ah!

Change!

I'm convinced that this country will never, ever elect Michelle Obama First Lady.

What a n00b.

/oh yeah, I'm using the n-word.

It won't matter....he will carry the 51st through 57th State and win anyway

i am tired of the obamanation ALREADY.

He was for it before he was against it!

Blech.

Killgore's candidate!

Just back off and let him eat his waffle!

Obama declines to criticize Carter on Hamas.

Too little, too late...

updings for everyone!

About what I expected from Olberdouche's choice of candidates...

Change? I thought the previous Democratic contender for the White House also flip-flopped on just about every other thing he said... What's different?

re: #12 blue_like_jazz

Hic!

Oh, dings, not drinks ;)

Newt was on Hannity and Skeletor tonite --he did a good job of sizing up the Obama/Pelosi/Emmanuel backlash over Bush's speech to the Knesset.

He said they must feel guilty to assume Bush was talking about them.

"These are my principles; if you don't like them I have others."
Groucho Marx B. H. Obama

Anyone think the kid gloves the MSM are using on him will stay on all the way to November? Or, will they at some point, have to tell the truth about the fine Junior Senator from Illinois?

re: #15 Dan G.

flip-flop, waffle, . . . .

what should the next word be.

It's like one of those intelligent word games.

re: #16 MigueldowninMexico

Hic!

Oh, dings, not drinks ;)

gin and tonic, anyone? =)

re: #18 jaunte

"These are my principles; if you don't like them I have others."
Groucho Marx B. H. Obama

Perfect. Sad and more than a little scary, but spot-on.

re: #13 savage_nation

Hey savage, there you are!

re: #20 ggt

flip-flop, waffle, . . . .

what should the next word be.

It's like one of those intelligent word games.

Flip, flop, waffle, pancake...

re: #18 jaunte

"These are my principles; if you don't like them I have others."
Groucho Marx B. H. Obama

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

re: #21 blue_like_jazz

gin and tonic, anyone? =)

I'd love to!
Thanks :)

re: #19 Desert Dog

Anyone think the kid gloves the MSM are using on him will stay on all the way to November? Or, will they at some point, have to tell the truth about the fine Junior Senator from Illinois?

They will stay on.

Good night Lizards, see the thread is in good hands.

re: #28 coquimbojoe

Good night Lizards, see the thread is in good hands.

Good night Joe, take care!

now i want pancakes for some reason.

damn it sage, you got me thinking about food with all your fancy hamburger talk on the downstairs thread!

You know, this is flip flop all over again.

I also have a feeling it will be Dole all over again as well.

This guy is practically handing the RNC their material for commercials, and I'll be damned if they end up actually using it.

I lamented John "do you know who I am" Kerry, but Hussein Obama flat-out scares the sh!t out of me. My fear is palpable.

re: #26 MigueldowninMexico

I'd love to!
Thanks :)

*clink*

cheers, my friend!

re: #3 rorschach

I'm convinced that this country will never, ever elect Michelle Obama First Lady.

I got stuck on a truck with a company driver who constantly listened to Air America. There was some idiot on (I didn't get the name) who was going on and on about how Mrs. McCain was creepy and how M.O. would make an excellent First Lady.

Arguing about First Ladies is a symptom of ideological lameness.

re: #20 ggt

...waiver, lie (because that's what it is in fact), autocountermand...

re: #31 blue_like_jazz

now i want pancakes for some reason.

damn it sage, you got me thinking about food with all your fancy hamburger talk on the downstairs thread!

And he washes it down with mezcal!

Cali crazyfornian...

re: #27 wolfie

They will stay on.

I think you are right.....of course they will get the "dreaded gauntlet of doom" out to smack McNasty around though....

re: #29 savage_nation

Ha!

re: #4 laZardo

What a n00b.

/oh yeah, I'm using the n-word.

That 's not the n-word yo have to worry about.

re: #34 blue_like_jazz

*clink*

cheers, my friend!

Salud! ;)

re: #40 The Other Les

That 's not the n-word yo have to worry about.

nancy?

re: #40 The Other Les

I'm just using the street term for it.

/i.e. "newbie."

re: #43 savage_nation

I would have left the idiot at a rest area

I was off the truck in less than 24 hours. He also made a safety violation so I reported him on that.

To be fair, it is the Reuters headlines which suggest flipflopping. I don't think Obama himself has flipflopped here, after all there is a difference between disagreeing and criticizing.

re: #38 Desert Dog

I think you are right.....of course they will get the "dreaded gauntlet of doom" out to smack McNasty around though....

Well put! They won't even pretend to play fair.

okay, i'm really going now. have fun, mind your manners!

"I was against the criticism, before I was for it..." --BHO

re: #47 wolfie

Well put! They won't even pretend to play fair.

Still, what they call the New Media is a force to reckon with by this 2008. Fortunately.

"I'm not going to comment on former President Carter. He's a private citizen. It's not my place to discuss who he shouldn't meet with,"
....
"That's why I have a fundamental difference with President Carter and disagree with his decision to meet with Hamas," Obama said. "We must not negotiate with a terrorist group intent on Israel's destruction.

And Reuters blithely reports both statements, but not the incongruency.

re: #48 blue_like_jazz

Goodnight!

(love your avatar!) :)

re: #48 blue_like_jazz

okay, i'm really going now. have fun, mind your manners!

Have a great day! :)

re: #49 savage_nation

Good for you. what did he do that was unsafe?

Hours of service.

#35 The Other Les

re: #3 rorschach

I got stuck on a truck with a company driver who constantly listened to Air America. There was some idiot on (I didn't get the name) who was going on and on about how Mrs. McCain was creepy and how M.O. would make an excellent First Lady.

Arguing about First Ladies is a symptom of ideological lameness.

I never said there wouldn't be a few dumb-asses that would think Michelle would make a gre-e-a-t first lady.

I said that the country will never go for it.

re: #52 jaunte

"I'm not going to comment on former President Carter. He's a private citizen. It's not my place to discuss who he shouldn't meet with,"
....
"That's why I have a fundamental difference with President Carter and disagree with his decision to meet with Hamas," Obama said. "We must not negotiate with a terrorist group intent on Israel's destruction.

And Reuters blithely reports both statements, but not the incongruency.

And they can't use "We Report, You Decide" as an excuse for not doing so...

Obama seems to be following in the flip-flop footsteps of the self proclaimed "first black president" Bill Clinton while embracing the foreign policies of Jimmy Carter. All he is lacking is to announce that,if elected,he will have Farrakhan locate the Oval Office aboard the Mother Ship and the Circle of Laugh will be complete.

re: #17 ggt

Newt was on Hannity and Skeletor tonite --he did a good job of sizing up the Obama/Pelosi/Emmanuel backlash over Bush's speech to the Knesset.

He said they must feel guilty to assume Bush was talking about them.

I heard John Podhoretz on Hugh Hewitt's show this afternoon discussing the same coordinated, rather hysterical (not in the funny way) reaction to Bush's appeasement comment.

His posited the idea that perhaps they were trying to "elevate" Obama's status by depicting him as being 'attacked' by the sitting president instead of Clinton. Only he expressed it a lot better than that.

re: #52 jaunte

And Reuters blithely reports both statements, but not the incongruency.

Apparently, they loooove waffles.

re: #59 Opilio

They try to interject themselves into everything--So the will coverage by the MSM. As long as the general public keeps hearing their names, they will have jobs.

The idea of Barack as president depresses me.

Ironic that the US press looked back after the invasion of Iraq and saw itself as being unskeptical and therefore contributing to the build up for war. They then went to the other extreme and will not report anything positive on Iraq, which has created the space for Obama to be a viable candidate.

Now, again, they aren't skeptical - there is a "rush to elect" that outstrips any "rush to war."

What will their regrets look like after they have brought about his election and then sets back our foreign policy 30 years to the Carter era?

The MSM is begging Obama to be POTUS. Licking the floor before his feet. I think this will be the first election where virtually all the major outlets simply lie outright continuously until November. Not the lies we saw with Kerry...no...BIG LIES this time; Reporting the opposite of the World news; Completely fabricating reality beyond anything seen before.
It will be the beginning of the true end.

Obama will take any position deemed necessary to get elected, but he won't govern that way once in office. He has voted hard left too consistently for too long to truly be a weathervane politician. If people think he can be influenced to be something other than the leftist/marxist idolizer he's been for his entire life, they are deeply mistaken. He will govern from a hard-set ideological position... he always returns to that place when the time comes to choose.

Obama's just trying to promote diversity... he wants to be for and against everything at the same time... bourgeois concepts like contradictions be damned.

re: #60 gop_patriot

It's just dopey to report that a candidate for president made a statement that's directly contradictory to a statement he made on the same subject one week previous, and not even mention the contradiction in passing. I guess they think no one will notice.

re: #64 Daybrother

The MSM is begging Obama to be POTUS. Licking the floor before his feet. I think this will be the first election where virtually all the major outlets simply lie outright continuously until November. Not the lies we saw with Kerry...no...BIG LIES this time; Reporting the opposite of the World news; Completely fabricating reality beyond anything seen before.
It will be the beginning of the true end.

I kinda hope you're wrong.

re: #62 karmic_inquisitor

The idea of Barack as president depresses me.

Ironic that the US press looked back after the invasion of Iraq and saw itself as being unskeptical and therefore contributing to the build up for war. They then went to the other extreme and will not report anything positive on Iraq, which has created the space for Obama to be a viable candidate.

I don't follow. How did the decrease in violence in Iraq create a space for Obama to be a viable candidate? Many people supported him because, unlike Clinton, he was opposed to the war from the outset.

The MSM in the past have turned on their love interests and savaged them. This could happen with the MSM/Obama love-fest.
It will be an interesting few months.

re: #64 Daybrother

The MSM is begging Obama to be POTUS. Licking the floor before his feet. I think this will be the first election where virtually all the major outlets simply lie outright continuously until November. Not the lies we saw with Kerry...no...BIG LIES this time; Reporting the opposite of the World news; Completely fabricating reality beyond anything seen before.
It will be the beginning of the true end.

Sounds kinda like "Newspeak" to me. What year is this anyway?

re: #71 savage_nation

Goodnight savage. Stay safe on the road.

Vote for Obama, cut out the middlemen in the war on terror. Why make war on terror when we can be allies with the terrorists?

re: #62 karmic_inquisitor

What will their regrets look like after they have brought about his election and then sets back our foreign policy 30 years to the Carter era?

I would expect them to be in a full state of denial.

re: #46 rednaxela

To be fair, it is the Reuters headlines which suggest flipflopping. I don't think Obama himself has flipflopped here, after all there is a difference between disagreeing and criticizing.

Yeah, I think the inconsistency is more in the reporting than in Obama's stance. He is clear about saying that he would not meet w/ Hamas in both articles and also that he doesn't approve of Carter's doing so.

#70 Opilio
re: #64 Daybrother
I kinda hope you're wrong.

I really really hope so too. But so far, I've seen nothing but the general belief that it is so terribly important to the Constitution and America to elect the Obamessiah--so important that no questions should be asked and no opposition should be reported.

Peggy Shapiro of American Thinker said it this way:

Just present Barack Obama with a controversial issue which requires a firm stand on principle, and we are guaranteed change.

re: #72 JustMyView

I don't follow. How did the decrease in violence in Iraq create a space for Obama to be a viable candidate? Many people supported him because, unlike Clinton, he was opposed to the war from the outset.

It's not the decrease in violence that benefits Obama. It's the reluctance of the MSM to report anything positive that would buttress the claim that we're losing/lost the war and that Obama was a prophet from the beginning.

In general, it seems to be difficult for people who speak frequently in public to maintain perfect consistency. Here, for instance, is a report on McCain's stance re dealing w/ Hamas based on an interview just after the election in Gaza.

But given his own position on Hamas, McCain is the last politician who should be attacking Obama. Two years ago, just after Hamas won the Palestinian parliamentary elections, I interviewed McCain for the British network Sky News's "World News Tonight" program. Here is the crucial part of our exchange:

I asked: "Do you think that American diplomats should be operating the way they have in the past, working with the Palestinian government if Hamas is now in charge?"

McCain answered: "They're the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another, and I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy towards Hamas because of their dedication to violence and the things that they not only espouse but practice, so . . . but it's a new reality in the Middle East. I think the lesson is people want security and a decent life and decent future, that they want democracy. Fatah was not giving them that.

re: #19 Desert Dog

Well I have to say three things: One is that I believe MOST of the MSM is firmly behind Obama.
But there may very well come a time when some enterprising "journalist" see's something about Obama that he or she just CAN'T NOT PUBLISH. Whether his/her editor will allow publication will depend on the editor's (and maybe publisher's thoughts) as they weigh the pro's and con's of going against the rest of the MSM and the backlash that may occur and the Pulitzer Prize they might win for publishing it.
Also, most of the MSM really do HATE Hillary - well hell, we all know why, so do we!
Finally, in the general election, there certainly should be DEBATES - the old fashioned kind where each candidate asks the other candidate questions and the other candidate answers and then the first candidate gets a short rebuttal to that answer. Then the other candidate asks a question of the first candidate, and etc., with the "Moderator" there SOLELY to time each candidates question, answer and reply to the answer. IF McCain succeeds in getting this kind of "old fashioned" debate, then it's over for Obama. He has shown, time and again, that he can't think on his feet - he needs scripted questions and answers. And that will be made manifest on LIVE TELEVISION to the American People. It won't change the true-believer's feelings, but it will make it impossible for the MSM to misquote either candidate after the debate; too many folks will see it LIVE and a lot of us will record it.
So, absent my first reaction about finding out something that an MSM outlet just CAN'T resist reporting, I think the MSM is behind Obama, but only until the general election.
AND I'D personally like to know who the nutjob was who decided members of the MSM would be the ones to ask the questions in the first place!

What's really amazing is the people they've trotted out to wax hysteric about this. Come on, are Daschle and Kerry the best they've got?

/Yeah, maybe so

re: #64 Daybrother

The MSM is begging Obama to be POTUS. Licking the floor before his feet. I think this will be the first election where virtually all the major outlets simply lie outright continuously until November. Not the lies we saw with Kerry...no...BIG LIES this time; Reporting the opposite of the World news; Completely fabricating reality beyond anything seen before.
It will be the beginning of the true end.

Freedom of speech and the press is the freedom to speak and and publish the truth.

Willful deception of the members of the electorate is clearly a harmful act and should be a crime. But how can an enforcement mechanism be created without it being used as an instrument of oppression? A power granted is a power that will be abused.

Hows that for a nightmare?

What will their regrets look like after they have brought about his election and then sets back our foreign policy 30 years to the Carter era?

They will do as they do now. They will blame it all on Bush.

Good night all. It's always a privilege to read the posts,and be able to post,here at LGF. Information,humor,thought provoking views...LGF has it all.

re: #82 solomonpanting

It's not the decrease in violence that benefits Obama. It's the reluctance of the MSM to report anything positive that would buttress the claim that we're losing/lost the war and that Obama was a prophet from the beginning.

But if they've refused to report it, how do we know that it's occurring?

re: #74 WayDownSouthInBama

1984 + 24.

Night all!

weet dreams!

re: #69 jaunte

You can be had McCain or Bush done such a thing, the second Reuters piece would have started out: "In apparent contradiction to his previous statements on former President Carter's historic meeting with Hamas, George Bush issued a harshly worded personal attack against the former president ..."

/ya think?

re: #72 JustMyView

I don't follow. How did the decrease in
violence in Iraq create a space for Obama to be a viable candidate?
Many people supported him because, unlike Clinton, he was opposed to
the war from the outset.

Sorry - I wasn't clear.

The press has not reported Iraq positiviely since the Duffler (sp?) report where WMD was not found in any significant quantities. At that point the press looked back and saw itself complicit in building a case for war by not being more skeptical (I don't agree with that view - western intelligence agencies were unanimous in seeing Saddam as having stockpiles and some capacity to produce WMDs.)

So they turned on the war and became "skeptical" to the degree that reporting any progress was a no no. For example, the surge is not reported as a success - they repeat the Pelosi talking points of "no political progress".

So that is what has created the space for Obama. Obama is the perfect candidate because he has no track record. When skepticism is directed at him they get translated into "personal attacks." Were there a voting record, then attacks on that record would be OK.

The press reports on Obama with zero skepticism, much the way they saw themselves reporting on WMD intelligence prior to the invasion.

I see an irony in that - you'd think they'd simply be skeptical on all fronts, but they aren't.

re: #79 JustMyView Uh, then why all the stories about Obama being HAMA's preferred candidate? Serious question here, not trying to be a smartass.

re: #5 Desert Dog

It won't matter....he will carry the 51st through 57th State and win anyway

very good.. sad, but true.

re: #92 AZfederalist

You can be had McCain or Bush done such a thing, the second Reuters piece would have started out: "In apparent contradiction to his previous statements on former President Carter's historic meeting with Hamas, George Bush issued a harshly worded personal attack against the former president ..."

/ya think?

Your parody stylings are sharp!

JustMyView is doing what it always does -- trying to divert the discussion away from the issue at hand.

And I still think this may be the old banned poster "View from Ireland," even though it has denied it. The styles are identical.

re: #72 JustMyView

I don't follow. How did the decrease in violence in Iraq create a space for Obama to be a viable candidate? Many people supported him because, unlike Clinton, he was opposed to the war from the outset.

I've basically come tho the conclusion that pacifism is a mental illness.

I also came to this nifty little conclusion:

Apparently they haven't noticed that the path to peace for a free nation invariably goes over the dead bodies of would-be conquerors and their pet quislings [traitors].

Real history isn't being taught in our schools anymore. Hell. I had to take up Dungeons and Dragons before I started my own private research into military and political history.

(Yes, D & D leads to Lizardism.)

re: #92 AZfederalist

PIMF, Should have been "you can bet ..."

re: #84 JustMyView Ah yeah, we had some discussion about that on either the last thread or the one before that, and got to see the video on that and frankly the video doesn't support the translation. As really grumpy big dog johnson put it so succinctly: At no point does McCain say he'd be willing to meet with Hamas, period.

re: #101 AZfederalist

Mulligan on the t.

#99
Charles, your using "it" as a pronoun is quite funny.

I wonder if normal people care who is President. McCain and Obama are both strange birds. Can we really pick the cuckoo? Neither says a thing that isn't restated the next day. I will admit McCain has a bit of advantage there. At least he knows what he has professed for 20 years: Open Borders, higher taxes, soooo sincere, hates America as it is, First and Second Amendments need their fine hand at interpretation, a bit of a temper problem, believes the Globe is dangerously hot and that Polar Bears are disappearing. WTH!

re: #5 Desert Dog

It won't matter....he will carry the 51st through 57th State and win anyway

Q. How many electoral votes do states 51-57 have?
A. Precisely as many as BHO will needs, +3 (to account for faithless electors, Hillary moles, etc.)

re: #100 The Other Les

So, in your case, the dragon ultimately won?

re: #84 JustMyView

"They're the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another...

The key phrase is "one way or another". To assume that can only mean direct talks or negotiations is mistaken. There are multiple ways of dealing with them, words are only one of them. I'll leave some of the others up to your imagination. After all, we did "deal" with Saddam, sooner or later...

re: #86 AZfederalist

What's really amazing is the people they've trotted out to wax hysteric about this. Come on, are Daschle and Kerry the best they've got?

/Yeah, maybe so

One would think that when a prominent member and union leader is elected President of the United States for the other party that they would notice that they have a problem.

I'm looking for an opportunity to use the phrase "dumber than a Democrat" in some work of fiction that I'm writing.

re: #105 Dan G. Why do you find that funny?

re: #46 rednaxela

re: #79 JustMyView

You might read through RTLM's link to get a better idea of Obama's BS about Hamas. His advisor was already talking to Hamas before this became an issue.

re: #81 RTLM

Peggy Shapiro of American Thinker said it this way:

RE: #87 The Other Les
I agree. Especially about the nightmare. But the Republic has survived so far with those rights because Society held a check on those who wrote the News and then went home to dinner with their neighbors. I don't think there are any social rules anymore regarding Leftward politics. Therein lies the disaster I fear. But you are also so correct that free speech cannot be regulated other than by social reproach. The alternatives are many and loath in this World; Africa, China, so many Muslim Countries. And besides, what could we do? register reporters like they want to register gun owners? Nope.
Society has to agree with you that false reporting can do harm to many---"Newsweek lied dozens died".

re: #84 JustMyView

In general, it seems to be difficult for people who speak frequently in public to maintain perfect consistency...

Sure seems so, for instance Obama can go from introducing someone as his "close spiritual adviser" to "who is this guy? I had no clue" in just a few news cycles flat..

Good evening, Lizards. I can't sleep and I just retrieved my laptop back from my kid. Politics tonight?

re: #106 pat

I wonder if normal people care who is President. McCain and Obama are both strange birds. Can we really pick the cuckoo? Neither says a
thing that isn't restated the next day. I will admit McCain has a bit
of advantage there. At least he knows what he has professed for 20
years: Open Borders, higher taxes, soooo sincere, hates America as it
is, First and Second Amendments need their fine hand at interpretation,
a bit of a temper problem, believes the Globe is dangerously hot and
that Polar Bears are disappearing. WTH!

McCain is for higher taxes? When did he vote for that? I know he voted against a couple of tax cuts, but when did he vote to raise taxes?

Regardless, I am a one issue voter until the war is over and the Jihad is re-exported to its point of origin. McCain has my vote.

re: #111 The Other Les

One would think that when a prominent member and union leader is elected President of the United States for the other party that they would notice that they have a problem.

I'm looking for an opportunity to use the phrase "dumber than a Democrat" in some work of fiction that I'm writing.

Reminded me of this: "... following orders, not knowing what they're doing... not caring..."

In fact I often speak out of my context.

re: #89 JustMyView

But if they've refused to report it, how do we know that it's occurring?

re: #89 JustMyView

But if they've refused to report it, how do we know that it's occurring?

That's why God Gore created the internet.

re: #110 stevieray Hi stevieray! Please take a look at my #102!

re: #120 pat

As long as you remember to wipe, you should be ok with that...

Must be painful though.

WASH
YER
HANDS,
R

Hello, I must be going!

/Drive-by post. Damn virus won't go away.

G'nite, all.

re: #113 realwest

Why do you find that funny?

Don't know but its funny, fitting, and wholly proper.

re: #99 Charles

JustMyView is doing what it always does -- trying to divert the discussion away from the issue at hand.

And I still think this may be the old banned poster "View from Ireland," even though it has denied it. The styles are identical.

Well Charles, I was just about to ask JustMyView an important question but perhaps you could put it it in the form of a poll.

Does JustMyView have brown eyes?, or is he full of shit?, or, does he have brown eyes and is full of shit. The world wants to know the opinion of LGF posters as regards the excremental waste of time and waste, JustMyView.

re: #118 karmic_inquisitor

McCain has voted consistently for higher taxes and has voted consistently against lower. His new found enthusiasm for Bush's tax cut is a fraud. Read my lips.

re: #85 realwest

He has shown, time and again, that he can't think on his feet - he needs scripted questions and answers.

I'm personally a big believer in the idea of thinking ahead as much as possible.

This is course also a way to train yourself to to think on your feet.

The word puppet keeps coming to mind about BO.

re: #124 Render

Now that is a shitty thing to say. Yes. McCain is much better on Mil issues. Much.

re: #126 Dan G. Ah, ok, I thought you were making fun of Charles and it's not nice to fool with the boss on his own blog!

re: #128 pat

McCain has voted consistently for higher taxes and has voted consistently against lower. His new found enthusiasm for Bush's tax cut is a fraud. Read my lips.

Even when he says he's never voted for a tax increase? I'm sure someone would have called him on it by now.

35 heads of state are getting together in Lima, Peru; Fri-Sun for a EU, Latin America meeting.

Angela Merkel will be there, accused by Chavez of being a nazi.
This was because she said yesterday that she adviced Latin America not to heed Chavez as any kind of leader.
So, he anwered that she's a nazi.
I don't know if they will see each other face to face in Lima.
It won't be a nice moment.
I hope the EU supports Merkel and at least say something about this.

Raul Castro is not going. Selling himself short as his brother used to do.

And Mexico's Calderon has a meeting one-on-one with the lesser devil Evo Morales from Bolivia tomorrow.
Let's see what comes out of that.
It's funny, cause as the left here doesn't recognize Calderon as President, now they are going to call Morales a traitor ROFL!
Zapatero, Correa (from Ecuador) and even Chavez have been called traitors by the Mexican left because of accepting the fact that the president is the president LOL

Yes, the world is pretty complicated right now.

re: #106 pat

I wonder if normal people care who is President. McCain and Obama are both strange birds. Can we really pick the cuckoo? Neither says a thing that isn't restated the next day. I will admit McCain has a bit of advantage there. At least he knows what he has professed for 20 years: Open Borders, higher taxes, soooo sincere, hates America as it is, First and Second Amendments need their fine hand at interpretation, a bit of a temper problem, believes the Globe is dangerously hot and that Polar Bears are disappearing. WTH!

Do you have a point?

A waffle has many holes

re: #122 realwest

Hi stevieray! Please take a look at my #102!

Hey realwest! Good to see you and the grumpy dog on the job... nothing sneaks by you!

Great article: [Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Pull quote: The idolatry of Mr Obama is a shame, really. The Illinois senator is indeed, an unusually talented, inspiring and charismatic figure. His very ethnicity offers an exciting departure. But he is not a saint. He is a smart and eloquent man with a personal history that is startlingly shallow set against the scale of the office he seeks to hold. It is not only legitimate, but necessary, to scrutinise his past and infer what it might tell us about his beliefs, in the absence of the normal record of achievement expected in a presidential nominee.

If the past 40 years have taught us anything they have surely taught that premature canonisation is an almost certain guarantee of subsequent deep disappointment.

re: #128 pat Hey Pat! Y'all need to be careful with what you say. Remember what happened to the last person to say "Read My Lips"? He too was talking about taxes! LOL!

re: #135 haakondahl

Yes. I have no enthusiasm for this candidate. None.

re: #108 AZfederalist

So, in your case, the dragon ultimately won?

Kinda. I actually preferred to play and run TRAVELLER but the friend to introduced me to RPG's was more into running D & D.

re: #134 MigueldowninMexico

Will King Juan Carlos be there to tell Chavez to STFU again? :3

re: #125 NY Nana

Nite. And knock that cold!

re: #119 Dan G.

Reminded me of this: "... following orders, not knowing what they're doing... not caring..."

Yes.

re: #136 Ojoe

It is too late for the Mt Wilson camera, isn't it?

re: #135 haakondahl

Do you have a point?

I do!

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re: #137 stevieray Thanks, but the real credit goes to grumpy - he watched it and came to that conclussion before I bothered to watch it, thinking the transcript was going to be correct (plus it's late and I don't want to wake my Mom!).

I'd like to think of it as two long time lizards doing what lizards used to do on a regular basis: Check the facts!

re: #142 laZardo

Will King Juan Carlos be there to tell Chavez to STFU again? :3

Oh how I wish!
He most surely be there lol

re: #138 hermeneutics

If the past 40 years have taught us anything they have surely taught that premature canonization is an almost certain guarantee of subsequent deep disappointment.

And in fact a person of real worth would call a halt to the canonization tendencies right away.

IMHO

Nite all.

re: #134 MigueldowninMexico

Angela Merkel will be there, accused by Chavez of being a nazi.
This was because she said yesterday that she adviced Latin America not to heed Chavez as any kind of leader.
So, he anwered that she's a nazi.
I don't know if they will see each other face to face in Lima.

I hope she slaps him. Lord knows, it would play well in Germany! And it would be lauded by the left and right.

So true, Ojoe. So true.

Thinking about it, Republicans didn't "canonize" Reagan, the only plausible candidate, until after his tenure.

JFK predates me, but wasn't he a demi-god before his death, or did he become Camelot only after his death?

re: #145 hermeneutics

No, it shows some moonlight, but it is usually better at sunset. Here it is:

Mt Wilson Towercam, in the moonlight.

Good night all.

re: #149 MigueldowninMexico

Oh how I wish!
He most surely be there lol

Chavez said that Merkel was going to tell him to shut up!
That was very funny! LOL!

Implying that another Euro was ready to "oppress" him.
But it was sooooo funny LOL

re: #147 MigueldowninMexico

LOL. Buenos Notches, Senor.

re: #154 Ojoe

Oh, I LOVE it.

re: #152 haakondahl

I hope she slaps him. Lord knows, it would play well in Germany! And it would be lauded by the left and right.

I agree!

re: #140 pat

Yes. I have no enthusiasm for this candidate. None.

Well, there's a difference between having no enthusiasm and slagging him before the election. You are either trying to convince people not to vote for him, or you are just repeating the obvious.
I'm not enthusiastic about McCain. But I am FERVENT about not letting either of the other two in. Where do you stand on that?

re: #114 wolfie

re: #79 JustMyView

You might read through RTLM's link to get a better idea of Obama's BS about Hamas. His advisor was already talking to Hamas before this became an issue.

re: #81 RTLM

Yes, and I tracked this reference from yesterday's post about Shaykh Khalid Yasin being invited to speak at Sinclair Community College in Dayton, OH.
The FrontPage article had a link to Yasin's page, which, in turn had a link to THIS!
Notice the wording in the top section!

re: #156 pat

LOL. Buenos Notches, Senor.

Buenas noches, pat.

Izi rules!

re: #153 hermeneutics

Well when JFK was president, I was a kid in a Catholic grammar school, and as he was the first Catholic president he was pretty awesome to us.

Lots of crying when he was murdered.

Good night again ...

Back tomorrow.

Jumping to the next thread...

re: #160 LeePro

Do you mean, LeePro, this: "Survival of the Community ... Means Change" ?

re: #138 hermeneutics
Indeed it was a GREAT article! Thanks a lot for posting it and I recommend all y'all read the entire article contained in hermeneutics' link.
Very good, very intersting look at American Politics going back to Robert Kennedy's run.

re: #153 hermeneutics

So true, Ojoe. So true.

Thinking about it, Republicans didn't "canonize" Reagan, the only plausible candidate, until after his tenure.

JFK predates me, but wasn't he a demi-god before his death, or did he become Camelot only after his death?

After his death, he had serious issues before, that's why he was in
Texas that day. I saw him about an hour before Oswald pulled the trigger.

re: #153 hermeneutics
Nah, I lived through the JFK/Nixon election and frankly JFK could be witty and charming, but his canonization really didn't occur until after his murder. In fact, he was in Texas in November of 1963 because LBJ was worried about the polls in Texas saying JFK could be beaten in Texas.
And frankly speaking, I think he deserved all the
idolatry that came his way after his death.

re: #146 taxfreekiller

So, when the Senate votes on this bs ag worker amnesty tomorrow,

how will the three want to be Pres.'s vote,

my guess is one will not even be "present" to vote present.

ditto...amen

re: #147 MigueldowninMexico

 re: #135 haakondahl

 Do you have a point?

I do!

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Point! LOL!

I made many points two threads back whilst talking to myself for 15 minute, before I realized nobody was home!

LOLOL

re: #166 Bordm Hey Bordm, good to see you out here! Not enough of us older more mature folks out here these days! LOL!

re: #95 realwest

Uh, then why all the stories about Obama being HAMA's preferred candidate? Serious question here, not trying to be a smartass.

Sorry, I had a computer problem. Not sure I understand your question, but here goes . . .

The Hamas guy said, "We like Mr. Obama and hope he will win the election." That doesn't mean he likes them or would meet with them. He's said repeatedly in many different forums that he wouldn't unless they renounce violence and accept Israel's right to exist, which is the same position as that of GWB.

Does that answer your question?

re: #164 hermeneutics

Do you mean, LeePro, this: "Survival of the Community ... Means Change" ?

Yep.
Change!

I'm assuming you read the FrontPage piece?
Excerpt:

Khalid Yasin is one of the most notorious Islamic hate sheikhs in the world today. He had been widely condemned from the US to Britain to Australia for his virulent Wahhabist extremism, his intense anti-Americanism (despite the fact that he is an American-born convert), his justification of Islamic terrorism, his wild-eyed conspiracy theories, and his outright racial and religious bigotry. And an Australian news investigation found that Yasin had claimed academic degrees that the schools had no record or, and also discovered that he had engaged in outright fraud in his building his international Islamic media empire.

re: #170 realwest

Hey Bordm, good to see you out here! Not enough of us older more mature folks out here these days! LOL!

Hey buddy! Great to see ya! Mature? Is that just another way to admit we are now officially "old farts"?

re: #84 JustMyView

You seem to be ignorant of history. This is very brief:
Israel left Gaza in 2005. We all wanted to see if the Palis could handle that little state. A civil war ensued between Hamas and Fatah, w/ Hamas gaining the upper hand. Finally they had a ceasefire and an election, which Hamas won.
At that moment (January 2006) the interview w/ McCain took place. He expressed serious reservations about Hamas because of their violent past, then said they are the government and we'll have to deal with it one way or another, sooner or later.
Since that time, any hope we had that Hamas would become civilized after assuming the role as governing party has been dashed. It remains an army of thugs whose main interest seems to be terrorizing Israel. That is why Bush has never met with Hamas and McCain has consistently supported the president on this issue.
You've been suckered by media taking things out of historical context.
They didn't change into responsible governors once they had control.

re: #170 realwest

Hey Bordm, good to see you out here! Not enough of us older more mature folks out here these days! LOL!

I'm here, { { {realwest} } }!

re: #174 wolfie

Ding, ding, ding, ding!

re: #160 LeePro

CHANGE !

re: #171 JustMyView

The Hamas guy said, "We like Mr. Obama and hope he will win the election." That doesn't mean he likes them or would meet with them. He's said repeatedly in many different forums that he wouldn't unless they renounce violence and accept Israel's right to exist, which is the same position as that of GWB.

I wonder what could have prompted them to make such a statement, then.

Maybe Hamas is buying into the whole "Change we can believe in!" bit too.

Well, sorry y'all but it is waaay past this old fart's bedtime (2:21 AM Eastern time!) and I gotta get some sleep - hope you all have a good night/early morning and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

re: #179 realwest

Good night, nice to see you.

re: #179 realwest

Well, sorry y'all but it is waaay past this old fart's bedtime (2:21 AM Eastern time!) and I gotta get some sleep - hope you all have a good night/early morning and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

Me too. It gets late real fast.

re: #99 Charles

JustMyView is doing what it always does -- trying to divert the discussion away from the issue at hand.

And I still think this may be the old banned poster "View from Ireland," even though it has denied it. The styles are identical.

I think I was on topic. Just wasn't in agreement. And, really, I am not View from Ireland. The style may be similar, but that's a coincidence, as is the similarity in names.

Bush schooled the Muj today. warning psychological nudity*

what a brilliant moment in the GWB administration, this will resonate for the near decades, hopefully.

Not boiler plate, but iron willed, see the Syrian work. Will Binni (sp. check)take over?, what a wonderful ally.

Will Johnny Mac? If we had trouble in the south, it would be nice to know we have an ally in the north a good VP. Romney. where are the Olympics in 2012?

this thing could get out of hand become very very dangerous...Speaking of FDT. He's gotta have a cabinet post.

OT, but i get a bit disjointed : ) TNDT

What's Colin Powell up to? can he sew up the OJ situation?

Foul play, Charles. You neglected to give any context... or a legitimate timeline. What happened in those five day that might have caused Obama to change positions?

On the 11, Jimmy hadn't landed in Palestinian soil yet. There wasn't an actual event to condemn.

On the 15th, he laid the wreath on Yassr Arafat's tomb. On the 16th, he actually met with Hamas.

Now, I'll grant you that most of us aren't too surprised the Jimmy would be an donkey's hindquarters in public. But if you're a Democratic presidential candidate, you might want to at least wait until you see *what the man actually does* before condemning him. Came to think of it, if you're a President you might want to wait too.

I know it's a bit startling, but Obama actually does think in public. We haven't actually seen a president think in eight years, so I know the sight's a bit startling, but...

Obama actually does think in public

LOL yeah, Ive seen it

Its actually scary when he does. REAL scary.

Its like hes making shit up as his mouth opens.

Did you see his "speech" about how we are squandering our arabic translators in Iraq that could be used in Afghanistan (you know, where the "real war on terror" is being fought?)

Mid sentence he realized he was mixing up his talking points and that arabic isnt spoken in Afghanistan (the man is only capable of thinking in talking points) and shifted gears. Dont worry, no one noticed (or cared). After all, he is the MESSIAH

For mercy's sake, he's running for President. Of course he's "only capable of speaking in talking points" in public. That's how you conduct interviews these days.

As for the "translator" issue... I suspect that he had something more along the lines of cultural/anthropological experts in mind. We've seen articles about how we need more such people at work in the military before. But I can't put words in his mouth. All I can say is, this has been an ironman-class primary, and stupid things are coming out of everyone's mouth. (I feel confident that Obama does, in fact, know that there are 50 states.) Let he who feels that Republicans make fewer misstatements in public throw the first volume of "Bushisms! Volume 1". Careful, it's a pretty heavy book.

All I'm trying to say here is that if certain politicians waited until they had all the facts, rather than "thinking on their feet" and giving a knee-jerk reaction...

Well, then, the phrases "Mission Accomplished" and "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job" might not be coming back to haunt the Republicans this election cycle.

But I can guarantee you, they will be.

Change? He's no different than the clinton's circa 1990's

finger in the wind. what ever is convenient. No core values.

Obama should be touchy when it comes to Carter. If Obama is elected - he will be Jimmy Carter part 2.

Who knew Change meant Changing positions all the time?

Just get use to it.

it is so obvious that obama is not a leader. he is a follower, changing his 'views' based on what he thinks will put him in the best light at the moment. it wil be disastrous for our country if he is allowed to waffle in the office of potus. let him chew on his waffle in the private sector.

Whew, that's a relief.

DNA tests exonerate 'Lizard Man' in van attack

clear case of obamafuscation [from the root obamafuscate - urban dictionary - look it up].