My hometown paper so much to be proud of!

*hurl*

Charles, we really are in The Twilight Zone.

Of course the city and state are pro- Obama. Deep Sigh.

Ein Volk! Ein Reich! Ein Obama!

WTF? "We live in an era when you do not change national borders for these sorts of reasons. But in 1938 it was different. Germany’s eastern and western borders had been redrawn 19 years before—and not to its benefit."

You start a war, lose the war, you lose your ass. Lucky for them, they were not disbanded. Spoils of war & all that.

When the British let Hitler have a slice of Czechoslovakia, they were following their historical wisdom: avoid war.

...and that worked out just fine, eh?
/

There is hardly a hing of sanity left in the camp of the Left.

re: #3 LEGION

Of course the city and state are pro- Obama. Deep Sigh.

At least the blue areas. My brother's awful lonely up there.

hing = hint

I really should PIMB

I hope heil regret those words when the drugs wear off.

Good lord!

One friend of mine has always held that had Hitler stopped with Austria he'd have been rather better thought of.

I have always looked at him rather blankly, thinking that it misses the point.

I guess the writer considers the extermination of all Jews reasonable then.

Chamberlains in da' house

I think the Obama campaign has found a real winner with this whole "rehabilitate appeasement" approach.

Keep it up!

You are the ones I've been waiting for.

This is where moonbattery leads.

Take a close look.

Seattle's own Jim "Baghdad" McDimwitt (superdelegate) tosses support to the Obamessiah.

Seattle a great town....
to be from.

re: #5 Squirrelguy

WTF? "We live in an era when you do not change national borders for these sorts of reasons. But in 1938 it was different. Germany’s eastern and western borders had been redrawn 19 years before—and not to its benefit."

You start a war, lose the war, you lose your ass. Lucky for them, they were not disbanded. Spoils of war & all that.

And the same for Israel! They were attacked, they won territory, they get to KEEP it!

In that case, I hearby announce my plans to annex Seattle as part of the ancestral lands of Kragaristan.

Bruce Ramsey is wrong, because he knows well what those demands were leading to.

Many countries believe they should have authority over others for various reasons (economic hegomony, imperialism, and so forth). And much of the time, contrary to what Ramsey is saying, it is unreasonable.

Twisted.

/yes, I am being kind

With supporters like this Ramsey tool, who needs detractors?

It is truly amazing, it really is.

Think about this.

One of the favorite political tactics has been to paint your opponents positions as reclaiming the second coming of Hitler.

The Nazi epithet is more pungent during a democratic campaign than a french whorehouse.

They now have completed the circle.

It has come down to defending Hitler.

The Nazis wouldn't have stopped anyway. They wanted more lebensraum..
Why do the moonbats here have to embarrass us so often?

Here is a reasonable man. He was right.

Man, how crazy are we in this country?

Doesn't anyone open a history book anymore?

re: #17 LEGION

And the same for Israel! They were attacked, they won territory, they get to KEEP it!

AMEN! That's the way it was in most of all recorded history.
To the victor goes the spoils.

Not to self: Always remember, Pillage, Plunder, THEN Burn!

Hmmm... Defending B. Hussein is tantamount to defending Hitler.

Am I reading that right?

re: #12 X-ray

Well, he doesn't say that. And he's trying to isolate Hitler's initial demands from what he did after that. But we have history to learn from, so that's why he's pretty wrong to look back and to say it was "not unreasonable."

Welcome to America - logic, common sense and reason not required.

re: #24 Ojoe

Here is a reasonable man. He was right.

Man, how crazy are we in this country?

Doesn't anyone open a history book anymore?

No.

They watch the History Channel for the groovy uniforms.

re: #22 formercorpsman

It is truly amazing, it really is.

Think about this.

One of the favorite political tactics has been to paint your opponents positions as reclaiming the second coming of Hitler.

The Nazi epithet is more pungent during a democratic campaign than a french whorehouse.

Well, at least you can have fun in a fwench whorehouse.

Unfuckingbelievable.
Oh, wait............
Seattle..................
MSM.................
Never mind.
Viva Aztlan!

Notice to the Seattle Times:
Fourteen Day Notice to Quit

Some of my relatives once owned the land on which your newspaper office sits. I demand that it is forthwith returned to the control of my people, along with all the rest of the contiguous 48 states save the sole exception of Manhattan, which you legally paid for.

That is "reasonable" isn't it? Just like Hitler was "only being reasonable."

re: #24 Ojoe

Some of our fellow countrypersons live in fantasy land. Nothing bad has ever happened unless it was the United States' fault.

"Seattle, where people are just too damn weird for California." Glenn Beck

re: #29 buzzsawmonkey

They should read "The Gathering Storm".

This idiot is just another of the many reasons I stopped taking the Seattle Times years ago.

Of course, the writer misses the whole point. Bush's point is that appeasement doesn't work. Trying to avoid war at any cost doesn't work. Hitler simply provided another example of that truism. The fact the writer is able to use the Hitler example without recognition of that fact is just further evidence of the willful ignorance of Obama supporters. God help us if the majority of voters share that willful ignorance.

If this sort of foolishness didn't make me laugh so much, I would be crying.

re: #26 song_and_dance_man

Hmmm... Defending B. Hussein is tantamount to defending Hitler.

Am I reading that right?

As in "I could no sooner disown Adolf Hitler as I could a presidential nominee of my country" ?

First the left says Bush is like Hitler and then they say Hitler was reasonable.

With the left you can have it both ways.

Un-effing-believable!
That excuse for a journalist obviously has not the faintest idea of history, except perhaps knowing a few slogans here and there.
To even use 1938s Germany as a comparison for the Palis - oh dear, there is so much wrong with that, I don't know where to start!

The sick thing is these people would rather live on their knees than fight for the right to stand on their feet. They spit in the sacrifice our forebearers made for us by trading away Democracy for "peace". What they don't care to realize is they're slowly placing a noose around their own necks as they cozy up to Islamists. I suppose being Socialists themselves they don't really value liberty, a true democracy, or our Republic in the first place.

What a shame.

we are living in some crazy times.
when chamberlain left that meeting w/ the nazi, waving his copy of the agreement to give away the sudetenland, the nazis laughed at how easily he capitulated and they ridiculed him as a foolish old weakling. he retuned to england promising 'peace in our time' still waving the 'surrender papers.'

re: #38 song_and_dance_man

Did the "left" say this, or was it just this one guy? From Charles' post, it seems to be just this one guy, and I'm not sure he speaks for this "left" that you speak of.

re: #24 Ojoe

Here is a reasonable man. He was right.

Man, how crazy are we in this country?

Doesn't anyone open a history book anymore?

Perhaps, but they have all been rewritten over the last twenty years of so. I search old book stores to find history books for the kiddo that don't claim inanities lile "the muslims invented the lightbulb."

The only good thing to come out of that era was the Volkswagen.

re: #30 Squirrelguy

Yeah, and free penicillin VK as a bonus.

What Hitler was demanding was not unreasonable. He wanted the German-speaking areas of Europe under German authority. He had just annexed Austria, which was German-speaking, without bloodshed.

Oh my.

The editors of most dailies in this country have become ignorant of history.

How could someone, an editor of a major daily paper in the US, actually write and publish this?

.

re: #24 Ojoe

Here is a reasonable man. He was right.

Man, how crazy are we in this country?

Doesn't anyone open a history book anymore?

Only to see who won last year's American Idol.

re: #36 TheTick

This idiot is just another of the many reasons I stopped taking the Seattle Times years ago.

Of course, the writer misses the whole point. Bush's point is that appeasement doesn't work. Trying to avoid war at any cost doesn't work. Hitler simply provided another example of that truism. The fact the writer is able to use the Hitler example without recognition of that fact is just further evidence of the willful ignorance of Obama supporters. God help us if the majority of voters share that willful ignorance.

If this sort of foolishness didn't make me laugh so much, I would be crying.

Yup. Maybe what terrorists want is not unreasonable, in some situations (NOT in the case of Israel, hypothetically here). It is still wrong to give in to bullies, because it encourages them and others to be bullies... or terrorists, etc.

re: #35 Ojoe

They should read "The Gathering Storm".

And many other things.

But people don't read much these days--or if they do, it's not books.

Based on my students, most a) don't read; b) do not know how to think; c) in consequence, have no ability to critically evaluate anything; and d) therefore want pat answers given to them, which they will accept without question.

re: #38 song_and_dance_man

First the left says Bush is like Hitler and then they say Hitler was reasonable.

With the left you can have it both ways.

There you go again...
Trying to apply logic to moonbats.

This looks like it was lifted from StormFront!

re: #38 song_and_dance_man

First the left says Bush is like Hitler and then they say Hitler was reasonable.

With the left you can have it both ways.

they like to have their waffle and eat it too.

re: #46 Dad O' Blondes

As I recall nazi thugs did a lot of murder in Austria before it was annexed ...

re: #52 nyc redneck

they like to have their waffle and eat it too.

Waffle, DRINK!

re: #41 nyc redneck

we are living in some crazy times.
when chamberlain left that meeting w/ the nazi, waving his copy of the agreement to give away the sudetenland, the nazis laughed at how easily he capitulated and they ridiculed him as a foolish old weakling. he retuned to england promising 'peace in our time' still waving the 'surrender papers.'

The thing is, Chamberlain later realized he'd been duped and worked hard with Churchill in defeating the Nazi's. Our left is so stupid they still don't realize they have been tricked. That's what spit for brains will do to you.

re: #42 justiceforall

Did the "left" say this, or was it just this one guy? From Charles' post, it seems to be just this one guy, and I'm not sure he speaks for this "left" that you speak of.

I can imagine the lefty minions nodding their head in approval. Let's see if someone of note on the left criticizes Bruce Ramsey and his cattywompus historical observation.

Global Shit Piles
aka
msm

Well, they speak a lot of Spanish here in New Mexico, and heck, it has "Mexico" in the name. I guess we should open the border, or move it!

re: #52 nyc redneck

they like to have their waffle and eat it too.

they like to have their waffen.....

In 2008, we have entirely forgotten World War I,

I, sir, have NOT forgotten WWI and I'll challenge your knowledge on the subject any day.

I agree Charles...wow

So then - by that logic, are we to assume that if Great Britain decides it wants the USA back, then we should let them have us, to avoid any possibility of war? I think not.

Queue Patrick Henry:

The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable -- and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come!

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, "Peace! Peace!" -- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!

Patrick Henry - March 23, 1775

re: #52 nyc redneck

they like to have their waffle blutwurst and eat it too.

/Deutschland uber alles

So by this logic, its only a matter of time before Mexico decides it is in their best interest to "annex" the southwestern United States.

re: #46 Dad O' Blondes

What Hitler was demanding was not unreasonable. He wanted the German-speaking areas of Europe under German authority. He had just annexed Austria, which was German-speaking, without bloodshed.

Oh my.

The editors of most dailies in this country have become ignorant of history.

How could someone, an editor of a major daily paper in the US, actually write and publish this?

.

How could someone write and publish this? Probably to get attention, even if it is negative, most likely.

re: #38 song_and_dance_man

First the left says Bush is like Hitler and then they say Hitler was reasonable.

With the left you can have it both ways.

Having it both ways sounds so very Californian, in light of recent court news.

Men like this are the reason millions ended up as lampshades and bars of soap

re: #26 song_and_dance_man

Hmmm... Defending B. Hussein is tantamount to defending Hitler.
Am I reading that right?

Defending Hitler is is this case a failed attempt to defend BHO but ends up being tantamount to sticking a shiv in his back, Arab-style.

The world would have been better off had Hitler not been appeased.

In fact, the world would have been better off had he been hit by a targeted assassination, Hamas style.

That shouldn't be too hard to grasp.

What Hitler was demanding was not unreasonable. He wanted the German-speaking areas of Europe under German authority. He had just annexed Austria, which was German-speaking, without bloodshed

I want English-speaking areas of the world under American authority.

I wonder if Ramsey would be so generous when Israelis "redraw" their borders so that they can reasonably defend their nation. No, he probably wants Israel to return to the same non-defensible border that was granted by the UN in 1948 - before 4 vicious attacks by her good neighbors.

I guess if "war is a bad investment - don't give anyone an excuse to start one" means the very existence of Israel is a bad idea to this guy and cretins like him. Only Adolph Hitler gets cut some slack.

Seattle's Dumb as a Post Intelligencer? And you're surprised at this?

Really...

re: #56 song_and_dance_man

I can imagine the lefty minions nodding their head in approval. Let's see if someone of note on the left criticizes Bruce Ramsey and his cattywompus historical observation.

Empty bobblehead moonbats all over Seattle nodding away.

re: #62 Catttt

So then - by that logic, are we to assume that if Great Britain decides it wants the USA back, then we should let them have us, to avoid any possibility of war? I think not.

Queue Patrick Henry:

Sorry, my relatives were here first. The Dutch get Manhattan.

Peace is a state of being,

Not a end-game goal.

re: #66 buzzsawmonkey

Having it both ways sounds so very Californian, in light of recent court news.

It extends to all aspects of the day of their lives.

Is not Osama asking for a part of Spain?

re: #64 yodafunk

They can try. I would object rather strenuously.

re: #41 nyc redneck

we are living in some crazy times.
when chamberlain left that meeting w/ the nazi, waving his copy of the agreement to give away the sudetenland, the nazis laughed at how easily he capitulated and they ridiculed him as a foolish old weakling. he retuned to england promising 'peace in our time' still waving the 'surrender papers.'

What a lot of people even now don't get is that Chamberlain may have acted in 'good faith' - but precisely that good faith was it which enabled Hitler & Co to prepare for war.
You don't just wake up one morning, being the leader of a country, and say, nice day, lets start a war ... there is an enormous amount of preparation for it, taking time.
Chamberlain proved to Hitler's generals that indeed they could prepare for a war which they could win, that there would be no serious opposition, certainly not from Great Britain.

Fools who do not learn from history are forced to repeat it - wouldn't be so bad if it didn't cost so many innocent lives.

re: #77 formercorpsman

Is not Osama asking for a part of Spain?

very reasonable of him

/

re: #70 Globular Cluster

I want English-speaking areas of the world under American authority.

Including all airports/contol towers.

re: #74 galloping granny

Sorry, my relatives were here first. The Dutch get Manhattan.

Sorry, but my mom's relatives were here before the Dutch. :D

re: #24 Ojoe

The history books have been "adjusted".

I just don't see how Obama thinks he's coming out on top of this situation. He's so obviously in the wrong here on every aspect.

re: #82 Catttt

Sorry, but my mom's relatives were here before the Dutch. :D

Vikings?

re: #70 Globular Cluster

Are you sure you want the Falklands?

re: #66 buzzsawmonkey

But this time, it's Seattle.

You have no idea how relieved I am by that.

re: #74 galloping granny

Sorry, my relatives were here first. The Dutch get Manhattan.

Amen. And the mexicans still get kicked back south of the Rio Grande.

So England should control all English-speaking nations?

re: #82 Catttt

Sorry, but my mom's relatives were here before the Dutch. :D

But the bought it legally.

re: #70 Globular Cluster

I want English-speaking areas of the world under American authority.

Would that include Engrish-speaking areas?

Sure just because Austria had always been an independent country before, what could be more reasonable? Why demanding the German speaking regions of Czechoslovakia!

As I recall things went somewhat sour from there....

Oh right! There was a big fricking war, tens of millions of people died including a third of the Jewish people and Europe was in rubble and divided.

What an utter ignoramus! No wonder he is an editor, it is perfect for his core competencies!

re: #66 buzzsawmonkey

Having it both ways sounds so very Californian, in light of recent court news.

Can bi-sexuals get married twice?

I left a comment for the paper, but of course it has to go through an "approval" process so it's properly washed and pressed first.

The appeasers are baaaaack! They ran Europe for most of the time between WWI and WWII. The British and the French sold out Austria and Eastern Europe, and still couldn't avoid war.

So what countries will Obama and the Democrats sell out to preserve "peace in our time"? Any guesses?

And why, exactly, would the entire Democrat Party assume that Bush was referring to them in referring to an historical American appeaser in Israel?

re: #53 Ojoe

Yup. Including the head of state (himself a quasi-Fascist).

Excellent! With friends like this, Obama may well be able to lose to Sleepy John, after all.

re: #74 galloping granny

Sorry, my relatives were here first. The Dutch get Manhattan.

Sorry, most of you are all speaking Romance languages and those lands were once under the Roman Empire. We Italians get it all back with interest.

re: #82 Catttt

Sorry, but my mom's relatives were here before the Dutch. :D

Yes, but your Mom's relatives legally sold Manhattan for $28 worth of beads and trinkets :)

re: #94 AMER1CAN

I left a comment for the paper, but of course it has to go through an "approval" process so it's properly washed and pressed first.

The way I feel about those approval processes is at least someone reads it.

Fine. Let's take this idiot's example and apply it to another situation.

It's not unreasonable for Israel to annex and incorporate the West Bank, and Golan and Jerusalem into its country. After all, they share an undeniable historical, political, and Jewish bond that stretches back more than 2000 years. Anything less would be unconscionable.

After all, we live in an era when you do not change national borders for these sorts of reasons, which is exactly what the Palestinians hope to do.

I somehow suspect that this guy wouldn't support that kind of application.

re: #78 Dianna

I say we make the ultimate sacrifice and give them California.

The AP, CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS, The New York Times, the L.A. Times, the New Republic, the MSMBC Overbite, on and on, they all know Lt. Kerry is a liar and a fraud, they can read, they can repeat the research, they did see the facts, they know they lied about all of it,
yet, still.

They deny the facts, in the face of the truth they know themselves.Now they claim they know another thing, but,
do they produce one fact, one real rebuttal, one real Purple Heart,
one true thing he said to the Senate Committee, no, why.

The level and depth of lies they tell themselves is so deep and so
mind robbing they can see no truth at all, blind to any and all truth,
and it is not just how it happen, they willed it to happen, they lust
for the lies to live, the lies are their lives, without the lies all is dead to them.

so say tfk

re: #86 justiceforall

Why not? That way, we can secure the wool supply.

/

'But the Palestinians who fight Israel do have a just claim to territory. We can argue what it is; we can argue about the justness of their military tactics, and so on.'

. An appeaser and an apologist for terrorist mass murder all wrapped up in one Hussein supporter.

re: #101 lawhawk

Fine. Let's take this idiot's example and apply it to another situation.

It's not unreasonable for Israel to annex and incorporate the West Bank, and Golan and Jerusalem into its country. After all, they share an undeniable historical, political, and Jewish bond that stretches back more than 2000 years. Anything less would be unconscionable.

After all, we live in an era when you do not change national borders for these sorts of reasons, which is exactly what the Palestinians hope to do.

I somehow suspect that this guy wouldn't support that kind of application.

Dont forget Jordan and Syria

Unfortunately this passes for intelligent discussion on the left. But, then again, Hitler was a leftist, so his thinking makes sense to them.

re: #102 yodafunk

I say we make the ultimate sacrifice and give them California.

As a Californian, piss up a rope.

Need a new leader to restore
our former glory and get the world to like us
Where, oh, where is he?
Where could that man be?
We looked around and then we found
The man for you and me

Springtime for Obama

Don't be stupid, be a smarty, come and join the change party!

re: #89 Salem

So England should control all English-speaking nations?

Definitely!
We did it once, after all: have the experience, see :-))

Bad craziness.

re: #22 formercorpsman

"It has come down to defending Hitler."

And logically so .. considering their goals are synchronistic.

re: #66 buzzsawmonkey

Having it both ways sounds so very Californian, in light of recent court news.

Same sex marriage is the logical precursor to legal polygamy. It's the next step in the slippery slope to adopting the failed traditions of Islam.

I love to have seen these leftists have the balls to protest in Nazi Germany as they do now, with their "No blood for Austria" signs. Besides, if Bush really does equal Hitler then wouldent this guy be in a work camp (if he's lucky).

re: #93 sparrowlake

Can bi-sexuals get married twice?

Why the hell not?

re: #102 yodafunk

I was born in California, and I own property in California.

There is no way I am giving California away.

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ok, San Fransisco and Berkley then?

Sudetenland was part of Austria, not Germany.

And should Germany "return" territory near the Danish border that had a Danish majority? (And should the US give Laredo to Mexico because it now has a Mexican majority?)

And it just wasn't about German-speaking areas. The Sudetenland was a ring of thick mountains, highly defensible against Hitler's new army. Blitzkrieg wouldn't work there.

Once Germany occupied the Sudetenland, the Bohemian plain was open, defenseless, and completely surrounded by German troops. The Czechs had no choice but to surrender.

This guy's an idiot.

Sometimes I wish Stinky had jurisdiction over the whole dad gum internet.

WHAT A DOUCHE! I love these debased morons who try to spew historical truth when in reality they have not clue one about what they are talking about. SO according to his "wisdom" England should get Ireland becuase they "speak english", oh and Canada, WATCH OUT! You speak English and so does the US, I guess that means we get to annex you. Once we attempt to annex you i fully expect every Euro-liberal to fully defend our demands, which are actually quite reasonable!

But lets get down to the nitty-gritty of history --
#1 Hitler attacked POLAND, he knew it meant war, Britain did NOT attack Germany first.
#2 Poland last time i checked has, um, poles? NOT Germans.
#3 Germany also invaded DENMARK, NORWAY, HOLLAND and Belgium.
NONE of these countries were "allies" of england they were neutral. Hitler just wanted them. But that's OK because Hitler's demands were REASONABLE! LOL!
#4 Germany also invaded Russia! I meniton this becuase unlike those other countries Russia was actually ALLIED with Germany in a non-aggression pact. Though they were not obliged to join forces with Germany if attacked they both carved up Poland and Russia supplied Hitler with millions of tonnes of war material. Yet hitler still attacked them. Why? The German "volk" needed living space. But that's ok becuase Hitlers demands were reasonable!

re: #95 quickjustice

The appeasers are baaraaack!
Fixed it.

re: #101 lawhawk

Were there Jews living in what we now call the West Bank and Gaza before Zionists started settling in what was, I'm pretty sure, was British-controled Palestine? Seriously, do you know?