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Obama Waffle Watch

Mon, May 19, 2008 at 5:39:00 pm PDT

It’s illuminating to compare the statement on diplomacy with Iran that’s been on Barack Obama’s campaign web site for months...

Diplomacy: Obama is the only major candidate who supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions. Now is the time to pressure Iran directly to change their troubling behavior. Obama would offer the Iranian regime a choice. If Iran abandons its nuclear program and support for terrorism, we will offer incentives like membership in the World Trade Organization, economic investments, and a move toward normal diplomatic relations. If Iran continues its troubling behavior, we will step up our economic pressure and political isolation. Seeking this kind of comprehensive settlement with Iran is our best way to make progress.

... with the ridiculous waffling and arugulaing going on now:

OBAMA HAS BEEN CONSISTENT THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN “PRECONDITIONS” AND PREPARATION, THAT HE WOULD NOT SIT DOWN AS PRESIDENT WITH HOSTILE LEADERS WITHOUT HAVING DONE “THE APPROPRIATE GROUNDWORK”

[Hey, easy on the bold caps, please. We hear you. – ed.]

Obama: Initial Meetings With Hostile Nations Would Start With Lower Level Aides; Bush Admin “Preconditions” Are Exactly What Need to Be Negotiated In These Meetings. Asked whether his idea of meeting with hostile nations consisted of “from the get-go of the President of the United States” or lower level aides, Obama said, “The latter. Understand what the question was. The question was a very specific question. Would you meet without preconditions? Preconditions as it applies to a country like Iran for example was a term of art. Because this administration has been very clear that it will not have direct negotiations with Iran until Iran has meet preconditions that are essentially negotiations with Iran until Iran has met preconditions that are essentially what Iran used and many other observers would view as the subject of the negotiations. For example, their nuclear program. The point is that I would not refuse to meet until they agree to every position that we want. But that doesn’t mean that we would not have preparation, and the preparation would involve starting with low level-lower level diplomatic contacts, having our diplomatic corps work through with Iranian counterparts, an agenda. But what I have said is that at some point I would be willing to meet. And that is a position, I mean, what’s puzzling is that we view this as in any way controversial, when this has been the history of U.S. diplomacy, until very recently. This whole notion of not talking to people, it didn’t hold in the ‘60s, it didn’’t hold in the ‘70s, it didn’’t hold in the ‘80s, it didn’’t hold in the ‘90s, against much more powerful adversaries; much more dangerous adversaries. I mean, when Kennedy met with Khrushchev, we were on the brink of nuclear war. When Nixon met with Mao, that was with the knowledge that Mao had exterminated millions of people. And yet we understood that we could advance our national security interests by at least opening up lines of communication. And this was bipartisan. And it’s a signal of how badly our foreign policy has drifted over the last eight years; how much it has been skewed by the rhetoric of the Bush Administration that this should even be a controversial proposition.” [Obama Press Avail, 5/15/08]

Obama: “Obviously There’s a Difference Between Pre-Conditions and Preparation.” Asked if he were still willing to meet without pre-condition during your first year with Fidel Castro, Kim Jung Il, Hugo Chavez, Obama said, “I do. Now, I did not say that I would be meeting with all of them. I said I’d be willing to. Obviously, there is a difference between pre-conditions and preparation. Pre-conditions, which was what the question was in that debate, means that we won’t meet with people unless they’ve already agreed to the very things that we expect to be meeting with them about. And obviously, when we say to Iran, ‘We won’t meet with you until you’ve agreed to all the terms that we’ve laid out,’” from their perspective that’s not a negotiation, that’s not a meeting.“ [Meet the Press, 11/11/07]

Obama Said There Was A Difference Between Preparation And Preconditions. The Kansas City Star reported, ”’The argument was that I would invite Hugo Chavez over to my house, and we’d pop open a beer and we’d start talking...That’s the lack of preparation. There’s no one that would meet another head of state without preparation. Preconditions refer to something specific. We’ve refused to talk to Iran until they meet preconditions.’ Obama admitted that his willingness to try a new approach to foreign policy was his way of rocking the political boat. ‘I’ve been trying to challenge some conventional wisdom.’“ [Kansas City Star, 8/20/07]

Obama: Nobody Expects You Would Meet with Hostile Leaders Without Having Done the Appropriate Groundwork. Obama said, ”Nobody expects that you would suddenly just sit down with them for coffee without having done the appropriate groundwork,“ he said. ”But the question was: Would you meet them without preconditions? And part of the Bush doctrine has been to say no." [Washington Post, 7/27/07]

Good grief. Can you say, barrage of BS?

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1 Shug  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:39:30pm

Leave my waffle alone!

2 livefreeor die  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:39:47pm

Mmmm...waffles.

3 Shug  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:41:01pm
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN “PRECONDITIONS” AND PREPARATION, THAT HE WOULD NOT SIT DOWN AS PRESIDENT WITH HOSTILE LEADERS WITHOUT HAVING DONE “THE APPROPRIATE GROUNDWORK”

"Preparation for Hostiles"

Preparation H for short

4 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:41:29pm
5 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:41:47pm
6 LoneStarLizard  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:41:50pm

So you could say he was for negotiating with the Iranians before he was against it.

7 Sharmuta  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:41:52pm

That's so nuanced my eyes glazed over. Or maybe it's the waffle syrup.

8 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:42:29pm
9 yochanan  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:42:42pm

what is the differences between pancakes and waffles?

10 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:43:18pm
11 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:44:06pm
12 jcm  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:44:23pm

The Dali Bama says Iran's not a threat.If

Iran ever tried to pose a serious threat to us, they wouldn't stand a chance. And we should use that position of strength that we have to be bold enough to go ahead and listen. That doesn't mean we agree with them on everything. We might not compromise on any issues, but at least, we should find out other areas of potential common interest, and we can reduce some of the tensions that has caused us so many problems around the world."

Don't worry, be happy.
/

13 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:44:29pm

re: #9 yochanan

what is the differences between pancakes and waffles?

People like it when politicians pancake...

14 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:44:39pm

It depends on the meaning of the word "is"...

15 Grammy Cracker  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:44:50pm

He was for it before he was against it? Or was he against it before he was for it?

There's not enough maple syrup in the WORLD to sugar-coat this crap!

/Good Evening, Lizards!

16 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:45:03pm

This clown is the worst tool in the shed. He's speaking on TV right now here in my town, wish the hell I was still heading the college republicans I would have set up one hellacious protest. Including giant waffle signs and a direct request for him to respond to the racist hate crap on Kos earlier today.

I still cannot believe some 60's lefties created this sob 30 years ago. I didn't think radical lefties could think that far ahead (though with their world socialism plans I could have misjudged)

17 Sharmuta  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:45:14pm

Boy- poor obama. This iranian issue is really becoming quite the "constant sore" for him.

18 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:45:25pm

As mentioned in the previous thread; I am currently eating dinner... eating AS MUCH AS I WANT... and I did not seek permission from other countries! bwaahahahaha

19 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:45:43pm
20 jaunte  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:45:50pm

This guy is going to get us all taken to the cleaners if he gets his chance.

21 Shug  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:46:02pm

re: #15 Grammy Cracker

He was for it before he was against it? Or was he against it before he was for it?

There's not enough maple syrup in the WORLD to sugar-coat this crap!

/Good Evening, Lizards!


He was for it and against it at the same time, and it is racist to criticize this effort to bring together both for and against.

Change!

Hope!

22 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:46:08pm
23 astronmr20  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:46:22pm

I thought he ate pancakes?

24 livefreeor die  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:46:32pm

re: #11 song_and_dance_man

One goes under a Cat and the other a bus.

LOL!

25 BignJames  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:46:42pm

He can't expect to have all the waffles he wants without somone complaining....or something.

26 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:46:49pm

re: #22 savage_nation

Well, share some, you racist punk!

I'll have to ask France first.

27 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:47:35pm
28 HelloDare  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:47:52pm

Obama bin Waffles

29 Alouette  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:47:52pm

I'm proud to live in America where I can eat as many waffles as I want.

30 Grammy Cracker  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:48:06pm

re: #21 Shug

He was for it and against it at the same time, and it is racist to criticize this effort to bring together both for and against.

Change!

Hope!

Thank you for clearing up my confusion! I'm sure it is the result of a lifetime spent clinging to my God and my guns....

HOPE! CHANGE!

31 gop_patriot  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:48:26pm
Asked whether his idea of meeting with hostile nations consisted of “from the get-go of the President of the United States” or lower level aides, Obama said, “The latter. Understand what the question was. The question was a very specific question.

Condescending.

Would you meet without preconditions? Preconditions as it applies to a country like Iran for example was a term of art.

WTF does that mean?!? UGH Progressives and their imaginary made up meanings for words. "term of art", right. Moron.

32 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:48:29pm

re: #27 savage_nation

Sacre bleu!

I checked. My sharing food with you did not pass THE GLOBAL TEST.... so, sorry.

33 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:48:45pm

I've lost track am I a typical white person because I cling to guns and religion or is it because I'm supposed to be a racist.

34 mean Gene  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:49:27pm

re: #4 buzzsawmonkey

What is the difference between a Corrie pancake and an Obama waffle? Little square pockets of ambiguity.

But the syrup is the same.

Audacious pockets of ambiguity.

35 lorien1973  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:49:31pm
But the question was: Would you meet them without preconditions? And part of the Bush doctrine has been to say no.

Doesnt this imply that Barack's answer would be "yes" ?

36 livefreeor die  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:49:32pm

re: #33 Mars Needs Neocons

I've lost track am I a typical white person because I cling to guns and religion or is it because I'm supposed to be a racist.

Yes.

37 astronmr20  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:49:33pm

re: #29 Alouette

Not for long, if this joker gets elected.

Waffle rations are-a-comin'.

38 Roentgen  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:50:02pm

re: #33 Mars Needs Neocons

I've lost track am I a typical white person because I cling to guns and religion or is it because I'm supposed to be a racist.

Yes.

39 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:50:04pm

This asshole acts as if the EU's negotiations with Iran for the last 5 years never happened. Is he stupid or just ignorant or both?

40 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:50:16pm

Damn this guy wants all the waffles, and he'll determine who gets the syrup and when.

41 kenprice  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:50:32pm

There is a word in Spanish: "Cantinflar". It means to talk a lot, and say absolutely nothing that makes any sense. BHO has taken Cantinflar to new oratorical heights. Worse, people hearing him think they know what he's saying. Total, absolute bullshit!.

42 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:50:39pm

re: #35 lorien1973

Doesnt this imply that Barack's answer would be "yes" ?

Obama also bravely declared today that George W. Bush "will not be on the ballot" in November.

Change!

43 livefreeor die  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:50:43pm

re: #37 astronmr20

Not for long, if this joker gets elected.

Waffle rations are-a-comin'.

To be followed by waffle riots. Oh, the humanity.

44 Grammy Cracker  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:51:08pm

re: #22 savage_nation

Well, share some, you racist punk!

I can't share my food....'allgone', as we say to the dogs....but I will share my wine. Better now?

45 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:51:29pm
46 mean Gene  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:51:39pm

re: #41 kenprice

There is a word in Spanish: "Cantinflar". It means to talk a lot, and say absolutely nothing that makes any sense. BHO has taken Cantinflar to new oratorical heights. Worse, people hearing him think they know what he's saying. Total, absolute bullshit!.

He's a ''framer'' rather than an explainer.
He let's all of his listeners fill in the picture.
Of course each one fills it in differently, but who knows that?

47 Tangonine  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:51:39pm

I'm watching his speech from a replay from today on C-SPAN.

Some girl asked if he'd subsidize her education for law school.

He replies: "yes, of course! if you're going to be a public defender... but not if you're going to be a corporate lawyer..."

So apparently getting government subsidies under Barrack Hussein Obama depends entirely on you making the "right" political decisions.

what a fking dirtbag.

48 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:52:00pm

re: #42 Occasional Reader

Wouldn't it be funny if Bush beat both McCain and Obama in the general election without even running? Guess he'd have to pick a successor then...

49 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:52:02pm
50 FrogMarch  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:52:08pm

re: #41 kenprice

There is a word in Spanish: "Cantinflar". It means to talk a lot, and say absolutely nothing that makes any sense. BHO has taken Cantinflar to new oratorical heights. Worse, people hearing him think they know what he's saying. Total, absolute bullshit!.

I notice his supporters do the same thing. flowery lofty language signifying nothing.

51 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:52:20pm
52 ZardozZ  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:52:21pm

I guess his brand of waffling is what he calls CHANGE !

53 jcm  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:52:30pm

re: #19 song_and_dance_man

B. Hussein doesn't think Iran is much of a threat because he's a greater one.

He only see's the objective threat.
USSR had 20,000 warheads, Iran is within a few years of one.

Because he has so bought into moral relativism, he cannot evaluate the subjective threat. USSR was sane in the aspect they calculated for victory with sufficient resources left to survive. Dinnerjacket and the Mad Mullahs, have no such desire, their calculation are based on the odd of inciting the return of the Mahdi.

He counts warheads, and assumes the enemy is like him self.

54 Roentgen  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:52:38pm

If BHO is elected, we will be subject to the global test for determining who gets the waffles. And the syrup. And everything else.

55 wanumba  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:52:51pm

Listened to that jerk say out loud that President Bush's failed policies were responsible for Iran being the biggest problem in the region.
I don't normally call people jerks, but between the standard DNC nonmenclature of "failed policies," and the fraud that Bush had anything to do with "making Iran" what it is today, while completely ignoring Ahmedinejad and his band of blood-stained Mullahs, just pushed me over the line.
Either 1979 means nothing to Barack, which is suicidal ignorance or Barack is counting on the rest of us nothing nothing about it, which is something eviller than plain old suicidal.

Are those crowds in Portland for real or have they been enhanced digitally? They look odd, as in repetitive.

Latestly a vote for a rotating title:
"... the ridiculous waffling and arugulaling going on now ..."

56 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:52:57pm

re: #41 kenprice

There is a word in Spanish: "Cantinflar". It means to talk a lot, and say absolutely nothing that makes any sense. BHO has taken Cantinflar to new oratorical heights. Worse, people hearing him think they know what he's saying. Total, absolute bullshit!.

You know, my Spanish is pretty durn good, and I didn't know that word. Thanks! Did the comic actor Cantinflas give rise to the word, or did the word precede the actor?

57 Racer X  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:52:58pm

All your waffles are belong to us.

58 yochanan  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:53:13pm

re: #11 song_and_dance_man

good call

59 FrogMarch  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:53:31pm

re: #48 anotherindyfilmguy

Wouldn't it be funny if Bush beat both McCain and Obama in the general election without even running? Guess he'd have to pick a successor then...

I wish Dick Cheney would run. Just to see Kieth Olberdouche's head explode.

60 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:53:52pm

re: #47 Tangonine

I'm watching his speech from a replay from today on C-SPAN.

Some girl asked if he'd subsidize her education for law school.

He replies: "yes, of course! if you're going to be a public defender... but not if you're going to be a corporate lawyer..."

So apparently getting government subsidies under Barrack Hussein Obama depends entirely on you making the "right" political decisions.

what a fking dirtbag.

Understand, this is what it has always been about. Everything the libs set in place is designed to make the "right" choices. I am going through vocational rehab, the va, and other types of government aid, and only the VA isn't trying to railroad me into social services.

61 jainphx  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:53:53pm

re: #38 Roentgen

Oh my, Yes, yes you are.

62 Racer X  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:54:04pm

re: #47 Tangonine

I'm watching his speech from a replay from today on C-SPAN.

Some girl asked if he'd subsidize her education for law school.

He replies: "yes, of course! if you're going to be a public defender... but not if you're going to be a corporate lawyer..."

You have got to be kidding me.

63 Grammy Cracker  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:54:20pm

re: #33 Mars Needs Neocons

I've lost track am I a typical white person because I cling to guns and religion or is it because I'm supposed to be a racist.

I'm fairly certain it isn't an either/or situation...you're a typical white person. Therefore, you cling to your God and your guns, and you are a de facto racist from birth.

Just ask the wrong Rev. Wright.

64 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:54:39pm
65 astronmr20  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:54:54pm

re: #53 jcm

Exactly.. this is clear to most of us here. The difference in the two comes down to three wonderful little words: "Mutually Assured Destruction."

These words stopped the USSR.

The same words motivate Iran.

66 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:55:09pm
67 eric  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:55:14pm

Obama is in way over his head. This is the kind of rationalization and backpedaling you see in small town petty politics. He has an unfirm grasp of the issues and an inexperienced extemporaneous skill. he knows not what he will say next.

I believe he is completely unprincipled. He has no firm foundation to help him grapple with ideas and issues. His character is standing on quicksand and the scrutiny will bury him.

68 livefreeor die  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:55:17pm

re: #51 savage_nation

blackberry brandy!

Hmmm, on a blackberry brandy theme tonight, Savage?

69 jcm  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:55:27pm

re: #47 Tangonine

I'm watching his speech from a replay from today on C-SPAN.

Some girl asked if he'd subsidize her education for law school.

He replies: "yes, of course! if you're going to be a public defender... but not if you're going to be a corporate lawyer..."

So apparently getting government subsidies under Barrack Hussein Obama depends entirely on you making the "right" political decisions.

what a fking dirtbag.

Subsidize a PDA but not a Prosecutor?

Well we know where his priories lie.

70 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:55:57pm

re: #54 Roentgen

If BHO is elected, we will be subject to the global test for determining who gets the waffles. And the syrup. And everything else.

And turn down your damn thermostat!

71 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:55:59pm

re: #41 kenprice

There is a word in Spanish: "Cantinflar". It means to talk a lot, and say absolutely nothing that makes any sense. BHO has taken Cantinflar to new oratorical heights. Worse, people hearing him think they know what he's saying. Total, absolute bullshit!.

What do you think he was doing in the Rev. Wrights church the last 20 years? Learning how to Cantinflar.

72 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:56:15pm
73 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:56:23pm

Wait a minute, Portland, I'm in Billings, MT, are you watching a replay or am I. If we're both watching live then we're really dealing with the first "Max Headroom" candidate.

74 livefreeor die  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:56:35pm

re: #70 Bob in Breckenridge

And turn down your damn thermostat!

It will be the Carter years all over again.
Hope!
Change!
Malaise!

75 Tangonine  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:56:43pm

re: #62 Racer X

Nope. Dead serious. was on C-SPAN not 10 minutes ago. he pretty much said he'd pay for your education.... if you get the education he wants. In a nutshell.

76 Roentgen  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:56:50pm

re: #67 eric

Obama is in way over his head. This is the kind of rationalization and backpedaling you see in small town petty politics. He has an unfirm grasp of the issues and an inexperienced extemporaneous skill. he knows not what he will say next.

I believe he is completely unprincipled. He has no firm foundation to help him grapple with ideas and issues. His character is standing on quicksand and the scrutiny will bury him.

He's amorphous.

77 LeePro  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:57:20pm
Obama admitted that his willingness to try a new approach to foreign policy was his way of rocking the political boat. ‘I’ve been trying to challenge some conventional wisdom.’“ [Kansas City Star, 8/20/07]

Correction:
...trying to challenge ALL wisdom.

78 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:57:24pm
79 Intrepid  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:57:25pm

re: #31 gop_patriot

WTF does that mean?!? UGH Progressives and their imaginary made up meanings for words. "term of art", right. Moron.

Just like Hillary Clinton's "Politics of Meaning" statements of a decade and a half ago. It means they can say anything they want and then when questioned on it, they can massage it into any form they want it to take.

That way they can say stuff that makes 'em sound smart and "progressive" like.

Basically, I call it lying about what he originally said because he has been taking so much flack for it.

80 Grammy Cracker  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:57:26pm

re: #51 savage_nation

blackberry brandy!

Pssst....I have that, too. Just don't tell the others! They'll want some and I'm too greedy, white and racist to share with everyone!

/here, have a cracker....

81 brainwizard73  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:57:29pm

My bold prediction is that this thread will set a record for the fewest posts on an "Obama" themed thread due to the baffling incomprehensibility of the various positions.

Seriously, by the time you get done with this verbal gonorrhea, it's enough to make you cry out for a stupid Ron Paul liner.

82 Sharmuta  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:57:34pm
But what I have said is that at some point I would be willing to meet. And that is a position, I mean, what’s puzzling is that we view this as in any way controversial

How dare we see this as a problem! He just has the Audacity of Preparation!

83 NoSubmission  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:57:34pm

re: #66 buzzsawmonkey
I found it interesting that a lot of federal prosecutors go on to become defense attorneys. Better money.

84 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:57:46pm
85 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:57:52pm

re: #67 eric

Obama is in way over his head. This is the kind of rationalization and backpedaling you see in small town petty politics. He has an unfirm grasp of the issues and an inexperienced extemporaneous skill. he knows not what he will say next.

I believe he is completely unprincipled. He has no firm foundation to help him grapple with ideas and issues. His character is standing on quicksand and the scrutiny will bury him.

Ain't nobody questioned him before. Don't be so hard on him, he learning.

86 astronmr20  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:58:00pm

re: #78 savage_nation

yesssssssssssss

Better not be drinkin' in that big rig! (;

87 Tangonine  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:58:01pm

re: #69 jcm

Subsidize a PDA but not a Prosecutor?

Well we know where his priories lie.


He actually said he'd fund the education for a public defender, but not a corporate lawyer. That's a loose quote.

88 LoFlyer  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:58:10pm

re: #64 savage_nation

There will be a nuclear attack against the United States 6 months after Obama is inaugurated. And there will be no retaliation.

I wouldn't count on that. He will nuke Pakistan after conclusive evidence pointing to Saudi Arabia is found....

89 cincinnati_kid37  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:58:12pm

Obama said it was too dangerous for him to go to Alaska or Hawaii when he was recently explaining how he'd been to 57 states..

90 brainwizard73  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:58:32pm

re: #75 Tangonine

Nope. Dead serious. was on C-SPAN not 10 minutes ago. he pretty much said he'd pay for your education.... if you get the education he wants. In a nutshell.

Since Michelle Obama is scarred for life for having to repay her student loans...I can see where he is coming from, can't you?

91 yochanan  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:58:41pm

re: #11 song_and_dance_man

One goes under a Cat and the other a bus.

someone has to put up the st8t line.

92 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:58:43pm

re: #74 livefreeor die

It will be the Carter years all over again.
Hope!
Change!
Malaise!

/You COULD wear a sweater, ya know! Geez, you Americans...

93 livefreeor die  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:58:44pm

re: #80 Grammy Cracker

Pssst....I have that, too. Just don't tell the others! They'll want some and I'm too greedy, white and racist to share with everyone!

/here, have a cracker....

Drinking alcohol?!?! Now you're a greedy, white, racist Islamophobe!

94 cicero05  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:58:46pm

Are the undecideds listening to this? Obama makes Carter look like Churchill. (Winston, not Ward -- Carter looks like Ward Churchill most of the time anyway.)

95 NoSubmission  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:58:48pm

re: #89 cincinnati_kid37

Obama said it was too dangerous for him to go to Alaska or Hawaii when he was recently explaining how he'd been to 57 states..


I'm more and more amazed that he's made it this far..

96 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:58:51pm

And I'm hereby inaugurating a new Spanish verb: arugulear

97 pegcity  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:58:55pm

Hes done, expect a Dukakhis level meltdown around oh say october.

98 Grammy Cracker  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:59:06pm

re: #64 savage_nation

There will be a nuclear attack against the United States 6 months after Obama is inaugurated. And there will be no retaliation.

Yep....he'll spend the remainder of his term under the desk in the Oval Office, alone btw, with a serious laundry problem in his trousers.....

99 gymnast  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:59:06pm

the sooner we reach the conclusion of this election cycle and the joke that is Obama oozes itself back down the sewer from whence it came, the better.

100 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:59:07pm

re: #64 savage_nation

There will be a nuclear attack against the United States 6 months after Obama is inaugurated. And there will be no retaliation.

There will be. The only question is whether it will be by our lawfully constituted military forces------ or someone else.

101 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:59:07pm
102 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:59:07pm
103 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:59:16pm
104 jaunte  Mon, May 19, 2008 5:59:29pm

re: #82 Sharmuta

Preparation O. (The H is silent).

105 right wing zephyr  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:00:06pm

Hugh Hewitt just equated electing Obama President to handing the car keys and a bottle of Jack to a 12 year old. I think that sounds about right although less dangerous.

Seriously, Fukk this moron. I'm continually astounded at his blatant idiocy as he keeps trying to seem centrist even while proving his radical leftism.

106 mikeinmd  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:00:33pm

Only a true elitist beaurocrat can talk this gibberish. In the Private sector, having to deal with real problems, he'd be handed his hat in about 3 minutes.

And he's the Dem nominee for POTUS.

107 brainwizard73  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:00:39pm

re: #85 unrealizedviewpoint

Ain't nobody questioned him before. Don't be so hard on him, he learning.

Hillary had a point?

Human sacrifice?! Dogs and cats living together?! Mass Hysteria?!

108 yochanan  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:00:41pm

re: #90 brainwizard73

Since Michelle Obama is scarred for life for having to repay her student loans...I can see where he is coming from, can't you?


been repaying mine and i made a lot less than she made in 5 years than she made in 1 year.

109 jcm  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:01:08pm

re: #87 Tangonine

He actually said he'd fund the education for a public defender, but not a corporate lawyer. That's a loose quote.

His omission of a Prosecutor always publicly employed is telling. Both are in public service. How hard is it to say "if you want to be a Defender or Prosecutor."

110 Racer X  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:01:15pm

re: #75 Tangonine

Nope. Dead serious. was on C-SPAN not 10 minutes ago. he pretty much said he'd pay for your education.... if you get the education he wants. In a nutshell.

Un-freaking-believable.

111 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:01:16pm

I'm not trying to defend the SOB, but after reading everything I've read here the last few days I've come to the conclusion that there is little Obama could have done to change his ways. From an early age he has been solidly indoctrinated into stupid anti-american belief after another. This has been planned at least from his communist connections. First Islam, the Communism, the the Wrong Reverend Wright, the the Congressional Black Caucus. This doesn't include Tom Hayden, Weather Underground, George Soros, and everyone else (including the Chicago political machine) that has been pushing and guiding him into the ultimate Socialist Trojan Horse. I begin to wonder if even his wife was chosen for her liberal credentials by his handlers. This man wasn't raised he was designed.

112 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:01:31pm
Would you meet without preconditions?

Preconditions as it applies to a country like Iran for example was a term of art. Because this administration has been very clear that it will not have direct negotiations with Iran until Iran has meet preconditions that are essentially negotiations with Iran until Iran has met preconditions that are essentially what Iran used and many other observers would view as the subject of the negotiations.

I'm having a little trouble with this. Can anyone help me.

113 Grammy Cracker  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:01:38pm

re: #74 livefreeor die

It will be the Carter years all over again.
Hope!
Change!
Malaise!

I'm beginning to fear that a repeat of the Carter years would look really GOOD to us after a BHO spin as POTUS.... I'm thinking malaise²...

114 jaunte  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:01:40pm

re: #105 right wing zephyr

I'm continually astounded at his blatant idiocy as he keeps trying to seem centrist even while proving his radical leftism.

He needs to be encouraged to speak long and frequently, to get his ideas across to everyone.

115 Tangonine  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:01:40pm

re: #90 brainwizard73

Since Michelle Obama is scarred for life for having to repay her student loans...I can see where he is coming from, can't you?

I'm sorry... is that the school which she attended after having admittance scores that were below the standard for admission?
?

?

In the "unfair" America?

116 Alouette  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:01:44pm

re: #37 astronmr20

Not for long, if this joker gets elected.

Waffle rations are-a-comin'.

Crap, the kosher meat plant shut down, I was expecting to eat a whole bunch of waffles.

117 yochanan  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:02:15pm

al gore is the one that caused the whole food crisis anyway bio fuels and speculation have raised the price of food.

118 cavallino_rampante  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:02:32pm

What hath the lefties wrought?

119 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:02:37pm
120 brainwizard73  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:02:38pm

re: #89 cincinnati_kid37

Obama said it was too dangerous for him to go to Alaska or Hawaii when he was recently explaining how he'd been to 57 states..

Anyone ever ask Obama how he feels about D.C. statehood?

How about statehood for San Francisco, Portland Oregon, Detroit and St. Louis?

121 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:02:39pm

arugulear: To arrogantly assume (or pretend) that your indefensible position merely SEEMS indefensible to those too stupid to understand it.

122 astronmr20  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:02:46pm

re: #102 song_and_dance_man

I hope you are wrong.. but more and more evidence seems to support that assertion.

The guy simply hates this country, and he and many of his followers would be perfectly happy to see this country knocked down a few pegs-- be it by more terrorist attacks, financial chaos, humiliation, etc etc. They really believe we deserve it.

123 jcm  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:03:09pm

re: #101 taxfreekiller

Dear Obama,

Here it is out in the open. You see the other America is not a bunch of wimps in need of Government free blankets to keep warm at night, we do not need old mother cows you elites culled from your herd and will not eat. We in fact do not like you, or the dam Republican sell outs. Get this very clear now, no large number of lies got Lt. for life John F. Kerry elected Pres. , no large number of silly lies got Al Gore elected, and the number and scope of lies needed to get you elected is not a number that is possible in the next 6 months you have left.


What you and yours need to do is get over your silly commie self's and like do some little anti war act UPS with Jane Fonda and Kerry.

Leave the real world to we others, or just take that flying f' at a rolling donut.

Now you're just being clingy, relax, let go, breath deep, and have a drink of kool-aid.
/

124 mikeinmd  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:03:25pm

re: #106 mikeinmd

In the Private sector, having to deal with real problems, having to actually solve a problem ,he'd be handed his hat in about 3 minutes.

I need to amend that.

125 Tangonine  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:03:27pm

re: #117 yochanan

al gore is the one that caused the whole food crisis anyway bio fuels and speculation have raised the price of food.

I'll bet if we cut his ass up we'd get a couple weeks of fat/fuel.

126 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:03:30pm

I'm obviously not smart enough to vote for the guy because I STILL don't unnervershtay his position on Iran.

127 Geepers  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:03:38pm

Stop pestering me with all these damn questions, just make me president already ya bunch a ignorant hicks.

128 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:03:57pm

re: #74 livefreeor die

It will be the Carter years all over again.
Hope!
Change!
Malaise!

Except will be hungry as well as cold.

129 Grammy Cracker  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:04:02pm

re: #93 livefreeor die

Drinking alcohol?!?! Now you're a greedy, white, racist Islamophobe!

Excuse me? I resemble that remark! LOL

130 Racer X  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:04:29pm

re: #87 Tangonine

He actually said he'd fund the education for a public defender, but not a corporate lawyer. That's a loose quote.

Is this about getting all those people that were "framed by the man" out of prison?

131 irongrampa  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:04:33pm

re: #31 gop_patriot
"Term of art"=nuance.

132 Roentgen  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:05:01pm

re: #112 unrealizedviewpoint

I'm having a little trouble with this. Can anyone help me.

Yes: "Heads I win, tails you lose."

133 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:05:02pm

I sure hope we can look back at this election and laugh.

134 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:05:04pm

re: #107 brainwizard73

Hillary had a point?

Human sacrifice?! Dogs and cats living together?! Mass Hysteria?!

/It takes a village.

135 brainwizard73  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:05:40pm

re: #108 yochanan

been repaying mine and i made a lot less than she made in 5 years than she made in 1 year.

I didn't have too much, but I married the "queen of student loan debt" and it has taken us a long time...only becuase of good circumstances and my wife's incredible talent for business are we close to being free and clear now.

Seriously, to hear Michelle Obama, the greatest tragedy in life is that she had to defer her BMW a few years while she [gasp] had to watch her budget.

136 Tangonine  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:05:51pm

re: #128 Lucius Septimius

Except will be hungry as well as cold.

BHO will make Carter look like Reagan.

137 livefreeor die  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:06:03pm

re: #134 Bob in Breckenridge

/It takes a village.

It is fun watching her go nuts because the press decided to basically stop covering her.

138 Sharmuta  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:06:04pm

re: #112 unrealizedviewpoint

It's called double speak.

I think what he's saying is with Bush, the preconditions are iran gives up it's nukes. What obama is saying is iran thinks that's what the negotiations should be- about giving up the nukes. So that's enough for him to want to talk to them.

139 really grumpy big dog johnson  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:06:08pm

Why doesn't LGF remember my login any more, after all these years?

Obama is a retard regarding US international affairs. He doesn't even have a clue. That's scary.

140 Grammy Cracker  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:06:26pm

re: #100 Shiplord Kirel

There will be. The only question is whether it will be by our lawfully constituted military forces------ or someone else.

Bush and Cheney will do it, of course.

141 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:06:33pm

re: #66 buzzsawmonkey

The notion that it is noble to defend creeps who are almost invariably guilty and evil to protect society by putting them away has been deeply ingrained in students by the time they reach law school, and often reinforced there.


Ironically, any idea I had of doing criminal defense was quickly shot down when I attended a lecture by a hotshot criminal defense lawyer at the recommendation of our Crim. Law professor. This guy was so GLEEFUL at recounting how he got off murderers, drug dealers and rapists who were obviously guilty... I left in disgust.

142 LoFlyer  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:06:40pm

re: #105 right wing zephyr

Hugh Hewitt just equated electing Obama President to handing the car keys and a bottle of Jack to a 12 year old. I think that sounds about right although less dangerous.

Seriously, Fukk this moron. I'm continually astounded at his blatant idiocy as he keeps trying to seem centrist even while proving his radical leftism.

My prediction for the 2008 election. American citizens become concerned with Obama's ties to lefty extremists and vote McCain as our next president. The Republican lose 20 percent of the congress and senate seats because they are perceived as Democrat Lite. McCain wins fame for the most veto's in history.

/best case scenario

143 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:06:41pm

re: #108 yochanan

been repaying mine and i made a lot less than she made in 5 years than she made in 1 year.

My loan deferment expires in a couple months. If I get a job, so far none of the ones I've been able to find have paid over 10 and hour. I'm sure I feel for Ms. Obama. My A** weeps for her.

144 brainwizard73  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:06:46pm

re: #115 Tangonine

I'm sorry... is that the school which she attended after having admittance scores that were below the standard for admission?
?

?

In the "unfair" America?

Whatever her scores it clearly made her bitter.

145 rightymouse  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:06:56pm

Obama has no idea what the blazes he's talking about.

His Achilles heel is that he can't stand criticism/scrutiny. I say we focus on that heel and go munching.

146 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:07:11pm
147 mikeinmd  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:07:19pm

re: #133 unrealizedviewpoint

IGod, I hope you're right. My liver can't take 4 years of him.

148 astronmr20  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:07:37pm

re: #139 really grumpy big dog johnson

You have to click "remember me."

149 livefreeor die  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:07:39pm

re: #140 Grammy Cracker

Bush and Cheney will do it, of course.

How awesome would it be for them to hit Iran's nuclear facilities on January 19, 2009?
"Bye, y'all."

150 brainwizard73  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:07:53pm

re: #127 Geepers

Stop pestering me with all these damn questions, just make me president already ya bunch a ignorant hicks.

Bring me the head of Mr. Leggo!

151 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:08:32pm
152 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:08:44pm
153 Tangonine  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:08:51pm

The only satisfaction we'll get is enjoying watching hildebeast smash full speed, head-first into the brick wall that is the DNC.

The next four years will suck ass no matter which one of these idiots gets elected, so just sit back and enjoy watching mama Hillary eat poop. It's the only bright spot we're gonna get for a while so make sure you don't miss it.

154 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:08:55pm

re: #89 cincinnati_kid37

Obama said it was too dangerous for him to go to Alaska or Hawaii when he was recently explaining how he'd been to 57 states..

What did he mean by it was do dangerous to go to Alaska or Hawaii?

155 rightwinger3  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:09:45pm

re: #138 Sharmuta

It's called double speak.

I think what he's saying is with Bush, the preconditions are iran gives up it's nukes. What obama is saying is iran thinks that's what the negotiations should be- about giving up the nukes. So that's enough for him to want to talk to them.

Sharmuta, It's more than that. This is triple or maybe even quadruple.

156 brainwizard73  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:09:48pm

re: #137 livefreeor die

It is fun watching her go nuts because the press decided to basically stop covering her.


If I were a hard-core feminist, I might be a little unhappy about how this turned out...then again, if I were I would be a miserable, overweight, angry, frumpy...hey, wait...I am all those things...

Damn.

157 HelloDare  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:09:51pm

To the tune of Sugar Time.

Waffle in the morning
Waffle in the evening.
Waffle at supper time.
158 astronmr20  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:09:56pm

re: #149 livefreeor die

How awesome would it be for them to hit Iran's nuclear facilities on January 19, 2009?
"Bye, y'all."

That would be worth all of Bush's screw-ups, for sure. I'd commission a bronze statue of the man for my living room.

159 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:10:18pm
160 livefreeor die  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:10:25pm

re: #153 Tangonine

The only satisfaction we'll get is enjoying watching hildebeast smash full speed, head-first into the brick wall that is the DNC.

The next four years will suck ass no matter which one of these idiots gets elected, so just sit back and enjoy watching mama Hillary eat poop. It's the only bright spot we're gonna get for a while so make sure you don't miss it.

I keep waiting for her complete, unhinged snap when the real Hillary shows itself at last in frustration at not being able to control people's views of her.

161 gop_patriot  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:10:34pm

re: #144 brainwizard73

Whatever her scores it clearly made her bitter arugulear.

Fixed.
/Occasional Reader gave us a new verb.

162 mean Gene  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:10:35pm

re: #76 Roentgen

He's amorphous.

Well, maybe he is.....but he also has a wife.

163 Tangonine  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:11:06pm

re: #144 brainwizard73

Whatever her scores it clearly made her bitter.

You're saying her lack of knowledge on the admission tests made her bitter?

164 gop_patriot  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:11:17pm

re: #161 gop_patriot

Fixed.
/Occasional Reader gave us a new verb.

Which can hopefully be used as an adjective. ROFLOL duh

165 Nemo  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:11:26pm

L'il Barack

"Michelle, Michelle, I'm preparing to meet Akmadinijad, how do I look?"

"I have never been really proud to be an American until now."

"Oh ok, cool. So how's this then: we start talking and I'll say 'hey you know all that threatening to destroy Israel is just political posturing right?' What can he say "no, I really mean it."

Barack and Michelle share a moment of laughter.

"OK then I'll say something like 'hey back off the rhetoric or else. OR ESLE! He'll have to say ok then."

"Honey that's a great plan."

Yeah this presidency stuff is fun and pretty easy.

"Yeah believe that!"

"I do and I got a lot of people believing it too!"

Shared laughter and a long embrace. Barrack excuses himself to go see his personal trainer Tony.

166 Sharmuta  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:11:49pm

re: #155 rightwinger3

Whatever we multiply that by, the answer is still really f*cked up.

167 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:11:51pm

Obama's new states:

Chocolatania- formerly New Orleans, separated to keep black votes from being diluted by redneck elements in the swamps and forests.

District of Columbia, North- DC will be TWO states in recognition of its national importance and the need for more progressives in the Senate.

District of Columbia, South- see above

Puerto Rico- exempt from income tax as reparations for the imperialist invasion of 1898 (which expelled the Spanish, btw).

Greater Detroit- Same rationale as Chocolatania, too many embittered, gun-clinging yokels in the Michigan woods.

Obamagrad- A new type of urban state formed from geographically diverse but socially uniform enclaves. Would include SF Bay area, Boulder, Madison, etc.

West Massachusetts- Teddy the Hutt needs two seats in the senate. (Glad you're ok, Teddy, but expect a resumption of political fire.)

168 bombarafat  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:12:00pm

CAN YOU SMELL WHAT BARACK IS COOKING?

WAFFLES

169 Areopagitica  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:12:01pm

I thought eating waffles was un-islamic. In Iran, can't one be sentenced to death by a Sharia court for eating them?

170 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:12:09pm
171 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:12:31pm

re: #152 buzzsawmonkey

I worked for the ACLU while in law school, and discovered that I did not give a rat's ass if axe murderers were denied their TV privileges in prison.

You heartless, racist, fascist bastard! Don't you realize that there may be child-rapists in prison RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT who aren't getting DirectTV?

172 Grammy Cracker  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:12:31pm

re: #144 brainwizard73

Whatever her scores it clearly made her bitter.

Maybe she never felt really accepted - like she really belonged there - because she didn't?

/just askin'...

173 brainwizard73  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:12:42pm

re: #161 gop_patriot

Fixed.
/Occasional Reader gave us a new verb.

Alright, smart guy, conjugate that...

174 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:12:43pm
175 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:12:47pm

re: #165 Nemo

I'm having these images of Obamamama as the new Steve Erkel ...

176 really grumpy big dog johnson  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:12:56pm

re: #148 astronmr20

You have to click "remember me."

Every time. I didn't log in for the first 7-8 years.

177 livefreeor die  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:13:00pm

re: #156 brainwizard73

If I were a hard-core feminist, I might be a little unhappy about how this turned out...then again, if I were I would be a miserable, overweight, angry, frumpy...hey, wait...I am all those things...

Damn.

Heh! I'm a working mom. I get tired of being told that people don't like the Hildebeast because they're sexist. Every time she cries, whines about how the guys are treating her, etc., she screws women over just to get ahead. You want to be a feminist, Hillary. Take the lumps of running for president and keep your complaints to yourself.

178 rightwinger3  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:13:13pm

re: #166 Sharmuta

Whatever we multiply that by, the answer is still really f*cked up.

and multiply that too!

179 Grammy Cracker  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:13:29pm

re: #149 livefreeor die

How awesome would it be for them to hit Iran's nuclear facilities on January 19, 2009?
"Bye, y'all."

From your 'lips' to God's ears....

180 Racer X  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:13:37pm

On the factcheckbarackobama site it proclaims "Know the Facts".

Be careful what you wish for Barry.

181 Eric  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:13:38pm

re: #111 Mars Needs Neocons

You know, I have thought the same thing. Obama the man is a cipher. Obama the candidate is a marionette. He has been cultivated for this position, cultivated for this opportunity.

Of course that begs the question: who has been cultivating him...

I'll take my paranoid cap off now, it's a little itchy.

182 Tangonine  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:14:00pm

"Obamagrad"

I'd copyright that name right now if I were you.

I'd grab "Obamastan" while I was at it.

183 brainwizard73  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:14:14pm

re: #163 Tangonine

You're saying her lack of knowledge on the admission tests made her bitter?

More focused on the process of education itself. The experience clearly made her bitter. Seriously, the woman is one pissed off person. Makes Lewis Black seem only slightly over-medicated.

184 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:14:32pm

re: #164 gop_patriot

Which can hopefully be used as an adjective. ROFLOL duh

She would be aruguleada.

185 jcm  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:14:50pm

re: #180 Racer X

On the factcheckbarackobama site it proclaims "Know the Facts".

Be careful what you wish for Barry.

Attacks never fed a starving child.
/

186 astronmr20  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:15:05pm

re: #182 Tangonine

Obamabad, too.

187 Jim in Virginia  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:15:09pm

re: #106 mikeinmd

Only a true elitist beaurocrat can talk this gibberish. In the Private sector, having to deal with real problems, he'd be handed his hat in about 3 minutes.

And he's the Dem nominee for POTUS.


Tells you a lot about the Democrat party.

188 jaunte  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:15:17pm

re: #170 song_and_dance_man

Looks like the anti-O t-shirts are still an ebay bargain:
[Link: cgi.ebay.com...]

189 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:15:18pm
190 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:15:23pm
191 Racer X  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:15:27pm

re: #170 song_and_dance_man

Is that like the single-digit salute?

192 brainwizard73  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:15:29pm

re: #168 bombarafat

CAN YOU SMELL WHAT BARACK IS COOKING?

WAFFLES


As said by Jeremiah Wright?

193 Grammy Cracker  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:15:34pm

re: #151 savage_nation

you typical white person!

Guilty as charged, sir!

LOL

194 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:16:09pm

re: #173 brainwizard73

Alright, smart guy, conjugate that...

Yo aruguleo
Tu aruguleas
El/ella arugulea
Nosotros aruguleamos
ustedes/ellos/ellas arguluean

195 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:16:20pm
196 livefreeor die  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:16:22pm

re: #193 Grammy Cracker

Guilty as charged, sir!

LOL

So, who qualifies as an atypical white person?
Just wondering...

197 LoFlyer  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:16:27pm

re: #170 song_and_dance_man

I think I'm gonna buy a B. Hussein bobblehead doll for my dash so I can finger ping it every time I have to drive.

Something to think about, you might want to consider marketing your idea. 80,000 at the last Obama love fest! How many of the 80,000 would buy your Obama "love doll"!

198 brainwizard73  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:16:44pm

re: #172 Grammy Cracker

Maybe she never felt really accepted - like she really belonged there - because she didn't?

/just askin'...

Hey, Geraldine Ferraro, quit posing on this site and go back to Move On!

199 WayDownSouthInBama  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:17:03pm

I haven't seen this much confusion over trying to explain something since Mr. Garrison tried to explain the Theory of Evolution. Mr. Garrison's explanation of Evolution did make more sense than Obama's explanation of his foreign policy though.

200 Roentgen  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:17:14pm

re: #149 livefreeor die

How awesome would it be for them to hit Iran's nuclear facilities on January 19, 2009?
"Bye, y'all."

I believe it would be challenging. It sounds as if the Iranians have considered this and spread things around pretty well. Might be worth a try .

201 right wing zephyr  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:17:26pm

re: #154 unrealizedviewpoint

What did he mean by it was do dangerous to go to Alaska or Hawaii?

Forget that! What did he mean by 57?

202 jcm  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:17:41pm

re: #170 song_and_dance_man

I think I'm gonna buy a B. Hussein bobblehead doll for my dash so I can finger ping it every time I have to drive.

Here ya' go.

203 really grumpy big dog johnson  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:17:47pm

We need clean energy, like solar energy, wind energy, ethanol made from corn, and biodiesel.

That's an approximate quote, which is why it isn't in quotes. It's from Barack Obama.

Mr. Obama, let's start with biodiesel. Please explain to me why that's such a green fuel. I'll listen to everything you say, but you might not like what I have to say afterward. Sorry, Mr. B.

204 brainwizard73  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:18:15pm

re: #175 Lucius Septimius

I'm having these images of Obamamama as the new Steve Erkel ...

Obama presses a red button in the Oval Office, and half of Russia explodes in a hail of nuclear fire...

"Did I do thaaaaaaaat?"

205 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:18:56pm
206 Grammy Cracker  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:19:31pm

re: #167 Shiplord Kirel

Obama's new states:

Chocolatania- formerly New Orleans, separated to keep black votes from being diluted by redneck elements in the swamps and forests.
...
Greater Detroit- Same rationale as Chocolatania, too many embittered, gun-clinging yokels in the Michigan woods. ...

I beg your pardon! I may be a God-lovin', gun clingin' yokel, but I am NOT bitter! In fact, I'm quite sweet...

/teehee....

207 really grumpy big dog johnson  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:19:32pm

re: #197 LoFlyer

Something to think about, you might want to consider marketing your idea. 80,000 at the last Obama love fest! How many of the 80,000 would buy your Obama "love doll"!

The 80 thousand that were 7 thousand. Believe your own experience, not what the talking heads want to spoon feed you.

208 littleoldlady  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:19:36pm

ARUGULAING!

/ROFTL! I'm choking here...
//somebody please put it in the LGF dictionary before another blogger steals it!

209 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:20:05pm
210 katemaclaren  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:20:14pm

I was looking at the American Thinker and one of the comments had this quote from Eric Hoffer, 1951 - "The True Believer - Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements"
P.11
"When hopes and dreams are loose in the streets, it is well for the timid to lock doors , shutter windows and lie low until the wrath has passed. For there is often a monstrous incongruity between the hopes, however noble and tender, and the actions that follows them. It is as if ivied maidens and garlanded youths were to herald the four horsemen of the apocalypse.
And p.12
"People who see their lives as irremediably spoiled cannot find a worth-while purpose in self-advancement...Their innermost craving is for a new life - a rebirth - or failing this, a chance to acquire new elements of pride, confidence, hope, a sense of purpose and worth by an identification with a holy cause. An active mass movement offers them opportunities for both..." and P. 13
" It is true that in the early adherents of a mass movement there are also adventurers who join in the hope that that the movement will give a spin to their wheel of fortune and whirl them to fame and power." (op. cit)

I remember reading this book in the 60s--maybe that's why I never swooned over these politicos or rock stars.

211 really grumpy big dog johnson  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:20:27pm

re: #196 livefreeor die

So, who qualifies as an atypical white person?
Just wondering...

Curly hair, and a Hawaiian suntan...

/

212 brainwizard73  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:20:29pm

re: #177 livefreeor die

Heh! I'm a working mom. I get tired of being told that people don't like the Hildebeast because they're sexist. Every time she cries, whines about how the guys are treating her, etc., she screws women over just to get ahead. You want to be a feminist, Hillary. Take the lumps of running for president and keep your complaints to yourself.

If you want to run with the big dogs, you have to be able to whiz in the high grass.

Senator Obama...stop, stop Senator, it is an expression...there is no "grass" here...stop it!

213 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:20:51pm
214 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:20:56pm

re: #204 brainwizard73

Obama presses a red button in the Oval Office, and half of Russia explodes in a hail of nuclear fire...

"Did I do thaaaaaaaat?"

heh!

215 nyc redneck  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:22:05pm

the msm has set him up to think he can make these ridiculous statements and get away w/ this stupidity.
he's a spinning long legged pimp mack daddy spider.

216 brainwizard73  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:22:38pm

re: #194 Occasional Reader

Yo aruguleo
Tu aruguleas
El/ella arugulea
Nosotros aruguleamos
ustedes/ellos/ellas arguluean

Bravo...here is what I have...

Ich arugule
Du arugulest
Sie arugeuleas (same for all third person...you can do that in German a little...so it's not a cop out)

Alright, it is a cop out, but I only got "C's" in German...

217 really grumpy big dog johnson  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:22:42pm

I want just one person to pin BO down on the date (approximate) that he last burned a spleef.

It's the evil one inside me that wants the answer to that question.

218 Grammy Cracker  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:22:58pm

re: #196 livefreeor die

So, who qualifies as an atypical white person?
Just wondering...

Well.....

I don't consider myself to be 'typical' anything, but apparently BHO, Jeremiah Wrong and their ilk consider me 'typically white' by accident of my birth. I gather they think they are the arbiters of who is and who is not typical.

219 Tangonine  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:23:53pm

re: #172 Grammy Cracker

Maybe she never felt really accepted - like she really belonged there - because she didn't?

/just askin'...

because her trip thru princeton (bs in sociology/african american studies... wtf?) qualified her to attend Harvard.

Are you serious? sociology/african-american studies? could you get a degree that contributed less to society? I'm sure I'm offending a couple LGF readers, but, here's a hint: get a degree in a field in which you can actually contribute: i.e; physics, chemistry, SOME TYPE OF engineering, business, computer science, etc etc. Then you dont' have to worry about leeching off the system while finding yourself a position where you have to justify your existence.

Want a "fun" degree? (history, english, etc) fine. You're teaching for the rest of you life and you shouldn't expect a $100k/year salary. Your choice. YOUR CHOICE.

gd liberals....

220 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:23:55pm

re: #217 really grumpy big dog johnson

I want just one person to pin BO down on the date (approximate) that he last burned a spleef.

It's the evil one inside me that wants the answer to that question.

"Dude, I'm not sure.... it was earlier today... 4:20! That's it."

221 wanumba  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:25:24pm

Our first affirmative action presidential candidate, produced by the Democrats who twisted a decent-enough original concept of affirmative action into the bizarro-thing it is today. As in flattering, grade inflating, grade promoting, preferentially selecting of mediocre people into slots they have no business being in. And when they get said positions, they fail and fail loudly with great anger, bitterness and lashing out, for they had believed the flattery and their now overpumped egos won't accept the truth.
Barack has shot to the top of the Dems as their top contender for the incredibly important US Presidency, on nothing but his skin color, just as pathetic as the other top Dem choice being solely promoted on being a "spouse" of the "female" variety, an absurd situation that reflects grotesquely on the Progressive Liberal Left Dems as a responsible political Party, and exposes Barack's self-delusion that he knows enough on just two years of junior senatorship to be President. If he was as smart as they all say he is, he'd be putting in the time and work, like Bobby Jindal is doing - knowing he needs executive experience to be able to be a good administrator - knowing that these things take time, perserverence and investment and hard work - what rational athlete runs at high school and then thinks he can be a contender four months later at the Olympics?
Decades of being the "Golden Guy" and now being told he isn't? Decades of getting pretty much what he wanted without stretching much to get it? Uh, oh.

222 LoFlyer  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:25:46pm

re: #217 really grumpy big dog johnson

I want just one person to pin BO down on the date (approximate) that he last burned a spleef.

It's the evil one inside me that wants the answer to that question.

Probably last night on the tour bus with Willie Nelson.....

223 astronmr20  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:26:54pm

re: #219 Tangonine

Well, apparently it worked out just peachy for Mrs. Obama.


(No I'm not offended.. I'm a big proponent of technical colleges rather than the 4 to 6 years of high-priced bullshit you get in most American Universities).

224 Grammy Cracker  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:26:55pm

re: #205 song_and_dance_man

I think Mandy can design a much simpler and descriptive one than that.

Bwaaaaah! I'll be first in line for Mandy's version!

/guessing I won't be wearing it to church, though.....

225 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:27:10pm

I just got some numbers that may interest you lizards. Press reporting Billings, MT 7000 Obama supporters at rally. Auditorium at West High where it was held max capacity 3000. 1500 students bussed in from all the other schools, 2000 tickets sold 1000 given away. Unless there were extra people brought in the numbers don't fit. I would say at max we are looking at 1500 paying Obama fanatics, the rest were forced to be there.


What does everyone else think?

226 astronmr20  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:29:20pm

re: #225 Mars Needs Neocons

NO ONE has to force a high school student to skip class and go to a rally on a field trip, no matter what their political affiliation may be.

227 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:29:27pm

re: #201 right wing zephyr

re: #154 unrealizedviewpoint

What did he mean by it was do dangerous to go to Alaska or Hawaii?

Forget that! What did he mean by 57?

There's been much said about the all the states in BHO's country. But really nothing (that I'm aware) said about why it's dangerous for him to go to Alaska and Hawaii. What did he mean?

228 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:29:36pm
229 wanumba  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:32:04pm

re: #225 Mars Needs Neocons
Something smells fishy, definitely.

230 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:32:31pm

re: #226 astronmr20

NO ONE has to force a high school student to skip class and go to a rally on a field trip, no matter what their political affiliation may be.

Actually you would have had to force most of the people I went to school with. We really didn't tolerate political BS of any stripe and hated assemblies. There would have been about a third of the class the somehow went AWOL on the way there.

231 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:34:08pm

A President who cannot communicate a definitive position is dangerous.

Ahmidinijad: So, you think you can bully Iran into stopping our nuclear program?

Bockobama: First, thank you for meeting with me. The fundamental issue here is whether or not a discussion of this type should occur given the past, present, and future implications of engaging in such dialogue which embraces the mere possibility that what is likely being suggested, even be undertaken.

Ahmidinijad: So, you will attack us?

Bockobama: It's possible that a mis-characterization of our intent is something that is best avoided and in that vein, I strongly urge that we move forward on this issue to arrive at destination where all parties can be treated with respect, dignity, and work on a solution that will serve us all well for generations to come.

Ahmidinijad: OK. Is what we thought. We blow up New York now. Nice to talking with you. We do again soon, yes?

232 mattm  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:34:49pm

re: #47 Tangonine

I'm watching his speech from a replay from today on C-SPAN.

Some girl asked if he'd subsidize her education for law school.

He replies: "yes, of course! if you're going to be a public defender... but not if you're going to be a corporate lawyer..."

So apparently getting government subsidies under Barrack Hussein Obama depends entirely on you making the "right" political decisions.

what a fking dirtbag.

A socialist supports only the people who agree with him. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you

/sarc

233 livefreeor die  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:35:07pm

Night all-I have to go tuck the kids in, cling to my guns and religion, etc...

234 SlartyBartfast  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:37:53pm

Obama said, ”Nobody expects that you would suddenly just sit down with them for coffee without having done the appropriate groundwork,“

Rush Limbaugh said, "So when Obama says that he's going to meet without preconditions with Ahmadinejad, it means he's gonna have him over for coffee..."

Coincidence?

Heh.

/can I jus haz my wafflez in Cape Girardeau?

235 Tangonine  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:40:55pm

re: #230 Mars Needs Neocons

Actually you would have had to force most of the people I went to school with. We really didn't tolerate political BS of any stripe and hated assemblies. There would have been about a third of the class the somehow went AWOL on the way there.

I went to High School in Twin Bridges, MT (class of '86), and you'd have had to send most of our graduating class at gunpoint to that rally.

236 wanumba  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:40:57pm

re: #194 Occasional Reader

Yo aruguleo
Tu aruguleas
El/ella arugulea
Nosotros aruguleamos
ustedes/ellos/ellas arguluean


Hmm!
J'arugule
tu arugules
il/elle/on arugule
nous arugulons
vous arugulez
ils/elles arugulent

237 Reno911  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:40:58pm

The reality of the current political environment is worse than you think.

The Mass Psychology of Fascism

238 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:45:33pm

re: #235 Tangonine

I went to High School in Twin Bridges, MT (class of '86), and you'd have had to send most of our graduating class at gunpoint to that rally.

Live in MT now, but graduated Thermopolis, WY in 88, don't think there is a hell of lot of difference in attitude. LOL

239 toomanysnax  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:50:08pm

re: #111 Mars Needs Neocons

I'm not trying to defend the SOB, but after reading everything I've read here the last few days I've come to the conclusion that there is little Obama could have done to change his ways. From an early age he has been solidly indoctrinated into stupid anti-american belief after another. This has been planned at least from his communist connections. First Islam, the Communism, the the Wrong Reverend Wright, the the Congressional Black Caucus. This doesn't include Tom Hayden, Weather Underground, George Soros, and everyone else (including the Chicago political machine) that has been pushing and guiding him into the ultimate Socialist Trojan Horse. I begin to wonder if even his wife was chosen for her liberal credentials by his handlers. This man wasn't raised he was designed.

Outstanding post. I urge everyone to read his first book. Consider this quote from page 86 in the paperback version.

"Only Malcom X's autobiography seemed to offer something different. His repeated acts of self-creation spoke to me; the blunt poetry of his words . . . And yet, even as I imagined myself following Malcolm's call, one line in the book stayed me. He spoke of a wish he'd once had, the wish that the white blood that ran through him, there by an act of violence, might somehow be expunged. . . I knew that, for Malcolm, that wish would never be incidental. I knew as well that traveling down the road to self-respect my own white blood would never recede into mere abstraction. I was left to wonder what else I would be severing if and when I left my mother and my grandparents at some uncharted border."

And how about this from page 93. "I had grown tired of trying to untangle a mess that wasn't of my making [his race]. I had learned not to care . . . Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it."

This is a presidential candidate with a problem and electing him won't solve his problems. It will only make ours worse.

240 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:52:10pm

re: #237 Reno911

The reality of the current political environment is worse than you think.

The Mass Psychology of Fascism

Compare any number of Obama rallies to this clip from Cabaret:
Tomorrow Belongs to Me
Same enraptured faces, soaring hope, and lockstep collectivist mentality. It is truly frightening.

241 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, May 19, 2008 6:53:26pm

re: #227 unrealizedviewpoint

Just got back and re-read your comment on the DKos thread, re the motivations of the Democrat leadership. I stand corrected, and I don't think you and I disagree.

242 finallyhere  Mon, May 19, 2008 7:00:59pm

Obama is not "particular controversial". When you try to understand what the hell he is saying, you show "disrespect to him" and "that is unacceptable". He held so many meetings of his Senate Subcommittee on European Affairs, that he knows better than McCain how to protect this country, leave alone what we need to drive and how much to eat.
And lay off his wife. She is finally proud of this country.
Barack Obama, last night in Portland, on Iran: "They don't pose a serious threat to us."
Barack Obama, today, in Billings, Montana, on Iran: "I've made it clear for years that the threat from Iran is grave."

Got it?

243 blue_like_jazz  Mon, May 19, 2008 7:02:52pm

y'all, i was YELLING at my radio this afternoon! the afternoon radio show here in charlotte had a guest news guy on who is a total obamaniac.

he was insisting that obama wanting to "talk with" TTD (the tiny dictator) was DIFFERENT than "negotiating" with him.

HIM: "what's the harm in sitting down with ahmadinnerjacket?"

ME: "because it lends legitimacy to a third world, thug dictator who hates us and israel, you f*cking moron!"

244 Reno911  Mon, May 19, 2008 7:03:50pm

re: #240 Shiplord Kirel

Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

245 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Mon, May 19, 2008 7:23:04pm

re: #231 brickthruplateglasswindow

re: #231 brickthruplateglasswindow

A President who cannot communicate a definitive position is dangerous.

Ahmidinijad: So, you think you can bully Iran into stopping our nuclear program?

Bockobama: First, thank you for meeting with me. The fundamental issue here is whether or not a discussion of this type should occur given the past, present, and future implications of engaging in such dialogue which embraces the mere possibility that what is likely being suggested, even be undertaken.

Ahmidinijad: So, you will attack us?

Bockobama: It's possible that a mis-characterization of our intent is something that is best avoided and in that vein, I strongly urge that we move forward on this issue to arrive at destination where all parties can be treated with respect, dignity, and work on a solution that will serve us all well for generations to come.

Ahmidinijad: OK. Is what we thought. We blow up New York now. Nice to talking with you. We do again soon, yes?

I could not have stated it better myself. We do get the bigger picture.

246 LeonidasOfSparta  Mon, May 19, 2008 7:39:09pm

re: #242 finallyhere

interesting. I was thinking similarly as I read the entire text (nothing out of CON-text) of his MANY MANY MANY ditherings provided above. The other thing that came to mind was:

He is so busy wanting each word to "mean something different to every listener" that he doesn't really MEAN any of it.

How can he caress the Jews while agreeing they need to be wiped off the face of the earth?

How can he object to race baiting while coddling his fave Rev and pandering to the congregation of his Church and other "black liberation" churches?

How can he tell EVERYONE that to heal we must stop dwelling in the past while busily blaming every problem on whitey and the days of slavery and the KKK?

And, as you so brillliantly pointed out, "finallyhere", if anyone points out these GLARING inconsistencies BHussein takes umbridge and cries "racism", or he gets huffy and declares such requests for HONESTY are "distractions" from what is truly important.

Bloody windbag! That's the only thing I can say about him. I believe he's dangerous and most likely a Trojan Horse for Islam-- but when I boil it all down to the very bottom of the pot, he's just a bloody windbag.

247 LeonidasOfSparta  Mon, May 19, 2008 7:40:41pm

re: #245 really grumpy big dog Johnson

LMAO

248 Charcoalburner  Mon, May 19, 2008 7:45:35pm

I like the reference to arugula, but arugulaing doesn't seem quite right. How about...

arugulate tr. v., arugulated, arugulating, arugulates. 1. To change from one side of an issue to another in a hopeful manner.

Bill Clinton showed us how to triangulate; why shouldn't Barry Obama teach us about arugulating?

249 Timbre  Mon, May 19, 2008 7:55:37pm

Obama is so arrogant and confident he will win the presidential election, he is almost ready to announce his 5-year New Economic Program. Stay tuned to your favorite, professional, news source.

251 Ojoe  Mon, May 19, 2008 8:05:21pm

I hungry, other nations say OK.

252 CapeCoddah  Mon, May 19, 2008 8:07:52pm

re: #217 really grumpy big dog johnson
Good evening all. Hey grumpy, I think the answer to that may be 57 states...

253 yesandno  Mon, May 19, 2008 8:22:06pm
Good grief. Can you say, barrage of BS?

BOB!

254 toomanysnax  Mon, May 19, 2008 8:22:38pm

re: #221 wanumba

In 1965 I visited a friend who was enrolled at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy in Boston. We went to dinner with several of his friends, one of whom was black. I asked him during dinner about the difficulty of his classwork and how hard it was to get into the school.
He told me "It wasn't hard at all. I'm black from Salt Lake City. I fill half a dozen quotas for the school."

I had never heard anything like that before until I realized O'Bama was black from Hawaii. How many quotas did he fill to get into the Ivy League?

For a guy who claims to have taught Constitution Law, he sure doesn't know much about the Constitution.

255 CanuckInMI  Mon, May 19, 2008 8:30:25pm

Barack Hussein Obama, aka The Hidden Imam.

256 avspatti  Mon, May 19, 2008 8:30:42pm

re: #9 yochanan

Pancakes are flat as a pancake; waffles have little recessed squares where the syrup can hang out. Yummy. :)

257 six-gun-neo-con  Mon, May 19, 2008 8:31:05pm

Obama is still just a junior/freshman congressman and it shows. These people should not be allowed to run for office until they get at least a little experience in the federal government.

258 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, May 19, 2008 8:31:40pm

The Carrot:

Obama would offer the Iranian regime a choice. If Iran abandons its nuclear program and support for terrorism, we will offer incentives like membership in the World Trade Organization, economic investments, and a move toward normal diplomatic relations.

The Stick:

If Iran continues its troubling behavior, we will step up our economic pressure and political isolation.

Yea, boy...that'll have Iran peeing in their pants.

...with laughter.

Hussein's an idiot.

259 solomonpanting  Mon, May 19, 2008 8:35:37pm

Heard on Hugh Hewitt's Show today:

When it comes to foreign affairs and defense, every time Obama opens his mouth he double downs on his ignorance.

260 kevinmumaw  Mon, May 19, 2008 8:43:36pm

There was a time when I legitimately thought Obama was "smart and articulate", just held different political views than my own. I now believe that the "57 states gaffe" was no gaffe. He thinks Kentucky is the 53rd state. He is a smooth talker, and little more. As long as he can keep saying "Hope", "Yes We Can", and "Change", he will survive. That may last another month before he gets real questions. And he may need to develop a bit of a skin if he wants to have the job of President. Just a thought. I am starting to understand why they say Democrats are masters of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

If he does get elected, I don't see him lasting more than 2-3 years. He is pretty weak all around.

261 Plumed Basilisk  Mon, May 19, 2008 8:52:17pm

’The argument was that I would invite Hugo Chavez over to my house, and we’d pop open a beer and we’d start talking..'

How come it was coffee in Washington and beer in (my home of) KC?

/he mused while opening another beer...

Must be his elitist flyover country stereotypes in action again.

/going to go pray while I clean my guns.

262 avspatti  Mon, May 19, 2008 9:01:31pm

OK. I've been reading these Obama threads off and on for two days now, and I think among all the other things discussed here (Wright, Iran, Kennedy/ Khrushchev and Cuba so on and so on) Obama is ridiculously unprepared to be president.

I am in Berkeley visiting my son and his family. The whole place is crazy for Obama. My son, who is a scientist, is normally a very intelligent, logical, lucid and moderate person and is 100% behind O. He is nearly 40 years old. Whatever can be the matter with him?

Second question: Seriously, what are the chances that Obama will lose the election? He will have the media completely on his side. The electorate is full of people who have no clue about history. Recently, I was teaching in a school district which eliminated all social studies in the middle school in order to prepare for the standardized testing mandated by No Child Left Behind. They eliminated Civics in the H.S. also. I am getting really worried.

263 avspatti  Mon, May 19, 2008 9:04:41pm

re: #89 cincinnati_kid37

Obama said it was too dangerous for him to go to Alaska or Hawaii when he was recently explaining how he'd been to 57 states..

What guts! What courage! I guess we're back to 48 states now. Pathetic.

264 profitsbeard  Mon, May 19, 2008 9:17:37pm

If Iran is so "tiny" a problem, why even talk to them?

Just drop a case of Eggo's upon Tehran and move on.

Obama is like a one-legged man dancing in maple syrup.

All spin, all the time.

265 Ojoe  Mon, May 19, 2008 9:32:24pm

re: #262 avspatti

In my opinion Obama is profoundly unelectable.

Americans are optimists; those who emigrated to our shores were energetic and optimistic or they would not have made the effort; and then Obama goes and says that we in effect are not going to be able to eat as much as we want, so other nations will be 'OK' with us...

This goes over like a lead balloon.

And so on.

Every day another insult.

I find it hard to remain civil when commenting about this man, and I think I am in the majority.

I used to be a peace-and-love hippie too.

The man is toast, politically, in my opinion.

266 ladycatnip  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:04:59pm

If one ever needs an example of protesting too much, this would be it.

267 avspatti  Mon, May 19, 2008 10:45:40pm

re: #265 Ojoe

In my opinion Obama is profoundly unelectable.

Americans are optimists; those who emigrated to our shores were energetic and optimistic or they would not have made the effort; and then Obama goes and says that we in effect are not going to be able to eat as much as we want, so other nations will be 'OK' with us...

This goes over like a lead balloon.

And so on.

Every day another insult.

I find it hard to remain civil when commenting about this man, and I think I am in the majority.

I used to be a peace-and-love hippie too.

The man is toast, politically, in my opinion.

Thanks for the encouragement. I, too, have always thought we Americans were optimistic for the reasons you state. I just hope you are right.

268 Jaydee  Mon, May 19, 2008 11:32:56pm

Waffling, Obama does a lot of waffling, especially when it comes to the Rezko court case.

Long read, but worth it.

[Link: www.bestsyndication.com...]
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269 Conspirator[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 12:07:43am
270 Annar  Tue, May 20, 2008 3:26:10am

re: #89 cincinnati_kid37

Obama said it was too dangerous for him to go to Alaska or Hawaii when he was recently explaining how he'd been to 57 states..

Imam Obama first noticed that their were 57 states sometime after receiving support from ex presidential candidate Heinz-Kerry. That same endorsement got him the right to be waffler in chief. This gives him a pass in the MSM to have as many as 57 contradictory varieties in his positions on any issue without being brought to task.

271 Annar  Tue, May 20, 2008 3:40:28am


re: #236 wanumba

Hmm!
J'arugule
tu arugules
il/elle/on arugule
nous arugulons
vous arugulez
ils/elles arugulent

Vous m'avez dévancé!

272 Lawrence Schmerel  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:15:05am

How nuanced!

273 itsspideyman  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:29:49am

re: #267 avspatti

In my opinion Obama is profoundly unelectable.

Americans are optimists; those who emigrated to our shores were energetic and optimistic or they would not have made the effort; and then Obama goes and says that we in effect are not going to be able to eat as much as we want, so other nations will be 'OK' with us...

This goes over like a lead balloon.

And so on.

Every day another insult.

I find it hard to remain civil when commenting about this man, and I think I am in the majority.

I used to be a peace-and-love hippie too.

The man is toast, politically, in my opinion.

Thanks for the encouragement. I, too, have always thought we Americans were optimistic for the reasons you state. I just hope you are right.


Is Obama electable? Good question. The people that will make the difference will be the ones who decide in the last 48 hours. There comes a hardening will in those last two days. Many a pretender has left the machine because the American people, in their wisdom, think of their country and have made the right choice. Men like Reagan didn't have the media on their side and made it. I want to believe the same thing will happen this time.

274 shane  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:47:18am

Obama is doing what he needs to get elected. That by itself is enough to show he isn't up for the job.

275 itsspideyman  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:49:31am

re: #274 shane

Excellent point.

276 shane  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:00:17am

Obama reminds me of Carter. Carter had his famous fire side chat in which he told us to get used to not being number one and how our society was declining but we could learn to get along with others so it wouldn't be so bad. He wanted to be the one to tell us we really weren't a great country and had an inflated ego but unfortunately it was time for someone to tell us our place in this world. He is an idiot who beleived in socialism as an answer, so is Obama.

277 budvarakbar  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:11:21am

Sorry If anyone has already brought this up --

What does Obambi have with his waffles? - ham, bacon or sausage? Anyone been able to notice.

Has he had chitlins and mustard greens? Any other Soul Food - that is heavy on pork products and shellfish - creole food -- how about a plate of crawfish there Obambi? - you know -- the things some folks are too good to eat?

278 four inch heels  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:27:03am

Great new verb. May I respectfully suggest that just as we change waffle to waffling, arugulaing might be aruguling?

Aruguling is easy to pronounce and recognizable, too.

Of course that leaves the problem of whether to have the infinitive of verb: as to arugule or to arugula. I'd vote for to arugula, again for the parallel with to waffle.

279 dan  Tue, May 20, 2008 10:11:28am

"I mean, when Kennedy met with Khrushchev, we were on the brink of nuclear war. When Nixon met with Mao, that was with the knowledge that Mao had exterminated millions of people. And yet we understood that we could advance our national security interests by at least opening up lines of communication."

Um. Okay. So when we went up against people who could realistically put a serious hurt on us immediately, we sat down and talked. Because they, you know, were real powers and like it or not, they commanded attention. Now Obama wants to extend that same level of legitimacy to a mediocre power like Iran. What next, he'll sit down at the negotiating table personally with every tin pot dictator that asks for a conference on wool exports or aluminum mining?

And as for the whole premise of this whole kerfluffle...what makes Obama think that there aren't lower-level contacts ALREADY between the US and Iran? OF COURSE THERE ARE. Our special forces guys meet their special forces guys in the field all the time, and they aren't always shooting at each other (though sometimes they are). They talk. They gossip. They bitch about their own and each others' governments. Lower-level diplomats meet each other in Brussels or New York or Baghdad or Rome. They float ideas and use each other as sounding boards.

Either Obama is stupid and doesn't know these things, or he honestly believes that we're stupid and can't intuitively understand these things. Either way...he's not my choice for prez.

280 cincinnati_kid37  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:37:47pm

re: #154 unrealizedviewpoint

Here he is on vid.

281 cincinnati_kid37  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:39:11pm

re: #270 Annar

Imam Obama first noticed that their were 57 states sometime after receiving support from ex presidential candidate Heinz-Kerry. That same endorsement got him the right to be waffler in chief. This gives him a pass in the MSM to have as many as 57 contradictory varieties in his positions on any issue without being brought to task.

57 varieties, 57 states. You may have something there.


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