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MSNBC Joins the Nakba Chorus

Thu, May 15, 2008 at 2:20:44 pm PDT

Still more insanely over the top “Nakba” propaganda from the mainstream media at MSNBC, by yet another Arab writer: As Israelis celebrate, Palestinians mourn.

This is how the media are almost universally spinning Israel’s 60th anniversary. It’s nauseating.

JERUSALEM – Women screaming and children trying to escape a village on fire.

These are just two of the images that two Palestinian sisters, Fatima and Zeinab Jaber, 65 and 71, live with from an event they witnessed 60 years ago. They are haunted, too, by the memory of their mother, Nuzah, who they recall crying as she rushed members of their family to safety.

And they are their last recollections of their home, the village of Deir Yassin, as it was being overrun and destroyed by armed Jewish militant groups.

It gets worse. You won’t believe how much worse.

UPDATE at 5/15/08 2:24:01 pm:

The truth about Deir Yassin.

UPDATE at 5/15/08 2:44:51 pm:

At Google News, there are currently 1,956 results in a search for Nakba.

UPDATE at 5/15/08 4:08:07 pm:

In the last 90 minutes, the number of “Nakba” articles found at Google News has more than doubled, to 4,611. Propaganda is flooding the newswires.

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1 Diamond Bullet  5/15/08 2:22:14 pm reply quote

The question remains: is paying Palestinian "free lance journalists" violating prohibitions on funding terror?

2 Whiterasta  5/15/08 2:22:17 pm reply quote

We just love wallowing in our own self pity.......

3 coquimbojoe  5/15/08 2:22:30 pm reply quote

It in Olby's contract that they whine....

4 livefreeor die  5/15/08 2:23:30 pm reply quote

How about the people at the shopping mall two days ago who were running and trying to escape? Do those two sisters feel any compassion for them given their own experiences?

5 gop_patriot  5/15/08 2:24:02 pm reply quote
Campaign of terror
The massacre is considered by many historians to be part of a strategy to terrify the Palestinian populations enough so that they would leave their homes and land, thus enabling them to be occupied by Jews.

I don't even know what to say to this...

/SPIT

6 bosforus  5/15/08 2:24:39 pm reply quote

I'm tempted to print this article and flush it down the toilet out of principle.

7 livefreeor die  5/15/08 2:25:36 pm reply quote

re: #6 bosforus

I'm tempted to print this article and flush it down the toilet out of principle.

But think of the environmental damage that would cause.

8 kynna  5/15/08 2:25:42 pm reply quote

Sick.

100% sick.

What are they in this for - the hate or the money? A lot of both, I think.

9 Silhouette  5/15/08 2:26:56 pm reply quote

Since everyone knows the Jews control the media, just let me say that they are doing a horrible job of it.

10 bosforus  5/15/08 2:27:19 pm reply quote

re: #7 livefreeor die

But think of the environmental damage that would cause.

You're right, there are some toxins that the wastewater treatment plant just shouldn't have to deal with.

11 Oh no...Sand People!  5/15/08 2:27:30 pm reply quote

I love my family.
I love America.
I love Israel.
I love quality over quantity.
I love quantity when done with quality.
I love warm night air.
I love conservatives.
I love strong defenses.
I love English as the globally accepted language of business.
I love being able to worship how, where, or what I may.
I love talk radio.
I love intelligent debate.
I love talking with new people.
I love variety.
I love Industrial music.
I love learning.
I love curiosity.
I love technological advancements.
I love Independence.
I love humor...

(trying to counter the MSM's hate of all things good.)

12 WrathofG-d  5/15/08 2:27:33 pm reply quote

I'm sure that during every Arab celebration, the MSM comments on the massacres, rapes, murders, and terrorism inflicted on Israel...

wait....they dont?

13 opnion  5/15/08 2:27:56 pm reply quote

This far Left stuff worked so well for Air America you can see why MSNBC follows the template.

14 Alouette  5/15/08 2:27:56 pm reply quote

The MSM is celebrating the fucking "Nakba" more than they gave attention to Israel's 60th.

15 livefreeor die  5/15/08 2:28:05 pm reply quote

re: #8 kynna

Sick.

100% sick.

What are they in this for - the hate or the money? A lot of both, I think.

I think only hate could maintain these kinds of views and behaviors for so long.

16 gop_patriot  5/15/08 2:28:30 pm reply quote

re: #13 opnion

This far Left stuff worked so well for Air America you can see why MSNBC follows the template.

One can only hope it works as well for MSNBC

17 Killgore Trout  5/15/08 2:29:15 pm reply quote

Semi OT: Palestinians celebrate the founding of Israel by abusing their own children.....
Storming a boarder crossing wearing a Honda and Che t-shirt. This resulted in one child being wounded.

Those too young to storm the boarder dressed up as terrorsists some even had toy RPGs. Some felt the need to nap.

18 Whiterasta  5/15/08 2:29:33 pm reply quote

re: #12 WrathofG-d

They don't even report on the rapes massacres, etc inflicted on their own people, by their own people...

19 Diamond Bullet  5/15/08 2:29:40 pm reply quote

From the update, stop me if any of this starts to sound familiar:

After the remaining Arabs feigned surrender and then fired on the Jewish troops, some Jews killed Arab soldiers and civilians indiscriminately. None of the sources specify how many women and children were killed (the Times report said it was about half the victims; their original casualty figure came from the Irgun source), but there were some among the casualties. Any intentional murder of children or women is completely unjustified. At least some of the women who were killed, however, became targets because of men who tried to disguise themselves as women. The Irgun commander reported, for example, that the attackers "found men dressed as women and therefore they began to shoot at women who did not hasten to go down to the place designated for gathering the prisoners."

20 eaglewingz08  5/15/08 2:30:03 pm reply quote

Just some rectification of the outrageous lies about Deir Yassin that leftwing antisemites and their sheeple spread about this pre nationhood battle:

Lying about Deir Yassin
By Steven Plaut
FrontPageMagazine.com
This week is the anniversary of the events that took place in the Arab village of Deir Yassin in 1948. In recent years, Deir Yassin has been converted into a bludgeon by the Far Left, the Neonazi Right, and Israel-bashers in general. Deir Yassin is the ultimate "Man Bites Dog" news story supposedly based on the inversion of players. It is recited endlessly by the very same people who have nothing to say against a century of countless massacres of Jewish civilians by Arabs. The church in St. John's Wood in London is just one of many examples of outfits "commemorating" the "victims" of Deir Yassin this week.
Deir Yassin was a not-at-all innocent Arab village sitting near the only road into Jerusalem in 1948. In the previous December, the UN had voted to partition what was left of Madatory Palestine into two states, one a Jewish state and the other an Arab state to be named Palestine, of approximately equal sizes. The Jews of Israel accepted the plan, while the Arab states and the Palestinian Arab leadership rejected it. Had they accepted it, a Palestinian state would have arisen peacefully in 1948. In response to the UN resolution, Arabs launched attacks against Jews everywhere in the country and in particular placed the city of Jerusalem under siege. The Jewish population of Jerusalem was quite literally starving. The only road into the city passed through the area of Deir Yassin, and the Arab militiamen in the town were stopping all convoys from passing through. Since Israel had yet to be formally proclaimed, the only Jews doing the fighting were members of three poorly-armed militias. The main one was the Hagana, commanded by David Ben Gurion and the socialist Zionist party. There were two smaller ones operating independently under the command of the dissident "revisionist Zionist" movement, the Etsel and the Lehi.

Poorly-trained irregulars of the two latter militias were ordered to attack Deir Yassin to relieve the siege. They did so in ferocious hand-to-hand fighting, in which some Deir Yassin villagers were killed. The Bash-Israel lobby has always maintained that the villagers were "massacred" in cold blood, despite a distinct lack of evidence. Those who participated in the battle claim the villagers were killed when the Jewish militiamen fired into homes from which fire was directed at them. The village was successfully taken and the siege of Jerusalem was lifted. Large numbers of Jewish militiamen had been killed in the house-to-house battle for the village. Approximately 100 Arabs in the village died, a number that was later greatly inflated by anti-Jewish propagandists to 250.

Part of the problem was that the mainstream socialist Zionist parties themselves magnified the supposed misbehavior of the two opposition militias in order to discredit them in the coming political contest for control of the emerging Jewish state. This trend has been echoed in recent years, and Deir Yassin has become the "massacre of choice" for anti-Semites trying to prove the Jews are bloodthirsty barbarians. In part these have based their claims on a document by a Hagana officer, one Meir Peil, who was not actually present at the battle but surveyed the village AFTER the fighting was finished. Peil claimed he thought there had been looting and intentional killing of some villagers. The problem is that Peil is also a leftwing radical and not exactly a neutral source. Other less politicized sources tell a different tale. Even some Arab sources confirm that no massacre took place in Deir Yassin.

21 opnion  5/15/08 2:30:10 pm reply quote

re: #16 gop_patriot

One can only hope it works as well for MSNBC


Their viewership is really dismal They have moved left of CNN

22 forrest  5/15/08 2:30:37 pm reply quote

If you launch a war of annihilation against your neighbors, and lose, bad things might result. They got off easy.

23 galloping granny  5/15/08 2:30:40 pm reply quote

re: #9 Silhouette

Since everyone knows the Jews control the media, just let me say that they are doing a horrible job of it.

Maybe the Jews used to control the media, but these days the Saudis own a great big chunk of it.

25 turn  5/15/08 2:31:03 pm reply quote

Some of the comments to this MSNBC piece are spot on:

"There is NO SUCH THING as a Palestinian! Media bias crap! They are Egyptians, Jordanians, Syrians, etc. Arabs who lived on the land AFTER it was taken from the Jews in the first place. Palestine is a knockoff of a Hebrew word for Philistine. Remember david and Goliath? Just ONE of the many different tribes in the region in and around 135 A.D. This article was written by a Muslim Arab if anyone would happen to look at the author. This issue is an excuse the Muslims use to attack the Jews. The Arabs use the Palestine/Israel issue to try and keep the focus away from their own atrocities. Muslims kill, rape, maim BEHEAD innicents all the time and then wail about crimes when someone retaliates against them. Muslims are responsible for more murders/deaths than the KKK, the Spanish Inquisition, the US death penalty, and the IRA conflict all combined! Cut the antisemitic crap and face the truth - islam is a scourge on the earth and will either conquer it or destroy it. Unless the world wakes up and stops it's spread. Will MSMBC dare to post this blog?

26 livefreeor die  5/15/08 2:31:15 pm reply quote

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Semi OT: Palestinians celebrate the founding of Israel by abusing their own children.....
Storming a boarder crossing wearing a Honda and Che t-shirt. This resulted in one child being wounded.

Those too young to storm the boarder dressed up as terrorsists some even had toy RPGs. Some felt the need to nap.

Wow, I'm a crappy parent. My boys are almost in their teens and I haven't been teaching them to hate all these years. Silly me-I focused on love and concern for others-and watching your back when around people who don't share those values.

27 unrealizedviewpoint  5/15/08 2:32:32 pm reply quote

I'm certainly glad I was busy back defending gay-marriage. This is appalling. I want to scream and break things... Going for a walk before I get the stick. bye.

28 goddessoftheclassroom  5/15/08 2:32:42 pm reply quote

re: #11 Oh no...Sand People!

I love my family.
I love America.
I love Israel.
I love quality over quantity.
I love quantity when done with quality.
I love warm night air.
I love conservatives.
I love strong defenses.
I love English as the globally accepted language of business.
I love being able to worship how, where, or what I may.
I love talk radio.
I love intelligent debate.
I love talking with new people.
I love variety.
I love Industrial music.
I love learning.
I love curiosity.
I love technological advancements.
I love Independence.
I love humor...

(trying to counter the MSM's hate of all things good.)

I love laughing.
I love clever puns.
I love beautiful writing that gives me chills.
I love the smell of cut grass and gasoline fumes.
I love drinking ice water when I'm hot and thirsty.
I love reading LGF while sipping my coffee in the morning.
I love sleeping on fresh 400-thread count cotton sheets that have dried on a clothes line.
I love hugs.
I love screaming for my sports team as someone scores.

(I could go on, but I'll pass the turn to another Lizard)

29 eaglewingz08  5/15/08 2:32:57 pm reply quote

Second Part:

Meanwhile, a few years back the ZOA issued a new study, Deir Yassin History of a Lie, a 32-page analysis (with 156 footnotes) by ZOA National President Morton A. Klein. Among other things, the ZOA study shows that the original claim of 254 dead was not based on any actual body count. The number was invented by Mordechai Ra'anan, leader of the Jewish soldiers who fought in Deir Yassin. He later admitted that the figure was a deliberate exaggeration in order to undermine the morale of the Arab forces, which had launched a war against the Jews in Mandatory Palestine to prevent the establishment of Israel. Other eyewitnesses to the battle estimated that about 100 Arabs had died. Despite Ra'anan's admission, the figure 254 was circulated by Palestinian Arab leader Hussein Khalidi. His claims about Deir Yassin were the basis for an article in the New York Times claiming a massacre took place--an article that has been widely reprinted and cited as "proof" of the massacre throughout the past 57 years.

Meanwhile, there have been numerous exposes of the lies that have been invented surrounding the battle for Deir Yassin and these have largely discredited the Peil "eyewitness" report.

A massacre did take indeed take place, following the events in Deir Yassin, which had occurred on Friday morning April 9, 1948. On Monday morning, April 13, 1948, an Arab mob, chanting "Deir Yassin", massacred a bus convoy of Jewish doctors and nurses who were headed to Hadassah hospital on Mount Scopus in Jerusalem. Seventy-eight members of Hadassah's medical staff were murdered in cold blood. Only recently was it revealed that some of the Hadassah nurses had found refuge in the nearby compound of the British consul, only to be turned over to Arabs by the Brits, and the Arabs proceeded to slaughter them in "revenge" for what they thought had occurred at Deir Yassin.

Both sides used the symbol of "Remember Deir Yassin" in 1948 during the war. There were Jews who intimidated Arabs with the slogan and there were Arab commanders who rallied their populace with the same adage. Meanwhile, what has fanned the flames of Deir Yassin has been the United Nations decision to confine more than three million Palestinian Arabs to refugee camps, promising them the "right of return" to Arab villages that no longer exist.
In recent years a group of pro-Arab propagandists in the US have stared holding annual "memorials" for the "victims" of the
"massacre" in Deir Yassin. The late Edward Said had been a member and the group includes such people as anti-Semite Norman Finkelstein, Saudi-financed ex-congressman Paul Findlay, and PLO propagandist Hanan Ashwari. These are people who have never denounced Arab massacres of Jewish children (or unarmed women, teenagers or men), which massacres were committed not by poorly trained irregulars in the heat of a crucial battle, but by Islamofascist terrorists awash in money and under the direct personal command of the PLO.

30 turn  5/15/08 2:33:03 pm reply quote

BBFN ..

Time to go home and take the black lab down to the American river for a swim ...

31 Alouette  5/15/08 2:34:12 pm reply quote

re: #28 goddessoftheclassroom

goddess, please put Jim Robinson of FreeRepublic.com blog on your prayer list! He is in surgery to amputate his left leg.

32 MandyManners  5/15/08 2:34:36 pm reply quote

re: #11 Oh no...Sand People!

I love my family.
I love America.
I love Israel.
I love quality over quantity.
I love quantity when done with quality.
I love warm night air.
I love conservatives.
I love strong defenses.
I love English as the globally accepted language of business.
I love being able to worship how, where, or what I may.
I love talk radio.
I love intelligent debate.
I love talking with new people.
I love variety.
I love Industrial music.
I love learning.
I love curiosity.
I love technological advancements.
I love Independence.
I love humor...

(trying to counter the MSM's hate of all things good.)

Puppies and kitties.

33 ShowMeStateOfMind  5/15/08 2:34:41 pm reply quote

While we're on the topic of the great Nakba Whitewash by the MSM, there was this little radio gem, part of yesterday's NPR program "All Things Considered."

This one actually forced me to change the station. Which was fine, 'cause I ended up in a much more sane place listening to the re-broadcast of Dennis Miller's morning show.

34 WrathofG-d  5/15/08 2:35:27 pm reply quote

re: #28 goddessoftheclassroom

I love laughing.
I love clever puns.
I love beautiful writing that gives me chills.
I love the smell of cut grass and gasoline fumes.
I love drinking ice water when I'm hot and thirsty.
I love reading LGF while sipping my coffee in the morning.
I love sleeping on fresh 400-thread count cotton sheets that have dried on a clothes line.
I love hugs.
I love screaming for my sports team as someone scores.

(I could go on, but I'll pass the turn to another Lizard)

Here, hows this?

35 Silhouette  5/15/08 2:35:36 pm reply quote

re: #23 galloping granny

That was heavy sarcasm. The anti-semetics claim that Jews control this or Jews control that. I wondered at leaving off the tag.

36 ted  5/15/08 2:35:45 pm reply quote

"Campaign of Terror"

The massacre is considered by many historians to be part of a strategy to terrify the Palestinian populations enough so that they would leave their homes and land, thus enabling them to be occupied by Jews."

The MSM finally uses the T word.

May they rot in hell.

37 galloping granny  5/15/08 2:37:12 pm reply quote

re: #35 Silhouette

That was heavy sarcasm. The anti-semetics claim that Jews control this or Jews control that. I wondered at leaving off the tag.

Oh don't worry - I knew you were being sarcastic.

38 WayDownSouthInBama  5/15/08 2:37:42 pm reply quote

When terrorists attacked America on 9/11,the MSM blamed United States foreign policy over the years as the culprit. When terrorists attack Israel,the MSM blames Israeli foreign policy.

When terrorists kill Americans,the MSM calls them "Freedom Fighters" or,at the very worst "insurgents",but never terrorists. When terrorists kill Israeli's the MSM calls them "Freedom Fighters" or "insurgents",but never terrorists.

When terrorists kill women and children with suicide bombs in Iraq,the number of people killed is not mentioned as a reason to denounce the murderous actions of the terrorists,it is mentioned as a reason for America to surrender in Iraq to the demands of the terrorists. When terrorists kill women and children with missiles fired into Israeli cities,the number of people killed is not mentioned as a reason to denounce the murderous actions of the terrorists,it is mentioned as a reason for Israel to surrender Her land to the terrorists and cave in to their demands.

Do I need to continue on with this or do you see the obvious pattern?

39 MandyManners  5/15/08 2:37:46 pm reply quote

re: #29 eaglewingz08

The Brits did that?!

I don't feel so bad about the King David Hotel, then.

40 BIGDUKE 6  5/15/08 2:38:18 pm reply quote

re: #29 eaglewingz08

Sadly throughout history Jewish blood is cheap so this Atrocity is forgotten while Arab lies live on.

41 WrathofG-d  5/15/08 2:38:37 pm reply quote

re: #39 MandyManners

That was part of the norm. The Brits had a nasty habit of either (a) hading Jews over to the Arabs, (b) assiting the Arabs, or (c) ignoring what was being done to the Jew by the Arabs.

42 goddessoftheclassroom  5/15/08 2:39:12 pm reply quote

re: #31 Alouette

goddess, please put Jim Robinson of FreeRepublic.com blog on your prayer list! He is in surgery to amputate his left leg.

Done.

43 Occasional Reader  5/15/08 2:39:15 pm reply quote

The Deir Yassin Massacre.

The Jenin Massacre.

The Israeli Genocide Against the Palestinians.

The Tooth Fairy.

/and the category is...

44 Nevergiveup  5/15/08 2:40:02 pm reply quote

re: #39 MandyManners

The Brits did that?!

I don't feel so bad about the King David Hotel, then.

The British were warned before the blast at the King David. They arrogantly chose to ignore it. ( the veracity of the warning has been debated, but I think there are enough sources to verify it)

45 nyc redneck  5/15/08 2:40:14 pm reply quote

palestinians don't mourn. they only seethe.
and they seethe whether israel celebrates or not.

46 galloping granny  5/15/08 2:41:11 pm reply quote

re: #44 Nevergiveup

The British were warned before the blast at the King David. They arrogantly chose to ignore it. ( the veracity of the warning has been debated, but I think there are enough sources to verify it)

And the King David was British military headquarters, not a civilian resort.

47 nyc redneck  5/15/08 2:43:16 pm reply quote

re: #6 bosforus

I'm tempted to print this article and flush it down the toilet out of principle.

LOL why don't you do it. and tell us how it makes you fell.

48 Fat Jolly Penguin  5/15/08 2:43:31 pm reply quote

re: #28 goddessoftheclassroom

I love laughing.
I love clever puns.
I love beautiful writing that gives me chills.
I love the smell of cut grass and gasoline fumes.
I love drinking ice water when I'm hot and thirsty.
I love reading LGF while sipping my coffee in the morning.
I love sleeping on fresh 400-thread count cotton sheets that have dried on a clothes line.
I love hugs.
I love screaming for my sports team as someone scores.

(I could go on, but I'll pass the turn to another Lizard)

Baseball, southern California in the summertime, my cat (to whom I'm tragically allergic), science fiction.

And the freedom to like or dislike anything else as I please, damn it.

49 ted  5/15/08 2:43:53 pm reply quote

This is nothing more than blatant, vile jew-hating,revisionist propaganda.
The MSM is our #1 enemy.

50 charles_martel  5/15/08 2:44:22 pm reply quote

I love how they say that all that violence was perpetrated by "Jewish militant groups". That's all they had, the Haganah and the Irgun, because THEY HAD NO ARMY! They had to defend themselves somehow against the combined might of Egypt, Jordan, and Syria!

51 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  5/15/08 2:44:40 pm reply quote

Was it this bad on Israel's 50th anniversary?

52 MandyManners  5/15/08 2:44:42 pm reply quote

re: #41 WrathofG-d

That was part of the norm. The Brits had a nasty habit of either (a) hading Jews over to the Arabs, (b) assiting the Arabs, or (c) ignoring what was being done to the Jew by the Arabs.

Then, why Balfour?

53 Green Helmet Guy  5/15/08 2:44:43 pm reply quote

check out the BBC's Israel @ 60:

Only Nakba, paLIE refugee, self hating Barenboim (who is an honorary PaLIEstinian), life of an Arab in Israel crap not one article saying anything remotely true or good about Israel while at the same time ignoring the ~800,000 Jewish refugees from the Muslim/Arab world.

Just pure PaLIE propoganda.

54 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  5/15/08 2:44:45 pm
55 MandyManners  5/15/08 2:45:26 pm reply quote

re: #44 Nevergiveup

The British were warned before the blast at the King David. They arrogantly chose to ignore it. ( the veracity of the warning has been debated, but I think there are enough sources to verify it)

Even if the warning did not come, the Brits were supporting the Arabs.

56 jcm  5/15/08 2:45:36 pm reply quote

re: #39 MandyManners

The Brits did that?!

I don't feel so bad about the King David Hotel, then.

The had plenty of time to evacuate.

Irgun leader Menachem Begin stressed his desire to avoid civilian casualties and said three telephone calls were placed, one to the hotel, another to the French Consulate, and a third to the Palestine Post, warning that explosives in the King David Hotel would soon be detonated.
57 Golem Akbar  5/15/08 2:46:34 pm reply quote

Slightly, but not much OT: this Sunday is the 60th Anniversary celebration of Israel's Independence, here in Los Angeles. I will go and participate. In year's past, the local media have not attended, most especially the Los Angeles Times. This year, California Governor Arnold Schwartzenegger will be there, along with other politicians.

Let's see the local MSM not cover this event [estimating about 40,000 people to attend].

By the way, all Lizards, the event is at Woodley Park in the Valley.

58 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  5/15/08 2:46:49 pm reply quote

re: #50 charles_martel

I love how they say that all that violence was perpetrated by
"Jewish militant groups". That's all they had, the Haganah and the
Irgun, because THEY HAD NO ARMY! They had to defend themselves somehow
against the combined might of Egypt, Jordan, and Syria!

And Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia & Yemen.

59 WrathofG-d  5/15/08 2:46:51 pm reply quote

re: #52 MandyManners

Don't know really. Difference between the Gov and the people I guess. The entire thing was confused. While writing the Balfour they were making promises to the Arabs.

I suggest you read a book, but can't mention the name of the book or I'll get banned....

60 WrathofG-d  5/15/08 2:47:53 pm reply quote

re: #58 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Listen, we all know that the Jewish Terrorist violence was not necessary as they could have easily just gone and lived in one of the other 22 other Jewish Countries.

61 galloping granny  5/15/08 2:48:29 pm reply quote

re: #50 charles_martel

I love how they say that all that violence was perpetrated by "Jewish militant groups". That's all they had, the Haganah and the Irgun, because THEY HAD NO ARMY! They had to defend themselves somehow against the combined might of Egypt, Jordan, and Syria!

They also had to defend themselves against the British, who were not always any too nice.

62 charles_martel  5/15/08 2:48:48 pm reply quote

If anyone hasn't read the book, "O, Jerusalem", you should. It is required reading.

63 bosforus  5/15/08 2:49:02 pm reply quote

re: #47 nyc redneck

LOL why don't you do it. and tell us how it makes you fell.

I'd feel better putting it to a vote of any Utah taxpayers here, since they'd ultimately be paying for it. I'm in a state building.

65 ted  5/15/08 2:50:50 pm reply quote

Refugee Problem Persists:

Today, according to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA), at least 5 million Palestinians and their descendants are registered as refugees. The figure includes hundreds of thousands who became refugees as a result of the Six-Day War in 1967, when Israel occupied the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem. As refugees, those living in other countries such as Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria, are not recognized as citizens and have few rights, despite living there for decades. In effect they are stateless unless and until a Palestinian state is created.

The fate of the Jaber family is typical of many Palestinians. They lived in Jordan for two years, then moved to Jericho and after five years moved to Jerusalem, when the sisters’ mother wanted to be close to what was once their home.

Many have given up hope of returning to the homes they lost in 1948; instead, they watch with bitterness and sadness the celebrations for Israel's 60 years of statehood, which they feel came at their expense.

"I feel ashamed to be a refugee," said Zeinab. "Three months ago we went to Deir Yassin; our house is used as a storage place for hospital workers. I want my family house back," she said.

And as the U.S. struggles to keep Israel and the Palestinian Authority committed to making an arrangement that will lead to the creation of a two-nation state, it is the plight of the refugees – most particularly, whether they should be allowed to return to their original homes or what is sufficient compensation – that still proves to be one of the biggest obstacles for a lasting peace.

"How can Israel celebrate when we still have this refugee problem?" said Fatima, who is the mother of 11 children."

You can't make this stuff up.

66 MandyManners  5/15/08 2:51:31 pm reply quote

re: #59 WrathofG-d

Don't know really. Difference between the Gov and the people I guess. The entire thing was confused. While writing the Balfour they were making promises to the Arabs.

I suggest you read a book, but can't mention the name of the book or I'll get banned....

I know a bit about the era from college, here and am reading Power, Faith and Fantasy by Michael Oren.

BTW, naming a book would get you banned?

67 Whiterasta  5/15/08 2:51:50 pm reply quote

re: #48 Fat Jolly Penguin

I love Americans.
I love Australian Shiraz wine.
I love music.
I love my dog
I love my 2 beautiful daughters
I love dancing
I love going to the beach and looking at beautiful women

68 loppyd  5/15/08 2:51:52 pm reply quote

re: #45 nyc redneck

palestinians don't mourn. they only seethe.
and they seethe whether israel celebrates or not.

They seethe for the sake of seething.

69 Silhouette  5/15/08 2:52:11 pm reply quote

re: #51 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Was it this bad on Israel's 50th anniversary?

I don't have any scientific comparison of headline to headline, but in my experience, I'd say the hate has always been there, but it is more acceptable in public now. The liars are becoming more bold.

70 MandyManners  5/15/08 2:52:57 pm reply quote

re: #60 WrathofG-d

The character from that time who fascinates me is the Haj. Learning more about him was one of the first things I pursued here when I joined.

71 Occasional Reader  5/15/08 2:54:29 pm reply quote

How dare those violent Jews use violence*!

*to resist another genocide

72 WrathofG-d  5/15/08 2:54:43 pm reply quote

re: #66 MandyManners

BTW, naming a book would get you banned?

Yes.

73 Occasional Reader  5/15/08 2:55:29 pm reply quote

re: #72 WrathofG-d

Can you give us a hint?

74 MandyManners  5/15/08 2:55:34 pm reply quote

re: #72 WrathofG-d

Even in pig Latin?

*giggle*

Never mind.

75 Charles  5/15/08 2:55:48 pm reply quote

While I was typing the update above, another Nakba article was published.

There are now 1,957 results in a search for Nakba at Google News.

76 Green Helmet Guy  5/15/08 2:56:03 pm reply quote
At Google News, there are currently 1,956 results in a search for Nakba.

I'm sure that if you search google for "Israel at 60" you will get a lot of results who's content is one and the same as "Al-Nakba".

Israel's 60th for the MSM is another chance to bash Israel.

77 SaracensAtTheGates  5/15/08 2:56:07 pm reply quote
Women screaming and children trying to escape a village clinic in Ashkelon on fire after a Palestinian rocket attack on Israeli civilians.

Inconvenient truth.

78 MandyManners  5/15/08 2:56:23 pm reply quote

re: #75 Charles

While I was typing the update above, another Nakba article was published.

There are now 1,957 results in a search for

79 Silhouette  5/15/08 2:56:25 pm reply quote

If you really want to know the name of the book, turn your nic blue and maybe Wrath will email it to you.

/helpful suggestion

81 Spiritualized  5/15/08 2:56:44 pm reply quote

The stupid asshat author who thinks she's something called a "Palestinian," actually cites Wikipedia as evidence for her fabricated story.

82 conservativeChick  5/15/08 2:57:45 pm reply quote

Liberals are always cheering for who they believe are the little guy. Even if it means the destruction of Western Civilization.

83 WrathofG-d  5/15/08 2:58:04 pm reply quote

re: #73 Occasional Reader

With some thought, it would be obvious. Its the writer not the book that is the problem. There were a few people advocat

i

ng his beliefs (actual beliefs not those att

r

ibuted to him, and not those of his followers) and it was requested that if those few people liked this individual so much they should get off LGF....and rightfully so!

However, I would not want to rub LGF the wrong way, so I probably should just move on.

84 coquimbojoe  5/15/08 2:58:40 pm reply quote

re: #82 conservativeChick

Liberals are always cheering for who they believe are the little guy. Even if it means the destruction of Western Civilization.

Um, destruction of Western Civilization is their goal.

85 Silhouette  5/15/08 2:59:15 pm reply quote

re: #78 MandyManners

Top one: 60 years of ethnic cleansing.

That website should contrast and compare the Arab population of Tel Aviv to the Jewish population of Gaza.

86 Lauraf  5/15/08 2:59:30 pm reply quote

I'm seriously alarmed at the way delegitimising Israel has gone mainstream. With another decade of Muslim immigration and brainwashing in universities, I'll be surprised if there is a single country left that will speak up in Israel's defense.

87 Charles  5/15/08 2:59:38 pm reply quote

I'm beginning to get more than a little irritated at your constant sniping, WrathofG-d.

88 WrathofG-d  5/15/08 3:01:31 pm reply quote

re: #87 Charles

No "sniping" was meant. Seriously!

89 bosforus  5/15/08 3:02:00 pm reply quote

Charles,
Check out my first link when I do a google news search for 'israel':
israel
In case you don't get the same thing I did, the article is from the AFP:
Palestinians mark 'catastrophe' of Israel's birth

90 Render  5/15/08 3:02:24 pm reply quote

Wrath, lemme help you out here...

[Link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...]

OK?,
R

91 Alouette  5/15/08 3:02:56 pm reply quote

re: #65 ted

The figure includes hundreds of thousands who became refugees as a result of the Six-Day War in 1967, when Israel occupied the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem.

That is pure bullshit.

92 WrathofG-d  5/15/08 3:02:58 pm reply quote

re: #87 Charles

I am open to any suggestions you have on how you would like me to respond/proceed when this issue is touched on.

93 Charles  5/15/08 3:03:36 pm reply quote

re: #92 WrathofG-d

I am open to any suggestions you have on how you would like me to respond/proceed when this issue is touched on.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

94 littleben  5/15/08 3:04:10 pm reply quote

חג נקבה ויהיה עוד הרבה

95 Render  5/15/08 3:04:26 pm reply quote

re: #92 WrathofG-d

Don't endorse.

Disclaimer if necessary.

THE
USUAL,
R

97 bosforus  5/15/08 3:04:28 pm reply quote

Even though 'naqba' translates to 'catastrophe', they know no one knows that.

98 WrathofG-d  5/15/08 3:04:58 pm reply quote

re: #90 Render

Ok, now you are going to get me in trouble. It was never my intention that there be links, naming, etc. In fact, that is actually the complete opposite of what I wanted. I was trying my best to avoid that. In hindsight, I now realize that I should have just left the entire thing alone...

99 mama winger  5/15/08 3:05:27 pm reply quote