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Daily Kos and Others on Jihad

Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:23:08 am PDT

Jeffrey Imm has a detailed report on the efforts to disguise and redefine the word “jihad,” taking place at the Department of Homeland Security, the National Counter Terrorism Center — and the Daily Kos.

What do the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), National Counter Terrorism Center (NCTC), and the Daily Kos all have in common? They are all seeking to define the enemy as other than “jihadists”.

A. Daily Kos: Jihad Not Terrorism

Three weeks after AP’s report of the NCTC/DHS recommendations to eliminate the term “jihadist” (among others) from the lexicon describing Jihadist terrorism, the latest salvo in this “war of ideas” was published on the popular Daily Kos web site by “Amad” on May 12: “Who Speaks for Islam? Part 3b: Jihad, Religion & Politics”. The Daily Kos author states that to “most Muslims, jihad implies honor and sacrifice for others”, and “[u]sing jihad and terrorism as synonyms is wrong and counterproductive” — seeking to define the threat as “extremism”. The article also expands on the real cause of “extremism” as “disrespect for Islam”, “aggressive” U.S. foreign policy, and “double-standards exhibited by the US on democracy and human-rights”. It quotes a student at the American University of Cairo as condemning U.S. foreign policy: “Bush has given Israel carte blanch to attack Palestinians and Lebanese. The war on terror is an open-ended war on Muslims.”

Daily Kos provides a biography on “Amad” stating: “Amad runs MuslimMatters.org... [and]... was one of the founders of Texas Dawah.” Amad’s blogroll on Daily Kos promotes MuslimMatters.org and CAIR. What Daily Kos does not mention is who some of the participants at Texas Dawah meetings and at the MuslimMatters.org website are, as they include supporters of jihadist groups, unindicted co-conspirators in U.S. terror trials, and supporters of the Taliban.
Texas Dawah 2007 convention speakers included:

- Siraj Wahhaj - “unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing”. “Blind Sheik” Omar Abdel-Rahman attended Imam Wahhaj’s mosque and gave a lecture at the mosque stating “Muslims should rob banks to benefit Islam”. Siraj Wahhaj has reportedly called for replacing the U.S. government with an Islamic caliphate.

- Imam Johari Abdul-Malik - outreach director for Dar al-Hijrah mosque where “Virginia 11” member Ali Asad Chandia attended (supporter of Lashkar-e-Taiba group) and alleged fund raiser for Ali Asad Chandia. Abdu-Malik supported litigation to stop Israeli attacks on Hamas leaders.

- Dr. Salah As-Sawi - issued refutation of fatwa with the intent to deny that American Muslim soldiers had the responsibility to fight against the Taliban after 9/11 attacks, history of involvement with organizations under investigation, and served as a professor at Al-Azhar in Egypt - reportedly “a bastion of the dangerous Muslim Brotherhood.”

- The December 3, 2007 Jawa Report also provides other details about Texas Dawah speakers.

Another speaker at the Texas Dawah 2007 convention, who is also a regular contributor to MuslimMatters.org, is Musa Maguire. As Musa states in one of his articles on MuslimMatters.org, “I always get a special welcome from the folks at the airport...[t]o be fair, I can understand why I may have ended up on one of their lists”. But MuslimMatters.org’s Musa Maguire does not tell you why. Could it be because Musa (aka Thomas) Maguire is the cousin of American Taliban John Walker Lindh?

In 2006, the Daily Telegraph reported on Musa Maguire and American Taliban John Walker Lindh: “Thomas Maguire, his cousin, also converted as a teenager, but said that Lindh found the rigorous path of Islam easier to follow. ‘John exhibited a glowing innocence that propelled him to openly investigate the truth of Islam,’ Maguire (known as Musa) wrote on a Muslim website. Maguire, who now hosts an English-language talk show on an Egyptian cable television network, praised Lindh’s ‘unswerving’ faith and thoughtfulness. In words that would unnerve many Americans, he also described his cousin as ‘one of the greatest success stories in the modern propagation of Islam in the West’.” Musa Maguire calls American Taliban John Walker Lindh aka “Sulayman” - “a champion of Islam”, has charged that “the case against Sulayman is nothing less than attack against our deen”, and states that he “deserves the support of the Muslim community”.

The ideological influences of those associated with the MuslimMatters.org author and Texas Dawah co-founder writing in Daily Kos provide context behind his attempts to convince millions of Americans that Jihad is not terrorism, and that our only enemy is “extremism”.

Why does it matter what the Daily Kos reports? According to the latest blog traffic statistics for 2008, the Daily Kos is getting between 20 million and 30 million visits per month. Daily Kos has had its own meetings with Democratic primary candidates for president. Daily Kos contributors include current office holders such as: Nancy Pelosi, Richard Durbin, Tom Harkin, John Conyers, Barbara Boxer, Russ Feingold, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Jim Moran, and Barack Obama.

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1 DesertSage  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:25:19am

If I don't believe that 'jihad' means 'inner, personal struggle', does that make me a racist?

2 sh007r  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:25:23am

Kos and others IN jihad

3 Alouette  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:26:22am
The article also expands on the real cause of “extremism” as “disrespect for Islam”

"Surrender or die."

Fuck Islam.

4 republic  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:26:43am

The USA is in serious trouble, with the left gaining more and more power by the day.

The only solution is to vote these kooks out of power, but that looks to never happen.

5 Cognito  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:26:58am
Why does it matter what the Daily Kos reports? According to the latest blog traffic statistics for 2008, the Daily Kos is getting between 20 million and 30 million visits per month. Daily Kos has had its own meetings with Democratic primary candidates for president. Daily Kos contributors include current office holders such as: Nancy Pelosi, Richard Durbin, Tom Harkin, John Conyers, Barbara Boxer, Russ Feingold, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Jim Moran, and Barack Obama.

Yeesh.

6 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:27:26am

BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT KOSLAM!

7 madisonsfriend  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:28:18am

How about Jihad means extremism. you know the old saying- If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck- it is a Jihadi.

8 The Other Les  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:28:52am

Kos: Final Solution is not genocide.

/sarcasm

9 Silhouette  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:29:11am

I have a problem with the term Mein Kampf too.

Struggle can be a nasty thing.

10 The Other Les  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:29:52am

re: #1 DesertSage

If I don't believe that 'jihad' means 'inner, personal struggle', does that make me a racist?

Have you checked yourself for targets taped to your back?

11 Ben Hur  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:29:55am

I'm pretty sure they call themselves Jihadis, and definately Mujehadeen (Holy Warriors).

Maybe that what we should call them (in addition to TERRORISTS).

Once again, it's the LEft talking over the heads of the people in question.

It's what they call themselves, but the Left knows better than they do and calls them something else.

Recall what the "reformed" terrorist in London wrote in his book.

That everytime he heard his people's actions blamed on foreign policy or something similar, they would bust out laughing.

I'm sure that they are having a good little giggle at this one.

12 bosforus  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:30:19am

Then when can we rename the War on Terror to the War on Jihad? Either one works for, they're synonymous.

13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:30:30am

When the guy trying to kill you is saying he uses Jihad as the justification to do so, I'm fairly comfortable calling him a Jihadist

14 Silhouette  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:30:54am
The article also expands on the real cause of “extremism” as “disrespect for Islam”, “aggressive” U.S. foreign policy, and “double-standards exhibited by the US on democracy and human-rights”.

In a way, this IS the cause of terrorism visited upon us. We won't surrender (show proper 'respect'), and we won't let them kill Jews.

15 republic  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:30:56am

The "Thought Police" and the "Word Police", coming to your town soon.

The left is trampling on the U.S. Constitution while most of America sleeps and does nothing.

16 bosforus  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:31:05am

re: #12 bosforus

Then when can we rename the War on Terror to the War on Jihad? Either one works for me, they're synonymous.

pimf

17 madisonsfriend  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:31:14am

My "personal inner struggle" has never been used as an excuse to kill anyone.

18 zmdavid  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:31:25am

They don't like "terrorist", they don't like "jihadist", what should we call them? "Overlord", perhaps?

19 madisonsfriend  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:31:44am

re: #18 zmdavid

They don't like "terrorist", they don't like "jihadist", what should we call them? "Overlord", perhaps?

Freedom fighters, of course!

20 Alouette  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:31:54am

re: #18 zmdavid

They don't like "terrorist", they don't like "jihadist", what should we call them? "Overlord", perhaps?

"Fucktard" works for me.

21 republic  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:33:37am

Just wait until Obama is the POTUS and the Congress is controlled by the kook left, even more than it is today.

Couple those things, with the fact that the total msm is leftist state controlled, and this country won't even resemble what it is today.

They will all force whatever they want on Americans, and most Americans will accept it.

They already have.

spit!

22 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:33:38am

About time we let Kos formulate policy.

/

23 jOjOEofArcadia  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:34:35am

If B.H.O. is actually 7/16ths Arab-American and only 1/16th Afro-American, then is he on task in his own jihad? Is this his real struggle, to become the 'twain between East and West, as the first Arab-American president which fact nobody is either capable of understanding or able to admit? Or perhaps, B.H.O. is merely attempting to gain a position of prominence to sunder the current federal investigation into the Chicago/Daley syndicate? For either of these reasons or for his attitude and politics, in general, his struggle, his campaign, his jihad scares me more than a little bit!
/no sarc

24 republic  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:35:15am

re: #22 JammieWearingFool

About time we let Kos formulate policy.

/


Obviously, they already are.

The thing they don't have the foresight to see, is they are creating their own Hell.

25 Silhouette  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:35:18am

I define jihad not just as those blowing up school children while screaming that Allah is greater than other gods.

It is the work toward making the whole world Muslim, through any means that don't 100% recognize the rights of the other party to reject Islam.

26 Ojoe  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:35:54am

re: #23 jOjOEofArcadia

I think BHO is the ultimate sleeper

27 stead63  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:36:06am

if jihad means personal struggle i will just start calling constipation a jihad on my bowels

28 rawmuse  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:36:12am

A clear example of Newspeak.

29 MandyManners  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:36:50am

Bet their widdle heads would go *poof* listening to this.

30 Sol Roth  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:36:51am

The Left is allied with Anti-American terrorists inside the CONUS. What's more shocking is there was some sort of "Texas Dawah" Commie-terrorist convention in Texas.

We just can't allow that. What say you fellow Texans?

31 jcm  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:37:04am
...and that our only enemy is “extremism”.

With that brush they can paint all those clingy gun & bible owners, anyone who believes Liberty before State, and anyone who dare voice an opinion different from their's as "extreme."

32 stead63  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:37:21am

re: #30 Sol Roth

The Left is allied with Anti-American terrorists inside the CONUS. What's more shocking is there was some sort of "Texas Dawah" Commie-terrorist convention in Texas.

We just can't allow that. What say you fellow Texans?

Amen...

33 laZardo  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:37:22am

Twenty years from now, jihad will not be an offensive word in our Newspeak.

34 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:37:46am

I. Am. Shocked. Terrorist symps at Kos? Shocked, I tells ya!

35 Ben Hur  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:38:04am

Well, we can call some BBC employees.

AP stringers?
Reuters Photogs?

All seem to work.

36 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:38:23am

re: #33 laZardo

Twenty years from now, jihad will not be an offensive word in our Newspeak.

But only if you are using it accurately.

37 stead63  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:39:01am

Can we just have all the righties move to texas and kick out the rest and then have texas suceed from the union to become the greatest republic known to man? Economically we are 4th in the world so I would say lets get those wagons moving.

38 Roger  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:39:56am

Bill and sHrillary cultivated the leftward mad slide of the Democratic party thinking it was all for them but out grew the Obamanation.

39 laZardo  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:39:56am

re: #30 Sol Roth

Sgt. Hartman once said that only two things come from Texas. You guys are as rough-and-tumble as steers so you'll count as those. Which kinda narrows it down...

40 pat  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:41:48am

Ahh. The Jihad of Zen.

41 Iron Fist  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:42:07am

re: #18 zmdavid,

Call them "target" and kill them.

42 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:42:17am
43 sattv4u2  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:42:31am
The Daily Kos ,,,,,,,, losing one mind at a time since 2002
44 Phocid  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:44:13am

I find it bizarre that people (Muslims) who advocate such brutality and speak almost always in the language of insults are so incredibly thin-skinned. They're like spoiled, whiney 2 yr. olds throwing tantrums. Just keep them in their playpens and ignore them.

45 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:44:19am

How the hell did it ever get so bad that we can't even call a terrorist a terrorist? It seems that other than the folks here on LGF the whole world has gone crazy.

46 RickZ  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:44:52am

Soon, calling jihadists muslim terrorists (or vice versa) will be a human rights crime thanks to the Dems (who are looking longingly at Canada's 'Human Rights Commissions').

47 Sol Roth  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:45:26am

re: #37 stead63

re: #39 laZardo

They have this "convention" in Houston at The George R. Brown (GRB) Convention Center. I can't get my head around this shit. Now if it were Austin...

48 chinesearithmetic  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:45:57am

Daily Kos contributors include current office holders such as: Nancy Pelosi, Richard Durbin, Tom Harkin, John Conyers, Barbara Boxer, Russ Feingold, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Jim Moran, and Barack Obama.

Channeling Karnak: Ten pimps a pimping.

(Opens envelope) What did jihadists give to me?

49 debutaunt  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:46:37am

re: #9 Silhouette

I have a problem with the term Mein Kampf too.

Struggle can be a nasty thing.

G** damn you strugglist!

50 Rancher  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:46:42am

re: #37 stead63
I can't live in Texas! Have you ever driven Texas? Have you even seen Texas? Anyway, love those Dallas Cowboys.

51 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:48:26am
52 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:48:29am
53 ishabibble  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:50:25am

re: #12 bosforus

Then when can we rename the War on Terror to the War on Jihad? Either one works for, they're synonymous.

I would rather call it the War of Increments because that is how the Muslim Jihad is fighting it. A little here, a little there...a taxpayer funded madrassa (charter school) in MN, a man run off his land in TX, Muslim prayers before Congress, Karen Hughes in a hajib, etc. The terrorists are scoring big on the Appeasement Front and making steady progress with Operation Amnesia. And then there is OPEC, who are fighting me personally at the gas pump.

Islam is not compatible with any civilization. They are a death cult.
We should give them what they want.

54 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:50:45am

Forgive me for asking a dumb question - I don't see as much of the US MSM as many of you do: Has anyone called any of these politicians in public on their participation in Daily Kos?

55 realwest  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:50:50am

re: #43 sattv4u2 "The Daily Kos ,,,,,,,, losing one mind a minute at a time since 2002."
There, fixed that for ya!

56 Spiny Norman  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:51:14am

re: #15 republic

The "Thought Police" and the "Word Police", coming to your town soon.

The left is trampling on the U.S. Constitution while most of America sleeps and does nothing.

Trampling? Not really. You see, it's a Living Document™: they tell it what to say and think it does their bidding.

57 Spiny Norman  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:52:16am

re: #54 Carl in Jerusalem

Forgive me for asking a dumb question - I don't see as much of the US MSM as many of you do: Has anyone called any of these politicians in public on their participation in Daily Kos?

Not that I've seen. Although none of them tout their connections in public.

58 Creeping Eruption  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:52:45am

re: #54 Carl in Jerusalem

Forgive me for asking a dumb question - I don't see as much of the US MSM as many of you do: Has anyone called any of these politicians in public on their participation in Daily Kos?

Its not a dumb question. While we see their participation as an anathema, they see it as speaking to the base. And I agree, it is base. They would defend their actions.

59 realwest  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:52:49am

re: #54 Carl in Jerusalem Hi Carl! The short answer is NO.

60 incanus  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:53:26am

re: #54 Carl in Jerusalem

Forgive me for asking a dumb question - I don't see as much of the US MSM as many of you do: Has anyone called any of these politicians in public on their participation in Daily Kos?

No, they view it as a badge of honour. Besides, only bloggers really know what Daily Kos is; Madge in Hackensack doesn't have an effin clue what a blog is any more than she knows what Colbert is talking about when he's going on about "truthiness". All she knows is she's going to vote Democrat, because she always has.

61 itellu3times  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:53:40am

re: #54 Carl in Jerusalem

Forgive me for asking a dumb question - I don't see as much of the US MSM as many of you do: Has anyone called any of these politicians in public on their participation in Daily Kos?

It is seldom mentioned, the MSM tries as hard as possible to ignore the blogosphere, but would probably be considered kewl, a good thing, that a candidate would be so up to date and with it, daddy-o.

62 Pater Coop  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:54:32am

re: #50 Rancher

I lived in Houston for 4 years and fell in love with Texas. It's definitely a state of mind!

63 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:55:36am

re: #54 Carl in Jerusalem

Forgive me for asking a dumb question - I don't see as much of the US MSM as many of you do: Has anyone called any of these politicians in public on their participation in Daily Kos?

Only to congratulate them.....

64 alegrias  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:57:13am

Hello people, what exactly do you think 'Viva la REVOLUCION' means, as Fidel Castro reminds his people, "Revolucion o muerte"?

Same totalitarian goal of perpetual "struggle".

It is no coincidence liberals approve Che's message and Fidel's message.

65 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:57:35am
It quotes a student at the American University of Cairo as condemning U.S. foreign policy: “Bush has given Israel carte blanch to attack Palestinians and Lebanese.

I WISH! Then we would have peace in the Mideast. Hamas, the PA (Hamas in nicer clothes), and Hizballah would be history, and any Palis that did want peace WITH Israel would have it and be glad to be rid of the terrorists in their midst.

66 itellu3times  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:57:53am

Back on topic, yes, there's a rhetorical point to be made in trying to drive a wedge between jihad and terrorism, but I doubt it's workable. The Islamic world is too mutable, decentralized. If some wack cleric says jihad *is* terrorism, he has more authority than some clever suit in the bowels of state. Probably some Saudi dip supports the idea that we should separate jihad and terrorism, I think something like that is their internal policy, but hey, it's more a matter of might makes right than clever words.

67 shanec99  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:58:12am

re: #19 madisonsfriend

Freedom fighters, of course!


Yeah, it seems that they are fighting to take away some people's freedom. Let me share a few examples:
Freedom to chose the Deity you want to worship. Penalty death.
Freedom to chose a boyfriend you parents disapprove: Death
Freedom to be a critical thinker and examine religious doctrine: Death
Freedom to erect a religious building other than a Mosque in some Islamic nations: Death
Freedom for little girls to get an education: Death
Some of these Jihadists are real freedom fighters. They are fighting to take your freedoms away!

68 RTLM  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:58:27am

One of the SDSU druggies was a majoring in 'Department of Homeland Security'. Whatever the hell that is.

69 Squirrelguy  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:00:16am

“Who Speaks for Islam? I'll let their rule book, (koran), speak for islam.
Because that's what the murderous thugs will follow.

70 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:00:37am

re: #33 laZardo

Twenty years from now, jihad will not be an offensive word in our Newspeak.

Jewthinkers unbellyfeel jihad.

71 Ben Hur  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:02:17am

WOw. CNN fanning the flames.

Just saw on Captivate Network (video screens in NYC elevators with news updates, etc) a CNN update.

George Bush calls Obama and other Democrats appeasers and compared it to speaking to the Nazis before WWII.

AMazing, since Bush said "Some people" and didn't mention any party or name.

They didn't use "allegedly" or "seemed to speak to."

72 Eowyn2  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:07:34am

re: #17 madisonsfriend

My "personal inner struggle" has never been used as an excuse to kill anyone.

Sometimes it isnt peaceful, but the inner struggle doesnt usually kill.

73 NR Pax  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:08:30am

I'm sorry...Daily who?

74 jeffreyimm  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:19:28am

LGF -
Thank you very much for posting my article on this.

Please note that the full article on CounterterrorismBlog.org also demonstrates the support of CAIR, ISNA, MAS, and MPAC for the new "terror lexicon" recommendations by NCTC/DHS to stop the use of the word "jihad", "jihadist", "caliphate", "Islamist", etc. , as well as the actions of the Democratic Congressmen and women in House Intelligence Committee to kill an amendment to Intelligence Bill that would reject such "terror lexicon" recommendations.

We have an online petition to tell the House Intelligence Committee members that voted against stopping such "terror lexicon" prohibition against talking about "jihadists" - that we want an explanation.

If you want to send a message to Congress on this, please sign the petition at:
http://www.petitiononline.com/usajihad/petition.ht ml

Thanks for your support in fighting Jihad!

Jeffrey Imm

75 Charles  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:23:51am

I do not buy the argument that refusing to use "jihad" somehow weakens the militant Islamists.

They could not care less what we call them.

And if you think that refusing to use "jihad" or "mujahideen" is a great idea, explain why every radical Islamic front group in the US is agitating non-stop for the same thing.

This is a policy disaster. It should be called the Ostrich Policy.

76 stevieray  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:57:57am

re: #75 Charles

I don't buy their reasoning for this change either. I think the federal government has designed the entire war on terror around the idea that only a few Muslims support violent jihad. When it became apparent that that the support, either active or passive, goes much deeper than they thought, the government was confronted by a difficult choice -- either rework and expand the confrontation, or redefine the enemy back to a smaller, more manageable size. They chose the latter.

77 Sol Roth  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:26:43am

The Ostrich Policy.

I second that motion Charles. You could develop a whole new thread category based on it.

78 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:57:03am

The Left is waging Jihad on us.

79 Is it me?  Thu, May 15, 2008 12:21:18pm

If you cannot define evil how can you fight it?

WW2 was simple - Nazis = evil. Easy to find, Germany (plus occupied Europe). Relatively easy terrain, and familiar. The Nazis did use plenty of propoganda but not really refined. Far, far easier to counter.

Cold War (sometimes described as WW3) - Use of proxies to further their plan to spread their ideology, military support for groups that wanted to undermine governments, advisers + weaponry. Special effort to corrupt & use for their own purposes central American countries & Cuba to threaten America right on her own doorstep.
Same tactics in African countries in order to spread their influence and access to raw materials. Plenty of feints in terms of spy ships, naval *exercises* and Airforce forays to foreign airspace limits.
They used plenty of propoganda, a lot for internal consumption while excluding their population from really finding out what was going on in the rest of the world. Their propoganda for external purposes was still relatively unrefined & so was easy to understand, explain & to counter. Essentially the Russians (even today) are pretty straightforward in that they have much more in common with Western countries than they don't. They still like to intimidate and are bullies, Bullies aren't exactly subtle.

The War against Terror. This is a far more insidious problem. Because it is centered on a religion that is also a political and ideological construct. Because there is no figurehead/s you can't focus on what they say & counter it. Any Ayatollah or Imam can call for Jihad, issue Fatwas etc, they don't even have to announce it in public, they just have to preach it. It's like knitting fog.
It is also spread over a large area (N Africa, ME, the *...stans*, Indian subcontinent, and parts of SE Asia etc. Sub Saharan Africa and Turkey are a bit problematic but Sudan and Somalia are not) & encompases people from a variety of cultures.
The propoganda machine may be coming at us from many different directions but there are strands that are common - anti-American, anti-semetic and anti-Western rhetoric, the call for a *caliphate* (in different forms) & the world domination of Islam being common.

The Internet allows for propoganda, incitement, DIY terror tactics & hatred to be spread around the world. We can counter this with sites like LGF & many others, IF Western populations will read them; otherwise it is left to the MSM. They are proving themselves to be more of a liability than a help. Their leftist standpoint & their reluctance to stand up to intimidation, whining & demonisation (re the *ROP*) is worse than mere spin, it is a refusal to face the truth & to tell it. It is cowardice and sometimes worse.
Govt. depts. and politicians both in America and Europe (& elsewhere) are no better. It is their job to stand up for their respective countries & to defend them. They are opting for appeasement. Terrorists talk a lot but how capable are they of dealing us a significant blow? The vast majority of attacks are on innocent Muslims going about their daily lives in Islamic countries. Iran is the most obvious threat in the ME but we should be using more effective counter-propoganda against them.

If we cannot define the evil we face how can we fight it?
If we can't catagorise threats against us we can't place them at the feet of those responsible.
If we can't identify those responsible we can't expose their agenda.
If we can't expose their agenda we can't expose the underlying reasons.
If we can't expose the underlying reasons for their terrorism then we cannot prove the lie.
Islam (the Koran esp.) is the root, the cause, the driving force. It underpins their actions & their fanaticism.
Islam needs to be split. The Jihadists from the neutral & those who do not recognise Jihad as part of their religion.
Then the lie that is Islamophobia will not stand.
We need courage. We need to tell our leaders that appeasement in the face of the darkness that faces us is unacceptable.
Regards

80 kirkoff  Thu, May 15, 2008 4:43:47pm

re: #47 Sol Roth

The local rag soft balled this conference and I figured few other Houstonians even noticed it.
It is annual ,and growing.
A description of the community outreach at the
12/6/6 conference,(but dated 12/20), emphasized the touchy
feely parts of islam and jihad that we probably overlooked on 9/11.
Petting zoos and all aside I retain my doubts as to their peaceful intent.
They are racing our leftover Katrinites for the drain in terms of beloved
friends ,party guests, and neighbors.
But just as one might expect for a sanctuary city like ours,if your money is green someone here will welcome your business.
Keeping personal company w you tho,if you are a jihadist,
liberal or other assorted nee'r do well
is a whole 'nother mattter.
This does after all remain Texas.


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