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Olbermann to Bush: 'Shut the Hell Up'

Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:56:27 am PDT

MSNBC should be ashamed of themselves for promoting this insane, ranting freak as some kind of legitimate commentator: Olbermann Accuses Bush of ‘Murderous Deceit,’ Should ‘Shut the Hell Up’.

I guess this kind of hate speech sells advertisements. I remember when talking this way about a President of the United States would guarantee losing advertisers.

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1 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:57:08am

Olberman: You are still irrelevant.

2 laZardo  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:57:27am

As in Keith "Chicken & Waffles" Olbermann?

3 MrSilverDragon  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:57:33am

Olbermann... shut the hell up.

4 MandyManners  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:57:49am

No, you shut the fuck up, Keith.

5 MandyManners  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:59:16am

My I.Q. lost several points just looking at his photograph.

6 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:59:22am

Does anyone actually watch Olbermann? I mean, other than waiting rooms and airport lounges?

7 incanus  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:59:46am

Hey Keith: no matter how much you rant and rave at Bush and scream that he should be impeached ... "you're not gonna get 'im."

/SportsCenter reference

8 bosforus  Thu, May 15, 2008 8:59:57am

I'll pass on the video. Besides, I heard he was a closet homosexual.

9 laZardo  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:00:01am
10 Lady Mondegreen  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:00:01am

So thaaat's where this hot, foul wind is coming from.

11 The Other Les  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:00:31am

Commanding the President of the United States to shut up is tantamount to commanding all the Citizens of the United States to shut up.

But then that sort of behavior is to be expected from a tyrranophilic piece of shit.

12 HBob  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:00:53am

This is the crap he has to say to get any attention at all. He's like a giant toddler throwing a tantrum. Poor baby - must have wanted that Conan O'Brien gig pretty bad.

13 laZardo  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:01:06am

re: #6 Honorary Yooper

I was playing a round of Team Fortress 2 a few days back and the players on my team just gushed with praise when I mentioned Keith Olbermann (never mind that the rest of my sentence essentially labeled him as the same type of person as Bill O'Reilly...).

14 The Other Les  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:01:13am

re: #6 Honorary Yooper

Does anyone actually watch Olbermann? I mean, other than waiting rooms and airport lounges?

Or waiting for a oil change?

15 madisonsfriend  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:01:16am

re: #6 Honorary Yooper

Does anyone actually watch Olbermann? I mean, other than waiting rooms and airport lounges?


No, but the photo in the link makes him look like Eugene Levy- has anyone ever seen them inthe same room?

16 zmdavid  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:01:34am
I guess this kind of hate speech sells advertisements. I remember when talking this way about a President of the United States would guarantee losing advertisers.


After 8 years of pounding, the lie is believed.

17 VegasRick  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:01:41am

Olbermann to Bush: 'Shut the Hell Up'
VegasRick to Olbermann: 'Go Fuck Yourself'

18 stead63  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:01:51am

what an idiot. but that goes to show you how the liberal media is mindwashing america to hate america for being america and more or less love terrorists for the "oppression" that we are causing. I would expect nothing less from these news organizations.

19 Creeping Eruption  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:02:03am

re: #6 Honorary Yooper

Does anyone actually watch Olbermann? I mean, other than waiting rooms and airport lounges?

Never seen him.

20 ModerateWolverine  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:02:08am

Olbermann is a joke, and so is his audience.

21 ElKafir  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:02:11am

Olber...who?

22 The Other Les  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:02:19am

Can I just say that I really hate tyrranophiles?

23 madisonsfriend  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:02:22am

re: #11 The Other Les

tyrranophilic means what?

24 cblesz  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:03:02am

Keith Olberman is a talentless hack douchebag. I cannot believe that MSNBC has not been forced to apologize. He ought to be fired. What a worthless piece of shit.

The hate and vitriol for President Bush by the left is out of control. It is promulgated by the disgraceful media in this country that allows it to take place. If, in fact a republican spoke like Olberdouche or any other left-wing whack job, they would be chastised, tarred and feathered or at the minimum, fired. I love the freaking double standards.

25 laZardo  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:03:20am

And with a massive facepalm, I must go to sleep. G'night all!

26 tfc3rid  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:03:22am

I think it is amazing how much disrespect there is on the Left for the President...

I'm seem torecall that even when Bill Clinton was impeached, reight of center observers never denigrated the Presidency to the same trash talking verbal abuse you'd expect on a basketball court...

As a retired Naval Admiral told me regarding Clinton, we did not hold the C in C in regard but had the utmost respect for the Office...

Some lefties should keep that in mind... The President is not the same as the American Idol finalists...

27 ggt  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:03:32am

OMG!

WTF!

I can't think of any more.

28 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:03:45am

re: #17 VegasRick

Olbermann to Bush: 'Shut the Hell Up'
VegasRick to Olbermann: 'Go Fuck Yourself'

Isn't that basically what he does publicly daily?

29 Ben Hur  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:03:59am

WOw. CNN fanning the flames.

Just saw on Captivate Network (video screens in NYC elevators with news updates, etc) a CNN update.

George Bush calls Obama and other Democrats appeasers and compared it to speaking to the Nazis before WWII.

AMazing, since Bush said "Some people" and didn't mention any party or name.

They didn't use "allegedly" or "seemed to speak to."

30 zmdavid  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:04:01am

To think they took away minutes from ex-football stars on Sunday Night Football for this chump.

31 jamgarr  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:04:06am

As I said on the DT earlier:

KO is full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

32 Intrepid  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:04:16am

He's losing his mind due to being constantly beaten in ratings by Fox, I suspect. KO needs to have a few months' leave of absence so he can get on some decent meds and have the time to have the right adjustments on them.

33 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:04:40am

re: #23 madisonsfriend

tyrranophilic means what?

Sex with dinosaurs?

34 Spiny Norman  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:04:48am

Spiny Norman to Keif Olberdouche: Have another double Martini and shut the fock up.

I'm serious, he rants like a beligerent drunk in a dive bar.

35 The Other Les  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:04:54am

re: #23 madisonsfriend

tyrranophilic means what?

Love of tyrants and tyranny.

36 shifty  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:05:04am

Shut the fuck up and give me my sports scores Olbermann, you monkey.

37 shanec99  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:05:10am

re: #17 VegasRick

Olbermann to Bush: 'Shut the Hell Up'
VegasRick to Olbermann: 'Go Fuck Yourself'


We are better than that. If he wants to engage in childish behavior we don't have to get down to his level.

Ignore him. Turn off the TV, if you do the advertisers take notice and the outrageous behavior stops.

38 laZardo  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:05:23am

re: #29 Ben Hur

WOw. CNN fanning the flames.

George Bush calls Obama and other Democrats appeasers and compared it to speaking to the Nazis before WWII.

AMazing, since Bush said "Some people" and didn't mention any party or name.

They didn't use "allegedly" or "seemed to speak to."

From what I've read in previous threads, seems like CNN's pointing out the obvious.

39 tfc3rid  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:05:29am

re: #29 Ben Hur

That's because they know he's talking about them...

40 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:05:37am

Halliburton, war for oil, war for profit, blahblahblah... he actually gets paid for this tripe?

Hey, Keithy, show us how brave you are; relocate to Cuba and try airing similar rants against Raul Castro.

41 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:05:37am

re: #36 shifty

Shut the fuck up and give me my sports scores Olbermann, you monkey.

What'd did monkeys ever do to you to deserve that?

42 winston06  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:05:49am

He's a stupid moonbat. Period. Ah, NBC is also full of Moonbats and morons.

43 VegasRick  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:05:59am

re: #28 coquimbojoe

Isn't that basically what he does publicly daily?

I guess you're right, the 6 idiots that watch his show really like him.

44 OrzBorz  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:06:11am

What can you expect from the Filet-O-Fish of the 24hr news menu other than stuff like this?

(No offense to people who like the sandwich or the sandwich itself meant.)

45 Squirrelguy  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:06:40am

re: #11 The Other Les

Commanding the President of the United States to shut up is tantamount to commanding all the Citizens of the United States to shut up.

But then that sort of behavior is to be expected from a tyrranophilic piece of shit.

Rotating title nomination!

46 VegasRick  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:06:45am

re: #33 coquimbojoe

Sex with dinosaurs?

Olberdouche is a Myassissaur.

47 madisonsfriend  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:06:45am

re: #35 The Other Les

Sorry, I'm going with Coquimjoe's definition- sex with dinosaurs. and now to lunch!

48 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:06:56am

re: #40 Occasional Reader

Halliburton, war for oil, war for profit, blahblahblah... he actually gets paid for this tripe?

Hey, Keithy, show us how brave you are; relocate to Cuba and try airing similar rants against Raul Castro.

That would require two thing Olby doesn't have: Bravery and honesty. Plus he might be able to get his bikini wax down in Cuba...

/just sayin'

49 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:07:13am
50 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:07:13am

re: #34 Spiny Norman

he rants like a beligerent drunk in a dive bar.

You got it.

Or that Incredibly Angry, Rather Unhinged Taxi Driver, that time when you were REALLY glad to arrive at your destination.

51 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:07:32am

re: #46 VegasRick

Olberdouche is a Myassissaur.

Nice work! Hows the North?

52 shanec99  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:07:35am

re: #40 Occasional Reader

Halliburton, war for oil, war for profit, blahblahblah... he actually gets paid for this tripe?

Hey, Keithy, show us how brave you are; relocate to Cuba and try airing similar rants against Raul Castro.

Come on he wont do that.
He is stupid, not suicidal.

53 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:07:35am

re: #26 tfc3rid

Some lefties should keep that in mind... The President is not the same as the American Idol finalists...

Archuleta/Cook 2008

54 gop_patriot  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:07:36am

re: #29 Ben Hur

Amazing, isn't it?
I think it's hilarious that they knew he was talking about them.

55 Spiny Norman  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:07:40am

re: #32 Intrepid

He's losing his mind due to being constantly beaten in ratings by Fox, I suspect. KO needs to have a few months' leave of absence so he can get on some decent meds and have the time to have the right adjustments on them.

I think he's convinced he's been "disrespected" his whole career and is lashing out. It's "public therapy", I suppose.

56 David Simon  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:07:49am

Too late Keith. Trinity United already hired a new pastor.

57 pat  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:07:58am

No Body Cares

58 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:08:13am

re: #48 coquimbojoe

That would require two thing Olby doesn't have: Bravery and honesty. Plus he might be able to get his bikini wax down in Cuba...

/just sayin'

Might NOT

PIMF PIMF PIMF!

59 tfc3rid  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:08:33am

re: #53 unrealizedviewpoint

Archuleta/Cook 2008

OT:
And who didn't think THAT was going to happen?

60 VegasRick  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:08:35am

re: #51 coquimbojoe

Nice work! Hows the North?

Were good, looking forward to Sunday (gonna swim all day).

61 Squirrelguy  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:08:35am

re: #18 stead63

what an idiot. but that goes to show you how the liberal media is mindwashing america to hate america for being america and more or less love terrorists for the "oppression" that we are causing. I would expect nothing less from these news organizations.

Oppress this world first! We'll get to outer space later!

62 Alouette  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:08:45am

Winning the Fiskie has really gone to his head.

63 madisonsfriend  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:08:49am

re: #44 OrzBorz

What can you expect from the Filet-O-Fish of the 24hr news menu other than stuff like this?

(No offense to people who like the sandwich or the sandwich itself meant.)


I totally do not understand what it means to call someone the Filet-O-Fish. I am older so perhaps Filet-o-Fish is a new style insult?

64 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:09:21am

re: #60 VegasRick

Were good, looking forward to Sunday (gonna swim all day).

In the 100s baby. Not. Looking. Forward. To . It.

65 The Other Les  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:09:30am

re: #45 Squirrelguy

Rotating title nomination!

I'd go with "Tyrannophilic piece of excrement" on the rotating title.

66 Squirrelguy  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:09:30am

re: #41 coquimbojoe

What'd did monkeys ever do to you to deserve that?

Some people don't like sock monkeys.

67 bulwrk  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:09:32am

Do you think msnbc employs someone who's only job is to remove all sharp objects from the set before Olberdunce goes on?

68 The Other Les  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:10:00am

re: #47 madisonsfriend

Sorry, I'm going with Coquimjoe's definition- sex with dinosaurs. and now to lunch!

That would be a Saurophile.

Neat trick if you can do it.

69 tommygum  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:10:19am

Worthless POS.

70 jamgarr  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:10:29am

KO is there to make CM look sane.

71 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:10:31am

re: #67 bulwrk

Do you think msnbc employs someone who's only job is to remove all sharp objects from the set before Olberdunce goes on?

If they do, I hope that person calls in sick soon. Is that ok to say?

72 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:10:47am

re: #15 madisonsfriend

No, but the photo in the link makes him look like Eugene Levy- has anyone ever seen them inthe same room?

Eugene Levy is actually funny. Olberman is pathetic. It's the difference between laughing "with" and laughing "at".

73 Intrepid  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:11:07am

re: #55 Spiny Norman

I think he's convinced he's been "disrespected" his whole career and is lashing out. It's "public therapy", I suppose.

His ego does not measure up with his talent - the ego is at 10, but the talent is at 2, possibly 2.5. He can read and he pronounces words well. That's about it.

The rest is pure crap on a cracker.

74 VegasRick  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:11:08am

re: #68 The Other Les

That would be a Saurophile.

Neat trick if you can do it.

Ancient muslims f**ked dinosaurs.

75 BuddyG  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:11:29am

Olbermann; just another cartoon character

76 bosforus  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:11:56am

Olbermann's personality is what would exist if dKos had a news channel and allowed its members to do on air opinions.

77 Squirrelguy  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:11:57am

re: #74 VegasRick

Ancient muslims f**ked dinosaurs.

They invented dinosaurs.

78 shanec99  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:12:05am

re: #69 tommygum

Worthless POS.

Why would you insult a POS by comparing it to the "genius" of the boode tube?
Come on now, POS have feelings too.

79 Rogue198  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:12:24am

Personally, I refuse to refer to that creature by anything other than the name Ubermoron, nobody with any intelligence can be as wrong as that thing is all the time.

80 rawmuse  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:12:27am

Olbermann is another guy that gets tingly feelings up his leg...

81 snowcrash  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:12:49am

Shut up Olberman, your disrespect of the office of the president of the United States of America sickens me.

82 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:12:54am

re: #73 Intrepid

He can read and he pronounces words well. That's about it.

But is he "clean"?

83 Terp Mole  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:12:56am

Olberdouche' is just passing out the latest KommieDreams KoolAid;

The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder
by Vincent Bugliosi

There is direct evidence that President George W. Bush did not honorably lead this nation, but deliberately misled it into a war he wanted. Bush and his administration knowingly lied to Congress and to the American public — lies that have cost the lives of more than 4,000 young American soldiers and close to $1 trillion...

The Lefty blogs are panting this forthcoming book slander rag.

84 stead63  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:12:56am

re: #77 Squirrelguy

They invented dinosaurs.

no they were once in the same country but declared jihad on them and caused their extinction...

85 lawhawk  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:13:18am

Olbermann is deep and not quite playable. In fact, he's so far out in left field, that they're not quite sure what to do with him out in Burma. He'd fit in there quite nicely with his outlook on politics - totalitarian, leftist, and drowning in a morass of moral foulness.

86 shanec99  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:13:25am

re: #74 VegasRick

Ancient muslims f**ked dinosaurs.


LOL.

Please elaborate... this should be interesting.

87 Sponge  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:13:39am

Wow....this guy has an ego.

I want him to sit down with the president and make those statements to his face.

He just can't stand the fact that he's so irrelevant, he's had to resort to 'shock jock' methods to get attention.

War crimes? Our soldiers are now cold blooded killers advancing Bush's political agenda? You couldn't be more of a douche bag, keith......

88 The Other Les  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:13:46am

re: #74 VegasRick

Ancient muslims f**ked dinosaurs.

Physically immature dinosaurs.

89 pat  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:13:53am

Are there advertisers? For what? Video games? Subscriptions to Playboy?

90 MrSilverDragon  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:14:06am

Wouldn't the whole dinosaur thing actually be saurophillic?

91 drewberto  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:14:30am

keith olberman is.......DEMOCRATIC RAGE BOY!

LOL!

92 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:14:35am

I want everyone to communicate with the ADVERTISERS on Ober-screws program. Simply communicate that you will not be purchasing any of their products. And if you happen to own stock in those advertisers, be sure to also contact their Investor Relations departments and ask why they are waisting their advertising dollars alienating their customer base.

93 princetrumpet  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:14:50am

Bill O'Reilly, move over... Olbermann gets his Irish up even better than you!

What a putz you are, Keith.

94 BuddyG  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:14:54am

Perspective
[Link: farm3.static.flickr.com...]

95 Creeping Eruption  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:15:13am

re: #77 Squirrelguy

They invented dinosaurs.

I thought that was Gore

96 jcm  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:15:16am

Explain to me how he has show?
Do enough people watch his effluence to justify broadcasting it?

Cripes!

97 Intrepid  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:15:19am

re: #83 Terp Mole

Olberdouche' is just passing out the latest KommieDreams KoolAid;

The Lefty blogs are panting this forthcoming book slander rag.

Dang - I used to like Vince Bugliosi, thought he was a great prosecutor. But his overarching ego has driven him around the bend, I fear.

98 snowcrash  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:15:23am

re: #91 drewberto
You are so right! lol

99 The Other Les  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:15:31am

re: #83 Terp Mole

Olberdouche' is just passing out the latest KommieDreams KoolAid;

The Lefty blogs are panting this forthcoming book slander rag.

Shit. I used to have a great amount of respect for that guy. Shit.

100 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:15:43am
101 ggt  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:15:51am

re: #83 Terp Mole

I'd love to see a mock trial of this one. Watch the moonbats explode while having to deal with the reality of the court system.

"What? facts? Documents?

Proof? We were suppossed to supply proof? Aren't our dramatic arguments enough?"

102 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:16:21am

Norwegian Cruise Lines has a surveillance video of that NJ woman who "fell" overboard. That begs the question why they have surveillance video like that and also would anyone here be interested in contributing to a fund to sent Keith Olbermann on a cruise?

103 Squirrelguy  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:16:30am

re: #88 The Other Les

Physically immature dinosaurs.

Sauropedophiles?

104 TallTexan  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:16:53am

Obey say the Bill O'Reilly video blow-up from long ago and had to counter with his own tantrum. He is just a pale reflection of Bill O'Reilly and any original thoughts Obey ever had remain unknown.

105 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:17:19am

re: #59 tfc3rid

re: #53 unrealizedviewpoint

Archuleta/Cook 2008

OT:
And who didn't think THAT was going to happen?


Michael Johns should have been 3rd place IMO.
Other then that, totally predictable.
I cannot pick the winner though. ? ? ?

106 The Other Les  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:17:58am

re: #103 Squirrelguy

Sauropedophiles?

Yes.

107 Squirrelguy  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:18:22am

re: #106 The Other Les

Yes.

Ewwwwwwwwwwww.

108 debutaunt  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:18:25am

re: #103 Squirrelguy

Sauropedophiles?

Be careful - PETD will get after you!

109 RTLM  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:18:32am

Keith - Sweetie,
take a 10 second break from felating George Soros so we can hear you more clearly.

110 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:18:33am

It's unfortunate we have a president that fails in so many ways that people consider attacking him in this way.

Olbermann is off on this, yes -- but I can understand the knee jerk reaction to anything President Bush says when considering the numbers of armed forces that have sacrificed their lives and limbs.

111 Eagle  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:18:56am

What a drama queen.

I call him Twit-Boy.

112 Squirrelguy  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:19:30am

re: #108 debutaunt

Be careful - PETD will get after you!

People Eating Tasty Dinosaurs?

113 Pyrocles  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:19:36am

I find most (but fortunately not all) gamers to be hard-core lefties. Perfect examples of those who live in their parents' basements and play games all day on one PC while spamming polls and youtube comments on another.

re: #13 laZardo

I was playing a round of Team Fortress 2 a few days back and the players on my team just gushed with praise when I mentioned Keith Olbermann (never mind that the rest of my sentence essentially labeled him as the same type of person as Bill O'Reilly...).

114 zmdavid  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:19:38am

Isn't he just a George Soros sockpuppet?

115 stead63  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:19:38am
116 Golem Akbar  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:19:48am

I've tried to watch Olbermann, but I last about 3 minutes and get sick of his ranting. He thinks he's funny or witty, but I think he's just dumb. He loves to (try and) skewer the right, but fails, miserably. He's got some kind of audience, but I ain't one of 'em.

117 tommygum  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:19:52am

re: #91 drewberto

keith olberman is.......DEMOCRATIC RAGE BOY!

LOL!

Begs for a photoshop.

118 debutaunt  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:20:04am

re: #110 keithgabryelski

It's unfortunate we have a president that fails in so many ways that people consider attacking him in this way.

Olbermann is off on this, yes -- but I can understand the knee jerk reaction to anything President Bush says when considering the numbers of armed forces that have sacrificed their lives and limbs.

What a charming first comment.

119 Rogue198  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:20:30am

OT.

My god but the Defeatocrats are squealing like stuck pigs (wait a sec, pigs are unclean to Dhimmis, what can a dhimmi be squealing like?) from Bush's Grand Slam, dead-on-target shot today.

120 David Simon  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:20:39am

re: #55 Spiny Norman

I think he's convinced he's been "disrespected" his whole career and is lashing out. It's "public therapy", I suppose.

I suspect it's more trying to cash in on the polemics fad. What leftist demagogues can't seem to figure out is that anger doesn't sell. The popularity of conservative polemicists like Ann Coulter is due to their ability to spit poison while cracking a joke.

121 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:20:46am

re: #110 keithgabryelski

It's unfortunate we have a president that fails in so many ways that people consider attacking him in this way.

Olbermann is off on this, yes -- but I can understand the knee jerk reaction to anything President Bush says when considering the numbers of armed forces that have sacrificed their lives and limbs.

You are so off base here. Where shall we begin?

122 jcm  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:20:55am

Bush should bomb Iran.

The mad mullahs will be taken care of.
Olbermadman would have an aneurism on air.

Two birds.
One stone.

123 Squirrelguy  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:21:13am

re: #119 Rogue198

OT.

My god but the Defeatocrats are squealing like stuck pigs (wait a sec, pigs are unclean to Dhimmis, what can a dhimmi be squealing like?)

Little girlie men?

124 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:21:14am

re: #118 debutaunt

What a charming first comment.

Tightening seat belt. OK. And away we go!

125 jjag  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:21:20am

Olbermann epitomizes the infatuation liberals have with "eloquence".

Liberals constantly confuse a large vocabulary with "intelligence". Olbermann appears "smart" because of he can use "big words" continuously. Liberals operate under some kind of delusion that they can construct sentences in a manner that result in miracles.

Pair this with their seemingly endless confidence that they (from Jimmy Carter to Obama) can reach murderers, tyrants and terrorists with their unique vocal skills and you have the perfect picture of abject intellect "superiority".

It would be sad if it wasn't so dangerous. The reality is that vast swaths of liberals swoon at the intellectually empty (yet endless) use of words like "change" and phrases like "making a difference" none of which MEAN ANYTHING substantively but conveniently allow listeners to project their visions of "change" onto the speaker.

So you end up with seemingly "smart" people using empty rhetoric that "captivates" people who need, desperately, to appear equally intellectually superior. It's a nice formulation for achieving power when you think about it. The irony is that this process is the antithesis of "intelligent".

126 tfc3rid  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:21:28am

re: #105 unrealizedviewpoint

Michael Johns should have been 3rd place IMO.
Other then that, totally predictable.
I cannot pick the winner though. ? ? ?

I think Johns got a raw deal...

It's going to be very close... I like Cook.

127 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:21:29am

re: #105 unrealizedviewpoint

Michael Johns should have been 3rd place IMO.
Other then that, totally predictable.
I cannot pick the winner though. ? ? ?

Cook is the one that should win, he's the best talent by far. But this is going to come down to a race to see if the 20-something women can dial faster and more often than the teeny-bopper girls for the final vote.

128 Ben Hur  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:21:38am

re: #81 snowcrash

Shut up Olberman, your disrespect of the office of the president of the United States of America sickens me.


But that's the highest form of patriotism.

129 bosforus  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:21:54am
I remember when talking this way about a President of the United States would guarantee losing advertisers.

The MSM has been in the anti-Bush tank for quite some time now. A few years ago it took the efforts of an obscure blogger to get a rather prominent news anchor fired due to some false documents. What was that blogger's name again? It's on the tip of my tongue...

130 Squirrelguy  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:21:54am

re: #122 jcm

Bush should bomb Iran.

The mad mullahs will be taken care of.
Olbermadman would have an aneurism on air.

Two birds.
One stone.

jcm for President! '08.

131 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:22:04am

Olbermann reminds of this guy who used to wander Fordham Road in the Bronx back in the 70s. We used to call him Chalkman. He'd go off on these wild incoherent rants for all to hear. Word is he was some tortured genius who had been a professor of some kind. All I know is when you heard him coming, you got as far away as possible

An early incarnation of Ted Kacynski, I guess. Anyway, he's translate his screed in chalk onto sidewalks, storefronts, wherever. Then it would rain and he'd have to start all over again.

Come to think of it, if 50 people heard him babbling on, that's more than Olberfraud's nightly audience.

132 BuddyG  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:22:17am

re: #110 keithgabryelski

Yeah, in 5 years we've lost about as many as were lost on D-Day.

133 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:22:31am
134 Ben Hur  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:22:46am

re: #125 jjag

Olbermann epitomizes the infatuation liberals have with "eloquence".

Liberals constantly confuse a large vocabulary with "intelligence". Olbermann appears "smart" because of he can use "big words" continuously. Liberals operate under some kind of delusion that they can construct sentences in a manner that result in miracles.

Pair this with their seemingly endless confidence that they (from Jimmy Carter to Obama) can reach murderers, tyrants and terrorists with their unique vocal skills and you have the perfect picture of abject intellect "superiority".

It would be sad if it wasn't so dangerous. The reality is that vast swaths of liberals swoon at the intellectually empty (yet endless) use of words like "change" and phrases like "making a difference" none of which MEAN ANYTHING substantively but conveniently allow listeners to project their visions of "change" onto the speaker.

So you end up with seemingly "smart" people using empty rhetoric that "captivates" people who need, desperately, to appear equally intellectually superior. It's a nice formulation for achieving power when you think about it. The irony is that this process is the antithesis of "intelligent".

Spot on.

And occasionally found here.

135 zmdavid  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:22:49am

re: #121 unrealizedviewpoint

You are so off base here. Where shall we begin?


Here's my summary of him:
Yes we're crazy! And it's all Bush's fault!

136 The Other Les  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:23:03am

re: #119 Rogue198

OT.

My god but the Defeatocrats are squealing like stuck pigs (wait a sec, pigs are unclean to Dhimmis, what can a dhimmi be squealing like?) from Bush's Grand Slam, dead-on-target shot today.

Immature dinosaurs.

137 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:23:11am
I guess this kind of hate speech sells advertisements.

Yeah, for the 12 people that actually watch him.

138 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:23:24am

re: #118 debutaunt

What a charming first comment.

it was an affirmation of base point of the poster, with a conscious to how someone can come to a point that they are that disrespectful.

139 TallTexan  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:23:30am

re: #102 Nevergiveup

Norwegian Cruise Lines has a surveillance video of that NJ woman who "fell" overboard. That begs the question why they have surveillance video like that and also would anyone here be interested in contributing to a fund to sent Keith Olbermann on a cruise?

I'll donate some special after-shave that is rumored to be part hemoglobin and sea lion musk. Guaranteed to attract other cold blooded creatures with a pointed sense of humor.

140 Golem Akbar  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:23:33am

re: #115 stead63

BHO...what a cry baby


Commenting on Obama’s reaction, former Massachusetts Gov. and McCain rival Mitt Romney said that he is reminded of the saying that the dog that barks on the other side of the fence is the one that was hit by the rock.

Bingo!

141 gman  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:23:34am

re: #13 laZardo

I was playing a round of Team Fortress 2 a few days back and the players on my team just gushed with praise when I mentioned Keith Olbermann (never mind that the rest of my sentence essentially labeled him as the same type of person as Bill O'Reilly...).

Olbermann continues to push the envelope with his crazy rants. Meanwhile, dhimms across the US stare awestruck at him like little children watching a teenager unleash a string of swear words.

Dhimm 1: "Wow! Did he just say what I think I just heard him say?"

Dhimm 2: "Yeah, he's cool"

Dhimm 1: "Awesome"

142 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:23:45am

re: #110 keithgabryelski

It's unfortunate we have a president that fails in so many ways that people consider attacking him in this way.

Olbermann is off on this, yes -- but I can understand the knee jerk reaction to anything President Bush says when considering the numbers of armed forces that have sacrificed their lives and limbs.

Bush could have a 99% approval rating and this schmuck would still hate him.

Snap out of it.

143 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:23:47am

re: #127 CyanSnowHawk

Cook is the one that should win, he's the best talent by far. But this is going to come down to a race to see if the 20-something women can dial faster and more often than the teeny-bopper girls for the final vote.

Ya know, YOU'RE RIGHT! !
Cook is the better talent.

144 Rogue198  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:23:54am

re: #123 Squirrelguy

Little girlie men?

The Breck Girl hasn't responded yet...

145 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:23:54am

re: #121 unrealizedviewpoint

You are so off base here. Where shall we begin?

feel free to start anywhere.

146 jamgarr  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:24:07am

Too easy!

147 zmdavid  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:24:12am

re: #109 RTLM

Sorosphilia?

148 drewberto  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:24:23am

re: #98 snowcrash

LOL I hear by inaugurate the Democratic Rage-Boy Fan-Boy Club. Another cool jumble of letters to go with PLO, AQI, BBC (lol), you get the idea

149 USA  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:24:42am

When I watched the video earlier morning, there was an advert at the bottom for Scottrade. Made me wish I had a brokerage account there so I could close it.

150 Squirrelguy  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:24:47am

re: #147 zmdavid

Sorosphilia?

Is that a new STD?

151 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:25:00am
152 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:25:05am

re: #138 keithgabryelski

it was an affirmation of base point of the poster, with a conscious to how someone can come to a point that they are that disrespectful.

English! English!

153 MandyManners  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:25:22am

re: #110 keithgabryelski

Asshole.

154 MrSilverDragon  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:25:31am

re: #147 zmdavid

Sorosphilia?

Please pass the brain bleach, or better yet, a full frontal lobotomy... /shudder

155 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:25:57am

re: #132 BuddyG

And you are comfortable with that measure?

156 MandyManners  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:25:57am

re: #152 Nevergiveup

English! English!

Engrish. Engrish.

157 The Other Les  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:26:05am

re: #150 Squirrelguy

Is that a new STD?

No. It's transmitted by money.

158 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:26:12am

The UK's big problem.....

London police 'confront' radical Muslims
Who's in control?

159 zombie  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:26:22am

So: Who elected Olbermann to the position of National Dictator?

I must have missed that election.

160 VegasRick  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:26:23am

re: #118 debutaunt

What a charming first comment.

Under / over on this one is noon pacific time.

161 BuddyG  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:26:27am

re: #155 keithgabryelski

Was D-Day worth it ?

162 jcm  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:26:27am

re: #130 Squirrelguy

jcm for President! '08.

LOL, if you think BDS is bad, wait till they get a load of me.

163 tommygum  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:26:30am

re: #110 keithgabryelski

Welcome to LGF.

/sarc

164 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:26:41am

Well well, Keith Gabryelski has himself a My Barack Obama page.

Isn't that cute.

165 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:26:42am

re: #156 MandyManners

Engrish. Engrish.

I teed that one up for you Mandy.

166 princetrumpet  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:26:48am

re: #110 keithgabryelski

One need not fail in order to be criticized by the left. In fact, success is usually the fast track to being put down by them. Winning two elections, for starters.

167 quickjustice  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:26:52am

"Shut up!", Olbermann explained.

168 jamgarr  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:27:37am

re: #164 JammieWearingFool

Well well, Keith Gabryelski has himself a My Barack Obama page.

Isn't that cute.


Nice catch.

169 tommygum  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:27:39am

re: #122 jcm

Bush should bomb Iran.

The mad mullahs will be taken care of.
Olbermadman would have an aneurism on air.

Two birds.
One stone.

After the election.

170 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:27:42am

re: #153 MandyManners

Asshole.

Do you have a rebuttal or just ad hominem attacks?

171 chukardog  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:27:59am

Olberman needs to be water boarded live on TV, now that would actually pull his ratings above the subterranean levels they are at. Olber-douche is the Code pink/ move on.org mouth piece.

172 Terp Mole  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:28:03am
re: #101 ggt I'd love to see a mock trial of this one. Watch the moonbats explode while having to deal with the reality of the court system.

Careful what you wish for...

Court 'can envisage' Blair prosecution

Tony Blair faces the prospect of an International Criminal Court investigation for alleged coalition war crimes in Iraq... America has refused to accept the court's jurisdiction and is unlikely to hand over any of its citizens to face trial...

You can bet the Obama Justice Department has already reviewed the ICC indictments.

173 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:28:08am

A real Bushitler would have had Olberdunce in chains and off to a deep, dark prison by now.

Our lefties are such whiners.

BTW, I am sure this has been covered, but THANK YOU PRESIDENT BUSH for your speech to the Knesset that has upset Barry Obama.

Bush throws a rock into a pack of appeasers, Obama hollers loudest.

/just like Grandpa said, the hit dog hollers the loudest
//I could have used the "general garment" Shakespeare reference, I guess

174 zombie  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:28:09am

re: #110 keithgabryelski

It's unfortunate we have a president that fails in so many ways that people consider attacking him in this way.

Olbermann is off on this, yes -- but I can understand the knee jerk reaction to anything President Bush says when considering the numbers of armed forces that have sacrificed their lives and limbs.

Weak, weak, weak.

The conveyor belt to the troll-dicing machine has some real sorry specimens today.

We need gamier buttocks!

175 zmdavid  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:28:10am

re: #160 VegasRick

Under / over on this one is noon pacific time.

under

176 USA  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:28:28am

re: #152 Nevergiveup

English! English!

Random word generator or Management Consultant?

177 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:28:28am

re: #110 keithgabryelski

It's unfortunate we have a president that fails in so many ways that people consider attacking him in this way.

Olbermann is off on this, yes -- but I can understand the knee jerk reaction to anything President Bush says when considering the numbers of armed forces that have sacrificed their lives and limbs.

Hey Keith, this is for you.

178 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:28:44am
179 Rancher  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:28:53am

OT-
EXTRA, EXTRA: Russia Will Not Allow a Nuclear Iran

In a groundbreaking session at the Facing Tommorow Conference organized by Israel’s President Shimon Peres, Sergey Mirinov, Chairman of the Federation Council of Russia addressed the issue of Iranian Nuclear program:

“If we deduce that Iran is refusing the supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Russia will act appropriately. A nuclear Iran will would be a threat to global peace. Russia will not allow for that to happen”

Addressing the issue of the Iranian nuclear program at length, in this address, the speaker said the following: “Obviously Russia opposes a nuclear Iran, an Iranian Nuclear program is only possible for the purposes of civilian purposes. Iran must be prevented from obtaining a nuclear weapon, as that would be a threat to civilization. To this end, the Iranian leadership must be pressed to the wall and its steps must be closely monitored. If we deduce that Iran is refusing the supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Russia will act appropriately.”

180 bulwrk  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:28:54am

re: #110 keithgabryelski

Olbermann is off on this, yes -- but I can understand the knee jerk reaction to anything President Bush says when considering the numbers of armed forces that have sacrificed their lives and limbs.


oh he is jerking something alright but its not his knee.

181 David Simon  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:29:08am

re: #110 keithgabryelski

Olbermann is off on this, yes -- but I can understand the knee jerk reaction to anything President Bush says when considering the numbers of armed forces that have sacrificed their lives and limbs.

Really. Have you ever heard Olbermann go off on the terrorists (you know, the ones who actually did the killing and maiming) like that?

182 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:29:15am

re: #164 JammieWearingFool

Well well, Keith Gabryelski has himself a My Barack Obama page.

Isn't that cute.

and I raise money for him -- would you like to donate?

183 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:29:38am

Here's all you need to know about Keith Uberlady and his "inadequacies", according to former "girlfriends", and what a girlyman he is. [Link: www.marklevinshow.com...]

184 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:29:58am
re: #121 unrealizedviewpoint

You are so off base here. Where shall we begin?

re: #145 keithgabryelski

feel free to start anywhere.

How about I start with this

but I can understand the knee jerk reaction to anything President Bush says when considering the numbers of armed forces that have sacrificed their lives and limbs.

Only, code pinko could create such a sentence.

185 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:30:02am
186 StinkHammer  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:30:03am

re: #6 Honorary Yooper

Does anyone actually watch Olbermann?

Actually, my father-in-law's ladyfriend is a K.O. fan -- but then, she represents his core audience constituency: angry, vitriolic, immature, emotionally hyperbolic Lefties. Olbermann's entire "outrage" schtick is red meat for those unhinged Leftists who feed on "shock jock" tactics ("Truth to power!" and all that tired rot). He fills that niche. But no thinking person can take him seriously.

187 MandyManners  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:30:13am

re: #170 keithgabryelski

Do you have a rebuttal or just ad hominem attacks?

Fucking asshole.

188 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:30:28am

re: #178 JammieWearingFool

Keith looks like he needs a shower.

Brooklime MA. Well that explains alot.

189 MandyManners  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:30:52am

re: #164 JammieWearingFool

Well well, Keith Gabryelski has himself a My Barack Obama page.

Isn't that cute.

Shore 'nuf.

190 lawhawk  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:31:15am

Not quite OT:
The black case against Obama:That so many people have a stake in ignoring these real concerns is troubling. At least the Hillary supporters I know seem to be aware of her more unsavory traits: that she carries a knife with her that she could pull out at any minute. Not so with Obama's fans. It's nearly impossible to get them to admit any wrong in him. Given the choice, I prefer to side with the group that knows their candidate can be a jerk, rather than the group that believes their candidate is Jesus.

191 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:31:16am

re: #166 princetrumpet

One need not fail in order to be criticized by the left. In fact, success is usually the fast track to being put down by them. Winning two elections, for starters.

So, by your logic, President Clinton was successful.

192 MandyManners  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:31:27am

re: #165 Nevergiveup

I teed that one up for you Mandy.

'Preciate ya'.

193 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:31:30am
194 VegasRick  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:31:41am

re: #175 zmdavid

under

you just made the line move to 11AM.

195 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:32:00am

re: #184 unrealizedviewpoint

Only, code pinko could create such a sentence.

never have been associated with code pink. Uninterested in them.

196 David Simon  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:32:05am

re: #182 keithgabryelski

and I raise money for him -- would you like to donate?

And there you have it.

197 Creeping Eruption  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:32:05am

re: #182 keithgabryelski

and I raise money for him -- would you like to donate?

You got balls, I'll give you that. Excuse me while I go get some popcorn. Be back in a minute.

198 alegrias  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:32:09am

Speaking of dropping circulation to zero, has anyone heard who is taking the buyouts at the WashingtonPost today? Even their editor was supposedly being offered buyouts to keep the place afloat. This was to be announced today.

The End (of old media) is Near!

Thank you and Long Live Charles Johnson.

199 MandyManners  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:32:09am

re: #174 zombie

Weak, weak, weak.

The conveyor belt to the troll-dicing machine has some real sorry specimens today.

We need gamier buttocks!

See Jammie's No. 164.

200 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:32:25am
201 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:32:35am

re: #170 keithgabryelski

Do you have a rebuttal or just ad hominem attacks?

I read your blog. I like that you post that the painting-Obama-as-Jimmy-Carter gambit won't work because Democrat voters are too ignorant to know how bad a president Carter was. Great point.

202 cblesz  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:32:42am

re: #110 keithgabryelski

It's unfortunate we have a president that fails in so many ways that people consider attacking him in this way.

Olbermann is off on this, yes -- but I can understand the knee jerk reaction to anything President Bush says when considering the numbers of armed forces that have sacrificed their lives and limbs.

Time for you to leave, troll. I can understand everyone here having a knee jerk reaction that you too are a douchebag.

203 docremulac  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:32:44am

"I guess this kind of hate speech sells advertisements."

Not according to the ratings for this idiot's show. They're down there in the ratings basement with "Kitchen miracles" infomercials.

204 jamgarr  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:32:46am

The real question here is not whether to resort to ad hominem - but, rather, how long it will take Charles to subtract hominem.

205 MandyManners  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:32:51am

re: #182 keithgabryelski

and I raise money for him -- would you like to donate?

Get the fuck outta' here.

206 alegrias  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:32:57am

re: #149 USA

When I watched the video earlier morning, there was an advert at the bottom for Scottrade. Made me wish I had a brokerage account there so I could close it.

* * *
You could contact Scotttrade and say you'll never open an account with a business that advertises on __________channel.

207 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:33:00am

re: #133 ploome hineni

Secretary Robert Gates said Wednesday that negotiations would only be possible if Washington had something to offer Tehran.

Yes, I agree. But the offer should be that we won't attack if they eliminate any chance of developing nuclear weapons. Or maybe it should be that we'll stop the attack if they agree.

And in either case, they have to agree that Israel verifies that Iran has ended its nuclear weapons program, since they are the country at most risk. (The US might not even be second; Iran might want to consolidate their power over the Moslem countries first.)

208 princetrumpet  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:33:09am

By the way, keithgre: #164 JammieWearingFool

By the way... notice he spelled Barack wrong on the site. It says "Bartack" Obama. I kinda like that... A small pushpin that holds together a place for drunks to gather.

209 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:33:14am

re: #182 keithgabryelski

and I raise money for him -- would you like to donate?

No. I see you have only $4,470 to go. Major bundler, I see.

You haven't posted anything since Febraury. What, you run out of hope?

210 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:33:15am

re: #182 keithgabryelski

and I raise money for him -- would you like to donate?

To a racist Marxist? I think not.

211 MrSilverDragon  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:33:28am

re: #182 keithgabryelski

and I raise money for him -- would you like to donate?

I will refer you to my previous post a few threads back. I don't like the guy, I don't trust the guy, I would never vote for the guy... and as far as donating to his cause... not a chance in Hell.

212 Morganfrost  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:33:32am
I guess this kind of hate speech sells advertisements. I remember when talking this way about a President of the United States would guarantee losing advertisers.

Eh. Truth is, people simply tune in to things that have shock value; media shamelessly provides it, and advertisers shamelessly sponsor it. In the end, however many people will tune in to watch Olbermann on MSNBC, as he rants and spews his venom, you could easily get three times as many who would tune in to watch a hypothetical reality show like "Dobermans On Olbermann" (if Fox could find a way to produce such a thing).

213 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:33:33am
214 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:33:41am

re: #188 Nevergiveup

Brooklime MA. Well that explains alot.

And you know anything of Brookline, MA or me?

215 Alouette  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:33:54am

re: #182 keithgabryelski

and I raise money for him -- would you like to donate?

Would you prefer a Giant Douche or a Turd Sandwich?

216 jcm  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:33:57am

re: #182 keithgabryelski

Military death rates by year.

1,245 in 1993;
1,109 in 1994;
1,055 in 1995;
1,008 in 1996.
That's 4,417
In Peacetime....
Was that worth it?

217 ccrnyc  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:34:03am

I reach more people by yelling out my window.

218 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:34:25am
219 zombie  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:34:27am

Well well well -- what a surprise:

ROPers claim credit for India massacre of innocents

JAIPUR, India (AP) --
A previously unknown Islamic militant group claimed Thursday to have used explosive-laden bicycles to plant bombs that tore through this historic Indian city, warning in an e-mail of more attacks on popular tourists sites.(AP) _
The e-mail, a copy of which was obtained by The Associated Press, came with a document that demands India stop working with the United States and Britain or "face more attacks at other important tourist places."
...The e-mail also came with an attached Microsoft Word document that is purportedly written by a Guru al-Hindi, who claims to be from a previously unknown group calling itself the Indian Mujahedeen.
"This letter is an open warning to India (to) stop supporting (the) U.S. in the international arena, and if you do continue then get ready to face more attacks at other important tourist places," wrote Guru-Al-Hindi, which is a blend of Hindi and Arabic that means teacher of Indians.
220 cblesz  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:34:48am

re: #164 JammieWearingFool

Well well, Keith Gabryelski has himself a My Barack Obama page.

Isn't that cute.


Shocked! utterly shocked! What a douche. Get lost Keith. Really, can you give us any details of Barry's accomplishments or where he stands on ANY issues? Can you?

221 shanec99  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:34:51am

re: #179 Rancher

OT-
EXTRA, EXTRA: Russia Will Not Allow a Nuclear Iran


The world knows that Iran funds the spread of Islam through violence if it accelerates the displacement of a competing ideology.
Can you imagine if Iran had given the Chechnya terrorists nukes? Russia may be our world rivals, but they are not suicidal.

222 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:34:59am

re: #214 keithgabryelski

And you know anything of Brookline, MA or me?

Well, I know you never read a history book or understood it at least.

223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:35:00am

I actually liked "Bathtub Boy" (as John Gibson calls him) on ESPN. When it didn't really matter for much, he was entertaining.

Now that it matters...actually I don't know. Have not watched him for a total of 3 minutes in all of the time he has been on the air.

224 bulwrk  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:35:05am

re: #218 buzzsawmonkey

good one

225 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:35:06am
226 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:35:09am
227 lawhawk  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:35:32am

re: #201 coquimbojoe

Many of those Democrats don't even know who Carter is - if you go by the claims that the youth vote will go to Obama. Most of them wouldn't know about the misery index of 22 (compared to the supposed doom and gloom of about 8 - combine inflation with unemployment to receive rough estimate of misery). They wouldn't know the first thing about Carter's foreign policy disasters, whether it was Iran, Afghanistan, or his continued meddling in the Middle East or affirming elections for corrupt dictators (and wannabe dictators).

228 Intrepid  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:35:34am

re: #209 JammieWearingFool

No. I see you have only $4,470 to go. Major bundler, I see.

You haven't posted anything since Febraury. What, you run out of hope?

I think he ran out of change - counting all those nickels and pennies has to be monotonous....

229 drewberto  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:35:35am

re: #117 tommygum

Begs for a photoshop.

feel free man! i dont own photoshop or really have the time for it but i support you wholeheartedly! i personally imagine an image like keith raging on the prow of a little boat like george washington crossing the delaware with ten dudes in keffiyahs rowing his ship.

or

keith climbing the empire state building getting his rage on like king kong.

which gives me another idea.....king kong keith. lol.

i could waste my whole day doing this

230 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:35:38am

re: #219 zombie

Surprise!

231 Kenneth  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:35:54am

OT: but almost as wacky as Overthetopman,

I just downloaded some CAD software and had to confirm the following statement:

I will not use the software for, and will not allow the software to be used for, any purposes prohibited by United States law, including, without limitation, for the development, design, manufacture or production of nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons of mass destruction.

Dang! My dastardly plot is foiled again!

232 VegasRick  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:36:07am

re: #220 cblesz

Shocked! utterly shocked! What a douche. Get lost Keith. Really, can you give us any details of Barry's accomplishments or where he stands on ANY issues? Can you?

He likes waffles.

233 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:36:31am

re: #187 MandyManners

Fucking asshole.

re: #209 JammieWearingFool

No. I see you have only $4,470 to go. Major bundler, I see.

You haven't posted anything since Febraury. What, you run out of hope?

Nope. I've done what I consider to be a good job.

234 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:36:31am

re: #227 lawhawk

Many of those Democrats don't even know who Carter is - if you go by the claims that the youth vote will go to Obama. Most of them wouldn't know about the misery index of 22 (compared to the supposed doom and gloom of about 8 - combine inflation with unemployment to receive rough estimate of misery). They wouldn't know the first thing about Carter's foreign policy disasters, whether it was Iran, Afghanistan, or his continued meddling in the Middle East or affirming elections for corrupt dictators (and wannabe dictators).

Exactly.

235 bosforus  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:36:37am

re: #170 keithgabryelski

Do you have a rebuttal or just ad hominem attacks?

Is this better?

236 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:36:50am

re: #97 Intrepid

Dang - I used to like Vince Bugliosi, thought he was a great prosecutor. But his overarching ego has driven him around the bend, I fear.

Bugliosi also said Algore should have been President in 2000, and that the SCOTUS erred in their 7-2 smackdown of the FL. Supreme Court, in favor of GWB. What arrogance. He's nothing more than a left-wing hack has-been.

What the hell has Bugliosi done since the Manson family trial nearly 4 decades ago?

237 Pyrocles  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:36:54am

My pseudo-conservative father watches Olbermann and Chris Matthews all the time, and agrees with them on everything. He used to a be small business owner, and was very Republican; he hated Clinton... Now after working for American Axle for years and being recently laid-off, he absolutely HATES Republicans. You should see how his face gets all flushed and red when he's really getting into Olby's spews. He's always got MSNBC on when I visit.../sigh.

re: #186 StinkHammer

238 lawhawk  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:36:57am

re: #232 VegasRick

In 57 flavors.

239 MandyManners  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:37:26am

re: #218 buzzsawmonkey

How much do you have to raise to win the bicycle or the BB gun?

He wants the gold fish.

240 Cygnus  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:37:36am

re: #90 MrSilverDragon

Wouldn't the whole dinosaur thing actually be saurophillic?

And featured at the Jurassic Folsom Street Fair.

241 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:37:41am

Hey Keith, instead spending time with us, how about you take a few minutes reading a few threads about Barack Obama. I guarantee you, you will come away with a whole new perspective on him. Pick a thread, any thread from the tag storm on the left. Or would it be too threatening to your ego to hear the oppositions opinions on your candidate?

242 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:37:47am

Maybe Keith can update his Bartack Obama page alerting his 85 friends to how he was treated so awfully over here.

OK, Keith, I'll donate. Here's a dollar. Go buy a fucking clue.

243 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:37:57am

re: #191 keithgabryelski

So, by your logic, President Clinton was successful.

Well, of course he was.

In so many ways.

Not all of them legal, or even desirable.

Why do you ask? It's been all over the news since 1992.

244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:38:00am

re: #219 zombie

Just color me shocked. I'm shocked I tell ya!

245 Miss Molly  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:38:18am

Nobody watches MSNBC at all. I am suprised they are still on the air with so few viewers.

246 princetrumpet  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:38:22am

re: #191 keithgabryelski

Yes, he was successful at getting us attacked 8 times and fellated in the Oval office. He was successful at getting taxes raised. He was successful at shooting a camel in the ass with an expensive missile. He was successful at caring so much about opinion that he wimped out on virtually everything that was of any serious value to us as a country. He was successful at getting impeached.

Yes, he was successful.

247 NoSubmission  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:38:35am

re: #209 JammieWearingFool

No. I see you have only $4,470 to go. Major bundler, I see.

You haven't posted anything since Febraury. What, you run out of hope?


Good one, Jammie! LOL

248 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:39:16am

re: #233 keithgabryelski

Nope. I've done what I consider to be a good job.

Typical Masshole slacker.

He's proud to be a loser.

249 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:39:34am

re: #211 MrSilverDragon

I will refer you to my previous post a few threads back. I don't like the guy, I don't trust the guy, I would never vote for the guy... and as far as donating to his cause... not a chance in Hell.

Well, I might be talked into donating money towards a one-way ticket out of the US to some country Obama might like; Cuba, Zimbabwe, Iran, Syria, Myanmar (because if it becomes Burma again he wouldn't like it), etc.
And he'd have to agree never to return.

250 Sounder  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:39:50am

Call his Mommy.

251 Lively  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:39:54am

re: #215 Alouette

Would you prefer a Giant Douche or a Turd Sandwich?

I'm trying to eat lunch here.

252 Rancher  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:40:00am

re: #221 shanec99

Russia may be our world rivals, but they are not suicidal.

Russia and China both have to be concerned when Jihadist Islamo Fascists extremists get their nukes. That’s why their actions to date, i.e. blocking any UN action, have been so puzzling.

253 VegasRick  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:40:08am

Keith's mommy must have told him to come out of the basement and take a shower.

254 Creeping Eruption  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:40:12am

re: #233 keithgabryelski

Nope. I've done what I consider to be a good job.

I, for one, hope you stay. Not only is it fun to watch you get kicked around, but I actually want to see if you are willing or able to defend Obama against some of the facts that have been put out on LGF. You have been around for a few months, and no doubt have read what people have been saying. This is your opportunity to respond. I'm not kidding. You won't change any minds, but I am interested in seeing if there are any reasoned responses to the multitude of reasons why obama should not be president of this great nation.

255 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:40:24am

Keith, you look really stoned on your Obama page. Were you doing bonghits out of a skull that day?

256 The Other Les  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:40:37am

re: #240 Cygnus

And featured at the Jurassic Folsom Street Fair.

Ewwwwwwwwwww!

257 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:40:39am

re: #218 buzzsawmonkey

How much do you have to raise to win the bicycle or the BB gun?

Goodness, both of those items are so dangerous.

/unsuitable for libs

258 tommygum  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:40:43am

re: #129 bosforus

The MSM has been in the anti-Bush tank for quite some time now. A few years ago it took the efforts of an obscure blogger to get a rather prominent news anchor fired due to some false documents. What was that blogger's name again? It's on the tip of my tongue...

Obama is on the tip of Olberdouche's tongue.

259 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:40:51am

re: #182 keithgabryelski

and I raise money for him -- would you like to donate?

No, I'd rather have Barack Hussein Obama indicted and convicted, along with the rest of the criminals running Cook County and Illinois.

260 Cygnus  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:41:04am

re: #112 Squirrelguy

People Eating Tasty Dinosaurs?

You can see those dinosaurs at any 7-11 on the hot dog warmer. Those dogs sure do look that old.

261 MandyManners  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:41:24am

re: #233 keithgabryelski

Chew on this, asshole.

262 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:41:27am

re: #178 JammieWearingFool

Keith looks like he needs a shower.

Keith Gabryelski (Brookline, MA)
That explains a lot, he's infected with Kennedy proximity syndrome, a condition usually marked by weak will power, a notable lack of individual achievement, a desire to be accepted by the surrounding liberals, and a wish to not be held accountable for one's actions.

263 bosforus  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:41:53am

A face to the name.
Keith Gabryelski
(Hope my stalker tendencies don't freak you out too much, Keith. We're just seasoned troll hunters is all.)

264 VegasRick  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:42:16am

re: #255 JammieWearingFool

Keith, you look really stoned on your Obama page. Were you doing bonghits out of a skull that day?

Keith looks more like a "Timmy". I call BS on the name.

265 badsysop  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:42:22am

MSNBC is a f'n joke. I was reading THIS CRAP and am really amazed by how the MSM is talking up Obama. It is certainly contrived and a deliberate attempt to promote him.

I don't even know why I click on MSNBC, really. WHY?

266 Kenneth  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:42:22am

re: #110 keithgabryelski

It's unfortunate we have a president that fails in so many ways that people consider attacking him in this way.

Olbermann is off on this, yes -- but I can understand the knee jerk reaction to anything President Bush says when considering the numbers of armed forces that have sacrificed their lives and limbs.

Then you would also condemn Presidents Washington, Lincoln, Wilson, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr., & Clinton for the same reasons? Because soldiers died defending America during their presidencies?

267 bosforus  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:42:29am

re: #178 JammieWearingFool

Keith looks like he needs a shower.

Oh crap, I was way behind on that one.

268 Sakublock  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:43:04am

Nothing like a good does of fake indignation to rally the lefty nuts.

269 StinkHammer  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:43:05am

re: #237 Pyrocles

My pseudo-conservative father watches Olbermann and Chris Matthews all the time, and agrees with them on everything.... You should see how his face gets all flushed and red when he's really getting into Olby's spews. He's always got MSNBC on when I visit.../sigh.

You have my sympathies, believe me. I absolutely HATE visiting my father-in-law for that very reason. His woman friend is simply unbearable when she goes into "unhinged Lefty with BDS" mode -- which is most of the time.

270 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:43:09am

re: #221 shanec99

The world knows that Iran funds the spread of Islam through violence if it accelerates the displacement of a competing ideology.
Can you imagine if Iran had given the Chechnya terrorists nukes? Russia may be our world rivals, but they are not suicidal.

I'll believe Russia when they dismantle the reactor they built in Iran, take back all the fuel, and any other technology they sold Iran. Somehow, the rubles mean more than the terrorism that they'll get along with the money.
They are being stupid, but I think the US and Israel will have to stop Iran.

271 Cygnus  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:43:17am

re: #132 BuddyG

Yeah, in 5 years we've lost about as many as were lost on D-Day.

Can you imagine how he would have reacted to D-Day? Duck and cover!

272 shanec99  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:43:33am

re: #252 Rancher

Russia and China both have to be concerned when Jihadist Islamo Fascists extremists get their nukes. That’s why their actions to date, i.e. blocking any UN action, have been so puzzling.

The first time the Islamic murderers explode a bomb in a Beijing government building because it does not allow them freedom of worship Beijing will change its attitude.

273 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:43:51am

re: #251 Lively

I'm trying to eat lunch here.

So that would be the Turd Sandwich, then. Would you like fries with that? A nice arrugula salad, perhaps?

274 MandyManners  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:44:02am

re: #178 JammieWearingFool

Keith looks like he needs a shower.

The two Keiths today? I've lost quite a few I.Q. points.

275 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:44:32am

re: #241 unrealizedviewpoint

Hey Keith, instead spending time with us, how about you take a few minutes reading a few threads about Barack Obama. I guarantee you, you will come away with a whole new perspective on him. Pick a thread, any thread from the tag storm on the left. Or would it be too threatening to your ego to hear the oppositions opinions on your candidate?

I have been lurking for a while. I've read quite a bit. Some I agree with, a lot I don't. In fact, I bookmarked LGF a while back because of some good submissions I saw.

Consider that I chose my first post to agree with the submitter, show my displeasure with Olbermann but with an understanding of his displeasure.

276 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:44:50am

re: #259 Honorary Yooper

No, I'd rather have Barack Hussein Obama indicted and convicted, along with the rest of the criminals running Cook County and Illinois.

I'd donate to see that.

/but I won't hold my breath

277 redheadredstate  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:44:51am

Olbermann epitomizes the infatuation liberals have with "eloquence".

Liberals constantly confuse a large vocabulary with "intelligence". Olbermann appears "smart" because of he can use "big words" continuously. Liberals operate under some kind of delusion that they can construct sentences in a manner that result in miracles.

Pair this with their seemingly endless confidence that they (from Jimmy Carter to Obama) can reach murderers, tyrants and terrorists with their unique vocal skills and you have the perfect picture of abject intellect "superiority".
Re # 125 jjag

It would be sad if it wasn't so dangerous. The reality is that vast swaths of liberals swoon at the intellectually empty (yet endless) use of words like "change" and phrases like "making a difference" none of which MEAN ANYTHING substantively but conveniently allow listeners to project their visions of "change" onto the speaker.

So you end up with seemingly "smart" people using empty rhetoric that "captivates" people who need, desperately, to appear equally intellectually superior. It's a nice formulation for achieving power when you think about it. The irony is that this process is the antithesis of "intelligent".

Like my mamma once told me "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull---t" Just because you can use big fancy words doesn't necessarily mean you're intellegent.

278 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:44:53am

re: #227 lawhawk

Many of those Democrats don't even know who Carter is - if you go by the claims that the youth vote will go to Obama. Most of them wouldn't know about the misery index of 22 (compared to the supposed doom and gloom of about 8 - combine inflation with unemployment to receive rough estimate of misery). They wouldn't know the first thing about Carter's foreign policy disasters, whether it was Iran, Afghanistan, or his continued meddling in the Middle East or affirming elections for corrupt dictators (and wannabe dictators).

Of course they wouldn't know. If their professors even mentioned Carter, they either loved him or thought he failed because he didn't bring communism to the US.

279 USA  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:44:58am

keithgabryelski

You are probably a decent guy. I hope for your own sake your guy does not get elected. In about 15 years, you will look back at this time in your life with great embarrassment. Just ask most of the folks who voted for Jimmy Carter.

Have a nice day. Now run back to daily KOS like a good boy.

280 alegrias  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:45:00am

Olberman probably says the same thing to and about the Clintons, now that he & other cowardly leftists have lost their love for Bill & Hill.

Cowards, trying to shut down discourse they don't like.

Cowards don't even pretend to be fair or balanced. Unhinged is ok by them.

281 SemperHunden  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:45:24am

My God, he is absolutely insane. The sad thing is, I have friends and family who think this guy is a legit commentator with solid opinions. But, as a commenter on the NewsBusters website said, "In America you have the right to be a lunatic."

282 JohnnyReb  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:45:32am

re: #205 MandyManners

Get the fuck outta' here.

Thats $1.50 you owe the cuss jar now....LOL.

283 BuddyG  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:45:48am

re: #271 Cygnus

Imagine if today's MSM wrote the headlines for 6-6-44:

Invasion a disaster - thousands killed on Normandy beaches

Minimal territority captured

Caen still in German hands

284 Golem Akbar  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:46:22am

Dennis Prager is talking about Olbermann right now.

285 Terp Mole  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:46:50am
re: #254 Creeping Eruption I, for one, hope you stay. Not only is it fun to watch you get kicked around, but I actually want to see if you are willing or able to defend Obama against some of the facts that have been put out on LGF.

My thoughts exactly, keithgabryelski.

As long as we're talking about murder charges, how do progressives explain and justify their lockstep allegiance with Obama's hardline Marxist foreign policy allegiance with his mass murderering cousin Odinga?

Afterall, Obama's only foreign policy experience (so far) was campaigning for his cousin Odinga (a convicted felon) in formerly stable Kenya. This while Obama's Marxist revolutionary cousin had his Islamo-fascist political operatives busy raping and looting and burning black women and children alive in their church pews. Obama's new ally (his cousin, Prime Minister Odinga) has now displaced hundreds of thousands of refugees, burned crops to the point where Kenyans are starving and thoroughly destabilized a pro-Western ally bordered with Islamo-fascist Somalia.

I've posed this question in a number of academic forums and can't get anyone to answer. Care to enlighten us, keithgabryelski?

286 Intrepid  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:46:55am

re: #236 Bob in Breckenridge

I started getting a little miffed at him when he totally trashed the Simpson prosecution team (not that they didn't deserve criticism, mind you) and boasted that he would have won that case if he'd prosecuted it.

No one was going to win that case, no matter what rabbits they pulled out of their hats.

Didn't know he said that about Gore 2000, though. Sigh. That cements it.

287 zmdavid  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:46:57am

re: #182 keithgabryelski
There are a lot of terrorists that support Obama, some of them wealthy. Maybe you should ask them for donations.

288 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:46:58am

re: #283 BuddyG

Imagine if today's MSM wrote the headlines for 6-6-44:

Invasion a disaster - thousands killed on Normandy beaches

Minimal territority captured

Caen still in German hands

Well lets be honest, the fact that Caen was still in German hands is all Monty's fault.

289 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:47:17am

By the way. Everytime I click a link to another blog, I am reminded that LGF is a very attractive and easy to read.

Charles?

*MWAH!*

And I mean that in a totally Macho, Manly way.

Not that there is anything wrong with the other way.

290 chinesearithmetic  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:47:30am

For God's sake, Nurse Ratched, give Olbermann his cigarettes.

291 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:47:49am
292 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:47:49am

re: #110 keithgabryelski

It's unfortunate we have a president that fails in so many ways that people consider attacking him in this way.

Olbermann is off on this, yes -- but I can understand the knee jerk reaction to anything President Bush says when considering the numbers of armed forces that have sacrificed their lives and limbs.

Unfortunately we've lost 4000 heroes in 5 years, but these heroes knew what they were signing up for when they joined the Armed Forces.

On 9-11 3000 hard-working Americans were incinerated while minding their own business and just doing their jobs, in about 45 minutes!, you moron. Get outta here.

293 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:48:02am

re: #255 JammieWearingFool

Keith, you look really stoned on your Obama page. Were you doing bonghits out of a skull that day?

I was camping with my son for 3 months.

Don't do illegal drugs. Uninterested in them. You seem fixated on them, though.

294 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:48:15am

re: #246 princetrumpet


Don't forget, Clinton was successful at getting the world to consider Arafat a statesman instead of a terrorist.

295 BuddyG  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:48:34am

re: #288 Nevergiveup

And Caen was followed-up by Monty's Market Garden operation.

296 gymnast  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:48:42am

Ah yes the deluded news actors and former sports announcers of the 4th estate, speaking with authority as if they knew the difference between baby shit and apple butter while they eat it by the spoonful and pass it out by the bucket full. If it is advertised on NBC it is on my shitlist.

297 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:48:50am

re: #178 JammieWearingFool

Keith looks like he needs a shower.

Keith looks like he has the munchies.

298 psaturn  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:48:55am

Charles and etal

Have you guys noticed how the press just simply address our President as simply, George Bush or Bush?

Protocol dictates it should be addressed as President Bush.

I guess many still think that the election was 'stolen' but forgets his second term he won convincingly...and that is in the Middle America where the bitter folks who cling to guns and Bible live...

President Bush may not be our 'best' President, but he was a far better choice than the other guy...Swiftboated or not...and was confirmed again and again by his later actions.

299 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:49:00am

re: #248 JammieWearingFool

Typical Masshole slacker.

He's proud to be a loser.

Hey, there are some lizards here in Moonbattachusetts.

300 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:49:04am

re: #263 bosforus

A face to the name.
Keith Gabryelski
(Hope my stalker tendencies don't freak you out too much, Keith. We're just seasoned troll hunters is all.)

I'm all good with it.

301 redheadredstate  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:49:27am

#277 PIMF

this should reference # 125

I'll see ya'll later, I need my coffee.

302 Roger  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:49:40am

re: #110 keithgabryelski

It's unfortunate we have a president that fails in so many ways that people consider attacking him in this way.

Olbermann is off on this, yes -- but I can understand the knee jerk reaction to anything President Bush says when considering the numbers of armed forces that have sacrificed their lives and limbs.


With the progressives support for the enemy, constantly giving them hope that the progressives will gain power and 'free' our external enemies from the US military, the Iraq conflict has claimed many more lives and has been prolonged for years. We wouldn't have near the troops in Iraq if it weren't for you and your twisted progressive buddies.

303 stead63  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:49:59am

So they are saying he will eventually become this?

rad.

304 David Simon  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:50:20am

re: #275 keithgabryelski

Consider that I chose my first post to agree with the submitter, show my displeasure with Olbermann but with an understanding of his displeasure.

Because of the Iraq war? Tell me Keith, what's the best way to deal with millions of fanatics who want to kill us?

305 psaturn  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:50:30am

re: #289 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By the way. Everytime I click a link to another blog, I am reminded that LGF is a very attractive and easy to read.

Charles?

*MWAH!*

And I mean that in a totally Macho, Manly way.

Not that there is anything wrong with the other way.

In Europe, it is very many for men to kiss each other...

Is that what they call Metrosexual?

306 Dad O' Blondes  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:50:59am

I remember when talking this way about a President of the United States would guarantee losing advertisers.

Me too.

Olbermann would never -- ever -- tell the leader of Iran to "Shut up" after he deinies the Holocaust, calls for Israel's destruction, labels his country as "Satan".

"Where are we going -- and why am I in this handbasket?"

.

307 realwest  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:51:02am

re: #236 Bob in Breckenridge Especially because the SCOTUS actually ruled on three different matters in that case. The first was whether or not the Federal Government had the right to tell State Governments how long they had to count votes. The vote on that one was NO by 7-2; the second matter was whether or not Florida could do certify the final vote tally within a time frame selected by Florida and the vote in that one was YES by 6-3, the final decision - which given the first two results upholding the State of Florida should have been a no brainer was whether or not the Plaintiff, (Gore) could demand a recount only in counties which the Plaintiff wanted re-counted and the vote on that was NO by 5-4.
The media, naturally, said that the Supreme Court "gave" the victory to Bush in a 5-4 decision.

Nobody, including Bugliosi bothered to point out that if Al Gore had won his HOME State of Tennessee, he would have won the election regardless of the vote in Florida.

308 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:52:37am

re: #275 keithgabryelski

I have been lurking for a while. I've read quite a bit. Some I agree with, a lot I don't. In fact, I bookmarked LGF a while back because of some good submissions I saw.

Consider that I chose my first post to agree with the submitter, show my displeasure with Olbermann but with an understanding of his displeasure.

Good luck with your mission to find truth. Keep an open mind as the majority here have exhausted the issues. I looked as young, and thought as you, once too.

309 bulwrk  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:52:55am

re: #293 keithgabryelski

I was camping with my son for 3 months.


mom kick you out?

310 ding  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:52:59am

Another example of the left hate-machine ratcheting up. Soon they shall take direct action against all who stand in their way.

It starts with Kos and Olbermann getting the troops heads right.

Then trial lawyers criminalizing the political process.

Soon they'll have your address dear punditeer.

Heads rolling in the main square. It's happened before with the left in control. France, Russia; you know the list.

It all starts with figures like Obermann. The hate...get it going! Define everything that the opposition stands for as wrong, evil, stupid.

They come up with hope, change and taxing the rich as their game plan but it works! Those they pander to lap it up. I swear, Obama with his chin in the air looks just like Lenin! Dude had the same game plan.

Anyway, we're in for rough times my friends. If the tipping point is met and his ratings go up, look out.

311 psaturn  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:53:40am

Wow..Pelosis said regarding President Bush that it was "beneath his office"...

And talking to dictators like she did is an honorable thing to do?

312 drewberto  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:53:57am

re: #304 David Simon

Because of the Iraq war? Tell me Keith, what's the best way to deal with millions of fanatics who want to kill us?

yell at them! LOL

313 alegrias  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:54:05am

re: #277 redheadredstate

* * *
Redheadedstate,

Bill Clinton was brilliant & eloquent, only now he's toxic to dems looking for a new meal ticket to power.

In their quest for power, dems will throw even eloquent brilliant people under the bus, because brilliance & eloquence aren't everything.

But we already knew that. Guts, heart, & belief in the inherent goodness & decency of the American people count for a lot.

314 MandyManners  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:55:17am

re: #293 keithgabryelski

I was camping with my son for 3 months.

Don't do illegal drugs. Uninterested in them. You seem fixated on them, though.

Someone actually had sex with you?

315 badsysop  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:55:24am

re: #275 keithgabryelski

I have been lurking for a while. I've read quite a bit. Some I agree with, a lot I don't. In fact, I bookmarked LGF a while back because of some good submissions I saw.

Consider that I chose my first post to agree with the submitter, show my displeasure with Olbermann but with an understanding of his displeasure.

The same kind of "disagreeing" with the VA Tech killer but "understanding his displeasure" like a kos kiddie would? The problem with progressives is to rationalize the irrational.

316 bosforus  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:55:48am

re: #300 keithgabryelski

I'm all good with it.

You seemed like you would be. 5 seconds of internet research freaks some people out.

317 markie  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:56:45am

I read (on the Internets) some progressive espousing the position that Liberals are not welcome on the Internet and that they have a rough time of it.

Seeing how the demobrats have a small edge in the electorate, and that Leftist Talk Radio would fade into oblivion if it didn't have a rich uncle, I'd say it was their own fault. Does this indicate the rednecks are dominating?

I'm glad to see the educated, urban leftists failing in their own backyard.

318 Cygnus  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:56:54am

re: #156 MandyManners

Engrish. Engrish.

Engrish. Engrish.

319 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:57:16am

re: #246 princetrumpet

Yes, he was successful at getting us attacked 8 times and fellated in the Oval office. He was successful at getting taxes raised. He was successful at shooting a camel in the ass with an expensive missile. He was successful at caring so much about opinion that he wimped out on virtually everything that was of any serious value to us as a country. He was successful at getting impeached.

Yes, he was successful.

Possibly you should read the thread my quote was responding to.
It seems we are in agreement that President Clinton was not successful and that getting elected twice is not a complete definition of success.

320 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:57:33am

re: #251 Lively

I'm trying to eat lunch here.

/Well then I guess you'll take the turd sandwich. Would you like a pickle wedge with it? : )

321 alegrias  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:57:36am

re: #288 Nevergiveup

Well lets be honest, the fact that Caen was still in German hands is all Monty's fault.

* * *
Any Democrat & Keith Olberdumm can tell you it was Pres. Bush's fault D-Day cost lives for oil.

322 Paul Atreides  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:58:02am
Because of the Iraq war? Tell me Keith, what's the best way to deal with millions of fanatics who want to kill us?

Are you referring to terrorist who want to kill infidels or liberals who want to kill infidels?

;-)

323 neverquit  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:58:15am

Just sent an email to MSNBC advising them that they have lost me as a viewer/website visitor and that I will not be purchasing goods and services from MSNBC's advertisers.

I blamed the current divisiveness within American Culture today on slanted and sensational news reporting within the Main Stream Media.

I informed MSNBC that I am disgusted with their lack of objectivity and support of sensationalism in the name of profits as opposed to accurate news reporting for the common good of all Americans. Shameful.

Won't do any good, but it sure felt good!

324 Dad O' Blondes  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:58:27am

re: #312 drewberto

yell at them! LOL

HA!

Toss Olbermann out of a plane over Tehran and arm him with a megaphone.

Game over. Decisive victory for the USA.

.

325 David Simon  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:58:34am

re: #316 bosforus

You seemed like you would be. 5 seconds of internet research freaks some people out.

As would an ass-whooping blitzkrieg. I think Keith may very well be a masochist.

326 Kenneth  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:58:35am

By the way Keith,

I am very interested to hear your views on Obama with respect to the following issues:

1. His adoration of Marxist professors during his college years (see Dreams of My Father)
2. His use of the openly racist phrase "typical white person".
3. Belonging to Rev. Wright's church for 20 years, and saying nothing about the outrageous views expressed there by Rev. Wright & others.
4. When Wrights views finally became widely known, Obama's reaction to the Rev. Wright's outrageous statements: first, to deny he ever heard them, secondly to defend them (his Philidelphea speech), and finally to denounce Wright.
5. Obama's long term friendship with Weatherman bomber William Ayers
6. Obama's friendship with several supporters of Palestinian terrorists
7. Obama's pledge to meet with the leaders of Iran & Syria "without preconditions".
8. Obama's flimsy denial of his Muslim birth & upbringing
9. Obama's consistently left-wing voting record in the Senate
10. The endorsement of Obama from the leadership of the terrorist organization Hamas.

Please take your time and answer them fully. I encourage you to do further research if you are unfamiliar with any of the issues behind the points I listed above.

327 debutaunt  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:59:16am

re: #152 Nevergiveup

English! English!

Words - what in heck could they mean?

328 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:59:20am

re: #293 keithgabryelski

I was camping with my son for 3 months.

Don't do illegal drugs. Uninterested in them. You seem fixated on them, though.

No, it's just I know a greaseball when I see one.

329 redheadredstate  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:59:58am

# 318

My daughter and I love Engrish. She is absolutely obsessed with Japanese culture right now. I'll bet she would change her tune if she had to live in the shoeboxes they have to over there.

330 bosforus  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:00:27am

re: #325 David Simon

As would an ass-whooping blitzkrieg. I think Keith may very well be a masochist.

LOL

331 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:00:55am

re: #304 David Simon

Because of the Iraq war? Tell me Keith, what's the best way to deal with millions of fanatics who want to kill us?

What did Iraq have to do with "millions of fanatics who want to kill us" in any serious way?

332 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:01:56am

re: #325 David Simon

As would an ass-whooping blitzkrieg. I think Keith may very well be a masochist.

I don't know that I agree with that. I believe Keith to be a truth seeker. I think he ran into the liberals first and they nearly spoiled his mind. Give him time, could take years, but I see a convert in the making.

333 tommygum  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:03:11am

re: #212 Morganfrost

Dobermans on Olbermann! LOL.

334 markie  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:03:11am

re: #323 neverquit

Ought to send that to NBC as well.

335 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:04:14am

re: #325 David Simon

As would an ass-whooping blitzkrieg. I think Keith may very well be a masochist.

I don't consider being called names an "ass-whooping".

When someone presents an honest argument to a simple opinion I posted then we can consider whether someone is getting their ass kicked or not.

336 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:04:23am

re: #323 neverquit

Just sent an email to MSNBC advising them that they have lost me as a viewer/website visitor and that I will not be purchasing goods and services from MSNBC's advertisers.

I blamed the current divisiveness within American Culture today on slanted and sensational news reporting within the Main Stream Media.

I informed MSNBC that I am disgusted with their lack of objectivity and support of sensationalism in the name of profits as opposed to accurate news reporting for the common good of all Americans. Shameful.

Won't do any good, but it sure felt good!


Don't be too sure. You boycotting MSNBC just cost them 10% of their audience.

337 David Simon  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:04:39am

re: #331 keithgabryelski

What did Iraq have to do with "millions of fanatics who want to kill us" in any serious way?

Ever hear of Abu Abbas? How about Abu Nidal? Salman Pak?

338 tommygum  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:05:32am

re: #218 buzzsawmonkey

How much do you have to raise to win the bicycle or the BB gun?

"You'll shoot your eye out, kid!".

339 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:05:35am

re: #328 JammieWearingFool

No, it's just I know a greaseball when I see one.

is that really all you got? Name-calling? you want that on your resume?

340 David Simon  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:05:35am

re: #335 keithgabryelski

I don't consider being called names an "ass-whooping".

When someone presents an honest argument to a simple opinion I posted then we can consider whether someone is getting their ass kicked or not.

Lots of posters have asked you serious questions. Why aren't you answering them?

341 Kenneth  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:05:48am

re: #304 David Simon

Because of the Iraq war? Tell me Keith, what's the best way to deal with millions of fanatics who want to kill us?

So far, I think Keith wants to help elect their favorite candidate, Obama. He already has the endorsements of Hamas, Hezbollah, FARC, Hugo Chaves & the Iranian gov't.

342 jcm  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:05:49am

re: #326 Kenneth

Yes we can!
No thought required.

343 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:06:04am

re: #331 keithgabryelski

What did Iraq have to do with "millions of fanatics who want to kill us" in any serious way?

You might try these two pages (sorry they're not in one document).
Page 1
Page 2

344 realwest  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:06:10am

re: #179 Rancher Whoa! Excellent catch there Rancher! Thank you!

345 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:06:15am

re: #326 Kenneth

By the way Keith,

I am very interested to hear your views on Obama with respect to the following issues:

[issues - see #326]

Please take your time and answer them fully. I encourage you to do further research if you are unfamiliar with any of the issues behind the points I listed above.

In addition to that, I would like to hear your views on Obama with respect to:

Obama's relationship with and endorcement by Mayor Richard M. Daley of Chicago, one of the most corrupt city mayors in the US.
Obama's relationship with Emil Jones, president of the Illinois Senate. Obama was Jones's go-fer for years.
Obama's role in the Cook County Democratic Organization, and his role in the Cook County/Illinois Combine.
Obama's relationship with and endorcement by Governor Rod Blagojevich, who is under federal scutiny for pay-to-play politics.
Obama's relationship with Tony Rezko, who is on trial at this moment for fraud, as well as Rezko's and Obama's relationship with Nadhmi Auchi.

I, like Kenneth, encourage you to do further research on the subject. Google is your friend here.

346 markie  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:06:19am

re: #304 David Simon

If we really intended on neutralizing such fanatics, we'd have to take on much of Asia. Supposedly we merely took on the head of the beast. If there is such a thing.

347 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:06:24am

re: #331 keithgabryelski

What did Iraq have to do with "millions of fanatics who want to kill us" in any serious way?

I see you agree there are millions of them. We're in Iraq because yes, there are millions of them, absolutely millions of them who'd sooner see you, your family, your nation destroyed, then ruled by Sharia. We're in Iraq to prevent this. Period.

348 chukardog  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:06:28am

Keith, Obama's numerous ties to Terrorists both foreign and domestic don't bother you? Obama's 20 year love affair with an EX Muslim turned pseudo Christian Pastor that holds the likes of Louis Farakahn in high regard makes him worthy of fund raising? The same pastor that meets with America's sworn enemies? ( Castro and Kahdaffi). People on Obama's campaign staff keep turning up with ties to terrorist organization like Hamas. Is this the kind of person that deserves the be the leader of the free world? Really? I would love to hear the logic

349 Iron Fist  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:06:51am

re: #155 keithgabryelski,

We're winning a war. We'd have already won, but some people in the United States keep encouraging the Jihadis by giving them hope that we will choose to lose, give up, and go home.

Answer me something. What is it about Saddam Hussein that you so liked that you want to see him still in power in the Middle East?

350 debutaunt  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:08:57am

re: #208 princetrumpet

By the way, keithg

By the way... notice he spelled Barack wrong on the site. It says "Bartack" Obama. I kinda like that... A small pushpin that holds together a place for drunks to gather.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHA

351 badsysop  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:08:58am

re: #341 Kenneth

re: #304 David Simon


So far, I think Keith wants to help elect their favorite candidate, Obama. He already has the endorsements of Hamas, Hezbollah, FARC, Hugo Chaves & the Iranian gov't.

Don't forget the nation of Islam ... oh and this guy:

a href="

target="_blank">Obama Support Shot After Robbery

352 Kenneth  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:09:21am

re: #337 David Simon

Ever hear of Abu Abbas? How about Abu Nidal? Salman Pak?

..Ansar al Islam, Ramzi Yousef, Musab Yasin, Abdul Rahman Yasin, Samir al-Ani,... oh and Saddam Hussein.

353 David Simon  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:09:26am

re: #341 Kenneth

re: #304 David Simon


So far, I think Keith wants to help elect their favorite candidate, Obama. He already has the endorsements of Hamas, Hezbollah, FARC, Hugo Chaves & the Iranian gov't.

Has he answered any of your questions yet?

354 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:09:43am

re: #349 Iron Fist

,

We're winning a war. We'd have already won, but some people in the United States keep encouraging the Jihadis by giving them hope that we will choose to lose, give up, and go home.

Answer me something. What is it about Saddam Hussein that you so liked that you want to see him still in power in the Middle East?

Remember, Obama's friends Alamassarae and Auchi were Saddam's henchman and bankroller, respectively. Obama's friends Ata and Rezko worked with them.

355 Roger  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:09:56am

re: #331 keithgabryelski

What did Iraq have to do with "millions of fanatics who want to kill us" in any serious way?

Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act. From whom do you think Clinton thought the Iraqis need to be liberated?

356 Kenneth  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:11:02am

re: #335 keithgabryelski

Keith, I believe I have presented reasonable arguments to your points, without resort to insults. You have ignored every one of my posts. Instead you prefer to respond to the sniping. The shoe is on your foot...

357 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:11:05am
358 Maine's Michael  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:11:20am

I guess Olbermann won't be voting Republican, this time around . . .

359 tommygum  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:11:47am

re: #236 Bob in Breckenridge

Bugliosi also said Algore should have been President in 2000, and that the SCOTUS erred in their 7-2 smackdown of the FL. Supreme Court, in favor of GWB. What arrogance. He's nothing more than a left-wing hack has-been.

What the hell has Bugliosi done since the Manson family trial nearly 4 decades ago?

I thought he died 4 decades ago.

360 Iron Fist  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:12:29am

re: #216 jcm,

All we are saying, is
Give WAR a chance.

361 HDrepub  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:13:28am

re: #307 realwest

Nobody, including Bugliosi bothered to point out that if Al Gore had won his HOME State of Tennessee,

Home State? He just sleeps here occasionally, to stay on the property tax rolls and claim to be from Tennessee.
/sarcasm dripping

362 chingachgook  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:14:06am

Well, I like Olbermann. At least half the time I agree with him. My problem with him and a few other lib's is that they take an "all or nothing" point of view. (truth is somewhere in the middle of things)

When he goes off on Bush is when he is at his best. Bush is a fool pure and simple. There was a short window of opportunity when our tanks were rolling in Baghdad and we were seeing the "Press" report from some Humvee out in the dunes when they could have surprised us all. The tanks could have headed toward Tehran. It's what any great General would have done and the world expected it. We could have taken the Middle East that summer and made history. We also could have put Osama Bin Ladens head on a spike to mark our victory.

Bush let a victory slip between his fingers. Had he been just a bit more like Olbermann (some brain power) he could have been ranked with an Alexander or a Caesar or a Patton. With Iran and Iraq both wiped out within a year Syria and the Muslim Brotherhood States would have been silenced. Instead we are losing trillions of dollars we don't have and are being bought up and sold out by China, the Dutch, and the Saudi's.

So screw Bush and Cheney. America will never be great again with dolts like them selling us out.

363 Roger  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:15:42am

re: #356 Kenneth

Keith, I believe I have presented reasonable arguments to your points, without resort to insults. You have ignored every one of my posts. Instead you prefer to respond to the sniping. The shoe is on your foot...

I second the motion.

364 Kenneth  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:16:11am

Keith,

You can add the name Ahmed Hikmat Shakir to your homework too.

365 Charles  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:16:15am

Wow. Keith Olbermann fans at LGF. Who knew?

366 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:16:24am

re: #340 David Simon

Lots of posters have asked you serious questions. Why aren't you answering them?

I've attempted to address the ones associated with original post. I'm not your monkey, here to answer questions about people your think I'm associated with or think I talk for.

Someone brought up that I support Obama. I do, but this thread is not about that. If I want to spend 24 hours typing in my replies about why I support Obama, I would post a message in one of the "Obama = Hate" threads.

It seems senseless to try to convert anyone to my position on Obama, so I see little need to argue the points, here.

Yes, I read the anti-Obama posts. Some I disagree with, some I agree with, some I don't understand, some require me to read more (read; I don't yet understand).

367 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:16:38am

re: #362 chingachgook

Well, I like Olbermann. At least half the time I agree with him. My problem with him and a few other lib's is that they take an "all or nothing" point of view. (truth is somewhere in the middle of things)

When he goes off on Bush is when he is at his best. Bush is a fool pure and simple. There was a short window of opportunity when our tanks were rolling in Baghdad and we were seeing the "Press" report from some Humvee out in the dunes when they could have surprised us all. The tanks could have headed toward Tehran. It's what any great General would have done and the world expected it. We could have taken the Middle East that summer and made history. We also could have put Osama Bin Ladens head on a spike to mark our victory.

Bush let a victory slip between his fingers. Had he been just a bit more like Olbermann (some brain power) he could have been ranked with an Alexander or a Caesar or a Patton. With Iran and Iraq both wiped out within a year Syria and the Muslim Brotherhood States would have been silenced. Instead we are losing trillions of dollars we don't have and are being bought up and sold out by China, the Dutch, and the Saudi's.

So screw Bush and Cheney. America will never be great again with dolts like them selling us out.

You are so off base. Where shall we start?

368 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:16:43am

re: #339 keithgabryelski

is that really all you got? Name-calling? you want that on your resume?

I don't consider an apt description of your photo to be namecalling.

What is it with you lefties? You're even afraid to be called liberals.

369 tommygum  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:17:01am

re: #253 VegasRick

Keith's mommy must have told him to come out of the basement and take a shower.

Bag of Cheetos and an orange dick.

370 realwest  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:17:09am

re: #361 HDrepub
Sorry, no insult intended, but ya know he does sleep in a HUGE mansion in your state, pays for carbon credits to offset the tremendous amount of energy needed to run that mansion to a corporation of which he is the sole shareholder and Chairman of the board!
Y'all are gonna have to do better if you want to distance yourself from Gore.
Down here in North Carolina, we distance ourselves from former Senator Edwards by pointing out that he was born in SOUTH Carolina! LOL!

371 David Simon  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:17:22am

re: #346 markie

If we really intended on neutralizing such fanatics, we'd have to take on much of Asia. Supposedly we merely took on the head of the beast. If there is such a thing.

No, we took on unfriendly regimes and replaced them with friendly ones who will hopefully crush the terrorists in their midst. We sent a warning to other heads of state: control your beasts or we'll replace you.

While I'm not exactly thrilled with our many nominal allies in the region, the only countries that are in desparate need of being "taken on" are Iran and Syria.

372 zmdavid  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:17:51am

re: #362 chingachgook

Well, I like Olbermann. At least half the time I agree with him. My problem with him and a few other lib's is that they take an "all or nothing" point of view. (truth is somewhere in the middle of things)


If I say 2 + 2 = 5 and you say 2 + 2 = 4, then 2 + 2 = 4.5 ?

373 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:18:20am

re: #365 Charles

Wow. Keith Olbermann fans at LGF. Who knew?

chingachgook's a real fan. Wow!

374 realwest  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:18:34am

re: #365 Charles
Fans? Gee, I've read almost two thirds of this thread and have only seen one so far! LOL!

375 Kenneth  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:18:40am

re: #366 keithgabryelski

I also addressed your original post which related to this thread. You have ignored that as well. Instead of whining about insults or explaining why you can't defend your opinions, why don't you address the arguments we have put to you?

376 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:19:02am

re: #356 Kenneth

Keith, I believe I have presented reasonable arguments to your points, without resort to insults. You have ignored every one of my posts. Instead you prefer to respond to the sniping. The shoe is on your foot...

sorry, i've tried to read every post -- i'm looking back at yours, specifically, now.

377 jcm  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:19:05am

re: #361 HDrepub

Home State? He just sleeps here occasionally, to stay on the property tax rolls and claim to be from Tennessee.
/sarcasm dripping

Home State?
He's from the Willard.

378 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:19:17am

re: #364 Kenneth

Keith,

You can add the name Ahmed Hikmat Shakir to your homework too.

Ken, I doubt we'll see any answers to our comments.

379 adragonknowsbest  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:20:20am

re: #326 Kenneth

There should be a # 11 too. I never liked Obama's platforms before but when he made those comments when he thought he was behind closed doors in SF I began to despise his character too. The comments I'm referring to are the ones you all know so well about how Pennsylvanians are bitter and that they cling to guns and the Bible.

Now Obama is a "supposed" Christian. Obviously the quality of his church has been exposed. But how can any Christian belittle the Bible and associate it with bitter people. This further proved to me that he is a hypocrite and not who he says he is at all. Twenty years of being a Christian and he would respect the Word. He failed to do so, so he gets no respect from me. Quite frankly the man is spiritually corrupt, a foolish politician and potentially the worst president of all time. And when I speak of that man I must always mention that he bowled a 37! Hahahahaa my grandmother could school you Obama!

380 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:20:35am

re: #367 unrealizedviewpoint

I see you're some genius. You wanted to invade, actually invade Iran, while simultaneously Invading Iraq?

381 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:21:03am

re: #380 unrealizedviewpoint

I see you're some genius. You wanted to invade, actually invade Iran, while simultaneously Invading Iraq?

hit wrong button. jeez.

382 brainwizard73  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:21:19am

Follow this analogy:

Keith Olbermann is to President Obama as Tony Snow is to President Bush.

Hmm. Something not quite right about that, is there?

Wouldn't you LOVE to see K.O. as W.H. press secretary?

383 realwest  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:21:19am

re: #374 realwest Whoops, sorry Charles, just ran into chingachgook, so there is more than one of them out here. Sonofagun!

384 Cygnus  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:21:36am

re: #174 zombie

Weak, weak, weak.

The conveyor belt to the troll-dicing machine has some real sorry specimens today.

We need gamier buttocks!

Try some meat tenderizer.

385 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:22:03am

re: #266 Kenneth

Then you would also condemn Presidents Washington, Lincoln, Wilson, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr., & Clinton for the same reasons? Because soldiers died defending America during their presidencies?

You consider the Iraq war (the escalation that occurred in 2001) to be in defense of America. I don't consider it such.

The rest of your posts were about my support of Obama (did I miss others?).

386 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:22:21am

re: #362 chingachgook

I see you're some genius. You wanted to invade, actually invade Iran, while simultaneously Invading Iraq?

387 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:22:35am

re: #383 realwest

Whoops, sorry Charles, just ran into chingachgook, so there is more than one of them out here. Sonofagun!

You just never know what kind of strange people you might come across.

388 jcm  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:22:47am

Wow!

We got 'em coming out of the wood work this morning.

BTWre: #362 I think you should get the stick just for your nic.

389 badsysop  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:23:02am

re: #362 chingachgook

Well, I like Olbermann.

Just the sound of that makes me shudder... Olbermann is an arrogant, self-richeous prick whom I can't stand to listen to on any program and in any format.

I do believe he is thought of as "highly intelligent" by liberals simply because he string together phrases of large words. In reality, he's a fraud.

I'd really like to know how much he believes the crap he shovels and how much he's saying it just to earn a paycheck.

390 Roger  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:23:58am

re: #362 chingachgook

truth is somewhere in the middle of things

Question: is the following true?

mean=median

391 chukardog  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:24:22am
I also addressed your original post which related to this thread. You have ignored that as well. Instead of whining about insults or explaining why you can't defend your opinions, why don't you address the arguments we have put to you?

Um because its impossible.....

392 Maine's Michael  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:24:28am

re: #349 Iron Fist

,

We're winning a war. We'd have already won, but some people in the United States keep encouraging the Jihadis by giving them hope that we will choose to lose, give up, and go home.

Answer me something. What is it about Saddam Hussein that you so liked that you want to see him still in power in the Middle East?

It's not they they liked Saddam. They liked the fact that he was 'over there', and therefore only causing damage to his own people, people who Olbermann and his likes don't particularly care about.

Truth is, I don;t particularly care about them either. Stuff like this doesn't help:

Iraq seeks ban on Israeli medical help

I think the 'War on Terror' was poorly named, and its rationales poorly or fraudulently expressed to the American public. The Iraq action was pretty much fought for, and in a style tailored to, Saudi wishes. While it was likely neccessary to defend Saudi Arabia from the depredations of Saddam, and ensure safe shipping on the Gulf, it may not have been neccessary to fight the war with both eyes on the Arab Street onstead of the America Street, and it would have been OK to explain to the American people that it was neccessary to safeguard our oil supply. It also would have made sense to have the Gulf Oil Exporters defray the financial costs of the war.

Olberman is an idiot, of course, But hat does not mean that Bush hasn't managed this thing idiotically as well.

393 Kenneth  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:24:29am

#362 chingachgook

Bush is a fool pure and simple. There was a short window of opportunity when our tanks were rolling in Baghdad and we were seeing the "Press" report from some Humvee out in the dunes when they could have surprised us all. The tanks could have headed toward Tehran. It's what any great General would have done...

Bush let a victory slip between his fingers. Had he been just a bit more like Olbermann (some brain power) he could have been ranked with an Alexander or a Caesar or a Patton.

Olberman? Brain power? Oh please! And when you get a break form your "great Generaling" please explain how the US could have simultaneously successfully invaded Iraq, Syria & Iran with the same small army they had in 2003.

394 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:25:07am

re: #385 keithgabryelski

You consider the Iraq war (the escalation that occurred in 2001) to be in defense of America. I don't consider it such.

The rest of your posts were about my support of Obama (did I miss others?).

I suggest you go back and review your history. We did not deal with Iraq (following the UN resolutions) until 2003.

Now, I also request you Google "Auchi", "Rezko", and "Obama" together and see what you find.

395 incanus  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:25:25am

re: #362 chingachgook

Well, I like Olbermann. At least half the time I agree with him. My problem with him and a few other lib's is that they take an "all or nothing" point of view. (truth is somewhere in the middle of things)

When he goes off on Bush is when he is at his best. Bush is a fool pure and simple. There was a short window of opportunity when our tanks were rolling in Baghdad and we were seeing the "Press" report from some Humvee out in the dunes when they could have surprised us all. The tanks could have headed toward Tehran. It's what any great General would have done and the world expected it. We could have taken the Middle East that summer and made history. We also could have put Osama Bin Ladens head on a spike to mark our victory.

Bush let a victory slip between his fingers. Had he been just a bit more like Olbermann (some brain power) he could have been ranked with an Alexander or a Caesar or a Patton. With Iran and Iraq both wiped out within a year Syria and the Muslim Brotherhood States would have been silenced. Instead we are losing trillions of dollars we don't have and are being bought up and sold out by China, the Dutch, and the Saudi's.

So screw Bush and Cheney. America will never be great again with dolts like them selling us out.

Riiiiiiight, I saw that same show where Olbermann said we should've smashed Iran! He had that document that proved Osama was in Tehran that summer, so obviously GW screwed that one up. You are an astute observer.

396 MandyManners  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:25:40am

re: #362 chingachgook

Fuck you.

397 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:25:46am

re: #366 keithgabryelski

I'm not your monkey

Rotating Title Nominee.

398 realwest  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:25:56am

re: #387 JammieWearingFool Yep. Just wish I could read, think and type faster to keep up! LOL!

399 zmdavid  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:26:14am

re: #388 jcm
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Characters
Magua (ma-gwah)– the villain of the piece; the chief driven from his tribe for drunkenness and later whipped by the British Army (also for drunkenness), for which he blames Colonel Munro. Also known as "Sly Fox."
Chingachgook – last chief of the Mohican tribe; escort to the traveling Munro sisters, father to Uncas
Uncas – second-to-last of the Mohican tribe; escort to the traveling Munro sisters.
Nathaniel "Natty" Bumppo, known as "Hawkeye" – the "American hero" and escort to the Munro sisters, long-time friend of Chingachgook
400 bulwrk  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:26:32am

re: #362 chingachgook

The tanks could have headed toward Tehran. It's what any great General would have done and the world expected it. We could have taken the Middle East that summer and made history. We also could have put Osama Bin Ladens head on a spike to mark our victory.

Thats delusional I'd like to know which great generals you would be thinking of

401 ArmyWife  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:26:33am

re: #170 keithgabryelski

I don't need to speak for Mandy, she does a fine job on her own, however, I DO have a rebuttal, Mr. Gabryelski -

My husband is active duty. He has served 3 tours in this conflict. Three. Three times. Guess what? He'd go back tomorrow if he were asked. Why? Because he saw first hand the positive difference we are making there. You don't know about this because screwballs like Keith Olbermann don't want you to know - it goes against their agenda. You, my friend, have fallen hook, line and sinker for this. Though you libs like to taut yourselves as independent thinkers going against "the man", the truth is you couldn't think for yourselves if we gave you all the socialized healthcare you can stand in return.

I have sacrificed a lot in my marriage because my husband is a hero. I wish I didn't have to share THAT with you and all the others like you who lambast him for doing his job, but he is a better person than me and will continue to fight on so that you can have your silly little I Love Barack page.

402 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:26:33am
403 incanus  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:27:19am

re: #372 zmdavid

If I say 2 + 2 = 5 and you say 2 + 2 = 4, then 2 + 2 = 4.5 ?

It's so hard to speak in terms of absolutes. Truth is relative!

/my head hurts

404 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:27:22am

re: #395 incanus

Riiiiiiight, I saw that same show where Olbermann said we should've smashed Iran! He had that document that proved Osama was in Tehran that summer, so obviously GW screwed that one up. You are an astute observer.

tag missing?

405 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:28:04am
406 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:28:20am

re: #404 unrealizedviewpoint

When you type "Right" with seven i's, I think the sarcasm is implicit.

407 nyc redneck  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:28:25am

re: #253 VegasRick

Keith's mommy must have told him to come out of the basement and take a shower.

mark levin has so much dirt on this pervert. crazy bizarre stuff that quite a few women have sent him abt. this scumbag. he is really fcked up.

408 MandyManners  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:28:58am

re: #407 nyc redneck

mark levin has so much dirt on this pervert. crazy bizarre stuff that quite a few women have sent him abt. this scumbag. he is really fcked up.

What?

409 David Simon  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:29:27am

re: #385 keithgabryelski

You consider the Iraq war (the escalation that occurred in 2001) to be in defense of America. I don't consider it such.

Just out of curiousity, was Operation Torch in defense of America?

410 Charles  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:29:29am

I always love it when lefties use the "we should have invaded Iran/Pakistan/Saudi Arabia/etc." line of argument.

As if they wouldn't scream bloody murder if it actually happened.

411 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:29:42am

re: #389 badsysop

Just the sound of that makes me shudder... Olbermann is an arrogant, self-richeous prick whom I can't stand to listen to on any program and in any format.

I do believe he is thought of as "highly intelligent" by liberals simply because he string together phrases of large words. In reality, he's a fraud.

I'd really like to know how much he believes the crap he shovels and how much he's saying it just to earn a paycheck.

I had a series of long-running email slapfights a couple years back with Olberdunce. Didn't take much for him to sink into the gutter. A couple of well-place jabs and he'd freak out, using the most vile language, tell me to go [deleted] my mother, kill myself, etc.

It actually made the news. He claimed I was harassing him and he just snapped from all the abuse I heaped on him. Was most amusing.

The day he came completely unglued was when Zarqawi got whacked. I taunted him about that and he just lost it.

412 jcm  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:29:56am

re: #385 keithgabryelski

You consider the Iraq war (the escalation that occurred in 2001) to be in defense of America. I don't consider it such.

The rest of your posts were about my support of Obama (did I miss others?).

Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq 23 points on the justification for going to Iraq. Voted on and approved by the Congress of the United States.

That's why we went.

413 incanus  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:30:13am

re: #404 unrealizedviewpoint

tag missing?

I was hoping the "Riiiiiiight" would serve as a tag, but yes, mea culpa.

414 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:30:54am

re: #401 ArmyWife

Excellent post!

Thank you, and thank your husband from all here at LGF for his service.

415 realwest  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:30:55am

re: #400 bulwrk Hey ya know the guy's not all bad - not much of a military stragtegist - but at least he's in favor of regime change in Iran and Syria!

416 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:31:11am

re: #368 JammieWearingFool

I don't consider an apt description of your photo to be namecalling.

What is it with you lefties? You're even afraid to be called liberals.

post #142 -- you call me a schmuck

You seem to be very liberal with your terms.

I don't consider being called a liberal a bad word, neither do I consider the word conservative.

Ridicule is different, though.

417 Cygnus  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:31:32am

re: #273 OldLineTexan

So that would be the Turd Sandwich, then. Would you like fries flies with that? A nice arrugala salad, perhaps?

hahaha

418 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:31:52am

re: #394 Honorary Yooper

I suggest you go back and review your history. We did not deal with Iraq (following the UN resolutions) until 2003.

Now, I also request you Google "Auchi", "Rezko", and "Obama" together and see what you find.

yeah, i typed that wrong. my bad.

419 David Simon  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:31:56am

re: #410 Charles

I always love it when lefties use the "we should have invaded Iran/Pakistan/Saudi Arabia/etc." line of argument.

As if they wouldn't scream bloody murder if it actually happened.

lol, so true.

420 cblesz  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:31:57am

re: #375 Kenneth

I also addressed your original post which related to this thread. You have ignored that as well. Instead of whining about insults or explaining why you can't defend your opinions, why don't you address the arguments we have put to you?


Because he can't. He only likes Obama because he is for change, speaks well, doesn't wear a tie (or flagpin) and claps when he is introduced. Seriously, I would bet 65% of his supporters know NOTHING about him and cannot give you one argument of substance why they are voting for him. The American electorate is a joke.

Obama has gathered a mass following of young voters. Those would be the 18-22 year olds that are being brainwashed by our communist professors in this country and have not held a job, paid taxes, raised a family or paid a mortgage. They have no idea what they are voting for. It is pathetic that the course of this country will be determined by a bunch of idiotic kids.

421 HDrepub  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:32:01am

re: #404 unrealizedviewpoint

re: #395 incanus

Riiiiiiight, I saw that same show where Olbermann said we should've smashed Iran! He had that document that proved Osama was in Tehran that summer, so obviously GW screwed that one up. You are an astute observer.

tag missing?


Smash Iran, a country the size of Alaska with a mountainous rim surrounding the center of the country? Tanks deep into Iran from Iraq across mountain ranges? The logistics alone of such an undertaking would take months of planning, and never mind all the months of screaming about widening the war in the ME before it would even start. Surely you don't buy that POS.

422 Kenneth  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:32:03am

re: #385 keithgabryelski

Millions of Americans and most members of congress believed invading Iraq was in the interest of defending America. The central reasons for invading, by the way, in case you missed them, were:

1. To prevent Saddam from providing terrorists such as Al Qaeda, but not only Al Qaeda, weapons of mass destruction
2. To impress upon the other states of the Middle East, especially the "Axis of Evil" that the price of supporting terrorists would be too high
3. To bring direct pressure to bear upon the Iranian regime.
4. To establish a liberal democracy among the despotism of the Middle East.

All 4 points seem to me to be in the US interest & security. If you disagree, please consider the alternative we faced in 2003, and explain how an Iraq still ruled by Saddam today would be better for US security.

423 Kenneth  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:33:27am

re: #401 ArmyWife

God bless you & your husband!

424 gymnast  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:34:00am

re: #366 keithgabryelski

How about a serious discussion on the subject of ornithology? Based on your comments I think you would be a whiz on the subject, at least in respect to the applied aspects of Avian identification.

425 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:34:06am

re: #410 Charles

I always love it when lefties use the "we should have invaded Iran/Pakistan/Saudi Arabia/etc." line of argument.

As if they wouldn't scream bloody murder if it actually happened.

C'mon, a slight detour into Iran and they would've fallen in a weekend. Even General Olbermann could tell you that.

/

426 tommygum[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:34:13am
427 alegrias  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:34:13am

re: #410 Charles

I always love it when lefties use the "we should have invaded Iran/Pakistan/Saudi Arabia/etc." line of argument.

As if they wouldn't scream bloody murder if it actually happened.

* * *
Obama DID say he'd invade Pakistan, or blast it to bits, during one Dem debate.

Hahahahaha, as if. PSYCH!

428 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:34:31am

re: #406 OldLineTexan

When you type "Right" with seven i's, I think the sarcasm is implicit.

I would'a used tag. Some dolts like me might not get it.

429 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:34:56am

re: #409 David Simon

Just out of curiousity, was Operation Torch in defense of America?

seems like it was.

430 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:35:09am

re: #416 keithgabryelski

post #142 -- you call me a schmuck

You seem to be very liberal with your terms.

I don't consider being called a liberal a bad word, neither do I consider the word conservative.

Ridicule is different, though.

Obviously it gets to you or you wouldn't waste time responding to me rather than all the others who have pertinent questions for you that you refuse to answer.

431 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:35:14am
432 joncelli  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:35:50am

re: #110 keithgabryelski

I had to repeat the LGF prayer several times to keep from responding to this.

433 hooligan  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:36:10am

re: #182 keithgabryelski

I prefer to donate to causes that preserve my tax deductions rather than render them extinct.

434 HDrepub  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:37:24am

re: #428 unrealizedviewpoint

And my post after yours was in no way a reflection on yours, I just had to add my IMHO to the thread.

435 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:38:03am

I missed another one. 426 what were you?

436 alegrias  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:39:00am

re: #420 cblesz

* * *
The American electorate is not a joke--we elected NOT to elect Al Gore nor John Kerry.

It's only the young, weak & internationalists and celebrity-minded who heart the Cook Country Crony leftists.

437 Roger  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:39:01am

re: #428 unrealizedviewpoint

I would'a used tag. Some dolts like me might not get it.

Yet high quality/successful sarcasm needs no tag at all.

438 Kenneth  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:39:07am

re: #410 Charles

I always love it when lefties use the "we should have invaded Iran/Pakistan/Saudi Arabia/etc." line of argument.

As if they wouldn't scream bloody murder if it actually happened.

It was Osama's intention to draw the US into invading Saudi Arabia. He said so in one of his early speeches. He expected this would rally the entire Muslim world against America and to him. But that drooling fool Bush failed to fall for Al Qaeda's sucker punch and instead pulled the US troops out of Saudi Arabia and into Iraq.

Geo-political jujitsu genius, George!

439 ArmyWife  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:39:28am

Thanks to all - I don't deserve it, but my husband and those just like him do. I also don't expect any less from the Lizard community, I know you appreciate him.

Curiously, Mr. D seems to be silent. Maybe that is just a nuanced response that I don't get.

440 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:39:58am

re: #434 HDrepub

And my post after yours was in no way a reflection on yours, I just had to add my IMHO to the thread.

I read your post and in no way thought you were addressing me. Others may have. But that's them. Cheers.

441 incanus  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:40:44am

re: #421 HDrepub

Smash Iran, a country the size of Alaska with a mountainous rim surrounding the center of the country? Tanks deep into Iran from Iraq across mountain ranges? The logistics alone of such an undertaking would take months of planning, and never mind all the months of screaming about widening the war in the ME before it would even start. Surely you don't buy that POS.

Of course I don't. Read the post I was responding to; the poster claimed that Bush was an idiot for not taking out Iran and putting Osama's head on a pike. Without taking into account all of your apt points, I wasn't aware that anyone knew Osama was in Tehran waiting to get, uh, piked.

I don't mind trolls but when they come up with crazy shit like "a great general (like Olbermann, implied) would have invaded Iran and Bush didn't, so he sucks (even though he isn't a general at all!)" I just want to bang my head against the desk.

442 Cygnus  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:40:49am

re: #283 BuddyG

Imagine if today's MSM wrote the headlines for 6-6-44:

Invasion a disaster - thousands killed on Normandy beaches

Minimal territority captured

Caen still in German hands

Don't forget the protest signs:
"Roosevelt lied - thousands died!"
"No oil for escargot!"

443 ArmyWife  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:40:57am

re: #439 ArmyWife

Thanks to all - I don't deserve it, but my husband and those just like him do. I also don't expect any less from the Lizard community, I know you appreciate him.

Curiously, Mr. D seems to be silent. Maybe that is just a nuanced response that I don't get.

That is Mr. G - sheesh

444 Roger  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:41:23am

re: #410 Charles

I always love it when lefties use the "we should have invaded Iran/Pakistan/Saudi Arabia/etc." line of argument.

As if they wouldn't scream bloody murder if it actually happened.

They should fly through it with rising elocution ending with an EAAaaaaarrrggghhhh!

445 Cygnus  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:41:27am

"No blood for escargot!"
PIMF!

446 David Simon  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:41:47am

re: #429 keithgabryelski

seems like it was.

Okay, so you're not totally against war. Next question, do you agree that the world would have been better off if France had annihilated Germany when Hitler violated the Treaty of Versailles by moving troops into the demilitarized Rhineland?

447 Kenneth  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:42:03am

re: #439 ArmyWife

You do so deserve our thanks! Military families sacrifice a lot when their loved ones are deployed. We appreciate your husband's outstanding service & your outstanding support to him.

448 HDrepub  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:42:20am

re: #441 incanus

My post after yours was in no way a reflection on yours, I just had to add my IMHO to the thread.

449 adragonknowsbest  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:42:31am

re: #420 cblesz

Graduating in May and I will vouch for this guy. The professors were always trying to assasinate Bush's character, or try to talk about things they knew nothing about like Plame/Wilson/Libby, even telling students that they should register on campus to vote..of course it was the Democrats who were doing this "get out the vote" event. The republicans didn't bother showing up I msut admit.

Luckily most of the kids today are too busy playing with their digital toys to pay much attention to anything anyway.

450 debutaunt  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:42:44am

re: #385 keithgabryelski

You consider the Iraq war (the escalation that occurred in 2001) to be in defense of America. I don't consider it such.

The rest of your posts were about my support of Obama (did I miss others?).

What the heck happened in 2001 to cause that?

451 incanus  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:42:47am

re: #437 Roger

Yet high quality/successful sarcasm needs no tag at all.

I need to work harder on my sarcasm then. Personally I always hope the avatar will help the reader, but ...

452 incanus  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:43:16am

re: #448 HDrepub

My post after yours was in no way a reflection on yours, I just had to add my IMHO to the thread.

Ok, np =)

453 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:43:55am

re: #428 unrealizedviewpoint

I would'a used tag. Some dolts like me might not get it.

re: #437 Roger

Yet high quality/successful sarcasm needs no tag at all.


That's why I use. It's a quality issue.

/

454 Kenneth  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:44:30am

re: #450 debutaunt

re: #385 keithgabryelski

You consider the Iraq war (the escalation that occurred in 2001) to be in defense of America. I don't consider it such.

What the heck happened in 2001 to cause that?

Good catch, debutant. The US invaded Iraq in 2003. What was the escalation in the Iraq war in 2001 to which Keith is referring?

455 HDrepub  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:45:44am

re: #452 incanus

re: #448 HDrepub

My post after yours was in no way a reflection on yours, I just had to add my IMHO to the thread.

Ok, np =)

I know, I should have picked a better spot to post. We are on the same page in history and that's what counts with my Lizard friends.

456 David Simon  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:46:31am

re: #454 Kenneth

re: #385 keithgabryelski

You consider the Iraq war (the escalation that occurred in 2001) to be in defense of America. I don't consider it such.


Good catch, debutant. The US invaded Iraq in 2003. What was the escalation in the Iraq war in 2001 to which Keith is referring?

I think he means that the Iraq war was an escalation of the war on terror that began in Afghanistan in 2001.

457 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:47:02am

re: #237 Pyrocles

My pseudo-conservative father watches Olbermann and Chris Matthews all the time, and agrees with them on everything. He used to a be small business owner, and was very Republican; he hated Clinton... Now after working for American Axle for years and being recently laid-off, he absolutely HATES Republicans. You should see how his face gets all flushed and red when he's really getting into Olby's spews. He's always got MSNBC on when I visit.../sigh.

American Axle? Wow, the UAW has just about driven them off the cliff, eh?

458 incanus  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:48:24am

re: #456 David Simon

I think he means that the Iraq war was an escalation of the war on terror that began in Afghanistan in 2001.

I was thinking of another event in 2001 and was doing deep breathing exercises to deal with that being referred to as an "escalation". However, Keith (the LGF poster) says it was a mistake and meant to type 2003 so I'll take him at his word.

459 Kenneth  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:48:45am

re: #456 David Simon

If that's what he meant, that's not what his world say at all.

He is an ill informed & terribly confused man. I guess that explains his support for Obama.

460 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:50:07am
461 Peter Verkooijen  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:51:03am
I remember when talking this way about a President of the United States would guarantee losing advertisers.

The "left" doesn't consider GWB a legitimate President and they're working hard - and successfully I'm afraid - on mainstreaming this idea.

There's an HBO movie in the works that again makes the case Bush stole the 2000 election. The upcoming Oliver Stone Bush biopic will probably make the same point.

Facts be damned. It was 8 years ago. Younger generations, through the school system, mainstream media and popular culture, grow up with this idea that Bush, 9-11, Iraq and everything that happened since are all part of one big evil Republican, neocon, zionist conspiracy.

462 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:52:32am

re: #422 Kenneth

Millions of Americans and most members of congress believed invading Iraq was in the interest of defending America. The central reasons for invading, by the way, in case you missed them, were:

1. To prevent Saddam from providing terrorists such as Al Qaeda, but not only Al Qaeda, weapons of mass destruction
2. To impress upon the other states of the Middle East, especially the "Axis of Evil" that the price of supporting terrorists would be too high
3. To bring direct pressure to bear upon the Iranian regime.
4. To establish a liberal democracy among the despotism of the Middle East.

All 4 points seem to me to be in the US interest & security. If you disagree, please consider the alternative we faced in 2003, and explain how an Iraq still ruled by Saddam today would be better for US security.

It seems there was a lot of bad evidence against Iraq at the time. It seems there was also a lot of evidence that Iraq wasn't such a threat. The benefit did not outweigh the risk and it would seem there were enough advisers around to know this.

It would seem we could have focused our efforts in other directions for a better end.

#2 is slightly address by my comment about, was the cost worth the benefit but considering that our attention was de-focused from other nations who were actually trying to acquire WMDs it seems we choice of fronts was, at best, a failure.

#3 - has it helped? did we bring pressure against them or have they benefited?

#4 certainly a laudable goal.

You ask "consiider the options in 2003" and "what if saddam still existed today".

The options in 2003 were certainly tough. Hey, the president's job is tough. But he got it wrong and people (Americans) blame him for it. I think the blame is correctly placed. Again, I didn't think there was enough evidence for a war with Iraq. At the time it seemed like there was a lot of counter-claims that process that was in place was basically working.

and to "what if Saddam still existed" -- i have no idea, but it seems he had little ability to harm us or Israel.

463 debutaunt  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:54:13am

re: #454 Kenneth

re: #385 keithgabryelski

You consider the Iraq war (the escalation that occurred in 2001) to be in defense of America. I don't consider it such.


Good catch, debutant. The US invaded Iraq in 2003. What was the escalation in the Iraq war in 2001 to which Keith is referring?

I'll check with loose change - they probably have some valid information.

464 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:56:05am

re: #461 Peter Verkooijen

The "left" doesn't consider GWB a legitimate President and they're working hard - and successfully I'm afraid - on mainstreaming this idea.

There's an HBO movie in the works that again makes the case Bush stole the 2000 election. The upcoming Oliver Stone Bush biopic will probably make the same point.

Facts be damned. It was 8 years ago. Younger generations, through the school system, mainstream media and popular culture, grow up with this idea that Bush, 9-11, Iraq and everything that happened since are all part of one big evil Republican, neocon, zionist conspiracy.

Well....just think back to the way the left treated Reagan when he was in office.....the devil incarnate.

Now, he's their favorite conservative of all time.....the worm turns.

465 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:56:47am

re: #446 David Simon

Okay, so you're not totally against war. Next question, do you agree that the world would have been better off if France had annihilated Germany when Hitler violated the Treaty of Versailles by moving troops into the demilitarized Rhineland?

i don't know the consequences of such an act but I will concede any point that the world would be better off today had Hitler not been able to progress as far as he did.

466 HDrepub  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:57:16am

re: #464 eschew_obfuscation

Now, he's their favorite conservative of all time.....the worm turns.

They always love them more after they die, so I wouldn't consider that much progress.

467 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:57:27am

re: #461 Peter Verkooijen

Facts be damned. It was 8 years ago. Younger generations, through the school system, mainstream media and popular culture, grow up with this idea that Bush, 9-11, Iraq and everything that happened since are all part of one big evil Republican, neocon, zionist conspiracy.

And I suspect as many as 120 million people here in the US of A, will never, ever, seek to learn the truth. It's just too easy to be a moonbat.

468 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:58:41am

re: #462 keithgabryelski

It seems there was a lot of bad evidence against Iraq at the time. It seems there was also a lot of evidence that Iraq wasn't such a threat. The benefit did not outweigh the risk and it would seem there were enough advisers around to know this.

It would seem we could have focused our efforts in other directions for a better end.

#2 is slightly address by my comment about, was the cost worth the benefit but considering that our attention was de-focused from other nations who were actually trying to acquire WMDs it seems we choice of fronts was, at best, a failure.

#3 - has it helped? did we bring pressure against them or have they benefited?

#4 certainly a laudable goal.

You ask "consiider the options in 2003" and "what if saddam still existed today".

The options in 2003 were certainly tough. Hey, the president's job is tough. But he got it wrong and people (Americans) blame him for it. I think the blame is correctly placed. Again, I didn't think there was enough evidence for a war with Iraq. At the time it seemed like there was a lot of counter-claims that process that was in place was basically working.

and to "what if Saddam still existed" -- i have no idea, but it seems he had little ability to harm us or Israel.

You didn't read the links in #343 did you?

469 David Simon  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:58:56am

re: #462 keithgabryelski

and to "what if Saddam still existed" -- i have no idea, but it seems he had little ability to harm us or Israel.

Oh brother. Are you too young to remember Gulf War I? Here's a little background Keith:

[Link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...]

470 HDrepub  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:59:39am

re: #467 unrealizedviewpoint

re: #461 Peter Verkooijen

Facts be damned. It was 8 years ago. Younger generations, through the school system, mainstream media and popular culture, grow up with this idea that Bush, 9-11, Iraq and everything that happened since are all part of one big evil Republican, neocon, zionist conspiracy.

And I suspect as many as 120 million people here in the US of A, will never, ever, seek to learn the truth. It's just too easy to be a moonbat.

And for the senior moonbats, history begins with 1969 when the four years old war in SE Asia became Nixon's war. Anything before that is considered prehistoric and irrelebant.

471 HDrepub  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:00:34am

re: #470 HDrepub

irrelebant. Irrelevant, typo. PIMF

472 quickjustice  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:01:11am

"Would you like a nice big cup of "shut up" with that, Mr. President?", Olbermann asked.

473 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:02:07am
474 ArmyWife  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:03:50am

re: #462 keithgabryelski

I am guessing you didn't like my post, or what I said was inconvenient as it doesn't mesh with want you would like to believe - truth be damned.

Has it occurred to you establishing a strong presence in Iraq is strategically very wise considering where this world is going? As a side benefit we got rid of an evil, evil man that caused incredible harm to his people and others. He DID harbor terrorists, make no mistake. He was a risk to us and to society in general - don't confuse not finding Nukes with Hussein not having WMDs. This man buried aircraft; you don't think he was capable of sending things away to Syria?

475 tommygum  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:04:45am

re: #324 Dad O' Blondes

HA!

Toss Olbermann out of a plane over Tehran and arm him with a megaphone.

Game over. Decisive victory for the USA.

.

Ohne Fallshirm.

476 MandyManners  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:06:09am

The stupid is strong here.

477 JHW  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:06:09am

A lot of the very same people saying we shouldn't have invaded Iraq, "illegal war"(whatever the hell that means), America the bully, global cop throwing its weight around, etc, etc, are now demanding the US "just do something, even if it means invasion" in Burma. The junta is killing its own people en masse, so that's reason enough to use force against them.But not Saddam or Iraq, that would be illegal, the UN didn't approve it.

See Time magazine for example, or the comments section on articles about Burma in the UK papers, the very same people that sneer about the US being a big bully want to volunteer the US Armed forces for social work in Burma. Presumably they don't want their own Armed Forces to be involved.

478 Kenneth  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:06:10am

re: #462 keithgabryelski

Thank you for taking the time to answer my posts.

The only "bad evidence" was the extent of Saddam's' WMD arsenal. As it turned out, he had a few hundred old shells & missiles and tanks of chemicals. Not anything near the capacity the entire world believed he had. Everything else turned out to be true, and in many case much worse than suspected.

The options in 2003 were certainly tough. Hey, the president's job is tough. But he got it wrong and people (Americans) blame him for it. I think the blame is correctly placed. Again, I didn't think there was enough evidence for a war with Iraq.

No, you have to provide a reasonable alternative. The fact is Congress supported the President, & then lied about it later. Bush at least has taken responsibility and accepted the blame, unlike the Democrats who "voted for it before they voted against it".

At the time it seemed like there was a lot of counter-claims that process that was in place was basically working.

Oh man! You really have to go read about the UN Oil For Food Scam if you think the system was working!

Gotta run, I'm glad you've taken the time to read, think & write. Keep it up. I hope to see you here again.

479 Cygnus  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:07:24am

re: #401 ArmyWife

I don't need to speak for Mandy, she does a fine job on her own, however, I DO have a rebuttal, Mr. Gabryelski -

My husband is active duty. He has served 3 tours in this conflict. Three. Three times. Guess what? He'd go back tomorrow if he were asked. Why? Because he saw first hand the positive difference we are making there. You don't know about this because screwballs like Keith Olbermann don't want you to know - it goes against their agenda. You, my friend, have fallen hook, line and sinker for this. Though you libs like to taut yourselves as independent thinkers going against "the man", the truth is you couldn't think for yourselves if we gave you all the socialized healthcare you can stand in return.

I have sacrificed a lot in my marriage because my husband is a hero. I wish I didn't have to share THAT with you and all the others like you who lambast him for doing his job, but he is a better person than me and will continue to fight on so that you can have your silly little I Love Barack page.

You are both heroes. Thank you!

480 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:10:35am

re: #468 eschew_obfuscation

You didn't read the links in #343 did you?

I didn't. I have read part of it, now (it seems to revolve around "the left media ignores links between AQ and Iraq" -- correct me if I missed something, please).

I think this is a canard. I think operational links are really what people are talking about when they talk about "links".

By operational links I mean links where both sides are actively working on an operation of terrorism against the US.

481 Peter Verkooijen  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:13:03am

re: #462 keithgabryelski

....
The options in 2003 were certainly tough. Hey, the president's job is tough. But he got it wrong and people (Americans) blame him for it. I think the blame is correctly placed. Again, I didn't think there was enough evidence for a war with Iraq. At the time it seemed like there was a lot of counter-claims that process that was in place was basically working.

The left has succeeded in framing the debate. The point of Iraq was never just weapons of mass destruction and Bush never hid that fact. That was only the formal reason because Bush was trying to work with the UN and allies, including dodgy allies like the Saudis.

The real reason was to establish a Bush Doctrine, that the United States would confront any government that supports terrorism (stateless groups targeting civilians for political goals) and would actively support democracy. The point was to establish democracies on the borders of Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia.

If you were against the Iraq war, you were defending a (national socialist) dictatorship. If you're still against the Iraq war, you're against democracy and rooting for islamist thugs. So screw you, keithgabryelski, you fascist hypocrite. :-)

482 BingoBunny  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:13:43am

Where the hell is KO and the other left wing rant people leading this country.. communism?.. surrender to barbarians?.. socialism?.. and what will they have to say if they get say BHO as president.. and he discovers.."hey I'm sorry we really do need to stay in Iraq.. and kick Irans ass" ...they will all turn purple and die of repressed hate.

483 Intrepid  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:14:35am

re: #401 ArmyWife

I don't need to speak for Mandy, she does a fine job on her own, however, I DO have a rebuttal, Mr. Gabryelski -

My husband is active duty. He has served 3 tours in this conflict. Three. Three times. Guess what? He'd go back tomorrow if he were asked. Why? Because he saw first hand the positive difference we are making there. You don't know about this because screwballs like Keith Olbermann don't want you to know - it goes against their agenda. You, my friend, have fallen hook, line and sinker for this. Though you libs like to taut yourselves as independent thinkers going against "the man", the truth is you couldn't think for yourselves if we gave you all the socialized healthcare you can stand in return.

I have sacrificed a lot in my marriage because my husband is a hero. I wish I didn't have to share THAT with you and all the others like you who lambast him for doing his job, but he is a better person than me and will continue to fight on so that you can have your silly little I Love Barack page.

Because this deserves to be seen and read over and over again.

My respect and thanks to you, your family and your husband, ArmyWife.

484 David Simon  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:15:29am

re: #465 keithgabryelski

i don't know the consequences of such an act but I will concede any point that the world would be better off today had Hitler not been able to progress as far as he did.

Even Hitler admitted that if France had called his bluff, Germany would have been destroyed.

Now, consider this: Saddam invaded (not the first time he attacked a neighboring country) Kuwait (10% of the world's proven oil reserves) and would certainly have invaded Saudi Arabia (20% of the world's proven oil reserves). Why?

Are you aware that it was Saddam Hussein who busted the Arab blackmail attempt in the mid-seventies by selling us oil under the table in violation of his embargo quotas? And what did he use the money for? He expanded his military power.

Like Hitler, Saddam was no mystery; he saw himself as a modern day Saladin. It was a mistake not to have dealt with Hitler early on; fortunately, we didn't make the same mistake with Saddam.

485 _remembertonyc  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:17:47am

I worked with olbermann for almost 4 years.

You simply cannot imagine an adult with fewer or less developed social skills than keith.

Once he said something to a young female production assistant that made her cry. He berated a piece of her work ON THE AIR. And I was waiting for him after the end of the show. Ripped him a new one. He pretended to feel bad, but I knew he was full of it.

He is just a rotten human being.

486 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:19:13am

re: #401 ArmyWife

I don't need to speak for Mandy, she does a fine job on her own, however, I DO have a rebuttal, Mr. Gabryelski -

My husband is active duty. He has served 3 tours in this conflict. Three. Three times. Guess what? He'd go back tomorrow if he were asked. Why? Because he saw first hand the positive difference we are making there. You don't know about this because screwballs like Keith Olbermann don't want you to know - it goes against their agenda. You, my friend, have fallen hook, line and sinker for this. Though you libs like to taut yourselves as independent thinkers going against "the man", the truth is you couldn't think for yourselves if we gave you all the socialized healthcare you can stand in return.

I have sacrificed a lot in my marriage because my husband is a hero. I wish I didn't have to share THAT with you and all the others like you who lambast him for doing his job, but he is a better person than me and will continue to fight on so that you can have your silly little I Love Barack page.

i didn't see your post until you brought it up, again, later.

I have no doubt your husband is doing good in Iraq and Heroes are the definition of our Armed Forces. I've never said anything different.

You do assume I have reached some position because of Keith
Olbermann (and that I agree with him, and that I don't think for myself). Which seems presumptuous.

You also state I have lambasted your husband which is incorrect.

I do wish we did not invade Iraq in 2003.

487 Acumen  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:19:55am

The louder they yell the more you know Bush hit a home run! Hit them again is my suggestion! It's great fun watching them go on TV and literally foaming at the month. Hit them again and watch them squeal - it should be a game show or something.

488 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:21:07am

re: #481 Peter Verkooijen

The left has succeeded in framing the debate. The point of Iraq was never just weapons of mass destruction and Bush never hid that fact. That was only the formal reason because Bush was trying to work with the UN and allies, including dodgy allies like the Saudis.

The real reason was to establish a Bush Doctrine, that the United States would confront any government that supports terrorism (stateless groups targeting civilians for political goals) and would actively support democracy. The point was to establish democracies on the borders of Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia.

If you were against the Iraq war, you were defending a (national socialist) dictatorship. If you're still against the Iraq war, you're against democracy and rooting for islamist thugs. So screw you, keithgabryelski, you fascist hypocrite. :-)

you have re-framed the argument -- There were better ways to address terror and more active participants in the support of terror than Iraq.

489 ArmyWife  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:22:11am

re: #488 keithgabryelski

you have re-framed the argument -- There were better ways to address terror and more active participants in the support of terror than Iraq.

Tea and cookies, because that always works, right? Sometimes War is the Answer, you just need to understand the question.

490 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:23:57am

re: #484 David Simon

Like Hitler, Saddam was no mystery; he saw himself as a modern day Saladin. It was a mistake not to have dealt with Hitler early on; fortunately, we didn't make the same mistake with Saddam.

He was a bad guy -- yes. He did not have the ability to hurt us in an serious way.

491 Iron Fist  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:24:58am

re: #392 Maine's Michael,

This war was not simply about safegarding our oil supplies. You seem to have forgotten 9-11, and the very real threat of terrorists armed with WMD. The choice wasn't to just leave Saddam where he was or fight a war. Sanctions were falling apart. The "Oil for Food" scam was basically oil for bribes and Palaces. IIRC, the French were even tossing in some weaponry. Certainly, the sanctions would not have continued had the United States backed down in 2003.

And Saddam's WMD machine was ready to be pulled out of mothballs and set to cranking the moment that happened. What Saddam would have done with those weapons is open to question, but I think it is obvious that Saddam simply having them was not in the best security interests of the United States.

There really was no logical alternative to war with Iraq. Given the disloyalty of the Opposition at home, I'm not sure that there could have been any better way to handle the war. We had to try the kid glove treatment because the Opposition at home demanded it. They demanded it because they want, they have always wanted, this war to be lost.

Barrack Obama is even now promising to give them the defeat they crave if he is elected President.

The War in Iraq has been astoundingly successful by any yardstick other than the impossible one the Democrats have held it to. We were supposed to lose 10,000 troops taking Bagdhad. At the current rate of losses, we won't lose 10,000 troops if we have to occupy Iraq for another 50 years. We walked all over Saddam's army, and have had to listen to near treasonous Monday-morning quarterbacks bitch that the war wasn't PERFECT ever since.

If Politics had stopped at the water's edge, this war would have been over a couple of years ago. That didn't suit the Democrats political strategy, so they've kept telling al Qaeda that if they'll just hold out a little longer then they'll give them the power to defeat America. And al Qaeda keeps holding on, but they are in dire straights. They're down to strapping bombs to little girls and blowing them up to try and kill a few people.

This is not a strategy designed to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqis. Although it may serve to shore up their support in Congress. The Democrats want al Qaeda to win almost as badly as al Qaeda does itself. Where Bush failed was in the propaganda war. He should have called the Democrats traitors, and pointed out their treason every time they moved the goalposts in the war and everytime they disrespected our troops. He should have pointed out that we were kicking ass on the battlefield, and that our enemy is a rag-tag, beaten group of amatures and not a real army at all.

He should have blasted the terrorist huggers every time they whined about Gitmo. He didn't do that, and so he failed in the propaganda war.

492 ArmyWife  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:25:10am

re: #483 Intrepid


Thanks again. Unfortunately the point was lost on the targeted recipient of the message. My faith is restored, however because others got it!

You know what they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him more intelligent. Or something like that.

493 incanus  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:25:59am

re: #488 keithgabryelski

you have re-framed the argument -- There were better ways to address terror and more active participants in the support of terror than Iraq.

Ron Burgundy: "... so anyway just pack up your desk, we'll be there to pick you up in the morning"

Veronica Corningstone: "You're pathetic, Ron"

Ron Burgundy: "You're pathetic." [hangs up]

This is an argument?

494 nyc redneck  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:25:59am

re: #408 MandyManners

What?

women have written mark abt. how strange their, ummmm, shall we say "dates" were w/ this pervert. he's weird.
that's what mark alludes to. and occasionally threatens to divulge in more detail.
notice the perv doesn't talk abt mark anymore.

495 incanus  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:26:14am

re: #490 keithgabryelski

He was a bad guy -- yes. He did not have the ability to hurt us in an serious way.

Wrong.

496 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:26:53am

re: #362 chingachgook

It's has been over an hour, 120 comments, and at least 10 rebuttals to chingachgook's Olbermann love letter & Invade Iran rant. Just a drive-by, huh chingachgook?

497 David Simon  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:27:17am

re: #490 keithgabryelski

He was a bad guy -- yes. He did not have the ability to hurt us in an serious way.

You've completely missed the point. We took him out before he (or his even nuttier sons) had the ability to hurt us.

I'm done.

498 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:27:22am

re: #489 ArmyWife

Tea and cookies, because that always works, right? Sometimes War is the Answer, you just need to understand the question.

I have not suggested "tea and cookies" as a response to anything but Mom coming over on Sunday afternoon.

It state otherwise is fallacious. Please stop it.

499 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:28:16am
500 jcm  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:28:40am

re: #490 keithgabryelski

He was a bad guy -- yes. He did not have the ability to hurt us in an serious way.

Oh?
WASHINGTON — A Pentagon review of about 600,000 documents captured in the Iraq war attests to Saddam Hussein's willingness to use terrorism to target Americans and work closely with jihadist organizations throughout the Middle East.

501 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:28:56am

re: #493 incanus

Ron Burgundy: "... so anyway just pack up your desk, we'll be there to pick you up in the morning"

Veronica Corningstone: "You're pathetic, Ron"

Ron Burgundy: "You're pathetic." [hangs up]

This is an argument?

it would be similar to the Ron Burgundy quote if I had not addressed how the argument was reframed and corrected it.

502 Peter Verkooijen  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:29:02am

re: #488 keithgabryelski

you have re-framed the argument -- There were better ways to address terror and more active participants in the support of terror than Iraq.

Yes, like Iran! So what do you suggest, that the US should have attacked Iran instead?

What better ways to address terror? Policing?

And leave the Middle East in the grip of dictatorships, with the islamists as the only popular movement with any chance of bringing about change?

Are you suggesting the US should have cooperated with Saddam Hussein? Or ignore him? Let the ineffective sanction fester? What?!

You just don't get it. You're an ignorant idiot. Look at the map for chrissakes!

I'm not reframing anything. Go back to the speeches of the Bush Administration, not the news reports, the original texts. It's all there.

503 Iron Fist  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:30:47am

re: #442 Cygnus,

We never captured Hitler! They didn't take Berlin in three weeks, either! It is clear that we lost WWII. We've just been being lied to by the Government all these years.

504 David Simon  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:35:11am

re: #491 Iron Fist

The War in Iraq has been astoundingly successful by any yardstick other than the impossible one the Democrats have held it to. We were supposed to lose 10,000 troops taking Bagdhad.

About the number the Germans lost in the cakewalk against Poland.

505 incanus  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:36:52am

re: #501 keithgabryelski

it would be similar to the Ron Burgundy quote if I had not addressed how the argument was reframed and corrected it.

Except you didn't. You simply made an assertion. Proof by assertion is no proof at all.

506 HippieforLife  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:37:17am

So, how long would little Keithie be on the air after he gets to screaming about Mr. Obama? It just would not happen.

He must have a very ugly soul. It just oozes out of him.

This last rant of his may finally make me write a letter to MSNBC.

507 nyc redneck  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:37:41am

re: #489 ArmyWife

Tea and cookies, because that always works, right? Sometimes War is the Answer, you just need to understand the question.

i love it. lol the idiots who say the blanket statement "war is not the answer". i enjoy questioning people w/ this bumper sticker slogan.
i ask them, 'are you aware that you would probably be speaking german now, if war wasn't the answer at least in l938?' (that is if your family even survived the concentration camps).
it's so annoying.

508 Peter Verkooijen  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:39:34am

re: #491 Iron Fist

...
If Politics had stopped at the water's edge, this war would have been over a couple of years ago. That didn't suit the Democrats political strategy, so they've kept telling al Qaeda that if they'll just hold out a little longer then they'll give them the power to defeat America. And al Qaeda keeps holding on, but they are in dire straights. They're down to strapping bombs to little girls and blowing them up to try and kill a few people.

This is not a strategy designed to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqis. Although it may serve to shore up their support in Congress. The Democrats want al Qaeda to win almost as badly as al Qaeda does itself. Where Bush failed was in the propaganda war. He should have called the Democrats traitors, and pointed out their treason every time they moved the goalposts in the war and everytime they disrespected our troops. He should have pointed out that we were kicking ass on the battlefield, and that our enemy is a rag-tag, beaten group of amatures and not a real army at all.

He should have blasted the terrorist huggers every time they whined about Gitmo. He didn't do that, and so he failed in the propaganda war.

Amen!

509 ColoradoJim  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:39:48am

Mr. Olbermann,

Go to hell.
Go directly to hell.
Do not pass GO.
Do not collect $200.

510 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:43:47am

re: #505 incanus

Except you didn't. You simply made an assertion. Proof by assertion is no proof at all.

Read the thread:

I said: ~we could have done better~

He said: ~the left re-frames the argument~ (in response to be, meaning I am reframing the argument) and then states I re-framed the argument by misstating the reasons we went to war with Iraq.

I said: no, what i said was there were better ways to address terror than war with Iraq.

My statement "there were better ways ..." may or may not be true, that has nothing to do with his statement that I re-framed the argument on the reasons we went to war with Iraq (which I haven't).

He re-framed my argument. I pointed it out, and stated what my argument actually was. What more can I do?

511 oronpam  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:46:47am

Here's a tip for Keith from someone he trust.......Yoda:

"Better customize your weapons you can"

512 ethanxxx  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:47:34am

This is the most attention OlberBoy has gotten lately... I bet he really feels like somebody today. What a joke. This little Tool reminds me of a lot of the Ad-Executives I had to deal with in my career. The biggest challenge was not tossing them out of a window.

513 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 15, 2008 12:03:21pm

re: #400 bulwrk

The tanks could have headed toward Tehran. It's what any great General would have done and the world expected it. We could have taken the Middle East that summer and made history. We also could have put Osama Bin Ladens head on a spike to mark our victory.

Thats delusional I'd like to know which great generals you would be thinking of

Sounds like Wesley Clark.

/

514 ArmyWife  Thu, May 15, 2008 12:04:41pm

re: #498 keithgabryelski

There was nothing illogical about what I just wrote. But I am impressed with your use of great big words.

I've not once asked you to "please stop" your ridiculously inane arguments against this war. Had I known that was a proper response in your eyes I would have simply told you to "stop it" and as such wouldn't have been subjected to the continued drivel.

515 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 12:11:57pm

re: #514 ArmyWife

There was nothing illogical about what I just wrote. But I am impressed with your use of great big words.

I've not once asked you to "please stop" your ridiculously inane arguments against this war. Had I known that was a proper response in your eyes I would have simply told you to "stop it" and as such wouldn't have been subjected to the continued drivel.

you stated:


Tea and cookies, because that always works, right?

This is a false argument. It is attempting to re-frame what I have been saying to something different. In this case you re-frame my argument "we could have done better at addressing terror than invading Iraq" to "We should serve tea and cookies to our enemies and maybe they will stop hurting us".

It is a false argument because I never once stated "tea and cookies" or anything like it was a good idea. It is a particular false which ridicules me instead of addressing my argument which is, in fact, illogical.

It is illogical if you wish to argue honestly. It is perfectly logical if you wish to divert attention from an argument you can't win in a honest way.

I told you to "please stop it" so we could get back to an honest argument.

516 right wing zephyr  Thu, May 15, 2008 12:13:40pm

re: #498 keithgabryelski

I have not suggested "tea and cookies" as a response to anything but Mom coming over on Sunday afternoon.

It state otherwise is fallacious. Please stop it.

"You keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Anyhow, I agree with you. There are too many fukkin' tards on this thread. And from the posts of yours I read, you be one of 'um.

517 joegosox  Thu, May 15, 2008 12:20:07pm

At 5:14 this ranting idiot cuts to the crux of his tirade with one word..."Quit"

518 nikis-knight  Thu, May 15, 2008 12:24:25pm

re: #35 The Other Les

tyrranophilic means what?

Love of tyrants and tyranny.


Actually, it would be love of terror, equally apt, though.

519 David Simon  Thu, May 15, 2008 12:28:28pm

re: #510 keithgabryelski

I said: no, what i said was there were better ways to address terror than war with Iraq.

My statement "there were better ways ..." may or may not be true

Huh? How do you know "there were better ways" when you acknowledge that you don't know if that statement is true?

520 princetrumpet  Thu, May 15, 2008 12:30:43pm

re: #319 keithgabryelski

No, we're not in agreement. I was speaking specifically about Bush. I wasn't agreeing with your "logic". There's a new thing, just out... it's called sarcasm. That I chose just one aspect of Bush's success as a two term president clearly went over your head. Keep stumping for your candidate. You deserve each other.

521 nikis-knight  Thu, May 15, 2008 12:31:15pm

re: #138 keithgabryelski

it was an affirmation of base point of the poster, with a conscious to how someone can come to a point that they are that disrespectful.


Um, no, because you didn't mention tragic brain damage or mind destroying drugs...

522 HippieforLife  Thu, May 15, 2008 12:35:39pm

re: #362 chingachgook

If America can survive Jimmy Carter, we can survive anyone.

Just because you do not like the President does not give you the right to bash America. It is the people of this country that keep it great.
Not great talking heads like Keith O. Besides, George W. Bush was elected twice. Keith couldn't get elected to anything. I think that he may be the "dolt".

523 Render  Thu, May 15, 2008 12:54:26pm

[Link: my.barackobama.com...]

UH
HUH,
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524 nikis-knight  Thu, May 15, 2008 12:57:11pm

re: #275 keithgabryelski

I have been lurking for a while. I've read quite a bit. Some I agree with, a lot I don't. In fact, I bookmarked LGF a while back because of some good submissions I saw.

Consider that I chose my first post to agree with the submitter, show my displeasure with Olbermann but with an understanding of his displeasure.

Please. you hardly agreed with Charles (the only submitter to the main page, btw). You pulled the opposite of "damning with faint praise" to Olberman, say, "praising with faint criticism."
Olberman is unhinged. NOTHING he said had any basis in fact. To say you can understand baseless lies is hardly agreeing with Charles.

525 nikis-knight  Thu, May 15, 2008 1:04:32pm

re: #357 buzzsawmonkey

Nevermind the heinous acts being done against civilians NOW, that we (by which I mean our armed forces) are bravely stopping.

526 Stratergic Thinking  Thu, May 15, 2008 1:08:04pm

re: #365 Charles

Wow. Keith Olbermann fans at LGF. Who knew?

Gosh Charles that isn't the most shocking part. The Keith Olbermann fans think he's smart.

Now that's incredulous.

ST

527 Apache30  Thu, May 15, 2008 1:18:01pm

"So screw you, keithgabryelski, you fascist hypocrite."

Fixed that for ya.

Liberal=fascist pig.

Deal with it, keithy.

528 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 1:39:30pm

re: #527 Apache30

"So screw you, keithgabryelski, you fascist hypocrite."

Fixed that for ya.

Liberal=fascist pig.

Deal with it, keithy.

keeping it classy, i see.

529 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 1:40:53pm

re: #524 nikis-knight

Please. you hardly agreed with Charles (the only submitter to the main page, btw). You pulled the opposite of "damning with faint praise" to Olberman, say, "praising with faint criticism."
Olberman is unhinged. NOTHING he said had any basis in fact. To say you can understand baseless lies is hardly agreeing with Charles.

1) i did not praise Olbermann.
2) I'm sure Olbermann has said SOMETHING that was based in fact.
3) I can understand his anger.

530 Kenneth  Thu, May 15, 2008 1:49:19pm

Keith,

You wrote "there were better ways of dealing with terror than invading Iraq". Ok, name one? You already answered my question about leaving Saddam in power by saying you didn't know if it would have been better or not. You seem very unsure about any specifcs.

You also stated Iraq had no ability to harm the US. Now the US did find a few viles of anthrax, several tons of enriched uranium and dozens of chemical weapons in Iraq. Not anything like the quantities we expected, but some. You don't think he could have given these to Al Qaeda? You don't think Al Qaeda would have used them? You don't think that would have been serious harm?

You really must escape the media talking points "Bush lied, no WMD in IRaq, no contact with Al Qaeda". learn the rue facts and start thinking this through.

Bush & co made some serious mistakes in Iraq, but the basic stategy was sound. Abandoning Iraq as your man Obama has promised to do will be a dissaster for Iraq, the Middle East & America. This is more important than "proving" Bush was wrong or right. This is about what do we do now.

Think about it.

531 Cap'n DOC  Thu, May 15, 2008 1:50:28pm

re: #195 keithgabryelski

Have you seen RIP Van Winkle Paw lately?

532 Gang of One  Thu, May 15, 2008 1:56:32pm

re: #43 VegasRick

I guess you're right, the 6 idiots that watch his show really like him.

The engineers in the control booth don't really count.

533 nikis-knight  Thu, May 15, 2008 2:11:11pm

re: #529 keithgabryelski

1) i did not praise Olbermann.
2) I'm sure Olbermann has said SOMETHING that was based in fact.
3) I can understand his anger.

1) So, I'll explain better, then: By merely saying he was "off" when he was cussing the lawful president of the united states, lying, and generally being an ass, it is minimizing greatly his offense. This is NOT the same as agreeing with Charles when he says it was "insane ranting" "hate speech"
"off" is NOT agreement of insane ranting hate speech, and you are lying when you say that your first post "was an affirmation of base point of the poster"
Nope. Charles point was that this guy is outrageously hateful. You were minimizing that, explaining and "understanding" that. (Usually leftists only try to "understand" the rage of those who want to destroy America, so it is not surprising you'd be understanding of Obermann.)
2) I heard it today. Did you? He said that Bush said the Democrats would get American's killed. What Bush said was that the worst case scenario of an immediate withdrawl would be eventual attacks on America. Those are NOT the same thing (even though both are likely true.)
NO basis in fact.
3) Telling, very telling. As telling as the fact that he does not have the same anger towards the people who strap bombs on innocent children or mentally challenged women, to use as remote bombs against civilians at pet stores or roadsides.
If he did, he wouldn't compare America with Al Queda in Iraq, which he did in that rant.

Try again.

534 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 2:22:55pm

re: #530 Kenneth


You wrote "there were better ways of dealing with terror than invading Iraq". Ok, name one? You already answered my question about leaving Saddam in power by saying you didn't know if it would have been better or not. You seem very unsure about any specifcs.

1) leaving him constrained in the manner he was would seem to be the better choice.
2) The "i don't know" was a hint that I wasn't gonna play the crystal ball game. You don't know, either. But we can say is that Saddam had no reasonable way to hurt us (in an serious way) and that our invasion of Iraq has distracted us from other, more serious concerns.


You also stated Iraq had no ability to harm the US. Now the US did find a few viles of anthrax, several tons of enriched uranium and dozens of chemical weapons in Iraq. Not anything like the quantities we expected, but some. You don't think he could have given these to Al Qaeda? You don't think Al Qaeda would have used them? You don't think that would have been serious harm?

It's a tough call -- but it seems anything he could have helped plan was small potatoes.


You really must escape the media talking points "Bush lied, no WMD in IRaq, no contact with Al Qaeda". learn the rue facts and start thinking this through.

You must escape the talking point that every one that is against the war gets talking points from the liberal media.

I stated, merely, the invasion of Iraq was a poor choice. The blame goes to the man in charge. Bush is the man in charge. People are angry with him about it. I understand that.


Bush & co made some serious mistakes in Iraq, but the basic stategy was sound.

It depends on what you mean "basic strategy" -- maybe all "basic strategies" are sound:

1) do something
2) xxxx
3) profit

But to gloss over the amount of failure committed by this administration with "the basic strategy was sound" seems like you are ignoring the amount of evidence we had that this was going to be tough.

That this was going to be tough, that we knew it was going to be tough and, yet, we did not take the opportunity to set procedures in place to ensure the things we wanted to accomplished were accomplished.

And when we saw failure, when failure was pointed out, we continued on the same course with excuses that "you go to war with the army you have" and "a few dead-enders" and "just one guy with a vase". Corrections have been slow and insufficient.


This is more important than "proving" Bush was wrong or right. This is about what do we do now.

You assume I want to prove Bush wrong -- it is tough to see how you haven't come to the conclusion that he already "just wrong".

Certainly it is about what we do now. We can certainly point out the problems of that past, though -- make sure they are noted so we don't do them again.

Abandoning Iraq as your man Obama has promised to do will be a dissaster for Iraq, the Middle East & America.

I have no idea if leaving iraq will be a disaster for America. It doesn't come as obvious to me that it is a fact, though. It seems there is a lot assumption that goes on there and no one can really predict the outcome of events.

I find it just as likely that a withdrawal of the type Obama has stated will give the Iraqi leadership the right kick in the pants to get their stuff together.

That leaves us with-out a control point in Iraq -- is that worth it? I don't know. I see very little benefit right now, though.

535 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 2:34:04pm

re: #533 nikis-knight

You were minimizing that, explaining and "understanding" that. (Usually leftists only try to "understand" the rage of those who want to destroy America, so it is not surprising you'd be understanding of Obermann.)

I understand why people are pissed at Olbermann for his comments, I think our media could do a lot better at reporting by less commentary of this type. I hope these same people found the disrespectful comments by right-leaning pundits against Clinton in the same light.

And my point was: I agree that Charles that Olbermann was out of line. I haven't actually watched all the comments, I turned them off when I at home because I thought it drivel -- but I understand where his anger comes from.


2) I heard it today. Did you? He said that Bush said the Democrats would get American's killed. What Bush said was that the worst case scenario of an immediate withdrawl would be eventual attacks on America. Those are NOT the same thing (even though both are likely true.)
NO basis in fact.

Oh PUHLEASE -- each side pushes the lines of truth knowing that some will understand the specific point but that others will read in more. Bush has more of a responsibility to be an elder statesman than Olbermann. He has failed at being a uniter and his comments were un-presidential.


3) Telling, very telling. As telling as the fact that he does not have the same anger towards the people who strap bombs on innocent children or mentally challenged women, to use as remote bombs against civilians at pet stores or roadsides.
If he did, he wouldn't compare America with Al Queda in Iraq, which he did in that rant.

To reduce any American in a claim that they don't understand the horrors of terrorist attacks is a bigger problem, in my opinion, than a talking head not mentioning each horrific act every 1-hour show they produce.

536 FrogMarch  Thu, May 15, 2008 2:38:47pm

re: #5 MandyManners

My I.Q. lost several points just looking at his photograph.

I know. He's such a pencil necked asshole.

537 gman  Thu, May 15, 2008 2:44:23pm

re: #357 buzzsawmonkey

Apparently, you have managed to block out all the information about Saddam Hussein's activities as a terrorist paymaster and supplier of arms, and harborer of terrorists; that he was still subject to sanctions which he had violated, and inspections which he flouted; that the intelligence services of many nations, not just our own, had information indicating he was indeed working on serious weapons.

All of this and more was in the Congressional authorization to go to war against him, voted for by an overwhelmingly bipartisan vote. That the war in Iraq has been reduced to "no WMD!" by the very people whose efforts to delay our taking action permitted those very weapons to be hidden and/or smuggled out, is only one of the disgustingly dishonest aspects of the discourse that today's opponents of the war engage in.

Spot on, but I think we're wasting our time on Keith because he's willing to be critical about Bush's reasons for going to war with Iraq but not critical about the biaprtisan support the war received in the very first place. It's the Bush=Hitler meme, where Bush can do no right, but the other side can do what the hell they please.

538 FrogMarch  Thu, May 15, 2008 2:45:55pm

re: #6 Honorary Yooper

Does anyone actually watch Olbermann? I mean, other than waiting rooms and airport lounges?

Actually - smart liberals are turned off by Olbermann. Only bottom feeder types are into him. He's the repugnant mascot for the repugnant.

539 chingachgook  Thu, May 15, 2008 2:58:22pm

Not a drive by.

Expected better from most, not surprised by some.

540 TMF  Thu, May 15, 2008 3:04:22pm

Thank you, President Bush, for keeping me and my children safe from terrorism for the last 7 years.

I truly believe it has been your policies- both domestic and foreign- that has been responsible for this incredible acheivement.

I also truly believe your policies will be reversed and my family less safe under the appeasing, head in the sand, ignorant policies of far left liberals like Barack Hussein Obama.

sincerely,

541 Kenneth  Thu, May 15, 2008 3:17:03pm

re: #534 keithgabryelski

1) leaving him constrained in the manner he was would seem to be the better choice.

He wasn't as constrained as you imagine. Did you research the UN Oil for Food Scam? Saddam embezelled $11 billion and used it to buy weapons, palaces & bribe UN officials and politicians from Moscow to Paris.

2) The "i don't know" was a hint that I wasn't gonna play the crystal ball game. You don't know, either. But we can say is that Saddam had no reasonable way to hurt us (in an serious way) and that our invasion of Iraq has distracted us from other, more serious concerns.

Ah the "distraction" meme. It seems the distraction cut both ways, Al Qaeda streamed into Iraq to kill Americans. They also killed thousands of Iraqis.And now AQ is beaten in Iraq & thoroughly hated by the Iraqis.

It's a tough call -- but it seems anything he could have helped plan was small potatoes.

Really? A tough call? That's not an argument. That's admitting you have nothing to say while ignoring the issue. Did you know, that on the morning of 9-11 a unit of US troops were sent to Manhattan with equipment to detect chemical & biological weapons agents? They didn't find any, but can you imagine how much more distruction & horror would have occurred? Don't you recall how a few anthrax laced letters which shut down Congress & the US post office? Don't you think a hundred times more anthrax would have cause death & panic on a horrific scale? If you don;t then you know nothing about anthrax. And Saddam had anthrax & equipment for growing & drying more. US troops found it. Look it up.

You must escape the talking point that every one that is against the war gets talking points from the liberal media.

You repeat the talking points almost verbattim. You must get them from somewhere... is it in you coffee? Come off it... put up a reasoned and fact based argument.

I stated, merely, the invasion of Iraq was a poor choice. The blame goes to the man in charge. Bush is the man in charge. People are angry with him about it. I understand that.

You have failed to argue leaving sSaddam in power was a better choice.

But to gloss over the amount of failure committed by this administration with "the basic strategy was sound" seems like you are ignoring the amount of evidence we had that this was going to be tough.

That this was going to be tough, that we knew it was going to be tough and, yet, we did not take the opportunity to set procedures in place to ensure the things we wanted to accomplished were accomplished.

I will concede you that point. Bush did not insist on his war planners (Rumsfeld et al) including a thorough plan for post-invasion. They went in with too few troops and made a series of mistakes afterwards. That said, the US military did get somethings right.

you go to war with the army you have" Corrections have been slow and insufficient. Certainly it is about what we do now. We can certainly point out the problems of that past, though -- make sure they are noted so we don't do them again.

That was the stupidest lie Rumsfled ever said. He insisted on too few soldiers. Bush was wrong to stick with him as long as he did. The Surge is the needed correction & it's working. Abandoning it now would be to fail to learn from past mistakes.

I have no idea if leaving iraq will be a disaster for America. It doesn't come as obvious to me that it is a fact, though. It seems there is a lot assumption that goes on there and no one can really predict the outcome of events.

Leaving Iraq now will ar best result in a horrendous civil war, drawing in neighbors & expanding into a regional war. At worst, it will be handing Iraq over to the Iranians & will doom them to an evil theocratic dictatorship, With nuclear weapons and half of the world's conventional oil reserves. You can't see what's so bad about that? Dear God!

542 nikis-knight  Thu, May 15, 2008 3:49:23pm

Bush has more of a responsibility to be an elder statesman than Olbermann. He has failed at being a uniter and his comments were un-presidential.Bush's job is NOT to be a uniter. It is to keep people safe. If people are commited to an ideology of apeasement, he can NEVER unite them with those who want to confront evil. And un-presidential or not, Olbermann distorted it (lied) then condemned him for it. Of course, he's a hate-mongering con man, so nothing new.

543 nikis-knight  Thu, May 15, 2008 3:51:49pm

re: #542 nikis-knight

pimf, should have quoted first line, sorry.
Oh, and;

To reduce any American in a claim that they don't understand the horrors of terrorist attacks is a bigger problem, in my opinion, than a talking head not mentioning each horrific act every 1-hour show they produce.

If he compares America to AQI, then he badly misunderstands one or both. Nevermind he doesn't mention any (not every) terrorist act each show, he condemns the president fighting evil vile men much more than those men. THAT is the problem.

544 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 5:51:50pm

re: #542 nikis-knight

Bush has more of a responsibility to be an elder statesman than Olbermann. He has failed at being a uniter and his comments were un-presidential.Bush's job is NOT to be a uniter. It is to keep people safe. If people are commited to an ideology of apeasement, he can NEVER unite them with those who want to confront evil. And un-presidential or not, Olbermann distorted it (lied) then condemned him for it. Of course, he's a hate-mongering con man, so nothing new.

the president's job is both inward and outward facing.

He's failed at both.

545 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 5:55:59pm

re: #543 nikis-knight

pimf, should have quoted first line, sorry.
Oh, and;


If he compares America to AQI, then he badly misunderstands one or both. Nevermind he doesn't mention any (not every) terrorist act each show, he condemns the president fighting evil vile men much more than those men. THAT is the problem.

I haven't heard the comments on comparing America to AQI. It seems far-fetched, as far-fetched as saying Olbermann is condemning the president for fighting evil vile men.

He is condemning the president for [fighting evil vile men] in such a flippant manner that he endangers us more than if he had actually done his job correctly.

546 keithgabryelski  Thu, May 15, 2008 6:04:55pm

re: #541 Kenneth

Leaving Iraq now will ar best result in a horrendous civil war, drawing in neighbors & expanding into a regional war. At worst, it will be handing Iraq over to the Iranians & will doom them to an evil theocratic dictatorship, With nuclear weapons and half of the world's conventional oil reserves. You can't see what's so bad about that? Dear God!

1) he seemed pretty well contained. I understand we have a difference of opinion here, but the oil for food fiasco is minor compared to outcome we have now.

2) you claim my distraction comment is a talking point -- i'm not sure I can persuade you otherwise,but I said it the day we invaded iraq, you'll have to take me at my word.

It surprises me you don't believe it is a distraction, though -- and that it hasn't caused other, more important items, to fall off the table.

3) leaving saddam in power would have left him, marginally, status quo. Even if I were to give him some wins in the last 5 years he still would not have caused more problems for us than what we have done during this invasion.

Maybe we could have done better in the whole thing and this would have come out as an advantage for us , for the people of iraq, and for the world -- but, as you said, it is about what we do now.

And on that: Barack Obama has not asked for a full pull out of Iraq immediately. He has, many times, stated a withdrawal from iraq that uses more thought than was used on entry to iraq.

You assume that means pull out higgly-piggly -- i do not assume that, so I do not assume the problems you lay out.

547 Charles  Thu, May 15, 2008 7:14:43pm

Wow. You're still spinning?

Spin on, little dreidel.

548 joan  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:34:37am

Olbermann the Dudgeonmaster

549 joan  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:40:07am

Dudgeonmaster Olbermann longs for plaudits and laurels, a Pulitzer, an Emmy, the Murrow. He's a sweating propagandist and turnip. So sad and pedestrian.

550 keithgabryelski  Fri, May 16, 2008 1:22:34pm

re: #547 Charles

Wow. You're still spinning?

Spin on, little dreidel.

Were you referring to my post?

What specifically was I spinning?

Care to attempt a reply that does not include ridicule?


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