Screw reuters. Fake pictures, posed pictures, Anti-Israel and Anti- Jewish crap all the time.

President George W. Bush told Israelis on Thursday they were a “chosen people” who can forever count on American support against enemies like Hamas and Iran.

STANDING AND APPLAUDING!

_{now lets put some muscle where our mouth is}

Clinton said that if Israel were ever existentially threatened he would PERSONALLY come fight in the trenches for her.

/somehow this doesn't get mentioned.

He wasn't speaking in front of that farce, the PA parliment, why would he bring up Palestinians.

Piss off Reuters and Palestinians! It's Israel's party, if you don't like it, go and whine with your man the Obama.

Matt Spetalnick and Tabassum Zakaria

The names of the ones who dropped this pantload.

The president’s language in Israel has dismayed Palestinians looking for the U.S. superpower to mediate in their negotiations with Israel.

In a different light I would smile on this statement with approval.

Ain't a Christian in the world who should not be referring to the Jewish Nation as God's Chosen People. Biblical.

The hardest thing to understand about Christian Anti-Semitics (for me anyway).

Bush said that, looking ahead another 60 years in the future, “the Palestinian people will have the homeland they have long dreamed of and deserved.”

/just wanted to single out the comment that will get the most discussion here.

FUCK YOU, REUTERS!

gee, I'd like to give them a kick in the butt along with a smack upside the collective Reuters head. Why should Bush talk about Arab lies at a celebration for Israel? And what about the 500,000 Jews forced out of Arab lands because of the creation of Israel? The Palis could have stayed- they chose to leave and the Arb countries declared war on Israel. Reuters adds faux history to fauxtography

Palestinians looking for the U.S. superpower to mediate in their negotiations with Israel

Who in the heck is this referring to?

How many Palis were seriously thinking of the US as a mediator?

Get a load of this.

re: #4 WrathofG-d

Clinton said that if Israel were ever existentially threatened he would PERSONALLY come fight in the trenches for her.

/somehow this doesn't get mentioned.

He said he would get in the trenches and fight AND DIE.

Maybe Reuters has a personal grudge?

They want to portray Bush as he goes out of office as some sort of unfortunate religious Christian ( which is always bad) and a Bible nut that thinks the Jews actually have some right to be there.

I'm in a foul mood.

Where's the cat?

and had delivered a “slap in the face” to those Palestinians who placed their hopes in him.

Lucky for them it was only there and not a WWF Smackdown.

And look at the picture.

They have to ape everything Israel does.

Reuters Is No Longer Unbaised

re: #14 MandyManners

GMTA

So is Reuters going to argue in favor of the British or the Indians come July 4th?

re: #10 WrathofG-d

yeah, cuz we know W's fulla shit if he really thinks he can have it both ways!

Time to give this story a one-star vote - and write the Al-Reuters ombudsman (if they have such a thing). Maybe if enough people were to flag this disgraceful story they will be forced to take it down - never seen any rubbish worse than this...

re: #11 MandyManners

FUCK YOU, REUTERS!

Don't hold back Mandy!
;-)

Has anyone else noticed that the bias from the MSM is becoming more blatant with each passing day? I guess they think that it's a forgone conclusion that a lefty will be POTUS come November. Perhaps that emboldens them to "come out of the liberal closet". As Charles says they aren't even bothering to hide their biases anymore. I've heard for years that the MSM is in the tank for the Dems but I never thought they'd be this outrageously open about it.

re: #9 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I hear that, I always say, how can you worship a Jewish God and then turnaround and hate the Jewish people, Isn’t that oxymoronic?

Reuters rooting.

^{ot.ish: Who does the MSM think is in power to make these decisions?}

why would pres. bush make anything more than fleeting references to the palis aspirations for statehood? they have no aspirations for statehood. they have aspirations to annihilate israel, drive the jews into the sea and take over the whole region.

Bush made only fleeting reference to their aspirations for a state of their own in a speech marking Israel's 60th anniversary that was laced with references to God.

Laced with opium.

re: #30 DownRightMeanAmerican

I hear that, I always say, how can you worship a Jewish God and then turnaround and hate the Jewish people, Isn’t that oxymoronic?

I don't think God has a religion and I am Jewish. The Muslims think everyone is Muslim or should be and lots of anti-semites have no real religion at all.

Reuters is for goiters.

re: #28 buzzsawmonkey

Nakba, Nakba!

Who's there?

Reuters!

Reuters who?

You Reuters get your facts straight before you publish an article!

LOL!

re: #25 paxnhymn

eh..chem....eh chem, world...Bush....Reuters....MSM.......can we all say.....trans-JORDAN!

Trans-Jordan: The State the Arab-Palestinians GOT and deserved!

Reuters...
SUFYW.

(Shut Up and Finish Your Waffle)

re: #32 WrathofG-d

Warthog, how do you manage to get your links in a different point size, and sometimes superscripted?

God Bless President Bush....Ive been one of the leading critics of him and his administration, but sometimes he gets it right.

re: #19 MandyManners

I'm in a foul mood.

Where's the cat?

Here's one. Turnin' up the heat for ya'.

re: #27 jcm

Don't hold back Mandy!
;-)

I try not to. It's bad for the BP.

re: #34 Ben Hur

Laced with opium.

Ohhhh! GWB is getting all clingy.

C'mon, I'm sure Reuters references the AP all the time when they have corporate functions.

...delivered a "slap in the face"...

We need to deliver more than just words.

/ 12 ton flour a day, hearing aids, cell phones, motorbikes...

AND he was mean to Obama too. Bastard.

The writers at Reuters are balanced between those who want to kill the Jewish state and those who want to kill every Jew.

Of the Palestinians, half of whom were pushed into exile to make way for the Jewish state,

The only ones who did the pushing were the Arabs states, who told them to leave until the Jews were pushed into the sea.

re: #40 joncelli
< sup > Text < / sup >

The hate is palpable.

/BTW Reuters - I mean yours for W - not some contrived Bush-as-Satan journalistic BS.

re: #51 WrathofG-d

[Start Vader voice] Impressive. Most impressive. [End Vader voice]

AFP uses scare quotes in photo of masked person waving AK-47

Everybody is free to re-post this any place they want.

I don't even need a hat tip.

GO
VIRAL,
R

re: #29 redheadredstate

Has anyone else noticed that the bias from the MSM is becoming more blatant with each passing day? I guess they think that it's a forgone conclusion that a lefty will be POTUS come November. Perhaps that emboldens them to "come out of the liberal closet". As Charles says they aren't even bothering to hide their biases anymore. I've heard for years that the MSM is in the tank for the Dems but I never thought they'd be this outrageously open about it.

10 years ago, they used to claim it was important to remain objective as news agencies, and employed all manner of moral equivalence to make it appear that they were impartial while bashing all that was and is good and right with America.

They no longer maintain that pretense....

Right.

Having a birthday celebration and not mentioning the man who tried to kill you is a slap in the face.

Strangely suicide terror bombings are not.

re: #50 zevy

Had the Arabs not begun their war to exterminate the newly formed Jewish state on May 15, 1948, Israel would be three tiny slivers of land, and the Arab-Palestinians would be living on all that they claim to be pre-1967 "palestine".

re: #39 jcm

Reuters...
SUFYW.

(Shut Up and Finish Your Waffle)

May they choke on that waffle.

Bush described the “bonds of the Book” — faith in the Bible shared by Christians like himself and Jews — as bolstering an “unbreakable” alliance between Israel and the United States.

'Scuse me, but isn't "people of the Book" how Muslims refer to Christians and Jews -- that is, when they're not denouncing them as infidel scum, Crusaders and Zionist ape-pigs who must be exterminated?

re: #54 Alouette

AFP uses scare quotes in photo of masked person waving AK-47

"Reuters"
"AFP"

I'm gonna' be up all night now.

Olbermann is feeding this article into his TelePrompter as we type.

It's not just Reuters that publishes this crap - and that's exactly what it is.

AP is busy doing the same thing.

re: #54 Alouette

AFP uses scare quotes in photo of masked person waving AK-47

Why didn't I bring up my kids to be terrorists? i must be a negligent mom.

It's my least favorite line in Jerry Maguire. It's witless and irritating. But for the first time, just this once, I'll say it.

BOO!
FREAKIN!
HOO!

re: #55 Render

Everybody is free to re-post this any place they want.

I don't even need a hat tip.

GO
VIRAL,
R

Well, there is one Jew left in Afghanistan.

re: #59 Squirrelguy

May they choke on that waffle.

After BHO I'm going to have trouble going into an IHOP and ordering waffles.

re: #19 MandyManners

I'm in a foul mood.

Where's the cat?

I've noticed you using the word fuck a lot today throughout the threads.

Well obviously we should mediate negotiations between Hamas and Fatah, to see who gets to kill the joooos.

On National Palestinian Radio this morning, Renee Montaigne said something to the effect of, "Aside from barely mentioning the palestinian people, what else was in Bush's speech?"

lemme see. . .
Jimmy Carter is a washed-up turd that went over to heap praise on the terrorists, and George Bush is a sitting U.S. President who simply visited the country on its 60th anniversary and re-stated U.S. policy regarding Israel.
Does this crap from Reuters really surprise anyone? Yes, it's stomach-turning, but also to be expected.

re: #4 WrathofG-d,

Everyone knew Clinton was lying. Reuters is afraid Bush is telling the truth.

re: #67 jcm

After BHO I'm going to have trouble going into an IHOP and ordering waffles.

Pancakes.

OT, but has anyone read or heard anything about downsizing at the WashPost today? They were going to fire/downsize/offer buyouts to loads of people there today.

/world can't wait for old media to go room temperature!

re: #67 jcm

After BHO I'm going to have trouble going into an IHOP and ordering waffles.

Leggo my egghead. (Apologies to Eggos everywhere)

re: #58 WrathofG-d

That would be ignoring the fact that the Arab countries that sought to destroy Israel in 1948 didn't turn around and create a Palestinian state on the territories, but rather subsumed them into their own. The West Bank and Gaza were part of Jordan and Egypt respectively. Palestinians could have gotten a state from their brethren, but didn't. And wouldn't.

re: #68 Creeping Eruption

I've noticed you using the word fuck a lot today throughout the threads.

Really?

re: #48 Peacekeeper

AND he was mean to Obama too. Bastard.

well, Hussein's can always get a group hug from his new "pastor" and farakhook...

This article is a "slap in the face" of anyone who thinks Reuters might provide factual reportage rather than thinly veiled, anti-Israel opinion pieces.

The team of authors make no mention of Israel's brave battles for survival over the past 60 years. No mention of the wars waged by neighbours on all fronts. No mention of the torrent of Palestinian genocide attacks that Israel has had to endure.

They don't mention how the Zionists took a baron, war-ravaged region and made it a revered model of technological, agricultural and medical expertise.

They don't mention how, despite the constant threat of obliteration over the past 60 years, Israel has human rights and freedoms that its neighbours in the Middle East haven't been able to develop in years of comparative peace and security.

They concentrates on painting prosaic pictures of oppressed Palestinians and a religious freak President, idolised by evil Israeli land grabbers.

Reuters should no longer be regarded as a "news" agency. When it merely offers opinion - especially such obvious, transparently biased opinion, it joins the duller ends of the blogosphere.

The Palis want the US to force Israel to surrender.

I am, though, disappointed in Bush in that he's still saying that he wants a Pali state, not conditional on their giving up terrorism.
He should be saying
"There will be a Palestinan state when the Palestinians accept Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state. Until that unequivocal statement is made, the US will treat the Palestinians as an enemy of an ally, and act accordingly."

re: #63 lawhawk

It's not just Reuters that publishes this crap - and that's exactly what it is.

AP is busy doing the same thing.

Wow. They bring up the Palis already in the 2nd paragraph.

re: #58 WrathofG-d

Had the Arabs not begun their war to exterminate the newly formed Jewish state on May 15, 1948, Israel would be three tiny slivers of land, and the Arab-Palestinians would be living on all that they claim to be pre-1967 "palestine".

Start a war.
Lose a war.
Tango Sierra.

re: #77 lawhawk

The Arab-Palestinians GOT their state, its JORDAN!

re: #78 MandyManners

Really?

Yup. You have not been your usually restrained self today.

/

re: #71 wrenchwench

On National Palestinian Radio this morning, Renee Montaigne said something to the effect of, "Aside from barely mentioning the palestinian people, what else was in Bush's speech?"

yeah, I wrote two days ago about the NPR stories "celebrating" Israel's birthda
y- the one I heard and the one being previewed were - of course- negative .

re: #74 MandyManners

Pancakes.

Pancakes, try ordering pancakes with a straight face.

I'll take a stack with a side of D-9!

“SLAP IN THE FACE”

It's a start.

But a kick in the ass and waterboarding would be better.

The MSM apparently thinks Bush was addressing the Palestinian "parliment."

And if or when he does, I'm sure they'll scream, "Bush doesn't mention Joos! Slap in the face!"

re: #68 Creeping Eruption

I've noticed you using the word fuck a lot today throughout the threads.

Somebody's mussing the cashmere.

And here is more of the same vile anti-Israel propaganda from the BBC, that bastion of impartiality and objective reporting. Notice how they emphasise the 'Naqba' and take it for granted as an historical event. It's pretty clear whose narrative they choose to believe.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

re: #75 alegrias

Not new for them-at least twice now in the past 5- 7 years they have offered buyouts to older more expensive writers. Some did come back on contract though

half of whom were pushed into exile to make way for the Jewish state

WTF?!

We Jews know a thing or two about exile, and what we have here is not an exile. 1948 was not an exile. It was attempt to exterminate every Jew in nascent Israel. And they failed.

The withdrawal of the Jewish communities from Gaza in 2005 was an exile. I can list about 400 different countries and times in history when the Jews were killed and pushed into exile, finally landing in our historical and ancestral homeland.

Of the 7 million Israelis, 1.5 million of them are Arabs, so don't give me that pushed-into-exile crap! Go f yourselves. I'll just sit here on my apartheid ass and think of ways to torture baby palestinian arabs.

re: #90 jcm

Somebody's mussing the cashmere.

. . .again

Palis won't negotiate without preconditions.
Pssst, someone tell Obama.

re: #68 Creeping Eruption

I've noticed you using the word fuck a lot today throughout the threads.

For Mandy, that's like any other person saying, "so," "uh," "like," "you know"

Calling Bush "the leader of evil in the world," Hamas official Sami Abu Zuhri said the group would never grow weak.

Just more proof that Hamas gets its talking points from Olbermann ..

re: #85 Creeping Eruption

Yup. You have not been your usually restrained self today.

/

Blame the tides.

re: #90 jcm

Somebody's mussing the cashmere.

NEVER muss Mandy's cashmere.

It's not as if the truth isn't prominently available:

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Sure, the Nakba is just like the Holocaust...

... if, during the Holocaust, it had been other JEWS building camps and forcing the Jews to rot in them for 60 years, as the Arabs have done to their "brothers"...

... oh, and yeah, if there had been no mass exterminations of Jews in that other Holocaust....

re: #101 quickjustice

It's not as if the truth isn't prominently available:

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

But that would mean someone in the MSm wanted the truth. Personally, I think there is Arab money involved in the ad stream for prominent news outlets willing to prostitute themselves- which means all of them

re: #101 quickjustice

It's not as if the truth isn't prominently available:

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

You're assuming that journalists at Reuters are required to know how to read.

re: #91 kuffarharbi

And here is more of the same vile anti-Israel propaganda from the BBC, that bastion of impartiality and objective reporting. Notice how they emphasise the 'Naqba' and take it for granted as an historical event. It's pretty clear whose narrative they choose to believe.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

"It is time this mankind's shame, which is called the Palestinian people's Nakba, to end."

Sirens sounded across the Palestinian territories during two minutes of silence for those who fled or were expelled in the conflict that followed Israel's declaration of independence.

You can't tell me that I am the only one noticing this!

REPLACEMENT HISTORY AND CULTURE.

The siren is pure propoganda, unless the Palis used air sirens to mark solemn holidays before the Israelis did.

The big truth is that there was a provision for a Jordyptian country, but their arab neighbors convinced them to flee while they crushed young israel. when that didn't work out, their arab brothers would not let them integrate into their societies and instead, keeping them as perpetual refugees

re: #92 madisonsfriend

Not new for them-at least twice now in the past 5- 7 years they have offered buyouts to older more expensive writers. Some did come back on contract though

* * *
Supposedly even the WashPost's top editor was on the chopping block, how great is that!

In a perfect world, they might have to relocate to where their audience is...in the caliphate.

re: #102 stuiec

Sure, the Nakba is just like the Holocaust...

... if, during the Holocaust, it had been other JEWS building camps and forcing the Jews to rot in them for 60 years, as the Arabs have done to their "brothers"...

... oh, and yeah, if there had been no mass exterminations of Jews in that other Holocaust....

Or if the result of the "Nakba" was not the increase in Palis every year- birth rate, better nfant mortality and increased health care- totally the result of Israel's help.

Good morning as it is morning here in Nippon.

"F" Reuters
Bush probably was talking about Obama and Bush was right
Gay Marriage? Not sure Civil Union is not better but the State does not have the right to tell people who they can make a contract with. Let Gays marry, but no gay guy I know really want:s to be married. Bet Gay divorice rate will be 3x straight.
"F Daily Kos

Have a nice day

re: #97 turn

Calling Bush "the leader of evil in the world," Hamas official Sami Abu Zuhri said the group would never grow weak.

Just more proof that Hamas gets its talking points from Olbermann ..

I object! I have been named the embodiment of all evil in the world! (By a socialist, of course.)

Reuters:

AFP

AP

Of the Palestinians, half of whom were pushed into exile to make way for the Jewish state,

-- Reuters.
Actually, when the UN proposed a partition, it was the leadership of the Arab Palestinians as well as the Arab states that rejected the partition proposal. while Israel accepted it. Instead of accepting partition, the Arab states went to war against Israel, seeking to annihilate its people.

"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades." -- Arab League Sec. Gen. Azzam Pasha, May 15, 1948, the day 5 Arab armies invaded the new state of Israel.

What bothers these Reuters bastards so much is that the Arab armies that invaded Israel did not succeed in carrying out their "war of extermination and a momentous massacre".

The Arab Palestinians left mainly because they were called upon by their leaders and by the Arab states to leave, in order that the extermination of the Jews could proceed without having to worry about collateral damage. They were told that they would return after Israel was wiped out and its people slaughtered. It didn't happen that way, and that is what has the Reuters bastards so upset.

As for wanting a state of their own, polls show that 3 out of 4 Palis polled have, as their main objective, ending the existence of the Jewish state. That means that they are not for coexistence with a Jewish state -- they are for eliminating the Jewish state. They want land as a temporary measure, to be used as a base for waging war and terrorism against Israel.

The Reuters bastards are in the tank for the elimination of Israel, just as are 3 out of 4 Palis. Like Abbas, the Reuters bastards see the elimination of Israel as being something that can be gained by the womb, by bringing into Israel millions of hostile Arabs who were not born in Israel and who have never set foot in Israel.

re: #105 Ben Hur

You can't tell me that I am the only one noticing this!

REPLACEMENT HISTORY AND CULTURE.

The siren is pure propoganda, unless the Palis used air sirens to mark solemn holidays before the Israelis did.

Just like Mo: buncha' thieves.

re: #111 The Other Les

I object! I have been named the embodiment of all evil in the world! (By a socialist, of course.)

You too, huh?

Yahoo Photos: All "naqba" all the time

re: #4 WrathofG-d

Can you really picture Bill CLinton getting in the trenches to fight for anyone? Hillary, maybe...at least one sense that kind of strength. But _Bill_...well, maybe if they lined up a hundred plump Israeli girls and let him choose his reward, but otherwise, no way.

In other words, even if al Reuters remembered, they wouldn't have taken it seriously, neither would Israel, and neither should we.

re: #114 MandyManners

It drives me nuts.

They actually refer to Arabs outside of Arabia as the Diaspora.

Teach your children well

re: #99 MandyManners

Blame the tides.

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

re: #111 The Other Les

I object! I have been named the embodiment of all evil in the world! (By a socialist, of course.)

You mean the shoe fit?

Sorry for the OT comment, fellas:

None other than Interpol has said the data in killed FARC leader Raul Reyes' laptops are authentic. Guess what, they prove Thuggo Chavez is in bed with leftwing terrorists FARC.

/no surprise there

BBL

Words have connotations. Shameless Reuters counts on people never significantly challenging it on the connotations of its language, so its "reporters" may freely continue loading up on the nasty anti-Bush and anti-Israel insinuations.

The unwary and the uncritical always swallow such language hook, line, and sinker. It is deplorable to see such wholesale disdain for even-handedness or journalistic discipline in an organization so monolithic.

How many times have the Palis been offered a State now?
5 IIRC.

What happens each time?

The Palis and supporters increase the level of violence against Israel EACH TIME!

Makes perfect sense when you think about it.
Make a demand.
Blow up women and children to underline point.
When major concessions are made to the demands.
Blow up more women and children in protest of the demands being met.
Perfectly logical.
///////////////////

Who's the Reuterian visiting us today?

re: #113 EE

It was never about having a state. It was about finishing what Hitler and the Haj started.

"The president’s language in Israel has dismayed Palestinians looking for the U.S. superpower to mediate in their negotiations with Israel."

HA! And double-effing HA! WTF do the "dismayed" Palis think has been going on for effing YEARS? They've blown (no pun intended) every opportunity in negotiations with Israel.

That is the most badly written piece in terms of facts and logic that I think I have ever read.

re: #122 vascaino4

Sorry for the OT comment, fellas:

None other than Interpol has said the data in killed FARC leader Raul Reyes' laptops are authentic. Guess what, they prove Thuggo Chavez is in bed with leftwing terrorists FARC.

/no surprise there

That should be a green light for Colombia to kick Chavez' ass.

re: #115 Squirrelguy

You too, huh?

I said we should shoot back at them.

re: #118 Ben Hur

It drives me nuts.

They actually refer to Arabs outside of Arabia as the Diaspora.

Islam, the Religion of Kleptomania.

*foul words dancing through head*

re: #64 madisonsfriend

Why didn't I bring up my kids to be terrorists? i must be a negligent mom.

my advice to anyone nowadays is to just not have kids....I'm afraid for my own now!

re: #121 turn

You mean the shoe fit?

Jungle boots actually.

re: #122 vascaino4

Sorry for the OT comment, fellas:

None other than Interpol has said the data in killed FARC leader Raul Reyes' laptops are authentic. Guess what, they prove Thuggo Chavez is in bed with leftwing terrorists FARC.

/no surprise there

* * *
Did you see today Hugo Chavez is threatening Colombia if Colombia lets the US build a base in Guajira, Colombia?

re: #129 Ward Cleaver

That should be a green light for Colombia to kick Chavez' ass.

Dreeeam. Dream Dream Dream
Dreeeam. Dream Dream Dream

re: #117 Tom Kratman

Can you really picture Bill CLinton getting in the trenches to fight for anyone?

Maybe for a zaftig intern with big hair...

re: #134 The Other Les

Jungle Jackboots actually.

Sorry. :-)

I wonder how President Bush will be viewed in the future?

I remember President Reagan being called the worst in history during and at the end of his term, yes he was considered by some to be even worst than Jimmy.

Now today with 20/20 hindsight and 20 years later, even dhimmcrats invoke his name and proclaim him as one of the greatest.

So I predict that 20 years from now dhimmcrats will be pandering about the good old days of President Bush #43.

re: #137 joncelli

Maybe for a zaftig intern with big hair...

And a blue dress.

re: #68 Creeping Eruption

I've noticed you using the word fuck a lot today throughout the threads.

it's not a word..it's an acronym..

What we get for our commitment to creating another Arab-Palestinan State

and this

Arab Propaganda All Around (Pic, Caption, etc)

That article could just as easily have been written by Obama's foreign policy advisers. And if elected ( over my dead body ) --Israel-- Hold onto you asses because guess what- More is going to be coming down the pike!

re: #58 WrathofG-d

Had the Arabs not begun their war to exterminate the newly formed Jewish state on May 15, 1948, Israel would be three tiny slivers of land, and the Arab-Palestinians would be living on all that they claim to be pre-1967 "palestine".

I'm skeptical of that. Israel, as originally partitioned, was indefensible. There had to be a war and there had to be expansion. Now the Arabs were pretty cooperative in fostering that war (series of wars, really), but it was (they were) coming anyway.

re: #141 Squirrelguy

And a blue dress.

Intern with a blue dress, blue dress, blue dress
Intern with a blue dress on!

re: #35 madisonsfriend

I would agree.

Seems the only world leader Obama doesn't listen to is the one in his own country.

Basking in ovations on the second day of a farewell visit to a country where his presidency is hailed as a golden age

Is that a joke? Israelis like GW even less than Americans.

the Palestinian people will have the homeland they have long dreamed of and deserved.

And quotes such as this are the reason why.

re: #145 Tom Kratman

I'm skeptical of that. Israel, as originally partitioned, was indefensible. There had to be a war and there had to be expansion. Now the Arabs were pretty cooperative in fostering that war (series of wars, really), but it was (they were) coming anyway.

As a practical matter, you are correct. But the fact remains that Israel accepted partition. The Arabs did not.

re: #146 taxfreekiller

Who's the chicken poop?

re: #135 alegrias

Yeah, I saw it. Did you know the so-called Venezuelan army 'offensive' to the common border with Colombia, a few weeks ago, was stopped short by twenty cabbies on strike blocking the highway westbound from Caracas? I'm not kidding' here.

That's the army Chavez is threatening Colombia with.

re: #150 AW

Israelis appreciate President Bush very much.

re: #151 Nevergiveup

As a practical matter, you are correct. But the fact remains that Israel accepted partition. The Arabs did not.

If the Arabs did not have the desire to murder every Jew and destroy Israel, any border would be defensible.

re: #133 paxnhymn

my advice to anyone nowadays is to just not have kids....I'm afraid for my own now!

* * *
Please don't discourage family formation among those who can. They are the building blocks & bulwarks of Western Civ!

re: #153 vascaino4

Yeah, I saw it. Did you know the so-called Venezuelan army 'offensive' to the common border with Colombia, a few weeks ago, was stopped short by twenty cabbies on strike blocking the highway westbound from Caracas? I'm not kidding' here.

That's the army Chavez is threatening Colombia with.

I seriously think I hurt something laughing.

Another thing I found quite telling about this Reuters article is the huge number of their people with "additional reporting" , the Reuter's folks were practically waiting in line to pile it on.

"(Additional reporting by Jeffrey Heller and Brenda Gazzar in Jerusalem, Mohammed Assadi and Ali Sawafta in Ramallah, Haitham Tamimi in Hebron and Nidal al-Mughrabi in Gaza, writing by Alastair Macdonald; Editing by Elizabeth Piper)"

re: #154 Nevergiveup

Israelis appreciate President Bush very much.

The ones who still support Olmert too.

re: #153 vascaino4

Oh my gosh. That's hilarious, are you serious? HA! Do you have a link for that?

/a photo would be even bettah roflol

re: #156 alegrias

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Please don't discourage family formation among those who can. They are the building blocks & bulwarks of Western Civ!

Exactly. And considering the biological impossibility of gay marriage producing offspring...but I digress.

re: #12 madisonsfriend

And what about the 500,000 Jews forced out of Arab lands because of the creation of Israel?

It was more like 850,000, none of whom have ever been given a penny for all of the property they were forced to leave behind.

I am signing off, but before I do, I wanted to link to this article in the Chicago Tribune about a new Jewish Museum in my home town which only has about 25k Jews. I contrast this with the tripe from Reuters and I have hope, much hope about the future of Jews in the world: Museum brimming with Jewish Culture

Stolen from COS from this mornings open thread:

Why I love the Jewish people...

When I see a Jew, I see a living testimony that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the One, true and living God. I see a person whose lineage tells of a history of persecution, who nations have tried to drive out and wipe out. Yet, by the Grace of God, He has kept His promise. His remnant has been brought from the ends of the earth back to the land of their fathers. When I see a Jew, I see the promises of God, ... kept.

- No matter how much people try to re-write our history, it will never work. Good evening all.

re: #137 joncelli

Well, I gave him a choice, didn't I?

re: #160 Opinionated

The ones who still support Olmert too.

I do not believe that. For all his faults, This President ( after a shaky start) has stood forthright behind Israel. Those of you who think he has not, have very short memories.

re: #149 bosforus

Seems the only world leader Obama doesn't listen to is the one in his own country.

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Would be great if Bill Clinton came out and said, I negotiated with these jerks for 8 years and all I got was _________bupkus, plus Arafat messed up the Lincoln Bedroom.

re: #167 alegrias

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Would be great if Bill Clinton came out and said, I negotiated with these jerks for 8 years and all I got was _________bupkus, plus Arafat messed up the Lincoln Bedroom.

Well that would be the truth after all!

re: #164 Creeping Eruption

Read that everybody. What a beautiful sentiment.

re: #145 Tom Kratman

The only truly equitable and defensible approach would have been to stick to the original blueprint of the mandate land to the west of the Jordan River being Israel and the land east of the Jordan River being the Arab state.

There likely would still have been war - with 350K-700K Arabs following the advice of their mullahs to abandon their homes and villages to permit unrestricted warfare by the Arab armies and 600K-800K Jews being summarily ejected from their Arab homes in protest over the creation of the Jewish state.

I also think that it was inevitable, as Israel grew and developed, that additional hatred would be directed towards them because of their successes - economic, in freedom, and in opportunity which contrast so greatly with the corrupt regimes that are the Arab leadership.

re: #167 alegrias

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Would be great if Bill Clinton came out and said, "I negotiated with these jerks for 8 years and all I got was _________bupkus, plus Arafat messed up the Lincoln Bedroom, but that boy Achmed with him could sure dance."

re: #164 Creeping Eruption

I am signing off, but before I do, I wanted to link to this article in the Chicago Tribune about a new Jewish Museum in my home town which only has about 25k Jews. I contrast this with the tripe from Reuters and I have hope, much hope about the future of Jews in the world: Museum brimming with Jewish Culture

Stolen from COS from this mornings open thread:

Why I love the Jewish people...

When I see a Jew, I see a living testimony that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the One, true and living God. I see a person whose lineage tells of a history of persecution, who nations have tried to drive out and wipe out. Yet, by the Grace of God, He has kept His promise. His remnant has been brought from the ends of the earth back to the land of their fathers. When I see a Jew, I see the promises of God, ... kept.

- No matter how much people try to re-write our history, it will never work. Good evening all.

AMEN!

re: #162 Nevergiveup

Exactly. And considering the biological impossibility of gay marriage producing offspring...but I digress.

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Well you're wrong about that, who do you think also avails themselves of the miracles of biology, namely In Vitro Fertilization and Surrogate embryo implantation/incubation/ parenting? This is HUGE business.

The president’s language in Israel has dismayed Palestinians looking for the U.S. superpower to mediate in their negotiations with Israel.

Dismayed? Matt Spetalnick, Tabassum Zakaria, and Reuters are are either IGNORANT FOOLS or QUINTESSENTIAL IDIOTS.

re: #166 Nevergiveup

I do not believe that. For all his faults, This President ( after a shaky start) has stood forthright behind Israel. Those of you who think he has not, have very short memories.

Really? Care to share some instances where he "stood" behind Israel in deeds and not just in rhetoric.

I'll start.

He stood behind Israel when they surrendered Gaza.

He stood behind Israel in Lebanon for a few of weeks, until the Saudis said enough.

He stands behind Israel when they show restraint in allowing themselves to be bombarded.

He stands behind Israel when they negotiate their suicide.

Your turn.

re: #173 alegrias

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Well you're wrong about that, who do you think also avails themselves of the miracles of biology, namely In Vitro Fertilization and Surrogate embryo implantation/incubation/ parenting? This is HUGE business.

Ok, you got me there. My bad.

To summarize :

The only thing worse than being a Jew that supports Israel is being a Religious Christian.

I am always amazed at the hushed reverence and warm understanding given Muslim believers in this country by the MSM, while there is total dumping on Christians as being wacko religious nutjobs because they dare honor their religious beliefs.

re: #161 gop_patriot

Oh my gosh. That's hilarious, are you serious? HA! Do you have a link for that?

/a photo would be even bettah roflol

By all means. I could only find a spanish link. It's on the 11th paragraph.

The imaginary palestinians.
They keep whining that over their nakba nonsense. They conveniently always leave out a huge fact:
On the census' from the early 1900 in then Palestine, there were not even enough Arabs to be listed on the census. There were only Jews and Turks.

re: #174 Muadib

Dismayed? Matt Spetalnick, Tabassum Zakaria, and Reuters are either IGNORANT FOOLS or QUINTESSENTIAL IDIOTS.

Hmmm.

Hey Goiters, lament this!...

(visual not included, but easily guessed)

Basking in ovations on the second day of a farewell visit to a country where his presidency is hailed as a golden age ...

Yep, all these thousands of rocket from Hamas and Hisballah that rained on Israel without major retaliatory action from Israel were stuffed with gold.

re: #151 Nevergiveup

Yes, they met the forms. But they did so knowing it was a safe bet because the Arabs' fantasies would ensure they never would accept. How it would have gone if the Arabs were less fantasy driven? Dunno. If they were less fantasy driven maybe there could have been peace.

But they are, and there isn't. Given the indefensibility of the ordained borders, and the Arab fantasies, there still had to be expansion, which meant war.

By the way, does anyone here have any solution to Israel's problem with the Palis that isn't either a) assisted slow suicide, b) pious (or perhaps even impious) and ineffectual platitudes, or c) simply beating the living crap out of the Palestinians and driving them further into the desert, demonstrating, in other words, that attacks on Israel have _immense_ costs, short of genocide but very severe indeed?

re: #179 Bombarafat

Interesting that that huge fact gets overlooked by most "educated" american liberals.

Is it miseducation, or willful stupidity?

re: #54 Alouette

AFP uses scare quotes in photo of masked person waving AK-47

Mighty realistic "toy" that yute is holding.

/use of "scare quotes" quite intentional

re: #155 WrathofG-d

If the Arabs did not have the desire to murder every Jew and destroy Israel, any border would be defensible.

Sure, but that's a fantasy as much as the fantasy world the Arabs live in. They do have that desire and that's what Israel must deal with.

re: #67 jcm

After BHO I'm going to have trouble going into an IHOP and ordering waffles.

We'll always have Waffle House.

re: #181 song_and_dance_man

Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.), piling on to Democratic complaints about President Bush’s speech in Israel today:

“This is bullshit, this is malarkey. This is outrageous, for the president of the United States to go to a foreign country, to sit in the Knesset ... and make this kind of ridiculous statement.”

No Joe. You are bullshit. Everything you say is bullshit.

Can we start treating them as enemies of human kind now?

Palestinians who placed their hopes in him.

These would be the people that were danicng in the streets and handing out candy when they heard about 911? Frack 'em

re: #175 Opinionated

Really? Care to share some instances where he "stood" behind Israel in deeds and not just in rhetoric.

I'll start.

He stood behind Israel when they surrendered Gaza.

He stood behind Israel in Lebanon for a few of weeks, until the Saudis said enough.

He stands behind Israel when they show restraint in allowing themselves to be bombarded.

He stands behind Israel when they negotiate their suicide.

Your turn.

Your first sentence betrays your real feelings. "He stood behind Israel when they surrendered Gaza". You may have not agreed with that. And I don't wish to fight with you about that decision here. But that decision to withdraw from Gaza unilaterally was made by the Sovereign Government of The State of Israel and it's duly elected Leaders. And if you think any American President would have stood by Israel as long as President Bush did in that fiasco of Lebanese War when the Present leaders of Israel dithered while Metulla burned, show me one. You are mad at the present government of Israel. Fine. So am I. But Bush is the President of the United States of America. His allegiance is only to the USA and ONLY to the USA.

re: #166 Nevergiveup

I do not believe that. For all his faults, This President ( after a shaky start) has stood forthright behind Israel. Those of you who think he has not, have very short memories.

He has stood behind Olmert, it fact actually spoke up for Olmert's honesty as late as yesterday.

Even as evidence mounts daily that Olmert is one of the most corrupt politicians in Israel's history.

Would you say that's standing up for Israel?

re: #190 billhedrick

These would be the people that were danicng in the streets and handing out candy when they heard about 911? Frack 'em

And the ones having mock trials where they convict Bush of murder and sentence him to death...

It's only okay for Leftists and Islamists to mention God.

and OBama!

re: #192 Opinionated

He has stood behind Olmert, it fact actually spoke up for Olmert's honesty as late as yesterday.

Even as evidence mounts daily that Olmert is one of the most corrupt politicians in Israel's history.

Would you say that's standing up for Israel?

I'd say that is politics. I know you would have loved it if he threw Olmert under the bus, But The President had a little more class than that.

re: #194 FrogMarch

It's only okay for Leftists and Islamists to mention God.

and OBama!

I thought Obama was......

re: #170 Athos

The Arabs were incapable of controlling their young men then, as they are now. Incapable of or unwilling to. So yes, there would have still been war. Even if the bordering governments were willing, they lacked the ability to control the youngsters who would still have raided Israel, as happened anyway. Now would Israel have just taken that, nor did they. Arab raids into Israel were retaliated against with counterraids, generally not of the kid glove variety. And raid begets raid begets...tank columns.

So, again, it's useless to whine about the might have beens. They were never going to happen.

"Bush ........... had delivered a “slap in the face” to those Palestinians who placed their hopes in him."

Not enough of a slap. A slap right back to the Pals homeland, Jordan or Egypt would have been more appropriate. I suppose Reuters would shill for American soil being turned back to the native Indians ... right?

re: #194 FrogMarch

It's only okay for Leftists and Islamists to mention God.

Huckabee in front of a bookcase that kinda looks like a cross = Horror! Misuse of religion!

Obama in a pulpit with a giant cross behind him? Just shows what a deeply religious man he is.

(frankly, I think the pulpit image was a mistake - reminds everyone about his racist church)

re: #191 Nevergiveup

Israel withdrew from Gaza because the alternative that Sharon knew the Quartet would impose would be worse.

All the stories today write that "George W. Bush has vowed to support Israel in battling "terror" groups ". BS

Even if you ignore Bush's support for the Fatah terror group, it's a lie.

If Bush really supported Israel fighting terror, his Knesset speech would have gone something like this:

Congratulations Israel.

Now in response to yesterday rocket attack on a mall, and the daily terror attacks, go into Gaza and destroy the terrorist barbarians. I and the people of the United States wish you god's speed and success. Shalom.

re: #184 Tom Kratman

Yes, they met the forms. But they did so knowing it was a safe bet because the Arabs' fantasies would ensure they never would accept. How it would have gone if the Arabs were less fantasy driven? Dunno. If they were less fantasy driven maybe there could have been peace.

But they are, and there isn't. Given the indefensibility of the ordained borders, and the Arab fantasies, there still had to be expansion, which meant war.

By the way, does anyone here have any solution to Israel's problem with the Palis that isn't either a) assisted slow suicide, b) pious (or perhaps even impious) and ineffectual platitudes, or c) simply beating the living crap out of the Palestinians and driving them further into the desert, demonstrating, in other words, that attacks on Israel have _immense_ costs, short of genocide but very severe indeed?

That's a pretty good summation of the choices. I'm in favor of option C.

re: #195 Nevergiveup

I'd say that is politics. I know you would have loved it if he threw Olmert under the bus, But The President had a little more class than that.

At best he should have kept his mouth shut while Olmert is being investigated.

But Bush needs a corrupt Olmert for his purposes of birthing a terror State and doesn't give a damn about law and justice in Israel.

re: #200 Opinionated

Well, I wish you good luck with President Obama.

re: #153 vascaino4

Yeah, I saw it. Did you know the so-called Venezuelan army 'offensive' to the common border with Colombia, a few weeks ago, was stopped short by twenty cabbies on strike blocking the highway westbound from Caracas? I'm not kidding' here.

That's the army Chavez is threatening Colombia with.

You got a link for that?

re: #203 Nevergiveup

Well, I wish you good luck with President Obama.

Sycophants always have the same answer. And it is always a non sequitur.

Here is hoping McCain wins in a landslide and that he is not a hypocrite like Bush.

re: #205 Opinionated

Sycophants always have the same answer. And it is always a non sequitur.

Here is hoping McCain wins in a landslide and that he is not a hypocrite like Bush.

I understand you are angry about Olmert, but you should be careful what you wish for. I also think you are confusing the Office of the President of the United States with a leadership position in Israel. If you think you will ever get a President better for Israel than the present one, I think your dreaming. And would you mind pointing out a past present with better credentials?

re: #184 Tom Kratman

C here.

DO
IT
NOW,
R

re: #206 Nevergiveup

I must have missed your response listing all the things Bush has done proving his genuine friendship and concern for Israel's security.

DONE. Not said.

Just remember that the Arab armies that invaded Israel in 1948 were British trained and equipped. So little has changed in the intervening 60 years in that respect.

As they prepare for the next war, the Israelis should target Syria and the supply chain from Iran to Hezbollah. If they take out Assad, the problems in Lebanon also go away.

re: #208 Opinionated

I must have missed your response listing all the things Bush has done proving his genuine friendship and concern for Israel's security.

DONE. Not said.

I guess you were away when Sharon invaded the West Bank and put Arafat in a hole in the ground till a few days before he died. Everyone wanted Sharon to pull back and give Arafat another chance. The EU, The Democrats, The UN and even the loft in Israel. I guess you forgot that President Bush stood firmly behind the Israel Government on that one?

re: #201 Charles

That's a pretty good summation of the choices. I'm in favor of option C.

Me, too. But you've got to understand that's going to be painted as genocide, and it's even going to look a lot like genocide (lotsa kids' bodies - not all of them posed by such as al Reuters, general devastation, that sort of thing). WHat does Israel do about that?

It also has the likelihood of generating enough resentment and hatred among Israeli Arabs as to push them, those that aren't already on the other side, over. Moreover, to the extent those Arabs are not already actively on the side of Hamas of Fatah, it may well be because they expect to win anyway, without any personal effort or risk. What does Israel do about that? Wait them out, applying law rather than war? It might work or it might not. The law is only good for so much. When a problem grows great enough it ceases to work very well and then you have to fall back on war. Kick them out? Shades of ethnic cleansing. Terrorize them into submission? Could be done. Potentially costly in public relations, though.

re: #210 Nevergiveup

I guess you were away when Sharon invaded the West Bank and put Arafat in a hole in the ground till a few days before he died. Everyone wanted Sharon to pull back and give Arafat another chance. The EU, The Democrats, The UN and even the loft in Israel. I guess you forgot that President Bush stood firmly behind the Israel Government on that one?

Hundreds of Israelis died while Bush was urging restraint until the Passover massacre when Israel finally acted. Something repeating now in the South.

Bush didn't deal with Arafat! Great. So what. He is making up for it by supporting Arafat's deputy in every which way.

Bush and Rice take glory in the fact that they insist to birth a terror State while ignoring what Abbas and his group do that prove that they are as much terrorists as Arafat was.

If Bush is unaware he should visit LGF where Charles provides him plenty of proof.

re: #209 quickjustice

Just remember that the Arab armies that invaded Israel in 1948 were British trained and equipped. So little has changed in the intervening 60 years in that respect.

As they prepare for the next war, the Israelis should target Syria and the supply chain from Iran to Hezbollah. If they take out Assad, the problems in Lebanon also go away.

I doubt they go away. Lebanon is terminal.

re: #210 Nevergiveup

Also. You haven't a freaken clue.

Bush always pressured Israel. Even about Arafat.

[Link: www.israelnewsagency.com...]

re: #214 Opinionated

Also. You haven't a freaken clue.

Bush always pressured Israel. Even about Arafat.

[Link: www.israelnewsagency.com...]

I have tried to be nice. We don't agree. Fine, but don't fucken lecture me.

re: #211 Tom Kratman

Me, too. But you've got to understand that's going to be painted as genocide, and it's even going to look a lot like genocide (lotsa kids' bodies - not all of them posed by such as al Reuters, general devastation, that sort of thing). WHat does Israel do about that?

It also has the likelihood of generating enough resentment and hatred among Israeli Arabs as to push them, those that aren't already on the other side, over. Moreover, to the extent those Arabs are not already actively on the side of Hamas of Fatah, it may well be because they expect to win anyway, without any personal effort or risk. What does Israel do about that? Wait them out, applying law rather than war? It might work or it might not. The law is only good for so much. When a problem grows great enough it ceases to work very well and then you have to fall back on war. Kick them out? Shades of ethnic cleansing. Terrorize them into submission? Could be done. Potentially costly in public relations, though.

The one mitigating factor against the "genocide" argument is simply that the Palestinians are anything but an innocent population; Hamas won by a landslide in the Gaza elections, running on a platform of wiping out Israel. Every poll shows that a large majority support terrorism and random murder.

There aren't any good choices, really. But the status quo isn't going to hold much longer, with Hamas arming up at an unprecedented rate with support from all the surrounding Arab countries.

One possibility is that Hamas or one of the other terror gangs will eventually manage to pull off a "mega attack," possibly with poison gas or even a small Iran-supplied nuke (you know they want to), and then a massive military response (if not nuclear war) will follow.

Considering how large an arab population lives in Israel, what makes these so-called palestinians different from arab Israelis?

re: #217 Teacake!

Considering how large an arab population lives in Israel, what makes these so-called palestinians different from arab Israelis?

Besides sharing a common language, a common culture, a common ancestry, and a common religion, they are completely different.

/

re: #216 Charles

That is one pretty shitty possibility,With thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands dead or dying.

re: #216 Charles

The one mitigating factor against the "genocide" argument is simply that the Palestinians are anything but an innocent population; Hamas won by a landslide in the Gaza elections, running on a platform of wiping out Israel. Every poll shows that a large majority support terrorism and random murder.

There aren't any good choices, really. But the status quo isn't going to hold much longer, with Hamas arming up at an unprecedented rate with support from all the surrounding Arab countries.

One possibility is that Hamas or one of the other terror gangs will eventually manage to pull off a "mega attack," possibly with poison gas or even a small Iran-supplied nuke (you know they want to), and then a massive military response (if not nuclear war) will follow.

If I were in charge of Hamas, I wouldn't go for a megadeath or even multikilodeath kind of attack. As is, they're possibly ...no, they're _probably_ winning. How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time. That's what they're doing, nibbling, because that's all they can do, all they're any good at. A big enough bite and Israel drops restraint in what they're good at. And that will _really_ look like genocide.

The nibbling, however, is an existential threat to Israel in a way that even a nuke isn't.

LOL Silhouette !

As I look at creation every morning I do indeed see that it is laced with references to God.

re: #220 Tom Kratman

If I were in charge of Hamas, I wouldn't go for a megadeath or even multikilodeath kind of attack. As is, they're possibly ...no, they're _probably_ winning. How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time. That's what they're doing, nibbling, because that's all they can do, all they're any good at. A big enough bite and Israel drops restraint in what they're good at. And that will _really_ look like genocide.

The nibbling, however, is an existential threat to Israel in a way that even a nuke isn't.

That's how a rational enemy would think. But Islamic terrorists have shown over and over that they don't always behave in ways we'd call rational. In fact, there have been several attempts already to launch such a mass casualty attack inside Israel -- a truck bomb at a natural gas facility that failed to go off, and a plan to topple a Tel Aviv highrise building that was thwarted by Israeli security, to mention two.

re: #223 Charles

No they are not rational

Probably the best you can do is put them at a distance and let them fume

that generates the least casualties all around

Well, I could have mulched my entire garden with that pile of ****.
Difficult to know where to start with it so I won't. It stinks.
Who's objecting to GWB mentioning G-d anyway, objecting to Judaism and Christianity I suppose. Reuters' slip is showing.
Bad journalism - factcheck - Pals are incapable of being *dismayed* they specialise in rage and destruction. Dismay doesn't even register with them.
I support Israel and the Jewish people in general, they are a force for good in the world. I like their spirit and courage.

I'm not surprised at the BBC joining in. I cannot deny it, I now hate the BBC and am shamed by the thought that my licence fee helps to pay the salaries of their so-called journalists, esp in the ME *spit*.
Reuters has almost reached my hate point with this. It is appalling.

I wonder if there is some sort of *Reuters Prime* out there with an email address.
HAH!

re: #223 Charles

That's how a rational enemy would think. But Islamic terrorists have shown over and over that they don't always behave in ways we'd call rational. In fact, there have been several attempts already to launch such a mass casualty attack inside Israel -- a truck bomb at a natural gas facility that failed to go off, and a plan to topple a Tel Aviv highrise building that was thwarted by Israeli security, to mention two.

Well, to quote Voltaire, I think it was, "A rational army would run away."

No, they're not rational. A quote I like:

"If there were any attribute that perhaps could be applied to all Salafis, everywhere, it would have to be their exquisite sense of timing.
True, of course, self-deception was nearly universal – witness their continuing, and apparently groundless, belief that they could somehow defeat the Zion Defense Force and drive the Jews into the sea. Witness, too, the steady frequency with which the Jews drove the Salafis further into the desert instead. Yet many Salafis knew better. Indeed, it was precisely those who made some of the most fertile ground for terrorist recruiting.
Bombast, too, was something of a cultural characteristic, one closely related to self-deception. And even among the terrorist crew, those who had given up on victory through real strength, bombast was quite unremarkable. Yet, even here, there were exceptions.
But the sense of timing, that inner light that tells one the precisely wrong time to take an action; if not all Salafis enjoyed it, then certainly the culture was pervaded with it, they all received the dubious benefits of it...and in a sense, all had come to expect it.
Has a young Federated States just ended a war with a great maritime power? Obviously this was the best of all possible times to begin piratical attacks on FSC shipping. Was an older and much more powerful Federated States about to show a little more evenhandedness in Zionic-Salafi relations? That was the surest sign possible that a planeload of handicapped orphans on their way to once in a lifetime trip to Anheuser World was about to be blown from the sky. Has Zion’s Prime Minister announced he is willing to trade a modicum of security for some chance at peace? Pay that man’s life insurance premium because as certain as daylight he’ll be dead at Salafi hands before the month is over. Is the Federated States about to engage in a great military enterprise to free one Salafi state from another oppressing it? Be certain that both the Salafi adversary and its friends will do everything possible to insure that the timing of the predictable defeat is perfect...for the Federated States. It was as if an entire culture was locked onto one of those decision-making diagrams, one where every block is labeled “make serious mistake here” and that culture must always, always choose the ‘yes’ arrow...and at the worst possible time."

When I first witness high flying illusions with no visible means of support that show up everywhere at the same time just like a tv commercial, I marvel at the timing and coordination. Then I think that must have cost a lot of money, who could have written the check, and who would have cashed it.

Why would anyone think for a minute that if Israel *DID* disappear tomorrow and the Palestinians were given EVERYTHING they say that they want, that what they'd have would be ANY different than neighboring Arab States Egypt or Syria?

Nobody is stopping the Palestinians from building a state, if they want one.

re: #204 coquimbojoe

You got a link for that?

Better late than never.

Charles should start calling these

Worst Reuters Article So Far

I support Israel in its stuggle against terrorism, and I support what the president said in large measure, but I have to admit that I hate it when any group indulges in referring to themselves as "chosen." It smacks too much of a false sense of superiority. Nobody is "chosen". Anybody who thinks God has chosen them for something is having delusions of grandeur, whether they are Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, or Pastafarians.

Wow....this thing is just absurd. Though I wish Bush hadn't referred to Jews as "chosen". We don't think of it like that.

But still, this article is ridiculous.

re: #216 Charles

Eventually, after a mega attack, the Israelis will go apeshit and, with no other solution to the murderous monkey on their back, push them out into Egypt and Jordan.

Ethnic cleansing is a nasty term that tends to get applied to all forced population transfer. In fact, it gets applied to pretty much anything the Israelis do in self defense.

If ever a population deserved to be 'cleansed' from the ancestral Jewish land they desecrate with their murder and child sacrifice, it is the Amalekites' spiritual heirs who the arab world have fashioned into a 'nation' they call the 'palestinians - the point of the arab spear targeted at the heart of the Jews - not the Israelis (for they have already let the mask slip)- the Jews.

Population transfer, in self defense, is where this is heading. Either that, or Israel will be lost, long term, the Jews huddling under a dome shaped forcefield covering the Tel-Aviv / Jerusalem corridor, watching arab and persian missiles explode against it, while the Russians and North Koreans help them develop technology to defeat the defense system.

This will be the net result of America's policy of trading away Israeli land/strategic depth, and blood, in return for acquiescence and favor in the arab world.

There is currently a genocidal momentum targeted at the Jews, building within Islam.

This is important reading on this subject. It sounds almost hopeless.

Aggressive self defense is what is needed when dealing with savages who do not think like you, and want to spill your children's brains and rape your women, after they have cut your balls off and shoved them into your mouth (Syria - 1967, 1973). Ferocity, coupled with brains, is the best defense. Kahane almost had it right.

There is no other solution, long term, for Israel, despite what Shimon Peres or Tony Blair think.

These are trends and hatreds that have their roots in the distant past, whipped into a frenzy with modern communications technology. It is building in a very bad way.

231 LemonJoose:

Jews almost never refer to themselves as the "Chosen People," except in jest. The only thing Jews were "chosen" for was to receive God's revelation through the Torah -- and I've heard one story that God asked all the other nations first! If you read the Bible, it's clear Jews think themselves far from perfect -- we kept screwing up and getting divinely punished.

I agree the article is horrible, but I can tell you the problem in this case was less of an ideological slant and more of a Reuters editor's decision to try to cram Bush's speech and the "Nakba" demonstrations into a single story. Reuters didn't move separate stories, which was stupid, as the two things were really unrelated.

From the Israeli Intelligence Analysis linked to above:

Among the report's most worrying findings is the growth over the past three decades of uniquely Muslim roots to older European versions of anti-Semitism. Without discounting classical Christian Europe's canards regarding secret Jewish conspiracies, the ritual slaughter of non-Jewish children and other allegations of Jewish evil, anti-Semitism in the Muslim world increasingly finds its own, Islamic reasons for anti-Jewish hatred through new interpretations of Islamic history and scripture.

From the Koranic story of a Jewess who poisoned Muhammad, to the troubled relations between Muhammad and the Jewish tribes of Arabia, radical Islamist groups and thinkers have been using extreme anti-Semitic rhetoric that has grown increasingly popular with the Muslim public, particularly in Iran and the Arab states. Using well-known Koranic texts, these groups have been mapping out the Jews' "innate negative attributes" and teaching a paradigm of permanent struggle between Muslims and Jews.

The goal of this "Islamified" anti-Semitism, according to the report, is to transform the Israeli-Palestinian conflict from a national territorial contest which could be resolved through compromise to a "historic, cultural and existential struggle for the supremacy of Islam."

Yikes.

God first asked the French if they wanted the Ten Commandments. They looked them over.

"Sorry," they said "We can;t live with the 'Thou shall not commit adultery' bit."

God turned to the Arabs.

" ' Though shall not kill' ? Are you nuts? It's not for us. Sorry."

God then turned around, saw this dusty little band of shepherds, trekking across the Sinai Desert from Egypt. 'What the hell . . .' he thought.

So he asked these Jews if they wanted them.

"How many commandments" And how much do they cost?" they asked.

"They are free, my children. There are ten of them."

"All Ten Commandments? For free? We'll take 'em all!"

Ditto markie,

Worst ever? I dunno, thats a really high (low) standard. To point out one, however awful, Reuters article and declare it to be the worst ever just seems so....futile.

The Worst Reuters Article Ever

As Homer Simpson would say: the worst Reuters article so far.

re: #236 Maine's Michael

From the Israeli Intelligence Analysis linked to above:

Yikes.

"Yikes" is right. This article is so off base. "Islamic reasons for anti-Jewish hatred through new interpretations of Islamic history and scripture". Since when does anti-Jewish hatred in Islam require new interpretation, or indeed any interpretation at all? No wonder the Israelis are having such problems, they're own liberalism is blinding them to the obvious truth.

It never ceases to amaze how AlReuters can turn history on its head.
The Israelis are implied to have started the Independence Day war to consolidate their state and to 'coerce' half of the arabs to leave the State. Only a mindless dipstick could believe such ahistorical nonsense. The arabs weren't 'coerced' to leave, they obeyed their imams and the Grand Mufti to 'temporarily' leave the Holy Land, so that they would not get in the way of the armies from SEVEN ARAB STATES, who would finish Hitler's work, by driving the Jews into the sea. Too bad there was a 'flaw in the plan', and the Israelis survived, but the arabs still refused to recognize her and her right to exist, as they still overwhelmingly do, despite the passages in the Quran that explicitly state the Holy Land belongs to the People of the Book (Jews). (I guess since muslims believe that they are both muslims and jews (a neat trick if you can manage it) that is how they rationalize their imperialistic claims on the Holy Land and that real Jews have no claims there). Had the arabs recognized Israel's right to exist there would now be two arab palestinian states living peaceably beside Israel-Jordan and Palestine. Now the arabs are seeking three palestinian states, Jordan Palestine WB and Palestine Gaza. I say, they just get the one pali state, Jordan. As the PLO made clear in 1976, that obtaining all the Land of Israel (in addition to the territories of the WB and Gaza) would immediately lead to the dissolution of the 'pali' state and the joinder of all the arabs living there with either Syria and/or Jordan for a pan arab state.

re: #240 jenv

"Yikes" is right. This article is so off base. "Islamic reasons for anti-Jewish hatred through new interpretations of Islamic history and scripture". Since when does anti-Jewish hatred in Islam require new interpretation, or indeed any interpretation at all? No wonder the Israelis are having such problems, they're own liberalism is blinding them to the obvious truth.

I have to take issue with that.

What the report seems to say, and keep in mind we are reading only a precis of it, is that contrary to the prespective muslims had of Jews in the past (people of the book, 'our borthers' etc - acceptable to live amongst us but as dhimmis), recent decades have seen a shift to biological or immutable traits the Jews posess that require exterpation of the Jews - that no coexistence is possible.

In that sense, it has become Nazi like in its momentum and nature. That is what they are saying, I believe.