It's war.

Wiki-Joos

Wikipalipedia.

If a majority of people believe a lie, while the minority believe the truth, that does not nullify the truth as truth and make the lie less deceitful. The truth always remains truth and the lie remains a lie no matter which is weighted with more that believe one or the other.

I get peace from the belief that all of this shiot isn't going to matter in the end. The story has already been written and I'm just hoping we can get on with it, quick-like.

*goodnight to all the religious lizards (and everyone else too)* ;)

I had not considered joining the Wikipedia community before, to check articles and submit my own, but it looks like it might be a good thing to do.

re: #4 song_and_dance_man

If a majority of people believe a lie, while the minority believe the truth, that does not nullify the truth as truth and make the lie less deceitful. The truth always remains truth and the lie remains a lie no matter which is weighted with more that believe one or the other.

ok.

re: #4 song_and_dance_man

If a majority of people believe a lie, while the minority believe the truth, that does not nullify the truth as truth and make the lie less deceitful. The truth always remains truth and the lie remains a lie no matter which is weighted with more that believe one or the other.

Rev. 22
11 Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy."

15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

re: #1 rcris5

It's war.

For the last 14 centuries, or since the days of Adam, depending on how you want to reckon it.

re: #1 rcris5

It's war.

Watch what happens after Obama is inaugurated. Ahmadinejad doesn't promise Israel's destruction twice a week for no reason.

/Mahmoud's going to look pretty stupid if he doesn't eventually back up his threats

re: #6 jaunte

I've thought about that too... with all the time I spend online and also reading Wikipedia.

However, the wikipedia issues brought out by honestreporting show how large the challenges are to be involved in this sort of thing, and I have to ask myself if I have the time, or inclination to add to an effort while I remain anonymous.

Late news.

Video of Edwards endorsing BHO.

What a slimy, phony, snake oil salesman.

Here's some more subversion.

From an interview of L. Ron Hubbard, Jr. in Penthouse magazine:

Penthouse: And what about this Labor Party official?

Hubbard: He was a double agent for the KGB and for the British intelligence agency. He was also a raging homosexual. He wanted my father to use his black-magic, soul-cracking, brainwashing techniques on young boys. He wanted these boys as his own sexual slaves. He wanted to use my father's techniques to crack people's heads open because he was very influential in and around the British government --plus he was selling information to the Russians. And so was my father.

Penthouse: Your father was selling information to the Soviets?

Hubbard: Yes. That's where my father got the money to buy St. Hill Manor in East Grinstead, Sussex, which is the English headquarters of Scientology today.

Penthouse: What information did your father have to sell the Soviet government?

Hubbard: He didn't do any spying himself. What he normally did was allow these strange little people to go into the offices and into his home at odd hours of the night. He told me that he was allowing the KGB to go through our files, and that he was charging £40,000 for it. This was the money he used for the purchase of St. Hill Manor.

Penthouse: Do you know any specific information that the KGB got from your father that might have been harmful to security?

Hubbard: The plans for an infrared heat-seeking missile in the early fifties. They obtained the information by extensive auditing of the guy who was one of the head engineers. There were great infiltrations clear to this day. There has always been an inordinate interest on the part of Scientology in military and government personnel. There's no way for me to prove it sitting here, but I believe that the KGB trained East German agents who came via Denmark to London to the United States who were, supposedly, Scientologists. They made very good Scientologists. They were very well trained.

Penthouse: Did your father do this just for money?

Hubbard: Yes. The more he made, the more he wanted. He became greedy. He was really just interested in the use of money and power, wherever it was or whosoever's it was. Morality and politics made no difference to him at all.

_

re: #10 Killian Bundy

Watch what happens after Obama is inaugurated. Ahmadinejad doesn't promise Israel's destruction twice a week for no reason.

/Mahmoud's going to look pretty stupid if he doesn't eventually back up his threats

Israel intell recently estimated 2009 for Iran to have a bomb. With Lebanon and Gaza effectively under Iranian control, they don't need a delivery system. Just a donkey.

re: #12 jcm

Late news.

Video of Edwards endorsing BHO.

What a slimy, phony, snake oil salesman.

He is one of the supreme ambulance chasers.

re: #11 freetoken

My nighttime reading lately is Walid Phares' the War of Ideas. It has some bearing on the subject. Interesting.

taqqiyah. it's jihad.

re: #5 Israel4ever

If after all these years, The Protocols are still in print, and still believed down the the last dotted 'i'?

I don't see any change in Wiki, no matter what is said about this. Here is whatever info I could find on who runs it...

Does anyone have info on these scum buckets?

re: #14 jcm

Israel intell recently estimated 2009 for Iran to have a bomb. With Lebanon and Gaza effectively under Iranian control, they don't need a delivery system. Just a donkey.

Don't forget Syria.

/Egypt might want a piece too, for old times sake

re: #15 The Other Les

He is one of the supreme ambulance chasers.

Made a pretty penny channeling a dead girl.

Blood money every dime.

re: #19 Killian Bundy

Don't forget Syria.

/Egypt might want a piece too, for old times sake

Personally I think Assad is kissing Dinnerjacket's waffle.

I think we already knew that Wiki is not to be trusted on any political question.

On subjects like the Titanic or the Deutsches Kriegsmarine, you can trust it. But not on anything even remotely controversial.

re: #13 The Other Les

L. Ron was an evil man.

re: #22 Steffan

I think we already knew that Wiki is not to be trusted on any political question.

On subjects like the Titanic or the Deutsches Kriegsmarine, you can trust it. But not on anything even remotely controversial.

I use Wiki for quick first pass info. The general stuff, who, what, when.

Since I see that Q-Burn is continuing to insist (at Babba Zee's blog) that I was lying about Babba Zee's post #207 in last night's open thread, I've restored her post.

All of you who are insisting that Babba Zee never quoted the offensive post owe me an apology.

Here's another excerpt from the LRH, Jr. Interview:

Penthouse: What was the first example you can remember of your father's espionage activity?

Hubbard: I remember one day in 1944 when he came nome from the naval base where he was stationed in Oregon with a big, gray metal box under his arm. He put in our little attached garage and put a tarp over it. That weekend a couple of funny little guys came over to the house. I remember it was summer and they were wearing heavy woollen overcoats --dark brown overcoats. It stuck in my mind: what are they doing wearing overcoats when it's hotter than hell? I was only about ten at the time. Anyway, these big, sweating guys take the box and put in in their car and drive off. But before they'd come, I'd snuck a look in the box. It had this strange-looking object in it. I didn't know what the hell it was. Later on, in the fifties, I was walking through a war surplus store and I suddenly saw an object that was just like the one I'd seen in the box. It was the heart of the radar. During the war --when those men took it from our garage --it was super-secret, super-valuable, worth thousands of dollars. I remember that people were told to commit suicide if it ever got captured in order to blow it up.

Then, in 1955, I went to work in the Scientology office in London. I noticed a woman in the office doing strange things with strange people in the office, so I investigated her. I found out she was a card-carrying member of the Communist Party. I got very angry at her and broke into her apartment, where I found dozens of little code pads. They looked like little milk pads with a whole mess of letters and numbers on them. I had people follow her to the Russian Embassy. I finally wrote a long report to my father about her. He was furious. He told me not to investigate anymore, not to write anymore, not to tell anyone what I had found out, to destroy all my evidence. I yelled at him, "The goddamn Russians are running around the office and doing God knows what." He yelled back. "I want'em there!" He told me that she was placed there by the KGB with his knowledge and consent. This really bothered me. My grandfather, who was a lieutenant commander in the navy, had impressed me with his red-white-and-blue honor and integrity. He was an officer of the old school. 180 degrees different from my father, in fact, I credit him a great deal with my ability to get rid of Scientology and get my head straightened out, because his patriotism had gotten through to me and made me sour on what my father was doing in dealing with the Russians.

re: #23 jaunte

L. Ron was an evil man.

R2-45 will remove any doubts.

Here's the post:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

re: #19 Killian Bundy

Don't forget Syria.

/Egypt might want a piece too, for old times sake

I don't think the morons realize that weather comes from the west. Any fallout from a nuke in Israel will go east. Jordan and Iran will glow in the dark from a bomb in Israel.

re: #17 itellu3times

taqqiyah. it's jihad.

It's Nazipedia!

re: #29 Steffan

I don't think the morons realize that weather comes from the west. Any fallout from a nuke in Israel will go east. Jordan and Iran will glow in the dark from a bomb in Israel.

Dinnerjacket don't [deleted] care. He's into bringing about Armageddon to cause the 12th Imam to return and establish a world wide caliphate.

Nuke Israel, Israel turns Iran in a glowing hole in the ground.

Just perfect in Dinnerjacket's world.

You don't let madmen have sharp stick, let alone the keys to Armageddon.

re: #28 Charles

Wow...just wow. I looked at the thread. I can see why some were deleted.

Only 1 banned? You are a very patient man, Charles.

re: #27 jcm

My wife worked for a company that was infiltrated by Scientologists. Back in the mid '80's, she discovered some documents that mentioned R-45 and found out what it meant. She showed the documentation to an investigative reporter for oe of the local news stations, who wanted nothing to do with the COS.
The company was drained of its assets and went out of business. The COS is a parasitic organization.

I like Wikipedia, but I get so tired of the potential for lies. When you have to lie about your cause you are on shakey ground.

re: #28 Charles

Has Babba complained about being deleted.

I don't recall here griping this morning. Babba most likely isn't to upset by one post getting deleted because it quote the offensive rant. I've been deleted for quoting an offensive post, I figured that out then. No big deal.

It was a particularly obnoxious little twerp this morning.

Nothing more than a little clean up.

re: #27 jcm

Just don't mention that procedure anywhere around the workplace.

L. Ron Hubbards name is not mentioned in the Venona files nor in the Mitrokhin Archieve.

Is Junior angling for a book deal?

COVER
YER
EARS,
R

re: #27 jcm

R2-45 will remove any doubts.

Stunning. I am trying to find the humor.

re: #25 Charles

Since I see that Q-Burn is continuing to insist (at Babba Zee's blog) that I was lying about Babba Zee's post #207 in last night's open thread, I've restored her post.

All of you who are insisting that Babba Zee never quoted the offensive post owe me an apology.

All that over deleted comments?

/I didn't read the whole thread, but did the deletees even care?

re: #35 jcm

Lot's of people were bitching this morning about posts being deleted. I scrolled over the whole thing.

re: #37 Render

L. Ron Hubbards name is not mentioned in the Venona files nor in the Mitrokhin Archieve.

Is Junior angling for a book deal?

COVER
YER
EARS,
R

I think Junior died a few years ago.

re: #33 jaunte

My wife worked for a company that was infiltrated by Scientologists. Back in the mid '80's, she discovered some documents that mentioned R-45 and found out what it meant. She showed the documentation to an investigative reporter for oe of the local news stations, who wanted nothing to do with the COS.
The company was drained of its assets and went out of business. The COS is a parasitic organization.

I'm very liberal when it comes to what I'll tolerate in peoples religious beliefs.
COS strikes me more like the mob than a church.

You've got to pay for salvation?

Give me a break.

re: #29 Steffan

I don't think the morons realize that weather comes from the west. Any fallout from a nuke in Israel will go east. Jordan and Iran will glow in the dark from a bomb in Israel.

/I'm actually more concerned a bout a coordinated, conventional dogpile attack

re: #38 coquimbojoe

Stunning. I am trying to find the humor.

I included a "Reformed Church of Scientology" in two chapters of a fan fiction thing I wrote about five years ago.

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Lot's of people were bitching this morning about posts being deleted. I scrolled over the whole thing.

And they're still bitching at Babba Zee's blog.

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Me too... it just feels so childish, and a waste of time, all that ranting and raving and so forth...

re: #42 jcm

It's a blackmail scam, in my opinion. They 'audit' and find out what you're upset about in your life. Then you agree to pay for more auditing to get 'clear'. There are records. There is always the threat of exposure of that which you would most like to hide, if you back out and stop paying. It preys on the weak.

Also appearing at Babba Zee's blog -- 'Goodbye Natalie,' who was banned when he posted this to me:

I don't like Pat Robertson either because I think he's a phony. But that cuts both ways because you're no friend of Christians either Charles. There's an allowed double standard on this board from Catholic bashing to Protestant mocking that at the very least you allow. But you'd be real quick with the banning stick if somebody came in here mocking the Jews.

Is that because it might interfere with {umm, umm} personal opportunity?

Just so you know what's going on there.

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Lot's of people were bitching this morning about posts being deleted. I scrolled over the whole thing.

I didn't get up, stinky doing clean up.

Some drunk wanders in, lays a turd in the corner, and pukes on the coffee table. Things get cleaned up. It might be a nice magazine, but once it's puked on, out it goes.

It wasn't a big deal, till some folks started reading things into it.

re: #48 Charles

That' s so twisted even I don't understand it.
/

re: #47 jaunte

It's a blackmail scam, in my opinion. They 'audit' and find out what you're upset about in your life. Then you agree to pay for more auditing to get 'clear'. There are records. There is always the threat of exposure of that which you would most like to hide, if you back out and stop paying. It preys on the weak.

Good read on it.

re: #47 jaunte

It's a blackmail scam, in my opinion. They 'audit' and find out what you're upset about in your life. Then you agree to pay for more auditing to get 'clear'. There are records. There is always the threat of exposure of that which you would most like to hide, if you back out and stop paying. It preys on the weak.

Explains its popularity in Hollywood.

re: #42 jcm

I'm very liberal when it comes to what I'll tolerate in peoples religious beliefs.
COS strikes me more like the mob than a church.

You've got to pay for salvation?

Give me a break.

Years ago, while working for a DOD contractor, I called security to report a coworker who was getting pretty heavily involved in COS.

They told me that it was not something that they would or could look into because people were free to choose any religion they want.

I explained that it was in effect a "pay for salvation" system that would financial wreck anyone as sure as a gambling problem would. They then said they would look into it.

I doubt if they did.

re: #50 jaunte

Heh. I interpret that as a complaint about me.
/I'm egocentric

Wow and I thought my life was fucked up...glad I wasn`t here this morning!

re: #50 jaunte

That' s so twisted even I don't understand it.
/

Same here.

re: #54 Killgore Trout

re: #56 NY Nana

Ha!

re: #39 Killian Bundy

All that over deleted comments?

/I didn't read the whole thread, but did the deletees even care?

/nevermind

re: #41 The Other Les

ok, make that past tense.

Was Junior angling for a book deal at the time?

and...

US Naval radar systems of WW2 were quite large, on the order of 12ft x 3 foot for the oldest models. L. Ron didn't carry one of those around by himself.

[Link: www.navweaps.com...]

TOO
MANY
HOLES,
R

re: #57 jaunte

So sue me! ;) I really do not understand it. After reading that thread earlier this evening, when a lizard told me to look, I wish I had been warned about needing a hazmat suit.

re: #52 Fenway_Nation

Explains its popularity - [and effectiveness!] - in Hollywood.

re: #59 Render

ok, make that past tense.

Was Junior angling for a book deal at the time?

and...

US Naval radar systems of WW2 were quite large, on the order of 12ft x 3 foot for the oldest models. L. Ron didn't carry one of those around by himself.

[Link: www.navweaps.com...]

TOO
MANY
HOLES,
R

Not mention the power supplies, and vacuum tube electronics to run the thing.

Thinking that gullible high school and college students might use Wikipedia as source material in their studies makes me squirm.

I need to let people know that when this kind of stuff happens, and people start questioning my judgment in running the site and accusing me of lying, I start to consider shutting down comments altogether. If people take it so much for granted that they're going to accuse me of having sinister motives, or of allowing monitors to abuse their privileges, it makes me question why the hell I'm busting my ass to do this.

I'm not about to shut down comments at this point. But be aware that it's not out of the realm of possibility.

re: #59 Render

Rashomon effect?

re: #60 NY Nana

I don't really get it either. I figure this is Charles' room, and if he doesn't want something here, it goes, end of story. And knowing what's reasonable and acceptable is pretty simple.

re: #63 Sloppy

Thinking that gullible high school and college students might use Wikipedia as source material in their studies makes me squirm.

They don't teach how to evaluate sources anymore.

That why so many people believe science by press release. Come up with a impressive name, issue a press release of a "study" and presto the media creates a panic.

re: #63 Sloppy

Thinking that gullible high school and college students might use Wikipedia as source material in their studies makes me squirm.

Thinking that a credulous high school or college instructor would accept such a source makes me just as uncomfortable.

re: #5 Israel4ever

Amen to that, and we win, Thats exciting. A whole lot of shiite to go through but it all comes out in the end.

Well, again I've stayed up too late. Good night all.
Thanks, NY Nana, for all the encouraging dings!

re: #64 Charles

It has to make you feel like I do all this to be punched in the gut for my efforts...hang tough Charles,you are the man,and we appreciate your efforts!

re: #64 Charles

Charles,

I'm pretty open about my religious beliefs. I for one haven't had any problems with the way you run your site.

Bottom line. Lizards, grow a thicker skin, or stay out of the tough fights.