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Obama: Iran Threat is 'Tiny' and It's George Bush's Fault

Mon, May 19, 2008 at 10:19:37 am PDT

Anyone watching Barack Obama making ludicrous ahistorical comparisons between Iran and the Soviet Union, to argue that the threat from Iran is “tiny”—and that George Bush’s policies are to blame for this tiny threat?

They’re broadcasting Barack’s latest crazy exciting speech on Fox. Here’s an open thread to discuss it...

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1 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:20:16am

This guy is dangerous.

2 VegasRick  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:20:25am

Obambi is an idiot.

3 zombie  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:20:37am

Just a teeny tiny mushroom cloud. Nothing to worry about.

4 gop_patriot  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:21:01am

Dang it, I don't have FoxNews. :/

5 Athos  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:21:38am

Well, Barry's right about one thing, we are at a defining point in history.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

6 Peacekeeper  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:21:46am

He's out of control. He's flying to pieces right in front of our eyes.

7 bosforus  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:22:26am

Not currently listening to it but I'm guessing this is the start of his plan to appease everyone in the middle east and to back out of ever having to send the military into Iran.

8 Bill Amos  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:22:26am

There are no tiny threats only tiny appeasers

9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:22:40am

Because it was George Bush's fault for not backing the Shah and allowing the Islamists to take over Iran and then support global terrorism for the last 30 or so years.

Wait a sec....

10 Peacekeeper  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:22:43am

Obama: Iran Threat is 'Tiny'

SHRINKAGE!

11 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:22:51am

re: #4 gop_patriot

Dang it, I don't have FoxNews. :/

On this one your the lucky one.

12 Athos  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:22:54am

Tax and spend, appease and surrender.

13 ATC Guy  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:22:58am

Yup, Iran is a small problem, just like a small tactical nuke only kills a small percentage of the population.

14 zombie  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:23:03am

It's a ridiculous comparison.

"The Soviet Union had enough nukes to completely obliterate life on Earth. Iran, by comparison, may only make enough nukes to kill a measly ten million people. The threat is tiny by comparison! What's ten million people more or less?"

15 Ziggy  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:23:06am

I'm sure it's only a "tiny" nuclear bomb they're trying to build.

16 tapeworm  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:23:26am

Tiny Change

17 zombie  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:23:30am

re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Because it was George Bush's fault for not backing the Shah and allowing the Islamists to take over Iran and then support global terrorism for the last 30 or so years.

Wait a sec....

DING DING DING!

18 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:23:30am
19 Bill Amos  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:23:46am

BTW a regeme which is blowing our troops up in Iraq and funneling weapons to terrorist organizations like Hamas is not a Tiny threat.

Obama seems to have no problem wish Islamic murderous regemes or groups

20 Athos  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:23:49am

This guy is nothing but Carter redux.

21 ackomanyuki  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:23:58am

This man is indeed an idiot. Iran is more of a threat than the Soviets ever were. All he has to do is listen to a Sting song to know that:...the Russians love their children too......

22 Silhouette  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:23:59am

Only threatened to wipe an entire country off the map and daily working towards nuclear weapons. What could be more harmless than that?

/

23 maddogg  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:24:22am

Obama is vying for tenure at UC Irvine.

24 David Simon  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:24:45am
the threat from Iran is “tiny”—and that George Bush’s policies are to blame for this tiny threat

Boilerplate leftism: The only truly evil people in this world are Republicans.

25 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:24:58am

I guess when Iran nukes Israel, and Israel responds by taking out a good part of the middle east and south Russia, and then it spreads to Europe, Barry will just have to say : OOPS!

26 psaturn  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:25:03am

I think Obama is getting angrier and angrier...

I was reading an article about Obama telling the Republicans to lay off his wife. He was using the reasoning that Republicans was for family values and that their attacking his wife was against family values that the Republican espouse...

Huh?

27 bald headed geek  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:25:04am

He's atrocious. And the scary thing is, he may very well be our next President. It'll be like having a younger version of President Peanut Farmer in the White House.

BHG

28 zombie  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:25:08am

re: #18 buzzsawmonkey

...
6) Obama: "Oops."

Actually, it will be:

6) Obama: "IT"S BUSH'S FAULT!"

29 jcm  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:25:20am

Hey!

B. Hussein's right.

Iran can only field a few kilotons.
Russian had Gigatons.

What's the core of an American city or Tel-Aviv in the big picture?

See nothing to worry about, beside when B. Hussein's POTUS he'll be best buds with Dinnerjacket.

No worries

////

30 Peacekeeper  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:25:24am

The threat is tiny?

For a minute there I thought you was quoting Michelle.

31 Iron Fist  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:25:30am

re: #3 zombie,

Iran can only build small atomic bombs. Nothing to fear here.

32 chedub  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:25:35am

Bush's fault? They've only been attacking and killing Americans since 1979.

It's because of Bush the threat is tiny. If they were allowed to do as they please with out the fear of repercussion they would likely have a full nuclear arsenal now.

Side note: Obama just said we're at a "defining moment in history." Aren't we always at a defining moment? I'd like to see someone say "right now we could do nothing, cause this moment is fairly unimportant."

33 littleben  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:25:41am

Israel is a "tiny" country. Its Bush's fault for not allowing it to be merged into a "democratic one state solution".

CHANGE(is now defined).

34 Mad Mullah  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:25:49am

Obama was born a Muslim, he should probably know better than to spew naive, liberal garbage out of his appeasing mouth.

There is no comparison between Iran and the former Soviet Union. The Soviets were not suicidal and they did not have a death wish. The threat of mutual destruction only works with two sides that are both civilized and have a genuine desire to avoid conflict.

Iran, which is ruled by maniacal religious, terrorist supporting fanatics is a different story. ImamadJihad, the president of Iran believes in the return of some ridiculous hidden imam, and I believe that Iran would gladly sacrifice itself to further the Islamic cause.

35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:26:17am

re: #14 zombie

It's a ridiculous comparison.

"The Soviet Union had enough nukes to completely obliterate life on Earth. Iran, by comparison, may only make enough nukes to kill a measly ten million people. The threat is tiny by comparison! What's ten million people more or less?"

Completely insane comparison. When you're dealing with a theocracy who believes dying while killing the infidel grants you a get into paradise free card, one nuke is a nuke too many.

36 maddogg  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:26:20am

re: #30 Peacekeeper

The threat is tiny?

For a minute there I thought you was quoting Michelle.

Now, thats low class:)

37 Sizzlack  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:26:44am

Obama continues to talk in the past and it is driving me apeshit. It is irrelevant what MADE Iran a threat, all that is relevant is that Iran IS a threat. All that matters to him is pinning the blame on Bush for everything that is an issue, while offering zero advice on how he may approach these problems...have the moonbats degraded so much that they are willing to elect someone solely on the "Its George Bushs damn fault!" so vote for me because its HIS fault!

38 Peacekeeper  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:27:07am

Japan will never attack Pearl Harbor-it would mean a war that they know they cannot win.

39 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:27:20am

Let's re-word.

Because of George Bush, Iran is a tiny threat instead of a large threat.

There. Fixed it.

40 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:27:24am

re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Completely insane comparison. When you're dealing with a theocracy who believes dying while killing the infidel grants you a get into paradise free card, one nuke is a nuke too many.

It boggles the mind why this asshole moron can't understand that?

41 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:27:28am
42 kimi  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:27:37am

I've got what Fox broadcast TiVo'd and I'll transcribe it. I just spent a few minutes yelling at the TV and my obtuse junior senator (who doesn't even seem to understand that Kentucky actually shares a border with Illinois!)

43 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:27:43am

re: #1 Nevergiveup

This guy is dangerous.

/more dangerous than you think

44 NoSubmission  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:27:54am

Obama sees his own wife as more of a threat right now than Iran.

45 Sizzlack  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:28:32am

Anyone else notice he said "there is one war we have to win, and that is the war in Afghanistan". When it came to Iraq he said nothing other than the fact hes been opposed to it since the beginning. So therefore, because hes always been opposed to it, hes fine letting our country lose if he means he gets to be President. Good god.

46 psaturn  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:28:39am

Iran is a much bigger thread because of the Islamic belief behind it.

Russia at least had the 'Christian' values that prevented the war because they did not want to cause untold deaths, thus the MAD (mutual assured destruction) as a deterrence worked.

But with Islam, with destruction as a goal to read the Islamic paradise, there is no such thing as a deterrence.

47 laxmatt1984  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:29:33am

The USSR had thousands of nuclear warheads; Iran has zero.

Never mind that MAD is a morally bankrupt policy.

Never mind that weapons proliferation - that is, the spread of weapons to unstable regimes - is more dangerous than a single empire possessing thousands of weapons.

Never mind that Islamic radicalism has already attacked America on a scale the USSR never dreamed of.

Never mind that Iran is currently murdering American soldiers, finding Hamas and Hezbollah, and is acting as much as a revisionist power as the USSR did in the 1950's.

You get the idea. Obama has no clue what he is talking about.

48 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:30:18am
49 bulwrk  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:30:27am

A midget with a big gun can still kill you.

50 alegrias  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:30:29am

Ahmedinejad is no Mikhail Gorbachov, who partnered for disarmament with Ronald Reagan.

There is no glasnost or perestroika in Iran.

JJimmy Carter is the fool who created mullacracies with nukes.

51 rawmuse  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:30:51am

Stupid plus arrogant. A bad combination.

52 opnion  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:31:05am

Folks he is an overly coddled product of the entitlement society.
You get the feeling that he has woolly caterpillars crawling around in his brain.
But, he pulled 75,000 people to a rally in Portland yesterday.
Fox reported it as the largest crowd ever at a rally. They will vote.

53 cblesz  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:31:24am

My standard line: Obama is full of shit...I cannot believe anyone buys this crap and nobody questions him. Oh, that's right...his views on Iran are off limits.

54 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:31:39am

Lets ask Obama this, two guys move into your neighborhood. One is a former Marine who is fairly stable, has an okay job, kind of an asshole and a reasonable collection of firearms (say me for instance :)), the other is a strung out junkie, prone to screaming fits and making threats, multiple arrests and nutty as a fruitcake, who is armed with a crappy old .38.

OK, Barry, who is more dangerous to you?

55 zombie  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:32:07am

re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Completely insane comparison. When you're dealing with a theocracy who believes dying while killing the infidel grants you a get into paradise free card, one nuke is a nuke too many.

Now that I think about it, Obama has the threat assessment completely reversed.

The Soviet Union, for all its power and aggression, feared its own death. The were deterred by the principle of Mutually Assured Destruction.

The leaders of Iran are clinically insane and look forward to martyrdom and paradise.

So, my assessment is that the threat from Iran is actually much GREATER because they're not afraid to use their nukes, whereas the Soviet Union was.

56 mean Gene  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:32:35am

Is Obama in de Nile?
Or is he on the side of Iran, Hezb'allah and al Qaeda?
I guess asymmetric threats are way over his head.

57 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:32:40am
Barack Obama making ludicrous ahistorical comparisons between Iran and the Soviet Union, to argue that the threat from Iran is “tiny"

/Israel could not be reached for comment

58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:33:29am

re: #53 cblesz

My standard line: Obama is full of shit...I cannot believe anyone buys this crap and nobody questions him. Oh, that's right...his views on Iran are off limits.

I got to get me one of those race cards. They get you out of everything.

59 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:33:49am

Embalma is injecting the formaldehyde direct into his own veins. He must have some great need to self sabotage this campaign. American's, even the dumbest of the dumb understand the threat of Iran.

Go Embalma!

60 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:33:58am

re: #45 Sizzlack

Anyone else notice he said "there is one war we have to win, and that is the war in Afghanistan". When it came to Iraq he said nothing other than the fact hes been opposed to it since the beginning. So therefore, because hes always been opposed to it, hes fine letting our country lose if he means he gets to be President. Good god.

Of course he's against the Iraq war. It put one of his contributor's clients out of business.

61 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:34:12am

Anybody still thinking of sitting out this election, only has to listen to Obama's ideas on foreign policy, proliferation of weapons, and his warped view of recent history to know it is time to step up to the plate.

62 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:34:43am

re: #56 mean Gene

Is Obama in de Nile?
Or is he on the side of Iran, Hezb'allah and al Qaeda?

/ya think?

63 Sponge  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:35:00am

Just an opinion, but if this is the best we can come up with in this country as the choice for the leader of the free world, we're doomed.

64 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:35:00am

re: #54 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lets ask Obama this, two guys move into your neighborhood. One is a former Marine who is fairly stable, has an okay job, kind of an asshole and a reasonable collection of firearms (say me for instance :)), the other is a strung out junkie, prone to screaming fits and making threats, multiple arrests and nutty as a fruitcake, who is armed with a crappy old .38.

OK, Barry, who is more dangerous to you?

Want to buy the house next to me?

65 Abu Boo Boo  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:35:01am

As Netanyahu observed,

The Soviets had irrational goals but pursued them rationally. They did not want to die.

Islamists, in contrast, use irrational means to pursue their irrational goals. They love death.

66 joncelli  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:35:03am

Jimmy Carter 2: Electric Obamaloo. (A short way of saying "no to clueless wannabees!)

67 itellu3times  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:35:06am

re: #48 buzzsawmonkey

Obama/Kipling in 2008!

68 TN_Vol  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:35:17am

If the threat is "tiny" and GWB is responsible isn't that a compliment, unintended or not?

69 Cartman  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:35:23am

See no evil, speak plenty of evil, selectively hear some evil.

70 Silhouette  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:35:44am

re: #55 zombie

Readers Digest version: The Soviets were sane. Iran is not.

I'll take sane evil over insane evil any day of the week. Throw in greed and now you have something to work with.

71 Athos  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:36:06am

re: #57 Killian Bundy

Also not available for comment are the Lebanese Druze who used to reside in Southern Lebanon. I'm sure they are content to learn that a US presidential candidate does not think that Iran (or its proxies) are a real threat to freedom and liberty.

72 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:36:10am

re: #61 Nevergiveup

Anybody still thinking of sitting out this election, only has to listen to Obama's ideas on foreign policy, proliferation of weapons, and his warped view of recent history to know it is time to step up to the plate.

And not just his foreign policy. That's the tip of the iceberg. Barry's domestic policy is just as disasterous, if not moreso. And let's not get into Barry's totalitarian leanings, his Illinois Combine connections, and his connections to terrorists and terrorist supporters both foreign and domestic.

73 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:36:25am

re: #14 zombie

It's a ridiculous comparison.

"The Soviet Union had enough nukes to completely obliterate life on Earth. Iran, by comparison, may only make enough nukes to kill a measly ten million people. The threat is tiny by comparison! What's ten million people more or less?"

Especially when Obama doesn't care about those; they're mostly Jews and the Muslims who get caught with them go to paradise.
And then, Obama will implment sharia in the US, so Iran won't attack. Unless we implement Sunni Sharia.

74 bosforus  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:36:43am

re: #58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I got to get me one of those race cards. They get you out of everything.

My ancestors were white folk here in the Americas since the 1600's. Down a different line I've got Swedish, German, and English. I couldn't hold a race card if I found one in the street. :(

75 freedomplow  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:36:52am

McCain must state that Iran is not more powerful but more isolated.

76 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:36:55am

re: #55 zombie

Now that I think about it, Obama has the threat assessment completely reversed.

The Soviet Union, for all its power and aggression, feared its own death. The were deterred by the principle of Mutually Assured Destruction.

The leaders of Iran are clinically insane and look forward to martyrdom and paradise.

So, my assessment is that the threat from Iran is actually much GREATER because they're not afraid to use their nukes, whereas the Soviet Union was.

Exactly. Barry is just showing his naivety again, assuming that all nations operate under the same belief system and that what works for one will work for another. Classical liberalism at its worst.

77 GreenDroll  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:36:59am

It may well be that we will soon have a POTUS that probably couldn't find Iran on a map if it didn't say 'IRAN' on it in big letters, and who equates a military/terrorism threat to a political threat (Dems take political threats way more seriously than military/terrorism threats for some reason). I hope our government is still organized in such a matter that a weak/stupid president can be compensated for, and cooler/wiser heads will prevail when needed.
America will have the president it deserves, I just hope we don't deserve this guy.

78 Abu Boo Boo  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:37:04am

Obama translated:

If Iran nukes Israel, it will eliminate a longstanding sore.

79 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:37:08am

Obama is a tool.

80 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:37:14am

re: #53 cblesz

My standard line: Obama is full of shit...I cannot believe anyone buys this crap and nobody questions him. Oh, that's right...his views on Iran are off limits.

/he makes manure taste good

81 Ackomanyuki  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:37:23am

re: #54 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Marine. He is not a victim of society, is independent, self suffcient, and will sacrifice self to protect the weak.

Very dangerous to Obama and any other Autocratic Socialist.

82 cblesz  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:37:38am

re: #61 Nevergiveup

Anybody still thinking of sitting out this election, only has to listen to Obama's ideas on foreign policy, proliferation of weapons, and his warped view of recent history to know it is time to step up to the plate.


I do think the more that he bloviates, the more that conservatives will start to crap themselves and begin to see that the destruction that this guy and the misssus will create will be overwhelming. it will be worse than they thought (4 years of a little pain) and come out and vote. (I HOPE)

83 jaunte  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:37:50am

re: #62 Killian Bundy

Did you see this?

On May 14 Barack Obama held a private meeting at Macomb Community College with Hassan Qazwini. Qazwini is the leader of the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn. Debbie Schlussel describes Qazwini as Hezbollah's most important imam and agent in America.
[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]
84 Charles  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:37:58am

Obama understands that history is not the most popular subject in American schools, and he's cynically playing on the general lack of historical knowledge to make comparisons that are so unbalanced, they're beyond belief. He may not even really be clear about the history himself.

But people were applauding and cheering for these points.

85 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:38:05am

re: #78 Abu Boo Boo

Obama translated:

If Iran nukes Israel, it will eliminate a longstanding sore.

Cauterize it?

/carter-ize it?

86 opnion  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:38:13am

The comparison with the Soviet Union is off of the mark.
The Soviets did not want to die. Communists are atheists, they have nowhere to go.
The little Iranian & the mad mullahs actually believe all of that Koranic crap.
They are willing to die as long as they take us with them.
Barry was schooled in Islam, he has to know this.

87 little boomer  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:38:17am

To quote Barry "We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK,"
I've stopped feeding my children, dismantled the furnace and given up my van in order to placate Yemen and Myanmar.

88 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:38:21am

re: #83 jaunte

Yes, I reported on it last week in the spinoff links.

89 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:38:26am

re: #70 Silhouette

Readers Digest version: The Soviets were sane. Iran is not.

Obama may believe this understanding cannot be understood by the electorate.

90 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:38:41am

Since he already knows he is going to appease these maniacs, even when they use the same language and threats as Hitler (referring to Jews as vermin, diseases and insects, call for Israel's death, even saying Israel is already dead), he has NO BACK UP PLAN IF HE IS WRONG.

and by then it will be too late.

You cannot say you are sorry when you were warned of the consequences of your actions, you cannot bring back the dead and you cannot un-nuke something.

Just as Chamberlain helped Hitler by never demanding his ouster as policy, Obama helps the Ayatollahs get their nuke. Allowing dangerous dictators to arm themselves when they publicly call for war, is suicidal if you are attacked, murderous if you let someone else get it in the neck for your intellectual and moral bankruptcy. Israel is to Poland as Obama is to Chamberlain as Lebanon is to Austria as Iraq is to Spain.

The pattern is the familiar threat of a fascist dictatorship hell bent on war and genocide. As always the left is in lock-step with the aggressors, both blind to the danger and blinding those around them as well. Then the dagger comes out and its too late. Hitler missed Moscow by 25 miles, in the nuclear age, that is as good as a hit.

91 chaz  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:38:52am

To OB does "tiny" mean a threat of tiny magnitude, or a massive threat with a "tiny" probability of being executed?

Enquiring minds want to know.

92 Maine's Michael  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:39:08am

Let's see.

7 years ago, a bunch of guys squatting in tents picking at a boilded goats head with theri fingers brought down the World Trade Center and cost us trillions in losses, when all consequent damages are factored in.

What could Iran, an actual state, do?

Obama doesn't get terrorism.

Terrorism is highly efficient in causing damage disproportionate to the resources at the disposal of the terrorists.

What a maroon.

Anyway, I'm not sure what all the fuss s about.

Islam in the 'Religion of Peace'. President Dances-With-Saudis told me so.

93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:39:11am

re: #84 Charles

Obama understands that history is not the most popular subject in American schools, and he's cynically playing on the general lack of historical knowledge to make comparisons that are so unbalanced, they're beyond belief. He may not even really be clear about the history himself.

But people were applauding and cheering for these points.

But he is so clean and well spoken.

94 zombie  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:39:19am

re: #84 Charles

Obama understands that history is not the most popular subject in American schools, and he's cynically playing on the general lack of historical knowledge to make comparisons that are so unbalanced, they're beyond belief. He may not even really be clear about the history himself.

He was, after all, a leader of the "choomer squad" in high school. (Late '70s Hawaiian slang for pot-head.)

95 bosforus  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:39:49am

re: #84 Charles

Which also gives us people who can't learn from the past.

96 alegrias  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:39:55am

re: #75 freedomplow

McCain must state that Iran is not more powerful but more isolated.

* * *
How is Iran more isolated when the EU countries that were supposed to "negotiate without preconditions" with Iran, and UN's El Baradei who was supposed to stop Iran's nuclear proliferation, AID & ABET Iran? All these people do business with Iran.

97 seekeroftruth  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:40:16am

Goodness - what part of Ahmedinejad repeatedly saying he wants to wipe Israel and the US off the face of the earth doesn't he not understand? This man is so dangerous - shame on the Democrat party for foisting this idiot on the American people and the damn media for covering up for him.

98 jcm  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:40:18am

re: #50 alegrias

Ahmedinejad is no Mikhail Gorbachov, who partnered for disarmament with Ronald Reagan.

There is no glasnost or perestroika in Iran.

JJimmy Carter is the fool who created mullacracies with nukes.

I wouldn't say Gorbachov "partnered" with RWR. He was trying desperately hold onto the Soviet Union. Reagan played him into a corner.

At Reykjavik Gorbachov was ready to deal away a huge chunk of the Soviet Nuclear arsenal for terminating SDI. Reagan walked out.

Reagan and John Paul II pulled Poland out of the Soviet sphere. Reagan and the CIA played a lot of games with the Soviets that cost them billions, the natural gas pumps and the shuttle among them. Reagan challenged Soviet clients around the world, causing the Soviets to invest more money than they could afford propping up the clients. The Reagan defense build up further stress the Soviet economy. Finally Reagan cut off our support for the Russian economy, remember Carter's grain shipments? Russian had to buy food with hard currency, no more of Carter's bribes for peace.

Gorbachov got his ass handed to him by Reagan.

99 EE  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:40:43am

It's Barack Neville-Chamberlain Obama!

"WE are the ones we have been waiting for! WE are the Second Coming of the Great Prophet Neville Chamberlain, and WE have come in order to bring Peace In Our Time! "

"WE DENY that there is any threat; and EVEN IF there were one it could be overcome through the miracle of appeasement, whose importance the hated Bush-McCain axis of non-appeasement has tried to trivialize."

"CHANGE to Appeasement, the CHANGE you can believe in!"

100 Athos  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:40:52am

re: #84 Charles

He may not even really be clear about the history himself.

Given the number of historical misstatements that Obama has uttered in the last several months, its clear that he does not know the facts and lessons of history.

101 freedomplow  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:41:10am

McCain must state that Iran is not more powerful but more isolated.
And giving Ahmadinejad legitimacy will strengthen him in the world and his unpopularity at home.

102 jaunte  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:41:14am

re: #88 Honorary Yooper

Good, keep talking about it!

103 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:42:11am

re: #86 opnion

The comparison with the Soviet Union is off of the mark.
The Soviets did not want to die. Communists are atheists, they have nowhere to go.
The little Iranian & the mad mullahs actually believe all of that Koranic crap.
They are willing to die as long as they take us with them.
Barry was schooled in Islam, he has to know this.

His Koranic Schooling was at a very early age. I went to Catholic School as a kid and I remember nothing except getting my knuckles slammed with a ruler. kidding.

104 Maximu§  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:42:13am

Germany and Japan were considered "tiny" in 1936 and look what they did....Obama needs to pick up a history book.

105 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:42:15am

re: #65 Abu Boo Boo

As Netanyahu observed,

The Soviets had irrational goals but pursued them rationally. They did not want to die.

Islamists, in contrast, use irrational means to pursue their irrational goals. They love death.

Right. G-dless communists want to create paradise on Earth. (They actually create hell, but that's a different problem)
If they get nuked, it is much harder to make a paradise.
Amadmanonjihad is looking for paradise in the next world. If his country gets nuked, it is their ticket to paradise.

MAD worked against the Soviets; it won't work where the "penalty", death, is desired, as long as they kill Jews first.

106 zombie  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:42:19am

Ah, excuse me -- it was the "choom gang," not the "choomer squad":

Senior portraits show smiling graduates alongside added personal touches, such as snapshots of friends or pets, poetry, slogans and fond farewells.

"Barry" Obama, as he was then known, wears a 1970s-style wide-collared shirt and sports jacket, his hair in a neatly trimmed afro that covers the tops of his ears.

He added a photo of himself playing basketball, and a shot entitled "Still Life" that includes numerous items. Among them are a trophy, telephone, turntable and beer bottle.

A package of "Zig-Zag" rolling papers and a matchbook are prominently displayed in front, and in a brief caption he thanked the "Choom Gang" and others "for all the good times."

Obama wrote candidly in his autobiography about drug and alcohol use, and mentioned that a close friend had been arrested for drug possession during his high school years.

Getting high was "something that could push questions of who I was out of my mind."

107 experiencedtraveller  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:42:25am

re: #84 Charles

The abandonment of the study of history is a mistake of historical proportion.

108 IPLaw  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:42:25am

The beautiful part is that he's making McCain look good.

109 alegrias  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:42:30am

re: #86 opnion

The comparison with the Soviet Union is off of the mark.
The Soviets did not want to die. Communists are atheists, they have nowhere to go.
The little Iranian & the mad mullahs actually believe all of that Koranic crap.
They are willing to die as long as they take us with them.
Barry was schooled in Islam, he has to know this.

* * *
Even atheist Soviets who imposed Marxism as their religion, had orthodox Christian roots or were aware of their country's Christian roots, though Christianity & Judaism weren't allowed to be practiced.

110 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:42:34am

re: #102 jaunte

Good, keep talking about it!

Hey, I'm pushing everything I can about Obama's unsavory connections. :-)

111 bellamags  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:42:41am

re: #39 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

thats what i thought.

112 Abu Boo Boo  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:42:49am

re: #84 Charles

Obama understands that history is not the most popular subject in American schools, and he's cynically playing on the general lack of historical knowledge to make comparisons that are so unbalanced, they're beyond belief. He may not even really be clear about the history himself...

There's an understatement. Government-run schools indoctrination centers threw out history and replaced it with discussions of current events decades ago.

Here's how it works:

1. Denounce history as just memorizing useless dates
2. Replace it with discussions in which students display their emotional intelligence [sic]
3. Get most kids to embrace establishment opinions via peer pressure.

113 Charles  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:43:06am

I'd like to know if Barack Obama has read any of the historical books on WWII and the Cold War.

I'm betting ... not.

114 jaunte  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:43:32am

We've been taking losses for awhile from that 'tiny' threat.
Obama is a callous *%##()

115 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:44:00am

re: #84 Charles

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

And we'll have only ourselves to blame...

116 Maine's Michael  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:44:08am

re: #70 Silhouette

Readers Digest version: The Soviets were sane. Iran is not.

That is so politically incorrect.

Who are we to decide who is sane and who is not?

Perhaps, to the Iranians, we are not sane.

117 lawhawk  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:44:37am

Tiny how? Like tiny enough to ignore or appease, whichever is easiest once you meet with Ahmadinejad and the mad mullahs?

You know, Ahmadinejad has been to the US before - twice in fact.

And in both instances, he showed off just how batty he is. The first time he claimed to see auras - not a good sign if you're trying to determine whether he's rational (a sign of serious dementia in fact).

The second time, he claimed that there were no gays in Iran. None. Nada. Nil. Zip. Zilch.

Each time, he's also issued a da'wa to the US - submit or pay the consequences. And a country like Iran, which traffics in terrorism, is going to go to its old standbys as necessary. It has two proxy armies in Hizbullan and Hamas that threaten our ally Israel, even as they also threaten Egypt and Lebanon. Mere trifles according to Obama.

118 bellamags  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:44:46am

re: #92 Maine's Michael

don't make the mistake of thinking terrorists are primative. They are organized and mobile and had the intelligence to pull off 9-11.

119 NoSubmission  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:45:03am

Then 19 hijackers would seem tiny to him too...

120 rosterguard99  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:45:06am

re: #32 chedub

Bush's fault? They've only been attacking and killing Americans since 1979.

And what was Bush DOING about it back in 1979?

Exactly.

/moonbat mode off

122 opnion  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:45:07am

re: #94 zombie

He was, after all, a leader of the "choomer squad" in high school. (Late '70s Hawaiian slang for pot-head.)

In one of his books, I think that it was 'Dreams of my Father", Barry claims that racism made him turn to drugs.You know, dull the pain.
He was in HAWAII for God's sake. What racism?

123 alegrias  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:45:27am

re: #98 jcm

I wouldn't say Gorbachov "partnered" with RWR. He was trying desperately hold onto the Soviet Union. Reagan played him into a corner.

At Reykjavik Gorbachov was ready to deal away a huge chunk of the Soviet Nuclear arsenal for terminating SDI. Reagan walked out.

Reagan and John Paul II pulled Poland out of the Soviet sphere. Reagan and the CIA played a lot of games with the Soviets that cost them billions, the natural gas pumps and the shuttle among them. Reagan challenged Soviet clients around the world, causing the Soviets to invest more money than they could afford propping up the clients. The Reagan defense build up further stress the Soviet economy. Finally Reagan cut off our support for the Russian economy, remember Carter's grain shipments? Russian had to buy food with hard currency, no more of Carter's bribes for peace.

Gorbachov got his ass handed to him by Reagan.

* * *
Quibble Quibble! I still say Gorby UBER Ahmedinejad any day of the week.

Gorby was a better "partner" than Ahmedinejad will ever be. We'd been antagonists with USSR for 70 years, and things ended peacefully because Soviets were "western-values" oriented.

124 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:45:29am

As others here have noted MAD does not work when the other guy is a nutjob who actually thinks dying is a good idea!

Ahmadinejad is a Twelver, a fanatics fanatic, he built a boulevard so the 12th Imam can have a nice parade when he comes back after 1000 years!

By contrast, the USSR were certain that communism was a scientific historical process and they were therefore inevitably destined to defeat capitalism. Marx as a Religion died 17 years ago; the Twelvers are rising fast!

125 lawhawk  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:45:45am

re: #113 Charles

I'd like to know if Barack Obama has read any of the historical books on WWII and the Cold War.

I'm betting ... not.

Clearly not. Or if he did, he decided that he didn't like the outcomes.

126 Silhouette  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:45:52am

re: #106 zombie

Getting high was "something that could push questions of who I was out of my mind."

Wah, wah, wah. You're of mixed race. Big deal. So are ....well, almost everybody in the US.

"Who you are" is not a product of Daddy's or Mommy's ancestry. To think otherwise is the root of racism.

127 rawmuse  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:45:53am

re: #63 Sponge

Just an opinion, but if this is the best we can come up with in this country as the choice for the leader of the free world, we're doomed.

You may be correct, and this may be precisely the way it happens. I keep telling my wife, imagine one day you wake up, your currency is worthless, all state offices are bankrupt and closed, there is no gasoline to be purchased at any price, and stores have nothing but empty shelves, your passport has been forged any number of times, making it worthless. It can and does happen to nations once they get on the socialist train to paradise. I have seen it.

128 Abu Boo Boo  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:45:54am

re: #113 Charles

I'd like to know if Barack Obama has read any of the historical books on WWII and the Cold War.

I'm betting ... not.

Heck, I'd like to know if he's read the Constitution.

129 lurking faith  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:46:21am

re: #37 Sizzlack

Obama continues to talk in the past and it is driving me apeshit. It is irrelevant what MADE Iran a threat, all that is relevant is that Iran IS a threat. All that matters to him is pinning the blame on Bush for everything that is an issue, while offering zero advice on how he may approach these problems...have the moonbats degraded so much that they are willing to elect someone solely on the "Its George Bushs damn fault!" so vote for me because its HIS fault!

Never underestimate the mental degradation of a true moonbat.

131 zombie  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:46:57am

re: #122 opnion

In one of his books, I think that it was 'Dreams of my Father", Barry claims that racism made him turn to drugs.You know, dull the pain.
He was in HAWAII for God's sake. What racism?

Well, as Charles can probably tell you, in certain neighborhoods there is plenty of anti-haole racism. Though it's probably a lot worse now in the identity politics era than when Charles was growing up.

132 cblesz  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:47:02am

re: #128 Abu Boo Boo

Heck, I'd like to know if he's read the Constitution.

Awesome...post of the day!

133 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:47:10am

Raymond?

/John Frankenheimer was filming when Obama was born

134 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:47:58am

Hat, meet ass.

135 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:48:23am

Every day this guy provides better and better material for the R-527 commercials.

Opening scene:

Dinnerjacket speaking on wiping out Israel, stinking corpse and all (Little Satan/Giant Satan - Death to America chants). Then simply fade to Obama's speech - about how minor the Iranian threat is.

136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:48:48am

Zombster...loved the quote on that page.


"I think we need to rethink and decriminalize our marijuana laws," Mr. Obama said during a debate at Northwestern University. "But I'm not somebody who believes in legalization of marijuana."

Was that in the same breath?

137 Iron Fist  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:48:52am

re: #84 Charles,

Odds are BHO thought Reagan was the bad guy during the last part of the Cold War. We know Teddy Kennedy and other top Democrats did.

138 Colonel Panik  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:48:52am

Maybe Bawrock O'Bommer means that "Aquavelvajad", as Dennis Miller likes to call him, is pretty short.

139 looking closely  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:48:58am

Hey dumbass,

How much do you think gasoline is going to cost when Iran has the bomb?

140 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:49:13am
141 really grumpy big dog johnson  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:49:21am

On Fox News, they keep saying this crowd listening to Obama speak is 75-80 thousand people. I've been part of crowds that were literallly hundreds of thousands of people, and compared to those, this gathering in a little park is like "a postage stamp on a football field."

I guess whatever the crowd is, it will be called something at least ten times larger, in order to enhance the image of a "tidal wave" of support for America's most faulty candidate.

142 opnion  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:49:25am

re: #103 unrealizedviewpoint

His Koranic Schooling was at a very early age. I went to Catholic School as a kid and I remember nothing except getting my knuckles slammed with a ruler. kidding.

I went to Catholic school & they drill a lot into you head.
Obama, while in Indonesia took Islamic studies in school, two hours per day for five years.
You would hope that he knows the difference between a Marxist & Islamist's that welcome death.
If he missed that lesson, then he should watch the news.

143 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:49:37am

re: #123 alegrias

Actually you are more right than you know- Gorby had the decency, when the USSR collapsed, to not destroy the world.

144 winston06  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:49:49am

Hussein Obama is a scary Marxist Democrat. He must be defeated this November or the US will see a historical decline.

145 Athos  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:49:54am

re: #136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Zombster...loved the quote on that page.


"I think we need to rethink and decriminalize our marijuana laws," Mr. Obama said during a debate at Northwestern University. "But I'm not somebody who believes in legalization of marijuana."

Was that in the same breath?

The early version of voting present.

146 IPLaw  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:50:00am

Barack is provoking a backlash against his crazy ideals, creating an us (BHO) versus them (you) society, which will justify his conversion to Islam once in office. You see, he's going to make us "abuse" him and his beliefs so much that a conversion away from everything American will be natural and justifiable.

147 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:50:03am

re: #136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Zombster...loved the quote on that page.


"I think we need to rethink and decriminalize our marijuana laws," Mr. Obama said during a debate at Northwestern University. "But I'm not somebody who believes in legalization of marijuana."

Was that in the same breath?

It was an exhale, not an inhale.

148 Sizzlack  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:50:44am

re: #113 Charles

Obama's knowledge of WW2...

Japanese Internment Camps
Bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
Fire Bombing of Dresden

The rest is unimportant filler

149 opnion  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:51:04am

re: #128 Abu Boo Boo

Heck, I'd like to know if he's read the Constitution.

Not ours

150 Sunlight  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:51:04am

re: #14 zombie

It's a ridiculous comparison.

"The Soviet Union had enough nukes to completely obliterate life on Earth. Iran, by comparison, may only make enough nukes to kill a measly ten million people. The threat is tiny by comparison! What's ten million people more or less?"

Even less of a problem since 7 mil will be Israelis. So really it's only 3 mil that he cares about. Tiny.
/

151 Charles  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:51:11am

No one has asked him yet if he plans cuts in military funding.

152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:51:16am

re: #141 really grumpy big dog johnson

Ya'know Grumpy, I wouldn't doubt the numbers a bit. Looked like a pretty big crowd there. Just ask Chris Rock, what a place to go hunting for sex.

153 little boomer  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:51:16am

Does Mr Obama realize that Tuesday, November 4th is our national election day AND Iranian "Death to America" Day?

154 alegrias  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:51:37am

re: #113 Charles

I'd like to know if Barack Obama has read any of the historical books on WWII and the Cold War.

I'm betting ... not.

* * *
Remember when President Roosevelt said "All we have to fear is Bush himself"? It was during the Great Depression, or when Schicklgruber invaded Poland or the Sudetenland. Or on December 7, 1941, 'A Day that Bush will live in infamy" forever.

That was in my history book!

/California college leftist history book

155 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:52:05am

re: #151 Charles

No one has asked him yet if he plans cuts in military funding.

I think the word is "gut"

156 cblesz  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:52:18am

How are Barry's views going to bring this country together? His policy positions will in NO WAY bring us together, let alone his personal beliefs?

157 NonNativeTexan  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:52:29am

The narrative has been skewed wrongly. The point is not that
the US action in Iraq has made Iran stronger. Rather it is , has
President's Bush policies made Saddam stronger? Has his policies
made Bin Laden stronger? He exercised his policy against the
Tali ban and Saddam, not Iran. If we followed the same against Iran,
Iran would be made weaker also. Talking to Saddam did not weaken him, destroying his regime weakened him.

158 bellamags  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:52:33am

re: #135 unrealizedviewpoint

sweet.

159 realwest  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:52:53am

Hey Y'all - just dropped in after listening to Obama.
What he did not specifically address were three points:
a) What is he going to talk to Iran about concerning the State of Israel?
b) What is he going to talk to Iran about concerning their continuing arming of and frequently sending their special troops (Quods) into Iraq and murdering Americans (not to mention lots of other Muslims)?
c) What is he going to talk to Iran about Iran's continuing threats to send suicide bombers into the United States to attack us here.
Fuck any comparison to the Old Soviet Empire. Those are the points which Senator Obama HAS to address.
And frankly, Senator McCain was absolutely correct when he wondered, in his remarks "What is Senator Obama going to talk to Iran about?"

I think if we hold on long enough, Obama is gonna commit political suicide - you can see it coming down the tracks like a freight train gaining speed.

160 shibumi  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:53:15am

re: #113 Charles

I'd like to know if Barack Obama has read any of the historical books on WWII and the Cold War.

I'm betting ... not.

Personally I'm not even sure Obama's read a book voluntarily, let alone a history book written by white men about white events using big white person words .

/wish I could use a sarc tag

161 zombie  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:53:19am

re: #154 alegrias

* * *
Remember when President Roosevelt said "All we have to fear is Bush himself"? It was during the Great Depression, or when Schicklgruber invaded Poland or the Sudetenland. Or on December 7, 1941, 'A Day that Bush will live in infamy" forever.

How could it live in infamy -- Schicklgruber's demands were entirely reasonable!

162 alegrias  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:53:36am

As for Cold War history, who can forget when Soviet Nikita Kruschev banged his shoe at the UN and said "Bush will bury you!".

163 Cartman  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:53:36am

re: #113 Charles

I'd like to know if Barack Obama has read any of the historical books on WWII and the Cold War.

I'm betting ... not.

Too busy reading The Communist Manifesto.

164 Sizzlack  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:53:37am

re: #151 Charles

No one has asked him yet if he plans cuts in military funding.

Well given he said something like Iran spends 1/100th of what we do on the military, and that he doesn't consider them much of a threat
chances are he'd like to narrow the gap between us
maybe make us only spend 1/25th of what Iran spends

165 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:54:07am

re: #151 Charles

No one has asked him yet if he plans cuts in military funding.

Que the video folks. I saw it but am linkless.

166 Maine's Michael  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:54:12am

re: #118 bellamags

Uh, that was my point.

Just 'cause Iran seems to be a basket case doesn;t mean they can;t hurt us, badly.

Technology is cheap today.

Jet plane flying lessons were cheap prior to 911.

167 Charles  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:54:16am

Fox News blow-dried heads just grinned and agreed with Obama that his wife should be off limits.

Sheesh.

168 opnion  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:54:22am

re: #131 zombie

Well, as Charles can probably tell you, in certain neighborhoods there is plenty of anti-haole racism. Though it's probably a lot worse now in the identity politics era than when Charles was growing up.

Well thats true. The whole haole thing gets tedious. but I have never seen anti black racism in the Islands.

169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:54:27am

Is it too late to start the rumor that HRC is from Oregon to get some votes?

/

170 rusty_armor  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:54:41am

Tiny threats for tiny minds . . .

171 lawhawk  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:54:42am

re: #148 Sizzlack

Obama's knowledge of WW2...

Japanese Internment Camps
Bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
Fire Bombing of Dresden

The rest is unimportant filler

Have no doubt that he'll inevitably cite to the recent disclosures of mass executions by the South Korean government during the beginning of the Korean war of tens of thousands of prisoners, including many under the watchful eye of US military officials. He'll try the moral equivalence game.

172 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:54:44am

re: #139 looking closely

Hey dumbass,

How much do you think gasoline is going to cost when Iran has the bomb?

I don't think Barry cares how much gasoline costs. The libs want gasoline prices to stay high, to force behavioral changes in Americans.

173 winston06  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:54:54am

re: #151 Charles

He has already stated that he will. Didn't you see that youtube video in which he says he will cut defense spending and space weapons and such?

174 realwest  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:54:56am

OK, gotta run for LUNCH! Hope to see all y'all later on!

175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:54:59am

re: #167 Charles

Fox News blow-dried heads just grinned and agreed with Obama that his wife should be off limits.

Sheesh.

If the "f"sticks can go after Chelsea...

176 bellamags  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:55:31am

re: #140 taxfreekiller

you forgot:

- UN Islamic apologist visits US to monitor the role of "racism" in the 08 election.

177 winston06  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:55:34am

Hussein Obama is willing to sacrifice people to win an election

178 zombie  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:56:01am

re: #167 Charles

Fox News blow-dried heads just grinned and agreed with Obama that his wife should be off limits.

He's using her like a human shield.

She's allowed to stand in front and throw rocks at the soldiers. But if they fire back -- they're eeeevviilll.

179 Tumulus11  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:56:02am

. Well, you see, Mr. Hussein, H_tler was just like that bad produce manager at Whole Foods, only he tried to drive up arugula prices right across Europe.
/

180 zeebeach  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:56:04am

re: #146 IPLaw

I don't think any "conversion to Islam once in office" is necessary. I'm starting to believe he's always been a Muslim. This is truly frightening.

181 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:56:10am

re: #161 zombie

How could it live in infamy -- Schicklgruber's demands were entirely reasonable!

And if those bastard Poles hadn't crossed the border and killed those innocent Germans ( who look suspiciously like concentration camp inmates, but I digress) guarding that radio station there never would have been a Jewish financed war!

182 Abu Boo Boo  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:56:13am

Any guesses how Obama's pastor and friend Jeremiah Wright will react when he hears Tel Aviv has been nuked?

183 bellamags  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:56:13am

re: #166 Maine's Michael

sorry. I just read the first paragraph (the one about the goat head).

184 Charles  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:56:24am

re: #168 opnion

Well thats true. The whole haole thing gets tedious. but I have never seen anti black racism in the Islands.

I have to admit that I have. I used to work in a band in Hawaii with a black musician, and yes, I can assure you that Hawaii has its share. Like any place with human beings in it.

185 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:56:57am

re: #151 Charles

you need to ask?

186 faraway  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:57:05am

The more ObamaX talks, the better I like him. Keep talking, sweetie.

187 gop_patriot  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:57:12am

re: #178 zombie

Very good analogy. On more than one level.

188 Pyrocles  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:57:21am

Reminds me of a bumpersticker I saw yesterday: "Friends don't let friends vote Republican"...

Or one I saw a few months ago: "Republicans for Voldemort!"

/sigh

I notice that only moonbats apply these type of snarky bumperstickers to their cars. I guess they're the loud, vocal minority.

re: #24 David Simon

Boilerplate leftism: The only truly evil people in this world are Republicans.

189 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:57:32am
190 realwest  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:57:50am

re: #177 winston06
Obama is a Democrat - it shouldn't come as a surprise to you that he's willing to sacrifice people - Israeli's and Americans, to get into power.
OK, sorry but really have to run.
Hope I get the chance to see you all down the road!

191 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:58:09am

re: #184 Charles

I understand (not from first hand experience, mind you) that Native Hawaiians are incredibly anti-white. Or am I totally off.

192 Silhouette  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:58:24am

re: #184 Charles

I can assure you that Hawaii has its share. Like any place with human beings in it.

Death to Places with human beings in it!

/moonbat, fighting racism

193 Cygnus  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:58:55am

If he gets the nomination, Michael "There is No Terrorist Threat" Moore would be the perfect running mate.

/the only tiny thing is his brain

194 lurking faith  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:59:10am

re: #160 shibumi

Personally I'm not even sure Obama's read a book voluntarily, let alone a history book written by white men about white events using big white person words .

/wish I could use a sarc tag

Oh, c'mon - he's extremely comfortable with big words. It's just their actual meaning that he can't deal with.

Rhetoric, yes. Facts, no.

195 Pyrocles  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:59:15am

Didn't Obama say he would stop all new weapons-related research several months ago?

re: #151 Charles

No one has asked him yet if he plans cuts in military funding.

196 Charles  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:59:20am

re: #191 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I understand (not from first hand experience, mind you) that Native Hawaiians are incredibly anti-white. Or am I totally off.

No, not all of them. At least not when I was growing up. But yeah, there was plenty of anti-haole stuff going on. I got in more than one fight because of it.

197 zombie  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:59:24am

re: #184 Charles

I have to admit that I have. I used to work in a band in Hawaii with a black musician, and yes, I can assure you that Hawaii has its share. Like any place with human beings in it.

I've also heard stories that black soldiers stationed at the naval base on Oahu were given the cold shoulder by the locals.

198 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:59:40am

re: #193 Cygnus

If he gets the nomination, Michael "There is No Terrorist Threat" Moore would be the perfect running mate.

/the only tiny thing is his brain

Why are you assuming his......ah never mind!

199 Sizzlack  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:59:50am

re: #171 lawhawk

Have no doubt that he'll inevitably cite to the recent disclosures of mass executions by the South Korean government during the beginning of the Korean war of tens of thousands of prisoners, including many under the watchful eye of US military officials. He'll try the moral equivalence game.

Ah yes the moral equivalence game. It must be so nice and easy for him to sit up there on his high horse talking about moral equivalency and how it may relate to something like World War 2. It matters little to him that he was not there during it, will never know what it felt like, or what the conditions were on the ground daily. It is rather easy for us to sound like geniuses looking back at stuff that happened 70 years ago and making judgments on how things should have played out or who should be blamed for what. Actually being in the sh*t in 1944 lets say, I have a feeling he'd sing a very different tune.

200 Sponge  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:00:08am

re: #106 zombie

Ah, excuse me -- it was the "choom gang," not the "choomer squad":


I'm still a bit confused as to the hypocracy that is GWB alledgedly did some coke and drank in the 70's. BO used to down right party and get wasted often, but that's not an issue..........

201 Cygnus  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:00:24am

re: #182 Abu Boo Boo

Any guesses how Obama's pastor and friend Jeremiah Wright will react when he hears Tel Aviv has been nuked?

Dancing in the street and passing out candy.

202 TheUnrepentantGeek  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:00:30am

A completely typical claim from a BDS sufferer. As if the myriad motivations for Iran's actions (and the actions of other nations) don't predate Bush II by decades.

Don't bother with history - just assume that you've come to the forefront at a special and unique time in history to save us all from the disastrous policies of this eeeeevil President. Messiah. Complex.

203 faraway  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:00:42am

Obama Weenie (updated):
Dark Bun on left
Typical White bun on right
Meat: None (optional tiny weenie)
Bitter cheese
37 Waffle Fries
Drink:Red Whine and sweetie tea
Side order: "pot, or booze; maybe a little blow "
Attire: Chamberlain-style DinnerJacket

204 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:01:09am

re: #151 Charles

No one has asked him yet if he plans cuts in military funding.

Well, he's edited out the statement on his website that he's going to stop the development of new weapons systems, but still . . .

Obama will secure all loose nuclear materials in the world within four years

. . .

Obama will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons, and pursue it. Obama will always maintain a strong deterrent as long as nuclear weapons exist. But he will take several steps down the long road toward eliminating nuclear weapons. He will stop the development of new nuclear weapons

/making reality fictitious

205 Opinionated  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:01:19am

Histroy will judge George W Bush.

If in Nov 2008, Bush knows that Obama is the next President, and that apeasing Iran is dangerous, what will Bush -while he is able- do to stop Iran if he knows Omaba won't?

206 Opinionated  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:01:59am

re: #205 Opinionated

Need edit ability. History

207 looking closely  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:02:24am

re: #164 Sizzlack

Well given he said something like Iran spends 1/100th of what we do on the military, and that he doesn't consider them much of a threat
chances are he'd like to narrow the gap between us
maybe make us only spend 1/25th of what Iran spends

First of all its quality, not quantity. A few nukes beat a lot of infantry.

Second, we're spending so much because we're providing part or all the defense for many nations across the world who are spending all their money on butter and not on guns.

But much more important than either of the above, the fact that Iran doesn't DIRECTLY threaten the US homeland with its military doesn't mean it isn't a threat or can be ignored. Iran, a fascist theocracy, is trying to become the hegemon of the Middle East, and its openly threatening to destroy a neighboring state (which it has already attacked via its proxy in Lebanon).

The Middle east is still a dominant world energy source.

Its harder to imagine a more clear-cut threat to regional and global security than that.

208 Silhouette  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:02:24am

re: #200 Sponge

I'm still a bit confused as to the hypocracy that is GWB alledgedly did some coke and drank in the 70's. BO used to down right party and get wasted often, but that's not an issue..........

File alongside the Clinton campaign, where questions of his avoidance of the draft, going to England, and possibly spending time in Soviet Russia were met with sneers that military service wasn't important. Then, when Dubya runs, suddenly even being in the Guard wasn't military *enough* for the left.

209 Colonel Panik  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:02:36am

re: #173 winston06

He has already stated that he will. Didn't you see that youtube video in which he says he will cut defense spending and space weapons and such?

This one. I've seen numerous postings of it on youtube. Does anyone know if it came from his website or was it a speech to a particular audience?
If so, whom? Move On dot org? Code Pink?

210 Charles  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:02:37am

In Hawaii there's a degrading term for white people/foreigners (haole) and there's also one for black people (popolo).

211 winston06  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:02:49am

re: #205 Opinionated

I think he should bomb the Iranian regime

212 alegrias  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:03:27am

I fully expect Ahmedinejad to be invited to sit in the PResidential Box with Jimmy Carter at the Denver Convention, watching the proceedings contesting who will turn the lights out in America first.

213 THX-42  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:03:30am

It's hard to believe that this guy is still a serious candidate, much less the all but certain nominee of our country's largest political party. And he strikes me less as someone who is naive than someone who is crazy like a fox. This looks more like a carefully calculated Muslim coup of this country, using their surrogate leftist Democrats to depose the Republicans.

214 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:03:34am

re: #206 Opinionated

Need edit ability. History

Maybe it was a Freudian slip. History + destroy Iran = Histroy

215 Iron Fist  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:04:06am

re: #200 Sponge,

You don't understand? Bush is a Republican.

216 Abu Boo Boo  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:05:04am

Obama calls Bush and McCain "naive" for not meeting with the Iranian Jew-hating thug regime.

I see he's going to mention Bush everytime he criticizes McCain.

McCain could mention Neville Chamberlain every time he criticizes Obama.

On second thought, thanks to our totally failed government-run schools indoctrination centers, hardly anyone knows who Neville Chamberlain was.

217 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:05:09am

re: #196 Charles

Anti-haole? Huh.

218 opnion  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:05:44am

re: #175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If the "f"sticks can go after Chelsea...

If Michelle were just a campaign prop, I would agree. But she has jumped into the campaign in a big& very contentious way

219 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:05:50am

re: #196 Charles

Sounds like you were a victim of racism. Poor Charles.

220 seekeroftruth  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:05:56am

re: #209 Colonel Panik

He answers the military cuts question in the first 13 seconds - yes.

221 winston06  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:06:00am

re: #216 Abu Boo Boo

I don't understand how any sane person could vote for this idiot appeaser

222 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:06:09am

re: #216 Abu Boo Boo

Obama calls Bush and McCain "naive" for not meeting with the Iranian Jew-hating thug regime.

I see he's going to mention Bush everytime he criticizes McCain.

McCain could mention Neville Chamberlain every time he criticizes Obama.

On second thought, thanks to our totally failed government-run schools indoctrination centers, hardly anyone knows who Neville Chamberlain was.

Or mention Jimmy Carter every time he says Obama?

223 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:06:19am

I'm confused, Harold Ford, chairman of the DLC said yesterday on MTP, Obama will be running to the center now that the primary's are effectively over and the presumptive candidate has been chosen. Yet Obama seemingly day over day moves farther left. He ain't listening. he's got his own ideas and not only are they dangerous for the country, thank GOD they are dangerous for his campaign.

224 Sunlight  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:06:20am

re: #92 Maine's Michael

I saw another picture of the Pres holding hands with Uncle Abdullah. While I'm nervous about the changing of the guard and have admired Pres. Bush on many topics, I'm hoping that whoever is next won't hold hands in the homeland of our 911 murderers. Just say no.

225 Charles  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:06:30am

re: #219 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sounds like you were a victim of racism. Poor Charles.

As a matter of fact, I was.

Where's my money?

226 debutaunt  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:06:35am

re: #121 zombie

Photo of Barry's "choom gang" high school yearbook page.

"I think we need to rethink and decriminalize our marijuana laws," Mr. Obama said during a debate at Northwestern University. "But I'm not somebody who believes in legalization of marijuana."

Huh?

227 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:06:50am

re: #225 Charles

Heh.

228 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:07:13am

I find it extremely ironic that Obamaman is using the same language "cowboy diplomacy" etc to disparage Bush while turning around and comparing the situation with Iran as less than the USSR with Reagan opposing them. The same language and arguments used against Reagan by the left when he was busy laying the groundwork for the USSR to self destruct... what a hypocritical twit. Dangerous for his ignorance if nothing else... this man need not be near the history eraser button... ever...

229 winston06  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:07:21am

re: #226 debutaunt

He's phony!

230 Norm204  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:07:50am

Obama is historically clueless. Shame on Columbia U.
He said, as an example of a successful Presidential one on one negotiations, that the Cuban missile crisis was solved by Kennedy
talking to Khrushchev.

Gee...thought it was solved by Kennedy bringing us to the brink of a nuclear war forcing the Soviet ships to turn around.

Kennedy and Khrushchev did meet sometime before the crisis and that meeting convinced Khrushchev that Kennedy was weak....this precipitated
the crisis.

He is such a moron....

231 amphibian  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:07:50am

re: #1 Nevergiveup

This guy is dangerous.

Sorry, I jumped in late. But it looks like comment #1 pretty much said what I think anyway.

232 Sponge  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:08:11am

re: #208 Silhouette

Ah yes...I remember now....I can't remember yesterday......I only remember doing what they told me......told me.....told me.....told me.......

233 zombie  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:08:13am

re: #210 Charles

In Hawaii there's a degrading term for white people/foreigners (haole) and there's also one for black people (popolo).

According to my 1950's Hawaiian-English dictionary (yes, I actually own one):

popolo - 1. Negro (slang). 2. Purple nightshade plant, used in tradtional medicine.

Learn something new every day!

234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:08:15am

I went to a majority black high school. Closed down in my sophmore year for a day because of black on white riots. Can I get some money too?

235 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:08:26am

re: #226 debutaunt

"I think we need to rethink and decriminalize our marijuana laws," Mr. Obama said during a debate at Northwestern University. "But I'm not somebody who believes in legalization of marijuana."

Huh?

He wrote that after smoking a fatty.

236 cblesz  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:08:27am

I will say it again. McCain needs to nip this in the bud right now! Barry is going to mention Bush all the time with McCain. McCain needs to come out and have a speech and state clearly that he is not GWB and that GWB is not running and ask Obama how that helps his children.

237 ibmkeyboard  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:08:46am

Obama always tells the truth!


The Jooooos are lying if they tell you Iran is a big nuclear threat.

I have already turned my thermostat up to 85 degrees.
We are selling our SUV.
And not eating all the food we want will help us loose weight.

Fat pe0ple with SUVs cause global warming!

238 winston06  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:08:55am

re: #230 Norm204

he is

239 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:09:08am

re: #216 Abu Boo Boo

hardly anyone knows who Neville Chamberlain was

Isn't he Batman's butler?

240 Abu Boo Boo  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:09:13am

re: #225 Charles

As a matter of fact, I was.

Where's my money?

It was spent on sensitivity training for your oppressors.

241 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:09:25am

re: #236 cblesz

I will say it again. McCain needs to nip this in the bud right now! Barry is going to mention Bush all the time with McCain. McCain needs to come out and have a speech and state clearly that he is not GWB and that GWB is not running and ask Obama how that helps his children.

That should work quite fine in a debate.

242 opnion  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:09:28am

re: #180 zeebeach

I don't think any "conversion to Islam once in office" is necessary. I'm starting to believe he's always been a Muslim. This is truly frightening.

27 % of Americans believe the same thing. If you make that a sub set of people paying attention, I will bet that the % is much higher.
Have you noticed that with all of his denials about ever being a Muslim, Muslims don't get angry

243 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:10:04am

"popolo" is also Italian for "people", of course.

244 jcm  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:10:46am

re: #123 alegrias

* * *
Quibble Quibble! I still say Gorby UBER Ahmedinejad any day of the week.

Gorby was a better "partner" than Ahmedinejad will ever be. We'd been antagonists with USSR for 70 years, and things ended peacefully because Soviets were "western-values" oriented.

That's true, Gorby wasn't suicidal.
Dinnerjacket is. He'd be happy with a few mushroom clouds to bring the Mahdi back.

245 alegrias  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:11:14am

"...The Bush Administration has finessed the Iran nuclear problem by handing it to the E3/EU "process" – taken nowhere by the world's top diplomatic talkers from France, Germany and the U.K. For two years, Condoleezza Rice's State Department has played footsie with whomever speaks for Iran, to no effect. For either Barack Obama or Nancy Pelosi to suggest that they know better how to talk Iran's mullahs into an acceptable deal is, to put it gently, grandstanding.

Leaving no argument unturned, Democrats have reached back to Richard Nixon's trip to China and Ronald Reagan's negotiations with the Soviet Union as evidence that Republican Presidents "talk to the enemy." Put it this way: The day Iran brings forth a Chou Enlai and Syria a Mikhail Gorbachev, sure, give them a call.

Mr. Bush is right about one thing: At bottom this dispute is about understanding the nature of the enemy in Iran, Syria and other sponsors and practitioners of Islamic terror. If the tempest over his indelicate words causes the Democratic presidential nominee to think twice about the political cost of trafficking with Tehran or Damascus, uttering "appeasement" will have been worth it."

How to Enrage a Democrat (Wall Street Journal editorial of May 17)
[Link: online.wsj.com...]

246 opnion  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:12:05am

re: #184 Charles

I have to admit that I have. I used to work in a band in Hawaii with a black musician, and yes, I can assure you that Hawaii has its share. Like any place with human beings in it.

Sorry to hear that.I have only seen Hawaii passing through in the military & then quite a bit as a tourist. I guess in that capacity you probably don't see the big picture.

247 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:12:25am

re: #225 Charles

As a matter of fact, I was.


Me, too! I was informed by a bouncer at a NYC salsa club that I really shouldn't go in, because the club is "just for latinos". (Oddly enough, I was one of only two non-latinos in our group, but we were all barred access... I guess because of the "one drop of gringo" rule.)

Perhaps I should follow the Obama plan; go smoke a huge spliff to try to forget this injustice.

248 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:12:27am
249 yesandno  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:12:27am

Have to repeat myself:

OBAMADINEJAD

His own worst enemy

250 jcm  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:13:04am

re: #151 Charles

No one has asked him yet if he plans cuts in military funding.

He's made his statement.

BTW Obama's does read history....
Zinn and Chompsky.

251 winston06  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:13:24am

His Iran policy has no substance at all

[Link: thespiritofman.blogspot.com...]

252 BuddyG  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:14:04am

And 65,000 people gather to cheer this knucklehead.
Tiny intellects.

253 American Soldier  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:14:08am

In other news, Eyes-Like-a-Mole, an elder of the Nanhigganeuck, declared the long-term threat from European colonists to be "tiny".
In a related story, the Siege of Vienna has been called "an inconvenience".

254 alegrias  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:14:32am

re: #251 winston06

His Iran policy has no substance at all

[Link: thespiritofman.blogspot.com...]

* * *
C'mon, it's Jimmy Carter's Iran Policy. "Tread on Us"

255 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:14:54am

re: #97 seekeroftruth

Goodness - what part of Ahmedinejad repeatedly saying he wants to wipe Israel and the US off the face of the earth doesn't he not understand? This man is so dangerous - shame on the Democrat party for foisting this idiot on the American people and the damn media for covering up for him.

He thinks Iran can only wipe Israel off the map, so that's a tiny country and thus a tiny threat.
He'll surrender the US.

256 JohnnyReb  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:14:59am

re: #250 jcm

He's made his statement.

BTW Obama's does read history....
Zinn and Chompsky.

That link appears to be broken, all I get is a 404 error.

257 incanus  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:15:00am

Fermez votre bouche! Obama, you're a douche!

/from the chant thread

258 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:15:09am

re: #253 American Soldier

In other news, Eyes-Like-a-Mole, an elder of the Nanhigganeuck, declared the long-term threat from European colonists to be "tiny".
In a related story, the Siege of Vienna has been called "an inconvenience".

Also, the Japanese Imperial Navy has been gently criticized for creating "navigation hazards" at Pearl Harbor.

259 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:15:30am

re: #256 JohnnyReb

That link appears to be broken, all I get is a 404 error.

Worked for me.

260 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:15:34am

re: #113 Charles

I'd like to know if Barack Obama has read any of the historical books on WWII and the Cold War.

I'm betting ... not.

I think the only history books he's written were by Howard Zinn and his ilk.

261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:15:35am

Here's a big hunk of Hawaiian kindness...

Bruddah Iz

262 alegrias  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:16:00am

re: #252 BuddyG

And 65,000 people gather to cheer this knucklehead.
Tiny intellects.

* * *
Same people that were for Bill Clinton before they turned against him.

263 Pyrocles  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:16:33am

Heh, the new thread is blocked by my office's Sonicwall firewall due to the word "Porn"...

264 looking closely  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:17:03am

re: #216 Abu Boo Boo

Obama calls Bush and McCain "naive" for not meeting with the Iranian Jew-hating thug regime.

I see he's going to mention Bush everytime he criticizes McCain.


That's the Obama strategy right now.

Bush has historically low approval ratings, therefore Obama is trying to tie McCain to Bush.

I think this is a good strategy. . .for McCain.

Considering that McCain has more or less established himself as a pain in Bush's backside for the last eight years, this one isn't going to "stick".

McCain can point to lots of times he's brought the Dems and Republicans together. Can Obama point to a SINGLE instance where he's done that?

265 winston06  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:17:16am

re: #263 Pyrocles

that sucks

266 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:17:59am
267 ibmkeyboard  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:18:05am

wait a minute!

if I turn the fu&king thermostat up to 85 degrees,
wont that cause global warming?

i dont know which way to turn.

Oh Allah,

help me Obammma

268 alegrias  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:18:28am

re: #264 looking closely

* * *
Obama has bragged he's got a lot of Obamarepublicans. The weaker links, maybe.

269 BuddyG  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:19:31am

AIDS is a tiny virus

270 alegrias  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:19:34am

And remember, if you're fat, it's also George Bush's fault.

271 jcm  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:19:36am

re: #256 JohnnyReb

That link appears to be broken, all I get is a 404 error.

Youtube, works for me.
Search youtube for this title.
IN 52 SECS WHY BARACK OBAMA CANNOT WIN A GENERAL ELECTION

272 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:19:57am

re: #250 jcm

"I will slow the development of new weapons systems"

President Obama! We're on the verge of a breakthrough that could render our armored vehicles completely invulnerable to IEDs!

"Whoa, whoa... let's just slow that down. Maybe we could look to deploy that around, I dunno, 2025 or so."

273 MarineMomSue  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:20:10am

re: #50 alegrias

Ahmedinejad is no Mikhail Gorbachov, who partnered for disarmament with Ronald Reagan.

There is no glasnost or perestroika in Iran.

JJimmy Carter is the fool who created mullacracies with nukes.

Obama says a McCain presidency would be GWB's 3rd term... Repubs need to tell voters that an Obama presidency would be Carter's 2nd term.

274 looking closely  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:20:18am

re: #268 alegrias

* * *
Obama has bragged he's got a lot of Obamarepublicans. The weaker links, maybe.


A bit of unhatched chicken counting on the part of Obama.

I bet there are more McCain'o'crats than Obama'cans.

Not as many as Reagan got, but maybe enough to swing close states.

275 Intrepid  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:20:33am

re: #65 Abu Boo Boo

As Netanyahu observed,

The Soviets had irrational goals but pursued them rationally. They did not want to die.

Islamists, in contrast, use irrational means to pursue their irrational goals. They love death.

That's part of a direct quote from Osama bin Laden before the 9-11 attacks*:

"That is why we will defeat them. We love death. America loves life".

-from last night's NatGeo special

276 Opinionated  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:20:56am

re: #211 winston06

I think he should bomb the Iranian regime

An attack on Iran will likely result in a huge increase in gas prices and very possibly gas lines with resultant economic distress.

On the other hand, an unstoppable Iran may be worse long term.

That type of decision, and who will make it, should be what we consider first and foremost when we pick a President. Unfortunately it isn't.

We consider who is likable. Who promises the most goodies.

Maybe it is fortuitous that the decision will be left to a lame duck on his way out with nothing to lose. Lets hope Bush has it in him to make the correct decision.

277 haole  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:21:56am

Being a Haole on the north shore with a blond hottie for a girlfriend. I practically had to fight my way in and out of ordering a frickin lunch plate.


BHO = toolbox

278 addison  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:22:43am

re: #113 Charles

I'd like to know if Barack Obama has read any of the historical books on WWII and the Cold War.

I'm betting ... not.

If so, probably only those written or co-written by Howard Zinn and the like. Whatever happened whenever it happened was America's fault.

Remember, this is a man who gave an interview where he said he has ideas that "will make America great". Will? That's future tense, meaning it isn't now. It's his ideas that will make us great--because he is so wise and has so much experience making people's lives better through government.

The more he speaks, the more I detest.

279 incanus  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:22:45am

re: #113 Charles

I'd like to know if Barack Obama has read any of the historical books on WWII and the Cold War.

I'm betting ... not.

If he has, they were published in the USSR.

280 Sunlight  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:22:47am

re: #230 Norm204

Obama is historically clueless. Shame on Columbia U.
He said, as an example of a successful Presidential one on one negotiations, that the Cuban missile crisis was solved by Kennedy
talking to Khrushchev.

Gee...thought it was solved by Kennedy bringing us to the brink of a nuclear war forcing the Soviet ships to turn around.

Kennedy and Khrushchev did meet sometime before the crisis and that meeting convinced Khrushchev that Kennedy was weak....this precipitated
the crisis.

He is such a moron....

My dad deployed to Florida from Michigan with his F-106 squadron. They had us fill the bathtub with water and do extra under-the-desk drills. I think it was the firepower brought to bear that did the trick. Florida and probably over bordering the USSR homeland.

281 jcm  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:23:36am

re: #272 Occasional Reader

"I will slow the development of new weapons systems"

President Obama! We're on the verge of a breakthrough that could render our armored vehicles completely invulnerable to IEDs!

"Whoa, whoa... let's just slow that down. Maybe we could look to deploy that around, I dunno, 2025 or so."

"Unproven missile defense"
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
We've had a bunch of successful tests.
The technology is pretty much figured out, some knarly details need to be ironed out.
It works, it's proven.

282 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:23:53am

re: #276 Opinionated

An attack on Iran will likely result in a huge increase in gas prices and very possibly gas lines with resultant economic distress.


Food for thought; we do not import oil from Iran, if I'm not mistaken.

283 BuddyG  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:24:15am

re: #276 Opinionated

Like Victor Davis Hanson often says, it comes down to bad options
and worse options.

284 MrSilverDragon  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:24:59am

re: #221 winston06

I don't understand how any sane person could vote for this idiot appeaser

1 in 4 adults have mental illnesses, according to this...

285 haole  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:25:26am

China just had a tiny earthquake

See how it works

286 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:25:38am

re: #281 jcm

We've had a bunch of successful tests.

But deploying an effective missile defense would make the mullahs feel rage and frustration, and they would hate us, and it would be our fault. We must completely disarm ourselves in order to show our good faith.
/

287 JohnnyReb  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:26:28am

re: #282 Occasional Reader

Food for thought; we do not import oil from Iran, if I'm not mistaken.

Yes but other countries do. Take their oil off the market and panic will most definetly set in on a global scale. Think $400 a barell.

288 incanus  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:26:42am

re: #146 IPLaw

Barack is provoking a backlash against his crazy ideals, creating an us (BHO) versus them (you) society, which will justify his conversion to Islam once in office. You see, he's going to make us "abuse" him and his beliefs so much that a conversion away from everything American will be natural and justifiable.

I notice Charles and Maximus dinged you down for this. I dinged you up in the hopes that you don't believe in Obama's ideals (you call them "crazy"), but rather you are postulating a future event, one that I sincerely hope never comes to pass.

289 broemti  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:27:09am

Ah, the politics of hope and change; bringing all Americans together. Seems a whole lot like John Kerry -- blame it all on Bush and his years of failed Republican policies. Should be good for four years. After that the next four years of hope and change will fail due to Republican obstructionism. When Iran lights up Israel Obama will just blame Bush and take decisive action -- "It will be the policy of the United States of America to buy no Persian rugs for six months". Then we will talk.
A Rand study mentioned that a small fission device in the Port of Los Angeles would cost America ~ One Trillion dollars (not to mention lots of Democratic voters). Iran is a tiny threat. Hmmm what if they had two fission devices or three. Bringing all Americans together to blame Bush seems like tiny satisfaction even with Iran in ashes.

290 incanus  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:27:10am

re: #151 Charles

No one has asked him yet if he plans cuts in military funding.

As if there's any doubt ...

291 Opinionated  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:27:36am

re: #282 Occasional Reader

Food for thought; we do not import oil from Iran, if I'm not mistaken.

Doesn't matter. The oil market is global and is traded frequently on emotions.

And it is a near certainty Iran will do mischief to shipping in the gulf.

I have recently thought that Bush filling the strategic reserves to near capacity- which the Congress recently forced to end- may be a cue that he anticipates such disruptions.

Or I'm giving Bush to much credit and he will punt to the next President.

292 winston06  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:28:24am

re: #284 MrSilverDragon

That could explain it... LOL

293 hoystory  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:28:24am

re: #151 Charles

No one has asked him yet if he plans cuts in military funding.

You don't really have to ask, he volunteers it:

BARTIROMO: So name three spending programs you would cut to balance the budget.

Sen. OBAMA: Oh, you know, there are probably some weapons programs that I think are not serving our national security interests that need to be examined, and we’ve got to do an audit there.

As I noted at the time -- it's telling that his first instinct is the military.

294 winston06  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:29:14am

re: #282 Occasional Reader

US doesnt import oil from Iran. true!

295 ghost707  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:29:17am

Obama says Iran is a "tiny" threat?

Tell that to all the soldiers and civilians Iran has murdered with ied's, Obama.

296 debutaunt  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:29:32am

re: #222 Nevergiveup

Or mention Jimmy Carter every time he says Obama?

The problem we have is that the target market has no negative reference for Chamberlain or Carter.

297 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:30:53am

re: #287 JohnnyReb

Yes but other countries do. Take their oil off the market and panic will most definetly set in on a global scale. Think $400 a barell.

Debatable. Iran constitutes about 4-1/2% of global production. But anyway, let's not take their oil off the market. Let's just take their oil!

:)

298 Opinionated  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:31:02am

re: #283 BuddyG

Like Victor Davis Hanson often says, it comes down to bad options
and worse options.

But why are we not smart enough to realize that those decisions should at least be made by the best possible person?

It is why I believe that one should vote for the President mostly on national security issues and not on such issues as his stand on gays or abortion.

And why I still mourn that Giuliani will not be President.

299 incanus  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:31:23am

re: #188 Pyrocles

Reminds me of a bumpersticker I saw yesterday: "Friends don't let friends vote Republican"...

Or one I saw a few months ago: "Republicans for Voldemort!"

/sigh

I notice that only moonbats apply these type of snarky bumperstickers to their cars. I guess they're the loud, vocal minority.

Incanus's Rule of Bumper Stickers: A person with 3 or more bumper stickers on their car is very likely to be a radical. 85% of the time this person will be a left-wing radical. The number of stickers greater than three increases the magnitude of radicalism.

Corollary: The more bumper stickers, the shittier the car.

300 JohnnyReb  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:32:29am

re: #291 Opinionated


I tend to agree. President Bush has been pretty adamant that he won't stop filling the SPR. He made Congress make him stop it. He suspects there might be a rough time ahead in the near term I think.

With the oil market filled to overflowing with speculators, it's just a matter of time before we hit $150+ a barrel. If the US could use the SPR as designed, we could be import free for almost two months with some rationing. That would totally destroy the international market.

301 debutaunt  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:32:38am

re: #237 ibmkeyboard

Obama always tells the truth!


The Jooooos are lying if they tell you Iran is a big nuclear threat.

I have already turned my thermostat up to 85 degrees.
We are selling our SUV.
And not eating all the food we want will help us loose weight.

Fat pe0ple with SUVs cause global warming!

Is loose weight the jiggly fat?

302 looking closely  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:32:38am

re: #293 hoystory

As I noted at the time -- it's telling that his first instinct is the military.

Obama *thinks* there are military programs that can be cut, and he needs to review them?

Isn't he a sitting US Senator who is running for President?

IE, at this point he doesn't KNOW if there are unnecessary programs and which ones they are?

HUH? What the heck is wrong with this guy?

303 amphibian  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:33:03am

re: #116 Maine's Michael

That is so politically incorrect.

Who are we to decide who is sane and who is not?

Perhaps, to the Iranians, we are not sane.

Yeh, man, tell 'em! Tha's right! Everybody's opinion is like, equally as valid, man!

/Don't bogart that doobie. We amphibians need a drag too!

304 jcm  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:33:08am

re: #286 Occasional Reader

But deploying an effective missile defense would make the mullahs feel rage and frustration, and they would hate us, and it would be our fault. We must completely disarm ourselves in order to show our good faith.
/

I never thought of that!
Strength through Peace!

305 looking closely  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:33:38am

re: #299 incanus


Corollary: The more bumper stickers, the shittier the car.


That tends to be true when the only thing holding the car together is the stickers!

306 debutaunt  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:36:28am

re: #273 MarineMomSue

Obama says a McCain presidency would be GWB's 3rd term... Repubs need to tell voters that an Obama presidency would be Carter's 2nd term.

They would take that as a plus.

307 alegrias  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:36:44am

re: #302 looking closely

Obama *thinks* there are military programs that can be cut, and he needs to review them?

Isn't he a sitting US Senator who is running for President?

IE, at this point he doesn't KNOW if there are unnecessary programs and which ones they are?

HUH? What the heck is wrong with this guy?

* * *
HUH? What the heck is wrong with this guy?

He happens to be half the country's American/International Idol Celebrity. Have you not been paying attention to the idolaters?

308 kansas  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:36:50am

It's just so unfair; replaying what this guy actually says. If we had half a candidate it wouldn't be any contest.

309 Opinionated  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:36:56am

re: #302 looking closely

Obama *thinks* there are military programs that can be cut, and he needs to review them?

Isn't he a sitting US Senator who is running for President?

IE, at this point he doesn't KNOW if there are unnecessary programs and which ones they are?

HUH? What the heck is wrong with this guy?

There is nothing wrong with the guy that not wrong with millions of other Leftist fools.

What is really wrong is with our fellow citizens who suspend reality to believe in his change mantra. Cult like behavior.

310 alegrias  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:37:57am

re: #306 debutaunt

They would take that as a plus.

* * *
Because Appeasement is their highest value.

311 stevem99  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:38:25am

Damn Bush caused the Iranian hostage crisis too...


[/cynicism off]

;-)

312 alegrias  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:39:56am

re: #311 stevem99

Damn Bush caused the Iranian hostage crisis too...


[/cynicism off]

;-)

* * *
And Jimmy Carter knows best how to resolve the Iranian threat/crisis.

313 amphibian  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:40:25am

re: #136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Zombster...loved the quote on that page.


"I think we need to rethink and decriminalize our marijuana laws," Mr. Obama said during a debate at Northwestern University. "But I'm not somebody who believes in legalization of marijuana."

Was that in the same breath?

Yes, but he didn't inhale.

(Worked for Bubba!)

314 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:40:30am

re: #172 Ward Cleaver

I don't think Barry cares how much gasoline costs. The libs want gasoline prices to stay high, to force behavioral changes in Americans.

On Saturday, the talking heads of finance on Fox News were actually suggesting a heavy tax on gasoline as a way to keep us from relying so heavily on odious governments.

Nevermind that that hurts those least able to afford gasoline the most and does nothing to the growth in demand.

315 alegrias  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:46:31am

ARLINGTON, VA -- U.S. Senator John McCain will deliver the following remarks as prepared for delivery to the National Restaurant Association, in Chicago, Illinois, today at 10:15 a.m. CDT:

Thank you all very much. I appreciate the hospitality of the National Restaurant Association and of the city of Chicago. Considering that both of my prospective opponents call this city their home town, I've received a very warm welcome here. Many Democratic voters in Illinois are especially proud of their junior senator. They believe more than ever that Barack Obama was the right choice for the Senate in 2004. I couldn't agree more, and I promise to do everything in my power to help him finish his first term in the United States Senate.

(from McCain campaign email of today)

316 lobo91  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:47:29am

re: #297 Occasional Reader

Debatable. Iran constitutes about 4-1/2% of global production. But anyway, let's not take their oil off the market. Let's just take their oil!

Iran also controls the Strait of Hormuz. A shooting war with Iran would completely shut down oil shipments by tanker from the entire region.

No tanker captain in his right mind is going to sail through an area where he's likely to be exposed to Silkworm missile fire.

317 freedomplow  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:49:38am

Obama will legitimize the leaders of Iran and will not legitimize the democracy in Iraq.

318 nyc redneck  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:49:42am

obama saying iran is a tiny threat just shows what a tiny capacity he has for logical thinking. he really is a chattering imbecile.

319 avspatti  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:51:02am

re: #122 opnion

In one of his books, I think that it was 'Dreams of my Father", Barry claims that racism made him turn to drugs.You know, dull the pain.
He was in HAWAII for God's sake. What racism?

Actually, in Hawaii, the racism is against the white people.

320 MarineMomSue  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:51:02am

re: #282 Occasional Reader

Food for thought; we do not import oil from Iran, if I'm not mistaken.

We banned Iranian oil imports in '79 but Iran exports millions of barrels around the world every day. Since oil is fungible, we really have no way of knowing the original source of our oil, do we?

321 Alibaba  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:57:13am

Yes, that was Jimmah Carter, America's worst president and worst EX PRESIDENT.re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

322 Alibaba  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:58:24am

re: #318 nyc redneck
Let's see: Iran's surrogates, Hezbollah, blew up the marine barracks in Lebanon; lobs missles into Israel; and helps terrorists in Iraq kill American troops. Yes, a "tiny" threat . . . what an idiot Obambi is!

323 hoystory  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:59:08am

re: #320 MarineMomSue

We banned Iranian oil imports in '79 but Iran exports millions of barrels around the world every day. Since oil is fungible, we really have no way of knowing the original source of our oil, do we?

That's not quite what fungible means. We don't get any oil from Iran, but the mere fact that we've banned its import here doesn't affect the worldwide price or supply.

324 HippieforLife  Mon, May 19, 2008 12:02:24pm

Obama needs to watch the movie "The Mouse that Roared".

I can't believe the things this man says. If he is so popular, why isn't anyone listening to him? I used to think that he was at least somewhat charming, but that was a very thin veneer.

Inside he is ugly.

325 Alibaba  Mon, May 19, 2008 12:06:15pm

re: #34 Mad Mullah
Deep down inside, many communists did NOT want to die for the "cause". However, the Islamists are another story. Barry Hussein Obama is thick if he has not figured this out.

326 avspatti  Mon, May 19, 2008 12:07:31pm

re: #224 Sunlight

I saw another picture of the Pres holding hands with Uncle Abdullah. While I'm nervous about the changing of the guard and have admired Pres. Bush on many topics, I'm hoping that whoever is next won't hold hands in the homeland of our 911 murderers. Just say no.

Did you see how uncomfortable B. looked? Men holding hands is not his thing.

327 amphibian  Mon, May 19, 2008 12:09:40pm

re: #224 Sunlight

I saw another picture of the Pres holding hands with Uncle Abdullah. While I'm nervous about the changing of the guard and have admired Pres. Bush on many topics, I'm hoping that whoever is next won't hold hands in the homeland of our 911 murderers. Just say no.

Me, I just hoped Pres. Bush washed his hands afterward.

328 tappin52  Mon, May 19, 2008 12:11:20pm

re: #167 Charles
Obama's wife willingly and nastily walked into the arena and began throwing bombs. She sure as heck is going to have to dodge a few coming right back at her.

329 Maine's Michael  Mon, May 19, 2008 12:14:32pm

Bolton on Obama.

For those who haven't seen it.

Obama should read it.

Negotiation is not a policy. It is a technique. Saying that one favors negotiation with, say, Iran, has no more intellectual content than saying one favors using a spoon. For what? Under what circumstances? With what objectives? On these specifics, Mr. Obama has been consistently sketchy.

330 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, May 19, 2008 12:15:44pm

re: #320 MarineMomSue

We banned Iranian oil imports in '79 but Iran exports millions of barrels around the world every day. Since oil is fungible, we really have no way of knowing the original source of our oil, do we?


And this is the reason why I believe that the often used argument that if we produce more of our own oil, we'll be less dependent on foreigh oil is largely a cannard.

If, tomorrow, we could produce all of the oil we could use domestically, we would still buy oil from the cheapest source. If that happened to be the U.S., fine, if not it would be the usual suspects.

And it would still be the case that a disruption in the oil supply anywhere in the world would cause price spikes around the world.....including in the U.S. While the higher prices might make domestic production more feasible, it would take quite a while for us to increase production to offset the lower global supply.

331 jorline  Mon, May 19, 2008 12:22:45pm

re: #298 Opinionated


And why I still mourn that Giuliani will not be President.

I like him as well, but he ran what will be considered the dumbest Presidential campaign in history.

It was like a one shot roll while playing craps at the newest and most expensive casino in Vegas, betting everything you own and expecting to win. Go figure!

He was racing in the Kentucky Derby and never got out of the gate.

332 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Mon, May 19, 2008 12:25:29pm

re: #152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ya'know Grumpy, I wouldn't doubt the numbers a bit. Looked like a pretty big crowd there. Just ask Chris Rock, what a place to go hunting for sex.

I'm pretty good at estimating crowds, I've done it for many years. From an aerial view the park area crowd looks MUCH larger than it really is because of a lack of visual perspective. However, closer views of the park revealed it as not more than about five acres, at most.

To get a crowd of 75 thousand into a five acre park would require than every single person occupy a square of under 21 inches across. That's physically possible, but extremely unlikely. Not even the crowds up by the stage were packed anything like that. And most of the park was occupied by small groups of people sitting on blankets and towels, with an average of not more than 5-6 people per one hunded square feet.

Believe me, that crowd wasn't anything like what was claimed, and definitely under ten thousand.

333 Bosch Fawstin  Mon, May 19, 2008 12:33:15pm

Obama would be worse than Carter, 'the world's' most useful idiot. Carter, in his incessant need to see evil in good and only good in evil, still problably didn't know what allowed to be unleashed in Iran in 79. Obama knows full well, or should, and to still be dismissive of its threat tells us he's not just unfit to be president of the United States, but even of France, [apologies to the seemingly decent Zarkozy.]

334 londonpride  Mon, May 19, 2008 12:34:22pm

re: #12 Athos

Tax and spend, appease and surrender.

That sounds like our Government here in the UK

Still, ours are history in 210 at latest.

Hope we have a country left by then......

335 londonpride  Mon, May 19, 2008 12:38:39pm

re: #19 Bill Amos

BTW a regeme which is blowing our troops up in Iraq and funneling weapons to terrorist organizations like Hamas is not a Tiny threat.

Obama seems to have no problem wish Islamic murderous regemes or groups

And who did he meet with in Michigan?

Imam Hassan Qazwini ring any bells?

" During the meeting, the two discussed the Presidential election, the Arab-Israeli conflict, and the Iraq war, according to Qazwini."

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Obama has nice friends doesnt he?

336 Is it me?  Mon, May 19, 2008 12:42:20pm

Obama is not just a product of his family circumstances but by his choices in life.
He chose to reject the white part of his family inc his mother in favour of the father who abandoned him when he was young.
He chose to take a fully Arab name that reflected his fathers family.
He chose to be part of a *church* for 20 years that bears no resemblence to Christianity that I can recognise. He listened to sermons riven with racism against white people and Black Liberation Theology.
He chose to have a close personal relationship with the Rev Wrong who he saw as his spiritual mentor.
He chose to be married in that church and to have his children christened there.
He chose to have close associates over a period of time who are NOI and bombers.
He chose (in less than a full term as senator) to either not vote at all or present. Did he actually chose to vote on any subject at all.
He chose to throw his granny under the bus (for goodness sakes!) and the Rev Wrong when it was politically expedient to get himself out of trouble.
He chose to insult and offend TWP as some sort of lower classes (who in his own mind could only be saved by agreeing with him...)
However, he is enraged by any criticism of himself.
That's only part of it.

Talk's cheap, politicians prove that every day. I chose to judge people by what they chose to do and the actions they take.
Obamas' grasp of the reality of what is going on in the world is weak almost to the point of delusion. He is either very poorly briefed or choses to see what fits with his image of himself and his image of his abilities. That's dangerous.
He sees himself as the man to save/fix America but from what, what is so wrong with America (apart from all the TWP *snort*)
Obama has spent a lot of time honing his image and has hidden what he is and what he truely believes. He is now under the spotlight and finding it much harder to evade the truth.
Who really is Obama and what does he want. Look at how he presents himself and how he reacts to criticism or questions that are not *fixed* for his pat answers. What does he say in his books versus what he is saying in interviews.
I hope his agenda is fully exposed before the final vote.
If it looks like it, waddles like it and quacks like it, it probably is.
I'm starting to find him sinister. I hope for your sakes that enough people wake up to him.

337 alegrias  Mon, May 19, 2008 12:49:34pm

Another Bush hater from Harvard's "International Relations" department, Joseph Nye, hawking his book overseas & blaming President Bush for lacking NUANCE & "contextual intelligence".

Naturally, Nye from Harvard supports democrats bringing CHANGE! while meeting with Zapatero's leftists in Spain.

[Link: www.abc.es...]

338 yochanan  Mon, May 19, 2008 12:51:41pm

re: #280 Sunlight

My dad deployed to Florida from Michigan with his F-106 squadron. They had us fill the bathtub with water and do extra under-the-desk drills. I think it was the firepower brought to bear that did the trick. Florida and probably over bordering the USSR homeland.

MY DAD WAS DEPLOYED WITH A HONEST JOHN MISSLE UNIT IN KEY WEST. all he said about it to my mom was thank g-d k. blinked as there orders were to shot nuke tipped missles at cuba the next day.

obama it wasn't talk it was the ability to use the military that ended it.

339 kimi  Mon, May 19, 2008 1:07:39pm

Okay, the transcript is complete (with my snarky remarks added).
Obama Speaks in Billings, MT

340 Richard Romano  Mon, May 19, 2008 1:16:00pm

I don't get it; how can a man who uses the "blame someone else" strategy have any support? Oh yes, I forgot -- the MSM's typical play out of its seditious book.

341 Wm T Sherman  Mon, May 19, 2008 1:26:30pm

I wouldn't assume that Iran will be limited to fission weapons.

Transitioning from fission weapon capability to fusion weapon capability is easier than transitioning form no nuclear weapons at all to fission weapons.

342 ContraJihadi  Mon, May 19, 2008 1:28:10pm

re: #178 zombie

He's using her like a human shield.

She's allowed to stand in front and throw rocks at the soldiers. But if they fire back -- they're eeeevviilll.

You need to find a way to publicize this comparison, make it stick in the minds of millions of voters, especially those Jews who are flirting with Obama.

343 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, May 19, 2008 1:36:40pm

re: #14 zombie

It's a ridiculous comparison.

Only if you know anything about history, and believe in objective truth. Which, as we know, excludes nearly 50% of our current electorate..

"The Soviet Union had enough nukes to completely obliterate life on Earth. Iran, by comparison, may only make enough nukes to kill a measly ten million people. The threat is tiny by comparison! What's ten million people more or less?"

Silly zombie. Jews aren't people!

/leftists and "realists" everywhere.

344 TMF  Mon, May 19, 2008 1:43:59pm
Obama understands that history is not the most popular subject in American schools, and he's cynically playing on the general lack of historical knowledge to make comparisons that are so unbalanced, they're beyond belief. He may not even really be clear about the history himself.

And that is precisely what is most scary about this man and the phenomena of his followership

He is either taking advantage of the total naivete and ignorance of his minions- or he himself is just as ignorant.

He says hell engage in "negotiation" just like Kennedy did with Krushschev. Umm, hello? I believe Kennedys talks with the Soviets also involved a massive naval deployment that was the real cause of the back down.

He says hell engage just like Roosevelt did with HItler Umm, hello? The only negotiations Roosevelt engaged in were to demand unconditional surrender from the Nazis.

Sounds like George Bush "Cowboy" foreign policy to me, Barack Hussein.

345 Ojoe  Mon, May 19, 2008 1:45:23pm

Man. I was out in the field, too bad I couldn't post this at the top of the thread:


And here is the paper that bers Ahmadinejad's signature as well as mine...

"With every mistake we must surely be learning,
While my guitar gently weeps..,"

346 WayDownSouthInBama  Mon, May 19, 2008 1:45:31pm

The real question for me is when is the Republican party going to grow a spine and start using Barimmy Obarter's words against him? I believe if I were doing opposition research in the Republican party,I'd be pouring over Carter speeches right now and comparing them to the statements of Obarter. Just how hard can it be to make the comparison? Heck,Obarter has opened the door for the Republicans to do just that and,so far,the Republicans have been too gutless and/or stupid to respond. Obarter is practically handing the Republicans all of the ammo they need to devastate his campaign and the Republicans are blowing the opportunity just like they always do. It's no wonder the Republican base sees the Republican leadership as a bunch of cowardly spineless idiots. It's time for the Republican leaders to step up to the plate and show some conservative spine instead of selling out the base.

I hope the Republican muckety-mucks were listening to Jason Lewis on Rush's show today. I don't know if a transcript of the show is up yet,but it will be well worth anyones time to go read it if you missed the show.

347 Acumen  Mon, May 19, 2008 1:54:37pm

Obama is a child in his thinking - and thus, when the going gets tough, he gets to whining. If there was a K-12 school of politics, he would be in about 3rd grade! He's the best the liberals got?

348 Josephine  Mon, May 19, 2008 2:02:49pm

That's funny.

I had a long conversation today with someone from Iran and he doesn't think the threat is tiny. He blames the Ayatollah, DinnerJacket and their enablers. He said most people in Iran know their government is funding Hezbollah, Hamas, etc., but are afraid and unable to do anything. He said the Iranian government is killing people on an ongoing basis. He mentioned the Muslim belief in the twelfth imam and said the government is making war and killing people to bring him back. He talked about how difficult life is for women there.

The Iranian Canadian I spoke to today is very afraid for our world. But what does he know, compared to the Great Obama? The man I spoke to said six million Iranians have left the country. Obviously they should have listened to Obama and stayed put.

349 looking closely  Mon, May 19, 2008 2:07:50pm

re: #210 Charles

In Hawaii there's a degrading term for white people/foreigners (haole) and there's also one for black people (papolo).


Out of curiosity, is there a "wigger"-like term for a white or black person who acts like a native?

350 Shaky Louie  Mon, May 19, 2008 2:08:18pm
...Iran is “tiny"...


"Infidel dog, I was in the pool!"___ M.A.

351 Dad O' Blondes  Mon, May 19, 2008 2:09:23pm

SO the threat from Iran is "tiny"?

Ugh.

I'll have a shot of bourbon, and please, just leave the bottle on the bar.

.

352 looking closely  Mon, May 19, 2008 2:12:25pm

re: #315 alegrias


They believe more than ever that Barack Obama was the right choice for the Senate in 2004. I couldn't agree more, and I promise to do everything in my power to help him finish his first term in the United States Senate.

(from McCain campaign email of today)

LOL. . .
Reminds me of the famous Reagan-Mondale debate line "I won't make light of my opponent's youth and inexperience".
I still remember that one fondly from the tube. . .

353 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 2:39:22pm
354 Electron Shuffler  Mon, May 19, 2008 2:50:05pm

re: #44 NoSubmission
Obama sees his own wife as more of a threat right now than Iran.

That's because she is a hell of a lot closer, and wields a mean waffle iron.
--
Hey Barack N.M.N (No Middle Name) Obama, I have a question for you.

Dinnerjacket has said in no uncertain terms that he will nuke Israel.
When he does, it's a even bet that he's going to have more than one nuke available for the job. One should finish Israel nicely.
My question: What city outside of Israel is going to be under mushroom cloud number two?

Electron Shuffler

355 plato  Mon, May 19, 2008 3:13:12pm

I just saw the clip of Obama speaking.

He said Kennedy spoke with Kruschev to get missles out of Cuba.

I remember that day. He sent the navy to play chicken with the Russian Navy to keep the missles from ever reaching the Cuban shore.

Obama doesn't know history.

356 debutaunt  Mon, May 19, 2008 3:47:45pm

re: #355 plato

I just saw the clip of Obama speaking.

He said Kennedy spoke with Kruschev to get missles out of Cuba.

I remember that day. He sent the navy to play chicken with the Russian Navy to keep the missles from ever reaching the Cuban shore.

Obama doesn't know history.

Our Navy spelled out the word: BLOCKADE with ships.

357 nyc redneck  Mon, May 19, 2008 3:52:33pm

re: #329 Maine's Michael

Bolton on Obama.

For those who haven't seen it.

Obama should read it.

i love john bolton.
obama should debate john bolton. LOL.
it would be brutal.
bolton for potus. painful to think a man like that is not running.

358 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 3:57:39pm
359 Mich-again  Mon, May 19, 2008 4:02:56pm
Iran Threat is 'Tiny' and It's George Bush's Fault

That reminds me of the joke about the two old ladies griping about a restaurant.

The food is horrible!

Yes, and the portions are too small!

360 Maui Girl  Mon, May 19, 2008 4:46:57pm

re: #349 looking closely

Yes. Unemployed.

361 Areopagitica  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:14:04pm

I'm sure Jimmy Carter had an orgasm when he heard Obama say all this tripe.

362 Noah's Arrrgh  Mon, May 19, 2008 7:00:57pm

A number of things really bug me about Obama:

1) Nothing is his fault, and if it is, it was someone elses fault.
2) His intellectual laziness as evidenced by taking just about every left-wing talking point at face value.
3) His extreme pro-choice dogmatism on partial birth abortion.
4) His narcissism and sense of entitlement.
5) His inverted sense of loyalty: He'll choose defend our enemies motives before he'll defend his countryman's, he'll disrespect his family before he disrespects those who are beneficial to his campaign.
6) His stealth record: no paper trail to follow.
7) His association with left-wing criminals (e.g. Ayers).
8) His inability to think on his feet and answer questions without equivocating.
9) The hollowness of his self - he seems unable to come to terms with his parents and his racial background.
10) He seems to take the easy road, prefering to compromise too easily, rather than taking a stand on principle.
11) His belief that government can solve practically all of society's ills.
12) The apotheosis granted him by the press.

363 Noah's Arrrgh  Mon, May 19, 2008 7:05:43pm

Wait. One more thing:

13) His seeming valuation of Christianity not on its truth claims, but rather, on its historical ability to be an effective provider for social services.

364 wanumba  Mon, May 19, 2008 7:18:44pm

re: #355 plato

I just saw the clip of Obama speaking.

He said Kennedy spoke with Kruschev to get missles out of Cuba.

I remember that day. He sent the navy to play chicken with the Russian Navy to keep the missles from ever reaching the Cuban shore.

Obama doesn't know history.


Carter was the fool who tried talk with the Iranians, which didn't work. Jefferson, Madison and Roosevelt (Theodore) all used NAVAL BLOCKADE and/or BOMBARDMENT to get their hostages back from aggressive Muslim states. Carter and hangers on want to believe their negotiations resulted in the release of the hostages, but that since it was on Reagan's inaugural day, that Reagan got the credit. Nooooo. The Iranians believed Reagan wasn't a "uniter" or "negotiator" he was a "BLOCKADE and BOMBARDMENT" guy, so the hostages were no longer "hostages" or " negotiating chips" but "hot potatoes."

365 Maine's Michael  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:22:28am

re: #362 Noah's Arrrgh

13) He uses the word 'notion' far, far too much. It is incredibly annoying.

366 Sacred Plants  Tue, May 20, 2008 12:15:34pm

re: #364 wanumba

The Iranians believed Reagan wasn't a "uniter" or "negotiator" he was a "BLOCKADE and BOMBARDMENT" guy, so the hostages were no longer "hostages" or " negotiating chips" but "hot potatoes."

So what could convince the sheiks and mullahs that the oil is such a hot potatoe?

Some guy telling all the world how tiny their haughty self-bestowed power really is, and some "blockade and bombardment" guy standing ready to replace him in case he should get killed delivering that statement?


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