XP = Extra Problems?

Upgrade=CHANGE!

No troubles with XP SP3 or Vista SP1 on my machines.

What the heck happened to Microsoft?

Guess I'll start this off...

I own a Dell, and I'm okay with it.

;)

re: #1 guzziguy

XP = Extra Problems?

EXperience the Pain.

If an upgrade isn't an improvement, it shouldn't be called an upgrade.

re: #4 Cognito

What the heck happened to Microsoft?

Never let the engineers read the press releases.

Downloaded and installed service pack 3 about ten days ago... no problems to report so far.

This won't be the most popular thread today. Too many painful memories, dating back quite a few years.

From the family of operating systems featuring

CE ME NT

and
...

Vista

Did they find a workaround for the spontaneous rebooting problem?

re: #12 NotThatGordo

From the family of operating systems featuring

CE ME NT

and
...

Vista

Don't forget.....
BOB

re: #13 joncelli

Did they find a workaround for the spontaneous rebooting problem?

Buy a Mac.

*ducks and runs*

Microsoft could F up a wet dream. Sorry.

it's no surprise that they can't get an OS correct that's been in development and the market for over 10 years.

This means that inevitably, someone at at least one of the 37 locations I manage will have downloaded service pack 3, killing the productivity of the rest of my job and subsequent week that's not even supposed to include I.T. work.

re: #14 jcm

The really funny thing is that Gates' wife was associated with the Bob project -- that's how they met.

re: #15 jcm

Heh. I already have one! But I run XP SP2 under VMWare Fusion.

re: #14 jcm

Don't forget.....
BOB

What? : )

How else will Balmer and Gates get folks to move to Vista?

re: #19 joncelli

Same here. As long as we are on the topic of XP, the best machine to run it in my experience, seems to be a Mac. Vista, too.

Of course a mac with OSX blows it away in efficiency and stability... hands down.

I installed the other fixes, but I tried SP3 on a sacrificial system. It was slow to begin with, but seems even slower.
I'll get back to the system to see if it is usable, or back out SP3 or just wipe and reinstall.
Meanwhile, the other 4 Windows machines at home are not getting SP3. (One is XP on a Mac under Parallels)

re: #22 karmic_inquisitor

How else will Balmer and Gates get folks to move to Vista?

LOL

That's it! Make XP worse than Vista, and people will finally switch. Brilliant!

(and they'll still charge for tech support... from India)

re: #21 savage_nation

Really:

Melinda French Gates (born Melinda Ann French on August 15, 1964)[1] is a former unit manager for several Microsoft products: Publisher, Microsoft Bob, Encarta, and Expedia. In 1994, she married Bill Gates, founder, chairman, and former chief software architect of Microsoft.

Good Evening all! It's currently raining in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

My laptop is still sitting. I don't know what I am waiting for. I just wish the Microsoft/Acer Genie would show-up and fix it. Wish I hadn't just bought it. Guess, I'll have to pay for it's repair and start saving for a Macbook.

How are you-all this evening?

re: #28 ggt

Running two macbooks. You won't regret it (:

re: #4 Cognito

What the heck happened to Microsoft?

Like IBM in the 1980s. Big-n-bloated.

Charles, you have to realize, you can't just upgrade as much as you want, and then just expect that other countries are going to say "okay".

re: #19 joncelli

Heh. I already have one! But I run XP SP2 under VMWare Fusion.

I run Vista on Bootcamp. I've got a MacBook Pro Core Duo which only supports 2GB Ram, trying to run both on 2GB with Parallels or VMWare ain't happening.

I've had OSX, Vista and Ubuntu all running at the same time... but not useable.

re: #28 ggt

Good Evening all! It's currently raining in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

My laptop is still sitting. I don't know what I am waiting for. I just wish the Microsoft/Acer Genie would show-up and fix it. Wish I hadn't just bought it. Guess, I'll have to pay for it's repair and start saving for a Macbook.

How are you-all this evening?

Cubs up 7-2 in the top of the ninth! Aramis Ramirez just hit a 2 run dinger.

re: #28 ggt

Good Evening all! It's currently raining in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

My laptop is still sitting. I don't know what I am waiting for. I just wish the Microsoft/Acer Genie would show-up and fix it. Wish I hadn't just bought it. Guess, I'll have to pay for it's repair and start saving for a Macbook.

How are you-all this evening?

Were you able to score any of those Oreos that spilled out of that tractor trailer rig that overturned today on I80?

I sit too early to go OT? Where I am it is after 9pm.

While watching the season finale of House, I notice a Obama endorsement. One of the characters was sitting in a bathroom stall leaning to the left of the screen. On the wall behind her, to the right and slanting upwards was a bumper sticker that said VOTE FOR CHANGE 08 --and the rest of it the bumper sticker dissappeared into the next stall.

re: #30 BuddyG

Like IBM in the 1980s. Big-n-bloated.

That also perfectly describes Algore these days.

re: #34 Intrepid

No, unfortunately. I've been hibernating, sharing the family PC, and generally feeling cut-off from the world. I didn't hear about it.

re: #33 Bob in Breckenridge

That I do know about--while the rest of the family is not using the family PC, they are watching baseball on TV.

re: #37 ggt

No, unfortunately. I've been hibernating, sharing the family PC, and generally feeling cut-off from the world. I didn't hear about it.

Plus they were double-stuffed Oreos!

I have Vista with 2 gig RAM....I'm a happy camper.

re: #38 ggt

That I do know about--while the rest of the family is not using the family PC, they are watching baseball on TV.

Fortunately, the game is on ESPN here, and tomorrow night's game is on WGN, so I'll be able to watch it also.

re: #40 DesertSage

I have Vista with 2 gig RAM....I'm a happy camper.

Minimum for Vista.
The other thing that kills Vista is not having a big enough graphics card.

No problems for me, 3 machines with TinyXP Rev 08 (with SP3) running beautifully. My poor iMac? Still unbootbale. No way to repair the lovely journaling filesystem.

re: #3 jcm

It has gone from a 10K person company to a 70K person company and have not scaled well (the curse of middle management, politcal correctness, a huge weight of backward compatability and a shotgun approach to prioritization). They want to be all things to all people.

Bill should have taken my advice and split MS into 5-8 companies when the FTC started talking monopoly...

re: #31 Occasional Reader

Charles, you have to realize, you can't just upgrade as much as you want, and then just expect that other countries are going to say "okay".

Frankly my laptop is being a little cranky lately. At first I thought it my be my fault -- a few months ago I spilled some Coke into the keyboard -- but it has become clear to me now that my unhappiness is due to Charles's continual and indifferent improvement of his machine.

Imperialist upgrader.

re: #40 DesertSage

I have Vista with 2 gig RAM....I'm a happy camper.

Sorry.. I prefer operating systems that don't require much ram to run. I like applications... this things that computers were invented for (:

re: #13 joncelli

Did they find a workaround for the spontaneous rebooting problem?

Ubuntu.

If you notice at the end of the article it says the problem is on some HP computers. I'm not surprised. Whenever a client calls me and tells me they are having problems with updating their computer (hardware or software) and I find out it's an HP or Compaq I know it's going to cost them a lot more to have me work on it because HP systems are non-standard for hardware and they have some really goofy proprietary OS extensions that makes it almost impossible to upgrade or port onto another system.

I really don't like HP computers!

Red Sox pitcher Jon Lester threw a no hitter tonight. He's the guy who had cancer a few years ago.

I've heard nothing but SP3 is a nightmare.

/for a huge software company, I'm not quite sure what Microsoft is trying to accomplish with this obvious downgrade

re: #22 karmic_inquisitor

How else will Balmer and Gates get folks to move to Vista?

Agreed.

re: #37 ggt

No, unfortunately. I've been hibernating, sharing the family PC, and generally feeling cut-off from the world. I didn't hear about it.

Here ya go - [Link: cbs2chicago.com...]

I'm breaking all the rules tonite.

I just posted this in the linkys. Michael Moore rips-off Michael Yon.

Got to bid you all good night, lizards. Take care.

re: #52 Intrepid

Thanks!

re: #53 ggt

That sounds like it was in my neck of the woods. Wonder how many geese got cookies?

re: #35 ggt

I sit too early to go OT? Where I am it is after 9pm.

While watching the season finale of House, I notice a Obama endorsement. One of the characters was sitting in a bathroom stall leaning to the left of the screen. On the wall behind her, to the right and slanting upwards was a bumper sticker that said VOTE FOR CHANGE 08 --and the rest of it the bumper sticker dissappeared into the next stall.

Yeah, well House would be all about Democrats. It features a Mediacl Doctor who doesn't like people and writes himself prescriptions for the narcotic of his choice.
Sounds like the Democrat health care plan to me.

re: #57 haakondahl

LOL!

re: #28 ggt

Enjoy it! We "broke the ice on the Santa Cruz" today here in Tucson--went over 100°.

Microsoft has offered to buy this thread....

re: #59 song_and_dance_man

It's my fault, I apologize.

re: #53 ggt

I'm breaking all the rules tonite.

I just posted this in the linkys. Michael Moore rips-off Michael Yon.

Excellent I emailed Yon's copyright contact last week and got a response thanking me.

Good work all who brought it to Yon's attention.

Go suck eggs Moore.

re: #54 goddessoftheclassroom

Got to bid you all good night, lizards. Take care.

Weet dreams!

Congrats Detroit RedWings. Beat Stars 4-1 to win the Western Conf and advance. Painful for Dallas fans to watch.

re: #60 Sarge1984

Enjoy it! We "broke the ice on the Santa Cruz" today here in Tucson--went over 100°.

I think we are both past the ice stage and right into boiling

Microsoft could not be immediately reached for comment on Monday.

/you'd think they'd at least test their major releases, it's telling that SP3 isn't an automatic update

re: #65 song_and_dance_man

Momma's diggin' it; I could deal with 80's-90's a little longer...

re: #68 Killian Bundy

/you'd think they'd at least test their major releases, it's telling that SP3 isn't an automatic update

Actually, they wanted to respond, but their phone system runs on Vista and XP SP3 and it kept crashing.....

re: #67 Desert Dog

You folks hit it last week in Phoenix, didn't you?

I installed XP SP3 on this machine last week.

For about an hour. Then i had to rip it out, put a stake through its heart, and bury it at the crossroads to get my machine working properly again.

I'm sure it will annoy some people, but I've been running a laptop with 2 gigs ram, vista, and a bottom of the line pre-installed video card and haven't had any problems to speak of. I've been able to run every program I wanted except for having an inferior video card. Vista has been much better than I expected.

re: #48 Frank Veracity

Well,I've had an HP Pavillion for about a year and a half with XP and just installed the SP3 about a week ago....I may not be typical but I have yet to have any problems with my HP or any applications or programs I run on it....

re: #70 song_and_dance_man

hmmmm--drunks on banjos . . .
?

Actually, I think that might be a fun thread.

How many drunks on banjos does it take . . .

re: #70 song_and_dance_man

Apologize? Talking about Microsoft is equal to talking about drunks on banjos.

Woo-hoo! Drunks on banjos!

You'll get my copy of Win XP Pro (SP2) when you pry it from my cold, dead hand!

/cling!

re: #72 Sarge1984

It was 100 something a few times last week....almost 110 today....but, this is the "nice" heat....I can take this stuff...when the humidity creeps in and the "low" is 90 something, that is when it starts getting old.....

108° in El Mirage this weekend.

You know what they say...

The day Microsoft makes a product that doesn't suck is the day they start selling vacuum cleaners.

re: #77 Sarge1984

Oh, that is awful!

If Windows XP Pro with Service Pack 2 is working well for you, you may want to think twice before doing the SP3 “upgrade:” Users Report More Trouble With Windows XP SP3.

This will be the upgrade that srews your pc, so that you *have* to get vista, because that particular evil (read: selfish...brazenly trying to monopolize you where they can)empire doesn't want to deal with paying for support anymore...eventuallly, they'll *hide* the upgrade/service pack/code library...forcing you to go to some off-brand website, sign up and get 5 downloads free kinda site...in seven years, your perfectly fine audio hardware on that laptop will become a bitch to get the driver for....

...and hackers keep IT guys supporting their eating habit...

Did I mention I am sick of computers? They're so damn compelling too...

8)

Don't do the update 'till they fix the update, let someone else be the lab rat.

re: #79 Desert Dog

re: #80 DesertSage

Hopefully, monsoon season will come a little early this year, too.

re: #82 ggt

It's the price you pay for maybe 5 days with frost all year. And just a dusting of snow that doesn't really stick maybe once a year. We'll talk smack during the winter, but pay for it in the summer!

Just went to Windows update.

/SP3 not offered, hmm . . .

re: #76 ggt

Paddle faster! I hear banjos!

re: #85 Sarge1984

I don't mind the rain, it helps keep the pollen down. But then, it causes the mold to grow. It's been like "Dorothy in the Poppy Fields" here the last few days. Everyone is sooooo sleepy.

So the options are you can be sleepy with allergy symtoms or take an antihistime and just be sleepy from the antihistime. Unless you can tolerate one of those new fangled non-drowsy antihistime, which I can't.

Desert Dog, Desert Sage and other desert denizens,

I drove from Flagstaff to Carefree around noon, today, and watched the temp guage in my car go from 82 to 110.

Now I'm ready to leave.

Love the Hayseed Dixie!

Why did they name the town Carefree?

There's a joke in there.

re: #86 song_and_dance_man

I don't know...haven't seen a cover of Psycho Killer by Hayseed Dixie yet...but I bet it would be great fun!

re: #66 snowcrash

Congrats Detroit RedWings. Beat Stars 4-1 to win the Western Conf and advance. Painful for Dallas fans to watch.

For non-Dallas fans too, Go Pens!

re: #90 hermeneutics

Desert Dog, Desert Sage and other desert denizens,

I drove from Flagstaff to Carefree around noon, today, and watched the temp guage in my car go from 82 to 110.

Now I'm ready to leave.

Stick around for the real heat!

re: #92 ggt

Carefree is a retiree heaven -- with that much money, they're all carefree.

re: #90 hermeneutics

Yeah, but it snowed in Flagstaff this month...

re: #96 hermeneutics

ah.

I was thinking it was so hot, everyone there was a nudist.

re: #95 Desert Dog

No way -- Going to Angel Fire NM tomorrow.

re: #98 ggt

Oh ... my eyes! Yuck.

re: #98 ggt

Nudist retirement community...thanks for the visual, ggt.

I just hope this doesn't turn into a boob thread on that comment...

UK version of I'm a Mac re: #87 Killian Bundy

Just went to Windows update.

/SP3 not offered, hmm . . .

Start here. Download the image, burn to disk and install, seems to give better results.

re: #97 Sarge1984

Sarge, it snowed in Flagstaff less than a week ago. Stunningly beautiful, really. I rode my bike in the snow for the first time.

re: #101 Sarge1984

re: #100 hermeneutics

sorry, sorry, sorry.

I could start talking Microsoft. . .

Great! I just got my poor Dell, running XP Pro with SP2, restored to health and now THIS....

/pssssst..... don't tell anyone, but....I went to the Apple store last week to buy a protective case for my new Nano (!) and I drooled all over the new MacBook Air. Oh, Baby! Hummmm.....

Oh, mama' I can hear you a'cryin'.

re: #102 jcm

re: #104 ggt

I'd rather talk politics.

So ... did you see the crowds that came to worship the obamessiah in Oregon? Scary. I'm comforted by the fact(?) that Obama attracted 30,000+ people in Pennsylvania ... and then went on to an electoral loss.

What is with Oregon?

re: #105 song_and_dance_man

I love the desert. So far my favorites are Anza-Borrego Desert State Park in spring, the Mojave Scenic area, Joshua Tree, Death Valley, RedRock and Canyonlands.

Redrock CA or Redrock NV?

re: #105 song_and_dance_man

Add Sedona to your "must see" list. Bring camera.

re: #109 hermeneutics

I'd rather talk politics.

So ... did you see the crowds that came to worship the obamessiah in Oregon? Scary. I'm comforted by the fact(?) that Obama attracted 30,000+ people in Pennsylvania ... and then went on to an electoral loss.

What is with Oregon?

Too much ganja bro! That is my theory, at least....

re: #43 morganm

No problems for me, 3 machines with TinyXP Rev 08 (with SP3) running beautifully. My poor iMac? Still unbootbale. No way to repair the lovely journaling filesystem.

This is the first I've heard of TinyXP. Is that a stripped down OS [like Damn Small Linux or Puppy Linux] and what's it come with? Any browser or media players?

re: #80 DesertSage

108° in El Mirage this weekend.

Getting down in the mid-30's here tonight.

re: #105 song_and_dance_man

I love the desert. So far my favorites are Anza-Borrego Desert State Park in spring, the Mojave Scenic area, Joshua Tree, Death Valley, RedRock and Canyonlands.

If God was gonna give the world an enema he'd stick it right in McGregor Range / Ft. Bliss......

Grandpa Cracker informs me that it is now time for bed. Okie Dokie! Bye-bye now!

Have a GREAT night, Lizards!

One of the problems is with AMD CPUs and the MS SP3 doing something that AMD doesn't need. The other issue is that before you do the SP3 upgrade, make a backup of your drive. DriveImage XML is a great little package for doing just that. Oh, and did I mention that it is free? I've got a Dell, installed SP3 and lost some parameters that allowed me to run some Siemens software (work) and some other specialized software. Reinstall the backup and all is well. Won't be attempting that any time soon.

re: #118 Grammy Cracker

Good night and sweet dreams