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Osama Bin Dead for a Long Time

Fri, May 16, 2008 at 9:03:02 am PST

Yep, another audiotape. He’s dead, folks. Has been for a long time. Bin Laden: Palestinian cause fuels war.

This propaganda is intended for the American left, who are already getting more and more open about their hatred of Israel and their desire to appease radical Islamists. It reinforces the message that if they elect Obama and throw Israel to the crocodile, it will eat them last.

CAIRO, Egypt - Osama bin Laden said in a new audio recording released Friday that al-Qaida will continue its holy war against Israel and its allies until it liberates Palestine.

The terrorist leader’s third statement this year came as President Bush was wrapping up his visit to Israel to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the Jewish state.

Bin Laden said the fight for the Palestinian cause was the most important factor driving al-Qaida’s war with the West and fueled 19 Muslims to carry out the suicide attacks against the U.S. on September 11.

“To Western nations ... this speech is to understand the core reason of the war between our civilization and your civilizations. I mean the Palestinian cause,” said bin Laden in the close to 10 minute audiotape.

“The Palestinian cause is the major issue for my (Islamic) nation. It was an important element in fueling me from the beginning and the 19 others with a great motive to fight for those subjected to injustice and the oppressed,” added bin Laden.

UPDATE at 5/16/08 9:09:43 am:

Sure enough, CBS News is promoting the exact line of thinking I described above:

Mr. Bush’s embrace of Israel at a time when the Palestinians were mourning was bound to further harm the tainted U.S. image in the Palestinian areas and across the Arab world.

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1 coquimbojoe  5/16/08 9:05:07 am reply quote 3

But, but, he lives on as long as there is a leftist who believes in him!

2 jcm  5/16/08 9:05:37 am reply quote 0

Doesn't matter.
Bush FAILED to get OBL!
/moonbat

3 Killgore Trout  5/16/08 9:05:40 am reply quote 0
Yep, another audiotape. He’s dead, folks. Has been for a long time.


So do you think these tapes are made by an impersonator?

4 madisonsfriend  5/16/08 9:05:58 am reply quote 0

Between our civilizations and his civilization? He doesn't have one.

5 jcm  5/16/08 9:06:19 am reply quote 0

re: #1 coquimbojoe

But, but, he lives on as long as there is a leftist who believes in him!

St. Osama Bin Laden, patron saint of those that suffer BDS.

6 maddogg  5/16/08 9:06:35 am reply quote 0

I hope he made some buzzard somewhere very happy.

7 Occasional Reader  5/16/08 9:06:41 am reply quote 2
To Western nations ... this speech is to understand the core reason of the war between our civilization and your civilizations. I mean the Palestinian cause

What?! I thought it was our failure to ratify Kyoto. Get your story straight, dead guy.

8 coquimbojoe  5/16/08 9:06:46 am reply quote 0

re: #5 jcm

St. Osama Bin Laden, patron saint of those that suffer BDS.

Its not funny, cause its true....

9 Charles  5/16/08 9:06:51 am reply quote 1

re: #3 Killgore Trout

So do you think these tapes are made by an impersonator?

Some are probably impersonators, and some are probably cut and paste jobs from old audio.

10 DesertSage  5/16/08 9:06:57 am reply quote 1

He's dead, Jim!

11 wordwarp  5/16/08 9:07:02 am reply quote 0

My mom couldn't tell my brother and I apart on the phone.

When these audiotapes first started appearing, there was much speculation that the voice was that of Sa'ad BL, his son, who allegedly sounded like dear old dead dad.

No one speculates or even mentions this anymore, for some reason.

Maybe it's because at the time, the prevailing wisdom was that Sa'ad was safely encamped with his pals in Iran.

12 Alouette  5/16/08 9:07:09 am reply quote 0

He's getting it on with his 72 Adam Gadahns

13 Occasional Reader  5/16/08 9:07:16 am reply quote 0

(Actually, I don't think he's dead.)

14 Sharmuta  5/16/08 9:07:27 am reply quote 1
The Palestinian cause is the major issue for my (Islamic) nation.

Oh! I thought it was the American presence in saudi arabia.....

15 MandyManners  5/16/08 9:07:28 am reply quote 1

Did he make a bunch of tapes in advance on many subjects?

16 jcm  5/16/08 9:07:43 am reply quote 0

re: #12 Alouette

He's getting it on with his 72 Adam Gadahns

Brain Bleach! Brain Bleach! Brain Bleach! Brain Bleach! Brain Bleach!

17 Nevergiveup  5/16/08 9:07:48 am reply quote 0

Yawn!

18 Occasional Reader  5/16/08 9:08:22 am reply quote 0

re: #6 maddogg

I hope he made some buzzard somewhere very happy.

*I* hope even the buzzards spat him out. (Assuming he'd dead.)

19 Natasha  5/16/08 9:08:24 am reply quote 0

re: #6 maddogg

I hope he made some buzzard somewhere very happy.

Nah! Too scrawny.

20 MandyManners  5/16/08 9:08:27 am reply quote 0

re: #11 wordwarp

My mom couldn't tell my brother and I apart on the phone.

When these audiotapes first started appearing, there was much speculation that the voice was that of Sa'ad BL, his son, who allegedly sounded like dear old dead dad.

No one speculates or even mentions this anymore, for some reason.

Maybe it's because at the time, the prevailing wisdom was that Sa'ad was safely encamped with his pals in Iran.

Don't we have tech-gizmos that can tell the difference?

21 mean Gene  5/16/08 9:08:41 am reply quote 0

Have any experts been able to match some of the lines in this to previous audio tapes?
Or is this just another bin Ladin family member mouthing new words in a voice with enough familial resemblance that we're hearing new lines?
Any sign that Chomski's buddy Adam was the writer?
Inquiring minds want to know.

22 madisonsfriend  5/16/08 9:08:42 am reply quote 1

Please remind me of Thailand and Bali's ties to Israel?

23 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  5/16/08 9:09:04 am reply quote 0

re: #12 Alouette

He's getting it on with his 72 Adam Gadahns

So is there any final word on wether or not Adam is really dead?

24 MandyManners  5/16/08 9:09:08 am reply quote 0

re: #19 Natasha

Nah! Too scrawny.

Lotsa' gristle.

25 yesandno  5/16/08 9:09:09 am reply quote 0

Just a splat on the wall of the cave....

The rest is all fabrication.

26 joncelli  5/16/08 9:09:16 am reply quote 0

Or if he isn't dead he's incapacitated in some way that fundamentalist muslims would repudiate him (lost right hand, took one to the family jewels, etc.).

27 Occasional Reader  5/16/08 9:09:55 am reply quote 2

The real question: How does Tony Shalhoub tie in to all this? (See previous thread)

28 OldLineTexan  5/16/08 9:10:02 am reply quote 2

re: #13 Occasional Reader

Until he comes up with a live video and some verifiably on-topic references, I will continue to believe that he is entombed in Tora-Bora.

The jihadis should be able to come up with a recent newspaper from Karachi and a video camera.

29 sattv4u2  5/16/08 9:10:06 am reply quote 2

Dear Osama

Last night, I had a wonderful meal at Ruths' Criss SteakHouse. Salad, Shrimp Cocktail, an amazing steak, loaded baked potato, fresh broccoli. Of course, several wonderful Vodka martinis. Finished the night with a sinful chocolate mousse (my wife opted for the cheesecake ,, amazing!)

After, I went home and watched the game on my HI DEF 45 inch flatscreen TV. Upon retiring to my bedroom I lay down on my kingsized bed with the brand new sleep number mattress

So about you ,,, how was the cave last night ?

Love ,,, me

30 wolfie  5/16/08 9:10:21 am reply quote 0

Dead man talking.
Yet like a dead frog, he can still flip-flop.
At first it was the infidel encroaching on holy Arabian soil.
Then it was the imperialist army in Iraq.
Now it's all about the Joooooooooos.

31 jcm  5/16/08 9:10:31 am reply quote 1

I would venture a guess he made a bunch of tapes exhorting the faithful. This archive would serve as the core of the new releases. Cut and paste relevant portions together, add in an impersonator for topical references.

If OBL were alive he's too egotistical not to rub it in our faces. There would be video with a verifiable current artifact, newspaper etc...

32 Iron Fist  5/16/08 9:10:33 am reply quote 1

re: #3 Killgore Trout,

Or canned tapes made before he croaked. If he weren't dead, how hard would it be to prove? Simply do a video of him holding a copy of today's NYT while he spews his line of bullshit, and you're pretty much there. Talk in specifics. Reach out to Obama (who was nobody in 2001).

There are litterally hundreds of ways that could be done. Yet he does none of them. No, Osama is dead.

33 Charles  5/16/08 9:10:34 am reply quote 5

From CBS News:

Mr. Bush’s embrace of Israel at a time when the Palestinians were mourning was bound to further harm the tainted U.S. image in the Palestinian areas and across the Arab world.

34 Nevergiveup  5/16/08 9:11:05 am reply quote 0

re: #29 sattv4u2

Dear Osama

Last night, I had a wonderful meal at Ruths' Criss SteakHouse. Salad, Shrimp Cocktail, an amazing steak, loaded baked potato, fresh broccoli. Of course, several wonderful Vodka martinis. Finished the night with a sinful chocolate mousse (my wife opted for the cheesecake ,, amazing!)

After, I went home and watched the game on my HI DEF 45 inch flatscreen TV. Upon retiring to my bedroom I lay down on my kingsized bed with the brand new sleep number mattress

So about you ,,, how was the cave last night ?

Love ,,, me

Priceless!

35 Kenneth  5/16/08 9:11:14 am reply quote 0
36 Sharmuta  5/16/08 9:11:20 am reply quote 3
Bin Laden said the fight for the Palestinian cause was the most important factor driving al-Qaida’s war with the West and fueled 19 Muslims to carry out the suicide attacks against the U.S. on September 11.

“The Palestinian cause is the major issue for my (Islamic) nation. It was an important element in fueling me from the beginning and the 19 others with a great motive to fight for those subjected to injustice and the oppressed,” added bin Laden.

I love how the ap has to repeat the talking points, as if once were not enough. Both these paragraphs are pretty much the same. It's like the ap thinks they have to hit us over the head to get it.

And here's a clue for the ap- it's not the palestinians- it's the islam.

37 Kosh's Shadow  5/16/08 9:11:35 am reply quote 0
It reinforces the message that if they elect Obama and throw Israel to the crocodile, it will eat them last.

I think a lot of leftists would enjoy seeing the crocodile eat Israel even if they knew they were next.

Obama/Osama '08!

38 MandyManners  5/16/08 9:11:36 am reply quote 0

re: #33 Charles

From CBS News:

Mr. Bush’s embrace of Israel at a time when the Palestinians were mourning was bound to further harm the tainted U.S. image in the Palestinian areas and across the Arab world.

AAAIIIYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

39 Occasional Reader  5/16/08 9:11:37 am reply quote 0

re: #28 OldLineTexan

I will continue to believe that he is entombed in Tora-Bora

Oh, I think it's pretty clear he survived Tora Bora. Recall his (pretty well-verified) endorsement of John Kerry in October 2004.

40 NoSubmission  5/16/08 9:11:43 am reply quote 3

Oh please. They'll still be releasing audio tapes of this dead man 100 years from now.

41 Charles  5/16/08 9:12:03 am reply quote 3

The CIA identifies his voice on the audiotape every time because it's a much smarter policy to leave it an open question.

42 maddogg  5/16/08 9:12:04 am reply quote 0

If the son of a cur could make video tapes, he would be making video tapes. He's dead or incapacitated.

43 MandyManners  5/16/08 9:12:36 am reply quote 3

re: #33 Charles

From CBS News:

The mask has not slipped. It's been tossed into the dumpster.

44 Occasional Reader  5/16/08 9:12:40 am reply quote 0

re: #35 Kenneth

4 wounded as Iranian convoy hit by gunfire in Baghdad

Blow-back is a bitch.

And just why the F**K are we even allowing Iranian convoys into Iraq?! Sheesh.

45 MandyManners  5/16/08 9:12:59 am reply quote 0

re: #41 Charles

The CIA identifies his voice on the audiotape every time because it's a much smarter policy to leave it an open question.

Why?

46 tonysdca  5/16/08 9:13:09 am reply quote 0

re: #9 Charles

On one hand, I'd say we (the US) should devote some talent to studying and analyzing these tapes in order to disprove their veracity. On the other hand, the bias inherent in any audience to which we would make a presentation of the results would probably make such an effort futile.

48 pat  5/16/08 9:13:54 am reply quote 1

This guy talks more than Casper.

49 Nevergiveup  5/16/08 9:13:57 am reply quote 0

re: #33 Charles

From CBS News:

And I wonder why the Palestinians chose that day to celebrate their "Nakba". I guess just a coincidence?

50 Occasional Reader  5/16/08 9:14:06 am reply quote 1

re: #47 Kenneth

I'm sorry... who said that, Osama or Obama?

Obama. Osama made the "open sore" quote. No... wait... I'm so confused...

51 rawmuse  5/16/08 9:14:15 am reply quote 7

This is the year 2008. You can get those little Flipcams for a hundred bucks. If the dude was alive, we would be swamped with vids. Audio tapes are not proof of anything, unless you are a moron, a Democrat or a Journalist.

52 maddogg  5/16/08 9:14:18 am reply quote 2

re: #44 Occasional Reader

And just why the F**K are we even allowing Iranian convoys into Iraq?! Sheesh.

Target practice.

53 The Other Les  5/16/08 9:14:27 am reply quote 1

re: #33 Charles

I won't even bother to watch the Evening News.

54 lawhawk  5/16/08 9:14:29 am reply quote 0

The biggest laugh from the video, however, is that Osama seems to think that Israel gets too much positive press. Apparently, he's not getting CNN and MSNBC and WaPo and CBS in his cave... (or on the 9th plane of hell)

55 formercorpsman  5/16/08 9:14:50 am reply quote 0

re: #31 jcm

I would think this must at least have been planned.

The one thing that can't be denied, for such a antiquated military model, they have used modern capability to their advantage.

I would think there would be enough forethought to at least have some propaganda in the vault in the event of needing a plan B.

56 Pastorius  5/16/08 9:14:50 am reply quote 0

What are the Palestinians "mourning" about?

Are they referring to the Naqba?

57 VegasRick  5/16/08 9:15:03 am reply quote 1

re: #33 Charles

From CBS News:

See BS.

58 funkyfantom  5/16/08 9:15:11 am reply quote 2

Interesting news item that ties into the theme : the biggest "buzz-generating" film at the Cannes Film Festival is 'Waltz for Bashir", an animated film made by an Israeli that deals with the Sabra and Shatila massacres in Lebanon 1982.

For those who don't recall, Christian Lebanese Arabs killed PLO (in retaliation for PLO massacres of Christian Arabs, but that part is conveniently ignored universally) , and the world put all the blame on Israel, which had military control of the area.

Logically, a career-oriented, non-patriotic Israeli filmmaker might cynically reason that europe would ignore any film that failed to put Israel into a bad light, so he chose his theme well.

For example, you wouldn't want to submit to Cannes any kind of film that dealt with, say, Israeli ( or American ) soldiers who were crippled as a result of wounds inflicted by terrorists in Lebanon ( or Iraq ) where the rules of engagement forced them to endanger their own safety in order to give an extra margin of safety to "civilians" who may or may not be armed terrorists.

59 Kenneth  5/16/08 9:15:13 am reply quote 0

re: #44 Occasional Reader

It was a convoy of cars from the Iranian embassy. Iraq & Iran have diplomatic relations.

60 buzzsawmonkey  5/16/08 9:15:25 am reply quote 0

re: #3 Killgore Trout

So do you think these tapes are made by an impersonator?

The idea of a festival of Osama impersonators is...unnerving.

But why should they not have been made by an impersonator?

61 madisonsfriend  5/16/08 9:15:33 am reply quote 3

re: #38 MandyManners

AAAIIIYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Yeah, well, I celebrated Israel's birthday. How about Palis celebrating on 9/11 as we mourned? F them and F the arab world.

62 gymnast  5/16/08 9:15:45 am reply quote 0

re: #36 Sharmuta

I love how the ap has to repeat the talking points, as if once were not enough. Both these paragraphs are pretty much the same. It's like the ap thinks they have to hit us over the head to get it.

And here's a clue for the ap- it's not the palestinians- it's the islam.

Standard propaganda technique designed to influence the ignorant masses. CBS, AP, etc are more propaganda outlets and less news with each passing day.

63 Killgore Trout  5/16/08 9:16:03 am reply quote 0

re: #32 Iron Fist

Yeah, it would be so easy for them to provide proof of life. It just doesn't make sense to only release these audio tapes.

64 buzzsawmonkey  5/16/08 9:16:18 am reply quote 3

Gort...Osama taqqiya Nakba.

65 Dianna  5/16/08 9:16:20 am reply quote 0

re: #33 Charles

That is pure editorializing! Shame on them!

66 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  5/16/08 9:16:24 am reply quote 2

Whether OBL is alive or dead is irrelevant at this point. His effectiveness since 9/11 had been zero. If he were proven to be dead, he would simply be another martyr to them. Alive, he is a coward bravely hiding from the entire world for the last 6+ years.

Any attack harming Al Qaeda is a hit against him. Keep dismantling his organization and supporters and taking the fight to them. Braves speaches have a hollow ring when your forces are routinely annihilated by a superior opponent.

67 The Other Les  5/16/08 9:16:34 am reply quote 0

re: #51 rawmuse

This is the year 2008. You can get those little Flipcams for a hundred bucks. If the dude was alive, we would be swamped with vids. Audio tapes are not proof of anything, unless you are a moron, a Democrat or a Journalist.

I dream of some day using the line, "dumber than a Democrat." in a written work of fiction.

68 billhedrick  5/16/08 9:16:35 am reply quote 0

re: #41 Charles

The CIA identifies his voice on the audiotape every time because it's a much smarter policy to leave it an open question.

well, to put a fine point on it, the CIA confirms it's the same person that has been doing the tapes, whether that was ever OBL is another issue.

69 Kenneth  5/16/08 9:16:54 am reply quote 4

re: #51 rawmuse

...unless you are a moron, a Democrat or a Journalist.

... but you repeat yourself.

70 Pastorius  5/16/08 9:16:58 am reply quote 7

God damn it. I fucking read the CBS story, and that's exactly what those fucks are referring to.

The Palestinians are "mourning" the creation of the Jewish state, and CBS news acts as if that is a mourning which is to be respected.

What the fuck is wrong with our world?

71 pat  5/16/08 9:16:59 am reply quote 1

re: #28 OldLineTexan

Until he comes up with a live video and some verifiably on-topic references, I will continue to believe that he is entombed in Tora-Bora.

The jihadis should be able to come up with a recent newspaper from Karachi and a video camera.

Nah. Remember the pot party where he claimed credit and then giggled about the hijackers not knowing their fate? He died in some cave or mud hut, being attended to by the accomplished "Dr" Z.

72 pat  5/16/08 9:17:39 am reply quote 1

re: #51 rawmuse

or the CIA

73 MandyManners  5/16/08 9:17:43 am reply quote 0

re: #49 Nevergiveup

And I wonder why the Palestinians chose that day to celebrate their "Nakba". I guess just a coincidence?

I wanna' know who's directing all this propaganda.

74 TallTexan  5/16/08 9:18:00 am reply quote 0

Ok LGF-ers, OBL or Jimi Hendrix -- who has more recording on the market since they died?

75 Iron Fist  5/16/08 9:18:12 am reply quote 0

re: #65 Dianna,

They wouldn't want you to mistake whose side they are on, now would they?

76 MandyManners  5/16/08 9:18:18 am reply quote 0

re: #61 madisonsfriend

Yeah, well, I celebrated Israel's birthday. How about Palis celebrating on 9/11 as we mourned? F them and F the arab world.

Sauce for the goose....

77 coquimbojoe  5/16/08 9:18:24 am reply quote 0

re: #74 TallTexan

Ok LGF-ers, OBL or Jimi Hendrix -- who has more recording on the market since they died?

Tupac

78 Pastorius  5/16/08 9:18:47 am reply quote 2

Charles,

You have to comment on the fact that this "mourning" is the Naqba. The Palestinians declared their Naqba "mourning" festival to be the day which celebrates Israel's birth.

There is no way for Bush to honor Israel's birth without it being on the day of Palestinian "mourning."

CBS News is beyond disgusting.

79 wordwarp  5/16/08 9:19:01 am reply quote 0

re: #24 MandyManners

Charles beat me to it in #41, but basically, there is no advantage to us declaring OBL dead, even though he probably has been dead since 12/10/01.

The LEFT was convinced that the only videotape of him that has appeared since he was reportedly daisy-cuttered to death after someone matching his description was spotted talking on a satellite phone outside a cave in Tora Bora, was a fraud, a body double.

Perhaps not by coincidence, one man in Waziristan has now been arrested four times because he's a dead ringer for OBL.

80 MandyManners  5/16/08 9:19:08 am reply quote 1

re: #70 Pastorius

God damn it. I fucking read the CBS story, and that's exactly what those fucks are referring to.

The Palestinians are "mourning" the creation of the Jewish state, and CBS news acts as if that is a mourning which is to be respected.

What the fuck is wrong with our world?

Don't hold back, darlin'.

81 jcm  5/16/08 9:19:14 am reply quote 2

Just postulating.

US intelligence services locate a high value target. Since he is a fairly isolated local they decide to leave him be. However they can monitor who comes and goes, and intercept the messengers and messages.

While offing the high value target is satisfying, and in some cases a better option. I can easily envision a scenario where knowing where a target is and observing is much more valuable in both tactical and strategic planning.

I think he is now dead, but wonder if part of the success in prevent a major AQ operation might be related to very good intel. The kind we'll read about 50 years from now.

82 wolfie  5/16/08 9:19:19 am reply quote 0

re: #33 Charles

From CBS News:

I am speechless. This one.....I had to look again. CBS. Not the Nation. CBS.
This literally brings tears to my eyes.
This is just horrible.

83 kenashimame  5/16/08 9:19:38 am reply quote 3
It reinforces the message that if they elect Obama and throw Israel to the wolves, the crocodile will eat them last.

I love the smell of a mixed metaphor in the morning. : )

(Though its been changed, That makes me Sad
/Bad Idea Bear)

84 Pastorius  5/16/08 9:19:40 am reply quote 0

#74
Tupac Shakur.

85 jamgarr  5/16/08 9:19:45 am reply quote 0

re: #64 buzzsawmonkey

Gort...Osama taqqiya Nakba.

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

86 lawhawk  5/16/08 9:19:51 am reply quote 0

re: #58 funkyfantom

Sean Penn is the jury president of the Cannes film festival, so you choose accordingly.

87 formercorpsman  5/16/08 9:20:00 am reply quote 1

re: #73 MandyManners

I wanna' know who's directing all this propaganda.

It is pretty amazing when you consider the gravity of CBS actually reporting that.

It is full on collaboration with murderers.

88 David Simon  5/16/08 9:20:08 am reply quote 2
Bin Laden said the fight for the Palestinian cause was the most important factor driving al-Qaida’s war with the West and fueled 19 Muslims to carry out the suicide attacks against the U.S. on September 11.

That's not what he said before the attacks. But I wouldn't expect AP to point that out.

The son of a Saudi Arabian businessman, bin Laden has called for a Muslim jihad, or holy war, against the United States. He has encouraged Muslims to kill all the Americans -- civilian or military -- they can.

His rage stems from the decision by Saudi Arabia to allow the United States to use the country as a staging area for attacks on Iraqi forces in Kuwait and Iraq. After the victory, the U.S. military presence became permanent.

To fundamentalists like bin Laden, the U.S. presence is anathema because Saudi Arabia is home to "the two most holy places" in Islam -- Mecca and Medina. Mecca is the birthplace of Mohammed and the location of the Great Mosque of Mecca, considered by Muslims to be the most sacred spot on Earth.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

89 MandyManners  5/16/08 9:20:15 am reply quote 0

re: #79 wordwarp

Charles beat me to it in #41, but basically, there is no advantage to us declaring OBL dead, even though he probably has been dead since 12/10/01.

The LEFT was convinced that the only videotape of him that has appeared since he was reportedly daisy-cuttered to death after someone matching his description was spotted talking on a satellite phone outside a cave in Tora Bora, was a fraud, a body double.

Perhaps not by coincidence, one man in Waziristan has now been arrested four times because he's a dead ringer for OBL.

Poor guy.

Seriously, what is the advantage to us in keeping his death a secret?

90 Killgore Trout  5/16/08 9:20:24 am reply quote 3

OT: Brussels Journal....
Nonviolent Fascism, Violent Anti-Fascism

This combination of national pride, rightist politics, language purity and racially tinged opposition to big-city mores and immigration is a classic formula these days in modern Europe, a kind of nonviolent fascism.
....
Leaders of the far-right Sweden Democrats live under constant threat of violence, according to new report from the Swedish security service Säpo. Säpo reports that it receives an average of 4.5 reports per month of cases of threats made to Sweden's district and county councillors. The threats are systematic, often involve violence, and come from autonomous groups across Sweden.


They've also restored the BNP link.

91 Iron Fist  5/16/08 9:20:37 am reply quote 0

re: #67 The Other Les,

Stephen King beat you to it. It's in the Stand. Specifically dumber than a New York Democrat, IIRC.

92 The Other Les  5/16/08 9:20:47 am reply quote 0

re: #74 TallTexan

Ok LGF-ers, OBL or Jimi Hendrix -- who has more recording on the market since they died?

Isn't it some West Coast rapper whose name I don't because I really don't care about the subject?

93 rawmuse  5/16/08 9:20:48 am reply quote 0

re: #70 Pastorius


What the fuck is wrong with our world?

Democrats, morons and Islam. Take your pick.

94 jcm  5/16/08 9:20:51 am reply quote 0

re: #67 The Other Les

I dream of some day using the line, "dumber than a Democrat." in a written work of fiction.

Something very close.

95 chinesearithmetic  5/16/08 9:20:54 am reply quote 0

the tainted U.S. image in the Palestinian areas

Taint's necessarily so.

96 gymnast  5/16/08 9:20:58 am reply quote 0

Until Bin Ladin is proved "scientifically dead", with repeatable reliable results the world will have to be content with him being "just dead", kind of like a "runned over possum dead".

97 Pastorius  5/16/08 9:21:00 am reply quote 0

#80 Mandy,
There ought to be no holding back on that. That is among the most disgusting displays of "journalism" I have ever seen.

98 Alouette  5/16/08 9:21:01 am reply quote 0

re: #89 MandyManners

Poor guy.

Seriously, what is the advantage to us in keeping his death a secret?

He can't be declared a "holy martyr"

99 Kenneth  5/16/08 9:21:29 am reply quote 2

re: #70 Pastorius

Isaiah 5:20

Woe to those who call evil good
and good evil,
who put darkness for light
and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
and sweet for bitter.
100 opnion  5/16/08 9:21:35 am reply quote 0

re: #9 Charles

Some are probably impersonators, and some are probably cut and paste jobs from old audio.

Yup, he's dead. If he were still alive he would make some current references & there probably would be video. He used to love to taunt us & wave that bony finger.

101 Sharmuta  5/16/08 9:21:59 am reply quote 1

re: #90 Killgore Trout

Non-violent fascism. Well, that makes it okay!

/they'll stop at nothing to validate their friends.

102 MandyManners  5/16/08 9:22:02 am reply quote 0

re: #87 formercorpsman

It is pretty amazing when you consider the gravity of CBS actually reporting that.

It is full on collaboration with murderers.

But, who is coordinating it? It's not an ad-hoc situation.

Has Soros hired someone?

103 jcm  5/16/08 9:22:32 am reply quote 0

Caliphate
Broadcasting
Service

104 formercorpsman  5/16/08 9:22:42 am reply quote 0

re: #81 jcm

I have often thought this way jcm.

In the big scheme of things, getting Osama would be an excellent victory, but it does not eradicate the problem.

It is very plausible to think that we have not acted on targets because of other conditions in the pipeline.

Doing such can reveal your cards 7-8 plays down the deck.

105 Pastorius  5/16/08 9:22:52 am reply quote 8

Let's get this straight:

CBS News is intimating that Bush ought not participate, with Israeli officials, in a celebration of Israel's statehood, out of respect for Palestinian hatred of Jews.

106 MandyManners  5/16/08 9:22:56 am reply quote 0

re: #97 Pastorius

#80 Mandy,
There ought to be no holding back on that. That is among the most disgusting displays of "journalism" I have ever seen.

As Charles says, they keep on digging.

107 buzzsawmonkey  5/16/08 9:22:57 am reply quote 4

I wouldn't worry about whether he's dead or not. If Obama wins the election, he will make OJ the special envoy to find the real Osama.

108 The Other Les  5/16/08 9:22:59 am reply quote 0

re: #91 Iron Fist

,

Stephen King beat you to it. It's in the Stand. Specifically dumber than a New York Democrat, IIRC.

Okay. so it works.

109 Athos  5/16/08 9:23:16 am reply quote 0

re: #66 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Whether OBL is alive or dead is irrelevant at this point. His effectiveness since 9/11 had been zero. If he were proven to be dead, he would simply be another martyr to them. Alive, he is a coward bravely hiding from the entire world for the last 6+ years.

Any attack harming Al Qaeda is a hit against him. Keep dismantling his organization and supporters and taking the fight to them. Braves speaches have a hollow ring when your forces are routinely annihilated by a superior opponent.

The overall strategy and approach needs to be followed. The issue is not just al-Qaeda. If al-Qaeda disappears entirely, the islamofascist movement will continue using other groups that are following this direction, new groups following this direction, and with the same old state sponsors and enablers (less 2).

The latter part is what the left and Obama (who is now wearing a flag pin as he addresses the Bush 'attack' on his strategy) do not get. Talking and negotiating with groups or nations that do not seek to talk or negotiate unless it is the terms of our surrender accomplishes nothing.

Obama's 'outrage' on this...is yet another big mistake by the left.

110 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  5/16/08 9:23:30 am reply quote 0

re: #105 Pastorius

Let's get this straight:

CBS News is intimating that Bush ought not participate, with Israeli officials, in a celebration of Israel's statehood, out of respect for Palestinian hatred of Jews.

Thats it in a nutshell, yeah

111 galloping granny  5/16/08 9:23:38 am reply quote 0

OBama is on Fox, giving a speech in South Dakota and went right straight into telling Bush what Presidents don't do. And now he is going after John McCain!

112 maddogg  5/16/08 9:23:39 am reply quote 0

re: #81 jcm

Just postulating.

US intelligence services locate a high value target. Since he is a fairly isolated local they decide to leave him be. However they can monitor who comes and goes, and intercept the messengers and messages.

While offing the high value target is satisfying, and in some cases a better option. I can easily envision a scenario where knowing where a target is and observing is much more valuable in both tactical and strategic planning.

I think he is now dead, but wonder if part of the success in prevent a major AQ operation might be related to very good intel. The kind we'll read about 50 years from now.


You must be a lot younger than I am.

113 MandyManners  5/16/08 9:23:42 am reply quote 0

re: #98 Alouette

He can't be declared a "holy martyr"

I just now wanted to ask if it wouldn't demoralize the cause but, Islam is the Religion of Opposites.

114 Kenneth  5/16/08 9:23:51 am reply quote 0

re: #105 Pastorius

That's it exactly!

115 Maximu§  5/16/08 9:23:58 am reply quote 0

By MAGGIE MICHAEL, Associated Press Writer

Hmmmm, I picture little Maggie Michael as a clipped-Haired Man Hater, who majored in journalism at Harvard or Princeton with a minor in Political Science, Economic justice and Multiculturalism.

I'm sure her parents are proud of the little Monster they raised....

116 alegrias  5/16/08 9:24:00 am reply quote 0

re: #39 Occasional Reader

Oh, I think it's pretty clear he survived Tora Bora. Recall his (pretty well-verified) endorsement of John Kerry in October 2004.

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He's got a new candidate to support this year.