words are what they are. You're willing to take the excuses at face value, because you support Obama.

I'm not.

478 NoSubmission  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:21:48am

re: #473 jorline

This has been a very strange primary season.

Reminiscent of the old Gong Show...I keep waiting for Gene Gene the Dancing Machine to appear!


Or the Unknown Comic Candidate.

479 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:22:06am

re: #464 NoSubmission

and WTF is he wearing? A open white trench coat? A coat dress? The world's longest button down shirt?

It's like the saying goes: A painting of Obama is worth a thousand jokes.

480 Peacekeeper  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:22:17am

Obama will bring change, a cabinet full of Reverend Wright radicals that will drag this country down.

481 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:22:32am

re: #272 taxfreekiller

On McCain.

There is not one thing that keeps him from being a schmuck.

He did the Navy, he did the fly off the deck, he crashed planes,
he got shot down, he did the P.O.W. he ran for Congress got elected,
as did 400 other loons, and he ran for the Senate, and ya
the Senate has, Kerry, Kennedy, Reid, Shummer, Boxer, etal.

So what the hell keeps the man from being a 100% dumb ass schmuck?

Because he's our 98% dumb ass schumck...

482 MandyManners  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:22:35am

re: #473 jorline

This has been a very strange primary season.

Reminiscent of the old Gong Show...I keep waiting for Gene Gene the Dancing Machine to appear!

Just for you.

483 looking closely  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:22:53am

re: #449 redheadredstate

re # 400

Thanks for some enlightenment. I'm interested in why this fellow selling the OJ book hasn't been interviewed on all the major networks and given a front page article on most MSM newspapers? Unfortunately my darned work computer won't let me read the article on townhall regarding Jews and liberalism. I'll go home tonight and educate myself on why so many Jews vote liberal. Do you care to give me the Readers Digest Condensed Version?


IMO, this sums it up pretty well.

484 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:23:06am

re: #476 bosforus

Don't blow your cover, coquimbo! Are you crazy?!

Blew it a long time ago during a debate that required full disclosure. Don't worry, my sock puppet hasn't declared a faith ;-).

485 MES41067  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:23:35am

Wow damm I'm going to hate voting for McCain but I've no choice.I wish I could just stay home but refuse to see either of those two dem asshats as POTUS.

486 gop_patriot  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:24:01am

re: #470 faraway

Do you have a link for that?

487 Roger  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:24:01am

re: #471 alegrias


Romney for President (someday soon)

I'm hoping around 2010...

488 Silhouette  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:24:18am

re: #458 JustMyView

Very well, Charles. It appears that you are committed to misinterpreting Obama's words .


Hard to misinterpret that.

he would have seen that Obama was clearly calling the Middle East conflict, and not Israel, a sore

The question was about Israel.

JG: Do you think that Israel is a drag on America’s reputation overseas?

BO: No, no, no. But what I think is that this constant wound, that this constant sore, does infect all of our foreign policy.

If Obama equates Israel with the Mideast Conflict, not the Arab world's genocidal desire to eliminate it, that says much about him.

489 Charles  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:24:56am

re: #468 lawhawk

Why would Goldberg torch ties to the presumptive nominee of the Democrat party? He's got incentives to not call Obama out for his comments - and as I noted yesterday, the context of his statement doesn't improve things either - it was poorly worded no matter how you cut it, and Goldberg's interpretation is a plausible one, but not exactly believable when you put in context of statements made such as the focus of today's post, and other issues (Obama's staffer's meeting with Hamas, Carter's influence on Obama's foreign policy stance, etc.)

That's right -- even if you accept that Obama was talking about the "conflict" in general, it's still a very disturbing statement. And the full context does not improve it one bit.

490 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:25:15am

re: #458 JustMyView

That's all fine and dandy, but you should not misinterpret Obama's political connections, JMV. Why do both Rod "The Unreformer" Blagojevich and King Richard II support this Obama who calls himself a reformer? Obama is connected to several who quite frankly rather hate Israel. People like Nadhmi Auchi, Saddam Hussein's bankroller. Crooks like Ata and Rezko. And let's not forget the liberation theologians Pfleger and Wright, as well as Farrakhan. And did I mention Ayres and other home-grown terrorists?

It doesn't matter what Goldberg may have said or not. Obama's actions and friends speak volumes.

491 Peacekeeper  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:25:34am

Israel is running out of time to deal with Iran. President Obama will respond to any use of force by them by embargoing weapons and aid. This is just one example of how naive boobs in leadership positions actually create crisis.

492 nikis-knight  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:25:37am

Even if McCain and his VP are 90% Dems, you don't want to give Hillary or Obama the win (even by omission), because congress is in the Dem's hands. They might have to compromise somewhere to work with McCain, whereas Hillary and Obama will pull them, willingly, even further towards the Kos side of the democrats, surrender and socialism.

493 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:26:13am

re: #391 Silhouette

Times neighboring countries tried to obliterate Israel = 3 4.

Times Israel tried to obliterate neighboring countries = 0

I'm sensing a pattern here. Oh, and:
Times individuals and groups tried to obliterate Israel = too many to count, daily.

Fixed the first one.
1948, 1956, 1967, 1973 (in 67, Israel pre-empted the attack, but they certainly didn't try to wipe out the other countries.

494 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:26:21am

re: #484 coquimbojoe

Blew it a long time ago during a debate that required full disclosure. Don't worry, my sock puppet hasn't declared a faith ;-).

Oh good. Whew! That was a close one. I thought years of credibility were going right out the window! Maybe I should get a sock puppet ... hmm ... nah, not really my style.

495 Iron Fist  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:26:49am

re: #464 NoSubmission,

I like the New Republic cover with Obama with a halo! It's taking endorsement to a whole new level when you Deify your Chosen Candidate. And Barrack Hussein Obama just eats it up. He loves his Cult of Personality.

And that, more than anything else, scares me aboput him.

496 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:27:01am

re: #494 bosforus

Oh good. Whew! That was a close one. I thought years of credibility were going right out the window! Maybe I should get a sock puppet ... hmm ... nah, not really my style.

Years of credibility? What's that?

497 incanus  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:27:04am

re: #256 Sharmuta

If there are people out there thinking that- it's very un-Christian of them, in my opinion, to wish harm on their country.

It's un-Christian to give up and accept that a "bad" prophecy is going to happen: the Christian thing to do is to stand against wrong, and pray often for God to intercede.

God can change his mind (Ninevah).

498 nikis-knight  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:27:06am

re: #401 Silhouette

I think half the jury thought he was guilty, but felt it "evened things out a bit" for one guy to get off since so many others were imprisoned unjustly.

Probably the same buffoons who "work for social justice." Spit. Justice is only ever individual.

499 Kulhwch  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:27:08am
‘This is a guy who spent some time in the Muslim world, has a middle name of Hussein and appears more worldly and has called for talks with people, and so he’s not going to be engaging in the same sort of cowboy diplomacy as George Bush. That’s a perfectly legitimate perception as long as they’re not confused about my unyielding support for Israel’s security".

Now why in the world would they be confused about that?

And what the hell's wrong with Cowboy Diplomacy?

}:)     [John Wayne, Gary Cooper, Clint Eastwood, Roy Rogers ...]

500 faraway  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:27:41am

re: #486 gop_patriot

Do you have a link for that?

New Hampshire stump speech Lebanon Opera House, New Hampshire. January 7, 2008

501 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:27:54am

re: #489 Charles

That's right -- even if you accept that Obama was talking about the "conflict" in general, it's still a very disturbing statement. And the full context does not improve it one bit.

I think "full context"argument throws Obama directly into the blame Israel for all out problems in the Middle East Camp. And that camp, he can't wiggle out of so easily. It is what many of his foreign policy advisers, both past and present, believe.

502 Charles  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:28:19am

re: #455 looking closely

Again, I simply don't think its an accident that the phrase Obama used here to describe the Palestinian conflict is the exact phrase coined by the Arab league for that purpose.

Obama subscribes to that ideology. Whether he came to it because of his pro-Arab advisors, or all by himself is somewhat besides the point.

We're just seeing echoes of Jeremiah Wright's "Israel is a dirty word" here.

I saw your comments on this, and I've been searching for a direct quote from Amr Moussa or some other Arab League toady, but I've been unable to find anything.

503 MandyManners  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:28:42am

re: #486 gop_patriot

Do you have a link for that?

From NoSubmission's No. 424.

[Link: campaignspot.nationalreview.com...]

It's at the bottom.

504 Silhouette  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:28:48am

re: #493 Kosh's Shadow

Thanks, I had left out Suez.

505 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:28:54am
506 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:29:12am

re: #480 Peacekeeper

Obama will bring change, a cabinet full of Reverend Wright radicals that will drag this country down.

And Chicago/Cook Country cronies. Don't forget who Obama owes to get his Senate seat and his chance at the White House.

I see Emil Jones getting a cabinet post, and that sends shivers down my spine.

507 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:29:30am

re: #496 coquimbojoe

Years of credibility? What's that?

You know? Like what this guy has.

508 lawhawk  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:29:34am

re: #493 Kosh's Shadow

Number of days since last kassam/mortar attack: 0
Number of days since last Israeli casualty from kassam/mortar attack: 1 (Shula Katz)

509 gop_patriot  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:29:37am

re: #500 faraway

Thank you!

510 Peacekeeper  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:29:38am

Obama won't defend America-why on Earth would we expect him to defend Israel?

511 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:29:44am

re: #506 Honorary Yooper

And Chicago/Cook Country cronies. Don't forget who Obama owes to get his Senate seat and his chance at the White House.

I see Emil Jones getting a cabinet post, and that sends shivers down my spine.

Who is Emil Jones?

512 Silhouette  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:30:34am

re: #510 Peacekeeper

Obama won't defend America-why on Earth would we expect him to defend Israel?

Just because that needs to be said twice.

513 alegrias  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:30:39am

re: #472 coquimbojoe

I'm a Mormon.

* * *
That's wonderful. Mormons had America's pioneer spirit, trekking West and settling areas inhospitable to Westerners. I admire their history of building America.

514 Sharmuta  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:31:23am

re: #497 incanus

It's un-Christian to give up and accept that a "bad" prophecy is going to happen: the Christian thing to do is to stand against wrong, and pray often for God to intercede.

My friend- imagine if those on United 93 had accepted a bad prophesy.

516 gop_patriot  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:31:39am

re: #503 MandyManners

Thank you, I've bookmarked it. I've seen some of it but not all. Yikes.

517 zmdavid  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:31:40am

re: #513 alegrias

* * *
That's wonderful. Mormons had America's pioneer spirit, trekking West and settling areas inhospitable to Westerners. I admire their history of building America.


Didn't they invade a piece of Aztlan?
/

518 Opinionated  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:32:03am

For pro-Israel voters, Obama's middle name should be the least of their concerns

Wallsten writes, the Obama-Khalidi relationship "have left some Palestinian American leaders believing that Obama is more receptive to their viewpoint than he is willing to say."

[Link: www.jewishworldreview.com...]

519 Roger  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:32:34am

Bibi for Barry!

/Well at least Netanyahu would have a clarity for what he needs to do. With McCain he gets another Dr. Rice tormenting him.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]
I really wonder what the conversation between the two was like?

520 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:32:41am

re: #347 faraway

Sarah Palin gave birth to her 5th child in April:

Doesn't sound like she thinks America is mean.

She doesn't sound bitter.

The baby is a special needs baby, too, I think. God Bless them all.

521 redheadredstate  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:33:15am

# 483 LOL

In my Scottish-American family we had a "tradition" where we ate haggis at Christmas. We left that one behind us once we got educated as to what Haggis is made from (sheep intestines). I wonder if that segment of the Jewish-American population were to take a closer look at who they are voting for on the left they would find them just as unpalatable as the haggis. Sometimes "tradition" is just stupid.

522 adragonknowsbest  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:33:36am

re: #485 MES41067

I'm with you. Thanks a lot republicans for choosing McCain in the primary. Thanks a real lot. You've moved from your conservative principles to the left. Thanks a lot GOP for making the far more liberal states' delegates count more than the conservative states. Thanks a real lot.

523 WriterMom  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:33:58am

re: #71 zombie

Obama's advisors are a real Nakba.

524 debutaunt  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:34:33am

re: #148 coquimbojoe

Around our house, Huckabee is darn near a curse word.

It's a wonderful vomity-curse kind of word.

525 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:35:08am

re: #513 alegrias

* * *
That's wonderful. Mormons had America's pioneer spirit, trekking West and settling areas inhospitable to Westerners. I admire their history of building America.

Yeah, and all it took was an extermination order to get us out there!
////

526 incanus  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:35:26am

re: #307 Russkilitlover

You won't have to worry about it. That's the losingest ticket since Dukakis and Ferraro!

Mondale and Ferraro.

Dukakis and Bentsen.

527 galloping granny  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:35:52am

re: #460 alegrias

* * *
It's really offensive to deride Romney's faith as a "Mormonism thing" when millions of perfectly fine, America-loving people share that faith, which is apparently Made in America, pro-America and centuries old. We have many politicians in the Senate & House who are Mormons and several have run for the Presidency.

re: #334 coquimbojoe

He is not deriding Romney's religion but simply stating the bald fact that his religion is a problem - a big problem - with a huge segment of the voting public. The Latter Day Saints are not "centuries old" but rather just about 150 years old, their founder being born just down the road from me.

Most mainline Christian churches do not consider the Latter Day Saints aka Mormons to be "Christian" in the least, no matter what the Mormons themselves claim. Not least of the reasons for doing so is that the Mormons have rewritten the Bible, added an entire "Book of Mormon" and follow a number of teachings that bear far more similarity to islam than to Christianity.

Their history - including previous runs for the Presidency - has been anything but uneventful and fraught with discord. I would strongly urge you to read Under the Banner of Heaven for a better understanding.

Meanwhile - NO religion is above criticism and NO politician gets a pass. If you want to be politically correct and unoffended rather than hold an adult discussion about the realities of politics, you might find better company elsewhere.

528 jorline  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:36:22am

re: #482 MandyManners

Just for you.

Thanks Mandy. I always got a kick out of that show. Someone posted a link for the Unknown Comic as well...great stuff! Loved Chuck's dancing as well.

529 looking closely  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:36:36am

re: #489 Charles

That's right -- even if you accept that Obama was talking about the "conflict" in general, it's still a very disturbing statement. And the full context does not improve it one bit.


In context, its crystal clear to me that the "conflict" Obama is talking about is the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. (And this is apart from his idiomatic choice of words, described above as identical to that of the Arab league on that issue).

But even looking at this in the most favorable way possible for Obama, there is no "context" of Obama's statement leading to a read where Israel is NOT at the center of all of the problems in the Middle East.

In short, Obama seems to have bought into old the Arabist political fiction that "its all Israel's fault". If only Israel would go away, everything would be better, etc. Its not a new idea. . .we've heard this from the Arab league, from Osama Bin Laden, and from our own State Dept again and again.

Whether Goldberg subscribes to that or not is irrelevant. Goldberg's motivation for this interview is irrelevant (though clearly it was to give Obama a chance to explain his views about Israel).

Explain he did, and I think the import of his words are quite clear.

530 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:36:59am

re: #513 alegrias

* * *
That's wonderful. Mormons had America's pioneer spirit, trekking West and settling areas inhospitable to Westerners. I admire their history of building America.

Oops, I had tagged on a little bit more to that response but it didn't show up in my reply.
Your thanks is much appreciated! I'm also not bitter about the whole extermination order thing in case you got the wrong idea.

531 jorline  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:37:20am

re: #478 NoSubmission

Or the Unknown Comic Candidate.

Thanks

532 ishabibble  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:37:24am

re: #495 Iron Fist

,

I like the New Republic cover with Obama with a halo! It's taking endorsement to a whole new level when you Deify your Chosen Candidate. And Barrack Hussein Obama just eats it up. He loves his Cult of Personality.

And that, more than anything else, scares me aboput him.


Barry gave a speech yesterday and the placard on the dais read, "Sacred Trust". Don't put it past the chameleon to cast himself in the image of a deity. Bottom line...there is something so unknowable about this man, something so off about him.

533 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:37:27am

re: #513 alegrias

My wife's family can lay claim to that, my parents converted to it in their 20's. That being said, I like Romney for ton's of reasons. I would be happy with him as POTUS, his faith makes me more comfortable with him, but not more likely to vote for him (Sat by Harry Reid in church a couple of weeks ago, will never vote for him).

My only point is that I think a reason for Mitt's failure to win over voters among a number of things was his faith. I get that, and hope I don't sound too much like a martyr saying it. My reason for liking Mitt (I preferred Rudy) was his business background and executive experience. On top of that I felt he was an honest person. Heaven knows we could use one of those leading us.

534 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:37:33am

re: #511 Nevergiveup

Who is Emil Jones?

Emil Jones (known as Evil Jones by some of his detractors, including me) is the president of the Illinois Senate. Obama was basically Jones's go-fer for years while Obama was in Springfield. Jones is also a very staunch ally of the governor, Rod "The Unreformer" Blagojevich. He quashed a bill to allow for recall of state-wide electric officials that was passed by the Illinois House in order to protect his ally. Jones is also in the pocket of the electric utility here, Commonwealth Edison (owned by Exelon). If they want to raise rates, Jones is always the first to vote for it.

The last thing I want to see is the Illinois Combine in power in the White House.

535 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:37:47am

re: #517 zmdavid

Didn't they invade a piece of Aztlan?
/

Dammit, I hope so!

536 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:38:39am

re: #534 Honorary Yooper

Thanks. Good heads up on that one.

537 pat  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:38:57am

re: #521 redheadredstate

# 483 LOL

In my Scottish-American family we had a "tradition" where we ate haggis at Christmas. We left that one behind us once we got educated as to what Haggis is made from (sheep intestines). I wonder if that segment of the Jewish-American population were to take a closer look at who they are voting for on the left they would find them just as unpalatable as the haggis. Sometimes "tradition" is just stupid.

We still have Steak and Kidney Pie for Christmas. :)

538 Roger  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:39:09am

re: #489 Charles

Yes, the interview goes on with Barry saying:

I want to solve the problem, and so my job in being a friend to Israel is partly to hold up a mirror ...

(he is not looking in the mirror when he holds it up) to show Israel how wrong and responsible it is for the 'sore'. Barry knows better. He is the Messiah with a Mirror.

539 sojerofgod  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:39:43am

Barack Obama is a part of the far left crowd that has always sided with the palistinians in the ME. His lip service to support for Israel is just that- lip service. IF this guy gets elected the arabs will attack Israel and he will stand there and wring his hands, and pretend to help while secretly hoping for Israel to lose. Leftists never have a problem with other people being slaughtered. There always seems to be a 'greater good' that supercedes saving human life.

Us un-sophisticates call that murder.

540 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:39:49am

re: #468 lawhawk

Why would Goldberg torch ties to the presumptive nominee of the Democrat party? He's got incentives to not call Obama out for his comments - and as I noted yesterday, the context of his statement doesn't improve things either - it was poorly worded no matter how you cut it, and Goldberg's interpretation is a plausible one, but not exactly believable when you put in context of statements made such as the focus of today's post, and other issues (Obama's staffer's meeting with Hamas, Carter's influence on Obama's foreign policy stance, etc.)

Where there's a will (to find a way to trash Obama), there's a way, I guess. Again, I refer you to the "twelve different ways" that Obama stated his support for Israel.

Re Carter's influence, do we know that they've ever even spoken?

Re the staffer, he did not meet w/ Hamas in any capacity that had to do with Obama. He's a garden-variety policy analyst, unlike the now-departed McCain staffers who lobbied our government on behalf of the enlightened government of Burma.

Aside from driving blog traffic by throwing out red meat, I don't understand what purpose is served by launching a frenzy over statements that--according to both speaker and listener--were not only benign w/ regard to Israel but supportive of its security. How does that advance the cause of peace?

I have to leave now, but I'll check back.

541 Kenneth  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:41:14am

re: #440 OldLineTexan

re: #435 madisonsfriend

Is that a unicorn behind him?

No, it's a moderate Muslim.

Well, funny you should ask:

In trying to identify the person who will be the Mahdi and the Saviour, the only source we have is the Prophet of Islam. According to his sayings, the basic characteristics of Mahdi are as follows:

1. He will be an Arab, from the tribe of Banû Hãshim.

2. He will be from the descendants of the Prophet Muhammad through his daughter Fatima.

3. He will be the descendant of Husayn, son of Fatima and ‘Ali.

4. He will appear in Mecca.

5. Finally, one of the most interesting thing that we find in the sayings of the Prophet is that Imam al-Mahdi will be helped by Prophet Jesus.

We are told that Jesus will descend to the earth soon after the appearance of the Mahdi; he will join the Mahdi in establishing the Kingdom of God on earth; and he will pray behind Imam al-Mahdi. The true Christians will follow Jesus in accepting Imam al-Mahdi as the leader at the time and become Muslims.



The Mahdi and Issa (Jesus) will arrive riding white horses. Like the one behind Obama in that painting.

542 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:41:42am

re: #527 galloping granny

Hi GG! I get that. I think he thought I was deriding Mormonism. I understand how people think of us. That's OK with me as long as we can be civil to each other. I guess my point was Mormonism played a big role in keeping Romney perceived as a 'fringish' candidate. Also, I liked him, but he wasn't my first choice, although I thought he was a better one the many.

543 joncelli  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:42:18am

re: #131 Charles

Tim Pawlenty or Michael Steele would both make splendid running mates. Why he would even consider the Huckster is beyond my ken.

544 WriterMom  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:42:37am

re: #515 Alouette

I served in the occupation, and I saw what such service did to my fellow soldiers, not to mention the Palestinians who were our captives

He's a total moonbat American Jew who made aliyah, served in the army and then moved back to the US. Nutter.

545 alegrias  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:43:34am

re: #527 galloping granny

re: #334 coquimbojoe

He is not deriding Romney's religion but simply stating the bald fact that his religion is a problem - a big problem - with a huge segment of the voting public. The Latter Day Saints are not "centuries old" but rather just about 150 years old, their founder being born just down the road from me.

Most mainline Christian churches do not consider the Latter Day Saints aka Mormons to be "Christian" in the least, no matter what the Mormons themselves claim. Not least of the reasons for doing so is that the Mormons have rewritten the Bible, added an entire "Book of Mormon" and follow a number of teachings that bear far more similarity to islam than to Christianity.

Their history - including previous runs for the Presidency - has been anything but uneventful and fraught with discord. I would strongly urge you to read Under the Banner of Heaven for a better understanding.

Meanwhile - NO religion is above criticism and NO politician gets a pass. If you want to be politically correct and unoffended rather than hold an adult discussion about the realities of politics, you might find better company elsewhere.

* * *
Granny, I'll take a Romney over Obama anytime, thank you.

546 WriterMom  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:44:24am

re: #420 JustMyView

Just because someone is Jewish and has served in the IDF does not mean they are a Zionist. Some of Israel's most vicious critics are Jews who have served in the IDF.

547 Spiny Norman  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:44:45am

re: #540 JustMyView

Dizzy yet?

548 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:45:12am

re: #545 alegrias

* * *
Granny, I'll take a Romney over Obama anytime, thank you.

I think we are all on the same page here.

549 Opinionated  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:45:23am

OT. But you've got to read about the bizarro world that is Saudi Arabia. Our close friend.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

550 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:45:38am

re: #546 WriterMom

Just because someone is Jewish and has served in the IDF does not mean they are a Zionist. Some of Israel's most vicious critics are Jews who have served in the IDF.

Jeremiah Wright was a Marine.

551 sojerofgod  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:46:02am

re: #541 Kenneth
So, One man's MAhdi is another man's Antichrist?
White horses and all, apparently.

552 WriterMom  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:46:14am

re: #550 coquimbojoe

The "I was there" meme is often these assholes' meal ticket.

553 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:46:42am
554 Kenneth  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:48:33am

re: #551 sojerofgod

Exactly. For whatever reason, Islamic eschatology describes the Mahdi, or messiah, in very much the same terms that Christian eschatology describes the anti-Christ. Go figure.

555 redheadredstate  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:49:21am

re: #550 coquimbojoe

Jeremiah Wright was a Marine

Don't forget that Benedict Arnold was one of our greatest Generals. He was still a traitor.

556 jorline  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:49:53am

Mandy...Barry's singing to you!

557 alegrias  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:50:05am

re: #533 coquimbojoe

My wife's family can lay claim to that, my parents converted to it in their 20's. That being said, I like Romney for ton's of reasons. I would be happy with him as POTUS, his faith makes me more comfortable with him, but not more likely to vote for him (Sat by Harry Reid in church a couple of weeks ago, will never vote for him).

My only point is that I think a reason for Mitt's failure to win over voters among a number of things was his faith. I get that, and hope I don't sound too much like a martyr saying it. My reason for liking Mitt (I preferred Rudy) was his business background and executive experience. On top of that I felt he was an honest person. Heaven knows we could use one of those leading us.

* * *
Romney was a successful person all around, who served as a Republican governor of a very leftist state. To win election in Massachusetts meant to know exactly how liberal Americans think, and yet be able to work successfully to change or reign in Taxachusetts, or at least tack to center.

Romney is an outstanding US citizen whom I'd be proud to call President and whom I'd entrust with the defense, protection & preservation of America, unlike Obama.

558 looking closely  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:50:12am

re: #502 Charles

I saw your comments on this, and I've been searching for a direct quote from Amr Moussa or some other Arab League toady, but I've been unable to find anything.


Neither have I, though I bet it does exist somewhere. That *exact phrase* comes up again and again in Arab and leftist discourse on the subject.

You saw this:

“The Arab states do not want to solve the refugee problem. They want to keep it as an open sore, as an affront to the UN and as a weapon against Israel. Arab leaders do not give a damn whether Arab refugees live or die”, -- Ralph Galloway, former head of UNWRA, 1956

How about this?

The Sunnis of the Middle East saw in the botched hanging of Saddam Hussein a gauntlet thrown down by Iran. If the open sore of a Palestinian state could be finally healed, the empowerment of Arab moderation could extend to a settlement in Lebanon — perhaps even to a settlement between Israelis and Arabs on their remaining territorial disputes, including the Golan Heights, because by then Syria would not want to be left out.


Same idea. . .the Arabs would be "moderate" if it weren't for the famous "open sore", etc.

Surely, you'll like this bit from the international bureau for the revolutionary party:
[Link: www.ibrp.org...]

The Israel/Palestine conflict remains a festering sore on the body of imperialism that the unilateral withdrawal from Gaza has done nothing to heal.
559 joncelli  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:50:18am

re: #197 faraway

She's preggers. And while I think it would be cool having an Alaskan a heartbeat away from the presidency, that's a deal killer.

560 realwest  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:51:10am

re: #412 MandyManners
Mandy - please pop out of your cave long enough to vote for McCain!

561 Spider Mensch  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:51:29am

I'm sure its been mentioned but, if you have friends and family in Israel tell them to get the right people in office fast. if this snake oil salesman, obamaman, becomes POTUS they (meaning Israel) are on their own. Israel neeeds to start to gird its loins and start stockpiling the weapons needed now. I hope the real minds in Israel realize this. obama will be no friend to Israel if elected.

562 incanus  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:53:24am

re: #420 JustMyView

Given Goldberg's record, I think it is implausible to say that he would be "totally in the tank" for anyone that he viewed as a threat to Israel. Again, he is an American Zionist who has served in the IDF.

LOL. Man, you are a piece of work.

563 looking closely  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:54:27am

The "constant/open wound/sore" taking point seems to be pretty common in Arabist and leftist accounts of the Israeli/Palestinian conflicts:

Note that the phraseology here of the "constant wound" that "infects" American foreign policy is almost word for word from these talking points:
[Link: www.commondreams.org...]


The two incidents were emblematic of why they hate us. We can’t even bring ourselves to say the word “Israel,” much less suggest that the festering wound of the Palestinian conflict might be a primary source of the infection which has now spread to the U.S.
564 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:55:38am

OMG, Rush is on the phone now with some kook who says that Big Oil killed John Lennon to set up the Iraq War!

565 loppyd  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:56:05am

re: #557 alegrias

* * *
Romney was a successful person all around, who served as a Republican governor of a very leftist state. To win election in Massachusetts meant to know exactly how liberal Americans think, and yet be able to work successfully to change or reign in Taxachusetts, or at least tack to center.

Romney is an outstanding US citizen whom I'd be proud to call President and whom I'd entrust with the defense, protection & preservation of America, unlike Obama.

He would be a great VP for starters.....the base would come out for McCain.

566 Russkilitlover  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:56:29am

re: #526 incanus

Mondale and Ferraro.

Dukakis and Bentsen.

Oh, yeah. See how bad a ticket that was? I could't even apply them to the right candidates!

>blushes and creeps away

567 Charles  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:56:52am

re: #540 JustMyView

Aside from driving blog traffic by throwing out red meat, I don't understand what purpose is served by launching a frenzy over statements that--according to both speaker and listener--were not only benign w/ regard to Israel but supportive of its security. How does that advance the cause of peace?

Hey, Barack says he's supportive of Israel! Who are we to doubt him? We must be trying to destroy the peace process! Or are we just trying to get more traffic? I'm so confused.

Oh brother.

568 incanus  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:00:39am

re: #514 Sharmuta

My friend- imagine if those on United 93 had accepted a bad prophesy.

Indeed. In that case you had a group of people who knew 9after tehy saw the dead pilots) that they were EXTREMELY likely to be dead men(and women) walking. Yet, they didn't sit down for a good cry or gnash their teeth and try to figure out what they did to deserve it: no, they kicked some ass.

569 sojerofgod  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:01:30am

I hate Windows Vista!
My drive crashed and I loaded vista ultimate yesterday from My Microsoft Action Pack software because I'm a IT support guy and I need to learn it's idiosynchancies. There are too many to count.
Internet explorer pegs the cpu when i browse the Internet now, the pc is slow as molasses and it refuses to work with a second video card unless they both use their G-D windows driver model drivers.
I am so pissed i can't see straight.

It Sucks

I hate Windows Vista!

570 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:01:51am
571 Roger  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:02:17am

re: #540 JustMyView

Care to jot down what Obama's Cabinet will potentially look like?

572 Roger  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:03:05am

re: #569 sojerofgod

It needs lots and lots and lots of RAM.

How much do you have?

573 alegrias  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:03:36am

re: #567 Charles

Hey, Barack says he's supportive of Israel! Who are we to doubt him? We must be trying to destroy the peace process! Or are we just trying to get more traffic? I'm so confused.

Oh brother.

* * *
Dear Charles, thank you for putting up with us--you're a saint & national treasure.

574 tfc3rid  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:04:30am

re: #270 Sharmuta

Sorry, but with the Electoral College the only votes mccain needs are the battleground states. One vote in a deep blue state is not going to turn this election.

McCain needs Ohio or Florida or Colorado...

I think he will seriously look at Charlie Crist (ugh)...

575 jorline  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:05:02am

re: #571 Roger

Care to jot down what Obama's Cabinet will potentially look like?

I don't want to even think about it yet,,,but I know Code Pink will be the cheer leading squad.

576 BabbaZee  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:06:23am

57 Ways to Weave Your Cover

OR:
Who TF are the Organization of the Islamic Conference,
And why should you care?
577 sojerofgod  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:06:28am

re: #572 Roger
this machine 'only' has 1Gig of ram and it is an older 1.7Ghz proc. (the cobbler's children have no shoes...) But this business with IE has me so pissed I am staggered. I took off protected mode, made no difference, am trying to see what else in the settings I can kill to speed it up. I put off loading vista for the last 6 months cuz I KNEW it was going to be nothing but a bitch.

578 looking closely  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:06:43am

re: #540 JustMyView


Aside from driving blog traffic by throwing out red meat, I don't understand what purpose is served by launching a frenzy over statements that--according to both speaker and listener--were not only benign w/ regard to Israel but supportive of its security. How does that advance the cause of peace?


That's just it. The "open sore" statement is NOT benign at all.

It indicates that its maker buys into 50 years of Arab propaganda blaming all of the Middle east's problems (EG Fascism, fundamentalism, human rights abuses, etc) on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

Obama himself said that the conflict "infects" American foreign policy. There is no way to "spin" this otherwise, especially given the long history of that phraseology (many excerpts of which I have provided above).

Again, not a new concept; in fact, this "If only for Israel" argument is the same old, same old.

Blaming Israel for the problems in the Middle east doesn't help ANYONE; its a complete red herring, and it works against the interests of peace.

Think Ahmedinejad, who called Israel a "stinking corpse" is going to stop looking for nukes if Israel vanished tomorrow? Think Syria would hold free elections, or that the literacy rate in Egypt would exceed 60%?

579 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:09:01am
580 loppyd  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:10:51am

re: #576 BabbaZee

There you are!

Damn you've been busy....LOL

581 TalkinKamel  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:13:34am

re: #540 JustMyView

And, of course, if I referred to you as "An open sore", you wouldn't see it as an insult at all, but would see it all as serving the cause of peace, of course, of course.

The very fact that Obama sees Israel as the problem indicates he's clueless (or playing dumb).

582 faraway  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:13:50am

Rush reads LGF. He just said Obama will serve Carter's Second Term ™ (see #68).

583 Kenneth  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:13:56am

re: #579 ploome hineni

Notice how the Islamic ideology attempts to co-opt Christians and pit them against the Jews, while getting the details of Christian theology incorrect.

584 TalkinKamel  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:14:48am

re: #578 looking closely

I don't think JustMyView can really think that far ahead.

I don't think it thinks much, beyond the Leftist mem, "Israel = BAD! Islam = GOOD!"

585 alegrias  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:15:24am

re: #582 faraway

Rush reads LGF. He just said Obama will serve Carter's Second Term ™ (see #68).

* * *
Only if elected!

Carter I was fired for dereliction of duty to America!

586 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:18:25am
587 Roger  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:19:33am

re: #579 ploome hineni

Not all Christians refer to the al-Dajjal as the anti-Christ.

In the al-Dajjal description I recognize a friend.

588 sojerofgod  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:20:13am

re: #579 ploome hineni

Please understand that I don't say this to offend anyone, but;

I don't believe in the end of the world. At least, not the biblical/talmudical/koranical ends where God by whatever name causes a great war and mass death, to prepare the world to accept peace/justice/whatever. On a philosophical level, I don't see why. IF God cares so much, he is going to slaughter his loved ones for..... what? If he doesn't care, then why bother? If we are some great experiment, why not just rinse out the petri dish in the sink and be done with it?

End of the world stories are quite convenient for the religious class as a method to enforce compliance with their flocks. The power of " follow our teachings or you go to hell on judgement day!..." holds a lot of sway over those who adhere to a faith.

I know this makes me sound like an unbeliever, and I most assuredly may roast in hell for it, but isn't it just as likely that life will go on until by some event of chance, our species fails to prosper and we become like the mammoth?

The human race today is in for more danger from fanatics who WANT the end of the world to occur than we are from God's hand, in my opinion.

589 sojerofgod  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:22:49am

Oops, that would be "FAR more danger"

590 looking closely  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:25:10am

I don't doubt at all that there are people who hate Obama because of his race (or half-race), and won't vote for him for that reason, but objectively, there are far MORE people who are likely voting for him BECAUSE of his race.

In other words, to the extent that race has been a factor in the campaign to date, its been almost entirely to Obama's benefit.

Again, if Obama were (all) white, Hilary Clinton would have had the nomination sewed up about 3 months ago.

Which is ironic, in a way, given Obama's 20+ year association with a pretty bad BLACK racist, Jeremiah Wright.

591 Silhouette  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:27:04am

re: #564 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

OMG, Rush is on the phone now with some kook who says that Big Oil killed John Lennon to set up the Iraq War!

I KNEW IT!

592 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:31:08am
593 Roger  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:33:20am

re: #588 sojerofgod

That link is a mixture and deceitful.

The human race today is in for more danger from fanatics who WANT the end of the world to occur than we are from God's hand, in my opinion.

True. And the nations are being given time to 'fix' it as they arrogantly claim they can but G-d's Hand will become necessary to end the conflict; not start it.

594 Irenike  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:35:17am

The handwriting is on the wall with Hussein Obama. Anybody who doesn't see it is blind, or willfully ignorant.

The man talks like the Arab leaders who say one thing in English, and another in Arabic. He talks one way to assuage Democratic Jews and pro-American democrats ("I support Israel's security! I really do!") and another way to appeal to the Marxist lefties and Islamo-Fascists ("I was raised Muslim. I understand Muslims. Israel is a sore, an open wound in our foreign policy.")

The man may be personally likeable. He may be very nice. I don't believe he has an evil heart. But the stench of his terrorist friends hangs about him like a cloud, and he is already tainted by the racist bigotry of his church. God save us from him and his presidency.

595 yochanan  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:35:27am

re: #511 Nevergiveup

Who is Emil Jones?

or blogo or stroger white/black crook

596 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:40:06am

re: #577 sojerofgod

this machine 'only' has 1Gig of ram and it is an older 1.7Ghz proc. (the cobbler's children have no shoes...) But this business with IE has me so pissed I am staggered. I took off protected mode, made no difference, am trying to see what else in the settings I can kill to speed it up. I put off loading vista for the last 6 months cuz I KNEW it was going to be nothing but a bitch.

Add at least a gig of ram. 1 GB on vista is like putting a 4-cyl engine in a semi

597 Kenneth  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:48:23am

re: #596 Kosh's Shadow

Vista troubles? Hey no problem. Just get all your clients to upgrade all their hardware to the fastest processors and lots & lots of RAM. Maybe all new peripherals too & update all the drivers. And you may might as well update all their applications too while you're at it.

Problem solved. For now.

598 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:48:54am

re: #527 galloping granny

Most mainline Christian churches do not consider the Latter Day Saints aka Mormons to be "Christian" in the least, no matter what the Mormons themselves claim. Not least of the reasons for doing so is that the Mormons have rewritten the Bible, added an entire "Book of Mormon" and follow a number of teachings that bear far more similarity to islam than to Christianity.

1. We use the unabridged King James Version. No rewriting there.

2. Islam? Really? I've seen the attempts at comparison, but there is no 'there' there.

599 wannabuyaduck  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:51:14am

re: #538 Roger
Yes, the interview goes on with Barry saying:
< I want to solve the problem, and so my job in being
< a friend to Israel is partly to hold up a mirror ...


/How noble. Just like his mentor Jeremiah W., who only says those negative things about America because he is so concerned about making it a much *better* place.

600 Cato  Tue, May 13, 2008 12:03:11pm

As a matter of prudence, please forward the above article to as many Jewish liberals you know. I am serious about this. I have many Jewish liberal friends who, while dismissive of Republicans generally, acknowledge their uneasiness with BHO on Israel. Since Israel's self-defense is a cornerstone value -- holding a higher place than even support for abortion rights -- this may be able to persuade them to vote for McCain or at least not vote Democrat.

BTW, I am told that McCain's people have met with anti-Hizbollah forces who fear that if BHO wins, they will be murdered.

601 galloping granny  Tue, May 13, 2008 12:12:55pm

re: #542 coquimbojoe

Hi GG! I get that. I think he thought I was deriding Mormonism. I understand how people think of us. That's OK with me as long as we can be civil to each other. I guess my point was Mormonism played a big role in keeping Romney perceived as a 'fringish' candidate. Also, I liked him, but he wasn't my first choice, although I thought he was a better one the many.

I understand that entirely coquimbojoe. Mitt's religion is of no nevermind to me, though it surely is to many people and you are right that this kept him at best a fringe candidate. I didn't much like his politics or policies, but that is likely because I live just next door to Massachusetts and have family that still lives there.

Still, a better choice than a good many of the others would have been.

602 galloping granny  Tue, May 13, 2008 12:17:15pm

re: #598 coquimbojoe

Most mainline Christian churches do not consider the Latter Day Saints aka Mormons to be "Christian" in the least, no matter what the Mormons themselves claim. Not least of the reasons for doing so is that the Mormons have rewritten the Bible, added an entire "Book of Mormon" and follow a number of teachings that bear far more similarity to islam than to Christianity.

1. We use the unabridged King James Version. No rewriting there.

2. Islam? Really? I've seen the attempts at comparison, but there is no 'there' there.

Actually, coquimbojoe, your King James unabridged contains at least one book and several verses more than anyone else's King James does. At least the one that I was given by a Mormon friend some years ago did. We found it rather confusing.

As far as the similarity to islam, read Under the Banner of Heaven* with an open mind, keeping in mind what you know about islam. You will find a number of similarities.

*There are others too. This particular book goes into a great deal of the early history and particularly the schism between the Latter Day Saints and ?FLDS (the cult from whom the children were recently removed) and makes a fair effort to present things in a balanced way.

603 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 12:36:10pm
604 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 12:53:13pm

re: #602 galloping granny

Actually, coquimbojoe, your King James unabridged contains at least one book and several verses more than anyone else's King James does. At least the one that I was given by a Mormon friend some years ago did. We found it rather confusing.

As far as the similarity to islam, read Under the Banner of Heaven* with an open mind, keeping in mind what you know about islam. You will find a number of similarities.

*There are others too. This particular book goes into a great deal of the early history and particularly the schism between the Latter Day Saints and ?FLDS (the cult from whom the children were recently removed) and makes a fair effort to present things in a balanced way.

Again, there are no extra books or verses in the KJV that we use. It is intact. If you got something changed or abridged it is not the one we use.

As a fan of Jon Krakauer, I read the book, I thought he was pretty fair overall, but muddled things too. Please note the FLDS separated from the 'Mormon' church over 100 years ago. Their foolishness is not ours.

As for an open mind, yeah, I think I have one, I have looked at my, and many other religions from many angles, but Islam and Mormonism are very far apart. We like bacon (a lot), dogs are cool, we hope everybody has the ability to worship God however they may please, conversion comes from missionary work not the sword, we see Christ as our Saviour (No matter what others think of our belief in a triune Godhead rather than trinitarian one as laid out in the council of Nicea). Yes we believe in Prophets after Christ and revelation after the book of Revelations, but then again the Bible makes that clear that it happened too (even if you only accept the Bible).

So Yeah, Islam believes in a God and so do we, we have had polygamy in the past, and we believe the God always provides prophet to guide us ( Moslems, believe in one final, post Christian prophet so its a tad different), neither of us drink alcohol, and as for all the slanderous sex cult stuff, that's just ignorance.

We accept Christ as our Savior, Islam doesn't. How much farther apart can we be?

605 Kulhwch  Tue, May 13, 2008 12:59:55pm

re: #131 Charles

If John McCain chooses Mike Huckabee as his running mate, I'm going to have a very difficult decision to make. I will not vote for Mike Huckabee under any circumstances.

EXACTLY my position.

}:)     [Hmm ... the Ralph Nader/Crazy Uncle ticket perhaps?]

606 offendi  Tue, May 13, 2008 1:56:22pm

Let me summarize:

Given the flaws and issues of Barack Obama this election is John McCain's to lose.

And lose it he very much will if he continues to tread a complacent middle-of-the-road hope-to-please everybody campaign. Global warming won't get "the kids" to vote for you John, national security and showing you are a REAL Presidential figure will get the GENERAL public to. Think Churchill, not Obama's Neville Chamberlain.

If you have an ego John, remember Bob Dole. He was glad just to get there too. Maybe you have been a Senator too long and been too insulated from the real people in this country. They need representation, not what satisfies a politician's sense of self.

If you love this country, you have to pull out the stops, not run a genteel campaign. An Obama Presidency is the scariest thing to contemplate.

607 Bosch Fawstin  Tue, May 13, 2008 4:21:00pm

What an absolute political whore, he does his best to hide his Muslim background from us, but uses it when speaking about his terrorist support, and in doing so, equating Hamas with all Muslims, not his intention, but the implication's there.

608 FamHistoryGuy  Tue, May 13, 2008 6:56:52pm

OT

A fun clip

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