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CAIR's Image Makeover

Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:43:19 am PDT

Tyler Hurd is a St. Cloud State University student plagued by seizures following a childhood accident, and has a service dog who is trained to sit on him when a seizure strikes, to prevent him from hurting himself.

A Muslim student at the school threatened to kill the dog.

Now the Hamas-linked, Saudi-funded radical Islamic front group calling itself the Council on American Islamic Relations is getting out in front of the press to support Tyler Hurd: Islamic group supports student teacher.

The only reason they are on the right side of this issue is because they need to rehabilitate their image, after being listed as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation terrorism trial. Expect to see more empty gestures like this from CAIR.

And of course, in this article at the St. Cloud Times, you won’t find any of this context, as once again CAIR is simply (and dishonestly) described as “the nation’s largest Islamic civil liberties group.”

A Muslim civil rights group on Wednesday said it supports a St. Cloud State University student’s right to use a service dog while teaching at a high school with a growing Muslim population.

The statement comes after 23-year-old Tyler Hurd of Mahtomedi left a teacher-training assignment before its completion at Technical High School in April.

Hurd said he left because he was concerned for the safety of his service dog.

He said he was told a student at the high school threatened to kill the dog, a black Lab named Emmitt.

The student is Muslim. The Minnesota Chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations said in a statement that the need to accommodate people using service dogs far outweighs the discomfort an individual Muslim feels about coming in contact with a dog. CAIR is the nation’s largest Islamic civil liberties group.

“We were just shocked to see that. He (Hurd) was treated with disrespect,” Lori Saroya said in an interview.

She lives in Minneapolis and is chairwoman of the Minnesota chapter.

Muslims believe the saliva of dogs invalidates the ritual washing before prayer. It has become a cultural norm for individuals not to have dogs in their houses, according to Minnesota CAIR.

UPDATE at 5/15/08 10:24:07 am:

Here’s how CAIR describes the Islamic prohibition against dogs, and the SC Times accepts it at face value:

Muslims believe the saliva of dogs invalidates the ritual washing before prayer. It has become a cultural norm for individuals not to have dogs in their houses, according to Minnesota CAIR.

This description is ludicrously incomplete, to the point of being a deliberate deception. The hadith says that Muslims should not only avoid touching dogs—they should kill them.

(Hat tip: SpringheelJack.)

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1 Ben Hur  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:44:28am

Nice try.

2 bosforus  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:45:18am

And the worst part about this story is that this shallow image makeover crap will actually work on most Americans.

3 Ben Hur  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:45:37am

Embarrassment Will Bring Victory.

4 MrSilverDragon  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:45:48am

I have to call "bullshit" on the line "We were just shocked to see that."

And so, it is called.

5 MandyManners  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:46:01am
6 MandyManners  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:46:22am

Is the Obama baby gonna' be here?

7 NoSubmission  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:46:37am

Threatened to kill a service dog. What a lowlife piece of ___.

8 lawhawk  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:47:02am

This is an example of the broken clock theory in action. It's also going to be cited ad infinitum every time someone (like Charles, Hot Air, Ace, The Jawas, Spencer, Malkin, or anyone else (and apologies to those I left off the abbreviated list)) cites CAIRs criminal ties to terrorist groups and ongoing status as unindicted coconspirators in terror cases.

They'll say - hey we did good by this guy here. In this case.

In this one case.

All the while, their other CAIR leaders are busy undermining civil liberties in this country by pushing Islamic doctrine on everyone else.

9 Creeping Eruption  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:47:19am

re: #7 NoSubmission

Threatened to kill a service dog. What a lowlife piece of ___.

ROP at its finest.

10 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:47:30am

Okay, they say this but for some reason I don't believe them.

11 lawhawk  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:48:07am

Come to think of it, CAIR had no choice but to come out as it did. If they didn't, their wholly transparent agenda would have shone through.

12 Gordon Marock  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:49:42am

With respect to CAIR's efforts, as the saying goes, "That dog won't hunt"

13 wrenchwench  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:49:57am

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it still has two sow's ears and nowhere to put pearls.

14 shanec99  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:50:25am

Next CAIR will apologize to every Jew because Minister Farrakhan called Judaism a gutter religion. Darn a winged pig just flew by my window.

I should not be so sarcastic should I?

15 bosforus  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:50:41am

Most people don't even know what CAIR is and if the first thing they hear about them is that they like puppies they'll never feel it necessary to change their minds about them. By virtue of being called a 'civil rights group' they already dupe most people.

16 Ben Hur  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:51:19am

re: #2 bosforus

And the worst part about this story is that this shallow image makeover crap will actually work on most Americans.


So true.

Much like the sudden appearence of 20000000 million American flags behind Baruch following the Rev Wright fiasco.

So blatant, and so much silience from the MSM.

17 MandyManners  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:51:26am

We know who you really are, Hoopie.

HT: EC Marm.

18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:51:42am
outweighs the discomfort an individual Muslim

HERESY!

19 HBob  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:51:43am

Makes me think puppy kisses are Holy.

20 Sizzlack  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:51:45am

We've been discussing this issue on another message board I frequent. Numerous people came out and literally tried to shut the discussion down, saying that asshole kids will be asshole kids and that religion has nothing to do with it. They refuse to even accept the possibility that this incident was caused by religion. And because they didn't like the fact that it was posted, they went around calling anyone who responded a racist and tried to frame the issue solely on the "kids will be kids" argument.

21 bubbasbbq  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:51:54am

#13 Wrenchwench

I think you summed it up nicely.

22 Dianna  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:52:22am

This never should have happened; the administrators of that school have laid out a golden opportunity for CAIR, no matter what happens.

I'm just disgusted.

23 MandyManners  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:52:27am

re: #13 wrenchwench

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it still has two sow's ears and nowhere to put pearls.

Yes, it does.
HT NY Nana.

24 stead63  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:52:36am

Next step will be "PETA -Loves CAIR!"

25 bosforus  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:52:38am

re: #16 Ben Hur

So true.

Much like the sudden appearence of 20000000 million American flags behind Baruch following the Rev Wright fiasco.

So blatant, and so much silience from the MSM.

As much of an increase in interest as there is this political season, unless you're actively trying to put things together and connect the dots, you'll never be close to knowing what's going on.

26 The Other Les  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:52:44am

re: #14 shanec99

Next CAIR will apologize to every Jew because Minister Farrakhan called Judaism a gutter religion. Darn a winged pig just flew by my window.

I should not be so sarcastic should I?

I would never call Islam a gutter religion.

(Yes, this is sarcasm.)

27 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:52:50am

re: #20 Sizzlack

We've been discussing this issue on another message board I frequent. Numerous people came out and literally tried to shut the discussion down, saying that asshole kids will be asshole kids and that religion has nothing to do with it. They refuse to even accept the possibility that this incident was caused by religion. And because they didn't like the fact that it was posted, they went around calling anyone who responded a racist and tried to frame the issue solely on the "kids will be kids" argument.

Well MY kids would not have done that!

28 Sizzlack  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:53:16am

re: #20 Sizzlack

And when I tried to say something along the lines of "this isn't Somalia, if you can't deal with our customs you need to go back to Somalia", I took quite a bit of heat suggesting that foreigners should attempt to assimilate to our culture/society. Someone said our sense of entitlement was beyond them. Ahhhwhaa?

29 MandyManners  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:53:19am

re: #20 Sizzlack

We've been discussing this issue on another message board I frequent. Numerous people came out and literally tried to shut the discussion down, saying that asshole kids will be asshole kids and that religion has nothing to do with it. They refuse to even accept the possibility that this incident was caused by religion. And because they didn't like the fact that it was posted, they went around calling anyone who responded a racist and tried to frame the issue solely on the "kids will be kids" argument.

Didja' tell them that Islam is not a race?

30 Dianna  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:54:11am

re: #20 Sizzlack

No, kids will not be kids. Threatening to kill a service dog on "religious" grounds is anything but being a kid.

And what were the administrators thinking?

31 opnion  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:54:23am

They are seeking good PR & their enablers will cite meaningless gestures like this.. I don't buy it.
The whole reason that dogs are dissed by the RoP is because the Prophet was afraid of them. Dogs know.
What about the Pious RoPer who made the threat? Any info.?

32 JohnnyReb  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:54:33am

No way these knuckleheads will ever take over the US. I mean how many dogs are there in this country? Must be millions of them. They will have to deal with them first. If most dog owners are like me and the wife, if you tried to do something with our kids, your done.

Anyway they are scared of dogs. One of the guys that used to work for me ran off every time they brought the military working dogs in the building. And no he didn't do drugs.

33 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:54:52am
34 Gordon Marock  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:55:00am

Headline: "CAIR Claims Compassion for Canine in Calculated Campaign to Counter Criticism."

35 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:55:09am

re: #30 Dianna

No, kids will not be kids. Threatening to kill a service dog on "religious" grounds is anything but being a kid.

And what were the administrators thinking?

Those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach, administrate.

36 Dianna  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:55:34am

re: #28 Sizzlack

Then why are they here? I don't get this, and never have.

37 Sharmuta  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:55:42am
“We were just shocked to see that. He (Hurd) was treated with disrespect,” Lori Saroya said in an interview.

Yeah- shocked. Right. Because muslims in Minnesota have never had problems with dogs before.

38 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:55:58am

Wow, they're really going out on a limb here.

Not buying it. Although word is Tim Townsend (a/k/a Burger Boy) is getting a tingle up his leg.

39 shanec99  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:56:15am

re: #26 The Other Les

I would never call Islam a gutter religion.

(Yes, this is sarcasm.)


Why would you call Islam a gutter religion?

Gutters help us to rid communities of of refuse that could cause illnesses don't they. Do you think that Islam does anything to improve life in a community?

If you can cite one, I would be interested to see the evidence to back up the allegation.

40 wrenchwench  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:56:55am

re: #23 MandyManners

Yes, it does.
HT NY Nana.


Oh, that's priceless! Still wouldn't wanna kiss it, though.

41 opnion  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:57:06am

re: #28 Sizzlack

And when I tried to say something along the lines of "this isn't Somalia, if you can't deal with our customs you need to go back to Somalia", I took quite a bit of heat suggesting that foreigners should attempt to assimilate to our culture/society. Someone said our sense of entitlement was beyond them. Ahhhwhaa?


A society that 'Celebrates Diversity", what divides us at the expense of what unites us is in serious trouble.

42 Gordon Marock  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:57:15am

I'll get you and your little dog too.

43 bosforus  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:57:19am

re: #38 JammieWearingFool

Wow, they're really going out on a limb here.

Not buying it. Although word is Tim Townsend (a/k/a Burger Boy) is getting a tingle up his leg.

Hopefully it's just a dog taking a piss on him.

44 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:58:34am
45 The Other Les  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:58:37am

re: #39 shanec99

Why would you call Islam a gutter religion?

Gutters help us to rid communities of of refuse that could cause illnesses don't they. Do you think that Islam does anything to improve life in a community?

If you can cite one, I would be interested to see the evidence to back up the allegation.

I would never insult a gutter.

46 SpringheelJack  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:58:59am

Islamic hostility to dogs goes far beyond "Muslims believe the saliva of dogs invalidates the ritual washing before prayer"

The Hadith devotes a whole chapter on how dogs should be killed

47 Sizzlack  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:59:18am

re: #30 Dianna

The admins stayed out of it. The discussion wasn't shut down but those opposed to the article certainly made everyone else feel very unwelcome.

48 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:59:49am
Muslims believe the saliva of dogs invalidates the ritual washing before prayer


Silly.

49 Sizzlack  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:00:26am

re: #41 opnion

I made the argument (which happens to be CAIRs argument) that the supposed "delicate sensibilities" of a religious person (no matter the religion) do not trump the physical well being of another individual. Sometimes you just need to deal with your feelings being hurt, especially if it involves a service dog and a disabled person.

50 hayseed  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:00:47am

re: #48 Killgore Trout

Mohammod was a cat person

/jus sayin

51 jhn1  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:01:01am

So a Minneapolis taxi driver should be able to refuse to pick up a person having a service dog, but they support this TA's right to not have the dog killed out of hand.
Not necessarily inconsistent.
As long as the CAIR counter-protests also include that the TA is not allowed to teach a class that might have a Muslim student.
If not, then yes, they are grandstanding, and the Minneapolis press should include the prior CAIR stance on a Muslim cabbie's rights to violate federal and state law re: service dogs.

52 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:01:33am

re: #32 JohnnyReb

No way these knuckleheads will ever take over the US. I mean how many dogs are there in this country? Must be millions of them. They will have to deal with them first. If most dog owners are like me and the wife, if you tried to do something with our kids, your done.

Anyway they are scared of dogs. One of the guys that used to work for me ran off every time they brought the military working dogs in the building. And no he didn't do drugs.

We have seven dogs. Three are standard poodles; the other four are toys. The standards are very protective. Don't mess with them.

When I was in the Explorers, we got a tour of Otis AFB, (mostly the ANG section), including the kennels where they trained and kept the guard dogs.
If the kid TOUCHED the service dog, he should be thrown in with the guard dogs for a while. And, if he didn't move, he'd be safe. Probably wet himself, but the dogs are very well trained.

53 shanec99  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:01:36am

re: #45 The Other Les

Gutters are useful... can we say the same about devout Muslims like: Osama bin Laden
Mullah Omar
Ahmadinejad
Al Sadr

54 MandyManners  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:03:07am

re: #33 buzzsawmonkey

I thought that the quality of life in Islamic nations indicated it was a race to the bottom.

Heh.


HT: EC Marm

55 Bill Jefferson  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:05:58am

Wait, I thought it was because a puppy impeded Gabriel from reaching Mohammed during one of his seizures. (If Mo had had a service dog, we might have been spared the Koran.) Now it is because a dog's saliva invalidates ritual washing? Like if a dog licks me after I wash but before I pray, I have to wash up again? Not that I can't pet the dog, not that I can't have the dog apart from me in the same classroom, and certainly not I have to kill the dog because it happens to exist in the same school building? These people are nuts.

56 The Other Les  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:06:55am

re: #53 shanec99

No. But carrion eaters have to eat too.

57 Psaturn  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:08:05am

"Islamic civil liberty group"....Talk about an oxymoron !

58 USA  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:09:30am

OUCH

Speaking to the Israeli Knesset, President Bush indirectly slammed Obama as an “appeaser”. Click here for the ABC video (you have to endure a commercial before the clip starts).

Obama confirms his own lack of literacy in history with his response.

For the benefit of Obama supporters - the most historically, culturally and politically illiterate population of voters in the nation’s history - follow this linkto read about the contribution of Chamberlain’s policies of appeasement to genocide and world war in which hundreds of millions of people were slaughtered... all unnecessary but inevitable because of Chamberlain. Bush is right, Obama is nothing more than Chamberlain with a tan.

59 Sharmuta  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:11:21am

re: #51 jhn1

I guess the city of Minneapolis is having vendor issues, so I can't link the law, but IIRC it's a violation for them to deny cab service to the handicapped.

However- they did try to deny dogs, booze, and the GLTG community in the past, so I'm not buying that this cair shill chick was "shocked".

60 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:11:54am

Well here's a shocker for you. CA Supreme court upholds Gay marriage.

61 HBob  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:12:34am

re: #58 USA

OUCH

Listening to it now on Prager - a great speech.

62 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:12:48am

re: #60 Nevergiveup

Well here's a shocker for you. CA Supreme court upholds Gay marriage.

Well to be more accurate, they overturned the Gay marriage ban.

63 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:13:09am

re: #60 Nevergiveup

Well here's a shocker for you. CA Supreme court upholds Gay marriage.

So much for the voice of the people, CA voted against it years ago.

64 USA  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:13:26am

re: #61 HBob

I'm listening, too. Thanks.

65 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:13:45am

re: #63 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So much for the voice of the people, CA voted against it years ago.

Well you know the Dems don't trust the people after all!

66 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:14:53am

re: #50 hayseed

Mohammod was a cat person

/jus sayin

Maybe Basement Cat.

Ain't no way he was anything like Ceiling Cat.

67 markie  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:14:53am

Earth to CAIR:

Gonna take more than that to fool enough of us.

notice I didn't use the word convince.

68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:15:18am

re: #65 Nevergiveup

Well you know the Dems don't trust the people after all!

LOWLY PLEBIANS! Get back to your shanties!

69 KenJen  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:15:58am

I have three dogs. They love to go for walks, ride in the car, go to the park, snuggle on the sofa and invalidate ritual washings.

70 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:16:03am

re: #68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LOWLY PLEBIANS! Get back to your shanties!

The Dems know what's best for us wether we like it or not!

71 XMarine  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:16:29am

Now I have to think a little. Perhaps we are being a bit cynical about CAIR. Maybe CAIR really has had a change of heart ... 1/9999th of a second later - I remain cynical.

On the bright side, perhaps CAIR has been forced to update it image because so many of us are on to them. They could be reluctantly back stepping.

72 Noam Sayin'  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:16:34am

Who is Lori Saroya and what is the Council on Crime and Justice?

73 chinesearithmetic  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:17:04am

Islam's not even as sick as a dog.

74 chinesearithmetic  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:17:20am

It's sicker.

75 Sharmuta  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:17:30am

re: #55 Bill Jefferson

Dogs have an eerie ability to sense good and bad in people. My guess is the dogs mohammed came in contact with didn't like him, so the problem was the dogs.

76 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:18:20am
77 Noam Sayin'  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:18:34am

re: #59 Sharmuta

However- they did try to deny dogs, booze, and the GLTG community in the past, so I'm not buying that this cair shill chick was "shocked".

But then, they're trying to rewrite that little piece of history. See my link in the spinoffs.

78 hayseed  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:19:06am

re: #62 Nevergiveup

Well to be more accurate, they overturned the Gay marriage ban.

don't have to worry about them things in SW Ohio. don't get me wrong when i was in the plumbing biz I did work for gays and they paid good money also.my next door neighbor is s lesbian and we drink beer out on my deck she shocked me last week when she told me she was getting married to a man.lol

79 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:20:20am

Hezbollah 'to restore normality'

The deputy leader of the mainly Shia political and militant movement, Naim Qassam, told a news conference Hezbollah would return the situation in Lebanon back "to normal".

The BBC's Crispin Thorold in Beirut says the government in effect backed down, retracting demands the head of airport security be moved from his job and Hezbollah's private phone system be shut down.

The network is a key element of the Hezbollah's military capability and what it calls the "weapons of resistance" against Israel.

God help the people of Lebanon

80 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:21:27am

re: #78 hayseed

don't have to worry about them things in SW Ohio. don't get me wrong when i was in the plumbing biz I did work for gays and they paid good money also.my next door neighbor is s lesbian and we drink beer out on my deck she shocked me last week when she told me she was getting married to a man.lol

Does that count as half a gay marriage?

81 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:21:40am

re: #79 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hezbollah 'to restore normality'

God help the people of Lebanon

G-D helps those who help themselves. I am sure I heard that somewhere?

82 Terp Mole  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:22:36am

I'd also like to point out how bigotted, ignorant and intolerant it is of CAIR to condemn the spiritual commitment of Muslims who follow Hadith's on killing dogs.

By what authority does CAIR excommunicate (takfir) their devout jihadist brethren when they practice dog killing to enforce anti-canine fatwas?

Since the prerogative to issue apostacy fatwas is granted only to their dead false prophet, or authoritative representatives of their mythical Ummah, which is CAIR invoking?

Have their handlers of the Apartheid Kingdom of Saudi Arabia or the Muslim Brotherhood approved CAIR's pro-canine fatwa?

CAIR must take Muhammad at his word. Don’t deceive yourselves and pretend that Muhammad didn’t say to kill the dogs. Take a stand. Either obey Muhammad, or admit that Muhammad was wrong and was a wacko.

83 Dianna  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:23:01am

re: #60 Nevergiveup

Oh, dear. The voters don't mean anything.

84 yesandno  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:23:30am

Some things cannot be "made" over. Once the cow pie leaves the cow, there is just no going back.

Take CAIR........

/take them, please.

85 XMarine  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:23:47am

Sharmuta, please accept a belated thank you for answering the question I had yesterday.

Regarding the City of Minneapolis, it never ceases to surprise me how fast they trash some of our most basic human rights in favour of a bunch of misogynistic, backward barbarians and their "religious beliefs," many of which cannot even be found in their "holy" book.

86 Ben Hur  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:24:06am

Am I the only one that that is being driven crazy by the irony of the Baruch and left complaining about Pres Bush's "political attack" on Baruch?

Doesn't the MSM have a responsibility to point out the hypocrisy?

Of course not, because they've been in on it for 8 years.

I know, they're just a bullhorn, nothing else.

87 jcm  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:24:25am

...

88 Sharmuta  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:24:39am

re: #77 Noam Sayin'

Good find, Noam- gave you a ding for that.

89 Ben Hur  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:24:46am

re: #79 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hezbollah 'to restore normality'


God help the people of Lebanon


G-d help the BBC, for they know exactly what they are doing.

90 jcm  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:25:07am

re: #87 jcm

...

That didn't work...

< ----- Olbermadman troll, come on back and take a whack.

91 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:25:15am

re: #89 Ben Hur

G-d help the BBC, for they know exactly what they are doing.

There is a special place in hell for them.

92 Sharmuta  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:25:34am

re: #85 XMarine

? I'm sorry- what question was that?

93 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:25:40am

re: #75 Sharmuta

Dogs have an eerie ability to sense good and bad in people. My guess is the dogs mohammed came in contact with didn't like him, so the problem was the dogs.

Yes! Yes! Yes!

94 The Other Les  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:26:40am

re: #91 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There is a special place in hell for them.

Fall guy in a continuous loop Monty Python sketch?

95 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:27:55am

re: #94 The Other Les

Fall guy in a continuous loop Monty Python sketch?

I was thinking more like boiled in a vat of feces while skewered with electric barbs but ok.

96 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:28:41am

I don't trust anybody who doesn't like dogs.
Especially black dogs.

/and my nic has nothing to do with my relatives

97 XMarine  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:29:59am

Going OT here:
Sharmuta, it was about the origin of the quote regarding the democrat choice between a lawyer married to a bitch and a bitch married to a lawyer. It was you who said it came from a Danish source, wasn't it?
(Now I have a sudden desire for pastry and a cup of coffee. I wonder why.)

98 Sharmuta  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:30:02am

re: #85 XMarine

Sharmuta, please accept a belated thank you for answering the question I had yesterday.

Regarding the City of Minneapolis, it never ceases to surprise me how fast they trash some of our most basic human rights in favour of a bunch of misogynistic, backward barbarians and their "religious beliefs," many of which cannot even be found in their "holy" book.

To be fair to the city of Minneapolis and the MAC (Minneapolis Airports Commission) they listened to the public, and refused to play along with the muslims- and no small thanks goes to Charles and LGFers for their assistance in bringing attention to the matter.

99 madisonsfriend  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:30:15am

So now I have to walk the dog at the same time I drop the package of Oscar Meyer pork dogs at the embassy of a muslim country. i am afraid the dog will eat the hot dogs but perhaps the presence of the pork & the canine will be enough?

100 Tumulus11  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:32:09am
#46 SpringheelJack 5/15/08 9:58:59 am


. The Muslim student may have regarded the black service dog as a Devil.

How much accomodation should be afforded to a religion that teaches murderous insanity?


He said he was told a student at the high school threatened to kill the dog, a black Lab named Emmitt.


'He (the Holy Prophet further) said: It is your duty [to kill] the jet-black (dog) having two spots (on the eyes), for it is a devil.'
// Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 10, Number 3813
101 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:32:40am
102 Duane  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:33:30am

Michael Vick should have used this as a defense

103 bosforus  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:33:55am

re: #101 song_and_dance_man

Is there anything Muslims don't want to kill or destroy?

I was about to say 'other Muslims' but that's not even true.

104 Sharmuta  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:34:30am

re: #97 XMarine

No- it wasn't me, but you're sweet to be thankful.

And on that note- since you're an XMarine- thank you for your service!

105 opnion  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:34:42am

re: #50 hayseed

Mohammod was a cat person

/jus sayin


Figures

106 Sharmuta  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:34:47am

re: #101 song_and_dance_man

Is there anything Muslims don't want to kill or destroy?

The koran?

107 madisonsfriend  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:34:52am

re: #101 song_and_dance_man

Is there anything Muslims don't want to kill or destroy?

The un Human Rights Council, unRWA and the BBC

108 incanus  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:35:31am

re: #63 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So much for the voice of the people, CA voted against it years ago.

Ve haf vays of ... educatink people.

109 bosforus  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:35:54am

re: #102 Duane

Michael Vick should have used this as a defense

Now he's got use one of these as his defense.

110 The Other Les  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:36:20am

re: #95 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I was thinking more like boiled in a vat of feces while skewered with electric barbs but ok.

It's the BBC.

111 bosforus  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:36:21am

re: #109 bosforus

Now he's got to use one of these as his defense.

112 hayseed  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:36:42am

re: #80 CyanSnowHawk

for all i know the hot black lesbien may be involved also.
I willget herto come over and have some drinks

really she is hot,,,,,when they neede me to help plant this things I was johnny on the spot

113 MandyManners  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:36:45am

re: #96 Son of the Black Dog

I don't trust anybody who doesn't like dogs.
Especially black dogs.

/and my nic has nothing to do with my relatives

Just for you!

114 pat  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:36:50am

I don't get this dog business. They are all over the Middle East. Saudi royalty has them as pets.

115 bosforus  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:37:36am

re: #114 pat

I don't get this dog business. They are all over the Middle East. Saudi royalty has them as pets.

What royalty say and what royalty do have no correlation in the matter.

116 pat  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:39:15am

And why are a bunch of desert pirates called royalty in the first place?

117 Alouette  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:39:30am

re: #107 madisonsfriend

The un Human Rights Council, unRWA and the BBC

And Jimmy Carter.

118 Sharmuta  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:40:04am

re: #114 pat

I don't get this dog business. They are all over the Middle East. Saudi royalty has them as pets.

I'm not sure if you'll find bigger hypocrites on the face of the earth than the house of saud.

119 Ojoe  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:40:25am
120 Alouette  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:40:29am

re: #116 pat

And why are a bunch of desert pirates called royalty in the first place?

The Brits put a crown on their heads and gave them a kingdom of their very own to rule over.

121 pat  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:40:40am

What is really disturbing is the way the school threw this guy under the bus. Not a second thought, in spite of Federal and State law and that pesky US Constitution.

122 Sol Roth  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:40:40am

I must refrain from posting on this subject as I do for most of the incidents like this. I refrain for the benefit of LGF.

123 Bigzy  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:40:41am

ATTENTION ALL LIZARDS

Please oh please take the time to comment on the SCTimes website.

This is my home town and the web site for this paper is rife with libtards. Esp John Ellenbacker and Jazzman. BTW John is the former Uber-liberal mayor that took a trouncing in the last election.

It is sad to see the blindness of Central MN in regards to CAIR and the agenda behind it.

124 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:41:00am
125 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:41:21am

re: #114 pat

Yes, it's one of those weird things. Many Muslims have pet dogs in the Middle east and Asia but it becomes a problem in Minneapolis. Same with the taxi drivers not wanting to serves customers carrying booze. I've been served booze by Muslims in North Africa and Asia but in Minneapolis people can't get in a cab. I guess sometimes the radicalization takes place far from Mecca.

126 pat  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:41:37am

re: #120 Alouette

I can pick up one of them crowns at Burger King. My dog all ready thinks I am royalty.

127 bosforus  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:41:41am

re: #119 Ojoe

All dogs go to heaven. Heaven is full of dogs.

In dog heaven I imagine service dogs to be the leaders.

128 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:42:08am

re: #116 pat

And why are a bunch of desert pirates called royalty in the first place?


I think they were installed by the Ottomans.
/not sure

129 The Other Les  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:42:16am

re: #116 pat

And why are a bunch of desert pirates called royalty in the first place?

Because "democrat" implies some level of accountability to the subject population.

130 Ojoe  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:43:53am

re: #127 bosforus

Yes, and they won't let bad people into the place, the dogs are patrolling the boundaries.

131 pat  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:44:06am

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Yup. Last I checked, they still make beer in Turkey and Egypt. Iraq used to be a huge manufacturer of hard liquor, sold throughout the ME, and completely legal in a number of countries.

132 opnion  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:46:08am

re: #121 pat

What is really disturbing is the way the school threw this guy under the bus. Not a second thought, in spite of Federal and State law and that pesky US Constitution.

If the school was aware of the threat & took no action t against the Muslim Student &made no effort to protect this student teacher, they are most likely civlly liable.
Does anyone know if any action was taken against the Muslim Student?

133 TS  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:46:13am

Imagine all the people who had their dogs killed by Muslims since the time of Muhammed. Islam; it's meant to create heartache.
And, what a ridiculous, stupid belief that dog saliva invalidates their prayer! How infantile.
Muhammed probably got bit by a dog because he was trying to rape, hurt, or murder it's owner, or dogs just sensed the evil of the man and therefore, the dog was a devil! Yeah, right, suuuree...the dog was the devil, uh-huh.

134 kuffarharbi  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:46:23am

These guys are missing out big time. Dog saliva is anti-bacterial and has healing properties.

[Link: www.gi.alaska.edu...]

135 Orbit Rain  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:47:07am

John McCain: "...we are rivals for the same power..."

...just heard that on Limbaugh, let me just say that it is an asshole who seeks election for the power instead of serving his fellow man...

McCain is another power hungry jackass.

136 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:47:16am

re: #131 pat

Yup. Last I checked, they still make beer in Turkey and Egypt. Iraq used to be a huge manufacturer of hard liquor, sold throughout the ME, and completely legal in a number of countries.

Point of parliamentary procedure here: I doubt you would want to drink any beer produced in Egypt. It has a rather unsavory reputation.

137 ridemedic  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:47:24am

Ripley & Haley are sitting here with me and they can't believe it either.
C'mere Rip, where's your sis . . .... sit . . ... good dogs. Here's a treat.
Hey, why don't we go get ourselves another dog? Yeah? OK!

138 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:47:47am

re: #135 Orbit Rain

John McCain: "...we are rivals for the same power..."

...just heard that on Limbaugh, let me just say that it is an asshole who seeks election for the power instead of serving his fellow man...

McCain is another power hungry jackass.

But he is OUR jackass.

139 Ojoe  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:48:24am

re: #135 Orbit Rain

The country is in a bad way.

140 pat  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:49:00am

re: #132 opnion

According to the initial article, non whatsoever.

141 ratherdashing  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:49:46am

While kill the Emmit the dog when you can just pet him with paper over your hand.


Hurd trained at Talahi Community School and Tech. He said his experience at Talahi was good. The Somali students there warmed to the dog and eventually petted him using paper to keep their hands off his fur, Hurd said.

link

142 Shr_Nfr  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:49:48am

To be fair to Mo, the dogs not used in hunting and herding in the area had a tendency to be feral and some of them were therefore rabid. The saliva thing actually made sense at the time. However, the continued practice is an anachronisms these days. But of course the Muslims back themselves into the corner where anything that 'ol Mo said is good forever. Hardly the case. Welcome to a cult, please check your brain at the brain check in room, you won't need it. Not unique to Islam but unfortunately the case, and a problem given the number of them around who are "observant".

143 Amy  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:49:52am
Students in the class in which Hurd was training have invited him back, Watkins said. The student who is believed to have made the comments that got back to Hurd has been spoken to and understands the words are upsetting, Watkins said. He said the boy told Tech staff he did not mean them the way they were taken.

What part of "I'm gonna kill that dog" was misinterpreted? And would this proto-Islamic supremacist care whether threatening to kill somebody's dog is "upsetting" to a lousy kaffir if he thinks he would be carrying out the dictates of his religion by killing it? Why wasn't this a**hole disciplined?

Minnesota CAIR said it will continue to work with the Muslim community in Minnesota to educate them about their Islamic and legal duty to accommodate those using service or guide dogs.

In other words, it's perfectly OK to kill dogs unless they're service or guide dogs?

144 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:49:58am
145 madisonsfriend  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:50:07am

re: #135 Orbit Rain

John McCain: "...we are rivals for the same power..."

...just heard that on Limbaugh, let me just say that it is an asshole who seeks election for the power instead of serving his fellow man...

McCain is another power hungry jackass.


Well, when you find a politician who seeks election to actually serve the people instead of looking for current or future gain- you let me know. I vote, I always vote- and i am usually disappointed eventually.

146 opnion  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:52:00am

re: #134 kuffarharbi

These guys are missing out big time. Dog saliva is anti-bacterial and has healing properties.

[Link: www.gi.alaska.edu...]


My wife got a bad cancer diagnoses over 10 years ago.
Praise the Lord she is cured.
The point here is that our dog was a pup. I am telling you that the dog sensed it. She had to be pryed away from wife for meals & to go out etc.
Our dog knew & wanted to protect her. What society does not like dogs?

147 Sharmuta  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:52:58am

re: #125 Killgore Trout

From a long ago post- the wahabbis have been in Minnesota a loooong time:

In 1969, a group of Muslim students who chose to make Minnesota their permanent home formally started the Islamic Center of Minnesota. With financial assistance from King Faisal of Saudi Arabia, the Muslim community purchased the first Islamic Center building on the Dinkytown Campus of the University of Minnesota.

148 madisonsfriend  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:53:02am

re: #143 Amy

In other words, it's perfectly OK to kill dogs unless they're service or guide dogs?


Well, not in so many words but......

149 madisonsfriend  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:53:42am

re: #147 Sharmuta

"dinkytown"?

150 Amy  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:54:32am

re: #134 kuffarharbi

Absolutely so. Every time I had a cut and my dog licked it, it healed practically overnight and never got infected. I've always wondered why the pharmaceutical industry doesn't pursue developing a topical ointment that contains whatever it is in dog saliva that promotes healing.

151 FreeIowa  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:55:34am

Does the Obama family have a Dog?

152 Amy  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:55:51am

re: #148 madisonsfriend

Right. I'm sure CAIR would not have bothered to pipe up if the dog had just been the guy's pet.

153 opnion  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:56:30am

re: #135 Orbit Rain

John McCain: "...we are rivals for the same power..."

...just heard that on Limbaugh, let me just say that it is an asshole who seeks election for the power instead of serving his fellow man...

McCain is another power hungry jackass.


Indeed he is. He might be the less evil of three lessers, but I do not think that I have a candidate this year.
McCain really disrespects Conservative and thinks that our knuckles are sore from dragging them. News to McCain, you are not smart enough to think that we are all stupid.

154 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:56:44am

re: #146 opnion

My wife got a bad cancer diagnoses over 10 years ago.
Praise the Lord she is cured.
The point here is that our dog was a pup. I am telling you that the dog sensed it. She had to be pryed away from wife for meals & to go out etc.
Our dog knew & wanted to protect her. What society does not like dogs?

Well, I think you answered your own question. When my wife was pregnant, our cats knew and never left her side or sat on her stomach.

155 Sharmuta  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:58:20am

re: #149 madisonsfriend

That's the name of one of the commercial areas around the U of MN.

156 Orbit Rain  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:58:31am

I've been hearing a lot of "McCain is the lesser of the three evils" lately. I suppose when we have low expectations of those whom we elect, we get what we deserve.

157 incanus  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:59:18am

re: #149 madisonsfriend

"dinkytown"?

Yup, Dinkytown. Come visit!

158 kuffarharbi  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:59:24am

re: #146 opnion

My wife got a bad cancer diagnoses over 10 years ago.
Praise the Lord she is cured.
The point here is that our dog was a pup. I am telling you that the dog sensed it. She had to be pryed away from wife for meals & to go out etc.
Our dog knew & wanted to protect her. What society does not like dogs?

A sick loveless one.

Here's a good read. Best book I've read on our four legged friends.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

159 offendi  Thu, May 15, 2008 10:59:52am

How Neville Hussein Obama would finesse this :

"Well...you see I believe he is taking snippets of the Koran, out-of-context, this is not the Koran I have known been aware of the last 20 years. I can no more renounce the Somali youth wanna-be dog killer than I can my typical white grandmother. We must transcend race, did I mention this was a black lab? Thank you, no questions at this time sweetie. "

160 opnion  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:00:19am

re: #154 Nevergiveup

Well, I think you answered your own question. When my wife was pregnant, our cats knew and never left her side or sat on her stomach.


Animals seem to have a sixth sense. I am not realkly that familiar wit cats , but I know dogs. It sounds like the same thing.
If dogs did not like Mohammad it is because they sensed the evil in him.

161 Land Shark  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:00:21am

The Koran clearly says that Mo wanted them to kill dogs. Period, end of story. Of course, it's par for the course, they are part of the long list of people and animals Islam wants dead. If there was any truth in advertising, Islam would be called "Killslam" or "Deathslam."

162 opnion  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:02:12am

re: #158 kuffarharbi

A sick loveless one.

Here's a good read. Best book I've read on our four legged friends.
It lokks like a good read. Try "Marley & Me."

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

163 Orbit Rain  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:02:51am

lol, wrote 156 before reading 153

..someone asked me if there was anything Obama or Clinton could say to persuade me to vote for them, the answer was no, but I was never asked if McCain would say something that would make me *not* vote for him...

There may come a point where McCain is going to throw himself under the bus.

164 Sunlight  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:04:24am

This article is sneaky. Here you have this guy with his dog in a situation common in the U.S. The helper dogs are everywhere and quite pleasant to have around *in the U.S.*. So then these folks go to his school and THREATEN TO KILL HIS DOG because of their imported views. And CAIR implies that the dog right is somehow in question and that the guy with the dog will benefit from their (CAIR's) support in his disputed "claim". Puhleeez. To be credible, CAIR would need to say that *in the U.S.* the law is set up for these fabulous dogs and their mainstreamed owner/operators. And that if their Muslim membership doesn't want to have dogs around, then either go to some private school that will cater to them or go live in a country that thinks killing dogs and threatening and isolating people who have the dogs and may not be able to go mainstream without the dogs is the thing to do.

CAIR's response presents this as a disputed right. There is no dispute in the U.S.

165 opnion  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:04:49am

re: #156 Orbit Rain

I've been hearing a lot of "McCain is the lesser of the three evils" lately. I suppose when we have low expectations of those whom we elect, we get what we deserve.


I think that what happened is that the media & Dems promoted McCain & it worked.
In open primaries Dems crossed over for McCain. They did not want to run against Romney.

166 kuffarharbi  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:04:52am

re: #161 Land Shark

The Koran clearly says that Mo wanted them to kill dogs. Period, end of story. Of course, it's par for the course, they are part of the long list of people and animals Islam wants dead. If there was any truth in advertising, Islam would be called "Killslam" or "Deathslam."

Islam loathes anything that manifests unconditional love, spontaneity and innocence.

167 opnion  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:06:50am

re: #164 Sunlight

You nailed it

168 Amy  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:07:03am

re: #164 Sunlight

CAIR's response presents this as a disputed right. There is no dispute in the U.S.

Not really. The article says:

Minnesota CAIR said it will continue to work with the Muslim community in Minnesota to educate them about their Islamic and legal duty to accommodate those using service or guide dogs.

169 yma o hyd  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:07:08am

re: #96 Son of the Black Dog

I don't trust anybody who doesn't like dogs.
Especially black dogs.

/and my nic has nothing to do with my relatives

Do black-and-white dogs qualify?

170 hayseed[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:10:49am
171 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:16:37am

re: #169 yma o hyd

Do black-and-white dogs qualify?

They sure do. There's no such thing as a bad dog - only bad owners.

172 formercorpsman  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:32:15am

re: #170 hayseed

hayseed, I dare to ask, what the hell are you talkin about?

173 sparrowlake  Thu, May 15, 2008 11:59:32am

re: #142 Shr_Nfr

To be fair to Mo, the dogs not used in hunting and herding in the area had a tendency to be feral and some of them were therefore rabid. The saliva thing actually made sense at the time. However, the continued practice is an anachronisms these days. But of course the Muslims back themselves into the corner where anything that 'ol Mo said is good forever. Hardly the case. Welcome to a cult, please check your brain at the brain check in room, you won't need it. Not unique to Islam but unfortunately the case, and a problem given the number of them around who are "observant".

The Muslim prohibition against Muslims having dogs as pets is not the real problem for non-Muslims. That prohibition in itself would be tolerable on the basis that it is a personal matter of choice.
The real problem for non-Muslims is that these observant Muslims are inclined to harm or kill the pet dogs of non-Muslims and to begrudge their ownership to other people. Coupled with Islam's institutional arrogance and lack of respect for any conflicting customs of non-Muslims and hostility to laws of non-Muslim civil societies which conflict with Sharia, this results in a potential source of lawlessness and cruelty to animals which should be intolerable in a free society.
Just as with other Muslim prohibitions such as not touching forbidden foods or not being near alcohol, these religious customs have become sources of grievances and conflict with non-Muslims. And non-Muslim societies' traditions of tolerance and accommodation for minorities have in many cases allowed Muslims to force their parochial foreign practices down the throats of non-Muslims with virtual impunity.
Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on one's point of view, many non-Muslims have become sick and tired of being bullied in this fashion by Muslims and by their own politically correct bureacracies alike. The resulting feelings of increased resentment and frustration do not bode well for the maintenance of social harmony and cohesion.

174 jenv  Thu, May 15, 2008 12:20:15pm

re: #131 pat

Yup. Last I checked, they still make beer in Turkey and Egypt.


Turkey is starting to crack down hard on liquor sales, including Christian to Christian sales, by canceling or refusing renewal of the relevant licenses. Only a matter of time, in my opinion, before the Kemalists are completely ousted.

175 Amy  Thu, May 15, 2008 12:20:41pm

re: #173 sparrowlake

Excellent analysis and right on the money.

176 J.S.  Thu, May 15, 2008 12:22:51pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Exactly. And, there is a special breed of dog (used by Arabs in desert terrains) as hunting dogs. These dogs (special Arab variety) hunt purely by sight (due to desert conditions)...not scent. One of the breeds is (iirc) the ancestor of the grey hounds. (Oh, and the poster who claimed that the hatred of dogs is "in the Koran" is wrong -- it's not "in the Koran" -- it's in a hadith...it's about ritual purity.)

177 Amy  Thu, May 15, 2008 12:23:59pm

re: #170 hayseed

Not only are you spelling and punctuation impaired, but your post is offensive.

And before you think about getting cute: no, I'm neither black nor a lesbian.

178 Sunlight  Thu, May 15, 2008 12:25:20pm

re: #173 sparrowlake

The Muslim prohibition against Muslims having dogs as pets is not the real problem for non-Muslims. That prohibition in itself would be tolerable on the basis that it is a personal matter of choice.
The real problem for non-Muslims is that these observant Muslims are inclined to harm or kill the pet dogs of non-Muslims and to begrudge their ownership to other people. Coupled with Islam's institutional arrogance and lack of respect for any conflicting customs of non-Muslims and hostility to laws of non-Muslim civil societies which conflict with Sharia, this results in a potential source of lawlessness and cruelty to animals which should be intolerable in a free society.
Just as with other Muslim prohibitions such as not touching forbidden foods or not being near alcohol, these religious customs have become sources of grievances and conflict with non-Muslims. And non-Muslim societies' traditions of tolerance and accommodation for minorities have in many cases allowed Muslims to force their parochial foreign practices down the throats of non-Muslims with virtual impunity.
Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on one's point of view, many non-Muslims have become sick and tired of being bullied in this fashion by Muslims and by their own politically correct bureacracies alike. The resulting feelings of increased resentment and frustration do not bode well for the maintenance of social harmony and cohesion.

A much more scholarly wording than my rant in 164. But same point. I, however, disagree with your very last sentence. I think as we figure out what is happening, LAW ENFORCEMENT will kick in. Our social harmony and cohesion happen because of our rule of law. That's when CAIR's sneaky approach sticks out like a sore thumb. Because their wording addresses rights that are not under dispute because they are encoded in the LAW. CAIR has no credibility.

179 Adamski  Thu, May 15, 2008 12:31:12pm

Days later and the school did nothing to the student making the threat because they deemed the threat to "not be direct."

No reporter has the balls to ask for a clarification on how the threat was indirect?

180 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, May 15, 2008 12:31:44pm
181 J.S.  Thu, May 15, 2008 12:53:51pm

The breed is called Saluki -- here's a site.

182 J.S.  Thu, May 15, 2008 1:07:47pm

Also, if one follows the "USC-MSA compendium of Muslim texts" --and the sayings -- the business about killing dogs -- comes under the heading "Chapter 31: Command of killing dogs and then its abrogation, and prohibition of keeping them but for hunting and protection of lands or cattle or like that". Many of these hadith (they have to be assessed), some are not followed (they're abrogated)...(it all has to due with tracing out the line of "authority" -- in other words, was the saying "authentic?" or "not authentic." etc)

183 J.S.  Thu, May 15, 2008 1:10:55pm

and the bit that's being quoted (about killing dogs, followed by its abrogation) comes from "The Book of Transactions (Kitab Al-Buyu`)" which deals (primarily) with buying and selling (including the buying and selling of dogs, cats, etc.)

184 jamsler  Thu, May 15, 2008 1:23:21pm

re: #106 Sharmuta

Fissile material. They like that.

185 jamsler  Thu, May 15, 2008 1:29:52pm

If you try to kill my dog, you'd better be wearing a Kevlar burkha.

186 Amy  Thu, May 15, 2008 1:33:52pm

re: #180 ploome hineni

Hey, Ploomie! How goes it?

I guess so, but that kind of nonsense has no place here. If you click the guy's avatar, you'll see that he has posted thousands of comments, so he apparently is not a drive-by troll and should he held accountable for that trash.

187 Amy  Thu, May 15, 2008 1:35:07pm

Oops! Should be held accountable...

188 J.S.  Thu, May 15, 2008 2:03:54pm

In fairness, of course, there is the Canaan dog -- the following is from the Canada-Israel Committee:

"Israel has its own dog breed. The Canaan Dog traces its roots to biblical times when it served as a herding dog for the ancient Israelites. According to the Canadian Kennel Club, the Canaan is alert, quick to react, distrustful of strangers, strongly defensive but not naturally aggressive, and is known for its devotion. It was re-domesticated in the 1930s as a working dog for the Haganah, the precursor of the Israel Defense Forces, and is now an internationally recognized breed."

189 J.S.  Thu, May 15, 2008 2:08:38pm

re: #184 jamsler

Well, from what I hear, the Arabs also hold competitions -- to find the best Saluki...or "My Saluki is better than your Saluki" (like those camel beauty contests)...(also hear that Salukis -- as is true of other hounds -- can "sing" -- don't know if they hold contests for the best-singing Saluki though...)

190 MrTunes  Thu, May 15, 2008 3:24:25pm

There are few customs of Islam that might interfere with my life, but the dislike for dogs is one of them. I love dogs and always will, and I am tempted to fly into Minnesota just to antagonize some cab drivers.

191 Shay4l  Thu, May 15, 2008 6:05:48pm

Islam, a major supposed religion, actually has strictures against DOGS in their holy book? Curious!


Dogs can sense when something is wrong....

192 Charles  Thu, May 15, 2008 9:06:59pm

'hayseed' is out of here. I don't believe the freaks who are coming out of the woodwork this week.

193 Amy  Sat, May 17, 2008 7:27:55am

re: #192 Charles

Thank you, Charles.


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