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Time to Break Out the Cluebat for the New York Times

Tue, May 20, 2008 at 4:43:02 pm PDT

Well, at the New York Times “blog” The Lede, Mike Nizza has now added a link to LGF in his post about the Koran-shooting incident, after first mistaking another blog for mine: Reactions: Defusing a Koran Shooting in Iraq - The Lede - Breaking News - New York Times Blog.

And even a gun-rights advocate (and blogger at Little Green Footballs) who railed against what he considered Muslim overreactions to previous incidents like the Koran shooting eventually wound up expressing his backing:

By the way, so no one takes this the wrong way, I’m not criticizing the senior commanders for apologizing; this is a reality that they have to deal with in Iraq. It would be counter-productive to do anything else, when a simple statement can defuse a lot of irrational popular anger, and only senior military officials will receive the necessary respect to cool things down.

It’s still an absurd situation, though.

Sheesh. I guess I have to spell it out.

Mike: that section you quoted above, starting with “by the way...” and ending with “absurd situation,” was not posted at that gun rights forum by me. Someone re-posted my LGF entry there, including the section you quoted. I have no affiliation with that forum, and that entry was posted without my knowledge or approval. I’d never even heard of the site, before seeing your piece at the Times.

As a matter of fact, it’s a bit rude of them to grab an entire LGF article and re-post it elsewhere, although they do include a pretty prominent LGF logo and link back to our site. You might have missed that, Mike. That’s all right, I understand, I miss obvious things sometimes too.

And although I’m a Second Amendment supporter, it’s quite a stretch to call me a “gun rights advocate” (I’m not) who “rails about overreaction to previous Koran-shooting incidents” (I don’t).

I hope this clarifies the situation, Mike; if you have a chance, would you please update the post to better reflect reality?

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1 buzzsawmonkey  5/20/08 4:44:07 pm reply quote

The Lede and the swan song.

2 karmic_inquisitor  5/20/08 4:44:39 pm reply quote

Clue bat?

I don't think a clue nuke would penetrate their hardened skulls.

3 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  5/20/08 4:46:16 pm
4 Dar ul Harb  5/20/08 4:46:33 pm reply quote

(I gotta nice piece o' heavy brass pipe you can use....)

5 me  5/20/08 4:47:41 pm reply quote

NYT: all the "news" that fits and obfuscates !

6 Slumbering Behemoth  5/20/08 4:48:19 pm reply quote
I hope this clarifies the situation, Mike; if you have a chance, would you please update the post to better reflect reality?

Asking the NYT to better reflect reality?

You might as well be asking Santa to bring about world peace for Christmas. Or a pony.

7 The Other Les  5/20/08 4:48:52 pm reply quote

Reality? What's that?

/New York Times

8 Racer X  5/20/08 4:50:05 pm reply quote

I think he is getting a raging clue.

9 DesertSage  5/20/08 4:50:44 pm reply quote
I hope this clarifies the situation, Mike; if you have a chance, would you please update the post to better reflect reality?

Charles, Lefty's reality comes from somewhere in outer space. Their reality is what they believe it should be, based on their emotional well being at any particular moment, and has nothing to do with truth or facts.

I wouldn't hold my breath on this one.

10 karmic_inquisitor  5/20/08 4:51:46 pm reply quote

OT : CNN has posted an interactive racism map.

(OK - it is an interactive map of the Kentucky results. But checkout the wins that Clinton has racked up in the rural counties. 90% + in some counties. So we know what to expect for the story line tomorrow)

11 BignJames  5/20/08 4:52:04 pm reply quote

I hope this clarifies the situation, Mike; if you have a chance, would you please update the post to better reflect reality?


Hey, why start now?

12 Pastorius  5/20/08 4:53:56 pm reply quote

Oh my God, he is so getting a clue. His clue is pointing to the left.

13 Charles  5/20/08 4:54:02 pm reply quote

The link to LGF that he added is from our RSS feed, by the way. I think the Times has some kind of private configurable RSS aggregator for their employees; I've noticed some other unusual-looking referrals that seem to be from employee accounts.

14 HelloDare  5/20/08 4:54:30 pm reply quote

Nice to know that the same high standards the NYT set for the print media is being applied to their blog.

15 offendi  5/20/08 4:54:46 pm reply quote

Perhaps he intends to consult Jayson Blair on journalistic ethics first?

16 Dotcoman  5/20/08 4:55:53 pm reply quote

What Charles Johnson is not a Gun Rights Advocate?!

Quick! Someone gets some Hoppe's gun oil and a Smith & Wesson STAT!

Oh?

17 haakondahl  5/20/08 4:55:59 pm reply quote
I hope this clarifies the situation, Mike; if you have a chance, would you please update the post to better reflect reality?

Perhaps he will. And then perhaps the MSM in their online frissons of ignorance will occasionally stop to check things with the people whom they purport to quote.

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

18 Charles  5/20/08 4:56:18 pm reply quote

Layers upon layers of highly paid fact-checkers!

19 ArmyWife  5/20/08 4:56:30 pm reply quote

I think if Charles' cluebat has an effect on the Slimes we should crown him King of the Lizards....

oh, wait....

20 pingjockey  5/20/08 4:56:38 pm reply quote

The NY Slimes, all the half truths, lies, and obfuscations that'll fit.

21 Pastorius  5/20/08 4:56:47 pm reply quote

This is totally giving me a clue right now.

22 haakondahl  5/20/08 4:57:43 pm reply quote

re: #18 Charles

Layers upon layers of highly paid fart-checkers!

Fixed that for ya.

23 ATC Guy  5/20/08 4:58:04 pm reply quote

Charles, you are, as always WAY too polite to some people in this world. Maybe that's why you run this site instead of lesser mortals

24 haakondahl  5/20/08 4:59:59 pm reply quote

re: #23 ATC Guy

Charles, you are, as always WAY too polite to some people in this world. Maybe that's why you run this site instead of lesser mortals

He has clearance, Clarence.

25 Russkilitlover  5/20/08 5:00:12 pm reply quote

re: #13 Charles

The link to LGF that he added is from our RSS feed, by the way. I think the Times has some kind of private configurable RSS aggregator for their employees; I've noticed some other unusual-looking referrals that seem to be from employee accounts.

Wow. I'd be concerned if I knew what the heck you were talking about.

26 HelloDare  5/20/08 5:00:19 pm reply quote

re: #18 Charles

May the fact checker was married to the reporter. No, that couldn't possibly happen.

27 JammieWearingFool  5/20/08 5:02:00 pm reply quote

Maybe I should point out to the guy I'm not an extremist, either.

I wonder if the idiot knows I pwned him by linking back to him?

28 Jonn Lilyea  5/20/08 5:02:30 pm reply quote

Jeez, you'd think a responsible journalist would be able to check the original source for an original quote...oh, sorry I forgot who I was talking about.

29 offendi  5/20/08 5:02:43 pm reply quote

Like I said in another thread, I predict Rupert Murdoch will get his hands on the Times in the next 4 years.

Expect to see page 1 Times items on "Amercian Idol 2012" and topless
" Times Page 3 Girls".

I mean, its only an entertainment rag for leftists now anyway.

30 LeePro  5/20/08 5:02:55 pm reply quote

Charles,
Looks to me that he copy/pasted your entire piece from Sunday, not just the part beginning "By the way..."

Today 3:34 PM
Reuters: Infidels Riddle Koran with Bullets

This would be good for a round of seething, except that senior military commanders have already sprung into action and apologized. Leaving aside the inherent absurdity of apologizing for harming a book, Reuters is doing their best to make sure the issue persists, with one of their characteristically even-handed, unbiased headlines: U.S. soldier riddles Koran with bullets in Iraq.

By Reuters reporter Khaled al-Ansary, who I’m certain is also completely unbiased on these sorts of stories.

  [Entire Reuters quote]

By the way...

31 mikeinmd  5/20/08 5:03:19 pm reply quote

re: #15 offendi

Perhaps he intends to consult Jayson Blair on journalistic ethics first?

I was thinking more along the lines of some in-house contest contest they're having.

The Blair Bitch Project.

32 Racer X  5/20/08 5:04:12 pm reply quote

re: #21 Pastorius

LOL!

"It was Huuuge"

I've watched that episode 20 times. It never gets old.

33 haakondahl  5/20/08 5:05:13 pm reply quote

re: #29 offendi

Like I said in another thread, I predict Rupert Murdoch will get his hands on the Times in the next 4 years.

Expect to see page 1 Times items on "Amercian Idol 2012" and topless
" Times Page 3 Girls".

I mean, its only an entertainment rag for leftists now anyway.

Well in that case those Topless Times Page 3 Girls would probably be boys anyway.

34 JammieWearingFool  5/20/08 5:05:49 pm reply quote

I said it on the earlier post today that it's pretty cheesy for people to copy whole blogposts/articles/columns and post them on their sites. Even if you're some obscure site, you should respect copyright laws.

If you want to post or note another blog post, link it, excerpt some, and comment.

Intellectually lazy at the very least.

35 maddogg  5/20/08 5:07:09 pm reply quote
And although I’m a Second Amendment supporter, it’s quite a stretch to call me a “gun rights advocate” (I’m not) who “rails about overreaction to previous Koran-shooting incidents” (I don’t).


I am very pleased to see you post that statement Mr. Johnson, as I have never seen you mention it before. Thanks.

36 JammieWearingFool  5/20/08 5:10:10 pm reply quote

re: #13 Charles

The link to LGF that he added is from our RSS feed, by the way. I think the Times has some kind of private configurable RSS aggregator for their employees; I've noticed some other unusual-looking referrals that seem to be from employee accounts.

Whenever I leave a comment at the Editor's Blog (which they rarely publish), I always see traffic from their admin account. Today is at least the third time they've linked me of late, usually with a backhanded cheapshot.

Glad to know little old me is getting under their skin.

37 Cap'n DOC  5/20/08 5:10:19 pm reply quote
Mike; if you have a chance, would you please update the post to better reflect reality?

Do I have to credit you Charles? Reflect reality from this dude? Which Lizard Kingdom are you living in? ;o)

38 jones  5/20/08 5:10:40 pm reply quote

re: #16 Dotcoman

What Charles Johnson is not a Gun Rights Advocate?!

Quick! Someone gets some Hoppe's gun oil and a Smith & Wesson STAT!

Oh?

So Charles, why not add that title to your Vita?

Get on the winning team!

Although I see you more as a Beretta man.

39 mean Gene  5/20/08 5:11:23 pm reply quote

Reminds me of the time I was sure that cotton grew on sheep.

40 Charles  5/20/08 5:11:57 pm reply quote

As I mentioned before, my friend Mr. Mossberg is the gun rights advocate around here.

41 haakondahl  5/20/08 5:12:36 pm reply quote

Gun thread in 3... 2...

42 buzzsawmonkey  5/20/08 5:12:57 pm reply quote

re: #40 Charles

As I mentioned before, my friend Mr. Mossberg is the gun rights advocate around here.

"Mr. Mossberg?" That sounds like a Jewish name...

43 haakondahl  5/20/08 5:13:03 pm reply quote

Mr. Mossberg don't do no fart-checking.

44 Occasional Reader  5/20/08 5:13:13 pm reply quote

I'll give up Charles Johnson's gun rights advocacy when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.

45 haakondahl  5/20/08 5:13:15 pm reply quote

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

"Mr. Mossberg?" That sounds like a Jewish name...

HAH!

46 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  5/20/08 5:13:32 pm
47 karmic_inquisitor  5/20/08 5:13:38 pm reply quote

While on the issue of "facts" ...

Looks like Obama has failed another American Geography test.

First it was 57 states. Now, as it turns out, the Willamette River is actually a sea.

Notice that such gaffes go unreported?

What if Bush had said it?

48 jones  5/20/08 5:13:53 pm reply quote

Cap, If the Times changed the article to reflect "reality" it would start:

"As the crisis in Iraq grows, Right-wing blogger Charles Johnson backed withdrawal...

49 The Other Les  5/20/08 5:14:35 pm reply quote

Comrade Kalashnikov and Monsieur FAL are in my closet.

50 maddogg  5/20/08 5:15:26 pm reply quote

Mr. Mossberg, a friend in need, is a friend indeed!

51 Occasional Reader  5/20/08 5:15:38 pm reply quote

re: #40 Charles

As I mentioned before, my friend Mr. Mossberg is the gun rights advocate around here.

Do tell! Sounds like we have a common friend?

52 The Other Les  5/20/08 5:15:56 pm reply quote

re: #47 karmic_inquisitor

While on the issue of "facts" ...

Looks like Obama has failed another American Geography test.

First it was 57 states. Now, as it turns out, the Willamette River is actually a sea.


On what planet?

53 dmh0667  5/20/08 5:16:02 pm reply quote

You know, when I first read the headline, I thought, "Now, why is a washed-up Magazine in the Lib tank going to go after a washed-up BS-Paper in the Lib tank?" Then I said, "Why would that be a bad thing?"

54 Occasional Reader  5/20/08 5:17:40 pm reply quote

re: #49 The Other Les

Comrade Kalashnikov and Monsieur FAL are in my closet.

Tell them to come out. We won't judge them.

55 Luigi  5/20/08 5:18:19 pm reply quote

Hillary's speaking in her 2-1 win. The boxing glove black guy is way off to the side. She has a weird Chris Matthew's doppleganger (possibly from Central Casting) right behind her.

56 jones  5/20/08 5:18:36 pm reply quote

re: #54 Occasional Reader

It's true. I respect their personal choices.

57 karmic_inquisitor  5/20/08 5:19:43 pm reply quote

re: #52 The Other Les

On what planet?

The O Planet.

Not to worry - just did a google news search. "Willamette Sea" in quotes gets nothing returned. Without quotes you get a gazillion articles about a "sea" of supporters by the Willamette River.

All is good. The S.S. Media Bias is a tight run ship.

58 experiencedtraveller  5/20/08 5:19:52 pm reply quote

I used to love the New York Times. In high school I would sneak out of study hall on some pretext and go to the library and read it everyday. I eventually learned my teacher and librarian had a deal all along. Later I would pay a dollar a day to pick up a copy for lunch. I had access to a subscription on and off.

As the years passed it became impossible to ignore the Times over-reactive editorial slant. I always wonder: what are they afraid of? Why surrender the valuable high ground of the unbiased?

Are they truly afraid of the reactionary right wing, a right wing that Fallaci aptly describes as having died with Napoleon? Are they afraid of tyranny somehow emerging from a US President? Have they no confidence in the congress, the judiciary or most importantly, the American citizen?

I conclude nowadays that their editorial department is not thinking profoundly at all. They are wed to a political ideology and with the party that espouses that ideology they will thrive or muddle along. It could be good for their business. It is a business. I really don't know why but surely they have surrendered a valuable position as informed arbiter for a position of partisan support.

It seems a poor decision.

I still enjoy the travel section, tho. ;)

59 Charles  5/20/08 5:20:13 pm reply quote

re: #51 Occasional Reader

Do tell! Sounds like we have a common friend?

Indeed. Mr. M is a very convincing advocate.

60 maddogg  5/20/08 5:20:19 pm reply quote

Hillary giving victory speech ,after whupping Obama's ass right in Kentucky.

61 Occasional Reader  5/20/08 5:21:07 pm reply quote

re: #56 jones

It's true. I respect their personal choices.

I always suspected Comrade Kalashnikov's magazine sort of swung the other way. NTTAWWT.

62 nyc redneck  5/20/08 5:21:58 pm reply quote

re: #40 Charles

As I mentioned before, my friend Mr. Mossberg is the gun rights advocate around here.

well, tell him that i just went to see the pistol clerk at the court house today to get my application for my permit.

63 Occasional Reader  5/20/08 5:22:14 pm reply quote

re: #59 Charles

Indeed. Mr. M is a very convincing advocate.

Ghost ring or bead sight?

Heat shield or no?

(I'm "ghost ring" on the first, "no" on the second)

64 hazzyday  5/20/08 5:22:40 pm reply quote

Too Funny. A reporter that is Internet unedukated. A Dan Rather jr. in the making

65 Occasional Reader  5/20/08 5:25:38 pm reply quote

Charles, by the way, if you haven't already added a tactical light and want to do so (which I recommend... good to see what you're shooting at if it comes down to it), here's a reasonably-priced alternative (scroll down to "weapons light system 2000"). Not as cool as a Surefire or Streamlight, but a) a lot less cash and b) you don't have to saw off that annoying bayonet lug to install it.

67 Cap'n DOC  5/20/08 5:28:17 pm reply quote

re: #40 Charles

And a finer friend you'll never find, sir. I carried a Winchester pump instead of my issued 45, and I never felt better. I had to buy the pump from a Shorttimer... Best money I ever spent.

68 Render  5/20/08 5:28:33 pm reply quote

The very elderly Mrs. Enfield (1917), Mr. Colt (1911), and Mr. Winchester (1897) handle all the very worst case conflict resolution around here.

Fortunately there has never been a worst case conflict around here that's needed that kind of resolving.

SIX BY
SIX BY
SIX,
R

69 Render  5/20/08 5:30:45 pm reply quote

re: #66 Nekama

Nekama!

Wassup ol school Lizard?

ALL
PRAISE
DUE,
R

70 Occasional Reader  5/20/08 5:31:15 pm reply quote

re: #66 Nekama

71 wrenchwench  5/20/08 5:31:27 pm reply quote
About The Lede

In the news business, the opening sentences of a story are referred to as its "lede" -- spelled that way, journalism lore has it, to avoid confusion with the lead typesetting that once dominated newspaper printing presses. Every sentence in a news story, though, has the potential to spiral off in new directions, and that's where The Lede's mission begins.


Nizza's just "spiral[ing] off in new directions." No need for accuracy there.

72 Cartman  5/20/08 5:32:58 pm reply quote

The Mossberg is a fine, fine firearm. I have a Benelli...but would sure like a Mossy! ;)

73 Occasional Reader  5/20/08 5:37:00 pm reply quote

re: #72 Cartman

The Mossberg is a fine, fine firearm. I have a Benelli...but would sure like a Mossy! ;)

Mossberg isn't fancy, but it's rugged and gets the job done. Benelli I think tends to be pricier; they make excellent guns. Both were accepted by the USMC... pretty good endorsement!

74 Nekama  5/20/08 5:40:35 pm reply quote

re: #69 Render

Doing great, my brothers and sisters.

Though if anyone had told me six months ago that Barack Carter Obama would be the likely Democratic nominee I would have said they dropped their crack pipe.

75 Charles  5/20/08 5:52:08 pm reply quote

re: #65 Occasional Reader

Charles, by the way, if you haven't already added a tactical light and want to do so (which I recommend... good to see what you're shooting at if it comes down to it), here's a reasonably-priced alternative (scroll down to "weapons light system 2000"). Not as cool as a Surefire or Streamlight, but a) a lot less cash and b) you don't have to saw off that annoying bayonet lug to install it.

Interesting link. I hadn't thought about a light, but it makes a lot of sense.

76 Charles  5/20/08 5:53:47 pm reply quote

That same Diggbot is back at it again:

[Link: digg.com...]

No front page linky for you this time, diggbot.

77 Shaky Louie  5/20/08 5:59:24 pm reply quote

re: #9 DesertSage

Their reality is what they believe it should be, based on their emotional well being at any particular moment, and has nothing to do with truth or facts.


That sounds like the description of a mental disorder!

Oh,wait...

78 Slumbering Behemoth  5/20/08 6:08:40 pm reply quote

Bullcutter; that's what I call irony in advertising.

79 freedombilly  5/20/08 6:13:18 pm reply quote

All the news that fits an agenda.

80 uncleFuzzy  5/20/08 6:25:18 pm reply quote

re: #20 pingjockey

Clue goo! LOL.

I don't watch the show that often but clips like these make me want to record them for after the kids go to bed.

Thanks for making me laugh out loud tonight.

81 sparrowlake  5/20/08 6:26:07 pm reply quote
"a simple statement can defuse a lot of irrational popular anger"

Why did he have to kiss it?

82 Occasional Reader  5/20/08 6:31:51 pm reply quote

re: #75 Charles

Interesting link. I hadn't thought about a light, but it makes a lot of sense.

Credit where it's due; I was directed to that site by reaganite.

(I know you guys are on the outs; but the man knows his firearms.)

Anyway.

I used to think a tactical light was a little over the top; but the more I've thought about it... given that most Bad Stuff happens after dark, and you really don't want to make a mistake and shoot your drunk neighbor who thought he was entering HIS house... it does make sense to have one.

83 gkong3  5/20/08 6:35:48 pm reply quote

To go off on a few tangents;

1. Mr gun-rights-advocate who pretty much lifted the LGF piece did, at least, put a linky back to teh front page, teh actual piece, as well as a banner with linky goodness also. Heck, if I got that much accreditation for anything I wrote, I'd ask whoever it was to lift more stuff from me. (c.f. Iowahawk's little tiff some time back, ya know) But obviously ymmv, and it was, as King Lizardoid said, a wee bit rude.

2. Oleg Volk. That guys can convince anyone guns is a good thing (not that I need convincing, but his posters are really good...) Yeah, I know, guns in themselves are neutral, but they do act as equalisers. That's gotta be a good thing right there.

3. Gun rights? I didn't know guns had rights! :) OK, aside from acting an ass, chalk it up to envy over my not being able to get guns here in Malaysia. well, not without jumping through a year's worth of red tape and then some.

84 itellu3times  5/20/08 6:41:09 pm reply quote

re: #1 buzzsawmonkey

More classics hey?

85 itellu3times  5/20/08 6:41:39 pm reply quote

So just what is a gun rights advocate, someone who says guns vote?

86 buzzsawmonkey  5/20/08 6:46:20 pm reply quote

re: #84 itellu3times

More classics hey?

I'm so glad somebody picked up on that.

87 Dr. Shalit  5/20/08 6:55:27 pm reply quote

re: #2 karmic_inquisitor

Clue bat?

I don't think a clue nuke would penetrate their hardened skulls.

"k-i" -

By George - "I THINK YOU'VE GOT IT!"

-S-

88 Occasional Reader  5/20/08 6:56:03 pm reply quote

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

I'm so glad somebody picked up on that.

I picked up on it, I just refused to respond to your Zeusophobia.

89 Ben F  5/20/08 7:25:35 pm reply quote

Actually, it's not just our military commanders. President Bush personally apologized to the Iraqi Prime Minister on Monday over this incident.

For what it's worth, I believe that the sniper who used a Qur'an for target practice should be court-martialed because he undermined our mission. If I purchase a Qur'an and shoot it up, that's free speech. A soldier does not have the same freedom of action while on active duty.

90 lonewulf1  5/20/08 8:10:17 pm reply quote

That's pretty rich - asking the mainstream media to update their work to better reflect reality. Not truly reflect reality, just *better* reflect reality. Good luck with that.

91 Catttt  5/20/08 8:15:36 pm reply quote

You have to give the guy credit for amending his piece, even though he still doesn't quite get how blogs and links work. Something tells me he hasn't done a lot of Web sufring either.

We amateurs obviously know more about why the 'net is called a 'net with one lobe tied behind our backs than the pro newspaper folks do. They think it's easy to step right up and suss this amateur blog thing out, and then they find out it isn't so simple.

Mr. Nizza - here is a hint on how it works.

92 pat  5/20/08 9:38:35 pm reply quote

To the NYT', the Second Amendment is actually a legalism for confiscating firearms. The new reality of the left in America.

93 BartB  5/20/08 9:58:28 pm reply quote

Back in the '60s, a nutso airman in Turkey defaced a bust of Ataturk.
In some parts of Turkey, Ataturk is second the the Prophet (96%
Muslim) and in others, the Prophet is second to Ataturk.

The military got that dodo out of the country before anyone knew what
happened, then court-martialed him elsewhere. A major problem was
avoided.

Some people just don't know how to play nice with their neighbors.

94 markie  5/20/08 11:23:36 pm reply quote

re: #81 sparrowlake

Why did he have to kiss it?

Maybe it just looked like he kissed it.

95 markie  5/20/08 11:26:50 pm reply quote

re: #49 The Other Les

Comrade Kalashnikov and Monsieur FAL are in my closet.

I prefer a nice blended Canadian (Garand was from Canada).

96 leereyno  5/21/08 1:03:06 am reply quote

What exactly is the difference between a 2nd amendment supporter and a gun rights advocate?

Isn't that kind of like trying to draw a distinction between a 1st amendment supporter and a free-speech advocate?

"He's not a supporter of the right of all citizens to vote. He's just an advocate for universal suffrage."

"She's not in favor of the separation of church and state, she simply believes that government should be a secular institution."

I do believe that all of the above are examples of distinctions without differences.

As for me, I'm a heavily armed libertarian who supports the right of human beings everywhere to the political power that comes from the barrel of a gun.

Without the power to overthrow the government through force of arms, our rights become little more than an indulgence on the part of the state. The biggest threat to freedom is not the enemy who comes from afar, but the ever-present enemies (of all political persuasions) who lie in wait for an opportunity to strike from within. This is why the protection of freedom requires eternal vigilance.

The willingness to die to protect your rights is all fine and good, but the real question is, are you willing to kill for them? Are you willing to visit the ultimate violence upon your fellow man for the sake of your freedom? More importantly, could you do it RIGHT NOW if the circumstances required it?

SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLVM

97 Aylios  5/21/08 2:01:16 am reply quote

I guess I'm a slow learner.

Even though I know by now just how incompetent so-called 'professional' journalists are, their incompetance still never ceases to amaze me. When they get into blogging, it gets even more dire.

98 Aylios  5/21/08 2:25:52 am reply quote

re: #25 Russkilitlover

Wow. I'd be concerned if I knew what the heck you were talking about.

lmao Russki, that was exactly my reaction, though you put the words to it!

99 Aylios  5/21/08 2:29:02 am reply quote

re: #46 song_and_dance_man

It takes kosher ammo.

'kosher ammo', I like that one.

100 Kalak  5/21/08 7:30:36 am reply quote

What's wrong with being a gun rights advocate?

We need the Second Amendment unweighted by onerous "control" restrictions. It's the one break-glass-in-case-of-tyranny backup that can be used if they decide to ignore all the rest of the amendments, to get them back. That's why the founding fathers wrote it.

It is also the one that truly lets us be responsible for our own personal safety and that of our family in the most desperate of circumstances, that being a violent attack. Because when seconds count, the police can be there in minutes. The founding fathers also knew this, it's why most of them carried pocket pistols in case they were attacked by brigands, a threat made even more serious now by the rise of remorseless gangs and desperate drug addicts. Jefferson's pistols are on display.

It's important to support that.

101 Charles  5/21/08 8:37:58 am reply quote

An advocate is someone who publicly promotes and argues in favor of something.

You can be a second amendment supporter without being an "advocate."

102 Dadmin  5/21/08 10:07:58 am reply quote
You can be a second amendment supporter without being an "advocate."

So, you wouldn't "argue in favor" of keeping your firearms when the authorities come to your door to collect them? What would it take to make you an "advocate"?

103 edr  5/21/08 12:41:47 pm reply quote

Hmmmm.

Still no update on the original article.

Isn't there supposed to be some sort of advantage to established media reporters? Like ... editors?

104 Charles  5/21/08 2:46:40 pm reply quote

re: #102 Dadmin

So, you wouldn't "argue in favor" of keeping your firearms when the authorities come to your door to collect them? What would it take to make you an "advocate"?

I'm simply trying to point out that describing me as a "gun rights advocate" is not correct. It's just not one of my main issues.

The only post I can recall making on the subject:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]


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