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Navarrette: If You Don't Like Obama, You're a Racist

Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:54:48 am PDT

At CNN, an article from Ruben Navarrette Jr. that explicitly spells it out: Not voting for Barack Obama is racism.

Meanwhile, some white Americans are turning themselves inside out to come up with excuses for why they’re not supporting Obama. It seems like just yesterday that these folks were arguing there is no racism in the immigration debate, and now they’re insisting there is no racism in the presidential election.

Some want to know why it isn’t racist when 70 percent of African-Americans vote for Obama but it is when 70 percent of whites vote against him.

The answer has to do with history. Over the decades, black Americans have had plenty of opportunities to vote for white people for president. And they have done so. But this is the first time that white Americans have a chance to vote for an African-American with a shot at the presidency. And what are they doing?

Many are responding quite well. Obama won the votes of many — to borrow a phrase — "hardworking white Americans — in Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska and Wyoming. But, elsewhere, as Obama said in a recent interview, people may need to get their head around the concept of an African-American even seeking the presidency, let alone winning it.

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1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, May 14, 2008 8:56:06am

You need a lot of education to get that stupid

2 Sharmuta  Wed, May 14, 2008 8:56:11am
Some want to know why it isn’t racist when 70 percent of African-Americans vote for Obama but it is when 70 percent of whites vote against him.

The answer has to do with history.

It's all about the context!

3 coquimbojoe  Wed, May 14, 2008 8:56:17am

I guess I am a racist. Lets play define people anyway you want, it seems to work for the dems....

4 MrSilverDragon  Wed, May 14, 2008 8:56:23am

I guess I'm a racist according to their flawed logic.

I don't like the guy, I don't trust the guy, I will never vote for the guy.

5 Sizzlack  Wed, May 14, 2008 8:57:53am

Wow what a jackass. 95% of the people who make this claim don't even have a clue what constitutes real racism.

6 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 14, 2008 8:58:25am

Have you seen this Obama the Messiah painting, complete with wardrobe from Elvis, roses exploding from his crotch, and a unicorn in the background?

7 laZardo  Wed, May 14, 2008 8:58:28am

These people are only thinking in terms of black and white. As a gun-metal-gray person, I call discrimination.

8 famousmortimer78  Wed, May 14, 2008 8:58:31am

Of course, plenty of black people have abstained from voting for white candidates throughout the years, but that isn't racism, right?

9 onslow  Wed, May 14, 2008 8:58:42am

Like I'm gonna take a history lesson from this droog.

10 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 14, 2008 8:58:48am

First of all, it is closer to 90% of blacks that are voting for Obama. I know the left is notoriously bad with facts, but we don't have to be.

11 looking closely  Wed, May 14, 2008 8:58:50am
But this is the first time that white Americans have a chance to vote for an African-American with a shot at the presidency.


Jesse Jackson took 450 delegates in 1984.

12 Sharmuta  Wed, May 14, 2008 8:59:06am
But, elsewhere, as Obama said in a recent interview, people may need to get their head around the concept of an African-American a hamas endorsed politician even seeking the presidency, let alone winning it.

I subscribe the the "content of their character" concept, barack.

13 chinesearithmetic  Wed, May 14, 2008 8:59:14am

But this is the first time that white Americans have a chance to vote for an African-American with a shot at the presidency. And what are they doing?

Many are responding quite well.

Baaaaa...

14 Lobosan5  Wed, May 14, 2008 8:59:14am

I don't like Obama & I am not white......am i a racist?...& Barry dissed his White grandmother....does that make him a racist?...jus'askin'.

15 beachkatie  Wed, May 14, 2008 8:59:30am

Marxism not my cup of tea..

16 NoSubmission  Wed, May 14, 2008 8:59:40am

How tedious and dishonest.

17 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, May 14, 2008 8:59:41am

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You need a lot of education to get that stupid

I would speculate at least an MBA...

18 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 8:59:42am

I don't care if Obama was yellow with green polka dots, I could not vote for him because of the words that come out of his mouth, his actions and his beliefs.

Same with Hillary, it has absolutely nothing to do with race or gender

I don't let other people decide who and what I am, under any circumstances.

It's interesting, that most of my extended family, all Democrat voters, are the only racists that I know personally.

I am truly color blind.

19 Peacekeeper  Wed, May 14, 2008 8:59:48am

About 20% of the white electorate will vote for Obama just because of this.
And right after Obama is elected the race baiters will claim that saying " I voted for Obama" doesn't mean you're not a racist.

20 Sizzlack  Wed, May 14, 2008 8:59:59am

Could it be that 70% of African Americans who vote for Obama are doing so because this is the first time in their lives an African American has a real chance at winning?
And could it be that 70% of white voters don't vote for him because they disagree with his policies and choice of friends?
Am I now a bigot for saying that?

Ridiculousness...

21 MandyManners  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:00:19am
But, elsewhere, as Obama said in a recent interview, people may need to get their head around the concept of an African-American even seeking the presidency, let alone winning it.

It's not the color but the character.

22 lawhawk  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:00:23am

PC run amok.

You're not racist for pointing out the obvious fact that 90% of blacks vote for Obama, but are racist for noting that 90% of white will not vote for Obama.

And you're racist for pointing any of this out.

And that means I'm a racist for posting this. Where this is headed is clear - anyone who criticizes Obama on any subject will be deemed racist. Pollsters who point out views will be considered racist or pandering to racists.

It's sickening..

23 billhedrick  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:00:25am

sigh... When I disagreed with Edwards' socialized medicine plan that was OK, apparently I am not sexist for disagreeing with Hillary's but I am a racist if I don't Obama's socialized medicine plan.
Who knew?

24 markx  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:00:36am

I'm shocked.

/not

We'll be hearing a lot more of this garbage in the next 7 months.

25 gop_patriot  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:00:58am
Over the decades, black Americans have had plenty of opportunities to vote for white people for president. And they have done so. But this is the first time that white Americans have a chance to vote for an African-American with a shot at the presidency.

It doesn't matter what a Presidential candidate believes, says, does, or associates with? Just the color of his skin matters? WRONG, wrong, wrong. I don't vote FOR someone because they're white, believe me; cause I've voted against as many white people as I have voted for, genius. I vote for a person's policies and beliefs. I voted for Alan Keyes a few years ago, btw, when he was running against a big ol' group of typical white guys.

26 deanyc  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:01:07am

From small minds come meaningless, baseless points.

27 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:01:08am

Since LGF is strictly 'typical white people'...

/

28 coquimbojoe  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:01:12am

Voting for Obama only because he is black is racist in its own special way. The last time race was the deciding factor 6 million Jews died. Well maybe not the last time, but you get my point.

29 bosforus  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:01:17am

re: #14 Lobosan5

I don't like Obama & I am not white......am i a racist?...& Barry dissed his White grandmother....does that make him a racist?...jus'askin'.

If you're black it means you don't understand what it means to be black.
If you're hispanic it means you don't understand how condescendingly you are looked at by white people.

30 joncelli  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:01:28am

That didn't take long. Look for a huge article in Newsweek titled "You're a Goddam Racist If You Don't Vote for Him, You White Devil!"

31 laZardo  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:01:33am

re: #11 looking closely

How'd they end up picking Dukakis over him anyway?

32 JohnnyReb  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:01:42am

Well I guess I am a racist then. I am not voting for him because I want to keep at least some of my meager paycheck, not because he is black. I truly hate it when people try and put labels on me.

33 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:01:57am

Democrats are the most longstanding racists in the history of this country.

The Democrats have done the most harm to persons of color, and continue to.

34 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:02:06am

Trying to force, through attacks (verbal, written or otherwise), someone to vote for a candidate based on the race of the candidate is rascist... kettle meet pot and go make some smoke you ignorant hypocritical hippie commie etc...

35 markx  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:02:10am

re: #22 lawhawk


It's sickening..

...but predictable.

36 redheadredstate  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:02:11am

Typical tactic of the left. You don't agree with our agenda then you are a racist, homophobic, bigoted, (insert your description here) right wing nutter. I'll say again, if Alan Keys, Michael Steele, Thomas Sole, Walter Williams, Condi Rice or my neighbor Lee ( a real standup guy) were to run for POTUS I not only would vote for any one of them but would help run their campaigns. It isn't the skin pigmentation, it's the thought orientation---hey how bout that for a bumper sticker?

37 lawhawk  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:02:12am

re: #11 looking closely

And Shirley Chisholm had run for President as well. In 1972! And she won 152 delegates.

38 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:02:17am

re: #22 lawhawk

PC run amok.

You're not racist for pointing out the obvious fact that 90% of blacks vote for Obama, but are racist for noting that 90% of white will not vote for Obama.

And you're racist for pointing any of this out.

And that means I'm a racist for posting this. Where this is headed is clear - anyone who criticizes Obama on any subject will be deemed racist. Pollsters who point out views will be considered racist or pandering to racists.

It's sickening..

They are trying to frame the argument so there can be absolutely no criticism of Obama this election season. Other then Fox, and I have my doubts about them sometimes, it appears to be working.

39 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:02:33am

'Stop racism and sexism now! Kill all white males!'

The new Dem mantra if Hillary takes the Veep.

40 Cognito  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:02:41am

What a maroon.

He's written this with the perspective that voting for Obama is the default action, and any other action requires justification. He gives it away, immediately, with:

Meanwhile, some white Americans are turning themselves inside out to come up with excuses for why they’re not supporting Obama.

And then:

Some want to know why it isn’t racist when 70 percent of African-Americans vote for Obama but it is when 70 percent of whites vote against him.

Wha..? When did we start having anti-ballots? I thought is was just called "liking the other person better."

41 venezuela lover  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:02:54am

Give me a break. Obama has surrounded himself with racists including Wright and Farrakhan and many lesser characters such as the Che loving lady (Che had many crude remarks about Black Cubans). He and his campaign have no right to claim racist damages when they are a source of racism. Clean your own house first, Obama.

42 DaChew  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:03:06am

I'm going to vote against his white half. So, it's not racism.

43 billhedrick  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:03:10am

re: #32 JohnnyReb

Well I guess I am a racist then. I am not voting for him because I want to keep at least some of my meager paycheck, not because he is black. I truly hate it when people try and put labels on me.

There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch

...Nigel Powers

44 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:03:14am

Brilliant.

You must vote for the black candidate, or you're a racist.

By the way, race is not part of this election.

Both statements are true! TA DA!

45 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:03:16am

re: #33 republic

Democrats are the most longstanding racists in the history of this country.

The Democrats have done the most harm to persons of color, and continue to.

I've seen people shocked and dismayed at Obama's massive loss in West Virginia.

From the state where Democrats regularly reelect a Klansman to the Senate.

46 MandyManners  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:03:19am

re: #34 anotherindyfilmguy

Trying to force, through attacks (verbal, written or otherwise), someone to vote for a candidate based on the race of the candidate is rascist... kettle meet pot and go make some smoke you ignorant hypocritical hippie commie etc...

Same with gender.

47 saberry0530  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:03:29am

Let me see...

Black skin color - no problem there
From Chicago - No problem there either
Lacks experience - slight problem
claims to be from democratic party - slight problem
acts like a fucking communist - MAJOR PROBLEM

48 Whale Watcher  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:03:37am

I'm already an infidel.

I guess I can handle being a racist too.

49 The_Vig  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:03:39am

Believing that we are different races is racist.

50 Rogue198  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:03:49am

By that logic, voting for Obama over Hillary is sexist, every President has been male, this would be the first time a woman had a shot at the nomination.

So the author is obviously a male chauvinist pig.

51 MandyManners  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:04:02am

re: #42 DaChew

I'm going to vote against his white half. So, it's not racism.

LOL!

52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:04:08am

What about those of us who dont like Obama because he associates with racists?

And terrorists.

And socialists.

53 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:04:13am

re: #42 DaChew

I'm going to vote against his white half. So, it's not racism.

Can I use that?

54 coquimbojoe  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:04:20am

re: #45 JamesTKirk

I've seen people shocked and dismayed at Obama's massive loss in West Virginia.

From the state where Democrats regularly reelect a Klansman to the Senate.

Wasn't the Klan known as the armed wing of the Democratic party?

55 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:04:25am

re: #40 Cognito

Wha..? When did we start having anti-ballots? I thought is was just called "liking the other person better."

That requires there to be a likable person in the running.

56 Broomer  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:04:26am

All the more reason for McCain to select Michael Steele as VP.

57 billhedrick  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:04:32am

re: #49 The_Vig

Believing that we are different races is racist.

We have a winner! Seriously this a great comment.

58 NoSubmission  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:04:36am

But what if a black person doesn't want to vote for Obama?

59 stead63  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:04:38am

I believe I said that yesterday...oh wait I did...but then again my view could be skewed b/c I am conservative/rep psychotic according to some.

60 L_Y_N_X29  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:04:44am

At this rate, the day is not far when
... if you do not become a muslim, you are Islamophobic and a racist!

61 beerdrinking_victorymonkey  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:04:59am

To paraphrase The Jerk: "I wouldn't care if Obama was the color of a baboon's ass, I still wouldn't vote for him."

62 Sizzlack  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:05:10am

re: #56 Broomer

All the more reason for McCain to select Michael Steele as VP.

or perhaps in another direction Bobby Jindal

63 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:05:19am

re: #37 lawhawk

re: #11 looking closely

And Shirley Chisholm had run for President as well. In 1972! And she won 152 delegates.

Both of you shut up with your racist facts!

64 MandyManners  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:05:28am

re: #56 Broomer

All the more reason for McCain to select Michael Steele as VP.

Why? To appease such twaddle?

65 blutonazi98  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:05:33am

yes i don't like Obama, hes black... I'm a racist
yes i don't like Hillary, hes very shrill... I'm a shrillist
yes i don't ted kennedy, hes fat and drunk... I'm a fattist with a side drinkist
yes i don't like Pelosi, she looks like a ferrit on meth... I'm an anti-meth rodist
yes i don't like Patty Murray, she has a 46 IQ... I'm a retardist

it is all me, it has nothing to do with the democratic party

/howard dean... i know I'm a screamist

66 beachkatie  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:05:37am

re: #52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What about those of us who dont like Obama because he associates with racists?

And terrorists.

And socialists.

I couldn't say it better!

67 Sharmuta  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:05:38am

I'm just going to use the john kerry defense- I wanted to vote for him before I voted against him.

68 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:05:42am

re: #56 Broomer

All the more reason for McCain to select Michael Steele as VP.

That would be displayed an blatant tokenism by the media.

And they'd actually be right.

69 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:05:44am

re: #54 coquimbojoe

Wasn't the Klan known as the armed wing of the Democratic party?

No- I think you are talking about the Chicago Police Department.

70 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:05:54am

re: #45 JamesTKirk

I've seen people shocked and dismayed at Obama's massive loss in West Virginia.

From the state where Democrats regularly reelect a Klansman to the Senate.


The fact that Robert Byrd is a longstanding racist, DEMOCRAT Senator, and he's buddies with ALL of the Democrat party, and tolerated, says it all about the Demokrat party.

71 Cognito  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:05:58am

re: #58 NoSubmission

But what if a black person doesn't want to vote for Obama?

Racists.

72 looking closely  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:06:19am
But this is the first time that white Americans have a chance to vote for an African-American with a shot at the presidency

Alan Keyes took 20% of the vote in Utah , which is demographically 94% white, in his Presidential bid in 2000. How does "racism" figure in that one?

If the argument is that blacks are voting for him "because he has a shot" that's a tautological argument.

ANYBODY has a shot who can accumulate enough votes. Wasn't Bill Clinton the first "Black" president?

As I see this, its simple. Either we live in a "color-blind" society, or we don't. Clearly we don't, and as I pointed out yesterday, to the extent that race has been a factor in this primary process, its been largely to Obama's advantage, not the other way around.

And with due respect to Navarette, I got PLENTY of problems with Obama having zero to due with his genes, and I think its perfectly rational to prefer Clinton to Obama if you are a Democrat, based on (among other things) foreign policy differences in her platform.

73 wordwarp  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:06:19am
74 Peacekeeper  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:06:23am

re: #44 Occasional Reader

Brilliant.

You must vote for the black candidate, or you're a racist.

By the way, race is not part of this election.

Both statements are true! TA DA!


Once in office anybody who tries to hold him accountable for failures, flubs and scandals will also be a racist. Great racket.

75 pat  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:06:36am

Nobody is buying that nonsense anymore. We have transcended race.

76 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:06:40am

re: #54 coquimbojoe

Wasn't the Klan known as the armed wing of the Democratic party?

Can you say,

Robert Byrd

77 Silhouette  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:06:42am
Meanwhile, some white Americans are turning themselves inside out to come up with excuses for why they’re not supporting Obama.

Pay no attention to the 1001 rational, thought-out, and very real reasons for not voting for BO.

Mr navarrette KNOWS your mind better than you do.

78 seekeroftruth  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:06:52am

This stuff is pissing me off.
He rejects symbols of our country - flags flag pin, hand on the heart during the National Anthem, and yet wants to be the CIC of this country.
His wive hate this country.
His Pastor of 20 years hates this country
He surrounds himself with terrorists or terrorist sympathizer -Ayers, Rashid Khalidi, Ali Abunimah, Hatem El-Hady, etc......
He puts his foot in his mouth nearly every day now.
His foreign policy is naive and dangerous.
He is playing the race card repeatedly.
He is really thin skinned - not a good thing for a president.
That's why he doesn't have my vote. That's not racist, main stream media, it's self preservation and smart!

79 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:07:20am

This guy makes the typical error of assuming that racism is identified based on how many of each race vote for a candidate of another race rather than on what actually defines racism.......the motivation for voting or not voting for a candidate of another race.

80 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:07:32am

re: #58 NoSubmission

But what if a black person doesn't want to vote for Obama?

I'd say they are pretty much on the ball.

81 firebreather  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:07:38am

Ruben Navarette...

One of the top leaders at La Raza, right?

Proponent of Azatlan, and Latino separatism, right?

Ruben Navarette is just another perennially aggrieved minority projecting his racism onto white society at large.

And let's get a few more facts clear...more than 90% of black primary voters are voting for Obama (not 70%, as claimed by Navarette). And just over half of white primary voters are voting for Hillary over Obama (not nearly 70%, as claimed by Navarette).

So which group is clearly voting along racial lines?

82 madisonsfriend  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:07:53am

re: #58 NoSubmission

reverse racism

83 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:07:56am

re: #79 eschew_obfuscation

This guy makes the typical error of assuming that racism is identified based on how many of each race vote for a candidate of another race rather than on what actually defines racism.......the motivation for voting or not voting for a candidate of another race.

No, he assumes racism is identified based upon your lack of support for Obama, period.

84 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:08:01am

re: #77 Silhouette

Pay no attention to the 1001 rational, thought-out, and very real reasons for not voting for BO.

Mr navarrette KNOWS your mind better than you do.

Just out of curiosity, Is Mr. Navarrette an American Citizen?

85 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:08:03am

re: #45 JamesTKirk

I've seen people shocked and dismayed at Obama's massive loss in West Virginia.

From the state where Democrats regularly reelect a Klansman to the Senate.

West Virginia, created because they decided to side with the Union instead of the South during the Civil War.

86 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:08:13am

Rush is on!

Woo Hoo!

87 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:08:19am

re: #21 MandyManners

It's not the color but the lack of character.

Fixed it for you, MM. :)

88 lawhawk  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:08:27am

re: #81 firebreather

Democrats.

89 thedopefishlives  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:08:28am

It's racist for you to point out that I'm racist by not voting for the candidate of the correct race. Here's why: In pointing to my racism by saying I had the chance to vote for a candidate of a different race and yet refused to do so, you are indirectly affirming that blacks are an inferior race. Therefore, by saying that we must vote for Obama in order to clear our names of the racist label, you are saying that Obama has no redeeming quality of his own and is an inferior candidate because he is black. You, sir, are a racist.

/That made my head hurt, I gotta sit down.

90 leboaz  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:08:34am

I would vote for Obama before voting for Navarrette. I have to see his bull every week in our local paper and he usually just ruins my morning. He is the biggest guilt monger I have ever read. Mostly he uses his pulpit to defend illegal immigrants, though only those from south of the border. Now, to show he's not a racist like republicans, he pulls this crap. Sorry, Ruben, you haven't guilted me into voting for BO yet, and you never will.

91 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:08:39am

Rush is going to be talking about the "race" issue.

92 FrogMarch  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:08:42am

NEW MEDIA TEMPLATE

93 MandyManners  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:08:43am

re: #87 Bob in Breckenridge

Fixed it for you, MM. :)

Thanks!

94 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:08:45am
95 venezuela lover  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:09:10am

re: #53 Nevergiveup
re: #42 DaChew
I'm going to vote against his white half. So, it's not racism.

Can I use that?

Which part of Obama is racist? The black half or the white half?
Answer: His black half is the source of his racism and those who surround him.

96 stead63  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:09:12am

re: #58 NoSubmission
In the words of Michael Scott - "That's Heresy my friend!"

97 looking closely  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:09:17am

re: #31 laZardo

How'd they end up picking Dukakis over him anyway?

/Clearly they're all racist.

But the point is, this argument is flawed on its face.

Historically people are clannish and vote for their "own". . .white, black, Irish, whatever.

Its hypocritical to say that if Blacks prefer a "black" candidate then there is some sort of historical context that justifies it, but if whites prefer a white candidate there is no possible explanation but racism.

98 beerdrinking_victorymonkey  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:09:20am

re: #81 firebreather

Ruben Navarette...

One of the top leaders at La Raza, right?

Proponent of Azatlan, and Latino separatism, right?

Ruben Navarette is just another perennially aggrieved minority projecting his racism onto white society at large.

And
let's get a few more facts clear...more than 90% of black primary
voters are voting for Obama (not 70%, as claimed by Navarette). And
just over half of white primary voters are voting for Hillary over
Obama (not nearly 70%, as claimed by Navarette).

So which group is clearly voting along racial lines?

Navarette is Hispanic? Didn't know that. I still think he's a class-A dolt, does that make me racist?

99 hazzyday  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:09:21am

This guy is dishonest or a classic idiot. Obama seems like a nice guy, but his head is screwed up with leftist drivel. Since this writer seems to be a bit perverse I think he is pandering to an idea that he has that he can make simplistic black and white arguements to achieve some underhanded goal. He is not confident to be honest. He is imagining a racist world which doesn't exist. Sure there are plenty of Rev Wright racists running around. But that doesn't mean I am going to vote for them to ease my mind or create social justice. I prefer that they take responsibility for themselves and not be public babies.

100 tfc3rid  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:09:31am

re: #58 NoSubmission

But what if a black person doesn't want to vote for Obama?

Then they are an Uncle Tom...

How are ya' darlin'?

101 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:09:34am

Rush says that Obamas train is off the tracks.

Heh.

102 Apache30  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:09:36am

I thought about voting for Obama, but I decided I didn't want to vote for a racist, fascist, unAmerican shitbag that needs to stop breathing my air.

I feel so guilty.

Not.

103 kansas  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:09:42am

I would vote for Clarence Thomas or Michael Steele, or any number of black conservatives. But then they're Uncle Toms and it wouldn't count. Right?

104 DaChew  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:09:45am

re: #53 Nevergiveup

Yeah.

105 bosforus  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:10:01am

re: #86 republic

Rush is on!

Woo Hoo!

thanks for the reminder

106 beachkatie  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:10:14am

re: #86 republic

Rush is on!

Woo Hoo!

Diddo!

107 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:10:33am

re: #105 bosforus

thanks for the reminder


You're welcome.

108 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:10:44am
109 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:10:55am

re: #6 JamesTKirk

Have you seen this Obama the Messiah painting, complete with wardrobe from Elvis, roses exploding from his crotch, and a unicorn in the background?

Perfect! And I like the fact that he's dressed like... Evel Knievel, I think.

110 Ben Hur  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:11:01am
Some want to know why it isn’t racist when 70 percent of African-Americans vote for Obama but it is when 70 percent of whites vote against him.


Blacks are 14% of the population.

Sometimes the MSM thinks it's reversed.

111 realwest  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:11:02am

Well shit, it was published by the Communist News Network, what did y'all expect. And Obama's been getting over 90% of the Black vote, not 70%.
This is just bullshit and I frankly don't think it's worth wasting time on.
If they think that a candidate with ALL of the baggage that Charles wrote about last night is being voted against by a majority of white voters is being voted against only because he's black, let them continue to delude themselves.
They wouldn't know the truth or believe the truth if it smacked 'em in the face.

112 laZardo  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:11:19am

re: #81 firebreather

For a moment there, I thought they meant Rex Navarrette.

/you don't need to be Filipino to get his jokes. ;) But it does help.

113 Silhouette  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:11:19am

re: #47 saberry0530

Let me see...

Black skin color - no problem there
From Chicago - No problem there either
Lacks experience - slight problem
claims to be from democratic party - slight problem
acts like a fucking communist - MAJOR PROBLEM

That about sums it up.

Add to the communism, frolics with racists, crime lords, and terrorists, both foreign and domestic.

114 ggt  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:11:21am

re: #36 redheadredstate

I think we need to meet you neighbor Lee.

The main reason I won't vote for Obama is the plain and simple fact that I don't want the Chicago Combine in the White House. Technically, Hillary falls into the same category. Alinksky heirs.

115 bosforus  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:11:24am

re: #108 savage_nation

savage!

116 firebreather  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:11:29am

re: #98 beerdrinking_victorymonkey


If you are a white male conservative, you are a de facto racist.

Come on, you know the rules of life in modern America.

117 Cognito  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:11:34am

re: #109 Occasional Reader

Perfect! And I like the fact that he's dressed like... Evel Knievel, I think.

No, no. He's dressed as Fat Elvis.

118 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:11:36am

Clinging to my guns and my Christianity.

Happiest person that I know.

"Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition"!

119 beerdrinking_victorymonkey  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:11:46am

re: #109 Occasional Reader

Perfect! And I like the fact that he's dressed like... Evel Knievel, I think.

That's awesome! Does it come painted on black velvet?

120 NoSubmission  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:11:53am

re: #100 tfc3rid

How are ya' darlin'?

I'm doing great, thanks! How about you?

121 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:12:00am
...excuses for why they’re not supporting Obama.

1. Ranked most liberal senator for 2007.
2. Marxist.
3. Will raise taxes, and admittedly campaigns on it.
4. Will pull us out of Iraq ASAP and the ensuing chaos will be 'Bush's' fault.
5. Will decimate our military from within.
6. Open Border bleeding heart.
7. Anti 2nd Amendment.
8. Universal Healthcare.
9. 'Global Poverty' initiative.
10. Global Warming B.S. lines.
I am just starting...

I don't give a shizzle about his church, pastor, or his friggin epidermis...him standing on his own with his messed up policies is enough for him to be shunned.

122 Squirrelguy  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:12:03am

re: #12 Sharmuta

I subscribe the the "content of their character" concept, barack.

Amen, which is why I'd never vote for him.

123 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:12:13am

re: #108 savage_nation

better...


Thanks buddy!

Good to see you, hope all is well.

:)

124 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:12:53am
#83 JamesTKirk 5/14/08 9:07:56 am reply quote report 0

re: #79 eschew_obfuscation

This guy makes the typical error of assuming that racism is identified based on how many of each race vote for a candidate of another race rather than on what actually defines racism.......the motivation for voting or not voting for a candidate of another race.

No, he assumes racism is identified based upon your lack of support for Obama, period.


He may do both, but what I said still stands based on this:


Some want to know why it isn’t racist when 70 percent of African-Americans vote for Obama but it is when 70 percent of whites vote against him.


Such statistics are meaningless without including the motivation for the votes.

125 tfc3rid  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:12:55am

re: #120 NoSubmission

I'm doing great, thanks! How about you?

Eh, all in all, not that bad...

126 coquimbojoe  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:12:59am

Democrat Racism.

Democrat Racism

Democrat Racism

Democrat Racism ...For many, the KKK and its public political wing, the Young Men's Democratic Clubs, offered a chance to take action....

127 BGOH  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:13:00am

Man, it didn't take much effort for me to "turn [myself] inside out" to find at least 150 reasons to not vote for Obama. I never realized that such a seemingly painful act could be so easy!

128 looking closely  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:13:04am

re: #109 Occasional Reader

Perfect! And I like the fact that he's dressed like... Evel Knievel, I think.

You can even see nipple.

129 Catttt  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:13:16am

Not voting for Michael Steele is racism too, then, dammit! /

130 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:13:22am

re: #111 realwest

Well shit, it was published by the Communist News Network, what did y'all expect. And Obama's been getting over 90% of the Black vote, not 70%.
This is just bullshit and I frankly don't think it's worth wasting time on.
If they think that a candidate with ALL of the baggage that Charles wrote about last night is being voted against by a majority of white voters is being voted against only because he's black, let them continue to delude themselves.
They wouldn't know the truth or believe the truth if it smacked 'em in the face.

Jon Carry got 89% of the black vote in 2004.

So what!

Hi realwest.

131 tfc3rid  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:13:34am

re: #121 Oh no...Sand People!

Those are pretty good reasons!

132 Squirrelguy  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:13:37am

re: #118 republic

Clinging to my guns and my Christianity.

Happiest person that I know.

"Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition"!

OOH-RAH!

133 The Other Les  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:13:45am

If I don't shoot myself in the head then I'm a racist.

No.

If I don't drink the kool-aid then I'm a racist.

No.

If I don't vote for a ignorant nihilist racial socialist then I'm a racist.

Hell no!

134 redheadredstate  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:14:09am

#114 ggt

Lee's a great guy, a Republican in Texas! He served 20 years overseas in the army and he can bar-b-que chicken so good that it would make your grandma weep. He's surrounded by an entire family of left-wing moonbats and he still sticks to his guns...now that's bravery! LEE FOR POTUS!

135 pat  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:14:10am

re: #94 ploome hineni

he is obviously an affirmative action baby..and to him, it must seem normal that the minority person should get a place on the ticket

credentials? test scores? accomplishements?

you are a racist to even mention that

he DESERVES the position based on his skin color

That is the odd thing. While Michelle was an affirmative action baby, Obama was not. He got to the Ivy League the way whites from middle class families do. His white grandmother (as opposed to his moonbat mom) got him the best prep school education money could buy. Then he went to a good school, Uof Mich, where he got good grades. He tested well and got accepted. And while it is true both U of Mich and Harvard have very strong affirmative action programs, Michigan being the most egegious in the nation, Obama did not need it.

136 bosforus  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:14:36am

re: #127 BGOH

Man, it didn't take much effort for me to "turn [myself] inside out" to find at least 150 reasons to not vote for Obama. I never realized that such a seemingly painful act could be so easy!

I know I'm asking for a lot here, but I wonder what the opinion from the left would be of Obama if he had all of the exact same baggage but was named Mike Smith and was a white guy.

137 tfc3rid  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:14:54am

re: #130 republic

Jon Carry got 89% of the black vote in 2004.

So what!

Hi realwest.

Yeah and then evry election sycle you hear that the Dems take the black American community for granted and that GOP'ers care more for them... Doesn't matter... The Dem cadidate STILL gets 90% of the vote...

138 oh_dude  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:15:02am

Well Shit. Call Bubba, tell him to gas up the truck, get the dogs and load them shotguns, cause I guess I'm a racist. (Spits tobacco)

139 Alouette  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:15:07am

What painkillers is this guy on? This much stupidity must really hurt.

140 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:15:08am

re: #111 realwest

Well shit, it was published by the Communist News Network

I have to say, I was stunned (and pleased) to see Lou Dobbs stand up firmly for 2nd Amendment rights and against the gun-grabbers, in a piece on the Kafkaesque prosecution of David Olofson. (Convicted of "transferring a machinegun" after he loaned a perfectly legal semiautomatic AR15 to someone to use at a range - also perfectly legal - and the weapon malfunctioned, firing a burst on full-auto. It's as if you go to the ATM, punch in that you want $50, the machine spits out $70, and you're promptly arrested for bank robbery.)

141 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:15:15am
142 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:15:22am

re: #132 Squirrelguy

OOH-RAH!

I'm just putting my SureFire M900A on one of my black rifles, aka, defense firearm.

143 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:15:24am

Seems Mr. Navarrette went to Haaavard. Ivy League. Enough said.

144 FrogMarch  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:15:25am

Even though he's a socialist - DON'T CALL OBAMA A SOCIALIST. You racist bastards.

/agenda

145 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:15:29am
146 Silhouette  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:15:40am

Let's all stop lying. They're's on to us. We can throw out excuses, but everyone knows why we don't like Obama. We're not fooling anybody.

We might as well admit it...

It's his bowling score.

147 Squirrelguy  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:16:34am

re: #146 Silhouette

Let's all stop lying. They're's on to us. We can throw out excuses, but everyone knows why we don't like Obama. We're not fooling anybody.

We might as well admit it...

It's his bowling score.

pssssssssst. It's the waffles.

148 The Other Les  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:16:38am

re: #135 pat

That is the odd thing. While Michelle was an affirmative action baby, Obama was not. He got to the Ivy League the way whites from middle class families do. His white grandmother (as opposed to his moonbat mom) got him the best prep school education money could buy. Then he went to a good school, Uof Mich, where he got good grades. He tested well and got accepted. And while it is true both U of Mich and Harvard have very strong affirmative action programs, Michigan being the most egegious in the nation, Obama did not need it.

That he is a Socialist who believes that we have 57 states would indicate that the standards at the University of Michigan aren't terribly high.

149 tfc3rid  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:16:46am

re: #145 buzzsawmonkey

As I recall, one of the things which initially supposedly made Obama an attractive candidate was that he was the "post-racial" candidate--that his candidacy was going to be proof positive that the bad old days of race hustling were over.

I can see that's working out well.

Yeah, right.

Tawana Brawley is to Al Sharpton as Brack Obama is to Jeremiah Wright...

discuss...

150 tonysdca  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:16:48am

re: #70 republic

Speaking of Robert Byrd, did anyone hear Hillary pandering to W VA about her willingness to address their dire need for highway infrastructure (and let's add high-speed communication access everywhere too)? Come on, they have always enjoyed a massively disproportionate share of Fed highway funds. There are highways in W VA that are still waiting for cities to be built at their terminus.

151 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:16:53am

re: #139 Alouette

What painkillers is this guy on? This much stupidity must really hurt.

That much stupidity is really going to hurt this idiot down the road, but, it's all his choice.

152 wanumba  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:16:55am
Some want to know why it isn’t racist when 70 percent of African-Americans vote for Obama but it is when 70 percent of whites vote against him.


Someone's voting racist here, but it's not necessarily "Whites" as a blocl. So what's the explanation for the 30% of Black Americans who aren't voting for him either?

The answer has to do with history. Over the decades, black Americans have had plenty of opportunities to vote for white people for president. And they have done so. But this is the first time that white Americans have a chance to vote for an African-American
with a shot at the presidency. And what are they doing?


Uh, taking the time to listen to what the guy is saying and noticing the quality of the nasty crew of creeps he hangs out with? Why does it always seem like we are being lectured to by a first grade teacher?

Many are responding quite well.


From another person's perspective, "responding quite well" isn't how one would phrase the actions of a bunch of idiots who are too busy screaming, hyperventilating and fainting to be LISTENING to what Obama is SAYING.
Gads, a racist screed from the first capital letter to the last period. What's not racist about "White people SHOULD vote for Obama because he's black." Maybe this dude isn't used to free people who THINK! Chillingly, it bodes even worse for those 30% respesenting freedom-loving, high-achieving Blacks to whom the Leftie race-baiters are loudly snarling, "should know better, but don't."

153 ggt  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:17:04am

re: #134 redheadredstate

I like him already.

154 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:17:13am

re: #131 tfc3rid

Those are pretty good reasons!

Sad that all those points I mentioned are racist...Did you know that whites are the only ones who don't pay taxes? So since taxes are racist, the tax rates must be raised...

/////

155 tfc3rid  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:17:15am

re: #146 Silhouette

Well, his bowling score IS an embarrassment...

156 bosforus  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:17:19am

re: #141 savage_nation

bos! what say you?

Oh, nothin'. But when you enter the room it always feels like Norm from Cheers.

157 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:17:37am

re: #116 firebreather

If you are a white male conservative, you are a de facto racist.

Come on, you know the rules of life in modern America.

I had to amend that, I hope you don't mind. All white males are de facto racists; the liberals just have a "prayer bump" on their foreheads from trying to make it up. They're still racists even if they don't know it. You see, every white male is the recipient of cultural advantages that others do not have, whether they realize it or not. This innate advantage makes life in the US inherently unfair to anyone that is not a white male, and means that any criticism of any white male is defined as correct and deserved.

/sarc for me, but I have read this cr@p in more than one place
//Navarette would be a bleeding-heart lib in my book, but I think his problem is lower than that
///If Houston was full of illegal Canadians, I'd be just as unhappy

158 The Other Les  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:17:54am

re: #144 FrogMarch

Even though he's a socialist - DON'T CALL OBAMA A SOCIALIST. You racist bastards.

/agenda

Don't call Hitler a Socialist either.

/

159 Cygnus  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:18:00am

OT - Holocaust deniers should be forced to watch this. *Warning* Not for the squeamish!

160 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:18:15am
161 BGOH  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:18:21am

re: #136 bosforus

I know I'm asking for a lot here, but I wonder what the opinion from the left would be of Obama if he had all of the exact same baggage but was named Mike Smith and was a white guy.

I think we all know the answer to that question.

162 tfc3rid  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:18:28am

re: #154 Oh no...Sand People!

Really? Then I think the government has me confused... I'm as European Caucasian as one can be...

163 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:18:35am

I am not voting for Obama, I am not racist!

I am not voting for Hillary, I am not sexist!

Yeee Hawwwwwww!

164 Catttt  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:18:36am

My parents taught me not to judge people by the color of their skin. They taught me to be analytical and observant.

Hence, I voted for Michael Steele for senator - I wish he had won.

Hence, I will not be voting for Senator Obama, assuming he is the nominee (it's not over 'til it's over). I hope he doesn't win.

165 looking closely  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:18:37am

re: #124 eschew_obfuscation

Such statistics are meaningless without including the motivation for the votes.

Right.

If you are Black, its perfectly understandable to want to see a Black American as President. Considering that Clinton and Obama's platforms are 95% identical, why NOT vote for Obama if you were otherwise going to vote Democrat?

Conversely, if you lacked that particular motivation, you might simply go for the more familiar or experienced candidate (whom in this case is Clinton).

So this is a simple and plausible explanation that does not invoke racism AT ALL.

166 Sharmuta  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:18:43am

The man's not qualified to lead this nation. Full stop.

I refuse to justify this talking point of "racism" any more than to state "he's not qualified", because he isn't. Elections are not supposed to be about voting against someone, we're supposed to vote for who we feel is best able to handle the job. I'll be voting for someone else because I feel that person is better able to handle the job.

So take your "racist" meme and cram it where the sun don't shine.

167 Silhouette  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:18:49am

re: #158 The Other Les

Don't call Hitler a Socialist either./

"They're not Nazis. They were Nationalists Socialists."

/whatshisname from Indiana

168 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:18:59am
169 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:19:00am

re: #146 Silhouette

Let's all stop lying. They're's on to us. We can throw out excuses, but everyone knows why we don't like Obama. We're not fooling anybody.

We might as well admit it...

It's his bowling score.

I'll admit it. I was a pretty good athlete in my day. And I would be less likely to vote for a "spaz" ( I know that word not matter how poorly I spelled it is not pc). But Gee, a blind man ( or woman ) could do better than a 37 any day of the week and twice on Sunday!

170 AmeriDan  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:19:18am

re: #129 Catttt

Not voting for Michael Steele is racism too, then, dammit! /

End of discussion as far as I'm concerned.

A perfect turning of the table. Good stuff.

171 Opinionated  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:19:19am

I'm looking for this news come November

Racists- 270 plus electoral votes
Obama- the rest

172 laZardo  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:19:32am

re: #129 Catttt

Michael Steele's an Uncle Tom for being a post-Lincoln Republican. Voting against him would teach him a lesson.

/

173 FrogMarch  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:19:46am

It's not about ideology. no no. It's about race.

/agenda

174 tfc3rid  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:19:53am

re: #160 buzzsawmonkey

Barack Obama, it is increasingly clear, is Al Sharpton with a better figure, a better accent, and a better voice.

Interesting take...

I was thinking more that while Tawana Brawley was used by Sharpton for nefarious purposes, that Obama is being used by Wright to bring his form of 'beliefs' into the White House...

175 The Other Les  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:19:59am

re: #152 wanumba

Black sheets are too obvious and too expensive.

176 ggt  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:20:01am

re: #142 republic

Do you know about that SureFire flashlight? There is one that is suppossed to shine a strobe light, temporarly disorienting whoever it is pointed at. I started to research it a few months a back and couldn't get near the rep at NRA show in St. Louis.

It seems like viable alternative for those of us who are not candidates to use firearms.

177 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:20:02am

Definitive Non Racial Reasons To Not Vote For Barack Obama

1. Obama is five degrees left of Geroge McGovern and his proposed policies would ruin this coutnry's economy and international standing

-Obama is a socialist. Socialism did not build America, capitalism did. It follows that since socialism kills capitalism, Obama's vision of an American nanny state is out of touch with what America is supposed to be. If you look at the list of US billionaires, the overwhelming majority came from what would not be called rich families and most of these fortunes did not exist 40 years ago.
-His ideas about meeting with Hamas, Hezbolla and Iran prostitutes the US before loathesome religious bigots and murderers.

2. Obama associates with scum. Harsh words but Bill Ayers and Tony Rezko are the used shitrags of American society (Rezko and Ayers both have been indicted and have terrorism connections ). Despite his Harvard background, Obama chooses to associate with them instead of shunning them. This displays massively bad judgement on Obama's part and a frightening glimpse at Obama's inner heart.

3. He is a lousy bowler.

178 firebreather  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:20:17am

re: #109 Occasional Reader

Perfect! And I like the fact that he's dressed like... Evel Knievel, I think.

Could it be... that Obama is the 12th imam... and therefore the fulfillment of Shia Muslim prophesy?

Ruminate on the implications.

179 daledog  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:20:19am

re: #42 DaChew

Hilarious! I'm going to use this loophole if you don't mind.

180 Opilio  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:20:27am

What an A**h***.

181 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:20:38am
182 tfc3rid  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:20:46am

re: #166 Sharmuta

The man's not qualified to lead this nation. Full stop.

I refuse to justify this talking point of "racism" any more than to state "he's not qualified", because he isn't. Elections are not supposed to be about voting against someone, we're supposed to vote for who we feel is best able to handle the job. I'll be voting for someone else because I feel that person is better able to handle the job.

So take your "racist" meme and cram it where the sun don't shine.

Which is how it should be... However, this election is like American Idol... Popularity contest...

183 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:20:47am

Affirmative action in the voting booth.

I'll say it again:
I don't choose who to vote for by the color of his skin,
but by the color of his ideas
And Obama's ideas are Communist red.

He's not getting my vote.

184 mscholtens  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:20:55am

"Obama won the votes of many — to borrow a phrase — "hardworking white Americans — in Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska and Wyoming."

After the recent disclosures re: J Wright, Ayers and Dorhn among others, bet there's some serious buyer's remorse in those very locales.

185 venezuela lover  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:21:06am

re: #136 bosforus

I know I'm asking for a lot here, but I wonder what the opinion from the left would be of Obama if he had all of the exact same baggage but was named Mike Smith and was a white guy.

In that case, white guy Mike Smith would have been trashed within hours of announcing his candidacy for president. No experience, close relationships with racists and corrupt officials, communist sympathizing, no details on the future except to change everything, pro-abortion, unable to tell the truth over and over again, supported by terrorist groups and outside rogue nations, stupid international policy agendas, untrustworthy, and married to an anti-American whiner would make voters ignore Mike Smith right off the bat.

186 bosforus  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:21:16am

re: #168 savage_nation

Just don't start spoutin' off little known facts and I think you'll be alright.

187 The Other Les  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:21:28am

re: #167 Silhouette

"They're not Nazis. They were Nationalists Socialists."

/whatshisname from Indiana

One would think that the word "socialist' would send up a red flag.

188 thedopefishlives  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:21:29am

Y'know, part of me wonders if the whole race-baiting thing is supposed to be an intelligent ploy by the Democratic leadership to take the focus off the fact that Obama is a buffoon who spouts empty air when he speaks.

Then I just laugh at my own joke and continue on my merry way.

189 Silhouette  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:21:29am

re: #166 Sharmuta

The man's not qualified to lead this nation. Full stop.

Did you see the video where they were asking his supporters to list any qualification, and they weren't allowed to say, "I liked his speech."

One said he was a Senator (pssst, so are the other two)
One passed!
And the third said being black was his accomplishment. And then added that he wrote a book (pssst, so did the other two)

190 MandyManners  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:22:19am

re: #188 thedopefishlives

Y'know, part of me wonders if the whole race-baiting thing is supposed to be an intelligent ploy by the Democratic leadership to take the focus off the fact that Obama is a buffoon who spouts empty air when he speaks.
Then I just laugh at my own joke and continue on my merry way.

You bet your sweet bippy!

191 firebreather  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:22:26am

re: #112 laZardo


Ruben Navarette, Latino separatist, is equally comedic, but for far different reasons.

192 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:22:27am

re: #176 ggt

Do you know about that SureFire flashlight? There is one that is suppossed to shine a strobe light, temporarly disorienting whoever it is pointed at. I started to research it a few months a back and couldn't get near the rep at NRA show in St. Louis.

It seems like viable alternative for those of us who are not candidates to use firearms.

Surefire home page. They make good, if expensive, products. As for the "temporarily disorienting" part... well, look, they make very bright little flashlights. I'd say, count only on the "temporarily" part. You can only do so much with a flashlight.

193 GreenBear  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:22:58am

I hate the easy, one-stop labels the left likes to use.

I was listening on NPR once to some girl who had started some e-zine back when they were the new "thing" and she went on this long rant about the mean people out there who liked to label people like her, "Those people are bigots!"

Wait a minute, wasn't that a label? Hmmm...

I figure I've been called worse things than "racist" but I'm also at that juicy point in my life where young, impressionable persons actually value my opinion for some odd reason. Sometimes it doesn't take much more than a sideways glance for them realize that I don't buy the crap coming out of their mouths. The most it takes is to mildly challenge their facts and then casually bring up Charles Martel or the Robert the Bruce and the talking points they've been fed leave them stammering a weak defense.

Never yell, but speak softly and calmly and they can't dismiss you as some lunatic as they have been taught to look out for. It can take some time but most can be turned back toward the light.

It's simply wonderful at times...

194 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:23:08am
195 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:23:09am
165 looking closely 5/14/08 9:18:37 am reply quote report 0

re: #124 eschew_obfuscation

Such statistics are meaningless without including the motivation for the votes.

Right.

If you are Black, its perfectly understandable to want to see a Black American as President. Considering that Clinton and Obama's platforms are 95% identical, why NOT vote for Obama if you were otherwise going to vote Democrat?

Conversely, if you lacked that particular motivation, you might simply go for the more familiar or experienced candidate (whom in this case is Clinton).

So this is a simple and plausible explanation that does not invoke racism AT ALL.


Well....I might differ a little with that....

While it might be understandable for blacks to want to vote for a black candidate......that is nonetheless racist unless their motivation is that the black candidate is better qualified based on objective, non-race related criteria.

196 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:23:09am

re: #185 venezuela lover

In that case, white guy Mike Smith would have been trashed within hours of announcing his candidacy for president. No experience, close relationships with racists and corrupt officials, communist sympathizing, no details on the future except to change everything, pro-abortion, unable to tell the truth over and over again, supported by terrorist groups and outside rogue nations, stupid international policy agendas, untrustworthy, and married to an anti-American whiner would make voters ignore Mike Smith right off the bat.

Only if he were also a Republican.

197 AmeriDan  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:23:19am

re: #156 bosforus

Oh, nothin'. But when you enter the room it always feels like Norm from Cheers.


Savage!

198 Squirrelguy[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:23:21am
199 littleoldlady  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:23:41am
Over the decades, black Americans have had plenty of opportunities to vote for white people for president. And they have done so. But this is the first time that white Americans have a chance to vote for an African-American with a shot at the presidency. And what are they doing?

So, what? It's like, "their turn" to have a President?

Ya know, I've been voting for Christians for President my whole life.

/where's the Jew?
//disenfranchised

200 lawhawk  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:23:45am

re: #146 Silhouette

Let's all stop lying. They're's on to us. We can throw out excuses, but everyone knows why we don't like Obama. We're not fooling anybody.

We might as well admit it...

It's his bowling score.

I'm waiting for someone to come up with 57 reasons to not vote for Obama. I get as far as 2 before I see no reason to continue:

1) no experience
2) marxist/socialist/radical leftist

201 Golem Akbar  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:23:54am

I love the statistics quoted here, too. But according to all the research, 95% of all statistics are made up.

202 badsysop  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:23:56am

I knew this would happen if Obama would be the dem nominee. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out, eh?

And if Obama loses, you're going to see the media spin McCain as the "white guy who won by the racist vote" or "America can't accept a black man as president because of racism" which certainly will be lapped up by the pussies in Canada, Euro-land, and everywhere else that wants America to fail.

203 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:23:57am
204 johnnygriswold  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:23:57am

The words "racist" and "bigot" are being flung about so frequently that soon they will lose all meaning. I suppose, too, that I'm a "racist" if I'm not attracted to a black girl... Gimme a break.

Everyone who doesn't agree with me is a racist.

205 lostlakehiker  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:23:58am

Clinton has made the contest about race. In the early going, the vote wasn't as correlated with race. White and black voters were breaking part to her, part to Obama.

She and her husband have played the race card repeatedly. The latest bit about ``hard working people, i.e., white people, '', took the cake. It also took West Virginia.

How to forget Cattlegate and all the rest? How to forget that she can't bring herself to tell the truth even when the truth is right there on tape and she's been called on it repeatedly? (Bosnia 'sniper')? Her answer is to point at Obama and shout the N word. Or the same, in coded language.

206 thedopefishlives  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:24:11am

re: #190 MandyManners

See, you say that, but the reason I said I laugh at myself whenever I think it is because I don't think the Dems are really that smart. I think that they really, truly, honestly believe that they can play the race card and win and that they are still banking on Obama being the Liberal Messiah. I think they're looking at a twofer here: A good speaker with a good message, who happens to be black (so we can take advantage of it to guilt-trip people into voting for him). And sadly, neither of those things is going to pan out for them.

207 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:24:12am
208 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:24:14am
209 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:24:18am

If you'd like to explain to this moronic simpleton why he's wrong, here's his email address: ruben.navarrette@
uniontrib.com.

210 Silhouette  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:24:21am

re: #169 Nevergiveup

But Gee, a blind man ( or woman ) could do better than a 37 any day of the week and twice on Sunday!

To help the kiddies feel better about their rather low bowling scores (we want them not to get discouraged and to like bowling later in life) I invented the rule that you have to bowl your age x 10 to "pass."

Thus the 6-yr-old had to bowl at least 60, the 8-yr-old at least 80, etc. They did.

Obama bowls like a 3-yr-old.

211 laZardo  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:24:24am

re: #198 Squirrelguy

And with this pointing out of a fudged HTML link, I must head to bed. G'night all!

212 ggt  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:24:25am

re: #192 Occasional Reader

It's suppossed to have a strobe effect. I'm not sure it was legal in some states. I'll to the website.

213 Squirrelguy[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:24:46am
214 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:24:49am

re: #176 ggt

Do you know about that SureFire flashlight? There is one that is suppossed to shine a strobe light, temporarly disorienting whoever it is pointed at. I started to research it a few months a back and couldn't get near the rep at NRA show in St. Louis.

It seems like viable alternative for those of us who are not candidates to use firearms.

Yes, there are probably several hundred different SureFire lights, I have several, mounted on various firearms, they have various lumen capacity, the 225 lumen will temprarily blind anyone, just with one quick shot to the eyes, and they make several models that go up to 500 lumens, with aftermarket bulbs that go upwards of a 1000 lumens.

Some of the smaller lights, 60 lumens, 80 lumens, will effectivly temporarily blind omeone, but I like the larger ones, personally.

SureFire lights, are nearly all handheld, with some being either weapon mounted, but they are great lights, and you can find one or several that would suit your needs.

215 gop_patriot  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:25:04am

re: #136 bosforus

I know I'm asking for a lot here, but I wonder what the opinion from the left would be of Obama if he had all of the exact same baggage but was named Mike Smith and was a white guy.

Go Hillary?

/women trump white males in leftist identity politics

216 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:25:07am
217 daledog  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:25:11am

re: #22 lawhawk

I just became a racist for reading your post.

218 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:25:24am
219 MandyManners  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:25:40am

But, elsewhere, as Obama said in a recent interview, people may need to get their head around the concept of an African-American even seeking the presidency, let alone winning it.

220 GreenBear  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:25:45am

re: #95 venezuela lover

re: #42 DaChew
I'm going to vote against his white half. So, it's not racism.

Which part of Obama is racist? The black half or the white half?
Answer: His black half is the source of his racism and those who surround him.

Actually it's his black 1/8, isn't it? Not sure that makes him exactly "black".

I'm 1/8 German, that doesn't make me the Kaiser...

221 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:25:55am

re: #194 ploome hineni

Frankly, he'll be happy to see your letter, and will point to it as evidence.

You, ah, could have done a better job with the letter.

222 MandyManners  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:26:09am
223 saberry0530  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:26:20am

re: #177 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

3. He is a lousy bowler.

A spew warning next time.


DOes anyone know what takes coffee off a LCD monitor?

224 The Other Les  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:26:27am

When your opponent accuses you of being a racist he is admitting that he is wrong.

225 Sharmuta  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:26:32am

re: #182 tfc3rid

Which is how it should be... However, this election is like American Idol... Popularity contest...

I don't see it as American Idol- I see it more like the OJ trial where the race card wasn't going to get played, but was- by the very people who said they wouldn't make it an issue.

This election wasn't going to be about race, but now it is- thanks to the very people who said it shouldn't be an issue.

226 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:26:40am
227 Squirrelguy  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:26:41am

re: #223 saberry0530

3. He is a lousy bowler.

A spew warning next time.


DOes anyone know what takes coffee off a LCD monitor?

Hope? Change?

228 Iron Mike  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:26:44am

This is the opening salvo of what will become the MSM mantra in the run up to the election. And if Obama loses (which I don't think he will), we will hear how racism is alive and well in America, and how we have so far to go yet on race relations.

I would love to hear the MSM take on a conservative black man's run for president. The contortions would be hilarious.

229 MandyManners  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:26:57am

re: #206 thedopefishlives

See, you say that, but the reason I said I laugh at myself whenever I think it is because I don't think the Dems are really that smart. I think that they really, truly, honestly believe that they can play the race card and win and that they are still banking on Obama being the Liberal Messiah. I think they're looking at a twofer here: A good speaker with a good message, who happens to be black (so we can take advantage of it to guilt-trip people into voting for him). And sadly, neither of those things is going to pan out for them.

I don't think the DNC is stupid. Nor do I think that George Soros is stupid.

230 thedopefishlives  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:26:58am

re: #225 Sharmuta

"It's not about race, you racists."

I think that sums it up nicely.

231 kansas  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:27:12am

Hey, if it makes em feel better I'm gonna vote against his white half and for his black half, but I'll vote against his white half first.

232 bombarafat  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:27:32am

ummmmm
How about we don't vote for him because he's a far left lunatic?

233 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:27:35am
234 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:27:40am
235 bosforus  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:27:44am

re: #203 savage_nation

I verify all!

Verify these Cliff Claven words of wisdom if you dare try.

236 AmeriDan  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:27:49am

re: #197 AmeriDan

Savage!

Now give us a Norm type retort to... "How's it going Savage?"

/Waiting

237 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:27:52am

re: #192 Occasional Reader

Surefire home page. They make good, if expensive, products. As for the "temporarily disorienting" part... well, look, they make very bright little flashlights. I'd say, count only on the "temporarily" part. You can only do so much with a flashlight.


I did the temporary blind thing with a 225 lumen light I have, and trust me, it absolutely disorients, for quite some time.

The strobe lights, can literally make a person sick to their stomach.

Practice, practice, practice.

:)

238 ggt  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:27:53am

re: #192 Occasional Reader

I believe it be this one. .

239 kafir  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:28:31am

no my little lefty nutjob, my vote against Mr Obama has nothing to do with the color of his skin, and everything to do with the content of his character. He surrounds himself with bigots, with idiots who cannot call a terrorist a terrorist, who blame defenders of life, liberty, and land as causes of the actions that they must defend against. I vote against him as he cherry picks the worst of all possible advisors, and then doesn't apologize for doing so. I vote against him as his policies border on inane, if not outright stupid. Cancel NAFTA? Puh-leese. I vote against him because he refused to repudiate a group of bigots until it began to harm him ... not because it was the right thing to do.

Notice his skin color has nothing to do with these arguments.

Claiming otherwise is intellectually dishonest. Writing an article about this and publishing it to the world is both dishonest and racist.

My dear lefty nutjob, you never, ever vote for or against a person based upon skin color or ethnicity. To do so, pro or con, is racist.

My dear lefty nutjob, you never, ever implore others to follow your racist lead, as it shows you to be the elitist that you are.

And finally, if skin color is the best argument you can come up with for voting for Mr. Obama, he is going to be seriously whalloped in the general election now, won't he ...

240 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:28:34am

re: #231 kansas

Hey, if it makes em feel better I'm gonna vote against his white half and for his black half, but I'll vote against his white half first.

Well, there are still some Dem primaries, so the "vote early and often" aspect of Chicago politics (and elsewhere, quit shooting me those looks!) may still apply.

241 looking closely  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:28:35am

re: #136 bosforus

I know I'm asking for a lot here, but I wonder what the opinion from the left would be of Obama if he had all of the exact same baggage but was named Mike Smith and was a white guy.

There would no opinion of him.

Because no such individual could have been elected to the Illinois senate in Obama's district.

Any such individual (John Edwards comes to mind) would have been trounced early in the process by H. Clinton.

Strip away the race, and Obama is a senator with less than one term's worth of experience, most of which he's spent running for President, no other national level political experience, and no significant management or executive experience. On his face, he's simply unqualified to hold the office of the Presidency, and that's entirely apart from whatever his actual views/positions are.

242 littleoldlady  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:28:39am

re: #216 ploome hineni

Lieberman came out in support of John McCain the other day. Now the Dems want to take away his toys.

243 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:28:49am

A communist ex-friend told me that rich Bolivians don't like Evo Morales because he's an Indian.
My answer was:
Why, you're a racist, man!. They don't like him because he's a darn Communist. Let that sink in that thick skull of yours.

The situation is practically the same with Obama.
The only ones who see a problem because of his race are...the racists.

244 saberry0530  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:28:50am

re: #227 Squirrelguy

Tried that didn't work now , nor will it ever accomplish anything!

245 DistantThunder  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:28:56am

How is this different than a black guy saying to someone - you won't date me because I'm black? It begins to sound paranoid and narcissistic after a while that the only reason someone won't support Obama is his race.

For those stuck on stupid liberals :

For most of the people I know - it's not about his race - it's everything else: who he is and what he believes.

Character!

246 thedopefishlives  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:29:11am

re: #229 MandyManners

I would disagree. Sure, they have their moments of deviousness, and I have to admit that the plans they lay are rather elaborate. But in this new information age, I don't think they've figured out that we're on to their game and that word is bound to get out sooner or later. The media is not a monopoly like it was back in the Clinton era. It's for this reason that I laugh in the face of the Democrat power-pushers.

247 badsysop  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:29:12am

re: #228 Iron Mike


I would love to hear the MSM take on a conservative black man's run for president. The contortions would be hilarious.

The term "uncle tom" used a dozen times a day in the MSM by black democrats, "hates black people" and "surrounds himself with white folks" being spread via the newswire.

Then they'd look into every aspect of their lives and not let go of even the smallest negative article about something that happened to them...even if it was in 2nd grade. (Pretty much the opposite about Obama).

248 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:30:06am
249 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:30:15am

I am not racist and I am not voting for Obama,

La La La La La La La La

250 Silhouette  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:30:24am

Of course, this whole thread would be written off by them as us "turning ourselves inside out" to excuse what is really our racism.

Facts, smacts, they know the "truth."

251 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:30:25am
252 DistantThunder  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:30:30am

How does a critic know if I have ever supported any other black politician? Would proof of that, prove to them I'm not racist? I didn't think so.

253 Squirrelguy  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:30:44am

re: #244 saberry0530

Tried that didn't work now , nor will it ever accomplish anything!


Didn't think it would.

254 ggt  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:30:50am

re: #214 republic

Thanks, so far I've found two that fit the bill. Deciding is the hard part. I have to find a dealer.

255 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:30:56am

re: #243 MigueldowninMexico

A communist ex-friend told me that rich Bolivians don't like Evo Morales because he's an Indian.
My answer was:
Why, you're a racist, man!. They don't like him because he's a darn Communist.

I would say there's probably a little of both at work.

It's not crazy to point out that there's plenty of racism among the criollo class throughout Latin America.

256 redheadredstate  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:31:05am

Michelle Obama---proof that affirmative action doesn't work!

257 Silhouette  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:31:13am

I'm sick of this. Let's talk about puppies instead.

258 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:31:22am

re: #235 bosforus

Verify these Cliff Claven words of wisdom if you dare try.

John Ratzenberger (Cliff Claven) was on Mark Levin's radio show last week. He's a conservative. He said they NEVER discussed politics on the set because of that barking ignorant moonbat Ted Danson.

259 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:31:29am
260 looking closely  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:31:40am

re: #210 Silhouette

I invented the rule that you have to bowl your age x 10 to "pass."

Sh@#!

Thank goodness I'm not 50!

261 AmeriDan  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:31:41am

{littleoldlady}

{gop_patriot}

{Babba}

262 VegasRick  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:31:57am

What would this asshole be saying if the Repubs were running a Hispanic candidate?

263 NoSubmission  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:32:48am

re: #257 Silhouette

I'm sick of this. Let's talk about puppies instead.


Specist!

264 looking closely  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:32:52am

re: #242 littleoldlady

Lieberman came out in support of John McCain the other day. Now the Dems want to take away his toys.

They already "took away his toys".

Isn't he an independent now?

265 maddogg  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:33:02am
Not voting for Barack Obama is racism.

Juan Williams, while on the Fox Panel during the news yesterday, said basically that ANY Criticism of Obama was being construed by the MSM to be racism. He said it with a sneer, and found it disgusting.

Juan is one of the very few liberals I like, due to his candor and his honesty.

266 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:33:19am

re: #229 MandyManners

I don't think the DNC is stupid. Nor do I think that George Soros is stupid.

They certainly understand how to push their candidates to election MUCH better than the RNC. The fact that Repub presidents keep getting elected is a tribute to Americans. I sincerely, Americans see through Fog-bama come November.

267 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:33:32am

re: #257 Silhouette

I'm sick of this. Let's talk about puppies instead.

Click my avatar! ;~)

268 Spiritualized  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:33:32am
Some want to know why it isn’t racist when 70 percent of African-Americans vote for Obama but it is when 70 percent of whites vote against him.

Yeah well, blacks voting against white Hillary is not only racist but sexist too!

269 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:33:40am

My favorite SureFire light. The dual-setting thing is good, because for most applications (e.g. reading something or looking at an object close to you), you don't want a bizillion lumens - you'll just dazzle yourself.

270 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:33:43am

re: #254 ggt

Thanks, so far I've found two that fit the bill. Deciding is the hard part. I have to find a dealer.

ggt, give eBay a try.

Go to "Sporting Goods", then, in the "search" box, type in, "SureFire".

You'll find over a 1000 different options, just make sure if you buy one, the seller has pretty near 100% positive feedback.

You could find some at half the price of elsewhere.

271 jaunte  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:33:47am

re: #262 VegasRick

Default to the "No True Scotsman" fallacy:
[Link: www.logicalfallacies.info...]

272 BrianA  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:34:05am

Navarrette is working over the "white guilt" complex that liberals so uniformly posses.

273 Silhouette  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:34:06am

re: #260 looking closely

Sh@#!

Thank goodness I'm not 50!

:-)

Obviously, the rule doesn't work after about 10-yrs-old.

But it sure do make a 5-yr-old feel better stop whining when bowling against a bunch of 8-9-yr-olds.

274 NoSubmission  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:34:11am

re: #267 eschew_obfuscation

Click my avatar! ;~)


Very cute. I thought it was a soccer ball before I clicked. :)

275 Paul Atreides  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:34:12am

That's rich coming from the side of the political aisle that is always screeching about their patriotism being questioned.

276 ggt  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:34:14am

re: #257 Silhouette

oooooooooooooooooh, Puppies!

277 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:34:27am
278 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:34:31am

re: #265 maddogg

Juan Williams, while on the Fox Panel during the news yesterday, said basically that ANY Criticism of Obama was being construed by the MSM to be racism. He said it with a sneer, and found it disgusting.

Juan is one of the very few liberals I like, due to his candor and his honesty.

I agree with you.

279 bosforus  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:34:32am

re: #248 savage_nation

LOL! those are almost as nutty as yogiisms.

Ha ha! Yogi only wins because they're real quotes, but he wins by a landslide.

280 littleoldlady  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:34:32am

re: #261 AmeriDan

DAN! :-)

281 firebreather  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:34:38am

re: #216 ploome hineni

Lieberman is under the bus

/where his Democratic psrty threw him

It's the childish mindset of ethnic minorities on the Left; they're entitled to this or that media job, university professorship, firefighter's job, or role in the bureaucracy, etc.

Even the presidency is an entitlement, a set-aside, a quota, reserved for those who are "more equal" than the rest of us.

But they never forward these arguments on behalf of the Michael Steeles, the Clarence Thomases, the Colin Powells of the world. The worst racist vitriol of all is hurled at them.

282 jaunte  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:35:01am

re: #262 VegasRick

What would this asshole be saying if the Repubs were running a Hispanic candidate?

sorry, should have said "Default to the No True Hispanic" fallacy...

283 gop_patriot  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:35:33am

re: #235 bosforus

Verify these Cliff Claven words of wisdom if you dare try.

I like this one:

If you were to go back in history and take every president, you'll find that the numerical value of each letter in their name was equally divisible into the year in which they were elected. By my calculations, our next president has to be named Yellnick McWawa.

Who will win in November '08? There ya go! LOL

284 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:35:51am
285 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:35:56am

re: #255 Occasional Reader

I would say there's probably a little of both at work.

It's not crazy to point out that there's plenty of racism among the criollo class throughout Latin America.

Same with whites in the States.
:)

286 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:36:17am
But, elsewhere, as Obama said in a recent interview, people may need to get their head around the concept of an African-American even seeking the presidency, let alone winning it.

Why, why, why, oh why is it so very difficult for these people to believe that if one does not vote for Obama, perhaps, just perhaps, it has to do with a fundamental disagreement with Obama's politics, his lack of experience, his political philosophy, his own racism, his lack of depth and honesty, and any number of other valid reasons, and NOT racism? Does this writer think that the the only criteria for a vote for President should be to create an historic first black president? Does this writer have no other criteria by which he chooses who he will vote for?

287 gop_patriot  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:36:30am

re: #261 AmeriDan

Hi, Dan!

288 ggt  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:36:31am

re: #269 Occasional Reader

Thanks, I printed that out. It's a good size too.

289 redheadredstate  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:36:38am

# 271 jaunte

That's right use the Scottish as your example.

SCOTTIST!

290 BrianA  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:36:53am

re: #262 VegasRick

What would this asshole be saying if the Repubs were running a Hispanic candidate?

It wouldn't matter if the Republicans nominated a black candidate. Just another Uncle Tom.

291 A.W.  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:37:00am

Race matters, yes, but not in that "i'm not voting for the black guy" kind of way.

Here, let's try a thought experiment. Suppose there were two candidates, one white and one black. And the white guy is best pals with David Duke. So 99.9% of the black people vote for the black guy. Obviously there is a racial component there, but are those black people being racist?

Um, no. They just don't cotton to people who pal around with people who hate them.

Obama has called his grandmother a racist and then a typical white person. his preacher is a racist. if you are a white person, you have to really wonder if this guy is racist toward you. and if you are a small town Pennsylvanian or midwesterner, you have the bonus of having been personally insulted by him.

So you have to think alot of the whites who vote against him vote that way because they suspect he hates them.

Now are there also some white people who also just refuse to vote for a black man? of course. but pretending that this accounts for 100% of the gap is silly.

But we are getting to a point where the obamatrons are now so convinced in the perfection of their messiah, that anyone who denies his perfection is considered morally suspect. its only a short leap from there to say they are all knuckle-dragging racists.

292 MandyManners  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:37:04am

re: #246 thedopefishlives

I would disagree. Sure, they have their moments of deviousness, and I have to admit that the plans they lay are rather elaborate. But in this new information age, I don't think they've figured out that we're on to their game and that word is bound to get out sooner or later. The media is not a monopoly like it was back in the Clinton era. It's for this reason that I laugh in the face of the Democrat power-pushers.

Soros is not stupid.

293 bosforus  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:37:15am

re: #283 gop_patriot

Lol! My favorite is:

A Freudian slip is saying one thing and meaning a mother.
294 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:37:20am

re: #262 VegasRick

What would this asshole be saying if the Repubs were running a Hispanic candidate?

House Mexican?

295 tonysdca  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:37:26am

re: #205 lostlakehiker

One of my kids at age 4 said - "No daddy, I didn't touch the cake," he claimed as the chocolate icing ran from his hair, across his ear and down his neck. He just forgot to say I didn't touch it WITH MY HANDS! We are waiting for a new definition of IS.

296 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:37:32am

Leftism 101

If you are a leftist, and a racist(Obama), then cry racism to try and cover up your own racism.

297 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:37:33am

re: #277 savage_nation

He's a pretty good guy. Classical liberal. I dont see any Commie leanings with him.

He's reasonably okay, by lib standard. I do remember my jaw dropping when I heard him say that the New York Times actually helped the war on terrorism by revealing the wire transfer monitoring program. (Because it "took this tool out of the hands of the terrorists", you see... unbelievable.)

298 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:37:56am
299 VegasRick  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:37:59am

re: #271 jaunte

Default to the "No True Scotsman" fallacy:
[Link: www.logicalfallacies.info...]

Good response.

300 jaunte  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:38:38am

re: #289 redheadredstate

# 271 jaunte

That's right use the Scottish as your example.

SCOTTIST!

What can you expect from a Welshman?

301 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:38:39am

re: #257 Silhouette

I'm sick of this. Let's talk about puppies instead.

I have a black dog and a white dog. The black one is getting on in years and we are just starting to think of a puppy when he's gone. The white dog is a total beaaatch. Completely intolerant of other females. My dilemma is if I deliberately get a male dog, will I be perceived as sexist? And if I get another white dog, will I be perceived as racist?

Wow. Puppy discussions can have so many hidden meanings.

302 littleoldlady  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:38:55am

re: #264 looking closely

They already "took away his toys".

Isn't he an independent now?

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) suggested to a television interviewer late last week that Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) could lose his chairmanship of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.

303 Yankee Division Son  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:38:57am

She's a racist, He's a sexist, wouldn't you like to be a Democrat too?

/Sung to Dr. Pepper theme

304 MandyManners  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:38:57am

re: #266 Russkilitlover

They certainly understand how to push their candidates to election MUCH better than the RNC. The fact that Repub presidents keep getting elected is a tribute to Americans. I sincerely, Americans see through Fog-bama come November.

We will.

305 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:39:02am

This thread is going so fast!

/Dizzy

306 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:39:06am
307 JohnnyReb  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:39:07am

re: #264 looking closely

They already "took away his toys".

Isn't he an independent now?

They let him keep all of his committe seats. That knucklehead (he is my senator) keeps voting the Dem way. Once again he voted to keep the ANNWR out of bounds for oil drilling. This was after he turned independent and promised to open that darn place up for drilling. Plus don't get me started on his "gorebull warming" plan. He is and always has been a far left kool-aid drinker no matter what he says.

308 coquimbojoe  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:39:11am

re: #243 MigueldowninMexico

A communist ex-friend told me that rich Bolivians don't like Evo Morales because he's an Indian.
My answer was:
Why, you're a racist, man!. They don't like him because he's a darn Communist. Let that sink in that thick skull of yours.

The situation is practically the same with Obama.
The only ones who see a problem because of his race are...the racists.

Good Morning Miguel! How are things?

309 AmeriDan  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:39:17am

re: #259 savage_nation

I'm stumped. I'm not on top of my game today, I've been dodging tornado weather out here in Kentucky.

A little help for you...

Q: How's it going Savage?

A: If tornados are dogs, I'm wearing milkbone underwear.

I can joke about this because I'm in the same line of storms as you.

Let's just hold on tight.

310 Silhouette  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:39:35am

re: #291 A.W.

In you first example, race isn't a factor, racism is. THey don't want to vote for a racist.

Neither do I.

311 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:39:49am

re: #292 MandyManners

Soros is not stupid.

I disagree, if Soros were not stupid, he'd be on the side of Good, not the side of evil, which he has always been on.

He's a Jew, and he turned fellow Jews over to the Nazi's in WWII.

The man is driven 100% by evil.

He is stupid.

312 Peter Griffin  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:39:58am

They will over-play the race card and lose to a pair of deuces.

313 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:39:59am
314 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:40:08am

re: #306 savage_nation

Are enchiladas on the menu? I love enchiladas!

LOL
Sure! Mole, green, read and Swiss enchiladas ;)

315 thedopefishlives  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:40:41am

re: #292 MandyManners

I suppose I agree with you in a sense, but I'm still not afraid of him or his money. I guess my flaw is that, like Rush, I still believe in the fundamental goodness and intelligence of America at large.

316 coquimbojoe  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:40:43am

re: #314 MigueldowninMexico

LOL
Sure! Mole, green, read and Swiss enchiladas ;)

Huitlacoche? Escamoles?

317 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:40:58am

re: #308 coquimbojoe

Good Morning Miguel! How are things?

Good morning Joe!

/Just had a dramamine for the dizziness, caused by the velocity of this thread lol

318 maddogg  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:41:01am

re: #294 MigueldowninMexico

House Mexican?

Thats pretty funny Miguel:)

319 ggt  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:41:29am
320 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:41:36am

re: #313 savage_nation

You are an infidel since dogs are haraam and you must DIE!


Try and tell that to our cats.

:D

321 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:41:36am

re: #316 coquimbojoe

Huitlacoche? Escamoles?


Chicken enchiladas.
Budget is tight you know?

322 MandyManners  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:41:42am

re: #311 republic

I disagree, if Soros were not stupid, he'd be on the side of Good, not the side of evil, which he has always been on.

He's a Jew, and he turned fellow Jews over to the Nazi's in WWII.

The man is driven 100% by evil.

He is stupid.

Evil does not equate with stupidity.

323 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:41:49am

re: #318 maddogg

Thats pretty funny Miguel:)

;)

325 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:41:53am
326 AmeriDan  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:42:07am

re: #280 littleoldlady

DAN! :-)

No {hug}?

/AmeriDan wipes away tears

327 MandyManners  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:42:13am

re: #315 thedopefishlives

I suppose I agree with you in a sense, but I'm still not afraid of him or his money. I guess my flaw is that, like Rush, I still believe in the fundamental goodness and intelligence of America at large.

That's not a flaw at all.

328 looking closely  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:42:15am

re: #248 savage_nation

LOL! those are almost as nutty as yogiisms.

The difference is that the Yogiisms are sincere, where as the Clavenisms are scripted.

To my mind Yogis remarks reflect a sort of wisdom filtered through a very limited formal education (I think Berra never even made it to high school).

My favorite is "you can observe a lot just by watching". So true.

329 redheadredstate  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:42:21am

re # 257 Silhouette

I'm sick of this. Let's talk about puppies instead

My dog Zippy is half black half white and has a really nasty attitude. Do you think it's because his black side is warring with his white side?

330 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:42:44am

re: #322 MandyManners

Evil does not equate with stupidity.

It does when a person doesn't consider what happens in the end.

331 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:42:45am

re: #285 MigueldowninMexico

Same with whites in the States.
:)

My sweeping generalization? Racism is a lot more mainstreamed in most of Latin America than in the US. E.g., Alejandro Toledo in Peru did a good job with the economy (left it much better than he found it), but was roundly despised by white Peruvians, and disparagingly called "el cholo" even in prominent newsmagazines. This would be the rough equivalent of Newsweek calling Obama a "n***ger". And you're not going to see that here.

332 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:42:59am

Littleoldlady
The GOP is the best place for Lieberman to be.
Actually, he's even needed over there :)

333 MandyManners  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:43:09am

re: #330 republic

It does when a person doesn't consider what happens in the end.

I think that is hubris.

334 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:43:14am

Marxism is a race?

335 Ojoe  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:43:20am

Bogus. I vote for competence not melanin.

Otherwise let's get some melanin, pour it on the desk in the oval office and it will magically make wise decisions

336 maddogg  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:43:39am

re: #329 redheadredstate

re # 257 Silhouette

I'm sick of this. Let's talk about puppies instead

My dog Zippy is half black half white and has a really nasty attitude. Do you think it's because his black side is warring with his white side?

It's cause you gave him a crappy nome like "Zippy". :)

337 thedopefishlives  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:43:44am

re: #334 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Same as Islam is a race, I guess.

338 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:43:45am

re: #333 MandyManners

I think that is hubris.

That's fine.

339 Ornery Potlicker  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:43:50am

Racism... the new black!

;p

340 ggt  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:44:01am

re: #320 republic

My Cat Overlord would take objection to that. I won't tell him. Lucky for you he is not, currently, looking over my shoulder. I think he is at the top of the closet in the easy-chair I created for him out of angora sweaters.

341 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:44:08am

re: #316 coquimbojoe

Huitlacoche?

The first time someone pointed to huitlacoche and recommended that I eat it, my reaction was "you've got to be f***g kidding me".

I ended up devouring the entire dish, of course. Great stuff. Mexican truffle!

342 looking closely  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:44:11am

re: #286 reine.de.tout

Why, why, why, oh why is it so very difficult for these people to believe that if one does not vote for Obama, perhaps, just perhaps, it has to do with a fundamental disagreement with Obama's politics, etc

Of course he doesn't *actually* believe that.

He's simply trying to "guilt" you into voting for Obama.

343 littleoldlady  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:44:21am

re: #326 AmeriDan

No {hug}?

/AmeriDan wipes away tears

Veh iz mir

{[{[{DAN!}]}]}

344 Anthony (Los Angeles)  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:44:25am

Jeez, this is disappointing. Ruben usually writes some pretty intelligent columns. He must swooned at one too many Obama rallies.

345 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:44:56am

re: #331 Occasional Reader

My sweeping generalization? Racism is a lot more mainstreamed in most of Latin America than in the US. E.g., Alejandro Toledo in Peru did a good job with the economy (left it much better than he found it), but was roundly despised by white Peruvians, and disparagingly called "el cholo" even in prominent newsmagazines. This would be the rough equivalent of Newsweek calling Obama a "n***ger". And you're not going to see that here.

Well that's not the case in Mexico, by far.
Perhaps down there yes.

Still, I don't approve of race being used as a whining strategy to overcome your racial enemy. The whiners are very racist too.
;)

346 The Other Les  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:45:06am

re: #322 MandyManners

Evil does not equate with stupidity.

The last time I checked definitions Evil was being harmful to others while Stupid was just hurting yourself.

347 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:45:09am

re: #313 savage_nation

You are an infidel since dogs are haraam and you must DIE!

Whew! Well that solves my dilemma, then and least I can avoid be labeled Racist or Sexist! LOL!

348 littleoldlady  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:45:24am

re: #332 MigueldowninMexico

Littleoldlady
The GOP is the best place for Lieberman to be.
Actually, he's even needed over there :)

Miguelito! :-)

I dunno. Shouldn't there be even a FEW good Democrats?

349 looking closely  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:45:25am

re: #334 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Marxism is a race?

Sure.
Ironically enough, whomever gets to the finish line loses.

350 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:45:53am

re: #340 ggt

My Cat Overlord would take objection to that. I won't tell him. Lucky for you he is not, currently, looking over my shoulder. I think he is at the top of the closet in the easy-chair I created for him out of angora sweaters.

We have a house full of cats, a new puppy(shitzu/poodle), and the cats are not ammused that we brought a puppy home.

351 Ben Hur  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:46:13am

re: #331 Occasional Reader

My sweeping generalization? Racism is a lot more mainstreamed in most of Latin America than in the US. E.g., Alejandro Toledo in Peru did a good job with the economy (left it much better than he found it), but was roundly despised by white Peruvians, and disparagingly called "el cholo" even in prominent newsmagazines. This would be the rough equivalent of Newsweek calling Obama a "n***ger". And you're not going to see that here.

Racism is a lot more mainstreamed all over the world than in the US.

352 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:46:42am

re: #348 littleoldlady

Miguelito! :-)

I dunno. Shouldn't there be even a FEW good Democrats?

Liberman is one of them. LoL
/Was one of them?
;)

353 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:46:52am

And now I'm all hungry for (non-available) huitlacoche. Damn you, CoquimoJoe!
Lunch.

354 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:46:53am

re: #346 The Other Les

The last time I checked definitions Evil was being harmful to others while Stupid was just hurting yourself.

The lefts ideas are stupid and they hurt millions.

355 ggt  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:47:14am

re: #350 republic

You are brave!

One of my friends has a 20 lb cat and a yorkipoo. The cat is nearly 3x bigger than the dog. He is old and ignores everyone. Took a while for the dog to figure that out.

356 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:47:20am
357 David Simon  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:47:26am

re: #341 Occasional Reader

The first time someone pointed to huitlacoche and recommended that I eat it, my reaction was "you've got to be f***g kidding me".

I ended up devouring the entire dish, of course. Great stuff. Mexican truffle!

Ever tried gusanos de maguey?

[Link: www.bigoven.com...]

358 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:48:02am
359 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:48:21am

re: #345 MigueldowninMexico

Well that's not the case in Mexico, by far.

There's always the faint possibility that you know Mexico better than I do...

:P

I would also make a fairly big exception for Brazil. It's not that there's no racism there, but it's not as in-your-face as in other parts of S. America, and it's a lot more complex.

360 redheadredstate  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:48:26am

#336 maddog

He got the name Zippy because we were going to get two dogs. He was going to be Zippity and the other Doo-Dah. Let's just say that Zippy doesn't play well with others and that if we had been stupid enough to get Doo-Dah today his name would be Hamburger!

361 Ben Hur  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:48:26am

If there was a Jewish candidate with the same beliefs as Baruch, I wouldn't vote for him/her.

Sure, there are some that wouldn't vote for a Jew (how do you think Gore really lost? ;) ), but I wouldn't claim that all Republicans are anti-Semites because of it.

362 doppelganglander  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:48:28am

I'm so tired of this shit. One of the first votes I ever cast was for a black man. He was my middle school science teacher and he was running for re-election to the Township Committee. A couple of years earlier, during his first run, I worked on his campaign. He was a fine man and served well, including a couple of years as mayor (chosen by the Township Committee from among its members, not elected independently). RIP Mr. Cherry.

363 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:48:52am

re: #355 ggt

You are brave!

One of my friends has a 20 lb cat and a yorkipoo. The cat is nearly 3x bigger than the dog. He is old and ignores everyone. Took a while for the dog to figure that out.

Oh, there's a "yip" every once in a while, but for the most part, they are all adapting.

364 ackomanyuki  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:49:38am

My wife dated an American of african heritage as an undergrad. I dated an Ethiopian girl who's mother was Italian (yowzaa!) while in Israel. We are both West Virginia natives raised in major metropolitan areas by our military serving entrepreneurial parents. We voted for Hillary in the Pennsylvania primary. We will vote against any Dem in the general election. We hate Commies, tyrants in general, and, we are preparing our children to fight them in the future, regardless of the color of their skin or cultural heritage.

365 sh007r  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:49:57am

92%!
NINETY-TWO PERCENT!
I think voting FOR B. Hussein is racist.

366 Paul Atreides  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:50:31am
Whew! Well that solves my dilemma, then and least I can avoid be labeled Racist or Sexist! LOL!

The thing about it is, you are still a racist/sexist even if you do vote for Hopebama/Cacklery.

367 AuntAcid  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:50:36am

"I don't like you because you're going to get me killed!"

368 republic  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:50:52am

re: #365 sh007r

92%!
NINETY-TWO PERCENT!
I think voting FOR B. Hussein is racist.


Great point, they are voting for Obama because he is not white.

Racists!

369 Iron Fist  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:52:03am

re: #73 wordwarp,

Nope. Remember, the multicultis follow the "One Drop" rule. But don't accuse them of being racists.

370 coquimbojoe  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:52:12am

re: #321 MigueldowninMexico

Yeah, I know...

371 Stringart  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:52:29am
Meanwhile, some white Americans are turning themselves inside out to come up with excuses for why they’re not supporting Obama.

That's quite true - you can say something about some people and be accurate. Whether you're accurate about the larger group is doubtful.

As a Canadian, I'm not really following this campaign (although I admit that I want BHO to get the nomination as he seems more beatable than HRC) but from what I've read online, everyone who is not swooning over Obama has reasonable objections based on his words and deeds. Race has not been a factor.

Come to think of it, the only people bringing up his race are his supporters.

372 David Simon  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:53:05am
The answer has to do with history. Over the decades, black Americans have had plenty of opportunities to vote for white people for president. And they have done so. But this is the first time that white Americans have a chance to vote for an African-American with a shot at the presidency. And what are they doing?

In other words, if you don't treat the most important job in the country like any other "affirmative action" experiment, you're a bigot.

373 AmeriDan  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:53:07am

re: #325 savage_nation

I'm gonna leave Franklin KY in a few minutes and shut it down in Olive Branch MS. I have to take my 10 hr break ter and if all goes welll, I'll be in Houston about noon or 1pm tomorrow.

Where are you and how crappy is it where you are?

When you get to Olive Branch, you will be about one and a half hours drivetime southeast of me.

Weather is good so far, but by the time you can drive again, major thunderstorms and flash flooding.

I have to leave for work in a few hours, but the next time you have a layover around here, dinner is on me.

374 ackomanyuki  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:53:25am

PIMF: Should have said, "respective military serving entrepreneurial parents"

No, I did not marry my sister, despite my geographic orgin.

375 debutaunt  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:53:28am

re: #37 lawhawk

And Shirley Chisholm had run for President as well. In 1972! And she won 152 delegates.

Did George Wallace, the white bigot, get many delegates?

376 firebreather  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:53:48am

Ruben Navarette believes that a Utopian future awaits planet earth as soon as all the gringos are dead.

He's a La Raza plant, a Latino separatist, an amnesty advocate who believes any & all border enforcement measures are racist, an advocate of Latino gangs that terrorize Los Angeles & other redoubts of the Southwest, etc.

So with this mind-set, it's clear how he ended up working in the American media.

377 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:54:21am
378 gymnast  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:54:50am

Just this morning my Man, The Reverend Al was askin' how come he never gets articles from the MSM where they crawl up his ass like they do Obama's. I had to explain to Al that Obama is is an Ivy Leaguer, and that "journalists" just love the way Obama talks and says nothing so they can put whatever words they choose as coming from Obama's mouth. Al caught on pretty quick, cause he said, "the press can take an empty suit and stuff it full of whatever shit it wants to as long as it looks like it smells sweet".

379 debutaunt  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:54:54am

re: #43 billhedrick

There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch

...Nigel Powers

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

380 badsysop  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:57:09am

re: #371 Stringart

I agree. His words and deeds are enough to dismiss him...especially for anyone who has voted republican in the past.

Obama is a gun grabbing liberal with a track record to prove it via Illinois politics (IL is one of only a small handful of states where legal residents cannot carry a concealed weapon with a permit).

Obama is an anti-death penalty soft on crime liberal. (Big surprise with the D after his last name? I think not.)

Obama is likely to be a tax and spend marxist who is going to tax those who make money to support those who don't.

I'm sure there are a dozen other reasons not to vote for Obama. I'd like to actually have a reason to vote FOR him other than to "appease those who hate us".

381 AmeriDan  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:57:32am

re: #343 littleoldlady

Veh iz mir

{[{[{DAN!}]}]}

That's what I'm talking 'bout!

WoOt!

382 alegrias  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:57:56am

re: #228 Iron Mike

This is the opening salvo of what will become the MSM mantra in the run up to the election. And if Obama loses (which I don't think he will), we will hear how racism is alive and well in America, and how we have so far to go yet on race relations.

I would love to hear the MSM take on a conservative black man's run for president. The contortions would be hilarious.

* * *
Alan Keyes could barely get air time, as a conservative, Catholic black. But he won big in Utah's primary years back, in that conservative state.

383 XMarine  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:58:20am

Who was it that made the pithy comment regarding the lack of choice the democrats have, "Choice between a bitch married to a lawyer and a lawyer married to a bitch."

384 Conspirator  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:58:56am

re: #36 redheadredstate

Typical tactic of the left. You don't agree with our agenda then you are a racist, homophobic, bigoted, (insert your description here) right wing nutter. I'll say again, if Alan Keys, Michael Steele, Thomas Sole Sowell, Walter Williams, Condi Rice or my neighbor Lee ( a real standup guy) were to run for POTUS I not only would vote for any one of them but would help run their campaigns. It isn't the skin pigmentation, it's the thought orientation---hey how bout that for a bumper sticker?

Fixed. And I'd vote for a black conservative, too.

As far as I'm concerned, people who try to use white guilt to bully others like Navarrette does can go do the same impossible act Cheney told Leahy to do.

385 rcris5  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:00:17am

This is an answer to prayer. If these race-pimping clowns stay on message, the blowback will be an O'bomber defeat of epic proportions. The only votes he will get will be from the Koslings, his wife and the black identity crowd.

386 alegrias  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:00:50am

re: #286 reine.de.tout

Why, why, why, oh why is it so very difficult for these people to believe that if one does not vote for Obama, perhaps, just perhaps, it has to do with a fundamental disagreement with Obama's politics, his lack of experience, his political philosophy, his own racism, his lack of depth and honesty, and any number of other valid reasons, and NOT racism? Does this writer think that the the only criteria for a vote for President should be to create an historic first black president? Does this writer have no other criteria by which he chooses who he will vote for?

* * *
Alan Keyes has been there and done that already, but as a conservative, got little coverage by the liberal MSM that ignored the hirstoric precedent, because they disagreed with a conservative black man.

Obama is apparently ignorant of this fact though he competed against Alan Keyes for his senate job in 2004. That's just wrong, to wash over someone he personally knew ran for president before he did.

387 Maltboy!  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:01:09am

Color me racist.

388 Stringart  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:01:11am

re: #377 ploome hineni

really, all one has to say, is that my voting is private, that is why the curtain is drawn in the voting booth

the MSM count on people who want their five seconds of fame

I never respond to surveys or media

C'mon, where's the fun in that? When surveyed, lie. Lie about your sex, age, income, favourite breakfast cereal, movie and politician.

Maybe once everyone starts lying to pollsters and marketers and the results become so obviously skewed, they'll find real work and stop annoying us. :)

389 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:02:13am
390 Iron Fist  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:02:18am

The Obamanation must be freaking about West Virginia if this is coming out now. We always knew that it would come down to them calling everyone who didn't vote for Obama a racist. That was a given. But to do it now, six months from the actual vote, smacks of desparation.

Six months of "You are a racist if you don't support the Obamessiah" is going to get old. People are going to say "Is that all you've got?" and Obama is going to have to say "Yes".

I liked the comment above about voting against his white half. I suspect a lot of people are going to feel that way.

391 redheadredstate  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:02:33am

#384 Conspirator

Appreciate the correction. Must have been a Freudian slip cause Sowell does have soul..or is that racist to say? ;o)

392 NR Pax  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:03:23am
There are places in this country where white Americans are still raised to think of black Americans as inferior.

Yes there are. And there are places where white Americans would get killed for walking down the street just because of their skin color. Mr. Navarrete, you should probably stretch before you pick up that broad brush again.

393 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:03:28am
394 Cygnus  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:04:30am

re: #257 Silhouette

I'm sick of this. Let's talk about puppies instead.

Puppies! Yay!

395 Eowyn2  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:05:13am

Border Security - Racist
Wekfare Reform - Racist
Anti - Abortion -racist
Anti - Islamic Terrorist - racist

voting for any of the above -implies racism
Voting for anyone who advocates any of the above - serious racism


How can NOT voting for someone whose ideals are completely disparate than mine make me a racist.

396 debutaunt  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:07:07am

re: #146 Silhouette

Let's all stop lying. They're's on to us. We can throw out excuses, but everyone knows why we don't like Obama. We're not fooling anybody.

We might as well admit it...

It's his bowling score.

Stop clinging to his lame bowling score. It just proves that he is too elite to bowl.

397 sojerofgod  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:08:26am

So lemme see if I got this straight: IF you are a Typical White Person and live east of the Mississippi River then you are a defacto racist because you didn't vote for Obama. Period. The fact that you don't agree with his philosophy, proposed policy or his scuzzy friends is irrelevant.

Ok, Color me racist.

398 Cygnus  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:08:27am

re: #284 savage_nation

yes!

I need insulin after that one. Tooooooo cute!

399 Paul Atreides  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:08:31am

Just think: if Obama loses, the media will spend an entire year (at least) on how racist America is; if he wins, they will spend the same amount of time crowing about how he beat the odds against racist America.

If we all thought that the DemoKos Party became unhinged after 2000, just wait until John McCain wins the presidency.

400 Sabnen  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:08:48am

re: #383 XMarine

Who was it that made the pithy comment regarding the lack of choice the democrats have, "Choice between a bitch married to a lawyer and a lawyer married to a bitch."

It was a Danish (as in Denmark) take on the US Presidential election.

You forgot the part about the Democratic Lawyers Trust running against a War Hero who is married to a Big Breasted woman who also has a big interest in Beer Bottling.

401 CIA Reject  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:08:56am

re: #322 MandyManners

Evil does not equate with stupidity.

He is cunning in the short run, and foolish in the long run...

402 Chuck Pelto  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:08:59am

TO: All
RE: Only the Sith....

"Not voting for Barack Obama is racism." -- Navarrette, as paraphrased by Charles Johnson

.....speak in such absolutes.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

403 sojerofgod  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:09:41am

re: #394 Cygnus

Are they good with mustard?

404 philipp  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:09:52am
The answer has to do with history.


This is the most stupid answer I ever read. Rotatin' title, Charles!

405 Kalak  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:14:37am

Condi Rice is black. Clarence Thomas is black.

I would gladly vote for a qualified black Republican. I don't see race, just qualifications.

I will not vote for a Marxist who wants us to bow before our enemies, who wants to disarm us, who wants to punish us for being successful.

That's racist?

406 debutaunt  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:14:48am

re: #164 Catttt

My parents taught me not to judge people by the color of their skin. They taught me to be analytical and observant.

Hence, I voted for Michael Steele for senator - I wish he had won.

Hence, I will not be voting for Senator Obama, assuming he is the nominee (it's not over 'til it's over). I hope he doesn't win.

Bigotry is stupid. If you hate a person who happens to be white and you spread your hatred to all white people, well, the hatred just get too darned diffused.

407 Ward Cleaver  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:16:28am

Navarrette, I don't like you, or Obama. Asshole.

408 srw  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:17:29am
Meanwhile, some white Americans are turning themselves inside out to come up with excuses for why they’re not supporting Obama.

Nah, opposing Jimmy Carter's second term is easy.

409 Paul Atreides  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:17:49am

re: #395 Eowyn2

You forgot:

White and still breathing - racist

410 Cygnus  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:18:41am

re: #324 Ben Hur

Video: Jew-hating rabbit reminisces with grandpa about place that never existed

I have to watch these with the sound off because their voices give me a headache. Don't they ever talk in normal tones? And yes, Grandpa, you are senile.

411 addison  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:19:33am

What a pure distillation of modern Leftism this piece was. As a member of an ideology obsessed with group identity and the refutation of individualism, it is inconceivable that one can have value differences with Obama. No, to be against him is to be against his group--Blacks. Funny how a mulatto is de facto "Black" in today's world.

I look almost like Obama. He could be my older brother or a first cousin. That written, there is not a chance I would ever--ever--vote for him...ever. Values and positions matter to me, not skin color.

Every day I weep inside when I realize the party that claims to carry the torch of civil rights and Martin Luther King's Dream is obsessed with race identity and uses skin color as a bludgeon against which spineless whites wilt...and the worst part is they get away with it day after day, month after month, year after year. They destroy inner cities with their horrific social policies and Blacks vote for them in droves. The imagery of lemmings running off a precipice to bring about their own doom is so apt as to be frightening. These same Blacks who share, almost to a man, no social values in common with the political Left (e.g., same-sex marriage, school vouchers, prayer in school, illegal immigration) vote lock-step in a 'Yes, Massa' fashion.

It's the new plantation where the fetters are self-imposed and borne of ignorance and media obfuscation. History will look upon today's Left as a racist demagogic entity completely undeserving of even a modicum of respect--not that I have any for it.

412 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:21:59am
413 Cygnus  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:22:27am

re: #329 redheadredstate

re # 257 Silhouette

I'm sick of this. Let's talk about puppies instead

My dog Zippy is half black half white and has a really nasty attitude. Do you think it's because his black side is warring with his white side?

She's like those guys on Star Trek that were half black and half white. Always fighting each other.

414 2SoonOld2LateSmart  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:22:54am

I don't like sushi.

Does that make me a sushist?

415 funky chicken  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:23:48am
But this is the first time that white Americans have a chance to vote for an African-American with a shot at the presidency. And what are they doing?

Many are responding quite well.

Holy Shiite. I can't believe they are using this tactic in the primary. I expected them to sit on it until September and October.

416 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:25:19am
417 galloping granny  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:26:10am

Barrack Hussein Obama is every bit as much "white" as I am. I just happened to get blonde hair and blue eyes instead of a tan. He has no knowledge of economics or the military, no real word experience at anything other than "community organizing" and as far as I can tell has never held a job other than as a lawyer. He has proven that he does not even know how many states make up the United States of America, refused to wear a flag pin before he put one back on and has ties to numerous shady & even traitorous characters over decades. He is not honest about many things, not least of which is his religion, whichever one it may truly be. And that is just the tip of the iceberg.

I am not refusing to vote for Obama because I am a racist. I am refusing to vote for Obama because he is not qualified to be President.

418 Muadib  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:26:42am

I will not vote for Obama because he is a Marxist.

A good man like Thomas Sowell would get my vote. It's all about principle, not color.

419 funky chicken  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:27:41am

re: #390 Iron Fist

The Obamanation must be freaking about West Virginia if this is coming out now. We always knew that it would come down to them calling everyone who didn't vote for Obama a racist. That was a given. But to do it now, six months from the actual vote, smacks of desparation.

Six months of "You are a racist if you don't support the Obamessiah" is going to get old. People are going to say "Is that all you've got?" and Obama is going to have to say "Yes".

I liked the comment above about voting against his white half. I suspect a lot of people are going to feel that way.

Yeah, 100% agree with your comment, and I'm shocked to see them losing their cool like this.

420 galloping granny  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:29:57am

re: #405 Kalak

Condi Rice is black. Clarence Thomas is black.

I would gladly vote for a qualified black Republican. I don't see race, just qualifications.

I will not vote for a Marxist who wants us to bow before our enemies, who wants to disarm us, who wants to punish us for being successful.

That's racist?

Colin Powell is black and HE ran for President - as a Democrat. People voted for him. Obama is not the first black presidential candidate to come down the pike.

421 samson01  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:30:15am

First time I have posted since registering some time ago.
This is not about race! I would not vote for him if he we
blond haired and blue eyed. It is about his politics and the company
he keeps, period!

422 nikis-knight  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:34:20am

Don't forget, all these racists he's talking about are voters in the democratic primary.
Sure, it will be said in november as well, and is being deployed now as intimidation, but savor for the moment democrats screaming baseless accusations at each other.
If someone brings this up, just tell them, "Well, of course I'm not surprised that every democrat is either sexist or racist!"

423 offendi  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:34:36am

This article is so funny, on so many PC levels.

Are you sure it isn't really Carlos Mencia punk'in CNN?

To summarize it as I understand it, there is no individual voting choice, but have to affirmative-action select a President. Constitution re-written?

424 harley2002  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:35:28am

I'm not voting for Obama because

1 He is a liar
2 He is incompetent
3 He hates his country
4 Because he is a Marxist
5 Because he is probably a racist

Don't care what color he is. This race crap is already getting old. But then again he will probably win as after the senile MCcains rant about global warming the other day I can't vote for him either. Better to have a real Democrat screw up the country then a McCain who says he is Republican but is a Democrat.

425 Kalak  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:40:53am

re: #424 harley2002

I'm not voting for Obama because

1 He is a liar
2 He is incompetent
3 He hates his country
4 Because he is a Marxist
5 Because he is probably a racist

Don't care what color he is. This race crap is already getting old. But then again he will probably win as after the senile MCcains rant about global warming the other day I can't vote for him either. Better to have a real Democrat screw up the country then a McCain who says he is Republican but is a Democrat.

I can't agree. McCain would be four years of stupid. Surviveable, but stupid.

But America as we know it would not survive an Obama presidency.

426 samson01  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:41:19am

re: #424 harley2002

Don't like McCain either. But I just can't cast a vote for Hillary.

427 txcamper  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:41:58am

If the 70% of whites that don't vote Obama are racist, are the 30% of African-Americans that don't vote Obama going to be called Uncle Toms?
The Obama campaign should be worried about their policies and positions and NOT skin color.

428 sideways  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:44:30am

CNN has a couple of absolutely terrible writers doing commentaries (including Navarrette)

429 Paul Atreides  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:45:14am

re: #428 sideways


Only two?

430 sideways  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:46:05am

I can only remember two people doing them on the website. Quite possible I missed a gaggle

431 David Simon  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:49:37am

re: #420 galloping granny

Colin Powell is black and HE ran for President - as a Democrat. People voted for him. Obama is not the first black presidential candidate to come down the pike.

Huh?

Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton ran. When did Colin Powell run?

432 adragonknowsbest  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:51:31am

re: #209 Bob in Breckenridge

Thanks man. I gave that fruit a piece of my mind. Everyone should email this guy. Let's blow up his inbox. I must admit though, I played the part of a disenfranchised Democrat who had lost faith in the Democratic party. A party where everyone believes the same things, and only things like sex and race matter, and where candidates are too afraid to debate because it is not politically expedient. The email address again is ruben.navarrette@uniontrib.com. And of course I ended my little email by proving to this propagandist that it was indeed himself who is the racist. I did in the nicest way I could and I feel like I did my good deed for the day :)

433 Steffan  Wed, May 14, 2008 10:52:18am

re: #54 coquimbojoe

Wasn't the Klan known as the armed wing of the Democratic party?

Nathan Bedford Forrest was a staunch Democrat.

For that matter, Woodrow Wilson loved the movie Birth of a Nation, which featured the Klan in a very positive way. That's what sparked the revival of the Klan.... people were acting out what they saw on the screen like any other fanboys.

434 EE  Wed, May 14, 2008 11:07:36am

Barack Hussein Obama's main qualification for the job, according to Navarette, is that he isn't white. What other significant qualifications does he have? He is a newcomer, a freshman senator who started running for the presidency after only 18 months in office. He is not a uniter; his record is the most extreme leftist of any senator, and he has never reached across the aisle on any matter of significance. He has no record of achievement, in any field. The Pastorgate coverup shows that he is a big liar, changing his story often concerning his 20 year relationship to the raving racist anti-American looney Jeremiah Wright. He has no integrity, and no character, having subjected his children to the ravings of Jeremiah Wright. We know nothing about him apart from his choice of associates, including the raving racist Wright, the fixer Tony Rezko, and the unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers. He has incredible arrogance, presenting himself as a messiah, with his "We are the ones we have been waiting for", and he is a charlatan and a huckster of unspecified "change".

The presidency now is the most powerful position in America, in the world, and probably in all history. We are embarking on dangerous times, with a determined enemy involving the global jihad. This position is not an affirmative action job, and the candidate has to have more qualifications than just a nice skin. According to Navarette, that is the only qualification that is important for Navarette. But millions of Americans know that this very powerful position requires somebody with the character, the integrity, the experience, and the judgment, to get the trust of the public -- and Barack Hussein Obama doesn't have it.

Obama is a newbie. Isn't there some other job that he can try first, just to show that he is more than an empty suit?

435 OLDPUPPYMAX  Wed, May 14, 2008 11:18:36am

"70 % of black voters" for Obama? Where did he have such an anemic showing? Remarkable how the left has to change the facts even to make a nonsensical argument!

436 sickboy  Wed, May 14, 2008 11:20:22am
#58 NoSubmission

But what if a black person doesn't want to vote for Obama?

Uncle Tom?

437 sickboy  Wed, May 14, 2008 11:23:51am

re: #430 sideways

Roland Martin and Ruben Navertte. Two flamin' racists.

438 maninthemiddle  Wed, May 14, 2008 11:27:51am

Although I have seen from him some brief moments of lucid thought, Ruben Navarrette Jr. prefers to hang his intellectual shingle on the premise that Americans are xenophobic racists.

His usual rant is how mystified he is that evil white Americans have a problem with up to 20,000,000 illegal residents from Mexico - as if 20,000,000 Ukrainians or Estonians (if there were so many) would not also be a point of consternation.

The facts - and they are facts -
(1) that legal immigration does not seem to be problematic with most Americans,
(2) that it is a canard that illegals "pay their way" (instead costing billions in social services), and
(3) that political opportunists have ensured an environment where Mexican immigrants assimilate and achieve financially more slowly than immigrants from other countries (and as I said, I believe this is not purely the fault of the Mexican immigrants, but due to the construct of being illegal combined with the politics of victimology).

Now he extends his racist range.

Frankly, myself and those with whom I speak could care nary a whit that Obama is black. We do care that:
1. He was very tight with an avowed anti-American racist for 20-years.
2. His early years mentor was a Marxist.
3. His political career launch was assisted by an anti-American who is also an unrepentant terrorist.
4. His campaign advisers are littered with anti-Israel and pro-Islamist characters.
5. His policies reek of unattainable wishes versus realities.
6. He consistently makes factual errors.
7. He has never, from my readings, "reached across the aisle" - so forget the uniter meme.
8. He is, do to his obvious inexperience, likely 4 years or even 8 years early in his quest.

Now - Obama supporters can (and should) be able to debate on each of the above points... and Obama himself should well be able to respond without feeling that being so questioned is below him.

Regardless - the points are what they are - and have nothing to do with ethnicity.

Anyone who suggests otherwise, might themselves be showing a tinge of bigotry.

439 hrhamilton  Wed, May 14, 2008 11:36:48am

I personally have always looked at others as the person they are, even when I was a youngster and knew nothing about rascism. Now, I am getting so tired of people pulling the race card and accusing me of being a rascist for one reason or another that I no longer care. You want to call me a racist? Fine. I do not care. What I would worry about, if I were all these fine liberals, is the number of people who will use that as an excuse to be racist.

I will insist that the liberal crowd is way more racist than any of my conservative buddies, who for the most part are loving Christians.

440 Chuck Pelto  Wed, May 14, 2008 11:42:25am

TO: David Simon
RE: Powell for Pres?!?!

"When did Colin Powell run?" -- David Simon

He never did, best I can recollect.

Probably because his involvement with Gulf War Syndrome; as Chief of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, he ordered the inoculations.....without proper testing.

I personally know one victim of the result. And he was one of the lucky ones.

I also know one who refused the shot and he reports a number of his comrades-in-navy suffering from it.

If Powell had run, this ghost would have come up and bit him in his fourth-point-of-contact WORSE than Kerry experienced at the hands of the Swifties.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. I had the pleasure to serve in 4ID(M) while Powell was an ADCO there. He was HIGHLY regarded.

441 Timbo17  Wed, May 14, 2008 11:43:52am

Get used to it. If Obama is elected, scumbags like this are going to play the race card anytime he is criticized. I'm not voting for him because he hangs out with radicals and has no experience or credentials that qualify him to be president. Compare McCain's resume to his and you'll laugh.

Democrats have already set the precedent that anything bad that happens in America is Bush's fault so we will hold Obama to the same standard if he is elected.

442 AZDave  Wed, May 14, 2008 11:53:59am

I guess I'll wear this label (racist) as a Red Badge of Courage along with all the others I've been called: kike, sheeny, and Hymie (Jessie Jackson's favorite).

443 AZDave  Wed, May 14, 2008 11:55:31am

re: #58 NoSubmission

But what if a black person doesn't want to vote for Obama?

Off with his head!

444 trailortrash  Wed, May 14, 2008 12:01:02pm

what a crock of ****....
character > *

445 Miss Molly  Wed, May 14, 2008 12:01:11pm

I would think that the Obama group has known from day one that he would use the "race card" in his campaign for President to beat anyone over the head who dared to disagree with him. He may be shocked to find out those threats won't work very well anymore.

And, what might work better is to constantly remind people that he has worked a total of 142 days in the United States Senate. Since then he has been running for President. His total Federal government experience is 142 days! And this guy thinks that his 142 days of experience gives him the "right" to become the leader of the free world. Well, actually Michelle and he will run the free world. Lets not leave out Michelle's feelings about the United States.

446 hazzyday  Wed, May 14, 2008 12:04:51pm

Well in the terminology of the "Social and Racial Justice" folks we are all people of color and there is no such thing as race. Your skin color only represents the distance from the equator your ancestors historically resided. If you mix marriage you mess up your degree calculations.

So if you are a northern european who spends summers in Spain your tan represents your genetic inclination for your future generations. Ditto for the conception of "Redneck".

Skin color in terms of people is unimportant. Love does not know that boundary. If it does, then it is not love. The leftists base their new communism on "oppression via skin color" Therefore, Leftists are incapable of love.

Last week in my company, we instituted new policies that all spending plans had to account for the "Social and Racial Justice" benefits. In about 8 months this can be expected to hit the customers in a subtle way when the money starts to being spent. I believe it already affects hiring policy. Once the CEO bites.... Expect it to come to a theater near you soon.

447 wanumba  Wed, May 14, 2008 12:08:51pm

Of course it's pretty amusante to note that Monsieur Ruben Navarrette Jr. must ONLY be talking to White RACIST DEMOCRATS since we are only in the primary season. That's WHITE DEMOCRATS voting Hillary instead of Obama he's huffing and puffing about, the superior people who CARE about the "downtrodden." Republicans, that is of the Anti-Slavery, Pro-Civil Rights, Anti Jim Crow Laws, Pro 2nd Amendment for African-AMericans to defend themselves against the KKK terrorism of the Democrats Party, judging by the MSM coverage of the election, don't exist. Ya'd think we were already past the conventions and were down to Clinton Vs Barack, as if Clinton was the GOP candidate and Barack was the Democrat candidate.
The illusion is so persistently pushed , it's easy to forget where we really are in the process.
So, Navarrette has NOTHING to say to White Republicans who've already shown their principals by being allied with a political party that freed African American slaves and made them full citizens.

448 demoncrat  Wed, May 14, 2008 12:27:28pm

I must be a racist. I hope my black girlfriend never finds outs.

449 daughter of patriots  Wed, May 14, 2008 12:29:09pm

An ode to Barack Hussein Obama, courtesy of Elvis Presley:

You look like an angel
Walk like an angel
Talk like an angel
But I got wise
You're the devil in disguise
Oh yes you are
The devil in disguise

You fooled me with your kisses
You cheated and you schemed
Heaven knows how you lied to me
You're not the way you seemed

You look like an angel
Walk like an angel
Talk like an angel
But I got wise

You're the devil in disguise
Oh yes you are
The devil in disguise

I thought that I was in heaven
But I was sure surprised
Heaven help me, I didn't see
The devil in your eyes

You look like an angel
Walk like an angel
Talk like an angel

But I got wise
You're the devil in disguise
Oh yes you are
The devil in disguise

You're the devil in disguise
Oh yes you are
The devil in disguise
Oh yes you are
The devil in disguise

450 tex68  Wed, May 14, 2008 12:38:51pm

Obama is half honky, all donkey...sick of the media calling him African-America, hyphenated-america bs. If you where born here you're an American!

So let me get this straight only white people can be racist?
RRRRIIIGGGHHTTT! Only in the dimocrat party.

451 onthow  Wed, May 14, 2008 12:42:18pm

And if you don't vote for McCain, you're a Marxist.

452 Da Coyote  Wed, May 14, 2008 1:11:42pm

Obama is a loon. He makes Quail and W look smart. Now, were Obama to be white....... he'd still be a LOON! Harvard Law's top guy, eh? Bwahahahah!

453 Gmac  Wed, May 14, 2008 1:20:06pm

I could care less what some half wit has to say about who *I* should vote for, essentially that is what he is doing, because of tonal skin color differences.

I tend to judge people by words and deeds, not what they look like and BHO is diametrically opposed to what I believe in. He's also in need of a real education as the one that someone paid for at the schools he has attended evidently failed him miserably ... 57 states my aching back side.

454 Noam Chumpski  Wed, May 14, 2008 1:28:28pm

Anyone else offended that Obama is running an "I'm so SUPER religious and Christian" campaign and no liberals are batting an eye?

I ask you to compare this positive treatment to their (and the media's) treatment of Bush and Huckabee during their campaigns...

455 Noam Chumpski  Wed, May 14, 2008 1:29:47pm

...I though Obama was white? Did I miss something or was Jesse Jackson lying to me?

456 Wild Wil  Wed, May 14, 2008 1:30:08pm

Two thoughts:

1) I am not that shallow of a person to vote for someone based on skin color or internal plumbing.

2) I vote character before color.

457 MES41067  Wed, May 14, 2008 3:11:34pm

And I didn't like Kerry and he's a big ole goofy white boy.I hate all libs the same all the colors of the rainbow.

458 Gumby  Wed, May 14, 2008 3:16:30pm

re: #18 republic

I don't care if Obama was yellow with green polka dots, I could not vote for him because of the words that come out of his mouth, his actions and his beliefs.

But.... but.....but.... it's only WORRRDDDDSSS!

459 martyr maker  Wed, May 14, 2008 3:29:15pm

I hadn't realized until I read this that Obama is supposed to be the first positive discrimination president. People are in effect being told: 'we owe African-Americans a turn in the White House and if you don't agree you're a racist'.

Sheeeesh..

460 Daddyg  Wed, May 14, 2008 3:43:56pm

href="

target="_blank">Everyone's a little bit racist sometimes...

461 Daddyg  Wed, May 14, 2008 3:45:51pm

re: #460 Daddyg

href="[Link: www.youtube.com...] target="_blank">Everyone's a little bit racist sometimes...


Crud PIMF


Everyone's a little bit racist sometimes

I can think of at least 20 black politicians and pundits I'd rather see running for president than Obamahillarymccain any day. Unfortunately they aren't in the race (and it has nothing to do with their race).

462 kevinmumaw  Wed, May 14, 2008 4:07:22pm

Fox News reports that when Edwards dropped out of the race, 90% of his staff went to work for Obama. I guess this means that Edwards employed racists as 10% of his staff.

463 Challenger  Wed, May 14, 2008 4:18:40pm

Disgusting. Let's see: a Marxist, weak foreign policy towards our enemies, friendly and cozy relationships with radical islamists, wants to raise taxes, ultra-liberal and Barry's association with the good Rev Wright (a racist and America-hater). Nope, race isn't on the list of why I won't vote for him.

464 William  Wed, May 14, 2008 5:13:09pm

CNN keeps pumping left wing "op eds" from this clown and others, giving them prominent front-page placement on CNN.com.  A few weeks ago this same clown attempted to make the case that people who have a problem with illegal aliens are "racist."

465 hopperandadropper  Wed, May 14, 2008 5:57:16pm

Ruben Navarrette was an idiot when he was writing for the Dallas Morning News, and he's still an idiot.

466 anubis_soundwave  Wed, May 14, 2008 7:47:09pm

Okay.

For me (because in this silly culture of ours, we can't be individuals; I must self-categorize as "black") it's not about liking/disliking Senator Obama.

The guy just ain't ready for prime time.

Look: former football player Deion Sanders (more Christian than Obama). Jimmie Walker (conservative! actor! black Reagan!). Lawrence Taylor (also more Christian than Obama). That's three afrimericans right there that have as much political experience as Obama.

If I were Senator McCain, I'd call up Mr. Walker. That'd be dy-no-mite. Black vote sewn up in a week. :D

And I again posit Dr. William H. Cosby III. His dirt's already out there--just like McCain's. There's nothing more that the Democrats could do to besmirch Cosby's or McCain's names.
If the Democrats really wanted a black person to win the presidency (and really wanted to win PERIOD), they should have just ran Oprah Winfrey herself--instead of having her endorse this featherweight. I still wouldn't vote for her, but at least she'd be pre-vetted from years in the national spotlight.

The late James Brown: if the dead can vote, then they can run for president. (There is precedent in the late Senator Carnahan...his wife won.) Rosa Parks. Coretta Scott King.

My ultimate choice: the late, REAL Reverend Dr. M. Luther King, Jr.

And again, to any lurking Democrats: another dead candidate. Malcolm Little. (avoid the quasi-Islamic name, and X...just won't sell to the American public.) He, too, was articulate--and he'd resonate more with the "actual" "African-American" experience. Like Winfrey, I wouldn't vote for him any more than I'd vote for Louie Farrakhan, but in Malcolm's case, at least he'd be honest. And a better off-the-cuff speaker.

= = =

There. A total of nine UNQUALIFIED presidential prospects who are better choices than Obama; several of whom share his politics, are dead, or both.

I don't want to drag in Michael Steele, Alan Steele, or the too-goofy for prime time J. C. Watts (I'm not a fan of this one).

* I specifically chose Deion Sanders for the "prime time" bit.

* An alternate would be Michael Vick, after he serves his time, pays his debt to society for his role in the dogfighting ring. While it's a deplorable sport, I think he was sacrificed to PETA; I don't like kowtowing to PETA for anything. [/ j/k: if they were going to nab the man, it should have been on the drug charges--as drug trafficking harms HUMAN LIVES--not over the pit bulls, who are--in the end--dogs. do dogs matter more than humans in human society?]

467 freedombilly  Wed, May 14, 2008 9:28:54pm

And conservatives are the ones who can't get by race. This guy makes about as much sense as affirmative action.

468 NTropy  Wed, May 14, 2008 11:06:04pm

I know it's 450+ comments into this post but just let me say this... If not voting for Barrak Hussein Obama is indeed racism then I will wear my racism proudly.

469 DrCruel  Thu, May 15, 2008 2:00:19am

Those moonbat fruitcakes can call me what they like. I return the favour ten-fold, and with an overwhelmingly greater justification.

It's bad enough that he's a Democrat, although it's worse than that, a great deal worse. The fact of the matter is that there's simply no way I'm going to vote for a racist, neo-Marxist crook. I'm disgusted that a man like this has even gotten this far in their nasty, back-stabbing little primary.

As for these degenerate despot-loving scum waving a finger at me, they'd better keep their distance. I've long ago lost any respect for or patience whatsoever with that petty, self-serving, hypocritical lot, at least as far back as 1991 when they were stumping in favour of Saddam's seizure of Kuwait.


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