-♻RetweetBreaking: Ted Kennedy Diagnosed with Brain Tumor
Tue, May 20, 2008 at 10:23:13 am PDT
The cause of Senator Ted Kennedy’s seizure has been announced: a malignant tumor in the left parietal lobe of his brain.
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Tue, May 20, 2008 at 10:23:13 am PDT
The cause of Senator Ted Kennedy’s seizure has been announced: a malignant tumor in the left parietal lobe of his brain.
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itellu3times Tue, May 20, 2008 10:23:57am |
No linkage?
I can't find any article, just messages here.
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Shug Tue, May 20, 2008 10:24:07am |
Well I wish him the best. If a cure is not possible, then as many quality months with his family as are possible.
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Dianna Tue, May 20, 2008 10:24:26am |
Poor man. I hope there's a treatment.
If not, may he reach peace.
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itellu3times Tue, May 20, 2008 10:24:33am |
Headlines on news sites, not yet on Drudge.
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Israel4ever Tue, May 20, 2008 10:24:40am |
wth? Is this a joke? (Sorry! I haven't been watching the news the last couple of days!)
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 20, 2008 10:25:08am |
re: #6 Israel4ever
wth? Is this a joke? (Sorry! I haven't been watching the news the last couple of days!)
Appears to be true.
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Israel4ever Tue, May 20, 2008 10:25:34am |
oh i see. I almost couldn't believe this. yikes
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itellu3times Tue, May 20, 2008 10:25:39am |
re: #6 Israel4ever
wth? Is this a joke? (Sorry! I haven't been watching the news the last couple of days!)
He had seizures, not a stroke, and now this diagnosis, which sounds very, very serious, according to postings here.
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CIA Reject Tue, May 20, 2008 10:25:46am |
I disagree with Senator Kennedy's politics, but he is a fellow American and a fellow human being so I sincerely pray for his recovery and wish his family well.
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Tue, May 20, 2008 10:25:51am |
Damage to the left parietal lobe can result in what is called "Gerstmann's Syndrome." It includes right-left confusion, difficulty with writing (agraphia) and difficulty with mathematics (acalculia). It can also produce disorders of language (aphasia) and the inability to perceive objects normally (agnosia).
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MandyManners Tue, May 20, 2008 10:25:51am |
re: #6 Israel4ever
The front page has a thread about it.
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kayatribe Tue, May 20, 2008 10:26:14am |
frack. this news makes my rainy seattle day that much more grey. here's wishing the senator much strength for what he faces.
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jcm Tue, May 20, 2008 10:27:02am |
Prayers for the Ted and Kennedy family. Much strength and peace for them in the coming days.
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soccerdad Tue, May 20, 2008 10:27:20am |
re: #2 Shug
Well I wish him the best. If a cure is not possible, then as many quality months with his family as are possible.
What she said.
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Silhouette Tue, May 20, 2008 10:27:36am |
May he enjoy the blessings of God, the comfort of his family, and the services of the finest medical treatment.
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Fellay Timi Tue, May 20, 2008 10:27:43am |
Not my favourite politician, but I wish him all the best, hope he gets better soon.
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jcm Tue, May 20, 2008 10:27:50am |
re: #18 kayatribe
frack. this news makes my rainy seattle day that much more grey. here's wishing the senator much strength for what he faces.
I hoped you enjoyed our summer last weekend.
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Shug Tue, May 20, 2008 10:27:54am |
I need a new nickname.
Everybody thinks I'm a she
how about Brutus?
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Dolphin Tue, May 20, 2008 10:28:01am |
I don't care who you are or how much I disagree with you - NOBODY deserves cancer. Lost my mother to it, my brother is in remission (bladder), sister in remmision (brain), lost father-in-law two years ago (lung). I HATE CANCER.
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Sabnen Tue, May 20, 2008 10:28:05am |
I've disagreed with many of the things he has championed and his questionable behavior, but I'm still sorry to hear about his troubles. A difficult road lays ahead.
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dalejrfanfreak Tue, May 20, 2008 10:28:22am |
Ya know, I hate to say it but if Kennedy was a Republican he'd probably have the left wing sites happy that he's got a tumor like they were happy that Tony Snow had cancer. I hope he gets better, even though I strongly disagree with his political policies.
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mustng66 Tue, May 20, 2008 10:28:24am |
Not good, my brother died of lung cancer 1 1/2 years ago and it started going to the brain. Bad news for Mr. Kennedy and his family, another tragedy for the Kennedys. I despise the man's politics to my very core but I wish him longer life and comfort at this terrible time in his life. May he be in no pain.
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JammieWearingFool Tue, May 20, 2008 10:28:34am |
I wish him the best. Hopefully, he can overcome this.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 20, 2008 10:28:59am |
My best wishes go out to the Kennedy family. G-D knows they have had their share of tragedy. But I am a tad ticked already seeing liberal talking heads on TV already using this to plug their liberal agendas.
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joncelli Tue, May 20, 2008 10:29:12am |
Here's a link (might be the same AP story). I don't like Teddy but that's a horrifying diagnosis. May he fight to live on.
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opnion Tue, May 20, 2008 10:29:14am |
It may be too early, but has anyone heard his prognosis?
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really grumpy big dog Johnson Tue, May 20, 2008 10:29:20am |
My thoughts are with Senator Kennedy and his family in this very tough time. While I don't agree with his politics, there's no doubt that he's been a major figure on the political scene for a great many years.
The news sounds pretty scary, but I understand that the place where he is now is one of the best in the world, so here's to hoping he can fight through this to more quality years of life with his family.
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Vergeltung Tue, May 20, 2008 10:29:49am |
re: #15 CIA Reject
I disagree with Senator Kennedy's politics, but he is a fellow American and a fellow human being so I sincerely pray for his recovery and wish his family well.
same here. none of us should wish ill on anyone...
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 20, 2008 10:29:54am |
re: #36 opnion
It may be too early, but has anyone heard his prognosis?
Poor.
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wolfie Tue, May 20, 2008 10:30:02am |
This sounds just awful.
Can any lizards w/ medical savvy fill us in?
If it's a malignant glioma in the parietal lobe, my guess is that it is inoperable. Is that probably so?
Will radiation retard its progress?
I've known a couple of people w/ brain tumors who suffered horrible headaches.
Is this likely to happen?
I'm hoping he won't be in pain and that they can do something to slow down the growth.
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galloping granny Tue, May 20, 2008 10:30:13am |
re: #1 itellu3times
No linkage?
I can't find any article, just messages here.
I don't think anyone has had time to type anything yet. Tumor is a glioma in the left parietal lobe. They have already (as I understand it the day he was flown into MA General) done a biopsy.
Gliomas are very fast growing, very invasive turmors. Very dangerous.
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dsrtegl Tue, May 20, 2008 10:30:23am |
Although we do not share the same point-of-view, I wish him the best for a speedy recovery.
Regardless of political persuasion, no one deserves that diagnosis.
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Ojoe Tue, May 20, 2008 10:30:42am |
As much as I dislike his politics I wish him health and if not that then the loving arms of his family
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ted Tue, May 20, 2008 10:31:45am |
My mom died of the same thing. Sadly it is a grim diagnosis even with removal, chemo and radiation. Rarely more than a year.
My prayers are with the Senator and his family.
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Tue, May 20, 2008 10:31:55am |
re: #28 lawhawk
Reuters reports it is a glioma.
Quick googling says thats one of the nastiest kinds, does not respond well to treatment.
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calcajun Tue, May 20, 2008 10:31:56am |
Do they know if it is operable? What kind of chances does a man of his age (and habits) have with chemo and radiation therapies?
I pity him and his family and what they are all going to have to go through in the coming weeks and months.
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galloping granny Tue, May 20, 2008 10:32:01am |
re: #41 wolfie
This sounds just awful.
Can any lizards w/ medical savvy fill us in?
If it's a malignant glioma in the parietal lobe, my guess is that it is inoperable. Is that probably so?
Will radiation retard its progress?
I've known a couple of people w/ brain tumors who suffered horrible headaches.
Is this likely to happen?I'm hoping he won't be in pain and that they can do something to slow down the growth.
They biopsied it so it is likely also operable. The big problem with a glioma is actually getting it all - very difficult to do. Let me see if I can find anything in layman's terms.
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wolfie Tue, May 20, 2008 10:32:03am |
re: #25 Shug
I need a new nickname.
Everybody thinks I'm a shehow about Brutus?
I second that motion.
He was "the noblest Roman of them all."
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jcm Tue, May 20, 2008 10:32:15am |
Glioma.
Wiki is fast, Kennedy is already in the notable cases section.
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Cygnus Tue, May 20, 2008 10:32:18am |
re: #29 dalejrfanfreak
Ya know, I hate to say it but if Kennedy was a Republican he'd probably have the left wing sites happy that he's got a tumor like they were happy that Tony Snow had cancer. I hope he gets better, even though I strongly disagree with his political policies.
Kos would be doing handsprings and passing out candy.
Prayers for Sen. Kennedy and his family.
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DieLibsDie Tue, May 20, 2008 10:32:19am |
Isn't it nice to see that everybody on this side is, to this point anyway, civil and supportive? What would happen, I wonder, on one of the opposition's sites, if it was someone from our team?
Anyway, this is pretty much a death sentence, especially since it wasn't caught until he had major symptoms. Go with God.
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ArmyWife Tue, May 20, 2008 10:32:32am |
My prayers to Senator Kennedy, his faily and his friends. Though a hope for a cure is always wished for, if that can't happen, may he find comfort and peace.
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loppyd Tue, May 20, 2008 10:32:33am |
This is the most I can find right now from CNN
Kennedy has malignant tumor
Sen. Edward Kennedy has a malignant brain tumor. The hospital treating Kennedy released a statement today saying that the tumor was found during tests after the senator had a seizure Saturday. The tumor is in his left parietal lobe. Full story soon.
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vxbush Tue, May 20, 2008 10:32:40am |
I had a friend who had a brain tumor (not sure where; almost assuredly not where Senator Kennedy's is) and while they were able to get it out with surgery and she's in remission, she is definitely not the same person. Lots of physical disabilities now and a real problem with fatigue.
It's tough to watch in a friend. I just wonder what the doctors are suggesting for the senator. Prayers for him.
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ladycatnip Tue, May 20, 2008 10:32:43am |
Politics aside, my prayers are with him and his family, for peace, comfort and consolation during this very traumatic time.
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THorfin Tue, May 20, 2008 10:32:45am |
I have had much fun over the years poking fun at the fat man but I would not wish this on anyone. I watched my aunt die of a series of brain tumors.
My prayers are with him and for his family. I hope he has made his peace with the maker.
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Marine Mom Tue, May 20, 2008 10:32:49am |
Shoot. I'm sorry to hear it.
Hope he'll have great treatment and will recover.
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Green Helmet Guy Tue, May 20, 2008 10:32:56am |
re: #2 Shug
There is treatment for it:
On May 20, 2008, doctors discovered that Kennedy has a glioma, a type of malignant brain tumor.The typical treatment is indicated as radiation and chemotherapy.
A speedy recovery.
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doppelganglander Tue, May 20, 2008 10:33:26am |
I lost a good friend to a brain tumor a few years ago. She was only in her early 50s. It's so sad to watch. His family should be with him now, while he still knows what's going on around him.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, May 20, 2008 10:33:39am |
*cringe* Not good.
I extend basic human sympathy and a broad wish that he not suffer needlessly. As for the rest... That's not up to me.
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Shr_Nfr Tue, May 20, 2008 10:33:55am |
My sympathies are out to him. Even for this to be successfully treated is nasty. Chemo, radiation and all the rest. May it go easy for him. I dislike his positions, but I wish no ill for any human.
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itellu3times Tue, May 20, 2008 10:34:18am |
re: #41 wolfie
I've known a couple of people w/ brain tumors who suffered horrible headaches.
Is this likely to happen?
Um, it's already causing seizures.
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ted Tue, May 20, 2008 10:34:32am |
Glioblastoma Multiforme:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Ringo the Gringo Tue, May 20, 2008 10:34:37am |
One thing you can say about Ted Kennedy, he's a fighter.
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Tue, May 20, 2008 10:34:38am |
In looking up "glioma" at Glioma, there is ALREADY a reference to: Ed K.
Notable cases
* Fred Conlon
* Daniel W. Hardy
* Edward Kennedy
* Kim Walker
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galloping granny Tue, May 20, 2008 10:34:54am |
Here is a fair synopsis from the Society for Neuroscience -
For years, researchers puzzled over an aggressive form of brain cancer. The lethal glioma tumors often outsmart traditional cancer treatments such as surgery, and quickly invade healthy brain tissue. But now an understanding of the biological makeup and survival mechanisms of glioma tumors is helping researchers develop methods that they hope will kill the cancer.
Brain tumors always have been one of the most devastating diseases because they are so difficult to treat, much less cure. But now scientists are on track toward finding what may be definitive treatments for the most virulent of these tumors.
The growing mass of cells in a brain tumor bullies healthy cells by pushing them out of their way and squeezing them against the skull. This hinders the brain's ability to orchestrate life functions. Depending on the tumor's size and location, paralysis, behavior changes and dizziness, to name a few of the symptoms, can occur.
A glioma tumor is particularly damaging because it tends to quickly sprout and spread within the brain. Each year, approximately 20,000 Americans find out that they have a glioma. More than half die within 18 months.
[Link: www.sfn.org...]
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Tue, May 20, 2008 10:35:23am |
Now how does this affect his Senatorship? Would he be required to step down and if so, who would replace him, or would a special election get called?
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Dianna Tue, May 20, 2008 10:35:41am |
re: #67 itellu3times
That's not a good sign, is it? That's what they call "frank systems".
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 20, 2008 10:35:46am |
re: #39 Vergeltung
same here. none of us should wish ill on anyone...
Well, there are some people I wish ill to. Amadmanonjihad, for example, and the various heads of Hamas. And Osama, even if he's already dead.
But Kennedy should have had a long, comfortable retirement. I hope he still can.
And I hope we elect a Republican in his place, although given Moonbattachusetts, that seems less likely than a quick and full recovery.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 20, 2008 10:35:50am |
re: #58 vxbush
I had a friend who had a brain tumor (not sure where; almost assuredly not where Senator Kennedy's is) and while they were able to get it out with surgery and she's in remission, she is definitely not the same person. Lots of physical disabilities now and a real problem with fatigue.
It's tough to watch in a friend. I just wonder what the doctors are suggesting for the senator. Prayers for him.
In cases such as Kennedy's, sometimes the "cure" ( and I use that term loosely) is worse than the disease. I hope that just because he is famous, his doctors do not over treat him. He deserves some dignity in his dying days.
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JammieWearingFool Tue, May 20, 2008 10:36:13am |
re: #53 jcm
Glioma.
Wiki is fast, Kennedy is already in the notable cases section.
In some cases, Wikis are nearly as fast as Lizards. Nobody's faster than this crew.
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Scott P Tue, May 20, 2008 10:36:22am |
God bless, Senator. Best wishes to you and your family.
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Endangered in MASS Tue, May 20, 2008 10:36:22am |
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chinesearithmetic Tue, May 20, 2008 10:36:42am |
What tragic news. I will pray for him.
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THorfin Tue, May 20, 2008 10:36:49am |
I have been told that the type of tumor teddy has is very bad. They grow fast and the treatment depends upon the location of the tumor.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, May 20, 2008 10:37:18am |
Read the Wiki... Ugh, that's awful. It sounds like one of those issues where the treatment is as bad as the problem.
Honestly if I had that, I'd be tempted to just set a date for a lonely walk in the woods with a shotgun, and spend the intervening time with loved ones.
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lurking faith Tue, May 20, 2008 10:37:18am |
re: #36 opnion
It may be too early, but has anyone heard his prognosis?
There will probably have to be further testing and analysis of the particular cell structure of the glioma before they can suggest a prognosis. If it's the most aggressive kind, he'll be lucky to live a year.
I may not approve of his politics or his personal behavior, but I pity him greatly for the road he now has ahead of him. Also the family.
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Tue, May 20, 2008 10:37:20am |
Symptoms of gliomas depend on which part of the central nervous system is affected. A brain glioma can cause headaches, nausea and vomiting, seizures, and cranial nerve disorders as a result of increased intracranial pressure. A glioma of the optic nerve can cause visual loss. Spinal cord gliomas can cause pain, weakness, or numbness in the extremities. Gliomas do not metastasize by the bloodstream, but they can spread via the cerebrospinal fluid and cause "drop metastases" to the spinal cord. - Wikipedia
His prognosis is not very good. Thoughts and prayers to his family!
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gtiness Tue, May 20, 2008 10:37:22am |
that's awful. best of luck/wishes to him and his family.
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NoSubmission Tue, May 20, 2008 10:37:34am |
Wishing the Senator and his family the best at this difficult time.
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the jinxmedic Tue, May 20, 2008 10:37:36am |
May God give him the strength to fight this, but if that is not to be, please grant him freedom from physical pain and give him peace.
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loppyd Tue, May 20, 2008 10:37:48am |
"Preliminary results from a biopsy of the brain identified the cause of the seizure as a malignant glioma in the left parietal lobe," according to a statement from the doctors treating the senator."The usual course of treatment includes combinations of various forms of radiation and chemotherapy," they said.
advertisement"Decisions regarding the best course of treatment for Senator Kennedy will be determined after further testing and analysis," the doctors continued.
"Senator Kennedy will remain at Massachusetts General Hospital for the next couple of days according to routine protocol. He remains in good spirits and full of energy."
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coquimbojoe Tue, May 20, 2008 10:37:53am |
I have always wanted him to be out of our Government, but this is never the way I had wanted it to happen. I hope the best for him and his family at what must be a horribly difficult time.
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debutaunt Tue, May 20, 2008 10:38:00am |
re: #25 Shug
I need a new nickname.
Everybody thinks I'm a shehow about Brutus?
I always think of the Shug character in the Color Purple.
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yma o hyd Tue, May 20, 2008 10:38:07am |
re: #42 galloping granny
Terrible diagnosis - lets hope he and his family can get through this with dignity and with all the medical help available.
Prayers for him and his family.
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Tue, May 20, 2008 10:38:07am |
re: #87 the jinxmedic
May God give him the strength to fight this, but if that is not to be, please grant him freedom from physical pain and give him peace.
Amen!
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galloping granny Tue, May 20, 2008 10:38:16am |
re: #72 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Now how does this affect his Senatorship? Would he be required to step down and if so, who would replace him, or would a special election get called?
He is not required to step down. He might choose to, in which case the Governor of Massachusetts will appoint somebody to finish his term.
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El matamoros Tue, May 20, 2008 10:38:24am |
Im glad to see that only ONE post was deleted! Don't turn LGF into a SEWER! I can only imagine what KOS would look like if Bush had a brain tumor. For a man with so much family tragedy i hope only the best!
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wahabicorridor Tue, May 20, 2008 10:38:28am |
ach. This sucks. But there should be an enormous amount that can be done. I've had my brain operated on 3 times - the last time about 20 years and I'm sure there's been much progress since then.
God speed Senator, and may the Lord bless and keep you and your family.
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Mazeman Tue, May 20, 2008 10:38:32am |
Too bad for him and his family.
Lizards are nice folks. I just learned about this on a different board, and the comments were brutal. So I left. Much nicer tone here.
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JammieWearingFool Tue, May 20, 2008 10:38:36am |
My prayers go out in particular to his wife and kids.
I've been down this road enough times and know how difficult it will be for them.
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Dianna Tue, May 20, 2008 10:38:38am |
re: #82 Pawn of the Oppressor
He is a Catholic; that's a sin. I don't think he'd do that.
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loppyd Tue, May 20, 2008 10:38:44am |
re: #89 song_and_dance_man
A lot of states have laws that give the Governor power to appoint in the case of Senator resignations.
not sure how it works here in MA...
looking now
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MandyManners Tue, May 20, 2008 10:38:52am |
Contrast this thread with the one at Huffpost about Tony Snow or VP Cheney.
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mongrel19 Tue, May 20, 2008 10:39:13am |
As most of us lizards have acknowledged, we don't care for his politics. But may he find peace (and his family comfort) in the coming days.
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NoSubmission Tue, May 20, 2008 10:39:17am |
I have a friend who survived brain cancer. It can be done.
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docremulac Tue, May 20, 2008 10:39:26am |
You probably won't see any people celebrating a man being struck with a horrible disease on this site. Non-progressives aren't motivated by a desire to see human suffering like progressives are.
Any leftists reading this, might want to look realistically at yourself if you've got the nerve. If this were somebody from the right like Cheney or Ann Coulter, think how happy you'd be right now, fantasizing about their pain and agony.
That's one of the main differences between us.
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JustAVoter Tue, May 20, 2008 10:39:34am |
I had hoped that relative silence from the media and others was a good sign and that all would be well. It appears I was sadly mistaken.
My best to Senator Kennedy and his family in this hard time. May God grant health, and if not health, peace.
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Zooty Zoot Tue, May 20, 2008 10:39:36am |
Particularly sad in view of what happened to his brothers, as well as his nephew, and various others in his family who have more than their fair share of hard knocks.
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jcm Tue, May 20, 2008 10:39:50am |
re: #72 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Now how does this affect his Senatorship? Would he be required to step down and if so, who would replace him, or would a special election get called?
Varies by state. Some have incapacitation clauses others only death. Either case the governor selects a person to fill out the term to the next election for that seat. Mass. Gov. is a (D) so should Kennedy need to be replaced no ramifications for the Senate.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 20, 2008 10:40:05am |
Wow, that is not good. A friend of mine recently passed away from brain cancer, which had spread from his neck. He only had a short period of remission. Also, being that June is a cancer survivor, and we still live with the specter of her cancer returning, I send my prayers to him and his family.
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amphibian Tue, May 20, 2008 10:40:07am |
Hm, bad thing. Of course we do not agree with all of Sen. Kennedy's views, but this is the time for hopes and prayers.
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Carolyn Tue, May 20, 2008 10:40:13am |
I wouldn't wish this on anyone.
I have seen a couple of people die with this cancer.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 20, 2008 10:40:28am |
re: #84 Conservative in Liberal Hands
His prognosis is not very good. Thoughts and prayers to his family!
Especially given his age.
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experiencedtraveller Tue, May 20, 2008 10:40:43am |
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Fight hard Teddy.
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mad_scientist Tue, May 20, 2008 10:41:08am |
Doesnt sound good...
Treatment can involve chemotherapy, radiotherapy, and surgery, all of which are acknowledged as palliative measures, meaning that they do not provide a cure. Even with complete surgical resection of the tumor, combined with the best available treatment, the survival rate for GBM remains very low
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cheeseweasel Tue, May 20, 2008 10:41:10am |
God bless and save Sen. Kennedy in his time of need. Here's hoping his relatives and friends find strength.
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jcm Tue, May 20, 2008 10:41:12am |
re: #90 coquimbojoe
I have always wanted him to be out of our Government, but this is never the way I had wanted it to happen. I hope the best for him and his family at what must be a horribly difficult time.
I want him to back up his office and hand over the key to his office to a (R). Not this way, not for him, not for anyone.
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lurking faith Tue, May 20, 2008 10:41:13am |
re: #34 Nevergiveup
My best wishes go out to the Kennedy family. G-D knows they have had their share of tragedy. But I am a tad ticked already seeing liberal talking heads on TV already using this to plug their liberal agendas.
I agree. A man, their longtime ally, has a personal tragedy, and the first thing they think is "How can we use this?" No human feeling at all.
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victor_yugo Tue, May 20, 2008 10:41:29am |
Dear Teddy,
Get thee to Duke University.
STRAIGHT AWAY!
If anyone can halt this foul abomination, they can.
With hopes for your recovery,
victor_yugo.
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iWatas Tue, May 20, 2008 10:41:39am |
An absolutely terrible thing to happen to anyone. I echo all the words of sadness and sympathy posted here.
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Endangered in MASS Tue, May 20, 2008 10:41:46am |
re: #88 loppyd
Did the Mass Legislature strip the governor of his power to appoint replacement Senators? I recall discussion of it when it looked like Mitt might get to name Liveshots replacement.
Eitherway were're screwed.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 20, 2008 10:41:47am |
re: #109 jcm
Varies by state. Some have incapacitation clauses others only death. Either case the governor selects a person to fill out the term to the next election for that seat. Mass. Gov. is a (D) so should Kennedy need to be replaced no ramifications for the Senate.
Except that his replacement would be a freshman, and wouldn't have the seniority that Kennedy has.
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Warm Mountain Tue, May 20, 2008 10:41:55am |
Dang. He's not my favorite politician, but I would not wish brain cancer on him. My 23 year old brother died of an inoperable brain tumor, and his brief battle was agonizing for him and us. Senator Kennedy, I wish you good luck and a good fight against a devastating disease.
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Shug Tue, May 20, 2008 10:42:15am |
re: #97 Mazeman
Too bad for him and his family.
Lizards are nice folks. I just learned about this on a different board, and the comments were brutal. So I left. Much nicer tone here.
Class comes from the top down.
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big L Tue, May 20, 2008 10:42:26am |
maybe gov could name himself,if you know...he is a donk
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bigpinkfluffybunny Tue, May 20, 2008 10:42:27am |
My mother died from brain cancer over 20 years ago. I hope that there is some treatment, or somewhere that can help him, whether it is a cure or simply pain relief.
Will be hoping for the best for the Senator and his family.
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carray Tue, May 20, 2008 10:42:36am |
Prayers for him and his family. May he make his peace with his maker.
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cannon2 Tue, May 20, 2008 10:42:36am |
don't like his tax and spend like a drunken sailor politics..
don't agree with his all encompassing nanny state socialist view of what this country should be
he's been there(washington) since 1962...waaayyy too long.
got there riding his borthers coattails...
wish he could have been trounced at the ballot box long ago...
hope he has to resign and live out his life outside politics...
believe the country would be better off whih him retired...
hope and pray for his recovery..as a person, he has my best wishes.
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Tue, May 20, 2008 10:42:38am |
re: #109 jcm
There are ramifications concerning ranking. The committee assignments and positions would be changed. Again, not much of a change except within Democratic party and the Senate.
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Shug Tue, May 20, 2008 10:42:44am |
re: #120 victor_yugo
Dear Teddy,
Get thee to
Duke University.MD AndersonSTRAIGHT AWAY!
If anyone can halt this foul abomination, they can.
With hopes for your recovery,
victor_yugo.
/everything's better in Texas
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Endangered in MASS Tue, May 20, 2008 10:42:59am |
re: #98 JammieWearingFool
Ted has been down this road with his son who lost a leg to cancer at a young age.
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Smashmaster Tue, May 20, 2008 10:43:04am |
Poor bastard. That's all I got to say about that.
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wahabicorridor Tue, May 20, 2008 10:43:18am |
re: #119 lurking faith
their longtime ally, has a personal tragedy, and the first thing they think is "How can we use this?"
Remember Paul Wellstone's memorial service?
gotta hop.
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IslandLibertarian Tue, May 20, 2008 10:43:32am |
Very sad...My prayers for the Kennedy's...Gods will be done...
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ted Tue, May 20, 2008 10:43:41am |
He probably will step down. Symptoms are both mental and physical. Also Chemo and Radiation are devastating.
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jcm Tue, May 20, 2008 10:43:45am |
re: #123 Ward Cleaver
Except that his replacement would be a freshman, and wouldn't have the seniority that Kennedy has.
Dat true. Only Byrd is senior to Kennedy.
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snowcrash Tue, May 20, 2008 10:43:50am |
re: #120 victor_yugo
Boston has the Dana Farber Cancer Institute, really state of the art.
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chicagodudewhotrades Tue, May 20, 2008 10:43:57am |
Years ago I watched pancreatic cancer take my mom. Her cancer spread quickly through her body. Granted, pancreatic cancer is different then a cancerous brain tumor, but i wouldn't want anyone to go through this. Best wishes to Ted and his family
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THorfin Tue, May 20, 2008 10:44:14am |
A thought for the masses. Mitt Romney could run for the senate seat when it becomes vacant and win. Being appointed to a seat is not the same as being elected. How long is Teddies remaining term?
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ted Tue, May 20, 2008 10:44:37am |
re: #120 victor_yugo
Dear Teddy,
Get thee to Duke University.
STRAIGHT AWAY!
If anyone can halt this foul abomination, they can.
With hopes for your recovery,
victor_yugo.
Yes, my mom went there.
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SalsaNChips Tue, May 20, 2008 10:44:46am |
Prayers for Senator Kennedy and his family.
(BTW, the contrast of the comments here on LGF and other political blogs of a different persuasion, given an event of similar magnitude and opposite ideological circumstance, is striking.)
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itellu3times Tue, May 20, 2008 10:44:58am |
re: #142 THorfin
A thought for the masses. Mitt Romney could run for the senate seat when it becomes vacant and win. Being appointed to a seat is not the same as being elected. How long is Teddies remaining term?
Four years.
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jcm Tue, May 20, 2008 10:45:08am |
re: #142 THorfin
A thought for the masses. Mitt Romney could run for the senate seat when it becomes vacant and win. Being appointed to a seat is not the same as being elected. How long is Teddies remaining term?
His seat is up in '12.
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realwest Tue, May 20, 2008 10:45:09am |
I'm very sorry to hear this news. I do wish the Senator the finest in treatment and the fullest possible recovery.
My sympathies to his family.
BTW, as someone who is also suffering from cancer (albeit a completely different type than Senator Kennedy's) I've done a TON of research on cancer in general and I have to say that regardless of what doctors who are not HIS doctors may say, cancer is different with everyone - even the same type of cancer in the same location. So any "guesses" or quotes from medical manuals are just that; whether, when and how well Senator Kennedy will recover are totally up to his doctors, himself and the Lord.
Good luck Senator Kennedy, and may the Lord be with you.
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ladycatnip Tue, May 20, 2008 10:45:21am |
#29 dalejrfanfreak
Ya know, I hate to say it but if Kennedy was a Republican he'd probably have the left wing sites happy that he's got a tumor like they were happy that Tony Snow had cancer. I hope he gets better, even though I strongly disagree with his political policies.
What a stark difference between the left and the right. The comments here are uplifting and encouraging to a politician whose policies sicken most posters (with the exception of a few trolls); yet we're all praying for healing, comfort, and peace for Ted and his family.
When ill befalls a conservative, the left revel and party just like the Middle Easterners did at 9/11 and any other opportunity to celebrate death.
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DistantThunder Tue, May 20, 2008 10:45:29am |
He has a primary tumor meaning that it started in the brain, not somewhere else.
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BGOH Tue, May 20, 2008 10:45:52am |
A friend's grandmother just passed away on Sunday from a brain tumor. From what I was told, Steroids kept her comfortable, and although she was wheelchair bound because of it, she was up and around until her final weeks.
Here's to hoping that Ted can return to his work in the Senate. No matter how much we disagree with him on politics, it would be a sincere shame if he were not able to end his long career on his own terms.
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vxbush Tue, May 20, 2008 10:46:18am |
re: #149 DistantThunder
He has a primary tumor meaning that it started in the brain, not somewhere else.
Stupid question: How can they tell without looking for tumors everywhere else?
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Gus205 Tue, May 20, 2008 10:46:27am |
Senator Kennedy,
Our best wishes go out to you and your family in this time.
Gus
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Endangered in MASS Tue, May 20, 2008 10:46:36am |
re: #136 song_and_dance_man
Especially when the Mittster went on Howie Carr and told Howie he would get the nod.
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NY Nana Tue, May 20, 2008 10:46:43am |
re: #14 itellu3times
When I heard that he had 2 seizures, I had said that it may very well be a brain tumor...now I am waiting to hear what grade it is. That will give an idea as to how bad it is..a grade IV is the worst. Gliomas are in and of themselves about the worst kind of brain tumor.
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opnion Tue, May 20, 2008 10:46:46am |
By definition there is no such thing as a good disese.
Cancer thogh is particularly loathsome.
Anybody who has dealt with cancer either personaly or family knows that.
The Senator has gotten awful news. I know that right now there has to be a great deal of fear. I do hope that he gets a good outcome.
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itellu3times Tue, May 20, 2008 10:46:55am |
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thedopefishlives Tue, May 20, 2008 10:47:24am |
re: #152 vxbush
Stupid question: How can they tell without looking for tumors everywhere else?
They've figured out a way to identify what type of cancer cells are generated by the tumors, so that if the cell types "match", in a sense, they know that's the origin of the cancer.
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MilkOfMalfeasance Tue, May 20, 2008 10:47:27am |
I have had 2 people close to me in my life suffer and die from this. I would not wish this on anyone. What a terrible circumstance this is. I hope there is something they can do. Hope for the best everyone.
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DistantThunder Tue, May 20, 2008 10:47:32am |
Over the left ear - i wonder if it is related to cell phone use.
The last person to hold his senate seat was his brother, John F. Kennedy.
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DesertSage Tue, May 20, 2008 10:47:36am |
My father had a malignant brain tumor back in 1963. After they operated and removed it, they gave him 6 months to live.
He died in 1993.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 20, 2008 10:48:17am |
re: #131 Shug
/everything's better in Texas
I agree, M.D. Anderson.
/get on down to houston!
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bosforus Tue, May 20, 2008 10:48:31am |
Gotta run. Keep up the kind words. Dem or Rep he's an American, just like most of us, and he fights for what he believes will make America better, and those are the kinds of politicians America wants.
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Perry Tue, May 20, 2008 10:48:40am |
Gliomas are tendril-ish and seed into other areas. If it's operable, he could get symptom relief. Hearing that he might have chemo + radiation sounds like it might not be operable. In which case the chemo might be worse than present symptoms. Seizures caused by a tumor are not likely to be helped by anti-seizure meds.
Cancer be damned.
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brent Tue, May 20, 2008 10:48:50am |
Lost a brother to cancer, and dad lost his bladder to it when I was in college - folks live where they do now because he didn't expect to survive.
All the best, to all the Kennedys.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 20, 2008 10:48:51am |
re: #164 DesertSage
My father had a malignant brain tumor back in 1963. After they operated and removed it, they gave him 6 months to live.
He died in 1993.
Wow, a miracle case.
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Dianna Tue, May 20, 2008 10:48:56am |
re: #152 vxbush
Not a stupid question at all, but I would suspect they've tested him extensively already.
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Shug Tue, May 20, 2008 10:49:06am |
re: #152 vxbush
Stupid question: How can they tell without looking for tumors everywhere else?
appearance on imaging.
biopsy to confirm
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 20, 2008 10:49:41am |
A Kennedy has been the US Senator from Mass. for the last 56 years. That is a long time. I am only 53 years old.
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marjoriemoon Tue, May 20, 2008 10:49:42am |
re: #105 NoSubmission
I have a friend who survived brain cancer. It can be done.
Yep. Me too. Funny story...
My g/f was released from the hospital in California with the side of her head shaved and a "crown" of staples down her head from above her ear to the base of her neck.
A friend took her for a cup of coffee at an outside cafe and as they were sipping their java, a young fella came up on his skateboard, sporting a mohawk, many tattoos and multiple piercings (lip, eyebrow, cheek) etc.
He takes one look at my g/f's staples and exclaims, "Whoa dude! Where'd ya get THAT!" LOL My g/f laughed and said, "St. Vincent."
Anyway... other than ringing in her ears and some equilibrium issues, she's doing very well. It depends on so many things. I'm sure Senator Kennedy will have the best of care. God bless him.
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nyc redneck Tue, May 20, 2008 10:49:55am |
how sad. this is a very tough diagnosis, he will need prayers.
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ted Tue, May 20, 2008 10:49:55am |
re: #163 DistantThunder
Over the left ear - i wonder if it is related to cell phone use.
The last person to hold his senate seat was his brother, John F. Kennedy.
No risk factors have ever been linked to GBM.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 20, 2008 10:50:13am |
re: #168 Perry
Gliomas are tendril-ish and seed into other areas. If it's operable, he could get symptom relief. Hearing that he might have chemo + radiation sounds like it might not be operable. In which case the chemo might be worse than present symptoms. Seizures caused by a tumor are not likely to be helped by anti-seizure meds.
Cancer be damned.
Chemo is not as bad as it used to be, but then he's 76 years old.
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vxbush Tue, May 20, 2008 10:50:42am |
re: #174 Shug
appearance on imaging.
biopsy to confirm
Would the appearance be more dense, then? Sorry, just curious. I've looked at lots of CT scans of my son's brain, so I know a minuscule amount.
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rorschach Tue, May 20, 2008 10:50:43am |
#25 ShugI need a new nickname.
Everybody thinks I'm a she
How about Shag. That's a decidedly male endeavor.
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Ojoe Tue, May 20, 2008 10:50:46am |
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DistantThunder Tue, May 20, 2008 10:51:03am |
It's due to our advanced health care that we die from cancers and tend not to from flu and pneumonia, and other common things.
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DesertSage Tue, May 20, 2008 10:51:05am |
re: #172 Ward Cleaver
Wow, a miracle case.
Throughout the 30 years he lived after the tumor was removed he would often say, "what do the doctors know anyway? they're only human after all".
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Son of the Black Dog Tue, May 20, 2008 10:51:08am |
re: #142 THorfin
A thought for the masses. Mitt Romney could run for the senate seat when it becomes vacant and win. Being appointed to a seat is not the same as being elected. How long is Teddies remaining term?
In the cases I remember, the governor's appointment is only until the next regular election. So, were Kennedy to step down now, his appointed replacement might only be serving until the November election, depending on things like deadlines. The elected successor would then serve until the end of Kennedy's regular term. Also, the elected successor is sworn in immediately after the election, thus getting a leg up in terms of seniority.
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Mazeman Tue, May 20, 2008 10:51:20am |
re: #175 Nevergiveup
A Kennedy has been the US Senator from Mass. for the last 56 years. That is a long time. I am only 53 years old.
46 years.
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nyc redneck Tue, May 20, 2008 10:51:22am |
re: #149 DistantThunder
He has a primary tumor meaning that it started in the brain, not somewhere else.
and that is a problem.
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Nemo Tue, May 20, 2008 10:51:29am |
re: #154 Silhouette
Right. We've gotta to convince the left we are decent, thoughtful people before we can finally cut off all school lunch programs, deny seniors medicine, remove access to all medical care and finally, enslave them all.
Oh and I do hope Kennedy does recover. Although I do disagree with him on most of his political stands, he is a very smart and, although misguided imo, good man.
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victor_yugo Tue, May 20, 2008 10:51:31am |
re: #131 Shug
/everything's better in Texas
Duke U experimental treatment stopped the brain tumor of someone near and dear to me, after his own doc told him to get his affairs in order and prepare for the end.
This might also be a good time to pitch Folding@Home. I run it, and I suggest it to people who want their (own) computers not to be wasting CPU cycles.
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Morganfrost Tue, May 20, 2008 10:51:40am |
I wish him a speedy recovery (ok, I'll say it) to be followed promptly by a long and happy retirement.
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ted Tue, May 20, 2008 10:52:10am |
re: #176 marjoriemoon
Yep. Me too. Funny story...
My g/f was released from the hospital in California with the side of her head shaved and a "crown" of staples down her head from above her ear to the base of her neck.
A friend took her for a cup of coffee at an outside cafe and as they were sipping their java, a young fella came up on his skateboard, sporting a mohawk, many tattoos and multiple piercings (lip, eyebrow, cheek) etc.
He takes one look at my g/f's staples and exclaims, "Whoa dude! Where'd ya get THAT!" LOL My g/f laughed and said, "St. Vincent."
Anyway... other than ringing in her ears and some equilibrium issues, she's doing very well. It depends on so many things. I'm sure Senator Kennedy will have the best of care. God bless him.
It can, but GBM's have at most an average of 14 months survival.
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Endangered in MASS Tue, May 20, 2008 10:52:35am |
re: #175 Nevergiveup
Do you mean 46 years? He was first elected in1962.
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opnion Tue, May 20, 2008 10:52:40am |
re: #134 wahabicorridor
Remember Paul Wellstone's memorial service?
gotta hop.
The Wellstone Memorial Service was a disgrace that backfired.
There was whopping & hollering & partisan attacks. It cost them at the pollls.
I wish the Senator the best. If however it goes badly, I trust that his farewell will be dignified.
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NY Nana Tue, May 20, 2008 10:52:48am |
I lost my Dad zt'l to Ca. of the pancreas 25 years ago.
He fought a very brave battle against a foe that has not yet been vanquished, nor has the survival rate improved.
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Vergeltung Tue, May 20, 2008 10:53:00am |
re: #74 Kosh's Shadow
Well, there are some people I wish ill to. Amadmanonjihad, for example, and the various heads of Hamas. And Osama, even if he's already dead.
But Kennedy should have had a long, comfortable retirement. I hope he still can.
And I hope we elect a Republican in his place, although given Moonbattachusetts, that seems less likely than a quick and full recovery.
well, you know what I mean. most sane people would wish ill on Hitler, Stalin, etc., to the list of the evil men of history. but that is the exception, not the rule.
additionally, here in sane LGF-land, notice no hate-filled bile thrown at the sick man. contrast that with what is seen on the LLL sites re ill conservatives, etc.
'nuff said.
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rusty_armor Tue, May 20, 2008 10:53:09am |
Well, my own superstitions don't allow for gloating when an enemy falls ... I would have preferred that his constituents woke up and tossed his butt out of the Senate rather than see him go out this way.
Perhaps they will figure out a way to fight this.
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S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Tue, May 20, 2008 10:53:16am |
I think it goes without saying that most of us here on LGF parted ways with Sen. Kennedy on his political views long ago. However, this is not something you'd wish on anyone, even a tough political opponent, and I hope the best for Sen. Kennedy and his family.
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Carolyn Tue, May 20, 2008 10:53:45am |
The two people I knew were little guys, (7 and 3)
neither lived over a year from diagnosis.
It was the saddest thing I have ever witnessed.
It has been years since...but it still makes me cry.
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CapeCoddah Tue, May 20, 2008 10:53:46am |
Afternoon all, Sad news for the Senator, and my family, as I am sure all of yours are also, are sending our prayers and thoughts his way.
I have lived on the Cape all my life, and since I was old enough to vote, I have always had issues with the Senators political views, but, Having met the man many times, and he is always a gentleman in person, I am deeply saddened by this horrific news. No one deserves this diagnosis, and I wish the senator the very best, from the bottom of my heart. Best wishes Senator, We are ALL pulling for you.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 20, 2008 10:53:53am |
re: #188 Mazeman
46 years.
JFK was elected to the US Senate in 1952.
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jcm Tue, May 20, 2008 10:53:57am |
re: #175 Nevergiveup
A Kennedy has been the US Senator from Mass. for the last 56 years. That is a long time. I am only 53 years old.
I was 2 years old when he was elected to the Senate.
I have a distinct memory of JFK's assassination. I'm riding on my dad's shoulders in a very busy noisy place. Then suddenly every one, and everything, all the noise just stopped. I told my dad that memory later and he said we where walking through Chicago's O'Hare when the announcement was made. One of my earliest memory is tied to the Kennedy's.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 20, 2008 10:54:11am |
re: #197 Endangered in MASS
Do you mean 46 years? He was first elected in1962.
JFK was elected in 1952
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 20, 2008 10:54:12am |
re: #163 DistantThunder
Over the left ear - i wonder if it is related to cell phone use.
The last person to hold his senate seat was his brother, John F. Kennedy.
Actually, the last person to hold it was an appointee, Benjamin A. Smith II, from 1961 until 1963. Ted didn't turn 30 until 1962, so he wasn't eligible to run for the Senate until then.
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Taqyia2Me Tue, May 20, 2008 10:54:17am |
My hopes and prayers go out to Sen Kennedy and his family. May he always be able to look to his Baptism for his salvation by Grace.
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DistantThunder Tue, May 20, 2008 10:54:32am |
I'm posting on a new women's liberal website Women on the Web
It's very liberal and I'm getting attacked for saying Obama is a marxist - they say it's hyperbole. heh.
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thedopefishlives Tue, May 20, 2008 10:54:44am |
re: #167 bosforus
Gotta run. Keep up the kind words. Dem or Rep he's an American, just like most of us, and he fights for what he believes will make America better, and those are the kinds of politicians America wants.
There is one comment I'd like to make about the Senator: I do not agree with his political views, but I am certain everyone here can attest that the man was dogged in pursuing what he believed in. Left or right, THAT'S what this country needs, not more flip-flopping wishy-washy types. Kennedy was a man you either agreed with or disagreed with, no two ways about it. You knew where he stood, and that means something, even if he stood on the wrong side sometimes. (Okay, most of the time. ;)
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ted Tue, May 20, 2008 10:54:59am |
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Tamron Tue, May 20, 2008 10:55:04am |
Well, at any rate Teddy has had a controversial life, and he hasn't been a wallflower. Not that I care for his leftist leanings (for the record, someone should compile a full summary of every issue that he's ever supported or opposed), but he's certainly had the persistence to have his day in the sun, over and over again.
This kind of tumor/seizure is almost impossible to recover from, especially if you're not young and fit.
Off-Topic:
--Did anyone see Bobby Kennedy Jr. on David Letterman the other night? He's an impressive individual who seems to be well-informed on a variety of subjects. I especially appreciated his take on alternative energy, and the necessity of doing away with our independence on foreign suppliers. Very well said.
Honestly, I don't know what the total Iraq cost is by now -- I remember seeing Cheney being interviewed several years ago and he was adamantly insisting that Iraq DID NOT cost the $130 billion figure that the interviewer was quoting, and now lately that figure is supposedly up in the trillions of dollars.
Geez, if we'd have economized on expenses regarding Halliburton, etc. and been able to pump one-third or one-half of that total into R&D of alternative energy (or releasing and utilizing the already-existing patents on such, etc.), we'd be a LOT better off today. Even adjusting for inflation, if the original Manhattan Project cost approximately five billion dollars back in the 1940's, then what -- in today's dollars -- could a trillion dollars do, towards clean and safe and renewable energy for the broad public?
If this energy-shortage (caused by deliberately high prices) crap keeps up, then one of our biggest white elephant problems will be getting rid of all of the millions and millions of old V8 gas-guzzlers around the country. Over $100 to fill up the gas tank? Nobody wants 'em any more! Crush them all, and have Toyota turn them into electric cars?
What Say You...
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Perry Tue, May 20, 2008 10:55:04am |
re: #179 Ward Cleaver
Yes, depending on the agent. And palliatives are much better too. But it's still true that chemo agents are in general formualted to kill rapidly replicating cells like cancers, GI tract lining, hair.
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Thanos Tue, May 20, 2008 10:55:15am |
Senator Kennedy will probably get the similar treatment to that given Jerry Pournelle, you can follow his travails the past three months over at his blog, [Link: www.jerrrypournelle.com...]
He had some interesting symptoms while they were basically frying part of his brain, but seems to be recovering pretty well.
I wish the Senator best of luck recovering, but he's not as healthy as Jerry was going in, and his liver is probably not in as good shape as Jerry's, which is important to recovery.
That said, the radiation therapy might not be the path taken in the Senator's case.
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Dad O' Blondes Tue, May 20, 2008 10:55:18am |
Unfortunate and terrible diagnosis for Sen. Kennedy.
I wish him and his family the best under these difficult circumstances.
.
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jetpilot1101 Tue, May 20, 2008 10:55:25am |
I am no fan of Senator Kennedy's politics but I sincerely hope he overcomes and beats this cancer. You will be in my prayers senator. God bless.
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rcris5 Tue, May 20, 2008 10:55:26am |
Sad enough for those who are close to him, I sympathize with the family. But what a destructive legacy for the country this man has left for my children.
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wolfie Tue, May 20, 2008 10:55:53am |
re: #34 Nevergiveup
My best wishes go out to the Kennedy family. G-D knows they have had their share of tragedy. But I am a tad ticked already seeing liberal talking heads on TV already using this to plug their liberal agendas.
For the left, everything is politics and there is nothing outside of politics...to paraphrase Mussolini. The chief distinction between the left and the rest of us is not that they are natural slimeballs and we are natural angels. It is that they have developed within themselves a totalitarian mindset that does not admit the purely personal, the private, or the transcendent.
There is no "problem" or no subject they believe to be outside the purview of state control. And there is likewise nothing than ought not to be politicized.
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keefe Tue, May 20, 2008 10:55:55am |
My Dad bought it this way. 10 months.
I was able to spend a month with him during the last summer. Instead of contract bridge, we played tile rummy.
He had a chance to wrap things up and say goodbye, for which I've always been grateful.
I imagine the politics are done now, and I hope the senator and his family is given the same chance.
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loppyd Tue, May 20, 2008 10:56:12am |
re: #122 Endangered in MASS
Did the Mass Legislature strip the governor of his power to appoint replacement Senators? I recall discussion of it when it looked like Mitt might get to name Liveshots replacement.
Eitherway were're screwed.
MA changed the law while Liveshot was running for president.
There would be a special election.
The 17th Amendment to the Constitution (1913) established direct election of senators, as well as a means of filling vacant Senate seats. If a vacancy occurs due to a senator's death, resignation, or expulsion, the 17th Amendment allows state legislatures to empower the governor to appoint a replacement to complete the term or to hold office until a special election can take place. There are a few exceptions to this rule. The states of Oregon, Wisconsin and Massachusetts do not allow the governor to appoint, but rather require special elections to fill a vacancy.
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Endangered in MASS Tue, May 20, 2008 10:56:22am |
re: #207 Nevergiveup
Your are correct. I did not read your post carefully enough. My bad.
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CapeCoddah Tue, May 20, 2008 10:56:24am |
If the Governor of Massachusetts has to appoint someone to take the Senators seat, it will most assuredly be his nephew, Joe, who is Bobbys son.
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galloping granny Tue, May 20, 2008 10:56:32am |
re: #179 Ward Cleaver
Chemo is not as bad as it used to be, but then he's 76 years old.
76 is the new 40. My Dad was still riding a motorcycle at 76. And 79.
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Cygnus Tue, May 20, 2008 10:56:36am |
re: #80 chinesearithmetic
What tragic news. I will pray for him.
Please do. I knew somebody several years who was healed of brain tumors. She went in for an MRI a few days after being prayed for and the tumors were completely gone! It's truly amazing what God can do.
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schultzw Tue, May 20, 2008 10:57:14am |
Sad news indeed...prayers are with him. I'm proud that us LGF folks haven't stooped to the level of some of our counterparts on the left, but let's not toot our own horns and be self-righteous.
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misfit138 Tue, May 20, 2008 10:57:40am |
Lost my mother and father-in-law to a brain tumor. Wouldn't even wish it on my worst enemy. This is a time where one pray for one of this country's leaders in his family's time of need - agree w/ his politcs or not.
Attn. Trolls from Kos or HuffPo: This is how to act like a grown up. Please note for future reference.
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Thanos Tue, May 20, 2008 10:57:47am |
Bleh,
Corrected link for Jerry Pournelle's journal
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realwest Tue, May 20, 2008 10:57:51am |
re: #196 ted Are you a doctor? More specifically, an oncologist or brain surgeon?
I'd humbly suggest that you read my #147 above.
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itellu3times Tue, May 20, 2008 10:57:56am |
re: #213 Tamron
Re energy, a trivial amount of government money could probably get the oil shale into production in a few years, not renewable but good for a couple of centuries, and it would nail oil prices well below $100/barrel for the next decade while we work on fancier stuff.
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formercorpsman Tue, May 20, 2008 10:57:59am |
This is sad.
Very sad.
No matter what, cancer knows no politics. It is an equal oppurtunist.
I wish him, and his family well. This will be difficult.
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galloping granny Tue, May 20, 2008 10:58:03am |
re: #196 ted
It can, but GBM's have at most an average of 14 months survival.
Probably the #1 thing that Ted has going for him right now is that he gets top of the line medical care so they caught this very early.
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patrickafir Tue, May 20, 2008 10:58:04am |
Jeez, poor guy. What a horrible tragedy for him and his family. I can only hope that he'll be as comfortable and in as good spirits as possible. I dislike his politics, but I salute him as one American to another. If I was a drinking man, I'd raise a glass of Chivas to the old bastard. Godspeed, Ted.
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Son of the Black Dog Tue, May 20, 2008 10:58:08am |
re: #185 DistantThunder
It's due to our advanced health care that we die from cancers and tend not to from flu and pneumonia, and other common things.
People should think about this before they go fooling around with our country's health care system. The system isn't as broken as some would have you believe, and many of the aspects that do create disfunction are the result of government interference in the process.
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JammieWearingFool Tue, May 20, 2008 10:58:25am |
I noted the other day on the Kennedy thread that I'd crossed paths with him several times on the Cape, and while we oviously have our disagreements, he's still a personable guy with a sense of humor. Politics oftens blinds us to the fact we're all human and have our faults.
Was with my mother that day and she still has fond memories of his brothers and had known both of them at various times back in the 60s. Ted reminds me quite a bit of one of my uncles, not necessarily politically, but they bear a resemblance and are the same age.
This is just another reminder of their mortality.
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Moody leo Tue, May 20, 2008 10:58:50am |
I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy. I've taken care of several patients with brain tumors or cancer and it isn't pretty. Praying for him and family.
Now we know what some of the trouble with speech he had, and the problems with balance.
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Lawrence Schmerel Tue, May 20, 2008 10:58:53am |
I hope Ted Kennedy will be okay.
(It would have to be the left side.)
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joecitizen Tue, May 20, 2008 10:59:38am |
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snowcrash Tue, May 20, 2008 10:59:49am |
"There but for the grace of God go I." Only kind thoughts and prayers for Ted and his family at this time.
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harrylook Tue, May 20, 2008 11:00:20am |
Perhaps others have mentioned it (I haven't read all comments yet), but though I disagree with Sen. Kennedy's politics, there is no denying he is a fantastic representative of the people of my state. It is easy to find people he has personally assisted over the years. In fact, it appears to be his mission in life.
I hope he pulls through, b/c the other guy - Just For Kerry as even Democrats know him around these parts - is useless.
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Endangered in MASS Tue, May 20, 2008 11:00:24am |
re: #221 lopped
The wannabe K-Mart Kennedy hack salons must already be circling like vultures yet not appear to be too macabre.
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JammieWearingFool Tue, May 20, 2008 11:00:43am |
re: #221 loppyd
Correct.
Were he to resign or die in office, state law requires a special election for the seat no sooner than 145 days and no later than 160 days after the vacancy occurs.
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loppyd Tue, May 20, 2008 11:00:54am |
re: #223 CapeCoddah
If the Governor of Massachusetts has to appoint someone to take the Senators seat, it will most assuredly be his nephew, Joe, who is Bobbys son.
Cadillac Deval will have no say. There would be a special election.
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Shug Tue, May 20, 2008 11:01:27am |
re: #147 realwest
I have to agree completely with this statement...and RW, you know I am in the know on these subjects.
I pray senator Kennedy has 1/10 the strength you have shown...and he will do well no matter what the outcome
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 20, 2008 11:01:27am |
re: #200 Vergeltung
well, you know what I mean. most sane people would wish ill on Hitler, Stalin, etc., to the list of the evil men of history. but that is the exception, not the rule.
additionally, here in sane LGF-land, notice no hate-filled bile thrown at the sick man. contrast that with what is seen on the LLL sites re ill conservatives, etc.
'nuff said.
I know what you meant, yes. I sometimes question the humanity of the real evil people.
Teddy is human. Flawed, which is part of being human, but I wouldn't say he deserves this. But then, I'm not the being doing the judging, and worse things have happened to far more innocent people.
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ted Tue, May 20, 2008 11:01:43am |
re: #231 realwest
Are you a doctor? More specifically, an oncologist or brain surgeon?
I'd humbly suggest that you read my #147 above.
I am a doctor.
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joecitizen Tue, May 20, 2008 11:01:48am |
"I gaze into the doorway of temptations angry flame,
and every time I pass that way I always hear my name.."
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alegrias Tue, May 20, 2008 11:01:49am |
Senator Kennedy has my respect for bravely trying to unseat the horrid President Carter during the democrats' presidential primaries in 1980.
Ted Kennedy tried to intervene & end the Carter Administration and our nation's long nightmare vis-a-vis Iran but failed to capture the nomination from Carter.
Teddy Kennedy tried to enact what his older brothers Jack or Robert might have tried to enact, had they lived.
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secretfire Tue, May 20, 2008 11:01:50am |
Lord have mercy on this man and heal him. Take all of the cancer away, every part, and give him a long and fruitful life.
There is something profoundly humbling about standing at the threshold of this life and what is beyond. Whatever the rightness or wrongness of our political beliefs, we are all fragile, stumbling creatures, with more folly than wisdom. May the good-hearted God of all mercy have compassion on all of us, including Ted Kennedy.
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eschew_obfuscation Tue, May 20, 2008 11:02:26am |
re: #213 Tamron
If this energy-shortage (caused by deliberately high prices) crap keeps up, then one of our biggest white elephant problems will be getting rid of all of the millions and millions of old V8 gas-guzzlers around the country. Over $100 to fill up the gas tank? Nobody wants 'em any more! Crush them all, and have Toyota turn them into electric cars?
What Say You...
.
The only thing 'deliberate' about gas prices is the tax that is levied on gas.
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Lightning_Man Tue, May 20, 2008 11:03:02am |
I add my sympathies to him and his family and I commend the lizard army for being the adults I've always known you are .
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lawhawk Tue, May 20, 2008 11:03:06am |
Since we're talking about political repercussions of Kennedy's ailment, consider that he is one of Obama's biggest backers. This is going to have an effect on what goes on with the nomination and back room dealings all the way to the convention and beyond. As a serious power broker, Kennedy was pushing Obama's candidacy in a big way. Now, it will be interesting to see who picks up the slack.
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Dr. Shalit Tue, May 20, 2008 11:03:09am |
At age 76, the stroke being a joke, but THE TUMOR - NO RUMOR, may G-d guide the hands of his physicians.
-S-
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Yankee Division Son Tue, May 20, 2008 11:03:19am |
While I've disagreed with Ted on just about every political issue, and voted against him every chance I've had, I would not wish this on anyone. My Dad died of an inoperable brain tumor, watching it was, in a word, horrific.
Thoughts and prayers to him, and especially to his family.
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NotTheMomma Tue, May 20, 2008 11:03:39am |
Pushing all I know and think about him to the side, I hope he recovers, and I wish him the best. Honest.
Having said that.
Can you imagine the hatred that would come out from the left blogosphere if this were anyone with an (R) next to their name?
I honestly can not find an unkind word about Mr. Kennedy on any conservative blog. None.
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joecitizen Tue, May 20, 2008 11:04:02am |
"I am hangimg in the balance of the reality of Man,
like every sparrow falling,like every grain of sand.."
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goforbroke Tue, May 20, 2008 11:04:03am |
I can't help think and picture the get together with the inlaws, namely Arnold! The Arnold says "It's not a toomma"!
On a serious note, I hope the Senator all the best.
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Nekama Tue, May 20, 2008 11:04:04am |
Regardless of whether we like their politics we should all wish the Kennedy family our sincerest prayers for recovery and peace.
They have given this country their best; the least we can do is wish them the same.
BTW, I'm proud of my fellow Lizards on this thread.
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galloping granny Tue, May 20, 2008 11:04:24am |
Is anyone besides me irritated by the Fox news coverage of this matter that keeps repeating Ted Kennedy's support for Obama? Almost seems like shilling for Obama to me.
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MilkOfMalfeasance Tue, May 20, 2008 11:04:40am |
re: #77 JammieWearingFool
Wiki can time travel. I have seen where they have rewritten history many many times.
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Endangered in MASS Tue, May 20, 2008 11:05:20am |
re: #250 alegrias
"Teddy Kennedy tried to enact what his older brothers Jack or Robert might have tried to enact, had they lived"
Bobby maybe. Jack no way.JFK was more conservative than most of the current Republican Congressman and Senators.
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pschne54 Tue, May 20, 2008 11:05:29am |
Just think if we had the socialized medical system Teddy wants us all to have (not for him ,of course). He might have to wait 6 months for his chemotherapy and radiation.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 20, 2008 11:05:37am |
re: #250 alegrias
Senator Kennedy has my respect for bravely trying to unseat the horrid President Carter during the democrats' presidential primaries in 1980.
Ted Kennedy tried to intervene & end the Carter Administration and our nation's long nightmare vis-a-vis Iran but failed to capture the nomination from Carter.
Teddy Kennedy tried to enact what his older brothers Jack or Robert might have tried to enact, had they lived.
I am not so sure I agree with your synopsis of Ted Kennedy's career. I think he moved far to the left of at least JFK's positions. As for trying to unseat Carter, I am not so sure if it was for personal or political reasons? And knowing how bad Carter was, why he would support Obama is beyond me.
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victor_yugo Tue, May 20, 2008 11:05:51am |
re: #247 Kosh's Shadow
Teddy is human. Flawed, which is part of being human, but I wouldn't say he deserves this.
He deserves it no more than we; we deserve it no less than he. We are all equally flawed.
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GGMac Tue, May 20, 2008 11:06:05am |
Separating politics from our common humanity, as we all teeter on the edge of unknown possibilities on our mortal trek: prayers for Teddy, and for those who love him...
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bolivar Tue, May 20, 2008 11:06:06am |
I lost my Dad to brain cancer so I know what he will be going thru. Most on this thread are far more charitable about Teddy than I can manage. He has done some disgraceful things and I just cannot say anything nice so I won't say anything other than I hope his family can find peace.
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loppyd Tue, May 20, 2008 11:06:08am |
re: #243 Endangered in MASS
The wannabe K-Mart Kennedy hack salons must already be circling like vultures yet not appear to be too macabre.
Short list of Dems:
Capuano
Tierney
Delahunt
Markey
Harshbarger
Tollman
Short list of Republicans
Bruce Tarr
Scott Brown
?
?
?
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jcm Tue, May 20, 2008 11:06:08am |
re: #221 loppyd
Did not know that, just assumed they all did the same thing.
That makes Teddy stepping down a little more problematic. Won't Swing the Senate, but will impact some committees.
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MarineMomSue Tue, May 20, 2008 11:06:20am |
re: #109 jcm
Varies by state. Some have incapacitation clauses others only death. Either case the governor selects a person to fill out the term to the next election for that seat. Mass. Gov. is a (D) so should Kennedy need to be replaced no ramifications for the Senate.
He is a super delegate, isn't he?
If he steps down from the Senate, does that effect his status as a super delegate?
Also does anybody know if a super delegate has to be physically present at the convention to cast his/her official vote?
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Just sayin... Tue, May 20, 2008 11:06:33am |
He may be a horrible old liberal whom I thoroughly with, but I wish the old guy well. Nobody deserves this. My prayers go out to Ted and his family.
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victor_yugo Tue, May 20, 2008 11:06:35am |
re: #263 goforbroke
I can't help think and picture the get together with the inlaws, namely Arnold! The Arnold says "It's not a toomma"!
I thought that was Kindergarten Cop, where he answered the oncologist's kid.
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loppyd Tue, May 20, 2008 11:07:17am |
re: #270 Endangered in MASS
"Teddy Kennedy tried to enact what his older brothers Jack or Robert might have tried to enact, had they lived"
Bobby maybe. Jack no way.JFK was more conservative than most of the current Republican Congressman and Senators.
Moonbats get very upset when presented with such facts.
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patriot62 Tue, May 20, 2008 11:07:36am |
I agree with Senator Kennedy on nothing, but I wish Senator Kennedy a complete and speedy recovery. Sad news indeed.
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monkey den Tue, May 20, 2008 11:07:58am |
Seriously, contrast the well wishes here with what you see from those psychos over at Kos. A whole different grade of person.
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wolfie Tue, May 20, 2008 11:08:02am |
re: #272 Nevergiveup
I am not so sure I agree with your synopsis of Ted Kennedy's career. I think he moved far to the left of at least JFK's positions. As for trying to unseat Carter, I am not so sure if it was for personal or political reasons? And knowing how bad Carter was, why he would support Obama is beyond me.
He opposed Carter from the left.
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Tricky Dick Tue, May 20, 2008 11:08:15am |
OT
Congress' Approval Rating Ties Lowest in Gallup Records
Thats' 11 points lower than Bush's rating.
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loppyd Tue, May 20, 2008 11:08:24am |
re: #277 jcm
Did not know that, just assumed they all did the same thing.
That makes Teddy stepping down a little more problematic. Won't Swing the Senate, but will impact some committees.
MA changed the law while Kerry was running for president because they were convinced Kerry would win and knew Mitt Romney would appoint a Republican.
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Kenneth Tue, May 20, 2008 11:08:33am |
Wow! What a contrast between the respectful comments here at LGF expressing sympathy and compassion for Ted Kennedy & his family as compared to the vile rants at Daily Kos when Cheney had heart trouble.
That says a lot.
I add my prayers for Senator Kennedy & his family.
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SusanL Tue, May 20, 2008 11:08:34am |
My prayers for his family. I may not care for his politics, but as said above, he is a fellow human and as such deserves our best wishes.
S
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ted Tue, May 20, 2008 11:08:36am |
re: #147 realwest
I'm very sorry to hear this news. I do wish the Senator the finest in treatment and the fullest possible recovery.
My sympathies to his family.
BTW, as someone who is also suffering from cancer (albeit a completely different type than Senator Kennedy's) I've done a TON of research on cancer in general and I have to say that regardless of what doctors who are not HIS doctors may say, cancer is different with everyone - even the same type of cancer in the same location. So any "guesses" or quotes from medical manuals are just that; whether, when and how well Senator Kennedy will recover are totally up to his doctors, himself and the Lord.
Good luck Senator Kennedy, and may the Lord be with you.
I agree totally with you rw, but GBM is tough. I have muscular dystrophy. My docs told me I wouldn't make 30. I'll be 53yo Thursday. We always keep hope alive. Every day is a gift
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ghost707 Tue, May 20, 2008 11:08:39am |
Read that he will be doing chemotherapy.
My father went through that before he died.
I feel for anyone that has to go through that.
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lurking faith Tue, May 20, 2008 11:08:46am |
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Grok the Fullness Tue, May 20, 2008 11:09:00am |
So, they'll try to move Patrick into his old man's spot?
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DanceswithElvis Tue, May 20, 2008 11:09:08am |
Poor man. I'd not wish this on anyone. Hopefully they can treat it and get rid of it.
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opnion Tue, May 20, 2008 11:09:19am |
re: #236 Son of the Black Dog
People should think about this before they go fooling around with our country's health care system. The system isn't as broken as some would have you believe, and many of the aspects that do create disfunction are the result of government interference in the process.
Good point. We have the finest medical delivery system in the world
Affordability is our issue. However if the system is nationalised it will actually cost more in total dollars.
Look at Canada , rationing and late year budgets being blown
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loppyd Tue, May 20, 2008 11:09:20am |
re: #292 Grok the Fullness
So, they'll try to move Patrick into his old man's spot?
Can't. He's not a MA resident.
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Eowyn2 Tue, May 20, 2008 11:09:36am |
re: #25 Shug
I need a new nickname.
Everybody thinks I'm a shehow about Brutus?
you're a pitbull?
you're a backstabber?
et tu?
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tonysdca Tue, May 20, 2008 11:09:49am |
re: #131 Shug
Yes, MD Anderson is where I would want to go in the case of the big CA
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Abu Al-Poopypants Tue, May 20, 2008 11:10:16am |
Out of deference to Ted I have removed the link to the photoshopped image that makes fun of him that I've been using as my LGF "web site" link for a few years.
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Endangered in MASS Tue, May 20, 2008 11:10:26am |
re: #276 loppyd
D- Joe Kennedy
Marty Meehan
R- Oganowski
Mittster- Although the backlash for abandoning us to Deval is considerable. At least for me anyway.
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realwest Tue, May 20, 2008 11:10:54am |
re: #289 ted I'm very sorry to hear that you have muscular dystrophy and couldn't agree more that every day is a gift.
I hope God continues to bless you and that you live to be 100!
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cod_is_great Tue, May 20, 2008 11:11:00am |
My daughter had a seizure last year. She turned out OK, but while she was being tested this was by far my biggest unspoken fear.
Best wishes.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 20, 2008 11:11:23am |
This is a real shame. My dad passed away from a brain tumor - six years ago today, as a matter of fact. Will keep Senator Jennedy in my prayers.
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cheesehead Tue, May 20, 2008 11:11:36am |
The prognosis is probably not good if it is a glioblastoma tumor. My Mom was taken to the hospital after having seizures at home, was diagnosed with a stage 4 glioblastoma tumor and died exactly 30 days after being admitted to the hospital. It's a very aggressive cancer. I wish him well.
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wolfie Tue, May 20, 2008 11:11:36am |
re: #285 Tricky Dick
OT
Congress' Approval Rating Ties Lowest in Gallup Records
Thats' 11 points lower than Bush's rating.
You can bet there won't be any headlines in the MSM about this! They are constantly telling Americans that everybody hates Bush...but they NEVER tell us everybody hates Congress even more.
Turn the page. Nothing to see here.
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harrylook Tue, May 20, 2008 11:11:37am |
re: #257 lawhawk
Since we're talking about political repercussions of Kennedy's ailment, consider that he is one of Obama's biggest backers. This is going to have an effect on what goes on with the nomination and back room dealings all the way to the convention and beyond. As a serious power broker, Kennedy was pushing Obama's candidacy in a big way. Now, it will be interesting to see who picks up the slack.
Good point, lawhawk. It might said that Kennedy's endorsement was what really pushed BHO ahead of Cackle. I don't think anyone can pick up the slack, but maybe it will create a sort of sympathy vote for BHO.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, May 20, 2008 11:11:47am |
re: #213 Tamron
What Say You...
I say that we should insist that the guys who start wars as geopolitical pet projects should take a direct stake in paying for them. Maybe then they wouldn't have bright ideas about blowing people up without thinking it through very carefully.
It should be pointed out to the Executives with their finger on the national trigger that it would actually save money in the long run to unhook from current energy policies. Unfortunately, Uranium miners don't have enough money to pay for Presidential Libraries.
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victor_yugo Tue, May 20, 2008 11:11:55am |
re: #290 ghost707
Read that he will be doing chemotherapy.
My father went through that before he died.I feel for anyone that has to go through that.
My mom went through it, and lived (although the chemo itself nearly killed her).
As she says repeatedly, it's a crap shoot. Your only option to stay in control is not to fight it; beyond that, it's a gamble.
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MikeMelb Tue, May 20, 2008 11:11:59am |
Oh dear, this is awful. I hope that he and family can come to terms with it and find some peace.
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Dahveed Tue, May 20, 2008 11:11:59am |
I am so sorry to hear this news. I certainly wish only the best for Senator Kennedy and his family. Like his politics or don't like his politics. I believe Senator Kennedy is a patriot and wants nothing but the best for his country. I hope in the time he has left he realizes he did make a difference.
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Sounder Tue, May 20, 2008 11:12:45am |
God Bless him and his family. I wish for the best.
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Logic Tue, May 20, 2008 11:12:50am |
What a frightening thing for anyone to have to face. I wish him courage and peace.
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Tigger2005 Tue, May 20, 2008 11:13:02am |
re: #157 realwest
Uh, you forgot the sarc tag there.
LOL my first deleted post EVER! Sorry Charles, just a lil tongue in cheek humor there.
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alegrias Tue, May 20, 2008 11:13:03am |
re: #270 Endangered in MASS
"Teddy Kennedy tried to enact what his older brothers Jack or Robert might have tried to enact, had they lived"
Bobby maybe. Jack no way.JFK was more conservative than most of the current Republican Congressman and Senators.
* * *
Who knows! Robert Kennedy worked with conservatives early on, but then became more liberal; Jack Kennedy may have been conservative as many hawkish dems were early on, but may have ended up liberal also. Or not.
Either way they all meant well.
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goforbroke Tue, May 20, 2008 11:13:06am |
Sorry for the small bit of levity in 263. Sheesh this is a tough crowd!
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SusanL Tue, May 20, 2008 11:13:10am |
My friend Nanci's daughter died from brain cancer. It was an awful, long, drawn out process that almost destroyed her family.
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mcclain Tue, May 20, 2008 11:13:12am |
A moment to consider the nature of the normative LGF reader (normative conservative) here -- over 300 posts thus far, and all expressing genuinely heartfelt care and compassion for the situation of a political advesary. Contrast w/ the vitroil we find on the other side. What be more telling...
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Wargalas Tue, May 20, 2008 11:13:20am |
Well I guess that explains why he supports Obama.
Now here comes the hate mail. :)
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ted Tue, May 20, 2008 11:13:26am |
re: #231 realwest
I admire you for your strength, intellect and toughness. You are an example and a gift to LGF.
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loppyd Tue, May 20, 2008 11:13:28am |
re: #300 Endangered in MASS
D- Joe Kennedy
Marty Meehan
R- Oganowski
Mittster- Although the backlash for abandoning us to Deval is considerable. At least for me anyway.
Marty must be agonizing now that he took that "job" at Umass.
Forgot about JOE 4 OIL. Sympathy vote.
Oganowski is already running against Kerry, though...
I thought about Mitt, but I think he would hold out to see if he gets the nod for VP from McCain
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turn Tue, May 20, 2008 11:13:54am |
Oh no, this is not good.
I've sure seen my share of brain tumors. There was, what I still believe to be true today, a cluster of brain tumors at the company I used to work for way back when in West Sacramento. Two of my immediate supervisors wasted away and died from them along with an office accountant and a shop worker. That's three men and one woman from the same plant.
I wouldn't be lying if I told you I have a little fear I could be next. The water in West Sac sucked big time, who knows what bad chemicals could have been in it. But I believe the cluster may have been due to exposure to some really bad chemicals being used in production back in the day. Guys used to wipe down units with MEK soaked rags all day long with no significant ventilation or respirators not to mention the vinyl glue and isocyanate's.
I surely hope this works out different for the Kennedy's than what I've experienced.
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wolfie Tue, May 20, 2008 11:13:59am |
re: #290 ghost707
Read that he will be doing chemotherapy.
My father went through that before he died.I feel for anyone that has to go through that.
I probably wouldn't bother.
But Teddy is a fighter, I think, so this doesn't surprise me.
I'm rooting for him.
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Lightning_Man Tue, May 20, 2008 11:14:12am |
re: #316 goforbroke
Sorry for the small bit of levity in 263. Sheesh this is a tough crowd!
Had a good friend of my wife's die of brain cancer. Hard to get a laugh in.
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ted Tue, May 20, 2008 11:14:17am |
re: #301 realwest
I'm very sorry to hear that you have muscular dystrophy and couldn't agree more that every day is a gift.
I hope God continues to bless you and that you live to be 100!
L'chaim! Same to you friend.
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joecitizen Tue, May 20, 2008 11:14:17am |
re: #255 Cygnus
Did you forget your sarc tag? You'd better have.
wasn't the sarcasm obvious in this case?
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crazytraveler Tue, May 20, 2008 11:14:28am |
That sucks that Kennedy has a brain tumor. Despite me thinking he's a lousy politician, I feel bad for him and his family. Hopefully the docs at Mass General will be able to treat him successfully.
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Fasternu426 Tue, May 20, 2008 11:14:43am |
I would rather him be tossed out by voters than to go like this. I pray he makes a miraculous recovery. Then gets tossed out by the voters.
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galloping granny Tue, May 20, 2008 11:14:44am |
re: #271 pschne54
Just think if we had the socialized medical system Teddy wants us all to have (not for him ,of course). He might have to wait 6 months for his chemotherapy and radiation.
If we had the socialized medicine that Canada has, Teddy would still be waiting to get the CAT that showed the tumor. Might still be waiting 6 months from . And then he would wait more to get the biopsy.
A dear friend up in CA had one of his friend's die of cancer under the Canadian medical system. Every single time he got to the top of the list for one thing, his condition had gone far beyond that so he had to go on still more lists. Went years like this for what started out to be a very treatable cancer. He didn't have enough $ to come to the US for treatment though. . .
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realwest Tue, May 20, 2008 11:14:57am |
re: #320 ted Thank you, but I'm not so sure about how tough I am or whether or not I'm a gift to LGF, but I do wish you the very best.
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eric Tue, May 20, 2008 11:15:12am |
I heard this in the car a little while ago and my first thpiugt was "Jeezz I hope he's OK"
My second thought was, if this were a republican, how many on the left would be cheering and hoping for his death?
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Tue, May 20, 2008 11:15:12am |
re: #291 lurking faith
Jerry Pournelle has brain cancer? I had no idea.
That stinks.
Yeah, I used to read the stuff he did with Niven all the time.
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alegrias Tue, May 20, 2008 11:15:43am |
re: #284 wolfie
He opposed Carter from the left.
* * *
I repeat, Teddy Kennedy will always have my respect for OPPOSING Carter, our worst president ever!
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MES41067 Tue, May 20, 2008 11:15:54am |
I didn't think I could but my heart truly goes out to him and wish him the best.
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rightside Tue, May 20, 2008 11:16:38am |
I am no medical expert but,
My first son had bilateral optic nerve glioma when he was born. We didn't find out until he was about 1 year of age though. It surrounded both his optic nerves and his optic chiasm. They were able to biopsy it, but it's location under the brain rendered it impossible to operate on.
No one would even consider it. We had some of the leading neurosurgeons of the country look at him, with no one even coming close to suggesting surgery. He was at Bethesda Naval Hospital where he was treated, and had Dr's. from Johns Hopkins look at him as well.
It was a low grade type glioma (grade 4 IIRC, could be wrong) so it was slow growing. He was treated with chemotherapy only. God called him home on Mothers Day, 1995.
That said, there are so many possibilities for treatment, but that all depends on what grade it is, it's location in the parietal lobe, etc. I am certain the best Dr's. will be thoroughly reviewing his case, and all the best options will be available.
Thank God we live in the greatest country on earth, with some of the brightest physicians among us. My thoughts and prayers go out to the Senator and his family at this time, despite my loathing of his politics.
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nikis-knight Tue, May 20, 2008 11:16:48am |
Brain injury/illness is the worst. I hope/pray he retains full functioning or as much as possible. Wouldn't wish that kind of trouble on my worst enemy (and badly misguided politicians aren't enemies in any real sense anyway.)
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realwest Tue, May 20, 2008 11:16:58am |
I do have to leave now. I just want to say that I'm not at all surprised that the comments here have been gracious and sympathetic to Senator Kennedy.
This is, after all, littlegreenfootballs.
Hope I have the chance to see you all down the road.
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Endangered in MASS Tue, May 20, 2008 11:16:58am |
re: #295 loppyd
It's the Kennedys Loppy. Rose had been petrified on Cape Cod for years prior to her death yet they still declared her a Florida resident to avoid the inheritence tax..
Which begs the question if she was a Florida resident how do they name the greenway after her?
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 20, 2008 11:16:59am |
C'mon folks. Charles seems busy deleting posts.
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somaking Tue, May 20, 2008 11:17:28am |
re: #335 somaking
But I hope he does not suffer. Cancer killed my Dad.
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turn Tue, May 20, 2008 11:17:49am |
re: #147 realwest
Kind of bouncing around trying to get caught up on this thread.
Good luck to you too Realwest!
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Rogue198 Tue, May 20, 2008 11:18:01am |
re: #322 song_and_dance_man
That post you quoted was deleted over an hour ago.
Your post will follow since it quotes the offensive remark.
So be it, it was still there since I hit the new comments button and not refresh screen., wasn't aware of it's deletion. My apologies Charles.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, May 20, 2008 11:18:14am |
JFK was the last nationally prominent Democrat who was worth a damn.
That said, even my politically aggessive father, who was a young working man during the Cuban Missile Crisis and saw all the Camelot media bullshit first-hand (who's first reaction to the assassination was "Wow, that was a good shot!"), just shrugged and said "Who knows what might have happened, had he lived?"
(Frankly I think Vietnam might have been over with sooner, with a victory instead of defeat, had Kennedy been in charge - assuming that he'd have had the guts to fire McNamara. The whole modern world would be different.)
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pilots wife Tue, May 20, 2008 11:18:14am |
My dad died of a glioblastoma 10 years ago. We had 9 weeks between diagnosis and death.
My prayers go out to Sen Kennedy and his family.
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FigJam Tue, May 20, 2008 11:18:26am |
I think its noteworthy to point out the very positive reactions here. Many, many comments wishing Sen. Kennedy well, despite profound political disagreements with him. I daresay there would be a somewhat different reaction on Kos or Huff Po had the news been about, say, Dick Cheney having a brain tumor.
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hailing frequencies open Tue, May 20, 2008 11:18:43am |
This is terrible news for the Senator and his family. Prayers for a full recovery, or for peace, love, and comfort if a recovery is not granted.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 20, 2008 11:19:03am |
re: #315 alegrias
* * *
Who knows! Robert Kennedy worked with conservatives early on, but then became more liberal; Jack Kennedy may have been conservative as many hawkish dems were early on, but may have ended up liberal also. Or not.
Either way they all meant well.
I would rather not over romanticize the Kennedy Legacy. I would hope all who serve in the Senate mean well, but there was a mean streak that often ran thru Kennedy politics, especially Bobbies. And I still resent some of the Nasty things Ted said about President Bush.
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jcm Tue, May 20, 2008 11:19:05am |
re: #286 loppyd
MA changed the law while Kerry was running for president because they were convinced Kerry would win and knew Mitt Romney would appoint a Republican.
The (D) created the super delegates after the McGovern fiasco. It sure looks like that's gonna' bite 'em on the ass, hard.
They fiddled with MA Senate succession, I wonder if they're going to regret that?
Symptomatic of (D)s, do something, and don't think the ramifications all the way through.
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alegrias Tue, May 20, 2008 11:19:09am |
re: #300 Endangered in MASS
D- Joe Kennedy
Marty Meehan
R- Oganowski
Mittster- Although the backlash for abandoning us to Deval is considerable. At least for me anyway.
* * *
Your wonderful former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney was on Fox & Friends this morning, now that's a presidential person I could salute for four years!
May Mitt Romney serve our country ably in any capacity in future, as the Kennedy family has tried to serve our country.
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ted Tue, May 20, 2008 11:19:22am |
re: #335 somaking
I will not miss him
That' a tacky thing to say. This is something you don't wish on your worst enemy. It brings terrible pain and suffering to him and his family.
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MacGregor Tue, May 20, 2008 11:19:30am |
oh jeez- this is how my father met his demise. Two years of anguish. Bless him and his family.
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victor_yugo Tue, May 20, 2008 11:19:49am |
re: #348 Rogue198
So be it, it was still there since I hit the new comments button and not refresh screen., wasn't aware of it's deletion. My apologies Charles.
"New Comments" also updates deleted posts.
Nice try, your consolation prize is over there.
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g3n3r1c Tue, May 20, 2008 11:19:52am |
Although I will never agree with what Sen. Kennedy stood for on most of his stances. God Speed on recovery and prayers to him and his family
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pegcity Tue, May 20, 2008 11:20:43am |
lets hope they can just remove it with no damage
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rogerskirk Tue, May 20, 2008 11:21:00am |
My prayers go out to Senator Kennedy and his family.
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loppyd Tue, May 20, 2008 11:21:05am |
re: #355 jcm
The (D) created the super delegates after the McGovern fiasco. It sure looks like that's gonna' bite 'em on the ass, hard.
They fiddled with MA Senate succession, I wonder if they're going to regret that?
Symptomatic of (D)s, do something, and don't think the ramifications all the way through.
They also fiddled with the pledged delegates and thanks to Jessie Jackson have a proportionate system.
If they had winner take all like most of the Republican primaries, Hillary would be the nominee.
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sffilk Tue, May 20, 2008 11:21:36am |
If it's G-D's will, may Senator Kennedy have a full recovery. If not, may he live comfortably.
Prayers go out to the Kennedy clan.
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Eowyn2 Tue, May 20, 2008 11:21:45am |
re: #305 wolfie
these polls suck
they never say WHY the approval rating is low
"Excuse me, do you think Bush is doing a good job"
Moonbat "No"
Conservative "No"
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Endangered in MASS Tue, May 20, 2008 11:22:04am |
re: #321 loppyd
Oganowski is already running against Kerry, though
True dat but who would you rather face..Live shot or likes if Delahunt Capuano the capo .. or Fast Eddy Markey.
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ted Tue, May 20, 2008 11:22:05am |
re: #361 Robert Schwartz
This is not revenge. To suggest is irresponsible.
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galloping granny Tue, May 20, 2008 11:22:28am |
re: #332 realwest
Thank you, but I'm not so sure about how tough I am or whether or not I'm a gift to LGF, but I do wish you the very best.
You are tough realwest. And you are a gift to everyone who knows you.
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loppyd Tue, May 20, 2008 11:22:55am |
re: #371 Endangered in MASS
Oganowski is already running against Kerry, though
True dat but who would you rather face..Live shot or likes if Delahunt Capuano the capo .. or Fast Eddy Markey.
Good point...
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SagamoreGal Tue, May 20, 2008 11:23:10am |
Ted Sr has always been a rock for Caroline and Ethel and her children and grandchildren. May their prayers comfort them all over the next weeks/months.
Cancer SUCKS!
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Rogue198 Tue, May 20, 2008 11:23:54am |
re: #362 victor_yugo
"New Comments" also updates deleted posts.
Nice try, your consolation prize is over there.
It was there sir when I hit new comments, hit quote, was distracted by work, you know, that thing some of us have to do, came back to the lounge and finished my post.
Charles has taken care of it and I gave my apologies. If you want to continue being an jerk about it, feel free.
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Eowyn2 Tue, May 20, 2008 11:24:02am |
re: #315 alegrias
* * *
Who knows! Robert Kennedy worked with conservatives early on, but then became more liberal; Jack Kennedy may have been conservative as many hawkish dems were early on, but may have ended up liberal also. Or not.
Either way they all meant well.
good intentions are not reality based.
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ted Tue, May 20, 2008 11:24:03am |
re: #373 galloping granny
You are tough realwest. And you are a gift to everyone who knows you.
Exactly. I could not agree more, gg!
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keithgabryelski Tue, May 20, 2008 11:24:09am |
My family's thoughts are with you and yours, Senator.
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Julio Jurenito Tue, May 20, 2008 11:24:16am |
Whenever there is talk about cancer survival statistics, I recommend this article by Stephen Jay Gould: "The Median Is Not the Message".
[Link: www.cancerguide.org...]
Julio
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Yishai Tue, May 20, 2008 11:24:33am |
You know what I love about the lizardoid community? Charles can put up a post about a Senator who extremely apposed to what LGF stands for, and not worry about inhuman jibes and insensitive remarks about his health. Many other blogs do not have that peace of mind, and must shut down comments.
I'm proud to hang out here!
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galloping granny Tue, May 20, 2008 11:24:36am |
Re #361, somebody please go ding that down for me. I accidentally hit the wrong button.
to the author of that post- just who do YOU think you are to pass judgement on Teddy for that? Someday he will face his creator, just like we all will, and he will answer himself for his own actions, good and bad.
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zonkerharris Tue, May 20, 2008 11:24:39am |
Concur with the above comment that Duke is at the cutting edge with GBM. Also suggest that doctors attempt experimental therapy utilizing the endogenous antiangiogenesis inhibitors endostatin (ES) plus angiostatin (AS) at the same time at therapeutic dosages administered continuously. ES plus AS together cured every form of cancer in mice back in 1997 in Judah Folkman's famous Nature study. It's a shame that ES plus AS have never been tried together in humans to this day.
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Tue, May 20, 2008 11:24:40am |
re: #370 Eowyn2
these polls suck
they never say WHY the approval rating is low"Excuse me, do you think Bush is doing a good job"
Moonbat "No"
Conservative "No"
True, like the questions on the war as well.
"Do you agree with the way the war has been run?"
Moonbat; "No, we need to pull out all our forces now"
Conservative "No, we need to hit them harder and start going after Iran and Syria"
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ArmyWife Tue, May 20, 2008 11:25:19am |
re: #361 Robert Schwartz
That isn't necessary now. We all know the history, perhaps you will reconsider this and its appropriateness for this particular forum.
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NY Nana Tue, May 20, 2008 11:25:33am |
Info from WHDH TV,Boston on Sen. Kennedy's diagnosis, etc..
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zeir Tue, May 20, 2008 11:25:40am |
I want to second that the compassion showed by 99+% of posters reflects well on everybody...
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Consumer Tue, May 20, 2008 11:26:07am |
It warms my heart to see such positive support for a political opponent; such support is almost never reciprocated from across the aisle under similar terms.
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turn Tue, May 20, 2008 11:26:09am |
re: #361 Robert Schwartz
Tasteless comment. If you've seen the suffering this tragedy can bring you would self sensor your own post Schwartz.
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Creeping Eruption Tue, May 20, 2008 11:26:21am |
re: #383 galloping granny
Too late. Post deleted.
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Dan G. Tue, May 20, 2008 11:26:22am |
Good luck senator. Hopefully its operable and that not too much fucntion is lost.
For the curious:
The Parietal Lobe
Hey, lurking fuck-head mobies, if you are so certain in the correctness of your position and that this site is full of biggoted assholes, why do you need to fabricate evidence?
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alegrias Tue, May 20, 2008 11:26:28am |
re: #354 Nevergiveup
I would rather not over romanticize the Kennedy Legacy. I would hope all who serve in the Senate mean well, but there was a mean streak that often ran thru Kennedy politics, especially Bobbies. And I still resent some of the Nasty things Ted said about President Bush.
* * *
I;m not over-romanticizing, trust me--McCain's family has said nasty things about Pres. Bush I & II that I heard first hand. Maybe it's an inter-dynastic family rivalry issue, these families who've been powerful, presidential or presidential wannabes.
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Land Shark Tue, May 20, 2008 11:26:29am |
A brain tumor? Man, what a bummer. My prayers are with Senator Kennedy and his family. I may not agree on anything with him, and I'm well aware of what he did to poor Mary Jo Kopechne, but having lost dear relatives to cancer I know what he and his family are going through. It's a terrible thing. He's a human being, and I hope God has mercy on him.
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mean Gene Tue, May 20, 2008 11:26:42am |
Malignant.
That's not good.
Prayers for him and his family.
They say chemo and radiation are the usual courses in cases like this.
I hope they don't open him up...at his age that's got to be a bad idea.
But I know he and his family are making informed decisions.
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rubix Tue, May 20, 2008 11:26:49am |
Way to go LGF! I am so happy that this post isn't riddled with comments deriding Mr. Kennedy. Can you imagine what the Kos kids would say if such a diagnosis were to befall President Bush?
Our prayers are with you Mr. Kennedy. May you have a speedy and complete recovery -- refuah shlema.
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Carolyn Tue, May 20, 2008 11:27:09am |
re: #375 SagamoreGal
Yes it does.
I have lost so many family members to cancer.
I know there has been progress made in the cure for cancer, but not enough.
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GGMac Tue, May 20, 2008 11:27:22am |
re: #289 ted
I agree totally with you rw, but GBM is tough. I have muscular dystrophy. My docs told me I wouldn't make 30. I'll be 53yo Thursday. We always keep hope alive. Every day is a gift
53 with MD - you are a walking miracle, and heretofore you are onto the daily prayer list, along with realwest - in the hope that you both continue to grace the citizens of LGF with your presence.
And...HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
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Cygnus Tue, May 20, 2008 11:27:37am |
re: #358 ted
That' a tacky thing to say. This is something you don't wish on your worst enemy. It brings terrible pain and suffering to him and his family.
That post was deleted. Good work, Charles.
Thank God I decided not wear my "I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than ask Ted Kennedy for a ride" shirt today. There's nothing funny about any of this.
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Creeping Eruption Tue, May 20, 2008 11:27:52am |
re: #398 rubix
Way to go LGF! I am so happy that this post isn't riddled with comments deriding Mr. Kennedy. Can you imagine what the Kos kids would say if such a diagnosis were to befall President Bush?
Our prayers are with you Mr. Kennedy. May you have a speedy and complete recovery -- refuah shlema.
The KOS Kiddies would say something like this:
" . . .I don't wish ill on anyone, but I am so darn sad and angry. Why Senator Kennedy? I can only hope some Karma will visit BushCo and the people who most deserve punishment for the terrible deeds and deaths they've caused to have their day in court."
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Silhouette Tue, May 20, 2008 11:28:05am |
re: #385 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
True, like the questions on the war as well.
"Do you agree with the way the war has been run?"
Moonbat; "No, we need to pull out all our forces now"
Conservative "No, we need to hit them harder and start going after Iran and Syria"
Passed a business with "PEACE IN IRAQ NOW" in the window. I smiled and said to my family, "We working on it. We're killing the bad guys as fast as we can."
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 20, 2008 11:28:11am |
Kerry wants us to let the Kennedy family have privacy, but he sure beat a fast path to the microphone?
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Charles Tue, May 20, 2008 11:28:15am |
Please note: if you can't express sympathy, or be respectful, your best course is to simply not post anything.
Think before you post, because I'm very serious about keeping this thread decent. Several people have had accounts blocked already because they couldn't refrain from abusing their posting privileges.
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Endangered in MASS Tue, May 20, 2008 11:28:19am |
re: #378 Eowyn2
Isn't there road to a hot place that's paved with good intentions?
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markie Tue, May 20, 2008 11:29:00am |
Cancer is a bitch and shows no favoritism. Hope he can enjoy a little comfort during this time.
Maybe he'll get well enough to start a blog. We can visit, exchange ideas and derisive diatribe.
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indythinker Tue, May 20, 2008 11:29:05am |
Best wishes to Senator Kennedy and his family. I hope he has a comfortable course of treatment. Get well soon, and come back strong, Ted!
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Thanos Tue, May 20, 2008 11:29:16am |
re: #291 lurking faith
Jerry Pournelle has brain cancer? I had no idea.
That stinks.
Yes it does, but he's handling it superbly. His journal the past few months has been inspirational, and he appears to be recovering well. His biggest frustrations right now are his general malaise from recovery (he's a dyed in the wool type-A workaholic,) and his at times fumbling speech.
Another notable who's also recovering from cancer is Virginia Postrel, ex-editor at Reason from when it was worth reading.
[Link: dynamist.com...]
(she's also looking for a good web-designer who understands fashion and Glamour if any lizards are interested.)
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Cygnus Tue, May 20, 2008 11:29:37am |
re: #382 Yishai
You know what I love about the lizardoid community? Charles can put up a post about a Senator who extremely apposed to what LGF stands for, and not worry about inhuman jibes and insensitive remarks about his health. Many other blogs do not have that peace of mind, and must shut down comments.
I'm proud to hang out here!
Me too. Lizard Nation is a class act all the way.
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ghost707 Tue, May 20, 2008 11:29:48am |
re: #308 victor_yugo
My mom went through it, and lived (although the chemo itself nearly killed her).
As she says repeatedly, it's a crap shoot. Your only option to stay in control is not to fight it; beyond that, it's a gamble.
I think within the next few decades the medical community will figure out a way to make cancer benign.
That will be a great day for mankind.
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markie Tue, May 20, 2008 11:30:06am |
re: #382 Yishai
There have been a few that have tripped up, but not many.
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Diamond Bullet Tue, May 20, 2008 11:30:06am |
Awful news. I disagree with almost everything he stands for, but respect his right to say it. Hope he pulls through - the silver lining is that there has never been a better time in the entire history of mankind to get cancer. People survive now what were automatic death sentences even 20 years ago.
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looking closely Tue, May 20, 2008 11:30:29am |
The prognosis for glioblastoma multiforme is miserable.
There is no effective treatment, and most patients have under a year to live after the dx is made (many a lot less than that).
The teensy silver lining to this very black cloud is that by the time the end comes, most patients don't know what's happening any more.
Lower grade gliomas have correspondingly longer survival times, but the prognoses are still bad. Radiation can slow things a little there.
There is no good outcome here.
Best wishes to Kennedy's family.
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secretfire Tue, May 20, 2008 11:30:31am |
re: #31 buzzsawmonkey
One may dislike Ted Kennedy's politics; one may joke about his fondness for the grape. One may deeply despise his behavior in, and the handling of, the Chappaquiddick incident.
But it is tragic that he should have to experience this. May he have a refuah shelema (a complete healing).
"Refuah shlema" is a beautiful phrase. Here is a picture. [Link: dubiquilts.blogspot.com...]
I wholeheartedly agree with your prayer.
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azdavesoulsearcher Tue, May 20, 2008 11:30:57am |
I wish the best for Senator Kennedy and his family. Whatever the politics, there should be compassion for human suffering.
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Robert Schwartz Tue, May 20, 2008 11:31:10am |
"That isn't necessary now. We all know the history, perhaps you will reconsider this and its appropriateness for this particular forum."
This is not his wake, it is the internet.
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jamfish Tue, May 20, 2008 11:31:31am |
One minute I was harping and cutting Ted down to size; utterly disliked his politics. Now this happens and my heart aches for this man and his family. Positively aches.
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mean Gene Tue, May 20, 2008 11:31:33am |
The radio personality Al Rantel (sp?) is coming back to the radio next week after cancer.
He's been gone too long.
As we baby boomers age we're going to be seeing more and more of those we know, admire, care about getting hit by this scourge.
It is so sad.
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Fasternu426 Tue, May 20, 2008 11:31:48am |
re: #388 zeir
I want to second that the compassion showed by 99+% of posters reflects well on everybody...
Agreed! Many of us would pounce on liberal ideas and beliefs and tear them to pieces unmercifully. But not so for the person that believes them. Kennedy is what he is, but he is a human and an American. The left may have prayed and screeched for Cheney to die when he went in for a heart problem, but that just shows how shallow their beliefs really are. Ted Kennedy and his family will be in my prayers. I don't hate Ted Kennedy, I wholeheartedly disagree with him. I can dislike what someone believes without hating them, that is the difference between the left and the right.
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Eowyn2 Tue, May 20, 2008 11:32:11am |
re: #384 zonkerharris
Concur with the above comment that Duke is at the cutting edge with GBM. Also suggest that doctors attempt experimental therapy utilizing the endogenous antiangiogenesis inhibitors endostatin (ES) plus angiostatin (AS) at the same time at therapeutic dosages administered continuously. ES plus AS together cured every form of cancer in mice back in 1997 in Judah Folkman's famous Nature study. It's a shame that ES plus AS have never been tried together in humans to this day.
back in the late 70s, a good friend of my brother became a human test subject for cancer. He took every medication possible. His cancer would go into remission, come out of remission and on and on. He died about 1980 at the age of 24. When we think of the great strides that have been made in the last 30 years regarding radiation, chemo and laser, let us not forget the thousands of people who never gave up hope that a cure could, eventually, be found and spent their dying days so that others might live. There is no hall of fame, no wall, no monument to those brave people.
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alegrias Tue, May 20, 2008 11:32:19am |
re: #378 Eowyn2
good intentions are not reality based.
* * *
A person's good intentions are some measure of character, not all.
True, I'm not happy Senator Kennedy tried to undercut Reagan's attempt to bankrupt the USSR by reaching out to Yuri Andropov, but Kennedy failed, and Reagan toppled the USSR.
Still, Massachusetts voters must have their reasons for keeping Senator Kennedy in office, and good intentions may be one of them.
My last tv image of Teddy Kennedy was his lusty singing of farm labor songs in horrible Spanish at an Obama rally (ultimately Hillary won in Massachusetts).
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drewberto Tue, May 20, 2008 11:32:36am |
re: #419 drewberto
i didnt see charles post there. sorry for making light of the guys tribulations i hope gets better but i also hope he retires.
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markie Tue, May 20, 2008 11:32:53am |
re: #414 looking closely
There have been strides made getting medications across the brain-blood barrier. Maybe Teddy will benefit.
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Tue, May 20, 2008 11:33:21am |
re: #403 Silhouette
Passed a business with "PEACE IN IRAQ NOW" in the window. I smiled and said to my family, "We working on it. We're killing the bad guys as fast as we can."
I get to drive by a moonbat house every day. They've got 2 huge signs in the front yard, "End the War now" and "Who would Jesus bomb?".
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ted Tue, May 20, 2008 11:33:35am |
re: #400 GGMac
53 with MD - you are a walking miracle, and heretofore you are onto the daily prayer list, along with realwest - in the hope that you both continue to grace the citizens of LGF with your presence.
And...HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
Tell me about it. Thx so much ! But I ain't walking, I'm rolling.. !
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Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, May 20, 2008 11:33:41am |
re: #407 markie
Cancer is a bitch and shows no favoritism. Hope he can enjoy a little comfort during this time.
Maybe he'll get well enough to start a blog. We can visit, exchange ideas and derisive diatribe.
That would be something.
I suppose if there's any one guy I'd want to get into a drunken fight with in stereotypical Irish tradition, it would be Ted Kennedy. Think of the story your spouse could tell. "Kids, do you want to hear about the time daddy had too much to drink and got into a fist-fight with a famous Senator?"
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loppyd Tue, May 20, 2008 11:34:47am |
As someone who has a loved one who was recently diagnosed with cancer, had major surgery and is facing chemo, I find no joy whatsoever in Kennedy's diagnosis.
It is no secret that I have never been a fan of his or the rest of the Kennedy Clan, but I do extend my sympathies to his wife and children and hope that he does not suffer.
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galloping granny Tue, May 20, 2008 11:34:54am |
Just said on Fox that the tumor is inoperable and that makes the prognosis unfavorable.
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Skeptical Patriot Tue, May 20, 2008 11:35:04am |
The class of this thread is why I'm a proud reader of this site.
SP
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bill in tx Tue, May 20, 2008 11:35:11am |
The Democrats were already spinning this to their advantage on Saturday. On Fox News, the anchor asked the guest, a "Democratic Strategist" (don't remember who) that since Sen. Kennedy is an Obama supporter, if this would affect the Presidential race. The "Democratic Strategist" replied: "I don't want to get into politics..." (OK, I'm thinking, good answer) "...but I think this will give many people second thoughts about voting for someone as old as John McCain."
My jaw hit the floor. Despicable. They do indeed eat their young.
To Sen. Kennedy -- Make it a glorious sunset!
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bald headed geek Tue, May 20, 2008 11:35:27am |
I may agree with Senator Kennedy on virtually nothing, but I wish him nothing but a speedy and complete recovery. I know all too well the havoc that the evil illness of cancer can wreak on a person, having lost both my parents, one of my aunts, and one of my grandfathers to it.
BHG
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 20, 2008 11:35:34am |
I have been hearing that Obama was gong to declare a victory of sorts tonight after winning Oregon. I wonder if he has the sensitivity to keep his yap shut tonight?
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g3n3r1c Tue, May 20, 2008 11:35:37am |
re: #435 galloping granny
Just said on Fox that the tumor is inoperable and that makes the prognosis unfavorable.
That is truly horrible news for the Kennedy Family
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Pullus Iulius Tue, May 20, 2008 11:35:40am |
My thoughts and prayers are with the Senator and his family. I know I am joined by many. We live in an age of miracles.
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Atweber Tue, May 20, 2008 11:35:41am |
Do any of you liz's remember where you were when his bro JF was shot? I was in class in high school as a freshman in world history with a Mrs. Clemenshaw.
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Eowyn2 Tue, May 20, 2008 11:35:47am |
re: #385 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
we are in concensus.
Your approval rating is 99%
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ted Tue, May 20, 2008 11:35:51am |
re: #401 Cygnus
That post was deleted. Good work, Charles.
Thank God I decided not wear my "I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than ask Ted Kennedy for a ride" shirt today. There's nothing funny about any of this.
I lived through this with my mom for 9 months. It was hell.
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wolfie Tue, May 20, 2008 11:35:58am |
re: #370 Eowyn2
these polls suck
they never say WHY the approval rating is low"Excuse me, do you think Bush is doing a good job"
Moonbat "No"
Conservative "No"
Absolutely! Great point!
I have great fun with sufferers of BDS where that is concerned. They start off on their usual rants, and I jump right in blasting Bush for things like No Child Left Behind or the prescription drug benefit, big-spending, getting too many low-income people totally off the tax rolls with his tax cuts, failure to cut corporate tax rates down to European levels, squishiness on domestic Wahabis, etc.
It's always fun to do this just to see the moonbat smiles turn to utter consternation when they realize the agree with Bush more than with me!
I dare say that no moonbat w/ whom I've played this card has ever brought up BDS in my presence. !
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turn Tue, May 20, 2008 11:36:22am |
re: #435 galloping granny
Just said on Fox that the tumor is inoperable and that makes the prognosis unfavorable.
Oh no, not good.
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BackwardsBoy Tue, May 20, 2008 11:36:34am |
My prayers go out to Senator Kennedy and his family. It's good to see this is the overarching theme of these comments.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, May 20, 2008 11:36:48am |
re: #429 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I get to drive by a moonbat house every day. They've got 2 huge signs in the front yard, "End the War now" and "Who would Jesus bomb?".
I always find it funny when anti-war types try to bring Jesus into politics. Isn't the existence of a Christofascist Theocracy a pre-requisite for even being able to ask that question?
For that matter, the answer might be surprising. We are talking about a guy who said "Render unto Caesar", etc. and died because he tried to start a riot on a politically sensitive holiday.
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Cygnus Tue, May 20, 2008 11:36:54am |
re: #437 bill in tx
The Democrats were already spinning this to their advantage on Saturday. On Fox News, the anchor asked the guest, a "Democratic Strategist" (don't remember who) that since Sen. Kennedy is an Obama supporter, if this would affect the Presidential race. The "Democratic Strategist" replied: "I don't want to get into politics..." (OK, I'm thinking, good answer) "...but I think this will give many people second thoughts about voting for someone as old as John McCain."
My jaw hit the floor. Despicable. They do indeed eat their young.
To Sen. Kennedy -- Make it a glorious sunset!
Bastards.
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Silhouette Tue, May 20, 2008 11:37:06am |
re: #440 song_and_dance_man
It also happens to not be your blog.
It reminds me of the good advice, "Never tell a judge, 'You can't *do* that.' "
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Cygnus Tue, May 20, 2008 11:37:34am |
re: #440 song_and_dance_man
It also happens to not be your blog.
So STFU.
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markie Tue, May 20, 2008 11:37:53am |
re: #435 galloping granny
Just said on Fox that the tumor is inoperable and that makes the prognosis unfavorable.
Damn.
May he rest well, stay home, and dream of large women.
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Eowyn2 Tue, May 20, 2008 11:38:11am |
re: #406 Endangered in MASS
Isn't there road to a hot place that's paved with good intentions?
that's what I hear. But daddy used to say "never believe anything you hear and only half of what you see"
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Exdamyankee Tue, May 20, 2008 11:38:15am |
As much as I positively despised the man on a purely political level--as much as I believe he personifies what is wrong with the "political class" in this country--and as much as I believe his absence from US politics would be a benefit to US policy as a whole-- this is sorry news indeed.
The Kennedy family has endured much pain over the years. So many of them were taken in the prime of their lives. I feel for them, and pray for the senator's healing, with as much fervor as I have prayed for his defeat at the polls. May he recover fully, and live a long and happy life in retirement.
It occurs to me as I read the comments, how different a place this is, and what a different caliber of human being there is among the LGF community, in comparison to the average cesspool moonbat blog. Imagine the reaction should a prominant GOPer be similarly stricken.
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CIA Reject Tue, May 20, 2008 11:38:37am |
re: #433 Pawn of the Oppressor
Don't know about fist fights, but I do have an aunt who called Henry Ford a "son of a bitch" - in person, to his face.
/She was 11 years old at the time...
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MandyManners Tue, May 20, 2008 11:38:47am |
re: #435 galloping granny
Just said on Fox that the tumor is inoperable and that makes the prognosis unfavorable.
Ah, nutz.
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galloping granny Tue, May 20, 2008 11:38:58am |
re: #445 Atweber
Do any of you liz's remember where you were when his bro JF was shot? I was in class in high school as a freshman in world history with a Mrs. Clemenshaw.
I was also in class - watching it live on TV. Our school always went to great lengths to make sure we saw things like space missions and local-ish appearances of presidents and other notables.
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loppyd Tue, May 20, 2008 11:38:58am |
re: #445 Atweber
Do any of you liz's remember where you were when his bro JF was shot? I was in class in high school as a freshman in world history with a Mrs. Clemenshaw.
I hadn't been born yet.
I'm a member of the 'do you remember where you were when the space shuttle exploded?' generation.
Oh and it was sophomore year in Mrs. MacDonald's French class.
LOL
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Chris in Toronto Tue, May 20, 2008 11:39:20am |
This same thing got my grandmother, so I feel the family's pain. My heart goes out to them.
Wikipedia's Ted Kennedy citation has already been updated to reflect his diagnosis, btw. I can't provide a link, sorry: got there through an Apple Spotlight(?) search. It's near the top of the Health section.
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johnm Tue, May 20, 2008 11:39:42am |
Awful news. Right or wrong, he's dedicated most of his life serving the American public and all of his countrymen should keep him and his family in their thoughts. Good luck, Senator.
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Abu Lahab Tue, May 20, 2008 11:39:48am |
I love LGF.
Lizards are the best crowed to be among. Most reactions one sees here tell a lot.
Get well, Senator
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MandyManners Tue, May 20, 2008 11:40:10am |
re: #458 Exdamyankee
Imagine the reaction should a prominant GOPer be similarly stricken.
Remember the way Huffpost reacted to Tony Snow's cancer?
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bald headed geek Tue, May 20, 2008 11:40:25am |
re: #447 ted
I definitely feel your pain. Been there, done that with BOTH parents. Cancer is evil, plain and simple.
BHG
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Tue, May 20, 2008 11:40:35am |
re: #462 loppyd
I hadn't been born yet.
I'm a member of the 'do you remember where you were when the space shuttle exploded?' generation.
Oh and it was sophomore year in Mrs. MacDonald's French class.
LOL
I was in my junior high English class.
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Eowyn2 Tue, May 20, 2008 11:40:49am |
re: #445 Atweber
Do any of you liz's remember where you were when his bro JF was shot? I was in class in high school as a freshman in world history with a Mrs. Clemenshaw.
I was 5 (or 4 3/4) so I'm guessing I was home. No kindergarten for Parochial schoolers.
When Bobby was shot, I was in school. We even got out of school when his motorcade drove through on its way to CA.
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nyc redneck Tue, May 20, 2008 11:40:50am |
re: #441 Nevergiveup
I have been hearing that Obama was gong to declare a victory of sorts tonight after winning Oregon. I wonder if he has the sensitivity to keep his yap shut tonight?
some one will have to suggest it to him. i'm sure. (probably won't be his classy wife.)
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markie Tue, May 20, 2008 11:40:51am |
re: #466 MandyManners
I'd still like to drop a turd in someone's pocket over there.
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really grumpy big dog Johnson Tue, May 20, 2008 11:40:58am |
It would be interesting to know the usernames of the seven people who've had their posts deleted.
There's something wrong with those folks...
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Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, May 20, 2008 11:41:06am |
re: #459 CIA Reject
Don't know about fist fights, but I do have an aunt who called Henry Ford a "son of a bitch" - in person, to his face.
/She was 11 years old at the time...
If she's still with us, please thank her for me.
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Creeping Eruption Tue, May 20, 2008 11:41:14am |
re: #468 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Home sick from 8th grade myself
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galloping granny Tue, May 20, 2008 11:41:18am |
re: #463 Chris in Toronto
This same thing got my grandmother, so I feel the family's pain. My heart goes out to them.
Wikipedia's Ted Kennedy citation has already been updated to reflect his diagnosis, btw. I can't provide a link, sorry: got there through an Apple Spotlight(?) search. It's near the top of the Health section.
Ted Kennedy's mother also died of a brain tumor.
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littleben Tue, May 20, 2008 11:41:44am |
I am a relative newcomer to this blog but I am awestruck at the civility and humanity expressed by the bloggers about a man who had his share of controversy and was a political adversary of most of us.
We all know what the Left blogs would look like if this happened to a conservative senator.
I also wish to share with the rest of you something surprising I heard from the personal assistant to a great Rebbe who said about John Kennedy that he was to be considered on of the Righteous of The Nations. I can't say for sure that this extended to Ted also, but he was a friend of the Jewish People and Israel.
May he have a speedy recovery.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 20, 2008 11:41:46am |
re: #472 really grumpy big dog Johnson
Just click the football, and you can see the profile.
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mean Gene Tue, May 20, 2008 11:41:47am |
re: #456 markie
Damn.
May he rest well, stay home, and dream of large women.
Wouldn't that be your hope for Bill Clinton?
Love the Princess Bride.
My dear hubby has seen it one too many times.
He can quote just about the entire thing.
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MilkOfMalfeasance Tue, May 20, 2008 11:41:51am |
The Lizard Nation is a class act, and forgive me if this is nit picky, but IMO: starting every comment with something like "I don't agree with anything he did, but..." seems kind of back handed to me. This really has nothing to do with politics in my book. This is empathy for another human and nothing more. Clearly there will be people out there who will try to make a political play with this, but I can tell you that no one in the Kennedy house is thinking much about politics right now. I think we can help give them strength by doing the same.
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MandyManners Tue, May 20, 2008 11:41:59am |
re: #471 markie
I'd still like to drop a turd in someone's pocket over there.
I shouldn't be laughing on such a somber thread but, I am.
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markie Tue, May 20, 2008 11:42:06am |
re: #445 Atweber
Do any of you liz's remember where you were when his bro JF was shot? I was in class in high school as a freshman in world history with a Mrs. Clemenshaw.
Cafeteria in grade school. Ruined lunch and we all went home like when Cuba heated up.
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looking closely Tue, May 20, 2008 11:42:12am |
re: #381 Julio Jurenito
Whenever there is talk about cancer survival statistics, I recommend this article by Stephen Jay Gould: "The Median Is Not the Message".
[Link: www.cancerguide.org...]
Julio
With due respect to Gould, his diagnosis of mesothelioma was most likely incorrect; the ability to make that diagnosis was much less 20 years ago. Nowadays there is a recognized benign mesothelial cell tumor.
The median may be just an "average" but if you look at the RANGE, survival of over 2 years with REAL glioblastoma is virtually unheard of. Kennedy's best bet is that the diagnosis is wrong. . .and I'll bet cash money that every neuropathologist at MGH pored over that slide, and these guys are among the best brain pathologists in the world.
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Endangered in MASS Tue, May 20, 2008 11:42:18am |
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Dad O' Blondes Tue, May 20, 2008 11:42:20am |
While the job is good and it pays for plenty, including extravagances that my parents never enjoyed, I have my moments.
There are plenty of days which just suck, and dealing with the nuts I have to can take the fun out of life. There are times, probably like you, that I'm pretty annoyed and angry. Sometimes even more than that.
Then a story like this comes along.
Perspective is incredibly valuable. Of course there's a dash of relativism in there, and that's unfortunate, but quite true.
So I get to go home and kiss all the blondes a big "hello" -- and be thankful and thrilled to have yet another day with these fabulous and beautiful creatures the Lord entrusted to me.
.
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alegrias Tue, May 20, 2008 11:42:25am |
Senator Kennedy has been a tower of strength for his family, when you think of how he has kept on despite personal yet public tragedies that would have crushed a lesser person. He has been a father figure to so many, from a young age.
May his faith sustain him and his family now, as it has this family's whole life. I'm sure Senator Kennedy was in the front row at Pope Benedict's Mass at the new Nationals Baseball Stadium in DC earlier this month. I'm sure he received Papal blessings if he wanted them.
(You may recall the old baseball stadium was named RFK for Robert F. Kennedy.)
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bolivar Tue, May 20, 2008 11:43:01am |
re: #472 really grumpy big dog Johnson
Just run your cursor over the football and it is in the link.
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CIA Reject Tue, May 20, 2008 11:43:02am |
re: #473 Pawn of the Oppressor
If she's still with us, please thank her for me.
Yes, she's still with us and I'll pass along your thanks- she's one of my heroes!
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MandyManners Tue, May 20, 2008 11:43:06am |
re: #472 really grumpy big dog Johnson
Some were deleted for repeating an offensive post as a way to take issue with it.
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ted Tue, May 20, 2008 11:43:20am |
re: #467 bald headed geek
I definitely feel your pain. Been there, done that with BOTH parents. Cancer is evil, plain and simple.
BHG
Yea, its diffficult. To hear about it and exprience it are way different.
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mayweed Tue, May 20, 2008 11:43:21am |
From the information coming out so far, his prospects really don't sound good at all.
Let's just hope there is still some hope of recovery for him. Like the rest of us, the diagnosis of cancer is something I would be utterly terrified of, and I can feel nothing but compassion for any poor soul who finds himself in that dreadful predicament.
Prayers for him.
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joecitizen Tue, May 20, 2008 11:43:47am |
re: #418 Robert Schwartz
"That isn't necessary now. We all know the history, perhaps you will reconsider this and its appropriateness for this particular forum."
This is not his wake, it is the internet.
were you born an idiot or did it just slowly CREEP up on ya'?
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loppyd Tue, May 20, 2008 11:44:10am |
re: #468 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I was in my junior high English class.
Did your teacher cry? Mine did...laid her head on her desk and lost it.
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Jewels (AKA Julian) Tue, May 20, 2008 11:44:16am |
Man, that is not cool. condolences to his family
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little boomer Tue, May 20, 2008 11:44:23am |
re: #445 Atweber
Do any of you liz's remember where you were when his bro JF was shot? I was in class in high school as a freshman in world history with a Mrs. Clemenshaw.
I was watching the TV- I wasn't in school yet. I yelled to my mom that "they shot the president." She was in shock- Massachusetts Irish Catholic neighborhood- it was like an uncle died.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 20, 2008 11:44:30am |
re: #461 galloping granny
I was also in class - watching it live on TV. Our school always went to great lengths to make sure we saw things like space missions and local-ish appearances of presidents and other notables.
I was in 4th grade. We heard whispers from the teachers that someone was shot. I remember as we were walking out to my dad's car, saying to another kid that I hoped it was this Gym Teacher I was mad at. He was right behind me and picked me up and kinda threw Me against the wall with tears in his eyes. He didn't say much, put me down and walked away. My Dad had tears in his eyes when I got in the car and he told me the President had been shot and killed. It was a long weird weekend on TV.
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MandyManners Tue, May 20, 2008 11:45:00am |
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Richard Romano Tue, May 20, 2008 11:45:04am |
What a sad development - continued prayers for Sen. Kennedy and his family.
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galloping granny Tue, May 20, 2008 11:45:10am |
re: #482 looking closely
With due respect to Gould, his diagnosis of mesothelioma was most likely incorrect; the ability to make that diagnosis was much less 20 years ago. Nowadays there is a recognized benign mesothelial cell tumor.
The median may be just an "average" but if you look at the RANGE, survival of over 2 years with REAL glioblastoma is virtually unheard of. Kennedy's best bet is that the diagnosis is wrong. . .and I'll bet cash money that every neuropathologist at MGH pored over that slide, and these guys are among the best brain pathologists in the world.
I would bet that every cancer expert in Boston pored over that slide. Teddy isn't the brightest light-bulb in the pack, never has been, and a lot of folks don't like his politics, but in Massachusetts (where I lived long ago and far away) whatever Teddy is, he is OUR whatever.
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drewberto Tue, May 20, 2008 11:45:11am |
re: #431 song_and_dance_man
yeah i didnt see that post.
im personally of the persuasion that we all get born, we all get sick, and we all eventually die. i personally think there can be legitimate reasons to laugh and cry about all those events.
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Land Shark Tue, May 20, 2008 11:45:15am |
re: #410 Cygnus
Me too. Lizard Nation is a class act all the way.
Yep, even though we had a few pinheads, the majority of the Lizard Nation showed it's usual class. Good job, Charles, keeping it conservative and classy. We are no Daily Kos or HuffPo, and that's a GOOD THING.
Good work, Lizards, I'm proud to be one.
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looking closely Tue, May 20, 2008 11:46:32am |
re: #427 markie
There have been strides made getting medications across the brain-blood barrier. Maybe Teddy will benefit.
I hope so for his sake, but I strongly doubt it. GBM is an aggressive and vicious tumor (technically its a sarcoma).
I wouldn't take odds, but they aren't good.
There are some things that you can't wiggle out of no matter who you are or how much money you have.
This is one of those things that living with it longer isn't necessarily better, either.
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Silhouette Tue, May 20, 2008 11:46:34am |
Now the answer to "Where were you when ..." is "I was on littlegreenfootballs."
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bolivar Tue, May 20, 2008 11:46:51am |
re: #479 MilkOfMalfeasance
MOM, yeah it is how people restrain themselves. We are a good bunch of folks here and wish nobody (except jihadis) harm. Teddy can bring out the good and bad in us all. The entire Kennedy family can do that. The issue here really is that it happened to a human and no matter how much you may dislike him or his politics - for the grace of God go I.
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bulwrk Tue, May 20, 2008 11:46:56am |
Went to LGF to see what the Repubs were saying. (2+ / 0-)
Recommended by:democrattotheend, FleetAdmiralJ
And surprisingly, they were pretty respectful. Maybe there's hope for this country after all...
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
by skotrussell on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:10:56 AM PDT
they're watching over at the kos
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Eowyn2 Tue, May 20, 2008 11:47:28am |
re: #478 mean Gene
Wouldn't that be your hope for Bill Clinton?
Love the Princess Bride.
My dear hubby has seen it one too many times.
He can quote just about the entire thing.
Does he ever say
"There's a shortage of perfect breast's in the world, it'd be a pity to damage yours"
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Zach_the_Lizard Tue, May 20, 2008 11:47:41am |
re: #462 loppyd
I hadn't been born yet.
I'm a member of the 'do you remember where you were when the space shuttle exploded?' generation.
Oh and it was sophomore year in Mrs. MacDonald's French class.
LOL
I'm a member of what will be the "Do you remember when 9/11 happened?" generation.
'Twas in seventh grade, in band class, and in true dictatorial fashion the school tried to keep information of the attacks out. Needless to say, that actually made it worse, as then everyone engaged in wild speculation and all kinds of crazy rumors spread around. We all wondered whether it was Russia, China, Iraq, or someone else. We also wondered about the extent of the attack; was NYC glass or was it "only" a few thousand potential victims?
For those that won't do the arithmetic, I will be 19 on Sunday. Ah, the joys of youth.
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markie Tue, May 20, 2008 11:47:51am |
re: #418 Robert Schwartz
This may be the internet but it is not required to be the lowest common denominator, no matter what many posters out there do.
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NY Nana Tue, May 20, 2008 11:47:58am |
re: #445 Atweber
I was in my native Boston, as my husband was stationed at the now-defunct Boston Army Base. I had the news on the radio, where I heard a bulletin that JFK had been shot. I put on the TV, on CBS, and saw Walter Cronkite break the news that JFK was dead.
It is as vivid today as it was then. I was in my 8th month of pregnancy. I was weeping with 2 neighbors who came to see if I was OK...Until 9/11, I dated things to that day...but now? 911 set a road mark in my head as to before and after. I pray that it will never have to be re-set. JFK was my first vote, and I admire him and so regret his loss to this day. We will never know what might have been if he had lived to serve 2 terms.
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Creeping Eruption Tue, May 20, 2008 11:48:03am |
re: #507 bulwrk
Went to LGF to see what the Repubs were saying. (2+ / 0-)
Recommended by:democrattotheend, FleetAdmiralJ
And surprisingly, they were pretty respectful. Maybe there's hope for this country after all...[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
by skotrussell on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:10:56 AM PDT
they're watching over at the kos
And then there is this at a KOS Komment:
I don't wish ill on anyone, but I am so darn sad and angry. Why Senator Kennedy? I can only hope some Karma will visit BushCo and the people who most deserve punishment for the terrible deeds and deaths they've caused to have their day in court.
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ted Tue, May 20, 2008 11:48:32am |
re: #498 Nevergiveup
Fourth grade. Mrs. Salwin's class. They brought in one of those giant 3000 pound rolling B& W Philco TV's.
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Bill in TX Tue, May 20, 2008 11:48:36am |
re: #445 Atweber
I was in the nursery at the bowling alley. There was a TV in the corner, and in my mind's eye I see a face on the TV. That is the place and the image I have associated with the JFK assassination. My mom confirmed years later that that is where we were. I was only two, so it may seem far-fetched that I would recall the moment, except that I had a party trick... my parents would ask me "who's President" and I would reply "Kennedy." They were so proud. So even beyond the usual trauma, I think the event had significance for me.
Subsequently, my reply to my parent's question was "Johnson wax."
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Golem Akbar Tue, May 20, 2008 11:48:46am |
I wish him well. I disagree with his politics but never once doubted his sincerity and devotion to his country. May he have healing and peace.
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coquimbojoe Tue, May 20, 2008 11:48:53am |
re: #507 bulwrk
Went to LGF to see what the Repubs were saying. (2+ / 0-)
Recommended by:democrattotheend, FleetAdmiralJ
And surprisingly, they were pretty respectful. Maybe there's hope for this country after all...[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
by skotrussell on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:10:56 AM PDT
they're watching over at the kos
Hopefully they are learning. There IS hope if they do.
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bald headed geek Tue, May 20, 2008 11:49:10am |
re: #466 MandyManners
Very good point. Think that Markos Moulitsos (spelling?) or his moonbat followers would be as classy as the vast majority of Lizards or Charles? I think not.
BHG
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g3n3r1c Tue, May 20, 2008 11:49:11am |
re: #514 ted
Fourth grade. Mrs. Salwin's class. They brought in one of those giant 3000 pound rolling B& W Philco TV's.
I wasn't even a glimmer in my parents eyes yet
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CapeCoddah Tue, May 20, 2008 11:49:18am |
re: #245 loppyd
Thank the good lord above... thanks for that info, loppy, should have done that diggin myself!
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experiencedtraveller Tue, May 20, 2008 11:49:24am |
Robert Schwartz
Registered since: Jun 15, 2004 at 11:44 am
No. of comments posted: 325
Things that make you go hmmm...
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MilkOfMalfeasance Tue, May 20, 2008 11:49:44am |
re: #506 bolivar
I hear you on that. I know its nit picky, but I just wanted to put that out there. I have learned a lot from this site over the years. I was just hoping to contribute a bit myself. I usually just end up putting my foot in my mouth.
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pegcity Tue, May 20, 2008 11:49:54am |
re: #509 Zach_the_Lizard
congrats on being 19 and not an idiot, you will find university a most unpleasant experience, i would recommend economics or sciences as arts is chock full of commie profs
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ted Tue, May 20, 2008 11:50:23am |
re: #519 g3n3r1c
I wasn't even a glimmer in my parents eyes yet
LOL !
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Dahveed Tue, May 20, 2008 11:50:50am |
A shout out to Charles. I want to be on a site that saves its derision for the enemy, not the opposition. Ted Kennedy has an opposing viewpoint on issues. He does not hate his country.
Charles has developed a site where we can disagree without being disagreeable. One where we do not take pleasure in the pain of others merely because we disagree. That is the kind of community I want to be a part of.
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gonecamping Tue, May 20, 2008 11:50:52am |
Best wishes for the Senator's well being. I disagree with most of what he stands for, but wish no harm to anyone over political differences.
Amazing (not really) how compassionate the comments on a 'conservative' blog are regarding the misfortune of a political opponent, when the comments on left wing sites are full of vitriol and celebration when a conservative suffers.
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GGMac Tue, May 20, 2008 11:51:07am |
re: #432 ted
Tell me about it. Thx so much ! But I ain't walking, I'm rolling.. !
Thought that might be the case - rolling. I'm 70 and a pink puffer, and there are many days I'd like to hitch a ride!
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joecitizen Tue, May 20, 2008 11:51:08am |
re: #468 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I was in my junior high English class.
I was a 19 month old bundle of a severe asthmatic attack ..my folks had trouble getting quick attention for me at the hospital because of the obviously distracted personnel..
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Silhouette Tue, May 20, 2008 11:51:16am |
re: #507 bulwrk
Recommended by:democrattotheend, FleetAdmiralJ
And surprisingly, they were pretty respectful. Maybe there's hope for this country after all...
There will be more hope when they at kos are not surprised.
If human decency is surprising to you, you are a) hanging with the wrong crowd or b) completely lied to about your opponents.
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markie Tue, May 20, 2008 11:51:25am |
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Sharmuta Tue, May 20, 2008 11:51:55am |
re: #507 bulwrk
Went to LGF to see what the Repubs were saying. (2+ / 0-)
Recommended by:democrattotheend, FleetAdmiralJ
And surprisingly, they were pretty respectful. Maybe there's hope for this country after all...[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
by skotrussell on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:10:56 AM PDT
they're watching over at the kos
Is that one saying LGF is the hope of the world?
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 20, 2008 11:52:00am |
Bob Beckel on Fox just said a campaign with out Kennedy is like a car with out wheels. MEMO to Bob Beckel: Stay away from car jokes. GEEEZ
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wolfie Tue, May 20, 2008 11:52:15am |
re: #423 Eowyn2
back in the late 70s, a good friend of my brother became a human test subject for cancer. He took every medication possible. His cancer would go into remission, come out of remission and on and on. He died about 1980 at the age of 24. When we think of the great strides that have been made in the last 30 years regarding radiation, chemo and laser, let us not forget the thousands of people who never gave up hope that a cure could, eventually, be found and spent their dying days so that others might live. There is no hall of fame, no wall, no monument to those brave people.
AMEN. Thanks for reminding us of that. They are the bravest heroes in our war against the big C.
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Golem Akbar Tue, May 20, 2008 11:52:17am |
re: #526 Dahveed
A shout out to Charles. I want to be on a site that saves its derision for the enemy, not the opposition. Ted Kennedy has an opposing viewpoint on issues. He does not hate his country.
Charles has developed a site where we can disagree without being disagreeable. One where we do not take pleasure in the pain of others merely because we disagree. That is the kind of community I want to be a part of.
Me too!
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Zach_the_Lizard Tue, May 20, 2008 11:52:18am |
re: #524 pegcity
congrats on being 19 and not an idiot, you will find university a most unpleasant experience, i would recommend economics or sciences as arts is chock full of commie profs
I am majoring in Computer Science, and am thinking about a minor in math. Some of the CS students are hard core commies, too. I guess it's because of Microsoft that many CS major go to Linux and then associate any capitalistic entity as Satan himself. Dunno.
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bald headed geek Tue, May 20, 2008 11:52:25am |
re: #479 MilkOfMalfeasance
A very fair point. Given that I began my comment with exactly that same type of proviso, I take the criticism as being warranted in my case.
BHG
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tats66 Tue, May 20, 2008 11:52:29am |
ted Kennedy is one of my most hated politicians, but I wish him the best and as peacful a road as possible. No one deserves that.
I imaging the rants from the piece of shit KOS KIds if this was a
republican, but I love opportunities to differentiate between the
2 sides.
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cygnus Tue, May 20, 2008 11:53:08am |
re: #101 Kostya Lotz
Looks like I lost my liver bet.
Why hasn't this been deleted yet?
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alegrias Tue, May 20, 2008 11:53:15am |
Richard Nixon visited John F. Kennedy at the hospital when both were young senators in Washington, DC--both had been in the Navy serving their country, both fought communism as young men and as presidents later. John Kennedy was frail & had serious health issues even before becoming President in 1960.
Our country is strong and a better place because adversaries respect each other, and their right to speak though they might disagree. We have our priorities straight, and they include valuing each other's life.
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CIA Reject Tue, May 20, 2008 11:53:33am |
re: #527 gonecamping
Best wishes for the Senator's well being. I disagree with most of what he stands for, but wish no harm to anyone over political differences.
Amazing (not really) how compassionate the comments on a 'conservative' blog are regarding the misfortune of a political opponent, when the comments on left wing sites are full of vitriol and celebration when a conservative suffers.
I've noticed that as well and I think it has to do with this:
"I call heaven and earth to witness this day, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing. Choose therefore life, that both thou and thy seed may live:" - Deuteronomy 30:19
We have chosen one path, they the other...
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Silhouette Tue, May 20, 2008 11:53:38am |
re: #542 tats66
I imaging the rants from the piece of shit KOS KIds if this was a republican,
From the quote above, they don't even have to wait for it to be a Republican. They're wishing disease on Bush on the Kennedy thread.
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chukardog Tue, May 20, 2008 11:53:45am |
The man is deeply misguided in his political views but I would not wish this type of thing on any of my fellow Americans. I hope he makes a speedy recovery.
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Shug Tue, May 20, 2008 11:54:03am |
re: #271 pschne54
Just think if we had the socialized medical system Teddy wants us all to have (not for him ,of course). He might have to wait 6 months for his chemotherapy and radiation.
or even worse, to be told that since the chances of cure are low, that these expensive treatments are not going to be offered at all and that you are going for hospice care instead.
And when the decider of your healthcare is the government, how do you fight it?
I thank God every day that I live in the USA where we still have some degree of choice regarding our healthcare.
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Bloodnok Tue, May 20, 2008 11:54:03am |
Very sad news. It shouldn't happen to anyone. I hope his family finds strength and he finds peace.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 20, 2008 11:54:08am |
re: #545 alegrias
Richard Nixon visited John F. Kennedy at the hospital when both were young senators in Washington, DC--both had been in the Navy serving their country, both fought communism as young men and as presidents later. John Kennedy was frail & had serious health issues even before becoming President in 1960.
Our country is strong and a better place because adversaries respect each other, and their right to speak though they might disagree. We have our priorities straight, and they include valuing each other's life.
Good Point. Send that to Reid and Pelosi!
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mean Gene Tue, May 20, 2008 11:54:17am |
Nice statement from the Bush's praying for his full recovery.
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pschne54 Tue, May 20, 2008 11:54:23am |
re #536
It is not an argument.
It is a fact!
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loppyd Tue, May 20, 2008 11:54:25am |
re: #509 Zach_the_Lizard
I'm a member of what will be the "Do you remember when 9/11 happened?" generation.
'Twas in seventh grade, in band class, and in true dictatorial fashion the school tried to keep information of the attacks out. Needless to say, that actually made it worse, as then everyone engaged in wild speculation and all kinds of crazy rumors spread around. We all wondered whether it was Russia, China, Iraq, or someone else. We also wondered about the extent of the attack; was NYC glass or was it "only" a few thousand potential victims?
For those that won't do the arithmetic, I will be 19 on Sunday. Ah, the joys of youth.
I think we are all in that generation - no matter the age.
Bad move by your school to keep you all in the dark like that.
Oh and happy birthday a few days early!
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ArmyWife Tue, May 20, 2008 11:54:34am |
re: #528 pschne54
There is a time and a place. This is neither.
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drewberto Tue, May 20, 2008 11:54:47am |
re: #513 song_and_dance_man
well im not looking forward to my death. the odds i get smote by the lord are pretty high. LOL
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tgrossner Tue, May 20, 2008 11:54:54am |
re: #526 Dahveed
A shout out to Charles. I want to be on a site that saves its derision for the enemy, not the opposition. Ted Kennedy has an opposing viewpoint on issues. He does not hate his country.
Charles has developed a site where we can disagree without being disagreeable. One where we do not take pleasure in the pain of others merely because we disagree. That is the kind of community I want to be a part of.
Well said, Sir!
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ted Tue, May 20, 2008 11:55:17am |
re: #529 GGMac
Thought that might be the case - rolling. I'm 70 and a pink puffer, and there are many days I'd like to hitch a ride!
Always welcome...!
All lizarards always welcome in my liberal cesspool...NYCL
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Zach_the_Lizard Tue, May 20, 2008 11:55:39am |
re: #556 loppyd
I think we are all in that generation - no matter the age.
Bad move by your school to keep you all in the dark like that.
Oh and happy birthday a few days early!
Thanks!
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MaDeuce Tue, May 20, 2008 11:55:50am |
Senator Kennedy, you have been a worthy adversary. All of the past is put aside now. You and your family will be in my and my family's prayers on a daily basis.
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chicagodudewhotrades Tue, May 20, 2008 11:55:56am |
Off-topic , but interesting:
I have a news headline service on my trading screen, I just saw something about Iran and Venezuela forming a joint bank based in Tehran with $1.2 billion in capital. This is just a headline, there is no story to go with it. It was written by Thompson financial wire service. Anybody seeing anything about this?
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bolivar Tue, May 20, 2008 11:55:56am |
re: #523 MilkOfMalfeasance
No problem, I only wish we got as favorable treatment at KOS. It will be interesting to see how that goes over there. I don't have the stomach to weed thru that place - the architecture is arcane and confusing - not like here. Charles has made a very friendly place to get together and have a cup of coffee or fruitcup and talk about stuff and tell lies and even bash at times. LGF is the premier site for discussion and friendly interface.
Charles takes great pains to make sure all of his readers and posters have a good time while keeping the riff raff out or at least at bay. For that I am extremely grateful. Thank you Lizard Master - you are a gentleman and scholar.
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ArmyWife Tue, May 20, 2008 11:56:06am |
re: #536 song_and_dance_man
Great minds. Thank you for your support upthread, too.
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ted Tue, May 20, 2008 11:56:15am |
re: #561 ted
Always welcome...!
All lizarards always welcome in my liberal cesspool...NYCL
PIMF
NYC
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Silas Blex Tue, May 20, 2008 11:56:19am |
I was actually afraid to click on the comments, but I've been delightfully surprised.
Somebody call Kurtz and tell him to compare and contrast.
Another note, the reaction from his fellow senators and others on the hill has been really downbeat. MSNBC was in full eulogy mode while CNN and Fox were/are doing the more medical POV.
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loppyd Tue, May 20, 2008 11:56:46am |
re: #520 CapeCoddah
Thank the good lord above... thanks for that info, loppy, should have done that diggin myself!
If it were Deval he'd probably appoint himself. LOL
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nyc redneck Tue, May 20, 2008 11:56:49am |
when we first got the news of the seizure i had very little sympathy for kennedy. i just figured it was an alcoholic blackout. i found myself wondering, tho, if it was brain cancer and hoping it wasn't.
this is what happened to my dad. alcoholism, seizures, us hoping it was just the drinking and then we got the bad diagnosis. dad had a yr. and a half. i hope kennedy gets good care and recovers. the family really has some difficult times ahead. i wish them the best.
cancer is a beast.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 20, 2008 11:56:59am |
re: #215 Thanos
I met Jerry Pournelle years ago at a science fiction convention at college. He was guest of honor, and came up to our apartment for a while; one of our friends had som Ouzo and his eyes lit up when it was mentioned. I hope he gets healthy enough to enjoy some more Ouzo.
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Burkha, Flies and a Shiekh Tue, May 20, 2008 11:57:00am |
re: #445 Atweber
Do any of you liz's remember where you were when his bro JF was shot? I was in class in high school as a freshman in world history with a Mrs. Clemenshaw.
I was in 4th Grade. School was dismissed early and all students sent home. It was a bright, sunny fall day in East TN.
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turn Tue, May 20, 2008 11:57:12am |
re: #530 joecitizen
I was out on the playground in 2nd grade, still remember the girls crying.
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mossley Tue, May 20, 2008 11:57:13am |
A terrible condition that I wouldn't wish on anyone. I disliked Kennedy's politics and behavior, but my thoughts are with him and his family.
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lurking faith Tue, May 20, 2008 11:57:27am |
re: #472 really grumpy big dog Johnson
Click on the football of the deleted post; the poster's profile should show up.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 20, 2008 11:58:34am |
re: #573 Burkha, Flies and a Shiekh
I was in 4th Grade. School was dismissed early and all students sent home. It was a bright, sunny fall day in East TN.
Well that's at least 3 of us who were in 4th grade. And my wife was also-actually in my class, but that's a whole other story.
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alegrias Tue, May 20, 2008 11:59:29am |
re: #553 Nevergiveup
Good Point. Send that to Reid and Pelosi!
* * *
Chivalry never occurs to some people, though it's never too late to develop some.
President Bush has been showing his concern and care for Senator Kennedy, as the class act our President is.
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looking closely Tue, May 20, 2008 11:59:43am |
re: #501 galloping granny
I would bet that every cancer expert in Boston pored over that slide. Teddy isn't the brightest light-bulb in the pack, never has been, and a lot of folks don't like his politics, but in Massachusetts (where I lived long ago and far away) whatever Teddy is, he is OUR whatever.
I strongly doubt the slide left MGH, to be honest. No reason for it to have done so.
If the case actually *is* a GBM (which would be the most likely seizure inducing glioma in a man Kennedy's age) any first year pathology resident could diagnose it.
But as a matter of course, any "VIP" case like that would automatically get kicked up to a senior (read "famous") pathologist for a second opinion.
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Shug Tue, May 20, 2008 12:00:08pm |
re: #568 Silas Blex
I was actually afraid to click on the comments, but I've been delightfully surprised.
Somebody call Kurtz and tell him to compare and contrast.
Another note, the reaction from his fellow senators and others on the hill has been really downbeat. MSNBC was in full eulogy mode while CNN and Fox were/are doing the more medical POV.
Kirtz is lurking and saving the bad-taste comments in the 2 minutes between their posting and their removal. He has an agenda and won't let 99.9% of the posts being respectful stand in his way
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littleben Tue, May 20, 2008 12:00:15pm |
re: #445 Atweber
I was home from school early(it was a Friday) and playing punchball in the yard. We heard the news and went inside to watch in disbelief.I remember Cronkite reading the paper just handed to him that the President had passed away.
People knew how to mourn in those days and had respect for the government. I remember all regular television programing was suspended. People walked around sad and unsmiling.
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galloping granny Tue, May 20, 2008 12:00:17pm |
re: #580 guitarguy
This is neither the time nor the place. And YOU are not the person to judge him for some things. That would be the place of G_d, who Teddy will meet soon enough.
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MandyManners Tue, May 20, 2008 12:01:05pm |
re: #580 guitarguy
I agree with you but, this is neither the time nor the place to post that.
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crown_of_feathers Tue, May 20, 2008 12:01:25pm |
re: #466 MandyManners
"Remember the way Huffpost reacted to Tony Snow's cancer?"
Well, this is symptomatic of the way Leftists deals with everything. To them, everything is subservient to the Cause. Human sympathy is not one of their strong points. It has always been so, ever since the time of the French Revolution, when the leftists first showed their glee at the sufferings of their enemies, and it was so in the Russian and Chinese and all of the other leftist revolutions where people are expendable.
For my part, when I heard about Kennedy just a short while ago, my first reaction was to think how awful it is. Kennedy is a human being like all of us, and he and his family have suffered terribly in the past and are now headed for more terrible pain.
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Tue, May 20, 2008 12:01:27pm |
Prayers for the Senator and his family.
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snowcrash Tue, May 20, 2008 12:01:33pm |
re: #583 looking closely
MGH is still assoc with the Farber isn't it? The best treatment in the area IMHO.
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ArmyWife Tue, May 20, 2008 12:02:15pm |
re: #580 guitarguy
As I tell my children, you need to leave some words in your head.
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Lightning_Man Tue, May 20, 2008 12:02:28pm |
re: #445 Atweber
Do any of you liz's remember where you were when his bro JF was shot? I was in class in high school as a freshman in world history with a Mrs. Clemenshaw.
Not to make you feel old, but I was a child (in diapers if I am doing the math right) and I imagine a good lot of the Lizard Brigade wasn't even born.
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galloping granny Tue, May 20, 2008 12:02:46pm |
re: #583 looking closely
I strongly doubt the slide left MGH, to be honest. No reason for it to have done so.
If the case actually *is* a GBM (which would be the most likely seizure inducing glioma in a man Kennedy's age) any first year pathology resident could diagnose it.
But as a matter of course, any "VIP" case like that would automatically get kicked up to a senior (read "famous") pathologist for a second opinion.
I did not say that the slide ever left Mass General. There are not all that many brain cancer experts in Boston, which is after all a pretty small place, and Teddy is about as high-profile a patient as they will ever see.
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LoneStarLizard Tue, May 20, 2008 12:02:47pm |
I want to digg this so the world can see the maturity and kind-heartedness of everyone here at LGF. I am proud to be part of a community where we can separate our opinions of a person's policy ideas from their humanity and dignity as a human being.
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MilkOfMalfeasance Tue, May 20, 2008 12:02:51pm |
re: #541 bald headed geek
I don't want to look like I'm pointing fingers. Just wanted to throw that out there. LGF is a great group of people, and I am proud to be a member.
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Shug Tue, May 20, 2008 12:03:02pm |
I can tell you one thing : He will not be heading to Cuba for his healthcare.
/Sorry Michael Moore
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wolfie Tue, May 20, 2008 12:03:06pm |
re: #424 alegrias
* * *
My last tv image of Teddy Kennedy was his lusty singing of farm labor songs in horrible Spanish at an Obama rally (ultimately Hillary won in Massachusetts).
At this particular time I think of Wm F Buckley. He disagreed with Teddy on almost every issue, thought the Senator was a tad dense, and had no illusions about his intentions rising above the politically chic and expedient. Buckley nevertheless was terribly fond of the guy and enjoyed his company immensely.
I wish I had seen that TV spot you're talking about because it indoubtedly reveals the side of Kennedy that anyone can appreciate.
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Bill in TX Tue, May 20, 2008 12:03:22pm |
Bear with me on this, but I think of Shakespeare at times like these:
"Every subject's duty is the king's; but every subject's
soul is his own. Therefore should every soldier in
the wars do as every sick man in his bed, wash every
mote out of his conscience: and dying so, death
is to him advantage."
-Henry V
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GGMac Tue, May 20, 2008 12:03:40pm |
re: #502 drewberto
yeah i didnt see that post.
im personally of the persuasion that we all get born, we all get sick, and we all eventually die. i personally think there can be legitimate reasons to laugh and cry about all those events.
Yes - as the situation relates to ourselves. To presume the appropriateness of laughing and/or crying for anyone other than oneself clearly has an edge of crudeness.
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MandyManners Tue, May 20, 2008 12:03:56pm |
re: #592 ArmyWife
As I tell my children, you need to leave some words in your head.
Beautiful! I'm gonna' use that on The Kid.
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Tue, May 20, 2008 12:04:22pm |
Man, that's an awful diagnosis. I feel bad for him and his family. Cancer is painful to have and to watch a loved one have.
I hope that he can recover and if he cannot, then his passing is a painless as possible.
This is sorta like the end of an era.
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avspatti Tue, May 20, 2008 12:04:30pm |
re: #128 carray
Prayers for him and his family. May he make his peace with his maker.
I echo that. This is so terribly sad.
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Spiny Norman Tue, May 20, 2008 12:04:52pm |
re: #580 guitarguy
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but this is not the time or place for that. Besides, Charles asked that if we can't keep it civil, don't post it.
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Hubris Tue, May 20, 2008 12:04:53pm |
Best wishes to Senator Kennedy and his family. I was aghast when I heard the news of his brain tumor this morning.
I, too, disagree with his politics but could never wish something like this upon anyone.
Hubris
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formercorpsman Tue, May 20, 2008 12:04:57pm |
re: #580 guitarguy
It is not us who have the final say.
I realize your argument, but there is nothing wrong with civility.
Let us stand against other nations who tie their dead opponents to car bumpers, and drag them through the streets.
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itellu3times Tue, May 20, 2008 12:05:15pm |
re: #583 looking closely
I strongly doubt the slide left MGH, to be honest. No reason for it to have done so.
Ha, I thought all lab results had to be sent to Bangalore now for someone to read them.
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Lightning_Man Tue, May 20, 2008 12:05:21pm |
re: #462 loppyd
While I am a Challenger youth myself, my "Kennedy" moment will forever be 11 September. I still quiver when an airplane flies overhead.
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bulwrk Tue, May 20, 2008 12:05:58pm |
Here is a lovely rant from the radical wing of daily kos that got yanked pretty quick.
plz another rich fat f**ker dying (0+ / 1-)
Hidden by:democrattotheend
lets see what going on in the real world.
ahhh, here are just a couple...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
how many people die of starvation 24,000 a day...
How many of you are well overfed or overfed? One fat rich guy who has a incurable brain tumor gets all these emails for what?
WHAT DID HE DO YOU for Us(humanity)? nada! He is going to die and we will still have multiple wars and people dying of starvation everyday.
You think your immune? By standing by a watching we are killing ourselves and are culpable bacause we let this happen.
So wake-up and take back what has been taked from us and stop this crap.
by Shemsu Hor on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:50:17 AM PDT
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joecitizen Tue, May 20, 2008 12:06:02pm |
re: #513 song_and_dance_man
I can agree with that. Unlike many people I look forward to my death and at my funeral I hope there will be joy that I have passed on to a better and eternal life with my Maker.
I've always thought that that was the only true flaw in the Christian (or any other) faith..to look forward to ones own death is surely life denying and almost on a par with those that would do us harm AND FLY FUCKING PLANES INTO OUR BUILDINGS...the world is what it is but to wish to be free of it is surely an insult to any righteous God..
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 20, 2008 12:06:38pm |
SirGawainRegistered since: Aug 28, 2007 at 6:05 pm
No. of comments posted: 1
No. of links posted: 0
He lasted one post.
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galloping granny Tue, May 20, 2008 12:07:09pm |
re: #611 itellu3times
Ha, I thought all lab results had to be sent to Bangalore now for someone to read them.
Oh you thought dead wrong there. Who can read your lab results are the ONE area of medicine that is set out and regulated by Federal law.
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MandyManners Tue, May 20, 2008 12:07:28pm |
re: #617 NJDhockeyfan
He lasted one post.
He got the stick?
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alegrias Tue, May 20, 2008 12:08:36pm |
re: #598 wolfie
At this particular time I think of Wm F Buckley. He disagreed with Teddy on almost every issue, thought the Senator was a tad dense, and had no illusions about his intentions rising above the politically chic and expedient. Buckley nevertheless was terribly fond of the guy and enjoyed his company immensely.
I wish I had seen that TV spot you're talking about because it indoubtedly reveals the side of Kennedy that anyone can appreciate.
* * *
William F. Buckley thought he was smarter than most of us, and he was probably right! I'm glad he had fun with his political adversary from time to time. Ronald Reagan and powerful Irish Pol from Massachusetts Tip O'Neal also enjoyed each other's company though they disagreed on nearly everything.
Teddy Kennedy was the youngest child, no doubt the most fun-loving and carefree of all the Kennedy children of Rose & Joe Kennedy Sr.
After losing so many siblings tragically, it's amazing he could be light-hearted ever, or maybe he just tried very hard to liven up other people's spirits.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 20, 2008 12:08:40pm |
re: #621 MandyManners
He got the stick?
Yeah...post #603.
heh.
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Eowyn2 Tue, May 20, 2008 12:08:42pm |
re: #540 Zach_the_Lizard
I am majoring in Computer Science, and am thinking about a minor in math. Some of the CS students are hard core commies, too. I guess it's because of Microsoft that many CS major go to Linux and then associate any capitalistic entity as Satan himself. Dunno.
i have a bs in cs. Unfortunately the year I graduated from college, IBM laid off 80K people.
GET THE MINOR IN MATH
AND ANOTHER IN PHYSICS
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 20, 2008 12:08:59pm |
re: #617 NJDhockeyfan
He lasted one post.
Is that a record?
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Shug Tue, May 20, 2008 12:09:01pm |
re: #600 Bill in TX
Great quote. I am also reminded of one of my favorite quotes of all time. I think of it almost daily as I watch the world go by. It's from the epilogueof Kubrick's film, Barry Lyndon.
It Was in the Reign of George III that the aforementioned personage lived and quarreled, good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, they are all equal now
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JCM Tue, May 20, 2008 12:09:07pm |
re: #617 NJDhockeyfan
He lasted one post.
My guess is another one might not make it to 20.
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itellu3times Tue, May 20, 2008 12:09:11pm |
re: #620 galloping granny
Oh you thought dead wrong there. Who can read your lab results are the ONE area of medicine that is set out and regulated by Federal law.
Well, x-rays go, and I thought lots of stuff did, and they were covered by contract or whatever.
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keithgabryelski Tue, May 20, 2008 12:09:38pm |
This from radio news:
50% die with-in 18months with this type of cancer.
No specific news on Kennedy's diagnosis.
They will not be operating (generally this is done when there are small tumors).
Which leaves radiation treatment.
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loppyd Tue, May 20, 2008 12:09:41pm |
re: #612 Lightning_Man
While I am a Challenger youth myself, my "Kennedy" moment will forever be 11 September. I still quiver when an airplane flies overhead.
For me, Oklahoma City took the place of the Challenger and 9/11 took the place of Oklahoma City.
Bright blue cloudless skies still make me think of that day.
And I still get a funny feeling when I look up and see an airplane as well...
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MilkOfMalfeasance Tue, May 20, 2008 12:09:45pm |
re: #604 MandyManners
Beautiful! I'm gonna' use that on The Kid.
In the words of Ron White: "The next time you have a thought, let it go."
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galloping granny Tue, May 20, 2008 12:09:50pm |
re: #624 Eowyn2
i have a bs in cs. Unfortunately the year I graduated from college, IBM laid off 80K people.
GET THE MINOR IN MATH
AND ANOTHER IN PHYSICS
Get the minor in computer science and the MAJOR in Math! Or Physics.
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mean Gene Tue, May 20, 2008 12:09:55pm |
re: #445 Atweber
Do any of you liz's remember where you were when his bro JF was shot? I was in class in high school as a freshman in world history with a Mrs. Clemenshaw.
I remember.
I had left school early for a dentist appt and got hoe to find out it was canceled.
Later we got a phone call and mom, a lifelong Republican, started to tear up and told me to go turn on the TV.
We watched in disbelief.
Dad came home early and was quite sad.
I remember this day as the first time (pretty much the very first time) the news went live all day on TV.
People forget how old TV news was: just a few minutes in the evenings, taking some supposedly trustworthy man's word for everything.
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wahabicorridor Tue, May 20, 2008 12:10:30pm |
re: #564 chicagodudewhotrades
Nothing on Financial Times site. Can't find a home page for Thompson.
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timbo17 Tue, May 20, 2008 12:10:32pm |
I am proud to see so many of my fellow conservatives act like compassionate human beings. I too wish Ted Kennedy the best no matter his politics.
This is why we are superior to the far left, when a Republican is diagnosed with cancer the psychopaths of the far left openly pray for the death of that person. We Republicans on the other hand hope and pray for a cure.
When Bush leaves office one of his greatest accomplishments will be exposing the extremism, psychosis, insanity, anti-semitism and immorality of the left.
God be with you Senator.
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A.W. Tue, May 20, 2008 12:10:35pm |
Am I the only person who immediately thought: "imagine that. A Kennedy might die of natural causes"?
I know, its wrong, just wrong... but I couldn't help it.
Gallows humor aside, I geniunely hope he recovers fully.
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galloping granny Tue, May 20, 2008 12:10:39pm |
re: #628 itellu3times
Well, x-rays go, and I thought lots of stuff did, and they were covered by contract or whatever.
X-rays are not considered lab results. Any blood or tissue, swabs, etc.
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buddyg Tue, May 20, 2008 12:10:54pm |
I wish you well Ted; from one Irish-American to another
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SirGawain Tue, May 20, 2008 12:10:55pm |
re: #617 NJDhockeyfan
Sorry I'm too honorable to honor killers. You have a warped view of morality if you believe otherwise.
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snowcrash Tue, May 20, 2008 12:11:01pm |
This is worse than dealing with little kids who just have to get the first and last word in. Geez.
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MandyManners Tue, May 20, 2008 12:11:14pm |
re: #623 NJDhockeyfan
Yeah...post #603.
heh.
He's still here. See No. 629. Utterly disrespectful of Charles.
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Spiny Norman Tue, May 20, 2008 12:11:38pm |
re: #616 pschne54
re #580
I agree totally. Many people on this site are like the Carville-Matlin marriage. It can not be real ,or their rhetoric is not real. The
disagreements with Teddy are not about the color to paint the living room .They are life and death issues with far reaching implications for all of mankind. This is not a game. Teddy would and has hurt many and would do it again in a heartbeat.
His politics and his tactics have been despicable and dangerous for years decades, but can't you give it a rest for one lousy comment thread? He ain't AdolffuckingHitler, ferchrissakes.
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galloping granny Tue, May 20, 2008 12:12:13pm |
re: #628 itellu3times
Well, x-rays go, and I thought lots of stuff did, and they were covered by contract or whatever.
I'm sorry Itellyou3 - I meant to ding the post next to you. Guess I had better go find the reading glasses.
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tripster Tue, May 20, 2008 12:12:20pm |
Well this topic has certainly provided a case study in contrasts between the left and the right.
When I saw the news, my first reaction was that it was sad and that I don't wish that on anyone.
My next reaction was to pop over here and see how my fellow lizards were handling things. I figured it would go well and I was right. For the most part everyone is respectful to the news.
I know that other sites like Huffpo would have to shut down comments if this type of scenario happened to a Republican.
So once again, here's firm proof that the right is more compassionate than the left.
It doesn't matter how much they proclaim that we're evil and haters. This proves that, as usual, it is just a case of projection by the left and that they are the party of NO CLASS.
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Former SSG Tue, May 20, 2008 12:12:28pm |
re: #405 Charles
I appreciate your attitude. Sen K is not a political ally, but his is a human being who is suffering, and whose family is suffering. God bless and keep them all in his hand.
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Creeping Eruption Tue, May 20, 2008 12:12:51pm |
re: #629 SirGawain
Oh, sorry, this must be the thread where we gloss over the truth and ignore little things like murders of innocent girls. My bad.
Scrub away!
Listen douche-bag, that can be every thread here. The world is a pretty fucked up place. It gets a little more fucked up though when scum bags like you fail to show a modicum of humanity in the face of a truly horrible situation.
If it were up to me, your deleted post would have been your last. I'd love to "scrub away," but alas, the decision is not mine.
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Catttt Tue, May 20, 2008 12:13:00pm |
Man, I didn't see this coming. Really sorry to learn about this.
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itellu3times Tue, May 20, 2008 12:13:02pm |
re: #640 galloping granny
X-rays are not considered lab results. Any blood or tissue, swabs, etc.
Maybe off-topic, but you seem to know this stuff, can you explain wtf Google thinks they're doing with their new medical records feature?
I can sort of guess - when my Dad was in the hospital, I asked if there was any way I could access his charts from home, of course they laughed at me, but I guess that's the direction things are going, and quickly, and maybe Google is trying to get there first?
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JCM Tue, May 20, 2008 12:13:02pm |
re: #629 SirGawain
Oh, sorry, this must be the thread where we gloss over the truth and ignore little things like murders of innocent girls. My bad.
Scrub away!
There is a time and a place for that.
This is not it.
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bulwrk Tue, May 20, 2008 12:13:27pm |
re: #629 SirGawain
Maybe it should be
Sirgoinggoinggone with that attitude
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Spiny Norman Tue, May 20, 2008 12:13:28pm |
re: #629 SirGawain
Oh, sorry, this must be the thread where we gloss over the truth and ignore little things like murders of innocent girls. My bad.
Scrub away!
Is ANYONE singin' Ted's praises here?
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 20, 2008 12:13:42pm |
re: #652 MandyManners
Oh, go piss up a rope.
Mandy, are we gonna have this piss up a rope discussion again?
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Shug Tue, May 20, 2008 12:13:45pm |
re: #642 SirGawain
I think you landed at the wrong website. You are looking for the huffington post
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JCM Tue, May 20, 2008 12:13:52pm |
re: #652 MandyManners
Oh, go piss up a rope.
You're so much more to the point than I am.
LOL!
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turn Tue, May 20, 2008 12:13:59pm |
re: #614 bulwrk
"So wake-up and take back what has been taked from us and stop this crap."
Oh my ... the pent up anger on the left.
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ArmyWife Tue, May 20, 2008 12:14:23pm |
re: 599 and 604
It works. You can't help what pops into your mind, but it doesn't mean you have to share!
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JCM Tue, May 20, 2008 12:14:26pm |
re: #659 Nevergiveup
Mandy, are we gonna have this piss up a rope discussion again?
Depends on your definition of up.
*ducks and runs*
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Dianna Tue, May 20, 2008 12:14:39pm |
re: #656 JCM
Don't quote it! Reply to it, if you must, but don't quote it!
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Spiny Norman Tue, May 20, 2008 12:14:58pm |
re: #664 Squirrelguy
Everyone but about three.
Show me.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 20, 2008 12:15:04pm |
Looks like some mobys have come out of the woodwork on this thread. Long registration times and low posting counts.
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lurking faith Tue, May 20, 2008 12:15:14pm |
re: #580 guitarguy
I beg to differ. I have seen a relative die of brain cancer, and it most certainly IS a cold, lonely, terrifying death" - even for someone surrounded by loved ones.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 20, 2008 12:15:18pm |
re: #665 ArmyWife
re: 599 and 604
It works. You can't help what pops into your mind, but it doesn't mean you have to share!
Some of the things that pop into my mind scare me.
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itellu3times Tue, May 20, 2008 12:15:54pm |
re: #671 Ward Cleaver
Looks like some mobys have come out of the woodwork on this thread. Long registration times and low posting counts.
And good grief (!), but look at the time they choose to appear.
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drewberto Tue, May 20, 2008 12:16:02pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 20, 2008 12:16:06pm |
re: #660 Shug
I think you landed at the wrong website. You are looking for the huffington post
HuffPo turned off the comments. They already know what kind of moonbats live there.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 20, 2008 12:16:07pm |
My hearfelt best wishes for the Senator and his family. May he beat this thing, as quickly and painlessly as possible.
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experiencedtraveller Tue, May 20, 2008 12:16:09pm |
re: #601 buzzsawmonkey
Walking the lonesome valley...
"The Reverend Mr. Black" performed by Johnny Cash.
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loppyd Tue, May 20, 2008 12:16:15pm |
re: #671 Ward Cleaver
Looks like some mobys have come out of the woodwork on this thread. Long registration times and low posting counts.
Hello, Ward!
I was just noticing that myself.
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Shug Tue, May 20, 2008 12:16:21pm |
re: #652 MandyManners
Oh, go piss up a
ropelive electrical wire.
works better
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Dianna Tue, May 20, 2008 12:16:27pm |
re: #673 Nevergiveup
Me, too.
Fortunately, there is a censor between my keyboard and the "post" button. Now if I could just acquire one for my tongue.
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reine.de.tout Tue, May 20, 2008 12:16:32pm |
re: #509 Zach_the_Lizard
I'm a member of what will be the "Do you remember when 9/11 happened?" generation.
'Twas in seventh grade, in band class, and in true dictatorial fashion the school tried to keep information of the attacks out. Needless to say, that actually made it worse...
My daughter was in 5th grade, and all I remember is wanting desperately to leave work and pick her up, bring her home and never let her go. Her school did something similar to what yours did, and she told me later all the kids were scared to death, not knowing what happened, where it happened, and wondering if it was about to happen to them.
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JCM Tue, May 20, 2008 12:16:54pm |
re: #668 Dianna
Don't quote it! Reply to it, if you must, but don't quote it!
My bad, D'oh! I KNOW THAT!
*whacks self*
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Silhouette Tue, May 20, 2008 12:16:57pm |
re: #676 NJDhockeyfan
HuffPo turned off the comments. They already know what kind of moonbats live there.
They had to turn off comments for one of their own? Good gravy.
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loppyd Tue, May 20, 2008 12:17:09pm |
re: #676 NJDhockeyfan
HuffPo turned off the comments. They already know what kind of moonbats live there.
"too bad it wasn't Bush" would be the theme for sure...
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 20, 2008 12:17:50pm |
re: #686 Silhouette
They had to turn off comments for one of their own? Good gravy.
Speaks volumes of the quality of people who post there.
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joecitizen Tue, May 20, 2008 12:18:48pm |
re: #629 SirGawain
Oh, sorry, this must be the thread where we gloss over the truth and ignore little things like murders of innocent girls. My bad.
Scrub away!
asshole.
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galloping granny Tue, May 20, 2008 12:19:53pm |
re: #655 itellu3times
Maybe off-topic, but you seem to know this stuff, can you explain wtf Google thinks they're doing with their new medical records feature?
I can sort of guess - when my Dad was in the hospital, I asked if there was any way I could access his charts from home, of course they laughed at me, but I guess that's the direction things are going, and quickly, and maybe Google is trying to get there first?
Oh sure I can explain to you what Google is doing with this "feature." They are conning people into putting their entire medical history online and searchable by anyone that can hack the database in the name of some "security in an emergency." And then once they have those records, they can data mine them for all kinds of information - both collectively and individually. That data is worth billions. Yes, I said billions. Maybe trillions. OVER MY DEAD BODY would I even consider such a thing or allow any of my family to consider such a thing.
Medically speaking, not the doctor, the hospital etc, can not make the records available online. Legally, unless you are your father's legal guardian or duly appointed medical representative you cannot even look at his records without his specific, signed release.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 20, 2008 12:20:05pm |
re: #679 loppyd
Hello, Ward!
I was just noticing that myself.
Hey Lopps!
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Eowyn2 Tue, May 20, 2008 12:20:20pm |
re: #614 bulwrk
Here is a lovely rant from the radical wing of daily kos that got yanked pretty quick.
plz another rich fat f**ker dying (0+ / 1-)
Hidden by:democrattotheend
lets see what going on in the real world.ahhh, here are just a couple...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
how many people die of starvation 24,000 a day...
How many of you are well overfed or overfed? One fat rich guy who has a incurable brain tumor gets all these emails for what?
WHAT DID HE DO YOU for Us(humanity)? nada! He is going to die and we will still have multiple wars and people dying of starvation everyday.You think your immune? By standing by a watching we are killing ourselves and are culpable bacause we let this happen.
So wake-up and take back what has been taked from us and stop this crap.
by Shemsu Hor on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:50:17 AM PDT
3.5 on the erudition scale
9.5 on the obnoxious scale
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 20, 2008 12:20:42pm |
re: #676 NJDhockeyfan
HuffPo turned off the comments. They already know what kind of moonbats live there.
Wow, it's Kennedy, and they turned off comments?
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tripster Tue, May 20, 2008 12:21:21pm |
re: #680 Shug
re: #652 MandyManners
Oh, go piss up a rope live electrical wire
works better
Although that thought looks good on paper. I'm sad to announce that Mythbusters have determined that it doesn't work.
So it's back to the drawing board.
Sorry. ; )
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debutaunt Tue, May 20, 2008 12:21:47pm |
re: #472 really grumpy big dog Johnson
It would be interesting to know the usernames of the seven people who've had their posts deleted.
There's something wrong with those folks...
Just click on their avatars.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 20, 2008 12:21:48pm |
re: #694 Eowyn2
So wake-up and take back what has been taked from us
Can you say "rotating title gold"?
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 20, 2008 12:22:07pm |
Hey Lopps, congrats on the Sox no-hitter last night.
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ernieg Tue, May 20, 2008 12:22:30pm |
I am so sorry to hear this terrible news. Although I disagree with some of his political positions, I envy JammieWearingFool for having shared a pleasant moment with him.
I pray for his comfort, his health, and his family.
I have dealt with the Big C myself, and although my case was not as life-threatening, it was still a harrowing experience. One bright memory of that time, as I was recovering from surgery, was the outpouring of support from the Lizardoid community: the emails, the comments, and the get-well card. Moments like that, and this, make me proud to be a part of this community.
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DesertSage Tue, May 20, 2008 12:22:42pm |
Why is it always conservatives who are labeled 'low class' by people like Lord Obama?
If it were a Republican senator who was diagnosed with cancer, there would be so much venom and vitriol on PuffHo and Kos that they would have to close comments.
The opposite is true here on LGF...yet we're called the haters. What's up with that?
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keithgabryelski Tue, May 20, 2008 12:23:18pm |
re: #694 Eowyn2
3.5 on the erudition scale
9.5 on the obnoxious scale
2.5 on the readability scale. Can someone mail that guy a dictionary?
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 20, 2008 12:23:19pm |
re: #695 Ward Cleaver
Wow, it's Kennedy, and they turned off comments?
They're equal-opportunity haters.
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wjlevin Tue, May 20, 2008 12:23:44pm |
Regardless of his politics and errors in life - he has had a remarkable life. That must be satisfying to him and his family. Perhaps, he'll get another 20 years despite his ailment.
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SirGawain Tue, May 20, 2008 12:23:49pm |
re: #671 Ward Cleaver
Nice try Sherlock-with-home-detective-kit, however you're incorrect. Been posting at FR since 2000. Look me up. What are your creds?
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abolitionist Tue, May 20, 2008 12:23:56pm |
That's devastating news. As a widower, I know.
(OT) re: #564 chicagodudewhotrades
Try
[your.search.engine] Venezuela Tehran bank
Mine turned up stories going back to nov 2007. Here are some:
Unholy alliance between Caracas and Tehran
Iran, Venezuela plan joint bank
Tehran-Caracas deals touch $20b
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Spiny Norman Tue, May 20, 2008 12:23:57pm |
re: #683 Squirrelguy
Me, SirGawain, & I think one other way upthread.
So, wishing condolences for his family is "singing his praises"?
Note this:
re: #405 Charles
Please note: if you can't express sympathy, or be respectful, your best course is to simply not post anything.
Think before you post, because I'm very serious about keeping this thread decent. Several people have had accounts blocked already because they couldn't refrain from abusing their posting privileges.
If you want to give Charles the finger, that's your business.
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loppyd Tue, May 20, 2008 12:24:00pm |
re: #700 Ward Cleaver
Hey Lopps, congrats on the Sox no-hitter last night.
It was an amazing thing to watch!
What a story for that kid.
In 2006 he is undergoing chemo for cancer.
In 2007 he pitches the winning game of the World Series.
In 2008 he pitches a no-hitter.
God is great!
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JCM Tue, May 20, 2008 12:24:00pm |
re: #691 galloping granny
Oh sure I can explain to you what Google is doing with this "feature." They are conning people into putting their entire medical history online and searchable by anyone that can hack the database in the name of some "security in an emergency." And then once they have those records, they can data mine them for all kinds of information - both collectively and individually. That data is worth billions. Yes, I said billions. Maybe trillions. OVER MY DEAD BODY would I even consider such a thing or allow any of my family to consider such a thing.
Medically speaking, not the doctor, the hospital etc, can not make the records available online. Legally, unless you are your father's legal guardian or duly appointed medical representative you cannot even look at his records without his specific, signed release.
I don't know about Google, but Med Records are covered under HIPA (Health Information Privacy Act). The security requirments under HIPA are pretty stringent (doesn't mean there aren't holes). Is Google asking people permission to host their med files?
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opnion Tue, May 20, 2008 12:24:18pm |
Still, no prognosis? I understand that standard treatment is radiation & chemotherapy.
It is actually like some Medeval torture nd you hope for the best.
Modern medicine can really do wonders.
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Alianora Tue, May 20, 2008 12:24:29pm |
I just lost one of my great-aunts to a brain tumor back in February at the age of 82. She had five months from diagnosis to death and from what my dad, who was one of her primary caregivers, said, it was not pretty and all they could do for her was try to make her comfortable. All my prayers go out to the Senator and his family.
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GGMac Tue, May 20, 2008 12:24:30pm |
re: #561 ted
Always welcome...!
All lizarards always welcome in my liberal cesspool...NYCL
Grew up out on LI. If going to a local store, it was "going upstreet"; a trek into NYC was "going into town".
If I could get there, I'd hitch a ride and we'd go lift a few at the White Horse Tavern. Memories: "A little less talking, and a lot more drinking, if you please!", said the barkeep. Days so long ago they've grown long green moldy whiskers!
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Shug Tue, May 20, 2008 12:24:38pm |
re: #700 Ward Cleaver
Hey Lopps, congrats on the Sox no-hitter last night.
quite appropriate for this thread considering Lester is a cancer survivor
Good for him
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lurking faith Tue, May 20, 2008 12:24:39pm |
re: #642 SirGawain
"Judge not, lest ye be judged."
Or you could show a little compassion to his family.
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loppyd Tue, May 20, 2008 12:25:15pm |
re: #702 DesertSage
The opposite is true here on LGF...yet we're called the haters. What's up with that?
It's called projection.
Off to Dunks.
BBL
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poteen Tue, May 20, 2008 12:25:41pm |
For the record, I updinged one of the petulant teenage fools upthread.
It was not intentional. It was the work of evil 'floating cursor faeries'.
As to Sen. Kennedy, he has served the people of Massachusetts, at their behest, for very long time. He and his family have the same difficulties ahead as others who have gone through similar diagnoses.
Taking potshots, no matter how cleverly written or profanity laced only
shows the writer as a small man.
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NoSubmission Tue, May 20, 2008 12:25:55pm |
SirGawain
The rules at LGF are pretty clear. You can always go start your own blog if you don't like it.
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keithgabryelski Tue, May 20, 2008 12:26:09pm |
from radio news:
Found by biopsy (diagnosis is pretty sound, then).
No course of treatment has been determined (operation or radiation)
He has not shown any further ill-effects other than the Saturday seizures.
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formercorpsman Tue, May 20, 2008 12:26:23pm |
re: #616 pschne54
If you recognize, most people would not argue that aspect under different circumstances.
Is it a problem to honor the wishes of Charles, and keep the discourse respectful?
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Silas Blex Tue, May 20, 2008 12:26:37pm |
re: #584 Shug
Kirtz is lurking and saving the bad-taste comments in the 2 minutes between their posting and their removal. He has an agenda and won't let 99.9% of the posts being respectful stand in his way
I'd like to think better of him but fear you are right.
As for the nick. It's used on King of the Hill all the time and it's almost always referring to a male; "Hey Shuuug". I hear it once in a blue moon here in my part of Texas from a waitress or two.
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opnion Tue, May 20, 2008 12:27:05pm |
re: #717 Shug
quite appropriate for this thread considering Lester is a cancer survivor
Good for him
We all pass multiple cancer survivors everyday on the street.
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alegrias Tue, May 20, 2008 12:27:10pm |
re: #702 DesertSage
Why is it always conservatives who are labeled 'low class' by people like Lord Obama?
If it were a Republican senator who was diagnosed with cancer, there would be so much venom and vitriol on PuffHo and Kos that they would have to close comments.
The opposite is true here on LGF...yet we're called the haters. What's up with that?
* * *
I think we are able to respect the individual and his or her's potential, not be so obsessed with classifying & dividing people into groups and condemning others.
Lizards are probably more hopeful and believe in individuals' abilities to change & strive & grow on their own, of their own free will.
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jcbunga Tue, May 20, 2008 12:27:35pm |
"For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you." Matthew 6:14.
That's why he should be forgiven. It's a lesson that seems to be lost on everyone who gets "offended" or "outraged"...especially those who claim to be pastors or reverends.
A case in point...Imus says a stupid thing and apologizes...Sharpton gloats.
Not a small point when you consider it.
Words are one thing.
Ted truly needs our prayers and forgiveness, but we also need to have it within us. Who are any of us not to forgive? If not for Ted, do so for yourselves. The Man upstairs is keeping score.
So ends the sermon.
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jamgarr Tue, May 20, 2008 12:27:36pm |
re: #642 SirGawain
Sorry I'm too honorable to honor killers. You have a warped view of morality if you believe otherwise.
I'm too honorable
Lighten up, Francis!
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Lightning_Man Tue, May 20, 2008 12:27:45pm |
re: #713 opnion
An article I read on line iterates what Ted the poster said: it's very deadly and very fast. No one knows what will happen for sure to Ted, but people have faced better odds than his.
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Catttt Tue, May 20, 2008 12:28:02pm |
re: #564 chicagodudewhotrades
Off-topic , but interesting:
I have a news headline service on my trading screen, I just saw something about Iran and Venezuela forming a joint bank based in Tehran with $1.2 billion in capital. This is just a headline, there is no story to go with it. It was written by Thompson financial wire service. Anybody seeing anything about this?
No, and I looked on Iranian news wire services. They had lots of OTHER joint venture announcements, but not this one.
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MilkOfMalfeasance Tue, May 20, 2008 12:28:59pm |
re: #734 MarkTheGreat
Really? That's all you have?
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Spiny Norman Tue, May 20, 2008 12:29:26pm |
re: #718 lurking faith
"Judge not, lest ye be judged."
Or you could show a little compassion to his family.
He'd rather prove himself no better than the Kos Kidz and Paint Huffers who wished pain and misery on Tony Snow.
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Joel Tue, May 20, 2008 12:29:39pm |
I dislike the man intensely but I wish him a speedy recovery. Cancer is the absolute worst thing that can happen to you.
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MandyManners Tue, May 20, 2008 12:29:44pm |
re: #734 MarkTheGreat
I agree but, THIS IS NEITHER THE TIME NOR THE PLACE FOR IT.
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Edouard Tue, May 20, 2008 12:29:51pm |
I saw Ted Kennedy in person once in 1987 in Los Angeles, giving a brief speech to a small packed room, an entertainment industry crowd. I was never a fan of his politics but let me tell you, when he was feeling on top of his game like that day, this guy could really hold a room with the sheer force of his presence and hard-charging speaking ability.
This diagnosis is a cruel one and I wouldn't wish it on any human being. Vaya con Dios senator.
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Chuck Pelto Tue, May 20, 2008 12:29:57pm |
TO: Charles Johnson, et al.
RE: That IS 'Sad'
"The cause of Senator Ted Kennedy’s seizure has been announced: a malignant tumor in the left parietal lobe of his brain." -- Charles Johnson, reporting what is all over the rest of the media
My Mother-in-Law has been diagnosed with an aggressive malignant cancer. She's going in for a second surgery within a month to slow its progress. The long-term prognosis is not good.
Despite my political views on the Senator I cannot help but empathize with his family as they face this challenge.
The dear brave lady, who is well couched in Christ, has told the oncologists to take their life-devaluing radiation treatment for themselves rather then spend excessive time in this venue; as opposed to the next. I hope the Senator has that kind of faith...for HIS sake.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Pray for those who persecute and abuse you. -- Some Wag, around 2000 years ago]
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 20, 2008 12:30:50pm |
MarkTheGreatThis user is blocked.
Registered since: Apr 17, 2007 at 6:22 pm
No. of comments posted: 2
No. of links posted: 0
Is this the record?
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poteen Tue, May 20, 2008 12:30:59pm |
re: #724 song_and_dance_man
List? LOL
You're working too hard SDM.
Find a big titted barmaid somewhere and waste an afternoon
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Catttt Tue, May 20, 2008 12:31:28pm |
re: #688 NJDhockeyfan
Speaks volumes of the quality of people who post there.
And it just shows that manners and decorum - those boring, old-fashioned qualities - grow rusty when they are not used often.
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Neo_ Tue, May 20, 2008 12:31:33pm |
It probably one of those "tiny non-threating" tumors.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 20, 2008 12:31:41pm |
re: #747 NJDhockeyfan
Is this the record?
MarkTheGreat--he ain't so great now!
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ArmyWife Tue, May 20, 2008 12:31:53pm |
re: #731 BFSkinner
This is relevant to the subject at hand how?
You know, I am just as critical of certain politics as anyone. Really, I am. But is it so darn hard to put that on the back burner for just a bit? Maybe its my southern up bringing, but posts like this are just bad manners!
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Joel Tue, May 20, 2008 12:31:55pm |
re: #570 loppyd
If it were Deval he'd probably appoint himself. LOL
Hi Loppyd. Great game from Lester last night. As for Kennedy;'s replacement, I would think it would be someone like Barney Frank.
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Creeping Eruption Tue, May 20, 2008 12:32:05pm |
re: #746 DesertSage
It's a Moby eruption!
Fifth column
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Widow'smight Tue, May 20, 2008 12:32:08pm |
re: #718 lurking faith
One of the great things about Christianity is the "love the sinner, hate the sin" part of it. We can surely hate what Senator Kennedy stood for, yet still show him and his family compassion in their time of need.
More is always expected out of Conservatives, we should show we're up to the task. Christ never asked what political party someone was with before he healed them, nor will I worry about it.
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bosforus Tue, May 20, 2008 12:33:22pm |
22 deleted comments in the hour and a half I was away! Geesh. I hope a lot of those were from quoting the original.
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BFSkinner Tue, May 20, 2008 12:33:54pm |
re: #753 ArmyWife
This is relevant to the subject at hand how?
You know, I am just as critical of certain politics as anyone. Really, I am. But is it so darn hard to put that on the back burner for just a bit? Maybe its my southern up bringing, but posts like this are just bad manners!
Errr.. huh. I think it is very relevant. It goes to show that even though we do not agree with someone's policy views we still support someone in their time of grief. I hardly think this is *bad manners*
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opnion Tue, May 20, 2008 12:33:57pm |
re: #702 DesertSage
Why is it always conservatives who are labeled 'low class' by people like Lord Obama?
If it were a Republican senator who was diagnosed with cancer, there would be so much venom and vitriol on PuffHo and Kos that they would have to close comments.
The opposite is true here on LGF...yet we're called the haters. What's up with that?
Obama is from a liberal school of thought that beieves compassion & conservative used in the same sentence to be counter intuitive.
They cogratulate themselves so much on their sensitivity that even when they are cruel , they give themselves a pass.
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Spiny Norman Tue, May 20, 2008 12:34:26pm |
re: #747 NJDhockeyfan
Is this the record?
There have been a fair number of one-post wonders.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 20, 2008 12:34:26pm |
re: #753 ArmyWife
This is relevant to the subject at hand how?
You know, I am just as critical of certain politics as anyone. Really, I am. But is it so darn hard to put that on the back burner for just a bit? Maybe its my southern up bringing, but posts like this are just bad manners!
Am I to assume then that you all from south of the mason Dixon think we have no manners up north? Not that I am disagreeing, just curious-Maam?
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bosforus Tue, May 20, 2008 12:35:19pm |
re: #768 savage_nation
Aaarh, there be whales here!
/scotty
Seems like there should be a hip blogging term for this kind of moby eruption.
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jamgarr Tue, May 20, 2008 12:35:33pm |
re: #736 Thanos
***
"Quote not the trolls lest it stick to thy face."
Guilty as charged - must . . .not . . .quote. . . nonsense!
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Tue, May 20, 2008 12:35:38pm |
re: #757 Widow'smight
One of the great things about Christianity is the "love the sinner, hate the sin" part of it. We can surely hate what Senator Kennedy stood for, yet still show him and his family compassion in their time of need.
More is always expected out of Conservatives, we should show we're up to the task. Christ never asked what political party someone was with before he healed them, nor will I worry about it.
hear hear!
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 20, 2008 12:35:47pm |
re: #708 SirGawain
Nice try Sherlock-with-home-detective-kit, however you're incorrect. Been posting at FR since 2000. Look me up. What are your creds?
FR was cesspool the other day when Kennedy had a seizure, so don't come speading your bullshit here. Asshole.
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Cygnus Tue, May 20, 2008 12:35:48pm |
re: #740 Charles
That's it.
Accounts are now being blocked.
Thank you, Charles.
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ArmyWife Tue, May 20, 2008 12:35:56pm |
re: #762 BFSkinner
I missed that as your point. Please accept my apologies. I was getting very frustrated with some of the abject stupidity being displayed. I am sorry to have wrongly included you in that group.
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ArmyWife Tue, May 20, 2008 12:36:24pm |
re: #767 Nevergiveup
Nope, I married a tried and true yankee - from Vermont no less. I love that chowder eater.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 20, 2008 12:36:38pm |
re: #764 buzzsawmonkey
Thar she blows! Thar she breaches!
... and promptly got harpooned, by Cap'n Stinky.
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lurking faith Tue, May 20, 2008 12:36:40pm |
re: #708 SirGawain
Nice try Sherlock-with-home-detective-kit, however you're incorrect. Been posting at FR since 2000. Look me up. What are your creds?
Ward Cleaver's an lgf member since just about forever, dumbass.
You, we don't know. And based on your posts today, we probably don't want to.
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ec marm Tue, May 20, 2008 12:36:53pm |
FreeRepublic put up four threads on this and had to take them down. They tried one last time but locked the thread after 24 comments. Not a "whole lot of love" for the Senator.
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ernieg Tue, May 20, 2008 12:36:57pm |
re: #770 bosforus
Seems like there should be a hip blogging term for this kind of moby eruption.
There is :THAAAR SHE BLOWS!
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Creeping Eruption Tue, May 20, 2008 12:37:03pm |
re: #773 Ward Cleaver
FR was cesspool the other day when Kennedy had a seizure, so don't come speading your bullshit here. Asshole.
He got the stick (Thank you Charles)
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joecitizen Tue, May 20, 2008 12:37:09pm |
Though I may have fallen victim to this if it were LGF policy at the time,perhaps an auto account block if a new Lizard hasn't posted within a coupla weeks of registering may help with some of these drive by posters and their attempts to upset Charles' apple cart?
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JCM Tue, May 20, 2008 12:37:17pm |
re: #758 bosforus
22 deleted comments in the hour and a half I was away! Geesh. I hope a lot of those were from quoting the original.
Nope, a couple of obnoxious sorts. Insisted on taking a dump on the coffee table.
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RememberSekhmet? Tue, May 20, 2008 12:37:37pm |
Cancer sucks. Brain cancer really sucks. Blessings for Ted Kennedy, as much as I disagree with him, I wish good health to him.
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Spiny Norman Tue, May 20, 2008 12:37:55pm |
re: #720 poteen
For the record, I updinged one of the petulant teenage fools upthread.
It was not intentional. It was the work of evil 'floating cursor faeries'.
I hate it when that happens. Curse the fascist cursor faeries!
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Shug Tue, May 20, 2008 12:38:09pm |
re: #773 Ward Cleaver
FR was cesspool the other day when Kennedy had a seizure, so don't come speading your bullshit here. Asshole.
He can add Banned at LGF to his un impressive Street Cred.
Agree, FR is a cesspool. He fits right in
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poteen Tue, May 20, 2008 12:38:21pm |
re: #759 song_and_dance_man
Of course I was kidding hence the ;-?.
Glad you found the humor in it, and er, no; no barmaid for me.
I was humorless with the now defunct mouse that was faery infected
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jorline Tue, May 20, 2008 12:38:22pm |
I posted this on another thread, but it's more apropos here. I can see that some of the HuffPo trolls were trying to post their filth.
I didn't agree with his politics, but my prayers go out to Senator Kennedy and his family.
This is what separates LGF from HuffPo. Had this been Bush or Cheney the they would have posted every vile comment and they would be dancing in the streets.
Thanks for keeping LGF a clean and classy site, Charles.
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BFSkinner Tue, May 20, 2008 12:38:41pm |
re: #776 ArmyWife
I missed that as your point. Please accept my apologies. I was getting very frustrated with some of the abject stupidity being displayed. I am sorry to have wrongly included you in that group.
Not a problem.. I can understand.
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joecitizen Tue, May 20, 2008 12:38:56pm |
re: #770 bosforus
Seems like there should be a hip blogging term for this kind of moby eruption.
moby dicks.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 20, 2008 12:39:03pm |
re: #708 SirGawain
Nice try Sherlock-with-home-detective-kit, however you're incorrect. Been posting at FR since 2000. Look me up. What are your creds?
Oh yeah, and I've been here since Feb. 2003, and 30,000+ comments. Suck on that, moby.
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Chuck Pelto Tue, May 20, 2008 12:39:05pm |
TO: ec marm
RE: It's To Be Expected
"FreeRepublic put up four threads on this and had to take them down. They tried one last time but locked the thread after 24 comments. Not a "whole lot of love" for the Senator." -- ec marm
I'm certain that there are as many un-Christian people on the Right as there are on the Left.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Understanding is a three-edged sword. -- Ambassador Kosh, Babylon 5]
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robopope Tue, May 20, 2008 12:39:41pm |
I have never agreed with Ted Kennedy politically, and have prayed for his heart to change on many issues. But we are all in this together (gadzooks that was cliched . . . sorry). This is different. My thoughts and prayers are with him and his family.
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Last Mohican Tue, May 20, 2008 12:39:54pm |
re: #42 galloping granny
I don't think anyone has had time to type anything yet. Tumor is a glioma in the left parietal lobe. They have already (as I understand it the day he was flown into MA General) done a biopsy.
Gliomas are very fast growing, very invasive turmors. Very dangerous.
Gliomas exhibit a broad spectrum of aggressiveness. Some are completely benign, persist for many years without growing, and may cause no symptoms at all. Others are highly malignant, with patients surviving for only a year or a few years after diagnosis.
The most common gliomas are astrocytomas, whose aggressiveness is graded on a four-point scale devised by the World Health Organization. Grades I and II are benign, III and IV are malignant. In light of Senator Kennedy's age, it's probable that he has a grade III astrocytoma ("anaplastic astrocytoma") or, more likely, a grade IV astrocytoma ("glioblastoma multiforme"). This would be consistent with the announcement that he has a "malignant glioma."
The left parietal lobe, being in the dominant half of the brain, can be a challenging location for surgery, because, depending on the tumor's exact location, surgery could interfere with language function. In any case, grade III and IV astrocytomas can't be cured by surgery, or by any other known treatment. When it's done, the purpose of surgery is just to relieve pressure on other parts of the brain that a growing tumor might be pushing on. But there's no way to cut out all of the tumor.
I join the other lizards in wishing Senator Kennedy strength, good fortune, and the very best prognosis possible.
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kynna Tue, May 20, 2008 12:40:11pm |
Prayers for him and his family. They've suffered a great deal over time.
And kudos to the Lizard community for their compassion. I'm actually surprised when I see someone be cruel. Never surprised on the lefty sites. So I'm glad the trolls and moby's were blocked. They are doubly upsetting because they obviously don't belong with a great bunch of caring people.
If Kennedy had endorsed Hillary! I think he'd be getting the Cheney treatment over at HuffPo. That's how crazy they are.
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Cygnus Tue, May 20, 2008 12:40:17pm |
re: #746 DesertSage
It's a Moby eruption!
And Charles has his harpoon already in action. Looks like moby meat is back on the menu, boys!
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capitalist piglet Tue, May 20, 2008 12:40:52pm |
I am stunned to hear this news; it's terribly sad. God bless you, Senator Kennedy. You and your family are in my prayers, and the prayers of many, many other conservatives.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 20, 2008 12:40:56pm |
re: #775 buzzsawmonkey
A "podfest?"
Certainly a "pod of mobys" sounds about right.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 20, 2008 12:41:04pm |
The mobys have been waiting for a thread like this. I wonder if MediaMatters is monitoring?
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godfrey Tue, May 20, 2008 12:41:23pm |
What a terrifying diagnosis. Prayers for Senator Kennedy and his family.
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Spiny Norman Tue, May 20, 2008 12:41:38pm |
re: #792 jorline
I posted this on another thread, but it's more apropos here. I can see that some of the HuffPo trolls were trying to post their filth.
Not Paint Huffers, but Freepers.
I thought they were Mobies, but not so.
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Shug Tue, May 20, 2008 12:41:58pm |
re: #805 Ward Cleaver
The mobys have been waiting for a thread like this. I wonder if MediaMatters is monitoring?
They are the mobys
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MilkOfMalfeasance Tue, May 20, 2008 12:42:05pm |
re: #804 Occasional Reader
Certainly a "pod of mobys" sounds about right.
How about: "Lipstick Fodder"
?
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JCM Tue, May 20, 2008 12:42:18pm |
re: #805 Ward Cleaver
The mobys have been waiting for a thread like this. I wonder if MediaMatters is monitoring?
Media Matters Mobys Mobilize!
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Dotcoman Tue, May 20, 2008 12:42:20pm |
re: #702 DesertSage
Why is it always conservatives who are labeled 'low class' by people like Lord Obama?
If it were a Republican senator who was diagnosed with cancer, there would be so much venom and vitriol on PuffHo and Kos that they would have to close comments.
The opposite is true here on LGF...yet we're called the haters. What's up with that?
It's just projection.
Sort of like the algorical accusing Bush of "he played on our fears," and then turning around and making money doing the exact same thing.
They just know anyone like them is a "racist hateful bastard" ( Think Akmed the dead Terrorist voice)
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Cap'n DOC Tue, May 20, 2008 12:42:36pm |
re: #803 capitalist piglet
Hate the sin, love the sinner.
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J.S. Tue, May 20, 2008 12:42:40pm |
When it was first reported -- i thought it was a benign tumor. Then I heard it was malignant. (and if it's the most common form -- which hasn't yet been confirmed, then he probably only has 6 months to live. I didn't agree with his policies, but prayers are probably in order...for him and for his family...)
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lurking faith Tue, May 20, 2008 12:43:01pm |
re: #745 Chuck Pelto
My sympathy to your family.
And to everybody out there dealing with similar illness.
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Cygnus Tue, May 20, 2008 12:43:08pm |
re: #789 MilkOfMalfeasance
DO NOT QUOTE
You're right. Sorry.
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DesertSage Tue, May 20, 2008 12:43:39pm |
re: #807 Spiny Norman
Not Paint Huffers, but Freepers.
I thought they were Mobies, but not so.
I'll bet there were a few PuffHo's mixed in with this latest bunch of Moby's.
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Chris in Toronto Tue, May 20, 2008 12:44:02pm |
re: #540 Zach_the_Lizard
I second Pegcity on this.
My BSc is Comp Sci with minor in Econ. My particular school, U of Saskatchewan, had a quite-left-wing econ dept, so bear in mind that left wing econ profs are out there. And they don't like to be challenged in class! That said, what econ provides is a way of looking at problems, which is a great skill to have.
G'luck.
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Slumbering Behemoth Tue, May 20, 2008 12:44:16pm |
Things are just going from bad to worse for him. I wouldn't wish this on anyone.
This has likely been pointed out many times already, but there is a stark contrast to the commentary here compared to the commentary on progressive/socialist blogs when Tony Snow was diagnosed with cancer.
This contrast is quite telling.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 20, 2008 12:44:26pm |
re: #810 JCM
Media Matters Mobys Mobilize!
Ah, alliteration!
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MilkOfMalfeasance Tue, May 20, 2008 12:44:27pm |
re: #815 Cygnus
I wasn't yelling. I was just typing in a green screen app, and forgot to turn off the Caps Lock. Sorry, lol.
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bosforus Tue, May 20, 2008 12:44:29pm |
re: #775 buzzsawmonkey
A "podfest?"
re: #781 ernieg
There is :THAAAR SHE BLOWS!
re: #784 song_and_dance_man
Digital splodydopes.
re: #794 joecitizen
moby dicks.
re: #799 Cap'n DOC
A Splooge?
LOL! Nice. It might have to happen once or twice more before it officially warrants a name though.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 20, 2008 12:44:33pm |
I don't think Teddy is thinking about Democrats or Republicans right now. His life just changed enormously.
I hope he gets better and retires.
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capitalist piglet Tue, May 20, 2008 12:45:15pm |
re: #780 ec marm
Not a surprise to me. They ban you there for being reasonable.
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debutaunt Tue, May 20, 2008 12:45:27pm |
re: #592 ArmyWife
As I tell my children, you need to leave some words in your head.
That is just plain perfect!
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beblebrox Tue, May 20, 2008 12:45:50pm |
From having spoken to my soon to be ex-wife who is in neuro and taken care of many glio patients. for the most part this diagnosis is an almost certain death sentence. As much is i disagree with Ted, I do not wish this upon him. the stories i have been told are heartbreaking, to say the least.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 20, 2008 12:46:02pm |
Speaking of vanquished mobys and the like, here is your short literary break:
A short space elapsed, and up into this noiselessness came Ahab alone from his cabin. Taking a few turns on the quarter-deck, he paused to gaze over the side, then slowly getting into the main-chains he took Stubb’s long spade still remaining there after the whale’s decapitation and striking it into the lower part of the half-suspended mass, placed its other end crutchwise under one arm, and so stood leaning over with eyes attentively fixed on this head.It was a black and hooded head; and hanging there in the midst of so intense a calm, it seemed the Sphynx’s in the desert. “Speak, thou vast and venerable head,” muttered Ahab, “which, though ungarnished with a beard, yet here and there lookest hoary with mosses; speak, mighty head, and tell us the secret thing that is in thee. Of all divers, thou hast dived the deepest. That head upon which the upper sun now gleams, has moved amid this world’s foundations. Where unrecorded names and navies rust, and untold hopes and anchors rot; where in her murderous hold this frigate earth is ballasted with bones of millions of the drowned; there, in that awful water-land, there was thy most familiar home. Thou hast been where bell or diver never went; hast slept by many a sailor’s side, where sleepless mothers would give their lives to lay them down. Thou saw’st the locked lovers when leaping from their flaming ship; heart to heart they sank beneath the exulting wave; true to each other, when heaven seemed false to them. Thou saw’st the murdered mate when tossed by pirates from the midnight deck; for hours he fell into the deeper midnight of the insatiate maw; and his murderers still sailed on unharmed—while swift lightnings shivered the neighboring ship that would have borne a righteous husband to outstretched, longing arms. O head! thou has seen enough to split the planets and make an infidel of Abraham, and not one syllable is thine!”
Melville rocks.
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eaglewingz08 Tue, May 20, 2008 12:46:03pm |
As someone who has suffered with cancer I send my prayers to the Kennedy clan. I hope that this will result in his taking off from the Senate, and a new face and special election held. Perhaps Mitt Romney could run for the seat so there is at least some sanity to return to Taxachussetts.
Finally, I think it is a bit ironic that Ted is suffering from a meGLIOMAniacal condition. But I do wish it is cured.
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capitalist piglet Tue, May 20, 2008 12:46:48pm |
re: #812 Cap'n DOC
Yes, and being a sinner myself, I am grateful for grace when I need it.
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drewberto Tue, May 20, 2008 12:47:07pm |
whos is going to be kennedy's replacement? can the repub's in mass pull something off in his disrict? is a replacement senator appointed? is kennedy still considered fit to work?
just wondering what sorts of ramifications people think this could have on the political scene?
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Cato Tue, May 20, 2008 12:47:25pm |
If anyone has a medical background can they tell me whether this is the location where the cancer originated or is it possible it is metastatic?
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MilkOfMalfeasance Tue, May 20, 2008 12:47:31pm |
re: #823 bosforus
LOL! Nice. It might have to happen once or twice more before it officially warrants a name though.
How about: "The Amitori hou Effect"
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 20, 2008 12:47:38pm |
re: #828 beblebrox
for the most part this diagnosis is an almost certain death sentence
Gah.
Well, however much I disagree with Ted Kennedy's politics, I hope he beats the odds.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 20, 2008 12:47:59pm |
re: #824 NJDhockeyfan
I don't think Teddy is thinking about Democrats or Republicans right now. His life just changed enormously.
I hope he gets better and retires.
I hope Ted beats this, and I wish his family the best in these difficult times...HOWEVER, I am sure Ted is still thinking Democrats all the times. It is what keeps him going. It pumps him up. It's what he lives for ( besides his family). Ordinarily I might criticize him for that, but not now- Go for it Teddy.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 20, 2008 12:48:40pm |
re: #836 savage_nation
wow
My favorite part. The rest of Moby Dick could have been a recitation of grocery lists, and it would still be a classic.
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KojiroVance Tue, May 20, 2008 12:49:54pm |
I was deeply saddened to hear this news. We should all pray for the Senator and his family.
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Creeping Eruption Tue, May 20, 2008 12:49:57pm |
re: #842 snowcrash
Moby mobilization?
Mobylization?
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dloe Tue, May 20, 2008 12:49:59pm |
My deepest sympathies and prayers for him and his family.
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Chuck Pelto Tue, May 20, 2008 12:50:20pm |
TO: lurking faith
RE: [OT] Indeed
"And to everybody out there dealing with similar illness." -- lurking faith
My biggest concern, at the moment, is the effort on the part of the medical industry to get her to 'take the long way home', i.e., radiation treatment; where they pull all your teeth and you get fed through a tube going directly into your stomach.
The prognosis for this treatment, with this form of cancer, is only 25% survive for four years. [Note: They don't seem to want to mention how many survive BEYOND that. And I see it as an indication of 'marketing', vis-a-vis Dilbert.]
They even, before my very eyes, tried to convince her that she HAD decided on this approach. When she had not.
You have to be VERY careful dealing with the medical industry in these circumstances.
Used to be hospitals were operated by religious orders. Now they're operated by 'non-profit' corporations. There IS something of a difference, as the CEO of the hospital...er...Medical Center, a block away from where I live reputedly said his reason d'etre is to "improve the bottom line".
I think there is a new priority system. And in that system, the patient is not the top item in the list.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
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yma o hyd Tue, May 20, 2008 12:50:28pm |
re: #824 NJDhockeyfan
I don't think Teddy is thinking about Democrats or Republicans right now. His life just changed enormously.
I hope he gets better and retires.
I sincerely wish so too - but the main thing for him and his family now is to cope with this enormous change.
My husband had two months between diagnosis and death - he was able to sort many things out, but it still was far too soon, unexpected even by his doctores.
Cancers are as different as people, one can't predict what is going to happen.
Theo one thing one can - and must - do, is to give one's life into God's ahnds.
I am sure that Ted Kennedy and his family will have the spiritual guidance they need - they all are in my prayers.
God will be merciful.
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beblebrox Tue, May 20, 2008 12:50:42pm |
re: #838 Occasional Reader
Gah.
Well, however much I disagree with Ted Kennedy's politics, I hope he beats the odds.
she told me the story of the 32 Y.O. patient with a new wife and an 8 month old baby who spent his last days in the hospital modeling suits for his wife and mother tosee what he would like best in his coffin. i wasn't even there and cried.
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Last Mohican Tue, May 20, 2008 12:50:45pm |
re: #835 Cato
By definition, a glioma is a primary brain tumor that arises from the glial cells within the brain, as opposed to a metastatic tumor that originated elsewhere.
Again, in light of Senator Kennedy's age, it's overwhelmingly likely that his tumor is a glioblastoma multiforme (whose official name was recently shortened to just "glioblastoma").
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doppelganglander Tue, May 20, 2008 12:51:21pm |
re: #682 reine.de.tout
My kids were in 4th, 7th and 9th grades. The older kids were told, but not the elementary aged kids. My daughter was pretty upset because teachers were crying and no one would tell them why. I really think they should have been told, rather than having to wait 6 hours until they got home.
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ATC Guy Tue, May 20, 2008 12:52:28pm |
Almost all of my family has died from some form of cancer, so here's to the Kennedy family and the sadness they will surely endure: God be with you, and may you finally find peace. Ted, I may never agree with your politics, but I do wish you the very best.
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JCM Tue, May 20, 2008 12:52:30pm |
re: #834 drewberto
whos is going to be kennedy's replacement? can the repub's in mass pull something off in his disrict? is a replacement senator appointed? is kennedy still considered fit to work?
just wondering what sorts of ramifications people think this could have on the political scene?
Discussed above. Cliff notes.
MA has special elections for vacated Senate seats. Out come depends on who runs. Balance of the Senate won't be affected. However Kennedy has senior positions on lots of committees, MA would lose that senior pull in the committees, another (D) would move into those positions.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 20, 2008 12:52:46pm |
re: #848 beblebrox
she told me the story of the 32 Y.O. patient with a new wife and an 8 month old baby who spent his last days in the hospital modeling suits for his wife and mother tosee what he would like best in his coffin. i wasn't even there and cried.
Criminy.
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Fat Jolly Penguin Tue, May 20, 2008 12:53:02pm |
re: #842 snowcrash
Moby mobilization?
Moby-lization.
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Fat Jolly Penguin Tue, May 20, 2008 12:53:32pm |
re: #844 Creeping Eruption
Mobylization?
Bah, you beat me to it.
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Edouard Tue, May 20, 2008 12:53:40pm |
re: #829 Occasional Reader
Moby-Dick is sublime.
Melville was a literary giant, sorely underappreciated in his day, and that, I agree, is a great passage.
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CyanSnowHawk Tue, May 20, 2008 12:53:46pm |
re: #708 SirGawain
Blast it, I hit the wrong damn button and gave him a "+".
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Creeping Eruption Tue, May 20, 2008 12:54:11pm |
re: #858 Fat Jolly Penguin
Sorry. Great minds think alike
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alegrias Tue, May 20, 2008 12:54:28pm |
Last Veteran's Day I visited Arlington Cemetery where Senator Kennedy's brothers and sister in law Jackie plus possibly their infants are buried. If you come to DC, do come honor America's servants and those who made the ultimate sacrifice for their country in a beautiful setting.
Plenty of people around the world will pray for Senator Kennedy and his family, as they still do every day to judge by the number of riders to the Arlington Cemetery metro stop, right next to the Pentagon.
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Creeping Eruption Tue, May 20, 2008 12:54:42pm |
re: #860 CyanSnowHawk
Blast it, I hit the wrong damn button and gave him a "+".
No worries. He's toast anyway.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 20, 2008 12:54:52pm |
re: #848 beblebrox
she told me the story of the 32 Y.O. patient with a new wife and an 8 month old baby who spent his last days in the hospital modeling suits for his wife and mother tosee what he would like best in his coffin. i wasn't even there and cried.
Oh my.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 20, 2008 12:54:55pm |
re: #860 CyanSnowHawk
Blast it, I hit the wrong damn button and gave him a "+".
I am sure you are not the only one. The buttons were flying today. I think I did it once also.
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Golem Akbar Tue, May 20, 2008 12:54:55pm |
I must say that having a cancer diagnosed certainly puts things in perspective. I had a real problem at work, and thought my life was nearly over. Fortunately, I have a good family, and received a lot of support and love over only a professional situation.
Two months ago my brother-in-law was diagnosed with esophogeal cancer, and it metasized to his liver. Things are pretty dire for him, and his chemo-therapy has him down in a major way. He is battling this for all he's worth, and his spirits are high, even though his energy is totally sapped.
In retrospect, my own small problems are nothing compared to a fight for life that cancer patients have to go through. I wish only health and the love of family for Senator Kennedy. We can all learn something positive from this, I believe.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 20, 2008 12:55:00pm |
re: #859 Edouard
The first time I read that passage, I think I put down the book and just stared into the middle distance for about five full minutes.
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jcbunga Tue, May 20, 2008 12:55:12pm |
I only saw Ted once...
I was in one of the Senate office buildings to attend a hearing for a college course a couple years ago...so I'm waiting for the elevator and here comes Ted right at me...both arms were full of books and papers and he was walking a hundred miles an hour.
He said "Hi, how are you?" and kept on going.
I remember thinking this guy is on the clock and busting his a$$. No trail of servants to haul his debris for him.
Not much, but it qualifies as a first impression.
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drewberto Tue, May 20, 2008 12:55:22pm |
re: #855 JCM
Thx! i was just concerned because in my district ARLEN SPECTOR (r) also has cancer for the second time and he is fairly senior and i know that the dems will make a real push on that seat if they get the opertunity so i was just wondering what the push back potential is going to be. thaks for the input.
Id also just like to give a get well to sen spector because i like the dude and he should get a blog to in my opinion.
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Sabnen Tue, May 20, 2008 12:55:24pm |
Truly a fascinating thread here! The difference in response mode between HuffPo and Kos vs. LGFer's is very telling. I'm proud to be a Lizard!
Now I have to figure out why this is so.
I think re: #589 crown_of_feathers is on the right track . . .
. . . To them, everything is subservient to the Cause. Human sympathy is not one of their strong points.
I think there is Faith involved here too.
Having Charles around doesn't hurt either.
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Widow'smight Tue, May 20, 2008 12:56:15pm |
re: #772 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
Liberalism will in no way be diminished by this suffering, so our battle against it will continue. If we believe that individual rights are more important than societal rights, we should be able to feel compassion on an individual basis also.
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Catttt Tue, May 20, 2008 12:57:01pm |
re: #852 buzzsawmonkey
You are so talented. Here is what I was thinking (see how much less adept I am?):
One two three
A moby bites the dust
One two three
A sock puppet bites the dust
And another one's gone and another one's gone
Another one bites the dust.
Hey! We're going to get you too!
Another one bites the dust.
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pleaseandthankyou Tue, May 20, 2008 12:58:09pm |
It's gratifying that the majority here are expressing their humanity rather than their partisanship, or the type of hatred you see on the left wing blogs. I've always felt that even if you have the right to say something, even if what you say is true, doesn't mean that it's always the right time to say it. BTW, what's a "moby"?
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 20, 2008 12:58:12pm |
re: #863 alegrias
as they still do every day to judge by the number of riders to the Arlington Cemetery metro stop, right next to the Pentagon
And one request to those who visit Arlington (I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but, anyway); if a funeral procession approaches while you're there (and it may), take a moment, doff your hat, place your hand over your heart (I'd say "salute if you're military", but those who are military already know that), and stand to honor the dead as the motorcade passes.
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Muadib Tue, May 20, 2008 12:58:52pm |
Good luck Senator Kennedy. I hope you win the fight against cancer.
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beblebrox Tue, May 20, 2008 12:59:15pm |
re: #861 savage_nation
oh man, thats brutal...
no, ted doesnt in any way deserver this. there is only one person on earth i would wish that upon, and anyone, and i mean anyone in politics doesn't warrant it in my book. you have to really wrong me in a way far above and beyond that to earn that level of hatred.
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alegrias Tue, May 20, 2008 12:59:16pm |
re: #873 Widow'smight
Liberalism will in no way be diminished by this suffering, so our battle against it will continue. If we believe that individual rights are more important than societal rights, we should be able to feel compassion on an individual basis also.
* * *
Our spirited respectful debates will continue.
We've got a great group of individuals who are compassionate here.
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joecitizen Tue, May 20, 2008 12:59:30pm |
may The Day of the Dead Mobys lead to The Night of the Trounced Trolls.
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bosforus Tue, May 20, 2008 12:59:43pm |
re: #831 song_and_dance_man
mobyfart
I like that one. Short, to the point, and easy to use in a sentence.
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Catttt Tue, May 20, 2008 1:00:41pm |
re: #869 jcbunga
I only saw Ted once...
I was in one of the Senate office buildings to attend a hearing for a college course a couple years ago...so I'm waiting for the elevator and here comes Ted right at me...both arms were full of books and papers and he was walking a hundred miles an hour.
He said "Hi, how are you?" and kept on going.
I remember thinking this guy is on the clock and busting his a$$. No trail of servants to haul his debris for him.
Not much, but it qualifies as a first impression.
Everything I've heard from people who know the man says two things about him:
He works really hard at his job.
He is a really nice guy.
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sngnsgt Tue, May 20, 2008 1:00:58pm |
As an Epileptic, I can sympathize with what Sen. Kennedy and his family are going through. Not only is it hard for the person having a seizure, it's hard for the family and friends who witness them. My deepest sympathies go out to Sen. Kennedy knowing first hand what he's gone through. Even though I don't agree with his politics, I don't wish a seizure or Epilepsy on ANYONE.
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loppyd Tue, May 20, 2008 1:01:06pm |
re: #754 Joel
Hi Loppyd. Great game from Lester last night. As for Kennedy;'s replacement, I would think it would be someone like Barney Frank.
Hi Joel!
It was wonderful to witness.
Whoever his replacement ends up being - for whatever reason - will be decided by the voters of MA in a special election.
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tripster Tue, May 20, 2008 1:01:34pm |
re: #876 Occasional Reader
Good advice.
I'd like to add the same when the flag passes you at a parade. It's amazing the amount of people how don't pay respect to our nation's colors.
Some haven't been taught very well.
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Zonie Tue, May 20, 2008 1:02:51pm |
As a recent cancer diagnosee, my prayers are with him and his family. We're 30+ years into the "War on Cancer" started in 1974 and we've made no appreciable progress with standard treatments. It's time to liberalize the pharmaceutical system and open the gates for new drugs from natural research. Let the market rule.
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cptham Tue, May 20, 2008 1:03:19pm |
Its already been said but if this were ohhh say Sen. Mitch McConnell or Nancy Kassebaum or Liddy Dole, the handsprings on the Left would be stupifying. Congrats to Lizards everywhere for taking the high road. As for Teddy K, I hope you recover and have a looong retirement
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jorline Tue, May 20, 2008 1:03:50pm |
re: #779 lurking faith
Ward Cleaver's an lgf member since just about forever, dumbass.
You, we don't know. And based on your posts today, we probably don't want to.
I'll second that!
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Chuck Pelto Tue, May 20, 2008 1:03:53pm |
TO: Occasional Reader
RE: Isn't It About Time...
"Occasional Reader
Putting the "do it!" into "shady Rovian conduit" since 2002. He's been described as "haughty, prideful, and full of himself".
Registered since: Jun 15, 2004 at 10:57 am
No. of comments posted: 31,468
No. of links posted: 3
Show comments within last 7 days
Topic: Breaking: Ted Kennedy Diagnosed with Brain Tumor
Comment #: 868 " -- LGF Stats
...you considered changing your nom de blog? To something more like 'Regular Reader'?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 20, 2008 1:03:59pm |
re: #889 Zonie
As a recent cancer diagnosee,
I am so sorry to hear that. Fight the good fight, and kick the cancer to the curb.
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HolmWrecker Tue, May 20, 2008 1:04:11pm |
Man, you guys are a far better human than I. I have nothing nice to say about him, so I won't. I was surprised at the civility in the posts here. Again, you people are far better than I.
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Clemente Tue, May 20, 2008 1:04:32pm |
re: #850 DesertSage
A Murmuration of Moby's.
A mumblage, maybe?
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Eowyn2 Tue, May 20, 2008 1:04:58pm |
re: #673 Nevergiveup
Some of the things that pop into my mind scare me.
I once found three pennies, a q-tip, and an old ring in my mind.
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GGMac Tue, May 20, 2008 1:05:07pm |
re: #675 drewberto
re: #602 GGMac
i was speaking for myself. i wasnt determining anything for anyone. do you even know what my original remark said? i was expressing my philosophy and experience on dealing with life's travails.
My apologies for offending you. In the context of the thread topic, your terminology "...we all..." seemed double-edged.
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Eowyn2 Tue, May 20, 2008 1:06:25pm |
re: #698 Occasional Reader
Can you say "rotating title gold"?
fools gold
iron pyrite
plated
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joecitizen Tue, May 20, 2008 1:06:26pm |
re: #895 HolmWrecker
Man, you guys are a far better human than I. I have nothing nice to say about him, so I won't. I was surprised at the civility in the posts here. Again, you people are far better than I.
nice to know your limitations and shortcomings as a human being.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 20, 2008 1:06:39pm |
re: #893 Chuck Pelto
...you considered changing your nom de blog? To something more like 'Regular Reader'?
I think I was trying to suggest something about the duality of man.
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debutaunt Tue, May 20, 2008 1:07:18pm |
re: #756 Creeping Eruption
Fifth column
Trojan Troll Alert.
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drewberto Tue, May 20, 2008 1:07:56pm |
re: #899 GGMac
apology accepted. im still right though, lol. ;)
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Former SSG Tue, May 20, 2008 1:08:32pm |
re: #889 Zonie
See laf.org for the fight on cancer. Great work is being done.
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Eowyn2 Tue, May 20, 2008 1:09:11pm |
re: #903 debutaunt
Trojan Troll Alert.
beware of trolls bearing trojans?
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Cygnus Tue, May 20, 2008 1:09:35pm |
re: #842 snowcrash
Moby mobilization?
Moby mob.
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tedzilla99 Tue, May 20, 2008 1:11:03pm |
Lots of lizards have been touched by cancer - I always suggest going to a local Relay For Life to remember anyone you've lost or support those that are fighting. It's a fantastic event where you can connect with your community and raise money that stays in your area.
Check out relayforlife.org and search for local events. If you've never been, this video really gives you a great idea of what happens, but it can't compare to actually being there.
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lurking faith Tue, May 20, 2008 1:11:18pm |
re: #846 Chuck Pelto
Sadly, practitioners don't always have the patient's best interests in mind. Or they think they do, but they have very different ideas about what's "best." (They themselves are judged on numbers, as in time-of-survival or time-to-recurrence, not on quality of life.)
I have a strong bias in favor of hitting cancer hard, immediately, with every tool the patient is strong enough to handle. But only if there is reasonable hope that this approach can offer significant benefits. And only the patient can decide if the potential benefit is worth the price.
If I were a Kennedy, I would be searching for relevant clinical trials today. Ok, maybe not until tomorrow. But with the likelihood of a very grim prognosis under standard treatment, it's worth looking into any experiments that may be out there.
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jorline Tue, May 20, 2008 1:11:46pm |
re: #807 Spiny Norman
Not Paint Huffers, but Freepers.
I thought they were Mobies, but not so.
Time to clean house.
It's amazing how fast these assholes come out of the woodwork, one minute they're a mind dead slumbering troll, the next minute they're frothing at the mouth.
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yochanan Tue, May 20, 2008 1:11:58pm |
teddy may you have a total refuah slamah, hope you can enjoy your grand children
Teddy will get the best medical coverage in the world today I wish everybody who was sick could also get the same gold plated coverage as our congresscritters.
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CyanSnowHawk Tue, May 20, 2008 1:13:54pm |
I nearly lost my Mother to Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma several years ago. Fear and uncertainty were a constant companion on that road.
I wish the Kennedy Family well, and hope for effective treatment, little discomfort, and what dignity Ted may keep as he goes through this.
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Widow'smight Tue, May 20, 2008 1:14:04pm |
re: #879 alegrias
Yes they will, and so will our disagreeableness on certain topics. At the end of the day though, I still have to work, be a husband and a father.
My lack of compassion towards other folks that I disagree with reveals more about me than it does about those I curse.
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Gus Bailey Tue, May 20, 2008 1:14:24pm |
re: #13 marge45b
Our prayers are with him and his family.
Ours as well.
Gus.
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BeckoningChasm Tue, May 20, 2008 1:14:41pm |
This is terrible. I don't like him or his politics, but this is just awful, and I hope he has a full recovery.
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Catttt Tue, May 20, 2008 1:15:13pm |
re: #906 Former SSG
See laf.org for the fight on cancer. Great work is being done.
I'm a cancer survivor. The testing and treatment they used was explained to me by the doctor, who told me where my tests had been done. That same day, I'd heard about it on NPR (on the way to the doctor) - the testing and treatment had been developed by the doctor and co. who had done my testing and recommendations for treatment - it was that new.
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mikalm Tue, May 20, 2008 1:16:37pm |
Very bad news. I loathe his politics, but feel for him as a suffering human being. May God grant him a swift recovery.
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Former SSG Tue, May 20, 2008 1:18:59pm |
re: #920 Cattt
I'm so happy for you. LAF is paying for a lot of that cutting edge technology - plus has great resources for survivors. May you last as long as you need to, and do all you dream of!
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Widow'smight Tue, May 20, 2008 1:20:41pm |
re: #920 Cattt
Cancer don't have much of a chance in a Cattt fight. My dad's had Cancer 4 times (Malynoma sp?). Plus a heart attack, stroke and now a pacemaker. Loves his great-grandson a bunch, and still loves his desserts.
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Spiny Norman Tue, May 20, 2008 1:21:57pm |
re: #895 HolmWrecker
Man, you guys are a far better human than I. I have nothing nice to say about him, so I won't. I was surprised at the civility in the posts here. Again, you people are far better than I.
Most all of us have plenty to say about Senator Kennedy's politics and his past, but terminal cancer is a horror none of us would wish on our worst enemies.
Well, maybe Osama bin Hidin' or some of his Hitler-wannabe friends...
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mikalm Tue, May 20, 2008 1:21:59pm |
And one more thing: I can't think of a family in American public life that's suffered more tragedies than the Kennedys. Whatever our politics, we all need to pray that they have strength and courage to face whatever may happen next.
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Zonie Tue, May 20, 2008 1:22:00pm |
re: #894 Occasional Reader
Thanks so much. I agreed to take a couple of early rounds of chemo, but this is Multiple Myeloma with renal failure, and standard medical approaches don't offer much hope. I am following a diet called the Budwig Protocol, vegetarian and very strict but I feel it's the best chance I have. I may try laetrile or essaic as time goes on, if the Budwig thing isn't reducing my cell count.
I really have been very blessed through my diagnosis and care. So many people are on my side! I'm lucky to have such a great support system.
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Catttt Tue, May 20, 2008 1:24:41pm |
re: #922 Former SSG
I'm so happy for you. LAF is paying for a lot of that cutting edge technology - plus has great resources for survivors. May you last as long as you need to, and do all you dream of!
Thanks. I'll bookmark the link and check it out.
Interesting side note:
The doctors who saved my life: one was Jewish, one was of Arabic background, and one was from a Hindu background. Oh - and all are American. :)
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Gus Bailey Tue, May 20, 2008 1:25:14pm |
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GogleddCymru Tue, May 20, 2008 1:27:53pm |
My Welsh Assembly Member & I have had several altercations on scientific issues - quite heated in fact. She announced today that she has bone marrow cancer & vows to fight on. I must admit to tears in the eyes. I will send her my best wishes.
