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How Badly Did Obama Lose W. Virginia?

Tue, May 13, 2008 at 7:50:37 pm PDT

Barack Obama lost in every single category in West Virginia: Election Center 2008: Primary Exit Polls - Elections & Politics news from CNN.com.

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1 jcm  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:51:29pm

Hey B. Hussein, how's it feel under the bus?

2 laZardo  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:51:32pm

That's one bitter state.

3 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:51:57pm

No matter how badly it doesn't matter. MSM101.

4 infidelia  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:52:47pm

re: #2 laZardo

That's one bitter state.

Clinging to Hillary...

5 sngnsgt  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:52:47pm

The Clinton News Network, hmmm?

6 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:52:51pm

Doesn't matter. In poker terms, Hillary is "drawing dead". This may improve her hand, but Obama already has the Full House.

7 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:52:54pm

How much does it matter? Not at all.

8 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:53:10pm
9 CapeCoddah  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:53:43pm

I love it!

10 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:53:57pm

It's interesting that, according to a recent poll. a majority of Democrats want Hillary to stay in the race.

11 jamgarr  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:53:59pm

Another bolt of lightning in the perfect storm that is the Democrat primary.

12 gibsonz  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:54:11pm

Hillary has already been knocked out, so she scores a meaningless tko on the ref when he`s not looking!

13 Yankee Division Son  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:54:28pm

He lost again? Seems to be a trend.. let's hope it continues in the fall..

14 infidelia  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:54:32pm

re: #6 Lizard by the Bay

Doesn't matter. In poker terms, Hillary is "drawing dead". This may improve her hand, but Obama already has the Full House.

Whatever. At this point I see Hillary in the role of woodpecker. Peck all those bugs loose.

15 jcm  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:54:38pm

denver denver Denver DENVER DENVER

16 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:54:43pm

re: #10 goddessoftheclassroom

Yeah, I heard that too. What is up with that?

17 itellu3times  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:54:50pm

In the Obama administration, West Virginia will be ceded to the Palestinians.

18 infidelia  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:55:15pm

re: #15 jcm

denver denver Denver DENVER DENVER

RE. CREATE. 68!

19 Yankee Division Son  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:55:41pm

re: #10 goddessoftheclassroom

It's interesting that, according to a recent poll. a majority of Democrats want Hillary to stay in the race.

over 70% I read somewhere..

20 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:55:51pm

No Bonkey has won the general election without winning West Virginia since 1916.

/Hillary clinging to her last true talking point

21 HelloDare  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:56:22pm

Charles, I hate to disagree but Barack did win the Hamas vote.

22 lawhawk  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:56:28pm

Watch for the media elites and Obamaniacs demanding she exit the race... how dare she stay in when WV shows Obama's failings to capture the hearts and minds of millions of Democrats.

They'll parrot the fact that Hillary captured like 90%+ of the white vote, all while ignoring that Obama runs those kinds of numbers up in the African American community without any similar charges of racist identity politics by those voters against Hillary.

Hillary has exposed Obama's problems - he can't even get a majority of votes in certain demographics that are key to winning any national election. That's why she's staying in (well, that and the ongoing Wright mess along with any other issues that might creep up pre-Denver).

23 Shug  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:56:38pm

Operation chaos

24 MandyManners  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:56:38pm

Maybe it's just me but, I find CNN's graphics to be very confusing.

25 rawmuse  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:56:43pm

They are all a bunch of clingy, gun owning white folks.

26 mitthrawnurdo  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:57:07pm

Obviously, it's due to the active racism of the West Virginians. How dare they not recognize Messiah when He graces our fine Presidential nomination process!

/please, do I need this disclaimer?

27 infidelia  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:57:07pm

re: #14 infidelia

Whatever. At this point I see Hillary in the role of woodpecker. Peck all those bugs loose.

Speaking of little peckers, which one of them is Byrd backing?

28 MijaCat  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:57:20pm

Heh.

Guess the Dems are having the same buyers' remorse the Repubs are.

Just, unlike Huck, some of them can stand the schmuck (erm, schmuckette?) who overstayed the race.

Go Hillary Go!

Mew

29 laZardo  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:57:21pm

re: #18 infidelia

Quick historical refresher...what happened in '68 again?

/was born in '87...history book knowledge of that time consists of Vietnam War and Watergate...

30 infidelia  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:58:10pm

re: #23 Shug

Operation chaos

Strikes again!

31 MandyManners  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:58:22pm

re: #7 JustMyView

How much does it matter? Not at all.

You'd be crowing differently if your man won.

32 mitthrawnurdo  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:58:31pm

re: #22 lawhawk

Only whites can be racist, my friend. The blacks recognize Messiah, not the foolish white devils of WV and other racist states...at least, not yet.

33 nyc redneck  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:58:58pm

i don't think she's even close to getting out.
thanks w. va.

34 jcm  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:58:59pm

re: #29 laZardo

Quick historical refresher...what happened in '68 again?

/was born in '87...history book knowledge of that time consists of Vietnam War and Watergate...

Riots, unrest, chaos! 'cept Denver it will be in the convention.

35 Mich-again  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:59:03pm

West Virginny. A bunch of crackers clinging to their guns and religion.

36 itellu3times  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:59:28pm

re: #29 laZardo

Quick historical refresher...what happened in '68 again?

Chicago democratic convention, riots in the streets, riots on the convention floor, as Da System nominated Hubert Horatio Humphrey, by then a senile old party hack, to oppose Richard Nixon, at the height of the Vietnam war.

The operative term being "riot".

37 Shug  Tue, May 13, 2008 7:59:55pm

As somebody brilliantly said earlier.

Hillary -- wins the popular vote
Obama-- gets the nomination based on delegates


Obama Selected not elected

38 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:00:03pm

re: #29 laZardo

Quick historical refresher...what happened in '68 again?

The Dem Party melted down at convention as the commies took over the party from the blue-collar patriots.

39 rawmuse  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:00:10pm

Maybe they should have Hard Likker and Hand Guns night.

40 infidelia  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:00:11pm

re: #29 laZardo

Quick historical refresher...what happened in '68 again?

/was born in '87...history book knowledge of that time consists of Vietnam War and Watergate...

Calling on volunteers to fill in the details, but in a nutshell the Weatherman types made hash of the streets of Chicago (in more ways than one) and Mayor Daly's machine and the Chi police made hash of them.

41 gop_patriot  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:00:14pm

Could someone explain the 6th question down, on the 3rd page? It's the "Vote for President in November"... who is answering what?

For some reason that one doesn't make much sense to me, but it could be this head cold that's stopping up my brain. lol

42 Syrah  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:00:40pm

re: #29 laZardo

Quick historical refresher...what happened in '68 again?

/was born in '87...history book knowledge of that time consists of Vietnam War and Watergate...

There was this convention . . .

43 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:00:41pm

Kos moves on to more important subjects.
Results for the Mississippi First District special election...
How will it end? How WILL it end?

44 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:01:11pm

re: #10 goddessoftheclassroom

It's interesting that, according to a recent poll. a majority of Democrats want Hillary to stay in the race.

gotc- Yep, I found it amazing it was so high- It was like 64% want Hillary to stay vs. 34% wanting her to get out.

45 EC Marm  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:01:17pm

re: #29 laZardo

Quick historical refresher...what happened in '68 again?


The anti-war side of the Dem party tried to make themselves appear larger that they really were. Street protests were met with much police resistance. A lotta tear gas and running away. In the end the establishment candidate won, but lost in November.

46 J.S.  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:01:20pm

Yah ! Two-thirds, baby! Not a single county for Obama! Way to go, Hillary!

/pumping fist into air

47 jaunte  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:01:28pm

Has everyone seen seekeroftruth's link (last thread) on the Gaza phonebank for Obama?

48 Yankee Division Son  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:01:33pm

re: #21 HelloDare

Charles, I hate to disagree but Barack did win the Hamas vote.

58th state?

49 mitthrawnurdo  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:01:45pm

re: #37 Shug

That retort sounds familiar...I wonder where I've heard that before?

50 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:02:14pm

re: #31 MandyManners

You'd be crowing differently if your man won.

I think I know the difference between a meaningful result, such as the one that occurred in the Mississippi house race tonight, and a meaningless result, such as the one that occurred in West Virginia. There's some symbolic significance and information relevant to the general election, but not to choosing the Dem candidate. At least I don't think so. :-)

51 lawhawk  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:02:22pm

re: #37 Shug

As somebody brilliantly said earlier.

Hillary -- wins the popular vote
Obama-- gets the nomination based on delegates


Obama Selected not elected

Heck, it could turn the other way, as Obama currently leads in popular vote, but Hillary gets the supers to go to her side based on the results in WV and the remaining states. Either way, you've got the party getting cleaved in two because they are seriously flawed candidates and the process by which the primaries operates created the conditions. Watch the DNC to "fix" the problem with adjustments to how they conduct primaries going forward.

52 infidelia  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:02:22pm

re: #42 Syrah

There was this convention . . .

In other words, all the entertaining stuff we long to see again, this time in Denver.

53 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:02:34pm

This a real electoral map problem for Obama. Besides the West Virginia jinx, he can't historically or mathematically win the general election without winning at least one southern (aka Bible Belt) State. Ask Kerry about that.

/name the southern State Obama has a chance in hell of winning

54 EE  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:02:39pm

Obama has sent big money to the superdelegates, almost $700,000 or more than 3.5 times what Hillary gave to the superdelegates. Also, Obama rakes in lots of money, and lots more where that came from, so the superdelegates know that if they support Obama, they stand to get a lot more money.

The difference in pledged delegates is only about 1/4 of the number of superdelegates, so the superdelegates have control of the nomination.

And the fix is in, so even though Hillary is likely to win the popular vote in the Dem contests overall, the superdelegates are going to go where the money is: Obama. The fix is in.

55 HelloDare  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:03:02pm

Messiah crawls to the finish line.

56 Slumbering Behemoth  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:03:08pm

re: #29 laZardo

These fellers were invited to play for a riot.

57 tommygum  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:03:09pm

re: #16 Fat Bastard VegetarianYeah, I heard that too. W

hat is up with that?

Buyer's remorse.

58 mitthrawnurdo  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:03:16pm

re: #48 Yankee Division Son

As well as the FARC vote - if they are successful in overthrowing the Colombian gov't, that'll be the 59th state.

59 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:03:18pm

re: #37 Shug

As somebody brilliantly said earlier.

Hillary -- wins the popular vote
Obama-- gets the nomination based on delegates


Obama Selected not elected

Um, the delegates are based on the results of elections, dude! Hillary is the one who has been trying to argue that something other than the results of the primaries and caucuses should be used to determine the nominee.

60 DoubleU  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:03:25pm

No matter what, this story will still have an ugly ending.

61 winston06  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:03:34pm

Hussein Obama will be the nominee and he will be defeated by McCain in November

62 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:03:52pm

re: #53 Killian Bundy

This a real electoral map problem for Obama. Besides the West Virginia jinx, he can't historically or mathematically win the general election without winning at least one southern (aka Bible Belt) State. Ask Kerry about that.

/name the southern State Obama has a chance in hell of winning

North Carolina?

Not that I want him to win, you know.

63 Charles  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:04:02pm

Instalanche incoming, to the Tim Townsend post...

64 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:04:06pm

re: #29 laZardo

Quick historical refresher...what happened in '68 again?

/was born in '87...history book knowledge of that time consists of Vietnam War and Watergate...

Geez, I have underwear older than you.

/Ok, not really, youngin'.

65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:04:15pm

re: #46 J.S.

Yah ! Two-thirds, baby! Not a single county for Obama! Way to go, Hillary!

/pumping fist into air

Obama drew 4,000 people in Beckley WV not even three months ago. It was truly the biggest thing to happen in Beckley in years.

Today?...(crickets with restless leg syndrome).

66 Idle Drifter  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:04:28pm

re: #15 jcm

denver denver Denver DENVER DENVER

God don't remind me, I just moved here. I better get ready for any possible Anarchist uprising. Governent peanut butter and crackers, bottled water, fire exstiguisher, 3000 rounds of pepper balls///////////

67 laZardo  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:04:29pm

re: #53 Killian Bundy

/name the southern State Obama has a chance in hell of winning

I would have to say that he has a good chance in the South. They'll definitely turn out in droves like it's the Civil Rights March all over again just to vote for him...

68 jetziger  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:04:58pm

Obama and Billary are singing from the same hymn sheet. Socialist scum!

VOTE REPUBLICAN.

69 lawhawk  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:05:20pm

re: #59 JustMyView

Not true - Democrats have a two tier system in place since 1968 - to prevent a repeat of that disastrous convention.

You get pledged delegates - those chosen based on proportional results of the primaries, plus a number of superdelegates who are unpledged to any candidate, but can vote any way they see fit up to the time their votes are counted at the convention.

That's why you see Obama and Clinton jockeying for supers. They know that every vote can change hands between now and the convention - and it already has seen some swaps.

70 Slumbering Behemoth  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:05:46pm

re: #56 Slumbering Behemoth

Holy crap, sorry Lizards. I didn't watch the whole clip before linking.

NSFW
NSFW
NSFW

71 winston06  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:05:54pm

re: #68 jetziger

Vote GOP if you care about the future of America....

72 Reluctant Democrat  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:06:08pm

How long till the media calls W. Virginians racist?

73 mitthrawnurdo  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:06:15pm

re: #61 winston06

Just wonderful..

/no difference between any of them on "global warming", sorry, "climate change".

74 gop_patriot  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:06:18pm

re: #36 itellu3times

Chicago democratic convention, riots in the streets, riots on the convention floor, as Da System nominated Hubert Horatio Humphrey, by then a senile old party hack, to oppose Richard Nixon, at the height of the Vietnam war.

The operative term being "riot".

The theme song. LOL

75 schultzw  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:06:19pm

re: #68 jetziger

Just as long as McCain doesn't keep talking about the climate change malarkey. I really like J-Mac, but can't stand his views on climate and the environment.

76 MandyManners  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:06:21pm

re: #63 Charles

Instalanche incoming, to the Tim Townsend post...

Maybe a good time to open registration?

77 winston06  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:06:36pm

re: #66 Idle Drifter

Take a vacation

78 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:06:45pm

re: #6 Lizard by the Bay

Doesn't matter. In poker terms, Hillary is "drawing dead". This may improve her hand, but Obama already has the Full House.

Remember the famous Dewey headline? (Then again, maybe you don't.)

79 HelloDare  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:06:47pm

re: #48 Yankee Division Son

58th state?

Didn't Obama say he had been to 57 states? He had one more to go and they wouldn't let him go to Alaska and Hawaii. That makes 60. He confused 50 with 60. Numeracy was never his strong point.

80 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:06:52pm
81 schultzw  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:07:20pm

re: #36 itellu3times

what's more appropriate than for HHH to get a crappy stadium named after him?

82 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:07:27pm

re: #76 MandyManners

Maybe a good time to open registration?

My tummy's grumblin'

83 gman  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:07:28pm

re: #50 JustMyView

I think I know the difference between a meaningful result, such as the one that occurred in the Mississippi house race tonight, and a meaningless result, such as the one that occurred in West Virginia. There's some symbolic significance and information relevant to the general election, but not to choosing the Dem candidate. At least I don't think so. :-)

Every day this race continues is meaningful because it speaks volumes about the current division among Democrats. No matter how you slice it and dice it, there are a lot of Democrats who do not want Obama for president.

84 Syrah  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:07:38pm

re: #52 infidelia

In other words, all the entertaining stuff we long to see again, this time in Denver.

Yep.

I've got the popcorn and beer all ready for the occasion.

85 salmon dave  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:07:44pm

re: #16 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Buyers' remorse may play a big part -- at least according to some of the comments on the thread I saw at Talk Left (admittedly a pro-Witch site).

86 mitthrawnurdo  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:07:48pm

re: #75 schultzw

And I think that his carbon cap-and-trade proposal will more than offset any good that his economical proposals will do.

/*sigh*, how did it come to this?

87 solomonpanting  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:08:19pm

re: #20 Killian Bundy

No Bonkey has won the general election without winning West Virginia since 1916.

/Hillary clinging to her last true talking point

She can show that if Florida's and Michigan's popular votes were in her column she'd have won that aspect, even though Obama would have the majority of delegates.
She can point out the Democrat's whining that Bush won the 2000 Election but lost the popular vote and how hypocritical it would now be to deny her the nomination on similar grounds.

88 laZardo  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:08:49pm

*reading up on the DNC '68*

Whoa. Those weren't the best of times...

89 Desert Dog  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:09:16pm

It does not matter how bad he loses now, it's a done deal. Just ask the NY Times, Ted Kennedy, Hamas, et al.....God himself could come down from heaven and vote for Hillary and it would not matter to the left: Barack Hussein Obama is their Man now.

The great not-so-White-but-not-really-Black Hope. He is their key to REALLY changing the the good old USofA.....get ready for the most obscene display of one sided and biased "journalism" from the MSM since Patty Hearst's granddaddy got us to attack Cuba. Let's hope there is enough common sense inside the electorate's brains and let's also hope there is enough clout in the new media (FoxNews, talk radio, and blogs like this one) to stop this soon to be travesty.......

90 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:09:25pm

re: #83 gman

Every day this race continues is meaningful because it speaks volumes about the current division among Democrats. No matter how you slice it and dice it, there are a lot of Democrats who do not want Obama for president.

Only because they're racists!
/

91 ted  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:10:03pm

What about his grandma ?

92 Idle Drifter  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:10:27pm

re: #77 winston06

Take a vacation

I've got to protect my stuff, I'd feel really stupid if I left town and something happened and I didn't get any pictures. Besides I'm using my vacation time to visit family back East and enjoy Lake Michigan and Western Michigan in summer.

93 Desert Dog  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:10:31pm

re: #91 ted

What about his grandma ?

She's still under the bus with the Right Rev. Wright

94 Mich-again  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:10:50pm

Yes (West) Virginia, there really is a Jeremiah Wright.

95 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:10:52pm

re: #69 lawhawk

Not true - Democrats have a two tier system in place since 1968 - to prevent a repeat of that disastrous convention.

You get pledged delegates - those chosen based on proportional results of the primaries, plus a number of superdelegates who are unpledged to any candidate, but can vote any way they see fit up to the time their votes are counted at the convention.

That's why you see Obama and Clinton jockeying for supers. They know that every vote can change hands between now and the convention - and it already has seen some swaps.

Correct, but it's not right to say "selected, not elected", because something like 2/3 of the delegates are selected in primaries and caucuses. There's an element of selection. How important the supers are depends on how close the primaries/caucuses are. They're important this year, but haven't been for several cycles.

96 jetziger  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:11:13pm

For some reason, people have this tendency to paint Bill Clinton's Presidency in a rosy light...

I remember being in Israel at the height of the "Lewinsky-cum-on-dress-gate" scandal, with Barelybelievable-Bill protesting his "innocence" before the world's TV cameras, while nationals of all stripes hooted with derision...'twas most embarrassing for me, as an American.

97 ted  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:11:25pm

This is going to be a great Thanksgiving.

98 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:11:45pm
99 ted  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:11:50pm

re: #93 Desert Dog

She's still under the bus with the Right Rev. Wright

I thought so.

100 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:11:57pm
101 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:12:12pm

re: #53 Killian Bundy

This a real electoral map problem for Obama. Besides the West Virginia jinx, he can't historically or mathematically win the general election without winning at least one southern (aka Bible Belt) State. Ask Kerry about that.

/name the southern State Obama has a chance in hell of winning

Perhaps Georgia? In any event, your logic is a little flawed. True, no one has won the Presidency without carrying one Southern state, but that doesn't mean they needed to. Clinton would have won re-election over Dole even if you took every southern state win away from him.

102 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:12:19pm

re: #67 laZardo

I would have to say that he has a good chance in the South. They'll definitely turn out in droves like it's the Civil Rights March all over again just to vote for him...

Those are red states.

/not even 90% of the black vote will turn them blue, but we'll see as the map starts coalescing

103 mikalm  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:12:25pm

re: #56 Slumbering Behemoth

These fellers were invited to play for a riot.

Yup. Great band, stupid politics.

104 gibsonz  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:12:38pm

Hillary is hanging on for two reasons...she was a lock in W.Virginia and Kentucky,after that she is toast and she knows it...if only we could hit the big trifecta and they all 3 could lose.

105 Desert Dog  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:14:31pm

The Road to Hell is paved with Superdelegates

This is an interesting article from Forbes via RealClearPolitics. Seems to me that Barry won a lot states in the primary that he will not win in the General....whereas Hildebeast won the biggies.....leave it to the Dems to make it so "fair" that it screws it up.....oh well, their intentions were good, so that's all that matters...right?

106 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:14:42pm

re: #36 itellu3times

1968 Chicago democratic convention, riots in the streets, riots on the convention floor, as Da System nominated Hubert Horatio Humphrey, by then a senile old party hack, to oppose Richard Nixon, at the height of the Vietnam war.

The operative term being "riot".

And Dan Rather getting punched in the stomach on the convention floor!

107 USBeast  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:15:13pm

Obama will have to self-destruct (a possibility) very soon for Lady MacBill to have a chance.

On a side note: However this election plays out, I would not trade places with Bill Clinton for anything this world has to offer. Win or lose, his life won't be worth living.

108 gman  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:15:15pm

Any idea where instalanche is coming from?

109 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:15:40pm

re: #101 Lizard by the Bay

This isn't shaping up as a landslide.

/current polls have 20% of Clinton voters boltering to McCain

110 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:15:53pm

re: #83 gman

Every day this race continues is meaningful because it speaks volumes about the current division among Democrats. No matter how you slice it and dice it, there are a lot of Democrats who do not want Obama for president.

You're right, but, based on the results so far, there are more who don't want Hillary to be president.

111 itellu3times  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:15:54pm

re: #81 schultzw

what's more appropriate than for HHH to get a crappy stadium named after him?

Well, it's sad, he'd been a lot better than that, back in the democratic socialist heydeys.

112 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:16:05pm

re: #63 Charles

Instalanche incoming, to the Tim Townsend post...

What is instalanche?

113 stevieray  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:16:19pm

re: #108 gman

Any idea where instalanche is coming from?

Don't tug on superman's cape.

114 Biff  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:16:30pm

re: #29 laZardo

Quick historical refresher...what happened in '68 again?

After Gene McCarthy's strong showing against LBJ in the early primaries, LBJ dropped out, announcing on national TV that he would not to seek the nomination. RFK entered the race and beat McCarthy in the definitive California primary only to be gunned down that night by a Pali terrorist named Sirhan Sirhan. The convention in Chicago was rigged to nominate LBJ's Veep Hubert Horatio Humphrey, who refused to challenge LBJ's position supporting the Viet Nam war. Virtually, every voter in the Dem primaries was disenfranchised. Many radical groups as well as thousands of young people and activists camped out by the lake in Chicago. When Mayor Daly's police attempted to clear them from the park and the streets outside of the convention, there was a sizable riot on two consecutive nights. Interestingly, John Belushi was at the head of one of the rows of protesters, and threw a cannister of tear gas back at the police. The police beat hundreds of protesters with clubs, and in the convention Daly was villified by the McCarthy supporters. It was a very ugly seen ending in the nomination of HHH, with Edmund Muskie as the VP nominee. The convention put the Dem campaign on a real downslope. Humphrey rallied late in the campaign and lost to Nixon in a squeaker. Had Humphrey disavowed the LBJ Viet Nam strategy at any time during the campaign he would likely have won. Today's crazy Dem nomination process is in great part a result of the 1968 election.

115 Sarge1984  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:16:47pm

re: #112 Bob in Breckenridge

Kind of like the Avs, only faster!

116 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:16:57pm

re: #105 Desert Dog

The Road to Hell is paved with Superdelegates

This is an interesting article from Forbes via RealClearPolitics. Seems to me that Barry won a lot states in the primary that he will not win in the General....whereas Hildebeast won the biggies.....leave it to the Dems to make it so "fair" that it screws it up.....oh well, their intentions were good, so that's all that matters...right?

Let's not forget the phenomenon of "caucuses", where the fringe (or "base" as the Dems lovingly call them) of the party determines the winner rather than popular vote. Obama cleaned up in every caucus, in states where he might never have carried the vote.

117 HelloDare  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:17:03pm

re: #113 stevieray

Don't tug on superman's cape.

The 57th state?

118 profitsbeard  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:17:11pm

Michelle must be gettin' less and less proud...

119 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:17:21pm

re: #106 Bob in Breckenridge

And Dan Rather getting punched in the stomach on the convention floor!

Priceless!

120 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:17:27pm
121 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:18:21pm

re: #112 Bob in Breckenridge

What is instalanche?

/a link from the puppy blender

122 pingjockey  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:18:21pm

re: #114 Biff
And Dan Rather got mugged by Mayor Daileys goons on live tv!

123 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:18:46pm

re: #115 Sarge1984

Kind of like the Avs, only faster!

OIC. Thanks.

124 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:19:10pm

re: #17 itellu3times

In the Obama administration, West Virginia will be ceded to the Palestinians.

Hamas in Huntington...Fatah gets Morgantown? Yikes...

125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:19:33pm

re: #108 gman

Any idea where instalanche is coming from?

What's an instalanche? (he asked shyly)

126 Desert Dog  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:20:30pm

re: #124 brainwizard73

Hamas in Huntington...Fatah gets Morgantown? Yikes...

My money would be on the Hillbilly's in that battle!

127 pingjockey  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:20:37pm

re: #124 brainwizard73
Never happen. Too many deer rifles and people who know how to use them!

128 lummox  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:21:02pm

It's time to drive a stake through Ms. Clinton's heart.

Let's get this show on the road.

129 Slumbering Behemoth  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:21:09pm

re: #103 mikalm

Great music, stupid politics, dangerous incitement.

130 HelloDare  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:21:15pm

re: #119 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I think that was Bill Burkett that punched Rather. I've seen a memo about it.

131 stevieray  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:21:30pm

re: #114 Biff

Good recap. I would add that the democrats' ungainly delegate/superdelegate system is also a reflection of that core democrat value... elitism. For all their talk about being the party of the regular folks, in their hearts they really don't trust them.

132 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:22:16pm

re: #66 Idle Drifter

God don't remind me, I just moved here. I better get ready for any possible Anarchist uprising. Governent peanut butter and crackers, bottled water, fire exstiguisher, 3000 rounds of pepper balls///////////

Consider Kevlar!

133 shug  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:22:16pm

re: #128 lummox

It's time to drive a stake through Ms. Clinton's heart.

Let's get this show on the road.

what heart?

134 Desert Dog  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:22:18pm

re: #130 HelloDare

I think that was Bill Burkett that punched Rather. I've seen a memo about it.

Yes, and if you listen very hard, he is saying "What's the Frequency, Kenneth"? too

135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:22:29pm

Ah man, James Garner had a stroke? Just saw it on Yahoo. He'd be fun to hang out with.

What's an instalanche?

136 jcm  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:22:39pm

re: #125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What's an instalanche? (he asked shyly)

A link at instapundit.com followed by overworked hamsters.

137 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:23:02pm

Just because us plebian lizardoids cannot see the instalanche does not imply that it does not exist. Patience, grasshoppers.

138 gibsonz  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:23:04pm

re: #128 lummox

It's time to drive a stake through Ms. Clinton's heart.
------
Why Clinton`s are so hard to get rid of...there is no heart to drive a stake thru...!

139 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:23:32pm

re: #127 pingjockey

Never happen. Too many deer rifles and people who know how to use them!

My mom's family is from WV hill country...seriously, Pawpaw grew up in a shack with corn cobs in the walls for insulation. Not exactly the 1986 pinot noir and stilton set.

140 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:23:38pm

re: #132 brainwizard73

Consider Kevlar Colorado Springs!

/Much safer.

141 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:23:55pm

lummox sounds flummoxed.

142 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:24:22pm

re: #78 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I don't "remember it" in the sense of being there (I wasn't), but I'm not ignorant of my country's political history, either.

143 Racer X  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:24:30pm

re: #128 lummox

It's time to drive a stake through Ms. Clinton's heart.

Let's get this show on the road.

I agree.

Obama is unelectable - clearly the easier opponent for McCain at this point. If Hillary manages to jump back in McCain could be in trouble.

Part of me still believes she will steal the nomination from Obama. *cue spooky music*

144 pingjockey  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:25:13pm

re: #139 brainwizard73
My moms side of the family is from Arkansas. I don't think the paleosimians would do well in the Ozarks or Appalachians!

145 Mich-again  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:25:43pm

re: #131 stevieray

For all their talk about being the party of the regular folks, in their hearts they really don't trust them.

Of course not! They were educated by party hacks in the classroom to be ignorant and reliant on the gubmit.

146 hermeneutics  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:25:51pm

Who is McCain's primary speechwriter? Do any of you know?

147 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:25:58pm

re: #53 Killian Bundy

name the southern State Obama has a chance in hell of winning

Some think he can win Virginia. It is, increasingly, an urban state with a diverse population. Northern Virginia, in particular, is an affluent area w/ a well-educated population. Moderate to conservative Democrats have recently won statewide races. I believe Obama won the VA primary w/ a total of 64% of the vote.

148 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:26:15pm

re: #146 hermeneutics

Who is McCain's primary speechwriter? Do any of you know?

Hope it's not Ben Stein.

/running and ducking

149 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:26:34pm

re: #140 Bob in Breckenridge

/Much safer.

Leave to someone else to show me the way.

150 paradox42  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:26:59pm

re: #147 JustMyView

well-educated population.

Shouldn't that hurt his chances?

151 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:27:24pm

re: #146 hermeneutics

Who is McCain's primary speechwriter? Do any of you know?

Mark Salter.

152 Desert Dog  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:27:42pm

re: #150 paradox42

Shouldn't that hurt his chances?

Well educated does not mean wiser....

153 EE  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:27:45pm

Barack Hussein Obama is pretty much like George McGovern -- he has the hormonally driven college students and the left-wing elites in his camp -- plus his skin color has the black vote locked up (but they always vote Dem no matter what) -- with a Marxist history, some very bad associates, an unending series of lies in the Pastorgate cover-up, wet behind the ears with no accomplishments whatsoever, and his outstanding hucksterism of unspecified change.

Glad that West Virginia voters had his number.

154 x-ray  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:27:56pm

re: #146 hermeneutics

Who is McCain's primary speechwriter? Do any of you know?

I'd bet Al Gore lately.

155 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:28:06pm

re: #136 jcm

A link at instapundit.com followed by overworked hamsters.

[Link: icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com...]

156 sonoffar  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:28:20pm

re: #53 Killian Bundy


/name the southern State Obama has a chance in hell of winning

Gaza Strip

157 hermeneutics  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:28:41pm

re: #151 Bob in Breckenridge

That's what I thought, but I wasn't sure if Salter was still around.

158 jcm  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:29:11pm

re: #155 goddessoftheclassroom

[Link: icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com.. .]

GET THOSE HAMSTER BACK TO WORK!
ROFL!

159 freetoken  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:29:21pm

The important point (obviously) is on page 4:

Was Race of Candidate Important to You
Clinton(voters) Obama (voters)

Yes: 81% 13%

No: 59% 34%


So there you have it, racists prefer Hillary by over a 6:1 ratio...

Should someone who so divides this country by race be encouraged to stay in the campaign? Should she not, for the sake of healing America, withdraw?

160 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:29:30pm

re: #144 pingjockey

My moms side of the family is from Arkansas. I don't think the paleosimians would do well in the Ozarks or Appalachians!

The biggest thing about these places is that they are genuine and they smell rats a mile away. They don't stand for bull.

Barack (and the little woman) are pulling a large train behind them.

161 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:29:33pm

re: #150 paradox42

Shouldn't that hurt his chances?

No. Over-educated elitists love Obama's shit. Just like they love communism. It's only been the worst plauge on humanity several times over, so there's really no good reason not to try it again.

/never try to understand an over-educated Dem. The extra education is to teach them how not to pay attention to common sense.

162 Desert Dog  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:29:33pm

re: #156 sonoffar

/name the southern State Obama has a chance in hell of winning

Gaza Strip

He will have all the absentee ballots from Tehran, Damascus and S. Beirut as well

163 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:29:56pm

re: #147 JustMyView

Some think he can win Virginia. It is, increasingly, an urban state with a diverse population. Northern Virginia, in particular, is an affluent area w/ a well-educated population. Moderate to conservative Democrats have recently won statewide races. I believe Obama won the VA primary w/ a total of 64% of the vote.

Langley really disrupts that theory. Well-educated? You make the call.

164 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:30:11pm

I haven't visited CNN since they posted a terrorist propaganda video as "news". I'll have to see the numbers elsewhere.

165 Biff  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:30:12pm

If Hillary does managed to come back and convince the convention to NObama, she will have a hell of a lot of momentum, even without much of the black voters turning out, which could really hurt her in Illinois and Pennsylvania.

166 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:30:15pm

re: #148 Lizard by the Bay

Hope it's not Ben Stein.

/running and ducking

Clear Eyes are Awesome!

Wow!

167 Charles  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:30:44pm

The days when a high traffic link would cause our hamsters to go into hypoglycemic shock are over.

We're running on heavy fuel now.

168 USBeast  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:31:38pm

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169 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:31:41pm
170 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:31:45pm

re: #164 Pawn of the Oppressor

I haven't visited CNN since they posted a terrorist propaganda video as "news". I'll have to see the numbers elsewhere.

Same here. The sniper video did it for me. I do watch Glenn Beck sometimes but that's it.

171 Sharmuta  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:31:49pm

Awesome- she kicked his ass, big time! You GO, girl.

172 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:32:06pm

re: #167 Charles

The days when a high traffic link would cause our hamsters to go into hypoglycemic shock are over.

We're running on heavy fuel now.

Hence the dancing hamsters (see my 155)

173 shug  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:32:08pm
Those hamsters are juiced.

- Jose Canseco

174 Desert Dog  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:32:09pm

re: #163 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Eggheads and blacks......and 90%+ of the MSM, droning on constantly how great he is, while forgiving or ignoring any possible problems

175 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:32:17pm

re: #147 JustMyView

Some think he can win Virginia. It is, increasingly, an urban state with a diverse population. Northern Virginia, in particular, is an affluent area w/ a well-educated population. Moderate to conservative Democrats have recently won statewide races. I believe Obama won the VA primary w/ a total of 64% of the vote.

/we'll see, six months is an eternity in politics, plenty of time to expose Obama for the socialist hack he is

176 MandyManners  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:32:17pm

re: #168 USBeast

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177 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:32:18pm

re: #167 Charles

The days when a high traffic link would cause our hamsters to go into hypoglycemic shock are over.

We're running on heavy fuel now.

You mean Heavy Fuel!

178 jcm  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:32:49pm

re: #167 Charles

The days when a high traffic link would cause our hamsters to go into hypoglycemic shock are over.

We're running on heavy fuel now.

Heavy Fuel.

179 rawmuse  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:32:54pm

I'm an egghead and I am not for Obama. What the heck is wrong with me?

180 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:33:03pm

re: #159 freetoken

Should someone who so divides this country by race be encouraged to stay in the campaign?

Agree. I invite Barack Obama to suspend his campaign.

Uh, Barack? Hellooo?

181 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:33:06pm

re: #146 hermeneutics

Who is McCain's primary speechwriter? Do any of you know?

I think it's Mark Salter.

182 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:33:13pm

re: #159 freetoken

The important point (obviously) is on page 4:


So there you have it, racists prefer Hillary by over a 6:1 ratio...

Should someone who so divides this country by race be encouraged to stay in the campaign? Should she not, for the sake of healing America, withdraw?

34% of Obama supporters say that race doesn't matter, but 94% of that portion of the electorate identified by the mainstream media as black is voting for Obama.

What portion of the electorate identified by the msm as white is voting for Hillary?

The problem with simplistic propaganda is that it's just stupid.

183 Idle Drifter  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:33:22pm

re: #132 brainwizard73

Consider Kevlar!

I really don't think that we'll see a redo of '68 but after reading some of the Anarchists' websites it wouldn't hurt to be prepared. I'm well outside Denver proper with much of the action that may take place down town near the media cameras around the DNC. I do know the Police, FBI and the Secrete Service are going over their plans and training for multiples of different scenarios. Though the ACLU had thrown a monkey wrench into that planning with that lawsuit over the DNC security plans. Whatever bad may happen the police will be out in force with riot gear, horses, helicopter, etc. to maintain control in and around the DNC and Denver as well. The only intangibles I can think of happening near me would be from local idiots and the local police will be on alert for such noise.

184 snowcrash  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:33:24pm

Does anyone have a grudging respect for the toughness Hillary has shown in this campaign? I didn't expect it after the tears in N.H.

185 Desert Dog  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:33:31pm

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186 gibsonz  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:34:11pm

re: #177 Bob in Breckenridge

Mark is always running on heavy fuel...what a guitar player.

187 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:34:14pm

re: #178 jcm

Heavy Fuel.

Beat you by 21 seconds! GTMA...

188 paradox42  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:34:17pm

I like what my dad said about Obama:

"If I wanted change, I'd go to the bank."

And with that thought I take my leave. Good night everybody.

189 Biff  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:34:21pm

re: #169 buzzsawmonkey

And "diversity" can't bear dissension.

Ain't that the truth.

190 laZardo  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:34:21pm

re: #167 Charles

You mean you're finally using humans instead of hamsters?

/bwahahaha

191 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:34:33pm

re: #184 snowcrash

Does anyone have a grudging respect for the toughness Hillary has shown in this campaign? I didn't expect it after the tears in N.H.

I must confess I do.

192 jcm  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:34:52pm

re: #187 Bob in Breckenridge

Beat you by 21 seconds! GTMA...

LOL! Too slow on the keys.

193 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:34:56pm

re: #162 Desert Dog

He will have all the absentee ballots from Tehran, Damascus and S. Beirut as well

"Ignore the outlying Sudan precincts at your own peril," says Michael Barone.

194 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:35:01pm
195 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:35:13pm

re: #187 Bob in Breckenridge

Beat you by 21 seconds! GTMA...

Crap. 31 seconds.

/The new math.

196 MandyManners  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:35:22pm

re: #179 rawmuse

I'm an egghead and I am not for Obama. What the heck is wrong with me?

Hard-boiled?

197 Desert Dog  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:35:29pm

re: #179 rawmuse

I'm an egghead and I am not for Obama. What the heck is wrong with me?

You have not had a great fall off a wall. All of the king's horses and men are busy putting the others heads back together again

198 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:35:30pm

re: #167 Charles

The days when a high traffic link would cause our hamsters to go into hypoglycemic shock are over.

We're running on heavy fuel now.

Years from now I can tell my daughters "I remember when LGF would get bogged down from a lot of people reading it." My daughter replies "Wow daddy...is that when President Johnson was building it?"

199 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:35:36pm
200 Shug  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:36:55pm
201 hermeneutics  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:37:15pm

re: #179 rawmuse

Rawmuse, Perhaps you're more hardboiled?

202 HelloDare  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:37:22pm

re: #191 goddessoftheclassroom

Me, too. But then I also have a sort of respect for the anopheles mosquito.

203 MandyManners  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:37:49pm

re: #184 snowcrash

Does anyone have a grudging respect for the toughness Hillary has shown in this campaign? I didn't expect it after the tears in N.H.

The tears were fake.

204 USBeast  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:38:12pm

re: #184 snowcrash

Does anyone have a grudging respect for the toughness Hillary has shown in this campaign? I didn't expect it after the tears in N.H.

I don't know if I'd call it "toughness". Yes, Hillary is tough. She is also ruthless and I believe she is still looking for a chance, any chance, to hamstring Obama.

205 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:38:18pm

re: #198 NJDhockeyfan

Years from now I can tell my daughters "I remember when LGF would get bogged down from a lot of people reading it." My daughter replies "Wow daddy...is that when President Johnson was building it?"

Of my own heart. Thank you.

206 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:38:22pm

re: #183 Idle Drifter

I really don't think that we'll see a redo of '68 but after reading some of the Anarchists' websites it wouldn't hurt to be prepared. I'm well outside Denver proper with much of the action that may take place down town near the media cameras around the DNC. I do know the Police, FBI and the Secrete Service are going over their plans and training for multiples of different scenarios. Though the ACLU had thrown a monkey wrench into that planning with that lawsuit over the DNC security plans. Whatever bad may happen the police will be out in force with riot gear, horses, helicopter, etc. to maintain control in and around the DNC and Denver as well. The only intangibles I can think of happening near me would be from local idiots and the local police will be on alert for such noise.

It probably is a bit over blown but since the Dems still think the world is as it was in 1968, the new generation of Dems (and nut-job lefties) will want to have a "1968" moment. That should be a concern.

Of course if the police crack down, you know who will get blamed, right?

(Bush!)

207 jaunte  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:38:34pm

re: #203 MandyManners

Tack in her shoe?

208 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:38:34pm

re: #159 freetoken

So there you have it, racists prefer Hillary by over a 6:1 ratio...

Should someone who so divides this country by race be encouraged to stay in the campaign? Should she not, for the sake of healing America, withdraw?

Why not? Hillary just drove home the obvious tonight. Racism works both ways, actually, in all directions.

/like it or not, it's going to be an issue in the general election, if anything, the recent 90+% black solidarity for Obama should be more than a little bit disturbing to the racial get along gang

209 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:38:52pm

re: #202 HelloDare

Me, too. But then I also have a sort of respect for the anopheles mosquito.

I understand.

At the same time, as much as I despise her, I think she is more of a real leader than Obama.

210 Last Mohican  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:39:06pm

re: #167 Charles

Indeed, the site remains lightning-quick, and the throaty roar emanating from the engine room is awe-inspiring.

I guess the anabolic steroids you've been injecting into the hamsters are paying off. I just hope they don't all break out through the front gate one day. The carnage could be extensive.

211 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:39:19pm

re: #184 snowcrash

Does anyone have a grudging respect for the toughness Hillary has shown in this campaign? I didn't expect it after the tears in N.H.

Absolutely. If Fred Thompson were subject to this onslaught, his head would explode.

212 Sarge1984  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:39:20pm

re: #200 Shug

Armageddon?

NSFW-ish.

213 MandyManners  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:39:31pm

re: #207 jaunte

Tack in her shoe?

Or, she bit the inside of her mouth.

214 USBeast  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:40:54pm

re: #185 Desert Dog

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215 sngnsgt  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:41:07pm

HILL HINTS SHE'S SET TO PULL THE PLUG

CHARLESTON, W.Va. - Barack Obama yesterday turned his sights on winning the White House in November, as Hillary Rodham Clinton hinted she might wrap up her campaign as early as next week.

OBAMA AIMS FOR NOV.

216 hermeneutics  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:41:10pm

Okay, so ... I want to contact Mark Salter. Not McCain. Salter. Any ideas as to how to get directly to him via either email or snailmail?

If I mail something to the Arlington headquarters for McCain, it will probably be opened by some college volunteer. THat's what I'm trying to avoid.

Ideas?

217 Desert Dog  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:41:12pm

re: #210 Last Mohican

Indeed, the site remains lightning-quick, and the throaty roar emanating from the engine room is awe-inspiring.

I guess the anabolic steroids you've been injecting into the hamsters are paying off. I just hope they don't all break out through the front gate one day. The carnage could be extensive.

They are not even breaking a sweat these days

218 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:41:20pm
219 Last Mohican  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:41:25pm

re: #213 MandyManners

Or, she bit the inside of her mouth.

I don't think there's any physical pain that could be as upsetting to Hillary as the prospect of losing money and power.

220 freetoken  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:41:47pm

re: #208 Killian Bundy


/like it or not, it's going to be an issue in the general election, if anything, the recent 90+% black solidarity for Obama should be more than a little bit disturbing to the racial get along gang

Well, Bill Clinton, America's First Black President, used to poll those sort of numbers with African-Americans.

Ironic, isn't it.

Yes, I fully expect the race card to be played so many ways that the bicycle on the back will be worn off....

221 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:42:00pm

HELP! HELP! The world as we know it is ending.

There was a Republican primary tonight and ABC is reporting that Ron Paul got NO VOTES.

I demand an immediate congressional and FBI investigation.

222 Shug  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:42:13pm

re: #214 USBeast

But that's not all! Call within the next ten minutes and we'll double your order. Just pay shipping and handling.


try my product

223 Racer X  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:42:19pm

re: #212 Sarge1984

Armageddon?

NSFW-ish.

ISH? ? ?


ROFLMAO! !

224 HelloDare  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:42:52pm

re: #209 goddessoftheclassroom

Yes. But then, other than her campaign, what has she run that she didn't screw up or throw into a scandal? Obama has shown no ability to lead. He won all his elections because his opponents ran into trouble.

225 Biff  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:43:00pm

How soon will it be before some MSM journalist attempts to take credit for being the first person to declare the Obama is unelectable?

226 Last Mohican  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:43:02pm
227 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:43:03pm

re: #203 MandyManners

The tears were fake.

O'Reilly pointed out on his radio show that Hillary started using her fake southern accent again in WV.

228 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:43:30pm

re: #218 buzzsawmonkey

As I said in a previous thread, Fred Thompson's brief foray into the Presidential race looked like nothing so much as though he was blundering around looking for the men's room at a second-rate country club, after having drunk too much domestic champagne at a reception.

LOL. Good thing old Fred has a soft pillow at night...and his wife isn't ugly either.

Have to respect HRC...can't deny she's a gamer. Gamey? Yes, but a gamer.

229 Sharmuta  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:44:03pm

re: #159 freetoken

Wow- is that ever a misleading post.

Was Race of Candidate Important to You:

Yes: 22%
No: 77%

Of the 22% who said yes- 89% went for Clinton. OK- but they already admitted race was a factor, and they are a minority.

Of the 77%- 59% went to Clinton.

There was also a breakdown of the same question but posed in terms of Gender- should we read too much into that as well?

230 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:44:03pm

I maintain that at least one person will be leaving the convention floor feet-first. There will be injuries at the very least, but I think at least one person will be killed.

231 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:44:10pm

re: #220 freetoken

Well, Bill Clinton, America's First Black President, used to poll those sort of numbers with African-Americans.

No, no, no.

/Bill Clinton never polled over 90% of the black vote

232 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:44:33pm

re: #215 sngnsgt

HILL HINTS SHE'S SET TO PULL THE PLUG

OBAMA AIMS FOR NOV.

Her job is done. Her candidacy in 12 is assured.

233 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:44:36pm

re: #216 hermeneutics

Okay, so ... I want to contact Mark Salter. Not McCain. Salter. Any ideas as to how to get directly to him via either email or snailmail?

If I mail something to the Arlington headquarters for McCain, it will probably be opened by some college volunteer. THat's what I'm trying to avoid.

Ideas?

Registered mail?

234 Last Mohican  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:44:39pm

re: #227 Bob in Breckenridge

O'Reilly pointed out on his radio show that Hillary started using her fake southern accent again in WV.

Really? I'd love to hear a clip.

I'll bet she didn't bust out the "ah've come too far to turn back now" routine, though.

235 Shug  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:44:40pm

re: #212 Sarge1984


still laughing

236 Sarge1984  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:44:46pm

re: #223 Racer X

ISH? ? ?


ROFLMAO! !

Well...I figured "-ish" because it was broadcast on the radio....

237 USBeast  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:44:54pm

re: #222 Shug

try my product

Only if there's a free sample.

238 hazzyday  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:45:09pm

I'm not convinced Hilary is out until Obama has the real numbers. McCain was also out in last place. Admittedly before anyone had voted. I want to see the mashup collage of the Super Delegates with Obama and friends. How is a super delegate for Obama any different from Rev Wright. ... Especially one that has switched out of the Hillary camp.

239 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:45:14pm
240 rawmuse  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:45:19pm

re: #201 hermeneutics

Rawmuse, Perhaps you're more hardboiled?

I'm still clinging to my guns and religion. That negates my egg-headedness.

241 MandyManners  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:46:23pm

re: #219 Last Mohican

I don't think there's any physical pain that could be as upsetting to Hillary as the prospect of losing money and power.

The tears were real?

242 freetoken  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:46:43pm

re: #229 Sharmuta

Wow- is that ever a misleading post.

Ummm... that was the point.

243 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:46:56pm

re: #215 sngnsgt

HILL HINTS SHE'S SET TO PULL THE PLUG

OBAMA AIMS FOR NOV.

Is this for real? How much cred does this get?

244 Last Mohican  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:47:01pm

re: #241 MandyManners

The tears were real?

That's what I'm thinking.

245 hermeneutics  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:47:02pm

re: #240 rawmuse

Actually, it doesn't negate anything, Raw -- you're both intellectual and a straight shooter.

246 freetoken  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:47:24pm

re: #231 Killian Bundy

No, no, no.

/Bill Clinton never polled over 90% of the black vote

Are you sure about that? I could have sworn that in certain states that Bill did indeed poll over the 90% figure.

247 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:47:27pm

re: #224 HelloDare

Yes. But then, other than her campaign, what has she run that she didn't screw up or throw into a scandal? Obama has shown no ability to lead. He won all his elections because his opponents ran into trouble.

I agree with you completely, but I still argue that even when she's making a mistake, she makes decisions. I can't stand wafflers (although I adore waffles).

248 MandyManners  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:47:38pm

re: #227 Bob in Breckenridge

O'Reilly pointed out on his radio show that Hillary started using her fake southern accent again in WV.

I was about to ask if she has no shame.

249 swamprat  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:47:50pm

this just in; fire does not melt steel and cellphones don't work in flight.

troofers exposed as fools

250 Ojoe  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:48:04pm
251 itellu3times  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:48:33pm

re: #246 freetoken

Are you sure about that? I could have sworn that in certain states that Bill did indeed poll over the 90% figure.

Probably about 103% in some districts.

252 rawmuse  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:48:47pm

re: #243 brainwizard73

Is this for real? How much cred does this get?

She is spending her own $. When your campaign is low on money, you have to pay cash for everything. Your credit isn't worth squat. Obama, on the other hand, is swimming in it. It makes a huge difference.

253 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:48:53pm

re: #220 freetoken

African-Americans

/and that's a really quaint term, if you're interested in ending racism

254 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:48:53pm

re: #175 Killian Bundy

we'll see, six months is an eternity in politics

Absolutely! Lots of things could happen. But if I were an opponent of Obama, I don't think I would be spending my time on a blog writing comments about whom he might or might not have met with or worrying out which goofballs are putting up blogs on his web site.

More 1.5 million people have contributed several hundred million dollars to his campaign. More than 17 million people have voted for him, and something like that number have voted for Sen. Clinton. Most of them will vote for Obama in the fall. About 3 million new voters have registered as Democrats during the primary season. Last weekend, Obama launched a nationwide voter registration campaign that will help to boost turnout in the fall for him and other Democrats. (The new registrants can, of course, vote for anyone, but Obama will, in most cases, have their names and contact info so they can be targeted in fall GOTV campaigns.)

In a poll released today, 81% of the population said they think the country is on the wrong track. Republicans have lost, by substantial margins, special elections in three House districts that had been strongly Republican for many years.

But if you want to keep worrying about which magazine cover Obama's face is on, who he's had lunch with lately, or what kind of lapel pin he is wearing, go right ahead.

255 hermeneutics  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:49:05pm

Any other ideas as to how to contact Mark Salter directly? I'm serious, here. And stumped. I've done the internet search and can't find a viable address, except the headquarters in Arlington.

256 gop_patriot  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:49:57pm

re: #212 Sarge1984

ROFLOLOL!

257 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:50:00pm

re: #242 freetoken

Ummm... that was the point.

Thanks for the sarc tag. Without it, we wouldn't have had a clue.

258 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:50:19pm

re: #252 rawmuse

She is spending her own $. When your campaign is low on money, you have to pay cash for everything. Your credit isn't worth squat. Obama, on the other hand, is swimming in it. It makes a huge difference.

True.

However, why now? Why not after Kentucky? Why not see if she can get an "Obama" state? All indications were she would be in until at least June 3.

259 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:50:40pm

re: #220 freetoken

Yes, I fully expect the race card to be played so many ways that the bicycle on the back will be worn off....

Yep, the card will be worn thinner than Amy Goodman's hair.

260 laZardo  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:50:51pm

re: #239 buzzsawmonkey

Mmm, irony.

261 Biff  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:51:34pm

NEWSFLASH. The MSM has discovered pre-diversity Real American Democrats hiding in the hills of West Virginia, and apparently they have access to the internet.

The MSM keeps claiming that there are subtle signs that Hillary is ready to end it. Must be the kool aid. ABC Nightline is trying to bury her right now.

Boy, is Rush going to have a good time tomorrow.

262 Desert Dog  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:51:35pm

re: #254 JustMyView

Wow, I guess we should just give up then, it's a lost cause.....

263 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:51:36pm
264 sngnsgt  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:51:40pm

re: #243 brainwizard73

Is this for real? How much cred does this get?

I was hoping she would suck up some votes only to be a spoiler.

265 Shug  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:51:42pm

re: #258 brainwizard73

True.

However, why now? Why not after Kentucky? Why not see if she can get an "Obama" state? All indications were she would be in until at least June 3.

Operation Chaos costs her nothing.
She's getting millions of dollars in free advertising from Limbaugh.
Amd lots of operation chaos foot soldiers.

Don't quit Hillary. Lots of republicans want to vote for you before they vote against you

266 Yankee Division Son  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:51:43pm

re: #212 Sarge1984

Bwahaha!

267 MandyManners  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:51:46pm

re: #244 Last Mohican

That's what I'm thinking.

268 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:51:49pm

I want to nominate JMV for Moby Cum Laude.

269 Steffan  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:51:50pm

re: #15 jcm

denver denver Denver DENVER DENVER

I've got the popcorn.

270 jainphx  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:52:29pm

re: #254 JustMyView

You obviously haven' heard of operation Chaos have you.

271 laZardo  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:52:42pm

re: #269 Steffan

Cheesed or plain buttered?

272 MandyManners  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:52:55pm

re: #254 JustMyView

He's George Soros' tool.

273 Susanl  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:53:02pm

re: #177 Bob in Breckenridge

re: #178 jcm

That was funny. One right after the other. I guess great minds do think alike. :)

Susan

274 Charles  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:53:24pm

I'm beginning to think 'JustMyView' is getting tired of having an LGF account.

275 Sarge1984  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:54:07pm

re: #256 gop_patriot

I remember when that urban legend came out. The Navy Recruiter next door brought it over to us printed out from the computer, laughing his butt off.

276 Sharmuta  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:54:45pm

%u266A %u266A The thread is alive...with the sounds of shilling..... %u266A %u266A

277 Desert Dog  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:54:46pm

I heard Barry has a brighter than average aura, has sweat that smells like flowers and the sun shines out of his bum too.....It's a long way to November Just My View

278 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:54:54pm

re: #251 itellu3times

Probably about 103% in some districts.

Wasn't it in one inner-city Philadelphia voting district more people voted than were registered in 2004?

279 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:55:14pm

re: #194 buzzsawmonkey

Yep. I particularly enjoy the way she has the Democrats--in the party and the media both--loosening their bowels over fear of democracy.

No one is afraid of democracy. What's apparent is that, under the rules established by the DNC, she has lost in democratic primary elections and caucuses. The remaining contests can be held, but they cannot change the result.

The current situation is akin to a sports contest in which there are games remaining in the schedule after it's already been determined which teams will be in the playoff. The objection is not to democracy, but to whether it's worthwhile to play those games when they can have no effect except, potentially, to damage the winner.

As a former resident of a small state, I can see the appeal of having them continue, but I'm not sure that's a justification.

280 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:55:17pm
281 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:55:18pm

re: #246 freetoken

Are you sure about that? I could have sworn that in certain states that Bill did indeed poll over the 90% figure.

Link it. I'm not immune to facts. I always remember the Republican black vote being at least somewhere in the teens.

/it was up there, maybe in the 80-90% range, tops, but Obama is setting records for black voting cohesion, something's different this time, wonder what it is

282 MandyManners  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:55:59pm
283 jainphx  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:56:03pm

There is much more on Obama to come, you can make book on it.

284 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:56:28pm

re: #254 JustMyView

So among all the stats are we going to get some juicy ones? Axelrod's hat size? The number of lipstick shades Michelle keeps in her purse? And of course...boxers or briefs.

Wait...I must have heard an Obama commercial...I am...getting the urge...to donate...online...must warn others...

[brainwizard73 faints]

285 The Other Les  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:56:29pm

re: #179 rawmuse

I'm an egghead and I am not for Obama. What the heck is wrong with me?

You're living in the real world.

286 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:56:33pm
287 NGrove  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:56:38pm

re: #212 Sarge1984

You have too much free time. Almost spit my beer out. Good thing I have some self control.

288 stevieray  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:57:54pm

I don't think Hillary can get the backing to run again in '12... its now or never. The Clintons won't have the pull to keep one of their own in the party chairmanship, and Obama will see to it that the Clintonista purge is deep and thorough. They will be outsiders in their own party.

289 Biff  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:58:09pm

re: #254 JustMyView

More 1.5 million people have contributed several hundred million dollars to his campaign.


How many Saudi and Emirites dollars have been funnelled into the Obama campaign? Investigative journalism my A*s.

290 jaunte  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:58:12pm

re: #282 MandyManners

Some light reading for your edification.

"Other states vote; New York invests.”
--Julius Genachowski, law-school friend of Obama

291 Racer X  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:59:07pm

My vote is to keep it around.

292 Steffan  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:59:09pm

re: #51 lawhawk

Heck, it could turn the other way, as Obama currently leads in popular vote, but Hillary gets the supers to go to her side based on the results in WV and the remaining states. Either way, you've got the party getting cleaved in two because they are seriously flawed candidates and the process by which the primaries operates created the conditions. Watch the DNC to "fix" the problem with adjustments to how they conduct primaries going forward.

The party hierarchy created this mess. It's only justice that their chickens are flocking home big time.

If they'd used the rules that the Republican Party has in place, Hillary would be the candidate, with no question about it. They have only themselves to blame.

293 rawmuse  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:59:38pm

The reason why polls that ask if "America is on the wrong track" are misleading, are because they do not define what the "right track" is.
The government to me, is on the "wrong track" because it is too far Left. To another person the government is on the "wrong track" because it is too far Right. The poll question is guaranteed to result in a large number of dissatisfied responses that. It is an old ruse.

294 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 8:59:52pm
295 Steffan  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:00:11pm

re: #271 laZardo

Plain buttered, but I've got cheese seasoning if you want it.

296 jainphx  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:00:42pm

To me the fact that McCain lost to Huckabee is more interesting.

297 Desert Dog  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:01:20pm

re: #288 stevieray

I don't think Hillary can get the backing to run again in '12... its now or never. The Clintons won't have the pull to keep one of their own in the party chairmanship, and Obama will see to it that the Clintonista purge is deep and thorough. They will be outsiders in their own party.

Yes, but after Iran walks all over Prez. Obama, the economy tanks even more and a strange "deja vu-ish" malaise takes hold in the psyche of the average American, Hillary will be there...like a phoenix turd that just will not flush down to take over the reins of the destroyed Democratic party....

298 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:01:25pm

re: #245 hermeneutics

So did your son get an "A" on his assignment, or the "Jayson Blair" prize? ;)

299 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:02:04pm

re: #279 JustMyView

No one is afraid of democracy. What's apparent is that, under the rules established by the DNC, she has lost in democratic primary elections and caucuses. The remaining contests can be held, but they cannot change the result.

The current situation is akin to a sports contest in which there are games remaining in the schedule after it's already been determined which teams will be in the playoff. The objection is not to democracy, but to whether it's worthwhile to play those games when they can have no effect except, potentially, to damage the winner.

As a former resident of a small state, I can see the appeal of having them continue, but I'm not sure that's a justification.

Seriously, you cannot be that stupid. Until she is ELIMINATED she has every right to stay in it.

Newsflash, JMV- Obama has NOT clinched it, to use your sports analogy. Get a clue.

300 Racer X  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:02:05pm

re: #294 buzzsawmonkey

--and frankly wish that some of the Republican candidates had had the buckram to stick it through the primaries instead of dropping out early.


Excellent point.

We all know who was skewing the polls FOR McCain early on.

301 Shug  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:02:11pm

re: #289 Biff

How many Saudi and Emirites dollars have been funnelled into the Obama campaign? Investigative journalism my A*s.

I don't know but Obama is planning on redecorating the Lincoln Prince bin talal alwaleed bedroom as soon as he's sworn in

302 freetoken  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:02:41pm

re: #278 Bob in Breckenridge

Good question about city turnouts....

Here is an article with a table summarizing 5 previous elections (wrt Black vote).

I could swear, though, that in one of Bill's victories he carried an amazingly high % of black votes in certain locations - vaguely I remember that being a news/pundit item.

303 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:03:04pm

re: #254 JustMyView

Wrong track? Elect Obama and you'll see first hand what wrong track looks like. I'll fight on for the future of the country.

/because I don't care to live in France

304 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:03:04pm

Compared to Michelle, Obama looks like a wimp. I hope he's not one of those battered, er somethings. Waffles, perhaps?

305 jetprop  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:03:52pm

re: #279 JustMyView

No one is afraid of democracy. What's apparent is that, under the rules established by the DNC, she has lost in democratic primary elections and caucuses. The remaining contests can be held, but they cannot change the result.

The current situation is akin to a sports contest in which there are games remaining in the schedule after it's already been determined which teams will be in the playoff. The objection is not to democracy, but to whether it's worthwhile to play those games when they can have no effect except, potentially, to damage the winner.

As a former resident of a small state, I can see the appeal of having them continue, but I'm not sure that's a justification.

All this from the party of "every vote must count". This has to be one of the biggest cases of voter disenfranchisement in history and dems are doing it to themselves.

306 Midnightrain  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:04:21pm

BHO is the Derek Redmond of politics. He looked beautiful heading into turn 3.

Forget recreating '68. This is starting to look like the 1992 Olympics. And Olbermann is playing the role of Derek Redmond's Dad.

307 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:04:39pm
308 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:05:20pm

re: #279 JustMyView

No one is afraid of democracy. What's apparent is that, under the rules established by the DNC, she has lost in democratic primary elections and caucuses. The remaining contests can be held, but they cannot change the result.

The current situation is akin to a sports contest in which there are games remaining in the schedule after it's already been determined which teams will be in the playoff. The objection is not to democracy, but to whether it's worthwhile to play those games when they can have no effect except, potentially, to damage the winner.

As a former resident of a small state, I can see the appeal of having them continue, but I'm not sure that's a justification.

Dude your party has freakin' superdelegates to make sure that the poor dumb slobs in flyover land don't hit you with another McGovern. That tells you all you really need to know.

309 NGrove  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:05:27pm

re: #307 buzzsawmonkey

Don't forget... vote early, vote often.

310 Desert Dog  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:05:49pm

re: #306 Midnightrain

BHO is the Derek Redmond of politics. He looked beautiful heading into turn 3.

Forget recreating '68. This is starting to look like the 1992 Olympics. And Olbermann is playing the role of Derek Redmond's Dad.

Funny, I would see Olbermann more as the jackass braying off nonsense back in the stables, amongst the other piles of horse crap...

311 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:05:57pm

re: #289 Biff

How many Saudi and Emirites dollars have been funnelled into the Obama campaign? Investigative journalism my A*s.

I'm not an expert in this area, but, as I understand it, all campaign contributions over $200 must be reported, so you could investigate that issue.

312 The Other Les  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:05:58pm

re: #299 Bob in Breckenridge

Seriously, you cannot be that stupid. Until she is ELIMINATED she has every right to stay in it.

The only way Hillary is going to be eliminated is with a stake through the heart.

(And nuke the site from orbit just to be sure.)

/sarcasm

313 hermeneutics  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:06:12pm

re: #298 OldLineTexan

Yes, he got an "A" for the assignment and the course. Thanks for asking.

We're up in Flagstaff now getting our bodies used to high altitude -- about 11k feet. Most of his races will be a bit lower than that.

Its so cold, OLT! Yesterday, about eight inches fell on top of my pop-up.

314 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:06:47pm
315 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:06:53pm

re: #296 jainphx

To me the fact that McCain lost to Huckabee is more interesting.

4% of Bonkeys voted for Edwards.

/protest vote, don't mean nothing

316 jetprop  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:06:55pm

re: #307 buzzsawmonkey

The real Democratic slogan is, "each vote must count--as many times as necessary."

^ LOL..or "vote twice just to be sure"

317 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:07:19pm

Good night, dear Lizards.

318 Sharmuta  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:07:26pm

People calling for hillary to drop out are sexist!

/Isn't identity politics fun?

319 jainphx  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:07:35pm

re: #308 brainwizard73

Actually the supers were invented to keep Teddy Kennedy from winning nomination. At least that 's what I remember.

320 hermeneutics  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:07:38pm

re: #317 goddessoftheclassroom

Good night, dearest, most admirable Goddess.

321 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:08:31pm

I didn't notice it before, but there must be dozens of Secret Service agents in WV tonight on Hillary's detail.

And to think that John McCain didn't even request that protection until some idiot publicized that he did not have any.

322 wee fury  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:08:45pm

re: #316 jetprop

^ LOL..or "vote twice just to be sure"

And, the 'dead' have their voting rights too! (per the DNC)

323 x-ray  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:09:18pm

What is all this talk of who wins the Dem primaries. The Republicans only put up McCain as the nominee as proof of the power of Deibold.

BWAHAHAHHAHHAH

/sarc

324 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:09:31pm

re: #312 The Other Les

The only way Hillary is going to be eliminated is with a stake through the heart.

(And nuke the site from orbit just to be sure.)

/sarcasm

Nah, I mean when the Obamessiah has the 2025 delegates needed to clinch the nomination, then Hillary should get out. But if he cannot get to that number, she should keep fighting.

/I can't believe I'm-
A. Defending Hillary
and
B. Giving her advice.

325 Desert Dog  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:09:45pm

Let's be fair and let the "people" decide....''

You know, the smart and wise people we pick, not the common slob on the street...we cannot possibly trust our nomination to the great unwashed masses....

326 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:10:10pm
327 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:10:15pm

re: #314 buzzsawmonkey

Of course, when the superdelegates drink the McGovern Kool-Aid, as seems to be happening now, all bets are off.

Well...obviously.

Funny thing is that they don't see it that way. These geniuses think that Obama is going to appeal to independants. Who? On what basis?

This is like Bill Clinton versus Pat Buchanan or something. One guy is going to have his side all sown up and grab most everyone in the middle and the other guy is going to grab his own nut-base and not much else.

328 jainphx  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:10:48pm

re: #315 Killian Bundy

Your probably right, but it's gratifying to me to see McShamnesty get a warning.

329 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:11:16pm

re: #319 jainphx

Actually the supers were invented to keep Teddy Kennedy from winning nomination. At least that 's what I remember.

I thought it was before that...then again, I was born during the Ford Administration...

330 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:11:20pm
331 Desert Dog  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:11:38pm

re: #321 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I didn't notice it before, but there must be dozens of Secret Service agents in WV tonight on Hillary's detail.

And to think that John McCain didn't even request that protection until some idiot publicized that he did not have any.

Yes, but Hillary can shoot laser beams out of her eyes....she does not need as much protection....

332 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:12:20pm

re: #294 buzzsawmonkey


I applaud Hillary for making the late primaries count--and frankly wish that some of the Republican candidates had had the buckram to stick it through the primaries instead of dropping out early.

I'm sure that if they'd gained enough support in the early primaries, they'd have stuck around. Mitt Romney spent, I believe, upwards of $20M of his own money trying to gain the nomination. It's not as if no one tried. This year, under the existing rules, the Republican candidate was chosen early. In 2004, the same was true for Dems (i.e., Kerry was chosen early), and I believe the rules were the same as they are now. What's happened this year is that the Dems have had two very evenly matched candidates.

333 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:12:58pm

re: #330 buzzsawmonkey

Let's leave the picture of Obama not saluting the flag out of this.

You are mistaken, I distinctly saw a one finger salute.

Of course that could have been Michelle.

334 The Other Les  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:13:17pm

re: #324 Bob in Breckenridge

Nah, I mean when the Obamessiah has the 2025 delegates needed to clinch the nomination, then Hillary should get out. But if he cannot get to that number, she should keep fighting.

/I can't believe I'm-
A. Defending Hillary
and
B. Giving her advice.

That's okay. I said something in defense of B.O. in the last 24 hours.

I'm certain that Hillary will continue to run for this office until she wins or she dies.

(Cue the Harold Stassen joke.)

335 Shug  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:13:19pm

re: #322 wee fury

And, the 'dead' have their voting rights too! (per the DNC)

I can just see the bumper sticker on the coffin

I'm dead and I vote

336 wolfie  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:13:29pm

I was up in WVA yesterday and this morning. Driving the back roads I saw hundreds of little campaign signs.... for local candidates. I saw exactly 2 Hillary ones and 1 Obama one, but I was looking for them very carefully. A casual observer could never have guessed there was a presidential primary going on.

337 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:13:49pm

re: #313 hermeneutics

Yes, he got an "A" for the assignment and the course. Thanks for asking.

We're up in Flagstaff now getting our bodies used to high altitude -- about 11k feet. Most of his races will be a bit lower than that.

Its so cold, OLT! Yesterday, about eight inches fell on top of my pop-up.

Gore, you magnificent bastard! I read your book!

/

Stay healthy! I used to love backpacking and camping (esp. the Gila), but never in snow. I am not from snow country.

338 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:13:53pm

re: #328 jainphx

Your probably right, but it's gratifying to me to see McShamnesty get a warning.

/this is going to be hard enough, but if he picks Huckabee as VP, it's going to get a whole lot harder

339 Filala  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:14:17pm

re: #72 Reluctant Democrat


Expect to see it in the morning paper.

340 jainphx  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:14:24pm

re: #332 JustMyView

Yeah evenly nuts.

341 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:14:31pm
342 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:14:44pm

re: #299 Bob in Breckenridge

Seriously, you cannot be that stupid. Until she is ELIMINATED she has every right to stay in it.

Newsflash, JMV- Obama has NOT clinched it, to use your sports analogy. Get a clue.

I didn't say she doesn't have a right to stay in. She absolutely does. In fact, Joe Biden has a right to compete next week in Kentucky too. The question is not whether she has a right to stay in, but whether staying in is a good idea. I don't think we know the answer to that question, but it's clear there are disadvantages.

343 Racer X  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:15:11pm

re: #335 Shug

I'm dead and I vote


I love it!

344 gop_patriot  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:15:18pm

re: #275 Sarge1984

Well, it just made my night, that guy was laughing til he could hardly read the story. =)

345 hermeneutics  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:15:23pm

re: #319 jainphx

I just finished reading, "Change and Continuity in the 1980 Election," which gives some detail -- not much -- as to the changes in the D party in the early 1970s. Interestingly, Carter was on the committee that determined the changes. His, then, was inside knowledge.

Interesting about Kennedy, though. Most of the changes occurred in 1973 including the different delegate classes. The Ds decided to have a set percentage of minorities, women, etc. So typical! Anyway, the supers came in afterward, in the 1980 and 1984 elections. I suppose Kennedy may have precipitated it ... but doubt he was the real cause.

Just my $0.02

346 laZardo  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:15:30pm

re: #295 Steffan

Cool. I'll have some after lunch.

347 wee fury  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:15:35pm

re: #326 buzzsawmonkey

That's identity politics for you. The respiration-challenged community deserves representation too.

You are politically correct. I hang my head in shame for using the insensitive word 'dead'. I apologize to all those I have offended.

348 Biff  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:15:55pm

re: #311 JustMyView

There isn't even a sitting national election board to check into these things dude. Besides, have you seen the thousands of arabs on Obama's donor lists. All they have to say is, yeah that really was my money.

349 Sarge1984  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:16:05pm

re: #317 goddessoftheclassroom

Weet dreams!

350 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:17:02pm

re: #334 The Other Les

That's okay. I said something in defense of B.O. in the last 24 hours.

I'm certain that Hillary will continue to run for this office until she wins or she dies.

(Cue the Harold Stassen joke.)

[Laugh track]

Another piece of advice...HRC should go to the Paul Wellstone playbook...what do I mean? Here you go:

Wellstone did a bit where he wanted his GOP (called IR in those days in Minnesota) to debate him, but the GOPer wouldn't (he was the front runner). Wellstone did a commercial that was ball bouncingly funny where he went to incumbant GOPer's office, his campaign office, and several other places "Looking for Rudy".

If HRC did the same thing, she would crush. Damn, it would be good politics!

351 hermeneutics  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:17:47pm

re: #337 OldLineTexan

I'm going to send you some pics ... just so beautiful. Look in your mail.

352 Racer X  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:18:20pm
353 jainphx  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:18:39pm

re: #345 hermeneutics

My memory has failed me before, so it could be again, but something tells me it was Kennedy, but I bow to your research.

354 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:19:07pm
355 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:19:34pm

re: #352 Racer X

Dude needs a clue

Obama voter?

Former Obama customer?

Ohhhhhhh, did you see what he wrote?

356 Sarge1984  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:20:38pm

re: #344 gop_patriot

It's very out of character for him. Rayford is the consummate professional, even if he is on John Boy and Billy, and a self-proclaimed curmudgeon.

357 hermeneutics  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:21:52pm

re: #353 jainphx

NEVER defer to anyone's research, particularly mine!

358 Last Mohican  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:22:42pm

re: #274 Charles

I'm beginning to think 'JustMyView' is getting tired of having an LGF account.

I dunno, it looks like to me like he/she registered way back in 2005, yet all of his/her comments that I've seen have been exclusively dedicated to campaigning for Obama.

I feel like maybe the account should be left to stand, in recognition of the Obama campaign's extraordinary ability to plan ahead.

359 sngnsgt  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:22:45pm

re: #352 Racer X

Dude needs a clue

DOH!

360 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:22:51pm

re: #351 hermeneutics

I'm going to send you some pics ... just so beautiful. Look in your mail.

I am looking forward to seeing them. Off to bed here.

361 gop_patriot  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:22:51pm

re: #356 Sarge1984

That's why it sounded so funny, it was like an old school, AM radio news guy reading the thing! ROFL!

362 Sharmuta  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:22:52pm

re: #342 JustMyView

The question is not whether she has a right to stay in, but whether staying in is a good idea. I don't think we know the answer to that question, but it's clear there are disadvantages.

There are only disadvantages to obama backers. What are you so afraid of?

363 NGrove  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:22:55pm

re: #334 The Other Les

That's okay. I said something in defense of B.O. in the last 24 hours.

I'm certain that Hillary will continue to run for this office until she wins or she dies.

(Cue the Harold Stassen joke.)

Or someone dies... Time to call it quits

364 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:23:04pm

re: #341 buzzsawmonkey

The point of a lengthy string of primaries seems to have escaped you. It is that one can, if one stays in, come from behind to win the nomination. A couple of caucus states and one or two small-state primaries, most of which permitted crossover voting (an utter idiocy) is not a bellwether of anything

It's a bellwether of something! It certainly cannot be said that McCain won because he had more money than the other candidates. And it was Florida that put him over the top---hardly a small state.

The problem with the "come from behind in a long season" theory is that candidates who aren't winning find it difficult to garner the resources to compete. The small-state primaries/caucuses that begin the season are, in fact, designed to allow candidates who are not already rich and well-known to compete.

I wouldn't defend the Dem system. I think some combination of the small-state beginning followed by rotating regional primaries would probably be best--with no superdelegates.

365 jainphx  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:24:13pm

re: #357 hermeneutics

Yeah I thought it was around the time of Joan Kapechny. Of coarse those days are a blur for me anyway, lived a hard life back then.

366 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:24:32pm

re: #342 JustMyView

Palestinians in Gaza Are Phonebanking for Barack Obama

Well looky here. Obama's right direction for America . . . and Israel?

/see you in November

367 Abu Maven  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:25:11pm

re: #72 Reluctant Democrat

NY Times is already on that:

By PATRICK HEALY
Published: May 14, 2008
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton won a lopsided victory on Tuesday over Senator Barack Obama in the West Virginia primary, where racial considerations emerged as an unusually salient factor.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

368 gop_patriot  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:25:28pm

re: #362 Sharmuta

There are only disadvantages to obama backers. What are you so afraid of?

Ha! Exactly, disadvantageous to whom? Certainly not to McCain, imho.

369 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:25:55pm

re: #348 Biff

There isn't even a sitting national election board to check into these things dude. Besides, have you seen the thousands of arabs on Obama's donor lists. All they have to say is, yeah that really was my money.

I'll leave it up to you to investigate this issue. It's not high on my list.

370 Racer X  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:27:03pm
Immigration raid in Iowa largest ever in US
Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials say 390 people have been arrested on immigration charges after Monday's raid at Agriprocessors Inc. in Postville. The facility is the world's largest kosher meatpacking plant.


Lets see, the fine to an employer is $10,000.00 per violation. More of this and we could put a dent in the budget deficit.

371 Last Mohican  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:27:45pm

re: #367 Abu Maven

Obviously. Everyone who disagrees with Obama is a racist. Therefore, if Obama loses a state, it's because most people in that state are racists! Ta-dah.

372 gop_patriot  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:28:31pm

re: #366 Killian Bundy

Palestinians in Gaza Are Phonebanking for Barack Obama

Well looky here. Obama's right direction for America . . . and Israel?

/see you in November

Oh you have got to be kidding me.

373 hermeneutics  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:29:01pm

I believe the Iowa caucuses became first in the United States in the 1972 election. Thus, there isn't much historical precendent to the NH and IO "firstness." Other small states could claim the same. Why isn't RI first, for instance?

I find it interesting that the R and D have different rules including winner-take-all v. proportional. Evenly matched candidates are quickly differentiated in the R system. The Obama/Hillary contention could only occur within the D system.

re: #364 JustMyView

374 solomonpanting  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:29:35pm

re: #366 Killian Bundy

After studying Obama's electoral campaign communist manifesto, I thought, 'this is a man that is capable of change inside America.'
375 Racer X  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:29:46pm
Vatican: It's OK to believe in aliens
VATICAN CITY (AP) - The Vatican's chief astronomer says that believing in aliens does not contradict faith in God.
The Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, the Jesuit director of the Vatican Observatory, says that the vastness of the universe means it is possible there could be other forms of life outside Earth, even intelligent ones.

No anal probes though, OK?

376 pat  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:30:24pm

re: #369 JustMyView

re: #348 Biff

There isn't even a sitting national election board to check into these things dude. Besides, have you seen the thousands of arabs on Obama's donor lists. All they have to say is, yeah that really was my money.

I'll leave it up to you to investigate this issue. It's not high on my list.

And yet it is true. With a million dollars coming in from 'Americans" living in Yemen. All 5. Not saying that Obama is a Meccanian Candidate, am saying that Muslims think so.

377 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:30:28pm

Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia. Do these States ring a bell?

/not an Obama primary win in the bunch, oops

378 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:30:41pm

re: #362 Sharmuta

There are only disadvantages to obama backers. What are you so afraid of?

As I said, having been a small-state resident for much of my life, I see the appeal of continuing. That's from the perspective of the voters.

From the perspective of the candidate, there are real disadvantages: exhaustion, cost, additional scars from blows from an opponent who cannot win, inability to focus on the general election opponent.

it's not a matter of fear; it's a practical concern.

379 Sarge1984  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:30:54pm

re: #375 Racer X

Armageddon!

380 sonoffar  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:31:38pm

If Obama is a friend to Israel, is that sort of like,"This is for your own good", or, "This is going to hurt me more than it's going to hurt you"?
If Hillary can hang in there long enough, perhaps a bit more light will be directed at Obamas relationships with Edward Said, Rashid Khalidi, and of course the good Rev. Jeremiah Wright. My Pop always said, "Follow the money trail", and these guys seem to have access to plenty of it.
I would like to see all those proverbial chickens come home to roost before we find ourselves cringing at the sight of President Obama, .


[Link: tinyurl.com...]
[Link: tinyurl.com...]

381 Biff  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:31:38pm

re: #369 JustMyView

I'll leave it up to you to investigate this issue. It's not high on my list.

What a suprise.

382 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:33:31pm

re: #376 pat

And yet it is true. With a million dollars coming in from 'Americans" living in Yemen. All 5. Not saying that Obama is a Meccanian Candidate, am saying that Muslims think so.

You have a link for that?

383 Racer X  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:34:08pm

OK might as well stir the pot some more:

Belief in God 'childish,' Jews not chosen people: Einstein letter

Albert Einstein described belief in God as "childish superstition" and said Jews were not the chosen people, in a letter to be sold in London this week, an auctioneer said Tuesday.
The father of relativity, whose previously known views on religion have been more ambivalent and fuelled much discussion, made the comments in response to a philosopher in 1954.

384 Racer X  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:34:22pm

re: #379 Sarge1984

Armageddon!

LOL!

385 NGrove  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:34:53pm

re: #379 Sarge1984

Armageddon!

And on that note... Armageddon outa here. Take care of yourselves in whatever manner you see fit. Hoorah Vacation!

386 realwest  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:35:58pm

re: #175 Killian Bundy
Hey Killian - Obama has a shot at winning in North Carolina, if for no other reason than we've got a Dem govenor and a larger % of voters here are Black Americans.

387 indythinker  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:36:14pm

Who knew that West Virginia was that bitter? re: #214 USBeast

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388 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:37:19pm

Listening to Gould play Beethoven while reading comments makes everything so much more dramatic.

389 Susanl  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:37:20pm

All I can say is Hilary scares me less than Obama. At least with Hilary, we know what wer are getting. With Obama, who knows? Is he a communist, a black separatist, a revolutionary, a maoist, what?

Notice, no where did I say regular American. At least Hilary, elite dem that she is, has at least some idea how regular people live. Obama has NEVER lived like a regular joe, and never will.

The thing that bugs me the most about him? The way he stands when the National Anthem is being played.

390 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:37:25pm

re: #382 JustMyView

You have a link for that?

Maybe readings not your strong suit.

/watch this, wonder who paid for all the equipment, hmm?

391 neocon hippie  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:37:37pm

If the shoe were on the other foot, i.e., it was Obama behind by 150 delegates, there would be no demand for him to drop out. The liberal establishment is pushing for Obama because of the disastrous effect that alienating African-Americans from the Dems would have. Even if it means Obama getting trounced on 11/4, it would be worth it to ensure A-A loyalty continues.

There's no compelling reason for Hillary to quit until/unless Obama gets the 2025 delegates (or whatever the total would be in MI and FL are counted).

392 BlueCanuck  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:38:03pm

Good morning all, night shift checking in. I see that the campaign of hope and change *drink* just hit a speed bump on the way to Denver Colorado.

/popcorn any one?

393 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:40:04pm
394 pat  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:40:34pm

re: #382 JustMyView

You have a link for that?

No. You can research it yourself. LOL. (i had to say that, lol) But it is true. Check it out. Feds keep that stats on records. But not the donors because it is well below the threshold. It has actually been reported fairly extensively.

395 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:40:35pm

re: #390 Killian Bundy

Maybe readings not your strong suit.

/watch this, wonder who paid for all the equipment, hmm?

A few computers and some phones is quite different from the million dollars in Yemeni contributions that pat alleged. I don't think they have much to do w/ each other.

396 Racer X  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:40:48pm

Paul McCartney 'horrified' as his eco car is flown 7,000 miles from Japan

The Lexus LS600H, which costs £84,000, was a gift from Lexus to the 65-year-old former Beatle, who helped promote the hybrid vehicle.

But instead of arriving by boat as expected, the car was flown to Britain on a Korean Air flight, creating a carbon footprint almost 100 times bigger than if it had come by sea.

Carbon offsetting firm CO2balance.com said the plane journey would have caused a carbon footprint of 38,050kg, compared to 397kg for a three-week boat journey.

I'll have a Prius with a turbocharger on it please.

397 Charles  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:41:02pm

re: #366 Killian Bundy

Palestinians in Gaza Are Phonebanking for Barack Obama

Well looky here. Obama's right direction for America . . . and Israel?

/see you in November

I had this video clip at LGF on April 1:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

398 nightwatch  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:41:07pm

To all you "O" fans or should I say cultist's, (and by O I don't mean that female TV self appointed whatever)
Go ahead make him CIC (as if). Put his flame throwing spouse in the role of 1st flame throwing spouse, and Israel will Nuke Iran the day before his swearing in. The pool squares are all marked and set to play, any of you trolls got the sand to put money down on the out-come? But hey, HAmutts dig him, right? OH! lets see, France went to the right, England went to the right, because........THEY GET IT!
Stay tuned, will it be a Barrack day in America? Only Denver will tell.

399 gop_patriot  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:41:34pm

re: #388 bosforus

LOL

400 Racer X  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:41:50pm

re: #388 bosforus

I am listening to The Lizard King

401 Sarge1984  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:42:15pm

re: #385 NGrove

Have a great time! Don't forget the sunscreen!

402 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:42:20pm

re: #397 Charles

I had this video clip at LGF on April 1:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

/I knew I saw it somewhere

403 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:42:59pm

re: #393 buzzsawmonkey

Sounds like you have some issues to take up w/ the RNC!

404 average_guy  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:43:00pm

re: #268 really grumpy big dog Johnson

re: #268 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I want to nominate JMV for Moby Cum Laude.

Nomination seconded

405 BlueCanuck  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:43:31pm

re: #398 nightwatch

Hey I am an "O" fan. :)

/wait you meant. . . . ..

406 RedWhiteAndJew  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:44:03pm
If Obama is a friend to Israel, is that sort of like,"This is for your own good", or, "This is going to hurt me more than it's going to hurt you"?

With friends like these, who needs katsovim.

407 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:44:07pm

re: #391 neocon hippie

If the shoe were on the other foot, i.e., it was Obama behind by 150 delegates, there would be no demand for him to drop out. The liberal establishment is pushing for Obama because of the disastrous effect that alienating African-Americans from the Dems would have. Even if it means Obama getting trounced on 11/4, it would be worth it to ensure A-A loyalty continues.

There's no compelling reason for Hillary to quit until/unless Obama gets the 2025 delegates (or whatever the total would be in MI and FL are counted).

If Obama were behind by 150 delegates, his bobos would try to get extra delegates seated as a racial preference. You know, affirmative action at its best. Thank you U of Michigan!

408 realwest  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:44:25pm

re: #377 Killian Bundy
And you can add New York, New Jersey, and California as well (although how the hell Hillary won the popular vote by a decent margin in Texas and didn't get the majority of delegates remains a mystery to me!).

409 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:44:40pm

re: #395 JustMyView

A few computers and some phones is quite different from the million dollars in Yemeni contributions that pat alleged. I don't think they have much to do w/ each other.

You are a frog in a saucepan with one inch of water.

/you feel nothing

410 brainwizard73  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:45:27pm

re: #404 average_guy

re: #268 really grumpy big dog Johnson


Nomination seconded

All in Favor?

AYE!

Damn it, Kucinich called for a roll call...

411 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:45:38pm
412 pat  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:46:07pm

You know, I am really not in favor of the attack dog method of dealing with skeptics. When I am corrected here, because of faulty memory, a bad education, or misunderstanding, I let it go. I do not need the Reaganite et al. BS.

413 Abu Maven  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:47:28pm

Clinton is ahead of Obama in the popular vote if FL and MI are counted:
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

Not sure how much WV was factored in, but I imagine her lead will expand once those results are fully accounted for.

414 average_guy  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:47:39pm

re: #365 jainphx

Yeah I thought it was around the time of Joan Kapechny. Of coarse those days are a blur for me anyway, lived a hard life back then.

Mary Jo Kopeckne

415 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:47:45pm

re: #408 realwest

And you can add New York, New Jersey, and California as well (although how the hell Hillary won the popular vote by a decent margin in Texas and didn't get the majority of delegates remains a mystery to me!).

But hey, Obama won Texas, that's a [expletive deleted]load of electoral votes!

/*snicker*

416 pat  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:47:45pm

re: #408 realwest

Carl Rove did an analysis tonite. If not for the caucus States, Hillary might be up by 40. But then it got complicated.

417 Racer X  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:48:06pm

Ahmadinejad: Israel to be 'swept away soon'

Tehran - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday that Israel would "be soon swept away" from the Palestinian Territories by the Palestinians. It is the second time within less than three years that the Iranian president predicted the eradication of the Jewish state.

The first time was in 2005 when Ahmadinejad hoped that Israel would be eradicated from the Middle East map.
"This terrorist and criminal state is backed by foreign powers, but this regime would soon be swept away by the Palestinians," Ahmadinejad said in a press conference in Tehran.

Referring to worldwide celebrations for the 60th anniversary of Israel's foundation, he said that "it would be futile to hold a birthday ceremony for something which is already dead."
"As far as the regional countries are concerned, this regime does not exist," Ahmadinejad added.


This guy sounds more and more like the Iraqi spokesman at the start of the war - "there are no Americans in Baghdad" - as bombs go off right behind him.

418 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:48:20pm

re: #400 Racer X

Not could make me a little more pessimistic than I care to be during an Obama thread. Perhaps an ID/evolution thread where I feel less impending doom from the subject of the conversation.

419 jaunte  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:50:17pm
Secret Money Floods Campaigns
Big Count of Small Gifts Is Opaque to the Public

...According to an analysis being released today by a Washington think tank, the Campaign Finance Institute, Senator Obama of Illinois led the pack with such small and secret donations, pulling in about $31 million during 2007.
...
...one area of concern with the flood of donations, particularly those made online, is that foreigners could be weighing in illegally in an American election. Mr. Obama's Web site allows donors to choose an address in one of 227 possible countries or territories, including Iran, Iraq, Zimbabwe, and Yemen.
[Link: www2.nysun.com...]

420 pat  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:50:28pm

re: #417 Racer X

I saw that and read it EXACTLY the same way. He is scared. And nownit is not him, but the Palestinians who shall do it. Not Hezbollah, not Iran, not the Mullah Bomb, but the Sunni dogs that are next door. Is that curious or what?

421 Macker  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:52:30pm

re: #92 Idle Drifter

Hey I'm from West Michigan! What part?

422 realwest  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:52:35pm

re: #398 nightwatchHmm, actually, I was thinking Bush would do Iran the day after the general election was over if McCain didn't win. Or maybe even if McCain did win.

423 bosforus  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:52:38pm

re: #418 bosforus

Not That could make me a little more pessimistic...

Note to self: typing while talking on the phone is difficult. Do not attempt.

424 Natasha  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:52:46pm

Hillary is cackling...

As used as I am to the sounds, it still scares me. She could be my Commander In Chief.... Yikes!

425 wolfie  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:54:09pm

re: #419 jaunte

Iran? What? IRAN ?

426 Karridine  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:55:36pm

re: #424 Natasha

Hillary is cackling...

As used as I am to the sounds, it still scares me. She could be my Commander In Chief.... Yikes!

Hillary would be "Commandress in Chief", wearing black stockings, handkerCHIEFs, in stilletto black heels and wielding a bullwhip...

"I want this cabinet meeting to begin-

*whipCRACK!*
-NOW!

Okay, about the few survivors in Israel..."

427 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:55:37pm

re: #416 pat

Carl Rove did an analysis tonite. If not for the caucus States, Hillary might be up by 40. But then it got complicated.

Right. Several commentators have noted that Clinton's major failing (or, at least, one of the most important ones) in this campaign was not planning to compete seriously in the caucus states. Apparently, she saw herself, as did many in the press and the party, as inevitable and planned to triumph in the big states.

But Obama et al. outplanned her through strong grassroots organizing in caucus states. A day or two ago, I read that the NH primary, with all the money spent there, yielded 22 delegates (or something close to that) for Clinton, whereas the Idaho caucus yielded 18 for Obama at a much lower cost.

But Obama has won some big-state primaries too--Illinois, Wisconsin, and Virginia, for instance, as well as others.

428 DesertSage  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:56:17pm

So....I'm confused.
The Democrat Party only recognizes 48 states, but their nominee says that there are 57.

429 BlueCanuck  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:57:32pm

re: #426 Karridine

Hillary would be "Commandress in Chief", wearing black stockings, handkerCHIEFs, in stilletto black heels and wielding a bullwhip...

"I want this cabinet meeting to begin-

*whipCRACK!*
-NOW!

Okay, about the few survivors in Israel..."

I'm scared sarge

/we're all scared son

430 Racer X  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:57:51pm

Help Wanted
Colorado University seeks Right-Wing professor.

BOULDER — How liberal is the University of Colorado at Boulder?

The campus hot-dog stand sells tofu wieners. A recent pro-marijuana rally drew a crowd of 10,000, roughly a third the size of the student body. And according to one professor’s analysis of voter registration, the 800-strong faculty includes just 32 Republicans.

Chancellor G.P. “Bud” Peterson surveys this landscape with unease. A college that champions diversity, he believes, must think beyond courses in gay literature, Chicano studies and feminist theory. “We should also talk about intellectual diversity,” he says. So over the next year, Mr. Peterson plans to raise $9 million to create an endowed chair for what is thought to be the nation’s first Professor of Conservative Thought and Policy.


Any Lizards looking for a job?

431 jaunte  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:58:19pm

re: #425 wolfie

Here's the link; yur choice of country from a pul-down menu:
[Link: donate.barackobama.com...]
Of course you have to check a box saying that you're a US citizen, and it's all on the up and up.

432 Buster Bunny  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:58:38pm

re: #167 Charles

The days when a high traffic link would cause our hamsters to go into hypoglycemic shock are over.

Ha I knew it .. got you now !

Diabetic Hamster Torturer Charles Johnson - who recently upgraded to the latest version of genetically modified Pink Hamsters.

The Schwartzenegger Hamster

ooh .. this will bring out the outrage of the animal liberationists, muslims who cant type or spell, Koslings, Democrats .. creationists (that hamster should have upgraded naturally) and ...

... another day at the blog .. eh?

433 jaunte  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:58:44pm

your choice; pull-down, pimf

434 Nightwatch  Tue, May 13, 2008 9:59:20pm

re: #405 Blue Cannuck,

She is, as of late creeping me out. Did not see her at the last other "O" event. A new trend perhaps? Maybe a last minute throwing of a summer bonnet into the ring (pant-pant-pant?) joking, gag and on to more serious matters...

435 Racer X  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:00:29pm

re: #431 jaunte

Here's the link; yur choice of country from a pul-down menu:
[Link: donate.barackobama.com...]
Of course you have to check a box saying that you're a US citizen, and it's all on the up and up.

"Gee K, he looked alright to me".

436 slokat  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:02:16pm

pondering remarks from up the thread...

I keep thinking that BHO purposefully plays up similarities in speech patterns / mannerisms to Lincoln, JFK & MLK.

Messiah images...

437 realwest  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:02:56pm

re: #419 jaunte Hello my friend! "Mr. Obama's Web site allows donors to choose an address in one of 227 possible countries or territories, including Iran, Iraq, Zimbabwe, and..." Huh? I mean how many Americans are there in Iran (at least officially)? Answer would have to be NONE, now that the hostages were released and we have no diplomatic relations with Iran - what, are they counting tourist American's donating from Iran?
And Iran's just the tip of the iceberg here.
There would appear to be a HELLUVA LOT OF MONEY coming into the American Election from Non-Americans, woudn't there?

438 wolfie  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:03:22pm

re: #431 jaunte

Here's the link; yur choice of country from a pul-down menu:
[Link: donate.barackobama.com...]
Of course you have to check a box saying that you're a US citizen, and it's all on the up and up.

Thanks, jaunte! Wow! That is amazing to me. Iran. We don't even have diplomatic relations with Iran. You can't even pretend that there are enough Americans there to warrant that choice.
Oh wait. Yes you can!
Too bad no one will ask Obama about that in a debate.

439 LeePro  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:03:26pm

re: #419 jaunte

The worst part of this story is the DATELINE!

February 12, 2008

And — surprise, surprise! — not one mainstream media outlet picked it up? ? ?

440 pat  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:03:56pm

re: #427 JustMyView

Yeah, I think Illinois was a legit win. Virginia I do not know much about. It will not go to him in general. Wisconsin is a special case. It is the center of vote fraud in America. Between multi-registered college kids, illegal voters, corrupt black politicians, corrupt white leftists, it is a State that has been taken over. Do you know that in the last election it had 10,000 more Democratic voters than were registered to vote? 5 people were convicted of slicing tires. No one will hire Gonsalves as an attorney because he is a gutless fool.

441 jaunte  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:04:19pm

re: #437 realwest

Seeing that "internet cafe" at work in Gaza made me wonder how many rooms like that are set up overseas and sending away, $200 at a time.

442 realwest  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:05:08pm

re: #416 pat LOL! You did better than did I - I don't understand the caucus thing, AT ALL - especially where Hillary wins Texas by about 4% of the popular vote and loses in total delegates pledge! I will never understand that.

443 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:05:59pm

re: #427 JustMyView

But Obama has won some big-state primaries too--Illinois, Wisconsin, and Virginia, for instance, as well as others.

Well, spot him his home state.

/for the most part, Obama's red State primary wins have been in States he has no chance of winning in November, Clinton's been winning the key battlegrounds, but hey, it's your nominee

444 pat  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:06:01pm

re: #438 wolfie

Interesting huh? And a $1,000,000 bucks from the Americans living in Yemen. All below $1,000.

445 wolfie  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:07:16pm

re: #444 pat

Interesting huh? And a $1,000,000 bucks from the Americans living in Yemen. All below $1,000.

Amazing. And just as LeePro said, no one in the MSM has even noticed this.

446 pat  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:07:50pm

re: #442 realwest

Caucus is vote by bullying. Absolutely bizarre. And people who have done it says it is almost scary.

447 LeePro  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:08:06pm

re: #428 DesertSage

So....I'm confused.
The Democrat Party only recognizes 48 states, but their nominee says that there are 57.

58 — contiguous. He said he still had one to go, and that his team had declared Alaska and Hawaii "not financially feasible."

448 pat  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:10:24pm

re: #445 wolfie

Yeah, Yemen is the heart of ex-pat Americans.

449 realwest  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:12:34pm

re: #441 jaunte Yep, me too - although the "pull down menu" where all you have to do is check that you are an American is extremely meaningful.
Our election process -DEM AND REPUB is SO effin' screwed up, that the possibility exists that another nation could make the determining factor in who is elected POTUS and the Leader of the Fee World!
I would have to think that it would be legitimate to not allow donations from anyone overseas - even genuine American voters.

450 Opilio  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:14:05pm

Spent part of the evening updating my Indiana-Ohio-Pennsylvania margin of victory county map to add West Virginia. Had a problem with the scale though -- it only went up to 30%. Clinton won Mingo county by margin of 80%. I had to add extend the color range a bit.

Anyway, if a picture's worth a thousand words, then a map's got to worth a few hundred:

Dem Primary Results Map

451 realwest  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:18:44pm

re: #450 Opilio What?! Cleveland came in EVEN between the two of them?

452 neocon hippie  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:23:56pm

98% of the vote in and Hillary is leading by 41%!

453 Psaturn  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:25:05pm

I am thinking maybe the West Virginians have more common sense than the rest of the states?

454 Opilio  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:28:05pm

re: #451 realwest

What?! Cleveland came in EVEN between the two of them?

Actually RW, that is a pale green, the color just to the right of even. I know it's hard to discern some of the shades. Obama took Cuyahoga county by a margin 7% (53-46). Not too strong, considering...

455 rabidfox  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:28:59pm

I'd love to see all the primaries on one day. I think it's ridiculous that the nominations are generally tied up after three or four primaries.

456 Maximu§  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:32:20pm

Barack Obama lost in every single category in West Virginia

God Bless those gun hugg'n, Bible read'n rednecks in W. Virginia.....I may just retire there.

457 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:34:32pm

re: #436 slokat

pondering remarks from up the thread...

I keep thinking that BHO purposefully plays up similarities in speech patterns / mannerisms to Lincoln, JFK & MLK.

That would be a pretty odd set of speech patterns to put together: a nineteenth century Midwesterner, a Bostonian, and a Southern black preacher?!? Let me know when you figure out the connections to these influences and Obama's speaking style.

458 pat  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:37:55pm

re: #449 realwest

Exactamundo. (using the latinate definition of mundo, corrupted,, i.e. world. no one ever gets my humor.)

459 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:38:59pm

re: #443 Killian Bundy

Well, spot him his home state.

/for the most part, Obama's red State primary wins have been in States he has no chance of winning in November, Clinton's been winning the key battlegrounds, but hey, it's your nominee

It's true that he probably won't win some of those red states, but it's likely he will win most of the blue states that Hillary won. NY and CA will remain blue; they questions are the swing states: OH, PA, FL, MI. But the hope is that he will turn some purple states (VA, CO, IA) blue.

460 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 10:40:06pm

re: #444 pat

Interesting huh? And a $1,000,000 bucks from the Americans living in Yemen. All below $1,000.

Pat, do you know this? I'm genuinely curious. Also note that contributions of $200 or more have to be reported.

461 EE  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:09:35pm

OF COURSE the Obamites want Hillary to drop out before Obama has the required number of votes. Look at how he first got into politics -- sending his lawyers to study the nominating petitions of Alice Palmer and all the other candidates, to find "errors' that would disqualify every single one of Obama's rivals. (An error in one name on a page would invalidate the entire page. Find enough errors and the candidate is eliminated. That's how Obama got into office the first time: unopposed, by reason of knocking out every candidate off the ballot).

Look at what happened when Obama ran for the US Senate: miraculously sex scandals came to the public's attention concerning both his Dem and GOP rival so that their campaigns imploded. I don't know who brought these to the public's attention, but certainly the beneficiary was Obama.

Look at the efforts of the Obamites to disqualify John McCain by reason of McCain having been born in the Canal Zone (because his father was in the military service at the time of his birth). They are seeking to have Obama run on the Dem ticket without a Republican candidate opposing him.

So why should he not be seeking to eliminate his Dem rival in this race by trying to force her off the Convention ballot? It would be out of character if he did not seek to do this.

462 JustMyView  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:23:03pm

re: #461 EE

Look at the efforts of the Obamites to disqualify John McCain by reason of McCain having been born in the Canal Zone (because his father was in the military service at the time of his birth). They are seeking to have Obama run on the Dem ticket without a Republican candidate opposing him.

Actually, Obama's campaign is not pushing this issue.


At present, it appears Democrats have little interest in pursuing the matter.

Yesterday, Claire McCaskill, a senator from Missouri and a prominent backer of Democratic candidate Sen. Barack Obama, introduced legislation that would define a “natural-born citizen; as anyone born to any U.S. citizen while serving in the active or reserve components of the U.S. armed forces.

463 LEGION  Tue, May 13, 2008 11:46:15pm

They beat him so bad- they said "whoseyadaddy"!

464 Spar Kling  Wed, May 14, 2008 12:49:23am

None of the old media are saying that Obama is fading due to recent scandals and revelations, but rather how the vote is just "symbolic" in WV. What kind of voting rights do you have if your vote is just symbolic? But apparently this is not a problem from the all-too-flexible left.

Anyone care to start a rumor that Hillary is mad enough to accept the VP slot in the McCain ticket? Now THAT would be interesting!

465 ackomanyuki  Wed, May 14, 2008 3:41:33am

re: #208 Killian Bundy

Why not? Hillary just drove home the obvious tonight. Racism works both ways, actually, in all directions.

/like it or not, it's going to be an issue in the general election, if anything, the recent 90+% black solidarity for Obama should be more than a little bit disturbing to the racial get along gang

Yes indeed. As black Americans as victims cannot be racists, therefore; there must be another reason for them to vote so preponderantly for Obama. The only logical conclusion I can come to is, they all must be communists, because I know that they all have taken time to research his background and give due consideration to his positions. And that I find truly frightening.

//

466 DoubleU  Wed, May 14, 2008 4:45:23am

re: #274 Charles

I'm beginning to think 'JustMyView' is getting tired of having an LGF account.

Actually JustMyView sounds exactly like a Ron Paul supporter. All the Ron Paul supporters turned to Obama.

467 gatorbait  Wed, May 14, 2008 6:14:45am

Portent of things to come, in November.

Chickens coming home to roost.

This false messiah ain't arisin' from the dead.

God Bless America, Land of the Free and Home of the Brave.

468 Ward Cleaver  Wed, May 14, 2008 7:21:35am

re: #1 jcm

Hey B. Hussein, how's it feel under the bus?

"Hey, there's an oil leak under here!"

469 Tigger2005  Wed, May 14, 2008 7:49:03am

Go ahead and nominate this guy, Dems ... he's gonna lose. The year-long media whitewash has backfired. Hillary would have beaten McCain in workmanlike fashion, IMO, but Obama is going down.


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