Oh, please!

Chavez has some splaining to do in regards to his ties to FARC - INTERPOL says the documents found by Colombia are the real deal.

This is your dictator on drugs.

During a summit in Chile late last year, Spain's king told the socialist leader to "shut [the hell] up."

re: #2 kevinmumaw

Chavez has some splaining to do in regards to his ties to FARC - INTERPOL says the documents found by Colombia are the real deal.

FARC him!

'Sorry if I'd been harsh.'

How about clueless and despicable?

A little harsh?
Well, an apology is an apology, I guess.
The negative press was getting to him.

re: #5 VegasRick

FARC-ing icehole

What an arrogant ass.

Chavez is a wishy-washy wussy liar. He called President Uribe of Columbia every nasty name and then turned around and apolagized at a public meeting. Same thing here.

Chavez only wants the spotlight.

“I told her that I was sorry if I’d been harsh,”

Uh, that's not an apology. Not even close.

re: #7 song_and_dance_man

He seeks to shake hands vicariously with Hitler.

She doesn't look to pleased to be sliding skin with that evil knucklehead.

For a minute I thought that was the shehag, then I noticed the woman in the picture had her hair combed and no stains on her shirt.

“I told her that I was sorry if I’d been harsh,” he said,

Merkel replied, "No problem. We're gonna Blitzkrieg your sorry ass."

You know it recently occurred to me that Chavez has been acting much the same way as most liberal trolls, I guess now that he realizes he doesn't have the cloak of anonymity he has to watch what he says.

Well- diplomacy dictates he apologize and she accept it. Behind closed doors is another matter. And I hope she washed her hands afterwards.

By the way, if you click on the link to the Reuters story and then click the photo to full size you can see the fear in Merkel's eyes quite distinctly.

"Never mind."

Emily Litella was funny. This thug isn't.

re: #12 kingkenrod

“I told her that I was sorry if I’d been harsh,”

Uh, that's not an apology. Not even close.

You're right! It's the old "sorry you were offended" routine.

re: #4 solomonpanting

During a summit in Chile late last year, Spain's king told the socialist leader to "shut [the hell] up."

Latin America got a kick out of that. An overwhelming majority of them hate Chavez.

I'd like to see exactly what's on that FARC computer.
Contacts with Obamites? So the rumor goes.

Chavez is a clown.

By being gracious, Merkel made herself seem like a class act in comparison.

Chavez believes he is the savior of the planet, the center of the universe, the heir-apparent to Castro, and the holder of all knowledge. Petro money has made him sicko. Chavez has no diplomatic skills.
Check this:
Venezuelan ambassadors need no diplomatic skills.

Or this
More Chavez stupid stuff at Devils Excrement

re: #22 wolfie

I'd like to see exactly what's on that FARC computer.
Contacts with Obamites? So the rumor goes.

I hope chavez endorses obambi. That would be sooo funny!

Well...Chavez is kind of an insane dictator, and Merkel may very well be....apprehensive around him. In other words, when Crazy Dude calls you Ms. Hitler, then apologizes, it's best to smile and accept his apology. That way he's less likely to try to stalk and/or kill you.

re: #22 wolfie
Interpol confirmed the contents of the computer. That would include mention of Obama.
And I'd like to see someone in the Justice dept. do something about the democrat from Mass. McGovern, who was also found on the computer as doing something to undermine the Colombian government......

re: #25 VegasRick

I hope chavez endorses obambi. That would be sooo funny!

I think it is inevitable, just wait for it. Every thug out there will feel a need to make an endorsement before this is over.

Will anybody care?

In my opinion, Merkel should have told Chavez to get lost. By treating this like it was nothing, and actually shaking this thug's hand, she achieved nothing but to telegraph weakness.

More links on Thugo Chavez
Venezuela News And Views

Caracas Chonicles

Feathers Blog

I kinda of enjoy creating links here. Can you tell?

I hope Justice is investigating McGovern. This is an extraordinarily important development. The Democrats and Leftists in this country have been emboldened by Bush's fearful appeasement.

Where is that bastard and his little buddy?

re: #29 Charles

I completely agree with you. We teach others how to treat us, and she just said that it was OK to treat her like a doormat from now on. Maybe she feels somehow responsible for Hitler.

One must ask Obama why he believes it is in the world's interest to prop up a terrorist group like FARC?

re: #18 Luigi

By the way, if you click on the link to the Reuters story and then click the photo to full size you can see the fear in Merkel's eyes quite distinctly.

To me, it looks more like she was wishing she was anywhere else, and that she'd also like to slap him. LOL

Chavez routinely insults conservative leaders, especially U.S. President George W. Bush, calling him the devil.

Ahh! The language of lefties, socialists, moonbat pundits, college professors. Such an erudite, immature flock.

Merkel must have some business interest at stake. BBL

re: #12 kingkenrod

Uh, that's not an apology. Not even close.

Reminds me of the famous line in the movie Blazing Saddles!, where the old woman who had treated the would-be sheriff with such disdain brought him a platter of food at the jail and apologized to him, saying "Sorry about the 'up yours', n*****".

re: #36 gop_patriot

To me, it looks more like she was wishing she was anywhere else, and that she'd also like to slap him. LOL

Either that, or her eyes are watering from the smell of sulphur. :p

re: #40 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Reminds me of the famous line in the movie Blazing Saddles!, where the old woman who had treated the would-be sheriff with such disdain brought him a platter of food at the jail and apologized to him, saying "Sorry about the 'up yours', n*****".

I don't think he believes it is in anybody's interest except his. Otherwise he would not be lying to cover his tracks. Very amateurish on his part, some might even say clownish.

re: #27 seekeroftruth

Interpol confirmed the contents of the computer. That would include mention of Obama.
And I'd like to see someone in the Justice dept. do something about the democrat from Mass. McGovern, who was also found on the computer as doing something to undermine the Colombian government......

I heard something about that. I'm glad it's Interpol confirming it and not an American agency. After all, as any lefty can tell you, the Americans would just be lying.
I wish they'd do something, too, but I'm not holding my breath.
And the MSM sure isn't going to publicize the Obamassiah connection.

Sorry-My last response was to #34

One must ask Obama why he believes it is in the world's interest to prop up a terrorist group like FARC?

That is not fear, that is camera rictus. A very different phenomenon. Camera rictus is when someone is doing some very unpleasant, but feels it must be done. She is angry.

The weird convergence between Marxists & Islamists is a perfect storm.
Chavez & the head case from Iran are simpatico.
And there are always two common enemies,us & Israel.
But if you really listen to them ,you understand that civilization is their enemy.
These are backward , knuckle dragging individuals. Western culture & civilization is worth protecting & fighting for.

Backdoor oil deal?

re: #46 pat

That is not fear, that is camera rictus. A very different phenomenon. Camera rictus is when someone is doing some very unpleasant, but feels it must be done. She is angry.

I imagine that she was treated with sublte hostility during her visit, only enhancing the feeling of ill-ease. This is typical in functionally dictatorial societies, and I'm sure that Merkel must have understood that no matter how disquieting, it was probably going to happen.

re: #16 ploome hineni
Interesting. One on one closed door meeting. Here's a little more about "the author."

This Merkel-Chavez spat (him calling her a fascist) began when she said the venezuelan leftopath does not represent the voice of latin america. How dare she.

Next time some other leader says the earth somehow doesn't go around him, we'll have the same Chavez headline. Merkel should have pulled a King Juan Carlos.

re: #48 Noam Sayin'

Backdoor oil deal?

You betcha!

If Barack Obama is elected president, we’ll be seeing a lot more nauseating photos like this. But instead of the German Chancellor shaking the thug’s hand, it will be the President of the United States

If Barack OCarter is elected president,all he will have to do is Photoshop in his likeness in the place of Carter's in all of his photos with thugs and despots.

Chavez' head doesn't match his body. It looks half again too big.

re: #29 Charles

In my opinion, Merkel should have told Chavez to get lost. By treating this like it was nothing, and actually shaking this thug's hand, she achieved nothing but to telegraph weakness.

But doesn't Western Europe specialize in this kind of...appeasement?

Ya know in my opinion, McCain has got two good ideas. Prosecute the war against the Jihad & an alternative to the UN, League of Democracies.
But where is the oil?Why aren't we drilling & bringing nuclear plants on line?
We are not evil to want energy.

re: #29 Charles

Hear, hear... I agree 100%...

re: #54 jaunte

Chavez' head doesn't match his body. It looks half again too big.

That's the result of oil price inflation.

re: #34 pat

One must ask Obama why he believes it is in the world's interest to prop up a terrorist group like FARC?

The same reason he thinks it is in the world's interest to prop up Hamas.
FARC has butchered thousands & thousands of Colombian civilians.
Geepers! They must be angry!
There must be a good reason for their anger.
Ah! The Colombian bourgeoisie & conservatives are oppressing them!
FARC is a victim.

As Hugo Chavez said, Colombia is "the Israel of Latin America."

re: #29 Charles

In my opinion, Merkel should have told Chavez to get lost. By treating this like it was nothing, and actually shaking this thug's hand, she achieved nothing but to telegraph weakness.

For too long, the european answer to international conflicts has been "dialog". I don't think it's ever occurred to them that their solution would be considered "weakness" by the other side, and because this desire for dialog is so ingrained in the euro mindset, it might take awhile longer yet for them to snap out of it.

re: #56 opnion

Ya know in my opinion, McCain has got two good ideas. Prosecute the war against the Jihad & an alternative to the UN, League of Democracies.
But where is the oil?Why aren't we drilling & bringing nuclear plants on line?
We are not evil to want energy.

McCain would win in a landslide if he would just talk about domestic drilling and nuclear power along with the WOT stance.

"Born in Iraq into a long line of Shi’ite clerics, Qazwini and his family left for Iran to escape persecution under the regime of Saddam Hussein."
So I'm sure Qazwini thanked Obama for voting to send U.S. Forces into Iraq to depose Saddam Hussein and ....uh....er....never mind........

NObama!

re: #59 wolfie

The same reason he thinks it is in the world's interest to prop up Hamas.
FARC has butchered thousands & thousands of Colombian civilians.
Geepers! They must be angry!
There must be a good reason for their anger.
Ah! The Colombian bourgeoisie & conservatives are oppressing them!
FARC is a victim.

As Hugo Chavez said, Colombia is "the Israel of Latin America."

I like Colombia even more now.

re: #53 WayDownSouthInBama

If Barack OCarter is elected president,all he will have to do is Photoshop in his likeness in the place of Carter's in all of his photos with thugs and despots.

But if Obambi did that, he'd miss all the fun of meeting all those wonderful people in person and reporting back to the public that they're very reasonable people who are just like us, except well, they'd like everyone in the U.S. and Israel to be exterminated.

But Ombabi would leave out that last part, it would be too inflammatory, and we'd never understand that they only hate us because of our bad, bad culture, so it's really all our fault, and if we were smart, we'd hate ourselves too.

Wow! It's like I time traveled into President Obambi's first term....

McCain is a huge proponent of nuke power, talked about it when he could in the debates, etc...

re: #61 VegasRick

McCain would win in a landslide if he would just talk about domestic drilling and nuclear power along with the WOT stance.

Yes he would.It would have to be explained appropriately.
Everybody are not political nerds like we are. Americans are smart, but they need to know just what is at stake here.

re: #66 opnion

Yes he would.It would have to be explained appropriately.
Everybody are not political nerds like we are. Americans are smart, but they need to know just what is at stake here.

Agreed.

McCain is strong on Nuclear power.

/vomit in mouth. said something positive about McCain.

Shame. Angela Merkel should know better.
She shoukd have snubbed the thuggish idiot.

re: #64 shibumi

But if Obambi did that, he'd miss all the fun of meeting all those wonderful people in person and reporting back to the public that they're very reasonable people who are just like us, except well, they'd like everyone in the U.S. and Israel to be exterminated.

But Ombabi would leave out that last part, it would be too inflammatory, and we'd never understand that they only hate us because of our bad, bad culture, so it's really all our fault, and if we were smart, we'd hate ourselves too.

Wow! It's like I time traveled into President Obambi's first term....

I'm going to go get a couple of cocktails.

re: #4 solomonpanting

During a summit in Chile late last year, Spain's king told the socialist leader to "shut [the hell] up."

Too bad King Juan Carlos is not there now.

bbl

re: #68 pat

McCain is strong on Nuclear power.

/vomit in mouth. said something positive about McCain.

I hear ya, but that is where we are.Democrat cross voting in open primaries got us here.
But , no Obama!

Last year, public spending leapt to one-third of Venezuela's economic output of about $180 billion, up from the average of one-quarter of output in the 1990s, said Jose Manuel Puente, an economist with the Institute for Advanced Administrative Studies in Caracas.

...

Along with galloping consumption, the public works spending boom is a major factor in Venezuela's accelerating inflation, which last month reached an annual rate of 19.5%, the highest in Latin America. In the simplest analysis, spending creates demand, which pushes prices up and boosts inflation.

[Link: www.venezuelanalysis.com...]

re: #70 VegasRick

I'm going to go get a couple of cocktails.

Hey, I'll have a Rum & Coke!

re: #66 opnion

re: #67 VegasRick

If he would tie it to Pelosi's promised of lower gas prices two years ago, Congress's votes to not drill domestically, and to the price of gas today - he'd reached the average American's ear.

I guess it's just entirely off topic of this discussion that oil seam fires in China, both natural and man-made, create more environmentally harmful emissions than all the cars in the USA.

Nobody wants background and perspective anymore, so I thought I'd just interject that, right here right now.

Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.

re: #29 Charles

In my opinion, Merkel should have told Chavez to get lost. By treating this like it was nothing, and actually shaking this thug's hand, she achieved nothing but to telegraph weakness.

Yeah, I would guess she could have sent some minister to attend all events with Chavez. Why put herself in the positon of having to touch him? shudder

re: #75 opnion

Hey, I'll have a Rum & Coke!

Under the circumstances, please add a little lime and make it a Cuba Libre!
Just to piss off Chavez.

Sorry, that would be "coal seam fires". Oil may be in seams, but surface seeps are relatively rare.

re: #29 Charles

In my opinion, Merkel should have told Chavez to get lost. By treating this like it was nothing, and actually shaking this thug's hand, she achieved nothing but to telegraph weakness.

If I recall correctly Winston Churchill once said that the Germans are either at your feet or at your throat.

So A.M. being at Hugo's feet (as it were) would be understandable if the Bundesrepublik had the means to go at someone's throat.

But of course in the context of German history such preparations tend to scare people.

re: #76 seekeroftruth

re: #67 VegasRick

If he would tie it to Pelosi's promised of lower gas prices two years ago, Congress's votes to not drill domestically, and to the price of gas today - he'd reached the average American's ear.

MEGA-DING! :)

re: #80 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I found this:

Major underground fires are burning in all of the world's coal producing nations, with the worst blazes found in countries such as China, India and Indonesia. Smaller fires - some of them decades old - are also burning in areas of the United States including Colorado and Pennsylvania.
...According to Stracher's forthcoming article in the "International Journal of Coal Geology," scientists have determined that coal fires in China consume up to 200 million tons of coal per year. For comparison, coal consumption in the United States during 2000 was just over one billion tons, according to the U.S. Department of Energy.

[Link: www.minesandcommunities.org...]

re: #29 Charles

In my opinion, Merkel should have told Chavez to get lost. By treating this like it was nothing, and actually shaking this thug's hand, she achieved nothing but to telegraph weakness.

I agree, but then the EUnuchs are experts at telegraphing weakness.

re: #68 pat

There, there.

It's better than having to say something good about Obama.

re: #80 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Sorry, that would be "coal seam fires". Oil may be in seams, but surface seeps are relatively rare.

And don't forget the volcano in Chile. That's gonna mess up someone's carbon credits big time.

re: #82 wolfie

Oh wow - I won something! LOL - thanks !

re: #37 solomonpanting

Ahh! The language of lefties, socialists, moonbat pundits, college professors. Such an erudite, immature flock.

I've been called Satanic by a so-called Christian Socialist.

re: #76 seekeroftruth

re: #67 VegasRick

If he would tie it to Pelosi's promised of lower gas prices two years ago, Congress's votes to not drill domestically, and to the price of gas today - he'd reached the average American's ear.

Look you gotta understand , if we start drilling in Anwar it could disrupt the mating patterns of the Elk.
You know because if they are not in the mood ,we will have to start supplying liquor & really romantic music for them.

re: #70 VegasRick

I'm going to go get a couple of cocktails.

Is this the FNDT?

I've already had a few beers.

re: #4 solomonpanting

During a summit in Chile late last year, Spain's king told the socialist leader to "shut [the hell] up."

Specifically, he said Por que no te callas?. I particularly like the use of the informal in the second person, which is a nice subtle insult. I also heard that this became a popular ring-tone in Spain...

&#9834 &#9836 Evening, lizards! &#9836 &#9834

What would possess Angela Merkel to press the flesh with that scumbag?

I don't get it.

re: #92 Miss Trixie

%u266A %u266C Evening, lizards! %u266C %u266A

What would possess Angela Merkel to press the flesh with that scumbag?

I don't get it.

Neither do I.

re: #77 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Thanks. I appreciate perspective and actual facts.

re: #90 Racer X

Sure doesn't feel like it.

Maybe just because I am cynical, or tired, or heartsick, but I see a dark November for us conservatives. Like Churchill in the '30's, our will be voices crying in the wilderness.

With a President Obama we will see, quite clearly, the rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouch towards Bethlehem to be born.

But, it's Friday--drink up fellow lizards! Sigh

re: #95 Sarge1984

Sure doesn't feel like it.

*slides a beer over to Sarge*

re: #78 funky chicken

Yeah, I would guess she could have sent some minister to attend all events with Chavez. Why put herself in the positon of having to touch him? shudder

Hey, hey now , is that an aspersion on Obama.You do know that any criticism is racist right?
Now buy a carbon credit! Wait, that's another thing

Natural gas already runs thousands of vehicles in the U.S., it's now cheaper and cleaner than gasoline, we have a [expletive deleted]load of it, and it's most likely already being distributed within a mile of where you sit.

/just sayin', until we get widespread fuel cell or nuclear power and electric

"We want to make Latin America a trustworthy ally in the struggle against global warming," European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso said Wednesday after meeting with Peruvian President Alan Garcia.

The commission plans to announce EuroClima, a $7.7 million fund for Latin American projects aimed at stemming climate change.

Garcia and other Latin American leaders are expected to raise the issue of soaring food prices and their impact on efforts to reduce poverty.

"We have to turn our eyes to food production and leave aside or regulate this change in the use of land to produce ethanol, which is causing great world damage," Garcia said in an interview published Tuesday.

Biofuel production should not come at the expense of the environment, German Chancellor Angela Merkel warned as she began a Latin America tour Wednesday in Brazil, the planet's chief ethanol exporter. Some worry that increased farming of biofuels threatens the Amazon."

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

re: #89 opnion

Look you gotta understand , if we start drilling in Anwar it could disrupt the mating patterns of the Elk.
You know because if they are not in the mood ,we will have to start supplying liquor & really romantic music for them.

In an Elk's Club?

re: #89 opnion

Look you gotta understand , if we start drilling in Anwar it could disrupt the mating patterns of the Elk.
You know because if they are not in the mood ,we will have to start supplying liquor & really romantic music for them.

If supplying them with liquor and really romantic music for the elk is what it takes to get oil from our own country and reduce foreign oil - I say let's go for it! ; - )

re: #88 The Other Les

I've been called Satanic by a so-called Christian Socialist.

You probably are, you little devil, you.

re: #96 calcajun

Maybe just because I am cynical, or tired, or heartsick, but I see a dark November for us conservatives. Like Churchill in the '30's, our will be voices crying in the wilderness.

With a President Obama we will see, quite clearly, the rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouch towards Bethlehem to be born.

But, it's Friday--drink up fellow lizards! Sigh

Drink!

re: #97 Racer X

Seems like it's been pretty dark around here lately. Even the video thread downstairs turned to lamenting hearing Poison on the Muzak in an elevator...

re: #96 calcajun

Pull up your socks, stiffen your lip, and gird up your loins.

re: #91 Noah's Arrrgh

Specifically, he said Por que no te callas?. I particularly like the use of the informal in the second person, which is a nice subtle insult. I also heard that this became a popular ring-tone in Spain...

Bloody Royalists!

[grin]

re: #91 Noah's Arrrgh

Specifically, he said Por que no te callas?. I particularly like the use of the informal in the second person, which is a nice subtle insult. I also heard that this became a popular ring-tone in Spain...

You see there? Okay. I realize the Socialist Zapatero was just re-elected w/ 45% of the vote. But still. Even in Europe people love it when someone stands up to the idiots and forgets all that PC groveling.

re: #101 The Other Les

LOL

re: #89 opnion

I thought they liked the warm pipeline as a hot spot for dating.

re: #99 Killian Bundy

Natural gas already runs thousands of vehicles in the U.S., it's now cheaper and cleaner than gasoline, we have a [expletive deleted]load of it, and it's most likely already being distributed within a mile of where you sit.

/just sayin', until we get widespread fuel cell or nuclear power and electric

Hell, I'm distributing it right here where I sit now....

I'm really sick of just about ANY kind of diplomacy!

re: #29 Charles

In my opinion, Merkel should have told Chavez to get lost. By treating this like it was nothing, and actually shaking this thug's hand, she achieved nothing but to telegraph weakness.

Charles -

Eisenfrau - Use the OCTOGON SOAP to wash up. That is all.

-S-

re: #103 solomonpanting

You probably are, you little devil, you.

Gave up Satanism for Lent.

re: #101 The Other Les

In an Elk's Club?

The Moose are funky too. They like Barry White!

re: #108 wolfie

Wolfie -

Si!

-S-

re: #111 Sarge1984

Hell, I'm distributing it right here where I sit now....

LOL!

Hey - can you really run a car off of popcorn and beer fumes?

re: #115 opnion

The Moose are funky too. They like Barry White!

Ohhhhhh yeahhhhh!

/deep bass

re: #117 Racer X

LOL!

Hey - can you really run a car off of popcorn and beer fumes?

I'd prefer not trying to bottle it...

re: #89 opnion

Look you gotta understand , if we start drilling in Anwar it could disrupt the mating patterns of the Elk.
You know because if they are not in the mood ,we will have to start supplying liquor & really romantic music for them.

Yes,and the left will demand an Elk Sex Tax be placed on Big Oil to make sure the liquor & music are properly funded.

re: #117 Racer X

LOL!

Hey - can you really run a car off of popcorn and beer fumes?

Are you talking about buttered popcorn? If you are I would like some please.

re: #112 paxnhymn

Pax -

Diplomacy is ABOUT - Jaw, Jaw, Jaw - when you prefer NOT TO - OR - Cannot do War, War, War. That is all.

-S-

re: #61 VegasRick

McCain would win in a landslide if he would just talk about domestic drilling and nuclear power along with the WOT stance.

I'll go along with the first part of that, but since so little of our electric power is produced with oil these days, nuke power isn't the panacea the we would like it to be. It is clean no doubt, but since we produce less than 2% of our power with oil, and that figure is decreasing annually, nukes won't make much of a dent in oil consumption. Market forces have already just about phased out oil for electricity.
I'm sure the nuclear construction industry would love a crash nuke building program though.

re: #120 WayDownSouthInBama

Yes,and the left will demand an Elk Sex Tax be placed on Big Oil to make sure the liquor & music are properly funded.

Sounds fair.

re: #117 Racer X

LOL!

Hey - can you really run a car off of popcorn and beer fumes?

Ask Argon Oil.

re: #119 Sarge1984

I'd prefer not trying to bottle it...

"Sarge"

Or "Cow Fa-ts?" Lots of Carbon Dioxide there.

-S-

re: #123 HDrepub

But it would increase capacity, and it's cheap power, as I understand the figures.

re: #96 calcajun

Maybe just because I am cynical, or tired, or heartsick, but I see a dark November for us conservatives. Like Churchill in the '30's, our will be voices crying in the wilderness.

With a President Obama we will see, quite clearly, the rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouch towards Bethlehem to be born.

But, it's Friday--drink up fellow lizards! Sigh

Cheer up, toots. Obama will never, ever be POTUS and CiC of the USA. Never. Won't happen.

In the meantime, chill yoself, relax and enjoy one of these.

And for goodness' sake, don't stress yourself.

Evening, Mandy.

I think the polar bear legislation pretty much cuts out any Arctic drilling.
Look, from everything I read, the polar bear is NOT endangered at all. It's population and range have both increased greatly in the last 2 decades, IIRC.
So there had to be some reason for this sudden "need" to save the bears.
ANWAR.

How Natural-gas Vehicles Work

Technology here now. Did I mention we have a [expletive deleted] load of it within out own borders?

/if you want to get Chavez and the rest of the oil ticks off our back, while fighting the Bonkeys over nuclear, this is the obvious, easy, stopgap answer

re: #129 wolfie

That's exactly what I was talking about with my son and husband yesterday. They don't want us to drill, quick, make something up there endangered. Even if it's not.

re: #128 Miss Trixie

Cheer up, toots. Obama will never, ever be POTUS and CiC of the USA. Never. Won't happen.

In the meantime, chill yoself, relax and enjoy one of these.

And for goodness' sake, don't stress yourself.

Evening, Mandy.

you're right. McCain's the man. I feel better now.

/

re: #127 Dianna

But it would increase capacity, and it's cheap power, as I understand the figures.

It is cheap to operate, but not to build, and any new capacity should be nuclear for the environment's sake. I have no problem with that, but it isn't going to make much difference with our oil consumption. That's the point I am trying to make.
As for increasing capacity there is no shortage of electric power for now, but new capacity will be needed of course.
I worked in the electric power industry for 30 years, which doesn't make me an expert, but I do know a little more than the average consumer.

re: #129 wolfie

I think the polar bear legislation pretty much cuts out any Arctic drilling.
Look, from everything I read, the polar bear is NOT endangered at all. It's population and range have both increased greatly in the last 2 decades, IIRC.
So there had to be some reason for this sudden "need" to save the bears.
ANWAR.

Alright , lets get real. Anybody got a pet polar bear?
Nope, the things will kill ya in a heart beat.
They are not endangered.This is junk science for the non scientist Gore.
Their population is actually growing.

re: #123 HDrepub

"HD" -

AND - building infrastructure during rough economic times is:

1. Smart

2. What Harry s. Truman did when he was a "Judge" in Missouri in the 1930's.

3. Keynesian Economics at its best.

4. All of the Above.

You Make the Call.

-S-

Are you sure you want popcorn?

re: #130 Killian Bundy

Technology here now. Did I mention we have a [expletive deleted] load of it within out own borders?

Can ya run a Jeep on it?

re: #133 HDrepub

Thanks.

re: #129 wolfie

I've wondered that myself. Lots of talk about becoming energy independent and then no drilling in our own country while other countries are drilling all around our edges. I wonder why?

re: #139 seekeroftruth

Because we get mushy about furry critters, even when we shouldn't?

re: #129 wolfie

Look, from everything I read, the polar bear is NOT endangered at all. It's population and range have both increased greatly in the last 2 decades, IIRC.

That's the part I don't get also. Let me see if I get this straight, the polar ice cap has been receding for the last 30 years, but the population of polar bears has also doubled in the past 25 years or so. I detect the smell of major BS with this.

re: #140 Dianna

LOL

re: #91 Noah's Arrrgh

You mean this ¿Por qué no te callas?

re: #141 HDrepub

That's the part I don't get also. Let me see if I get this straight, the polar ice cap has been receding for the last 30 years, but the population of polar bears has also doubled in the past 25 years or so. I detect the smell of major BS with this.

Thats a fact Jack! The things are screwin like minks & thriving.
This is all a scam

A clear sunset after a hot day in LA... Mt. Wilson Towercam.

re: #134 opnion

Opinion -

As BEARS go, Polar Bears have it the easiest/best. Here in NJ, Bears are hunted or chased off, depending on which party is in power - as in who occupies "Drumthwacket" (the NJ Governor's Residence - as in when all y'all find a DRUM - THWACK IT!).

-S-

re: #141 HDrepub

That's the part I don't get also. Let me see if I get this straight, the polar ice cap has been receding for the last 30 years, but the population of polar bears has also doubled in the past 25 years or so. I detect the smell of major BS with this.

And what do polar bears eat?

Fish?

re: #147 The Other Les

Les -

"POLAR" as other BEARS eat whatever doesn't run away fast enough.

-S-

re: #146 Dr. Shalit

Opinion -

As BEARS go, Polar Bears have it the easiest/best. Here in NJ, Bears are hunted or chased off, depending on which party is in power - as in who occupies "Drumthwacket" (the NJ Governor's Residence - as in when all y'all find a DRUM - THWACK IT!).

-S-

Yeah,let me tell you, Polar Bears have it much better than Chicago Bears.,
The polar bears probably at least have a quarter back.

re: #131 gop_patriot

That's exactly what I was talking about with my son and husband yesterday. They don't want us to drill, quick, make something up there endangered. Even if it's not.

There is something very sick about all this.
Seriously.
The left definitely has a suicidal streak.

re: #146 Dr. Shalit

Evidently, some have become addicted to tranquilizers, since the same ones visit towns every year. Notably, when they see the ranger with his tranq rifle, they don't run, they stand there.

From this, I would conclude that 1) they enjoy the sensation; and 2) the helicopter ride beat the hell out of walking and swimming.

I am joking, sort-of.

Interesting images that put ANWR in perspective.

[Link: www.anchorrising.com...]

[Link: www.anwr.org...]

re: #147 The Other Les

Seals. Walrus, sometimes. Anything else that's not making tracks.

Sometimes, they try to eat submarines.

re: #128 Miss Trixie

Darlin,

I've had three beers and am making toward my special vodka martys - chilled vodka, a hand full of olives and I shout the word "Vermouth" at the glass. Good for what ails ya'.

re: #151 Dianna

"Di" -

"JUNKIE BEARS?"

-S-

re: #147 The Other Les

And what do polar bears eat?

Fish?

First, you cut a large, round hole in the ice. Next, you place enough peas around the hole to completely surround the hole. Then, when the polar bear comes to take a pea, you kick him in the icehole.

:P

re: #148 Dr. Shalit

Les -

"POLAR" as other BEARS eat whatever doesn't run away fast enough.

-S-

Yes, that too.

Screw the polar bears. What about the bi-polar bears? Shouldn't they be protected as well!

re: #155 Dr. Shalit

I fear so.

re: #152 WayDownSouthInBama

1st link is an eye-opener.

re: #99 Killian Bundy

Natural gas already runs thousands of vehicles in the U.S., it's now cheaper and cleaner than gasoline, we have a [expletive deleted]load of it, and it's most likely already being distributed within a mile of where you sit.

/just sayin', until we get widespread fuel cell or nuclear power and electric

I knew a salesman that powered his converted full-size station wagon on LPG back in the 70's and got a highway mileage of better than 25 to a gallon, driving that iron sled. And LPG was cheaper than gasoline back in those days.

re: #154 calcajun

"CA Cajun"-

Vermouth should be "Whispered."

-S-

re: #147 The Other Les

And what do polar bears eat?

Fish?

I think their preferred meal is seal meat. Evidently the seals must be thriving too.

re: #158 calcajun

Screw the polar bears. What about the bi-polar bears? Shouldn't they be protected as well!

They need quiet time in their happy place

re: #158 calcajun

Maybe that explains the ones who come to be tranquilized?

re: #162 Dr. Shalit

I know. But, I gotta make a show if it.

GO HORNETS!

re: #150 wolfie

There is something very sick about all this.
Seriously.
The left definitely has a suicidal streak.

They can't create. They can only interfere and destroy so they adopt an ideology that allows them to feel good about being a bunch of nihilistic assholes.

re: #137 Noam Sayin'

Can ya run a Jeep on it?

/you'd have to get a new Jeep, or convert

re: #163 HDrepub

I think their preferred meal is seal meat. Evidently the seals must be thriving too.

So its fish by the indirect route.

re: #154 calcajun

Darlin,

I've had three beers and am making toward my special vodka martys - chilled vodka, a hand full of olives and I shout the word "Vermouth" at the glass. Good for what ails ya'.

LOL!

Vodka martys.

*snort* :D

I'm enjoying a glass of Oz Shiraz. Delish, I tell you what.

re: #140 Dianna

Because we get mushy about furry critters, even when we shouldn't?

I don't think so.
I don't think the hardcore eco-nuts are motivated by love, but by hatred.
Self-hatred.

re: #167 The Other Les

They can't create. They can only interfere and destroy so they adopt an ideology that allows them to feel good about being a bunch of nihilistic assholes.

ya know,I have read your post three times.
There is nothing to add to it. It is perfect as is.I freaking salute you!

re: #155 Dr. Shalit

"Di" -

"JUNKIE BEARS?"

-S-

:O YIKES!

re: #161 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I knew a salesman that powered his converted full-size station wagon on LPG back in the 70's and got a highway mileage of better than 25 to a gallon, driving that iron sled. And LPG was cheaper than gasoline back in those days.

When I was just a lad, there were some farm tractors that ran on LP gas. They weren't very popular but there were a few around in my neighborhood.
Last time I was in Colorado, I ran into a man who ran his truck on LP gas. Never underestimate the powers of a shade tree mechanic!

re: #172 opnion

ya know,I have read your post three times.
There is nothing to add to it. It is perfect as is.I freaking salute you!

Thank you.

BI-POLAR BEARS? 8O

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

*snicker*
*snort*

:D

Nice going, Europe! How's that "soft power" thing workin' out?

re: #175 The Other Les

Thank you.

No thank you. Are we having cocktails?

re: #176 Miss Trixie

BI-POLAR BEARS? 8O

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

*snicker*
*snort*

:D

How can you tell?

re: #167 The Other Les

They can't create. They can only interfere and destroy so they adopt an ideology that allows them to feel good about being a bunch of nihilistic assholes.

Yes. You nailed it.

re: #178 opnion

No thank you. Are we having cocktails?

I'm sticking to the nonalcoholic stuff.

re: #160 Ojoe

It sure does. I almost missed the little red dot when I first looked at it. If the supporters of drilling in ANWR would take that map in that link,and show the American people just how little land is going to be drilled on in ANWR,a lot of people would begin to open their eyes to the unreasonable position of those who oppose ANWR drilling.

re: #171 wolfie

The hard-cores? No, they don't love anything as much as they loathe themselves.

But their strategy always involves something with fur that, at a distance, is cute or at least admirable.

re: #140 Dianna

Because we get mushy about furry critters, even when we shouldn't?

There you go. If it was polar cockroaches, we'd be drilling AND spraying them with fluorocarbon-laced blasts of poison.

Look, this Polar Bear thing is great & all,but could we now bash Obama?

re: #174 HDrepub

When I was just a lad, there were some farm tractors that ran on LP gas. They weren't very popular but there were a few around in my neighborhood.
Last time I was in Colorado, I ran into a man who ran his truck on LP gas. Never underestimate the powers of a shade tree mechanic!

The people pumping ethanol REALLY don't want you to know the energy potential of natural gas in the US. It would screw up their entire complex cartel scheme.

re: #181 The Other Les

I'm sticking to the nonalcoholic stuff.

Come on.I'm buyin

re: #178 opnion

No thank you. Are we having cocktails?

In honor of Hugo Chavez and his hero Fidel, I am making Cuba Libres.
Make I offer you one?

re: #185 opnion

Didn't we do that all day?

re: #187 opnion

Come on.I'm buyin

Righto!

re: #183 Dianna

The hard-cores? No, they don't love anything as much as they loathe themselves.

But their strategy always involves something with fur that, at a distance, is cute or at least admirable.

Yes, you're right. That's the ticket for a wider appeal.....or just propaganda.

re: #179 The Other Les

How can you tell?

Easy.

:D

re: #189 Dianna

Didn't we do that all day?

We were breathing all day too.

re: #168 Killian Bundy

/you'd have to get a new Jeep, or convert

Then I'll buy a new one.

[Link: news.google.com...]

US news via Google News. See anything missing there? Something blatantly obvious?

Yeah, that's right.

re: #188 wolfie

In honor of Hugo Chavez and his hero Fidel, I am making Cuba Libres.
Make I offer you one?

Por favor, mi amigo.Are you pouring Bacardi?Hey not that I'm being fussy.
I have chips & salsa.It's a party, whose in?

re: #143 NY Nana

You mean this ¿Por qué no te callas?

I do, but when I tried it it came out: "¿Por qué no te callas?", so I went back to the Americanized form. How did you do that?

re: #170 Miss Trixie

...and Rene Descartes was a drunken fart,
I drink therefore I am.

Lets hoist one to the surviving Pythons!

re: #183 Dianna

But their strategy always involves something with fur that, at a distance, is cute or at least admirable.

Always they are inflicted with the "Bambi" syndrome. Wild animals don't talk, and some of them will actually slap you in the head and consume your flesh, like that idiot who pestered the brown bears in Alaska until one day his stupidity finally cost him his life and his girlfriend's life as well.

re: #198 calcajun

...and Rene Descartes was a drunken fart,
I drink therefore I am.

Lets hoist one to the surviving Pythons!

Cheers!

re: #161 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Grumpy -

OK, Lets go - I am the Guy who sold/delivered THOUSANDS of Alternate Fuel Vehicles in the early 1990's - see: Wayne Dodge/Khubani Enterprises.
Here is the deal. None of the engines involved were optimized for alternate fuel usage. Same goes for GWB's F-250. An internal combustion engine using CNG, LPG, or E/M - 85. All of them could be running a 12-15 to 1 Combustion Ratio and making TONS more "Horse-Pressure" due to the effective "Octane" of the alternate fuels. Using Gasoline engine parameters to be "flex" or "retrofit on resale" - CNG/LPG vehicles have 1/3 the range of Gasoline- and - E/M - 85 more or less 2/3. That is all until engines are optimized or the laws of thermodynamics repealed.

-S-

re: #198 calcajun

...and Rene Descartes was a drunken fart,
I drink therefore I am.

Lets hoist one to the surviving Pythons!

There was never a soul on the face of this Earth any more weird than Neitche

re: #188 wolfie

In honor of Hugo Chavez and his hero Fidel, I am making Cuba Libres.
Make I offer you one?

wolfie -

SALUD!

-S-

re: #96 calcajun

Maybe just because I am cynical, or tired, or heartsick, but I see a dark November for us conservatives. Like Churchill in the '30's, our will be voices crying in the wilderness.

With a President Obama we will see, quite clearly, the rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouch towards Bethlehem to be born.

But, it's Friday--drink up fellow lizards! Sigh

Try to be positive Calcajun! It's always dark before the light!

Google news....

Top headline:
News Analysis Same-Sex Marriage and Racial Justice Find Common Ground

Here's the Picture they choose to go with the headline.

*Web archive saved*

re: #196 opnion

Por favor, mi amigo.Are you pouring Bacardi?Hey not that I'm being fussy.
I have chips & salsa.It's a party, whose in?

Nada menos que Bacardi! Always Bacardi!
Okay. Ice. Coke. Bacardi. Small squeeze of lime.
Wait. Let me put a twist on the rim.
There you go! Salud!

re: #199 HDrepub

Always they are inflicted with the "Bambi" syndrome. Wild animals don't talk, and some of them will actually slap you in the head and consume your flesh, like that idiot who pestered the brown bears in Alaska until one day his stupidity finally cost him his life and his girlfriend's life as well.

That freaking idiot.Wild animals are not your Golden Retriever.
They are feral & think that you are part of the food chain.
It is not the animals fault.

re: #186 really grumpy big dog Johnson

The people pumping ethanol REALLY don't want you to know the energy potential of natural gas in the US. It would screw up their entire complex cartel scheme.

No [expletive deleted]!

/meanwhile, let's continue to prop up all the oil ticks, bitch about gasoline prices that will surely go north of $5+/gal., AND BURN OUR FOOD!

Back to the original subject of the thread, when are all of Chavez's admirers here in the good old USA going to apologize to George W. Bush for calling him Hitler the last seven years?

Crickets chirping

re: #206 wolfie

Nada menos que Bacardi! Always Bacardi!
Okay. Ice. Coke. Bacardi. Small squeeze of lime.
Wait. Let me put a twist on the rim.
There you go! Salud!

Wolfie, you are a gentleman & a scholar.Oh yeah.Now that is a gooooood drink.

re: #191 wolfie

Propaganda has to be broadly appealing. Otherwise, it's just failed marketing.

re: #207 opnionThis is the drinking thread, right?

re: #203 Dr. Shalit

wolfie -

SALUD!

-S-

Y para ti tambien!
I'm sending you a Cuba Libre!

re: #197 Noah's Arrrgh

I do, but when I tried it it came out: "¿Por qué no te callas?", so I went back to the Americanized form. How did you do that?

That's weird when I preview and post this it looks like ?Por qu?o no te Callas?" but when I reload the page, it looks correct. Charles! Help!

re: #212 beachkatie

This is the drinking thread, right?

Yeah & then we go to boobs.Yeah baby!

re: #198 calcajun

...and Rene Descartes was a drunken fart,
I drink therefore I am.

Lets hoist one to the surviving Pythons!

Speaking about drunken farts ..

re: #207 opnion

That freaking idiot.Wild animals are not your Golden Retriever.
They are feral & think that you are part of the food chain.
It is not the animals fault.

Some guy up on the University of Alaska campus was trying to friendly with an elk a few years back. Got kick in the head for his efforts.

Merkel may have "consented" to shake Chavez' hand to avoid giving Chavez any reason to be angry with the sizable German community in Venezuela, especially as I don't think they're Chavez supporters to begin with.

re: #205 jcm

Google news....

Top headline:
News Analysis Same-Sex Marriage and Racial Justice Find Common Ground

Here's the Picture they choose to go with the headline.

*Web archive saved*

WHAT ? Is this supposed to be a serious news outfit?

re: #215 opnion

Yeah & then we go to boobs.Yeah baby!

Stupid!:)

re: #217 jcm

Some guy up on the University of Alaska campus was trying to friendly with an elk a few years back. Got kick in the head for his efforts.

I support the Elk

re: #207 opnion

And you still have to kill them after they've eaten a human. So the idiot really failed of his purpose.

re: #208 Killian Bundy

/meanwhile, let's continue to prop up all the oil ticks, bitch about gasoline prices that will surely go north of $5+/gal., AND BURN OUR FOOD!

I have come to the conclusion the Donks like high energy prices when a Repub is in the White House, so they can spout their populist clap trap but actually do nothing to alleviate our misery. The last part applies to everything else too. Who in the hell wants to vote for a party that enjoys the misery of the citizens for political gain?

re: #96 calcajun

Maybe just because I am cynical, or tired, or heartsick...

C'mon, man. Don't go wobbly on us, now.

re: #220 beachkatie

Stupid!:)

No no no,I meant in a tasteful way

re: #201 Dr. Shalit

Correct me if I'm wrong about this. As I understand it,a fuels capacity to "do work" basically comes down to the BTU content of the fuel. I understand there are many other factors involved when dealing with the combustion process (hey,I'm an old hot rodder and Drag Racing fan),but on a basic level,the greater the BTU content of the fuel,the greater it's ability to do work.

re: #221 opnion

I support the Elk

I checked the archive of my blog and found that I also support the bears.

re: #217 jcm

Good for the elk! I'm sure the researcher was annoying as all get out.

re: #208 Killian Bundy

"K-B" -

Perhaps this whole situation is the excuse to nullify the 1962 US/USSR understandings regarding CUBA. Mmmmm - CUBA - Grows lots of sugarcane.
"...Ask any 'shiner you happen to see, what's the cheapest 'lightnin'" - SUGAR - for YOU and ME..."

-S-

re: #221 opnion

I support the Elk

We need more elk....
Elk steaks, elk sausage.....

re: #210 opnion

Wolfie, you are a gentleman lady & a scholar.Oh yeah.Now that is a gooooood drink.

Gracias! :)

re: #222 Dianna

And you still have to kill them after they've eaten a human. So the idiot really failed of his purpose.

Just wrong on multiple levels. Nature has to be respected for what it is,

re: #195 really grumpy big dog Johnson

[Link: news.google.com...]

US news via Google News. See anything missing there? Something blatantly obvious?

Yeah, that's right.

Balance?

re: #225 opnion

No no no,I meant in a tasteful way

o.k sorry!:)

re: #230 jcm

We need more elk....
Elk steaks, elk sausage.....

Oh yeah.beefaloe is good too.

re: #223 HDrepub

They are just aching for a major recession or some catastrophe.

re: #232 opnion

Yes, but be careful with that. You can find yourself arguing with the people who want to take our pets away, and have us admire dogs and cats only from a distance.

Don't get me started on those folks.

re: #204 beachkatie

No--it's always darkest before it goes pitch black!

Honestly, I told a few liberal friends of mine in 2004, who despaired when GWB was re-elected, that there is little that one president can do to irreparably damage the Republic. I gotta learn to take solace from my own words.

re: #234 beachkatie

o.k sorry!:)

Do you really think the democrats will win this race?

re: #34 pat

One must ask Obama why he believes it is in the world's interest to prop up a terrorist group like FARC?

Hello. Jokes apart, politicians such as Chavez, and France's Sarkozy are desperate to get the high-profiled hostages (?) freed. On the one hand, it's very nice and all, but on the other hand it's just a publicity stunt aimed at getting public support by the otherwise fed up public. This is especially true with Sarkozy... It's very unfortunate, but I believe that should there no be three (?) American contractors, an ex-presidential candidate (Ingrid Bettancourt), and other rich/ high-profiled people neither one of those leaders would pay any attention to the hostages :(

re: #216 Miss Trixie

"Trix" -

Is that "Pujol" or "Peugeot?"

-S-

re: #219 wolfie

WHAT ? Is this supposed to be a serious news outfit?

While back I noticed a Granma News, the Cuban state news organ. I wrote Google and complained, and I have seen a Granma new story featured since, but I only scan Google news headlines.

re: #234 beachkatie

o.k sorry!:)

Nah,I just said that. You had me, but hey it was the Cuba Libre that Wolfie gave me.So you see, I am like a Liberal.It;s not my fault

re: #96 calcajun

Are you saying Obama is the Antichrist?

Favorite moment:

I was over at a friend's house, and he had a friend who'd just moved to town to be the executive director of an animal rights group. I bluntly told him that animals don't have rights because they don't have responsibilities.

re: #237 Dianna

Yes, but be careful with that. You can find yourself arguing with the people who want to take our pets away, and have us admire dogs and cats only from a distance.

Don't get me started on those folks.

Ain't no one getting my dog.Seriously

re: #201 Dr. Shalit

Grumpy -

OK, Lets go - I am the Guy who sold/delivered THOUSANDS of Alternate Fuel Vehicles in the early 1990's - see: Wayne Dodge/Khubani Enterprises.
Here is the deal. None of the engines involved were optimized for alternate fuel usage. Same goes for GWB's F-250. An internal combustion engine using CNG, LPG, or E/M - 85. All of them could be running a 12-15 to 1 Combustion Ratio and making TONS more "Horse-Pressure" due to the effective "Octane" of the alternate fuels. Using Gasoline engine parameters to be "flex" or "retrofit on resale" - CNG/LPG vehicles have 1/3 the range of Gasoline- and - E/M - 85 more or less 2/3. That is all until engines are optimized or the laws of thermodynamics repealed.

-S-

Hey doc, I only reported what the salesman told me. You tell me the energy potential of LP gas is half that of ethanol, I think I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one point.

LP gas contains more complex hydrocarbon chains than ethanol. And while it may be more polluting when consumed, you'll have to really take a stand to convince me that the btu potential of ethanol is higher than LPG.

re: #230 jcm

We need more elk....
Elk steaks, elk sausage.....

jcm -

Watssamaddah with MOOSE, or RACCOONS for that matter?

-S-

re: #237 Dianna

Yes, but be careful with that. You can find yourself arguing with the people who want to take our pets away, and have us admire dogs and cats only from a distance.

Don't get me started on those folks.

They're almost as stupid as the ones who "liberate" minks or lab animals by turning them loose in the woods, where they're inevitably eaten by actual wild animals within hours or days.

re: #245 Dianna

Favorite moment:

I was over at a friend's house, and he had a friend who'd just moved to town to be the executive director of an animal rights group. I bluntly told him that animals don't have rights because they don't have responsibilities.

I had a militant animal rights person come up to me while at college and demand to know what was in my sandwich.

I looked her straight in the eye and said.
"Dead pig."

re: #242 jcm

While back I noticed a Granma News, the Cuban state news organ. I wrote Google and complained, and I have seen a Granma new story featured since, but I only scan Google news headlines.

Let's face it. There are no standards in journalism anymore. None.

re: #246 opnion

Mine, either.

Somehow, Chelsea and the Goon didn't look thrilled when I explained the concept to them.

re: #150 wolfie

Yeah, it is. They're trying to frighten everyone with the thought that Polar Bears will end up in the water. And we all know how much
Polar Bears
hate
water. ;)

/taken at the Memphis Zoo the other day
//sorry it took so long, I had to upload the silly things

She has the same facial expression that she would have if shaking hands with a rhesus monkey at a game preserve.

Photo op!

re: #216 Miss Trixie

ROFLMAO! Famous Anus indeed!

re: #245 Dianna

Favorite moment:

I was over at a friend's house, and he had a friend who'd just moved to town to be the executive director of an animal rights group. I bluntly told him that animals don't have rights because they don't have responsibilities.

They have a right to be treated humanely. They are not on a par with humans.
Frankly, I think a lot of animals are tasty. Slurp

re: #243 opnion

Nah,I just said that. You had me, but hey it was the Cuba Libre that Wolfie gave me.So you see, I am like a Liberal.It;s not my fault

There is to many NRA member in U.S.A. now... WE out number the rest!:

re: #248 Dr. Shalit

jcm -

Watssamaddah with MOOSE, or RACCOONS for that matter?

-S-

Moose is good. Never had raccoon. Tried to get a speed goat once (Pronghorn Antelope). Bear is good, deer, rabbit all good.

re: #247 really grumpy big dog Johnson

"Grumpy" -

Its NOT the btu's, its the physical size of the tanks. If tank technology has improved, the equation changes.

-S-

re: #27 seekeroftruth

Where can I read this information, do you have a link? Very interesting to say the least.

re: #244 Macker

Of course not. Everyone knows it's Scott Baio.

Seriously, he ain't the big kahuna, merely a harbinger.