Have they ever shown a picture of Jesus Christ?

re: #1 The Other Les

Have they ever shown a picture of Jesus Christ?

But, but there were no cameras back then.

It's funny that the West Virginians that think that Obama is a muslim were denigrated in the press, while the so-called "Intelligent college educated" voter that has no frickin' clue what goes on in that church, does not see the blend of islam and Christianity, does not see what that reverend studied, or what NOI and islamic peeps Wright holds up for esteem, are considered the wise ones.

24/7/365

The closer we look, the more ties to Nation of Islam are found. This is really no surprise. For a "Christian" Church, Trinity put precious little emphasis on Christ. It put far more emphasis on race. It is not surprising that they found common ground with NoI.

re: #1 The Other Les

Have they ever shown a picture of Jesus Christ?

If they did, then it would have to be representation of there idea of what they thought He looked like................black.

Trumpet trading cards can't be far behind.

re: #4 MandyManners
How ya doin' sweety?
(Obama used the word "sweety" to a reporter today)

re: #3 EC Marm

true that.

It seems like the research into the Trumpet is haphazard -- whatever images and pictures people can scrounge up.

Surely, in some library somewhere, there is a complete archive of every issue.

Where?

If we can find it -- get used to the sound of President McCain.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. My research yesterday on the other cover thread, showed that Farrakhan was a common fixture on the Trinty landscape and often wrote articles on the "pastor's page", within the document.

dig deeper.

A proper Christian publication could show a photo of Farrakhan on the cover, but it would include the words, "warning: false prophet." Or something like that.

But what do I know? I'm just a frakking atheist.

just imagine who he will surround himself w/ if he gets in office. it will be worse than just these haters, losers and traitors because what is to stop him if he is potus.

re: #10 zombie

Library of Congress? Or is that too obvious?

Louie, louie

re: #12 The Other Les

It it always intrigues me how "frakkin athiests" seem to have a level of discernment that exceeds that of so-called christians, I'm just sayin.................

I'm going out.

Bye.

The other thread had some discussion on Obama's Jewish supporters. I would guess that the Farrakhan association wouldn't bother them at all.

Then again these are probably the kind of "Jews" who have to ask their non-Jewish co-workers what a "yalmulke" is.

Well, all that goes to show is that when Obama gets the nomination
Louie Farrakhan, Rev. Wright, Teddy Kennedy, Al Sharpton, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid will all be up in the mother ship with the Messiah plotting his campaign.

Barry the Messiah's interesting association are really the gift that keeps on giving, election-wise.

Has anyone woke Johnny Maverick up yet?

P.S. Will George Clinton be performing at the democratic convention?

re: #16 A Kiwi Infidel

It it always intrigues me how "frakkin athiests" seem to have a level of discernment that exceeds that of so-called christians, I'm just sayin.................

We're looking for loopholes.

Bye now.

#6 A Kiwi Infidel

re: #1 The Other Les

Have they ever shown a picture of Jesus Christ?

If they did, then it would have to be representation of there idea of what they thought He looked like................black.

Which black Jesus do you like best?

re: #18 funkyfantom

Iming a Jewish Obama supporter right now. It doesn't bother him one bit, you're right.

You are right about the other part too.

whatever happened to investigative reporting by the MSM? Ya think Rather would want to redeem himself?

The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan

So the Magazine is a work of fiction ?

re: #14 Dianna

Library of Congress? Or is that too obvious?

Too obvious. Not sure if they have in-house religious newsletters. Maybe some specialized Archive?

re: #23 Guy_Philly

whatever happened to investigative reporting by the MSM? Ya think Rather would want to redeem himself?

They are busy investigating John McCain

Islamochristian

re: #26 Shug

They are busy investigating John McCain

carbon dating isnt that accurate yet.

re: #21 zombie

Which black Jesus do you like best?

New contender. Rasta Supper.

re: #5 Iron Fist

The closer we look, the more ties to Nation of Islam are found. This is really no surprise. For a "Christian" Church, Trinity put precious little emphasis on Christ. It put far more emphasis on race. It is not surprising that they found common ground with NoI.

When I saw Rev. Wright with NOI bodyguards at the Press Club speech, I thought the same thing. NOI does not guard Christians.....
I am wondering how common the common ground is.....?

re: #30 seekeroftruth

.....
I am wondering how common the common ground is.....?

$

re: #28 stead63

carbon dating isnt that accurate yet.

lmao!

re: #10 zombie

Public library in downtown Chicago has a set, I'm willing to bet.

re: #29 bosforus

New contender. Rasta Supper.

So dee last sopper wos held in Jomayka mon

Video: Obama annoys reporter by calling her “sweetie”

Death rattle.

Anecdotal put telling:
My wife is taking post-graduate level classes and the Professor asked for a show of hands for how many students had heard of Reverend Wright. My wife was the only one who raised a hand.

As for Louis Farrakhan, what percentage of voting age people know of him?

re: #28 stead63

carbon dating isnt that accurate yet.

re: #37 A Kiwi Infidel

fair enough.

re: #34 A Kiwi Infidel

So dee last sopper wos held in Jomayka mon

I doubt this was their last supper. I'm guessing not more than 30 minutes after this supper they had the munchies again.

re: #33 joncelli

We need Honorary Yooper to go check. I would drive up there in a heartbeat but...it is a 3 hour drive :( and gas just went up to 3.95 for us.

re: #1 The Other Les

Have they ever shown a picture of Jesus Christ?

Who?
/

re: #39 bosforus

I doubt this was their last supper. I'm guessing not more than 30 minutes after this supper they had the munchies again.

And the tinnie was passed around the table?

When TCOC uses "Trinity" I think they mean: NOI + Black Panthers + Pan Africanism.

re: #25 zombie

Too obvious. Not sure if they have in-house religious newsletters. Maybe some specialized Archive?

Not so sure I'd dismiss the LOC that quickly. If Wright had an ego (laugh) and felt like paying for postage, they may very well have a set. Can we enlist Occasional Reader (DC area) on a spy mission?

re: #10 zombie

It seems like the research into the Trumpet is haphazard -- whatever images and pictures people can scrounge up.

Surely, in some library somewhere, there is a complete archive of every issue.

Where?

If we can find it -- get used to the sound of President McCain.

It is weird how this stuff seems to trickle out. Seems like somebody, somewhere, must have access to the entire wonderful collection of The Trumpet.

Collect 'em all, as they say.

re: #33 joncelli

Public library in downtown Chicago has a set, I'm willing to bet.

I'm tempted to dig out my old library telnet program from the pre-Web days. It was miracluous -- had bookmarks for telnet remote access of every library database in the US.

They're probably all converted to Web-based format by now, though.

re: #35 Ben Hur

Video: Obama annoys reporter by calling her “sweetie”

Death rattle.

Yikes - that's grounds for sexual harassment in some companies.

I bet the Chicago Public Library has them. Let me see what I can find out.

re: #35 Ben Hur

lmao. way to go girl.

I forgot to add something important.

Obama's campaign will be all about race, not transcending it as he tried to sell himself earlier. It will be about the perceived race-haters and race-baiters because:

1) They don't want the public to scrutinize Obama's real lack of experience for the most powerful position in the world.

2) They don't want the public to really look at his associations because to do so would result in questioning his judgement and having people ask the question as to whether this so-called perfect candidate has a history of rank opportunism in order to advance himself.

3) They don't want the public to really think about his half-baked ideas on the economy and international affairs because they fail the common sense and smell tests, and put our country and future at risk.

Obama's campaign will be all about race. I would vote for a qualified african-american candidate, not for an un-qualified candidate because he is an african-american ( actually bi-racial ).

re: #8 EC Marm

How ya doin' sweety?
(Obama used the word "sweety" to a reporter today)

I'm sweaty. How're you?

re: #35 Ben Hur

Video: Obama annoys reporter by calling her “sweetie”

Death rattle.

Peggy Agar is one of the local ABC reporters in Detroit. She's a pretty good reporter I think. Fair and tough. I like her.

but

She looks like a 38 year old Aunt Bea, about 5 foot 4 and 3 bills with a bad blonde dye job. Frumpy comes to mind

I have to believe he called her sweetie because of the way she looks. Had they sent out the typical hot babe empty skirt reporterette I wonder if he'd done that to her.

In America you can't pick on the blacks, the gays, the asians, the elderly, the handicapped, the mentally retarded.

but you can still insult a fat person

re: #51 MandyManners

I'm sweaty. How're you?

a sweaty sweety ?

re: #45 Cognito

It is weird how this stuff seems to trickle out. Seems like somebody, somewhere, must have access to the entire wonderful collection of The Trumpet.

Collect 'em all, as they say.

It's the bloggers specialty - investigative research and you are at the premier blog for that!

In a thread this morning I was telling everyone about my neighbor Lee who is a real good guy--African-American, Republican, Hardworking. I also have another neighbor across the street. A whole family of Nation of Islamers (lots of African garb and bow ties on Sunday). When they first moved in my then 9 year old daughter asked their 9 year old if she would like to play. The NOI daughter coldly stated "No, my mama don't want me playin with no white girls" Interesting neighborhood I live in eh? Oh yeah, these are exactly the kinds of people that I want the next POTUS associating with.

/sarc ( I hope I did that right)

re: #42 A Kiwi Infidel

And the tinnie was passed around the table?

Yes, and they all sang hymns until they fell asleep.

Hannity mentioned he'd be discussing these covers tonight.

re: #52 Shug

but you can still insult a fat person

Thats CALORIC CHALLENGED PERSON to you !

re: #5 Iron Fist

The closer we look, the more ties to Nation of Islam are found. This is really no surprise. For a "Christian" Church, Trinity put precious little emphasis on Christ. It put far more emphasis on race. It is not surprising that they found common ground with NoI.

I mentioned the NOI connection to two people recently, both African-American women. One was a co-worker. The other was a clerk at a convenience store. Both women said they knew about it and said they were disgusted and angered. I asked them where they had learned about it and both said at church and in their neighborhoods/from friends.

I hope Trinity has substantial chicken coop capacity for roosting.

OK, just searched the entire University of California library system -- all databases (combined = the third largest library in the world). Results: zilch. Disappointing.

re: #58 sattv4u2

but you can still insult a fat person

Thats CALORIC CHALLENGED PERSON to you !

Have you passed the official caloric challenge?

#10 zombie

A couple other thoughts: Graduate Theological Union (on Ridge Road in Berkeley) has a good-sized library and archive.

Glide Memorial might have a library.

The Trumpet could be archived in either place.

re: #59 MandyManners

I mentioned the NOI connection to two people recently, both African-American women. One was a co-worker. The other was a clerk at a convenience store. Both women said they knew about it and said they were disgusted and angered. I asked them where they had learned about it and both said at church and in their neighborhoods/from friends.

Interesting!

re: #35 Ben Hur

Video: Obama annoys reporter by calling her “sweetie”

Death rattle.

Oh that it were so. But I'm afraid the Obama train is just getting up a good head of steam.

It's gonna get ugly.

(Please, John McCain, give JC Watts a call.)

I'm not surprised Fuehrerkhan is one of their favorite cover subjects.
Wright did, after all, go to Libya with him, and give him an award.

And here is one big problem with Obama. If he is elected, he will legitimize this black enslavement theology, and Fuehrerkhan's NOI and its anti-Semitism.
Not that having Obama as poster idol for the MSM and the Damncrap party's presidential candiate haven't already legitimized them.

When a little anti-Semitism is legitimate, more follows.
As bad as Obama would be, if the country survives him, the next president could be far worse, and be an open anti-Semite.

re: #43 WrathofG-d

When TCOC uses "Trinity" I think they mean: NOI + Black Panthers + Pan Africanism.

Wouldn't doubt it at all.

re: #62 bosforus

Have you passed the official caloric challenge?

let me put my Twinkie down so I can grab that

Is this it?
[Link: catalog.loc.gov...]
Library of Congress

The most recent mini-caloric challenge.

re: #60 Peter Griffin

I hope Trinity has substantial chicken coop capacity for roosting.

And a nice deep poop-pan underneath the perch

re: #61 zombie

Dianna's right -- check the archives of a divinity school (Harvard, Notre Dame, any of the protestant schools).

re: #53 sattv4u2

a sweaty sweety ?

Yep.

re: #60 Peter Griffin

PS how's that young Stewie?

re: #13 nyc redneck

Will the secret service go to bow ties?

What better cover for a mosque than a "Church". Perhaps the Reverend Wright is a "Branch Muslim Christian". Make as much sense as 2X and 3X Shabazz Muslims.

re: #61 zombie

what is odd to me is that when you search the term "Trumpet News Magazine" you get a link to the TCOC website where they have the trumpet front page, but when you click the associated links, they go nowhere.

I don't know anything about computers but could this be the result of "dumping". Ie: removing all direct source "trumpets" because of the heat & election?

I'm a Southern girl at heart, and I tend to call people I like endearments such as "sweetie,: "darlin'," "sweetheart," etc. HOWEVER, I would NEVER use such an endearment in a professional, business, or formal situation. Obama wasn't sexist as much as classless.

PS. I was very embarrassed when I slipped and called my student-teacher "Sweetie" near the end of her time with me, but I had become rather fond of her. I apologized profusely, and she just laughed--she had gotten to know me by then.

Bingo! Dianna, you were right.

Who lives in Washington D.C.?

Want to save the free world?

The Library of Congress has a complete collection of Trumpet Newsmagazines from 1982 - present.

Go there, settle in for a few days, and bring back the dirt!

re: #71 A Kiwi Infidel

And a nice deep poop-pan underneath the perch

There's money in guano.

re: #77 WrathofG-d

Yes.

R

Anybody here live in Washington DC? I suspect the Library of Congress has plenty of copies of The Trumpet.

re: #73 MandyManners

And how's the meditation going, oh curious one.

re: #50 offendi

doesn't it make you wonder if his run was calculated? If it was Hillary in the lead, it would be a sexist, not racist, issue. The Dems always arm themselves with issues you can't criticize or beliefs you can't question.

They can't win for long. The new media is punching holes in everything.

re: #58 sattv4u2

but you can still insult a fat person

Thats CALORIC CHALLENGED PERSON to you !

Calories a challenge? Only if they don't fit in my mouth or require a lubricating agent to swallow.

re: #82 Cognito

Anybody here live in Washington DC? I suspect the Library of Congress has plenty of copies of The Trumpet.

But on second thought, that's too obvious. If they're there, somebody's already looking.

re: #79 zombie

Bingo! Dianna, you were right.

Who lives in Washington D.C.?

Want to save the free world?

The Library of Congress has a complete collection of Trumpet Newsmagazines from 1982 - present.

Go there, settle in for a few days, and bring back the dirt!

Some reporter could garner everlasting fame......

re: #63 Dianna

#10 zombie

A couple other thoughts: Graduate Theological Union (on Ridge Road in Berkeley) has a good-sized library and archive.

Glide Memorial might have a library.

The Trumpet could be archived in either place.

It's not at the GTU library. I checked Melvyl, which includes the GTU. Nada.

But the LOC has it, re #79 above.

re: #50 offendi

I forgot to add something important.

Obama's campaign will be all about race, not transcending it as he tried to sell himself earlier. It will be about the perceived race-haters and race-baiters...

a couple Obama MoveOn spots:

“Red Rover, Red Rover, let whoever come over.”

“A Man From Illinois”

Get outta my head, Zombie.

re: #79 zombie

Bingo! Dianna, you were right.

Who lives in Washington D.C.?

Want to save the free world?

The Library of Congress has a complete collection of Trumpet Newsmagazines from 1982 - present.

Go there, settle in for a few days, and bring back the dirt!

$10 says they get "misfiled" in the next few weeks.

re: #90 Cognito

Get outta my head, Zombie.

Just a though, if Zombie moves out, you're gunna have a lot of vacant space..........just sayin

re: #64 seekeroftruth

Interesting!

They're both very level-headed women.

re: #72 joncelli

GTU is comprised of the West Coast Seminaries for a bunch of denominations, including the Jesuits and the Franciscans, both of whom are pretty good about material.

re: #30 seekeroftruth

When I saw Rev. Wright with NOI bodyguards at the Press Club speech, I thought the same thing. NOI does not guard Christians.....
I am wondering how common the common ground is.....?

Lou Reed's song "Good Evening, Mr. Waldheim"

re: #69 EC Marm

Is this it?
[Link: catalog.loc.gov...]
Library of Congress

Yup, that's it.

Wish I lived on the East Coast!

C'mon, east coast lizards. Bring a portable scanner and/or a digital camera with a "macro" setting and find every DAMNing thing that ever appeared there! And I'm sure there will be rich veins of outrageousness!

re: #87 jcm

from the LOC site:

Began as a church newspaper at Trinity United Church of Christ, in Chicago, Ill., by Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr., to promote social justice. Vol. 9, issue 8, is the first nationally distributed issue.
Description based on: Vol. 9, issue 8 (Mar. 2006).
Latest issue consulted: Vol. 10, issue 8 (Aug. 2007).

Subjects: Social justice--Periodicals. » More like this
African Americans--Periodicals

You know you are screwed when Black Panthers, Racism, the NOI and Frakkhan = "social justice".

/once again the Libs screw up a perfectly good word/concept.

re: #92 A Kiwi Infidel

Just a though, if Zombie moves out, you're gunna have a lot of vacant space..........just sayin

Huh.

re: #79 zombie

LOC will make copies, or send a pdf file. They charge for it, of course, but it's not terribly expensive.

re: #79 zombie

Bingo! Dianna, you were right.

Who lives in Washington D.C.?

Want to save the free world?

The Library of Congress has a complete collection of Trumpet Newsmagazines from 1982 - present.

Go there, settle in for a few days, and bring back the dirt!

It may take an associate pass to access those stacks. Not all of the LOC is free access to anyone off of the street.

re: #77 WrathofG-d

what is odd to me is that when you search the term "Trumpet News Magazine" you get a link to the TCOC website where they have the trumpet front page, but when you click the associated links, they go nowhere.

I don't know anything about computers but could this be the result of "dumping". Ie: removing all direct source "trumpets" because of the heat & election?

I hope someone jumps on this right now.

re: #95 Kosh's Shadow

Lou Reed's song "Good Evening, Mr. Waldheim"

For those who don't get youtube, it includes the lines

"If I ran for President and once was a member of the Klan
Would you call me on it, just like I call you on Farrakhan"

re: #99 Dianna

LOC will make copies, or send a pdf file. They charge for it, of course, but it's not terribly expensive.

Yes, but a person will have to wade through hundreds of issues to find the dirt, before they'd know what to request.

re: #91 Creeping Eruption

Not at the Library of Congress.

The only things that get mis-filed are heavy scholarly works by Baigent and Leigh.

/

re: #78 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm a Southern girl at heart, and I tend to call people I like endearments such as "sweetie,: "darlin'," "sweetheart," etc. HOWEVER, I would NEVER use such an endearment in a professional, business, or formal situation. Obama wasn't sexist as much as classless.

PS. I was very embarrassed when I slipped and called my student-teacher "Sweetie" near the end of her time with me, but I had become rather fond of her. I apologized profusely, and she just laughed--she had gotten to know me by then.

As long as you didn't call her "snookums".

re: #101 MandyManners

Here is the link; try it yourself.

re: #96 zombie

Yup, that's it.

Wish I lived on the East Coast!

C'mon, east coast lizards. Bring a portable scanner and/or a digital camera with a "macro" setting and find every DAMNing thing that ever appeared there! And I'm sure there will be rich veins of outrageousness!

*No "retreat mining" mind you - we don't want anyone buried under that shit.

*(Not making fun of the tragedy at Crandall Canyon, may the Miners rest in peace.)

re: #79 zombie

Bingo! Dianna, you were right.

Who lives in Washington D.C.?

Want to save the free world?

The Library of Congress has a complete collection of Trumpet Newsmagazines from 1982 - present.

Go there, settle in for a few days, and bring back the dirt!

Just to repost.

re: #35 Ben Hur

Video: Obama annoys reporter by calling her “sweetie”

Death rattle.

Not hardly, Ben. Remember, Democrats can get knob jobs in the Oval office, grope women, rape women, and shake their finger into the television camera and lie . "I did not have sex with that women" and their constituents will say it's just that vast right wing conspiracy.

But if a Republican has an argument with his wife of 1 bizillion years, and calls her a name, hell, its call out the cavalry.

*spit*

re: #97 WrathofG-d

from the LOC site:

You know you are screwed when Black Panthers, Racism, the NOI and Frakkhan = "social justice".

/once again the Libs screw up a perfectly good word/concept.

Social Justice...
Gramsician code.

Means, give me want I want or else, see behavior of Black Panthers, NOI and Calypso Louie for examples.

re: #83 A Kiwi Infidel

And how's the meditation going, oh curious one.

I found I do my best meditating while scrubbing.

re: #79 zombie

Bingo! Dianna, you were right.

Who lives in Washington D.C.?

Want to save the free world?

The Library of Congress has a complete collection of Trumpet Newsmagazines from 1982 - present.

Go there, settle in for a few days, and bring back the dirt!

Sigh. How come my genius is so often overlooked?

(joke)

re: #96 zombie

Yup, that's it.

Wish I lived on the East Coast!

C'mon, east coast lizards. Bring a portable scanner and/or a digital camera with a "macro" setting and find every DAMNing thing that ever appeared there! And I'm sure there will be rich veins of outrageousness!

Just reposting.

re: #105 MandyManners

As long as you didn't call her "snookums".

LOL! I have never called ANYONE "snookums."

re: #21 zombie

Which black Jesus do you like best?

Raptor Jesus is not amused, nor is Allah-saurus amused.

OT: NYT has an alert on its page claiming that Edwards is coming out for Obama

re: #106 WrathofG-d

Here is the link; try it yourself.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

re: #115 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Raptor Jesus is not amused, nor is Allah-saurus amused.

I did laugh out loud at the Raptor Jesus, but I got a message asking not to link directly to pictures for the allahsaurus.

BBIAW

re: #116 Creeping Eruption

OT: NYT has an alert on its page claiming that Edwards is coming out for Obama

out of the closet ?

re: #96 zombie

Wrong
I thought the Standard procedure was to stuff them in your socks and underwear

C'mon, east coast lizards. Bring a portable scanner and/or a digital camera with a "macro" setting and find every DAMNing thing that ever appeared there! And I'm sure there will be rich veins of outrageousness!

re: #103 zombie

Get the whole thing as a pdf. It's just electrons, and what isn't dirt on a first pass might well be dirt on a second or third.

Hell, zombie, I'll paypal you $50 toward the cost. Or Charles, or whoever.

re: #106 WrathofG-d

Here is the link; try it yourself.

A Lifestyle Magazine for the Socially Conscious.

re: #117 MandyManners

So how do I get a thread, update, or hat tip? Maybe just a "way to go! grumble, grumble, grumble, harumph, harumph, harumph"?

re: #109 maddogg

But if some contrived story about a Republican who has an argument with his wife of 1 bizillion years, and calls her a name in such story, hell, its call out the cavalry.

re: #114 goddessoftheclassroom

LOL! I have never called ANYONE "snookums."

You're no fun.

re: #116 Creeping Eruption

OT: NYT has an alert on its page claiming that Edwards is coming out for Obama

Not surprised. My co-worker moonbat who was all-out for Edwards switched to Obama after Edwards dropped out. I remember that day; Rudy dropped out, too. COME BACK RUDY!

re: #120 sattv4u2

out of the closet ?

Hmmmmm . . . no but that would have made one hell of a headline. Just an endorsement.

re: #124 WrathofG-d

So how do I get a thread, update, or hat tip? Maybe just a "way to go! grumble, grumble, grumble, harumph, harumph, harumph"?

I can give a hat tip? Really?

re: #118 goddessoftheclassroom

I did laugh out loud at the Raptor Jesus, but I got a message asking not to link directly to pictures for the allahsaurus.

Better like this?

re: #79 zombie

Bingo! Dianna, you were right.

Who lives in Washington D.C.?

Want to save the free world?

The Library of Congress has a complete collection of Trumpet Newsmagazines from 1982 - present.

Go there, settle in for a few days, and bring back the dirt!

* * *
Howard University probably does too, and it's where the Wrong Capaign Mentor Reverend got a degree.

re: #124 WrathofG-d

So how do I get a thread, update, or hat tip? Maybe just a "way to go! grumble, grumble, grumble, harumph, harumph, harumph"?

The links go to books for sale.

re: #126 MandyManners

You're no fun.

I know I was disappointed.

re: #132 MandyManners

Yes but the links relating to the actual magazine are MIA

re: #35 Ben Hur

Speaking of death rattles....

Huckabee Says He Wouldn't Turn Down VP Slot
I might not vote in the next election after all. Screw them all.

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re: #84 bellamags

doesn't it make you wonder if his run was calculated? If it was Hillary in the lead, it would be a sexist, not racist, issue. The Dems always arm themselves with issues you can't criticize or beliefs you can't question.

They can't win for long. The new media is punching holes in everything.

Obama is a win-win for the democrats. Even if they lose with him they shore up their African-American base, and have the "luxury" of not running an African-American again, a la what they did with Ferraro as VP. Any women since or until Hillary?

Problem is the African-American vote, even if significant, cannot win national elections. They are and will be a secondary ethnic group to the Hispanics, losing election power and prestige over the next 10 years to the growing Hispanic demographic, which is why I say I forsee a Hispanic President now before an African-American one.

re: #134 WrathofG-d

Yes but the links relating to the actual magazine are MIA

The books for sale are interesting.

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Begin any inquiries for access to LOC stacks here.

My mother researched there about twenty years ago and had a pass that allowed her access to pull from collections and carry to reading areas. You can not do this just walking in off of the street. Requests for specific volumes must be made and there is a limit to how much can be held in an area at a time. it is a very cumbersome place to work in if you don't have a pass to the stacks to physically pull continuously as you research. It is probably even more restrictive these days than it was in the eighties, electronic info management seems to do that to institutions.

re: #121 LeftJustAintRight

Wrong
I thought the Standard procedure was to stuff them in your socks and underwear

* * *
That's at the National Archives, in the office of the "security" director person!

re: #141 alegrias

* * *
That's at the National Archives, in the office of the "security" director person!

Come on, every one uses top secret documents to enhance the package before a big date.
/

The "Honorable" Louis Farrakhan? What is he, a frikkin' cabinet minister or something?

re: #143 scaramouche

The "Honorable" Louis Farrakhan? What is he, a frikkin' cabinet minister or something?

No.... but he will be.
In a BHO administration.

If Micheal Steel were to attend a church which idolized King Louis, how long would the MSM take to say that we aer whom we associate with?

Maybe I need to suck it up and actually drive to Chicago and see if I can get copies of this magazine...

If it walks, talks and quacks like a duck...

Its a muslim

re: #8 EC Marm

How ya doin' sweety?
(Obama used the word "sweety" to a reporter today)

Let me guess....she swooned. I would have thrown the nearest hard object at him. I don't even like when women call me sweetie! It's off putting from women, it's condescending as hell from a man.

re: #146 sarah

Maybe I need to suck it up and actually drive to Chicago and see if I can get copies of this magazine...

I looked at the Chicago Public Library website and I can't find it in there.

OT- Fox News just posted that John Edwards will announce his support for Barack Obama.

I nearly got banned from LGF for explaining he-who-shall-not-be-named, yet Barak can just ignore the fact that he personally associated with Wright, Trinity, and Farrakhan, and become the POTUS?

--odd world we live in.

re: #141 alegrias

That's at the National Archives, in the office of the "security" director person!

We conservatives don't steal national secrets
But we might borrow a book from the library of congress or the Smithsonian
LOL
/sarc

re: #148 Russkilitlover

Let me guess....she swooned. I would have thrown the nearest hard object at him. I don't even like when women call me sweetie! It's off putting from women, it's condescending as hell from a man.

She was pretty ticked, actually.

re: #149 mama winger

Well, I will go straight to the source.

re: #147 somaking

If it walks, talks and quacks like a duck steps like a goose...

Its a muslim

re: #135 Killgore Trout

Speaking of death rattles....

Huckabee Says He Wouldn't Turn Down VP Slot
I might not vote in the next election after all. Screw them all.

I think it's just a trial balloon myself. McCain has nothing to gain by choosing Huckabee.

How much you wanna' bet BHO operatives are frantically contacting their buddies in various libraries that have these magazines?

re: #150 StarsandStripesForever

OT- Fox News just posted that John Edwards will announce his support for Barack Obama.

LOL!

re: #154 sarah

Well, I will go straight to the source.

You are a brave woman :)

re: #159 mama winger

Brave white women ;)

Anybody seen Lucius ?

re: #136 MandyManners

I liked this title

Womanist Ethics and the Cultural Production of Evil

tells us so much about why this isnt on the nyt best seller list.

re: #116 Creeping Eruption

OT: NYT has an alert on its page claiming that Edwards is coming out for Obama

Umm... as civil union type thing?

re: #146 sarah

Maybe I need to suck it up and actually drive to Chicago and see if I can get copies of this magazine...

Got to a branch in Highland Park and hit the U of C.

I'd like to see Michael Steele as the VP nominee.

re: #122 Dianna

Get the whole thing as a pdf. It's just electrons, and what isn't dirt on a first pass might well be dirt on a second or third.

Hell, zombie, I'll paypal you $50 toward the cost. Or Charles, or whoever.

Can you PayPal me seven days' worth of free time?

'Cause that's what I'm lacking.

re: #59 MandyManners

I mentioned the NOI connection to two people recently, both African-American women. One was a co-worker. The other was a clerk at a convenience store. Both women said they knew about it and said they were disgusted and angered. I asked them where they had learned about it and both said at church and in their neighborhoods/from friends.

Many, many years back, at a new job I asked a co-worker what he thought of the NOI (at that time I had just recently seen footage of one of Farrakhan's speeches and was shocked). Without a second of hesitation he said, and I quote verbatim, "F*ck the Nation"!

He went on to tell me about how not long after his H.S. graduation, a long-time friend and classmate of his had joined the NOI and become a "kill whitey" type. After several attempts by his friend to recruit him he had had enough of the bigoted proselytizing , and broke off the friendship. It was a heartbreaking thing for him, to see a long-time friend turn into a racist monster.

Of course, we became fast friends and drinking buddies. I guess he didn't see me as a TWP.

re: #161 LeftJustAintRight

Anybody seen Lucius ?

I think his term wrapped up, he may be off playing. No haven't seen him for a few days.

This is completely sickening. I'm thinking why fight it. Make the media happy and support Obama. Just give up trying to fight it. Bush won't. McCain........who knows what the hell is going on there....he sounds like a liberal to me. None of em give a shit we are getting absolutely screwed on gas prices.....any plans? Noooooooooooooooooo. But god forbid we tweak a damned owl or caribou. Fine. Give em what they want. All Dems all the time.

re: #165 DesertSage

I'd like to see Michael Steele as the VP nominee.

Ditto.

Another on my short list is Jindal. But I rather he have a good term as Gov. and run for the top slot in '12 or '16.

re: #157 MandyManners

How much you wanna' bet BHO operatives are frantically contacting their buddies in various libraries that have these magazines?

Someone who has an account at Michelle Malkin's place should run over and give her the heads up. She is in DC isn't she? She also probably knows someone with open access to the LOC stacks that can lead her through the labyrinth post haste.

re: #143 scaramouche

The "Honorable" Louis Farrakhan? What is he, a frikkin' cabinet minister or something?

In a major blow to national Republicans, a Mississippi congressional seat that once voted for President Bush by a twenty-five point margin elected a Democrat on Tuesday. Prentiss County Chancery Clerk Travis Childers beat out Republican candidate Greg Davis, the mayor of Southaven, by a 54%-46% margin, a spread that several Republican strategists on Capitol Hill characterized as a startling wake-up call for a party in dire straits.

McCain had better start talking job protection, Fuck NAFTA,
and taxing employers that send jobs overseas and import Chinese shit.
Or Farrakhan will be President Obamas Minster of Home Security..

Southern Warning,
Wake up Call,
Whatever?

re: #156 mama winger

I think it's just a trial balloon myself. McCain has nothing to gain by choosing Huckabee.

McCain would turn the whole thing into electoral turmoil for the democrats by selecting Martinez as VP. Huckabee is a waste.

re: #166 zombie

Divide it up among lizard volunteers. You've worked with me before, you know that, provided you don't overload me, I'm fast and I'm thorough.

re: #162 Eowyn2

I liked this title

Womanist Ethics and the Cultural Production of Evil

tells us so much about why this isnt on the nyt best seller list.

I cracked up when I saw that.

re: #146 sarah

Maybe I need to suck it up and actually drive to Chicago and see if I can get copies of this magazine...

How far are you from the city?

re: #172 ibmkeyboard

McCain had better start talking job protection, Fuck NAFTA,
and taxing employers that send jobs overseas and import Chinese shit.
Or Farrakhan will be President Obamas Minster of Home Security..

He'll organize the Million Man Krystallnachts.

re: #162 Eowyn2

I liked this title

Womanist Ethics and the Cultural Production of Evil

tells us so much about why this isnt on the nyt best seller list.

Society makes people evil.

re: #163 offendi

Umm... as civil union type thing?

LOL!

re: #169 kansas

This is completely sickening. I'm thinking why fight it. Make the media happy and support Obama. Just give up trying to fight it. Bush won't. McCain........who knows what the hell is going on there....he sounds like a liberal to me. None of em give a shit we are getting absolutely screwed on gas prices.....any plans? Noooooooooooooooooo. But god forbid we tweak a damned owl or caribou. Fine. Give em what they want. All Dems all the time.

You sound like you need a drink or 2 or 3.....

#79 Zombie

Who lives in Washington D.C.?

Want to save the free world?

The Library of Congress has a complete collection of Trumpet Newsmagazines from 1982 - present.

Go there, settle in for a few days, and bring back the dirt!

Look for this collection to mysteriously disappear.

this is the boring thread ;) just saying.

re: #165 DesertSage

I'd like to see Michael Steele as the VP nominee.

As much as I agree with you, the MSM would pound it to death as blatant tokenism and shameless pandering. Not that they'd be right, but since when has being wrong ever stopped them from spewing garbage that gets eaten up.

re: #167 Slumbering Behemoth

Many, many years back, at a new job I asked a co-worker what he thought of the NOI (at that time I had just recently seen footage of one of Farrakhan's speeches and was shocked). Without a second of hesitation he said, and I quote verbatim, "F*ck the Nation"!

He went on to tell me about how not long after his H.S. graduation, a long-time friend and classmate of his had joined the NOI and become a "kill whitey" type. After several attempts by his friend to recruit him he had had enough of the bigoted proselytizing , and broke off the friendship. It was a heartbreaking thing for him, to see a long-time friend turn into a racist monster.

Of course, we became fast friends and drinking buddies. I guess he didn't see me as a TWP.

Evrytime I see a bowtie with a beanpie selling their hate sheet on a street corner, I calmly walk up and hand them a dollar for a copy. Know thy enemy and all of that.

re: #145 Eowyn2

If Micheal Steel were to attend a church which idolized King Louis, how long would the MSM take to say that we aer whom we associate with?

Did you know that in St Paul, MN we have just that church.

The Church of Saint Louis, King of France

re: #167 Slumbering Behemoth

Many, many years back, at a new job I asked a co-worker what he thought of the NOI (at that time I had just recently seen footage of one of Farrakhan's speeches and was shocked). Without a second of hesitation he said, and I quote verbatim, "F*ck the Nation"!

He went on to tell me about how not long after his H.S. graduation, a long-time friend and classmate of his had joined the NOI and become a "kill whitey" type. After several attempts by his friend to recruit him he had had enough of the bigoted proselytizing , and broke off the friendship. It was a heartbreaking thing for him, to see a long-time friend turn into a racist monster.

Of course, we became fast friends and drinking buddies. I guess he didn't see me as a TWP.

There are many out there who've seen this conversion. I hope they spread the word amongst their friends.

re: #169 kansas

This is completely sickening. I'm thinking why fight it. Make the media happy and support Obama. Just give up trying to fight it. Bush won't. McCain........who knows what the hell is going on there....he sounds like a liberal to me. None of em give a shit we are getting absolutely screwed on gas prices.....any plans? Noooooooooooooooooo. But god forbid we tweak a damned owl or caribou. Fine. Give em what they want. All Dems all the time.

I for one am planning on rebelling. I'll probably be sent to a re-education camp.

re: #180 Nevergiveup

You sound like you need had a drink or 2 or 3.....or 9

The Curious George cartoon character is getting dragged into the presidential race again in an ugly way
Curious George /A Georgia tavern owner has been selling T-shirts showing the cartoon monkey happily eating a banana with the words “Obama in ’08” written underneath.

The tavern owner, described as an “ultra-conservative,” has since seen his Marietta, Ga., establishment picketed by outraged critics who say the characterization of presidental candidate Barack Obama as a monkey is racist.
Racist Obama T-shirt
LOL

re: #171 Ackomanyuki

Someone who has an account at Michelle Malkin's place should run over and give her the heads up. She is in DC isn't she? She also probably knows someone with open access to the LOC stacks that can lead her through the labyrinth post haste.

re: #176 Tasty Beverage

3 hours give or take a few minutes.

re: #181 obscured by clouds

#79 Zombie

Look for this collection to mysteriously disappear.

I'm thinking tonight or by Monday at the latest.

re: #182 WrathofG-d

this is the boring thread ;) just saying.

See # 189

re: #189 LeftJustAintRight

It IS racist! That is gross.

re: #171 Ackomanyuki

Someone who has an account at Michelle Malkin's place should run over and give her the heads up. She is in DC isn't she? She also probably knows someone with open access to the LOC stacks that can lead her through the labyrinth post haste.

On it now.

re: #187 DesertSage

I for one am planning on rebelling. I'll probably be sent to a re-education camp.

REVEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGEE MEEEEEEEEEE.

Scene from Red Dawn.

re: #168 jcm

I think his term wrapped up, he may be off playing. No haven't seen him for a few days.

Saw him a couple of mornings back chortling because the last grade had been turned in.

re: #189 LeftJustAintRight

Pisses me off to the Nth degree.

re: #196 MandyManners

REVEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGEE MEEEEEEEEEE.

Scene from Red Dawn.

Loved it!

re: #153 Cognito

She was pretty ticked, actually.

Do tell....I couldn't open the vid, but I have a terrifc mind's eye.

re: #8 EC Marm

How ya doin' sweety?
(Obama used the word "sweety" to a reporter today)

Uh oh. Who does he think he is? Bill Clinton?

Again, this isn't about Wright.

Its not about Farrakhan either.

Its about Obama.

What does it say about Obama that he immersed himself into Wright's world for 20+ years and called him his "spiritual mentor"?

re: #191 sarah

3 hours give or take a few minutes.

Oh hell, don't go through that. I'll go this evening, the main library downtown is open til 9 tonight.

re: #187 DesertSage

ditto

re: #202 looking closely

Again, this isn't about Wright.

Its not about Farrakhan either.

Its about Obama.

What does it say about Obama that he immersed himself into Wright's world for 20+ years and called him his "spiritual mentor"?

And his children.

re: #202 looking closely

Either (A) he is the typical politician that would surround himself around people he does not agree with for clout, and votes,

or (B) he is a disgusting NOI loving, America hating, racist!

re: #203 Tasty Beverage

Too awesome! If it wasn't there for some reason I thought about wearing a disguise and going to the source.

The truth

re: #206 WrathofG-d

Either (A) he is the typical politician that would surround himself around people he does not agree with for clout, and votes,

or (B) he is a disgusting NOI loving, America hating, racist!

I am gonna go with "B".

As a Jewish American, it is so perplexing to me how so many of us can even fathom voting for Obama. According to a recent gallup poll null the number are pretty large.

re: #206 WrathofG-d

Either (A) he is the typical politician that would surround himself around people he does not agree with for clout, and votes,

or (B) he is a disgusting NOI loving, America hating, racist!

I think (B).

Speaking about the unholy trinity--- Obama, Wright, and Farrakhan, here's a little more ammunition:
[Link: www.eyeblast.tv...]

re: #61 zombie

OK, just searched the entire University of California library system -- all databases (combined = the third largest library in the world). Results: zilch. Disappointing.

I'm just glad it isn't required reading!

re: #209 Nevergiveup

I am gonna go with "B".

Agreed. Hillary (and to some degree McCain, IMHO) would be A.

re: #184 Ackomanyuki

Evrytime I see a bowtie with a beanpie selling their hate sheet on a street corner, I calmly walk up and hand them a dollar for a copy. Know thy enemy and all of that.

I know their positions well enough, and I refuse to give them one thin dime. It'll be a cold day in hell before I financially support the distribution of racist screeds.

re: #209 Nevergiveup

re: #211 VegasRick

What I find most amazing is that the "Unity / Beyond Politics" candidate (ie: Barak) is in actuality the "most liberal senator".
/interesting how he is getting a pass. "yes we can!"

re: #206 WrathofG-d

Either (A) he is the typical politician that would surround himself around people he does not agree with for clout, and votes,

or (B) he is a disgusting NOI loving, America hating, racist!

B.

re: #206 WrathofG-d

Either (A) he is the typical politician that would surround himself around people he does not agree with for clout, and votes,

or (B) he is a disgusting NOI loving, America hating, racist!

C ,, all of the above

Obama: a disingenuous RFK.

re: #218 sattv4u2

C ,, all of the above

How can it be both? They're mutually exclusive.

re: #220 MandyManners

How can it be both? They're mutually exclusive.

3 words ,,,, he's a POLITITIAN ,,,, they can be all things to all people at all times

re: #216 WrathofG-d

re: #211 VegasRick

What I find most amazing is that the "Unity / Beyond Politics" candidate (ie: Barak) is in actuality the "most liberal senator".
/interesting how he is getting a pass. "yes we can!"

Complete pass from the MSM. Even FOX.

re: #187 DesertSage

I for one am planning on rebelling. I'll probably be sent to a re-education camp.

They could try to re-educate me, but it would end up very messy

re: #207 sarah

Too awesome! If it wasn't there for some reason I thought about wearing a disguise and going to the source.

I'm just worried that if they have copies at Harold Washigton, they will all suddenly be "lost" when I get there. I'd like to see issues from before 3/06 when the magazine went national.

re: #169 kansas

This is completely sickening. I'm thinking why fight it. Make the media happy and support Obama. Just give up trying to fight it. Bush won't. McCain........who knows what the hell is going on there....he sounds like a liberal to me. None of em give a shit we are getting absolutely screwed on gas prices.....any plans? Noooooooooooooooooo. But god forbid we tweak a damned owl or caribou. Fine. Give em what they want. All Dems all the time.

I know exactly how you feel.
Suppose, though, that you knew our side would lose.
You don't know that, actually, but suppose you did.
Would you change sides? I don't think so.
Well, then, do you want to just roll over or go down fighting?
You want to go obediently or screaming?

Maybe that's all we can do.....scream.
But it's better than nothing.

And the fact is, we don't know what will happen.

re: #221 sattv4u2

3 words ,,,, he's a POLITICIAN ,,,, they can be all things to all people at all times

PIMF

re: #224 Tasty Beverage

Me too, That was one reason for me wanting to travel up there. I wanted to see what they were posting before the nation was allowed in. Makes me wonder if the church would have it in their library.

re: #222 VegasRick

They should call him what Pacifica Radio does (and is most accurate): The "Progressive" (read: America hating leftis) candidate.

re: #223 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They could try to re-educate me, but it would end up very messy

I agree, they can try all they want, I am not going down easy. Screw Them.

So, I've found a short piece (about 20 lines) written by Jeremiah Wright in 1986 through The University of Chicago Press which is included in The Journal of Religion. It's basically commentary on a few quotes from the book The Black Spiritual Movement: A Religious Response to Racism by Hans Baer. But since it's from 1986, 22 years ago, it's pretty good evidence of Wright's early anti-American values.

These sects, according to Baer, "maintain that the most direct way of achieving socially desired ends - such as financial prosperity, prestige, love and health - is by employing the various magico-religious rituals or by acquiring esoteric knowledge in order to gain spiritual power over oneself and others" (p. 9).
Unfortunately, this religious response on the part of blacks to their minority status in American society is inadequate because it "ignores the intricate relationship between racism and capitalism" (p. 179) and because "the Spiritual movement encourages its adherents and clients to accept mainstream American values and goals, such as material success and individual achievement - an orientation that unwittingly discourages critical examination of the process of victimization experienced by many Blacks in American society and often results in the objects of this process blaming themselves for their problems" (p. 160; emphasis mine).
Jeremiah Wright, Chicago Illinois

[Bold mine]
So in other words, the magico-religious rituals that were supposed to bring the blacks financial success wouldn't work because it encouraged them to be part of a system that promotes financial success and individual achievement and only something different from mainstream American values and goals would help blacks obtain "financial prosperity, prestige, love and health".

re: #179 MandyManners

LOL!

Well, I mean, John always appears very concerned with

his hair

re: #221 sattv4u2

3 words ,,,, he's a POLITITIAN ,,,, they can be all things to all people at all times

You can't be a disgusting NOI loving, America hating, racist and hang out with others like that if you don't agree with them.

re: #75 tonysdca

Will the secret service go to bow ties?

yes, except when they sport the embroidered 'man- caftan' or what ever that thing is called.

Sean Penn warns Barack Obama at Cannes Film Festival opening
Penn joined fellow judge Natalie Portman on the red carpet for the premiere of the first night film, Blindness, a thriller starring Julianne Moore.

At a press conference beforehand, the actor, an outspoken critic of the Bush administration, offered his views on the Democratic nomination race.

Asked if he would be joining other Hollywood A-listers in pledging support for Obama, Penn gave him a less than ringing endorsement and warned that he has an awful lot to live up to. Spicolli

re: #79 zombie

"Social justice--Periodicals."? Somehow, I do not think that is the correct category for this magazine.

re: #230 bosforus

That old canard:

Whiteness = capitalism = inequality = oppression = racism

Blackness = socialism = forced equality = social justice = revenge

re: #231 offendi

Well, I mean, John always appears very concerned with

his hair

It's been a while but, I like this still.

re: #228 WrathofG-d

They should call him what Pacifica Radio does (and is most accurate): The "Progressive" (read: America hating leftis) candidate.

I hope people awake from their slumber before November.

BBL!

re: #238 VegasRick

I hope people awake from their slumber before November.

From talking to m friends (all Libs)...they wont.

re: #230 bosforus

the intricate relationship between racism and capitalism

Ugh.

re: #227 sarah

I would guess they have every issue in their church library, but I don't think they'd let me have a look. :D I'll just check the public library and hope I get lucky. I'll report to the lizardoids when I get back later tonight, hopefully it will be good news (not holding my breath though).

re: #240 WrathofG-d

From talking to m friends (all Libs)...they wont.

You need better friends

re: #236 zombie

That old canard:

Whiteness = capitalism = inequality = oppression = racism

Blackness = socialism = forced equality = social justice = revenge

At least nowadays spells aren't being cast on any white people for social justice. Well, excluding Code Pink.

re: #232 MandyManners

The politician can only be all things to a public which wants to be fooled.

We have an ample supply of both sides of this coin in the USA right now.

re: #241 Killgore Trout

Right.....tell that to these Black CEOs

re: #122 Dianna

Get the whole thing as a pdf. It's just electrons, and what isn't dirt on a first pass might well be dirt on a second or third.

Hell, zombie, I'll paypal you $50 toward the cost. Or Charles, or whoever.

One more reason to love all the Lizards at LGF! You guys are terrific! And you never cease to be amazing.

re: #243 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm a Jew from LA dude....what should I expect?

re: #219 WrathofG-d

Obama: a disingenuous RFK.

%u06E9 %u06E9 %u06E9 %u06E9 %u06E9 %u06E9 %u06E9 %u06E9 %u06E9 %u06E9 %u06E9 %u06E9

To put it nicely.

re: #241 Killgore Trout

Ugh.

He probably wouldn't have much of a problem with capitalism if an all black capitalist community was racist towards white people.

re: #156 mama winger

Yeah, but he has a lot to lose by choosing Carley Fiorina. She screwed up both Lucent and HP. Anybody who knows anything about her runs when her name is mentioned. She is possibly the most inept manager on the face of the earth.

re: #215 Slumbering Behemoth

I know their positions well enough, and I refuse to give them one thin dime. It'll be a cold day in hell before I financially support the distribution of racist screeds.

I just enjoy ruffling there feathers a bit. Me: Blue Eyed Devil poster boy. I gloss the headlines and then toss it in the nearest rubbish bin, usually in plain sight of them. Its worth the dollar to me to let them know that they are not intimidating all of us into silence ans submission.

re: #230 bosforus

"the Spiritual movement encourages its adherents and clients to accept mainstream American values and goals, such as material success and individual achievement - an orientation that unwittingly discourages critical examination of the process of victimization experienced by many Blacks in American society and often results in the objects of this process blaming themselves for their problems"

Seems what he's saying here is that the greatest good for blacks is to dwell on their victimization and blame others for their problems. And trying to succeed materially gets in the way of that. Is that pretty much the gist?

re: #253 Ackomanyuki

Take a copy, look at the cover/price, laugh your ass off, then hand it back. Just as effective, with the added bonus of not giving financial support to racists.

That's what I have done, and I haven't gotten my butt kicked doing it. Not yet, anyway.

re: #175 MandyManners

I cracked up when I saw that.

Where do they find women to write such drivel? You know it just had to come out of someone's thesis.

re: #249 WrathofG-d

I'm a Jew from LA dude....what should I expect?

True, probably why I left.

re: #254 jaunte

Seems what he's saying here is that the greatest good for blacks is to dwell on their victimization and blame others for their problems. And trying to succeed materially gets in the way of that. Is that pretty much the gist?

I wouldn't necessarily say that in this short piece that he advocates victimization, rather he appears to be saying that the error in what the blacks were doing was allowing themselves to become "adherents and clients to accept mainstream American values and goals" which unwittingly promotes racism and "often results in the objects of this process blaming themselves for their problems". So blacks end up blaming themselves even though it's not their fault, it's capitalism's fault and the American value system's fault. So what Wright indirectly argued in favor of was something for blacks that has nothing to do with the mainstream American value system. You can fill in the blanks of whatever belief system he thinks would bring equality and prosperity to blacks.

re: #237 MandyManners

It's been a while but, I like this still.

Nice butt

re: #242 Tasty Beverage

Keep me posted for sure. email me if you want. name's lit up.