ah!

Change!

I'm convinced that this country will never, ever elect Michelle Obama First Lady.

What a n00b.

/oh yeah, I'm using the n-word.

It won't matter....he will carry the 51st through 57th State and win anyway

i am tired of the obamanation ALREADY.

He was for it before he was against it!

Blech.

Killgore's candidate!

Just back off and let him eat his waffle!

Obama declines to criticize Carter on Hamas.

Too little, too late...

updings for everyone!

About what I expected from Olberdouche's choice of candidates...

Change? I thought the previous Democratic contender for the White House also flip-flopped on just about every other thing he said... What's different?

re: #12 blue_like_jazz

Hic!

Oh, dings, not drinks ;)

Newt was on Hannity and Skeletor tonite --he did a good job of sizing up the Obama/Pelosi/Emmanuel backlash over Bush's speech to the Knesset.

He said they must feel guilty to assume Bush was talking about them.

"These are my principles; if you don't like them I have others."
Groucho Marx B. H. Obama

Anyone think the kid gloves the MSM are using on him will stay on all the way to November? Or, will they at some point, have to tell the truth about the fine Junior Senator from Illinois?

re: #15 Dan G.

flip-flop, waffle, . . . .

what should the next word be.

It's like one of those intelligent word games.

re: #16 MigueldowninMexico

Hic!

Oh, dings, not drinks ;)

gin and tonic, anyone? =)

re: #18 jaunte

"These are my principles; if you don't like them I have others."
Groucho Marx B. H. Obama

Perfect. Sad and more than a little scary, but spot-on.

re: #13 savage_nation

Hey savage, there you are!

re: #20 ggt

flip-flop, waffle, . . . .

what should the next word be.

It's like one of those intelligent word games.

Flip, flop, waffle, pancake...

re: #18 jaunte

"These are my principles; if you don't like them I have others."
Groucho Marx B. H. Obama

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

re: #21 blue_like_jazz

gin and tonic, anyone? =)

I'd love to!
Thanks :)

re: #19 Desert Dog

Anyone think the kid gloves the MSM are using on him will stay on all the way to November? Or, will they at some point, have to tell the truth about the fine Junior Senator from Illinois?

They will stay on.

Good night Lizards, see the thread is in good hands.

re: #28 coquimbojoe

Good night Lizards, see the thread is in good hands.

Good night Joe, take care!

now i want pancakes for some reason.

damn it sage, you got me thinking about food with all your fancy hamburger talk on the downstairs thread!

You know, this is flip flop all over again.

I also have a feeling it will be Dole all over again as well.

This guy is practically handing the RNC their material for commercials, and I'll be damned if they end up actually using it.

I lamented John "do you know who I am" Kerry, but Hussein Obama flat-out scares the sh!t out of me. My fear is palpable.

re: #26 MigueldowninMexico

I'd love to!
Thanks :)

*clink*

cheers, my friend!

re: #3 rorschach

I'm convinced that this country will never, ever elect Michelle Obama First Lady.

I got stuck on a truck with a company driver who constantly listened to Air America. There was some idiot on (I didn't get the name) who was going on and on about how Mrs. McCain was creepy and how M.O. would make an excellent First Lady.

Arguing about First Ladies is a symptom of ideological lameness.

re: #20 ggt

...waiver, lie (because that's what it is in fact), autocountermand...

re: #31 blue_like_jazz

now i want pancakes for some reason.

damn it sage, you got me thinking about food with all your fancy hamburger talk on the downstairs thread!

And he washes it down with mezcal!

Cali crazyfornian...

re: #27 wolfie

They will stay on.

I think you are right.....of course they will get the "dreaded gauntlet of doom" out to smack McNasty around though....

re: #29 savage_nation

Ha!

re: #4 laZardo

What a n00b.

/oh yeah, I'm using the n-word.

That 's not the n-word yo have to worry about.

re: #34 blue_like_jazz

*clink*

cheers, my friend!

Salud! ;)

re: #40 The Other Les

That 's not the n-word yo have to worry about.

nancy?

re: #40 The Other Les

I'm just using the street term for it.

/i.e. "newbie."

re: #43 savage_nation

I would have left the idiot at a rest area

I was off the truck in less than 24 hours. He also made a safety violation so I reported him on that.

To be fair, it is the Reuters headlines which suggest flipflopping. I don't think Obama himself has flipflopped here, after all there is a difference between disagreeing and criticizing.

re: #38 Desert Dog

I think you are right.....of course they will get the "dreaded gauntlet of doom" out to smack McNasty around though....

Well put! They won't even pretend to play fair.

okay, i'm really going now. have fun, mind your manners!

"I was against the criticism, before I was for it..." --BHO

re: #47 wolfie

Well put! They won't even pretend to play fair.

Still, what they call the New Media is a force to reckon with by this 2008. Fortunately.

"I'm not going to comment on former President Carter. He's a private citizen. It's not my place to discuss who he shouldn't meet with,"
....
"That's why I have a fundamental difference with President Carter and disagree with his decision to meet with Hamas," Obama said. "We must not negotiate with a terrorist group intent on Israel's destruction.

And Reuters blithely reports both statements, but not the incongruency.

re: #48 blue_like_jazz

Goodnight!

(love your avatar!) :)

re: #48 blue_like_jazz

okay, i'm really going now. have fun, mind your manners!

Have a great day! :)

re: #49 savage_nation

Good for you. what did he do that was unsafe?

Hours of service.

#35 The Other Les

re: #3 rorschach

I got stuck on a truck with a company driver who constantly listened to Air America. There was some idiot on (I didn't get the name) who was going on and on about how Mrs. McCain was creepy and how M.O. would make an excellent First Lady.

Arguing about First Ladies is a symptom of ideological lameness.

I never said there wouldn't be a few dumb-asses that would think Michelle would make a gre-e-a-t first lady.

I said that the country will never go for it.

re: #52 jaunte

"I'm not going to comment on former President Carter. He's a private citizen. It's not my place to discuss who he shouldn't meet with,"
....
"That's why I have a fundamental difference with President Carter and disagree with his decision to meet with Hamas," Obama said. "We must not negotiate with a terrorist group intent on Israel's destruction.

And Reuters blithely reports both statements, but not the incongruency.

And they can't use "We Report, You Decide" as an excuse for not doing so...

Obama seems to be following in the flip-flop footsteps of the self proclaimed "first black president" Bill Clinton while embracing the foreign policies of Jimmy Carter. All he is lacking is to announce that,if elected,he will have Farrakhan locate the Oval Office aboard the Mother Ship and the Circle of Laugh will be complete.

re: #17 ggt

Newt was on Hannity and Skeletor tonite --he did a good job of sizing up the Obama/Pelosi/Emmanuel backlash over Bush's speech to the Knesset.

He said they must feel guilty to assume Bush was talking about them.

I heard John Podhoretz on Hugh Hewitt's show this afternoon discussing the same coordinated, rather hysterical (not in the funny way) reaction to Bush's appeasement comment.

His posited the idea that perhaps they were trying to "elevate" Obama's status by depicting him as being 'attacked' by the sitting president instead of Clinton. Only he expressed it a lot better than that.

re: #52 jaunte

And Reuters blithely reports both statements, but not the incongruency.

Apparently, they loooove waffles.

re: #59 Opilio

They try to interject themselves into everything--So the will coverage by the MSM. As long as the general public keeps hearing their names, they will have jobs.

The idea of Barack as president depresses me.

Ironic that the US press looked back after the invasion of Iraq and saw itself as being unskeptical and therefore contributing to the build up for war. They then went to the other extreme and will not report anything positive on Iraq, which has created the space for Obama to be a viable candidate.

Now, again, they aren't skeptical - there is a "rush to elect" that outstrips any "rush to war."

What will their regrets look like after they have brought about his election and then sets back our foreign policy 30 years to the Carter era?

So, when Obama comes to Texas, my bet is he buys some of those
green lizzard boots at the Boot Town Boot Outlet store, and pays for them in Pesos, like $39.99 .

The MSM is begging Obama to be POTUS. Licking the floor before his feet. I think this will be the first election where virtually all the major outlets simply lie outright continuously until November. Not the lies we saw with Kerry...no...BIG LIES this time; Reporting the opposite of the World news; Completely fabricating reality beyond anything seen before.
It will be the beginning of the true end.

Obama will take any position deemed necessary to get elected, but he won't govern that way once in office. He has voted hard left too consistently for too long to truly be a weathervane politician. If people think he can be influenced to be something other than the leftist/marxist idolizer he's been for his entire life, they are deeply mistaken. He will govern from a hard-set ideological position... he always returns to that place when the time comes to choose.

Obama's just trying to promote diversity... he wants to be for and against everything at the same time... bourgeois concepts like contradictions be damned.

re: #60 gop_patriot

It's just dopey to report that a candidate for president made a statement that's directly contradictory to a statement he made on the same subject one week previous, and not even mention the contradiction in passing. I guess they think no one will notice.

re: #64 Daybrother

The MSM is begging Obama to be POTUS. Licking the floor before his feet. I think this will be the first election where virtually all the major outlets simply lie outright continuously until November. Not the lies we saw with Kerry...no...BIG LIES this time; Reporting the opposite of the World news; Completely fabricating reality beyond anything seen before.
It will be the beginning of the true end.

I kinda hope you're wrong.

re: #62 karmic_inquisitor

The idea of Barack as president depresses me.

Ironic that the US press looked back after the invasion of Iraq and saw itself as being unskeptical and therefore contributing to the build up for war. They then went to the other extreme and will not report anything positive on Iraq, which has created the space for Obama to be a viable candidate.

I don't follow. How did the decrease in violence in Iraq create a space for Obama to be a viable candidate? Many people supported him because, unlike Clinton, he was opposed to the war from the outset.

The MSM in the past have turned on their love interests and savaged them. This could happen with the MSM/Obama love-fest.
It will be an interesting few months.

re: #64 Daybrother

The MSM is begging Obama to be POTUS. Licking the floor before his feet. I think this will be the first election where virtually all the major outlets simply lie outright continuously until November. Not the lies we saw with Kerry...no...BIG LIES this time; Reporting the opposite of the World news; Completely fabricating reality beyond anything seen before.
It will be the beginning of the true end.

Sounds kinda like "Newspeak" to me. What year is this anyway?

re: #71 savage_nation

Goodnight savage. Stay safe on the road.

Vote for Obama, cut out the middlemen in the war on terror. Why make war on terror when we can be allies with the terrorists?

Well if we get lucky , Obama will end up as a fence sitter, and
the fence will be a "barbed wire fence".

re: #62 karmic_inquisitor

What will their regrets look like after they have brought about his election and then sets back our foreign policy 30 years to the Carter era?

I would expect them to be in a full state of denial.

re: #46 rednaxela

To be fair, it is the Reuters headlines which suggest flipflopping. I don't think Obama himself has flipflopped here, after all there is a difference between disagreeing and criticizing.

Yeah, I think the inconsistency is more in the reporting than in Obama's stance. He is clear about saying that he would not meet w/ Hamas in both articles and also that he doesn't approve of Carter's doing so.

#70 Opilio
re: #64 Daybrother
I kinda hope you're wrong.

I really really hope so too. But so far, I've seen nothing but the general belief that it is so terribly important to the Constitution and America to elect the Obamessiah--so important that no questions should be asked and no opposition should be reported.

Peggy Shapiro of American Thinker said it this way:

Just present Barack Obama with a controversial issue which requires a firm stand on principle, and we are guaranteed change.

re: #72 JustMyView

I don't follow. How did the decrease in violence in Iraq create a space for Obama to be a viable candidate? Many people supported him because, unlike Clinton, he was opposed to the war from the outset.

It's not the decrease in violence that benefits Obama. It's the reluctance of the MSM to report anything positive that would buttress the claim that we're losing/lost the war and that Obama was a prophet from the beginning.

My guess is Obama would take the 30 little silver coins and then deny it to the great spirit, over and over as he eats a waffle.

In general, it seems to be difficult for people who speak frequently in public to maintain perfect consistency. Here, for instance, is a report on McCain's stance re dealing w/ Hamas based on an interview just after the election in Gaza.

But given his own position on Hamas, McCain is the last politician who should be attacking Obama. Two years ago, just after Hamas won the Palestinian parliamentary elections, I interviewed McCain for the British network Sky News's "World News Tonight" program. Here is the crucial part of our exchange:

I asked: "Do you think that American diplomats should be operating the way they have in the past, working with the Palestinian government if Hamas is now in charge?"

McCain answered: "They're the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another, and I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy towards Hamas because of their dedication to violence and the things that they not only espouse but practice, so . . . but it's a new reality in the Middle East. I think the lesson is people want security and a decent life and decent future, that they want democracy. Fatah was not giving them that.

re: #19 Desert Dog

Well I have to say three things: One is that I believe MOST of the MSM is firmly behind Obama.
But there may very well come a time when some enterprising "journalist" see's something about Obama that he or she just CAN'T NOT PUBLISH. Whether his/her editor will allow publication will depend on the editor's (and maybe publisher's thoughts) as they weigh the pro's and con's of going against the rest of the MSM and the backlash that may occur and the Pulitzer Prize they might win for publishing it.
Also, most of the MSM really do HATE Hillary - well hell, we all know why, so do we!
Finally, in the general election, there certainly should be DEBATES - the old fashioned kind where each candidate asks the other candidate questions and the other candidate answers and then the first candidate gets a short rebuttal to that answer. Then the other candidate asks a question of the first candidate, and etc., with the "Moderator" there SOLELY to time each candidates question, answer and reply to the answer. IF McCain succeeds in getting this kind of "old fashioned" debate, then it's over for Obama. He has shown, time and again, that he can't think on his feet - he needs scripted questions and answers. And that will be made manifest on LIVE TELEVISION to the American People. It won't change the true-believer's feelings, but it will make it impossible for the MSM to misquote either candidate after the debate; too many folks will see it LIVE and a lot of us will record it.
So, absent my first reaction about finding out something that an MSM outlet just CAN'T resist reporting, I think the MSM is behind Obama, but only until the general election.
AND I'D personally like to know who the nutjob was who decided members of the MSM would be the ones to ask the questions in the first place!

What's really amazing is the people they've trotted out to wax hysteric about this. Come on, are Daschle and Kerry the best they've got?

/Yeah, maybe so

re: #64 Daybrother

The MSM is begging Obama to be POTUS. Licking the floor before his feet. I think this will be the first election where virtually all the major outlets simply lie outright continuously until November. Not the lies we saw with Kerry...no...BIG LIES this time; Reporting the opposite of the World news; Completely fabricating reality beyond anything seen before.
It will be the beginning of the true end.

Freedom of speech and the press is the freedom to speak and and publish the truth.

Willful deception of the members of the electorate is clearly a harmful act and should be a crime. But how can an enforcement mechanism be created without it being used as an instrument of oppression? A power granted is a power that will be abused.

Hows that for a nightmare?

What will their regrets look like after they have brought about his election and then sets back our foreign policy 30 years to the Carter era?

They will do as they do now. They will blame it all on Bush.

Good night all. It's always a privilege to read the posts,and be able to post,here at LGF. Information,humor,thought provoking views...LGF has it all.

re: #82 solomonpanting

It's not the decrease in violence that benefits Obama. It's the reluctance of the MSM to report anything positive that would buttress the claim that we're losing/lost the war and that Obama was a prophet from the beginning.

But if they've refused to report it, how do we know that it's occurring?

re: #74 WayDownSouthInBama

1984 + 24.

Night all!

weet dreams!

re: #69 jaunte

You can be had McCain or Bush done such a thing, the second Reuters piece would have started out: "In apparent contradiction to his previous statements on former President Carter's historic meeting with Hamas, George Bush issued a harshly worded personal attack against the former president ..."

/ya think?

re: #72 JustMyView

I don't follow. How did the decrease in
violence in Iraq create a space for Obama to be a viable candidate?
Many people supported him because, unlike Clinton, he was opposed to
the war from the outset.

Sorry - I wasn't clear.

The press has not reported Iraq positiviely since the Duffler (sp?) report where WMD was not found in any significant quantities. At that point the press looked back and saw itself complicit in building a case for war by not being more skeptical (I don't agree with that view - western intelligence agencies were unanimous in seeing Saddam as having stockpiles and some capacity to produce WMDs.)

So they turned on the war and became "skeptical" to the degree that reporting any progress was a no no. For example, the surge is not reported as a success - they repeat the Pelosi talking points of "no political progress".

So that is what has created the space for Obama. Obama is the perfect candidate because he has no track record. When skepticism is directed at him they get translated into "personal attacks." Were there a voting record, then attacks on that record would be OK.

The press reports on Obama with zero skepticism, much the way they saw themselves reporting on WMD intelligence prior to the invasion.

I see an irony in that - you'd think they'd simply be skeptical on all fronts, but they aren't.

Obama is a small time liar, Lt. Kerry and Al Gore the prior Democratic ruin ers were world class liars and frauds, the Donks go down hill as the globe cools faster and faster and Kerry throws medals over the White House fence.

If this little piss ant liar is all they got, to bad so sad.

re: #79 JustMyView Uh, then why all the stories about Obama being HAMA's preferred candidate? Serious question here, not trying to be a smartass.

re: #5 Desert Dog

It won't matter....he will carry the 51st through 57th State and win anyway

very good.. sad, but true.

re: #92 AZfederalist

You can be had McCain or Bush done such a thing, the second Reuters piece would have started out: "In apparent contradiction to his previous statements on former President Carter's historic meeting with Hamas, George Bush issued a harshly worded personal attack against the former president ..."

/ya think?

Your parody stylings are sharp!

Its ok, tfk will be the fill in smartass

"put me in Coach"

JustMyView is doing what it always does -- trying to divert the discussion away from the issue at hand.

And I still think this may be the old banned poster "View from Ireland," even though it has denied it. The styles are identical.

re: #72 JustMyView

I don't follow. How did the decrease in violence in Iraq create a space for Obama to be a viable candidate? Many people supported him because, unlike Clinton, he was opposed to the war from the outset.

I've basically come tho the conclusion that pacifism is a mental illness.

I also came to this nifty little conclusion:

Apparently they haven't noticed that the path to peace for a free nation invariably goes over the dead bodies of would-be conquerors and their pet quislings [traitors].

Real history isn't being taught in our schools anymore. Hell. I had to take up Dungeons and Dragons before I started my own private research into military and political history.

(Yes, D & D leads to Lizardism.)

re: #92 AZfederalist

PIMF, Should have been "you can bet ..."

re: #84 JustMyView Ah yeah, we had some discussion about that on either the last thread or the one before that, and got to see the video on that and frankly the video doesn't support the translation. As really grumpy big dog johnson put it so succinctly: At no point does McCain say he'd be willing to meet with Hamas, period.

re: #101 AZfederalist

Mulligan on the t.

JustmyRear

Got mirror.

#99
Charles, your using "it" as a pronoun is quite funny.

I wonder if normal people care who is President. McCain and Obama are both strange birds. Can we really pick the cuckoo? Neither says a thing that isn't restated the next day. I will admit McCain has a bit of advantage there. At least he knows what he has professed for 20 years: Open Borders, higher taxes, soooo sincere, hates America as it is, First and Second Amendments need their fine hand at interpretation, a bit of a temper problem, believes the Globe is dangerously hot and that Polar Bears are disappearing. WTH!

re: #5 Desert Dog

It won't matter....he will carry the 51st through 57th State and win anyway

Q. How many electoral votes do states 51-57 have?
A. Precisely as many as BHO will needs, +3 (to account for faithless electors, Hillary moles, etc.)

re: #100 The Other Les

So, in your case, the dragon ultimately won?

Obama can not lie alone, he must have assistant liars to re-write the lies and then he adds impromptu , "uh's" as needed.

re: #84 JustMyView

"They're the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another...

The key phrase is "one way or another". To assume that can only mean direct talks or negotiations is mistaken. There are multiple ways of dealing with them, words are only one of them. I'll leave some of the others up to your imagination. After all, we did "deal" with Saddam, sooner or later...

re: #86 AZfederalist

What's really amazing is the people they've trotted out to wax hysteric about this. Come on, are Daschle and Kerry the best they've got?

/Yeah, maybe so

One would think that when a prominent member and union leader is elected President of the United States for the other party that they would notice that they have a problem.

I'm looking for an opportunity to use the phrase "dumber than a Democrat" in some work of fiction that I'm writing.

JustmyRear,

Look at the other way around,
face it facts count.