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France Has 'Informal Contact' with Hamas

Mon, May 19, 2008 at 6:15:03 pm PDT

France says it’s had informal contacts with Hamas. Are you surprised?

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1 jcm  5/19/08 6:16:01 pm reply quote

Do we need to wave the white flag or will holding the white flag limply do?
/fwance

2 SpringheelJack  5/19/08 6:16:11 pm reply quote

Why would anybody be surprised at French diplomacy?

3 astronmr20  5/19/08 6:16:52 pm reply quote

The IAF should make informal "contact" with them more often, too.

4 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  5/19/08 6:17:38 pm
5 mikeinmd  5/19/08 6:18:17 pm reply quote

Informal Contact With Hamas .

In France that means they've been selling them weapons for 6 months.

6 buzzsawmonkey  5/19/08 6:18:46 pm reply quote

Is that "informal contact" like the kind a businessman makes with the lady hanging out under the lamp post?

7 WhiteRasta  5/19/08 6:18:58 pm reply quote

Mange moi , zee last!

8 astronmr20  5/19/08 6:19:18 pm reply quote

re: #6 buzzsawmonkey

Is that "informal contact" like the kind a businessman makes with the lady hanging out under the lamp post?

You mean like a John and a Ho?

9 jcm  5/19/08 6:19:54 pm reply quote

Weapons sale.

70,000 rifles, never used, dropped once.

10 buzzsawmonkey  5/19/08 6:20:00 pm reply quote

re: #8 astronmr20

Yup.

11 mikeinmd  5/19/08 6:20:06 pm reply quote

Obama will be thrilled to hear this.

12 WhiteRasta  5/19/08 6:20:20 pm reply quote

re: #5 mikeinmd

I have to disagree with you there.


I think it means we have been selling them weapons for the last 25 years......

13 LoFlyer  5/19/08 6:20:35 pm reply quote

France has informal contacts with Hamass, so does Israel, about three times a day courtesy of 122 MM unguided rockets. Lifes a bitch unless you are French!

14 Occasional Reader  5/19/08 6:20:47 pm reply quote

Say it ain't so, Sarko.

Yes, Carla is hottie, but you have to get out of bed some time and get to work.

15 Zach_the_Lizard  5/19/08 6:21:55 pm reply quote

So France has been sleeping with Hamas? I'm sure France's wife, the local Muslims, will be a little upset. I mean, they can't have any competition when it comes to capitulation.

16 astronmr20  5/19/08 6:22:48 pm reply quote

Ah.. this is just like the informal contact that Bill was given under the Oval office desk.

Nothing to see here.

17 WhiteRasta  5/19/08 6:22:59 pm reply quote

re: #14 Occasional Reader

Nikko will soon be out of the velcro stage ........

18 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  5/19/08 6:23:05 pm
19 Lucius Septimius  5/19/08 6:23:25 pm reply quote

re: #15 Zach_the_Lizard

So France has been sleeping with Hamas?

It's ok, they're just friends -- doesn't really mean anything.

20 WayDownSouthInBama  5/19/08 6:24:14 pm reply quote

France had "informal contact" with Saddam too. They called it oil-for-food. I called it treason. No,Im not surprised.

21 paint-right  5/19/08 6:24:36 pm reply quote

re: #4 song_and_dance_man

Is preemptive surrender in the works?

with no preconditions!

22 Racer X  5/19/08 6:24:39 pm reply quote

re: #18 song_and_dance_man

Haha!

B-HO.

I like it.

23 JammieWearingFool  5/19/08 6:24:45 pm reply quote

How do you say "Let them eat their waffles" in French?

24 WhiteRasta  5/19/08 6:26:47 pm reply quote

re: #23 JammieWearingFool

Guillotine......

25 looking closely  5/19/08 6:27:00 pm reply quote

"Informal" contact could mean all sorts of things.

Israel has "informal" contact with Hamas all the time, right?

McCain said it well. . .Hamas may be terrorists, but they are nominally in charge of Gaza, and we may have to "deal" with them from time to time. ("Deal with" was his exact word usage).

But there is a big difference between occasional back-channel or third party brokered communications over matters of legitimate urgency, and face-to-face negotiations of the kind Obama advocates with Iran.

26 Occasional Reader  5/19/08 6:27:16 pm reply quote

re: #17 WhiteRasta

Nikko will soon be out of the velcro stage ........

Huh?

27 nyc redneck  5/19/08 6:28:05 pm reply quote

ad in a newspaper: FOR SALE french rifle. never fired. dropped once.

28 really grumpy big dog Johnson  5/19/08 6:28:12 pm reply quote

With the particular issues at hand, i.e. unconditional talks with terror states, I think that Sarkozy just figured it's the right time to come clean and admit the truth that we've already known for ages.

The French think they are so forward-looking, but we see what they are doing. No need to hide it. We need to talk to them.

29 LittleRed1  5/19/08 6:28:22 pm reply quote

Oh well, at least they are admitting it at last. Sort of. Ish.

30 BGOH  5/19/08 6:28:36 pm reply quote

Short answer: no.

If it turns out that "informal contact" means that Sarkozy has been bangin' Pali chics: yes and no.

31 jcm  5/19/08 6:28:38 pm reply quote

Does Hamas roar like a tiger and France yelp like a hyena during these informal contacts?

32 brainwizard73  5/19/08 6:28:42 pm reply quote

Prediction:

This is the first step in the Nicholas Sarkozy rope-a-dope.

Hamas might want to watch thier behinds...

33 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  5/19/08 6:29:17 pm
34 TallTexan  5/19/08 6:29:25 pm reply quote

I am sure the French were just getting the catering order right for the day they surrender.

In college I met a man who was in the OSS during WWII who said that if every Frenchman he met after the war who claimed to be in the resistance had been in the resistance, the German would have never made it over the border.

35 x-ray  5/19/08 6:29:38 pm reply quote

France is just preemptively surrendering too their new Muslim Overlords.

36 Killgore Trout  5/19/08 6:29:40 pm reply quote

Informal Contact? When do the conjugal visits start?

37 mitthrawnurdo  5/19/08 6:29:59 pm reply quote

re: #19 Lucius Septimius

Yeppers. They're just "studying together", nothing wrong is going on there, right?!?! France would never sleep with Hamas.

38 looking closely  5/19/08 6:30:27 pm reply quote

IMO, this is the absolute WORST kind of "informal talks with Hamas:

39 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  5/19/08 6:30:47 pm
40 LittleRed1  5/19/08 6:30:51 pm reply quote

Why did the French invent the TGV?
So the French Army can bet the German Army to Paris during the next war.
/HT The MunchkinWrangler's comments page

41 nyc redneck  5/19/08 6:31:16 pm reply quote

how long did it take the nazis to take paris?
three days and that's because it was raining.

42 Killian Bundy  5/19/08 6:31:51 pm reply quote

They must have run out of Saddam money.

/on the payroll

43 WhiteRasta  5/19/08 6:31:51 pm reply quote

re: #26 Occasional Reader

Never been in the velcro stage with a new lover?

Nikko will have to wake up and get his ass back to work.

Although the concept of "Work"is foreign to a Frenchman....

44 mitthrawnurdo  5/19/08 6:31:52 pm reply quote

re: #39 song_and_dance_man

lol, good one!

/although didn't the Israelis use old Mirages to great advantage during the 6-Day War?

45 really grumpy big dog Johnson  5/19/08 6:31:53 pm reply quote

Bush, against his better instincts, signed the SOR suspension bill.

I can dig it. Doesn't mean I like it. It's like swatting a bumblebee with a feather.

46 Lucius Septimius  5/19/08 6:32:24 pm reply quote

re: #37 mitthrawnurdo

Yeppers. They're just "studying together", nothing wrong is going on there, right?!?! France would never sleep with Hamas.

No. A little bukkake, perhaps, but nothing serious.

47 HelloDare  5/19/08 6:32:34 pm reply quote

re: #38 looking closely

I managed to stay pretty calm today until I saw that picture again.

48 ted  5/19/08 6:32:49 pm reply quote

" I didn't have sex with that woman"

William J. Clinton

49 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  5/19/08 6:33:00 pm
50 really grumpy big dog Johnson  5/19/08 6:33:01 pm reply quote

re: #31 jcm

Does Hamas roar like a tiger and France yelp like a hyena during these

51 mitthrawnurdo  5/19/08 6:33:06 pm reply quote

re: #46 Lucius Septimius

Alcohol can do that.

52 NGrove  5/19/08 6:33:53 pm reply quote

I tend to think of "informal contact" with Hamas as involving explosives.

53 Yankee Division Son  5/19/08 6:33:58 pm reply quote
"..to inform us about the situation"... "...just to inform ourselves..."

Inform ourselves of WHAT?, one wonders.. what Hamas proclaims France can or cannot do?!

54 WhiteRasta  5/19/08 6:34:00 pm reply quote

re: #41 nyc redneck

Why do the French plant trees on the Champs Elyse?

Because the German Army likes to march in the shade....

55 Sarge1984  5/19/08 6:34:16 pm reply quote

Okay, in the spirit of some of the comments, Blackfive's Encounter with a French General.

56 Shiplord Kirel  5/19/08 6:34:20 pm reply quote

I am an advocate of informal contact with Hamas. What could be less formal than a MOAB crashing through the roof of their headquarters? It would be positively rude, it would.

57 nyc redneck  5/19/08 6:34:29 pm reply quote

we shouldn't look to europe for anything but a laugh. (and a sigh)

58 looking closely  5/19/08 6:34:34 pm reply quote

re: #47 HelloDare

I managed to stay pretty calm today until I saw that picture again.


Good thing I didn't post this one instead.

Carter is a fool.

Legitimizing Hamas by meeting with them doesn't just hurt Israel, it hurts all the Palestinians.

59 LoFlyer  5/19/08 6:35:10 pm reply quote

Can anyone imagine the outcry from the UN, ME, WE, and the US if Israel started launching three unguided missiles a day at Gaza or Lebanon? The sh-t would truly hit the fan. This double standard is beyond comprehension. Israel does everything possible to limit casualties and Hamas keeps using human shields to up the casualties and our fracking media suppresses reports on the policy of human shields to inflict maximum civilian casualties for propaganda. This is insane....

60 Lucius Septimius  5/19/08 6:35:14 pm reply quote

re: #51 mitthrawnurdo

Alcohol can do that.

Yep -- cause of and solution to all life's problems.

61 WhiteRasta  5/19/08 6:36:08 pm reply quote

What's the first thing they teach you when you join the French Arny?

How to say, "I surrender." In German...

62 Lucius Septimius  5/19/08 6:36:18 pm reply quote

re: #58 looking closely

Good thing I didn't post this one instead.

Love the body language in that picture -- Assad is looking like "whoah! This dude is starting to creep me out!"

63 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  5/19/08 6:37:07 pm
64 BGOH  5/19/08 6:37:19 pm reply quote

re: #56 Shiplord Kirel

I am an advocate of informal contact with Hamas. What could be less formal than a MOAB crashing through the roof of their headquarters? It would be positively rude, it would.

A Daisy Cutter or two is pretty "informal," as well.

/bad taste, but I couldn't resist...

65 Lucius Septimius  5/19/08 6:37:34 pm reply quote

re: #61 WhiteRasta

What's the first thing they teach you when you join the French Arny?

How to say, "I surrender." In German...

And the intepreters always tell them "Ich bin eine Schwulli!"

66 WayDownSouthInBama  5/19/08 6:38:05 pm reply quote

The toxic fumes from all of the burning automobiles left behind by the last bunch France tried to appease should be enough to remind their leaders of what happens when terrorists tire of "informal contacts" and decide the mouse has been played with long enough....and now it's time for dinner.

67 Shiplord Kirel  5/19/08 6:38:24 pm reply quote

re: #59 LoFlyer

Can anyone imagine the outcry from the UN, ME, WE, and the US if Israel started launching three unguided missiles a day at Gaza or Lebanon? The sh-t would truly hit the fan. This double standard is beyond comprehension. Israel does everything possible to limit casualties and Hamas keeps using human shields to up the casualties and our fracking media suppresses reports on the policy of human shields to inflict maximum civilian casualties for propaganda. This is insane....

Imagine what would happen if the Mexican army starting lobbing rockets into El Paso. There wouldn't be two boards left nailed together in Ciudad Juarez 48 hours later. Yet we blithely demand that Israel endure similar provocation from a terrorist gang (Mexico is at least a legitimately constituted country.)

68 opnion  5/19/08 6:38:24 pm reply quote

Obama is actually worse.He is talking about unconditional direct contact with the President of the U.S.
No pass for the French, but Obama is out frenching the French.

69 jcm  5/19/08 6:38:33 pm reply quote

re: #58 looking closely

Good thing I didn't post this one instead.

Carter is a fool.

Legitimizing Hamas by meeting with them doesn't just hurt Israel, it hurts all the Palestinians.

[deleted]

*any comments on Rabbit Bait would be ban worthy*

Deep breath.
Find your happy place.
Deep breath.

70 LittleRed1  5/19/08 6:38:35 pm reply quote

Re. # 65. That's mean. Funny, but mean

71 mattm  5/19/08 6:39:09 pm reply quote

If France will attempt to work with Hamas, that means the US must. As president i will do whatever it takes to make Hamas happy.

/B. Hussein Obama off

72 Lucius Septimius  5/19/08 6:39:18 pm reply quote

re: #70 LittleRed1

Re. # 65. That's mean. Funny, but mean

I know -- it's the image of the German response when the surrending Frenchmen say that that completes the picture.

73 HelloDare  5/19/08 6:39:25 pm reply quote

re: #48 ted

" I didn't have sex with that woman"

William J. Clinton

Please quote the scumbag correctly. He used what he considered was a weasel word . "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky." Conservatives always misrepresent liberals.
/sarc

74 LittleRed1  5/19/08 6:39:45 pm reply quote

Re. 72. Agreed!

75 nyc redneck  5/19/08 6:39:55 pm reply quote

re: #61 WhiteRasta

What's the first thing they teach you when you join the French Arny?

How to say, "I surrender." In German...

ich bin ein franzosische arschloch.

76 really grumpy big dog Johnson  5/19/08 6:40:33 pm reply quote

re: #59 LoFlyer

Can anyone imagine the outcry from the UN, ME, WE, and the US if Israel started launching three unguided missiles a day at Gaza or Lebanon? The sh-t would truly hit the fan. This double standard is beyond comprehension. Israel does everything possible to limit casualties and Hamas keeps using human shields to up the casualties and our fracking media suppresses reports on the policy of human shields to inflict maximum civilian casualties for propaganda. This is insane....

There's no such thing as a single fatality in a targeted Israeli strike. If you want to get rich in paliform land, you rent your reusable caskets by the hour.

77 Lucius Septimius  5/19/08 6:41:05 pm reply quote

re: #75 nyc redneck

ich bin ein franzosische arschloch.

"Und meine Mutter ist eine zwei Groschen Dirne"

78 looking closely  5/19/08 6:41:36 pm reply quote

re: #68 opnion

Obama is actually worse.He is talking about unconditional direct contact with the President of the U.S.
No pass for the French, but Obama is out frenching the French.

In fairness to Obama he DID say that he wouldn't meet with HAMAS.

The problem is Obama seems idiotically unaware (and I don't use the term lightly) that Hamas, Syria, Hizb'Allah, and Iran are more or less different sides of the same square, and he DOES want to have "face time" with the respective thugs from Iran and Syria.

79 NGrove  5/19/08 6:41:58 pm reply quote

re: #55 Sarge1984

Okay, in the spirit of some of the comments, Blackfive's Encounter with a French General.

Hey Sarge, What's new? BTW That one's always been a favorite of mine.

80 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  5/19/08 6:42:36 pm
81 LittleRed1  5/19/08 6:42:37 pm reply quote

Bitte, bitte! Vielleicht lesen die Monitorlizards Deutsch.
Oder vielleicht nicht.

83 Yankee Division Son  5/19/08 6:43:06 pm reply quote

I wonder if "contract" is new speak for "non-aggression pact".

84 slokat  5/19/08 6:43:20 pm reply quote

If I were to ever find myself in a compromising position I will now know to use the "Informal Contact" defense...

85 Sarge1984  5/19/08 6:44:11 pm reply quote

re: #79 NGrove

Good to see you back, NGrove!

That's been one of my faves since you turned me on to milblogs last year! Thanks!

86 nyc redneck  5/19/08 6:44:37 pm reply quote

re: #77 Lucius Septimius

"Und meine Mutter ist eine zwei Groschen Dirne"

und mein vati ist ein besofener huhnerkopf.

87 gman  5/19/08 6:44:48 pm reply quote

re: #20 WayDownSouthInBama

France had "informal contact" with Saddam too. They called it oil-for-food. I called it treason. No,Im not surprised.

not to mention giving Saddam regular reports on private meetings between American and French diplomats.

88 Ma Sands  5/19/08 6:44:48 pm reply quote

(OT: Oh, dear.....there's a petition to get the one good reporter on Islam at the Star/Trib, Katherine Kersten, fired..... ):

89 LoFlyer  5/19/08 6:45:50 pm reply quote

re: #67 Shiplord Kirel

Imagine what would happen if the Mexican army starting lobbing rockets into El Paso. There wouldn't be two boards left nailed together in Ciudad Juarez 48 hours later. Yet we blithely demand that Israel endure similar provocation from a terrorist gang (Mexico is at least a legitimately constituted country.)

Agreed! Rice and the State departments insistence that Israel "turn the other cheek" after her civilians are massacred is BS and they (Rice and the State dept.) should be "burned" by Americans citizens for their sympathetic overtures to terrorists..

90 Grammy Cracker  5/19/08 6:46:25 pm reply quote

re: #81 LittleRed1

Bitte, bitte! Vielleicht lesen die Monitorlizards Deutsch.
Oder vielleicht nicht.

Guten tag! Danke!

This covers the gamut of my knowledge of the German language, learned while visiting there. Thankfully, they are a kind people and those two phrases were sufficient to endear me to the locals...

91 NGrove  5/19/08 6:46:50 pm reply quote

re: #85 Sarge1984

De Nada. Yes, we are back (sigh). So not ready to put out fires at work tomorrow but five days without phone, tv, internet or newspapers was very relaxing. Nice beach and big bay didn't hurt either!

92 gman  5/19/08 6:46:53 pm reply quote

Ich spreche ein bisschen deutsch.
ein bier bitte!

93 cavallino_rampante  5/19/08 6:48:53 pm reply quote

Surrender monkeys, fly!

94 nyc redneck  5/19/08 6:49:01 pm reply quote

re: #92 gman

Ich spreche ein bisschen deutsch.
ein bier bitte!

er wird bestimmt besser als man trinkt.
so i know what you're talking abt.

95 LittleRed1  5/19/08 6:49:15 pm reply quote

War bei Universitaet in Deutschland. Studierte Militaergeschichte.
/Trans. I went to university in Germany for a while and studied military history as well as languages.

96 buddyg  5/19/08 6:49:47 pm reply quote

German for wrench:
Guten Tight

97 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  5/19/08 6:49:59 pm
98 nyc redneck  5/19/08 6:50:46 pm reply quote

re: #95 LittleRed1

War bei Universitaet in Deutschland. Studierte Militaergeschichte.
/Trans. I went to university in Germany for a while and studied military history as well as languages.

wunderschon (es tut mir leid, ich habe kein umlaut for over the o)

99 LittleRed1  5/19/08 6:51:49 pm reply quote

Haven't figured out umlauts on the Web yet, either. I use the ae, ue, oe as replacements.

100 Grammy Cracker  5/19/08 6:52:10 pm reply quote

re: #96 buddyg

German for wrench:
Guten Tight

Doesn't Billy Mays do the commercials for that?

...But WAIT...order in the next 15 minutes, and we'll double your order! Get 2 Guten Tights for the low, low price of $19.95 (plus shipping and handling)...

LOL

101 joecitizen  5/19/08 6:53:20 pm reply quote

re: #97 song_and_dance_manhey song..curious about your comment #307 in the Monday open thread..were you referencing THIS joecitizen and if so,what's the context? thnks in advance.Your pal,joe

102 Lucius Septimius  5/19/08 6:53:28 pm reply quote

re: #99 LittleRed1

Haven't figured out umlauts on the Web yet, either. I use the ae, ue, oe as replacements.

Look down at the bottom of the comment box for the "how to enter special characters" instructions.

103 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  5/19/08 6:53:37 pm
104 Lucius Septimius  5/19/08 6:54:11 pm reply quote

re: #103 song_and_dance_man

Here

that too ...

105 buddyg  5/19/08 6:54:28 pm reply quote

Hotel in Leverkusen. Ja !

106 really grumpy big dog Johnson  5/19/08 6:54:37 pm reply quote

re: #94 nyc redneck

er wird bestimmt besser als man trinkt.
so i know what you're talking abt.

This is an American political blog. If you want to converse in a foreign language, hit the chatroom. You can even start a subchat for those who also want to converse in a foreign language.

See how easy that is?

107 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  5/19/08 6:55:10 pm
108 Grammy Cracker  5/19/08 6:55:13 pm reply quote

re: #99 LittleRed1

Haven't figured out umlauts on the Web yet, either. I use the ae, ue, oe as replacements.

Try clicking on Charles' *special characters* link at the bottom of the comment window. There is a chart for all European language characters there....

109 Lucius Septimius  5/19/08 6:55:59 pm reply quote

Time to feed the baby and get him off to slumberland. Night all!

110 LittleRed1  5/19/08 6:56:04 pm reply quote

Re. #102, 103. Vielen Dank. (Many thanks.)
And, alas, back to work. Good night, fellow lizards!

111 Roentgen  5/19/08 6:56:28 pm reply quote

re: #103 song_and_dance_man

112 buddyg  5/19/08 6:56:37 pm reply quote

Ü

113 Grammy Cracker  5/19/08 6:56:44 pm reply quote

re: #109 Lucius Septimius

Time to feed the baby and get him off to slumberland. Night all!

Awww...that's what Grandpa Cracker calls it, too....

LOL

114 Alouette  5/19/08 6:57:02 pm reply quote

Letzte November haben wir eine paar Stunden in Frankfurt geblieben. Als wir den koscheren Restaurant besuchten, hat der Eigentumer verlangt, das wir nur Englisch oder Hebraisch sprechen!

Da ware ein Messerangriff vor zwei Wochen in der Synagogue.

115 really grumpy big dog Johnson  5/19/08 6:57:41 pm reply quote

re: #108 Grammy Cracker

Try clicking on Charles' *special characters* link at the bottom of the comment window. There is a chart for all European language characters there....

Grammy, not to worry. American English still consists of twenty-six simple characters of the alphabet.

If you wan't to know who's already preparing to lay down and die, count the accents, umlauts etc. in their posts. You'll get the bigger picture.

116 Roentgen  5/19/08 6:57:44 pm reply quote

re: #111 Roentgen

Yeah, "oe" works.

Does this mean I have to change my username?

117 joecitizen  5/19/08 6:58:15 pm reply quote

re: #107 song_and_dance_man

It was the Joe Citizen who posted that atrocious picture in the KOSlam diaries on that thread.

ok,thanks..I didn't see it (nor did I post it!)..just to clarify,was that posted on here by ANOTHER joe or on kos? a site I have thankfully never felt the urge to post at..just curious

118 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  5/19/08 6:58:28 pm
119 Grammy Cracker  5/19/08 6:58:43 pm reply quote

re: #115 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Grammy, not to worry. American English still consists of twenty-six simple characters of the alphabet.

If you wan't to know who's already preparing to lay down and die, count the accents, umlauts etc. in their posts. You'll get the bigger picture.

Oui?!

120 really grumpy big dog Johnson  5/19/08 6:59:03 pm reply quote

re: #114 Alouette

Letzte November haben wir eine paar Stunden in Frankfurt geblieben. Als wir den koscheren Restaurant besuchten, hat der Eigentumer verlangt, das wir nur Englisch oder Hebraisch sprechen!

Da ware ein Messerangriff vor zwei Wochen in der Synagogue.

This is an American blog, not a foreign language class. You earned a down ding for that one.

121 really grumpy big dog Johnson  5/19/08 6:59:29 pm reply quote

re: #119 Grammy Cracker

Oui?!

Exactly!

122 BignJames  5/19/08 6:59:31 pm reply quote

re: #116 Roentgen

I think there's already an X-ray.

123 LoFlyer  5/19/08 6:59:35 pm reply quote

Night guys! Got chores to do!

124 Alouette  5/19/08 6:59:41 pm