No linkage?

I can't find any article, just messages here.

Well I wish him the best. If a cure is not possible, then as many quality months with his family as are possible.

Poor man. I hope there's a treatment.

If not, may he reach peace.

Headlines on news sites, not yet on Drudge.

wth? Is this a joke? (Sorry! I haven't been watching the news the last couple of days!)

[Link: abclocal.go.com...]

re: #6 Israel4ever

wth? Is this a joke? (Sorry! I haven't been watching the news the last couple of days!)

Appears to be true.

re: #6 Israel4ever

He had a seizure over the weekend.

[Link: news.google.com...]

Bummer.

oh i see. I almost couldn't believe this. yikes

Our prayers are with him and his family.

re: #6 Israel4ever

wth? Is this a joke? (Sorry! I haven't been watching the news the last couple of days!)

He had seizures, not a stroke, and now this diagnosis, which sounds very, very serious, according to postings here.

I disagree with Senator Kennedy's politics, but he is a fellow American and a fellow human being so I sincerely pray for his recovery and wish his family well.

left parietal lobe

Damage to the left parietal lobe can result in what is called "Gerstmann's Syndrome." It includes right-left confusion, difficulty with writing (agraphia) and difficulty with mathematics (acalculia). It can also produce disorders of language (aphasia) and the inability to perceive objects normally (agnosia).

re: #6 Israel4ever

The front page has a thread about it.

frack. this news makes my rainy seattle day that much more grey. here's wishing the senator much strength for what he faces.

Prayers for the Ted and Kennedy family. Much strength and peace for them in the coming days.

re: #2 Shug

Well I wish him the best. If a cure is not possible, then as many quality months with his family as are possible.

What she said.

May he enjoy the blessings of God, the comfort of his family, and the services of the finest medical treatment.

My prayers for him and his family.

S.

Not my favourite politician, but I wish him all the best, hope he gets better soon.

re: #18 kayatribe

frack. this news makes my rainy seattle day that much more grey. here's wishing the senator much strength for what he faces.

I hoped you enjoyed our summer last weekend.
/

I need a new nickname.
Everybody thinks I'm a she

how about Brutus?

I don't care who you are or how much I disagree with you - NOBODY deserves cancer. Lost my mother to it, my brother is in remission (bladder), sister in remmision (brain), lost father-in-law two years ago (lung). I HATE CANCER.

I've disagreed with many of the things he has championed and his questionable behavior, but I'm still sorry to hear about his troubles. A difficult road lays ahead.

Reuters reports it is a glioma.

Ya know, I hate to say it but if Kennedy was a Republican he'd probably have the left wing sites happy that he's got a tumor like they were happy that Tony Snow had cancer. I hope he gets better, even though I strongly disagree with his political policies.

Not good, my brother died of lung cancer 1 1/2 years ago and it started going to the brain. Bad news for Mr. Kennedy and his family, another tragedy for the Kennedys. I despise the man's politics to my very core but I wish him longer life and comfort at this terrible time in his life. May he be in no pain.

I wish him the best. Hopefully, he can overcome this.

That's too bad. Prayers for the Kennedy family.

My best wishes go out to the Kennedy family. G-D knows they have had their share of tragedy. But I am a tad ticked already seeing liberal talking heads on TV already using this to plug their liberal agendas.

Here's a link (might be the same AP story). I don't like Teddy but that's a horrifying diagnosis. May he fight to live on.

It may be too early, but has anyone heard his prognosis?

My thoughts are with Senator Kennedy and his family in this very tough time. While I don't agree with his politics, there's no doubt that he's been a major figure on the political scene for a great many years.

The news sounds pretty scary, but I understand that the place where he is now is one of the best in the world, so here's to hoping he can fight through this to more quality years of life with his family.

I'm no fan but Good Luck Senator!

re: #15 CIA Reject

I disagree with Senator Kennedy's politics, but he is a fellow American and a fellow human being so I sincerely pray for his recovery and wish his family well.

same here. none of us should wish ill on anyone...

re: #36 opnion

It may be too early, but has anyone heard his prognosis?

Poor.

This sounds just awful.

Can any lizards w/ medical savvy fill us in?
If it's a malignant glioma in the parietal lobe, my guess is that it is inoperable. Is that probably so?
Will radiation retard its progress?
I've known a couple of people w/ brain tumors who suffered horrible headaches.
Is this likely to happen?

I'm hoping he won't be in pain and that they can do something to slow down the growth.

re: #1 itellu3times

No linkage?

I can't find any article, just messages here.

I don't think anyone has had time to type anything yet. Tumor is a glioma in the left parietal lobe. They have already (as I understand it the day he was flown into MA General) done a biopsy.

Gliomas are very fast growing, very invasive turmors. Very dangerous.

re: #26 Dolphin

It is utterly awful.

Although we do not share the same point-of-view, I wish him the best for a speedy recovery.

Regardless of political persuasion, no one deserves that diagnosis.

As much as I dislike his politics I wish him health and if not that then the loving arms of his family

Godspeed, Mr. Kennedy.

My mom died of the same thing. Sadly it is a grim diagnosis even with removal, chemo and radiation. Rarely more than a year.
My prayers are with the Senator and his family.

re: #28 lawhawk

Reuters reports it is a glioma.

Quick googling says thats one of the nastiest kinds, does not respond well to treatment.

Do they know if it is operable? What kind of chances does a man of his age (and habits) have with chemo and radiation therapies?

I pity him and his family and what they are all going to have to go through in the coming weeks and months.

re: #41 wolfie

This sounds just awful.

Can any lizards w/ medical savvy fill us in?
If it's a malignant glioma in the parietal lobe, my guess is that it is inoperable. Is that probably so?
Will radiation retard its progress?
I've known a couple of people w/ brain tumors who suffered horrible headaches.
Is this likely to happen?

I'm hoping he won't be in pain and that they can do something to slow down the growth.

They biopsied it so it is likely also operable. The big problem with a glioma is actually getting it all - very difficult to do. Let me see if I can find anything in layman's terms.

re: #25 Shug

I need a new nickname.
Everybody thinks I'm a she

how about Brutus?

I second that motion.
He was "the noblest Roman of them all."

Glioma.
Wiki is fast, Kennedy is already in the notable cases section.

re: #29 dalejrfanfreak

Ya know, I hate to say it but if Kennedy was a Republican he'd probably have the left wing sites happy that he's got a tumor like they were happy that Tony Snow had cancer. I hope he gets better, even though I strongly disagree with his political policies.

Kos would be doing handsprings and passing out candy.
Prayers for Sen. Kennedy and his family.

Isn't it nice to see that everybody on this side is, to this point anyway, civil and supportive? What would happen, I wonder, on one of the opposition's sites, if it was someone from our team?

Anyway, this is pretty much a death sentence, especially since it wasn't caught until he had major symptoms. Go with God.

My prayers to Senator Kennedy, his faily and his friends. Though a hope for a cure is always wished for, if that can't happen, may he find comfort and peace.

This is the most I can find right now from CNN

Kennedy has malignant tumor
Sen. Edward Kennedy has a malignant brain tumor. The hospital treating Kennedy released a statement today saying that the tumor was found during tests after the senator had a seizure Saturday. The tumor is in his left parietal lobe. Full story soon.

I had a friend who had a brain tumor (not sure where; almost assuredly not where Senator Kennedy's is) and while they were able to get it out with surgery and she's in remission, she is definitely not the same person. Lots of physical disabilities now and a real problem with fatigue.

It's tough to watch in a friend. I just wonder what the doctors are suggesting for the senator. Prayers for him.

Politics aside, my prayers are with him and his family, for peace, comfort and consolation during this very traumatic time.

I have had much fun over the years poking fun at the fat man but I would not wish this on anyone. I watched my aunt die of a series of brain tumors.

My prayers are with him and for his family. I hope he has made his peace with the maker.

Shoot. I'm sorry to hear it.
Hope he'll have great treatment and will recover.

re: #2 Shug

There is treatment for it:

On May 20, 2008, doctors discovered that Kennedy has a glioma, a type of malignant brain tumor.The typical treatment is indicated as radiation and chemotherapy.

A speedy recovery.

I lost a good friend to a brain tumor a few years ago. She was only in her early 50s. It's so sad to watch. His family should be with him now, while he still knows what's going on around him.

*cringe* Not good.

I extend basic human sympathy and a broad wish that he not suffer needlessly. As for the rest... That's not up to me.

Glioma info from the Mayo Clinic site

My sympathies are out to him. Even for this to be successfully treated is nasty. Chemo, radiation and all the rest. May it go easy for him. I dislike his positions, but I wish no ill for any human.

re: #41 wolfie

I've known a couple of people w/ brain tumors who suffered horrible headaches.
Is this likely to happen?

Um, it's already causing seizures.

Glioblastoma Multiforme:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

One thing you can say about Ted Kennedy, he's a fighter.

In looking up "glioma" at Glioma, there is ALREADY a reference to: Ed K.

Notable cases

* Fred Conlon
* Daniel W. Hardy
* Edward Kennedy
* Kim Walker

Here is a fair synopsis from the Society for Neuroscience -

For years, researchers puzzled over an aggressive form of brain cancer. The lethal glioma tumors often outsmart traditional cancer treatments such as surgery, and quickly invade healthy brain tissue. But now an understanding of the biological makeup and survival mechanisms of glioma tumors is helping researchers develop methods that they hope will kill the cancer.

Brain tumors always have been one of the most devastating diseases because they are so difficult to treat, much less cure. But now scientists are on track toward finding what may be definitive treatments for the most virulent of these tumors.
The growing mass of cells in a brain tumor bullies healthy cells by pushing them out of their way and squeezing them against the skull. This hinders the brain's ability to orchestrate life functions. Depending on the tumor's size and location, paralysis, behavior changes and dizziness, to name a few of the symptoms, can occur.
A glioma tumor is particularly damaging because it tends to quickly sprout and spread within the brain. Each year, approximately 20,000 Americans find out that they have a glioma. More than half die within 18 months.

[Link: www.sfn.org...]

Now how does this affect his Senatorship? Would he be required to step down and if so, who would replace him, or would a special election get called?

re: #67 itellu3times

That's not a good sign, is it? That's what they call "frank systems".

re: #39 Vergeltung

same here. none of us should wish ill on anyone...

Well, there are some people I wish ill to. Amadmanonjihad, for example, and the various heads of Hamas. And Osama, even if he's already dead.

But Kennedy should have had a long, comfortable retirement. I hope he still can.

And I hope we elect a Republican in his place, although given Moonbattachusetts, that seems less likely than a quick and full recovery.

re: #58 vxbush

I had a friend who had a brain tumor (not sure where; almost assuredly not where Senator Kennedy's is) and while they were able to get it out with surgery and she's in remission, she is definitely not the same person. Lots of physical disabilities now and a real problem with fatigue.

It's tough to watch in a friend. I just wonder what the doctors are suggesting for the senator. Prayers for him.

In cases such as Kennedy's, sometimes the "cure" ( and I use that term loosely) is worse than the disease. I hope that just because he is famous, his doctors do not over treat him. He deserves some dignity in his dying days.

Prayers for the family and the Senator

re: #53 jcm

Glioma.
Wiki is fast, Kennedy is already in the notable cases section.

In some cases, Wikis are nearly as fast as Lizards. Nobody's faster than this crew.

God bless, Senator. Best wishes to you and your family.

re: #35 joncelli

"May he fight to live on."

...and live to fight on.

What tragic news. I will pray for him.

I have been told that the type of tumor teddy has is very bad. They grow fast and the treatment depends upon the location of the tumor.

Read the Wiki... Ugh, that's awful. It sounds like one of those issues where the treatment is as bad as the problem.

Honestly if I had that, I'd be tempted to just set a date for a lonely walk in the woods with a shotgun, and spend the intervening time with loved ones.

re: #36 opnion

It may be too early, but has anyone heard his prognosis?

There will probably have to be further testing and analysis of the particular cell structure of the glioma before they can suggest a prognosis. If it's the most aggressive kind, he'll be lucky to live a year.

I may not approve of his politics or his personal behavior, but I pity him greatly for the road he now has ahead of him. Also the family.

Symptoms of gliomas depend on which part of the central nervous system is affected. A brain glioma can cause headaches, nausea and vomiting, seizures, and cranial nerve disorders as a result of increased intracranial pressure. A glioma of the optic nerve can cause visual loss. Spinal cord gliomas can cause pain, weakness, or numbness in the extremities. Gliomas do not metastasize by the bloodstream, but they can spread via the cerebrospinal fluid and cause "drop metastases" to the spinal cord. - Wikipedia

His prognosis is not very good. Thoughts and prayers to his family!

that's awful. best of luck/wishes to him and his family.

Wishing the Senator and his family the best at this difficult time.

May God give him the strength to fight this, but if that is not to be, please grant him freedom from physical pain and give him peace.

CNN has more now...

"Preliminary results from a biopsy of the brain identified the cause of the seizure as a malignant glioma in the left parietal lobe," according to a statement from the doctors treating the senator.

"The usual course of treatment includes combinations of various forms of radiation and chemotherapy," they said.
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"Decisions regarding the best course of treatment for Senator Kennedy will be determined after further testing and analysis," the doctors continued.

"Senator Kennedy will remain at Massachusetts General Hospital for the next couple of days according to routine protocol. He remains in good spirits and full of energy."

I have always wanted him to be out of our Government, but this is never the way I had wanted it to happen. I hope the best for him and his family at what must be a horribly difficult time.

re: #25 Shug

I need a new nickname.
Everybody thinks I'm a she

how about Brutus?

I always think of the Shug character in the Color Purple.

re: #42 galloping granny

Terrible diagnosis - lets hope he and his family can get through this with dignity and with all the medical help available.

Prayers for him and his family.

re: #87 the jinxmedic

May God give him the strength to fight this, but if that is not to be, please grant him freedom from physical pain and give him peace.

Amen!

re: #72 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Now how does this affect his Senatorship? Would he be required to step down and if so, who would replace him, or would a special election get called?

He is not required to step down. He might choose to, in which case the Governor of Massachusetts will appoint somebody to finish his term.

Im glad to see that only ONE post was deleted! Don't turn LGF into a SEWER! I can only imagine what KOS would look like if Bush had a brain tumor. For a man with so much family tragedy i hope only the best!

ach. This sucks. But there should be an enormous amount that can be done. I've had my brain operated on 3 times - the last time about 20 years and I'm sure there's been much progress since then.

God speed Senator, and may the Lord bless and keep you and your family.

Too bad for him and his family.

Lizards are nice folks. I just learned about this on a different board, and the comments were brutal. So I left. Much nicer tone here.

My prayers go out in particular to his wife and kids.

I've been down this road enough times and know how difficult it will be for them.

re: #82 Pawn of the Oppressor

He is a Catholic; that's a sin. I don't think he'd do that.

re: #89 song_and_dance_man

A lot of states have laws that give the Governor power to appoint in the case of Senator resignations.

not sure how it works here in MA...

looking now

Looks like I lost my liver bet.

Contrast this thread with the one at Huffpost about Tony Snow or VP Cheney.

As most of us lizards have acknowledged, we don't care for his politics. But may he find peace (and his family comfort) in the coming days.

I have a friend who survived brain cancer. It can be done.

You probably won't see any people celebrating a man being struck with a horrible disease on this site. Non-progressives aren't motivated by a desire to see human suffering like progressives are.

Any leftists reading this, might want to look realistically at yourself if you've got the nerve. If this were somebody from the right like Cheney or Ann Coulter, think how happy you'd be right now, fantasizing about their pain and agony.

That's one of the main differences between us.

I had hoped that relative silence from the media and others was a good sign and that all would be well. It appears I was sadly mistaken.

My best to Senator Kennedy and his family in this hard time. May God grant health, and if not health, peace.

Particularly sad in view of what happened to his brothers, as well as his nephew, and various others in his family who have more than their fair share of hard knocks.

re: #72 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Now how does this affect his Senatorship? Would he be required to step down and if so, who would replace him, or would a special election get called?

Varies by state. Some have incapacitation clauses others only death. Either case the governor selects a person to fill out the term to the next election for that seat. Mass. Gov. is a (D) so should Kennedy need to be replaced no ramifications for the Senate.

Wow, that is not good. A friend of mine recently passed away from brain cancer, which had spread from his neck. He only had a short period of remission. Also, being that June is a cancer survivor, and we still live with the specter of her cancer returning, I send my prayers to him and his family.

Hm, bad thing. Of course we do not agree with all of Sen. Kennedy's views, but this is the time for hopes and prayers.

I wouldn't wish this on anyone.
I have seen a couple of people die with this cancer.

re: #84 Conservative in Liberal Hands

His prognosis is not very good. Thoughts and prayers to his family!

Especially given his age.

Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Fight hard Teddy.

Prayers for his speedy recovery.

Doesnt sound good...

Treatment can involve chemotherapy, radiotherapy, and surgery, all of which are acknowledged as palliative measures, meaning that they do not provide a cure. Even with complete surgical resection of the tumor, combined with the best available treatment, the survival rate for GBM remains very low

God bless and save Sen. Kennedy in his time of need. Here's hoping his relatives and friends find strength.

re: #90 coquimbojoe

I have always wanted him to be out of our Government, but this is never the way I had wanted it to happen. I hope the best for him and his family at what must be a horribly difficult time.

I want him to back up his office and hand over the key to his office to a (R). Not this way, not for him, not for anyone.

re: #34 Nevergiveup

My best wishes go out to the Kennedy family. G-D knows they have had their share of tragedy. But I am a tad ticked already seeing liberal talking heads on TV already using this to plug their liberal agendas.

I agree. A man, their longtime ally, has a personal tragedy, and the first thing they think is "How can we use this?" No human feeling at all.

Dear Teddy,

Get thee to Duke University.

STRAIGHT AWAY!

If anyone can halt this foul abomination, they can.

With hopes for your recovery,
victor_yugo.

An absolutely terrible thing to happen to anyone. I echo all the words of sadness and sympathy posted here.

re: #88 loppyd

Did the Mass Legislature strip the governor of his power to appoint replacement Senators? I recall discussion of it when it looked like Mitt might get to name Liveshots replacement.

Eitherway were're screwed.

re: #109 jcm

Varies by state. Some have incapacitation clauses others only death. Either case the governor selects a person to fill out the term to the next election for that seat. Mass. Gov. is a (D) so should Kennedy need to be replaced no ramifications for the Senate.

Except that his replacement would be a freshman, and wouldn't have the seniority that Kennedy has.

Dang. He's not my favorite politician, but I would not wish brain cancer on him. My 23 year old brother died of an inoperable brain tumor, and his brief battle was agonizing for him and us. Senator Kennedy, I wish you good luck and a good fight against a devastating disease.

re: #97 Mazeman

Too bad for him and his family.

Lizards are nice folks. I just learned about this on a different board, and the comments were brutal. So I left. Much nicer tone here.

Class comes from the top down.

maybe gov could name himself,if you know...he is a donk

My mother died from brain cancer over 20 years ago. I hope that there is some treatment, or somewhere that can help him, whether it is a cure or simply pain relief.

Will be hoping for the best for the Senator and his family.

Prayers for him and his family. May he make his peace with his maker.

don't like his tax and spend like a drunken sailor politics..
don't agree with his all encompassing nanny state socialist view of what this country should be
he's been there(washington) since 1962...waaayyy too long.
got there riding his borthers coattails...
wish he could have been trounced at the ballot box long ago...
hope he has to resign and live out his life outside politics...
believe the country would be better off whih him retired...

hope and pray for his recovery..as a person, he has my best wishes.

re: #109 jcm

There are ramifications concerning ranking. The committee assignments and positions would be changed. Again, not much of a change except within Democratic party and the Senate.

re: #120 victor_yugo

Dear Teddy,

Get thee to Duke University. MD Anderson

STRAIGHT AWAY!

If anyone can halt this foul abomination, they can.

With hopes for your recovery,
victor_yugo.

/everything's better in Texas

re: #98 JammieWearingFool

Ted has been down this road with his son who lost a leg to cancer at a young age.

Poor bastard. That's all I got to say about that.

re: #119 lurking faith

their longtime ally, has a personal tragedy, and the first thing they think is "How can we use this?"

Remember Paul Wellstone's memorial service?

gotta hop.

Very sad...My prayers for the Kennedy's...Gods will be done...

He probably will step down. Symptoms are both mental and physical. Also Chemo and Radiation are devastating.

re: #123 Ward Cleaver

Except that his replacement would be a freshman, and wouldn't have the seniority that Kennedy has.

Dat true. Only Byrd is senior to Kennedy.

re: #120 victor_yugo
Boston has the Dana Farber Cancer Institute, really state of the art.

Years ago I watched pancreatic cancer take my mom. Her cancer spread quickly through her body. Granted, pancreatic cancer is different then a cancerous brain tumor, but i wouldn't want anyone to go through this. Best wishes to Ted and his family

A thought for the masses. Mitt Romney could run for the senate seat when it becomes vacant and win. Being appointed to a seat is not the same as being elected. How long is Teddies remaining term?

re: #120 victor_yugo

Dear Teddy,

Get thee to Duke University.

STRAIGHT AWAY!

If anyone can halt this foul abomination, they can.

With hopes for your recovery,
victor_yugo.

Yes, my mom went there.

Prayers for Senator Kennedy and his family.

(BTW, the contrast of the comments here on LGF and other political blogs of a different persuasion, given an event of similar magnitude and opposite ideological circumstance, is striking.)

re: #142 THorfin

A thought for the masses. Mitt Romney could run for the senate seat when it becomes vacant and win. Being appointed to a seat is not the same as being elected. How long is Teddies remaining term?

Four years.

re: #142 THorfin

A thought for the masses. Mitt Romney could run for the senate seat when it becomes vacant and win. Being appointed to a seat is not the same as being elected. How long is Teddies remaining term?

His seat is up in '12.

I'm very sorry to hear this news. I do wish the Senator the finest in treatment and the fullest possible recovery.
My sympathies to his family.
BTW, as someone who is also suffering from cancer (albeit a completely different type than Senator Kennedy's) I've done a TON of research on cancer in general and I have to say that regardless of what doctors who are not HIS doctors may say, cancer is different with everyone - even the same type of cancer in the same location. So any "guesses" or quotes from medical manuals are just that; whether, when and how well Senator Kennedy will recover are totally up to his doctors, himself and the Lord.
Good luck Senator Kennedy, and may the Lord be with you.

#29 dalejrfanfreak

Ya know, I hate to say it but if Kennedy was a Republican he'd probably have the left wing sites happy that he's got a tumor like they were happy that Tony Snow had cancer. I hope he gets better, even though I strongly disagree with his political policies.

What a stark difference between the left and the right. The comments here are uplifting and encouraging to a politician whose policies sicken most posters (with the exception of a few trolls); yet we're all praying for healing, comfort, and peace for Ted and his family.

When ill befalls a conservative, the left revel and party just like the Middle Easterners did at 9/11 and any other opportunity to celebrate death.

He has a primary tumor meaning that it started in the brain, not somewhere else.

re: #145 itellu3times

re: #146 jcm

Dang, ya' beat me by ten seconds.
;-)

A friend's grandmother just passed away on Sunday from a brain tumor. From what I was told, Steroids kept her comfortable, and although she was wheelchair bound because of it, she was up and around until her final weeks.

Here's to hoping that Ted can return to his work in the Senate. No matter how much we disagree with him on politics, it would be a sincere shame if he were not able to end his long career on his own terms.

re: #149 DistantThunder

He has a primary tumor meaning that it started in the brain, not somewhere else.

Stupid question: How can they tell without looking for tumors everywhere else?

Senator Kennedy,

Our best wishes go out to you and your family in this time.

Gus

re: #136 song_and_dance_man

Especially when the Mittster went on Howie Carr and told Howie he would get the nod.

re: #14 itellu3times

When I heard that he had 2 seizures, I had said that it may very well be a brain tumor...now I am waiting to hear what grade it is. That will give an idea as to how bad it is..a grade IV is the worst. Gliomas are in and of themselves about the worst kind of brain tumor.

re: #135 Tigger2005
Uh, you forgot the sarc tag there.

By definition there is no such thing as a good disese.
Cancer thogh is particularly loathsome.
Anybody who has dealt with cancer either personaly or family knows that.
The Senator has gotten awful news. I know that right now there has to be a great deal of fear. I do hope that he gets a good outcome.

re: #150 jcm

re: #146 jcm

Dang, ya' beat me by ten seconds.
;-)

more concise!

re: #152 vxbush

Stupid question: How can they tell without looking for tumors everywhere else?

They've figured out a way to identify what type of cancer cells are generated by the tumors, so that if the cell types "match", in a sense, they know that's the origin of the cancer.

I have had 2 people close to me in my life suffer and die from this. I would not wish this on anyone. What a terrible circumstance this is. I hope there is something they can do. Hope for the best everyone.

re: #152 vxbush

GBM's rarely metastasize.

Over the left ear - i wonder if it is related to cell phone use.

The last person to hold his senate seat was his brother, John F. Kennedy.

My father had a malignant brain tumor back in 1963. After they operated and removed it, they gave him 6 months to live.

He died in 1993.

I've no comment! :-D

re: #131 Shug

/everything's better in Texas

I agree, M.D. Anderson.

/get on down to houston!

Gotta run. Keep up the kind words. Dem or Rep he's an American, just like most of us, and he fights for what he believes will make America better, and those are the kinds of politicians America wants.

Gliomas are tendril-ish and seed into other areas. If it's operable, he could get symptom relief. Hearing that he might have chemo + radiation sounds like it might not be operable. In which case the chemo might be worse than present symptoms. Seizures caused by a tumor are not likely to be helped by anti-seizure meds.

Cancer be damned.

Lost a brother to cancer, and dad lost his bladder to it when I was in college - folks live where they do now because he didn't expect to survive.

All the best, to all the Kennedys.

re: #164 DesertSage

My father had a malignant brain tumor back in 1963. After they operated and removed it, they gave him 6 months to live.

He died in 1993.

Wow, a miracle case.

re: #152 vxbush

Not a stupid question at all, but I would suspect they've tested him extensively already.

re: #152 vxbush

Stupid question: How can they tell without looking for tumors everywhere else?

appearance on imaging.
biopsy to confirm

A Kennedy has been the US Senator from Mass. for the last 56 years. That is a long time. I am only 53 years old.

re: #105 NoSubmission

I have a friend who survived brain cancer. It can be done.

Yep. Me too. Funny story...

My g/f was released from the hospital in California with the side of her head shaved and a "crown" of staples down her head from above her ear to the base of her neck.

A friend took her for a cup of coffee at an outside cafe and as they were sipping their java, a young fella came up on his skateboard, sporting a mohawk, many tattoos and multiple piercings (lip, eyebrow, cheek) etc.

He takes one look at my g/f's staples and exclaims, "Whoa dude! Where'd ya get THAT!" LOL My g/f laughed and said, "St. Vincent."

Anyway... other than ringing in her ears and some equilibrium issues, she's doing very well. It depends on so many things. I'm sure Senator Kennedy will have the best of care. God bless him.

how sad. this is a very tough diagnosis, he will need prayers.

re: #163 DistantThunder

Over the left ear - i wonder if it is related to cell phone use.

The last person to hold his senate seat was his brother, John F. Kennedy.

No risk factors have ever been linked to GBM.

re: #168 Perry

Gliomas are tendril-ish and seed into other areas. If it's operable, he could get symptom relief. Hearing that he might have chemo + radiation sounds like it might not be operable. In which case the chemo might be worse than present symptoms. Seizures caused by a tumor are not likely to be helped by anti-seizure meds.

Cancer be damned.

Chemo is not as bad as it used to be, but then he's 76 years old.

re: #152 vxbush

Cell type.

re: #159 itellu3times

more concise!

Speed wins!

re: #174 Shug

appearance on imaging.
biopsy to confirm

Would the appearance be more dense, then? Sorry, just curious. I've looked at lots of CT scans of my son's brain, so I know a minuscule amount.

#25 Shug

I need a new nickname.
Everybody thinks I'm a she

How about Shag. That's a decidedly male endeavor.

re: #163 DistantThunder

Could very well be.

I do not think cell phones are a very good idea.

It's due to our advanced health care that we die from cancers and tend not to from flu and pneumonia, and other common things.

re: #172 Ward Cleaver

Wow, a miracle case.

Throughout the 30 years he lived after the tumor was removed he would often say, "what do the doctors know anyway? they're only human after all".

re: #142 THorfin

A thought for the masses. Mitt Romney could run for the senate seat when it becomes vacant and win. Being appointed to a seat is not the same as being elected. How long is Teddies remaining term?

In the cases I remember, the governor's appointment is only until the next regular election. So, were Kennedy to step down now, his appointed replacement might only be serving until the November election, depending on things like deadlines. The elected successor would then serve until the end of Kennedy's regular term. Also, the elected successor is sworn in immediately after the election, thus getting a leg up in terms of seniority.

re: #175 Nevergiveup

A Kennedy has been the US Senator from Mass. for the last 56 years. That is a long time. I am only 53 years old.

46 years.

re: #149 DistantThunder

He has a primary tumor meaning that it started in the brain, not somewhere else.

and that is a problem.

re: #154 Silhouette

Right. We've gotta to convince the left we are decent, thoughtful people before we can finally cut off all school lunch programs, deny seniors medicine, remove access to all medical care and finally, enslave them all.

Oh and I do hope Kennedy does recover. Although I do disagree with him on most of his political stands, he is a very smart and, although misguided imo, good man.

re: #131 Shug

/everything's better in Texas

Duke U experimental treatment stopped the brain tumor of someone near and dear to me, after his own doc told him to get his affairs in order and prepare for the end.

This might also be a good time to pitch Folding@Home. I run it, and I suggest it to people who want their (own) computers not to be wasting CPU cycles.

re: #170 Sharmuta

Are you testing for drunkenness?

I wish him a speedy recovery (ok, I'll say it) to be followed promptly by a long and happy retirement.

re: #178 ted

What is "GBM"?

re: #176 marjoriemoon

Yep. Me too. Funny story...

My g/f was released from the hospital in California with the side of her head shaved and a "crown" of staples down her head from above her ear to the base of her neck.

A friend took her for a cup of coffee at an outside cafe and as they were sipping their java, a young fella came up on his skateboard, sporting a mohawk, many tattoos and multiple piercings (lip, eyebrow, cheek) etc.

He takes one look at my g/f's staples and exclaims, "Whoa dude! Where'd ya get THAT!" LOL My g/f laughed and said, "St. Vincent."

Anyway... other than ringing in her ears and some equilibrium issues, she's doing very well. It depends on so many things. I'm sure Senator Kennedy will have the best of care. God bless him.

It can, but GBM's have at most an average of 14 months survival.

re: #175 Nevergiveup

Do you mean 46 years? He was first elected in1962.

re: #134 wahabicorridor

Remember Paul Wellstone's memorial service?

gotta hop.

The Wellstone Memorial Service was a disgrace that backfired.
There was whopping & hollering & partisan attacks. It cost them at the pollls.
I wish the Senator the best. If however it goes badly, I trust that his farewell will be dignified.

I lost my Dad zt'l to Ca. of the pancreas 25 years ago.

He fought a very brave battle against a foe that has not yet been vanquished, nor has the survival rate improved.

re: #74 Kosh's Shadow

Well, there are some people I wish ill to. Amadmanonjihad, for example, and the various heads of Hamas. And Osama, even if he's already dead.
But Kennedy should have had a long, comfortable retirement. I hope he still can.
And I hope we elect a Republican in his place, although given Moonbattachusetts, that seems less likely than a quick and full recovery.

well, you know what I mean. most sane people would wish ill on Hitler, Stalin, etc., to the list of the evil men of history. but that is the exception, not the rule.

additionally, here in sane LGF-land, notice no hate-filled bile thrown at the sick man. contrast that with what is seen on the LLL sites re ill conservatives, etc.

'nuff said.

Well, my own superstitions don't allow for gloating when an enemy falls ... I would have preferred that his constituents woke up and tossed his butt out of the Senate rather than see him go out this way.

Perhaps they will figure out a way to fight this.

I think it goes without saying that most of us here on LGF parted ways with Sen. Kennedy on his political views long ago. However, this is not something you'd wish on anyone, even a tough political opponent, and I hope the best for Sen. Kennedy and his family.

The two people I knew were little guys, (7 and 3)
neither lived over a year from diagnosis.
It was the saddest thing I have ever witnessed.

It has been years since...but it still makes me cry.

Afternoon all, Sad news for the Senator, and my family, as I am sure all of yours are also, are sending our prayers and thoughts his way.
I have lived on the Cape all my life, and since I was old enough to vote, I have always had issues with the Senators political views, but, Having met the man many times, and he is always a gentleman in person, I am deeply saddened by this horrific news. No one deserves this diagnosis, and I wish the senator the very best, from the bottom of my heart. Best wishes Senator, We are ALL pulling for you.

re: #188 Mazeman

46 years.

JFK was elected to the US Senate in 1952.

re: #175 Nevergiveup

A Kennedy has been the US Senator from Mass. for the last 56 years. That is a long time. I am only 53 years old.

I was 2 years old when he was elected to the Senate.

I have a distinct memory of JFK's assassination. I'm riding on my dad's shoulders in a very busy noisy place. Then suddenly every one, and everything, all the noise just stopped. I told my dad that memory later and he said we where walking through Chicago's O'Hare when the announcement was made. One of my earliest memory is tied to the Kennedy's.

re: #197 Endangered in MASS

Do you mean 46 years? He was first elected in1962.

JFK was elected in 1952

re: #163 DistantThunder

Over the left ear - i wonder if it is related to cell phone use.

The last person to hold his senate seat was his brother, John F. Kennedy.

Actually, the last person to hold it was an appointee, Benjamin A. Smith II, from 1961 until 1963. Ted didn't turn 30 until 1962, so he wasn't eligible to run for the Senate until then.

My hopes and prayers go out to Sen Kennedy and his family. May he always be able to look to his Baptism for his salvation by Grace.

I'm posting on a new women's liberal website Women on the Web

It's very liberal and I'm getting attacked for saying Obama is a marxist - they say it's hyperbole. heh.

re: #167 bosforus

Gotta run. Keep up the kind words. Dem or Rep he's an American, just like most of us, and he fights for what he believes will make America better, and those are the kinds of politicians America wants.

There is one comment I'd like to make about the Senator: I do not agree with his political views, but I am certain everyone here can attest that the man was dogged in pursuing what he believed in. Left or right, THAT'S what this country needs, not more flip-flopping wishy-washy types. Kennedy was a man you either agreed with or disagreed with, no two ways about it. You knew where he stood, and that means something, even if he stood on the wrong side sometimes. (Okay, most of the time. ;)

re: #194 Ojoe

What is "GBM"?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Well, at any rate Teddy has had a controversial life, and he hasn't been a wallflower. Not that I care for his leftist leanings (for the record, someone should compile a full summary of every issue that he's ever supported or opposed), but he's certainly had the persistence to have his day in the sun, over and over again.

This kind of tumor/seizure is almost impossible to recover from, especially if you're not young and fit.

Off-Topic:

--Did anyone see Bobby Kennedy Jr. on David Letterman the other night? He's an impressive individual who seems to be well-informed on a variety of subjects. I especially appreciated his take on alternative energy, and the necessity of doing away with our independence on foreign suppliers. Very well said.

Honestly, I don't know what the total Iraq cost is by now -- I remember seeing Cheney being interviewed several years ago and he was adamantly insisting that Iraq DID NOT cost the $130 billion figure that the interviewer was quoting, and now lately that figure is supposedly up in the trillions of dollars.

Geez, if we'd have economized on expenses regarding Halliburton, etc. and been able to pump one-third or one-half of that total into R&D of alternative energy (or releasing and utilizing the already-existing patents on such, etc.), we'd be a LOT better off today. Even adjusting for inflation, if the original Manhattan Project cost approximately five billion dollars back in the 1940's, then what -- in today's dollars -- could a trillion dollars do, towards clean and safe and renewable energy for the broad public?

If this energy-shortage (caused by deliberately high prices) crap keeps up, then one of our biggest white elephant problems will be getting rid of all of the millions and millions of old V8 gas-guzzlers around the country. Over $100 to fill up the gas tank? Nobody wants 'em any more! Crush them all, and have Toyota turn them into electric cars?

What Say You...
.

re: #179 Ward Cleaver

Yes, depending on the agent. And palliatives are much better too. But it's still true that chemo agents are in general formualted to kill rapidly replicating cells like cancers, GI tract lining, hair.

Senator Kennedy will probably get the similar treatment to that given Jerry Pournelle, you can follow his travails the past three months over at his blog, [Link: www.jerrrypournelle.com...]

He had some interesting symptoms while they were basically frying part of his brain, but seems to be recovering pretty well.

I wish the Senator best of luck recovering, but he's not as healthy as Jerry was going in, and his liver is probably not in as good shape as Jerry's, which is important to recovery.

That said, the radiation therapy might not be the path taken in the Senator's case.

Unfortunate and terrible diagnosis for Sen. Kennedy.

I wish him and his family the best under these difficult circumstances.

.

I am no fan of Senator Kennedy's politics but I sincerely hope he overcomes and beats this cancer. You will be in my prayers senator. God bless.

Sad enough for those who are close to him, I sympathize with the family. But what a destructive legacy for the country this man has left for my children.

re: #34 Nevergiveup

My best wishes go out to the Kennedy family. G-D knows they have had their share of tragedy. But I am a tad ticked already seeing liberal talking heads on TV already using this to plug their liberal agendas.

For the left, everything is politics and there is nothing outside of politics...to paraphrase Mussolini. The chief distinction between the left and the rest of us is not that they are natural slimeballs and we are natural angels. It is that they have developed within themselves a totalitarian mindset that does not admit the purely personal, the private, or the transcendent.
There is no "problem" or no subject they believe to be outside the purview of state control. And there is likewise nothing than ought not to be politicized.

My Dad bought it this way. 10 months.

I was able to spend a month with him during the last summer. Instead of contract bridge, we played tile rummy.

He had a chance to wrap things up and say goodbye, for which I've always been grateful.

I imagine the politics are done now, and I hope the senator and his family is given the same chance.

re: #122 Endangered in MASS

Did the Mass Legislature strip the governor of his power to appoint replacement Senators? I recall discussion of it when it looked like Mitt might get to name Liveshots replacement.

Eitherway were're screwed.

MA changed the law while Liveshot was running for president.

There would be a special election.

US Senate site

The 17th Amendment to the Constitution (1913) established direct election of senators, as well as a means of filling vacant Senate seats. If a vacancy occurs due to a senator's death, resignation, or expulsion, the 17th Amendment allows state legislatures to empower the governor to appoint a replacement to complete the term or to hold office until a special election can take place. There are a few exceptions to this rule. The states of Oregon, Wisconsin and Massachusetts do not allow the governor to appoint, but rather require special elections to fill a vacancy.

re: #207 Nevergiveup

Your are correct. I did not read your post carefully enough. My bad.

If the Governor of Massachusetts has to appoint someone to take the Senators seat, it will most assuredly be his nephew, Joe, who is Bobbys son.

re: #179 Ward Cleaver

Chemo is not as bad as it used to be, but then he's 76 years old.

76 is the new 40. My Dad was still riding a motorcycle at 76. And 79.

re: #80 chinesearithmetic

What tragic news. I will pray for him.

Please do. I knew somebody several years who was healed of brain tumors. She went in for an MRI a few days after being prayed for and the tumors were completely gone! It's truly amazing what God can do.

Sad news indeed...prayers are with him. I'm proud that us LGF folks haven't stooped to the level of some of our counterparts on the left, but let's not toot our own horns and be self-righteous.

re: #221 loppyd

I digress, we're screwed.

Lost my mother and father-in-law to a brain tumor. Wouldn't even wish it on my worst enemy. This is a time where one pray for one of this country's leaders in his family's time of need - agree w/ his politcs or not.

Attn. Trolls from Kos or HuffPo: This is how to act like a grown up. Please note for future reference.

Bleh,

Corrected link for Jerry Pournelle's journal

re: #196 ted Are you a doctor? More specifically, an oncologist or brain surgeon?
I'd humbly suggest that you read my #147 above.

re: #213 Tamron

Re energy, a trivial amount of government money could probably get the oil shale into production in a few years, not renewable but good for a couple of centuries, and it would nail oil prices well below $100/barrel for the next decade while we work on fancier stuff.

This is sad.

Very sad.

No matter what, cancer knows no politics. It is an equal oppurtunist.
I wish him, and his family well. This will be difficult.

re: #196 ted

It can, but GBM's have at most an average of 14 months survival.

Probably the #1 thing that Ted has going for him right now is that he gets top of the line medical care so they caught this very early.

Jeez, poor guy. What a horrible tragedy for him and his family. I can only hope that he'll be as comfortable and in as good spirits as possible. I dislike his politics, but I salute him as one American to another. If I was a drinking man, I'd raise a glass of Chivas to the old bastard. Godspeed, Ted.

re: #185 DistantThunder

It's due to our advanced health care that we die from cancers and tend not to from flu and pneumonia, and other common things.

People should think about this before they go fooling around with our country's health care system. The system isn't as broken as some would have you believe, and many of the aspects that do create disfunction are the result of government interference in the process.

I noted the other day on the Kennedy thread that I'd crossed paths with him several times on the Cape, and while we oviously have our disagreements, he's still a personable guy with a sense of humor. Politics oftens blinds us to the fact we're all human and have our faults.

Was with my mother that day and she still has fond memories of his brothers and had known both of them at various times back in the 60s. Ted reminds me quite a bit of one of my uncles, not necessarily politically, but they bear a resemblance and are the same age.

This is just another reminder of their mortality.

I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy. I've taken care of several patients with brain tumors or cancer and it isn't pretty. Praying for him and family.

Now we know what some of the trouble with speech he had, and the problems with balance.

I hope Ted Kennedy will be okay.

(It would have to be the left side.)

Every Grain of Sand...Godspeed,Edward Moore Kennedy

"There but for the grace of God go I." Only kind thoughts and prayers for Ted and his family at this time.

Perhaps others have mentioned it (I haven't read all comments yet), but though I disagree with Sen. Kennedy's politics, there is no denying he is a fantastic representative of the people of my state. It is easy to find people he has personally assisted over the years. In fact, it appears to be his mission in life.

I hope he pulls through, b/c the other guy - Just For Kerry as even Democrats know him around these parts - is useless.

re: #221 lopped

The wannabe K-Mart Kennedy hack salons must already be circling like vultures yet not appear to be too macabre.

re: #221 loppyd

Correct.

Were he to resign or die in office, state law requires a special election for the seat no sooner than 145 days and no later than 160 days after the vacancy occurs.

re: #223 CapeCoddah

If the Governor of Massachusetts has to appoint someone to take the Senators seat, it will most assuredly be his nephew, Joe, who is Bobbys son.

Cadillac Deval will have no say. There would be a special election.

re: #147 realwest

I have to agree completely with this statement...and RW, you know I am in the know on these subjects.

I pray senator Kennedy has 1/10 the strength you have shown...and he will do well no matter what the outcome

re: #200 Vergeltung

well, you know what I mean. most sane people would wish ill on Hitler, Stalin, etc., to the list of the evil men of history. but that is the exception, not the rule.

additionally, here in sane LGF-land, notice no hate-filled bile thrown at the sick man. contrast that with what is seen on the LLL sites re ill conservatives, etc.

'nuff said.

I know what you meant, yes. I sometimes question the humanity of the real evil people.
Teddy is human. Flawed, which is part of being human, but I wouldn't say he deserves this. But then, I'm not the being doing the judging, and worse things have happened to far more innocent people.

re: #231 realwest

Are you a doctor? More specifically, an oncologist or brain surgeon?
I'd humbly suggest that you read my #147 above.

I am a doctor.

"I gaze into the doorway of temptations angry flame,
and every time I pass that way I always hear my name.."

Senator Kennedy has my respect for bravely trying to unseat the horrid President Carter during the democrats' presidential primaries in 1980.

Ted Kennedy tried to intervene & end the Carter Administration and our nation's long nightmare vis-a-vis Iran but failed to capture the nomination from Carter.

Teddy Kennedy tried to enact what his older brothers Jack or Robert might have tried to enact, had they lived.

Lord have mercy on this man and heal him. Take all of the cancer away, every part, and give him a long and fruitful life.

There is something profoundly humbling about standing at the threshold of this life and what is beyond. Whatever the rightness or wrongness of our political beliefs, we are all fragile, stumbling creatures, with more folly than wisdom. May the good-hearted God of all mercy have compassion on all of us, including Ted Kennedy.

re: #246 Shug Thank you, my friend.

re: #213 Tamron

If this energy-shortage (caused by deliberately high prices) crap keeps up, then one of our biggest white elephant problems will be getting rid of all of the millions and millions of old V8 gas-guzzlers around the country. Over $100 to fill up the gas tank? Nobody wants 'em any more! Crush them all, and have Toyota turn them into electric cars?

What Say You...
.

The only thing 'deliberate' about gas prices is the tax that is levied on gas.

re: #176 marjoriemoon

Love your story.

I add my sympathies to him and his family and I commend the lizard army for being the adults I've always known you are .

Since we're talking about political repercussions of Kennedy's ailment, consider that he is one of Obama's biggest backers. This is going to have an effect on what goes on with the nomination and back room dealings all the way to the convention and beyond. As a serious power broker, Kennedy was pushing Obama's candidacy in a big way. Now, it will be interesting to see who picks up the slack.

At age 76, the stroke being a joke, but THE TUMOR - NO RUMOR, may G-d guide the hands of his physicians.

-S-

Also, my mom died of a GBM.

While I've disagreed with Ted on just about every political issue, and voted against him every chance I've had, I would not wish this on anyone. My Dad died of an inoperable brain tumor, watching it was, in a word, horrific.

Thoughts and prayers to him, and especially to his family.

Pushing all I know and think about him to the side, I hope he recovers, and I wish him the best. Honest.
Having said that.
Can you imagine the hatred that would come out from the left blogosphere if this were anyone with an (R) next to their name?
I honestly can not find an unkind word about Mr. Kennedy on any conservative blog. None.

"I am hangimg in the balance of the reality of Man,
like every sparrow falling,like every grain of sand.."

I can't help think and picture the get together with the inlaws, namely Arnold! The Arnold says "It's not a toomma"!

On a serious note, I hope the Senator all the best.

Regardless of whether we like their politics we should all wish the Kennedy family our sincerest prayers for recovery and peace.

They have given this country their best; the least we can do is wish them the same.

BTW, I'm proud of my fellow Lizards on this thread.

re: #248 ted Do you disagree with what I said in #147?

Is anyone besides me irritated by the Fox news coverage of this matter that keeps repeating Ted Kennedy's support for Obama? Almost seems like shilling for Obama to me.

Such terrible news.

re: #77 JammieWearingFool

Wiki can time travel. I have seen where they have rewritten history many many times.

Here's a link:

Senator Kennedy's diagnosis

re: #250 alegrias

"Teddy Kennedy tried to enact what his older brothers Jack or Robert might have tried to enact, had they lived"

Bobby maybe. Jack no way.JFK was more conservative than most of the current Republican Congressman and Senators.

Just think if we had the socialized medical system Teddy wants us all to have (not for him ,of course). He might have to wait 6 months for his chemotherapy and radiation.

re: #250 alegrias

Senator Kennedy has my respect for bravely trying to unseat the horrid President Carter during the democrats' presidential primaries in 1980.

Ted Kennedy tried to intervene & end the Carter Administration and our nation's long nightmare vis-a-vis Iran but failed to capture the nomination from Carter.

Teddy Kennedy tried to enact what his older brothers Jack or Robert might have tried to enact, had they lived.

I am not so sure I agree with your synopsis of Ted Kennedy's career. I think he moved far to the left of at least JFK's positions. As for trying to unseat Carter, I am not so sure if it was for personal or political reasons? And knowing how bad Carter was, why he would support Obama is beyond me.

re: #247 Kosh's Shadow

Teddy is human. Flawed, which is part of being human, but I wouldn't say he deserves this.

He deserves it no more than we; we deserve it no less than he. We are all equally flawed.

Separating politics from our common humanity, as we all teeter on the edge of unknown possibilities on our mortal trek: prayers for Teddy, and for those who love him...

I lost my Dad to brain cancer so I know what he will be going thru. Most on this thread are far more charitable about Teddy than I can manage. He has done some disgraceful things and I just cannot say anything nice so I won't say anything other than I hope his family can find peace.

re: #243 Endangered in MASS

The wannabe K-Mart Kennedy hack salons must already be circling like vultures yet not appear to be too macabre.

Short list of Dems:

Capuano
Tierney
Delahunt
Markey
Harshbarger
Tollman

Short list of Republicans

Bruce Tarr
Scott Brown
?
?
?

re: #221 loppyd

Did not know that, just assumed they all did the same thing.
That makes Teddy stepping down a little more problematic. Won't Swing the Senate, but will impact some committees.

re: #109 jcm

Varies by state. Some have incapacitation clauses others only death. Either case the governor selects a person to fill out the term to the next election for that seat. Mass. Gov. is a (D) so should Kennedy need to be replaced no ramifications for the Senate.

He is a super delegate, isn't he?

If he steps down from the Senate, does that effect his status as a super delegate?

Also does anybody know if a super delegate has to be physically present at the convention to cast his/her official vote?

He may be a horrible old liberal whom I thoroughly with, but I wish the old guy well. Nobody deserves this. My prayers go out to Ted and his family.

re: #263 goforbroke

I can't help think and picture the get together with the inlaws, namely Arnold! The Arnold says "It's not a toomma"!

I thought that was Kindergarten Cop, where he answered the oncologist's kid.

re: #270 Endangered in MASS

"Teddy Kennedy tried to enact what his older brothers Jack or Robert might have tried to enact, had they lived"

Bobby maybe. Jack no way.JFK was more conservative than most of the current Republican Congressman and Senators.

Moonbats get very upset when presented with such facts.