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Sat, May 17, 2008 at 8:36:27 am PDT

The headline at CNN.com:

Sen. Ted Kennedy is rushed to a hospital in Cape Cod, Massachusetts, a Democratic source tells CNN

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1 jcm  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:37:46am

Lizards,

Let's keep it respectful.

Leave the slime to Kos and Huffpo.

We are better than that.

Here's to Ted's health, and his family's peace and strength.

2 yochanan  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:37:49am

refuah slama teddy i hope you get to enjoy a long retirement

3 RedSoxNation  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:37:51am

I hope he is okay.

4 Cognito  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:38:00am

I can't stand the old guy's politics, but I wish him the best personally.

5 VegasRick  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:38:04am

I disagree with his politics but pray for him as a person.

6 ackomanyuki  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:38:09am

Prayers

7 VegasRick  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:39:05am

re: #4 Cognito

I can't stand the old guy's politics, but I wish him the best personally.

Wow. That is a little scary.

8 Cognito  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:39:29am

re: #7 VegasRick

Wow. That is a little scary.

Is that you, peering over my shoulder?

9 D. Lapin  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:39:34am

Agreed. Lousy politician but he is a human being. Maybe he will just retire?

10 LeftJustAintRight  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:39:59am

Possible stroke

11 VegasRick  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:40:00am

re: #8 Cognito

Is that you, peering over my shoulder?

Must be.

12 uncle_monkey  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:40:20am

re: #1 jcm

Lizards,

Let's keep it respectful.

Leave the slime to Kos and Huffpo.

We are better than that.

Here's to Ted's health, and his family's peace and strength.

I think you know us better than that! I may not like him (at all) but would never wish this upon anybody. Save for a few very special folks hiding in caves...

13 DownRightMeanAmerican  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:40:36am

I hope Teddy will be OK, prayers for him and his family

I dislike his politics, but his is still a human being

unlike us neo-cons.

14 JammieWearingFool  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:40:37am

The hospital isn't far from the compound. Could just be be something precautionary.

I despise the man's politics, but wish him the best.

15 Cognito  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:40:37am

Ha, yes -- here's to a long, happy, and politically unproductive retirement for Teddy Kennedy.

16 THorfin  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:40:55am

Shucks

17 joegosox  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:40:58am

Airlifted to Mass. General.

Agreed, let's keep it respectful.

18 RedSoxNation  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:41:27am

You may not like his politics (and I don't), but I met him once when I was younger and he was very nice to me, encouraging me to do my best in school and things like that. He has his many faults, but I hope he is okay...

19 Charles  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:42:07am

I hope everyone realizes that I will not tolerate any mean-spirited comments in this thread. I know most lizards are better people than that, but unfortunately there are always one or two who can't restrain themselves. Consider this a warning -- be respectful here, or you're very likely to lose your account.

20 yochanan[deleted]  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:42:22am
21 jcm  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:42:39am

re: #12 uncle_monkey

I think you know us better than that! I may not like him (at all) but would never wish this upon anybody. Save for a few very special folks hiding in caves...

Yeah, keep a sharp eye out for moby's and trolls.

Black flag (no mercy) for them on this.

22 LeftJustAintRight  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:43:16am

I respect the man and the family
I respect all people
I just hope his illness does not get political

23 jamgarr  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:43:34am

re: #12 uncle_monkey

I think you know us better than that! I may not like him (at all) but would never wish this upon anybody. Save for a few very special folks hiding in caves...

But sattv4u2 said it well below - we must all be on watch for imposters

24 mean Gene  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:43:57am

One week of "Camelot" coming right up.

25 rwmofo  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:44:04am

re: #2 yochanan

refuah slama teddy i hope you get to enjoy a long retirement

Well said. Some of these old guys need to go fishing and golfing and enjoy their winter years. They can get spoiled by having a large staff to look after all their wants and needs and seem to make a career out of being pampered.

Go relax somewhere away from the cameras. Go ahead. Try it. We'll still remember you.

26 LoFlyer[deleted]  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:44:32am
27 JammieWearingFool  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:44:46am

re: #18 RedSoxNation

You may not like his politics (and I don't), but I met him once when I was younger and he was very nice to me, encouraging me to do my best in school and things like that. He has his many faults, but I hope he is okay...

I've crossed paths with him on several occasions at Baxters in Hyannis, back when he was still crushing the double Chivases. We mixed it up respectfully. He actually has a sense of humor.

28 mj  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:45:38am

Kennedy Falls Ill; Airlifted To Boston Hospital
BOSTON (CBS) %u2015 U.S. Senator Ted Kennedy was airlifted to a Boston hospital Saturday morning after falling ill at the Kennedy compound in Hyannisport, Mass., the Cape Cod Times reported.

He was first rushed to Cape Cod Hospital, and after being in the emergency room for two hours he was transferred to Massachusetts General Hospital, according to the Times.

It's unknown what the 76-year-old senator's medical condition is.

Kennedy was first elected in 1962 to finish the final two years of the Senate term of his brother, Senator John F. Kennedy.

Kennedy, who is the second most senior member of the Senate, has since been re-elected to seven full terms, representing Massachusetts for 43 years.

[Link: kdka.com...]

29 KGB  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:46:01am

While details are still sketchy, let's hope it's nothing serious. If it is serious, then best wishes for a full recovery.

30 filetandrelease  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:46:05am

I hope the ol' boy makes it alright. Perhaps he will retire after this and reflect on his views.

31 psaturn  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:46:33am

Prayer goes with him...hopefully he will change his politics...in time...to save America.

32 mean Gene  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:46:47am

re: #18 RedSoxNation

You may not like his politics (and I don't), but I met him once when I was younger and he was very nice to me, encouraging me to do my best in school and things like that. He has his many faults, but I hope he is okay...

I could lift that exact quote about the time I met Alan Greenspan, who is a distant relative.

33 ace38  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:47:07am

Like most here, I loathe his politics, but I wish him a heartfelt speedy recovery.

34 jcm  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:47:18am

If he is unable to resume office it's not going to change the balance in the Senate. The gov. is a (D).

So we won't see a fight over that.

35 itsspideyman  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:47:28am

This transends politics, it's a human being in trouble. Regardless of all affiliations that bind us as groups we all must remember one of the salient points that makes us human is compassion. Senator Kennedy is a family man, a Senator, and for those who believe a member of God's children. He and his family are in my prayers.

36 joegosox  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:47:30am

WHDH in Boston:

Unconfirmed report of a stroke.

37 Anna  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:48:01am

Roger that Charles and JCM.

Even when I disagree with Sen. Kennedy vehemently, he is still one of G_d's creations. Best wishes to a recovery.

38 missouri boy  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:48:37am

I certainly have never agreed with Senator Kennedy on anything...however I will include him and his family in my prayers today.

39 directorblue  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:49:07am

Same here. Couldn't disagree with his politics more, but hope he comes out of this okay.

40 jcm  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:49:18am

Thumbnail wiki bio.

Edward Moore "Ted" Kennedy (born February 22, 1932) is the senior United States Senator from Massachusetts and a member of the Democratic Party. In office since November 1962, Kennedy is the second-longest serving member of the Senate, after President pro tempore of the United States Senate Robert Byrd of West Virginia. [2][3] The most prominent living member of the Kennedy family, he is the younger brother of President John F. Kennedy and Senator Robert F. Kennedy, both of whom were assassinated, the former on November 22, 1963, the latter on June 5, 1968. He is also the father of Congressman Patrick J. Kennedy.
Ted Kennedy is a staunch advocate of liberal principles, and is one of the most influential and enduring icons of his party.
41 RedSoxNation  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:50:17am

re: #27 JammieWearingFool

I've crossed paths with him on several occasions at Baxters in Hyannis, back when he was still crushing the double Chivases. We mixed it up respectfully. He actually has a sense of humor.

Well said...

42 Varilux  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:50:30am

If he was Life-Flighted that's no good. I doubt it's just a precaution. =/

43 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:50:36am

Since I am not a Huffpo follower and since Ted is still a fellow human being.

I wish him the best of recoveries from what ail's him.

44 Anna  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:50:55am

LoFlyer, Safe your guns for another time okay? Thanks.

45 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:51:03am

I choose to keep silent.
I appreciate my LGF account a lot.

Just joking. I'm not a kosling, I don't enjoy other people's suffering as they do.
Huffnpuffn's not the lizard's style.
I pray he's all right in the end.

46 battletop2  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:51:11am

May God guide the hands and hearts of his doctors.

47 psaturn  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:51:43am

re: #45 MigueldowninMexico

Well hello Miguel ! Howaya !

48 RedSoxNation  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:52:28am

re: #26 LoFlyer

Respectful? What respect did Teddy show Mary-Jo after he drove off the bridge after having sex with her? I wish Ted Kennedy a speedy recovery but I do not feel inclined to give him any respect.

/flame-me!

Its not the time to be making these types of comments.

49 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:53:14am

re: #47 psaturn

Well hello Miguel ! Howaya !

Hello there saturn ;)
I'm fine here, how about you?

50 Thanos  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:53:18am

I wish him a speedy recovery, better our foes fall in the arena of ideas rather than to fate and mortality.

51 bkgodfrey  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:53:35am

[echo]
Can't stand the man's politics, but my thoughts and prayers are with him and his family, may he be ok.

52 psaturn  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:53:37am

re: #49 MigueldowninMexico

Fine too!

53 itellu3times  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:53:37am

re: #1 jcm

Here's to Ted's health, and his family's peace and strength.

Can't say it better.

54 LSD  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:54:01am

It's too soon, Ted.
Get well soon.

55 sattv4u2  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:54:16am

re: #42 Varilux

If he was Life-Flighted that's no good. I doubt it's just a precaution. =/

Cape Cod hospital is relatively small. He's been airlifted to Mass. General, one of the best hospitals in the northeast. Excellent facilities

56 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:54:35am
57 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:54:49am

re: #52 psaturn

Fine too!

Goody! ;)

58 psaturn  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:54:51am

re: #50 Thanos

I wish him a speedy recovery, better our foes fall in the arena of ideas rather than to fate and mortality.

or facing G-d on Judgement Day...

59 Anna  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:55:33am

Charles, clean up on post #56.

60 JammieWearingFool  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:55:36am

They said on MSNBC that CC Hospital may not be well equipped to handle stroke patients which may be why he was airlifted out of there. I thought they'd be better prepared since there are a lot of retirees in the area.

61 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:55:42am
62 JustAVoter  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:55:52am

Politics mean nothing to me when someone has their life on the line in a situation like this.

God bless, Mr. Kennedy.

63 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:56:26am
64 JammieWearingFool  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:57:08am

re: #56 ploome hineni

We all know that stuff. Let's keep it respectful here.

65 galloping granny  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:57:14am

He's been airlifted to Mass General.

66 mossley  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:57:34am

re: #26 LoFlyer

If that's the way you feel, you'd be more at home with the Kos kids or the Huffington Post. Wishing ill of anyone who is potentially very ill, no matter what you think of them personally, is the height of immaturity and hatefulness. It's not what this site is about.

67 galloping granny  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:57:41am

re: #56 ploome hineni

as well as having never worked a day in his life, because of his family wealth, amassed by his father ran whiskey during Prohibition

by running illegal liquor

Very true.

68 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:57:45am

OT: UN "human rights" commission to investigate US...
U.N. racism investigator to visit U.S. from Monday

A special U.N. human rights investigator will visit the United States this month to probe racism, an issue that has forced its way into the race to secure the Democratic Party's presidential nomination.

The United Nations said Doudou Diene would meet federal and local officials, as well as lawmakers and judicial authorities during the May 19-June 6 visit.

"The special rapporteur will...gather first-hand information on issues related to racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance," a U.N. statement said on Friday.

His three-week visit, at U.S. government invitation, will cover eight cities -- Washington D.C., New York, Chicago, Omaha, Los Angeles, New Orleans, Miami and San Juan, Puerto Rico.

Race has become a central issue in the U.S. election cycle because Sen. Barack Obama, the frontrunner in the battle for the Democratic nomination battle, stands to become the country's first African American president.

His campaign has increased turnout among black voters but has also turned off some white voters in a country with a history of slavery and racial segregation.


Yes, of course Doudou is a Muslim.

69 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:57:49am
70 LoFlyer  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:57:56am

re: #44 Anna

LoFlyer, Safe your guns for another time okay? Thanks.

71 uncle_monkey  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:59:00am

I see that Charles got this up fully 7 minutes before KOS, and nothing yet at Huffpo (breaking news & opinion). They're probably figuring out how to spin that it was Rove's fault.

72 hermeneutics  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:59:35am

And its not on Drudge, yet.

73 JammieWearingFool  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:00:19am

re: #68 Killgore Trout

OT: UN "human rights" commission to investigate US...
U.N. racism investigator to visit U.S. from Monday

A special U.N. human rights investigator will visit the United States this month to probe racism, an issue that has forced its way into the race to secure the Democratic Party's presidential nomination.


Yes, of course Doudou is a Muslim.

Well, he's visiting a bunch of liberal Democrat cities, and he'll certainly find them to be hotbeds of bigotry.

74 JammieWearingFool  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:00:56am

re: #71 uncle_monkey

I see that Charles got this up fully 7 minutes before KOS, and nothing yet at Huffpo (breaking news & opinion). They're probably figuring out how to spin that it was Rove's fault.

Are the Kos Kidz projecting yet?

75 galloping granny  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:01:02am

re: #69 ploome hineni

I did not wish him ill

just ceaned up a quote

I would never wish Ted ill. He has not looked good in some time. As far as his pecadillos, well - none of us is perfect. I don't like his politics and the Kennedy's are not the blue bloods they so often present as, but they have been very influential in Massachusetts for close on to a century. Perhaps it is time for him to retire.

76 LeftJustAintRight  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:01:30am

re: #72 hermeneutics

And its not on Drudge, yet.


I heard on FOX News

77 VegasRick  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:01:43am

re: #68 Killgore Trout

OT: UN "human rights" commission to investigate US...
U.N. racism investigator to visit U.S. from Monday

A special U.N. human rights investigator will visit the United States this month to probe racism, an issue that has forced its way into the race to secure the Democratic Party's presidential nomination.


Yes, of course Doudou is a Muslim.

You cannot even make this stuff up!

78 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:02:05am

re: #68 Killgore Trout

So much for the 'post racial' candidate...

79 uncle_monkey  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:02:06am

re: #74 JammieWearingFool

Are the Kos Kidz projecting yet?

Actually, there was one strange comment: "bleh". Hmmm...

80 debutaunt  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:03:04am

re: #24 mean Gene

One week of "Camelot" coming right up.

What do the simple folk do?

81 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:03:20am
82 jones  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:03:23am

re: #26 LoFlyer

Respectful? What respect did Teddy show Mary-Jo after he drove off the bridge after having sex with her? I wish Ted Kennedy a speedy recovery but I do not feel inclined to give him any respect.

/flame-me!

Then say nothing.

83 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:03:39am

re: #73 JammieWearingFool
Heh, good point.

84 LeftJustAintRight  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:03:44am

re: #68 Killgore Trout

A special U.N. human rights investigator will visit the United States this month to probe racism, an issue that has forced its way into the race to secure the Democratic Party's presidential nomination.


I question the timing
I bet Obama is behind this
He is saving his race card for after the investigation

85 galloping granny  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:04:01am

re: #81 ploome hineni

he comes from a hard drinking, rough talking, fast living family

the image is very different from the reality

be that as it may...

I am sure he is getting very good care

Mass General is one of the best in the world.

86 mean Gene  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:04:07am

CNN (I just checked it briefly) is doing his entire bio.
When I checked in they were back in the 1960's when he was helping John get elected.
The term "Camelot" was on the bottom of the screen.

87 Cognito  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:04:08am

re: #78 Oh no...Sand People!

So much for the 'post racial' candidate...

This won't likely be good for Obama. The American people won't take kindly to some fellow from the UN coming in to make pronouncements about racism.

88 Mike in Georgia  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:04:20am

I voted for his brother way back when. All I will say about
Ted is get well soon.

89 galloping granny  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:04:44am

re: #84 LeftJustAintRight

I question the timing
I bet Obama is behind this
He is saving his race card for after the investigation

I wonder if they are going to stand in our voting booths and prosecute any of us who do not vote for Obamessiah as racists?

90 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:04:50am

re: #84 LeftJustAintRight

I think it's the UN's way of influencing the election.

91 Boogberg  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:04:52am

He's a duly elected member of the US Senate and a human being with a family. That's good enough for me. Speedy recovery, Senator.

92 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:05:00am

Although I don't idolize the Kennedy family as some do, I do pity them for suffering the family tragedies they have.

His family members are going through a very tough time waiting to see how things go. They have my sympathy.

93 Biff  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:05:04am

I met Teddy at the airport in Pittsburgh. He was on the way home from the Dolphin-Niner Super Bowl. He was pretty beat from the long day but took the time to share a story about a mutual friend. I've always thought he was a good person and would have certainly made a better president than Jimmah. It's unfortunate that his leftist politics became so shrill over the last twenty years, but so have his party's congressional representatives in general. Nice guy who has been through a lot of turmoil and pain in his life, but certainly knew how to have a good time. I was friends with his family in Connecticut, very, very nice people. I wish them all hope and G-d's blessings.

94 The Other Les  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:05:08am

I shall decline to comment.

95 galloping granny  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:05:26am

re: #87 Cognito

This won't likely be good for Obama. The American people won't take kindly to some fellow from the UN coming in to make pronouncements about racism.

The United Nations Human Rights Commission has no place in the United States of America.

96 Carolyn  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:05:47am

All I can say is I don't wish him harm.
Prayers for hurt or harm come back on the one who prays harm.

Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
97 jcm  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:06:24am

Koskiddies are already heading down the troofer path

What would happen in two hours (1+ / 0-)
that made them decide he needed to be transferred to Mass. General?

Anyone? My mind is racing with all sorts of possibilities.

A ship adrift in a sea of rhetoric & recycled clichés.

by Terre on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:01:09 AM PDT
[ Parent ]


It real simple his condition requires the top flight services at Mass. Gen.
No need for "all sorts of possibilities."

98 kynna  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:06:35am

My mom just told me about this and the glee in her voice made me sick. Hate is contagious and although this man infuriates me like few others, I know how terrifying it must be to feel a stroke come on and I don't wish that on anyone.

99 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:06:41am
100 LeftJustAintRight  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:06:44am

re: #89 galloping granny

I wonder if they are going to stand in our voting booths and prosecute any of us who do not vote for Obamessiah as racists?


They will try
And I think they will try the Supreme Court and get him placed on the ticket somehow

101 lostlakehiker  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:06:58am

re: #26 LoFlyer

A sense of propriety? This isn't the occasion for bringing up faults and grievances.

102 itellu3times  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:07:01am

re: #24 mean Gene

One week of "Camelot" coming right up.

And his party inherited by Morgan Le Fey and Mordred Hussein Osama Obama.

103 infidelia  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:07:06am

Oh dear, another Kennedy Weekend.

There are few -- very few -- things I agree with him about. But Ted is a "survivor" and I wish him luck one more time. He doesn't seem to have taken much care of his health, but he will at least have the best medical care available here in Boston.

104 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:07:08am

At age 76, a Stroke is no Joke. Get well as best you can Senator.

-S-

105 missouri boy  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:07:10am

re: #95 galloping granny

The United Nations Human Rights Commission has no place in the United States of America.

The entire UN has no place in the USA.

106 mj  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:07:11am

re: #95 galloping granny

The United Nations Human Rights Commission has no place in the United States of America.

Fixed it.

107 kiwiviv  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:07:43am

Hmmm...has Karl Rove been up to something?

Seriously...prayers for kennedy and family.

108 Swebbie[deleted]  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:08:17am
109 itsspideyman  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:08:25am

Took a trip to read what the Koslings are saying. Most compassionate, but several soap-box climbers. One guy furious that Pat Buchanan would dare say something nice about him.

Sorry, not intending to ramp this up. I wish Senator Kennedy a speedy recovery.

110 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:08:39am
111 angst  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:09:44am

Cape Code Hospital has Primary Stroke Center certification, which is not easy to get and means he got first-class care while there. I suspect he was air-lifted out after starting the clot-busters because of his high profile or simply because he's in really bad shape. I do hope it's not the latter. Whatever one might think of his politics, he's seen enough tragedy to last several lifetimes.

112 galloping granny  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:10:02am

re: #97 jcm

Koskiddies are already heading down the troofer path

What would happen in two hours (1+ / 0-)
that made them decide he needed to be transferred to Mass. General?


It real simple his condition requires the top flight services at Mass. Gen.
No need for "all sorts of possibilities."

I can answer that quite easily. Medical care in Massachusetts is set up so that there are small community hospitals that handle pretty ordinary stuff, larger regional hospitals that handle not quite so ordinary stuff and a few big hospitals that handle major emergencies. Cape Cod Hospital is a not-quite-so-ordinary. They triage and ship folks in dire straits off to the big centers with lots of resources and lots of specialists.

If Ted were an ordinary person, then one might conclude that he was in fairly critical condition to have been transferred to Mass General. Because he is a US Senator and a Kennedy, he might not be in quite such dire circumstances.

113 psaturn  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:11:06am

re: #73 JammieWearingFool

Well, he's visiting a bunch of liberal Democrat cities, and he'll certainly find them to be hotbeds of bigotry.

Now THAT is ironic...

114 Mike in Georgia  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:11:16am

re: #110 ploome hineni

I see we are on the same page.

115 Cognito  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:11:25am

re: #95 galloping granny

The United Nations Human Rights Commission has no place in the United States of America.

Indeed. If they're down to sniffing out problems in America, I assume they've solved all the problems in, say, Rwanda. And Algeria. And Haiti. And Iran. And Kyrgyzstan. And in Saudi Arabia. And in Russia. And China.

And so forth.

116 LeftJustAintRight  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:11:30am

re: #68 Killgore Trout

I wonder if they are going to stand in our voting booths and prosecute any of us who do not vote for Obamessiah as racists?


Holy Cow Batman !
Jackson and Sharpton are going to have help getting Obama elected and securing their jobs as race baiters

117 shibumi  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:11:51am

re: #81 ploome hineni

he comes from a hard drinking, rough talking, fast living family

the image is very different from the reality

be that as it may...

I am sure he is getting very good care

At least this happened in the U.S., where we have real medical care. It would be unfortunate for anyone to fall seriously ill in a foreign-or worse yet- third world country.

Hope the stroke diagnosis turns out to be premature and it turns out to be nothing serious for everyone's sake.

118 Capt_Faust  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:12:00am

Not a big fan of his socialist policies...

But unlike the leftists at Kos, I still look my political rivals (Mr. Kennedy) as Americans first and foremost.

With me, politics stops at the waters edge, and I do hope he gets better.

/ the Capt.

119 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:12:18am

re: #115 Cognito

Indeed. If they're down to sniffing out problems in America, I assume they've solved all the problems in, say, Rwanda. And Algeria. And Haiti. And Iran. And Kyrgyzstan. And in Saudi Arabia. And in Russia. And China.

And so forth.

Cog, you are making a lot of sense lately. Where did you put the real one?

/

120 galloping granny  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:12:49am

re: #117 shibumi

At least this happened in the U.S., where we have real medical care. It would be unfortunate for anyone to fall seriously ill in a foreign-or worse yet- third world country.

Hope the stroke diagnosis turns out to be premature and it turns out to be nothing serious for everyone's sake.

For now. If you have enough cash or enough insurance to pay for it.

121 uncle_monkey  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:13:18am

Comments on this at Huffpo just got closed after just a couple of minutes!

Shocked, simply shocked.

122 galloping granny  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:13:30am

re: #119 Oh no...Sand People!

Cog, you are making a lot of sense lately. Where did you put the real one?

/

Cog always has made sense now and then. Some folks have always just wanted to jump down his throat with both boots on before they heard what he had to say.

123 jcm  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:13:40am

re: #112 galloping granny

WA is pretty much the same. The top center being Harborview in Seattle.

124 Capt_Faust  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:13:57am

re: #121 uncle_monkey

Yes, aren't we all

/super sarc... :D

125 patrickafir  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:14:22am

I hope he's okay, despite the fact that Mary Jo Kopechne never made it to the hospital.

126 RedSoxNation  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:14:37am

re: #66 mossley

If that's the way you feel, you'd be more at home with the Kos kids or the Huffington Post. Wishing ill of anyone who is potentially very ill, no matter what you think of them personally, is the height of immaturity and hatefulness. It's not what this site is about.

I cannot agree more...If you cannot make a point without being respectful, it is not a point worth making...

127 galloping granny  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:14:46am

re: #123 jcm

WA is pretty much the same. The top center being Harborview in Seattle.

Yup, I'm familiar with Harborview.

128 BingoBunny  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:14:46am

One Obama superdelegate down.. Hillary has miles to go before she sleeps.

129 kayatribe  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:14:49am

Senator since the age of 30. Second most senior member. Served his country for a fifth of the republic's existence. I'm hoping for his strength and recovery.

130 schultzw  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:15:03am

re: #68 Killgore Trout

Uffda, that's some fodder right there! Don't suppose the almighty UN would ever look into allegations of ageism?

Dooodooo

131 psaturn  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:15:42am

re: #122 galloping granny

Cog always has made sense now and then. Some folks have always just wanted to jump down his throat with both boots on before they heard what he had to say.

I agree!

Waves hand at Cognito!

132 Boogberg  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:16:52am

re: #108 Swebbie

Karma can be a stern taskmaster.

Yes. It can.

133 missouri boy  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:17:11am

OT sorta
Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and Republicans are against deficits, we have deficits? Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, we have inflation and high taxes?
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

134 mr. neutron  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:17:44am

Reading through these respectful, mature comments must be making heads explode in the fever swamps.

135 abu_garcia  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:17:56am

May god have mercy on us all.

136 DistantThunder  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:18:19am

Teddy can be grateful he isn't sick under socialized healthcare. In the UK - people were waiting for days to be seen in emergency rooms. So UK lawmakers came up with a scheme that a person had to be seen within 3 hours of being unloaded from an ambulance. So of course, the government health care bureaucracy responded by not allowing the ambulances to unload their patients until they could guarantee that they were ready to be seen- instead, the the patients had to stay inside the ambulances lined up along the street - and of course, the ambulances were charging by the hour.

Kennedy is already a lucky man - just for living in the USA. This country has been very good to his family - and he owes us much.

Incidentally - in the UK they are minimizing health care to the obese and to smokers - Kennedy would be out of luck on that account too.

137 abu_garcia  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:18:33am

PIMF..."God"...

138 BingoBunny  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:18:37am

#133

Not really... ever heard of corrupt Policemen..

139 angst  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:18:51am

re: #117 shibumi

At least this happened in the U.S., where we have real medical care. It would be unfortunate for anyone to fall seriously ill in a foreign-or worse yet- third world country.

Hope the stroke diagnosis turns out to be premature and it turns out to be nothing serious for everyone's sake.

No kidding. That's why I get travel insurance that allows me to be airlifted back to the good old US of A at my discretion (not the discretion of the local doctor or the insurance company) whenever I leave here. For fifty bucks it's peace of mind. And bad things always happen to us on vacation. It's fate.

140 Cognito  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:19:01am

re: #108 Swebbie

I think that's a fine and honest opinion. There's a big difference between a rational decision to withhold sympathy, and a gleeful appreciation of suffering. The latter is the thing that's unworthy of posting.

141 MandyManners  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:19:11am

re: #121 uncle_monkey

Comments on this at Huffpo just got closed after just a couple of minutes!

Shocked, simply shocked.

Why did they close? There isn't anything bad posted.

142 AZinfidel  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:20:08am

A stroke is very treatable if caught early, and that seems to be the case.

And Sen. Kennedy is a tough old bird, no doubt.

He'll be OK.

143 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:20:18am

I hope he recovers regardless of his politics.

144 BingoBunny[deleted]  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:22:20am
145 LeftJustAintRight  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:24:20am

re: #133 missouri boy

Is that you Rush ?

146 galloping granny  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:24:40am

re: #142 AZinfidel

A stroke is very treatable if caught early, and that seems to be the case.

And Sen. Kennedy is a tough old bird, no doubt.

He'll be OK.

Depends on what kind of stroke it is.

147 ironbill  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:25:08am

This thread is an excellent example why LGF and lizards are of superior composition.

Almost throughout, the comments are respectful and decent. While there are a couple honest references to his obvious failings in life (and the awful consequences of his politics) nobody wishes harm; only health.

This is why we are better.

I'm proud to be a registered lizard.

148 Dahveed  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:25:13am

I have no doubt that Ted Kennedy loves his country. I believe he wants nothing but the best for his country, though I may disagree with the way he wants it. Ultimately it's just politics. I hope he gets well soon.

149 Charles  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:25:18am

re: #140 Cognito

I think that's a fine and honest opinion.

No, it wasn't.

I was not kidding. If you can't restrain yourself from dumping on Ted Kennedy while he's sick, don't post here.

150 Logic  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:26:00am

My thoughts and prayers go out to Ted Kennedy and his entire family. May he live to enjoy a long and well-deserved retirement in good health and peace.

God Bless...

151 brickthruplateglasswindow[deleted]  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:26:43am
152 Lizard by the Bay  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:27:05am

I pray for the bastard, and hope for the family's sake that he pulls through.

153 Sharmuta  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:27:23am

My thoughts and prayers for Senator Kennedy's children.

154 ackomanyuki  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:28:00am

re: #103 infidelia

Oh dear, another Kennedy Weekend.

There are few -- very few -- things I agree with him about. But Ted is a "survivor" and I wish him luck one more time. He doesn't seem to have taken much care of his health, but he will at least have the best medical care available here in Boston.

I thought the best medical care was in Cananda.

155 nyc redneck  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:28:07am

i really admire you lizards and your kind words for tk.

156 NY Nana[deleted]  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:28:36am
157 Sharmuta  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:28:51am

What is wrong with some of you people?

158 right_wing2  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:29:49am

Thoughts & prayers out to the Kennedy family, and to Ted.

159 Carolyn  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:30:19am

re: #68 Killgore Trout
I wonder if the "investigator" will investigate whether BHO and his crew are racists?

160 DistantThunder  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:30:39am

Will the NYT's now do another story on the evils of obesity?

Ted Kennedy

What is so insidious about socialist healthcare and strokes is that doctors know about the 'golden hour' of care, the first hour after the symptoms, making a huge difference in outcome. However, if a patient can't get treated in that first hour, due to a dysfunctional socialist system - then the outcome deteriorates significantly.

Politicians seem not to care about this.

161 jones  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:30:43am

re: #156 NY Nana

You are a guest here. The host has asked a simple favor. Respect your host. Say nothing.

162 ajackson  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:30:52am

I wish Senator Kennedy a speedy recovery and hope he continues to annoy us for years to come.

163 BingoBunny  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:32:18am

Sorry Charles.. I won't mention Kennedy failings again.. Praying for my enemies is something I do daily.

164 RickZ[deleted]  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:32:52am
165 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:33:30am

I don't want to turn this into a Huffington Post thread so I'll just say nothing.

166 NY Nana  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:33:56am

re: #153 Sharmuta

My thoughts and prayers for Senator Kennedy's children.

Same here.

167 victor_yugo  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:33:57am

re: #157 Sharmuta

What is wrong with some of you people?

Some people here are willing to risk their accounts over a matter that has festered in their souls for a long, long time.

168 calcajun  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:34:23am

Don't like his politics, but I wish the man well and hope he recovers soon.

169 NY Nana  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:35:28am

re: #149 Charles

Sorry, Charles.

170 AuntAcid  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:35:45am

You can hope, wish and pray if it makes you feel better, but "things" always resolve themselves when and how they are meant to. To profess otherwise is folly with a goodly dab of affectation.

171 deesine  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:36:15am

re: #151 brickthruplateglasswindow

May his medical care be proportionate to the dislike I hold for him.

Ok, made me think, then laugh.

172 looking closely  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:37:03am

I'm no fan of Ted Kennedy personally or professionally, and I confess, I would like to see him out of the Senate. I won't cry if he can't return to office.

But I certainly wish the man no ill will, and hopes he makes a full recovery (regardless of his politics or position).

The celebs being treated at MGH isn't a new thing. (They don't call it "Man's Greatest Hospital" for nothing). I was actually right there when Kerry was ushered in for some sort of elbow procedure four years ago during election season.

173 panamahat  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:37:09am

re: #50 Thanos

Perfectly said

174 psaturn  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:37:29am

re: #165 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican

I don't want to turn this into a Huffington Post thread so I'll just say nothing.

They already closed the Comments section...so no one can comment anything anyway!

175 kingronjo  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:37:57am

lets face it, hes an overweight, former heavy drinker and smoker (former?) who is 76 years old. Doesn't matter if he is a Repub or Dem, that is not a prescription for a happy outcome.

Now, if I was a Kossak I would look at this thread nad not only think Charles is deleting the profanity, but erasing the comments and not leaving the numbers.

Cuz on Kos now if this was, say, Jesse Helms (can any one think of a real ral bogey man conservative Senator right now the way Helms was caricatured? Have conservative Republicans all but disappeared in the Senate?) they'd be on 10,000 and 9,999 would have the words "burn", "***" and 'Hell' in them. At the least.

176 angst  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:38:01am

re: #160 DistantThunder

Will the NYT's now do another story on the evils of obesity?

Ted Kennedy

What is so insidious about socialist healthcare and strokes is that doctors know about the 'golden hour' of care, the first hour after the symptoms, making a huge difference in outcome. However, if a patient can't get treated in that first hour, due to a dysfunctional socialist system - then the outcome deteriorates significantly.

Politicians seem not to care about this.

"Time is brain." But a socialist could easily rationalize that the target population is just a drain on society anyway. I'd hate to run a cost-effectiveness analysis on stroke care, but you can bet someone somewhere has. And it's a huge number in the red.

177 korla pundit[deleted]  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:39:45am
178 Charles  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:39:49am

If I have to delete one more comment, despite two warnings now, accounts are going to be blocked.

179 Richard Romano  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:40:31am

God bless Sen. Kennedy, a speedy recovery.

180 Catttt  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:40:58am

I'm very sorry to hear of this and hope he makes a full recovery.

He's at high risk, since he had blocked artery surgery last year, but I'm still surprised, for some reason.

I, of course, would not vote for him, but that's different.

181 EC Marm  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:41:53am

I wish Sen. Kennedy a long retirement giving him plenty of time to dwell on his past and opportunity to make amends for his all too human failings.

182 DistantThunder  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:42:19am

re: #176 angst

"Time is brain." But a socialist could easily rationalize that the target population is just a drain on society anyway. I'd hate to run a cost-effectiveness analysis on stroke care, but you can bet someone somewhere has. And it's a huge number in the red.

Exactamundo! Our canadian friend is 85 in good health, but needs knee surgery - the socialist canadian bureaucracy has told her SORRY - you're too old - we don't spend for that. But she's in severe pain? Too bad - try America.

Filthy cold-hearted socialists.

183 gterz66  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:43:06am

A proud day to be a Lizard... I join in the strident disagreement with virtually everything the man stands for politically but wish him as speedy recovery. I am also heartened to see the discourse civil and respectful... unlike a few other political blogs that huzzah every time Dick Cheney sneezes.

184 mean Gene  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:43:21am

My mom's stroke took ten days simply to be stabilized back in 1990.
But once that happened she recovered and rehabilitated.
She was even driving and walking without a cane.
This after total left-side paralysis...including tongue and one eye.
Ted can pull through if he lets the doctors do all they can.
Things have really improves in the years between.

185 Shaky Louie  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:44:48am

re: #147 ironbill

This thread is an excellent example why LGF and lizards are of superior composition.

Almost throughout, the comments are respectful and decent. While there are a couple honest references to his obvious failings in life (and the awful consequences of his politics) nobody wishes harm; only health.

This is why we are better.

I'm proud to be a registered lizard.


Well said. Which is why I posted this on the open ( and now, presumably dead), Friday night open thread.

With that... off to breakfast!

186 galloping granny  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:45:36am

re: #182 DistantThunder

Exactamundo! Our canadian friend is 85 in good health, but needs knee surgery - the socialist canadian bureaucracy has told her SORRY - you're too old - we don't spend for that. But she's in severe pain? Too bad - try America.

Filthy cold-hearted socialists.

That is why I got a bit perturbed a few days back at that "official" list of who would and would not be treated in a major medical emergency here in the US put out by the government recently. Just one little step from "emergency triage" to everyday "cost effective" care.

187 SpartanWoman  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:46:28am

Get well soon, TK.

188 looking closely  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:46:29am

re: #175 kingronjo

lets face it, hes an overweight, former heavy drinker and smoker (former?) who is 76 years old. Doesn't matter if he is a Repub or Dem, that is not a prescription for a happy outcome.


Respectfully, there isn't enough information out there to form a good opinion on his prognosis.

I doubt there will be until its clear what that prognosis is. His medical confidentiality will be guarded most carefully. When John Wayne went to the MGH for cancer treatment (I think his later lung cancer) there were literally reporters staked out in the lobbies and elevators hoping to catch some snippet of information for a story. They got NOTHING.

The initial reports suggest he has had a stroke.
Assuming that's true, he could come out of this perfectly fine. . .literally 100% Alternatively, he could die (or worse, end up like Ariel Sharon).
And everything in between is also possible.

We'll probably hear more within a few days. . .at the very least how serious it is, if not the specific details.

189 sngnsgt  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:46:31am

Godspeed Senator Kennedy.

190 galloping granny  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:47:29am

re: #184 mean Gene

My mom's stroke took ten days simply to be stabilized back in 1990.
But once that happened she recovered and rehabilitated.
She was even driving and walking without a cane.
This after total left-side paralysis...including tongue and one eye.
Ted can pull through if he lets the doctors do all they can.
Things have really improves in the years between.

Maybe not as well as your Mom did. One long recognized difference between men and women is that women tend to use both sides of their brains fairly equally while men tend to use mostly one side. This becomes very apparent after a stroke, when most women will regain most of what they lost with therapy and time but most men do not.

And again, it depends on the kind of stroke.

191 dwb  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:47:38am

Best wishes for the senator and his family.

192 newton  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:48:17am

Well, I hope he survives this. Keep on ticking, Sen, Kennedy.

193 DistantThunder  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:48:41am

Please define "Evil drug companies"

Is it one that makes the drugs, or one that makes you pay for the drugs?

194 right_wing2  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:49:09am

Nice thread, for the most part. Lizards have far more class than the moonbats ever will.

195 RememberSekhmet?  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:49:16am

I only wish political failure upon my enemies. When ill health strikes, I pray his doctors have the skill and guidance of Imhotep Himself.

Strokes ain't fun, and they are not good news. But you can, with dtermination, biunce back. Cindy McCain did.

196 DownRightMeanAmerican  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:49:21am

I wonder if there is anything worse then being on your deathbed and your opponents do nothing but parade all your shortcomings about.

Its easy to define our opponents by their worst possible moments, yet I don’t not want to be defined by mine.

197 looking closely  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:49:43am

re: #193 DistantThunder

Please define "Evil drug companies"

Is it one that makes the drugs, or one that makes you pay for the drugs?

That would be every drug company that doen't give all its expensively manufactured and developed product away at cost.

In other words, all of them.

198 Macker  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:50:02am

I pray for Senator Kennedy and his family.
So Say We All.

199 mean Gene  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:50:03am

re: #190 galloping granny

Maybe not as well as your Mom did. One long recognized difference between men and women is that women tend to use both sides of their brains fairly equally while men tend to use mostly one side. This becomes very apparent after a stroke, when most women will regain most of what they lost with therapy and time but most men do not.

And again, it depends on the kind of stroke.

That's very interesting, GG.
My mom's side of the family were tailors. They could cut material with both hands at once!
It was wild to see as a little girl.
Wilder to try to emulate.
But, you're right in our family's case.
I use either hand equally easily and well.
Hubby is right-handed only.
Same with a brother or two.

200 right_wing2  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:50:24am

re: #193 DistantThunder

The ones that make you pay for them. They should risk hundreds of millions, if not billions, of dollars and just pass it out for free.

//

201 joegosox  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:51:27am

The Senator was to attend a lunch for a charity devoted to mentally handicapped kids today.

[Link: www.bestbuddies.org...]

I disagree with most everything he stands for politically, but this is where we separate the politics from the man.

202 Kong_an563  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:52:07am

Reality knocks on the door of the baby boomer generation.

Is anyone home? or are they at the mall?

203 Dotcoman  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:52:39am

Not to be disrespectful here, but off hand anyone here remember which campaign it was that Tedd Kennedy negotiated with the Soviet KGB to help him smear his opponent?

It came up in the news coverage yesterday over the OBambi Appeasement "if the shoe fits wear it" flap.

204 snowcrash  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:55:39am

Get well soon Teddy. Please reconsider the importance of sailing vs. the windmill farm in Nantucket Sound.

205 jackfetch  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:56:02am

Here's wishing Sen. Kennedy has a long, healthy and happy retirement.

206 piraticalbob  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:56:16am

Best wishes for a speedy recovery and happy retirement to Senator Kennedy.

Best I could do, Charles. Sorry.

207 Sharmuta  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:56:36am

re: #195 RememberSekhmet?

Kind of like Paul Wellstone- it just wasn't the way I wanted to see him lose his seat.

The Kennedy's have had plenty of tragedies to deal with- I feel sorry for the kids.

208 Red_State_Envy  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:56:47am

Like my beautiful Mother says, “if you can’t say something nice about a person, say nothing at all”. Therefore, I submit two things I greatly admire about the Senior Senator from Massachusetts:

1. He’s Irish -- how can you top that?!
2. He has a dog, named "Slash". My little girl loves dogs!

Seriously, I said a prayer for all of today’s stroke victims, which covers Ted as well.

209 Boogberg  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:57:22am

As far as Ted Kennedy's politics go, perhaps it's the majority of voters in Massachusetts who should be held accountable. They're the ones who keep electing him knowing full well where he stands on issues.

210 AuntAcid  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:57:35am

re: #203 Dotcoman

Ted was undermining President Carter for whatever reason.

211 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, May 17, 2008 9:58:49am

One thing I've come to learn over time is that the same God that judges those I feel to be my enemies will one day judge me. I'll be in need of His Mercy on that day as will everyone that stands before Him. I'm far from a perfect man. I'm sure the same can be said about Mr. Kennedy. I'm more than willing to let the Eternal Judge have the final say in Mr. Kennedy's life. I have a full time job trying to do right in my own life,and I'm falling much farther short of what I had planned to do than I ever imagined. I bet if everyone was honest about it,they could say much the same thing.

So,having said all of that,I really do wish Senator Kennedy a full and speedy recovery.

212 Shr_Nfr  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:00:12am

I do not believe in capital punishment even for psychopaths (Kennedy is not one btw), so I wish him the best of luck when he recovers as much as he may and then retires. It will make little difference in MA. They could run Satan (or Iblis) himself under the Democratic label and he/she would get elected. In many ways this is a non-event except for Kennedy and his family. I wish him a speedy recovery or a speedy demise. Being caught in the in between land of marginal functionality is a form of hell. The fortunate thing is that the brain is fairly plastic. They have had quite a bit of success in immobilizing the "good" half of the person's body (the part not effected by the stroke) and then having the brain begin to rewire itself to use the part that was effected. Sort of the same situation as "lazy eye" where they patch over the "good" eye and force the brain to use the less functional one rather than just having the brain turn it off permanently. Recovery is possible even if the stroke is fairly severe. My dad had one in his 80s that left him dyslexic for 6 months. For a guy whose life was reading at that point in his life, it was a disaster. But the function returned and he drove my mother bats trying to find rare and obscure books to read.

We all die sooner or later. As much as I dislike the gentleman in question, I hope for him it is later and rapid. I have seen too many of the "walking dead" with severe brain damage or Alzheimer's to wish it on anyone.

213 Catttt  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:00:55am

It's worth noting that Sentor Kennedy is a fighter. His back was broken in a plane crash when he was 35, and he overcame that and worked hard to do so. I don't like the odds this time, but the odds weren't swell when he had a broken back, either. My best wishes to him for a recovery, knowing it is fully possible when you have a fighter and excellent medical care (which America has).

214 NY Nana  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:01:14am

He has a past history...last Oct. he had surgery for an almost total blockage of his left carotid artery.

I worked as a private nurse in the early 1960's at MGH..it is one of the very best in the country...Harvard Med. affiliated.

215 Catttt  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:01:41am

re: #202 Kong_an563

Reality knocks on the door of the baby boomer generation.

Is anyone home? or are they at the mall?

At Kitty Hawk learning to hang glide. :D

216 trailortrash  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:04:12am

prayers to the kennedys

217 antishock8  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:04:26am

I don't the gentleman's politics or the circumstances around Chappaqua, but I hope he has a full recovery and I wish his family the best.

218 sifty  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:05:47am

It will take more than a little stroke to knock the Teflon Kennedy out of office. He will probably be giving my grandkids heartburn after I'm gone.

May all your medical staff be devout Democrats.
Get well soon Ted.

219 psyop  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:06:15am

I truly hope he is okay.

One of the great things about America is the concept that political disagreements do not need to lead to actual hatred (and certainly not violence).

I am not looking forward to the endless dredging up of his long career by the MSM, it will feel like cheap exploitation.

Ah well, what else can we expect?

220 Red_State_Envy  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:06:28am

As Ted navigates his way ACROSS THE BRIDGE to better health, let’s hope that he’s not feeling OVERLY TAXED. May he find AMNESTY from his troubles, and may the custoMARY JOy that we all enjoy be upon him. Let’s be thankful that he won’t be subject to the SOCIALIZED HEALTHCARE SYSTEM that is likely to be bequeathed upon my children.

221 NY Nana  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:07:53am

re: #215 Cattt

Cattt,

I am 70, and am not a baby boomer, but I don't play one on TV, either.

My oldest son, born in '63, is the only baby boomer in the family.

222 victor_yugo  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:08:02am

Still nothing on Drudge. I wonder what gives? Maybe just because it's Saturday...

223 jainphx  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:08:43am

re: #97 jcm

You have to stabilize a patient before you transfer, this could be just that or it could mean more. Just have to wait and see. Prayers for his survival, but retirement I think is in his best interest.

224 victor_yugo  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:10:41am

re: #223 jainphx

There's also the security detail to deal with. That may have a lot to do with his transfer to a larger hospital.

225 Uncle Sticky  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:10:42am

Good luck, Teddy. You're heart was always in the right place. Always pleasant to folks when I saw you in person.

226 galloping granny  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:11:14am

re: #221 NY Nana

Cattt,

I am 70, and am not a baby boomer, but I don't play one on TV, either.

My oldest son, born in '63, is the only baby boomer in the family.

NY Nana, the baby boom was LONG over by 63! The baby boom generation is 45-55, though some put the end of it at 54.

227 Susan2  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:12:39am

Baby Bre: #226 galloping granny

Baby boomers are defined as those born between 1946 and 1964.

228 angst  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:14:09am

re: #186 galloping granny

That is why I got a bit perturbed a few days back at that "official" list of who would and would not be treated in a major medical emergency here in the US put out by the government recently. Just one little step from "emergency triage" to everyday "cost effective" care.

Fortunately that is just a guideline (I can tell you my hospital will ignore it, it's run by real Catholics) but i agree it's veeery creepy. It's like the difference between Cain and Adama on Battlestar Galactica. Utilitarian calculations may help society live physically but die spiritually, which then actually means we weren't worth saving after all.

229 Dad O' Blondes  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:15:55am

Here's wishing Senator Kennedy a full and speedy recovery.

.

230 galloping granny  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:16:14am

re: #227 Susan2

Baby B

Baby boomers are defined as those born between 1946 and 1964.

Not in any scenario I have ever seen and I am one. A generation is 10 years. Given the times, many of the children born in 1964 could very well have been children of those born in 1946.

The Baby Boom was a particular even that took place at the end of WWII resulting in a huge increase in the number of children that were born. That had returned to normal by 55.

If somebody is selling you on the 64 date, this is an attempt to rewrite history, to make there seem like there are more of us hankering for your social security dollars than there are.

231 Wendya  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:16:50am

re: #203 Dotcoman

Not to be disrespectful here, but off hand anyone here remember which campaign it was that Tedd Kennedy negotiated with the Soviet KGB to help him smear his opponent?

Ted Kennedy contacted the KGB in an attempt to derail President Reagan's foreign policy and his reelection.

232 shanec99  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:17:23am

Look, let us hope him a speedy return and a long life in retirement. The guy has been a part of American politics for at least decades and he has worked on some important legislation that made America better. I can think of the Americans with Disability Act... an important piece of legislation.

Sure the guy has annoyed me sometimes, and I think the world has passed by the time when he was relevant to American politics, but that is OK. His politics was stuck in the past, let us wish the old guy well.

Best wishes Teddy, have a successful recovery.

233 Canuck542  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:17:24am

Unfortunately death is a part of all of our lives. I do wish that Ted recovers, but it may be safe to say this may be the first day of his retirement. What I liked about Ted was his ability to work with both sides of the political spectrum and at times compromise. My biggest fear is who will replace him.

234 realwest  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:19:29am

Ah crap. Just got in from doing chores, saw on my news ticker that Senator Kennedy was rushed to hospital with symptoms of a stroke and immediately put it in the next thread's spinoff links.
Yep, no way to really beat Charles to the hot news of the day!

235 NoSubmission  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:19:51am

I've worked with his ex-wife Joan in the past. A lovely lady.
Here's to the Senator's recovery.

236 jamsler  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:19:57am

I hope his recovery is swift, his retirement from politics immediate and complete, his golden years long.

237 Shr_Nfr  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:22:16am

It should be noted that Kennedy had an operation on his carotid artery recently. From the UK Telegraph:

'Mr Kennedy had preventive surgery in Boston in October to unclog a partially blocked carotid artery in his neck.

The blockage was discovered during a routine check of Mr Kennedy’s back and spine, doctors said. A blocked carotid artery can lead to a stroke and death.

The doctor who operated on Mr Kennedy said at the time that surgery is reserved for those with more than 70 percent blockage, and Kennedy had "a very high-grade blockage."'

A 70%+ sludge factor in that artery is not a good sign. While the operation does have an overall rate of success, sludge there means sludge other places. I am no MD, but I do not think this is a hopeful case.

238 NoSubmission  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:23:33am

Come to think of it, I've also worked with one of his nephew's wives, Sheila Rauch Kennedy, and Jackie O. as well. Troubled but gracious people, nevertheless.

239 cblesz  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:24:07am

I grew up in Massachusetts. Cannot stand the man's politics. But, I have heard he has a sense of humor and will compromise with the other side to get things done (unlike Barry Obama). That family has gone through tremendous tragedies. I wish Senator Kennedy well.

240 shane[deleted]  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:25:54am
241 RedSoxNation  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:26:35am

re: #222 victor_yugo

Still nothing on Drudge. I wonder what gives? Maybe just because it's Saturday...

I know, Drudge must be fishing...

242 livefreeor die  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:27:04am

Best wishes to him and his family.

243 RedSoxNation  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:27:59am

re: #240 shane

So Ted,
How is Mary Jo?

Grow up...This is not the time for these jokes. Go to the Daily Kos if you want to be a jerk...

244 jaynumber13  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:28:20am

Growing up in MA, I had the chance to shake hands with him once. Was a great guy.

And, like most everyone here, I do not like his politics but I definitely pray for a quick recovery, speedy retirement, and a lengthy and happy life.

245 kingronjo  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:29:11am

#230 galloping granny

Baby boom has nothing to do with a 'generation' (which btw is 20 years, 10 year old humans don't reproduce). I have seen many times in many different models for varying purposes that the baby boom generation does in fact run from 1946-1964. Here are some of those places:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: www.aginghipsters.com...]

this last one is from the US Census bureau. Notice it is from 1990 and talks about Baby boomers, whose ages run from 26-44:

[Link: www.census.gov...]

As someone who was born in 59 I have always been called a baby boomer. As a matter of fact, yours is the first time I have ever seen anyone dispute that fact.

246 nofixedabode  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:29:50am

Of course, one hopes for the best. Well... at least decent humans will hope so. Can't help but think of the glee that erupted from the left upon the announcements of Alzheimer's and then the eventual death of both Reagan and Heston. Many committed leftists bragged about keeping a bottle of champaign in the fridge, ready to celebrate Reagan's passing. This from the party of compassion. You, know... the "good guys".

247 big L  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:32:03am

A lot of hmo's won't operate or treat unless there is 70% blockage of vessel. Not that Kennedy is in an HMO.

other than that why say anything else?

248 sngnsgt  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:34:30am

Best wishes to the Kennedy family.

249 NY Nana  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:34:41am

re: #226 galloping granny

From the article from the US Census Bureau that is in the post if you click 'baby boomer':

In 2006, the oldest of the baby boomers, the generation born between 1946 and 1964, will turn 60 years old. Among the Americans celebrating their 60th will be our two most recent presidents, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton. Other well-known celebrities reaching this milestone include Cher, Donald Trump, Sylvester Stallone and Dolly Parton. To commemorate this occasion, the Census Bureau has compiled a collection of facts relating to, perhaps, our most celebrated generation.

My oldest is a 'baby boomer'...daughter was born in Dec. 1965, so she and the other 2 younger sons have no such claim to fame. ;)

250 deacon  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:35:34am

My prayers to him and his family.

Hopefully it is merely a precaution, and at worst, only a mild infarction and he recovers quickly and fully.

251 NY Nana  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:36:26am

re: #244 jaynumber13

I grew up in Brighton and Newton...

252 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:37:31am

Strokes are not cool. I hope he recovers okay

253 talon_262  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:41:07am

While I certainly don't agree with Teddy's brand of politics, a stroke is something I'd never wish on anybody, because the outcome can range from a complete recovery to CVS/coma (like Ariel Sharon) or death. I certainly wish for a complete and speedy recovery for Senator Kennedy and send prayers to his family at their time of need.

254 NY Nana  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:43:04am

Bulletin on radio: MGH spokesman says no stroke, he suffered a 'seizure'.

255 MilkOfMalfeasance  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:43:36am

re: #254 NY Nana

Bulletin on radio: MGH spokesman says no stroke, he suffered a 'seizure'.

Foxnews (TV) Is saying the same thing as well.

256 snowcrash  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:46:17am

re: #254 NY Nana
Cape Cod Hospital couldn't evaluate and stabilize a seizure? Sounds like he is receiving a different standard of care than the average health care consumer would receive.

257 Vikingstar  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:46:24am

re: #208 Red_State_Envy

Like my beautiful Mother says, “if you can’t say something nice about a person, say nothing at all”. Therefore, I submit two things I greatly admire about the Senior Senator from Massachusetts:

1. He’s Irish -- how can you top that?!
2. He has a dog, named "Slash". My little girl loves dogs!

Seriously, I said a prayer for all of today’s stroke victims, which covers Ted as well.

I think that his dog is actually named "Splash" (no joke).

May Christ have mercy on him and his family.

258 Bill Dalasio  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:49:39am

While by all accounts his personal behaviors were often as repulsive as his politics, I will wish the man a speedy recovery and a long retirement.

259 Dustyvet  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:50:38am

re: #94 The Other Les

I shall decline to comment.

Same here...

260 sngnsgt  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:51:08am

Fox News just headline just said Sen Kennedy suffered a seizure. I'm an Epileptic, and it's always a frightening experience not only for me, but those who witness them also. I wish you well Senator Kennedy.

261 NY Nana  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:52:05am

re: #255 MilkOfMalfeasance

Now the radio says it was a Kennedy family spokesman..I just put the TV on Fox...Geraldine Ferraro. Ugh.

262 Shug  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:52:27am

re: #254 NY Nana

Bulletin on radio: MGH spokesman says no stroke, he suffered a 'seizure'.

seizure?

brain tumor
meningitis
alcohol related.
infectious

Let's hope it's something more benign. He is somebody's grandfather. We must hope for the best for him and his family
Glad to see the response here has been respectful.
But then I would expect no less from lizards.

263 MJ  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:52:34am

Kennedy Hospitalized After Suffering Seizure
Senator Underwent Surgery To Clear Major Neck Artery Last October
BOSTON (WBZ) %u2015 U.S. Senator Ted Kennedy was airlifted to a Boston hospital Saturday morning after suffering an apparent seizure at the Kennedy compound in Hyannisport, the senator's office said Saturday afternoon.
[Link: wbztv.com...]

264 jainphx  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:53:04am

re: #247 big L

Teddy Kennedy authored the HMO's authorization act.

265 Taqyia2Me  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:55:53am

Thoughts and prayers go out to TK and family.

266 NY Nana  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:56:16am

re: #256 snowcrash

I would say that he was transferred to MGH to make a definitive diagnosis, as they have superb facilities. SOP in the NE area, when needed. CT is closer to me, but Yale-New Haven is also superb, and NYC has a number of excellent hospitals. As a Boston native, who worked at MGH, I am partial to it.

I would hope that Joe Q. Citizen would be afforded the same in these circumstances.

267 Sounder  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:57:10am

I don't agree with his views but fully agree he must receive the best care available and may God Bless him and his family and wish him a speedy recovery.

268 NY Nana  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:57:38am

re: #262 Shug

Shug,

I was just going to mention the possibility of a brain tumor...he has had 2 seizures today.

269 MilkOfMalfeasance  Sat, May 17, 2008 10:57:43am

re: #261 NY Nana

Ya, she isn't my favorite either.

270 galloping granny  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:01:56am

re: #256 snowcrash

Cape Cod Hospital couldn't evaluate and stabilize a seizure? Sounds like he is receiving a different standard of care than the average health care consumer would receive.

What planet are you living on? This is not Canada and he is a US Senator that happens to be filthy rich and a Massachusetts icon. Of course he isn't receiving the same standard of care as the average joe.

271 NY Nana  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:03:35am

re: #260 sngnsgt

One of my DIL's has seizure disorder that was only diagnosed when our almost 6 year old granddaughter had a grand mal 2 years ago, and was rushed to a major med. center in NJ, that also specializes in diagnosing and treating epilepsy. She has had 2 since, and is on meds. They are considering taking her off the meds next month when she turns 6, as it is nearly 2 years since her last one.

My DIL 'spaces' out..but was never diagnosed until she was questioned re family history on her side and mentioned it.

Take care...be well!

272 Milk Toast Intolerant  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:04:01am

Get well soon, Senator.

273 Shug  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:04:14am

re: #270 galloping granny

What planet are you living on? This is not Canada and he is a US Senator that happens to be filthy rich and a Massachusetts icon. Of course he isn't receiving the same standard of care as the average joe.


and if I'm that ER doc on little ol cape cod and he has a mass or whatever, and my neurology consult is John Q Weekend Coverage, I want him the hell out of my emergency department ASAP.

It's called high profile patient and CYA and I'd rather not be second-guessed for the whole world even if I knew I could manage him myself.

274 Psaturn  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:06:53am

No news on Senator Kennedy at Drudge...strange.. you would think he would put it there?

275 uncle_monkey  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:08:24am

re: #175 kingronjo

One Kossack Komment:

Just had to take a look. Mostly respectful while blaming Kossacks and liberals for bad politics. A few outright haters, but generally I was pretty impressed that most of them have retained a sense of their humanity.

Many of them are over here reading what we have to say.

The read of the thread left me with one genreal impression. These people are like children being led around by Rush and Drudge. Very sad. But after reading, I do have a sense of hope that they don't really enjoy drowning kittens, they just do it for their bizarre sense of what's good of the country.

Yes, I hear and obey Rush. Operation Chaos. Yesss.
And Drudge, yes, must obey - click on advertisers.

Here kitty kitty, time for your bath!

276 Colonel Panik  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:09:35am

re: #203 Dotcoman

Not to be disrespectful here, but off hand anyone here remember which campaign it was that Tedd Kennedy negotiated with the Soviet KGB to help him smear his opponent?

It came up in the news coverage yesterday over the OBambi Appeasement "if the shoe fits wear it" flap.

IIRC it was the 1980 election. Carter vs. Reagan.

Needless to say the Ol' Sovietskii Soyuz was not sanguine about the prospect of President Reagan.

277 NY Nana  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:11:03am

re: #264 jainphx

As a retired RN with a number of MD's in my family? I think that act was the beginning of the end of decent medical care, and Shrillary totally deep sixed it.

3 of my cousins chose early retirement...all specialists.

My husband and I are both diabetics, and if I were not an RN? I do not think we would get the care we do, but even saying that, our Endocrinologist is part of what was a 2 man practice in Endocrinology..now they are 6, and have about 3 minutes to spend with a patient.

I would think that giving each American the same level of care that the US Congress gets and we pay for should be what every citizen gets; no more, no less.

278 NY Nana  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:12:33am

re: #273 Shug

Great post...and true.

279 Colonel Panik  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:13:26am

I don't much care for your politics, Teddy, but I'll drink to your health.

Hope you don't mind if it's Bushmills though, and not Jamison's.

280 Shug  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:14:37am

re: #278 NY Nana

Great post...and true.


if somebody wants to take care of senators and be trailed around by kids in short white coats they can take the pay cut and get a faculty appt

;)

281 Intrepid  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:15:03am

What could cause a seizure like this? News reports are that he was out walking the dogs at 7 am when the first one happened.

My mom had seizure like episodes when she had pulmonary emboli a couple of years ago. Doctor said it came from a clot being "flicked" from clots in the veins of her leg.

Regardless, my prayers and best wishes for the Senator, his wife Victoria, and his children Patrick, Ted Jr and Kara.

282 NY Nana  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:15:43am

Drudge does not have it, but Canadian TV does.

283 angst  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:16:26am

re: #273 Shug

and if I'm that ER doc on little ol cape cod and he has a mass or whatever, and my neurology consult is John Q Weekend Coverage, I want him the hell out of my emergency department ASAP.

It's called high profile patient and CYA and I'd rather not be second-guessed for the whole world even if I knew I could manage him myself.

Yeah, he's a gomer of the political type.
And I would like the diagnosis of a stroke better than new-onset seizures in an older man, for sure. Although it could still be a stroke (depending on where the family spokesman got his information), the alternative causes are not very good, and may be elusive. MGH is a good destination for him.

He might even have a greater chance of having Democrats for doctors there, sifty. Teaching hospitals usually are full of 'em. And we do have Harvard to thank for the DRGs, after all. But I digress.

284 Menorah[deleted]  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:16:28am
285 NY Nana  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:16:52am

re: #280 Shug

if somebody wants to take care of senators and be trailed around by kids in short white coats they can take the pay cut and get a faculty appt

;)

ROTFL...how about men carrying a net?

286 anotherindyfilmguy  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:16:56am

re: #56 ploome hineni

as well as having never worked a day in his life, because of his family wealth, amassed by his father ran whiskey during Prohibition

by running illegal liquor

On a singular human level, if he were a totally unknown stranger he and his family would have my sympathies.

Most politicians come across as sociable/nice folks on an interactive level. The actions of their lives though are what they will ultimately be praised or condemned for and, IMO, he will not fare well with history.

As a whole, the Kennedy family political presence is ironically much of what the most vitriolic Dems want to paint Republicans as, amassed wealth through illegal means, using political influence for the benefit of the family, from keeping a son from being court martialed in wartime (and spinning the disaster he caused into a war hero story/medals and all etc) to the apparent immunity from prosecution for possible crimes ranging from murder/manslaughter (at least) to rape etc of various members, not just him, across the decades up to the present along with all the rest elitism has to offer.

I cannot feel all that sympathetic for a man who has spent so much of his life destroying/attacking/undermining the good of the Nation. Seeing that he has lived the ultra elite lifestyle at the expense of a society he has done so much to attack (not to mention being treasonous according to exposed KGB files etc ad nauseum) I just cannot think he'll be in a better place when he vacates this world.

287 MJ[deleted]  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:17:37am
288 sngnsgt  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:18:12am

re: #271 NY Nana Thank you NY Nana, I take 3 different meds spread thoughout the day, and still have them more frequently than I or my Dr would like. Sometimes I spend time in the hospital, but many happen at home, and my Dr says I only need to go to the ER when they don't stop after a few minutes. Many times when I have a Grand Mal, they last longer than a few minutes, and my head feels like it's going to explode. I'm on Disability finally after years of gov't hurry-up and wait, but also have stacks of ambulance bills, and ER bills. I'm filing BK, but my credit is ruined and I'll be playing catch-up for years. I don't wish the horror of Epilepsy on anyone.

289 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:19:01am

re: #236 jamsler

I hope his recovery is swift, his retirement from politics immediate and complete, his golden years long.

Well said.

290 Psaturn  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:19:10am

re: #288 sngnsgt

Wow...sorry to hear that..

291 NY Nana  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:19:56am

Fox: No diagnoses for 48 hours, according to MGH.

Biopsy of the brain? I imagine he is now undergoing a battery of scans.

292 RedSoxNation  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:21:30am

re: #274 Psaturn

No news on Senator Kennedy at Drudge...strange.. you would think he would put it there?

I agree. I keep looking, but nothing...I did hear on FoxNews that there is a report that he made a telephone call after the seizure and sounded "businesslike." So, maybe it will not be as serious as first thought.

293 Psaturn  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:23:11am

re: #292 RedSoxNation

Yeah...but at least Drudge Report reported a carnival ride that collapsed in Angel's Camp...

/

294 RememberSekhmet?  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:24:51am

re: #151 brickthruplateglasswindow

May his medical care be proportionate to the dislike I hold for him.

And I hope that means, "May his doctors' skill be proportionate to my personal dislike of the man." In other words, may his doctors be really, really good, because I really, really don't like him.

295 OrzBorz  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:25:54am

It's never fun to be rushed to the hospital. I hope he'll be fine.

296 Boogberg  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:26:10am

re: #277 NY Nana


I would think that giving each American the same level of care that the US Congress gets and we pay for should be what every citizen gets; no more, no less.

Is that really feasible though? My insurance is provided by my employer and myself (mostly my employer). The Congress has a virtually limitless supply of funds to pay for their healthcare while my employer does not.

297 NY Nana  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:27:08am

re: #288 sngnsgt

Damn, damn, damn. I am so sorry...you are so brave.

You should not have to fight like this for what is due you: decent medical care. And to have to file bankruptcy because of the burden of a medical condition that you did nothing irresponsible to incur? Have you contacted your US Reps or Senators? This is just unconscionable.

Would the Epilepsy Foundation be of any assistance?

No one should be put through this, especially when battling a disease that is essentially incurable in an adult.

G-d bless you.

298 DistantThunder  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:31:21am

re: #296 Boogberg

Is that really feasible though? My insurance is provided by my employer and myself (mostly my employer). The Congress has a virtually limitless supply of funds to pay for their healthcare while my employer does not.

You still pay 100% of your insurance costs through lower pay to you.

299 sngnsgt  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:32:04am

re: #290 Psaturn
Thanks Psaturn, I thank The Lord when I go to bed every night that I didn't have one today. I have regular CT scans and blood tests to make sure my drug levels are right. All I can do is joke with the phlebotomist during blood draws because sometimes feel like a pin cushion and tell them they should just put a spigot in my arm. I have regular MRI's but at least all I have to do for those is lay in a tube. I think flirting with the young nurses is the funnest parts about them, gotta try and keep a sense of humor about it. ;-)

300 ElKafir  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:32:09am

I wish him a long, well deserved retirement out of the American politics.

301 ElKafir  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:34:57am

...to his own benefit and for the rest of us.

302 Pshawalaw  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:35:11am

Susan Estrich just told Fox News that it was not a stroke, two seizures, but not a stroke.

303 mama winger  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:35:39am

I just got off work and heard about Sen Kennedy's illness. May God give wisdom to his medical team, and may his recovery be a good one.

304 right_wing2  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:36:02am

re: #279 Colonel Panik

Black Bush? Tullamore Dew? Tyrconnell? Powers?

305 MJ  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:37:43am

re: #178 Charles

If I have to delete one more comment, despite two warnings now, accounts are going to be blocked.

Just in case some folks didn't see this earlier post by Charles.

306 S.P.E.C.T.R.E.  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:38:30am

In my opinion, every single piece of legislation Sen. Kennedy backs is hurtful to this country, but politics is politics. I wish him a speedy and full recovery.

307 DistantThunder  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:39:13am

Our friend's 3 year old fell out of her crib/bed, and hit her head - and then had a seizure - then another - over the course of 1 month she had nearly daily seizures, sometimes multiple seizures a day. They told her she would be on medication for the rest of her life - and that having had her first seizure after a fall was a coincidence.

At the time I worked for a chiropractor who was an upper-cervical specialist, who could gently move the top three bones of the neck, a small amount. This baby's cervical x-rays were a mess - a huge misalignment of her upper-cervical vertebrae.

My friends brought her down from Seattle to San Jose for a week - the doctor gentle worked on her every day - for only a few minutes. Her seizures stopped after the first visits and never, ever, ever returned.

308 Kulhwch  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:39:23am

Predictions on the upcoming media storm about this:

Barack Hinsane Obama to self: How can I use this?
Shrillary Clinton to self: How can I use this?
Crazy Uncle Ron Paul to self: Where's my blimp?
Silky Pony to self: Is my hair okay?

Ah, well ...

Grew up steeped in the Kennedy miasma.  One of the earliest memories I have as a toddler is sitting in my little rocking chair in the living room watching John's funeral on our old black & white set.  Remember Carolyn Kennedy figuring largely in my adolescent lusts at one time.  Remember when Sirhan Sirhan (in yet another stunning example of Islamic peace and love) killed Bobby.  When still a Democrat (yes, I'm ashamed to say), wondered why the hell Teddy never got off his fat ass and ran.

Bless the old besotted warrior.  No animosity towards him personally at all.  Hope he pulls through.

}:)     [Yes, it gags me that Arnold is a Kennedy legacy.]

309 sngnsgt  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:39:29am

re: #297 NY Nana
After years of enduring Epilepsy, my Dr finally put me in for Disability. Like I said, I'm still in gov't hurry up and wait mode for my future finance decisions and am trying to work with The E Foundation. They do have a message forum that I frequent for support. It's nice to be able to share stories and support with other Epileptics. I think we all share our own sense of humor about it, it's better than feeling sorry for yourself all the time. Thanks for your support. ;-)

310 ElKafir  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:40:28am

Hillary casted a spell after Ted endorsed Obama?
Only the Clinton's cat Socks knows the truth

311 wong fei hung  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:40:57am

re: #125 patrickafir

I hope he's okay, despite the fact that Mary Jo Kopechne never made it to the hospital.

My sentiments exactly.

312 belisariusx  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:42:57am

I will have to pick up my drinking so that the breweries don't go under during his recovery. That said, I will pray for him and his family. Strokes can be devastating to all involved.

313 Boogberg  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:44:18am

re: #298 DistantThunder

You still pay 100% of your insurance costs through lower pay to you.

Well, I'd like to think that our customers are paying for it through the price of our product. I guess it's all in how you look at it. However, our company is loathe to raise prices in the interests of competition so yes, we employees are expected to make so-called "sacrifices" to maintain the bottom line. Hazards of Capitalism, I suppose.

314 NY Nana  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:46:25am

re: #296 Boogberg

Is that really feasible though? My insurance is provided by my employer and myself (mostly my employer). The Congress has a virtually limitless supply of funds to pay for their healthcare while my employer does not.

It damned well should be, but I hate to tell you that there have been a number of articles that many companies, large and small, will D/C medical insurance for their employees, as they can no longer afford it.

That Congess has unlimited funding for this is despicable. So many of them are multi-millionaires who can bloody well pay for their own, and IIRC, they get the insurance even after they leave office, all paid for by us...many of whom have no insurance. We are on Medicare, not that great, but at least we are covered. And we have prescription coverage. I get mine mail ordered from Canada, thus saving a small fortune. And when I reach a certain point I get a 50% return on the cost.

Got to go...my blood glucose is 43...BBL.

315 BBev  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:47:06am

I have a very nice story about Ted.
My dad helped him when he started in politics and was in life Magazine with him years ago sorry to say my dad died back in the 70's but thats not the story.

A 7 years ago when my wife got real sick and there were no hospitals here in NH nor in Boston could help her we needed to go to Johns Hopkins in Baltimore the insurance company said we could not, we fought them to no end I tried with local help and still they said no. I then thought well maybe Ted can help maybe he would remember my father so I made the call and spoke to one of his assistants not a week went by when we got a call from the insurance company saying we could go to Johns Hopkins and everything would be paid 100%. We have been going to Baltimore now for 7 years.

Thank You Ted and please get well soon.

316 Rkrocket  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:49:43am

Drudge still doesn't have the story up...

317 Bill M  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:50:45am

Kennedy won't retire. They'll have to carry him out of the Senate in a box. That said, I hope we have at least several more years of him to put up with. His ideas make such fine targets.

318 sngnsgt  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:52:39am

My Mother suffered a seizure/stroke a few years back and is now in a rest home. My Father is ret. Air Force AND ret. Postal Service so my Mother gets the best care anywhere, Gob Bless her. In my case, Disability is the best thing that has happened to me in years of suffering seizures because I can't work and don't have insurance.

319 Zim  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:53:23am

I hope he is ok and then retires.

320 DistantThunder  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:54:26am

Kennedy wishes: Recover & Retire

321 rickadams  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:55:03am

I pray for a speedy recovery.

322 looking closely  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:55:35am

re: #291 NY Nana

Fox: No diagnoses for 48 hours, according to MGH.

Biopsy of the brain? I imagine he is now undergoing a battery of scans.

He's undoubtedly already been scanned, possibly more than once.
Its such that you can barely walk through the MGH ER without having your head scanned.
No biopsy unless the scan showed a tumor, or something highly suspicious for one.
What could cause seizures in a 76 year old guy?
Brain tumor, stroke, infection, drug effect (eg withdrawal) would be common etiologies.

As to the politics of the physicians at MGH, I know several (including some pretty senior ones), and suffice it to say while you'd find that most MDs in MA are liberal, lots of MDs (particularly surgeons) are conservative.

What I will say with 100% certainty is that the political affiliation of whomever is taking care of Kennedy is utterly irrelevant, and won't affect the care he gets by one iota.

323 Neo_  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:55:44am

His office is saying that he had two seizures.

I bet he is glad he does have universal healthcare.

324 BBev  Sat, May 17, 2008 11:58:02am

Charles you should take 287 off also it has the repeat of 284

sorry MJ it's not you.

325 madmax517  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:00:10pm

re: #95 galloping granny

I question what the UN Human Rights Comm. does about Human rights in all those moooslim countries. I'm sure those servants and hired help from around the world are treated with the greatest dignity and respect. Not to mention how women who are raped are abused by the system, stoned, etc. Nice people. Pity that smart bomb that Jews made to kill only Muslims couldn't just be used on those brave warriors and machsimo husbands. One sick ass society.

Why do we even need the UN here when Jimmy carter could do a better job of it?
/

326 mean Gene  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:03:52pm

Barak Obama was just quoted as saying he was praying because of what happened to Teddy.
Now, I don't know about your memories but I recall very clearly Obama saying he didn't pray to God.
He only prayed as a way to get in touch with his own thoughts.
He used the medium of prayer as a way to ask himself this or that.
So, Obama, feeling a bit out of touch with yourself today?

327 Dirk DIggler  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:07:32pm
“if you can’t say something nice about a person, say nothing at all”.

I think I'll take that advice and avoid commenting about Teddy Kennedy today.

328 DownRightMeanAmerican  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:08:26pm

re: #288 sngnsgt

I am sorry to hear that also and I wish you all the best.

I worked with a young man who suffered from Grand Mal seizures, a lot of our work requires us to be in the middle of the street and one day he has a Grand Mal right there in the street. I had to stand there with my foot on him so as to keep him from rolling into traffic, good thing we were across the street from a public school. There was a few people out in front of the school curiously looking at me, I yelled to them and asked if one of them could call 911 on a cell phone, one of them ( I suspect a life long democrat ) pointed toward the school and declared “they have a phone you can use”, I replied, great now you come over here and hold him while I go make that call. They gave one look at my co-worker flopping around like a fish out of water and quickly surmised making the 911 call was much easier.

329 Meremortal  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:09:37pm

These could be Gran Mal seizures, which can be caused by kidney failure. Long-term alcohol use/abuse can lead to such seizures. Sometimes they are triggered when a person stops drinking suddenly after many years.

330 Kulhwch  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:10:29pm

re: #134 mr. neutron

Reading through these respectful, mature comments must be making heads explode in the fever swamps.

Well, that's one plus in the whole situation.  It's been a long time since my being ethical has caused others to foam up in apoplexy.

}:)     [Feels good ... to be good ... ]

331 Boogberg  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:10:47pm

I certainly understand your frustration, Nana. I'm sure you'd agree, though, that cutting someone else's healthcare benefits is not the solution. I'd add that we should make public service attractive, not repulsive.

I see no way of the average American having the kind of medical coverage that our Congress has without drastically increasing taxes. Well, that's kind of a no-no. So now what?

332 NavyBrat  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:11:11pm

Thoughts out for Teddy and his family.

333 CapeCoddah  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:12:30pm

Hey All,
Been doing housework all day, and had my own music going. Did not know anything about this till I stopped here after checking my e-mail.
My kid says Hyannis is crawling with TV reporters and my drivers tell me every news chopper in New England is circling Mass General.
I hope he is OK, and not because I like or respect him, but a Kennedy media circus here is murder. Can't move for all the police, reporters and the curious. I thought he had died when I turned on the local news.

334 leftover54  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:13:24pm

Back when my father had his stroke the doctor told me that many go through a re evaluation of their lives, views etc. My father made me promise him that should he be stricken as he was, I would never consent to those extra life support measures to keep him alive. He did not want to be confined to a wheel chair or loose the use of one side of his body etc. A big time outdoors man he felt loosing the ability to hunt and fish would make life unbearable for him. When I related this to the doc he said "I've heard this over and over. Right now he can not speak for himself, can't even write. You (we) have NO idea what he is thinking now - the will to survive is stronger than anything else, I've known your father as long as you and can tell you I think that was all "tough guy" bluster and don't assume he is still thinking this, I've talked to many others that survived their stroke and they thanked us for using extraordinary measures to maintain life even though they held the same views as your dads prior to their stroke". For me, this put me in a situation that NO ONE should ever have to be in ! Had he put this in writing it would have been all academic. Instead, when the wife kids and I went to visit, he would call me outside, away from my moms hearing range and make me promise to make sure he didn't spend his last days hooked up to machines. Every visit. Anyhow, in the end, I signed the papers to have a feeding tube put in. Yeah, I know. But when you have professionals looking at you like you're a murderer, well thats a whole lot of pressure ! Anyhow, my point is this could be a life altering event for Kennedy. Look at what G.Wallace went through. I do not wish the man ill, I do pray he see's the light while still here amongst us. He could make the remaining years of his life his most important and productive.
The Kos kids will think this an extremely arrogant statement on my part (and maybe a few here !). I've never felt Kennedy even believes his own BS He is a politician - he picked a side and ran with it all the way.
A political "hit man" that has to drink to live with his conscience and memories. Its never too late to for salvation Ted ! I will pray for you - just from this forum alone there are a lot of prayers going out for you ! it can't hurt...

335 sngnsgt  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:13:51pm

re: #328 DownRightMeanAmerican

That doesn't surprise me, I live in VERY liberal Erie, PA and was told by Disability not to bother contacting my Senator, but to get a lawyer ASAP.

336 markie  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:16:21pm

I won't kick someone when they're down.
That family has had more than its share of tragedy.
Sympathy to the family and prayers for a good outcome.

337 irish rose  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:21:27pm

Wishing a speedy recovery for Mr. Kennedy, and peace for his family.

338 ATC Guy  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:21:36pm

Thanks for the service Ted. I hope you enjoy a long life out of politics, and get well soon. Your family has given enough, God speed.

339 rawmuse  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:26:46pm

Get well, Senator.

340 Charles  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:27:28pm

Interesting. I'm seeing quite a few referrals coming in from Daily Kos, Balloon Juice and other sites where they were obviously hoping to catch LGF having a big party over this news.

341 MJ  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:28:10pm

re: #324 BBev

Charles you should take 287 off also it has the repeat of 284

sorry MJ it's not you.

It's OK.

342 DownRightMeanAmerican  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:29:26pm

re: #335 sngnsgt

That is sad, very sad.

343 Varilux  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:30:09pm

I'm not sure why you're surprised they fail, yet again to understand the fundamental difference.

344 DownRightMeanAmerican  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:31:48pm

re: #340 Charles

What a big disappoint they are in for and a double one when they discover that some neo-cons are different from them and their elk.

345 Boogberg  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:32:15pm

re: #340 Charles

Interesting. I'm seeing quite a few referrals coming in from Daily Kos, Balloon Juice and other sites where they were obviously hoping to catch LGF having a big party over this news.

High ground, Charles. High ground.

346 markie  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:32:18pm

re: #336 markie

That said, I hope he's able to enjoy a long and healthy retirement. I hate his politics, which is the sum total of his career.

Running lights and siren can be a real rush (I've been able to do a few) but its what is waiting for you at the end of the run that is the really scary part (been there too). Although the idiot drivers on the way can make for some pucker moments...

347 Charles  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:33:03pm

Sometimes I think I should leave nasty comments in place, to make it obvious how many other people disapprove of them.

Three quarters of the deleted comments in this thread are from people who were expressing unhappiness with an offensive comment -- but they quoted the comment in their reply, making it necessary to remove their comment too. (Otherwise, there wouldn't be much point in deleting anything.)

The moral of this story (he said again) is: if you see an offensive post and want to reply, that's good. Do it. But DON'T quote the offensive post -- use the 'reply' button instead of the 'quote' button. Then your comment won't have to be deleted, and it will reinforce the point.

348 badsysop  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:33:16pm

He had a seizure not a stroke or heart attack so it appears that he should be OK but they'll look for the cause of the seizure which could be a host of issues from alcoholism to brain tumors.

He's damn lucky whoever found him didn't drive home and call in the incident after a sobering up time period and contacting their family and lawyers.

Karma is a myth.

I certainly don't wish ill will on the guy personally, but I hope he's thankful that others haven't treated him the way he has treated them.

349 markie  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:33:33pm

re: #344 DownRightMeanAmerican

What a big disappoint they are in for and a double one when they discover that some neo-cons are different from them and their elk.

ilk.

Lets not denigrate Elk.

350 markie  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:36:08pm

re: #347 Charles

If you left them in, the jerks would just use them out of context to "show" how vicious and unfair we are here.

351 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:39:21pm

I grew up in Brockton, Massachusetts and voted for Ted Kennedy back in the 1970's when I first started voting. I was like about 75% of Bay State natives in that regard. I have not lived in Mass for more than 25 years, and I could not vote for him at this point in my life. But however I felt about his domestic politics, I always believed him to be a strong supporter of Israel. And that is something I always appreciated about him.

Hope he gets better soon.

352 omni  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:39:38pm

I hope Kennedy takes this opportunity to retire and enjoy what time he has left on Cape Cod basking on the beach.

Few men have done as much damage to America as he has, for as long as he has. You've done enough, Teddy, and now it is time to leave it to Obama and a new generation to carry on the sabotage.

353 Kulhwch  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:41:57pm

re: #240 shane

So Ted,
How is Mary Jo?

It is uncouth to kick a valued opponent when they are down, especially not when attempting to incurr mirth in the bystanders.  One backs away from the fight to a safe distance and allows the opponent the dignity of getting to their feet in any manner they can, so they can decide to continue the fray or not.  Gentlemen perform thus.

}:/     [Posted out of respect for the name of Shane.]

354 EC Marm  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:42:11pm

re: #347 Charles
You should see what's going on over at FreeRepublic.com. I'd say one of every five comments is getting the hook. It appears they have a 24 hour 'time out' which accompanies a deletion.

355 angst  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:42:32pm

re: #334 leftover54

Back when my father had his stroke the doctor told me that many go through a re evaluation of their lives, views etc. My father made me promise him that should he be stricken as he was, I would never consent to those extra life support measures to keep him alive. He did not want to be confined to a wheel chair or loose the use of one side of his body etc. A big time outdoors man he felt loosing the ability to hunt and fish would make life unbearable for him. When I related this to the doc he said "I've heard this over and over. Right now he can not speak for himself, can't even write. You (we) have NO idea what he is thinking now - the will to survive is stronger than anything else, I've known your father as long as you and can tell you I think that was all "tough guy" bluster and don't assume he is still thinking this, I've talked to many others that survived their stroke and they thanked us for using extraordinary measures to maintain life even though they held the same views as your dads prior to their stroke". For me, this put me in a situation that NO ONE should ever have to be in ! Had he put this in writing it would have been all academic. Instead, when the wife kids and I went to visit, he would call me outside, away from my moms hearing range and make me promise to make sure he didn't spend his last days hooked up to machines. Every visit. Anyhow, in the end, I signed the papers to have a feeding tube put in. Yeah, I know. But when you have professionals looking at you like you're a murderer, well thats a whole lot of pressure ! Anyhow, my point is this could be a life altering event for Kennedy. Look at what G.Wallace went through. I do not wish the man ill, I do pray he see's the light while still here amongst us. He could make the remaining years of his life his most important and productive.
The Kos kids will think this an extremely arrogant statement on my part (and maybe a few here !). I've never felt Kennedy even believes his own BS He is a politician - he picked a side and ran with it all the way.
A political "hit man" that has to drink to live with his conscience and memories. Its never too late to for salvation Ted ! I will pray for you - just from this forum alone there are a lot of prayers going out for you ! it can't hurt...

Please do not beat yourself up over this. Even if your Dad had put it in writing it wouldn't have been academic- Living wills don't have the force of law- it would still have been up to you and the docs with your father's wishes serving only as a guideline. We went through the exact same thing but since my family is rife with doctors it was (slightly) easier to dig our heels in- and we could not withhold the feeding tube either. We stopped the drugs that kept her alive, though, without a living will. So we have to live with that. It's a no-win situation that you were in and you did the best you could.

356 joecitizen  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:43:42pm

re: #56 ploome hineni

as well as having never worked a day in his life, because of his family wealth, amassed by his father ran whiskey during Prohibition

by running illegal liquor

I'da bought whiskey offa the old man during prohibition..I'm just sayin'...

357 mich-again  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:43:46pm

Heres my best wishes for a speedy and full recovery. I really want him to stick around long enough for us all to see the disappointment in his face when Obama Nation goes down to defeat in November.

358 Cap'n DOC  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:44:13pm

Was he swimming?

359 looking closely  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:46:31pm

re: #348 badsysop


I certainly don't wish ill will on the guy personally, but I hope he's thankful that others haven't treated him the way he has treated them.


I'm no fan, but I've heard that in general Ted has been very good to those that have been good to him. In other words, he knows how to return a favor.

360 Charles  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:47:39pm

Please see comment #19 if you're new to this thread, before you post something you will regret.

361 29Victor  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:48:08pm

Our prayers are with him.

362 looking closely  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:49:57pm

re: #347 Charles

Sometimes I think I should leave nasty comments in place, to make it obvious how many other people disapprove of them.


I think your current policy of deleting over the top comments ASAP is the better one.

Helps prevent Moby-age and quoting out of context by individuals trolling for anything they can to discredit you or the sight.

You know this happens.

363 CLLRusso  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:50:50pm

I kind of hoped that last year when Ted had carotid surgery to eliminate a total blockage on that side, that the increased blood supply to his brain would have some more positive results as to lucidity, common sense, bipartisanship. But darn, I've not seen any improvement whatsoever, so I guess the best we can hope for is retirement. Do get well, Senator.

364 cardiacmont  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:52:19pm

I had seizures a few years ago resulting from a subdural hemotoma (blood pooling between my brain and skull). Somewhere along the line a must have taken a whack to my head, is the theory. The blood pooled and self clotted. Apparently as the blood ages the composition changes and expands. Thus the seizures and stroke-like symptoms. I couldn't speak, right side of my face sagged, my right arm was numb. My legs were fine, which seemed to confuse the doctors. Surgery was required, the took a flap out and drained the blood and the seizures ended. However, during the surgery I picked up a staph infection which resulted in surgeries that were much more disruptive than the hemotoma. Took me a long time to recover.

I too had a long time to meditate and pray. I found a new understanding of my relationship with God.

I hope Ted has a revelation and figures out there is a much better way to deal with his past than to drink it away.

365 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:52:52pm

re: #340 Charles

Interesting. I'm seeing quite a few referrals coming in from Daily Kos, Balloon Juice and other sites where they were obviously hoping to catch LGF having a big party over this news.

Charles,those on the left do not understand that we are not driven by hate in what we believe. I do not hate Sen. Kennedy. I only hate his political views. The left is not given to the same mode of thought. They not only hate the politics of those they disagree with,they hate the person that holds those views as well. This is the reason the left assumes we are haters of Islam. They can not understand how we can hate the political views of an individual and not hate the person as well. They assume if we hate terrorists who are Islamic,we automatically hate Islam as well since they hate Conservative views AND THE PERSON who holds those views. They do not understand why we do not lash out in hate against Sen. Kennedy as they would if it were a Republican Senator in the same shoes. When you understand what drives the left,it becomes clear why they are confused over our lack of "throwing a party". There's no reason to throw a party over the misfortune of a fellow American,no matter what you think of their political views.

366 Mich-again  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:54:40pm

From the NYT story.

Mr. Obama called Mr. Kennedy “a giant in American political history.”

Nice choice of words Obama.

367 Kulhwch  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:55:12pm

re: #340 Charles

Interesting. I'm seeing quite a few referrals coming in from Daily Kos, Balloon Juice and other sites where they were obviously hoping to catch LGF having a big party over this news.

Now that's a classic case of projection, don't you think?

}:)     [ ... oh, of course ... they don't understand ethical treatment ... ]

368 NY Nana  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:55:22pm

re: #322 looking closely

I haven't been to the Mass General in eons, as we have lived in NY since 1965, and I trained here, at Brooklyn Jewish Hospital. The MGH, Children's' etc., did not accept Jewish students in 1955, when I graduated from Newton High (MA), but I worked for the Comm. of MA's Nurses Registry when we were living there while my husband was in the Army, and stationed at the now-defunct Boston Army Base. They sent me to Mass. General and to Children's' to be a private duty RN...irony.

I saw it on Fox..and none of the buildings look familiar.

When I was working there? I was a Dem., and not all that interested in politics, and my first vote was for JFK (you had to be 21 in order to vote back then) ...his assassination is with me still...I was just starting my 9th month of pregnancy, and in Boston..bulletin on the radio.

Before 9/11, my world was defined by that horrific event (ie before and after)..JFK was a mensch, totally the opposite of his father, who when US Ambassador to the Court of St. James, visited his idol, *itler.(may his name and memory be obliterated). Joseph Kennedy, Sr., was a consummate Jew hater, unlike his kids.

My Jewish Republican parents cried when they heard about the assassination..they, too, voted for him. Their renegade daughter left the Dems when Carter was in office a few months, and we became Republicans when Bush ran for his first term, as one must be registered in a party in NY to vote in a
primary.

369 Charles  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:58:36pm

re: #367 Kulhwch

Now that's a classic case of projection, don't you think?

}:) [ ... oh, of course ... they don't understand ethical treatment ... ]

I don't think it's projection, actually. I think they were looking to get some revenge.

370 badsysop  Sat, May 17, 2008 12:58:49pm

re: #364 cardiacmont

Thanks for sharing that. Everytime I hear about head injuries in accidents, sadly often due to neglecting traffic laws by pedestrians crossing dangerous intersections against a light or people in cars without seatbelts, I worry for the individual and the family of that person. One wack on the head can be the end of your life as you know it and making a stupid mistake of not wearing a helmet while on a motorcycle and taking a relatively minor fall...but landing just perfectly the wrong way... is sad that people have to learn how fragile life can be.

Head injuries are no joke. I hope you've healed through that ordeal. It is certainly better to have "stroke like symptoms" than a stroke itself due to the severe damage of the brain it can potentially cause. The body is much stronger than the brain is and I've seen alzheimers patients that you wish were dead because you know they'd be better off.

Thanks again. It is good to hear a "survival" story instead of the ones where people are unable to function as a normal person ever again. (Locally just this past week an 11 year old girl was run over recently. She has a severe head injury and her prognosis is unknown...head injury...sad.)

371 CLLRusso  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:01:19pm

re: #360 Charles

Please see comment #19 if you're new to this thread, before you post something you will regret.

Well Charles, I can't recall a time I've seen you lurking so much! The vast majority of us are really good little girls and boys, unlike the liberals that populate other sites. OK, I did take out a word before liberals. So your oversight is working well. Thank you.

372 looking closely  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:01:22pm

Whoops, that's "site".

On Kennedy's drinking, I thought he's been sober for a while now.

But whether he is or isn't currently drinking, that's somewhat irrelevant to me. So long as he's not doing it publically or to the extent that its compromising his ability to function, that's his own business. I care about how he votes, and conducts himself in office.

I said earlier that I wouldn't cry if he had to leave office. While that's true, I would hasten to add that I would MUCH rather see him voted out of office or retire out of choice, rather than have to retire for health reasons.

373 livefreeor die  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:04:30pm

re: #360 Charles

Please see comment #19 if you're new to this thread, before you post something you will regret.

Charles, thank you for your continued commitment to keeping this such a great site. I'm sure you had other plans for today than sitting and monitoring this thread.

374 looking closely  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:06:44pm

re: #368 NY Nana

I don't want to be too specific about my experiences at MGH, but I've actually worked there TWICE, in two entirely different capacities, once in the 90s, once more recently.

Like a lot of older hospitals, the physical plant is an amalgam of older and newer buildings. So if you haven't been there in decades, sure, there are buildings you wouldn't recognize.

As to your remark about the Jews and MGH, I'm reminded of that old Boston medical chestnut about the guy who came in from out of town and asked his cabbie to take him to the best hospital.

The Cabbie replied, "You have to be more specific. The Mass General Hospital is the best hospital in the world, but the Beth Israel Hospital is the best hospital in the city of Boston".

If you've spend time working in either system, you'll "get" it, and I think its probably still "true" to an extent.

375 brickthruplateglasswindow  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:07:08pm

re: #294 RememberSekhmet?

And I hope that means, "May his doctors' skill be proportionate to my personal dislike of the man." In other words, may his doctors be really, really good, because I really, really don't like him.

Of course. Hence, the use of "proportionate" and not "inversely proportionate" modifier. :) I'm a Conservative, not an insensitive cretin.

376 wolfie  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:07:56pm

At times like these you think of people as personalities rather than as politicians.
I've always thought that Teddy might be a lot of fun to have a beer with, maybe at an Irish pub or something. I can see him joining in singing songs from the old sod and shooting the breeze.
I notice that a couple of people on this thread have actually met him and say he does have a delightful sense of humor, so maybe my impression isn't off-base.
In any case, he's had tough medical problems before, and I'm rooting for him to beat whatever this is, too.
I am especially praying that he will be restored to full health, that he will be able to laugh and sing.

377 badsysop  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:08:53pm

re: #373 livefreeor die

I have actually travelled to the alternate universe in which Kennedy did not have a seizure and Charles was not monitoring this thread. He rode a bike off a cliff and LGF was shut down 2 weeks later. It set off a course of events that led to nuclear war, a nuclear winter, and destruction of most of the civilized world. On the bright side, the global warming crowd had different things to bitch about...

You don't want to be in THAT alternate universe, do you?

378 USS Ben  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:10:46pm

Not surprisingly, Hillary is using Kennedy's hospital visit to promote her social healthcare "plan".
Ironically, if Kennedy wasn't in a position of power in a country that has social healthcare, he would be worse off or dead because of the long waits.

American healthcare is the best in the world, and if Kennedy can be saved and rehabilitated it's due to the fact that we don't have universal healthcare.

379 Boogberg  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:11:52pm

re: #373 livefreeor die

Charles, thank you for your continued commitment to keeping this such a great site. I'm sure you had other plans for today than sitting and monitoring this thread.

If I had a site with 2000 visitors at peak time, that would BE my priority. Frickin' awesome. :D

380 Kulhwch  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:13:06pm

re: #369 Charles

I don't think it's projection, actually. I think they were looking to get some revenge.

Well, there's that too, of course.  Kind of a side benefit of the other, maybe.  But I can still remember when, the situation being reversed (Cheney with his heart problems, for instance), they were all foam-flecked nasty dancing-in-glee-that-he-might-die, over the top, wishing for death, etc.  You get my gist.
    In essence, they have no compulsion to be decent when someone they have issues with has fallen.  Knowing only that mindset (I know, I know, who'da thought they had minds, based on their behavior?), they presume that that is exactly how everyone else believes/behaves, and expect it of us.*  Because they can't help but be poltroons, they expect it of us in return, never considering that reasoning creatures can decide not to engage in that type of behavior.
    It's like they have no internal monitor, are cursed with a childish form of tourette's syndrome that says no matter what bilge they think, they should display it.

At any rate, I agree with your assessment as well.  I just get fascinated with the causes of it all.  My, how I have done run on ...

}:)     [* But, oy, what a run-on sentence THAT was ... ]

381 shiplord kirel  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:15:37pm

Free Republic has shut down its string on this. "Reason: Enough," says the moderator.

Looks like we're it as far as class and decorum are concerned.

Charles has been vigilant here, to be sure, but so were the Freeper mods and those at lefty blogs. He just wasn't overwhelmed by the verbal barbarism and they were.

382 Kyle_st  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:15:38pm

While I despise the creature, I do pray for his well-being and recovery, and will keep his family in my thoughts.

383 Charles  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:16:10pm

re: #373 livefreeor die

Well, I did sneak out for a short ride. Don't tell anybody.

384 Kulhwch  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:16:31pm

re: #380 Kulhwch

Ack, I can't believe I gushed all over like that.  Appy-polly-loggies my fellow droogs.

}:P     [Talking about Tourette's Syndrome ... ]

385 NY Nana  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:17:15pm

re: #309 sngnsgt

G-d bless you. I just pray that you will come out of this a winner.

I am also physically disabled, not by diabetes, but can empathize. I have seen what my then-3 1/2 year old granddaughter went through when she was rushed to the medical center in NJ after her first Grand Mal..she was hooked up to EEG machine. She had a 'cap' on, with a tether, so she could at least ride a toy car back and forth in the corridor when she was stabilized, but still hooked up, as it was a 24-hour test.

The second one was worse...but her MD's feel that she may outgrow this, because of her age.(she is not classified as disabled.)

My oldest grandchild is also legally disabled..she was a micro-preemie, and had mild MS, and other problems. She humbles me. She is very brave and very determined, and has so many steel plates in her thighs and hips..and will have to undergo more surgery at The Hospital for Special Surgery in NYC this summer. She never lets it get her down, and is a very happy, outgoing, and extremely loving and lovable kid!

Her vision is also affected. nothing stops her; she has been reading to kindergartners in her elementary school for 2 years..since Grade 1.

Her classmates are just amazing, and treat her like any other kid. She is our Drama Queen! Hilarious.

Please take care...I know you will not let the bastards win.

Re your parents? G-d bless them! They also have brought up quite a son.

Re the American Diabetes Assoc.? They suck. They are not the best lobbyists in a world where diabetes in endemic...and the yearly dues? 75% of it goes to their monthly magazine, not to research and true lobbying.

386 BBev  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:17:51pm

re: #377 badsysop
WTF?

387 Kulhwch  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:18:02pm

re: #383 Charles

Well, I did sneak out for a short ride. Don't tell anybody.

Tell the truth: you run this site from your Blackberry, don't you?

}:)     [THAT'S how the Lizard King remains uncaught!]

388 MrArchieBunker  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:19:44pm

My father died of a stoke. Its a horrific event and a terrible way to die. Best wishes to the Senator and his family.

389 jainphx  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:23:46pm

re: #277 NY Nana

he's now in favor of dismantling HMO's to give us universal health care, ironic as it may seem.

390 Mich-again  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:25:07pm

re: #378 USS Ben

Not surprisingly, Hillary is using Kennedy's hospital visit to promote her social healthcare "plan".

If thats true, it is a really classless thing to do. But not one bit surprising. Thats what scoundrels do. Just like Al Gore blaming the death toll in the Burma Cyclone disaster on GWB's refusal to sign Kyoto.

391 debutaunt  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:25:23pm

re: #387 Kulhwch

Tell the truth: you run this site from your Blackberry, don't you?

}:)     [THAT'S how the Lizard King remains uncaught!]

I knew it! I was kicked off and had to relogin. He was off on a "ride" somewhere.

392 Yankee Division Son  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:26:47pm

While I almost always disagree with his political positions, (and I can't stress that strongly enough with mere words, so I vote against him every single chance I get) as far as his health is concerned, I wish him and his family all the best.

393 driftwood  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:29:22pm

I bumped into TK one day in Andover, MA. Literally. Came around a corner, not paying attention, and thump just ran into him, when he was walking and talking with someone. I was an average-sized female high school student, and the man did not even flinch, he was big, tall, and solid, like a tree. He steadied me with one hand on my shoulder, patted it and moved on, without breaking conversation. Never saw him before, never saw him again. But tough? Oh yeah, I kinda think he is, and I hope he beats what ails him.

394 Charles  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:34:13pm

re: #381 shiplord kirel

Free Republic has shut down its string on this. "Reason: Enough," says the moderator.

Looks like we're it as far as class and decorum are concerned.

Charles has been vigilant here, to be sure, but so were the Freeper mods and those at lefty blogs. He just wasn't overwhelmed by the verbal barbarism and they were.

I honestly think that Free Republic has been way too tolerant of extreme comments.

395 Colonel Panik  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:34:29pm

re: #304 right_wing2

Black Bush? Tullamore Dew? Tyrconnell? Powers?

Black Bush and Tullamore Dew are good. Haven't had Tyrconnell or Powers.

396 mjk  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:35:35pm

I wish him and his family well. That is all.

397 USS Ben  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:38:47pm

re: #390 Mich-again

If thats true, it is a really classless thing to do. But not one bit surprising. Thats what scoundrels do. Just like Al Gore blaming the death toll in the Burma Cyclone disaster on GWB's refusal to sign Kyoto.

If? Trust me, it was on Fox news right before I posted. I really don't see how Clinton can capitalize on this issue using Kennedy as an example though.
You're right, it was definitely a classless thing to do.

398 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:40:46pm

re: #1 jcm

Lizards,

Let's keep it respectful.

Leave the slime to Kos and Huffpo.

We are better than that.

Here's to Ted's health, and his family's peace and strength.

Thank you.
I came into this late, and had some ideas for not such nice comments, but your post reminded me of what is right. I didn't need Charles' later warnings.

That said, Teddy can certainly afford a comfortable retirement, and I wish him one.

But don't expect me to be so nice for Ahmenidijad, Assad, etc.

399 USS Ben  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:41:47pm

re: #377 badsysop

I have actually travelled to the alternate universe in which Kennedy did not have a seizure and Charles was not monitoring this thread. He rode a bike off a cliff and LGF was shut down 2 weeks later. It set off a course of events that led to nuclear war, a nuclear winter, and destruction of most of the civilized world. On the bright side, the global warming crowd had different things to bitch about...

You don't want to be in THAT alternate universe, do you?

What in tarnation are you talking about?

400 Jefiner  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:42:55pm

This man's life encompasses such a major portion of our country's history. While I disagree with his politics, my heart and prayers goes out to Mr. Kennedy and his family. May the Lord protect and keep you . . .

401 angst  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:44:22pm

re: #389 jainphx

he's now in favor of dismantling HMO's to give us universal health care, ironic as it may seem.

Universal health care isn't bad by itself- Massachusetts has a universal coverage plan cobbled together by Mitt Romney, after all. (Though it may not be working well, from what I hear). I guess the devil's in the details and it's likely we wouldn't agree with Ted on those.

402 egoist[deleted]  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:47:59pm
403 jainphx  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:48:50pm

re: #401 angst

My point was that you fight for something and it doesn't work, and then want something else that has no chance of working. You should see the people that use American Doctors and Dentist in the Detroit area from Canada.

404 6pat6  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:51:39pm

Teddy wasn't driving an Oldsmobile, was he?

/sorry, had to!

405 USS Ben  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:53:36pm

re: #344 DownRightMeanAmerican

What a big disappoint they are in for and a double one when they discover that some neo-cons are different from them and their elk.

Well, we are different than elk, particularly leftist elks.

406 6pat6  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:53:38pm

Seriously, i hope he is OK and prayers go out to him and his family. Getting old can be a tough road.

407 Macker  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:54:22pm

re: #383 Charles

Any chance for a Cycle of Violence soon? Haven't seen any for a while...

408 Intrepid  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:56:20pm

re: #402 egoist

Not polite is just the tip of the iceberg on this one.

It should go. Quickly.

409 6pat6  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:58:52pm

I had no idea he's 76 years old - I thought he was younger than that. Is he the youngest of the Kennedy boys?

410 eaglewingz08  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:59:03pm

I pray for Teddy as a human being despite his decades of divisive politics. The only good things that came out of Cape Cod are the pilgrims, John F. Kennedy (Pres) and clam chowder.
Sorry, but Teddy didn't make that cut.

411 6pat6  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:59:24pm

re: #410 eaglewingz08

I agree.

412 Intrepid  Sat, May 17, 2008 1:59:34pm

re: #409 6pat6

Youngest of all the 9 siblings.

413 6pat6  Sat, May 17, 2008 2:01:40pm

You know what, even though TK is less than a gentleman, IMO, if the same thing were to happen to the Vice-President, the Lefties would be having orgasms over it. I think that in and of itself shows that there IS a difference between Conservatives and Lefties, in many, many ways.

414 6pat6  Sat, May 17, 2008 2:01:55pm

re: #412 Intrepid

Thanks, I was not sure.

415 NY Nana  Sat, May 17, 2008 2:02:29pm

re: #389 jainphx

I am not all that gung ho on universal health coverage as I was until this year, to tell the truth. I was very much in favor of it, but seeing what is happening in the UK and also the Province of Ontario, as well as other Canadian provinces that have versions of it (ON is OHIP), there needs to be meaningful investigations and studies done here before initiating any system..National Health in the UK is deteriorating at an alarming rate, with waiting lists for urgent care a mile long.

IMHO, illegal aliens there, just as here, have to be a major problem...we need a major revamp of health care in the USA, and are years late in doing it, thanks to Shrillary's stealth committee.

I do not think that Laura Bush would even consider taking on such a thing. She is a lady.

Who died and named Shrill G-d, that a First 'lady' does this, with no medical background, etc., at all?

Shrill is paramount in putting us where we are now re medical care.

I was private pay when we were in London, as I developed severe bronchitis while vising our friends...the cost for a private MD and medication was too small for our health insurer to pay! And the MD spent nearly an hour talking to us. And it was private...now? Not a clue, but will ask our friend's daughter, who is working here on assignment from the London HQ of the bank where she is an exec.

We must have a Republican admin in '09, or health care will be something we look up in a dictionary under the Demonrats..and all the talk about what diabetes and diabetics, and other chronic illnesses are costing, and the blaming of the victims is making me nervous.

416 ljmw  Sat, May 17, 2008 2:06:46pm

re # 400re: #400 Jefiner

Absolutely! The story of the Kennedys is a fascinating American story.

I visited the JFK Museum in Dallas this week. It is on the 6th floor of the notorious book depository where Oswald hid when he carelessly and cruelly assassinated Pres. Kennedy. I highly recommend the Museum to anyone who remembers that sad day in our history. It is very well done and brought those memories flooding back with incredible poignancy.

The charismatic President, his brief stint in The White House is compellingly told. The amateur video is especially compelling.

Never has there been a more beautiful widow than Jackie Kennedy. The video of her alone is worth the trip.

I wish Sen. Kennedy a full recovery.

417 jumpininhere  Sat, May 17, 2008 2:08:47pm

Ted Kennedy may be ill, but I don't think that absolves him from all the really horrible things he has done. And because he is a public figure with so much influence over the lives of Americans, I think it is fitting that we contemplate those things whenever he is in the public eye -- even it if it because he is ill. It would be very nice if every time we become incapacitated our sins are washed away. It does not happen that way even for Ted Kennedy.

418 ElKafir  Sat, May 17, 2008 2:10:27pm

Clean-up isle #402

419 capataz  Sat, May 17, 2008 2:21:55pm

Like most of us I'll pray for his recovery (dislike his politics).I once upon a time liked the Kennedy's , when I was a wee lad. Teddy really went astray later in his career... his retirement would be best for all.

420 DownRightMeanAmerican  Sat, May 17, 2008 2:25:10pm

re: #402 egoist

Nothing like kicking a guy when he is down.

And nothing like not heeding the many warnings Charles has given.

421 Boogberg  Sat, May 17, 2008 2:32:50pm

Earlier in the thread, NY Nana stated her disapproval of the fact that US Senators have better health coverage than average Americans. Knowing that it isn't cool to cut anyone's health benefits (no matter their assets), what are taxpayers to do about it? How do we get average Joe's coverage equal to that of Congress?

422 angst  Sat, May 17, 2008 2:39:26pm

re: #403 jainphx

My point was that you fight for something and it doesn't work, and then want something else that has no chance of working. You should see the people that use American Doctors and Dentist in the Detroit area from Canada.

Money doesn't buy common sense, I guess.

We see some Canadians in my neck of the woods, er, prairie, if they're really sick. The particular province near me has a lot of money, though, so their health care is better. That's ironic, too. It's okay for the provinces to buy better healthcare but God forbid an individual wants to!

Oh, wait. That's not irony, that's hypocrisy.

423 Scarab  Sat, May 17, 2008 2:39:28pm

Just got in and will add my voice to the above.

May God grant Teddy Kennedy the strength to recover quickly and the wisdom to decide it's time to retire gracefully.

Scarab

424 Charles  Sat, May 17, 2008 2:54:10pm

re: #407 Macker

Any chance for a Cycle of Violence soon? Haven't seen any for a while...

Can't do those posts any more. Security issues.

425 yochanan  Sat, May 17, 2008 2:58:56pm

rich congress/sen. critters have access to the best medical care in the world, people like me with out insurace due to pre existing medical condition DON'T

I am not happy about that, I don't agree with the GOP on this issue but can't see my self voting for the defeatists. Which is one of the reasons i like Joe Lieberman because he is not a DEFEATIST.

426 kansas  Sat, May 17, 2008 3:07:23pm

This is an example of why we will lose in November. Can't really say how we feel about certain issues, have to be "respectful". Yeah, like the other side does and that by being nice makes a difference.

427 yleibu[deleted]  Sat, May 17, 2008 3:08:58pm
428 Dekar  Sat, May 17, 2008 3:13:07pm

re: #427 yleibu

Is it OK to call your mother an old hag before she dies? Sure, it's legal, but is that how you would want to be treated?

429 Jefiner  Sat, May 17, 2008 3:17:26pm

re: #427 yleibu

Is one allowed to utter the words Mary Jo Kopechne or drunkard?
Is mentioning facts a sign of disrespect? In that case go ahead, and cancel my account. Censorship at LGF? Who would have thought?

Taking your toys and going home?

Geez. The man may be dying for all we know. Get over yourself. There will be plenty of time in the years to come to discuss the life and misdeeds of TK. But . . . not now.

430 Catttt  Sat, May 17, 2008 3:17:52pm

I just heard on the radio that it appears this was not a stroke. Senator Kennedy is conscious and lucid; they are looking for the cause of the seizure.

431 Cognito  Sat, May 17, 2008 3:18:22pm

re: #149 Charles

No, it wasn't.

I was not kidding. If you can't restrain yourself from dumping on Ted Kennedy while he's sick, don't post here.

Hey, that's cool. I thought he managed to say, in a polite way, that he finds Ted Kennedy to be undeserving of his personal best wishes. Not my sentiment, but I didn't think it crossed any lines.

My bad.

432 Boogberg  Sat, May 17, 2008 3:19:35pm

re: #427 yleibu

Is one allowed to utter the words Mary Jo Kopechne or drunkard?
Is mentioning facts a sign of disrespect? In that case go ahead, and cancel my account. Censorship at LGF? Who would have thought?

Why not let the man recover and THEN give him hell? No one would complain.

433 Catttt  Sat, May 17, 2008 3:21:00pm

re: #426 kansas

This is an example of why we will lose in November. Can't really say how we feel about certain issues, have to be "respectful". Yeah, like the other side does and that by being nice makes a difference.

It ALWAYS makes a difference to be polite. It is NEVER preferable to be rude. That doesn't mean don't fight hard or speak up on important issues. That is a whole different thing.

Politeness makes a huge difference to the person who is polite. It is not the other people who suffer at a person's rudeness - it is the rude person. It is a basic fundamental law of life. I recommend learning it.

434 jones  Sat, May 17, 2008 3:22:09pm

If you really think being tasteless and tactless will make you feel better, start your own blog.

There is a time and place for everything.

435 Richard Romano  Sat, May 17, 2008 3:22:46pm

This is pathetic:

[Link: bobmccarty.com...]

436 snowcrash  Sat, May 17, 2008 3:30:31pm

re: #435 Richard Romano
Unbelievable, classless opportunist.

437 pittrader1988  Sat, May 17, 2008 3:33:13pm

someone said they hoped it didn't get political. It did, and fast. A democratic political strategist interviewed on FOX said that this is a reason not to vote for Senator McCain. He is old and susceptible to older ailments.

Bet Nancy Pelosi won't denounce that remark.

438 Intrepid  Sat, May 17, 2008 3:39:06pm

re: #433 Cattt

It ALWAYS makes a difference to be polite. It is NEVER preferable to be rude. That doesn't mean don't fight hard or speak up on important issues. That is a whole different thing.

Politeness makes a huge difference to the person who is polite. It is not the other people who suffer at a person's rudeness - it is the rude person. It is a basic fundamental law of life. I recommend learning it.

Hear Hear! The one who chooses to remain gracious and full of prudent speech, even when one's opponent does not, is one who proves his/her quality as a human being. No matter which wins the race.

439 Kulhwch  Sat, May 17, 2008 3:41:20pm
re: #391 debutaunt
re: #387 Kulhwch

Tell the truth: you run this site from your Blackberry, don't you?

}:) [THAT'S how the Lizard King remains uncaught!]

I knew it! I was kicked off and had to relogin. He was off on a "ride" somewhere.

And that's how legends are started ...

}:)     [The Scarlet Pimpernel for our age ... ]

440 Kulhwch  Sat, May 17, 2008 3:47:26pm
re: #427 yleibu
re: #19 Charles

I hope ev, eryone realizes that I will not tolerate any mean-spirited comments in this thread. I know most lizards are better people than that, but unfortunately there are always one or two who can't restrain themselves. Consider this a warning -- be respectful here, or you're very likely to lose your account.

Is one allowed to utter the words Mary Jo Kopechne or drunkard?
Is mentioning facts a sign of disrespect? In that case go ahead, and cancel my account. Censorship at LGF? Who would have thought?

Well, as long as it's asking for it ...

}:)     [But then, I'm a pleaser-kinda person ... ]

441 Charles  Sat, May 17, 2008 3:53:39pm

Again ... please don't quote from offensive posts, especially if it's obviously going to be deleted.

I'm not going to delete the five or six comments that quoted it this time... but PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE (I feel like James Brown) use the 'reply' button instead of 'quote' when responding to something offensive.

442 anotherindyfilmguy  Sat, May 17, 2008 4:01:25pm

re: #427 yleibu

Imagine you've been asked to speak in front of a group of kindergarters... then remember the other side reads here...
same difference...

443 leftover54  Sat, May 17, 2008 7:30:14pm

Angst,
Thanks for the helpful post - I walked away from the computer as soon as I posted that and I'm just getting back now. Hope it isn't too late for you to read this. It helps to know others have been through same. Those were very tough days..

444 kansas  Sat, May 17, 2008 7:41:51pm

re: #433 Cattt

It ALWAYS makes a difference to be polite. It is NEVER preferable to be rude. That doesn't mean don't fight hard or speak up on important issues. That is a whole different thing.

Politeness makes a huge difference to the person who is polite. It is not the other people who suffer at a person's rudeness - it is the rude person. It is a basic fundamental law of life. I recommend learning it.

Look around. The tough side is winning and our side is losing. Best wishes to Sentor Kennedy. Hopefully he can get back to stabbing President Bush in the back post haste.

445 victor_yugo  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:07:48pm

re: #433 Cattt

It ALWAYS makes a difference to be polite. It is NEVER preferable to be rude. That doesn't mean don't fight hard or speak up on important issues. That is a whole different thing.

I call it "standing up for what I believe."

They call it "being rude" (and then make all kinds of baseless, presumptive accusations).

I will not kow-tow to their bogus expectations of "politeness" that apply only to me.

446 donna quixote  Sat, May 17, 2008 8:55:49pm

I listened to Fox News (TV) for a while and thought he was dead. They really beat the bushes to find people who would speak about him.

447 Land Shark  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:03:51am

As much as I oppose Ted Kennedy politically, my prayers are with his family and for a quick recovery.

Good call keeping it classy, Charles. I hate it when the libtards in moonbat sites cream a conservative who's having health problems, so it's good to see LGF showing some class. A tip of the hat to you and my lizard compatriots.

448 proud to be an infidel  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:03:56pm

As conservative and Republican as I am today, I was (still am) an admirer of brothers John and Robert's politics. To this day, I really believe that Bobby Kennedy would have made a great president. Unfortunately, Teddy, for some reason only known to God, took a strong left-turn sometime during the past 20 years. Some of the things coming out of his mouth inflamed me to no end and I really believe disgraced the legacies of both his brothers.

BUT, with that said, I certainly wish the Senator a speedy recovery. He is a fellow American like all us lizards and deserves nothing but the best. Now, they say it was a seizure and NOT a stroke. That sounds like good news for him as seizures are much easier to recover from than strokes. My prayers are with old Ted!


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