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Fri, May 16, 2008 at 3:10:11 am PDT

The typewriting machine, when played with expression, is no more annoying than the piano when played by a sister or near relation.

Oscar Wilde

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1 rightside  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:12:55am

Morning Lizards!

2 rightside  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:14:03am

TGIF, by the way.

3 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:15:23am

{rightside}

May is going by too fast--would someone please add an extra week?

4 rabidfox  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:16:06am

And a good morning to you, Rightside. Are you getting up, or are you like me trying to decide if you're ready to go to bed?

5 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:16:31am

I wonder what Oscar would've said about computers.

6 Pater Coop  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:17:21am

Good morning, everybody. History exam Monday, Latin exams Wednesday--I smell summer!

7 rightside  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:17:30am

re: #4 rabidfox

I wake up automatically at 5am, a product of 20 years in the Navy. Now if I could only get to bed earlier! LOL

8 rightside  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:17:46am

re: #3 goddessoftheclassroom

{Goddess}

9 gop_patriot  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:19:03am

re: #3 goddessoftheclassroom


May is going by too fast--would someone please add an extra week?

I wish. My son is graduating from high school (homeschool) a week from Friday (today). :) Having a nice graduation ceremony with the other homeschoolers from around town, it's going to be good.

10 rabidfox  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:19:11am

Ah, I see. Surprisingly, I had no problem what so ever giving in to my owlishnish when I retired. Never really liked wasting a large part of the day on mornings. And it's raining. Think I'll hit the sack now. Have a good day y'all.

11 gop_patriot  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:20:45am

re: #10 rabidfox

Goodnight, rabidfox, good morning, everyone else. :)

12 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:22:39am

Soros is a palindrome.

13 rightside  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:24:07am

re: #11 gop_patriot

good morning

14 gop_patriot  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:24:23am

re: #12 MandyManners

Soros is a palindrome.

*snort*
Hiya, are you always up this early?

15 redc1c4  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:25:25am

re: #10 rabidfox

Ah, I see. Surprisingly, I had no problem what so ever giving in to my owlishnish when I retired. Never really liked wasting a large part of the day on mornings. And it's raining. Think I'll hit the sack now. Have a good day y'all.

"Never stand when you can sit, never sit when you can lie down, and never lie down without going to sleep."
/Field Soldiers Creed

think i'll pop smoke and head for the rack myownself....

L8r!

16 opnion  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:26:12am

Good Morning Lizards. Is Barry still in a snit?

17 rightwinger3  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:26:23am

re: #12 MandyManners

Soros is a palindrome.

Not only that but he's a rich palindrome. And an ass.

18 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:26:48am

re: #14 gop_patriot

*snort*
Hiya, are you always up this early?

Very rarely. I'm usually just now waking up.

19 gop_patriot  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:27:05am

re: #13 rightside

good morning

20 years in the Navy, huh? :) Thanks for your service!

What did you do in the Navy; are you retired now?

20 gop_patriot  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:27:38am

re: #15 redc1c4

'Night, red. :)

21 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:28:02am

re: #16 opnion

Good Morning Lizards. Is Barry still in a snhit?

Why, yes. Yes he is.

22 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:28:37am

re: #17 rightwinger3

Not only that but he's a rich palindrome. And an ass.

Indeedy!

23 gop_patriot  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:28:47am

re: #18 MandyManners

Very rarely. I'm usually just now waking up.

I've usually gone to bed by now, but tonight I am just not sleepy at all.

/It'll sneak up on me tomorrow around 3 in the afternoon... :/

24 redc1c4  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:30:29am

re: #20 gop_patriot

'Night, red. :)

more like "morning", but i imagine the snoring will be the same.... ask 2H6. %-)

see y'all in a few.

25 rightside  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:31:01am

re: #19 gop_patriot

I was a fire control technician, operating and maintaining the ships guided missile fire control systems. Yes, retired from the Navy, now instructing that same thing in civilian life. You're welcome

26 opnion  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:31:36am

re: #21 MandyManners

Why, yes. Yes he is.


Hmmm, Bet Michelle thinks that, "This is not good for my kids."
But you know the Bush twins loved to hear their father refered to as a 'War Criminal."

27 gop_patriot  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:33:21am

re: #25 rightside

Very cool! :) Now, a question from a civilian with no Military knowledge whatsoever... what's your avatar mean?

28 rightside  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:35:59am

re: #27 gop_patriot

Thats the rank/rating badge I wore before retiring. It's the enlisted rank of E6, or First Class Petty Officer.

29 opnion  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:36:59am

New message from Bin Laden. He wants Jihad! Who knew?
He said that "We will not give up an inch of Palestine as long as a true Muslim lives" I don't know if he formally endorsed Barry, but I think that he requeted a new yard sign.

30 LeftJustAintRight  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:37:57am

Foreplay/Long Time
Mornin everyone
Is it Beerthirty yet ?

31 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:38:12am

Got to run--I'm going in early to work on the school's literary magazine...

Take care and have a great day!

32 gop_patriot  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:39:45am

re: #28 rightside

Thanks! I learn something new every day here. :)

/getting tired, finally- now that it's freakin' morning. bleah.

33 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:40:52am

re: #23 gop_patriot

I went to bed early but got back up when I didn't go to sleep soon enough.

34 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:41:22am

re: #26 opnion

Hmmm, Bet Michelle thinks that, "This is not good for my kids."
But you know the Bush twins loved to hear their father refered to as a 'War Criminal."

Well, they're older than the Obama kids but, nasty is nasty.

35 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:41:38am

re: #31 goddessoftheclassroom

Ta ta!

36 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:42:34am

re: #29 opnion

New message from Bin Laden. He wants Jihad! Who knew?
He said that "We will not give up an inch of Palestine as long as a true Muslim lives" I don't know if he formally endorsed Barry, but I think that he requeted a new yard sign.

Has his subscription to Better Caves and Rubble run out yet?

37 godfrey  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:42:44am

Good morning to the scaly herd!

38 gop_patriot  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:42:52am

re: #29 opnion

Is that all, just talked about Palestine?

/lol about the yard sign

39 AmeriDan  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:43:26am

re: #27 gop_patriot

Very cool! :) Now, a question from a civilian with no Military knowledge whatsoever... what's your avatar mean?

re: #28 rightside

Thats the rank/rating badge I wore before retiring. It's the enlisted rank of E6, or First Class Petty Officer.

Rightside, you get all the "gals" with that avatar. What's a former third class with only on chevron to do? :)

BTW, good morning to you and everyone.

Hello gop_patriot.

40 gop_patriot  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:45:08am

re: #30 LeftJustAintRight

Saved that to my "music" playlist on YouTube. I am out of beer, and finally ready to sleep, I think. It's going to be one of those days, getting by on 2 hours of sleep is no fun. LOL

41 rightside  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:45:38am

re: #39 AmeriDan

lol, hardly!

Rank matters not, everyone has a job to do. Thank you for keeping those boilers boiling! IIRC...

42 gop_patriot  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:46:44am

re: #39 AmeriDan

Ha! :) Hi, Dan!

43 LeftJustAintRight  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:46:47am

re: #40 gop_patriot

2 hours sleep
Thats 90 minutes more than you need
LOL
Have FUN

44 AmeriDan  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:47:20am

re: #41 rightside

lol, hardly!

Rank matters not, everyone has a job to do. Thank you for keeping those boilers boiling! IIRC...

IRBT.

Now I keep them going for Veterans at the VA Medical Center.

45 opnion  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:47:26am

re: #38 gop_patriot

Is that all, just talked about Palestine?

/lol about the yard sign


There was the usual stuff about Muslim duty to wage Jihad ( I don't think that he meant Peaceful inner struggle)
What is new is that he is now saying that the principal reason for Jihad is Palestine

. It used to be the Great Satan & infedels in Saudi Arabia.

46 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:50:47am

re: #45 opnion

There was the usual stuff about Muslim duty to wage Jihad ( I don't think that he meant Peaceful inner struggle)
What is new is that he is now saying that the principal reason for Jihad is Palestine

. It used to be the Great Satan & infedels in Saudi Arabia.

I reckon he got the Nakba Memo.

47 opnion  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:52:58am

re: #46 MandyManners

I reckon he got the Nakba Memo.

Ya know this was just an audio tape. I think that the evil old fool is taking a dirt bath & he found out that all of those virgins are Rosie O'donnell. It would serve him right.

48 AmeriDan  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:53:22am

re: #45 opinion

Are you suggesting that some Muslims may have an ulterior motive?

/shocked

49 opnion  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:54:45am

re: #48 AmeriDan

Are you suggesting that some Muslims may have an ulterior motive?

/shocked


Hey, they don't like dogs. Anything is possible.

50 ciaospirit  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:55:04am

Look at they way this AP story starts out. The arrogance of this "reporter." And this is what passes for news writing.

By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer 52 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Sorry, Sen. Clinton. Michigan and Florida can't save your campaign. Interviews with those considering how to handle the two states' banished convention delegates found little interest in the former first lady's best-case scenario.

51 Pater Coop  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:55:18am

Going to brew coffee. Y'all have a great day!

52 trailortrash  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:55:22am

GoodMorning Lizards :)

53 gop_patriot  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:55:22am

re: #45 opnion

Ah, just one of the tapes he made right before he fell out, probably. IF he was still alive, he'd make a tape and hold up a New York Times or something.

But he won't, he's dead. Gone. Crawled up the curtain and joined the Choir Invisible. He's a Late Terrorist.

54 gop_patriot  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:57:28am

re: #50 ciaospirit

Look at they way this AP story starts out. The arrogance of this "reporter." And this is what passes for news writing.

She's a little snotty, isn't she. The word "unbiased" isn't in most journalists' vocabulary anymore.

55 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:58:47am

re: #47 opnion

Ya know this was just an audio tape. I think that the evil old fool is taking a dirt bath & he found out that all of those virgins are Rosie O'donnell. It would serve him right.

How can his jihadis fabricate it? And, if it is fabricated, why haven't our experts told us that? What good does it do for the truth to not be told?

56 opnion  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:59:38am

re: #53 gop_patriot

Ah, just one of the tapes he made right before he fell out, probably. IF he was still alive, he'd make a tape and hold up a New York Times or something.

But he won't, he's dead. Gone. Crawled up the curtain and joined the Choir Invisible. He's a Late Terrorist.

Yup, I think that he has joined his Prophet in hell.Could have been a suicide. you know, 'Die Hard Cub Fan" & he did not want to see 100 years without a World Series Championship."

57 gop_patriot  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:59:42am

re: #51 Pater Coop

See ya later! :)

re: #52 trailortrash

Good morning, trailor!

/I'm outta here, y'all have a great morning! :)

58 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 3:59:50am

re: #50 ciaospirit

Look at they way this AP story starts out. The arrogance of this "reporter." And this is what passes for news writing.

That is disgusting!

59 AmeriDan  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:00:00am

re: #53 gop_patriot

If the murderous ba$tard is still alive (with his kidney problems, age, living in caves, etc.) I want his primary care physician.

That guy is a frickin medical genius!

60 gop_patriot  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:00:48am

re: #56 opnion

ROFLOL!

/going to bed now, for my whopping 2 hrs. sleep, yay
//oof, 1 1/2 hrs now lol

61 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:01:01am

re: #56 opnion

Yup, I think that he has joined his Prophet in hell.Could have been a suicide. you know, 'Die Hard Cub Fan" & he did not want to see 100 years without a World Series Championship."

Is suicide acceptable in Islam if you don't take a bunch of innocents out with you?

62 ciaospirit  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:01:29am

re: #16 opnion

Good Morning Lizards. Is Barry still in a snit?

Nope. He's back to thinking he's invincible, with lots of help from the MSM.

Obama warns Republicans about critical ads

"The same kinds of tactics that the Republican Party has been employing over the last several election cycles just aren't going to work this time," he told reporters on his charter plane after receiving former rival John Edwards' endorsement Wednesday. "I mean, they did everything they could, right? They ran Wright. They ran Obama. In Louisiana, they ran Pelosi. The same way that in previous election cycles they had run Hillary or other folks they thought would scare off voters. It didn't work."

63 opnion  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:01:32am

re: #55 MandyManners

How can his jihadis fabricate it? And, if it is fabricated, why haven't our experts told us that? What good does it do for the truth to not be told?


Good point/. Apparently though , he says nothing topical.
This could just be the Best of

64 opnion  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:02:52am

re: #61 MandyManners

Is suicide acceptable in Islam if you don't take a bunch of innocents out with you?

Just Cub fans

65 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:04:30am

re: #63 opnion

Good point/. Apparently though , he says nothing topical.
This could just be the Best of

The Best of Osama!

66 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:04:49am

re: #64 opnion

Just Cub fans

Don't let mama winger here you say that.

67 AmeriDan  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:06:57am

re: #65 MandyManners

The Best of Osama!

But you can only get it on cassette tape, and you have to wade through all the Allah crap before you get to the tunes.

68 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:08:06am

bbiab

69 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:09:37am

Like today's quote.

70 Clio  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:10:15am

re: #17 rightwinger3

Not only that but he's a rich palindrome. And an ass.

It is also very close to "tsoros" -- the Yiddish word for troubles and misery.

71 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:12:42am

Let's look at the bright side. We get four years sans Bill Clinton.

72 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:13:46am

re: #62 ciaospirit

The same kinds of tactics that the Republican Party has been employing over the last several election cycles just aren't going to work....

Ok, then quit your cryin and moaning Sen. Askbite we'll just use those as fillers and come-out with the 'new and approved.'

Jayzus, Ahamdi 'The Still Living Terrorist' Nejad wouldn't even have to look cross-eyed at Jr. Sen. Whiny and he'd break-down in a sobbing-fit.

73 arizona9  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:15:48am

Did anyone else catch the first 15 extraordinary minutes of Morning Joe on MSNBC? I know, it's MSNBC, but still-you had to see it-completely unmasked of objectivity and balance to such a degree that even I was shocked. Mika B., the straight(cough)newsreader giddily described Biden's profanity laced rant against Bush as 'fantastic'. Schuster, supposedly(cough)the straight reporter ranted-no other word to describe it-that Bush's statement was 'grotesque' and 'idiotic.'

74 joncelli  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:17:42am

re: #12 MandyManners

And that's not the worst of it!

75 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:18:43am

re: #73 arizona9

We're going thru one of those "you can fool all the people some of the time" phases. Hang on,everybody. The water will be a bit rough for a while.

*My concern is the Chinese don't do something while the demo's have the helm*

76 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:22:48am

re: #12 MandyManners

Soros is a palindrome.

Soros is a rapid lemon.

(rapid lemon is an anagram for palindrome)

Good morning everybody.

I have heard all the folks talkin' smack about what my POTUS said yesterday. I'm still agreein' with what he said. So...nyah!

77 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:24:31am

re: #70 Clio

It is also very close to "tsoros" -- the Yiddish word for troubles and misery.

How appropriate!

78 opnion  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:24:48am

re: #66 MandyManners

Don't let mama winger here you say that.


I know. I am surrounde my Cub fans. Friends, in laws etc.
It is always 'Wait till next year." The White Sox win a World Series & get treated like the visiting team by Chicago media.

79 joncelli  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:25:26am

re: #50 ciaospirit

Pickler is a notorious lefty story-teller. That she's in the tank for the Big O is no surprise.

80 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:25:41am

re: #74 joncelli

And that's not the worst of it!

How tall is he?

81 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:26:35am

re: #76 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Soros is a rapid lemon.

(rapid lemon is an anagram for palindrome)

Good morning everybody.

I have heard all the folks talkin' smack about what my POTUS said yesterday. I'm still agreein' with what he said. So...nyah!

Methinks they protest too much.

82 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:27:33am

re: #78 opnion

I know. I am surrounde my Cub fans. Friends, in laws etc.
It is always 'Wait till next year." The White Sox win a World Series & get treated like the visiting team by Chicago media.

Never got into baseball but, in my family the one way to get a butt-whipping is to cheer for anyone other than UTK.

83 joncelli  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:29:03am

Somebody put the thread on pause...

84 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:30:42am

re: #83 joncelli

Somebody put the thread on pause...

It already is.

85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:30:44am

re: #83 joncelli

Somebody put the thread on pause...

I am frozen in space and time. Zuuuuuuul!

86 opnion  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:31:32am

re: #82 MandyManners

Never got into baseball but, in my family the one way to get a butt-whipping is to cheer for anyone other than UTK.


UTK?

87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:32:08am

re: #86 opnion

UTK?

UTK?

88 laZardo  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:33:30am

re: #3 goddessoftheclassroom

Hi Goddess!

Good news, the MRI on my friend came back negative. Interestingly, the blood tests have raised possible signs of "Sjogren's Syndrome" or whatever the report was. She doesn't seem to have too much dryness though...

89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:34:08am

Okeedokee....have to go to work.

I have to bid adieu, adieu
to You and You and You...

Heck, there's only three others there right now. Really unusual.

Every notice there are three "u"s in unusual. That seems.........rare.

90 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:34:23am

re: #86 opnion

UTK?

91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:35:28am

re: #90 MandyManners

University of Tennessee at Knoxville?

92 AmeriDan  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:35:58am

re: #82 Mandy Manners

UK?!

University of Tennessee Knoxville?

Gag me with a spoon!

Go University of Memphis Tigers!

/yeah, I know... y'all are the only team that defeated the Tigers in our last regular season basketball schedule.

/See ya next year.

93 AmeriDan  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:38:44am

re: #92 AmeriDan

UK?!

University of Tennessee Knoxville?

Gag me with a spoon!

Go University of Memphis Tigers!

/yeah, I know... y'all are the only team that defeated the Tigers in our last regular season basketball schedule.

/See ya next year.

There should be a T in that UK.

94 the_moll  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:38:48am

Ah, sweet Friday!

95 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:42:22am

re: #91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

University of Tennessee at Knoxville?

None other.

96 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:44:04am

re: #92 AmeriDan

UK?!

University of Tennessee Knoxville?

Gag me with a spoon!

Go University of Memphis Tigers!

/yeah, I know... y'all are the only team that defeated the Tigers in our last regular season basketball schedule.

/See ya next year.

Neener. Neener.

Seriously, that's my home state, and my sister went to UTK. Rather, my dad's money went to UTK while my sister partied with her sorority. When I was growing up, I knew that I could get just about anything from my dad if UTK won. If they lost, I knew to keep my head down.

97 madisonsfriend  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:48:11am

Fatwa goin' be coming. A spokeman for the Asia-Pacific Institute on the radio this morning said that one of the problems with the Bin laden tapes is that no Moslem/Arab will come out and speak against what he says. I think the spokesman probably wasn't Arab/muslim.

Would one of them come out and say Islamic terrorists in Thailand have nothing to do with Israel? NOOOOO

98 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:49:19am

re: #97 madisonsfriend

Fatwa goin' be coming. A spokeman for the Asia-Pacific Institute on the radio this morning said that one of the problems with the Bin laden tapes is that no Moslem/Arab will come out and speak against what he says. I think the spokesman probably wasn't Arab/muslim.

Would one of them come out and say Islamic terrorists in Thailand have nothing to do with Israel? NOOOOO

JEWS OUT OF THAILAND!

99 arizona9  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:49:33am

Newsbusters has a blurb about the subject of my previous post. I hope he gets the video up sometime today...

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

100 laZardo  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:51:18am

re: #98 MandyManners

No way there are Jews in the Philippines apart from the Israeli Embassy. They just wouldn't find our fiesta lechon kosher. ;)

101 arizona9  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:52:01am

Oops, too quick with the posting...the title of the entry is...

Morning Joe's All Bush-Bashing Lineup

102 AmeriDan  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:52:31am

re: #96 MandyManners

"Neener. Neener"

Enjoy, but know that We'll. Be. Back..

Ah, college sports, another strong thread in the fabric of our great nation.

/did I just use a sewing reference?

103 laZardo  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:53:47am

re: #99 arizona9

They had Bush's speech and the Dems' reactions on CNN earlier.

I'm still roffling from the part where Biden shouted "That's Bull[bleep!]".

104 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:54:45am

re: #99 arizona9

Newsbusters has a blurb about the subject of my previous post. I hope he gets the video up sometime today...

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

That guest line-up was so far to the left that I wonder how it did anything but spin around in circles.

105 madisonsfriend  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:55:08am

re: #100 laZardo

No way there are Jews in the Philippines apart from the Israeli Embassy. They just wouldn't find our fiesta lechon kosher. ;)

There are approximately 60,000 Filipino workers, in Israel(i just picked this off some Yahoo search) but I did see Filipinos when I was in Israel. A lot of them are caregivers to the elderly.

106 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:56:50am

re: #102 AmeriDan

"Neener. Neener"

Enjoy, but know that We'll. Be. Back..

Ah, college sports, another strong thread in the fabric of our great nation.

/did I just use a sewing reference?

It's not a game. It's a RELIGION.

Here's a clip from Oklahoma.

107 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:56:55am

Just curious, here in NJ, FOX is off the air on Time Warner. Anywhere else? Massive conspiracy or local problem?

108 laZardo  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:58:05am

re: #105 madisonsfriend

They actually had a little documentary movie about it here, actually. Some of them are...uh...of questionable sexual orientation.

But still, you don't get those kind of people elsewhere in the region. ;) If you know what I mean.

109 fuseman  Fri, May 16, 2008 4:58:51am

any lizards play civ iv?

110 Iron Fist  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:04:01am

re: #103 laZardo,

It cuts a little too close to the bone for the Democrats. They generally have a problem with the truth when it is told. Moreso when they are getting called on their anti-American positions.

111 arizona9  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:04:08am
That guest line-up was so far to the left that I wonder how it did anything but spin around in circles.

Add to that Mika's giggly praise of Biden's remarks and later actually gleefully clapping her hands together in anticipation of his appearance and Schuster repeatedly calling Bush's statement 'grotesque' and, well, I feel like vomiting....

112 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:07:24am

re: #107 Nevergiveup

Just curious, here in NJ, FOX is off the air on Time Warner. Anywhere else? Massive conspiracy or local problem?

Oh, it's everywhere. Don't worry. You'll be fine.

*snicker*

113 laZardo  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:07:29am

re: #110 Iron Fist

Exactly. When they said that the remarks "implied" Obama, the first two words out of my mouth were "No shit!"

114 galloping granny  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:08:01am

Oh my I did sleep in this morning, didn't I? How's everyone?

115 Right Brain  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:08:18am

I am still laughing about Pres. Bush's speech yesterday about the Senator in 1939 who thought he could have "talked to Hitler" and stopped the war. Bush never mentioned Obama, but he swallowed the bait hook line and sinker, and then he and his troops spent all day trying to spit it back up.

All the conservative writers had to do was sit back and ask why he thought the shoe fit.

116 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:08:32am

re: #111 arizona9

Add to that Mika's giggly praise of Biden's remarks and later actually gleefully clapping her hands together in anticipation of his appearance and Schuster repeatedly calling Bush's statement 'grotesque' and, well, I feel like vomiting....

I'd give you a hug but I don't wanna' get any on me.

117 wahabicorridor  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:09:26am

morning lizards. WTF is up with that Carnegie Mellon thing? Did anyone figure it out.

In the "The European Union Is A Totalitarian Nightmare" dept.

"In December 2003, Jacques Chirac proposed a pact between himself, Blair and the German Chancellor, Gerhard Schröder, under which all three would agree not to hold a referendum on the EU's constitutional treaty when it was finally agreed. Schröder said this would be no problem for him since the German constitution made no provision for referenda. Tony Blair said that he had absolutely no intention of holding a referendum. True, Foreign Secretary Jack Straw had been arguing for one for months but, each time he raised the issue, Blair resisted the idea."

A Stranger in Europe

(4 page pdf file)

118 rightside  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:09:29am

Pushes the play button.

119 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:10:03am

re: #114 galloping granny

Wakey-wakey!

120 galloping granny  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:10:30am

re: #107 Nevergiveup

Just curious, here in NJ, FOX is off the air on Time Warner. Anywhere else? Massive conspiracy or local problem?

Fox is just fine on DirectTV.

121 rightside  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:16:25am

re: #114 galloping granny


Morning gg!

122 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:17:01am

Vunderbar...Iran Presents Package of Proposals Demands

Iran’s package of proposals has been presented to four international personalities, said head of media affairs of the Supreme National Security Council, Ahmad Khademolmelleh, on Wednesday.

Ali Asghar Khaji, Iran’s ambassador to the European Union, presented the new package of proposals on Tuesday to solve the world’s “collective challenges“, including the country’s nuclear case, a statement said.

Khaji gave the package to EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana during talks on Tuesday, the embassy statement said.
The proposals contained “the country’s viewpoint on global challenges regarding political, security, economic and energy issues, and the issue of the peaceful use of nuclear energy{Along with Iran's inalienable right to rule and kill infidels or joooo's completely without oversight or recrimination.}“, he said.

This oughta be a 'done deal' pretty damned quick.

123 galloping granny  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:18:01am

re: #121 rightside

Morning gg!

Morning rightside.

124 doriangrey  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:18:34am

Good morning Lizards.....

125 doriangrey  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:19:38am

re: #121 rightside

Morning gg!

Morning rightside....

126 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:20:17am

Gotta' pry The Kid out of bed and get started on the day.

Later, Lizards!

127 laZardo  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:20:39am
128 rightside  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:21:39am

re: #125 doriangrey

Morning dorian!

129 doriangrey  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:22:14am

re: #122 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Vunderbar...Iran Presents Package of Proposals Demands

This oughta be a 'done deal' pretty damned quick.

Yup, right about the time The US of A starts playing cowboys and Iranians... (The Iranians ought to ask the Native American Indians or the Japanese how that one turns out)..... :O lol...lol...lol...

130 galloping granny  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:22:46am

re: #117 wahabicorridor

morning lizards. WTF is up with that Carnegie Mellon thing? Did anyone figure it out.

Looking at it now with some assistance from my kid the programmer/dbase specialist. What it is is a mathematical comparison of post similarity. Why it is is a different question.

Charles did not go up far enough in the directory. Taey (the ?student user to whom this directory belongs) is a graduate research assistant at Carnegie Mellon. He was also scooping stuff off of DKos. He has published at least one paper on political discourse analysis and is apparently working on another - using LGF.

131 Iron Fist  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:24:43am

re: #113 laZardo,

What's even better is that their hyperventilating about the comment shows they think of themselves as appeasers. They just don't want mean Republicans (or, for that matter, mean Americans) saying bad things about appeasers.

The Donks would have been smarter to simply ignore the comment. If anyone had asked them about it (they wouldn't have), simply answer "Who me? I'm not an appeaser." But that requires a little too much thought.

132 vxbush  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:25:22am

Morning. Typing one handed--cat is on the other arm!

133 JamesTKirk  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:29:58am
134 laZardo  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:32:28am

re: #131 Iron Fist

Sssshhhh! They're not appeasers! That's just Bush's way of describing people who don't believe violence is always the answer! This is the 21st Century!

/

135 slartybartfast  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:32:38am

I had to post this because it really "got my goat."

SYRIA AND THE 1948 WAR IN PALESTINE by Joshua Landis, University of Oklahoma.

I haven't read the whole thing but in the second paragraph, there's an obvious paradox:

First, the Arab people considered the partition plan to be highway robbery; it gave over 50 percent of Palestine to the Jews, although they constituted but a third of the population...We now know that early military assessments by the Arab League and individual states of their ability to defeat Zionist forces in the impending conflict were unanimous in warning of the superiority of the Zionist military, which outnumbered the Arab forces at every stage of the war.


So, a third of the population of Palestine had an army that outnumbered that of all the surrounding countries? Does this guy even read what he's regurgitating?

There's a revealing article on Mr. Landis at Dhimmi Watch.

136 JamesTKirk  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:34:32am

re: #55 MandyManners

How can his jihadis fabricate it? And, if it is fabricated, why haven't our experts told us that? What good does it do for the truth to not be told?

They don't have to fabricate it; it could very easily be a tape bin Laden recorded several years ago unless there's anything specific in the tape to indicate otherwise.

137 Ojoe  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:36:57am

Here is the Wilson Towercam; the light from the east increases over the San Gabriel Mountains.

And here is Saint Patrick's morning prayer:

Saint Patrick’s Breastplate:

I arise today
Through a mighty strength, the invocation of the Trinity,
Through the belief in the threeness,
Through confession of the oneness
Of the Creator of Creation.

I arise today
Through the strength of Christ's birth with his baptism,
Through the strength of his crucifixion with his burial,
Through the strength of his resurrection with his ascension,
Through the strength of his descent for the judgment of Doom.

I arise today
Through the strength of the love of Cherubim,
In obedience of angels,
In the service of archangels,
In hope of resurrection to meet with reward,
In prayers of patriarchs,
In predictions of prophets,
In preaching of apostles,
In faith of confessors,
In innocence of holy virgins,
In deeds of righteous men.

I arise today
Through the strength of heaven:
Light of sun,
Radiance of moon,
Splendor of fire,
Speed of lightning,
Swiftness of wind,
Depth of sea,
Stability of earth,
Firmness of rock.

I arise today
Through God's strength to pilot me:
God's might to uphold me,
God's wisdom to guide me,
God's eye to look before me,
God's ear to hear me,
God's word to speak for me,
God's hand to guard me,
God's way to lie before me,
God's shield to protect me,
God's host to save me
From snares of devils,
From temptations of vices,
From everyone who shall wish me ill,
Afar and anear,
Alone and in multitude.

I summon today all these powers between me and those evils,
Against every cruel merciless power that may oppose my body and soul,
Against incantations of false prophets,
Against black laws of pagandom
Against false laws of heretics,
Against craft of idolatry,
Against spells of witches and smiths and wizards,
Against every knowledge that corrupts man's body and soul.
Christ to shield me today
Against poison, against burning,
Against drowning, against wounding,
So that there may come to me abundance of reward.

Christ with me, Christ before me, Christ behind me,
Christ in me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me,
Christ on my right, Christ on my left,
Christ when I lie down, Christ when I sit down, Christ when I arise,
Christ in the heart of every man who thinks of me,
Christ in the mouth of everyone who speaks of me,
Christ in every eye that sees me,
Christ in every ear that hears me.

I arise today
Through a mighty strength, the invocation of the Trinity,
Through belief in the threeness,
Through confession of the oneness,
Of the Creator of Creation.


138 JamesTKirk  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:37:11am

re: #88 laZardo

Interestingly, the blood tests have raised possible signs of "Sjogren's Syndrome"

I remember the episode when the Swedish Chef cooked some of that.

139 opnion  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:37:22am

re: #136 JamesTKirk

They don't have to fabricate it; it could very easily be a tape bin Laden recorded several years ago unless there's anything specific in the tape to indicate otherwise.

Right, If he was not room temerature, I would think that he would have mentioned something topical.

140 Sizzlack  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:37:39am

So BinLaden has his new message out. Yea right. He says their whole fight is about freeing Israel, and that thats why 9/11 happened. What happened to U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia? His message constantly changes, now hes on the Nabka bandwagon? Classic...

141 laZardo  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:38:15am

re: #135 slartybartfast

He's also got a comment page.

142 JamesTKirk  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:38:23am

re: #89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ever notice there are three "u"s in unusual. That seems.........rare.

You're just being facetious (which, you'll notice, has all five vowels in order, as long as we're talking about oddly shaped words).

143 JamesTKirk  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:38:43am

re: #83 joncelli

Somebody put the thread on pause...

So, umm, gay marriage?

144 JamesTKirk  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:40:34am

re: #109 fuseman

any lizards play civ iv?

Nope. Used to play a lot of the original Civ, though.

145 doriangrey  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:40:42am

re: #142 JamesTKirk

You're just being facetious (which, you'll notice, has all five vowels in order, as long as we're talking about oddly shaped words).

Oh oh oh Mistar Kotter... dont forget Abracadabra.....

146 JamesTKirk  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:42:45am

"Facetiously" if you want to include "y".

Anyone know what is the shortest word to include all five (no "y") vowels?

147 slartybartfast  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:43:18am

re: #141 laZardo

He's also got a comment page.

Yeah, one syncophant left a note; negative comments were probably deleted. I didn't bother to question the conclusions of someone whose intellect is apparently so remarkable.

Or, as Joe Walsh put it, "You can't argue with a sick mind."

148 Hengineer  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:45:08am

Lizard army, HO!

149 Rancher  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:45:23am
This is evidence that Palestine is our land, and the Israelis are invaders and occupiers who should be fought

Osama's Palestinian? As much as any other Arab I suppose.

150 freetoken  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:45:28am

Meanwhile, President Bush is traveling in the KSA, however...

US-Saudi oil axis faces day of truth

When President George Bush went to see Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah in January to plead for higher oil output, he was politely rebuffed.
[here the Telegraph inserts the sword picture...
"President Bush shares a laugh with Saudi Prince Salman, brother of Saudi King Abdullah"]
The rematch today is likely to be a great deal more strained.

If the Saudis deny help once again, they risk incalculable damage to their strategic alliance with Washington. The price of crude has rocketed by over $30 a barrel since that last fruitless meeting, briefly touching the once unthinkable level of $127.
[...]
The Saudis have let their output fall from 9.5m to 8.5m bpd over the last two years, camouflaging the move behind the accession of Ecuador and Angola to the group (which boosted nominal supply). OPEC failed to compensate for a 330,000 bpd drop in Nigerian production in April, allowing the market to tighten further.
[...]

FWIW, Iran has plenty of very low quality oil readily available (supposedly 20million barrels loaded into super-tankers right now, ready to ship) but no buyers.

151 JamesTKirk  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:45:35am

re: #148 Hengineer

Lizard army, HO!

Who you calling a ho?

152 Ojoe  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:46:25am

re: #151 JamesTKirk

Westward Ho !

153 doriangrey  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:48:24am

re: #151 JamesTKirk

Who you calling a ho?

If she aint green she aint the ho for you eh....

154 rightside  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:49:37am

re: #142 JamesTKirk

and queue is made up of 80% vowel.

155 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:49:44am

re: #140 Sizzlack

So BinLaden has his new message out. Yea right. He says their whole fight is about freeing Israel, and that thats why 9/11 happened. What happened to U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia? His message constantly changes, now hes on the Nabka bandwagon? Classic...

Well the wheels keep coming off his other wagons.

156 JamesTKirk  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:50:51am

re: #154 rightside

and queue is made up of 80% vowel.

And if you drop all four vowels, it's still pronounced the same.

/p.s. "sequoia"

157 doriangrey  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:52:04am

re: #155 Nevergiveup

Well the wheels keep coming off his other wagons.

Reminds one of the wild flailing about of a drowning man....

158 doriangrey  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:53:11am

Damn this is a slow ass Friday morning... Well later Lizards this lizard must head off to work...

159 Ojoe  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:53:22am

re: #156 JamesTKirk

"Seismic" violates that "I before E" rule....

160 rightside  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:54:09am

re: #156 JamesTKirk

and ghoti is pronounced "fish"

161 JamesTKirk  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:54:30am

re: #159 Ojoe

"Seismic" violates that "I before E" rule....

The "i before e" rule is filled with more holes than the Prime Directive.

And coming from me, that's saying something.

162 rightside  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:54:34am

re: #158 doriangrey

see ya!

163 Hengineer  Fri, May 16, 2008 5:58:09am

pow pow power wheels!

164 rightside  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:02:31am

re: #161 JamesTKirk

Do you still have your commendation for "original thinking"?

165 madisonsfriend  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:02:33am

re: #149 Rancher

Osama's Palestinian? As much as any other Arab I suppose.


he means that the Saudis want Israel. The rich Arabs use the palis to elict sympathy(who knows why it works) and will continue to keep them uneducated and on welfare. Why don't the Arabs start programs/training for the Palis- why don't they give them money? I remember my grandparents - very poor immigrants with many kids- who gave tzedakah(charity) to support Israel and the Jews building the country. As a child, we collected 3 days a week in Hebrew school for the same thing.

166 UFO TOFU  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:03:30am

"Lord, if I could only have talked to Mahmoud" will be words of little comfort to future victims of nuclear terrorism.
Hitting A Nerve

167 The Albatross  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:04:09am

Mark Knopfler - Wag The Dog

Happy Friday Lizards... just a fly "Hi and bye"... got another doctors appointment early. Have a great day!

168 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:05:16am

re: #165 madisonsfriend

he means that the Saudis want Israel. The rich Arabs use the palis to elict sympathy(who knows why it works) and will continue to keep them uneducated and on welfare. Why don't the Arabs start programs/training for the Palis- why don't they give them money? I remember my grandparents - very poor immigrants with many kids- who gave tzedakah(charity) to support Israel and the Jews building the country. As a child, we collected 3 days a week in Hebrew school for the same thing.

The little blue and white coin collectors. Sometimes I think our kids could learn alot from them. It is to bad they are not ubiquitous anymore.

169 realwest  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:07:46am

Good Morning Y'all - from a warm (66 degrees going up to 82 degrees) and overcast Charlotte!
We are expecting heavy rain and T-Storms so Time-Warner last night practiced "going down" in a moderate rain storm, just so they could screw us prepare to go down today!

How is everyone doing today?

170 JamesTKirk  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:08:52am

re: #164 rightside

Do you still have your commendation for "original thinking"?

Yep! I love pulling that one out and taunting Spock with it.

171 galloping granny  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:09:05am

re: #165 madisonsfriend

he means that the Saudis want Israel. The rich Arabs use the palis to elict sympathy(who knows why it works) and will continue to keep them uneducated and on welfare. Why don't the Arabs start programs/training for the Palis- why don't they give them money? I remember my grandparents - very poor immigrants with many kids- who gave tzedakah(charity) to support Israel and the Jews building the country. As a child, we collected 3 days a week in Hebrew school for the same thing.

All of the Arab countries have kept the "palestinians" poor, homeless and in "refugee camps" for more than 50 years deliberately. Even in the most "liberal" of them, "palestinians" are not allowed to become citizens, work at many jobs or even hold a passport.

Every other major group of refugees the world has known in this time has within a few years been settled elsewhere in their entirety, but the UNHCR does everything possible to keep this one particular group of refugees as refugees.

But then, to do otherwise leaves them with no argument about Israel's right to exist.

172 Widow'smight  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:09:57am

re: #166 UFO TOFU

Ain't this oily for you Tofu? It's like 6:00 am out there dude.

How's the loverly bride doing?

173 realwest  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:10:52am

Did anyone ever figure out what that LGF Experiment at Carnegie Mellon (prior thread) was all about? I know they attributed some comments to me that I didn't make and other comments I did make to other people but then 2:30 this morning rolled around and I hadda go to sleep!

174 rightside  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:11:39am

re: #170 JamesTKirk

I've always wanted to see what it looked like. Got an image of it?

Didn't you win three of them, like john f'ing kerry? LOL

175 rightside  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:12:58am
176 FrogMarch  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:13:08am
177 JamesTKirk  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:13:34am

re: #173 realwest

Did anyone ever figure out what that LGF Experiment at Carnegie Mellon (prior thread) was all about? I know they attributed some comments to me that I didn't make and other comments I did make to other people but then 2:30 this morning rolled around and I hadda go to sleep!

Nope. I just did a quick search for "Kirk" on that document and got no hits. I feel unloved.

178 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:14:36am

Paging Cindy Sheehan and Spicoli: Hugo Needs a Hug

179 JamesTKirk  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:14:44am

re: #174 rightside

Didn't you win three of them, like john f'ing kerry? LOL

Nope, only one.

I through it away while protesting the actions of the Federation President, and yet I still have it.

And no, you can't see my Starfleet records, you swiftshuttle operator!

180 realwest  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:14:46am

re: #166 UFO TOFU Morning UFO! Thanks for that post/link. Wonder why no one in the MSM asked the same question?
Hmmmm?

181 Rancher  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:14:48am

re: #135 slartybartfast

So, a third of the population of Palestine had an army that outnumbered that of all the surrounding countries? Does this guy even read what he's regurgitating?

I have not heard that. Maybe if you consider that almost every Jew over ten, both women and men, were soldiers and that most of the Arabs in Palestine were not. A mob with guns does not constitute an army. Also many Jews served in WWII, few Arabs did. Some of the neighboring Arab armies were little better, and the Arab Liberation Army was just a bunch of paid goons from various Arab capitals. Given all that the Arabs were outmatched but still not outnumbered. I think Landis, who I do read occasionally because he knows the area and the major players, is rellying on historian Benny Morris who is considered a bit of a Arab sympathizer. Morris wrote "all observers—Jewish, British, Palestinian Arab, and external Arab—agreed on the eve of the war that the Palestinians were incapable of beating the Zionists or of withstanding Zionist assault. The Palestinians were simply too weak." Which turned out to be true.

182 Widow'smight  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:15:34am

re: #173 realwest

Maybe they want to experiment on you! See how much BS you'll put up with before you use give them the Stooges eye gouge.

You shouldn't be complaining about the rain as dry as it was last year down there. It's really perty up here right now. Just pulled some radishes and cut some asparagus last night. The Tater plants are looking real good too.

You hungry yet?

183 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:15:54am

Good morning lizards.

What's with the Google logo this morning?

184 galloping granny  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:15:59am

re: #173 realwest

Did anyone ever figure out what that LGF Experiment at Carnegie Mellon (prior thread) was all about? I know they attributed some comments to me that I didn't make and other comments I did make to other people but then 2:30 this morning rolled around and I hadda go to sleep!

Daughter and I just looked at it and I posted a bit above realwest. There is a list of the posts that he used if we need to scarf it up and fact check it. All of the posts that he used seemed very short to me. I think maybe he was taking only parts of posts.

185 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:16:24am

re: #177 JamesTKirk

Nope. I just did a quick search for "Kirk" on that document and got no hits. I feel unloved.

{JamesTKirk}

186 rightside  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:17:22am

re: #179 JamesTKirk

I just want to see a picture of the F***ing medal! LOL

Or is it one of those little triangles on your bib, when your ass was getting court martialed!?

187 JamesTKirk  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:17:42am

re: #183 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards.

What's with the Google logo this morning?

Anniversary of the invention of the first laser.

188 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:17:49am

re: #182 Widow'smight

Maybe they want to experiment on you! See how much BS you'll put up with before you use give them the Stooges eye gouge.

You shouldn't be complaining about the rain as dry as it was last year down there. It's really perty up here right now. Just pulled some radishes and cut some asparagus last night. The Tater plants are looking real good too.

You hungry yet?

If you also happened to butcher a nice beef, YES.

189 realwest  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:17:50am

re: #175 rightside Huh. Thanks a lot rightside! I'd never have seen galloping granny's post if not for you!
[Link: www.imeem.com...]

190 JamesTKirk  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:18:31am

re: #186 rightside

I just want to see a picture of the F***ing medal! LOL

Or is it one of those little triangles on your bib, when your ass was getting court martialed!?

A commendation is not a medal.

191 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:19:27am

re: #185 OldLineTexan

{JamesTKirk}

That was a brief, one-shouldered man-hug, BTW.

I've added you to my "Enemies" list so you can feel wanted.

It's only slightly less well-known than my "Groceries" list, however.

192 galloping granny  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:19:38am

OT - Daughter just found Obama's official voting record for the last year and is massaging the data. I'll be posting it soon. Contains a few shockers I hear as she is hopping mad.

193 faraway  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:20:04am

Obama's Secret Code ™

It's just dawned on me that Obama is not an empty vessel at all.

He is a master manipulator. He speaks in secret code to each group.

Blacks
Cinque Henderson at TNR cracked the black code
When Obama's candicacy was in jeopardy in SC, he gave speeches across the state that warned against being "hoodwinked" and "bamboozled" by the Clintons. His use of the phrase is resonant. It comes from a scene in Malcolm X, where Denzel Washington warns black people about the hidden evils of "the White Man" masquerading as a smiling politician: "Every election year, these politicians are sent up here to pacify us," he says. "You've been hoodwinked. Bamboozled."


Muslims
In an interview with the New York Times in 2007, Barak Hussein Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth."
He recited, "with a first-rate [Arabic] accent," the opening lines of this prayer: "Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! I witness that there is no god but Allah. I witness that there is no god but Allah. I witness that Muhammad is his prophet... "
According to Islamic scholars, reciting the Shahada (the first 5 lines of the Adhan), the Muslim declaration of faith, makes one a Muslim.

Christians
Obama says he is a Christian, that he has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, that he reads the Bible regularly and prays constantly.
(Of course, he has not been Baptised and his KY pamphlets state that he walked the aisle on his first visit to a Christian church)

Atheists
When asked "Are you an evangelical?" , he states "Gosh, I'm not sure if labels are helpful here because the definition of an evangelical is so loose and subject to so many different interpretations. I came to Christianity through the black church tradition where the line between evangelical and non-evangelical is completely blurred. Nobody knows exactly what it means.

White Liberals
Hope. Change. Post-racial.

194 laZardo  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:20:19am

re: #187 JamesTKirk

You forgot the quote bunnies on "la-ser."

195 realwest  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:20:59am

re: #182 Widow'smight
Hey last year was an abberation! And besides, whether or not we get rain shouldn't impact on TimeWarner's delivery of internet connections AT ALL! lol.
And that you but I've already eaten breakfast and whiile I like radishes a lot, I hate asparagi even more!

196 godfrey  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:21:53am

re: #169 realwest

Hey realwest, doing great here. Is May half-over already? I'm with the early threaders who asked for another week. I've been away on business, and man, it's nice to be back.

197 rightside  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:21:55am

re: #184 galloping granny


All or part of my posts are copyright ©2008 rightside. None of my posts can be retransmitted, or displayed elsewhere without the expressed written consent of rightside, the NFL, and J.C. Penney's.

198 JamesTKirk  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:22:27am

re: #191 OldLineTexan

That was a brief, one-shouldered man-hug, BTW.

I've added you to my "Enemies" list so you can feel wanted.

It's only slightly less well-known than my "Groceries" list, however.

I can feel wanted anytime I go to the post office and see my picture on the wall, actually...

199 faraway  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:23:27am

re: #192 galloping granny

His vote present record is summarized at votepresent.com

200 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:23:32am

re: #198 JamesTKirk

I can feel wanted anytime I go to the post office and see my picture on the wall, actually...

Top Ten Most Wanted, or Do Not Accept Checks From These People?

201 JamesTKirk  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:24:27am

re: #193 faraway

Obama says he is a Christian, that he has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, that he reads the Bible regularly and prays constantly. (Of course, he has not been Baptised and his KY pamphlets state that he walked the aisle on his first visit to a Christian church)

Ew. No wonder he's so slick.

202 loppyd  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:25:22am

re: #184 galloping granny

Daughter and I just looked at it and I posted a bit above realwest. There is a list of the posts that he used if we need to scarf it up and fact check it. All of the posts that he used seemed very short to me. I think maybe he was taking only parts of posts.

Good Morning Lizard Nation!

The links are no good anymore.

203 realwest  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:25:38am

re: #184 galloping granny Good morning to you! Guess I was wrong in my #189! and your daughter shouldn't have to work too hard (as per your post at #192)
as I understand Barry was only in the Senate for about three hours, total, last year! LOL!

204 realwest  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:26:03am

BBIAM y'all!

205 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:26:32am

re: #203 realwest

Good morning to you! Guess I was wrong in my #189! and your daughter shouldn't have to work too hard (as per your post at #192)
as I understand Barry was only in the Senate for about three hours, total, last year! LOL!

Enough time for two hearty waffle breakasts.

206 DocMartyn  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:27:42am

Guess what, there was no Holocaust, at least according to the Arab News.

"Western countries have been using force to stifle any attempt to highlight the errors in the Zionist claims about the number of Holocaust victims. For instance, Douglas Reed, a leading British journalist of the World War II, raised in his book “Far & Wide” published in the United States in 1947, some doubts about the claim that six million Jews were killed in the Holocaust. In the course of his journalistic studies Reed found that in 1938 the Jewish population in the world stood at 11 million. On the other hand, the UN population studies showed that the number of Jews in 1947, after the WW II and the Holocaust, was 11 million. The study also said that increase in the Jewish population over the intervening decade could not have been more than 400,000 even if the annual population growth rate was about 4 percent.

Then the total number of the deaths would be roughly 400,000 or a little over in the decade in which the Holocaust and massacres of Jews took place.
"
[Link: arabnews.com...]

207 rightside  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:28:06am

re: #202 loppyd

Morning loppy

208 Widow'smight  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:28:24am

re: #188 OldLineTexan

Well, I live in SE PA, and their are plenty of small butcher shops, or we could get some steaks at the Green Dragon Farmers Market.

[Link: www.padutchcountry.com...]

Reminds me of an old Joke.

A Texas Rancher and an old PA dutch farmer were talking one day. The Texas Rancher declares "Yup, I can hop in my Pickup Truck and drive all day and never reach the end of my ranch". The Dutchie farmer says "I vunst hat a truck like zat too".

209 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:28:40am
210 McJenny50  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:29:49am

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this but all of the links from the previous thread give a "page not available" message. I was just checking in this morning to see what I missed from last night and the Carnegie Mellon thing sounded like something to look into but I guess I am too late.

211 Rancher  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:30:01am

re: #165 madisonsfriend

Why don't the Arabs start programs/training for the Palis- why don't they give them money? I remember my grandparents - very poor immigrants with many kids- who gave tzedakah(charity) to support Israel and the Jews building the country. As a child, we collected 3 days a week in Hebrew school for the same thing.

Jews have always supported each other, it was absolutely required to survive. In Arab culture it’s “I against my brother; I and my brother against my cousin; I and my brother and my cousin against the world”.

So long as the Arabs fight tribe against tribe, so long will they be a little people, a silly people - greedy, barbarous, and cruel, as you are.

T.E.Lawrence

212 Widow'smight  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:30:34am

re: #195 realwest


Asparagus coated in Olive Oil and grilled? Wow.

213 Cap'n DOC  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:30:35am

re: #204 realwest

Good Morning, Real! We're stuck between Mud and Dust right now. Kinda looks like what ordinary folks call Spring...

214 galloping granny  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:30:55am

Okay, here is Obama's Voting Record -

[Link: votesmart.org...]

He has a recorded Novote (as in not Nay,he either was not present at all or voted "present") more than 100 times!

215 lawhawk  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:31:29am

Greets and saluts this soggy Friday AM in NYC metro area. NYS has passed a noose display crime law, making it a felony to display a noose on property without permission of property owner. That was in response to last year's spate of incidents, including one at Columbia University under suspicious circumstances.

While I'm on the subject of NYS laws and policy, NYS is also looking to kill 'net centric companies who conduct Internet sales here - even if they don't have sufficient links to the state. They're looking to grab sales tax revenues from Internet sales, and thus far Amazon.com is suing the state, but Overstock has dropped 3,400 affiliates in NYS rather than sue. How many of those businesses- large and small, will see revenues shrink, cause job losses, and cause corporate, personal, sales tax revenues to drop beyond the paltry $50 million the state hoped to gain. Indeed, the state will never ever ever consider spending cuts to control costs. Even when the state proposes spending cuts, it's still increases when you note that the budget increases every year - often greater than the rate of inflation.

216 galloping granny  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:32:06am

re: #197 rightside

All or part of my posts are copyright ©2008 rightside. None of my posts can be retransmitted, or displayed elsewhere without the expressed written consent of rightside, the NFL, and J.C. Penney's.

That applies to everyone rightside. I suspect that people should likely complain to Carnegie Mellon, but I also suspect that since this is being done for "academic" purposes that your copyright does not count.

217 rightside  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:32:46am

re: #215 lawhawk

Thankfully I escaped that gulag.

218 galloping granny  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:33:28am

re: #212 Widow'smight

Asparagus coated in Olive Oil and grilled? Wow.

Dynamite. Sprinkle it with a teeny bit of sea salt first. You can also bake it at 350 or so for 15-20 minutes, which I do like just a teeny bit better because it seems to have a nuttier flavor.

219 Killian Bundy  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:33:53am

American public opinion on Islamist issues

What do Americans think about demands for Sharia courts, or Muslim taxi drivers who refuse to carry dogs or passengers carrying alcohol? These and other questions relating to Islamist demands were the subject of a poll sponsored by Act for America and conducted by Moore Information. With permission, we publish the summary of those results from their website:

/not quite ready for dhimmitude yet

220 lawhawk  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:34:24am

re: #173 realwest

I posted this on the other thread, and it's probably relevant too.

Carnegie Mellon did run a project to determine which blogs are the most informative and chose the top 100 blogs based on the efficiency of determining news. This could be another project along those lines - to see how information gets distributed along networked groups.

In that project, mine scored number 11 overall. Beating me out? Instapundit, Malkin, Surber, and a couple other big name blogs (LGF was not included surprisingly enough).

Which reminds me - if you're not reading my blog on a daily basis, you should be... :)

221 rightside  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:34:30am

re: #216 galloping granny

guess I needed /sarc

222 realwest  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:34:51am

re: #196 godfrey Hey godfrey! Where did you go away to on business? Anyplace really exotic or attractive?!

223 Rancher  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:35:46am

re: #216 galloping granny

I'm dying to see where I come out in the experiment. I'm afraid I'll find myself irrelevant.

224 abolitionist  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:35:58am

I went up-directory a little, manually, to [Link: www.cs.cmu.edu...]
and found this:

Talking_Points

Blog Posts
TP categories ... 1st take.
TP categories ... 2nd take.

Political blog post - parmlink collection
Political blog post - flat text collection for the 1st round
Political blog post - flat text collection for the 1st round - unzipped

Political blog post - flat text collection for the 2nd round
Political blog post - flat text collection for the 2nd round - unzipped

Political blog post - flat text collection for the 2nd round - CAT comp xml

For developers (blog corpus sample)


These items are/were links, but now seem to be dead.

225 loppyd  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:36:01am

re: #207 rightside

Morning loppy

Morning rightside!

226 abolitionist  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:36:35am

Oops, that belonged on prev thread.

227 Widow'smight  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:36:44am

re: #218 galloping granny

The bride and girls say I'm nutty enough. They really get embarrased when were out in public and someone has "Funky" music on and get my mojo on.

Course, since I got the cash and I'm the driver, they'll keep me.

228 Cap'n DOC  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:37:07am

re: #220 lawhawk

Pimp! ;o)

229 vxbush  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:37:30am

re: #227 Widow'smight

The bride and girls say I'm nutty enough. They really get embarrased when were out in public and someone has "Funky" music on and get my mojo on.

Course, since I got the cash and I'm the driver, they'll keep me.

Don't let it stop you. I don't care what my daughter thinks when I start dancing to commercials and muzak. She can live with it!

230 laZardo  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:38:05am

re: #219 Killian Bundy

Wow. America sure is Islamophobic.

/

231 Widow'smight  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:39:32am

re: #229 vxbush

Nothing can stop Disco Dad! Just another way of keeping the young knuckleheads away from my girls (although it hasn't worked with the 23 year old).

232 joncelli  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:40:05am

re: #183 NJDhockeyfan

Put your mouse on it: It comes up "Invention of the first laser."

233 vxbush  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:40:13am

re: #231 Widow'smight

Nothing can stop Disco Dad! Just another way of keeping the young knuckleheads away from my girls (although it hasn't worked with the 23 year old).

I figure, if they can put up with my weirdness, then they might be okay for the daughter. Makes sense to me!

234 JamesTKirk  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:40:32am

re: #232 joncelli

Put your mouse on it: It comes up "Invention of the first laser."

The first phaser was a bigger breakthrough.

235 vxbush  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:41:06am

re: #232 joncelli

Put your mouse on it: It comes up "Invention of the first laser."

You know, usually the artwork for such special events is cute or interesting, but it still makes the Google name legible. Today's artwork was completely impossible to read.

236 Cap'n DOC  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:43:36am

re: #183 NJDhockeyfan

Since I'm a Dogpile fan, I don't know and don't care to know.

Can you paraphrase?

237 realwest  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:43:58am

re: #220 lawhawk"Beating me out? Instapundit, Malkin, Surber, and a couple other big name blogs (LGF was not included surprisingly enough)."
Well, no disrespect intended my friend, but if LGF wasn't in the top 10 then that study was flawed or looking for something LGF doesn't provide and I've frankly thought Michelle Malkin's blog has been overrated for a while now (or maybe I just didn't like her substituting for O'Reilly!).
They must have done that study before Charles added the Spinoff link feature or not included it as part of LGF (which makes no sense at all).

238 soccerdad  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:44:10am
239 Widow'smight  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:44:39am

re: #233 vxbush

There will probably be a bunch of wise young men lining up as suitors for your daughter in that case. That is, if they can get over the hot mom thing.

240 vxbush  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:45:27am

re: #239 Widow'smight

There will probably be a bunch of wise young men lining up as suitors for your daughter in that case. That is, if they can get over the hot mom thing.

"hot mom thing"? Good Lord, man. I don't care what they think of my music choices or dances, but any kid who thinks I'm hot will NOT be dating my daughter or be anywhere NEAR me!

241 Cap'n DOC  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:45:34am

re: #238 soccerdad

You expected something different?

242 Widow'smight  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:47:08am

re: #234 JamesTKirk

Do they still make those Phasers in the Direct Tv Remote style?

Just in case the girls bring home another Loser (funny how they keep doing that, in my eyes).

243 alegrias  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:48:09am

Why can't Israel brag they won a brief war against all the Caliphate armies fair & square 60 years ago, shortly after Israel's birth? Israel was attacked by the Ummah and Israel repulsed their worthless armies.

Sore Loser Caliphaters.

244 Widow'smight  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:48:34am

re: #240 vxbush


Since the Compliment didn't work, can I send you Chocolate?

245 Rancher  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:49:57am

re: #230 laZardo

Wow. America sure is Islamophobic.

/

Nine out of ten respondents (89%) disagreed that separate Sharia law courts should be permitted in legal systems in the West.

Wow, 10% of America sure are idiots!

246 vxbush  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:50:09am

re: #244 Widow'smight

Since the Compliment didn't work, can I send you Chocolate?

Would you believe me if I said no? I'm not feeling so hot today. Well, that's how you know I'm not feeling right: chocolate should always be acceptable.

But the compliment was sweet, if ill placed. :D

247 lawhawk  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:52:21am

re: #237 realwest

Hey, it's only statistics.... and that and $2 can get you on the subway in NYC.

248 ASU86PE  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:52:28am

re: #78 opnion
Went to the 13-1 Pirate loss and am sold out Cubs Fan this year. GO Lou - Hall of Fame!

249 The Other Les  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:52:55am

There really was a Norwegian Blue.

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

250 The Other Les  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:54:23am

re: #245 Rancher

Wow, 10% of America sure are idiots!

So the missing 1 % is the Chicago cemetery vote?

251 Widow'smight  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:54:32am

re: #246 vxbush

Sorry you don't feel so good. I hope you get some nice weather and the sunshine warms your day. VXbush should NEVER not want Chocolate!

252 lawhawk  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:54:48am

re: #243 alegrias

Why can't Israel brag they won a brief war against all the Caliphate armies fair & square 60 years ago, shortly after Israel's birth? Israel was attacked by the Ummah and Israel repulsed their worthless armies.

Sore Loser Caliphaters.

And then in an even more brief war - six days in fact - defeated those same armies in 1967 and captured more than double the territory that already made up Israel.

Then in 1973, after getting attacking on the Holiest day of the Jewish calendar - Yom Kippur, and suffering serious setbacks early on, roundly defeated the Syrians and Egyptians again, and was in a position to buzz both Damascus and Cairo with impunity until the USSR stepped in to avoid another completely disastrous defeat for its clients, and the US pressured Israel to stop.

253 ASU86PE  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:55:15am

Where's my manners? Good Morning Angels and Lugs!

254 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:56:17am
255 Rancher  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:57:09am

re: #250 The Other LesI'm assuming 1% Muslim but have no idea what the real percentage is. Lets see who finds that fact first.

256 Widow'smight  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:57:10am

re: #252 lawhawk

Israel's current situation will never be resolved by diplomacy, unless it's the Gunboat variety.

257 The Other Les  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:59:22am

re: #255 Rancher

I'm assuming 1% Muslim but have no idea what the real percentage is. Lets see who finds that fact first.

Okay.

258 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:59:26am

If I were an enterprising reporter, I would want a copy of the IP address logs of the online Obama campaign donation pages. The American election is too important and our political process is (and this is mostly a good thing) very open. Where are all these college students getting hundreds of dollars a month for Obama?

259 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, May 16, 2008 6:59:44am

Good morning, Lizards!
Are we supposed to care about Bin Laden's latest message?

Yesterday I saw a bumper sticker that said "Barack (Who's Sane) Obama".

260 Kenneth  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:01:13am

Good morning folks.

I stumbled across this blog this morning. I don't know who writes it, but he's got one hell of a sense of humour:

Them that Are Sucpetible to Diplomacy

President Obama goes to Tehran and says "You had me at 'screw you!'" The Mullahs coax him to wear his new gift: a diamond studded, red, white and red "Death to America" lapel pin. Does he refuse to wear it because of the empty symbolism involved? Or does he put it on in the furtherance of world peace, the way he would wear any other bit of native costume? He'll offer them the Zero option. We'll give up our 12,000 nukes if they give up their -- how many they got anyways? They will consider this if we give up our missile defense as a sign of good faith. He'll say, too late, already done that. What else can we do to show our good faith? They'll say, give us time to think. We'll make a list. He'll say, can I make suggestions? And he'll think, these guys are easier to talk to than auto executives.

261 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:02:24am

Good morning.

Looks like it's interesting times for Hugo Chavez

262 Kenneth  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:03:01am

re: #258 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Obama's `Gigantic' Database May Make Him Party's Power Broker

Database = money = power

263 laZardo  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:03:11am

re: #259 Who Watches the Watchmen?

The MSM will make you care. *evil, ominous reverb*

And speaking of the war on terror, my campaign in the Political Debate threads on my art site seems to have gotten me into a war of words against this fellow...

264 yochanan  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:04:10am

Look at Gaza today. No Israeli occupation, no settlements, not a single Jew left. The Palestinian response? Unremitting rocket fire killing and maiming Israeli civilians. The declared casus belli of the Palestinian government in Gaza behind these rockets? The very existence of a Jewish state.

Israel's crime is not its policies but its insistence on living. On the day the Arabs -- and the Palestinians in particular -- make a collective decision to accept the Jewish state, there will be peace, as Israel proved with its treaties with Egypt and Jordan. Until that day, there will be nothing but war. And every "peace process," however cynical or well-meaning, will come to nothing.

265 Kenneth  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:04:42am

re: #261 Occasional Reader

Any word on who are the "gringos" from the Democratic Party who met with FARC? That might be of some interest to Americans, if the MSM deems it so.

266 laZardo  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:05:38am

re: #261 Occasional Reader

He's been getting desperate ever since his proposed measure to make him dictator-for-life got the democratic shaft it deserved.

"Do you think we should waste time here on something so ridiculous?" he told reporters in Caracas.

To which the King of Spain replied, "STFU."

267 madisonsfriend  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:05:58am

re: #254 ploome hineni

BAN KI-MOON STRESSES SUPPORT FOR PALESTINIANS

So in Israel's actual birthday, did he do the usual un thing and condemn Israel for basic existence? Initially he said a few good things against the Pali rockets but he is now just the usual un ass kisser to the muslim majority. "secretary general"- can he type or answer phones- would be more useful than anything any un "sec gen" has done in the past.

268 Kenneth  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:06:26am

re: #264 yochanan

The Arab problem with "the Zionist entity" is not about the size of Israel, it is about the existence of Israel. Period.

269 laZardo  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:06:38am

re: #264 yochanan

Or the Arab Powers could make one last forceful push to establish the Islamic Republic of Palestine. Ominously, it seems like nobody will have Israel's back that time around...

270 LeftJustAintRight  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:06:53am

re: #265 Kenneth

Any word on who are the "gringos" from the Democratic Party who met with FARC? That might be of some interest to Americans, if the MSM deems it so.


Hold your breath and wait for that one

271 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:07:09am

re: #265 Kenneth

Any word on who are the "gringos" from the Democratic Party who met with FARC? That might be of some interest to Americans, if the MSM deems it so.

Not that I've seen. Interpol was basically saying "the files appear to be genuine and were not altered"; they weren't adding any of their own investigation of the substantive allegations.

272 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:07:22am
273 freetoken  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:07:35am

re: #261 Occasional Reader

New coastal submarine concepts get ready to break the surface

[...]
Over the last two decades, the conventional submarine market has been dominated by sales of boats in the 1,400-1,800-ton bracket, typified by German shipbuilder HDW's best-selling Type 209, the successor Type 214 and the rival Scorpene jointly produced by French naval shipbuilding, systems and support group DCNS and Spanish shipbuilder Navantia. Highly capable, and now increasingly adopting air-independent propulsion (AIP) technology to extend submerged endurance and reduce the indiscretion ratio, they afford a powerful and cost-effective deterrent capability.

However, 'cost effective' does not mean cheap and it would be quite wrong to suggest that the acquisition of even a small number of diesel-electric submarines does not in itself constitute a significant capital investment. Furthermore, operating any submarine force in a safe and efficient manner demands the highest levels of design assurance, maintenance, operator and maintainer training and operational control.

As a result, some smaller navies with more limited financial and technical resources - while attracted to the attributes of the submarine - have, to date, shied away from their acquisition. Others, particularly in Latin America, are troubled by the projected costings for the replacement of existing diesel-electric submarines now approaching life expiry.

Acknowledging this fact, four of Europe's leading submarine design houses have now all sought to craft compact, highly automated 'entry-level' submarine concepts specifically engineered to reduce capital cost and support overhead and manning requirements. As well as appealing to navies looking to acquire a submarine capability for the first time, the rival contractors are also eyeing nations that may be looking to recapitalise their existing submarine arms.

Heaven save us from European arms merchants.

274 JammieWearingFool  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:07:38am

re: #220 lawhawk

I posted this on the other thread, and it's probably relevant too.

Which reminds me - if you're not reading my blog on a daily basis, you should be... :)

I recallseeing that a while back.

Is that regularly updated or just once annually?

275 somecallmetim  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:08:19am

re: #249 The Other Les

a pining norwegian blue?

276 cygnus  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:08:37am

re: #85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am frozen in space and time. Zuuuuuuul!

Are you the Keymaster?

277 madisonsfriend  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:08:47am

re: #269 laZardo

Or the Arab Powers could make one last forceful push to establish the Islamic Republic of Palestine. Ominously, it seems like nobody will have Israel's back that time around...


I hope we still will(the US) and I think I'll buy another Israel bond in honor of the birthday. I usually wait until the High Holiday appeal but what the heck. Still hoping some lizards will be here on June 1 to celebrate Israel's birthday on the National Mall.

278 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:09:48am

re: #273 freetoken

New coastal submarine concepts get ready to break the surface


Heaven save us from European arms merchants.

It's becoming clear that increased ASW capacity will be critical to the US Navy in coming years.

279 Kenneth  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:10:30am

re: #261 Occasional Reader

From your link:

They suggest Venezuela wanted to loan the rebels $250 million and help them get Russian weapons and possibly even surface-to-air missiles.

Chavez says his only purpose is to ward off a U.S. invasion — not to supply the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC.


"We aren't going to attack anybody. But I always say it: Nobody should make a mistake with us," Chavez told soldiers celebrating the anniversary of his return to power after a brief 2002 coup. "Our fatherland is permanently threatened by imperialism."

But military analysts say it is Colombia that should fear the 100,000 Russian-made assault rifles, 5,000 Dragunov sniper rifles and surface-to-air missiles Venezuela is amassing.

"These are just the sorts of weapons that the FARC would find interesting since these are the standard tools of guerrilla warfare," said John Pike, a military analyst at GlobalSecurity.org.

U.S. military officials say the weapons proliferation far outweighs any threat Chavez faces in the region.

"We are seriously worried about this great quantity of acquisitions," U.S. Lt. Gen. Glenn Spears said recently.

280 cygnus  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:10:58am

re: #98 MandyManners

JEWS OUT OF THAILAND!

RESIST THE JEWISH OCCUPATION OF BANGKOK (the 150,795th most holy site of Islam)!

281 Roger  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:11:43am

re: #278 Occasional Reader

Not after the ObaMessiah is done with it.

282 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:12:04am

re: #273 freetoken

New coastal submarine concepts get ready to break the surface

Heaven save us from European arms merchants.

They'll probably even sell them to the Colombian drug smugglers (who are already using subs)

283 The Other Les  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:12:37am

re: #275 somecallmetim

a pining norwegian blue?

Not for the fjords but yes.

284 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:12:43am

re: #281 Roger

Not after the ObaMessiah is done with it.

That's what I'm afraid of.

(I'd actually sorta kinda trust Hillary to take something like this seriously, in contrast.)

285 laZardo  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:12:45am

re: #277 madisonsfriend

In case of a moonbat protest, be...uh... "gentle." ;)

286 Iron Fist  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:12:57am

re: #245 Rancher,

They are called Liberals.

287 yochanan  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:13:20am

re: #264 yochanan

krauthammer is spot on. as usual

288 Kenneth  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:13:35am

I guess truces with terrorist factions aren't all they're cracked up to be.

Now suppose the next administration extracted a promise from Tehran to be nice if the US withdrew all its forces from Iraq within six months of the deal. How would the US know that the Iranians would keep their end of the deal? ...One of the issues that must necessarily be explored by anyone who seeks to do a deal with Iran is just why Tehran shouldn't lie to you.

289 freetoken  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:14:25am

re: #282 Kosh's Shadow

Yup, just what the world needs, new low cost compact ultra-quiet submarines available to anyone with a few million dollars in their pockets.

290 Dustoff-507  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:14:33am

WOW folks... WE HAVE WARM weather! 0-:

LOL Ahh the feel of 70 degs.

291 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:14:42am

re: #282 Kosh's Shadow

Colombian drug smugglers (who are already using subs)

AFAIK there is no evidence that they have SUCCESFULLY used subs. Rather, a not-finished mini-sub was captured a few years ago when the Colombian army raided a druglord redoubt. As I understand it, the minisub in question was a subject of much mirth among US Navy ASW people; the "Disney sub", as some called it, would probably have been detected quickly.

292 laZardo  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:15:30am

re: #291 Occasional Reader

What about those famous cig boats?

293 cygnus  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:15:38am

re: #159 Ojoe

"Seismic" violates that "I before E" rule....

So does 'weird'. That's why it's so weird.

294 realwest  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:16:06am

re: #278 Occasional Reader Hey, good morning O.R. - I'm not sure I'm awake enough to really understand that post #273, but I do know that - at least historically - Euroweenie Arms merchants have been freely selling all sorts of destructive shit to the true third world countries.
And while I agree that our ASW systems to be fully functional to meet this new threat, I STILL maintain that we can Stand Off coastal areas at such a significant distance that anything other than nuke powered subs just won't get near us if we don't want 'em to.

295 lawhawk  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:16:25am

re: #261 Occasional Reader

He's probably wondering what the FARC is up with his buddies in Ecuador. They were supposed to cover [T]hugo's rear, and instead have exposed him bigtime.

296 Widow'smight  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:16:31am

re: #269 laZardo

I don't think you'll see the Saudis or other Gulf Emirates push for that. Israel's existence allows them to continue being rich Oil Brokers, and still keep the US Forces there to protect them. Destruction of Israel would be bad business, and if Israel was ever up against the Nuclear Wall, I imagine Mecca and Medina would be on their target list.

Syria and Iran have different ambitions.

The real shame here is how US politicians have bought into the Evil Oil Corps/ Green thingy and cut US production of Oil in half over the last 25 years while our demand has risen 30 percent. Massive amounts of money to countries that are working against us.

297 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:16:47am

re: #289 freetoken

Yup, just what the world needs, new low cost compact ultra-quiet submarines available to anyone with a few million dollars in their pockets.

I'll take one so long as I can get good financing and cash back.

/ :-)

298 loppyd  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:17:25am

re: #261 Occasional Reader

Good morning.

Looks like it's interesting times for Hugo Chavez

His reply is Obama-esque:

"Do you think we should waste time here on something so ridiculous?" he told reporters in Caracas.

299 cygnus  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:18:27am

re: #170 JamesTKirk

Yep! I love pulling that one out and taunting Spock with it.

Just don't do it when he's going into pon farr. That's worse than PMS.

300 madisonsfriend  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:18:33am

re: #285 laZardo

In case of a moonbat protest, be...uh... "gentle." ;)

this time, I am going to ask some questions. Like for the ones who say there is a pali genocide or holocaust- i will be prepared with a printed fact sheet from an "acceptable" source(i had pali infant mortality info from the Norwegians ) to show that there are more Palis now than ever(not even counting the Jordanians). I can also print out the list showing the per capita income of world peoples- showing the Palis way above most of Africa, parts of Asia and Central america- so let's dismiss the world's most oppressed poorest people bullshit. and certainly I can show that a much higher % of the population was killed in places like Darfur and Burma. Of course, facts don't usually ahve any place in "discussions" with these people.

and there is always my favorite- the finger.

301 lawhawk  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:18:36am

re: #274 JammieWearingFool

I don't know - it might be a one-off study, or they might come out with a new one for this year.

302 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:19:06am

re: #298 loppyd

re: #261 Occasional Reader

Good morning.

Looks like it's interesting times for Hugo Chavez


His reply is Obama-esque:

"Do you think we should waste time here on something so ridiculous?" he told reporters in Caracas.


Did he call the reporter "sweetie"?

303 rightside  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:19:08am

re: #264 yochanan

I am certainly glad I visited Israel two decades ago, and was not close to any violence at the time. It was an amazing experience.

304 Dustoff-507  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:19:24am

re: #299 cygnus

Just don't do it when he's going into pon farr. That's worse than PMS.


You trekies..... LOL

305 somecallmetim  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:19:50am

re: #283 The Other Les

A top 5 Monty Python skit.

306 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:20:00am

re: #298 loppyd

His reply is Obama-esque:

"Do you think we should waste time here on something so ridiculous?" he told reporters in Caracas.

"Can't I just eat my arepa?"

307 Kenneth  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:20:00am

re: #289 freetoken

Yup, just what the world needs, new low cost compact ultra-quiet submarines available to anyone with a few million dollars in their pockets.

Israel has purchased a few of these boats from the Germans and refitted them with cruise missile launchers.

308 Rancher  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:20:16am

304 million Americans with anywhere from 3 to 9 million Muslims, or .88% to 2.9% Muslim. I'll go with the World Almanac 2001 estamate of 5.8 million Muslims, or 2.2% Now I have to assume a huge amount of American Muslim women don't support Sharia. I have to. That leaves around 1.1% of American Muslims supporting Sharia law, mostly Muslim men.

The other 10% of Americans that support Sharia have to be idiots or are extremely ignorant of the destructive nature of this beast. Think about Sharia and child abuse to name one of the worst aspects.

309 cygnus  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:20:16am

re: #183 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards.

What's with the Google logo this morning?

Invention of the laser, I think.

310 madisonsfriend  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:20:32am

re: #303 rightside

I am certainly glad I visited Israel two decades ago, and was not close to any violence at the time. It was an amazing experience.

I visited Israel last year(6th visit). My most violent confrontation was making my teenager wake up to get on the tour bus(and perhaps a personal incident involving eating too many fresh dates and figs)

311 laZardo  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:20:46am

re: #296 Widow'smight

Well, probably not the KSA or the mini-Emirates. The latter are so flush with Western money that they're practically making accomodations for the wealthy Westerners who want to spend vacation/retirement there.

Egypt looks like the MB are gonna take over soon, but what about Jordan?

312 alegrias  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:21:01am

re: #261 Occasional Reader

Good morning.

Looks like it's interesting times for Hugo Chavez

* * *
Obama's people also welcome Chavez' endorsement, because as we all know, (Chavez said so at the UN when he spoke there), Chavez doesn't support President Bush either.

313 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:21:12am

re: #297 Honorary Yooper

I'll take one so long as I can get good financing and cash back.

/ :-)



This company
sells subs. Way out of my price range, though.
And they are unarmed; I want one with nuclear missiles.

314 madisonsfriend  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:21:18am

re: #309 cygnus

Invention of the laser, I think.


yes- you run your mouse over the strange thing and it says what it is.

315 freetoken  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:21:22am

re: #294 realwest

The Jane's article just mentions generic "Latin American" nations, but the logical buyer of these sort of vessels is Venezuela. Oh, I suppose Uruguay, Argentina, and Chile could also be buyers, but the guy with cash (and fuel supply) is Venezuela.

316 loppyd  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:21:35am

re: #302 Honorary Yooper

LOL

317 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:21:54am

Good Friday morning all! Just spent the last 40 minutes wading through the Carnegie Mellon thread. Unreal.

318 alegrias  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:22:36am

re: #264 yochanan

Look at Gaza today. No Israeli occupation, no settlements, not a single Jew left. The Palestinian response? Unremitting rocket fire killing and maiming Israeli civilians. The declared casus belli of the Palestinian government in Gaza behind these rockets? The very existence of a Jewish state.

Israel's crime is not its policies but its insistence on living. On the day the Arabs -- and the Palestinians in particular -- make a collective decision to accept the Jewish state, there will be peace, as Israel proved with its treaties with Egypt and Jordan. Until that day, there will be nothing but war. And every "peace process," however cynical or well-meaning, will come to nothing.

* * *
Last I checked, losers don't get to dictate terms of their surrender, and Israel beat them fair & square each & every time these folks tried to beat Israel.

319 sparrowlake  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:22:41am

Good morning lizards.
It looks like Osama is looking to incentivize the West to finally offer up Israel as the sacrificial scapegoat in order to achieve peace in our time.

I wonder why it has taken almost 7 years for him to figure out that the sole reason for the clash of civilizations, terrorism and Islamic hatred of the West is the existence of Israel. Could it be that all the fresh mountain air has finally cleared his brain, or is it that he has been spending too much time blogging at KOS?

320 loppyd  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:22:45am

re: #306 Occasional Reader

"Can't I just eat my arepa?"

That looks good!

Maybe garnish it with some arugula?

321 laZardo  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:23:07am

re: #306 Occasional Reader

Upding'd. That one was coming. XD

322 rightside  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:23:29am

re: #310 madisonsfriend

Mine was determining which water slide to go down in the water park in the middle of nowhere.

But I do not want to diminish the constant threat of violence there.

323 Roger  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:23:57am

re: #308 Rancher

304 million Americans with anywhere from 3 to 9 million Muslims, or .88% to 2.9% Muslim. I'll go with the World Almanac 2001 estamate of 5.8 million Muslims, or 2.2% Now I have to assume a huge amount of American Muslim women don't support Sharia. I have to. That leaves around 1.1% of American Muslims supporting Sharia law, mostly Muslim men.

The other 10% of Americans that support Sharia have to be idiots or are extremely ignorant of the destructive nature of this beast. Think about Sharia and child abuse to name one of the worst aspects.

Sorry but most lousy analysis is because of assumptions. I've seen programs go 25 years pumping out dreck because of early assumptions.

324 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:24:10am

re: #298 loppyd

Chavez sounds like Bill Parcells at a Tuesday after-game press conference.

325 sparrowlake  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:24:46am

re: #220 lawhawk

I posted this on the other thread, and it's probably relevant too.
Which reminds me - if you're not reading my blog on a daily basis, you should be... :)

I don't read MSM. LOL.

326 UFO TOFU  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:24:56am

re: #261 Occasional Reader
Damn, you beat me to it.

327 loppyd  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:25:55am

re: #324 Ward Cleaver

Chavez sounds like Bill Parcells at a Tuesday after-game press conference.

LOL

He and Jason Taylor aren't off to a very good start, huh?

He'd look really good in Patriots uniform!

328 AmeriDan  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:26:04am

Greetings Lizards.

Loppyd,
what part of this great nation do you reside in?

/not a stalker

329 JammieWearingFool  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:26:10am

re: #298 loppyd

Hugo wants to finish his waffles.

330 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:26:12am
331 laZardo  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:26:16am

re: #315 freetoken

Brazil?

332 Roger  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:27:15am

re: #290 Dustoff-507

WOW folks... WE HAVE WARM weather! 0-:

LOL Ahh the feel of 70 degs.

State College
RAIN

Temperature 48° F

Wind Chill 43° F

Humidity 93%

Wind ENE 12 mph

Pressure 29.74"Hg

Visibility 7 miles

Been cool for weeks and winter was long

Go tfk!

333 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:27:28am

Later.

334 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:27:48am
335 laZardo  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:28:07am

re: #333 Occasional Reader

Kay.

336 Cap'n DOC  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:29:35am

re: #258 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Hmmm. Ecstacy!

337 Dustoff-507  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:29:43am

re: #328 AmeriDan

Greetings Lizards.

Loppyd,
what part of this great nation do you reside in?

/not a stalker

Don't tell him Loppyd.... I hear he really is. LOL
/man am I headed for trouble,

338 Dustoff-507  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:30:33am

re: #332 Roger

I live in WA state, we have been waiting SO long for Spring.

339 alegrias  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:31:33am

re: #334 ploome hineni

* * *
I will have no trouble voting for WARMONGERING, AIPAC-supporting McCain who has no lost love for totalitarians/caliphaters, as he belts out his Beach Boys song about "Barbara Ann." Not Lucy in the Skies With Diamonds, but planes loaded for bear.
.

340 JamesTKirk  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:32:04am

re: #299 cygnus

re: #170 JamesTKirk
Yep! I love pulling that one out and taunting Spock with it.

Just don't do it when he's going into pon farr. That's worse than PMS.

Believe me, I don't pull anything out anywhere near Spock when he's going into poon tang pon farr.

341 itellu3times  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:32:45am

re: #12 MandyManners

Soros is a palindrome.

Doo-dah, doo-dah
Soros is a palindrome
And a moonbat boi.

342 Widow'smight  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:32:52am

re: #311 laZardo

Israel and Jordon seem to have a mutual non-destruction thing going there. Israel provides water and other stuff to them, and the Jordanian Gubmint doesn't seem to be openly hostile. Plus, without Israel, who will babysit those poor, starving, uneducated aggressive little Paleotikes?

I read an article in Israel my Glory mag about this Syrian town that was shelled in 1973 after the Syrians attacked Israeli positions in the Golan Heights. Can't remember the name, but what illustrates the Muslim mentality is that they refuse to rebuild it, rather, they leave it as is as a reminder of what Israel did to it. Perpetual victimhood.

Kinda different than American/Israeli thinking.

343 cygnus  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:33:28am

re: #340 JamesTKirk

Believe me, I don't pull anything out anywhere near Spock when he's going into poon tang pon farr.

Spock: "Don't make me get out my ahn woon!"

344 freetoken  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:33:30am

re: #331 laZardo

My take on Brazil - they are large enough to buy real submarines, not the very small ones that those 4 European companies are designing. These new subs are very small and intended for the smaller nations.

According to the Wikipedia entry on the Brazilian Navy,

Brazil has committed nearly USD$500 million towards the goal of producing an indigenous nuclear propulsion system for submarines over the next eight years. This project is managed by the Brazilian Navy.

Supposedly Brazil's Navy has

Type 209 subs

.

345 UFO TOFU  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:33:38am

re: #338 Dustoff-507
Mid 90s here yesterday, supposed to be triple digits tomorrow.

Neener, neener.

346 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:34:06am

Twice Shamed

The Left burdens under a weight they do not like to talk about. From August 1939 until June 1941, the Nazis and the Left were allies. The Left marched in lockstep with Hitler; Communist agents in French factories even sabotaged munitions helping contribute to France's downfall in 1940.

Were this their only unforgivable sin, perhaps one could write it off to naivite or a desire to avoid war (WWI was hell), but the problem is, the Left were the principle ideological architects of disarmament and appeasement of Nazi Germany. Even as Hitler was murdering the mentally disabled and pinning stars on the Jews, while his thugs ran wild in the streets, the Left assured us no one wanted war then raced to fight Spain in 1937, but even with blood pouring into the Andalusian soil, the Left stood meekly and stupefied as Stalin's agents in Spain rounded up and killed Trotskyites and Mensheviks even while under fire from the Luftwaffe and Franco.

They told every one to ignore the the Moscow Show Trials and the "false" rumors of party purges. After the war they demanded the West disarm in the face of Soviet aggression; containment and Reagan defeated their beloved USSR.

Fast forward to today: nothing has changed. The far Left dictates policy to the less left on the major issues of the day: US out of Iraq in defeat, hands off Iran, unchecked immigration and death to the Jews.

With the loathsome Galloway-Muslim Brotherhood and the Livingstone-Qawadiri embraces. Even though radical Islam is as opposed to leftist ideals as Hitler was to Communism (recall the organic embrace of Hitler by the founders of the Muslim Brotherhood, proving nothing ever changes); when it comes to getting the West to adopt suicidal policies, they link arms like brothers and the Jews, wherever they are threatened with fire and doom.

This brings us to the principle tool for weakening the west: appeasement. Like moths to the light, the left has paraded into the parlors of scum and begged them to be nice. As in 1938, the scum once again laughed. The appeasers, leaders from the mightiest nation in human history, bow and scrape before depraved quislings and murderers begging them to be peaceful. And it is working just as well as it did 60 years ago, rather than being checked by these visits, the Syrians and their Iranian partners delight in basking in the legitimacy conferred on them by the appeasers while they embark on expansion of their territorial and nuclear ambitions. In spite of entreaties to peace, the new barbarians have ramped up their terror efforts in Iraq, Afghanistan and Lebanon. Proving yet again that appeasement of dictators does not work. It never has and it never will.

The reason we are on the eve of a Very Big War is because the appeasers. Iran is praying for Bush to do nothing and an Obama presidency. It is shameful that Americans with burns over half their bodies and missing limbs lie in hospital recovery rooms while the Democrats kow-tow to the very people who put them in there. That it is appeasement. It is abasing yourself before wicked men who are our enemies to their core and the only thing they comprehend is power. Instead of calling for turning Iran's nuclear program into rubble and blasting the Quds Force from the face of the earth, Democrats talk about talking.

Spend one day with a large blotch on your face and one of your arms immobilized, then imagine a lifetime that way. Now multiply that times several thousand and you understand the rage we should direct at Iran and the contempt we should have for Pelosi, Obama, and Biden.

As for Bush, he really was also warning Iran, probably for the last time. This is not 1938, America is not asleep, Iran must back down or else.

For the Democrats, their shame comes with a pedigree and the gross stain of previous appeasement. FDR had the moral courage to see the rising danger and respond. The grandchildren of his soldiers are being murdered by Freedom's enemies while FDR's political descendants appease the perpetrators.

347 Kenneth  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:34:39am

Charles, this may be thread-worthy:

Local Muslim leader met privately with Obama

A Muslim leader from Dearborn met privately with Sen. Barack Obama during his Wednesday visit to Michigan.

Imam Hassan Qazwini, head of the Islamic Center of America, said in an email that he met with Obama at Macomb Community College. A mosque spokesman, Eide Alawan, confirmed that the meeting took place. During the meeting, the two discussed the Presidential election, the Arab-Israeli conflict, and the Iraq war, according to Qazwini.

At the end of the meeting, Qazwini said he gave Obama a copy of his new book, American Crescent and invited Obama to visit his center.

Let's a a look at that book, shall we:

American Crescent: A Muslim Cleric on the Power of His Faith, the Struggle Against Prejudice, and the Future of Islam and America

Product Description
In this inspiring narrative, one of this country’s most important Muslim leaders reveals the story of his life and his faith, and why Islam is good for America. As the religious leader of the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, Michigan, Imam Hassan Qazwini serves the largest Muslim congregation in the United States.

And what about Hassan Qazwini, who is he & what's he been up to? Debbie Schlussel has done some research on him:

Take Imam Hassan Qazwini, cleric of the Islamic Center of America, the largest mosque in America, based in Detroit. Like many U.S. Islamic leaders, he openly promoted terrorism and hatred, but now preaches a saccharine love of America.

Saturday, Qazwini held an open house for non-Muslims at his mosque, at which he professed love for America. He recently told the Detroit Free Press that he and his congregants are "praying for the victims ... for unity and solidarity. ... [F]ellow Americans ... we are not the enemies; we are peaceful citizens." He also appeared at a unity prayer session in Detroit.

But, on Nov. 15, 1998, I attended a religious service at Qazwini's mosque that was anything but pro-American and peaceful. Dressed undercover as a Muslim woman, I watched invited speaker Louis Farrakhan preach hate and violence to a very receptive audience of over 1,000 primarily Arab Muslim-Americans.

It was chilling to watch their and Qazwini's frenzied applause and wild cheering as Farrakhan preached about how our government was occupied by "forces of evil" and "people in positions of power with a Satanic mentality" and urged, "We should perform a jihad (holy war). [They are] frightened, and we must frighten them even more." Qazwini and a man whom I believe to be Osama Siblani, publisher of the Arab-American News, called Farrakhan "our dear brother," "a freedom fighter" and "a man of courage and sacrifice." (Siblani denies this and claims it was Nouhad El-Hajj, publisher of the Arab American Journal, but Siblani's publication openly praises Farrakhan and his sentiments.)

By the way, Bush has met repeatedly with Qazwini too, and the imam has even been to the White House.

348 Rancher  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:35:16am

re: #323 Roger

Sorry but most lousy analysis is because of assumptions. I've seen programs go 25 years pumping out dreck because of early assumptions.


Granted, and assuming most Muslim women don’t support Sharia is shaky. American Muslim women and men however are less likely than most to support a 7th century male dominated court system. I will however look it up. The other 10% doesn’t seem to be in dispute, they are idiots and like Iron Fist said, probably liberal.

349 sparrowlake  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:35:37am

re: #318 alegrias

* * *
Last I checked, losers don't get to dictate terms of their surrender, and Israel beat them fair & square each & every time these folks tried to beat Israel.

You are way out of date.
You need to read the U.N. war guide. The loser always wins.

350 laZardo  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:35:40am

re: #342 Widow'smight

That and the King of Jordan is a Trekkie.

351 Kenneth  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:35:43am
352 cygnus  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:36:35am

re: #345 UFO TOFU

Mid 90s here yesterday, supposed to be triple digits tomorrow.

Neener, neener.

You can keep those triple digits. Yuck. It's supposed to be in the 80s here in Western WA today. About frickin' time, too. It snowed here about a month ago!

353 Dustoff-507  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:37:04am

re: #345 UFO TOFU

Meanie. (-:

354 katemaclaren  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:37:51am

cool and very rainy in Philly. Nice sleepin' in weather. Why aren't I in bed?

355 coz  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:39:22am

Good Morning and Happy Friday from the Land of Coz!

356 Dustoff-507  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:39:23am

re: #352 cygnus


Your not kidding. I'm so tired of the rain and cold.

PS..... Did you hear the snow is melting way to fast. 0-:

357 Rancher  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:40:19am

Found this for what it's worth.

Muslims Against Sharia Urge Support for Sue Myrick's "Wake Up America" Initiative

Maybe the illusive moderate Muslim?

358 UFO TOFU  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:40:35am

re: #352 cygnus
Aw, come on. After the mecury gets north of 105 or so you really don't notice much difference.

359 WriterMom  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:40:48am

It's new...it's exciting. It's the DIGITAL PRAYER RUG!

Later lizards.

360 Dustoff-507  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:41:12am

re: #355 coz


Morning COZ.

361 Roger  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:41:13am

I wonder if they'd notice if I sneek in there at night and plant more trees till it was no longer a crescent.

362 sattv4u2  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:41:23am

re: #358 UFO TOFU

Aw, come on. After the mecury gets north of 105 or so you really don't notice much difference.

Al Gore does !

363 Widow'smight  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:41:43am

re: #350 laZardo

Wow, do those Jordanians have any of the Dylithium Crystals, and if so do they use them for Jewelry?

364 coz  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:41:46am

I sometimes feel like I can relate to the cockroach:

A cockroach can live for up to a week without a head.

A typical bed usually houses over 6 billion dust mites.

Amazon ants (red ants found in the western U.S.) steal the larvae of other ants to keep as slaves. The slave ants build homes for and feed the Amazon ants, who cannot do anything but fight. They depend completely on their slaves for survival.

An adult bedbug can survive up to one year without feeding.

An infestation of head lice is called pediculosis.

Ants are social insects and live in colonies which may have as many as 500,000 individuals.

Ants don't sleep.

Aphids are born pregnant without the benefit of sex. Aphids can give birth 10 days after being born themselves.

Australian termites have been known to build mounds twenty feet high and at least 100 feet wide.

Dragonflies are one of the fastest insects, flying 50 to 60 mph.

Each year, insects eat 1/3 of the Earth's food crop.

In its entire lifetime, the average worker bee produces 1/12th teaspoon of honey.

Mosquitoes dislike citronella because it irritates their feet.

Mosquitoes prefer children to adults, and blondes to brunettes.

No two spider webs are the same.

Only female mosquitoes bite. Females need the protein from blood to produce their eggs.

Only full-grown male crickets can chirp.

The animal responsible for the most human deaths world-wide is the mosquito.

The blood of mammals is red, the blood of insects is yellow, and the blood of lobsters is blue.

The buzz that you hear when a bee approaches is the sound of its four wings moving at 11,400 strokes per minute. Bees fly an average of 15 miles per hour.

The disease-carrying mosquito, delivering encephalitis, the West Nile virus, malaria, and Dengue fever, is by far the deadliest beast in the animal world. The World Health Organization says mosquitos cause more than 2 million deaths a year worldwide. Another insect,

The honeybee kills more people world-wide than all the poisonous snakes combined.

The largest cockroach on record is one measured at 3.81 inches in length.

The largest insect egg belongs to the Malaysian jungle nymph, a sticklike insect, and measures about 1.3 centimeters long — larger than a peanut! (Some insects, mainly mantises and cockroaches, lay egg cases that are larger, but they contain about 200 individual eggs.)

The leap of an average flea is equivalent to a 100 pound man leaping 1,000 and enduring a g-force of 20,000 pounds with an acceleration greater than that of a space shuttle.

The tsetse fly kills another 66,000 people annually.

The venom of a female black widow spider is more potent than that of a rattlesnake.

The world's smallest winged insect, the Tanzanian parasitic wasp, is smaller than the eye of a housefly.

There are more insects in one square mile of rural land than there are human beings on the entire earth.

There are more than 2,500 varieties of mosquito.

There are more than 900,000 known species of insects in the world.

When a queen bee lays the fertilized eggs that will develop into new queens, only one of the newly laid queens actually survives. The first new queen that emerges from her cell destroys all other queens in their cells and, thereafter, reigns alone.

When ants find food, they lay down a chemical trail, called a pheromone, so that other ants can find their way from the nest to the food source.

Worker ants may live seven years and the queen may live as long as 15 years.

You're more likely to be a target for mosquitoes if you consume bananas.

365 Dustoff-507  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:41:51am

re: #358 UFO TOFU


WOULD you stop teasing me! (-:

366 coz  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:42:21am

Dustoff,

Good Morning brother!

367 laZardo  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:43:30am
368 AmeriDan  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:43:56am

re: #337 Dust off-507

Don't tell him Loppyd.... I hear he really is. LOL
/man am I headed for trouble,

Damn it, my devious plot has been foiled again! Dustoff, you are now on my list. :)
Actually, I'm helping other Lizards to get together a Memphis area Lizards type convention. I "think" I "remember" loppyd mentioning that she/he was from this area.

Of course, I may have been drunk.

/I report, you decide.

369 laZardo  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:44:03am

re: #363 Widow'smight

Better ask Kirk on that. >__>

370 coz  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:44:37am

Hi guys,

I'll only bother you with this one last time, but if you would consider supporting my musical endeavors, go here and vote for me.

I would be forever grateful!

Vote for Coz!

371 cygnus  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:44:52am

re: #355 coz

Good Morning and Happy Friday from the Land of Coz!

We're off to see the Lizard - the wonderful Lizard of Coz!

372 realwest  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:44:53am

re: #338 Dustoff-507
Bitch, bitch, bitch that's all you ever do about your weather - why don't you do something like make it stop raining!
Oh, wait, you live in a State with a reputation and history of getting a LOT of RAIN!
Bitch, bitch, bitch!

;')

373 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:45:10am

re: #347 Kenneth

It's nice to see that people actually read the spinoff links. :-)

Thanks.

374 Roger  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:45:17am

re: #357 Rancher

Found this for what it's worth.

Muslims Against Sharia Urge Support for Sue Myrick's "Wake Up America" Initiative

Maybe the illusive moderate Muslim?

More likely closet Christians

375 UFO TOFU  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:45:31am

re: #365 Dustoff-507
Sorry Dustoff. Did I hear you sort of retired? If so, is it what you thought it would be?

376 coz  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:45:33am

Word of the Day
Friday May 16, 2008

subfusc sub-FUHSK, adjective:
Dark or dull in color; drab, dusky.

377 loppyd  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:45:59am

re: #328 AmeriDan

Greetings Lizards.

Loppyd,
what part of this great nation do you reside in?

/not a stalker

I live on Boston's North Shore.

Now you have to tell me where you hail from.... LOL

378 Teacake!  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:46:03am

At first I thought this map of islamist's headquarters in the US was made by a kook UNTIL I saw Steve Emerson's name at the bottom. This is frightening!

[Link: standeyo.com...]

379 sattv4u2  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:46:09am

re: #370 coz

Hi guys,

I'll only bother you with this one last time, but if you would consider supporting my musical endeavors, go here and vote for me.

I would be forever grateful!

Vote for Coz!

I'm a SUPERDELEGATE. I'm holding out for the best $$$$$$$deal

380 cygnus  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:46:39am

re: #358 UFO TOFU

Aw, come on. After the mecury gets north of 105 or so you really don't notice much difference.

I was at Altus AFB, OK when the temp got up to 113 one day a looong time ago. Miserable.

381 UFO TOFU  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:46:41am

re: #370 coz
Good luck coz!

382 loppyd  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:47:02am

re: #368 AmeriDan

Damn it, my devious plot has been foiled again! Dustoff, you are now on my list. :)
Actually, I'm helping other Lizards to get together a Memphis area Lizards type convention. I "think" I "remember" loppyd mentioning that she/he was from this area.

Of course, I may have been drunk.

/I report, you decide.

Memphis....Massachusetts. No big difference there. LOL

ps - I'd rather be down South anyway.

383 Kenneth  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:47:05am

re: #364 coz

"An infestation of head lice is called pediculosis."

Is that anything like Nancy Pediculosis?

384 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:47:10am

re: #376 coz

Word of the Day
Friday May 16, 2008

subfusc sub-FUHSK, adjective:
Dark or dull in color; drab, dusky.

I could have some fun with that word.

385 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:47:49am

Muslim soldier, wife raise issue over son’s death

TOPEKA —

A Muslim soldier and his wife in North Carolina, upset over how their infant son’s body was handled after his death, may join a legal battle in Kansas over whether the military respects religious freedoms.

Pfc. Eli Agee and his wife, Mackenzie, are angry that an autopsy was performed — over their objections — on their son after he died May 3 at his home at Fort Bragg, N.C. The Agees are Muslim and believe an autopsy desecrates the body.

While doctors suspect sudden infant death syndrome, the Army said the autopsy will determine the exact cause of death. An official also said the Army is sensitive to the couple’s religious views.

The Agees have contacted the Military Religious Freedom Foundation about possible legal action. The foundation expects to include their complaint in a pending Kansas lawsuit, and Mackenzie Agee said the couple may file a separate case.

386 realwest  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:48:02am

re: #355 coz Hi coz! How's everything in cozland today?

387 UFO TOFU  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:48:05am

re: #380 cygnus
But was it humid?
;)

388 loppyd  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:48:36am

re: #337 Dustoff-507

Don't tell him Loppyd.... I hear he really is. LOL
/man am I headed for trouble,

As long as he doesn't ask me to help him move a couch into his van, we're cool.

389 ggt  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:49:14am

Good Morning Lizards! So far, the sun is holding it's own in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland this am.

What was decided about Carnagie Mellon?

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

390 Dustoff-507  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:49:17am

re: #366 coz

Life is GOOD I hope.

391 Alouette  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:50:26am

I really hate the sidebar ad of the ugly guy with "PARTY" painted across his flabby chest.

392 ggt  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:50:27am

re: #385 NJDhockeyfan

So they could beat the kid to death or feed it cocaine and no autopsy could confirm it because of "religious values"?

There has to be a line.

393 Natasha  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:51:45am

re: #140 Sizzlack

So BinLaden has his new message out. Yea right. He says their whole fight is about freeing Israel, and that thats why 9/11 happened. What happened to U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia? His message constantly changes, now hes on the Nabka bandwagon? Classic...

Hmmmm... Hit albums from beyond the grave... Who does Osama think he is? Tupac?

394 realwest  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:51:56am

re: #364 coz Uh, coz my friend, I coulda done without that post, really. I really don't like bugs at all and especially mosquitoes (who, btw, go after banana eaters cause of the potassium in bananas) - could ya please not post stuff like that again?
And yes I know this is an anti-intellectual request, but I'm afraid you'll start on Spiders next!

395 loppyd  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:52:21am

re: #330 ploome hineni

it is never to respond to the issue

it is to discredit the accusation

discredit the evidence

and discredit the questioner

That will not work forever....

396 coz  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:52:38am

Realwest!

My brutha!

397 Cygnus  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:53:07am

re: #359 WriterMom

It's new...it's exciting. It's the DIGITAL PRAYER RUG!

Later lizards.

There's also digital rosary beads. Sorry, no picture available.

398 AmeriDan  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:53:08am

re: #377 loppyd

I live on Boston's North Shore.

Now you have to tell me where you hail from.... LOL

re: #368 AmeriDan to Dust off

Damn it, my devious plot has been foiled again! Dustoff, you are now on my list. :)
Actually, I'm helping other Lizards to get together a Memphis area Lizards type convention. I "think" I "remember" loppyd mentioning that she/he was from this area.

Of course, I may have been drunk.

/I report, you decide.

I guess I was drunk that night. For some reason I was thinking that you live in the Memphis area.

399 loppyd  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:53:26am

re: #329 JammieWearingFool

Hugo wants to finish his waffles.

Well he already answered, like eight questions!

400 ggt  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:53:56am

re: #364 coz

"Each year, insects eat 1/3 of the Earth's food crop."

Big Insects are ripping us off!

401 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:54:03am

re: #385 NJDhockeyfan

Muslim soldier, wife raise issue over son’s death

Okay, I get it. Strapping explosives to a person and having them blow themselves up is halal, but doing an autopsy is haraam.

And no, I'm not implying that the Agees are jihadis or jihadi sympathizers, just commenting on islam.

402 rightside  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:54:36am

re: #364 coz

A cockroach can live for up to a week without a head.

They have nothing on Congress. Some Senators have been known to survive decades with their heads firmly up their asses.

403 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:54:45am

re: #399 loppyd

Well he already answered, like eight questions!

His waffle is cold now.

404 opnion  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:54:45am

Has anybody else noticed a recent up tick in moonbat activity.
It seems like a surge fuled by Obama.
Flying home from NY this week , a senior female moonbat brainwashed a young woman about Barry for a couple of hours. It was heinous.
This morning on the train the same thing.An unreconstucted hippie woman that I have known for years got in an arguement with a young woman who does not like Obama.
The kid
was struggling, so I jumped in & pointed out his Hamas endorsement & Michelle's comment about not being proud of her country.
Her responses? Ready? The Hamas thing never happened & ready?
Michelle was taken out of context.

405 Natasha  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:55:21am

re: #400 ggt

Good morning ggt!
A coffee spew alert next time, pretty pweeeease? My cat and my computer are wearing my coffee now.

406 Kenneth  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:55:43am

re: #373 Honorary Yooper

Good catch! That should be a thread topic.

407 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:56:47am

re: #404 opnion

It does seem that a lot of the moonbats are very enamored of Barry. They seem willing to deny the facts and deny what he said in order to justify supporting him.

It's a scary cult, IMHO.

408 Iron Fist  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:57:19am

re: #402 rightside,

Speaking of Ted Kennedy, I heard yesterday on the radio about a letter form the head of the KGB to Yuri Andropov where Teddy hadbeen offering PR tips to the Soviets back during the Cold War. Class act traitor, that Kennedy.

409 Dustoff-507  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:58:39am

re: #394 realwest


Hey buddy, it's all food. Remember the survival class. 0-:

410 loppyd  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:59:09am

re: #408 Iron Fist

,

Speaking of Ted Kennedy, I heard yesterday on the radio about a letter form the head of the KGB to Yuri Andropov where Teddy hadbeen offering PR tips to the Soviets back during the Cold War. Class act traitor, that Kennedy.

it doesn't take long to move from 2nd degree murderer to traitor....

411 Natasha  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:59:10am

re: #407 Honorary Yooper

It does seem that a lot of the moonbats are very enamored of Barry. They seem willing to deny the facts and deny what he said in order to justify supporting him.

It's a scary cult, IMHO.

Indeed. It disgusts me how people are actively looking to submit to some "Great Leader™". What happened to independence and questioning authority?

412 sattv4u2  Fri, May 16, 2008 7:59:30am

re: #408 Iron Fist

,

Speaking of Ted Kennedy, I heard yesterday on the radio about a letter form the head of the KGB to Yuri Andropov where Teddy hadbeen offering PR tips to the Soviets back during the Cold War. Class act traitor, that Kennedy.

he was only doing it for the free vodka !

413 Dustoff-507  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:00:15am

re: #398 AmeriDan


I see I'm making points with you buddy. (-:

414 zmdavid  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:00:21am

re: #400 ggt

"Each year, insects eat 1/3 of the Earth's food crop."

Big Insects are ripping us off!


A better phrasing is "Big Insect" is ripping us off. (Yours makes it sound like you are talking about the size of the insects).

415 realwest  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:00:45am

re: #382 {loppyd} Hey good morning good looking! Ya know, Charlotte, North Carolina is down south?! Just checking to make sure you know that! LOL!

416 coz  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:00:52am

You know,

If Charles could create an alternate version of LGF that looked like an Excel spreadsheet I could probably post a whole lot more!

417 freetoken  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:00:54am

Did everyone see Peggy Noonan's article today?


[...]
"This [Mississippi special election] was a real wakeup call for us," someone named Robert M. Duncan, who is chairman of the Republican National Committee, told the New York Times. This was after Mississippi. "We can't let the Democrats take our issues." And those issues would be? "We can't let them pretend to be conservatives," he continued. Why not? Republicans pretend to be conservative every day.
[...]
What's behind it? "American people just won't take a long war. Just – name me a war, even in a pro-military state like this. It's overall disappointment. It's national. No leadership, adrift. Things haven't worked." The future lies in rebuilding locally, not being "distracted" by Washington.
418 Kenneth  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:01:12am

re: #404 opnion

A moonbat acquaintance of mine who is all tingly about Obama was offended when I objected to the Second Coming of Jesus packaging his campaign was using. The moonbat, being an atheist, denied it was happening. So I sent him a link to Obama Messiah.

I haven't heard back from him about it.

419 UFO TOFU  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:01:20am

re: #414 zmdavid
Don't forget Caps Lock!

420 ggt  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:01:27am

re: #405 Natasha

Sorry, sorry, I didn't think it was that clever. Next time I'll warn you. Please apologize to your Cat Overlord for me. I NEVER intended to force any form of water on him. I do no not now nor have ever endorsed water torture for cats.

421 ggt  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:01:52am

re: #414 zmdavid

You are right. I thought about that at the time and just couldn't decide.

422 rightside  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:01:59am

Ok, done with work for the week. I am going to spend some of my economic stimulus money on a firearm for protection.

Have a great weekend Lizards!

423 alegrias  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:02:24am

John Kerry with a birds' nest hairdo yesterday really took offense at President Bush's words about appeasers who meet with bad guys.

John Kerry who while in Navy uniform during war-time and while on his honeymoon, snuck out to meet with Viet Cong delegations in Paris to undermine his country's war effort! Who knows what Kerry promised the communists then, or Baby Assad more recently, or all the other thugs he's dined with to undermine his country.

Bill Clinton also apparently met with anti-US types while in England during his wild college bearded hippie days. Hillary defended democrats' rights to meet those who threaten us & our friends, without preconditions.

It made me smile to see these folks react to President Bush's words to our allies.

Because when it comes to appeasing & surrendering, if the shoe fits, wear it! And they all ran out as if in fact called by name, to protest too much.

424 loppyd  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:02:30am

re: #404 opnion

They are convinced he is going to win and will not listen to anything - truth be damned - that does not go along with that thinking.

425 Natasha  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:03:35am

re: #420 ggt

That cat likes water. He sits under the faucet in the bath tub and howls until I turn the water on (just to a drip). He drinks it, but mostly just gets it all over himself.
I don't know, maybe it was because I just woke up, but that Big Insect comment struck me as very funny.

426 loppyd  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:04:17am

re: #423 alegrias

Please don't get me started on John Effing Kerry.

I guess the president's remarks didn't pass his global test.

427 ggt  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:04:19am

I wonder, if Barry does get the Oval office, how he is going to feel when all the advisors start telling him what he can and can't do. Does he really think he is going to have time to eat his waffles?

428 ggt  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:05:17am

re: #425 Natasha

Mine has the whole family trained to turn the faucet on. He does not appreciate being splashed tho.

429 AmeriDan  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:05:43am

re: #388 loppyd

As long as he doesn't ask me to help him move a couch into his van, we're cool.

Dear loppyd,

Due to the Booosh economy, I have been forced to sell my couch.

Would you please help me load it into my van?

/Silence of the Lambs reference.

430 UFO TOFU  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:05:45am

re: #418 Kenneth
From that link, someone auctioned Obama's half-eaten waffle? And was going to donate the proceeds to Hillary?

431 realwest  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:05:52am

re: #409 Dustoff-507
Remember survival class? Hell I taught it for over a year!
That could be why I hate insects so much! LOL!

Hey what was that post upthread somewhere about your retiring about? Didn't y'all just start with Boeing?!

432 ggt  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:06:21am

Hey rw! How you doin'?

433 Natasha  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:06:36am

Barry seems to be under impression he is going to be the Emperor of the Union of American Socialist Republics. Moonbats seem to be under the same impression. I think it is time for them to break out their old Civics textbooks and re-read the parts about how American government really works.

434 alegrias  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:07:04am

re: #408 Iron Fist

,

Speaking of Ted Kennedy, I heard yesterday on the radio about a letter form the head of the KGB to Yuri Andropov where Teddy hadbeen offering PR tips to the Soviets back during the Cold War. Class act traitor, that Kennedy.

* * *
Was Teddy at that time trying to undermine DJhimmi Carter whom he hated & tried to contest in 1980?

Cause remember, Pres. Reagan said he WANTED to meet with the Soviet leaders, but they kept dying on him.

Brezhnev
Chernenko
Pickup Andropov (thanks to the Car Guys, my only PBS faves)
Gorby Baby!

435 laZardo  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:07:37am

re: #393 Natasha

I'd find that Dave Chappelle bit, but YouTube's sputtering about on me here. >_>

436 Iron Fist  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:07:41am

I knew it! I knew it!

Loppyd, AmeriDan is a Stalker! Stalkers always deny being stalkers!

437 ggt  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:07:44am

re: #433 Natasha

Socialist thinking has stretched the Constitution to the point of bursting. D@mnd conservatives just won't let it burst!

//////

438 Kenneth  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:08:09am

re: #427 ggt

I guess that depends upon who his advisers are...

439 ggt  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:08:49am

re: #438 Kenneth

I think they are going to start pulling the strings and he is going to be in for a big suprise.

440 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:09:09am

re: #429 AmeriDan

That's creepy, dude. Knock it off.

441 loppyd  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:09:24am

re: #429 AmeriDan

Dear loppyd,

Due to the Booosh economy, I have been forced to sell my couch.

Would you please help me load it into my van?

/Silence of the Lambs reference.

You got it! Yaaay!

Don't make me hurt your dog, Mister.

442 alegrias  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:09:38am

re: #411 Natasha

Indeed. It disgusts me how people are actively looking to submit to some "Great Leader™". What happened to independence and questioning authority?

* * *
Even liberals & atheists need a "Great Leader" they can 'worship' & believe in!

Also, there's a huge component of celebrity worship of this dem candidate, because, really, who could get that excited about fat Al Gore or sourpuss Frenchie Jean Francois Kerry?

443 zmdavid  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:10:37am

Scalia is going to be on Laura Ingraham this hour. I'm listening on a regular AM radio, but it's probably online somewhere.

444 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:10:41am

re: #433 Natasha

Barry seems to be under impression he is going to be the Emperor of the Union of American Socialist Republics. Moonbats seem to be under the same impression. I think it is time for them to break out their old Civics textbooks and re-read the parts about how American government really works.

Problem is, most moonbats think Civics is what Honda makes. They are blissfully unaware of the real meaning of the term.

445 laZardo  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:10:41am

re: #411 Natasha

They only question the authority of conservatives.

446 gordonshandling  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:10:46am

Important news from The Netherlands. Sharia has been introduced thanks to the Christian/Socialist coalition. A lot of discussion on Dutch Internet fora and today already has been described as the worst day after 911, murder on Theo van Gogh and murder on Pim Fortuyn.

Dutch cartoonist arrested for 'insulting people'
Cartoonist known for mocking Muslims, leftists has received death threats
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

[Link: cnews.canoe.ca...]

447 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:11:04am

re: #433 Natasha

Barry seems to be under impression he is going to be the Emperor of the Union of American Socialist Republics. Moonbats seem to be under the same impression. I think it is time for them to break out their old Civics textbooks and re-read the parts about how American government really works.

I always found a good rule of thumb is: An American Government that works less works best. Oh, except for bombing the shit out of our enemies of course.

448 Iron Fist  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:11:29am

re: #434 alegrias,

It was in 1983, so he was trying to undermine Reagan. The gist of it was he thought Cowboy Reagan was going to get us into a nuclear war with the sweet Russkies. He gave them PR advice on how to win over the American people, specifically to go to the likes of Walter Cronkite and Barbara Walters to get their message across to the American People.

Democrats will go to any lengths to help America's enemies in a time of war if the President is a Republican.

449 UFO TOFU  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:12:37am

re: #447 Nevergiveup

As Thomas Jefferson eloquently summarized in his First Inaugural address: “A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.”
450 loppyd  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:13:26am

Obama's foreign policy adviser, Susan Rice, was on Morning Joe today and she was forced to say that Obama would not talk to anyone at Hamas at any level.

His back is to the wall on the terror issue.

451 Dustoff-507  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:13:47am

re: #431 realwest


Got me buddy... I didn't see that part. The only retirement is with the Fire Dept. Not Boeing.

452 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:13:51am

re: #434 alegrias

* * *
Was Teddy at that time trying to undermine DJhimmi Carter whom he hated & tried to contest in 1980?

Cause remember, Pres. Reagan said he WANTED to meet with the Soviet leaders, but they kept dying on him.

Brezhnev
Chernenko
Pickup Andropov (thanks to the Car Guys, my only PBS faves)
Gorby Baby!

From yesterday at Frontpage:

Ted Kennedy and the KGB

Kengor: The episode is based on a document produced 25 years ago this week. I discussed it with you in our earlier interview back in November 2006. In my book, The Crusader: Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism, I presented a rather eye-opening May 14, 1983 KGB document on Ted Kennedy. The entire document, unedited, unabridged, is printed in the book, as well as all the documentation affirming its authenticity. Even with that, today, almost 25 years later, it seems to have largely remained a secret.

FP: Tell us about this document.

Kengor: It was a May 14, 1983 letter from the head of the KGB, Viktor Chebrikov, to the head of the USSR, the odious Yuri Andropov, with the highest level of classification. Chebrikov relayed to Andropov an offer from Senator Ted Kennedy, presented by Kennedy’s old friend and law-school buddy, John Tunney, a former Democratic senator from California, to reach out to the Soviet leadership at the height of a very hot time in the Cold War. According to Chebrikov, Kennedy was deeply troubled by the deteriorating relationship between the United States and the Soviet Union, which he believed was bringing us perilously close to nuclear confrontation. Kennedy, according to Chebrikov, blamed this situation not on the Soviet leadership but on the American president---Ronald Reagan. Not only was the USSR not to blame, but, said Chebrikov, Kennedy was, quite the contrary, “very impressed” with Andropov.

The thrust of the letter is that Reagan had to be stopped, meaning his alleged aggressive defense policies, which then ranged from the Pershing IIs to the MX to SDI, and even his re-election bid, needed to be stopped. It was Ronald Reagan who was the hindrance to peace. That view of Reagan is consistent with things that Kennedy said and wrote at the time, including articles in sources like Rolling Stone (March 1984) and in a speeches like his March 24, 1983 remarks on the Senate floor the day after Reagan’s SDI speech, which he lambasted as “misleading Red-Scare tactics and reckless Star Wars schemes.”

Even more interesting than Kennedy’s diagnosis was the prescription: According to Chebrikov, Kennedy suggested a number of PR moves to help the Soviets in terms of their public image with the American public. He reportedly believed that the Soviet problem was a communication problem, resulting from an inability to counter Reagan’s (not the USSR’s) “propaganda.” If only Americans could get through Reagan’s smokescreen and hear the Soviets’ peaceful intentions.

So, there was a plan, or at least a suggested plan, to hook up Andropov and other senior apparatchiks with the American media, where they could better present their message and make their case. Specifically, the names of Walter Cronkite and Barbara Walters are mentioned in the document. Also, Kennedy himself would travel to Moscow to meet with the dictator.

Time was of the essence, since Reagan, as the document privately acknowledged, was flying high en route to easy re-election in 1984.

453 Natasha  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:14:15am

re: #447 Nevergiveup

Amen to that!

454 UFO TOFU  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:14:44am

re: #451 Dustoff-507
My mistake.

455 alegrias  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:15:35am

re: #424 loppyd

They are convinced he is going to win and will not listen to anything - truth be damned - that does not go along with that thinking.

* * *
Last night there were two Hillary supporters on Fox News saying they would consider voting for John McCain, because democrats had dissed women and Hillary, and they weren't going to take it. One of them held up a sign with email addresses for various states supposedly disenfranchised by dems.

These women weren't drinkin' the messianic koolaid nor the sweetie talk. They are ready to walk from the democrats!

456 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:16:11am
457 realwest  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:17:19am

re: #432 ggt Hey ggt! I be doing ok, thanks, how's about yourself?

458 funky chicken  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:17:23am

re: #433 Natasha

Barry seems to be under impression he is going to be the Emperor of the Union of American Socialist Republics. Moonbats seem to be under the same impression. I think it is time for them to break out their old Civics textbooks and re-read the parts about how American government really works.

The frightening thing is that it seems that an awful lot of "True Conservatives" are going to try to hand the White House and huge majorities to the dems, and they will be affirmed in that impression.

459 alegrias  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:17:37am

re: #427 ggt

I wonder, if Barry does get the Oval office, how he is going to feel when all the advisors start telling him what he can and can't do. Does he really think he is going to have time to eat his waffles?

* * *
Eating Oatmeal is more manly than eating waffles.

Even crunchy muesli (with oats, fruit & nuts) is more manly than waffles.

And Arugula is also effete.

460 The Other Les  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:17:39am

re: #408 Iron Fist

,

Speaking of Ted Kennedy, I heard yesterday on the radio about a letter form the head of the KGB to Yuri Andropov where Teddy hadbeen offering PR tips to the Soviets back during the Cold War. Class act traitor, that Kennedy.

This will of course lead to dancing.

461 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:18:02am

re: #455 alegrias

* * *
Last night there were two Hillary supporters on Fox News saying they would consider voting for John McCain, because democrats had dissed women and Hillary, and they weren't going to take it. One of them held up a sign with email addresses for various states supposedly disenfranchised by dems.

These women weren't drinkin' the messianic koolaid nor the sweetie talk. They are ready to walk from the democrats!

I saw them. All fine and dandy but they didn't appear to be playing with a full deck. Then again, how many liberal types are? Class warfare is a bitch when it comes back and bites you in the ass.

462 nyc redneck  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:18:47am

good morning everyone,
we sure have a rainy dark morning in nyc today. and chilly. i wore my polka dot raincoat when i went out for coffee. that cheers people up. hope you all have some sunshine where you are.

463 realwest  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:18:51am

re: #436 Iron Fist Hey good morning bro'! I don't know how to say that, but there's something flawed in that logic of yours about stalkers!
'cept of course for the ones who announce themselves! LOL!

464 Dustoff-507  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:18:52am

re: #454 UFO TOFU


OK.... would be nice though.. (-:

465 opnion  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:18:55am

re: #418 Kenneth

A moonbat acquaintance of mine who is all tingly about Obama was offended when I objected to the Second Coming of Jesus packaging his campaign was using. The moonbat, being an atheist, denied it was happening. So I sent him a link to Obama Messiah.

I haven't heard back from him about it.

The moonbats have become unhinged over this guy.
They are at Def con1 and they bare going to vote.
I hope that McCain runs a really good campaign with the gloves off.

466 funky chicken  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:19:43am

re: #456 buzzsawmonkey

How will he give instructions to, and receive feedback from, his Gaza phone bank?

heh

467 Natasha  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:20:24am

It is sad and frightening that the government has so much power now, that people have to worry about the continued existence of this society as we know it. Were the government limited according to the Constitution, it really would not matter so much who the President is. But people kept voting for more and more handouts and feel-good legislation, selling themselves and their liberty in the process. Socialism is slavery dressed in pretty words.

468 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:21:24am

re: #433 Natasha

Barry seems to be under impression he is going to be the Emperor of the Union of American Socialist Republics. Moonbats seem to be under the same impression. I think it is time for them to break out their old Civics textbooks and re-read the parts about how American government really works.

He's going to be Sith Lord to Soros' Emperor.
His Jedi mind tricks work easily on weak moonbat minds.

469 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:22:04am
470 Natasha  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:22:05am

re: #459 alegrias

* * *
Eating Oatmeal is more manly than eating waffles.

Even crunchy muesli (with oats, fruit & nuts) is more manly than waffles.

And Arugula is also effete.

Forget oatmeal. Bacon and eggs is where it's at (it can be beef or turkey bacon if you want to keep Kosher)! And high-octane coffee. All part of this complete manly breakfast.

471 AmeriDan  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:22:40am

re: #440 Killgore Trout

That's creepy, dude. Knock it off.

Okay, Killgore, I'll stop, but loppyd and Dustoff and myself were just having some dark humor fun.

I know that we have to watch our P's and Q's around here, but there are several Lizards here that will vouch for me.

472 nyc redneck  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:22:42am

re: #439 ggt

I think they are going to start pulling the strings and he is going to be in for a big suprise.

i couldn't agree more. soros, for sure, is going to start jerking is strings. the puppet is bought and paid for. but he is such an empty headed ignorant devoid of common sense person, he may welcome the manipulation. the scarecrow has no brain.

473 ggt  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:22:52am

re: #457 realwest


Hangin' in there. We got our "incentive" money back from the government today.

474 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:22:59am
475 alegrias  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:23:15am

re: #450 loppyd

Obama's foreign policy adviser, Susan Rice, was on Morning Joe today and she was forced to say that Obama would not talk to anyone at Hamas at any level.

His back is to the wall on the terror issue.

* * *
But he's got his fingers crossed behind his back and is blinking in Morse Code "t-o-r-t-u-r-e" so Hamas understands he's only dissassociating for political reasons, before the election.

476 loppyd  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:23:56am

re: #455 alegrias

* * *
Last night there were two Hillary supporters on Fox News saying they would consider voting for John McCain, because democrats had dissed women and Hillary, and they weren't going to take it. One of them held up a sign with email addresses for various states supposedly disenfranchised by dems.

These women weren't drinkin' the messianic koolaid nor the sweetie talk. They are ready to walk from the democrats!

I saw a car yesterday that had these two stickers:

HILLARY 08

NO-BAMA.

This is in Massachusetts, mind you.

477 loppyd  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:24:27am

re: #475 alegrias

* * *
But he's got his fingers crossed behind his back and is blinking in Morse Code "t-o-r-t-u-r-e" so Hamas understands he's only dissassociating for political reasons, before the election.

Oh I don't believe her or him for a second.

478 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:24:40am

re: #471 AmeriDan

I wasn't following the conversation. As long as everyone is having fun don't let me stop you.

479 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:24:42am

re: #473 ggt

We got our "incentive" money back from the government

IT'S. NOT. A. "REBATE"!

480 Dustoff-507  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:24:44am

re: #473 ggt


I haven't got mine yet. )-: pout. pout. (-:

481 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:25:51am

I was really worried about this one.....
McCain’s Hamas comments, context restored

I feel much better about it now.

482 realwest  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:25:59am

re: #455 alegrias IF only. They said they'd consider voting for McCain, but if they're really Democrats, they will vote for whoever the hell is the Dem nominee.
But I do think a lot of Hillary's supporters - maybe as much as 20% - will not vote at all for POTUS if Hillary isn't the nominee cause let's face it, the Dems have not been exactly KIND to her. Kennedy, Kerry and Dodd came out VERY QUICKLY AND EARLY in the primary process to endorse Obama.
God help them if she does somehow win the nomination (like pointing out how she's won EVERY BIG ELECTORAL VOTE STATE except Illinois and that's Barry's home state; and if he can't win the Dem Primary in NY, NJ, Texas, Florida, Ohio, California, Pennsylvania and Michigan* how the hell is he gonna get elected?).

483 The Other Les  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:26:09am

re: #468 Kosh's Shadow

He's going to be Sith Lord to Soros' Emperor.
His Jedi mind tricks work easily on weak moonbat minds.

Moonbats are not competent enough to be influenced by the Jedi mind trick.

Or Sith management techniques.

Due to the haste with which we are proceeding through the latter phases of this battle-station's construction we have been forced to employ scores of civilian contractors from across the galaxy in addition to our own Imperial Corps of Engineers. This had led to a certain clash of working cultures.

For instance, this morning I critiqued a tragically sub-par piece of workmanship on a tractor-beam repulsolift inversion assembly by snapping the neck of the site supervisor and throwing his limp corpse down a disused elevator shaft.

Imperial engineers would have snapped to crisp attention, of course, but all these civilian contractors did was give me was grief. "Oy, you do that again and I'll have the union on you!" barked one red-faced buffoon.

"It is vital that you enhance the inter-departmental syngergies of your operation," I said. And then I killed him.

484 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:26:33am

LOPPYD PUTS THE LOTION ON ITS SKIN, OR ELSE LOPPYD GETS THE HOSE!

485 ggt  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:26:45am

re: #480 Dustoff-507

Don't feel too bad, after all we just paid, it seems anticlimatic.

Remember there was a time with 20% interest was considered usuary. What would people of thought back then when total tax (state, Fed, entitlements) is closer to 50%.

486 zmdavid  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:27:21am

re: #467 Natasha

It is sad and frightening that the government has so much power now, that people have to worry about the continued existence of this society as we know it. Were the government limited according to the Constitution, it really would not matter so much who the President is. But people kept voting for more and more handouts and feel-good legislation, selling themselves and their liberty in the process. Socialism is slavery dressed in pretty words.

If America drinks the Kool-ade and goes full boat socialist it is more important that we have people of the highest integrity running things. Limited government allows for crass idiots being in office because they can't do much damage.

I don't think the current crop of politicians are of high enough caliber to run everyone's lives. I don't think such people exist, or if they do, they don't generally go into government.

487 gordonshandling  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:27:34am

re: #446 gordonshandling

Important news from The Netherlands. Sharia has been introduced thanks to the Christian/Socialist coalition. A lot of discussion on Dutch Internet fora and today already has been described as the worst day after 911, murder on Theo van Gogh and murder on Pim Fortuyn.


Robert Spencer is already picking this one up. Any chance we can buy back Manhattan? Nice place for all the Dutch asylum seekers....

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

488 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:27:38am

(How's that for "creepy", Killgore? bwaaahahahahaha)

489 Natasha  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:27:45am

re: #480 Dustoff-507

Nor have I. And just yesterday I saw a little blurb on Yahoo! about IRS making mistakes with the deposits, and forgetting to give "child credits". I don't have kids, but I would like to get back at least a little bit of the money stolen from me sometime soon.

490 loppyd  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:27:48am

re: #484 Occasional Reader

LOPPYD PUTS THE LOTION ON ITS SKIN, OR ELSE LOPPYD GETS THE HOSE!

Seriously- can you say the word lotion without making a Silence of the Lambs reference? I know I can't. LOL

491 ggt  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:28:01am

re: #482 realwest

Bribes to the superdelegates will get him the nomination. In Means of Ascent, Robert Caro described how LBJ got the Senate seat without getting the popular vote. It can be done.

492 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:28:11am
493 Ojoe  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:28:15am

re: #193 faraway

IMHO Obama is a sleeper

494 Dustoff-507  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:28:21am

re: #484 Occasional Reader


Look out, here comes the X-rating. 0-:

495 newmelleman  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:28:30am
LOPPYD PUTS THE LOTION ON ITS SKIN, OR ELSE LOPPYD GETS THE HOSE!

Careful or you'll short out the talking bra...bro.

496 see bs  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:28:52am

Happy Friday all!

497 Dustoff-507  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:29:23am

re: #485 ggt

You know it. Heck in my city...... get this. The tax you for your view. 0-:

498 ggt  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:29:33am

re: #486 zmdavid

I've been told by a quasi-moonbat that it doesn't matter who the president is. They view the president as a Zaphod Beeblebrox, just the frontman.

499 opnion  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:29:35am

I think that Barry & the vulgar Michelle remember every real & imagined slight in their lives.
Looks to me like they want revenge & will punish this nation.
He would have a Democrat House & Senate. What do you think the Supreme Court will look like when he is finished?

500 loppyd  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:29:52am

re: #495 newmelleman

Careful or you'll short out the talking bra...bro.

LOL

On that note, me and my talking bra are off to get some lunch.

BBL if work isn't too crazy.

501 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:30:29am

re: #481 Killgore Trout

I was really worried about this one.....
McCain’s Hamas comments, context restored

I feel much better about it now.

He's still married to Amanpour.

502 Dustoff-507  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:30:38am

re: #489 Natasha


Yeah, and I would like the numbers to the lotto too! LOL

503 Ojoe  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:30:42am

re: #259 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Bin Laden can eat my toasted shorts in hell.

504 alegrias  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:30:44am

re: #461 Nevergiveup

I saw them. All fine and dandy but they didn't appear to be playing with a full deck. Then again, how many liberal types are? Class warfare is a bitch when it comes back and bites you in the ass.

* * *
It takes a lot of courage to be a democrat willing to go on Fox News and say you are disappointed with your fellow democrats.

These two women were brave, they weren't Kos kidz or eggheads maybe, but they were heartfelt and knew what they were talking about--DISILLUSIONMENT from Democrats' so called for the common "peoples'" party.

505 Natasha  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:30:44am

re: #486 zmdavid

If America drinks the Kool-ade and goes full boat socialist it is more important that we have people of the highest integrity running things. Limited government allows for crass idiots being in office because they can't do much damage.

I don't think the current crop of politicians are of high enough caliber to run everyone's lives. I don't think such people exist, or if they do, they don't generally go into government.

If America goes full-on socialist, I am screwed. I thought I got away from that crap by leaving the USSR, but now it is catching up with me here. What the H-E-double hockey sticks?

506 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:30:48am
507 steve  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:31:21am

Anyone else seen this.

US soldier refuses to serve in 'illegal Iraq war'

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Should not be in the paper he should be in the stockade. Period.

508 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:31:51am

re: #490 loppyd

can you say the word lotion without making a Silence of the Lambs reference?

I second that e-lotion!

(okay, lousy pun... now THAT'S creepy)

509 ggt  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:31:57am

re: #506 buzzsawmonkey

yes, well, I didn't attempt logic with this one.

510 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:32:35am
511 Joan  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:32:53am

We need a lexicon of ridicule for public progressives. You know, use the tactics of propaganda just as effectively as the Left does. They have mastered the art of demonization and rehabilitation. Truly stunningly executed if one is objective. Let's see if I can do a short list to illustrate:

Richard Nixon (the Ur-demon)
Phyllis Schlafley
Jerry Falwell
Ronald Reagan
George W. Bush

(Reagan: partially rehabilitated)

Image Assassins Recruited from Academia, Media, Entertainment

So, let's try it ourselves. We've got a little start, we have failed in relentlessness however. We have, so far, really only one solid Image Assassin, we need more of them I'd say.

Hanoi Jane (our Ur-demon)
The Peanut Farmer

That's it, I can't think of another we've succeeded at.

Let's dehabilitate Olbermann, m'kay?
Olberman, Sweating Propagandist
That Turnip Olbermann
Olbermann, Wweating Propagandist and Turnip

512 realwest  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:33:03am

re: #497 Dustoff-507
They tax you for your view?! You're joking, right?!
Please say you're joking! And if you ain't joking, who the hell decides how much to tax you for your View?

513 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:33:12am
514 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:33:13am

re: #498 ggt

I've been told by a quasi-moonbat that it doesn't matter who the president is. They view the president as a Zaphod Beeblebrox, just the frontman.

Maybe that's why the moonbat picks always end up with Vogon governments.
(But moonbats do write better poetry)

515 Dustoff-507  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:33:26am

re: #507 steve


O-he will, when the Mil court is done with him.

516 VegasRick  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:33:37am

re: #501 MandyManners

He's still married to Amanpour.

Christine Imawhore is married to McCain?

517 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:33:48am

re: #488 Occasional Reader

Silence! The Musical

518 alegrias  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:34:00am

re: #467 Natasha

It is sad and frightening that the government has so much power now, that people have to worry about the continued existence of this society as we know it. Were the government limited according to the Constitution, it really would not matter so much who the President is. But people kept voting for more and more handouts and feel-good legislation, selling themselves and their liberty in the process. Socialism is slavery dressed in pretty words.


* * *
Many of us are here at this website because one function of our government is to raise armies/military organizations to preserve, protect & defend us from enemies when we can't do so individually.

Al Qaeda and her allies is such an enemy, as are totalitarians everywhere.

519 ggt  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:34:21am

So gubenor Daley has planned to arm the Chicago Police Gang Units with M-4's --while effectively disarming the law-abiding citizen. Is this going to cause any effect other than to cause the criminal element to move further into the suburbs?

I think I'm going to move the place that is West of the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland, but not Iowa.

520 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:34:27am

re: #516 VegasRick

Christine Imawhore is married to McCain?

I thought McCain was married to BeerBaroness?

521 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:34:33am

Silence of the Lambs was one of the few movies that well and truly scared me. (The ghosties n' ghoulies pics don't really do it, because I don't believe in ghosties n' ghoulies, or possession by evil spirits, etc. In contrast, serial killers really exist.)

522 Dustoff-507  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:34:39am

re: #512 realwest


Nope, my city taxes you for you million buck view. )-:

523 Onslow  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:34:41am

Can we please dropkick the UN from this beautiful country?

524 ggt  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:35:30am

re: #514 Kosh's Shadow

Yes, you are right.

525 AmeriDan  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:36:00am

re: #441 loppyd

You got it! Yaaay!

Don't make me hurt your dog, Mister.

I would offer a quote from the movie to that, but Killgore Trout wants me to "knock it off".

I will abide by Killgore's wishes. I have much respect for Killgore.

526 Natasha  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:36:00am

re: #507 steve

Didn't the soldier volunteer to serve? So, someone wants the salary and the college money, but does not want to do the work to earn it all? How.... progressive!

527 Joan  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:36:05am

PIMF

Although, Wweating is kinda cool, conjures both WeeWee and Bleating....

528 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:36:15am

re: #521 Occasional Reader

I wonder what ever happen to the guy that played Buffalo Bill. I don't think I've ever seen him in another movie.

529 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:36:29am

re: #501 MandyManners

He's still married to Amanpour.


He's married to that babe who owns a beer distributorship.

Talk about living the dream...

530 newmelleman  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:36:30am

re: #522 Dustoff-507

? Zoiks!

What if you are blind? Do you get a tax break if you are nearsighted?

531 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:36:37am

re: #516 VegasRick

Christine Imawhore is married to McCain?

I really need to start reading People magazine to keep up with this stuff!

532 ggt  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:36:41am

re: #513 buzzsawmonkey

Frankly, the viewpoint made me too sad to say anything at the time. I have an on-going discussion with this person. I get my point in.

533 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:36:45am

re: #516 VegasRick

Christine Imawhore is married to McCain?

*whack*

James Rubin is still married to Christiane Amanpour.

534 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:36:53am

re: #526 Natasha

Didn't the soldier volunteer to serve? So, someone wants the salary and the college money, but does not want to do the work to earn it all? How.... progressive!

And how prosecutable!

535 realwest  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:36:58am

re: #522 Dustoff-507 Get outta here! Now I know you're kidding cause everyone's view where you live is.........rain!

536 steve  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:36:59am

Sorry: this should have been the link

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Cruds, I should have had my tea first.

537 Dustoff-507  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:37:57am

re: #530 newmelleman


LOL, wow never though about that one.

538 alegrias  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:38:11am

re: #474 buzzsawmonkey

How about a sandwich made of oatmeal spread on waffles?

* * *
If it's not Scots oats, it's not manly! And waffles are still Belgian, where the EU holds international court against us!

(Also am trying to avoid corn & flour products. & Oatmeal is a near perfect food!)

539 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:38:32am

re: #528 Killgore Trout

I wonder what ever happen to the guy that played Buffalo Bill. I don't think I've ever seen him in another movie.

I'm sure I have, although I can't say which. Stand by...

540 ggt  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:38:57am

Well, I have to go Lizards!

Have a great day!

542 Joan  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:39:07am

I better go get some coffee. I'm on the wrong thread, a living non sequiter

WeeWee Olbermann

543 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:39:40am

re: #539 Occasional Reader

I'm sure I have, although I can't say which. Stand by...


Of course! Ted Levine. He's on "Monk". Among other things.

544 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:39:48am

Wiki.

James Philip "Jamie" Rubin (born 1960 in New York City), is a former assistant to President Bill Clinton and a television news journalist and commentator.

Rubin graduated from Columbia University with a B.A. in political science in 1982, and an Master in International Affairs (M.I.A.) in 1984 from the School of International and Public Affairs. Early in his career, he was the Assistant Director of Research at the Arms Control Association [1]. He went on to serve under President Clinton as assistant Secretary of State for Public Affairs and Chief Spokesman for the State Department from 1997 to May 2000. Since leaving government, Rubin has been a Visiting Professor of International Relations at the London School of Economics, a partner at communications consultancy, Brunswick and, in 2002 and 2003, the host of PBS's Wide Angle series, a weekly international affairs program. After serving as chief foreign policy spokesman for General Wesley Clark's presidential campaign, Rubin worked for Democratic nominee John Kerry, serving as a senior advisor for national security affairs. In October 2005, Rubin became lead news anchor on World News Tonight on Sky News. Since July 2006, when Sky News restructured its schedule and cancelled World News Tonight amongst other programmes, Rubin has presented a series of special international affairs programmes, expanding his role as a commentator and analyst.

Rubin has been a member of Hillary Clinton's campaign team for the Democratic Nomination

545 Dustoff-507  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:39:57am

re: #535 realwest


HAHAHAHA, no I'm not kidding buddy. If ya got a view of the ocean. You get taxed for it.

Let's just leave the rain part alone... I've seen WAY to much of it.

PS... we have sun today in the 70's. Ahhhh I fee like I'm back in San Diego.

546 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:40:26am
547 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:40:43am

re: #541 JammieWearingFool

DNA tests exonerate 'Lizard Man' in van attack

It could be a werewolf, then, if the DNA is canine.

548 VegasRick  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:40:45am

re: #533 MandyManners

*whack*

James Rubin is still married to Christiane Amanpour.

Solly. And poor James Rubin.

549 zmdavid  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:40:52am

I learned of the existence of this wiki page over at Babba's site:
Neo-Gramscianism

It seems they don't think it's evil.

550 alegrias  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:41:01am

re: #485 ggt

Don't feel too bad, after all we just paid, it seems anticlimatic.

Remember there was a time with 20% interest was considered usuary. What would people of thought back then when total tax (state, Fed, entitlements) is closer to 50%.


* * *
Weren't those 20% high mortgage & interest rates so Old Carter Presidency! Like Old Mutual, only hideously malaisey, and with more mullahs.

551 steve  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:41:19am

re: #526 Natasha

Didn't the soldier volunteer to serve? So, someone wants the salary and the college money, but does not want to do the work to earn it all? How.... progressive!


Yes but I really did like his quote that the recuiters have been calling him since 10th grade. What a schmuck.

552 Natasha  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:41:26am

re: #518 alegrias

* * *
Many of us are here at this website because one function of our government is to raise armies/military organizations to preserve, protect & defend us from enemies when we can't do so individually.

Al Qaeda and her allies is such an enemy, as are totalitarians everywhere.

That is most definitely a proper function of the government. Unfortunately, along the way, it was also saddled with the duties better performed by a nanny, mommy, daddy, husband, church.

553 opnion  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:41:58am

re: #519 ggt

So gubenor Daley has planned to arm the Chicago Police Gang Units with M-4's --while effectively disarming the law-abiding citizen. Is this going to cause any effect other than to cause the criminal element to move further into the suburbs?

I think I'm going to move the place that is West of the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland, but not Iowa.

Richie Daley is so damned corrupt.
He really needs Obama to win , to get rid of US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald
I know that Barry said that he would keep him, but bank it, he's lying.

554 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:42:51am
555 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:43:03am

re: #547 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

It could be a werewolf, then, if the DNA is canine.

We need to get Mulder and Scully on the case. (Of course, per normal procedure, Mulder will simply get his ass kicked by the Lizardman and/or Werewolf, lose his weapon, lose his backup weapon, and come away with no definitive proof of any kind. He really should be reassigned to bank fraud or something.)

556 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:43:05am

re: #546 buzzsawmonkey

Somebody must have the skinny on him.

The guy played a serial killer who wanted to make a suit out of human skin, and did a "tuck" on screen. It's kinda hard to top that. I doubt if he'll be starring in this year's feel-goog Christmas comedy.

557 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:43:07am
558 Charles  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:43:10am

The person who posted an extremely ugly homophobic link to our spinoffs has been banned, and the link deleted.

I'm not going to allow our links feature to be abused by haters.

559 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:44:03am

re: #543 Occasional Reader

Of course! Ted Levine. He's on "Monk". Among other things.

He was also the bad guy (well, one of them... the even worse guy?) in Heat. Great movie.

560 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:44:06am

re: #555 Occasional Reader

We
need to get Mulder and Scully on the case. (Of course, per normal
procedure, Mulder will simply get his ass kicked by the Lizardman
and/or Werewolf, lose his weapon, lose his backup weapon, and come away
with no definitive proof of any kind. He really should be reassigned to
bank fraud or something.)

Maybe that's the premise of the new X-Files movie out this summer.

561 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:44:26am

re: #558 Charles

It would be nice to have a "report" function for spinoff links.

562 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:44:32am

re: #519 ggt

So gubenor Daley has planned to arm the Chicago Police Gang Units with M-4's --while effectively disarming the law-abiding citizen. Is this going to cause any effect other than to cause the criminal element to move further into the suburbs?

I think I'm going to move the place that is West of the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland, but not Iowa.

I'm not too concerned. My satellite city has been fighting gangs with success for years. Shoot, our police chief came out after a nasty shooting where a father with a kid (on the east side) was killed by gang cross-fire. He responded by upping the patrols, arresting gangbangers, and publically saying we're not going to tolerate these punks (yes, he did call them punks). Since then, it's been pretty quiet.

I think I'll just stay out of Chicago for the most part. Shoot there's really no reason for me to even go to the Loop anymore (Muck Facy*s).

563 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:44:35am
564 Joan  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:45:11am

Oats good, yes, eat Oats.

Don't be like Wee Olbermann, that Turnip.

565 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:45:18am

re: #548 VegasRick

Solly. And poor James Rubin.

And, poor Christiane Amanpour! He's just a moonbattish as she is.

566 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:45:24am

re: #543 Occasional Reader

Of course! Ted Levine. He's on "Monk". Among other things.


He also played Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs.

Really!

I was shocked. What an actor.

567 ggt  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:45:33am

re: #556 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That actor is now on the series "Monk" he plays the Police Detective Inspector. He is a very successful character actor. Of course, I can't remember his name.

568 Dustoff-507  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:45:49am

re: #551 steve

More like a liar.

The part that got me. He said the went to PI in the Army? we haven't been there in years.

569 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:45:52am

re: #559 Occasional Reader

Interesting. I never would have recognized him.

570 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:46:23am

Oats. Noun. What the English feed their horses & the Scots their children.
/Samuel Johnson, A Dictionary of The English Language

571 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:46:37am

re: #567 ggt

That actor is now on the series "Monk" he plays the Police Detective Inspector. He is a very successful character actor. Of course, I can't remember his name.


I love Monk!

572 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:46:40am

re: #566 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

He also played Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs.

Really!

Um... yeah, that was the beginning of this conversation!

573 Natasha  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:46:51am

re: #565 MandyManners

And, poor Christiane Amanpour! He's just a moonbattish as she is.

Aww, Mandy! They're just perfect for each other. They should be displayed in a glass cage: Moonbatus Lefticus Americanus.

574 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:47:15am

re: #569 Killgore Trout

Interesting. I never would have recognized him.

... without the 'tuck'."

575 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:47:21am

re: #572 Occasional Reader

Um... yeah, that was the beginning of this conversation!


Well, I'm sorta coming in on the middle of it.

Howdy!

576 ggt  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:47:23am

re: #553 opnion

ah, things are becoming crystal clear.

I am really leaving now.

577 AmeriDan  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:47:25am

re: #525 AmeriDan

I would offer a quote from the movie to that, but Killgore Trout wants me to "knock it off".

I will abide by Killgore's wishes. I have much respect for Killgore.

re: #495 newmelleman

Careful or you'll short out the talking bra...bro.

Newmelleman said it, not me.

578 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:47:38am

re: #567 ggt

That
actor is now on the series "Monk" he plays the Police Detective
Inspector. He is a very successful character actor. Of course, I can't
remember his name.

The curse of all character actors. I haven't watched Monk, but I've heard good things.

579 zmdavid  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:47:48am

re: #561 Killgore Trout

It would be nice to have a "report" function for spinoff links.

If Charles doesn't implement your suggestion, you can post a comment saying you think the link is objectionable and report the comment.

I did that with a link I thought might be malware once.

580 VegasRick  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:48:08am

re: #561 Killgore Trout

It would be nice to have a "report" function for spinoff links.

Who got the stick?

581 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:48:44am

re: #578 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The curse of all character actors. I haven't watched Monk, but I've heard good things.

You should check out an episode or two. Tony Shaloub is fantastic as Monk.

582 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:48:52am

Heat has arguably one of the best shootout scenes of any movie, ever.

Discuss.

583 marge45b  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:48:59am

What's the party lights on Google today? May 16 is what special day?

584 NoSubmission  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:49:02am

Morning everyone!

Raining cat's n' dogs today. Think I'll skip the UN Nakba Festival Whine-Seethe Fest.

585 alegrias  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:49:33am

re: #570 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Oats. Noun. What the English feed their horses & the Scots their children.
/Samuel Johnson, A Dictionary of The English Language

* * *
That's fantastic!
Guess relying on potatoes wasn't the best strategy for the Irish...

586 steve  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:49:34am

re: #568 Dustoff-507

More like a liar.

The part that got me. He said the went to PI in the Army? we haven't been there in years.

I believe that they all are liars. Should be interesting when the truth comes out about these guys.

587 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:49:41am

re: #582 Occasional Reader

Heat has arguably one of the best shootout scenes of any movie, ever.

Discuss.

I didn't see Heat. Does this make me a bad person ;)

588 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:49:43am

re: #583 marge45b

What's the party lights on Google today? May 16 is what special day?

Word has it, something to do with the invention of the laser.

589 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:49:56am

re: #571 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I love Monk!

Tony Shaloub rocks!

590 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:50:34am

re: #589 MandyManners

Tony Shaloub rocks!

He's perfect for the role.

I should google him.

591 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:50:36am

re: #573 Natasha

Aww, Mandy! They're just perfect for each other. They should be displayed in a glass cage: Moonbatus Lefticus Americanus.

As long as there is a sign "DON'T FEED THE MOONBATS."

592 ggt  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:50:38am

re: #585 alegrias

Mares eat oats, does eat oats . . . .

D@mn, just when I think I'm out --they drag me back in . . .

Ok, I did it by hitting that comment button.

593 marge45b  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:50:51am

Oh thanks, a techie holiday!re: #588 Nevergiveup

594 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:50:54am

re: #587 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I didn't see Heat. Does this make me a bad person ;)

No, that doesn't. Other things do.

:P

In all seriousness, if you like intelligent cops n' robbers flicks, it's excellent.

595 alegrias  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:51:09am

re: #589 MandyManners

Tony Shaloub rocks!

* * *
Wasn't he in a movie about a restaurant with Isabella Rosselini? "Big Night"?

596 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:51:17am

re: #589 MandyManners

Tony Shaloub rocks!

I loved him in Galaxy Quest! "That was a hell of a thing."

597 Natasha  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:51:31am

re: #591 MandyManners

As long as there is a sign "DON'T FEED THE MOONBATS."

"Taunting encouraged in moderation". LOL

598 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:51:54am

re: #590 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

IMDB

Tony Shalhoub spent his early life in Green Bay, Wisconsin. His father emigrated from Lebanon to the United States as an orphan at the age of ten, later marrying Shalhoub's mother, who herself originated from Lebanon. When Tony was just six, he was introduced to the theater, in a school production of "The King and I". He graduated from Green Bay East High, and then graduated with a bachelor's degree in drama from the University of Southern Maine before progressing to the Yale School of Drama, which he left with a Masters in 1980.

599 ggt  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:52:01am

I'm gone.

600 debutaunt  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:52:11am

re: #583 marge45b

What's the party lights on Google today? May 16 is what special day?

Possible word from Osama?

601 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:52:20am

re: #596 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I loved him in Galaxy Quest! "That was a hell of a thing."

He's also great in The Man Who Wasn't There.

602 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:52:40am

re: #592 ggt

Mares eat oats, does eat oats . . . .

D@mn, just when I think I'm out --they drag me back in . . .

Ok, I did it by hitting that comment button.

And, little lambs eat ivy.

603 Dianna  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:52:42am

re: #592 ggt

That kept happening to me last night! I swore I was going to bed, but I'd hit "new comments" and see something I wanted to comment on.

I finally just closed the window before I could reply again.

604 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:52:55am

re: #594 Occasional Reader

No, that doesn't. Other things do.

:P

In all seriousness, if you like intelligent cops n' robbers flicks, it's excellent.


I do like them and so, shall take your advice and add it to my netflix queue.

605 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:53:44am

re: #595 alegrias

* * *
Wasn't he in a movie about a restaurant with Isabella Rosselini? "Big Night"?

I don't know.

606 rawmuse  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:53:46am

Good morning Lizards! Not gonna comment on Gay Marriages, nope, not gonna do it. They have every right to be as miserable as the straights, pay as much taxes, and consort with divorce attorneys if they want to.
Everyone have a great day!

607 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:54:01am

re: #596 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I loved him in Galaxy Quest! "That was a hell of a thing."

Never saw it.

608 MandyManners  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:54:38am

re: #597 Natasha

"Taunting encouraged in moderation". LOL

Shake a copy of National Review at them.

609 Dianna  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:54:39am

Oh, my. New thread, and the title scares me.

I think I shall do some correspondence instead.

610 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:55:19am

re: #579 zmdavid


If Charles doesn't implement your suggestion, you can post a comment saying you think the link is objectionable and report the comment.

I did that with a link I thought might be malware once.


I've reported links the same way before but some people might be shy about doing that way.

611 realwest  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:55:40am

re: #568 Dustoff-507 Uh, what's "PI"?!

612 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:55:50am

re: #607 MandyManners

Never saw it.

A great satire on Star Trek, very funny movie. Tony plays the transporter chief.

613 opinionated  Fri, May 16, 2008 8:57:57am

I think a very interesting piece explaining why Bush's "friendship" for Israel is build on a foundation of sand. Israel and the Arabs, interchangeable.

Bush's blind spot

Let's run that last bit by again. The president says the singular experience of "modern Israel" is one reason for optimism in the Middle East "because what happened here is possible everywhere." The jaw drops. On recovery, I suppose the most direct response to this statement, better suited to a beauty-pageant Pollyanna than a war-scarred president, is: No, Mr. President. What happened in Israel is not possible everywhere. Just for starters, what happened in Israel happened to a people whose monotheism and ethics, as Martin Gilbert writes in "Churchill and the Jews," was, in Churchill's view, "a central factor in the evolution and maintenance of modern civilization" — a central factor in liberty and democracy as the West still knows it.

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

614 Render  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:00:03am

re: #135 slartybartfast

Sorry to drag this out of the depths of the thread but...

The Israeli "Army" of 1948 was actually pretty close to the same size as the five combined "Arab" armies (and their allies) - in terms of sheer mobilized manpower. That's were the comparison begins and ends.

The Israeli underdog part comes from the unquestioned fact that the Israelis had almost no heavy weapons at the start.

Israel had just five tanks or other armored vehicles, a handful of civilian pattern aircraft, and an artillery pool that included one battery Italian 1880's 65mm breech loading mountain guns and a handful of homemade mortars.

All Israeli soldiers were infantry, equipped with a cast off collection of small arms, mostly scavenged from WW2 battlefields and repaired, or stolen from the British Mandate forces.

The Egyptians had Spitfire fighter planes. The Egyptians, Jordanians, Syrians, and Iraqis all had armored units - with real tanks. The Egyptians, Jordanians, and Iraqis also had numerous batteries of British made 25lb (88mm) howitzers, which they used to shell Israeli towns and villages almost constantly.

At one point concentration camp refugees coming straight off the boat, were handed re-conditioned bolt-action Mauser rifles and sent directly into the fighting against Syrian and Lebanese forces who were accompanied, and in some cases led, by ex-Waffen SS soldiers and were armed with French made light tanks.

MISTS
OF
TIME,
R

615 The Other Les  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:02:09am

re: #587 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I didn't see Heat. Does this make me a bad person ;)

No. But you did miss a really neat firefight scene.

616 sparrowlake  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:02:52am
617 venezuela lover  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:25:37am

I hate the UN.
Has anyone seen the trash on this page?
UNWRA Home Page

It has a picture of a well dressed happy young lady holding an infant with these words

I am now a refugee, living the life of a refugee. Once upon a time, though, I was not a refugee. I had a house, a village, and a community. Before anyone remembers that I’m a refugee now, they should remember this. That once, before 1948,my situation was just like theirs is now...

This women must have a house and community where she lives now and above all she was not alive in 1948. People are starving around the planet, people are facing mass murder in Sudan and other areas, earthquakes, and massive storms and the UN spends its time and our money on this false crap!

If Lebanon and other countries would allow those born in their countries to become citizens with full rights, the whole Middle East might see some peace.


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