It's war.

Wiki-Joos

Wikipalipedia.

I get peace from the belief that all of this shiot isn't going to matter in the end. The story has already been written and I'm just hoping we can get on with it, quick-like.

*goodnight to all the religious lizards (and everyone else too)* ;)

I had not considered joining the Wikipedia community before, to check articles and submit my own, but it looks like it might be a good thing to do.

re: #4 song_and_dance_man

If a majority of people believe a lie, while the minority believe the truth, that does not nullify the truth as truth and make the lie less deceitful. The truth always remains truth and the lie remains a lie no matter which is weighted with more that believe one or the other.

ok.

re: #4 song_and_dance_man

If a majority of people believe a lie, while the minority believe the truth, that does not nullify the truth as truth and make the lie less deceitful. The truth always remains truth and the lie remains a lie no matter which is weighted with more that believe one or the other.

Rev. 22
11 Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy."

15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

re: #1 rcris5

It's war.

For the last 14 centuries, or since the days of Adam, depending on how you want to reckon it.

re: #1 rcris5

It's war.

Watch what happens after Obama is inaugurated. Ahmadinejad doesn't promise Israel's destruction twice a week for no reason.

/Mahmoud's going to look pretty stupid if he doesn't eventually back up his threats

re: #6 jaunte

I've thought about that too... with all the time I spend online and also reading Wikipedia.

However, the wikipedia issues brought out by honestreporting show how large the challenges are to be involved in this sort of thing, and I have to ask myself if I have the time, or inclination to add to an effort while I remain anonymous.

Late news.

Video of Edwards endorsing BHO.

What a slimy, phony, snake oil salesman.

Here's some more subversion.

From an interview of L. Ron Hubbard, Jr. in Penthouse magazine:

Penthouse: And what about this Labor Party official?

Hubbard: He was a double agent for the KGB and for the British intelligence agency. He was also a raging homosexual. He wanted my father to use his black-magic, soul-cracking, brainwashing techniques on young boys. He wanted these boys as his own sexual slaves. He wanted to use my father's techniques to crack people's heads open because he was very influential in and around the British government --plus he was selling information to the Russians. And so was my father.

Penthouse: Your father was selling information to the Soviets?

Hubbard: Yes. That's where my father got the money to buy St. Hill Manor in East Grinstead, Sussex, which is the English headquarters of Scientology today.

Penthouse: What information did your father have to sell the Soviet government?

Hubbard: He didn't do any spying himself. What he normally did was allow these strange little people to go into the offices and into his home at odd hours of the night. He told me that he was allowing the KGB to go through our files, and that he was charging £40,000 for it. This was the money he used for the purchase of St. Hill Manor.

Penthouse: Do you know any specific information that the KGB got from your father that might have been harmful to security?

Hubbard: The plans for an infrared heat-seeking missile in the early fifties. They obtained the information by extensive auditing of the guy who was one of the head engineers. There were great infiltrations clear to this day. There has always been an inordinate interest on the part of Scientology in military and government personnel. There's no way for me to prove it sitting here, but I believe that the KGB trained East German agents who came via Denmark to London to the United States who were, supposedly, Scientologists. They made very good Scientologists. They were very well trained.

Penthouse: Did your father do this just for money?

Hubbard: Yes. The more he made, the more he wanted. He became greedy. He was really just interested in the use of money and power, wherever it was or whosoever's it was. Morality and politics made no difference to him at all.

_

re: #10 Killian Bundy

Watch what happens after Obama is inaugurated. Ahmadinejad doesn't promise Israel's destruction twice a week for no reason.

/Mahmoud's going to look pretty stupid if he doesn't eventually back up his threats

Israel intell recently estimated 2009 for Iran to have a bomb. With Lebanon and Gaza effectively under Iranian control, they don't need a delivery system. Just a donkey.

re: #12 jcm

Late news.

Video of Edwards endorsing BHO.

What a slimy, phony, snake oil salesman.

He is one of the supreme ambulance chasers.

re: #11 freetoken

My nighttime reading lately is Walid Phares' the War of Ideas. It has some bearing on the subject. Interesting.

taqqiyah. it's jihad.

re: #5 Israel4ever

If after all these years, The Protocols are still in print, and still believed down the the last dotted 'i'?

I don't see any change in Wiki, no matter what is said about this. Here is whatever info I could find on who runs it...

Does anyone have info on these scum buckets?

re: #14 jcm

Israel intell recently estimated 2009 for Iran to have a bomb. With Lebanon and Gaza effectively under Iranian control, they don't need a delivery system. Just a donkey.

Don't forget Syria.

/Egypt might want a piece too, for old times sake

re: #15 The Other Les

He is one of the supreme ambulance chasers.

Made a pretty penny channeling a dead girl.

Blood money every dime.

re: #19 Killian Bundy

Don't forget Syria.

/Egypt might want a piece too, for old times sake

Personally I think Assad is kissing Dinnerjacket's waffle.

I think we already knew that Wiki is not to be trusted on any political question.

On subjects like the Titanic or the Deutsches Kriegsmarine, you can trust it. But not on anything even remotely controversial.

re: #13 The Other Les

L. Ron was an evil man.

re: #22 Steffan

I think we already knew that Wiki is not to be trusted on any political question.

On subjects like the Titanic or the Deutsches Kriegsmarine, you can trust it. But not on anything even remotely controversial.

I use Wiki for quick first pass info. The general stuff, who, what, when.

Since I see that Q-Burn is continuing to insist (at Babba Zee's blog) that I was lying about Babba Zee's post #207 in last night's open thread, I've restored her post.

All of you who are insisting that Babba Zee never quoted the offensive post owe me an apology.

Here's another excerpt from the LRH, Jr. Interview:

Penthouse: What was the first example you can remember of your father's espionage activity?

Hubbard: I remember one day in 1944 when he came nome from the naval base where he was stationed in Oregon with a big, gray metal box under his arm. He put in our little attached garage and put a tarp over it. That weekend a couple of funny little guys came over to the house. I remember it was summer and they were wearing heavy woollen overcoats --dark brown overcoats. It stuck in my mind: what are they doing wearing overcoats when it's hotter than hell? I was only about ten at the time. Anyway, these big, sweating guys take the box and put in in their car and drive off. But before they'd come, I'd snuck a look in the box. It had this strange-looking object in it. I didn't know what the hell it was. Later on, in the fifties, I was walking through a war surplus store and I suddenly saw an object that was just like the one I'd seen in the box. It was the heart of the radar. During the war --when those men took it from our garage --it was super-secret, super-valuable, worth thousands of dollars. I remember that people were told to commit suicide if it ever got captured in order to blow it up.

Then, in 1955, I went to work in the Scientology office in London. I noticed a woman in the office doing strange things with strange people in the office, so I investigated her. I found out she was a card-carrying member of the Communist Party. I got very angry at her and broke into her apartment, where I found dozens of little code pads. They looked like little milk pads with a whole mess of letters and numbers on them. I had people follow her to the Russian Embassy. I finally wrote a long report to my father about her. He was furious. He told me not to investigate anymore, not to write anymore, not to tell anyone what I had found out, to destroy all my evidence. I yelled at him, "The goddamn Russians are running around the office and doing God knows what." He yelled back. "I want'em there!" He told me that she was placed there by the KGB with his knowledge and consent. This really bothered me. My grandfather, who was a lieutenant commander in the navy, had impressed me with his red-white-and-blue honor and integrity. He was an officer of the old school. 180 degrees different from my father, in fact, I credit him a great deal with my ability to get rid of Scientology and get my head straightened out, because his patriotism had gotten through to me and made me sour on what my father was doing in dealing with the Russians.

re: #23 jaunte

L. Ron was an evil man.

R2-45 will remove any doubts.

Here's the post:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

re: #19 Killian Bundy

Don't forget Syria.

/Egypt might want a piece too, for old times sake

I don't think the morons realize that weather comes from the west. Any fallout from a nuke in Israel will go east. Jordan and Iran will glow in the dark from a bomb in Israel.

re: #17 itellu3times

taqqiyah. it's jihad.

It's Nazipedia!

re: #29 Steffan

I don't think the morons realize that weather comes from the west. Any fallout from a nuke in Israel will go east. Jordan and Iran will glow in the dark from a bomb in Israel.

Dinnerjacket don't [deleted] care. He's into bringing about Armageddon to cause the 12th Imam to return and establish a world wide caliphate.

Nuke Israel, Israel turns Iran in a glowing hole in the ground.

Just perfect in Dinnerjacket's world.

You don't let madmen have sharp stick, let alone the keys to Armageddon.

re: #28 Charles

Wow...just wow. I looked at the thread. I can see why some were deleted.

Only 1 banned? You are a very patient man, Charles.

re: #27 jcm

My wife worked for a company that was infiltrated by Scientologists. Back in the mid '80's, she discovered some documents that mentioned R-45 and found out what it meant. She showed the documentation to an investigative reporter for oe of the local news stations, who wanted nothing to do with the COS.
The company was drained of its assets and went out of business. The COS is a parasitic organization.

I like Wikipedia, but I get so tired of the potential for lies. When you have to lie about your cause you are on shakey ground.

re: #28 Charles

Has Babba complained about being deleted.

I don't recall here griping this morning. Babba most likely isn't to upset by one post getting deleted because it quote the offensive rant. I've been deleted for quoting an offensive post, I figured that out then. No big deal.

It was a particularly obnoxious little twerp this morning.

Nothing more than a little clean up.

re: #27 jcm

Just don't mention that procedure anywhere around the workplace.

L. Ron Hubbards name is not mentioned in the Venona files nor in the Mitrokhin Archieve.

Is Junior angling for a book deal?

COVER
YER
EARS,
R

re: #27 jcm

R2-45 will remove any doubts.

Stunning. I am trying to find the humor.

re: #25 Charles

Since I see that Q-Burn is continuing to insist (at Babba Zee's blog) that I was lying about Babba Zee's post #207 in last night's open thread, I've restored her post.

All of you who are insisting that Babba Zee never quoted the offensive post owe me an apology.

All that over deleted comments?

/I didn't read the whole thread, but did the deletees even care?

re: #35 jcm

Lot's of people were bitching this morning about posts being deleted. I scrolled over the whole thing.

re: #37 Render

L. Ron Hubbards name is not mentioned in the Venona files nor in the Mitrokhin Archieve.

Is Junior angling for a book deal?

COVER
YER
EARS,
R

I think Junior died a few years ago.

re: #33 jaunte

My wife worked for a company that was infiltrated by Scientologists. Back in the mid '80's, she discovered some documents that mentioned R-45 and found out what it meant. She showed the documentation to an investigative reporter for oe of the local news stations, who wanted nothing to do with the COS.
The company was drained of its assets and went out of business. The COS is a parasitic organization.

I'm very liberal when it comes to what I'll tolerate in peoples religious beliefs.
COS strikes me more like the mob than a church.

You've got to pay for salvation?

Give me a break.

re: #29 Steffan

I don't think the morons realize that weather comes from the west. Any fallout from a nuke in Israel will go east. Jordan and Iran will glow in the dark from a bomb in Israel.

/I'm actually more concerned a bout a coordinated, conventional dogpile attack

re: #38 coquimbojoe

Stunning. I am trying to find the humor.

I included a "Reformed Church of Scientology" in two chapters of a fan fiction thing I wrote about five years ago.

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Lot's of people were bitching this morning about posts being deleted. I scrolled over the whole thing.

And they're still bitching at Babba Zee's blog.

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Me too... it just feels so childish, and a waste of time, all that ranting and raving and so forth...

re: #42 jcm

It's a blackmail scam, in my opinion. They 'audit' and find out what you're upset about in your life. Then you agree to pay for more auditing to get 'clear'. There are records. There is always the threat of exposure of that which you would most like to hide, if you back out and stop paying. It preys on the weak.

Also appearing at Babba Zee's blog -- 'Goodbye Natalie,' who was banned when he posted this to me:

I don't like Pat Robertson either because I think he's a phony. But that cuts both ways because you're no friend of Christians either Charles. There's an allowed double standard on this board from Catholic bashing to Protestant mocking that at the very least you allow. But you'd be real quick with the banning stick if somebody came in here mocking the Jews.

Is that because it might interfere with {umm, umm} personal opportunity?

Just so you know what's going on there.

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Lot's of people were bitching this morning about posts being deleted. I scrolled over the whole thing.

I didn't get up, stinky doing clean up.

Some drunk wanders in, lays a turd in the corner, and pukes on the coffee table. Things get cleaned up. It might be a nice magazine, but once it's puked on, out it goes.

It wasn't a big deal, till some folks started reading things into it.

re: #48 Charles

That' s so twisted even I don't understand it.
/

re: #47 jaunte

It's a blackmail scam, in my opinion. They 'audit' and find out what you're upset about in your life. Then you agree to pay for more auditing to get 'clear'. There are records. There is always the threat of exposure of that which you would most like to hide, if you back out and stop paying. It preys on the weak.

Good read on it.

re: #47 jaunte

It's a blackmail scam, in my opinion. They 'audit' and find out what you're upset about in your life. Then you agree to pay for more auditing to get 'clear'. There are records. There is always the threat of exposure of that which you would most like to hide, if you back out and stop paying. It preys on the weak.

Explains its popularity in Hollywood.

re: #42 jcm

I'm very liberal when it comes to what I'll tolerate in peoples religious beliefs.
COS strikes me more like the mob than a church.

You've got to pay for salvation?

Give me a break.

Years ago, while working for a DOD contractor, I called security to report a coworker who was getting pretty heavily involved in COS.

They told me that it was not something that they would or could look into because people were free to choose any religion they want.

I explained that it was in effect a "pay for salvation" system that would financial wreck anyone as sure as a gambling problem would. They then said they would look into it.

I doubt if they did.

re: #50 jaunte

Heh. I interpret that as a complaint about me.
/I'm egocentric

Wow and I thought my life was fucked up...glad I wasn`t here this morning!

re: #50 jaunte

That' s so twisted even I don't understand it.
/

Same here.

re: #54 Killgore Trout

re: #56 NY Nana

Ha!

re: #39 Killian Bundy

All that over deleted comments?

/I didn't read the whole thread, but did the deletees even care?

/nevermind

re: #41 The Other Les

ok, make that past tense.

Was Junior angling for a book deal at the time?

and...

US Naval radar systems of WW2 were quite large, on the order of 12ft x 3 foot for the oldest models. L. Ron didn't carry one of those around by himself.

[Link: www.navweaps.com...]

TOO
MANY
HOLES,
R

re: #57 jaunte

So sue me! ;) I really do not understand it. After reading that thread earlier this evening, when a lizard told me to look, I wish I had been warned about needing a hazmat suit.

re: #52 Fenway_Nation

Explains its popularity - [and effectiveness!] - in Hollywood.

re: #59 Render

ok, make that past tense.

Was Junior angling for a book deal at the time?

and...

US Naval radar systems of WW2 were quite large, on the order of 12ft x 3 foot for the oldest models. L. Ron didn't carry one of those around by himself.

[Link: www.navweaps.com...]

TOO
MANY
HOLES,
R

Not mention the power supplies, and vacuum tube electronics to run the thing.

Thinking that gullible high school and college students might use Wikipedia as source material in their studies makes me squirm.

I need to let people know that when this kind of stuff happens, and people start questioning my judgment in running the site and accusing me of lying, I start to consider shutting down comments altogether. If people take it so much for granted that they're going to accuse me of having sinister motives, or of allowing monitors to abuse their privileges, it makes me question why the hell I'm busting my ass to do this.

I'm not about to shut down comments at this point. But be aware that it's not out of the realm of possibility.

re: #59 Render

Rashomon effect?

re: #60 NY Nana

I don't really get it either. I figure this is Charles' room, and if he doesn't want something here, it goes, end of story. And knowing what's reasonable and acceptable is pretty simple.

re: #63 Sloppy

Thinking that gullible high school and college students might use Wikipedia as source material in their studies makes me squirm.

They don't teach how to evaluate sources anymore.

That why so many people believe science by press release. Come up with a impressive name, issue a press release of a "study" and presto the media creates a panic.

re: #63 Sloppy

Thinking that gullible high school and college students might use Wikipedia as source material in their studies makes me squirm.

Thinking that a credulous high school or college instructor would accept such a source makes me just as uncomfortable.

re: #5 Israel4ever

Amen to that, and we win, Thats exciting. A whole lot of shiite to go through but it all comes out in the end.

Well, again I've stayed up too late. Good night all.
Thanks, NY Nana, for all the encouraging dings!

re: #64 Charles

It has to make you feel like I do all this to be punched in the gut for my efforts...hang tough Charles,you are the man,and we appreciate your efforts!

re: #64 Charles

Charles,

I'm pretty open about my religious beliefs. I for one haven't had any problems with the way you run your site.

Bottom line. Lizards, grow a thicker skin, or stay out of the tough fights.

re: #66 jaunte

I don't really get it either. I figure this is Charles' room, and if he doesn't want something here, it goes, end of story. And knowing what's reasonable and acceptable is pretty simple.

Get outta mah head!

But I'll keep dingin' you up long as you keep pluckin' clear the stray sensible thought before I manage to begin typin' it out. :)

/less work fer me...

re: #48 Charles

Also appearing at Babba Zee's blog -- 'Goodbye Natalie,' who was banned when he posted this to me:

Just so you know what's going on there.

You know you've made it when there are other blogs devoted to whining about you. I know that is not the point of Babba's blog, but it is interesting all the people that go places to whine where they know other LGFers will be. For the record I like Babbas blog. It is different and I like her angles on things.

re: #64 Charles

Charles (in my soft and plaintive voice) ... you are busting your ass because you are making a site that serves a greater good. With this site, you are doing something noble with your life. Few of us could claim such purpose.

re: #70 jaunte

Sweet dreams, Juante!

I really love your posts.

I am going to say goodnight very soon...stupid virus won't go away. And we are supposed to go to Brooklyn today to see our 20 month old grandson...I just have to be better in the AM. I am not contagious anymore, but I would suggest buying Kleenex™ stock. ;)

re: #72 jcm

Charles,

I'm pretty open about my religious beliefs. I for one haven't had any problems with the way you run your site.

Bottom line. Lizards, grow a thicker skin, or stay out of the tough fights.

I have to agree. I bet on things religious, my beliefs would make many peoples' eyes cross. If I wanted an amen chorus I'd go to blogs specific to my coreligionists.

re: #75 hermeneutics

Charles (in my soft and plaintive voice) ... you are busting your ass because you are making a site that serves a greater good. With this site, you are doing something noble with your life. Few of us could claim such purpose.

Between Charles thread subjects and the spinoff links I find my self ahead of the normal news cycles.

re: #64 Charles

I need to let people know that when this kind of stuff happens, and people start questioning my judgment in running the site and accusing me of lying, I start to consider shutting down comments altogether. If people take it so much for granted that they're going to accuse me of having sinister motives, or of allowing monitors to abuse their privileges, I really start to wonder why the hell I'm busting my ass to do this.

I'm not about to shut down comments at this point. But be aware that it's not out of the realm of possibility.

personally,I think that there was some bad mojo unleashed amongst the Lizards and by the Lizards on certain threads (I'm thinking the hellacious Easter-time Pope thread and the various evolution/creationism/ID monstrosities)..almost as if some ,on all sides of arguments, were determined to go down smoking and seething and generally not dealing well with those of contrary opinions..this seems to have carried over into many threads and I sure hope that it calms down..then again,some of this crapola has been warred over for millenia,what hope is there really that it will calm down here? here's hoping it does,and that the important work and mission of LGF continues..inshalla

re: #64 Charles

I appreciate the work that you have put into this.

I appreciate and approve of the rules that you have asked us to live by. They are right and just.

re: #64 Charles

I don't know why anyone thinks discussing killing people is acceptable anywhere. If you shut down comments, I might actually become productive at work. Heaven forfend! This blog is greatly appreciated.

re: #66 jaunte

I don't really get it either. I figure this is Charles' room, and if he doesn't want something here, it goes, end of story. And knowing what's reasonable and acceptable is pretty simple.

Exactly. And I have gone OTT more than I want to remember, but IIRC, only 2 deletions. I hope it never goes higher!

What I read on that thread, by some lizards who should know better, was the equivalent of soiling the host's carpets, and grinding it in.

I wonder if there would be any measurable effect on the economy if Charles suddenly disabled comments.

The thing about ones religious beliefs, is that if they really believe, there is nothing that some one can say to shake that belief. Let remarks bounce off, they change nothing.

re: #78 jcm

I suppose we're ahead of news cycles, but what I like best is the broad range of perspective on issues that matter. I've re-thought Israel's role in Mideast affairs,, for instance, and have thoroughly enjoyed reading Jewish perspectives on this, and other issues.

Where else could I ask why Jews vote D?

I like the contentious threads, by the way.

G'nite, all!

I promised myself that I would be asleep by 2 AM, and will...but not in my time zone.

re: #85 hermeneutics

I suppose we're ahead of news cycles, but what I like best is the broad range of perspective on issues that matter. I've re-thought Israel's role in Mideast affairs,, for instance, and have thoroughly enjoyed reading Jewish perspectives on this, and other issues.

Where else could I ask why Jews vote D?

I like the contentious threads, by the way.

contention is great..hysterics and whining suck

re: #86 NY Nana

Good night nana.

YOUNGME - NOWME
/G'nite, Y'all

re: #78 jcm

No kidding. I hear things on the radio, two sometimes three days after I read it here.

Between Charles' posts and the spin off links, I am better informed about what is really going on than most Americans.

Thank you for your efforts Charles. This is your home and I for one am grateful to be allowed to visit.

im not a internutz master or anyhting but its pretty obvious that wiki pedia is full infiltrated by jihadi scumbags. its also obvous im drunk. LOL! cheers

Have only been posting for a short while, but have been lurking for along time. I remember Rayra, and Reagonite, and those flame wars were not helpful to anyone. Argue your point but stay civil, there is much to learn from each other.

re: #85 hermeneutics

I like the contentious threads, by the way.

I do too, sharpens the skills, makes one think and evaluate ones on position and others. A great learning opportunity.

I have a couple of rules:
Don't take offense
Ignore the personal attacks, it's usually a sign the other side is losing.
Don't intentionally offend.

Finally a perspective on faith.
If my faith can't take a few sharp barbs on a blog, then what is it? How will it stand to real trials?

Night all as usual you all have kept me up past my bedtime (plays victim card).

It is easy to take liberty for granted, when you have never had it taken from you.
~Dick Cheney

Jihad wherever the eye can see.

Got to find a way to deal with this digital jihad somehow...

re: #89 Killgore Trout

That's cool...

This is no surprise to me. I have been monitoring Wiki for a while. Muslims, Moonbats, Weirods, Pedophiles, Gays, constantaly rewrite history, biology, and sociological articles. Even scientific articles have been falsified.

"It's gotta be the Jooos"

Mars Blackman

re: #91 song_and_dance_man

Are you saying something is going on there that is objectionable?

Color me curious, but I find that post troublesome, and be it far from me to question your motive, but in all honesty, I cannot fathom why a banned poster from LGF would be a concern of yours if they showed up on another blog.

/do you like people dissing you behind your back?

re: #94 jcm

Zactly. Good night friends.

re: #86 NY Nana

Nite

re: #87 joecitizen

Because we're anonymous, we generally give each other latitude in remarks that we'd NEVER tolerate or generate in "real life."

The facelessness of the blog has the effect of liberating us from restraint, which means that we say what we really think -- the unvarnished truth. The lack of varnish or social constraint also makes Charles' blog a simmering pot of personalities ... writ big.

I guess that describes the whining and hysterics of some. They're unconstrained socially because of anonymity.

Really, the entire "virtual" experience is bizarre. Human history has always had face-to-face accountability. Well, not always. I thinking of masked balls. Unsigned editorials. Halloween.

re: #91 song_and_dance_man

Are you saying something is going on there that is objectionable?

Color me curious, but I find that post troublesome, and be it far from me to question your motive, but in all honesty, I cannot fathom why a banned poster from LGF would be a concern of yours if they showed up on another blog.

What's going on there is that there are a few people salivating at the prospect of turning BZ's blog into another LGF-bashing center. Thankfully, she's not going to allow that -- but I posted that comment from 'Goodbye Natalie' so that people who read that crap will know exactly why he's not welcome here.

re: #103 hermeneutics

Because we're anonymous, we generally give each other latitude in remarks that we'd NEVER tolerate or generate in "real life."

The facelessness of the blog has the effect of liberating us from restraint, which means that we say what we really think -- the unvarnished truth. The lack of varnish or social constraint also makes Charles' blog a simmering pot of personalities ... writ big.

I guess that describes the whining and hysterics of some. They're unconstrained socially because of anonymity.

Really, the entire "virtual" experience is bizarre. Human history has always had face-to-face accountability. Well, not always. I thinking of masked balls. Unsigned editorials. Halloween.

Politics.

re: #105 joecitizen

Yes, politics! Secret ballots. Backroom shenanigans. (I had to look up the spelling of shenanigans!)

Babba will not allow that. Has banned the banned. And is a friend of mine.

re: #104 Charles

You know, Charles, I wish we could chat with you face-to-face so you'd see our appreciation ... and feel it.

re: #104 Charles

What's going on there is that there are a few people salivating at the prospect of turning BZ's blog into another LGF-bashing center. Thankfully, she's not going to allow that -- but I posted that comment from 'Goodbye Natalie' so that people who read that crap will know exactly why he's not welcome here.

Disabling comments would be unfortunate because, despite the warts, there's an invaluable amount of enlightening, informative, and intelligent discussion that occurs in the LGF comments on a daily basis.

/then again, I'm not the one with 20K boisterous strangers in my living room that rarely clean up after themselves

Charles, thanks for all you do in running THE premier anti-jihad blog on the net. Its sad when so called mature adults cannot conduct themselves with a minimal level of decorum. Its also sad when long term lizards feel the need to abuse your hospitality. I sincerely hope comments will continue to be published, as I learn a lot from them. I was a long-term reader before I had an account and will continue to be, come what may.

re: #108 hermeneutics

You know, Charles, I wish we could chat with you face-to-face so you'd see our appreciation ... and feel it.

The first National Lizard Convention in Vegas 2010 where we plot and plan how to unseat a sitting republican(nominally) president,replacing him with a true philosopher-king like Victor Davis Hanson...

re: #111 joecitizen

I can't wait that long. Gosh, VDH is great, isn't he?

It took me almost four years to stump Kilgore.

Please don't make me chase the luthier around the rest of the innernets for another four years.

HOLDING
MY
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re: #103 hermeneutics

Because we're anonymous, we generally give each other latitude in remarks that we'd NEVER tolerate or generate in "real life."

The facelessness of the blog has the effect of liberating us from restraint, which means that we say what we really think -- the unvarnished truth. The lack of varnish or social constraint also makes Charles' blog a simmering pot of personalities ... writ big.

I guess that describes the whining and hysterics of some. They're unconstrained socially because of anonymity.

Really, the entire "virtual" experience is bizarre. Human history has always had face-to-face accountability. Well, not always. I thinking of masked balls. Unsigned editorials. Halloween.

And if we are careful, it could devolve into a horror show of the unrestrained id.

I worry that the coarseness that we see in its more extreme forms such as at KOS and Huffpo, or even on defunct forums like the old Yahoo bbs boards, could spill over into real life as people forget the value of being civil to one another, behaving in person no better then they behave online.

re: #112 hermeneutics

I can't wait that long. Gosh, VDH is great, isn't he?

yes..I believe it's possible we've never had a person of his caliber in that position..if there was a God,he would be seriously considered,but as a non believer I'm thinking we'll continue to get only what our humanness allows..alas

re: #114 Syrah

And if we are careful, it could devolve into a horror show of the unrestrained id.

I worry that the coarseness that we see in its more extreme forms such as at KOS and Huffpo, or even on defunct forums like the old Yahoo bbs boards, could spill over into real life as people forget the value of being civil to one another, behaving in person no better then they behave online.

I believe we are seeing that already,more and more each day..

This is for everyone on the thread! My sincere desire for all...

re: #114 Syrah
... the coarseness that we see in its more extreme forms such as at KOS and Huffpo, or even on defunct forums like the old Yahoo bbs boards, could spill over into real life as people forget the value of being civil to one another...

I fear that too. One of the distinguishing traits of this blog is civility. Occasional passion doesn't bother me, but unrestrained anger -- even justified anger -- suggests that commenters are forgetting civility. Simple politeness creates a civil atmosphere. And how hard is that?

re: #115 joecitizen

I've never seen VDH in person, but I imagine him to be a good listener.

re: #116 joecitizen

I believe we are seeing that already,more and more each day..

Like the old scifi film Forbidden Planet, where the internet is the mind machine that released the id of the people that created it, resulting in their destruction.

re: #120 hermeneutics

I've never seen VDH in person, but I imagine him to be a good listener.

Marcus Aurelius would have sure been proud..

re: #118 hermeneutics

I fear that too. One of the distinguishing traits of this blog is civility. Occasional passion doesn't bother me, but unrestrained anger -- even justified anger -- suggests that commenters are forgetting civility. Simple politeness creates a civil atmosphere. And how hard is that?

This is a very narcissistic age. It may be impossible for too many.

re: #122 joecitizen

Good night, Joe. I've enjoyed your text.

Good night, Syrah!

re: #124 hermeneutics

Good night, Joe. I've enjoyed your text.

Likewise..may all yer dreams be scaley..

re: #125 hermeneutics

Good night, Syrah!

Goodnight to you, and to the thread snake.

(what an interesting creature.)

re: #48 Charles

I may be blind in one eye, but I really do not see a double standard. I agree that it was a vile retort from the aforementioned banned, from a person who doesn't have to worry if their house is going to be standing today. Typical of a Notinmybackyard person, Life is a bowl of cherries twit. You do a bang-up job Mr. Charles Johnson, and I agree with the majority of posters, although a lot of subject matter is disseminated, it all says AMERICA!

re: #128 Berlinsun

Get off of the internet and back to work!

I lurk, you work.

Heh.

The admins at work:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Wikipedia was supposed to be an "experiment" in electronic journalism.

The experiment was over a while ago, and its a failure.

Its been documented again and again that Wiki articles are highly subject to partisan manipulation by interested parties, or indeed ANYONE with an agenda, and the process to ensure it doesn't happen in flawed.

One of the most common examples is people/organzations editing their own entries, about the most obvious example of partisanship possible.

Pretty much *any* article with historical or potentially controversial content is likely to be biased, in some cases to the point where the article itself is nearly fictional.

Dont you know...hating j00s is the cool thing to do now! Everyone is on board and if you dont your just a square. At this rate they'll convince the jewish community to hate themselves.

re: #132 stead63

Dont you know...hating j00s is the cool thing to do now! Everyone is on board and if you dont your just a square. At this rate they'll convince the jewish community to hate themselves.

Well, at times, I am not that fond of myself but it is never my Judaism that makes me dislike myself. My weight, my disorganization, my hair color- but I always love being a Jew. Without my religion, I could not be part of the 14,000,000 who control the world.

How dare you challenge the Wisdom of Crowds!

BBL.re: #104 Charles

What's going on there is that there are a few people salivating at the prospect of turning BZ's blog into another LGF-bashing center. Thankfully, she's not going to allow that -- but I posted that comment from 'Goodbye Natalie' so that people who read that crap will know exactly why he's not welcome here.

Just skimmed this thread.
I am amazed by the self-destructive self-defeating religious and sectarian violence - not in the Middle East where I expect it, but rather right here on LGF.
I have not seen Babba Zee's blog - I think I'll mosey on over there for a little visit just to see for myself.
BBL.

The internet is a wonderful tool. It affords access masses of information in the blink of an eye. It is however unfortunate that our young people today are being "educated" by the masses and not by our educated elite. Unfortunately it is assumed by many young people today that a source like Wiki is no different that a book by a mideast scholar. all academic institutions, including grade schools must speak in a clear voice, that Wiki is not a scholarly source. Its use as a resource material should be rejected clearly.

Now Q-Burn is at BZ's blog, insinuating that I edited BabbaZee's post to insert that quote.

I didn't, of course.

This is really getting sick.

I think Wikipedia is definitely leaning left, and probably much nicer to Islam than to say Christianity. Although it is difficult to get any kind of overall picture with such a big project. The irony is that everybody thinks Wikipedia is biased against them. I have often seen that Muslim Wikipedians think Wikipedia is heavily anti-Muslim. Neo-Nazis thinks it is heavily pro-Israel and like to call it Jewpedia. etc.

But there are definitely a number of Muslim writers which are doing their utmost to change articles to do with Islam. The article on Hizb ut-Tahrir used for a long time to stated for a fact that "Sharia had answers to every question in life". etc.

It don’t matter if one thinks Wikipedia is flawed from the start. It is a fact that it is used by millions of people around the world. So the best thing you can do is at least try to move it in a more acceptable direction. And I can only encourage people to sign up and help. Pick out 20 or 30 articles of interest and put them on your watch list. That way you can check in once in a while and see if they – or more likely how – they have been changed.