How Badly Did Obama Lose W. Virginia?
Tue, May 13, 2008 at 7:50:37 pm PDT
Barack Obama lost in every single category in West Virginia: Election Center 2008: Primary Exit Polls - Elections & Politics news from CNN.com.
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Tue, May 13, 2008 at 7:50:37 pm PDT
Barack Obama lost in every single category in West Virginia: Election Center 2008: Primary Exit Polls - Elections & Politics news from CNN.com.
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infidelia Tue, May 13, 2008 7:52:47pm |
re: #2 laZardo
That's one bitter state.
Clinging to Hillary...
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Lizard by the Bay Tue, May 13, 2008 7:52:51pm |
Doesn't matter. In poker terms, Hillary is "drawing dead". This may improve her hand, but Obama already has the Full House.
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goddessoftheclassroom Tue, May 13, 2008 7:53:57pm |
It's interesting that, according to a recent poll. a majority of Democrats want Hillary to stay in the race.
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jamgarr Tue, May 13, 2008 7:53:59pm |
Another bolt of lightning in the perfect storm that is the Democrat primary.
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gibsonz Tue, May 13, 2008 7:54:11pm |
Hillary has already been knocked out, so she scores a meaningless tko on the ref when he`s not looking!
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Yankee Division Son Tue, May 13, 2008 7:54:28pm |
He lost again? Seems to be a trend.. let's hope it continues in the fall..
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infidelia Tue, May 13, 2008 7:54:32pm |
re: #6 Lizard by the Bay
Doesn't matter. In poker terms, Hillary is "drawing dead". This may improve her hand, but Obama already has the Full House.
Whatever. At this point I see Hillary in the role of woodpecker. Peck all those bugs loose.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 13, 2008 7:54:43pm |
re: #10 goddessoftheclassroom
Yeah, I heard that too. What is up with that?
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itellu3times Tue, May 13, 2008 7:54:50pm |
In the Obama administration, West Virginia will be ceded to the Palestinians.
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infidelia Tue, May 13, 2008 7:55:15pm |
re: #15 jcm
denver denver Denver DENVER DENVER
RE. CREATE. 68!
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Yankee Division Son Tue, May 13, 2008 7:55:41pm |
re: #10 goddessoftheclassroom
It's interesting that, according to a recent poll. a majority of Democrats want Hillary to stay in the race.
over 70% I read somewhere..
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 13, 2008 7:55:51pm |
No Bonkey has won the general election without winning West Virginia since 1916.
/Hillary clinging to her last true talking point
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HelloDare Tue, May 13, 2008 7:56:22pm |
Charles, I hate to disagree but Barack did win the Hamas vote.
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lawhawk Tue, May 13, 2008 7:56:28pm |
Watch for the media elites and Obamaniacs demanding she exit the race... how dare she stay in when WV shows Obama's failings to capture the hearts and minds of millions of Democrats.
They'll parrot the fact that Hillary captured like 90%+ of the white vote, all while ignoring that Obama runs those kinds of numbers up in the African American community without any similar charges of racist identity politics by those voters against Hillary.
Hillary has exposed Obama's problems - he can't even get a majority of votes in certain demographics that are key to winning any national election. That's why she's staying in (well, that and the ongoing Wright mess along with any other issues that might creep up pre-Denver).
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MandyManners Tue, May 13, 2008 7:56:38pm |
Maybe it's just me but, I find CNN's graphics to be very confusing.
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mitthrawnurdo Tue, May 13, 2008 7:57:07pm |
Obviously, it's due to the active racism of the West Virginians. How dare they not recognize Messiah when He graces our fine Presidential nomination process!
/please, do I need this disclaimer?
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infidelia Tue, May 13, 2008 7:57:07pm |
re: #14 infidelia
Whatever. At this point I see Hillary in the role of woodpecker. Peck all those bugs loose.
Speaking of little peckers, which one of them is Byrd backing?
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MijaCat Tue, May 13, 2008 7:57:20pm |
Heh.
Guess the Dems are having the same buyers' remorse the Repubs are.
Just, unlike Huck, some of them can stand the schmuck (erm, schmuckette?) who overstayed the race.
Go Hillary Go!
Mew
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laZardo Tue, May 13, 2008 7:57:21pm |
re: #18 infidelia
Quick historical refresher...what happened in '68 again?
/was born in '87...history book knowledge of that time consists of Vietnam War and Watergate...
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MandyManners Tue, May 13, 2008 7:58:22pm |
re: #7 JustMyView
How much does it matter? Not at all.
You'd be crowing differently if your man won.
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mitthrawnurdo Tue, May 13, 2008 7:58:31pm |
re: #22 lawhawk
Only whites can be racist, my friend. The blacks recognize Messiah, not the foolish white devils of WV and other racist states...at least, not yet.
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nyc redneck Tue, May 13, 2008 7:58:58pm |
i don't think she's even close to getting out.
thanks w. va.
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jcm Tue, May 13, 2008 7:58:59pm |
re: #29 laZardo
Quick historical refresher...what happened in '68 again?
/was born in '87...history book knowledge of that time consists of Vietnam War and Watergate...
Riots, unrest, chaos! 'cept Denver it will be in the convention.
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Mich-again Tue, May 13, 2008 7:59:03pm |
West Virginny. A bunch of crackers clinging to their guns and religion.
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itellu3times Tue, May 13, 2008 7:59:28pm |
re: #29 laZardo
Quick historical refresher...what happened in '68 again?
Chicago democratic convention, riots in the streets, riots on the convention floor, as Da System nominated Hubert Horatio Humphrey, by then a senile old party hack, to oppose Richard Nixon, at the height of the Vietnam war.
The operative term being "riot".
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Shug Tue, May 13, 2008 7:59:55pm |
As somebody brilliantly said earlier.
Hillary -- wins the popular vote
Obama-- gets the nomination based on delegates
Obama Selected not elected
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Lizard by the Bay Tue, May 13, 2008 8:00:03pm |
re: #29 laZardo
Quick historical refresher...what happened in '68 again?
The Dem Party melted down at convention as the commies took over the party from the blue-collar patriots.
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infidelia Tue, May 13, 2008 8:00:11pm |
re: #29 laZardo
Quick historical refresher...what happened in '68 again?
/was born in '87...history book knowledge of that time consists of Vietnam War and Watergate...
Calling on volunteers to fill in the details, but in a nutshell the Weatherman types made hash of the streets of Chicago (in more ways than one) and Mayor Daly's machine and the Chi police made hash of them.
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gop_patriot Tue, May 13, 2008 8:00:14pm |
Could someone explain the 6th question down, on the 3rd page? It's the "Vote for President in November"... who is answering what?
For some reason that one doesn't make much sense to me, but it could be this head cold that's stopping up my brain. lol
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Syrah Tue, May 13, 2008 8:00:40pm |
re: #29 laZardo
Quick historical refresher...what happened in '68 again?
/was born in '87...history book knowledge of that time consists of Vietnam War and Watergate...
There was this convention . . .
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bosforus Tue, May 13, 2008 8:00:41pm |
Kos moves on to more important subjects.
Results for the Mississippi First District special election...
How will it end? How WILL it end?
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Bob in Breckenridge Tue, May 13, 2008 8:01:11pm |
re: #10 goddessoftheclassroom
It's interesting that, according to a recent poll. a majority of Democrats want Hillary to stay in the race.
gotc- Yep, I found it amazing it was so high- It was like 64% want Hillary to stay vs. 34% wanting her to get out.
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EC Marm Tue, May 13, 2008 8:01:17pm |
re: #29 laZardo
Quick historical refresher...what happened in '68 again?
The anti-war side of the Dem party tried to make themselves appear larger that they really were. Street protests were met with much police resistance. A lotta tear gas and running away. In the end the establishment candidate won, but lost in November.
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J.S. Tue, May 13, 2008 8:01:20pm |
Yah ! Two-thirds, baby! Not a single county for Obama! Way to go, Hillary!
/pumping fist into air
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jaunte Tue, May 13, 2008 8:01:28pm |
Has everyone seen seekeroftruth's link (last thread) on the Gaza phonebank for Obama?
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Yankee Division Son Tue, May 13, 2008 8:01:33pm |
re: #21 HelloDare
Charles, I hate to disagree but Barack did win the Hamas vote.
58th state?
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mitthrawnurdo Tue, May 13, 2008 8:01:45pm |
re: #37 Shug
That retort sounds familiar...I wonder where I've heard that before?
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JustMyView Tue, May 13, 2008 8:02:14pm |
re: #31 MandyManners
You'd be crowing differently if your man won.
I think I know the difference between a meaningful result, such as the one that occurred in the Mississippi house race tonight, and a meaningless result, such as the one that occurred in West Virginia. There's some symbolic significance and information relevant to the general election, but not to choosing the Dem candidate. At least I don't think so. :-)
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lawhawk Tue, May 13, 2008 8:02:22pm |
re: #37 Shug
As somebody brilliantly said earlier.
Hillary -- wins the popular vote
Obama-- gets the nomination based on delegates
Obama Selected not elected
Heck, it could turn the other way, as Obama currently leads in popular vote, but Hillary gets the supers to go to her side based on the results in WV and the remaining states. Either way, you've got the party getting cleaved in two because they are seriously flawed candidates and the process by which the primaries operates created the conditions. Watch the DNC to "fix" the problem with adjustments to how they conduct primaries going forward.
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infidelia Tue, May 13, 2008 8:02:22pm |
re: #42 Syrah
There was this convention . . .
In other words, all the entertaining stuff we long to see again, this time in Denver.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 13, 2008 8:02:34pm |
This a real electoral map problem for Obama. Besides the West Virginia jinx, he can't historically or mathematically win the general election without winning at least one southern (aka Bible Belt) State. Ask Kerry about that.
/name the southern State Obama has a chance in hell of winning
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EE Tue, May 13, 2008 8:02:39pm |
Obama has sent big money to the superdelegates, almost $700,000 or more than 3.5 times what Hillary gave to the superdelegates. Also, Obama rakes in lots of money, and lots more where that came from, so the superdelegates know that if they support Obama, they stand to get a lot more money.
The difference in pledged delegates is only about 1/4 of the number of superdelegates, so the superdelegates have control of the nomination.
And the fix is in, so even though Hillary is likely to win the popular vote in the Dem contests overall, the superdelegates are going to go where the money is: Obama. The fix is in.
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Slumbering Behemoth Tue, May 13, 2008 8:03:08pm |
re: #29 laZardo
These fellers were invited to play for a riot.
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tommygum Tue, May 13, 2008 8:03:09pm |
re: #16 Fat Bastard VegetarianYeah, I heard that too. W
hat is up with that?
Buyer's remorse.
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mitthrawnurdo Tue, May 13, 2008 8:03:16pm |
re: #48 Yankee Division Son
As well as the FARC vote - if they are successful in overthrowing the Colombian gov't, that'll be the 59th state.
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JustMyView Tue, May 13, 2008 8:03:18pm |
re: #37 Shug
As somebody brilliantly said earlier.
Hillary -- wins the popular vote
Obama-- gets the nomination based on delegates
Obama Selected not elected
Um, the delegates are based on the results of elections, dude! Hillary is the one who has been trying to argue that something other than the results of the primaries and caucuses should be used to determine the nominee.
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DoubleU Tue, May 13, 2008 8:03:25pm |
No matter what, this story will still have an ugly ending.
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winston06 Tue, May 13, 2008 8:03:34pm |
Hussein Obama will be the nominee and he will be defeated by McCain in November
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goddessoftheclassroom Tue, May 13, 2008 8:03:52pm |
re: #53 Killian Bundy
This a real electoral map problem for Obama. Besides the West Virginia jinx, he can't historically or mathematically win the general election without winning at least one southern (aka Bible Belt) State. Ask Kerry about that.
/name the southern State Obama has a chance in hell of winning
North Carolina?
Not that I want him to win, you know.
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Bob in Breckenridge Tue, May 13, 2008 8:04:06pm |
re: #29 laZardo
Quick historical refresher...what happened in '68 again?
/was born in '87...history book knowledge of that time consists of Vietnam War and Watergate...
Geez, I have underwear older than you.
/Ok, not really, youngin'.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 13, 2008 8:04:15pm |
re: #46 J.S.
Yah ! Two-thirds, baby! Not a single county for Obama! Way to go, Hillary!
/pumping fist into air
Obama drew 4,000 people in Beckley WV not even three months ago. It was truly the biggest thing to happen in Beckley in years.
Today?...(crickets with restless leg syndrome).
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Idle Drifter Tue, May 13, 2008 8:04:28pm |
re: #15 jcm
denver denver Denver DENVER DENVER
God don't remind me, I just moved here. I better get ready for any possible Anarchist uprising. Governent peanut butter and crackers, bottled water, fire exstiguisher, 3000 rounds of pepper balls///////////
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laZardo Tue, May 13, 2008 8:04:29pm |
re: #53 Killian Bundy
/name the southern State Obama has a chance in hell of winning
I would have to say that he has a good chance in the South. They'll definitely turn out in droves like it's the Civil Rights March all over again just to vote for him...
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jetziger Tue, May 13, 2008 8:04:58pm |
Obama and Billary are singing from the same hymn sheet. Socialist scum!
VOTE REPUBLICAN.
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lawhawk Tue, May 13, 2008 8:05:20pm |
re: #59 JustMyView
Not true - Democrats have a two tier system in place since 1968 - to prevent a repeat of that disastrous convention.
You get pledged delegates - those chosen based on proportional results of the primaries, plus a number of superdelegates who are unpledged to any candidate, but can vote any way they see fit up to the time their votes are counted at the convention.
That's why you see Obama and Clinton jockeying for supers. They know that every vote can change hands between now and the convention - and it already has seen some swaps.
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Slumbering Behemoth Tue, May 13, 2008 8:05:46pm |
re: #56 Slumbering Behemoth
Holy crap, sorry Lizards. I didn't watch the whole clip before linking.
NSFW
NSFW
NSFW
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winston06 Tue, May 13, 2008 8:05:54pm |
re: #68 jetziger
Vote GOP if you care about the future of America....
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Reluctant Democrat Tue, May 13, 2008 8:06:08pm |
How long till the media calls W. Virginians racist?
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mitthrawnurdo Tue, May 13, 2008 8:06:15pm |
re: #61 winston06
Just wonderful..
/no difference between any of them on "global warming", sorry, "climate change".
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gop_patriot Tue, May 13, 2008 8:06:18pm |
re: #36 itellu3times
Chicago democratic convention, riots in the streets, riots on the convention floor, as Da System nominated Hubert Horatio Humphrey, by then a senile old party hack, to oppose Richard Nixon, at the height of the Vietnam war.
The operative term being "riot".
The theme song. LOL
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schultzw Tue, May 13, 2008 8:06:19pm |
re: #68 jetziger
Just as long as McCain doesn't keep talking about the climate change malarkey. I really like J-Mac, but can't stand his views on climate and the environment.
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MandyManners Tue, May 13, 2008 8:06:21pm |
re: #63 Charles
Instalanche incoming, to the Tim Townsend post...
Maybe a good time to open registration?
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really grumpy big dog Johnson Tue, May 13, 2008 8:06:45pm |
re: #6 Lizard by the Bay
Doesn't matter. In poker terms, Hillary is "drawing dead". This may improve her hand, but Obama already has the Full House.
Remember the famous Dewey headline? (Then again, maybe you don't.)
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HelloDare Tue, May 13, 2008 8:06:47pm |
re: #48 Yankee Division Son
58th state?
Didn't Obama say he had been to 57 states? He had one more to go and they wouldn't let him go to Alaska and Hawaii. That makes 60. He confused 50 with 60. Numeracy was never his strong point.
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schultzw Tue, May 13, 2008 8:07:20pm |
re: #36 itellu3times
what's more appropriate than for HHH to get a crappy stadium named after him?
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bosforus Tue, May 13, 2008 8:07:27pm |
re: #76 MandyManners
Maybe a good time to open registration?
My tummy's grumblin'
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gman Tue, May 13, 2008 8:07:28pm |
re: #50 JustMyView
I think I know the difference between a meaningful result, such as the one that occurred in the Mississippi house race tonight, and a meaningless result, such as the one that occurred in West Virginia. There's some symbolic significance and information relevant to the general election, but not to choosing the Dem candidate. At least I don't think so. :-)
Every day this race continues is meaningful because it speaks volumes about the current division among Democrats. No matter how you slice it and dice it, there are a lot of Democrats who do not want Obama for president.
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Syrah Tue, May 13, 2008 8:07:38pm |
re: #52 infidelia
In other words, all the entertaining stuff we long to see again, this time in Denver.
Yep.
I've got the popcorn and beer all ready for the occasion.
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salmon dave Tue, May 13, 2008 8:07:44pm |
re: #16 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Buyers' remorse may play a big part -- at least according to some of the comments on the thread I saw at Talk Left (admittedly a pro-Witch site).
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mitthrawnurdo Tue, May 13, 2008 8:07:48pm |
re: #75 schultzw
And I think that his carbon cap-and-trade proposal will more than offset any good that his economical proposals will do.
/*sigh*, how did it come to this?
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solomonpanting Tue, May 13, 2008 8:08:19pm |
re: #20 Killian Bundy
No Bonkey has won the general election without winning West Virginia since 1916.
/Hillary clinging to her last true talking point
She can show that if Florida's and Michigan's popular votes were in her column she'd have won that aspect, even though Obama would have the majority of delegates.
She can point out the Democrat's whining that Bush won the 2000 Election but lost the popular vote and how hypocritical it would now be to deny her the nomination on similar grounds.
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laZardo Tue, May 13, 2008 8:08:49pm |
*reading up on the DNC '68*
Whoa. Those weren't the best of times...
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Desert Dog Tue, May 13, 2008 8:09:16pm |
It does not matter how bad he loses now, it's a done deal. Just ask the NY Times, Ted Kennedy, Hamas, et al.....God himself could come down from heaven and vote for Hillary and it would not matter to the left: Barack Hussein Obama is their Man now.
The great not-so-White-but-not-really-Black Hope. He is their key to REALLY changing the the good old USofA.....get ready for the most obscene display of one sided and biased "journalism" from the MSM since Patty Hearst's granddaddy got us to attack Cuba. Let's hope there is enough common sense inside the electorate's brains and let's also hope there is enough clout in the new media (FoxNews, talk radio, and blogs like this one) to stop this soon to be travesty.......
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bosforus Tue, May 13, 2008 8:09:25pm |
re: #83 gman
Every day this race continues is meaningful because it speaks volumes about the current division among Democrats. No matter how you slice it and dice it, there are a lot of Democrats who do not want Obama for president.
Only because they're racists!
/
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Idle Drifter Tue, May 13, 2008 8:10:27pm |
re: #77 winston06
Take a vacation
I've got to protect my stuff, I'd feel really stupid if I left town and something happened and I didn't get any pictures. Besides I'm using my vacation time to visit family back East and enjoy Lake Michigan and Western Michigan in summer.
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Desert Dog Tue, May 13, 2008 8:10:31pm |
re: #91 ted
What about his grandma ?
She's still under the bus with the Right Rev. Wright
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Mich-again Tue, May 13, 2008 8:10:50pm |
Yes (West) Virginia, there really is a Jeremiah Wright.
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JustMyView Tue, May 13, 2008 8:10:52pm |
re: #69 lawhawk
Not true - Democrats have a two tier system in place since 1968 - to prevent a repeat of that disastrous convention.
You get pledged delegates - those chosen based on proportional results of the primaries, plus a number of superdelegates who are unpledged to any candidate, but can vote any way they see fit up to the time their votes are counted at the convention.
That's why you see Obama and Clinton jockeying for supers. They know that every vote can change hands between now and the convention - and it already has seen some swaps.
Correct, but it's not right to say "selected, not elected", because something like 2/3 of the delegates are selected in primaries and caucuses. There's an element of selection. How important the supers are depends on how close the primaries/caucuses are. They're important this year, but haven't been for several cycles.
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jetziger Tue, May 13, 2008 8:11:13pm |
For some reason, people have this tendency to paint Bill Clinton's Presidency in a rosy light...
I remember being in Israel at the height of the "Lewinsky-cum-on-dress-gate" scandal, with Barelybelievable-Bill protesting his "innocence" before the world's TV cameras, while nationals of all stripes hooted with derision...'twas most embarrassing for me, as an American.
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ted Tue, May 13, 2008 8:11:50pm |
re: #93 Desert Dog
She's still under the bus with the Right Rev. Wright
I thought so.
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Lizard by the Bay Tue, May 13, 2008 8:12:12pm |
re: #53 Killian Bundy
This a real electoral map problem for Obama. Besides the West Virginia jinx, he can't historically or mathematically win the general election without winning at least one southern (aka Bible Belt) State. Ask Kerry about that.
/name the southern State Obama has a chance in hell of winning
Perhaps Georgia? In any event, your logic is a little flawed. True, no one has won the Presidency without carrying one Southern state, but that doesn't mean they needed to. Clinton would have won re-election over Dole even if you took every southern state win away from him.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 13, 2008 8:12:19pm |
re: #67 laZardo
I would have to say that he has a good chance in the South. They'll definitely turn out in droves like it's the Civil Rights March all over again just to vote for him...
Those are red states.
/not even 90% of the black vote will turn them blue, but we'll see as the map starts coalescing
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mikalm Tue, May 13, 2008 8:12:25pm |
re: #56 Slumbering Behemoth
These fellers were invited to play for a riot.
Yup. Great band, stupid politics.
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gibsonz Tue, May 13, 2008 8:12:38pm |
Hillary is hanging on for two reasons...she was a lock in W.Virginia and Kentucky,after that she is toast and she knows it...if only we could hit the big trifecta and they all 3 could lose.
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Desert Dog Tue, May 13, 2008 8:14:31pm |
The Road to Hell is paved with Superdelegates
This is an interesting article from Forbes via RealClearPolitics. Seems to me that Barry won a lot states in the primary that he will not win in the General....whereas Hildebeast won the biggies.....leave it to the Dems to make it so "fair" that it screws it up.....oh well, their intentions were good, so that's all that matters...right?
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Bob in Breckenridge Tue, May 13, 2008 8:14:42pm |
re: #36 itellu3times
1968 Chicago democratic convention, riots in the streets, riots on the convention floor, as Da System nominated Hubert Horatio Humphrey, by then a senile old party hack, to oppose Richard Nixon, at the height of the Vietnam war.
The operative term being "riot".
And Dan Rather getting punched in the stomach on the convention floor!
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USBeast Tue, May 13, 2008 8:15:13pm |
Obama will have to self-destruct (a possibility) very soon for Lady MacBill to have a chance.
On a side note: However this election plays out, I would not trade places with Bill Clinton for anything this world has to offer. Win or lose, his life won't be worth living.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 13, 2008 8:15:40pm |
re: #101 Lizard by the Bay
This isn't shaping up as a landslide.
/current polls have 20% of Clinton voters boltering to McCain
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JustMyView Tue, May 13, 2008 8:15:53pm |
re: #83 gman
Every day this race continues is meaningful because it speaks volumes about the current division among Democrats. No matter how you slice it and dice it, there are a lot of Democrats who do not want Obama for president.
You're right, but, based on the results so far, there are more who don't want Hillary to be president.
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itellu3times Tue, May 13, 2008 8:15:54pm |
re: #81 schultzw
what's more appropriate than for HHH to get a crappy stadium named after him?
Well, it's sad, he'd been a lot better than that, back in the democratic socialist heydeys.
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Bob in Breckenridge Tue, May 13, 2008 8:16:05pm |
re: #63 Charles
Instalanche incoming, to the Tim Townsend post...
What is instalanche?
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stevieray Tue, May 13, 2008 8:16:19pm |
re: #108 gman
Any idea where instalanche is coming from?
Don't tug on superman's cape.
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Biff Tue, May 13, 2008 8:16:30pm |
re: #29 laZardo
Quick historical refresher...what happened in '68 again?
After Gene McCarthy's strong showing against LBJ in the early primaries, LBJ dropped out, announcing on national TV that he would not to seek the nomination. RFK entered the race and beat McCarthy in the definitive California primary only to be gunned down that night by a Pali terrorist named Sirhan Sirhan. The convention in Chicago was rigged to nominate LBJ's Veep Hubert Horatio Humphrey, who refused to challenge LBJ's position supporting the Viet Nam war. Virtually, every voter in the Dem primaries was disenfranchised. Many radical groups as well as thousands of young people and activists camped out by the lake in Chicago. When Mayor Daly's police attempted to clear them from the park and the streets outside of the convention, there was a sizable riot on two consecutive nights. Interestingly, John Belushi was at the head of one of the rows of protesters, and threw a cannister of tear gas back at the police. The police beat hundreds of protesters with clubs, and in the convention Daly was villified by the McCarthy supporters. It was a very ugly seen ending in the nomination of HHH, with Edmund Muskie as the VP nominee. The convention put the Dem campaign on a real downslope. Humphrey rallied late in the campaign and lost to Nixon in a squeaker. Had Humphrey disavowed the LBJ Viet Nam strategy at any time during the campaign he would likely have won. Today's crazy Dem nomination process is in great part a result of the 1968 election.
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Sarge1984 Tue, May 13, 2008 8:16:47pm |
re: #112 Bob in Breckenridge
Kind of like the Avs, only faster!
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Lizard by the Bay Tue, May 13, 2008 8:16:57pm |
re: #105 Desert Dog
The Road to Hell is paved with Superdelegates
This is an interesting article from Forbes via RealClearPolitics. Seems to me that Barry won a lot states in the primary that he will not win in the General....whereas Hildebeast won the biggies.....leave it to the Dems to make it so "fair" that it screws it up.....oh well, their intentions were good, so that's all that matters...right?
Let's not forget the phenomenon of "caucuses", where the fringe (or "base" as the Dems lovingly call them) of the party determines the winner rather than popular vote. Obama cleaned up in every caucus, in states where he might never have carried the vote.
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HelloDare Tue, May 13, 2008 8:17:03pm |
re: #113 stevieray
Don't tug on superman's cape.
The 57th state?
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profitsbeard Tue, May 13, 2008 8:17:11pm |
Michelle must be gettin' less and less proud...
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really grumpy big dog Johnson Tue, May 13, 2008 8:17:21pm |
re: #106 Bob in Breckenridge
And Dan Rather getting punched in the stomach on the convention floor!
Priceless!
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 13, 2008 8:18:21pm |
re: #112 Bob in Breckenridge
What is instalanche?
/a link from the puppy blender
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pingjockey Tue, May 13, 2008 8:18:21pm |
re: #114 Biff
And Dan Rather got mugged by Mayor Daileys goons on live tv!
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Bob in Breckenridge Tue, May 13, 2008 8:18:46pm |
re: #115 Sarge1984
Kind of like the Avs, only faster!
OIC. Thanks.
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brainwizard73 Tue, May 13, 2008 8:19:10pm |
re: #17 itellu3times
In the Obama administration, West Virginia will be ceded to the Palestinians.
Hamas in Huntington...Fatah gets Morgantown? Yikes...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 13, 2008 8:19:33pm |
re: #108 gman
Any idea where instalanche is coming from?
What's an instalanche? (he asked shyly)
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Desert Dog Tue, May 13, 2008 8:20:30pm |
re: #124 brainwizard73
Hamas in Huntington...Fatah gets Morgantown? Yikes...
My money would be on the Hillbilly's in that battle!
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pingjockey Tue, May 13, 2008 8:20:37pm |
re: #124 brainwizard73
Never happen. Too many deer rifles and people who know how to use them!
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lummox Tue, May 13, 2008 8:21:02pm |
It's time to drive a stake through Ms. Clinton's heart.
Let's get this show on the road.
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Slumbering Behemoth Tue, May 13, 2008 8:21:09pm |
re: #103 mikalm
Great music, stupid politics, dangerous incitement.
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HelloDare Tue, May 13, 2008 8:21:15pm |
re: #119 really grumpy big dog Johnson
I think that was Bill Burkett that punched Rather. I've seen a memo about it.
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stevieray Tue, May 13, 2008 8:21:30pm |
re: #114 Biff
Good recap. I would add that the democrats' ungainly delegate/superdelegate system is also a reflection of that core democrat value... elitism. For all their talk about being the party of the regular folks, in their hearts they really don't trust them.
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brainwizard73 Tue, May 13, 2008 8:22:16pm |
re: #66 Idle Drifter
God don't remind me, I just moved here. I better get ready for any possible Anarchist uprising. Governent peanut butter and crackers, bottled water, fire exstiguisher, 3000 rounds of pepper balls///////////
Consider Kevlar!
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shug Tue, May 13, 2008 8:22:16pm |
re: #128 lummox
It's time to drive a stake through Ms. Clinton's heart.
Let's get this show on the road.
what heart?
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Desert Dog Tue, May 13, 2008 8:22:18pm |
re: #130 HelloDare
I think that was Bill Burkett that punched Rather. I've seen a memo about it.
Yes, and if you listen very hard, he is saying "What's the Frequency, Kenneth"? too
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 13, 2008 8:22:29pm |
Ah man, James Garner had a stroke? Just saw it on Yahoo. He'd be fun to hang out with.
What's an instalanche?
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jcm Tue, May 13, 2008 8:22:39pm |
re: #125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What's an instalanche? (he asked shyly)
A link at instapundit.com followed by overworked hamsters.
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really grumpy big dog Johnson Tue, May 13, 2008 8:23:02pm |
Just because us plebian lizardoids cannot see the instalanche does not imply that it does not exist. Patience, grasshoppers.
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gibsonz Tue, May 13, 2008 8:23:04pm |
re: #128 lummox
It's time to drive a stake through Ms. Clinton's heart.
------
Why Clinton`s are so hard to get rid of...there is no heart to drive a stake thru...!
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brainwizard73 Tue, May 13, 2008 8:23:32pm |
re: #127 pingjockey
Never happen. Too many deer rifles and people who know how to use them!
My mom's family is from WV hill country...seriously, Pawpaw grew up in a shack with corn cobs in the walls for insulation. Not exactly the 1986 pinot noir and stilton set.
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Bob in Breckenridge Tue, May 13, 2008 8:23:38pm |
re: #132 brainwizard73
Consider
KevlarColorado Springs!
/Much safer.
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really grumpy big dog Johnson Tue, May 13, 2008 8:23:55pm |
lummox sounds flummoxed.
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Lizard by the Bay Tue, May 13, 2008 8:24:22pm |
re: #78 really grumpy big dog Johnson
I don't "remember it" in the sense of being there (I wasn't), but I'm not ignorant of my country's political history, either.
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Racer X Tue, May 13, 2008 8:24:30pm |
re: #128 lummox
It's time to drive a stake through Ms. Clinton's heart.
Let's get this show on the road.
I agree.
Obama is unelectable - clearly the easier opponent for McCain at this point. If Hillary manages to jump back in McCain could be in trouble.
Part of me still believes she will steal the nomination from Obama. *cue spooky music*
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pingjockey Tue, May 13, 2008 8:25:13pm |
re: #139 brainwizard73
My moms side of the family is from Arkansas. I don't think the paleosimians would do well in the Ozarks or Appalachians!
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Mich-again Tue, May 13, 2008 8:25:43pm |
re: #131 stevieray
For all their talk about being the party of the regular folks, in their hearts they really don't trust them.
Of course not! They were educated by party hacks in the classroom to be ignorant and reliant on the gubmit.
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hermeneutics Tue, May 13, 2008 8:25:51pm |
Who is McCain's primary speechwriter? Do any of you know?
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JustMyView Tue, May 13, 2008 8:25:58pm |
re: #53 Killian Bundy
name the southern State Obama has a chance in hell of winning
Some think he can win Virginia. It is, increasingly, an urban state with a diverse population. Northern Virginia, in particular, is an affluent area w/ a well-educated population. Moderate to conservative Democrats have recently won statewide races. I believe Obama won the VA primary w/ a total of 64% of the vote.
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Lizard by the Bay Tue, May 13, 2008 8:26:15pm |
re: #146 hermeneutics
Who is McCain's primary speechwriter? Do any of you know?
Hope it's not Ben Stein.
/running and ducking
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brainwizard73 Tue, May 13, 2008 8:26:34pm |
re: #140 Bob in Breckenridge
/Much safer.
Leave to someone else to show me the way.
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paradox42 Tue, May 13, 2008 8:26:59pm |
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Bob in Breckenridge Tue, May 13, 2008 8:27:24pm |
re: #146 hermeneutics
Who is McCain's primary speechwriter? Do any of you know?
Mark Salter.
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Desert Dog Tue, May 13, 2008 8:27:42pm |
re: #150 paradox42
Shouldn't that hurt his chances?
Well educated does not mean wiser....
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EE Tue, May 13, 2008 8:27:45pm |
Barack Hussein Obama is pretty much like George McGovern -- he has the hormonally driven college students and the left-wing elites in his camp -- plus his skin color has the black vote locked up (but they always vote Dem no matter what) -- with a Marxist history, some very bad associates, an unending series of lies in the Pastorgate cover-up, wet behind the ears with no accomplishments whatsoever, and his outstanding hucksterism of unspecified change.
Glad that West Virginia voters had his number.
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x-ray Tue, May 13, 2008 8:27:56pm |
re: #146 hermeneutics
Who is McCain's primary speechwriter? Do any of you know?
I'd bet Al Gore lately.
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goddessoftheclassroom Tue, May 13, 2008 8:28:06pm |
re: #136 jcm
A link at instapundit.com followed by overworked hamsters.
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sonoffar Tue, May 13, 2008 8:28:20pm |
re: #53 Killian Bundy
/name the southern State Obama has a chance in hell of winning
Gaza Strip
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hermeneutics Tue, May 13, 2008 8:28:41pm |
re: #151 Bob in Breckenridge
That's what I thought, but I wasn't sure if Salter was still around.
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jcm Tue, May 13, 2008 8:29:11pm |
re: #155 goddessoftheclassroom
GET THOSE HAMSTER BACK TO WORK!
ROFL!
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freetoken Tue, May 13, 2008 8:29:21pm |
The important point (obviously) is on page 4:
Was Race of Candidate Important to You
Clinton(voters) Obama (voters)
Yes: 81% 13%
No: 59% 34%
So there you have it, racists prefer Hillary by over a 6:1 ratio...
Should someone who so divides this country by race be encouraged to stay in the campaign? Should she not, for the sake of healing America, withdraw?
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brainwizard73 Tue, May 13, 2008 8:29:30pm |
re: #144 pingjockey
My moms side of the family is from Arkansas. I don't think the paleosimians would do well in the Ozarks or Appalachians!
The biggest thing about these places is that they are genuine and they smell rats a mile away. They don't stand for bull.
Barack (and the little woman) are pulling a large train behind them.
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Lizard by the Bay Tue, May 13, 2008 8:29:33pm |
re: #150 paradox42
Shouldn't that hurt his chances?
No. Over-educated elitists love Obama's shit. Just like they love communism. It's only been the worst plauge on humanity several times over, so there's really no good reason not to try it again.
/never try to understand an over-educated Dem. The extra education is to teach them how not to pay attention to common sense.
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Desert Dog Tue, May 13, 2008 8:29:33pm |
re: #156 sonoffar
/name the southern State Obama has a chance in hell of winning
Gaza Strip
He will have all the absentee ballots from Tehran, Damascus and S. Beirut as well
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really grumpy big dog Johnson Tue, May 13, 2008 8:29:56pm |
re: #147 JustMyView
Some think he can win Virginia. It is, increasingly, an urban state with a diverse population. Northern Virginia, in particular, is an affluent area w/ a well-educated population. Moderate to conservative Democrats have recently won statewide races. I believe Obama won the VA primary w/ a total of 64% of the vote.
Langley really disrupts that theory. Well-educated? You make the call.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, May 13, 2008 8:30:11pm |
I haven't visited CNN since they posted a terrorist propaganda video as "news". I'll have to see the numbers elsewhere.
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Biff Tue, May 13, 2008 8:30:12pm |
If Hillary does managed to come back and convince the convention to NObama, she will have a hell of a lot of momentum, even without much of the black voters turning out, which could really hurt her in Illinois and Pennsylvania.
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brainwizard73 Tue, May 13, 2008 8:30:15pm |
re: #148 Lizard by the Bay
Hope it's not Ben Stein.
/running and ducking
Clear Eyes are Awesome!
Wow!
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Charles Tue, May 13, 2008 8:30:44pm |
The days when a high traffic link would cause our hamsters to go into hypoglycemic shock are over.
We're running on heavy fuel now.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 13, 2008 8:31:45pm |
re: #164 Pawn of the Oppressor
I haven't visited CNN since they posted a terrorist propaganda video as "news". I'll have to see the numbers elsewhere.
Same here. The sniper video did it for me. I do watch Glenn Beck sometimes but that's it.
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goddessoftheclassroom Tue, May 13, 2008 8:32:06pm |
re: #167 Charles
The days when a high traffic link would cause our hamsters to go into hypoglycemic shock are over.
We're running on heavy fuel now.
Hence the dancing hamsters (see my 155)
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Desert Dog Tue, May 13, 2008 8:32:09pm |
re: #163 really grumpy big dog Johnson
Eggheads and blacks......and 90%+ of the MSM, droning on constantly how great he is, while forgiving or ignoring any possible problems
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 13, 2008 8:32:17pm |
re: #147 JustMyView
Some think he can win Virginia. It is, increasingly, an urban state with a diverse population. Northern Virginia, in particular, is an affluent area w/ a well-educated population. Moderate to conservative Democrats have recently won statewide races. I believe Obama won the VA primary w/ a total of 64% of the vote.
/we'll see, six months is an eternity in politics, plenty of time to expose Obama for the socialist hack he is
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Bob in Breckenridge Tue, May 13, 2008 8:32:18pm |
re: #167 Charles
The days when a high traffic link would cause our hamsters to go into hypoglycemic shock are over.
We're running on heavy fuel now.
You mean Heavy Fuel!
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jcm Tue, May 13, 2008 8:32:49pm |
re: #167 Charles
The days when a high traffic link would cause our hamsters to go into hypoglycemic shock are over.
We're running on heavy fuel now.
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rawmuse Tue, May 13, 2008 8:32:54pm |
I'm an egghead and I am not for Obama. What the heck is wrong with me?
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brainwizard73 Tue, May 13, 2008 8:33:03pm |
re: #159 freetoken
Should someone who so divides this country by race be encouraged to stay in the campaign?
Agree. I invite Barack Obama to suspend his campaign.
Uh, Barack? Hellooo?
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JustMyView Tue, May 13, 2008 8:33:06pm |
re: #146 hermeneutics
Who is McCain's primary speechwriter? Do any of you know?
I think it's Mark Salter.
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really grumpy big dog Johnson Tue, May 13, 2008 8:33:13pm |
re: #159 freetoken
The important point (obviously) is on page 4:
So there you have it, racists prefer Hillary by over a 6:1 ratio...Should someone who so divides this country by race be encouraged to stay in the campaign? Should she not, for the sake of healing America, withdraw?
34% of Obama supporters say that race doesn't matter, but 94% of that portion of the electorate identified by the mainstream media as black is voting for Obama.
What portion of the electorate identified by the msm as white is voting for Hillary?
The problem with simplistic propaganda is that it's just stupid.
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Idle Drifter Tue, May 13, 2008 8:33:22pm |
re: #132 brainwizard73
Consider Kevlar!
I really don't think that we'll see a redo of '68 but after reading some of the Anarchists' websites it wouldn't hurt to be prepared. I'm well outside Denver proper with much of the action that may take place down town near the media cameras around the DNC. I do know the Police, FBI and the Secrete Service are going over their plans and training for multiples of different scenarios. Though the ACLU had thrown a monkey wrench into that planning with that lawsuit over the DNC security plans. Whatever bad may happen the police will be out in force with riot gear, horses, helicopter, etc. to maintain control in and around the DNC and Denver as well. The only intangibles I can think of happening near me would be from local idiots and the local police will be on alert for such noise.
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snowcrash Tue, May 13, 2008 8:33:24pm |
Does anyone have a grudging respect for the toughness Hillary has shown in this campaign? I didn't expect it after the tears in N.H.
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gibsonz Tue, May 13, 2008 8:34:11pm |
re: #177 Bob in Breckenridge
Mark is always running on heavy fuel...what a guitar player.
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Bob in Breckenridge Tue, May 13, 2008 8:34:14pm |
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paradox42 Tue, May 13, 2008 8:34:17pm |
I like what my dad said about Obama:
"If I wanted change, I'd go to the bank."
And with that thought I take my leave. Good night everybody.
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Biff Tue, May 13, 2008 8:34:21pm |
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goddessoftheclassroom Tue, May 13, 2008 8:34:33pm |
re: #184 snowcrash
Does anyone have a grudging respect for the toughness Hillary has shown in this campaign? I didn't expect it after the tears in N.H.
I must confess I do.
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jcm Tue, May 13, 2008 8:34:52pm |
re: #187 Bob in Breckenridge
Beat you by 21 seconds! GTMA...
LOL! Too slow on the keys.
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brainwizard73 Tue, May 13, 2008 8:34:56pm |
re: #162 Desert Dog
He will have all the absentee ballots from Tehran, Damascus and S. Beirut as well
"Ignore the outlying Sudan precincts at your own peril," says Michael Barone.
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Bob in Breckenridge Tue, May 13, 2008 8:35:13pm |
re: #187 Bob in Breckenridge
Beat you by 21 seconds! GTMA...
Crap. 31 seconds.
/The new math.
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MandyManners Tue, May 13, 2008 8:35:22pm |
re: #179 rawmuse
I'm an egghead and I am not for Obama. What the heck is wrong with me?
Hard-boiled?
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Desert Dog Tue, May 13, 2008 8:35:29pm |
re: #179 rawmuse
I'm an egghead and I am not for Obama. What the heck is wrong with me?
You have not had a great fall off a wall. All of the king's horses and men are busy putting the others heads back together again
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 13, 2008 8:35:30pm |
re: #167 Charles
The days when a high traffic link would cause our hamsters to go into hypoglycemic shock are over.
We're running on heavy fuel now.
Years from now I can tell my daughters "I remember when LGF would get bogged down from a lot of people reading it." My daughter replies "Wow daddy...is that when President Johnson was building it?"
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hermeneutics Tue, May 13, 2008 8:37:15pm |
re: #179 rawmuse
Rawmuse, Perhaps you're more hardboiled?
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HelloDare Tue, May 13, 2008 8:37:22pm |
re: #191 goddessoftheclassroom
Me, too. But then I also have a sort of respect for the anopheles mosquito.
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MandyManners Tue, May 13, 2008 8:37:49pm |
re: #184 snowcrash
Does anyone have a grudging respect for the toughness Hillary has shown in this campaign? I didn't expect it after the tears in N.H.
The tears were fake.
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USBeast Tue, May 13, 2008 8:38:12pm |
re: #184 snowcrash
Does anyone have a grudging respect for the toughness Hillary has shown in this campaign? I didn't expect it after the tears in N.H.
I don't know if I'd call it "toughness". Yes, Hillary is tough. She is also ruthless and I believe she is still looking for a chance, any chance, to hamstring Obama.
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really grumpy big dog Johnson Tue, May 13, 2008 8:38:18pm |
re: #198 NJDhockeyfan
Years from now I can tell my daughters "I remember when LGF would get bogged down from a lot of people reading it." My daughter replies "Wow daddy...is that when President Johnson was building it?"
Of my own heart. Thank you.
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brainwizard73 Tue, May 13, 2008 8:38:22pm |
re: #183 Idle Drifter
I really don't think that we'll see a redo of '68 but after reading some of the Anarchists' websites it wouldn't hurt to be prepared. I'm well outside Denver proper with much of the action that may take place down town near the media cameras around the DNC. I do know the Police, FBI and the Secrete Service are going over their plans and training for multiples of different scenarios. Though the ACLU had thrown a monkey wrench into that planning with that lawsuit over the DNC security plans. Whatever bad may happen the police will be out in force with riot gear, horses, helicopter, etc. to maintain control in and around the DNC and Denver as well. The only intangibles I can think of happening near me would be from local idiots and the local police will be on alert for such noise.
It probably is a bit over blown but since the Dems still think the world is as it was in 1968, the new generation of Dems (and nut-job lefties) will want to have a "1968" moment. That should be a concern.
Of course if the police crack down, you know who will get blamed, right?
(Bush!)
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 13, 2008 8:38:34pm |
re: #159 freetoken
So there you have it, racists prefer Hillary by over a 6:1 ratio...
Should someone who so divides this country by race be encouraged to stay in the campaign? Should she not, for the sake of healing America, withdraw?
Why not? Hillary just drove home the obvious tonight. Racism works both ways, actually, in all directions.
/like it or not, it's going to be an issue in the general election, if anything, the recent 90+% black solidarity for Obama should be more than a little bit disturbing to the racial get along gang
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goddessoftheclassroom Tue, May 13, 2008 8:38:52pm |
re: #202 HelloDare
Me, too. But then I also have a sort of respect for the anopheles mosquito.
I understand.
At the same time, as much as I despise her, I think she is more of a real leader than Obama.
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Last Mohican Tue, May 13, 2008 8:39:06pm |
re: #167 Charles
Indeed, the site remains lightning-quick, and the throaty roar emanating from the engine room is awe-inspiring.
I guess the anabolic steroids you've been injecting into the hamsters are paying off. I just hope they don't all break out through the front gate one day. The carnage could be extensive.
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brainwizard73 Tue, May 13, 2008 8:39:19pm |
re: #184 snowcrash
Does anyone have a grudging respect for the toughness Hillary has shown in this campaign? I didn't expect it after the tears in N.H.
Absolutely. If Fred Thompson were subject to this onslaught, his head would explode.
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MandyManners Tue, May 13, 2008 8:39:31pm |
re: #207 jaunte
Tack in her shoe?
Or, she bit the inside of her mouth.
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USBeast Tue, May 13, 2008 8:40:54pm |
re: #185 Desert Dog
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sngnsgt Tue, May 13, 2008 8:41:07pm |
HILL HINTS SHE'S SET TO PULL THE PLUG
CHARLESTON, W.Va. - Barack Obama yesterday turned his sights on winning the White House in November, as Hillary Rodham Clinton hinted she might wrap up her campaign as early as next week.
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hermeneutics Tue, May 13, 2008 8:41:10pm |
Okay, so ... I want to contact Mark Salter. Not McCain. Salter. Any ideas as to how to get directly to him via either email or snailmail?
If I mail something to the Arlington headquarters for McCain, it will probably be opened by some college volunteer. THat's what I'm trying to avoid.
Ideas?
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Desert Dog Tue, May 13, 2008 8:41:12pm |
re: #210 Last Mohican
Indeed, the site remains lightning-quick, and the throaty roar emanating from the engine room is awe-inspiring.
I guess the anabolic steroids you've been injecting into the hamsters are paying off. I just hope they don't all break out through the front gate one day. The carnage could be extensive.
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Last Mohican Tue, May 13, 2008 8:41:25pm |
re: #213 MandyManners
Or, she bit the inside of her mouth.
I don't think there's any physical pain that could be as upsetting to Hillary as the prospect of losing money and power.
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freetoken Tue, May 13, 2008 8:41:47pm |
re: #208 Killian Bundy
/like it or not, it's going to be an issue in the general election, if anything, the recent 90+% black solidarity for Obama should be more than a little bit disturbing to the racial get along gang
Well, Bill Clinton, America's First Black President, used to poll those sort of numbers with African-Americans.
Ironic, isn't it.
Yes, I fully expect the race card to be played so many ways that the bicycle on the back will be worn off....
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brainwizard73 Tue, May 13, 2008 8:42:00pm |
HELP! HELP! The world as we know it is ending.
There was a Republican primary tonight and ABC is reporting that Ron Paul got NO VOTES.
I demand an immediate congressional and FBI investigation.
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Shug Tue, May 13, 2008 8:42:13pm |
re: #214 USBeast
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Racer X Tue, May 13, 2008 8:42:19pm |
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HelloDare Tue, May 13, 2008 8:42:52pm |
re: #209 goddessoftheclassroom
Yes. But then, other than her campaign, what has she run that she didn't screw up or throw into a scandal? Obama has shown no ability to lead. He won all his elections because his opponents ran into trouble.
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Biff Tue, May 13, 2008 8:43:00pm |
How soon will it be before some MSM journalist attempts to take credit for being the first person to declare the Obama is unelectable?
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Bob in Breckenridge Tue, May 13, 2008 8:43:03pm |
re: #203 MandyManners
The tears were fake.
O'Reilly pointed out on his radio show that Hillary started using her fake southern accent again in WV.
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brainwizard73 Tue, May 13, 2008 8:43:30pm |
re: #218 buzzsawmonkey
As I said in a previous thread, Fred Thompson's brief foray into the Presidential race looked like nothing so much as though he was blundering around looking for the men's room at a second-rate country club, after having drunk too much domestic champagne at a reception.
LOL. Good thing old Fred has a soft pillow at night...and his wife isn't ugly either.
Have to respect HRC...can't deny she's a gamer. Gamey? Yes, but a gamer.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 13, 2008 8:44:03pm |
re: #159 freetoken
Wow- is that ever a misleading post.
Was Race of Candidate Important to You:
Yes: 22%
No: 77%
Of the 22% who said yes- 89% went for Clinton. OK- but they already admitted race was a factor, and they are a minority.
Of the 77%- 59% went to Clinton.
There was also a breakdown of the same question but posed in terms of Gender- should we read too much into that as well?
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Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, May 13, 2008 8:44:03pm |
I maintain that at least one person will be leaving the convention floor feet-first. There will be injuries at the very least, but I think at least one person will be killed.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 13, 2008 8:44:10pm |
re: #220 freetoken
Well, Bill Clinton, America's First Black President, used to poll those sort of numbers with African-Americans.
No, no, no.
/Bill Clinton never polled over 90% of the black vote
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really grumpy big dog Johnson Tue, May 13, 2008 8:44:33pm |
re: #215 sngnsgt
HILL HINTS SHE'S SET TO PULL THE PLUG
Her job is done. Her candidacy in 12 is assured.
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goddessoftheclassroom Tue, May 13, 2008 8:44:36pm |
re: #216 hermeneutics
Okay, so ... I want to contact Mark Salter. Not McCain. Salter. Any ideas as to how to get directly to him via either email or snailmail?
If I mail something to the Arlington headquarters for McCain, it will probably be opened by some college volunteer. THat's what I'm trying to avoid.
Ideas?
Registered mail?
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Last Mohican Tue, May 13, 2008 8:44:39pm |
re: #227 Bob in Breckenridge
O'Reilly pointed out on his radio show that Hillary started using her fake southern accent again in WV.
Really? I'd love to hear a clip.
I'll bet she didn't bust out the "ah've come too far to turn back now" routine, though.
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Sarge1984 Tue, May 13, 2008 8:44:46pm |
re: #223 Racer X
ISH? ? ?
ROFLMAO! !
Well...I figured "-ish" because it was broadcast on the radio....
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USBeast Tue, May 13, 2008 8:44:54pm |
re: #222 Shug
try my product
Only if there's a free sample.
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hazzyday Tue, May 13, 2008 8:45:09pm |
I'm not convinced Hilary is out until Obama has the real numbers. McCain was also out in last place. Admittedly before anyone had voted. I want to see the mashup collage of the Super Delegates with Obama and friends. How is a super delegate for Obama any different from Rev Wright. ... Especially one that has switched out of the Hillary camp.
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rawmuse Tue, May 13, 2008 8:45:19pm |
re: #201 hermeneutics
Rawmuse, Perhaps you're more hardboiled?
I'm still clinging to my guns and religion. That negates my egg-headedness.
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MandyManners Tue, May 13, 2008 8:46:23pm |
re: #219 Last Mohican
I don't think there's any physical pain that could be as upsetting to Hillary as the prospect of losing money and power.
The tears were real?
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freetoken Tue, May 13, 2008 8:46:43pm |
re: #229 Sharmuta
Wow- is that ever a misleading post.
Ummm... that was the point.
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brainwizard73 Tue, May 13, 2008 8:46:56pm |
re: #215 sngnsgt
HILL HINTS SHE'S SET TO PULL THE PLUG
Is this for real? How much cred does this get?
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Last Mohican Tue, May 13, 2008 8:47:01pm |
re: #241 MandyManners
The tears were real?
That's what I'm thinking.
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hermeneutics Tue, May 13, 2008 8:47:02pm |
re: #240 rawmuse
Actually, it doesn't negate anything, Raw -- you're both intellectual and a straight shooter.
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freetoken Tue, May 13, 2008 8:47:24pm |
re: #231 Killian Bundy
No, no, no.
/Bill Clinton never polled over 90% of the black vote
Are you sure about that? I could have sworn that in certain states that Bill did indeed poll over the 90% figure.
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goddessoftheclassroom Tue, May 13, 2008 8:47:27pm |
re: #224 HelloDare
Yes. But then, other than her campaign, what has she run that she didn't screw up or throw into a scandal? Obama has shown no ability to lead. He won all his elections because his opponents ran into trouble.
I agree with you completely, but I still argue that even when she's making a mistake, she makes decisions. I can't stand wafflers (although I adore waffles).
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MandyManners Tue, May 13, 2008 8:47:38pm |
re: #227 Bob in Breckenridge
O'Reilly pointed out on his radio show that Hillary started using her fake southern accent again in WV.
I was about to ask if she has no shame.
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swamprat Tue, May 13, 2008 8:47:50pm |
this just in; fire does not melt steel and cellphones don't work in flight.
troofers exposed as fools
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itellu3times Tue, May 13, 2008 8:48:33pm |
re: #246 freetoken
Are you sure about that? I could have sworn that in certain states that Bill did indeed poll over the 90% figure.
Probably about 103% in some districts.
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rawmuse Tue, May 13, 2008 8:48:47pm |
re: #243 brainwizard73
Is this for real? How much cred does this get?
She is spending her own $. When your campaign is low on money, you have to pay cash for everything. Your credit isn't worth squat. Obama, on the other hand, is swimming in it. It makes a huge difference.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 13, 2008 8:48:53pm |
re: #220 freetoken
African-Americans
/and that's a really quaint term, if you're interested in ending racism
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JustMyView Tue, May 13, 2008 8:48:53pm |
re: #175 Killian Bundy
we'll see, six months is an eternity in politics
Absolutely! Lots of things could happen. But if I were an opponent of Obama, I don't think I would be spending my time on a blog writing comments about whom he might or might not have met with or worrying out which goofballs are putting up blogs on his web site.
More 1.5 million people have contributed several hundred million dollars to his campaign. More than 17 million people have voted for him, and something like that number have voted for Sen. Clinton. Most of them will vote for Obama in the fall. About 3 million new voters have registered as Democrats during the primary season. Last weekend, Obama launched a nationwide voter registration campaign that will help to boost turnout in the fall for him and other Democrats. (The new registrants can, of course, vote for anyone, but Obama will, in most cases, have their names and contact info so they can be targeted in fall GOTV campaigns.)
In a poll released today, 81% of the population said they think the country is on the wrong track. Republicans have lost, by substantial margins, special elections in three House districts that had been strongly Republican for many years.
But if you want to keep worrying about which magazine cover Obama's face is on, who he's had lunch with lately, or what kind of lapel pin he is wearing, go right ahead.
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hermeneutics Tue, May 13, 2008 8:49:05pm |
Any other ideas as to how to contact Mark Salter directly? I'm serious, here. And stumped. I've done the internet search and can't find a viable address, except the headquarters in Arlington.
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really grumpy big dog Johnson Tue, May 13, 2008 8:50:00pm |
re: #242 freetoken
Ummm... that was the point.
Thanks for the sarc tag. Without it, we wouldn't have had a clue.
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brainwizard73 Tue, May 13, 2008 8:50:19pm |
re: #252 rawmuse
She is spending her own $. When your campaign is low on money, you have to pay cash for everything. Your credit isn't worth squat. Obama, on the other hand, is swimming in it. It makes a huge difference.
True.
However, why now? Why not after Kentucky? Why not see if she can get an "Obama" state? All indications were she would be in until at least June 3.
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Tue, May 13, 2008 8:50:40pm |
re: #220 freetoken
Yes, I fully expect the race card to be played so many ways that the bicycle on the back will be worn off....
Yep, the card will be worn thinner than Amy Goodman's hair.
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Biff Tue, May 13, 2008 8:51:34pm |
NEWSFLASH. The MSM has discovered pre-diversity Real American Democrats hiding in the hills of West Virginia, and apparently they have access to the internet.
The MSM keeps claiming that there are subtle signs that Hillary is ready to end it. Must be the kool aid. ABC Nightline is trying to bury her right now.
Boy, is Rush going to have a good time tomorrow.
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Desert Dog Tue, May 13, 2008 8:51:35pm |
re: #254 JustMyView
Wow, I guess we should just give up then, it's a lost cause.....
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sngnsgt Tue, May 13, 2008 8:51:40pm |
re: #243 brainwizard73
Is this for real? How much cred does this get?
I was hoping she would suck up some votes only to be a spoiler.
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Shug Tue, May 13, 2008 8:51:42pm |
re: #258 brainwizard73
True.
However, why now? Why not after Kentucky? Why not see if she can get an "Obama" state? All indications were she would be in until at least June 3.
Operation Chaos costs her nothing.
She's getting millions of dollars in free advertising from Limbaugh.
Amd lots of operation chaos foot soldiers.
Don't quit Hillary. Lots of republicans want to vote for you before they vote against you
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MandyManners Tue, May 13, 2008 8:51:46pm |
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really grumpy big dog Johnson Tue, May 13, 2008 8:51:49pm |
I want to nominate JMV for Moby Cum Laude.
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Steffan Tue, May 13, 2008 8:51:50pm |
re: #15 jcm
denver denver Denver DENVER DENVER
I've got the popcorn.
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jainphx Tue, May 13, 2008 8:52:29pm |
re: #254 JustMyView
You obviously haven' heard of operation Chaos have you.
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Susanl Tue, May 13, 2008 8:53:02pm |
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Charles Tue, May 13, 2008 8:53:24pm |
I'm beginning to think 'JustMyView' is getting tired of having an LGF account.
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Sarge1984 Tue, May 13, 2008 8:54:07pm |
re: #256 gop_patriot
I remember when that urban legend came out. The Navy Recruiter next door brought it over to us printed out from the computer, laughing his butt off.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 13, 2008 8:54:45pm |
%u266A %u266A The thread is alive...with the sounds of shilling..... %u266A %u266A
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Desert Dog Tue, May 13, 2008 8:54:46pm |
I heard Barry has a brighter than average aura, has sweat that smells like flowers and the sun shines out of his bum too.....It's a long way to November Just My View
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Bob in Breckenridge Tue, May 13, 2008 8:54:54pm |
re: #251 itellu3times
Probably about 103% in some districts.
Wasn't it in one inner-city Philadelphia voting district more people voted than were registered in 2004?
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JustMyView Tue, May 13, 2008 8:55:14pm |
re: #194 buzzsawmonkey
Yep. I particularly enjoy the way she has the Democrats--in the party and the media both--loosening their bowels over fear of democracy.
No one is afraid of democracy. What's apparent is that, under the rules established by the DNC, she has lost in democratic primary elections and caucuses. The remaining contests can be held, but they cannot change the result.
The current situation is akin to a sports contest in which there are games remaining in the schedule after it's already been determined which teams will be in the playoff. The objection is not to democracy, but to whether it's worthwhile to play those games when they can have no effect except, potentially, to damage the winner.
As a former resident of a small state, I can see the appeal of having them continue, but I'm not sure that's a justification.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 13, 2008 8:55:18pm |
re: #246 freetoken
Are you sure about that? I could have sworn that in certain states that Bill did indeed poll over the 90% figure.
Link it. I'm not immune to facts. I always remember the Republican black vote being at least somewhere in the teens.
/it was up there, maybe in the 80-90% range, tops, but Obama is setting records for black voting cohesion, something's different this time, wonder what it is
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jainphx Tue, May 13, 2008 8:56:03pm |
There is much more on Obama to come, you can make book on it.
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brainwizard73 Tue, May 13, 2008 8:56:28pm |
re: #254 JustMyView
So among all the stats are we going to get some juicy ones? Axelrod's hat size? The number of lipstick shades Michelle keeps in her purse? And of course...boxers or briefs.
Wait...I must have heard an Obama commercial...I am...getting the urge...to donate...online...must warn others...
[brainwizard73 faints]
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The Other Les Tue, May 13, 2008 8:56:29pm |
re: #179 rawmuse
I'm an egghead and I am not for Obama. What the heck is wrong with me?
You're living in the real world.
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NGrove Tue, May 13, 2008 8:56:38pm |
re: #212 Sarge1984
You have too much free time. Almost spit my beer out. Good thing I have some self control.
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stevieray Tue, May 13, 2008 8:57:54pm |
I don't think Hillary can get the backing to run again in '12... its now or never. The Clintons won't have the pull to keep one of their own in the party chairmanship, and Obama will see to it that the Clintonista purge is deep and thorough. They will be outsiders in their own party.
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Biff Tue, May 13, 2008 8:58:09pm |
re: #254 JustMyView
More 1.5 million people have contributed several hundred million dollars to his campaign.
How many Saudi and Emirites dollars have been funnelled into the Obama campaign? Investigative journalism my A*s.
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jaunte Tue, May 13, 2008 8:58:12pm |
re: #282 MandyManners
"Other states vote; New York invests.”
--Julius Genachowski, law-school friend of Obama
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Steffan Tue, May 13, 2008 8:59:09pm |
re: #51 lawhawk
Heck, it could turn the other way, as Obama currently leads in popular vote, but Hillary gets the supers to go to her side based on the results in WV and the remaining states. Either way, you've got the party getting cleaved in two because they are seriously flawed candidates and the process by which the primaries operates created the conditions. Watch the DNC to "fix" the problem with adjustments to how they conduct primaries going forward.
The party hierarchy created this mess. It's only justice that their chickens are flocking home big time.
If they'd used the rules that the Republican Party has in place, Hillary would be the candidate, with no question about it. They have only themselves to blame.
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rawmuse Tue, May 13, 2008 8:59:38pm |
The reason why polls that ask if "America is on the wrong track" are misleading, are because they do not define what the "right track" is.
The government to me, is on the "wrong track" because it is too far Left. To another person the government is on the "wrong track" because it is too far Right. The poll question is guaranteed to result in a large number of dissatisfied responses that. It is an old ruse.
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Steffan Tue, May 13, 2008 9:00:11pm |
re: #271 laZardo
Plain buttered, but I've got cheese seasoning if you want it.
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jainphx Tue, May 13, 2008 9:00:42pm |
To me the fact that McCain lost to Huckabee is more interesting.
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Desert Dog Tue, May 13, 2008 9:01:20pm |
re: #288 stevieray
I don't think Hillary can get the backing to run again in '12... its now or never. The Clintons won't have the pull to keep one of their own in the party chairmanship, and Obama will see to it that the Clintonista purge is deep and thorough. They will be outsiders in their own party.
Yes, but after Iran walks all over Prez. Obama, the economy tanks even more and a strange "deja vu-ish" malaise takes hold in the psyche of the average American, Hillary will be there...like a phoenix turd that just will not flush down to take over the reins of the destroyed Democratic party....
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OldLineTexan Tue, May 13, 2008 9:01:25pm |
re: #245 hermeneutics
So did your son get an "A" on his assignment, or the "Jayson Blair" prize? ;)
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Bob in Breckenridge Tue, May 13, 2008 9:02:04pm |
re: #279 JustMyView
No one is afraid of democracy. What's apparent is that, under the rules established by the DNC, she has lost in democratic primary elections and caucuses. The remaining contests can be held, but they cannot change the result.
The current situation is akin to a sports contest in which there are games remaining in the schedule after it's already been determined which teams will be in the playoff. The objection is not to democracy, but to whether it's worthwhile to play those games when they can have no effect except, potentially, to damage the winner.
As a former resident of a small state, I can see the appeal of having them continue, but I'm not sure that's a justification.
Seriously, you cannot be that stupid. Until she is ELIMINATED she has every right to stay in it.
Newsflash, JMV- Obama has NOT clinched it, to use your sports analogy. Get a clue.
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Racer X Tue, May 13, 2008 9:02:05pm |
re: #294 buzzsawmonkey
--and frankly wish that some of the Republican candidates had had the buckram to stick it through the primaries instead of dropping out early.
Excellent point.
We all know who was skewing the polls FOR McCain early on.
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Shug Tue, May 13, 2008 9:02:11pm |
re: #289 Biff
How many Saudi and Emirites dollars have been funnelled into the Obama campaign? Investigative journalism my A*s.
I don't know but Obama is planning on redecorating the Lincoln Prince bin talal alwaleed bedroom as soon as he's sworn in
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freetoken Tue, May 13, 2008 9:02:41pm |
re: #278 Bob in Breckenridge
Good question about city turnouts....
Here is an article with a table summarizing 5 previous elections (wrt Black vote).
I could swear, though, that in one of Bill's victories he carried an amazingly high % of black votes in certain locations - vaguely I remember that being a news/pundit item.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 13, 2008 9:03:04pm |
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really grumpy big dog Johnson Tue, May 13, 2008 9:03:04pm |
Compared to Michelle, Obama looks like a wimp. I hope he's not one of those battered, er somethings. Waffles, perhaps?
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jetprop Tue, May 13, 2008 9:03:52pm |
re: #279 JustMyView
No one is afraid of democracy. What's apparent is that, under the rules established by the DNC, she has lost in democratic primary elections and caucuses. The remaining contests can be held, but they cannot change the result.
The current situation is akin to a sports contest in which there are games remaining in the schedule after it's already been determined which teams will be in the playoff. The objection is not to democracy, but to whether it's worthwhile to play those games when they can have no effect except, potentially, to damage the winner.
As a former resident of a small state, I can see the appeal of having them continue, but I'm not sure that's a justification.
All this from the party of "every vote must count". This has to be one of the biggest cases of voter disenfranchisement in history and dems are doing it to themselves.
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Midnightrain Tue, May 13, 2008 9:04:21pm |
BHO is the Derek Redmond of politics. He looked beautiful heading into turn 3.
Forget recreating '68. This is starting to look like the 1992 Olympics. And Olbermann is playing the role of Derek Redmond's Dad.
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brainwizard73 Tue, May 13, 2008 9:05:20pm |
re: #279 JustMyView
No one is afraid of democracy. What's apparent is that, under the rules established by the DNC, she has lost in democratic primary elections and caucuses. The remaining contests can be held, but they cannot change the result.
The current situation is akin to a sports contest in which there are games remaining in the schedule after it's already been determined which teams will be in the playoff. The objection is not to democracy, but to whether it's worthwhile to play those games when they can have no effect except, potentially, to damage the winner.
As a former resident of a small state, I can see the appeal of having them continue, but I'm not sure that's a justification.
Dude your party has freakin' superdelegates to make sure that the poor dumb slobs in flyover land don't hit you with another McGovern. That tells you all you really need to know.
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NGrove Tue, May 13, 2008 9:05:27pm |
re: #307 buzzsawmonkey
Don't forget... vote early, vote often.
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Desert Dog Tue, May 13, 2008 9:05:49pm |
re: #306 Midnightrain
BHO is the Derek Redmond of politics. He looked beautiful heading into turn 3.
Forget recreating '68. This is starting to look like the 1992 Olympics. And Olbermann is playing the role of Derek Redmond's Dad.
Funny, I would see Olbermann more as the jackass braying off nonsense back in the stables, amongst the other piles of horse crap...
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JustMyView Tue, May 13, 2008 9:05:57pm |
re: #289 Biff
How many Saudi and Emirites dollars have been funnelled into the Obama campaign? Investigative journalism my A*s.
I'm not an expert in this area, but, as I understand it, all campaign contributions over $200 must be reported, so you could investigate that issue.
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The Other Les Tue, May 13, 2008 9:05:58pm |
re: #299 Bob in Breckenridge
Seriously, you cannot be that stupid. Until she is ELIMINATED she has every right to stay in it.
The only way Hillary is going to be eliminated is with a stake through the heart.
(And nuke the site from orbit just to be sure.)
/sarcasm
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hermeneutics Tue, May 13, 2008 9:06:12pm |
re: #298 OldLineTexan
Yes, he got an "A" for the assignment and the course. Thanks for asking.
We're up in Flagstaff now getting our bodies used to high altitude -- about 11k feet. Most of his races will be a bit lower than that.
Its so cold, OLT! Yesterday, about eight inches fell on top of my pop-up.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 13, 2008 9:06:53pm |
re: #296 jainphx
To me the fact that McCain lost to Huckabee is more interesting.
4% of Bonkeys voted for Edwards.
/protest vote, don't mean nothing
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jetprop Tue, May 13, 2008 9:06:55pm |
re: #307 buzzsawmonkey
The real Democratic slogan is, "each vote must count--as many times as necessary."
^ LOL..or "vote twice just to be sure"
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Sharmuta Tue, May 13, 2008 9:07:26pm |
People calling for hillary to drop out are sexist!
/Isn't identity politics fun?
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jainphx Tue, May 13, 2008 9:07:35pm |
re: #308 brainwizard73
Actually the supers were invented to keep Teddy Kennedy from winning nomination. At least that 's what I remember.
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hermeneutics Tue, May 13, 2008 9:07:38pm |
re: #317 goddessoftheclassroom
Good night, dearest, most admirable Goddess.
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really grumpy big dog Johnson Tue, May 13, 2008 9:08:31pm |
I didn't notice it before, but there must be dozens of Secret Service agents in WV tonight on Hillary's detail.
And to think that John McCain didn't even request that protection until some idiot publicized that he did not have any.
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wee fury Tue, May 13, 2008 9:08:45pm |
re: #316 jetprop
^ LOL..or "vote twice just to be sure"
And, the 'dead' have their voting rights too! (per the DNC)
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x-ray Tue, May 13, 2008 9:09:18pm |
What is all this talk of who wins the Dem primaries. The Republicans only put up McCain as the nominee as proof of the power of Deibold.
BWAHAHAHHAHHAH
/sarc
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Bob in Breckenridge Tue, May 13, 2008 9:09:31pm |
re: #312 The Other Les
The only way Hillary is going to be eliminated is with a stake through the heart.
(And nuke the site from orbit just to be sure.)
/sarcasm
Nah, I mean when the Obamessiah has the 2025 delegates needed to clinch the nomination, then Hillary should get out. But if he cannot get to that number, she should keep fighting.
/I can't believe I'm-
A. Defending Hillary
and
B. Giving her advice.
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Desert Dog Tue, May 13, 2008 9:09:45pm |
Let's be fair and let the "people" decide....''
You know, the smart and wise people we pick, not the common slob on the street...we cannot possibly trust our nomination to the great unwashed masses....
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brainwizard73 Tue, May 13, 2008 9:10:15pm |
re: #314 buzzsawmonkey
Of course, when the superdelegates drink the McGovern Kool-Aid, as seems to be happening now, all bets are off.
Well...obviously.
Funny thing is that they don't see it that way. These geniuses think that Obama is going to appeal to independants. Who? On what basis?
This is like Bill Clinton versus Pat Buchanan or something. One guy is going to have his side all sown up and grab most everyone in the middle and the other guy is going to grab his own nut-base and not much else.
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jainphx Tue, May 13, 2008 9:10:48pm |
re: #315 Killian Bundy
Your probably right, but it's gratifying to me to see McShamnesty get a warning.
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brainwizard73 Tue, May 13, 2008 9:11:16pm |
re: #319 jainphx
Actually the supers were invented to keep Teddy Kennedy from winning nomination. At least that 's what I remember.
I thought it was before that...then again, I was born during the Ford Administration...
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Desert Dog Tue, May 13, 2008 9:11:38pm |
re: #321 really grumpy big dog Johnson
I didn't notice it before, but there must be dozens of Secret Service agents in WV tonight on Hillary's detail.
And to think that John McCain didn't even request that protection until some idiot publicized that he did not have any.
Yes, but Hillary can shoot laser beams out of her eyes....she does not need as much protection....
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JustMyView Tue, May 13, 2008 9:12:20pm |
re: #294 buzzsawmonkey
I applaud Hillary for making the late primaries count--and frankly wish that some of the Republican candidates had had the buckram to stick it through the primaries instead of dropping out early.
I'm sure that if they'd gained enough support in the early primaries, they'd have stuck around. Mitt Romney spent, I believe, upwards of $20M of his own money trying to gain the nomination. It's not as if no one tried. This year, under the existing rules, the Republican candidate was chosen early. In 2004, the same was true for Dems (i.e., Kerry was chosen early), and I believe the rules were the same as they are now. What's happened this year is that the Dems have had two very evenly matched candidates.
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brainwizard73 Tue, May 13, 2008 9:12:58pm |
re: #330 buzzsawmonkey
Let's leave the picture of Obama not saluting the flag out of this.
You are mistaken, I distinctly saw a one finger salute.
Of course that could have been Michelle.
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The Other Les Tue, May 13, 2008 9:13:17pm |
re: #324 Bob in Breckenridge
Nah, I mean when the Obamessiah has the 2025 delegates needed to clinch the nomination, then Hillary should get out. But if he cannot get to that number, she should keep fighting.
/I can't believe I'm-
A. Defending Hillary
and
B. Giving her advice.
That's okay. I said something in defense of B.O. in the last 24 hours.
I'm certain that Hillary will continue to run for this office until she wins or she dies.
(Cue the Harold Stassen joke.)
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Shug Tue, May 13, 2008 9:13:19pm |
re: #322 wee fury
And, the 'dead' have their voting rights too! (per the DNC)
I can just see the bumper sticker on the coffin
I'm dead and I vote
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wolfie Tue, May 13, 2008 9:13:29pm |
I was up in WVA yesterday and this morning. Driving the back roads I saw hundreds of little campaign signs.... for local candidates. I saw exactly 2 Hillary ones and 1 Obama one, but I was looking for them very carefully. A casual observer could never have guessed there was a presidential primary going on.
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OldLineTexan Tue, May 13, 2008 9:13:49pm |
re: #313 hermeneutics
Yes, he got an "A" for the assignment and the course. Thanks for asking.
We're up in Flagstaff now getting our bodies used to high altitude -- about 11k feet. Most of his races will be a bit lower than that.
Its so cold, OLT! Yesterday, about eight inches fell on top of my pop-up.
Gore, you magnificent bastard! I read your book!
/
Stay healthy! I used to love backpacking and camping (esp. the Gila), but never in snow. I am not from snow country.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 13, 2008 9:13:53pm |
re: #328 jainphx
Your probably right, but it's gratifying to me to see McShamnesty get a warning.
/this is going to be hard enough, but if he picks Huckabee as VP, it's going to get a whole lot harder
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Filala Tue, May 13, 2008 9:14:17pm |
re: #72 Reluctant Democrat
Expect to see it in the morning paper.
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JustMyView Tue, May 13, 2008 9:14:44pm |
re: #299 Bob in Breckenridge
Seriously, you cannot be that stupid. Until she is ELIMINATED she has every right to stay in it.
Newsflash, JMV- Obama has NOT clinched it, to use your sports analogy. Get a clue.
I didn't say she doesn't have a right to stay in. She absolutely does. In fact, Joe Biden has a right to compete next week in Kentucky too. The question is not whether she has a right to stay in, but whether staying in is a good idea. I don't think we know the answer to that question, but it's clear there are disadvantages.
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gop_patriot Tue, May 13, 2008 9:15:18pm |
re: #275 Sarge1984
Well, it just made my night, that guy was laughing til he could hardly read the story. =)
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hermeneutics Tue, May 13, 2008 9:15:23pm |
re: #319 jainphx
I just finished reading, "Change and Continuity in the 1980 Election," which gives some detail -- not much -- as to the changes in the D party in the early 1970s. Interestingly, Carter was on the committee that determined the changes. His, then, was inside knowledge.
Interesting about Kennedy, though. Most of the changes occurred in 1973 including the different delegate classes. The Ds decided to have a set percentage of minorities, women, etc. So typical! Anyway, the supers came in afterward, in the 1980 and 1984 elections. I suppose Kennedy may have precipitated it ... but doubt he was the real cause.
Just my $0.02
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wee fury Tue, May 13, 2008 9:15:35pm |
re: #326 buzzsawmonkey
That's identity politics for you. The respiration-challenged community deserves representation too.
You are politically correct. I hang my head in shame for using the insensitive word 'dead'. I apologize to all those I have offended.
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Biff Tue, May 13, 2008 9:15:55pm |
re: #311 JustMyView
There isn't even a sitting national election board to check into these things dude. Besides, have you seen the thousands of arabs on Obama's donor lists. All they have to say is, yeah that really was my money.
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brainwizard73 Tue, May 13, 2008 9:17:02pm |
re: #334 The Other Les
That's okay. I said something in defense of B.O. in the last 24 hours.
I'm certain that Hillary will continue to run for this office until she wins or she dies.
(Cue the Harold Stassen joke.)
[Laugh track]
Another piece of advice...HRC should go to the Paul Wellstone playbook...what do I mean? Here you go:
Wellstone did a bit where he wanted his GOP (called IR in those days in Minnesota) to debate him, but the GOPer wouldn't (he was the front runner). Wellstone did a commercial that was ball bouncingly funny where he went to incumbant GOPer's office, his campaign office, and several other places "Looking for Rudy".
If HRC did the same thing, she would crush. Damn, it would be good politics!
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hermeneutics Tue, May 13, 2008 9:17:47pm |
re: #337 OldLineTexan
I'm going to send you some pics ... just so beautiful. Look in your mail.
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jainphx Tue, May 13, 2008 9:18:39pm |
re: #345 hermeneutics
My memory has failed me before, so it could be again, but something tells me it was Kennedy, but I bow to your research.
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brainwizard73 Tue, May 13, 2008 9:19:34pm |
re: #352 Racer X
Obama voter?
Former Obama customer?
Ohhhhhhh, did you see what he wrote?
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Sarge1984 Tue, May 13, 2008 9:20:38pm |
re: #344 gop_patriot
It's very out of character for him. Rayford is the consummate professional, even if he is on John Boy and Billy, and a self-proclaimed curmudgeon.
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hermeneutics Tue, May 13, 2008 9:21:52pm |
re: #353 jainphx
NEVER defer to anyone's research, particularly mine!
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Last Mohican Tue, May 13, 2008 9:22:42pm |
re: #274 Charles
I'm beginning to think 'JustMyView' is getting tired of having an LGF account.
I dunno, it looks like to me like he/she registered way back in 2005, yet all of his/her comments that I've seen have been exclusively dedicated to campaigning for Obama.
I feel like maybe the account should be left to stand, in recognition of the Obama campaign's extraordinary ability to plan ahead.
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OldLineTexan Tue, May 13, 2008 9:22:51pm |
re: #351 hermeneutics
I'm going to send you some pics ... just so beautiful. Look in your mail.
I am looking forward to seeing them. Off to bed here.
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gop_patriot Tue, May 13, 2008 9:22:51pm |
re: #356 Sarge1984
That's why it sounded so funny, it was like an old school, AM radio news guy reading the thing! ROFL!
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Sharmuta Tue, May 13, 2008 9:22:52pm |
re: #342 JustMyView
The question is not whether she has a right to stay in, but whether staying in is a good idea. I don't think we know the answer to that question, but it's clear there are disadvantages.
There are only disadvantages to obama backers. What are you so afraid of?
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NGrove Tue, May 13, 2008 9:22:55pm |
re: #334 The Other Les
That's okay. I said something in defense of B.O. in the last 24 hours.
I'm certain that Hillary will continue to run for this office until she wins or she dies.
(Cue the Harold Stassen joke.)
Or someone dies... Time to call it quits
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JustMyView Tue, May 13, 2008 9:23:04pm |
re: #341 buzzsawmonkey
The point of a lengthy string of primaries seems to have escaped you. It is that one can, if one stays in, come from behind to win the nomination. A couple of caucus states and one or two small-state primaries, most of which permitted crossover voting (an utter idiocy) is not a bellwether of anything
It's a bellwether of something! It certainly cannot be said that McCain won because he had more money than the other candidates. And it was Florida that put him over the top---hardly a small state.
The problem with the "come from behind in a long season" theory is that candidates who aren't winning find it difficult to garner the resources to compete. The small-state primaries/caucuses that begin the season are, in fact, designed to allow candidates who are not already rich and well-known to compete.
I wouldn't defend the Dem system. I think some combination of the small-state beginning followed by rotating regional primaries would probably be best--with no superdelegates.
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jainphx Tue, May 13, 2008 9:24:13pm |
re: #357 hermeneutics
Yeah I thought it was around the time of Joan Kapechny. Of coarse those days are a blur for me anyway, lived a hard life back then.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 13, 2008 9:24:32pm |
re: #342 JustMyView
Palestinians in Gaza Are Phonebanking for Barack Obama
Well looky here. Obama's right direction for America . . . and Israel?
/see you in November
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Abu Maven Tue, May 13, 2008 9:25:11pm |
re: #72 Reluctant Democrat
NY Times is already on that:
By PATRICK HEALY
Published: May 14, 2008
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton won a lopsided victory on Tuesday over Senator Barack Obama in the West Virginia primary, where racial considerations emerged as an unusually salient factor.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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gop_patriot Tue, May 13, 2008 9:25:28pm |
re: #362 Sharmuta
There are only disadvantages to obama backers. What are you so afraid of?
Ha! Exactly, disadvantageous to whom? Certainly not to McCain, imho.
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JustMyView Tue, May 13, 2008 9:25:55pm |
re: #348 Biff
There isn't even a sitting national election board to check into these things dude. Besides, have you seen the thousands of arabs on Obama's donor lists. All they have to say is, yeah that really was my money.
I'll leave it up to you to investigate this issue. It's not high on my list.
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Racer X Tue, May 13, 2008 9:27:03pm |
Immigration raid in Iowa largest ever in US
Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials say 390 people have been arrested on immigration charges after Monday's raid at Agriprocessors Inc. in Postville. The facility is the world's largest kosher meatpacking plant.
Lets see, the fine to an employer is $10,000.00 per violation. More of this and we could put a dent in the budget deficit.
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Last Mohican Tue, May 13, 2008 9:27:45pm |
re: #367 Abu Maven
Obviously. Everyone who disagrees with Obama is a racist. Therefore, if Obama loses a state, it's because most people in that state are racists! Ta-dah.
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gop_patriot Tue, May 13, 2008 9:28:31pm |
re: #366 Killian Bundy
Palestinians in Gaza Are Phonebanking for Barack Obama
Well looky here. Obama's right direction for America . . . and Israel?
/see you in November
Oh you have got to be kidding me.
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hermeneutics Tue, May 13, 2008 9:29:01pm |
I believe the Iowa caucuses became first in the United States in the 1972 election. Thus, there isn't much historical precendent to the NH and IO "firstness." Other small states could claim the same. Why isn't RI first, for instance?
I find it interesting that the R and D have different rules including winner-take-all v. proportional. Evenly matched candidates are quickly differentiated in the R system. The Obama/Hillary contention could only occur within the D system.
re: #364 JustMyView
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solomonpanting Tue, May 13, 2008 9:29:35pm |
re: #366 Killian Bundy
After studying Obama's electoralcampaigncommunist manifesto, I thought, 'this is a man that is capable of change inside America.'
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Racer X Tue, May 13, 2008 9:29:46pm |
Vatican: It's OK to believe in aliens
VATICAN CITY (AP) - The Vatican's chief astronomer says that believing in aliens does not contradict faith in God.
The Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, the Jesuit director of the Vatican Observatory, says that the vastness of the universe means it is possible there could be other forms of life outside Earth, even intelligent ones.
No anal probes though, OK?
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pat Tue, May 13, 2008 9:30:24pm |
re: #369 JustMyView
re: #348 Biff
There isn't even a sitting national election board to check into these things dude. Besides, have you seen the thousands of arabs on Obama's donor lists. All they have to say is, yeah that really was my money.
I'll leave it up to you to investigate this issue. It's not high on my list.
And yet it is true. With a million dollars coming in from 'Americans" living in Yemen. All 5. Not saying that Obama is a Meccanian Candidate, am saying that Muslims think so.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 13, 2008 9:30:28pm |
Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia. Do these States ring a bell?
/not an Obama primary win in the bunch, oops
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JustMyView Tue, May 13, 2008 9:30:41pm |
re: #362 Sharmuta
There are only disadvantages to obama backers. What are you so afraid of?
As I said, having been a small-state resident for much of my life, I see the appeal of continuing. That's from the perspective of the voters.
From the perspective of the candidate, there are real disadvantages: exhaustion, cost, additional scars from blows from an opponent who cannot win, inability to focus on the general election opponent.
it's not a matter of fear; it's a practical concern.
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sonoffar Tue, May 13, 2008 9:31:38pm |
If Obama is a friend to Israel, is that sort of like,"This is for your own good", or, "This is going to hurt me more than it's going to hurt you"?
If Hillary can hang in there long enough, perhaps a bit more light will be directed at Obamas relationships with Edward Said, Rashid Khalidi, and of course the good Rev. Jeremiah Wright. My Pop always said, "Follow the money trail", and these guys seem to have access to plenty of it.
I would like to see all those proverbial chickens come home to roost before we find ourselves cringing at the sight of President Obama, .
[Link: tinyurl.com...]
[Link: tinyurl.com...]
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Biff Tue, May 13, 2008 9:31:38pm |
re: #369 JustMyView
I'll leave it up to you to investigate this issue. It's not high on my list.
What a suprise.
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JustMyView Tue, May 13, 2008 9:33:31pm |
re: #376 pat
And yet it is true. With a million dollars coming in from 'Americans" living in Yemen. All 5. Not saying that Obama is a Meccanian Candidate, am saying that Muslims think so.
You have a link for that?
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Racer X Tue, May 13, 2008 9:34:08pm |
OK might as well stir the pot some more:
Belief in God 'childish,' Jews not chosen people: Einstein letter
Albert Einstein described belief in God as "childish superstition" and said Jews were not the chosen people, in a letter to be sold in London this week, an auctioneer said Tuesday.
The father of relativity, whose previously known views on religion have been more ambivalent and fuelled much discussion, made the comments in response to a philosopher in 1954.
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NGrove Tue, May 13, 2008 9:34:53pm |
re: #379 Sarge1984
Armageddon!
And on that note... Armageddon outa here. Take care of yourselves in whatever manner you see fit. Hoorah Vacation!
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realwest Tue, May 13, 2008 9:35:58pm |
re: #175 Killian Bundy
Hey Killian - Obama has a shot at winning in North Carolina, if for no other reason than we've got a Dem govenor and a larger % of voters here are Black Americans.
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indythinker Tue, May 13, 2008 9:36:14pm |
Who knew that West Virginia was that bitter? re: #214 USBeast
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bosforus Tue, May 13, 2008 9:37:19pm |
Listening to Gould play Beethoven while reading comments makes everything so much more dramatic.
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Susanl Tue, May 13, 2008 9:37:20pm |
All I can say is Hilary scares me less than Obama. At least with Hilary, we know what wer are getting. With Obama, who knows? Is he a communist, a black separatist, a revolutionary, a maoist, what?
Notice, no where did I say regular American. At least Hilary, elite dem that she is, has at least some idea how regular people live. Obama has NEVER lived like a regular joe, and never will.
The thing that bugs me the most about him? The way he stands when the National Anthem is being played.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 13, 2008 9:37:25pm |
re: #382 JustMyView
You have a link for that?
Maybe readings not your strong suit.
/watch this, wonder who paid for all the equipment, hmm?
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neocon hippie Tue, May 13, 2008 9:37:37pm |
If the shoe were on the other foot, i.e., it was Obama behind by 150 delegates, there would be no demand for him to drop out. The liberal establishment is pushing for Obama because of the disastrous effect that alienating African-Americans from the Dems would have. Even if it means Obama getting trounced on 11/4, it would be worth it to ensure A-A loyalty continues.
There's no compelling reason for Hillary to quit until/unless Obama gets the 2025 delegates (or whatever the total would be in MI and FL are counted).
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BlueCanuck Tue, May 13, 2008 9:38:03pm |
Good morning all, night shift checking in. I see that the campaign of hope and change *drink* just hit a speed bump on the way to Denver Colorado.
/popcorn any one?
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pat Tue, May 13, 2008 9:40:34pm |
re: #382 JustMyView
You have a link for that?
No. You can research it yourself. LOL. (i had to say that, lol) But it is true. Check it out. Feds keep that stats on records. But not the donors because it is well below the threshold. It has actually been reported fairly extensively.
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JustMyView Tue, May 13, 2008 9:40:35pm |
re: #390 Killian Bundy
Maybe readings not your strong suit.
/watch this, wonder who paid for all the equipment, hmm?
A few computers and some phones is quite different from the million dollars in Yemeni contributions that pat alleged. I don't think they have much to do w/ each other.
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Racer X Tue, May 13, 2008 9:40:48pm |
Paul McCartney 'horrified' as his eco car is flown 7,000 miles from Japan
The Lexus LS600H, which costs £84,000, was a gift from Lexus to the 65-year-old former Beatle, who helped promote the hybrid vehicle.But instead of arriving by boat as expected, the car was flown to Britain on a Korean Air flight, creating a carbon footprint almost 100 times bigger than if it had come by sea.
Carbon offsetting firm CO2balance.com said the plane journey would have caused a carbon footprint of 38,050kg, compared to 397kg for a three-week boat journey.
I'll have a Prius with a turbocharger on it please.
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Charles Tue, May 13, 2008 9:41:02pm |
re: #366 Killian Bundy
Palestinians in Gaza Are Phonebanking for Barack Obama
Well looky here. Obama's right direction for America . . . and Israel?
/see you in November
I had this video clip at LGF on April 1:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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nightwatch Tue, May 13, 2008 9:41:07pm |
To all you "O" fans or should I say cultist's, (and by O I don't mean that female TV self appointed whatever)
Go ahead make him CIC (as if). Put his flame throwing spouse in the role of 1st flame throwing spouse, and Israel will Nuke Iran the day before his swearing in. The pool squares are all marked and set to play, any of you trolls got the sand to put money down on the out-come? But hey, HAmutts dig him, right? OH! lets see, France went to the right, England went to the right, because........THEY GET IT!
Stay tuned, will it be a Barrack day in America? Only Denver will tell.
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Racer X Tue, May 13, 2008 9:41:50pm |
re: #388 bosforus
I am listening to The Lizard King
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Sarge1984 Tue, May 13, 2008 9:42:15pm |
re: #385 NGrove
Have a great time! Don't forget the sunscreen!
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 13, 2008 9:42:20pm |
re: #397 Charles
I had this video clip at LGF on April 1:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
/I knew I saw it somewhere
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JustMyView Tue, May 13, 2008 9:42:59pm |
re: #393 buzzsawmonkey
Sounds like you have some issues to take up w/ the RNC!
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average_guy Tue, May 13, 2008 9:43:00pm |
re: #268 really grumpy big dog Johnson
re: #268 really grumpy big dog Johnson
I want to nominate JMV for Moby Cum Laude.
Nomination seconded
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BlueCanuck Tue, May 13, 2008 9:43:31pm |
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RedWhiteAndJew Tue, May 13, 2008 9:44:03pm |
If Obama is a friend to Israel, is that sort of like,"This is for your own good", or, "This is going to hurt me more than it's going to hurt you"?
With friends like these, who needs katsovim.
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brainwizard73 Tue, May 13, 2008 9:44:07pm |
re: #391 neocon hippie
If the shoe were on the other foot, i.e., it was Obama behind by 150 delegates, there would be no demand for him to drop out. The liberal establishment is pushing for Obama because of the disastrous effect that alienating African-Americans from the Dems would have. Even if it means Obama getting trounced on 11/4, it would be worth it to ensure A-A loyalty continues.
There's no compelling reason for Hillary to quit until/unless Obama gets the 2025 delegates (or whatever the total would be in MI and FL are counted).
If Obama were behind by 150 delegates, his bobos would try to get extra delegates seated as a racial preference. You know, affirmative action at its best. Thank you U of Michigan!
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realwest Tue, May 13, 2008 9:44:25pm |
re: #377 Killian Bundy
And you can add New York, New Jersey, and California as well (although how the hell Hillary won the popular vote by a decent margin in Texas and didn't get the majority of delegates remains a mystery to me!).
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 13, 2008 9:44:40pm |
re: #395 JustMyView
A few computers and some phones is quite different from the million dollars in Yemeni contributions that pat alleged. I don't think they have much to do w/ each other.
You are a frog in a saucepan with one inch of water.
/you feel nothing
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brainwizard73 Tue, May 13, 2008 9:45:27pm |
re: #404 average_guy
re: #268 really grumpy big dog Johnson
Nomination seconded
All in Favor?
AYE!
Damn it, Kucinich called for a roll call...
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pat Tue, May 13, 2008 9:46:07pm |
You know, I am really not in favor of the attack dog method of dealing with skeptics. When I am corrected here, because of faulty memory, a bad education, or misunderstanding, I let it go. I do not need the Reaganite et al. BS.
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Abu Maven Tue, May 13, 2008 9:47:28pm |
Clinton is ahead of Obama in the popular vote if FL and MI are counted:
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]
Not sure how much WV was factored in, but I imagine her lead will expand once those results are fully accounted for.
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average_guy Tue, May 13, 2008 9:47:39pm |
re: #365 jainphx
Yeah I thought it was around the time of Joan Kapechny. Of coarse those days are a blur for me anyway, lived a hard life back then.
Mary Jo Kopeckne
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 13, 2008 9:47:45pm |
re: #408 realwest
And you can add New York, New Jersey, and California as well (although how the hell Hillary won the popular vote by a decent margin in Texas and didn't get the majority of delegates remains a mystery to me!).
But hey, Obama won Texas, that's a [expletive deleted]load of electoral votes!
/*snicker*
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pat Tue, May 13, 2008 9:47:45pm |
re: #408 realwest
Carl Rove did an analysis tonite. If not for the caucus States, Hillary might be up by 40. But then it got complicated.
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Racer X Tue, May 13, 2008 9:48:06pm |
Ahmadinejad: Israel to be 'swept away soon'
Tehran - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday that Israel would "be soon swept away" from the Palestinian Territories by the Palestinians. It is the second time within less than three years that the Iranian president predicted the eradication of the Jewish state.
The first time was in 2005 when Ahmadinejad hoped that Israel would be eradicated from the Middle East map.
"This terrorist and criminal state is backed by foreign powers, but this regime would soon be swept away by the Palestinians," Ahmadinejad said in a press conference in Tehran.Referring to worldwide celebrations for the 60th anniversary of Israel's foundation, he said that "it would be futile to hold a birthday ceremony for something which is already dead."
"As far as the regional countries are concerned, this regime does not exist," Ahmadinejad added.
This guy sounds more and more like the Iraqi spokesman at the start of the war - "there are no Americans in Baghdad" - as bombs go off right behind him.
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bosforus Tue, May 13, 2008 9:48:20pm |
re: #400 Racer X
Not could make me a little more pessimistic than I care to be during an Obama thread. Perhaps an ID/evolution thread where I feel less impending doom from the subject of the conversation.
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jaunte Tue, May 13, 2008 9:50:17pm |
Secret Money Floods Campaigns
Big Count of Small Gifts Is Opaque to the Public...According to an analysis being released today by a Washington think tank, the Campaign Finance Institute, Senator Obama of Illinois led the pack with such small and secret donations, pulling in about $31 million during 2007.
...
...one area of concern with the flood of donations, particularly those made online, is that foreigners could be weighing in illegally in an American election. Mr. Obama's Web site allows donors to choose an address in one of 227 possible countries or territories, including Iran, Iraq, Zimbabwe, and Yemen.
[Link: www2.nysun.com...]
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pat Tue, May 13, 2008 9:50:28pm |
re: #417 Racer X
I saw that and read it EXACTLY the same way. He is scared. And nownit is not him, but the Palestinians who shall do it. Not Hezbollah, not Iran, not the Mullah Bomb, but the Sunni dogs that are next door. Is that curious or what?
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realwest Tue, May 13, 2008 9:52:35pm |
re: #398 nightwatchHmm, actually, I was thinking Bush would do Iran the day after the general election was over if McCain didn't win. Or maybe even if McCain did win.
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bosforus Tue, May 13, 2008 9:52:38pm |
re: #418 bosforus
NotThat could make me a little more pessimistic...
Note to self: typing while talking on the phone is difficult. Do not attempt.
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Natasha Tue, May 13, 2008 9:52:46pm |
Hillary is cackling...
As used as I am to the sounds, it still scares me. She could be my Commander In Chief.... Yikes!
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Karridine Tue, May 13, 2008 9:55:36pm |
re: #424 Natasha
Hillary is cackling...As used as I am to the sounds, it still scares me. She could be my Commander In Chief.... Yikes!
Hillary would be "Commandress in Chief", wearing black stockings, handkerCHIEFs, in stilletto black heels and wielding a bullwhip...
"I want this cabinet meeting to begin-
*whipCRACK!*
-NOW!
Okay, about the few survivors in Israel..."
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JustMyView Tue, May 13, 2008 9:55:37pm |
re: #416 pat
Carl Rove did an analysis tonite. If not for the caucus States, Hillary might be up by 40. But then it got complicated.
Right. Several commentators have noted that Clinton's major failing (or, at least, one of the most important ones) in this campaign was not planning to compete seriously in the caucus states. Apparently, she saw herself, as did many in the press and the party, as inevitable and planned to triumph in the big states.
But Obama et al. outplanned her through strong grassroots organizing in caucus states. A day or two ago, I read that the NH primary, with all the money spent there, yielded 22 delegates (or something close to that) for Clinton, whereas the Idaho caucus yielded 18 for Obama at a much lower cost.
But Obama has won some big-state primaries too--Illinois, Wisconsin, and Virginia, for instance, as well as others.
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DesertSage Tue, May 13, 2008 9:56:17pm |
So....I'm confused.
The Democrat Party only recognizes 48 states, but their nominee says that there are 57.
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BlueCanuck Tue, May 13, 2008 9:57:32pm |
re: #426 Karridine
Hillary would be "Commandress in Chief", wearing black stockings, handkerCHIEFs, in stilletto black heels and wielding a bullwhip...
"I want this cabinet meeting to begin-
*whipCRACK!*
-NOW!Okay, about the few survivors in Israel..."
I'm scared sarge
/we're all scared son
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Racer X Tue, May 13, 2008 9:57:51pm |
Help Wanted
Colorado University seeks Right-Wing professor.
BOULDER — How liberal is the University of Colorado at Boulder?
The campus hot-dog stand sells tofu wieners. A recent pro-marijuana rally drew a crowd of 10,000, roughly a third the size of the student body. And according to one professor’s analysis of voter registration, the 800-strong faculty includes just 32 Republicans.
Chancellor G.P. “Bud” Peterson surveys this landscape with unease. A college that champions diversity, he believes, must think beyond courses in gay literature, Chicano studies and feminist theory. “We should also talk about intellectual diversity,” he says. So over the next year, Mr. Peterson plans to raise $9 million to create an endowed chair for what is thought to be the nation’s first Professor of Conservative Thought and Policy.
Any Lizards looking for a job?
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jaunte Tue, May 13, 2008 9:58:19pm |
re: #425 wolfie
Here's the link; yur choice of country from a pul-down menu:
[Link: donate.barackobama.com...]
Of course you have to check a box saying that you're a US citizen, and it's all on the up and up.
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Buster Bunny Tue, May 13, 2008 9:58:38pm |
re: #167 Charles
The days when a high traffic link would cause our hamsters to go into hypoglycemic shock are over.
Ha I knew it .. got you now !
Diabetic Hamster Torturer Charles Johnson - who recently upgraded to the latest version of genetically modified Pink Hamsters.
The Schwartzenegger Hamster
ooh .. this will bring out the outrage of the animal liberationists, muslims who cant type or spell, Koslings, Democrats .. creationists (that hamster should have upgraded naturally) and ...
... another day at the blog .. eh?
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Nightwatch Tue, May 13, 2008 9:59:20pm |
re: #405 Blue Cannuck,
She is, as of late creeping me out. Did not see her at the last other "O" event. A new trend perhaps? Maybe a last minute throwing of a summer bonnet into the ring (pant-pant-pant?) joking, gag and on to more serious matters...
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Racer X Tue, May 13, 2008 10:00:29pm |
re: #431 jaunte
Here's the link; yur choice of country from a pul-down menu:
[Link: donate.barackobama.com...]
Of course you have to check a box saying that you're a US citizen, and it's all on the up and up.
"Gee K, he looked alright to me".
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slokat Tue, May 13, 2008 10:02:16pm |
pondering remarks from up the thread...
I keep thinking that BHO purposefully plays up similarities in speech patterns / mannerisms to Lincoln, JFK & MLK.
Messiah images...
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realwest Tue, May 13, 2008 10:02:56pm |
re: #419 jaunte Hello my friend! "Mr. Obama's Web site allows donors to choose an address in one of 227 possible countries or territories, including Iran, Iraq, Zimbabwe, and..." Huh? I mean how many Americans are there in Iran (at least officially)? Answer would have to be NONE, now that the hostages were released and we have no diplomatic relations with Iran - what, are they counting tourist American's donating from Iran?
And Iran's just the tip of the iceberg here.
There would appear to be a HELLUVA LOT OF MONEY coming into the American Election from Non-Americans, woudn't there?
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wolfie Tue, May 13, 2008 10:03:22pm |
re: #431 jaunte
Here's the link; yur choice of country from a pul-down menu:
[Link: donate.barackobama.com...]
Of course you have to check a box saying that you're a US citizen, and it's all on the up and up.
Thanks, jaunte! Wow! That is amazing to me. Iran. We don't even have diplomatic relations with Iran. You can't even pretend that there are enough Americans there to warrant that choice.
Oh wait. Yes you can!
Too bad no one will ask Obama about that in a debate.
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LeePro Tue, May 13, 2008 10:03:26pm |
re: #419 jaunte
The worst part of this story is the DATELINE!
February 12, 2008
And — surprise, surprise! — not one mainstream media outlet picked it up? ? ?
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pat Tue, May 13, 2008 10:03:56pm |
re: #427 JustMyView
Yeah, I think Illinois was a legit win. Virginia I do not know much about. It will not go to him in general. Wisconsin is a special case. It is the center of vote fraud in America. Between multi-registered college kids, illegal voters, corrupt black politicians, corrupt white leftists, it is a State that has been taken over. Do you know that in the last election it had 10,000 more Democratic voters than were registered to vote? 5 people were convicted of slicing tires. No one will hire Gonsalves as an attorney because he is a gutless fool.
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jaunte Tue, May 13, 2008 10:04:19pm |
re: #437 realwest
Seeing that "internet cafe" at work in Gaza made me wonder how many rooms like that are set up overseas and sending away, $200 at a time.
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realwest Tue, May 13, 2008 10:05:08pm |
re: #416 pat LOL! You did better than did I - I don't understand the caucus thing, AT ALL - especially where Hillary wins Texas by about 4% of the popular vote and loses in total delegates pledge! I will never understand that.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 13, 2008 10:05:59pm |
re: #427 JustMyView
But Obama has won some big-state primaries too--Illinois, Wisconsin, and Virginia, for instance, as well as others.
Well, spot him his home state.
/for the most part, Obama's red State primary wins have been in States he has no chance of winning in November, Clinton's been winning the key battlegrounds, but hey, it's your nominee
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pat Tue, May 13, 2008 10:06:01pm |
re: #438 wolfie
Interesting huh? And a $1,000,000 bucks from the Americans living in Yemen. All below $1,000.
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wolfie Tue, May 13, 2008 10:07:16pm |
re: #444 pat
Interesting huh? And a $1,000,000 bucks from the Americans living in Yemen. All below $1,000.
Amazing. And just as LeePro said, no one in the MSM has even noticed this.
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pat Tue, May 13, 2008 10:07:50pm |
re: #442 realwest
Caucus is vote by bullying. Absolutely bizarre. And people who have done it says it is almost scary.
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LeePro Tue, May 13, 2008 10:08:06pm |
re: #428 DesertSage
So....I'm confused.
The Democrat Party only recognizes 48 states, but their nominee says that there are 57.
58 — contiguous. He said he still had one to go, and that his team had declared Alaska and Hawaii "not financially feasible."
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realwest Tue, May 13, 2008 10:12:34pm |
re: #441 jaunte Yep, me too - although the "pull down menu" where all you have to do is check that you are an American is extremely meaningful.
Our election process -DEM AND REPUB is SO effin' screwed up, that the possibility exists that another nation could make the determining factor in who is elected POTUS and the Leader of the Fee World!
I would have to think that it would be legitimate to not allow donations from anyone overseas - even genuine American voters.
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Opilio Tue, May 13, 2008 10:14:05pm |
Spent part of the evening updating my Indiana-Ohio-Pennsylvania margin of victory county map to add West Virginia. Had a problem with the scale though -- it only went up to 30%. Clinton won Mingo county by margin of 80%. I had to add extend the color range a bit.
Anyway, if a picture's worth a thousand words, then a map's got to worth a few hundred:
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realwest Tue, May 13, 2008 10:18:44pm |
re: #450 Opilio What?! Cleveland came in EVEN between the two of them?
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neocon hippie Tue, May 13, 2008 10:23:56pm |
98% of the vote in and Hillary is leading by 41%!
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Psaturn Tue, May 13, 2008 10:25:05pm |
I am thinking maybe the West Virginians have more common sense than the rest of the states?
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Opilio Tue, May 13, 2008 10:28:05pm |
re: #451 realwest
What?! Cleveland came in EVEN between the two of them?
Actually RW, that is a pale green, the color just to the right of even. I know it's hard to discern some of the shades. Obama took Cuyahoga county by a margin 7% (53-46). Not too strong, considering...
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rabidfox Tue, May 13, 2008 10:28:59pm |
I'd love to see all the primaries on one day. I think it's ridiculous that the nominations are generally tied up after three or four primaries.
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Maximu§ Tue, May 13, 2008 10:32:20pm |
Barack Obama lost in every single category in West Virginia
God Bless those gun hugg'n, Bible read'n rednecks in W. Virginia.....I may just retire there.
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JustMyView Tue, May 13, 2008 10:34:32pm |
re: #436 slokat
pondering remarks from up the thread...
I keep thinking that BHO purposefully plays up similarities in speech patterns / mannerisms to Lincoln, JFK & MLK.
That would be a pretty odd set of speech patterns to put together: a nineteenth century Midwesterner, a Bostonian, and a Southern black preacher?!? Let me know when you figure out the connections to these influences and Obama's speaking style.
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pat Tue, May 13, 2008 10:37:55pm |
re: #449 realwest
Exactamundo. (using the latinate definition of mundo, corrupted,, i.e. world. no one ever gets my humor.)
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JustMyView Tue, May 13, 2008 10:38:59pm |
re: #443 Killian Bundy
Well, spot him his home state.
/for the most part, Obama's red State primary wins have been in States he has no chance of winning in November, Clinton's been winning the key battlegrounds, but hey, it's your nominee
It's true that he probably won't win some of those red states, but it's likely he will win most of the blue states that Hillary won. NY and CA will remain blue; they questions are the swing states: OH, PA, FL, MI. But the hope is that he will turn some purple states (VA, CO, IA) blue.
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JustMyView Tue, May 13, 2008 10:40:06pm |
re: #444 pat
Interesting huh? And a $1,000,000 bucks from the Americans living in Yemen. All below $1,000.
Pat, do you know this? I'm genuinely curious. Also note that contributions of $200 or more have to be reported.
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EE Tue, May 13, 2008 11:09:35pm |
OF COURSE the Obamites want Hillary to drop out before Obama has the required number of votes. Look at how he first got into politics -- sending his lawyers to study the nominating petitions of Alice Palmer and all the other candidates, to find "errors' that would disqualify every single one of Obama's rivals. (An error in one name on a page would invalidate the entire page. Find enough errors and the candidate is eliminated. That's how Obama got into office the first time: unopposed, by reason of knocking out every candidate off the ballot).
Look at what happened when Obama ran for the US Senate: miraculously sex scandals came to the public's attention concerning both his Dem and GOP rival so that their campaigns imploded. I don't know who brought these to the public's attention, but certainly the beneficiary was Obama.
Look at the efforts of the Obamites to disqualify John McCain by reason of McCain having been born in the Canal Zone (because his father was in the military service at the time of his birth). They are seeking to have Obama run on the Dem ticket without a Republican candidate opposing him.
So why should he not be seeking to eliminate his Dem rival in this race by trying to force her off the Convention ballot? It would be out of character if he did not seek to do this.
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JustMyView Tue, May 13, 2008 11:23:03pm |
re: #461 EE
Look at the efforts of the Obamites to disqualify John McCain by reason of McCain having been born in the Canal Zone (because his father was in the military service at the time of his birth). They are seeking to have Obama run on the Dem ticket without a Republican candidate opposing him.
Actually, Obama's campaign is not pushing this issue.
At present, it appears Democrats have little interest in pursuing the matter.Yesterday, Claire McCaskill, a senator from Missouri and a prominent backer of Democratic candidate Sen. Barack Obama, introduced legislation that would define a “natural-born citizen; as anyone born to any U.S. citizen while serving in the active or reserve components of the U.S. armed forces.
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LEGION Tue, May 13, 2008 11:46:15pm |
They beat him so bad- they said "whoseyadaddy"!
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Spar Kling Wed, May 14, 2008 12:49:23am |
None of the old media are saying that Obama is fading due to recent scandals and revelations, but rather how the vote is just "symbolic" in WV. What kind of voting rights do you have if your vote is just symbolic? But apparently this is not a problem from the all-too-flexible left.
Anyone care to start a rumor that Hillary is mad enough to accept the VP slot in the McCain ticket? Now THAT would be interesting!
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ackomanyuki Wed, May 14, 2008 3:41:33am |
re: #208 Killian Bundy
Why not? Hillary just drove home the obvious tonight. Racism works both ways, actually, in all directions.
/like it or not, it's going to be an issue in the general election, if anything, the recent 90+% black solidarity for Obama should be more than a little bit disturbing to the racial get along gang
Yes indeed. As black Americans as victims cannot be racists, therefore; there must be another reason for them to vote so preponderantly for Obama. The only logical conclusion I can come to is, they all must be communists, because I know that they all have taken time to research his background and give due consideration to his positions. And that I find truly frightening.
//
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DoubleU Wed, May 14, 2008 4:45:23am |
re: #274 Charles
I'm beginning to think 'JustMyView' is getting tired of having an LGF account.
Actually JustMyView sounds exactly like a Ron Paul supporter. All the Ron Paul supporters turned to Obama.
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gatorbait Wed, May 14, 2008 6:14:45am |
Portent of things to come, in November.
Chickens coming home to roost.
This false messiah ain't arisin' from the dead.
God Bless America, Land of the Free and Home of the Brave.
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Ward Cleaver Wed, May 14, 2008 7:21:35am |
re: #1 jcm
Hey B. Hussein, how's it feel under the bus?
"Hey, there's an oil leak under here!"
Compare Electricity Prices in your area. Texas Electricity is deregulated; you have the right to choose Texas Electric Rates from among many Texas Electric Companies.
Vicious killer monkey thuggery.
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