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Clinton Crushes Obama in Kentucky

Tue, May 20, 2008 at 5:16:35 pm PDT

Fox News is reporting the results: 64% Clinton to 32% Obama. She’s speaking now, and here’s a thread for this crazy exciting occasion...

UPDATE at 5/20/08 5:31:14 pm:

Her margin is increasing as more results come in: now 65% Clinton to 31% Obama.

UPDATE at 5/20/08 5:58:19 pm:

Now at 66% Clinton, 30% Obama.

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1 stuiec  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:18:08pm

Two-to-one in Kentucky isn't nearly as good as even a one-point win in Oregon would have been: a victory in the liberal heart of Obamaland might have made a difference, even at this late date....

2 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:18:12pm
3 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:18:20pm

Denver!
Denver!
Denver!
Denver!
Denver!
Denver!
Denver!

4 mikeinmd  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:18:24pm

To Denver. CHANRGE

5 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:18:29pm
6 The Other Les  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:18:29pm

The hills are alive with the sound of Cackling!

7 mitthrawnurdo  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:18:42pm

Obviously, all those typical white people were just being racist again.

8 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:19:01pm

She's not crushing ON Obama, is she?

9 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:19:06pm

Recreate 68!

10 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:19:29pm

re: #8 Occasional Reader

She's not crushing ON Obama, is she?

Brain Bleach! Brain Bleach! Brain Bleach! Brain Bleach!

11 Luigi  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:19:54pm

Check out the Chris Matthews look-alike behind her.

12 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:19:57pm

Gaaaaaaaaah! The beast is blabbing!

13 calcajun  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:20:07pm

As long as he does not hit the magic # of 2025, she has a glimmer of hope. Boy, this is not going to end anytime soon. Pass the popcorn.

14 RedsoxNation  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:20:14pm

Wow...this may be yet another sign that he will not be as strong as you would think in the fall. No presumptive nominee has ever suffered these types of losses this late in a primary election that he is assured of winning...There is some hope for McCain and Republicans this fall...

15 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:20:25pm

re: #11 Luigi

Check out the Chris Matthews look-alike behind her.

Has he got a tingle running up his leg?

16 lawhawk  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:20:38pm

Clinton keeps racking up these significant margins in the insignificant states (at least according to Obama's metrics). You know, flyover country - even those parts of flyover country that are so far away from his home state of Illinois so as to be bordered by them (Kentucky).

Of course, the real thing is that as someone else pointed out - this isn't so much an election, but a measure of demographics, and if you go by the demographics (which Hillary has), Obama is not going to do well at all come November.

17 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:20:38pm

Racists!

18 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:21:11pm

re: #13 calcajun

As long as he does not hit the magic # of 2025, she has a glimmer of hope. Boy, this is not going to end anytime soon. Pass the popcorn.

Here ya' go, popped in coconut oil, with real butter and salt.

19 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:21:13pm

re: #17 karmic_inquisitor

sexists!

20 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:21:14pm
21 haakondahl  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:21:27pm

Did she use a D-9 to do it?

22 calcajun  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:21:35pm

re: #15 jcm

That's just incontinence.

You know, the only reason Hillary is so fired up is because someone dropped a house on her sister.

23 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:21:41pm

ahhh-gee.

24 Charles  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:21:41pm

Look at that bitter audience.

25 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:21:42pm

re: #1 stuiec

Two-to-one in Kentucky isn't nearly as good as even a one-point win in Oregon would have been: a victory in the liberal heart of Obamaland might have made a difference, even at this late date....

Oregon won't be reported till 11 pm or so. At least one poll has them 4 points apart.

26 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:21:48pm

www.HillaryClinton.com

Just trying to do my part for the cause of chaos.

27 yitzy  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:21:58pm

Go Hillary! (Ow...that hurt MUCH more than I thought it would.)

28 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:22:00pm

re: #20 song_and_dance_man

Man, is she annoying.

Is she tearing up yet?

29 BignJames  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:22:16pm

re: #13 calcajun

As long as he does not hit the magic # of 2025, she has a glimmer of hope. Boy, this is not going to end anytime soon. Pass the popcorn.

They still have to determine what to do about Fla. and Mich.,too.

30 maddogg  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:22:22pm

As much as I hate Hillary, she would be much less damaging to the country than Obama, and a lot of people are starting to realize that.

31 ModerateWolverine  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:22:30pm

The democrats are going to nominate the person that's not the best candidate they have to offer. Fools.

32 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:22:57pm
33 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:23:13pm
34 livefreeor die  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:23:16pm

re: #6 The Other Les

The hills are alive with the sound of Cackling!

Wait-the Hildebeast declared today that comments about her cackling were sexist.

35 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:23:20pm

re: #29 BignJames

They still have to determine what to do about Fla. and Mich.,too.

If Obama keeps inserting foot in mouth, then shooting it. Super delegates are gonna' start flipping.

36 Charles  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:23:25pm

I never thought I'd say it, but I've actually gained some respect for her in this campaign.

Not a lot. But some.

37 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:23:37pm

re: #16 lawhawk

Clinton keeps racking up these significant margins in the insignificant states (at least according to Obama's metrics). You know, flyover country - even those parts of flyover country that are so far away from his home state of Illinois so as to be bordered by them (Kentucky).

Of course, the real thing is that as someone else pointed out - this isn't so much an election, but a measure of demographics, and if you go by the demographics (which Hillary has), Obama is not going to do well at all come November.

And I suspect that had a good many of Obama's gaffes and baggage come to light earlier, he might very well have been kicked to the curb long since.

38 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:23:46pm

re: #33 song_and_dance_man

My BS meter has pegged out.

39 calcajun  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:24:01pm

re: #28 jcm

She can't tear up. She can't get near water, or else...

40 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:24:03pm

re: #33 song_and_dance_man

Not yet, but my Cackle-o-meter is pegging 11.

Eject! Eject! Eject! It's gonna' blow!

41 mitthrawnurdo  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:24:08pm

re: #30 maddogg

It's the difference between a hand grenade (Hillary) and a MOAB (Obama) going off. Yeah, there are differences in magnitude, but you (the US) ends up mangled all the same.

42 maddogg  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:24:29pm

She is tough, I'll give her that. And she does not hate her country, unlike you know who.....

43 livefreeor die  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:24:34pm

re: #33 song_and_dance_man

Not yet, but my Cackle-o-meter is pegging 11.

Not to mention the Cankle meter.

44 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:24:36pm

re: #28 jcm

Is she tearing up yet?

No, she actually is doing a darned good job. Not an um or an aw in the bunch. And doing it with a smile. Actually, this is one of the very few times that Hillary has ever impressed me.

45 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:24:44pm
46 jaunte  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:24:57pm

The unbiased news:

Exit polling conducted in both states suggest that Democratic voters were primarily motivated by a desire for change. Nearly half of all voters in Kentucky and Oregon cited a candidate's ability to bring about change as their top priority in choosing between the two.


[Link: blog.washingtonpost.com...]

HINT. HINT!

47 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:25:05pm

At this point I don't want her to win.

I want Obama to run.

He is an arrogant prick and the more he speaks about specific issues the more he screw up.

The doubters will surface. Obama is McGovern.

Meanwhile, Howard Dean will run an ugly campaign of personal attacks on a bonafide war hero. It will backfire.

I am just glad that the slaying of the Hildebeast is a protracted, gory, violent affair.

48 The Other Les  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:25:32pm

re: #34 livefreeor die

Wait-the Hildebeast declared today that comments about her cackling were sexist.

So?

49 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:25:35pm

re: #44 galloping granny
Maybe she got her hormones balanced before she came on stage?!

50 livefreeor die  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:25:36pm

re: #45 song_and_dance_man

Riiiight. Cackle has been fighting for them all her life. What a frothing crock of steaming crap.

Bingo! She wouldn't be anywhere near the common person unless there was something in it for her.

51 Charles  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:25:49pm

All any opponent of Obama has to do at this point is not act like a snapping poodle.

52 ModerateWolverine  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:26:20pm

re: #51 Charles

The snapping poodle reference kills me. Visualize it, it's perfect!

53 calcajun  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:26:21pm

re: #18 jcm

Yum. A nummy treat.

Normally, I take no joy from the discomfiture of my enemies, but this is just too good.

54 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:26:22pm

re: #19 pingjockey

sexists!

Now now. You must wait for the Oregon returns to level that charge.

55 livefreeor die  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:26:25pm

re: #51 Charles

All any opponent of Obama has to do at this point is not act like a snapping poodle.

Oh well, sorry Hillary.

56 maddogg  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:26:31pm

McCain has Obama backed into a corner, he's having to rephrase most of his stances 2 or 3 times so far.

57 dmh0667  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:26:36pm

I'm all up on that steamin' redhead on Hillary's left (or our right), yo...

58 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:26:44pm
59 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:26:46pm

re: #46 jaunte

32% of KY Dem voters will vote for McCain

60 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:26:47pm
61 yitzy  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:26:48pm

"Y'know Howard Dean has some pretty good ideas. Why don't the Democrats kick the tires on him one more time?"

(APPROXIMATE quote)

(Ow. That hurt too!)

62 mitthrawnurdo  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:27:06pm

re: #45 song_and_dance_man

The only thing that the Hillabeast has been "fighting for" is the opportunity to remake the country in her unholy image.

/thus, screwing us all over in the process.

63 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:27:12pm

re: #49 pingjockey

Maybe she got her hormones balanced before she came on stage?!

I suspect that Hillary is one of those people (often women) that is damned good in a crunch.

64 nyc redneck  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:27:16pm

why can't the messiah close the deal?

65 ModerateWolverine  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:27:38pm

VDH just wrote a pretty good piece on how this campaign is going to look.

66 maddogg  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:27:45pm

My German Shepherd killed a snapping poodle, unfortunately, it was my Mothers....

67 livefreeor die  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:27:54pm

re: #64 nyc redneck

why can't the messiah close the deal?

Only one Anti-Christ can move to the finals.

68 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:27:59pm

re: #54 karmic_inquisitor
I can't wait for the donk convention. All these oh so tolerant people hurling epithets, chairs, bottles, etc.... at each other. Mwhahaha!

69 jaunte  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:28:12pm

re: #59 unrealizedviewpoint

I hope you're right.

70 mitthrawnurdo  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:28:18pm

re: #64 nyc redneck

Typical white people.

/racist, all of them!

71 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:28:29pm
72 Zach_the_Lizard  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:29:15pm

Let us now hope and pray Obama does not get to the magical number that lets him clench the nomination.

Let us also pray for popcorn to rain down from the heavens should this continue to Denver.

73 BignJames  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:29:22pm

re: #61 yitzy

"Y'know Howard Dean has some pretty good ideas. Why don't the Democrats kick the tires on him one more time?"

(APPROXIMATE quote)

(Ow. That hurt too!)


All your bike trails are belong to us.

74 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:29:23pm

re: #58 song_and_dance_man

As I said on an earlier thread...

I'd never thought I'd say it, but she is almost acceptable, and it's B-HO who has done that.

She's still an Alinskyite. I think her head is on a heck of a lot straighter than B. Hussein's.

Yesterday Iran was a minor threat, today it's a grave threat.
BHO SUWYF!

75 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:29:32pm

re: #63 galloping granny
Ya think? I don't know. Heard some terrible stories from guys who had been in the WH on duty. Not a nice person.

76 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:29:34pm

re: #64 nyc redneck

why can't the messiah close the deal?

Because of white racists! We need the UN NOW!

77 Charles  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:29:34pm

She's picking ... Beyonce!

78 livefreeor die  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:29:38pm

re: #71 song_and_dance_man

So Cackle is going to pick a woman as Veep? Did I hear that right?

But I thought John Edwards endorsed Obama.

79 sngnsgt  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:29:41pm

My remote is going to stay within reach at all times this election. When I hear Hilly's screeching voice, it makes me yearn to hear fingernails on a chalkboard.

80 Cap'n DOC  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:30:01pm

re: #15 jcm

No. That's a mouse.

81 haakondahl  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:30:03pm

"That's right--fight amongst yourselves."

82 maddogg  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:30:13pm

Jeeze, she is talking about her beating John McCain, like its actually gonna happen. Does Hillary have a nuke to drop on Obama?

83 cjstavern  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:30:14pm

She can now claim the popular vote while Barack can claim the delegate vote. Should be interesting!

84 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:30:25pm
85 daledog  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:30:32pm

re: #36 Charles

I agree. Is there any Repub who will fight like her?

86 sundaydriver  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:31:17pm

At first i wasn't such a Clinton fan. But now, as i'm getting to know Obama, i'm more and more becoming a fan. Obama just creeps me out, not just because of his history of his friends who are among haters and terrorists, but also just because of his face. Of course this is not about colour, until he discovered powerpoint I admired Colin Powell. It's just the faked emotions, the vision he lays in his own eyes and his obviously trained mymics that makes me think that he is the kind of guy who pleases others people just for his own sake. He makes me think of people who turn against you just when you don't expect them to.

87 haakondahl  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:31:21pm

re: #82 maddogg

Jeeze, she is talking about her beating John McCain, like its actually gonna happen. Does Hillary have a nuke to drop on Obama?

Yes--Michelle Obama.

88 Racer X  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:31:35pm

re: #77 Charles

She's picking ... Beyonce!

OK - I'm changing my vote.

89 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:31:35pm

re: #64 nyc redneck

why can't the messiah close the deal?

He is a Marxist - and even my upcountry red-neck Vermont neighbors talk about that in the grocery store checkout line.

He threw Granny under the bus.

He is prejudiced - see remarks about Typical White People, including Granny.

He is silly enough - or stupid enough - to believe that any of us really fall for the line that he sat in a church pew every Sunday for twenty years and never noticed that his "pastor" is a raving, racist madman.

He has absolutely NO experience at anything other than rabble rousing and community organizing.

He knows nothing about economics and even less about world affairs.

He has no military experience.

Shall I go on?

90 stevieray  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:31:51pm

At least a dozen life-long democrats I know will vote McCain if Obama is the candidate... and most of them don't like either of them and are already resigned to voting McCain or sitting this one out. The democrat elite cannot keep ignoring the moderate-left; they aren't interested in racial/gender identity politics, and only want a return to Truman/Kennedy style American liberalism, not cradle-to-grave Euro-socialism.

91 maddogg  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:32:08pm

re: #87 haakondahl

Yes--Michelle Obama.

I thought Michelle might have more to contribute.

92 Muadib  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:32:11pm

re: #71 song_and_dance_man

So Cackle is going to pick a woman as Veep? Did I hear that right?

Double jeopardy.

93 haakondahl  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:32:13pm

re: #86 sundaydriver

At first i wasn't such a Clinton fan. But now, as i'm getting to know Obama, i'm more and more becoming a fan. Obama just creeps me out, not just because of his history of his friends who are among haters and terrorists, but also just because of his face. Of course this is not about colour, until he discovered powerpoint I admired Colin Powell. It's just the faked emotions, the vision he lays in his own eyes and his obviously trained mymics that makes me think that he is the kind of guy who pleases others people just for his own sake. He makes me think of people who turn against you just when you don't expect them to.

You learn quickly, Grasshopper.

94 The Other Les  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:32:16pm

re: #82 maddogg

Jeeze, she is talking about her beating John McCain, like its actually gonna happen. Does Hillary have a nuke to drop on Obama?

"Accidents" happen.

(This is not advocacy.)

95 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:32:27pm

re: #85 daledog

I agree. Is there any Repub who will fight like her?

Randy "Duke" Cunningham is in jail. So the answer is "no".

96 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:33:06pm

re: #90 stevieray
Truman/Kennedy liberalism is now the McCain wing of the repub. party.

97 Zach_the_Lizard  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:33:08pm

re: #90 stevieray

At least a dozen life-long democrats I know will vote McCain if Obama is the candidate... and most of them don't like either of them and are already resigned to voting McCain or sitting this one out. The democrat elite cannot keep ignoring the moderate-left; they aren't interested in racial/gender identity politics, and only want a return to Truman/Kennedy style American liberalism, not cradle-to-grave Euro-socialism.

One of my family's lifelong Democrats (who lives in South Carolina, where her vote is not needed) will vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee.

98 The Other Les  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:33:50pm

re: #89 galloping granny

I would say that he embodies pretty much everything that is wrong with the Democratic Party. Except Hillary.

99 stuiec  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:34:08pm

re: #25 galloping granny

Oregon won't be reported till 11 pm or so. At least one poll has them 4 points apart.

You think she can pull off an upset there? Because THAT would cast some doubt on Obama's inevitability.

100 sngnsgt  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:34:22pm

At least when she's screeching speaking, we don't have to hear that cackle.

101 rightymouse  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:34:45pm

re: #80 Cap'n DOC

No. That's a mouse.

Cut that out....

102 joecitizen  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:34:50pm

Ya' think these people ever feel like the whores that they are?

103 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:35:06pm
104 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:35:11pm

re: #89 galloping granny

Yes - but he has a secret weapon.

7 extra states! And they have outsourced their vote counting to Cook County, Illinois! That is at least 21 extra electoral votes!

105 dekalb  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:35:12pm

With all of this talk about how wonderful Obama is, I keep wondering why he worked as a community organizer (whatever that is) but never a mention that he practiced law. Did he (or his wife) ever pass the bar exam?

It was national news when JFK Jr. failed it a couple of times, but it wouldn't be the case with this guy.

106 lawhawk  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:35:38pm

re: #24 Charles

Look at that bitter audience.

Yes, but will they waffle and go to Obama if and when the inevitable happens and Hillary withdraws or is forced from the race?

107 nyc redneck  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:35:47pm

i have gained respect for hillary. too bad she's a big lib.
i really hope osama gets the nod. at this point his ignorance and lack of experience is so obvious. and it will only get worse for him when he goes up against mccain. the osama supporters are going to need some support groups when he is soundly defeated.

108 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:36:06pm
109 livefreeor die  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:36:35pm

re: #108 song_and_dance_man

I don't think she has the patience for his hair.

She won't want to be upstaged.

110 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:36:46pm

re: #71 song_and_dance_man

So Cackle is going to pick a woman as Veep? Did I hear that right?

That should help her spread the blame when she loses in Nov.

I really don't know which one is going to be more of a threat to McCain. I have a hunch that it's Hillary, given the Clinton machines we have seen in the past, and it seems to me that BHO is making more and more rookie mistakes when under pressure and he will never be able to close the deal against an experience pro that knows how to put that pressure on.

111 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:36:49pm

re: #96 pingjockey

Truman/Kennedy liberalism is now the McCain wing of the repub. party.

If that means winning the War and putting the mullahs out of business in Iran than that is OK by me.

I am voting one issue this time around and the choice could not be clearer.

112 rightymouse  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:37:16pm

re: #105 dekalb

With all of this talk about how wonderful Obama is, I keep wondering why he worked as a community organizer (whatever that is) but never a mention that he practiced law. Did he (or his wife) ever pass the bar exam?

It was national news when JFK Jr. failed it a couple of times, but it wouldn't be the case with this guy.


We had this discussion not so long ago on LGF and it was determined that he did pass the bar. So did Michelle, however, not the first time. Obama did practice law, but nothing note-worthy.

113 VegasRick  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:37:25pm

re: #106 lawhawk

Yes, but will they waffle and go to Obama if and when the inevitable happens and Hillary withdraws or is forced from the race?

Obama, the party of waffles. Like I said before, Obama, the candidate of bullshit and waffles.

114 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:37:51pm

re: #102 joecitizen

Ya' think these people ever feel like the whores that they are?

Remember the last time you parked almost accidentally for 20 seconds in a blue handicapped parking space? Remember how bad you felt as you pulled away? That's how they feel.

115 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:37:57pm

re: #75 pingjockey

Ya think? I don't know. Heard some terrible stories from guys who had been in the WH on duty. Not a nice person.

I did not say she was a nice person. I said it looks like she is a fighter that is good in a crunch.

Don't think I like Hillary - I don't. I think that Hillary's actions over Blue Dress Girl set women in this country back decades and that alone is enough to make me vote Republican. I don't have to like her to see that she has a good quality or two.

Given a choice between Obama, Hillary and McCain, John gets my vote all the way.

Given a choice between Obama and John McCain, my entire family (rabid democrats or independents all) are voting McCain across the board.

But if I had to choose between Obama and Hillary, Hill would get my vote hands down. Obama would be the worst thing to happen to this country since the day that it was founded.

116 Charles  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:38:21pm

Look who's scouring LGF comments for Ted Kennedy bashers:

[Link: pandagon.blogsome.com...]

117 joecitizen  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:38:29pm

re: #110 CyanSnowHawk

That should help her spread the blame when she loses in Nov.

I really don't know which one is going to be more of a threat to McCain. I have a hunch that it's Hillary, given the Clinton machines we have seen in the past, and it seems to me that BHO is making more and more rookie mistakes when under pressure and he will never be able to close the deal against an experience pro that knows how to put that pressure on.

I dont think either one of them will be a real threat to McCain...I still have faith in a place called America

118 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:38:56pm
119 guzziguy  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:39:18pm

re: #71 song_and_dance_man

So Cackle is going to pick a woman as Veep? Did I hear that right?

Madeleine Albright? witch2

120 haakondahl  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:39:37pm

re: #107 nyc redneck

i have gained respect for hillary. too bad she's a big lib.
i really hope obama gets the nod. at this point his ignorance and lack of experience is so obvious. and it will only get worse for him when he goes up against mccain. the obama supporters are going to need some support groups when he is soundly defeated.

I corrected your post. I really don't recommend conflating Obama the man with actual terrorists. He is a fool and a liar, but he is not a terrorist. You make us all look stupid with your second-grade pun and third-rate ad nominem.

And for Christ's sake, use some capital letters. This is not a leftist poetry slam.

121 experiencedtraveller  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:40:36pm

re: #71 song_and_dance_man

So Cackle is going to pick a woman as Veep? Did I hear that right?

Cackle - Geraldine Ferraro 08!

122 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:40:52pm

re: #111 karmic_inquisitor
Oh yes. Nat'l security. The economy will sort itself out, plus no matter what the public thinks the Pres. and Congress don't have a whole lot of impact on the economy.

123 Racer X  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:41:27pm

Via e-mail:

John the farmer was in the fertilized egg business. He had several hundred young layers (hens), called "pullets", and ten roosters, whose job it was to fertilize the eggs.

The farmer kept records and any rooster that didn't perform went into the soup pot and was replaced. That took an awful lot of his time, so he bought a set of tiny bells and attached them to his roosters. Each bell had a different tone so John could tell from a distance, which rooster was performing. Now he could sit on the porch and fill out an efficiency report simply by listening to the bells.

The farmer's favorite rooster was old Butch, a very fine specimen he was, too. But on this particular morning John noticed old Butch's bell hadn't rung at all! John went to investigate. The other roosters were chasing pullets, bells-a-ringing. The pullets, hearing the roosters coming, would run for cover.

But to Farmer John's amazement, old Butch had his bell in his beak, so it couldn't ring. He'd sneak up on a pullet, do his job and walk on to the next one. John was so proud of old Butch, he entered him in the Renfrew County Fair and he became an overnight sensation among the judges.

The result: The judges not only awarded old Butch the No Bell Piece Prize but they awarded him the Pulletsurprise as well.

Clearly old Butch was a politician in the making -- who else but a politician could figure out how to win two of the most highly coveted awards on our planet by being the best at sneaking up on the populace and screwing them when they weren't paying attention.

Vote carefully this year ... The bells are not always audible.

124 stuiec  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:41:42pm

re: #64 nyc redneck

why can't the messiah close the deal?

If I was Hillary, I would be using that every day to taunt Obama until he blew his cool:

"They tell me I should drop out of this race for the good of the Party. But if my opponent wants this nomination, he's sadly mistaken if he thinks I will hand it to him on a silver platter. If he wants it, he will have to win it. And so far, despite having more money and more favorable media coverage than I have, he has been impotent to push through the magic number of delegates needed for the nomination. He may be closer to that number today than I am, but I have news for him: close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. As long as he lacks the strength and determination to clinch the nomination, I will be in this race!"

125 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:41:42pm

re: #115 galloping granny
I agrre totally. Steyn on Fox now talking about obamarams foreign policy nonsense.

126 LeftJustAintRight  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:41:44pm

Clinton / Edwards 08
That would still be a chick Ticket

127 The Other Les  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:41:45pm

re: #116 Charles

Look who's scouring LGF comments for Ted Kennedy bashers:

[Link: pandagon.blogsome.com...]

I'm not even bashing Teddy on my blog.

That would take all night.

128 joecitizen  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:42:05pm

re: #120 haakondahl

I corrected your post. I really don't recommend conflating Obama the man with actual terrorists. He is a fool and a liar, but he is not a terrorist. You make us all look stupid with your second-grade pun and third-rate ad nominem.

And for Christ's sake, use some capital letters. This is not a leftist poetry slam.

uh oh..thread cop...

129 VegasRick  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:42:23pm

re: #116 Charles

Look who's scouring LGF comments for Ted Kennedy bashers:

[Link: pandagon.blogsome.com...]

They would have better luck going over to KOS or the huffers.

130 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:42:35pm

With Florida included and Michigan excluded, she is now only 120,163 votes behind The Messiah.

That is less than 1/2 of a percentage point of the total votes cast.

The numbers are here

131 akarra  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:42:46pm

I don't know if y'all have seen this, but Jay Cost over at Real Clear Politics always has sharp insights, and his take on this primary going to Puerto Rico I find really interesting:

Not Quite Yet

132 EE  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:43:02pm

As Hillary pointed out in her victory speech in Kentucky, the number of votes needed to nominate the winner, whoever she may be, is 2210.

Media in the tank for Obama please take note and correct your figure. Not 2025; 2210 is what is needed.

The Democrats have always said that EVERY VOTE SHOULD COUNT. Which means that 2210 delegate votes are needed to nominate, NOT 2025, since the 2.3 million votes cast in Florida and Michigan need to be counted, not stuffed into the waste basket.

So media-Obamites, STOP showing your bias!

Note to Hillary Democrats, tired of being shafted and railroaded by the Obamites, both in the media, and the superdelegates that have been bought with more than $600,000 of gifts from Obama: Don't be suckered any more by this railroading sham. Hillary has the popular vote, when ALL votes are counted. And tonight she will even expand her spread in the popular vote. If the phony bought superdelegates still insist on ignoring the popular vote, and give their nod to Caucus-Man (whose goons took the caucuses circuses where there never was any secret ballot), don't take the phoniness any more: join the Democrats for McCain. YOU WILL BE WELCOMED WITH OPEN ARMS BY DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN!

133 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:43:29pm

re: #121 experiencedtraveller

Cackle - Geraldine Ferraro 08!

Clinton / Obama* '08.

*as in Michelle.

134 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:43:54pm
135 The Other Les  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:43:56pm

re: #129 VegasRick

They would have better luck going over to KOS or the huffers.

I suppose it could be argued that Senator Kennedy is not sufficiently Progressive for them.

136 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:43:57pm

re: #99 stuiec

You think she can pull off an upset there? Because THAT would cast some doubt on Obama's inevitability.

They were predicting that he would take Oregon with nearly the margin she took Kentucky. Come to find out, that 80K person rally the other day - they were all there because of the free concert. I think if she even comes close she is casting a lot of doubt. And I think that that is exactly why he isn't taking his victory lap tonight like he announced that he would.

I also think that the Dems had better change their minds and count those Florida and Michigan votes if they don't want to lose those two states in the general election. You don't disenfranchise people and then ask them to vote for you.

137 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:44:26pm

re: #122 pingjockey

Oh yes. Nat'l security. The economy will sort itself out, plus no matter what the public thinks the Pres. and Congress don't have a whole lot of impact on the economy.

Except that they can screw it up.

138 Cartman  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:44:31pm

This is what happens when a candidate openly declares disdain for the "flyover country" folks. Cackle doesn't much care for the "unwashed masses" either, but she's been smart enough to keep it under wraps.

139 Truck Monkey  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:44:51pm

re: #123 Racer X

Via e-mail:

John the farmer was in the fertilized egg business. He had several hundred young layers (hens), called "pullets", and ten roosters, whose job it was to fertilize the eggs.

The farmer kept records and any rooster that didn't perform went into the soup pot and was replaced. That took an awful lot of his time, so he bought a set of tiny bells and attached them to his roosters. Each bell had a different tone so John could tell from a distance, which rooster was performing. Now he could sit on the porch and fill out an efficiency report simply by listening to the bells.

The farmer's favorite rooster was old Butch, a very fine specimen he was, too. But on this particular morning John noticed old Butch's bell hadn't rung at all! John went to investigate. The other roosters were chasing pullets, bells-a-ringing. The pullets, hearing the roosters coming, would run for cover.

But to Farmer John's amazement, old Butch had his bell in his beak, so it couldn't ring. He'd sneak up on a pullet, do his job and walk on to the next one. John was so proud of old Butch, he entered him in the Renfrew County Fair and he became an overnight sensation among the judges.

The result: The judges not only awarded old Butch the No Bell Piece Prize but they awarded him the Pulletsurprise as well.

Clearly old Butch was a politician in the making -- who else but a politician could figure out how to win two of the most highly coveted awards on our planet by being the best at sneaking up on the populace and screwing them when they weren't paying attention.

Vote carefully this year ... The bells are not always audible.


That, sir, is quite simply the best fable that I have ever read.

140 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:45:40pm

re: #137 karmic_inquisitor
Damn, should've been clearer. Damn straight they can FUBAR the economy, but as to improving it, not so much.

141 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:46:08pm

re: #131 akarra

Puerto Rico will vote for Hillary in large numbers. She has strong Hispanic support.

142 mean Gene  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:46:32pm

Most of the nation will be asleep before Obama's win in the West is finalized.
Hillary is hanging tough.

143 haakondahl  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:46:37pm

re: #128 joecitizen

uh oh..thread cop...

BTW, so long as by "thread cop" you mean "annoying guy who thinks he knows everything", you are absolutely correct. But I am not an ÜberLizard. By "corrected your post", I was referring to the copy of it which I quoted.

144 VegasRick  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:46:37pm

re: #135 The Other Les

I suppose it could be argued that Senator Kennedy is not sufficiently Progressive for them.

Yep. Those folks are real kooks.

145 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:47:12pm
146 joecitizen  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:48:13pm

re: #141 karmic_inquisitor

Puerto Rico will vote for Hillary in large numbers. She has strong Hispanic support.

which may have something to do with the puerto rican terrorists her husband pardoned..

147 EE  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:48:16pm

re: #136 galloping granny

They were predicting that he would take Oregon with nearly the margin she took Kentucky. Come to find out, that 80K person rally the other day - they were all there because of the free concert. I think if she even comes close she is casting a lot of doubt. And I think that that is exactly why he isn't taking his victory lap tonight like he announced that he would.

I also think that the Dems had better change their minds and count those Florida and Michigan votes if they don't want to lose those two states in the general election. You don't disenfranchise people and then ask them to vote for you.

Good observations, galloping granny!

And they should count the votes of Florida and Michigan before they pick a winner, not afterward! Otherwise, they are showing their contempt for the 2.3 million people who voted in Florida and Michigan, and whose true voices deserve to be heard before the superdelegates vote and pick a nominee.

148 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:48:26pm

re: #145 buzzsawmonkey
I remember Flip Wilsons' show!

149 Grammy Cracker  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:48:47pm

re: #116 Charles

Look who's scouring LGF comments for Ted Kennedy bashers:

[Link: pandagon.blogsome.com...]

Thank you, Charles, for posting the link back. I had no doubt my fellow Lizards would be gracious and sympathetic, but it did my heart good to read what was posted here. If they're looking for rejoicing, they'll have to look elsewhere.

150 lawhawk  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:48:56pm

OT:
Israeli airstrikes kill 4. Time ledes - youth among four killed. However, witnesses note that there was a mobile rocket launcher in the vicinity. In other words, if you want to complain about the most recent Palestinian deaths - talk to Hamas and the terrorists. No rocket attacks against Israel = no Israeli reprisals. Saavy?

151 joecitizen  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:49:57pm

re: #143 haakondahl

BTW, so long as by "thread cop" you mean "annoying guy who thinks he knows everything", you are absolutely correct. But I am not an ÜberLizard. By "corrected your post", I was referring to the copy of it which I quoted.


I agree with "annoying guy etc.." Lighten up,Francis.(to coin a phrase..heh)

152 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:50:00pm

re: #130 karmic_inquisitor

With Florida included and Michigan excluded, she is now only 120,163 votes behind The Messiah.

That is less than 1/2 of a percentage point of the total votes cast.

The numbers are here

And if you include Michigan, where it turns out the Obama was on the ticket before he wasn't (geesh - that remind you of anyone?) then Hillary is ahead.

153 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:50:14pm

re: #146 joecitizen

which may have something to do with the puerto rican terrorists her husband pardoned..

Ya think?

Meanwhile, Obama has done his dirty deal with the Teamsters and the Chicago Mob.

154 VegasRick  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:51:23pm

re: #153 karmic_inquisitor

Ya think?

Meanwhile, Obama has done his dirty deal with the Teamsters and the Chicago Mob.

"Obambi's riddddiiinnn diiirrtttaaaa"

155 experiencedtraveller  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:51:33pm

re: #116 Charles

Here is Pandagon's Amanda explaining history.

156 tommygum  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:51:39pm

VDH puts it all in perspective.

157 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:51:42pm

re: #150 lawhawk
As Grampa used to say " you mess around with the bandwagon you're liable to get hit with a horn".

158 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:51:55pm
159 sadhu  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:51:56pm

I am going to vote for the first time in 30+ years and it won't be for obiwannabe. He will be crushed.

160 lawhawk  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:52:47pm

re: #136 galloping granny

Obama's hoping that the media will declare him winner without him having to come out and say so directly. He figures that his fawning media lackeys will do his work for him and pressure Hillary to the sidelines.

Obama could end up with a bare majority of delegates, but that doesn't mean he's going to win at the convention - it depends on what happens with the popular vote and how Hillary handles things.

A summer surprise (or earlier) wouldn't hurt Hillary's chances either.

Then again, Sen. Kennedy's illness is not good news for Obama since he was one of his biggest supporters and behind the scenes guys for getting delegates to favor Obama over Clinton. Someone will have to pick up his considerable efforts. It's an organizational hit that might hurt at the worst possible time - going into the convention, though if Kennedy is able to make the convention, he could be the shot in the arm that Obama needs to go over the top.

161 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:53:34pm

re: #141 karmic_inquisitor

Puerto Rico will vote for Hillary in large numbers. She has strong Hispanic support.

And what Hillary does not have in strong Hispanic support, Obama has in strong Hispanic disapproval.

162 nyc redneck  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:54:03pm

re: #120 haakondahl

I corrected your post. I really don't recommend conflating Obama the man with actual terrorists. He is a fool and a liar, but he is not a terrorist. You make us all look stupid with your second-grade pun and third-rate ad nominem.

And for Christ's sake, use some capital letters. This is not a leftist poetry slam.

thanks for taking it upon yourself to correct my post but i often refer to him as osama because i'm not convinced he isn't, in fact, a moslem. and i don't care what you recommend. i'll continue to do that until i decide to do otherwise. also you should never let anyone else's actions make you feel stupid. that's ridiculous. ( i do apologize for my bad, lack of, typing skills, tho. LOL. i'll try to do better, until then don't read my posts. i don't want you feeling stupid).

163 Ziggy  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:54:32pm

Kentucky must be full of racists. The UN special rapporteur on contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance (phew, what a mouth full) should investigate Kentucky as well.

164 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:54:59pm
165 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:56:12pm

re: #147 EE

Good observations, galloping granny!

And they should count the votes of Florida and Michigan before they pick a winner, not afterward! Otherwise, they are showing their contempt for the 2.3 million people who voted in Florida and Michigan, and whose true voices deserve to be heard before the superdelegates vote and pick a nominee.

Exactly. That whole superdelegate crapola is already fishy enough as it is. Really, really smacks of the old smoke filled back room political deals of the old-time Democratic Machine.

166 stuiec  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:56:26pm

re: #136 galloping granny

They were predicting that he would take Oregon with nearly the margin she took Kentucky. Come to find out, that 80K person rally the other day - they were all there because of the free concert. I think if she even comes close she is casting a lot of doubt. And I think that that is exactly why he isn't taking his victory lap tonight like he announced that he would.

I also think that the Dems had better change their minds and count those Florida and Michigan votes if they don't want to lose those two states in the general election. You don't disenfranchise people and then ask them to vote for you.

I still think that she would have to outscore Obama in Oregon, not merely come in a close second, to give her campaign enough of a push to keep it running through to the convention.

I think the new movie, RECOUNT, that's about to come out will have an unintended side effect on the Democrat Party rulers: their party has bought into the narrative that the 2000 election was stolen because Florida's votes were not counted correctly. For them to disregard outright the votes of Florida's Democrats specifically will look even more arrogant and incompetent in light of the movie's reminder. It will leave them open to the charge of "Bush-ite tactics" to give the nomination to their hand-picked candidate in total contempt of the democratic process.

I think they would find that charge more painful and damaging than the counter-charge that counting Florida and Michigan votes at this late date flouts the rules that everyone in the Party -- outside those two states -- agreed to fair and square. Democrats seem rather comfortable with rewriting the rules as they go along, as in the three recounts in Washington State's gubernatorial election....

167 really grumpy big dog johnson  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:56:33pm

re: #1 stuiec

Two-to-one in Kentucky isn't nearly as good as even a one-point win in Oregon would have been: a victory in the liberal heart of Obamaland might have made a difference, even at this late date....

I guess I haven't seen those elections results yet...

This sham parade of the coronation of Obama as the messiah of the party is going to come to a crashing end soon, certainly no later than Denver, where some very hard questions are going to be asked, and for a change, real answers will be required.

I can't wait.

168 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:56:51pm

Hillbillies for Hillary!

I mean no disrespect by this; they have more insight than the liberals voting for Obama.

169 VegasRick  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:56:52pm

re: #164 song_and_dance_man

B-HO is now wishing there really were 57 states.

Or that hamasses and hizzbullies could vote.

170 haakondahl  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:57:00pm

re: #150 lawhawk

OT:
Israeli airstrikes kill 4. Time ledes - youth among four killed. However, witnesses note that there was a mobile rocket launcher in the vicinity. In other words, if you want to complain about the most recent Palestinian deaths - talk to Hamas and the terrorists. No rocket attacks against Israel = no Israeli reprisals. Saavy?

Hmmm. Either the Palestinian people are partisan fighters in this war, or they are not in a Democracy:
The presence of rocket launchers typically brings about rapid death, as it should.
If they are not partisans, and if they are in a Democracy, then the people would have the power to force the rocket launchers to be elsewhere. Obviously, one of those conditions is not met.
I'd like to see the Leftists poke holes in that syllogism.

171 Racer X  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:57:00pm

OT

Christians targeted in Gaza

Bombings of churches, Bible store follow Hamas' ascent to power.

Christians warned: Accept Islamic law

Sheik Abu Saqer, leader of Jihadia Salafiya, an Islamic outreach movement that recently announced the opening of a "military wing" to enforce Muslim law in Gaza, told WND in a recent interview all Christians in Gaza engaged in missionary activity will be "dealt with harshly."

Jihadia Salafiya, allied with Hamas, is suspected of a slew of Islamist attacks, including firebombing Internet cafes and one in May against a United Nations school in Gaza after it allowed boys and girls to participate in the same sporting event. One person was killed in the attack.

When Hamas seized complete control of the Gaza Strip in June, there were widespread fears it would impose hardline Islamic rule in the territory, and that life for Christians might deteriorate.

About 3,000 Christians live in the Gaza Strip, which has a population of over 1 million.

172 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:57:02pm

This crusher represents IMHO the national unelectability of Obama, who makes statements like:

'won't be able to eat all we want and still have other nations think we're OK.'

This is profoundly un American, as is:

"Punished by a baby", said of his own potential grandchild.

173 mikeinmd  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:57:39pm

Shocka at MSNBC !

Exit poll: Whites back Clinton strongly in Ky.
3 in 10 whites say race a factor; Obama unable to gain working-class vote

What's the proportion of African-Americans for Barack ?

BLAAHHH !

174 experiencedtraveller  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:57:50pm
Q: What is Mary had taken Plan B after the Lord filled her with his hot, white, sticky Holy Spirit?

A: You’d have to justify your misogyny with another ancient mythology.

Pandagon June 14, 2006

175 Globular Cluster  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:58:15pm

B b b but the media has anointed Obama already!

I'm actually starting to respect Hillary. She's a real scrapper.

176 EE  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:58:39pm

re: #159 sadhu

I am going to vote for the first time in 30+ years and it won't be for obiwannabe. He will be crushed.

Good for you!

177 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:58:54pm

re: #163 Ziggy

Kentucky must be full of racists. The UN special rapporteur on contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance (phew, what a mouth full) should investigate Kentucky as well.

Dou-Dou will go visit the coal miners, see a miner covered in coal dust, and think he's a racist in blackface.

New movie:
"Racist Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Overseers of the UN"

178 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:58:54pm

re: #120 haakondahl

I corrected your post. I really don't recommend conflating Obama the man with actual terrorists. He is a fool and a liar, but he is not a terrorist. You make us all look stupid with your second-grade pun and third-rate ad nominem.

And for Christ's sake, use some capital letters. This is not a leftist poetry slam.

Having a bad day there haakondahl ?
Obama's been getting slammed from all sides about his name. Our redneck friend certainly crossed no lines not previously crossed.

..don't need no stinkin' caps. never has never will. go redneck!

179 VegasRick  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:59:01pm

re: #173 mikeinmd

Shocka at MSNBC !

Exit poll: Whites back Clinton strongly in Ky.
3 in 10 whites say race a factor; Obama unable to gain working-class vote

What's the proportion of African-Americans for Barack ?

BLAAHHH !

127%.

180 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 5:59:21pm
181 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:00:27pm

re: #174 experiencedtraveller
That is vile. I take it this Pandagon person is like Wonkette or Kos or the Huffers. No manners or morality?

182 LeftJustAintRight  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:00:33pm

Is it my imagination or is this the longest election in history?

183 Globular Cluster  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:01:14pm

re: #120 haakondahl

I corrected your post. I really don't recommend conflating Obama the man with actual terrorists. He is a fool and a liar, but he is not a terrorist. You make us all look stupid with your second-grade pun and third-rate ad nominem.

And for Christ's sake, use some capital letters. This is not a leftist poetry slam.

Well said.

184 1SG(ret)  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:01:21pm

re: #163 Ziggy

Who you talking about Willis?

185 Slumbering Behemoth  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:01:25pm

re: #173 mikeinmd

Shocka at MSNBC !

Exit poll: Whites back Clinton strongly in Ky.
3 in 10 whites say race a factor; Obama unable to gain working-class vote

What's the proportion of African-Americans for Barack ?

BLAAHHH !

What's that you say? Democrats are racist? Who da thunk it?
/

186 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:01:25pm

re: #167 really grumpy big dog johnson

I guess I haven't seen those elections results yet...

This sham parade of the coronation of Obama as the messiah of the party is going to come to a crashing end soon, certainly no later than Denver, where some very hard questions are going to be asked, and for a change, real answers will be required.

I can't wait.

I still think that we might very well see a schism in the democrats and end up with a three party system next time around.

187 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:01:32pm

re: #182 LeftJustAintRight
Not your imagination. I am sick of this shit. Except for the prospect of a donk floor fight in Denver.

188 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:01:37pm

Holly Crap!

Do the math.

If she wins Puerto Rico by 100,000 votes, she is the undisputed popular vote winner (eg includes Florida and excludes Michigan. The Democrats can't be stupid enough to exclude Florida in the popular vote).

Denver will be ugly.

189 Truck Monkey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:01:50pm

Does anyone else here think that if the Obammessiah wins the Presidency that he will fence in the Appalachian parts of PA/OH/MD/VA and KY? Kind of a Guantanamo Bay for the dangerous Hillbillies.

190 VegasRick  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:02:06pm

re: #182 LeftJustAintRight

Is it my imagination or is this the longest election in history?

Must have taken viagra or some such thing.......Oh, wait, I misread your post!

191 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:02:09pm

re: #182 LeftJustAintRight

Is it my imagination or is this the longest election in history?

Not your imagination. These days the next election seems to start about 5 minutes after the swearing in ceremony.

192 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:02:23pm

re: #180 song_and_dance_man


Hillbilly

ARRGHH!

Years ago, the Charlestown Boys' Club (outside of Boston, MA), had a musical group, the "Bunker Hillbillies". They had instruments made out of sticks and washtubs, etc.
My father knew the person who ran the group, and they performed a couple of times at a home for abused children where my father and the Jewish War Veterans would run monthly parties.

193 rusty_armor  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:02:33pm

Where does the 800# gorilla sleep now?

F L O R I D A ! !

194 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:02:43pm

re: #188 karmic_inquisitor

Holly Crap!

Do the math.

If she wins Puerto Rico by 100,000 votes, she is the undisputed popular vote winner (eg includes Florida and excludes Michigan. The Democrats can't be stupid enough to exclude Florida in the popular vote).

Denver will be ugly.

Denver gonna' be the most fun we've had in a looooooong time.

195 NoSubmission  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:03:02pm

I've come to respect Hillary during all this. It's got to feel good to trounce Obama.

196 Slumbering Behemoth  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:03:17pm

re: #182 LeftJustAintRight


Is it my imagination or is this the longest election in history?

Not your imagination. This election cycle (campaigning) started much earlier than those in the past.

197 Yishai  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:03:36pm

re: #182 LeftJustAintRight

Is it my imagination or is this the longest election in history?

It's not your imagination. It's Global Warming.

198 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:03:39pm
199 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:04:03pm

Hannity smacking around some bimbette now about Fla and Mich.

200 Truck Monkey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:04:10pm

re: #189 Truck Monkey

Does anyone else here think that if the Obammessiah wins the Presidency that he will fence in the Appalachian parts of PA/OH/MD/VA and KY? Kind of a Guantanamo Bay for the dangerous Hillbillies.

Oh, and I forgot the whole state of West Virginia.

201 Racer X  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:04:36pm

OK - this is just sick:

Texas megachurch minister caught in Internet sex sting

52-year-old man busted after driving 200 miles in wife's car to have sex with 13-year-old girl.

Greeting Rev. Joe Barron, minister to married adults at the 26,000-member Prestonwood Baptist Church, near Dallas, when he arrived Thursday, with a package of condoms on the car seat, were members of the Bryan, Texas, police force.

Police discovered Barron was a minister during questioning.

Barron is the 12th man arrested since November 2006 in Byran's sting operation. "This is the first person that is this prominent that we've arrested," Malinik said.

202 Racer X  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:05:01pm

re: #182 LeftJustAintRight

Is it my imagination or is this the longest election in history?

Viva, Viagra!

203 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:05:08pm

re: #198 savage_nation
Pack some of that pepper spray for grizzly bears. Ought to work good on donk nutjobs.

204 NoSubmission  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:05:09pm

re: #196 Slumbering Behemoth

Not your imagination. This election cycle (campaigning) started much earlier than those in the past.


It will likely continue this way into future elections. It will never end.

205 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:05:20pm

OT - all that training jumping through flaming hoops has been useless after all:

Abbas's US-Trained Police Proving Helpless Against Terror

Although since the "police" probably are largely made up of terrorists....

206 livefreeor die  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:05:21pm

re: #160 lawhawk

Obama's hoping that the media will declare him winner without him having to come out and say so directly. He figures that his fawning media lackeys will do his work for him and pressure Hillary to the sidelines.

Obama could end up with a bare majority of delegates, but that doesn't mean he's going to win at the convention - it depends on what happens with the popular vote and how Hillary handles things.

A summer surprise (or earlier) wouldn't hurt Hillary's chances either.

Then again, Sen. Kennedy's illness is not good news for Obama since he was one of his biggest supporters and behind the scenes guys for getting delegates to favor Obama over Clinton. Someone will have to pick up his considerable efforts. It's an organizational hit that might hurt at the worst possible time - going into the convention, though if Kennedy is able to make the convention, he could be the shot in the arm that Obama needs to go over the top.

If Kennedy contacts superdelegates and asks them to "do me this favor" of voting for Obama, who is going to say no to him?

207 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:05:24pm
208 Alouette  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:05:55pm

Snapping Obama poodle attacks Hillary (from the folks who brought you Bill Clinton grabbing the Statue of Liberty's boobs).

209 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:06:06pm
210 VegasRick  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:06:36pm

I'm listening to Mike Savage right now, anybody know who this old fool that keeps crying is?

211 Truck Monkey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:07:04pm

re: #207 savage_nation

Can they lock Robert Byrd in then?

Senator Byyyrd and Rockyfeller will be the only two allowed out.

212 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:07:14pm

You have to update it with West Va and KY results, but lookie here. Just plug the numbers in.

Obama will lose the popular vote.

213 stuiec  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:07:18pm

re: #167 really grumpy big dog johnson

I guess I haven't seen those elections results yet...

This sham parade of the coronation of Obama as the messiah of the party is going to come to a crashing end soon, certainly no later than Denver, where some very hard questions are going to be asked, and for a change, real answers will be required.

I can't wait.

I'll be very shocked if Hillary ekes out a win in Oregon. Pleased, but shocked.

I think the Democrat Party rulers and the media Obamaphiliacs are desperate for the contest to be over, thinking that a mere concession by Hillary will magically heal the rifts in their party. It seems to me that even if Hillary stopped her campaign now, the divisions in the party would manifest themselves in Denver with a lot of bitterness and bickering. I've bumped into Hillary supporters who believe with all their hearts that Hillary is only being denied the nomination that is rightfully hers because of sexism -- not because of any faults Hillary might have, or merits Obama might have. That sort of irrational belief isn't going away easily.

214 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:07:21pm

re: #198 savage_nation

I so pray I get a load to Denver! I even put in a special request...

What? You gonna' Mad Max the rioters?
/;-P

215 Salem  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:07:24pm

My respect level for Hillary hasn't changed. But I wouldn't freak out if she ended up winning the Presidency. If Obomba won, I'd be a bit more concerned. I'd rather not think about McCain, for some reason. I'd say there's a better than 50% chance it's going to be him, anyway.

216 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:07:36pm

I still think that Obama will be easier to beat than Hillary come November.

217 LeftJustAintRight  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:07:39pm

Florida votes should not count
That is two election cycles that they screwed up
Two strikes rule should apply
Take away their ballots till they learn to do it right

218 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:07:55pm

re: #206 livefreeor die

If Kennedy contacts superdelegates and asks them to "do me this favor" of voting for Obama, who is going to say no to him?

Ted Kennedy is not going to be doing much. He is going to be drugged up pretty well to keep him from having more seizures, receiving chem and radiation (which is an absolute nightmare) and will probably be having some speech, balance and other similar problems stemming from the tumor.

219 sngnsgt  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:08:11pm

Fox News on the crawl:
66% Clinton 30% Obama

220 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:08:41pm

re: #208 Alouette

Snapping Obama poodle attacks Hillary (from the folks who brought you Bill Clinton grabbing the Statue of Liberty's boobs).

That's not a poodle; looks more like a bulldog.

(Too bad I don't have any poodle pictures up somewhere. BTW, our two youngest ones were bred by a retired officer, former commander of a military base, who had also been an advisor to the Shah of Iran. And they are very friendly, but at 50-60 lbs, frightening if you don't know them. And that's the way we want them to be.)

221 Salem  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:09:10pm

It's Jimmy Carter all the way around, anyhow. Which ever party wins it is going to regret it.

222 NoSubmission  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:09:12pm

Bitterly, Obama clings to Hope!

223 nyc redneck  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:09:35pm

i'm stunned at hillary's tenacity. you have to admire that. and it really seems like she would be more difficult to beat than osama at this point. he just seems so wafflie and weak.

224 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:09:42pm
225 lawhawk  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:09:44pm

re: #205 Kosh's Shadow

OT - all that training jumping through flaming hoops has been useless after all:

Abbas's US-Trained Police Proving Helpless Against Terror

Although since the "police" probably are largely made up of terrorists....

Slap a couple of uniforms on 'em and they're no longer terrorists. Problem is that Fatah is and has remained a terrorist group at heart, and has no intention of peace with Israel. Hudnas perhaps, but not peace.

Their goal is the same as Hamas, and Hamas is far more violent than Fatah is these days.

226 EE  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:10:02pm

re: #165 galloping granny

Exactly. That whole superdelegate crapola is already fishy enough as it is. Really, really smacks of the old smoke filled back room political deals of the old-time Democratic Machine.

Yes! I agree entirely!

I think that the f600,000 -- an amount which turns out to be more than 3.5 times what Hillary gave them -- and also the expectation that there's a lot more money where that came from if they vote for Obama -- is going to affect their votes. In other words, Obama has bought the superdelegates. Buying judges is something that he may have learned from his business associate, the fixer Tony Rezko.

The Teamsters are not the only ones that Obama bought.

If they were not bought, they wouldn't be pressuring the winner of the popular vote -- Hillary -- to drop out of the race before the rest of the states are heard from, and before the votes of Florida and Michigan are counted. It's a real sham, a railroading of the process, very undemocratic.

As I said, Hillary voters who don't want to take this contempt and railroading should turn to Democrats for McCain, where they will be welcomed with open arms!

227 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:10:05pm
228 DesertSage  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:10:11pm

Skeletor is an idiot.

229 livefreeor die  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:10:34pm

re: #218 galloping granny

Ted Kennedy is not going to be doing much. He is going to be drugged up pretty well to keep him from having more seizures, receiving chem and radiation (which is an absolute nightmare) and will probably be having some speech, balance and other similar problems stemming from the tumor.

I don't like his politics but I am very sad for him and his family. My father-in-law had kidney cancer that spread to his brain. He had a few rounds of intensive radiation treatment that would get rid of a tumor but in a few months there would be a new one. Finally, it seemed that so many threads in his brain had been cut that the whole system fell apart. I wouldn't wish this on anyone.

230 UncleSam  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:10:37pm

re: #210 VegasRick

I'm listening to Mike Savage right now, anybody know who this old fool that keeps crying is?

Senator Robert Byrd.

231 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:10:50pm
232 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:10:56pm

re: #214 jcm
Bwahahahaha!

233 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:11:04pm

re: #222 NoSubmission

Bitterly, Obama clings to Hope!

I see him, jacket and tie astray, sitting alone at a table; the campaign signs falling down, waffles in front of him as he chugs maple syrup. Someone goes to comfort him (his wife doesn't seem the comforting type), and he slurs "Let me eat my waffle!"

234 stuiec  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:11:11pm

re: #181 pingjockey

That is vile. I take it this Pandagon person is like Wonkette or Kos or the Huffers. No manners or morality?

I believe she was John Edwards's director of Web strategy early on in his campaign... until her, shall we say, controversial blog posts came to light.

235 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:11:30pm
236 Dan G.  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:11:55pm

re: #36 Charles

I never thought I'd say it, but I've actually gained some respect for her in this campaign.

Not a lot. But some.

I have gained quite a bit of respect for her as well. She's quite tenacious, and that, I believe, is an admirable trait. Her ideas still suck... Keep in mind, to respect the opposition isn't the same as liking them...

237 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:11:57pm
238 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:11:57pm

re: #213 stuiec

I'll be very shocked if Hillary ekes out a win in Oregon. Pleased, but shocked.

I think the Democrat Party rulers and the media Obamaphiliacs are desperate for the contest to be over, thinking that a mere concession by Hillary will magically heal the rifts in their party. It seems to me that even if Hillary stopped her campaign now, the divisions in the party would manifest themselves in Denver with a lot of bitterness and bickering. I've bumped into Hillary supporters who believe with all their hearts that Hillary is only being denied the nomination that is rightfully hers because of sexism -- not because of any faults Hillary might have, or merits Obama might have. That sort of irrational belief isn't going away easily.

There is a lot of truth in that sexism charge. I wouldn't call that the only reason, but a substantial one. And it is not an irrational belief, though it might seem that way to you if you are male.

239 wolfie  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:12:06pm

re: #146 joecitizen

which may have something to do with the puerto rican terrorists her husband pardoned..

Those terrorists have far less support in Puerto Rico than they do at the average American university. The vast majority of Puerto Ricans either want PR to stay an associated commonwealth or to become the 51st state. Very few want independence at all, and of those very few support terrorism as a means to getting it.

240 Slumbering Behemoth  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:12:44pm

If the B-HO (h/t S&DM) fails to get the nomination, will he become drinking buddies with D. Rather? They seem to have at least one thing in common.

241 RedWhiteAndJew  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:12:50pm

To the tune of "I am a Man of Constant Sorrow," by the Soggy Bottom Boys

I...am a man...of constant sorrow
I've seen my poll numbers slipping...these past few days...
I bid farewell...to old Kentucky...
The place where people cling to guns and the bible's ways...

...etc...

242 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:12:55pm

re: #225 lawhawk

Slap a couple of uniforms on 'em and they're no longer terrorists. Problem is that Fatah is and has remained a terrorist group at heart, and has no intention of peace with Israel. Hudnas perhaps, but not peace.

Their goal is the same as Hamas, and Hamas is far more violent than Fatah is these days.

Actually, the uniforms do make them no longer terrorists, but enemy combatants, subject to the Geneva Convention. No uniform, and they're terrorists and war criminals, and can be executed. Uniform, and they go to POW camps where the Red Cross can make sure they have all the Korans they need.
When will the Red Cross insist on visiting Shalit?

244 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:13:10pm

re: #228 DesertSage
That is being kind. Gawd I love the whinning from the left about unfair press coverage!

245 sngnsgt  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:13:34pm

I think Alan Colmes on Fox is wetting his panties over Hillbilly's win over Obama in KY.

246 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:13:41pm

re: #228 DesertSage

Skeletor is an idiot.

Seemingly FOX can't get a lib with a mind.
Why is that?
softball.

247 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:14:05pm

re: #234 stuiec
Oh, that little slut. Her momma must be real proud. Red diaper doper baby for sure.

248 Racer X  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:14:28pm

The Audacity of Hillary! Hopefully she won't Change a lot of democrats minds to vote for her.

249 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:14:47pm

Good evening, Lizards.

250 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:14:58pm

re: #248 Racer X
That is a triple shot! DRINK!

251 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:15:23pm

re: #246 unrealizedviewpoint

Seemingly FOX can't get a lib with a mind.
Why is that?
softball.

Lib - - mind.
Mutually exclusive since Moynihan and Jackson.

252 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:15:25pm

re: #249 goddessoftheclassroom

Buona Sera

253 UncleSam  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:15:25pm

re: #231 savage_nation

wow, the Dead Kennedys on Savage!

Yeah, I heard that and thought it was in extremely poor taste.
And he beat the bit into the ground, playing it over and over.
Had to switch stations.
He's gotten almost unbearable lately, like he just plain hates everything...

254 Racer X  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:15:26pm

re: #235 song_and_dance_man

That's just mean.

Really mean. What's the point?

255 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:15:31pm
256 joecitizen  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:15:32pm

anyone else having problems with the site?Seems when I hit the quote button or try to ding up it takes me back to the front page,and several times when that has happened I hit the last comment on this thread and it took me to the Teddy thread instead.Signed,a concerned Lizard.

257 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:15:35pm

re: #243 Ojoe

Obama is also unelectable because of this:

Obama soes not understand that as soon as the most moral people do not have the biggest weapons, the evil will prey upon the innocent.

Disarm the US but let Iran get nukes. He is the Mahdi.

258 Truck Monkey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:15:39pm

re: #230 UncleSam

Senator Robert Byrd.

I've seen the video. These two go back 40 plus years and his emotions are real and raw. Don't like either of their politics but there is something very sad about seeing an old friend pay tribute to his comrade.

259 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:15:49pm

re: #249 goddessoftheclassroom
Hey goddess, how goes the battle to enlighten young minds?

260 sngnsgt  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:15:55pm

Evening goddess...

261 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:16:35pm

re: #255 song_and_dance_man
Lalalalalalalalalalalala!

262 Dan G.  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:16:42pm

re: #251 jcm

Lib - - mind.
Mutually exclusive since Moynihan and Jackson.

I'm curious about when "liberal" became synonymous with "leftist"... There is nothing freedom loving about a leftist.

263 EE  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:16:53pm

re: #36 Charles

I never thought I'd say it, but I've actually gained some respect for her in this campaign.

Not a lot. But some.

Good!

IMO if we are going to get a Democrat as president, it would be better to have a fighter than an outright wimp, with a super-wimpish foreign policy, like Barack Neville-Chamberlain Obama, the Great Appeaser.

264 Racer X  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:16:53pm

re: #245 sngnsgt

I think Alan Colmes on Fox is wetting his panties over Hillbilly's win over Obama in KY.

I laughed at that comment. Then I winced.

265 NoSubmission  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:17:13pm

re: #233 Kosh's Shadow

I see him, jacket and tie astray, sitting alone at a table; the campaign signs falling down, waffles in front of him as he chugs maple syrup. Someone goes to comfort him (his wife doesn't seem the comforting type), and he slurs "Let me eat my waffle!"


His wife, her upper lip tight as a piano wire, glares from across the table. Obama, eyes down [as always], 'Kentucky must be racist! Get Rev. Wright on the phone. '

266 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:17:16pm
267 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:17:35pm

re: #255 song_and_dance_man

OK everyone quiet - American Idol is on.


Shhh... Shhhh... Shhhh.

Dammit! Quiet in here!

268 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:17:36pm
269 joecitizen  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:17:38pm

re: #209 savage_nation

Yes, I'll drop by Cabelas on the way down.


swing by Pittsburgh on the way and I'm in...

270 haakondahl  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:17:47pm

re: #253 UncleSam

Yeah, I heard that and thought it was in extremely poor taste.
And he beat the bit into the ground, playing it over and over.
Had to switch stations.
He's gotten almost unbearable lately, like he just plain hates everything...

Can't stand that ranting liar Savage.

271 nyc redneck  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:17:53pm

re: #243 Ojoe

Obama is also unelectable because of this:

Obama soes not understand that as soon as the most moral people do not have the biggest weapons, the evil will prey upon the innocent.

that's the problem w/ so many libs. they still think all our rights will exist once we can not longer protect them. i tell my friends all the time the constitution is just a piece of paper.

272 BignJames  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:18:07pm

re: #228 DesertSage

Skeletor is an idiot.

It's the first thing listed on his resume.

273 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:18:15pm
274 stuiec  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:18:24pm

re: #229 livefreeor die

I don't like his politics but I am very sad for him and his family. My father-in-law had kidney cancer that spread to his brain. He had a few rounds of intensive radiation treatment that would get rid of a tumor but in a few months there would be a new one. Finally, it seemed that so many threads in his brain had been cut that the whole system fell apart. I wouldn't wish this on anyone.

If any family can deal with an eventuality like this one, it's the Kennedys. In the context of how many of their number have died way too young, the loss of a member at age 76-plus, as saddening and painful as it is, has to be a lot easier to accept than the deaths of the other family members in their youthful prime.

If Ted Kennedy isn't able to recover from this illness, I hope his final days are comfortable.

275 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:18:58pm

re: #266 savage_nation
Our local am station dumped Savage, kept Medved. But since I don't work nights anymore, don't hear it anyway.

276 UncleSam  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:19:02pm

re: #266 savage_nation

I'm totally enjoying it

To each his own.

277 faraway  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:19:03pm

I want to know how much of Obama's $31 million in April came from illegal campaign donations?

Any donation over the internet under $200 does NOT require a name attached.

What prevents any organized group in the US (or group outide the US, or another country) from blasting Obama with cash over the internet?

This is the big scandal. Who will uncover it?

278 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:19:06pm

re: #257 Kosh's Shadow

He's the scariest political proposition to be thrust under the noses of the American people for a long time.

Right from the start I wondered who was behind the very coordinated media campaign, everything from bumper stickers to books, which seemed to appear in great quantity and in an instant;

because Obama himself sure didn't seem smart enough to have made that happen.

279 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:19:07pm

re: #231 savage_nation

wow, the Dead Kennedys on Savage!

Disgusting!

280 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:19:08pm

re: #259 pingjockey

Hey goddess, how goes the battle to enlighten young minds?

Well, at least one of my classes did very well on the last Romeo and Juliet quiz. It was a list of descriptions, and they had to write the name of the character--and spelling counted.

Now if the students can eke through their final on Friday...

281 mikeinmd  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:19:41pm
282 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:19:41pm
283 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:20:16pm

re: #277 faraway

I want to know how much of Obama's $31 million in April came from illegal campaign donations?

Any donation over the internet under $200 does NOT require a name attached.

What prevents any organized group in the US (or group outide the US, or another country) from blasting Obama with cash over the internet?

This is the big scandal. Who will uncover it?

I want to know how much of that money came from countries like Iran and Cuba, both of which are listed as locations on his donation form.

284 VegasRick  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:20:21pm

re: #258 Truck Monkey

I've seen the video. These two go back 40 plus years and his emotions are real and raw. Don't like either of their politics but there is something very sad about seeing an old friend pay tribute to his comrade.

Umm, Truck, Senator Kennedy did not die. I know he is seriuosly ill but I am sure he will fight like hell to survive. This guy is crying and saying how much he is going to miss Senator Kennedy. I think this is a little premature and Senator Byrd should be praying (as I am) for his recovery not crying about how much he will miss him.

285 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:20:39pm
286 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:20:40pm

re: #266 savage_nation

I don't like to hear him much anymore

287 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:20:50pm

re: #280 goddessoftheclassroom
Just remember, you are making a difference!

288 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:21:26pm

re: #262 Dan G.

I'm curious about when "liberal" became synonymous with "leftist"... There is nothing freedom loving about a leftist.

Every since the 60's generation came of age IMHO. (Broad stroke)

289 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:21:56pm
290 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:22:10pm

re: #287 pingjockey

That is very kind of you.

I'm really going to miss these kids.

291 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:22:18pm
292 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:22:23pm

re: #289 taxfreekiller

I'll take her over him

293 Ackomanyuki  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:22:46pm

"Power to the People...... Power to the People Right On"

294 Dr. Shalit  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:22:49pm

Leemesee Now -

In this corner we have HILLARY a/k/a "EVITA"

In the Opposite Corner, we have OBAMA a/k/a "The Manchurian Candidate"

'Ya pays your money and takes your choice. That is all.

-S-

295 nyc redneck  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:23:00pm

re: #282 savage_nation

My dad had the same thing Ted has. It wont be pretty at all, sorry to say....

my dad did too. it was devastating. i pray for him and his family.
when this first happened, i thought it was an alcoholic related seizure. it's sad, this is a terrible diagnosis.

296 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:23:05pm

To the house to feed my kids all they want to eat,

BBL

297 offendi  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:23:24pm

Let's put it this way, all the dem super delegates that are supporting Obama this year better find something like the witness protection program when Hills is the candidate in 2012.

Bill Richardson will probably need a body guard and a food taster.

298 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:23:32pm
299 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:23:33pm

re: #291 savage_nation

Sometimes i get freaking enraged at him, believe it, but hes a lot more entertaining than Limbaugh. And Rush used to be a riot.

Rush needed to tone it down. Media Matters et al. Savage cares not.

300 Alouette  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:23:34pm

re: #220 Kosh's Shadow

That's not a poodle; looks more like a bulldog.

Who cares? This is a giant papier-mache puppet that's actually funny, not creepy!

301 Lively  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:23:43pm

re: #217 LeftJustAintRight

Florida votes should not count
That is two election cycles that they screwed up
Two strikes rule should apply
Take away their ballots till they learn to do it right

LOL!

/I'm from FL

302 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:23:53pm

re: #265 NoSubmission

His wife, her upper lip tight as a piano wire, glares from across the table. Obama, eyes down [as always], 'Kentucky must be racist! Get Rev. Wright on the phone. '

And then, he and the Irrev. have a few refrains of "G-d DAMN Kentucky". Barry gets up, invigorated, ready to fight.

303 nyc redneck  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:24:03pm

re: #285 ploome hineni

.......I guess Michelle can go back to being ashamed of America again

she and her soul-mate the rev Wright

/spit

uh oh, you better get your typing skills up to par. lol

304 onepistoffyid  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:24:07pm

re: #36 Charles

I never thought I'd say it, but I've actually gained some respect for her in this campaign.

Not a lot. But some.

She's terrible until you look at the (democratic) alternative.

305 Dan G.  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:24:09pm

re: #288 jcm

Every since the 60's generation came of age IMHO. (Broad stroke)

I thought that Limbaugh may've been partially responsible via his (I think) " 'Left leaning' Liberal" statement. Others (lazy/ignorant) just truncated it to liberal... Damned shame to let a good word go to waste... seems down right Orwellian to call a dictator worshiping thug (i.e. leftist) a "freedom lover"...

306 EE  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:24:18pm

re: #277 faraway

I want to know how much of Obama's $31 million in April came from illegal campaign donations?

Any donation over the internet under $200 does NOT require a name attached.

What prevents any organized group in the US (or group outide the US, or another country) from blasting Obama with cash over the internet?

This is the big scandal. Who will uncover it?

And how much of it came from overseas sources? If a contribution is under $200, there is no public disclosure. What stops a foreign source from breaking up a contribution into a very large number of $200 contributions? Obama is perceived by our enemies as someone who will probably be a wimp as president, and who will pursue a super-wimpish foreign policy. Even the genocidal terror gang Hamas loves him, and has said so unashamedly. And there are phone banks set up in Hamastan to try to rally support (financial support?) for him.

Why is it that the media don't seem to even care? Can it be because they are in the tank for Obama?

307 Truck Monkey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:24:38pm

re: #284 VegasRick

Umm, Truck, Senator Kennedy did not die. I know he is seriuosly ill but I am sure he will fight like hell to survive. This guy is crying and saying how much he is going to miss Senator Kennedy. I think this is a little premature and Senator Byrd should be praying (as I am) for his recovery not crying about how much he will miss him.

I was going to mention that it is very likely that Senator Byrd is feeling his own mortality at this point as well, and that made his senate speech even more touching. I'll never forget at my grandathers funeral all the old men crying like I'd never seen old men cry before. I came to the realization that they were probably crying more for themselves than for my grandfather.

308 nyc redneck  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:24:50pm

re: #298 savage_nation

I'm sorry about your father

and i'm sorry abt. what you went thru w/ your dad's illness.

309 NoSubmission  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:24:56pm

I forget who posted this earlier in the spin-off links, but it is great.
Blog Radio-
John Bolton on Hugh Hewitt Townhall: "We have yet to plumb the depths of Obama's ignorance."

Really worth a listen.

310 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:25:17pm
311 Grammy Cracker  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:25:25pm

Evening Goddess, and all lesser-mortal Lizards! Do we have any good news today?

312 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:25:41pm

re: #278 Ojoe

He's the scariest political proposition to be thrust under the noses of the American people for a long time.

Right from the start I wondered who was behind the very coordinated media campaign, everything from bumper stickers to books, which seemed to appear in great quantity and in an instant;

because Obama himself sure didn't seem smart enough to have made that happen.

That is the question. The fate of the free world hangs in the balance.

313 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:25:43pm

re: #290 goddessoftheclassroom
Are you talking about this class or are you retiring from teaching?

314 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:26:22pm
315 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:26:37pm
316 Dan G.  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:26:44pm

Has anyone found, or have on hand, a picture of Obama looking distraught with his head down (preferable viewed from the side). I want to prepair an "EPIC FAIL" poster just in case...

317 Grammy Cracker  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:26:45pm

re: #255 song_and_dance_man

OK everyone quiet - American Idol is on.

What's 'American Idol'? Obamanations latest campaign rally?

/

318 VegasRick  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:26:48pm

re: #307 Truck Monkey

I was going to mention that it is very likely that Senator Byrd is feeling his own mortality at this point as well, and that made his senate speech even more touching. I'll never forget at my grandathers funeral all the old men crying like I'd never seen old men cry before. I came to the realization that they were probably crying more for themselves than for my grandfather.

I think you just hit the nail with a sledge hammer.

319 sngnsgt  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:26:49pm

re: #264 Racer X

I laughed at that comment. Then I winced.

Sorry for the bad mental picture.

320 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:26:50pm

re: #305 Dan G.

I thought that Limbaugh may've been partially responsible via his (I think) " 'Left leaning' Liberal" statement. Others (lazy/ignorant) just truncated it to liberal... Damned shame to let a good word go to waste... seems down right Orwellian to call a dictator worshiping thug (i.e. leftist) a "freedom lover"...

I consider myself a "classical liberal" now days its more "conservative / libertarian." The drift in language has been going on for a long time.

321 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:28:07pm
322 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:28:18pm

re: #306 EE

And how much of it came from overseas sources? If a contribution is under $200, there is no public disclosure. What stops a foreign source from breaking up a contribution into a very large number of $200 contributions? Obama is perceived by our enemies as someone who will probably be a wimp as president, and who will pursue a super-wimpish foreign policy. Even the genocidal terror gang Hamas loves him, and has said so unashamedly. And there are phone banks set up in Hamastan to try to rally support (financial support?) for him.

Why is it that the media don't seem to even care? Can it be because they are in the tank for Obama?

A good argument FOR Public Financing of elections.

323 jamgarr  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:28:18pm

Yet another lightning bolt in the perfect storm of the Democrat primary.

324 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:28:27pm

re: #313 pingjockey

Are you talking about this class or are you retiring from teaching?

Oh, the class. I'm going to be teaching for AT LEAST another 23 years! Even if I won the lottery, I would still teach. I can't imagine living without it.

325 Sifty  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:29:00pm

To Obama I say, " Ha ha".Nelson style.

326 EE  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:29:05pm

re: #283 galloping granny

I want to know how much of that money came from countries like Iran and Cuba, both of which are listed as locations on his donation form.

Yes!

In the age of expensive TV ads, money talks. And if the money came from enemy states, it's enemy states that are the biggest force in choosing our president.

It's very sad, and there needs to be disclosure of foreign contributions to the campaigns. Better yet, foreign contributions should be outlawed.

327 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:29:14pm
328 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:29:20pm

re: #321 savage_nation

Classical liberals are worse to the libs of today than Republicans.

BAWHAHAHAHA!
I'm clingy too!
BAWHAHAHAHA!

329 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:29:46pm

The leftists co-opted liberal. They don't like being called leftists. Liberal sounds much better. But what they do is anything but the classic definition of liberal.

330 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:29:55pm

re: #324 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, the class. I'm going to be teaching for AT LEAST another 23 years! Even if I won the lottery, I would still teach. I can't imagine living without it.

God Bless you.
We need more like you!

331 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:30:06pm
332 Dr. Shalit  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:30:14pm

re: #306 EE

"EE" -

REAL SIMPLE - and Obama's people should be applauded for finding the Loophole. Contributions below $200/donor are "petty cash" under existing law. You can get them from any/one/where and they do NOT have to be reported as to source. The First Amendment LIVES, if all 'y'all know how to package it right. That is all.

-S-

333 Truck Monkey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:30:41pm

re: #324 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, the class. I'm going to be teaching for AT LEAST another 23 years! Even if I won the lottery, I would still teach. I can't imagine living without it.

You truly are a Goddess. If I won the lottery I would be mowing sports fields for free ala Forest Gump.

334 Guy_Philly  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:30:45pm

re: #253 UncleSam

Yeah, I heard that and thought it was in extremely poor taste.
And he beat the bit into the ground, playing it over and over.
Had to switch stations.
He's gotten almost unbearable lately, like he just plain hates everything...

not true ... he loves himself!

335 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:30:48pm

re: #316 Dan G.

Has anyone found, or have on hand, a picture of Obama looking distraught with his head down (preferable viewed from the side). I want to prepair an "EPIC FAIL" poster just in case...

I doubt you'll need it till November 4th. But, you will need it.

336 The Shadow Do  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:30:53pm

re: #307 Truck Monkey

I was going to mention that it is very likely that Senator Byrd is feeling his own mortality at this point as well, and that made his senate speech even more touching. I'll never forget at my grandathers funeral all the old men crying like I'd never seen old men cry before. I came to the realization that they were probably crying more for themselves than for my grandfather.


I'll submit that the tears were for the passing of their generation and less so about themselves as individuals. It is very sad to see the death of ones confreres.

337 Shay4l  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:31:18pm

re: #318 VegasRick

I think you just hit the nail with a sledge hammer.

To be fair, the oldest people there may have known them the longest and most intimately, and missed him more than grandkids looking for an inheritance.

338 stuiec  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:31:18pm

re: #238 galloping granny

There is a lot of truth in that sexism charge. I wouldn't call that the only reason, but a substantial one. And it is not an irrational belief, though it might seem that way to you if you are male.

The irrationality doesn't lie in the belief that sexism exists -- it does, and there are plenty of women as well as men who think Hillary's gender is a disqualification for the office of the Presidency. But I think a lot more folks on both ends of the political spectrum believe that a qualified woman is a better choice for President than an unqualified man. Certainly in my view, Margaret Thatcher put to rest any doubts that a woman could be an effective leader of a First World nation in times of geopolitical and domestic turmoil.

No, the irrationality comes from the notion that Hillary Clinton is, in fact, that qualified woman candidate, all evidence to the contrary notwithstanding. I once wrote an op-ed for the S.F. Examiner back around 1994 that punctured the myth of Hillary Clinton as a "strong woman." Since then, she has in fact won a high political office, something she'd not done by 1994, but hasn't proven herself to be a leader in the Senate, and has only distinguished herself as a campaigner for the Presidency in her dogged tenacity. She doesn't have the executive experience or the legislative leadership record that we typically associate with readiness for the Presidency.

And another aspect of the irrationality of her supporters who blame ALL of her troubles on sexism is that they discount the irrationality of the support that flows to Obama due to his aura of magical Blackness, his stature as the trans-racial, post-racial candidate who will purge the United States of the original sin of slavery and racism. Given the prevalence of identity politics in the Democrat Party, the choice between the "duty" to support a female candidate and the "duty" to support a Black candidate necessarily requires that some voters will see the latter as a higher calling than the former.

I am all for that irationality on the part of Hillary's supporters. I hope it devolves into full-blown paranoia, and that they not only refuse to vote for Obama but actively work against his election.

339 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:31:35pm

re: #324 goddessoftheclassroom
Good for you. I taught for 3 years. Navy electronics/sonar. It was fun. Couldn't go teach when I got out. Don't have that little itty bit of paper that says Bachelors Degree.

340 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:31:39pm

Looks like the popular vote spread (with FLA included) is now down to 60,000 votes.

That is a small number - a rounding error.

We'll see what Oregon releases. Puerto Rico had 2 Million voters in its last election for Governor. They have an open primary.

How do you say "Operation Chaos" in Spanish?

341 VegasRick  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:31:40pm

re: #331 savage_nation

Forgot your Cling Free sheets? hahha

I tried putting one of those in each of my pockets but I still love my guns and my God (not in that order, BTW)

342 Sifty  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:31:48pm

re: #329 pingjockey

I'm in favor of just calling them all "commie bastards". It includes so many different species of moonbat and has a nice ring to it.

343 Dan G.  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:31:48pm

re: #329 pingjockey

The leftists co-opted liberal. They don't like being called leftists. Liberal sounds much better. But what they do is anything but the classic definition of liberal.

Just thinking that from now on I'm going to call 'em as I see 'em. Leftists will not be called liberal by me. I'm sure a thief would like to be called a resource acquisition agent...

344 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:31:52pm
345 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:32:05pm

re: #331 savage_nation

Forgot your Cling Free sheets? hahha

Forget!? They're a conspiracy to make us less clingy and start having a taste for kool-aid.

346 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:32:18pm

re: #327 savage_nation

You're doing God's work

You know, I really thing I'm where I'm meant to me. Even if they never remember a thing I taught them, they know I loved them and was really rooting for them to succeed...

...even when I call them boneheads for forgetting their homework, correct their grammar, make them say, "May I please..." and skewer them with my Goddess Glare and say, :Gum. Trash. Now."

347 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:32:43pm
348 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:33:14pm

re: #342 Sifty
Yep, or sonsabitches.

349 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:33:49pm

re: #339 pingjockey

Good for you. I taught for 3 years. Navy electronics/sonar. It was fun. Couldn't go teach when I got out. Don't have that little itty bit of paper that says Bachelors Degree.

I trust more folks with life experience and a desire to teach, than what Dept. of Ed turns out these days.

350 Sifty  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:33:58pm

re: #345 jcm

Forget!? They're a conspiracy to make us less clingy and start having a taste for kool-aid.

BIG FABRIC SOFTENER IS RIPPING US OFF

351 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:34:07pm
352 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:34:09pm

re: #343 Dan G.
Hahaha! That could be a name for congress.

353 sparrowlake  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:34:19pm

re: #324 goddessoftheclassroom

Even if I won the lottery, I would still teach.

Decisions, decisions, decisions. LOL.

354 Grammy Cracker  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:34:22pm

re: #348 pingjockey

Yep, or sonsabitches.

Hey! For all you know, their mommas might have been very nice ladies!

355 Dr. Shalit  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:34:33pm

re: #340 karmic_inquisitor

"K-I" -

OPERACION CAOS!

-S-

356 offendi  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:34:48pm

Will conspiracy-minded people think Jeremiah can afford a 20 million dollar house now? Wrightwater?

357 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:35:19pm

BREAKING

Jummy Carter's WH Chief of Staff, Hamilton Jordan, has passed away.

Just saw it on Fox.

358 joecitizen  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:35:26pm

RIP Hamilton Jordan..

359 Shay4l  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:35:42pm

re: #326 EE

Yes!

In the age of expensive TV ads, money talks. And if the money came from enemy states, it's enemy states that are the biggest force in choosing our president.

It's very sad, and there needs to be disclosure of foreign contributions to the campaigns. Better yet, foreign contributions should be outlawed.


I agree foreign money should be outlawed. Wealthy foriegners and even nations could and probably do, through the internet, pour untold millions into the candidates coffers that they believe will be the worst for America.

That reminds me! All those articles earlier this year mentioning the stunning amount of money Osama was pulling in compared to Clinton...where was it all coming from?

360 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:35:57pm

re: #339 pingjockey

Good for you. I taught for 3 years. Navy electronics/sonar. It was fun. Couldn't go teach when I got out. Don't have that little itty bit of paper that says Bachelors Degree.

Do you have any desire to go back and get your degree? Our church secretary, late 40s, is finishing her teaching degree next spring.

361 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:36:05pm
362 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:36:14pm

re: #349 jcm
They have a troops to teachers program but you have to have your degree first. Since I was on a ship for most of my 20 years the only college I got was some math and english courses here and there. If you notice the english didn't take real well!

363 Truck Monkey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:36:24pm

re: #337 Shay4l

To be fair, the oldest people there may have known them the longest and most intimately, and missed him more than grandkids looking for an inheritance.

If only there were an inheritance to get. My grandfather was "rich" in many ways but not in a financial sense. My grandfathers greatest gift to me was to be an example of what a real man is.

364 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:36:25pm
365 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:37:11pm
366 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:37:16pm

re: #359 Shay4l

That reminds me! All those articles earlier this year mentioning the stunning amount of money Osama was pulling in compared to Clinton...where was it all coming from?

What kind of racists question is that?
/

367 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:37:28pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

OT: Flying fish off the coast of Japan sets new record flight time of 45 seconds
Yes, that's a fish.

Couple million years it'll be a bird!

Evolution!

*ducks and runs*

368 Yankee Division Son  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:37:41pm

Wow...freak'in blowout.. was seems to me way larger that polling suggested... ?

369 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:37:44pm

re: #354 Grammy Cracker
Favorite saying of my great uncle. Everbody who pissed him off, male, female, dog, cat etc...were sonsabitches. Gender and species neutral.

370 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:38:04pm

re: #281 mikeinmd

2008 Mile High Club

It's just not right to defame a holy relic like that...

371 stymie  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:38:06pm

re: #336 The Shadow Do

The senile, old, crank should have retired twenty years ago. The old Grand Kleagle and his Massachusetts buddy have done untold damage to our country. To think that these two corrupt dinosaurs control billions of dollars of our money and make laws that affect us all, should sent a chill up our spines, or a tingle down our legs. BTW, on the Ted Kennedy diagnosis-Mary Jo Kopechne was unavailable for comment.

372 UncleSam  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:38:13pm

re: #334 Guy_Philly

not true ... he loves himself!

You've got that straight!

373 haakondahl  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:38:30pm

re: #336 The Shadow Do

I'll submit that the tears were for the passing of their generation and less so about themselves as individuals. It is very sad to see the death of ones confreres.

Agreed. Not that their sorrows had turned inward, but outward--every thing of beauty they had known was gone or going. The whole world their generation fought and died for, denigrated and squandered.

I would cry, too.

374 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:38:43pm
375 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:38:54pm

re: #360 goddessoftheclassroom
I'd love to, but I have a 16, 14, and 8 yr old to get through school first!

376 stuiec  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:39:11pm

re: #295 nyc redneck

my dad did too. it was devastating. i pray for him and his family.
when this first happened, i thought it was an alcoholic related seizure. it's sad, this is a terrible diagnosis.

I'm sorry to hear it. My Dad died peacefully, though (in my opinion) too young at age 71.

377 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:39:14pm

re: #295 nyc redneck

my dad did too. it was devastating. i pray for him and his family.
when this first happened, i thought it was an alcoholic related seizure. it's sad, this is a terrible diagnosis.

Nope. He's a drinker and that is clear. But he is a functional drinker. What you would expect booze to do to him is the arterial and liver stuff.

378 NoSubmission  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:39:23pm

re: #344 buzzsawmonkey
That's funny. Although I doubt it will get much play, because Bolton nails it.

379 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:39:25pm

re: #362 pingjockey

They have a troops to teachers program but you have to have your degree first. Since I was on a ship for most of my 20 years the only college I got was some math and english courses here and there. If you notice the english didn't take real well!

But you could do a bang up math and electronics class.

380 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:39:28pm
381 Dr. Shalit  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:39:34pm

re: #358 joecitizen

RIP Hamilton Jordan..

"joe-c"

AMEN - Ham was a good and decent human being. As time went on, we disagreed more and more on Politics. Politics IS important - AND - not everything. RIP Ham.

-S-

382 Dan G.  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:39:38pm

re: #368 Yankee Division Son

{crossing fingers} Perhaps this is a trend that will carry into Oregon...

383 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:39:41pm
384 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:39:57pm

re: #371 stymie
Ouch!

385 haakondahl  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:40:04pm

re: #238 galloping granny

There is a lot of truth in that sexism charge. I wouldn't call that the only reason, but a substantial one. And it is not an irrational belief, though it might seem that way to you if you are male.

Ugh.

386 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:40:32pm

re: #362 pingjockey

They have a troops to teachers program but you have to have your degree first. Since I was on a ship for most of my 20 years the only college I got was some math and english courses here and there. If you notice the english didn't take real well!

You didn't have the University of Maryland degrees available to you?

387 faraway  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:40:40pm

re: #36 Charles

I never thought I'd say it, but I've actually gained some respect for her in this campaign.

Not a lot. But some.

Must.
Stop.
Operation.
Chaos.

Have.
Stockholm.
Syndrome.

388 stuiec  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:40:42pm

re: #282 savage_nation

My dad had the same thing Ted has. It wont be pretty at all, sorry to say....

I'm sorry to hear of your Dad's passing.

389 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:41:19pm

re: #379 jcm
I'd love to. But, it is not gonna happen. Have to take care of my 3 first.

390 sparrowlake  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:41:43pm

re: #365 savage_nation

I'd like to teach geography and history. Driver ed on the side.

History and geography were 2 of my favorite subjects.
Also biology.

391 acapesket123  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:41:53pm

re: #218 galloping granny

I hate to disagree with you, but Ted is so devoted to his socialsim (Much like Hillary) that he will allow himself to be dragged out and embarassed for Obama.

He never won, couldn't.

This is his only chance for a legacy and I'll be shocked if the Kennedy's don't come out "en masse" to propel Barack over the finish line as a tribute to Ted.

Mark my word, I have lived under his Ugly thumb most of my life.

I do pray for his soul , hope he meets his maker with contrition in his heart.

392 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:41:57pm
393 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:42:03pm

re: #31 ModerateWolverine

The democrats are going to nominate the person that's not the best candidate they have to offer. Fools.

They've been fools before. Unfortunately, so has the country.

394 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:42:05pm

re: #389 pingjockey

I'd love to. But, it is not gonna happen. Have to take care of my 3 first.

I hear you there! (3 too)

395 Spiny Norman  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:42:07pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

OT: Flying fish off the coast of Japan sets new record flight time of 45 seconds
Yes, that's a fish.

For some reason, I was expecting a pelican to swoop down and grab it at the end.

396 jamgarr  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:42:09pm

Pronounced Hamilton Jerden

397 stuiec  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:42:19pm

re: #297 offendi

Let's put it this way, all the dem super delegates that are supporting Obama this year better find something like the witness protection program when Hills is the candidate in 2012.

Bill Richardson will probably need a body guard and a food taster.

All too true. When you plot against the King and Queen, you have to follow through and make sure they are well and truly deposed -- otherwise, your own life is forfeit.

398 Dr. Shalit  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:42:53pm

re: #380 song_and_dance_man

"sadm" -

Re: Operation Chaos - see: my # 355 - it is a "cognate" for all intents and purposes - "OPERACION CAOS."

-S-

399 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:43:03pm
400 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:43:13pm

re: #386 galloping granny
What were or are those? The aircraft carriers will get professors on board to teach classes but my ship only had a crew of 300. Did get to take 2 algebra classes and a really fun physics class.

401 joecitizen  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:43:22pm

re: #317 Grammy Cracker

What's 'American Idol'? Obamanations latest campaign rally?

/


no,just the further declining of America's musical taste..spithawkspit

402 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:43:22pm

re: #367 jcm

I thought about that watching the video. I wonder if there's an evolutionary connection between fish and birds of if the flying fish is a dead end.

403 haakondahl  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:43:51pm

re: #397 stuiec

All too true. When you plot against the King and Queen, you have to follow through and make sure they are well and truly deposed -- otherwise, your own life is forfeit.

Especially when you plotted with the King against the Queen, and with the Queen against the King.

404 DesertSage  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:44:08pm

Flying fish huh?

Wow, what will God think of next?

405 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:44:08pm

re: #402 Killgore Trout

I thought about that watching the video. I wonder if there's an evolutionary connection between fish and birds of if the flying fish is a dead end.

Have faith!

406 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:44:24pm

re: #391 acapesket123

I hate to disagree with you, but Ted is so devoted to his socialsim (Much like Hillary) that he will allow himself to be dragged out and embarassed for Obama.

He never won, couldn't.

This is his only chance for a legacy and I'll be shocked if the Kennedy's don't come out "en masse" to propel Barack over the finish line as a tribute to Ted.

Mark my word, I have lived under his Ugly thumb most of my life.

I do pray for his soul , hope he meets his maker with contrition in his heart.

I agree with you about Ted being dragged out - except that I suspect that very shortly he will be in no medical condition to do that.

407 nyc redneck  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:44:54pm

re: #376 stuiec

I'm sorry to hear it. My Dad died peacefully, though (in my opinion) too young at age 71.

yes, it is difficult beyond words to lose a parent. and i'm sure kennedy is larger than life to his kids.

408 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:45:03pm

re: #400 pingjockey

What were or are those? The aircraft carriers will get professors on board to teach classes but my ship only had a crew of 300. Did get to take 2 algebra classes and a really fun physics class.

Nowadays, there are online courses. I teach some of those, and I've had several military people in them.
I recently had a student in Iraq; she did quite well.
I haven't had anyone on board a ship, though

409 Dr. Shalit  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:45:13pm

re: #397 stuiec

stuiec-

See: "VENEZUELA 2002!" "Thanx."

-S-

410 faraway  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:45:21pm

$100 million went to Obama (thru March) in under $200 packets.

$100 MILLION. see FEC

Where did this come from?

Does anyone care?

411 Spiny Norman  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:45:31pm

re: #402 Killgore Trout

I thought about that watching the video. I wonder if there's an evolutionary connection between fish and birds of if the flying fish is a dead end.

I wouldn't call it an evolutionary "dead end", but an evolutionary tangent. Who knows where it could lead.

412 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:45:33pm

So I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the Obama war room tonight.

How do you get your ass kicked and lose by 37 percentage points in a key swing state and then call hold a victory rally?

413 Dan G.  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:45:38pm

re: #402 Killgore Trout

Based on the mechanics of the flying fishes' flight and that of birds, I believe that the fish is in another clade (not necessarily a dead end).

414 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:45:52pm

re: #399 savage_nation Me too. When I first went in. Mom put up a world map and when they'd get a letter telling them where I was they'd mark it. I think my younger brothers made out like bandits for social studies and geography classes because of the stuff I's send home!

415 haakondahl  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:45:52pm

re: #402 Killgore Trout

I thought about that watching the video. I wonder if there's an evolutionary connection between fish and birds of if the flying fish is a dead end.

There is an evolutionary connection between fish and birds, but it passes through reptiles. Flying fish are a later branch. No law against hitting the right answer twice.

416 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:45:54pm

re: #400 pingjockey

What were or are those? The aircraft carriers will get professors on board to teach classes but my ship only had a crew of 300. Did get to take 2 algebra classes and a really fun physics class.

University of Maryland has had a degree program specifically for the military for decades. Correspondence school.

417 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:47:22pm
418 antishock8  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:47:38pm

The Democrats are self-destructive. She's a much more viable national candidate than Obama. They'll play the race card through and after the elections, but the bottom line is Obama stinks. Unless he's prepped for an interview, or is reading from a teleprompter he's been exposed as a rube. Granted, contrasting him against George Bush makes him seem positively statesmanly, but I think we're past electing newcomers to the most powerful job on Earth...

...

... I hope. Go McCain, you're the best out of the three.

419 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:47:38pm
420 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:47:45pm

re: #410 faraway

$100 million went to Obama (thru March) in under $200 packets.

$100 MILLION. see FEC

Where did this come from?

Does anyone care?

I would bet my last dime that virtually all of that came from overseas from some of those countries listed on his donation form - Iran, Cuba, etc. Just how many US citizens do you think there are currently in Cuba with money to donate to Obama?

421 itellu3times  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:47:48pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

OT: Flying fish off the coast of Japan sets new record flight time of 45 seconds
Yes, that's a fish.

So, is that supposed to be like Hillary keeping her campaign flying for 45 more seconds, by slapping her tail in the water periodically?

422 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:47:49pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

OT: Flying fish off the coast of Japan sets new record flight time of 45 seconds
Yes, that's a fish.

That must have been one scary shark...

423 Grammy Cracker  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:48:05pm

re: #401 joecitizen

no,just the further declining of America's musical taste..spithawkspit

That would be why I've never seen it....

I grew up with fabulous music and hideous clothes....ah, the good ol' days! LOL

424 maddogg  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:48:41pm

UPDATE at 5/20/08 5:58:19 pm:

Now at 66% Clinton, 30% Obama.

Man, thats a right proper ass whuppin'.

425 Spiny Norman  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:48:59pm

re: #415 haakondahl

There is an evolutionary connection between fish and birds, but it passes through reptiles. Flying fish are a later branch. No law against hitting the right answer twice.

There are flying lizards, too. Gliding, actually (which is what the flying fish does).

426 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:49:22pm

re: #408 Kosh's Shadow
The online stuff is getting going. When I got out in 1997 we could send an e-mail of 200 characters a day. They'd compress it and send it via satellite back to the states then on to the addressees. So I figure 10 years on the tech should be much better. However, the bandwidth for the satellites is very limited for non-military uses. Pentagon satellites that is.

427 Dan G.  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:49:37pm

re: #425 Spiny Norman

There are flying lizards, too. Gliding, actually (which is what the flying fish does).

... and squirrels.

428 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:49:45pm
429 Bloodnok  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:49:54pm

re: #256 joecitizen

anyone else having problems with the site?Seems when I hit the quote button or try to ding up it takes me back to the front page,and several times when that has happened I hit the last comment on this thread and it took me to the Teddy thread instead.Signed,a concerned Lizard.

Come to think of it I have been redirected to odd places a couple of times while clicking over to a bookmarked site. I think I was taken to the search page once. Hasn't happened in a few hours, though.

430 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:50:03pm
431 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:50:14pm

re: #416 galloping granny
Well crap. Never new about those!

432 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:50:18pm

re: #412 loppyd

So I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the Obama war room tonight.

How do you get your ass kicked and lose by 37 percentage points in a key swing state and then call hold a victory rally?

I hear you there. Though I see he isn't declaring victory tonight after all. Matter of fact, it is going for 10 pm and we have yet to hear a single word from Obama. I wonder how late they start to party in Iowa.

And is it just me, or is it kind of a slap in the face to go to Iowa tonight rather than partying with the Oregon folks? Isn't the after-party/victory celebration part of the "pay" for all those volunteers/

433 nyc redneck  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:50:54pm

re: #412 loppyd

So I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the Obama war room tonight.

How do you get your ass kicked and lose by 37 percentage points in a key swing state and then call hold a victory rally?

i don't think he's aware that alot of clingy, bible thumping, gun toting hicks see thru him now. he will try to ignore a lot of people tonight.

434 Yankee Division Son  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:51:08pm

re: #382 Dan G.

{crossing fingers} Perhaps this is a trend that will carry into Oregon...

excactly what I was thinking.. the margin of error almost puts Oregon 'in play'.. as they say...

/gotta make popcorn!

435 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:51:44pm
436 Pshawalaw  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:52:01pm

re: #29 BignJames

They keep talking about what they are going to do with Fla. & Mich. if they let those votes count, won't that put them in no position to tell states when to hold their primaries (in years to come), after all, this year would prove that the Party's threats have no bite, right?

437 Dr. Shalit  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:52:11pm

re: #410 faraway

faraway -

Leagally, THEY FOUND THE LOOPHOLE - Give Them Credit. As to "WHERE" it came from - I AM NOT ALLOWED TO CARE - they did it - NICE and LEGAL.

-S-

438 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:52:12pm

We'd find flying fish on the deck of the ship. They would come out of the water and...Bam!

439 haakondahl  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:52:17pm

re: #410 faraway

$100 million went to Obama (thru March) in under $200 packets.

$100 MILLION. see FEC

Where did this come from?

Does anyone care?

Only 2 million came in from overseas, and it all seems to have name, location, and occupation attached. Lots of State Department types and EFL teachers. Unfortunately, a lot of military as well.

440 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:52:20pm

re: #435 savage_nation

when do the Oregon polls close?

It's mostly mail in but I think 11:00PM EST

441 Grammy Cracker  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:52:25pm

re: #435 savage_nation

when do the Oregon polls close?

Should be in about an hour. Most polls close at 8:00 p.m. local time, I think.

442 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:52:48pm

re: #435 savage_nation
No polls. All mail in.

443 bellamags  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:53:02pm

re: #397 stuiec

444 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:53:13pm

re: #442 pingjockey

No polls. All mail in.

Yep!

445 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:53:16pm

re: #442 pingjockey

No polls. All mail in.

I think they have mail drop offs?

446 haakondahl  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:53:27pm

re: #407 nyc redneck

yes, it is difficult beyond words to lose a parent. and i'm sure kennedy is larger than life to his kids.

I will sidestep the obvious, and simply agree.

447 stuiec  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:53:34pm

re: #364 song_and_dance_man

Why, thank you!

448 bellamags  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:53:58pm

whoops sorry.

449 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:54:07pm

Waaaah! Waaaah! They're picking on Michelle. Tough shit. You are under the biggest spotlight in the world now, deal with it.

450 Dan G.  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:54:09pm

re: #436 Pshawalaw

If they don't put BOTH into play, I could bode terribly for the Dems in the general election... both resentment in FL and MI and McCain can harp on it relentlessly to demonstrate that the Dems have a severe case of hypocrisy.

451 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:54:17pm

re: #436 Pshawalaw

They keep talking about what they are going to do with Fla. & Mich. if they let those votes count, won't that put them in no position to tell states when to hold their primaries (in years to come), after all, this year would prove that the Party's threats have no bite, right?

I question that they have ANY right to tell the states when to hold the primaries. All of the states hold both the Dem and the Republican primary on the same day - at state tax payer expense.

452 haakondahl  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:54:41pm

re: #425 Spiny Norman

There are flying lizards, too. Gliding, actually (which is what the flying fish does).

Not true. the Flying fish flaps its fins and flies. It generates propulsion and lift while airborne. True flight. I agree with you about the flying lizards, however.

453 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:54:48pm
454 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:55:00pm
455 maddogg  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:55:07pm

If the Obamanites keep it up, their campaign slogan is gonna be "taken our of context".

456 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:55:29pm
457 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:55:38pm

re: #455 maddogg

If the Obamanites keep it up, their campaign slogan is gonna be "taken our of context".

or something like that

458 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:55:50pm

re: #432 galloping granny

I hear you there. Though I see he isn't declaring victory tonight after all. Matter of fact, it is going for 10 pm and we have yet to hear a single word from Obama. I wonder how late they start to party in Iowa.

And is it just me, or is it kind of a slap in the face to go to Iowa tonight rather than partying with the Oregon folks? Isn't the after-party/victory celebration part of the "pay" for all those volunteers/

It isn't just you...

459 pingjockey  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:56:11pm

Damn this is entertaining. Donks eating each other. Cannabalism at its finest. Mwahahahaha!

460 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:56:23pm
461 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:57:25pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

OT: Flying fish off the coast of Japan sets new record flight time of 45 seconds
Yes, that's a fish.

If Disney had any brains, they'd use this as inspiration for a great kids movie about the fish that wanted to fly.

I don't hold much hope.

462 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:57:40pm

re: #460 savage_nation

Bury that psycho bitch from hell.

Just let her talk. let her do all the work.

463 bellamags  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:57:43pm

re: #449 pingjockey

I think Barack and Michelle have never been seriously criticized in their lives. Now they don't know how to handle the scrutiny. They need to get the *uck over it and act like a grown ups.

464 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:58:09pm

re: #451 galloping granny

I question that they have ANY right to tell the states when to hold the primaries. All of the states hold both the Dem and the Republican primary on the same day - at state tax payer expense.

They certainly can tell them the votes will not be counted if they don't follow rules. And that's what they did. They broke the rules.

Now give the votes to Hillary. Yeah!

465 haakondahl  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:58:15pm

re: #338 stuiec

The irrationality doesn't lie in the belief that sexism exists -- the irrationality comes from the notion that Hillary Clinton is, in fact, that qualified woman candidate, all evidence to the contrary notwithstanding.

Agreed. Good Post. Highly Recommended reading.

466 nyc redneck  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:58:20pm

re: #460 savage_nation

Bury that psycho bitch from hell.

LOL, you can really 'turn a phrase'.

467 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:59:03pm

re: #449 pingjockey

Waaaah! Waaaah! They're picking on Michelle. Tough shit. You are under the biggest spotlight in the world now, deal with it.

I think he was trying to lay down the law in case that Michelle hating on whitey tape really exists.

468 Dr. Shalit  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:59:38pm

Change? -

Where I live - CHANGE IS 4 QUARTERS FOR ONE DOLLAR. Much easier in the vending machines/washing machines.

-S-

469 uncleFuzzy  Tue, May 20, 2008 6:59:43pm

re: #39 calcajun

Actually, I would beg to differ. According to Michael Ramirez from IBDeditorials.com, water does not seen to faze Hillary.

(Since I can't link directly to it, please see the comic from May 12, 2008.)

470 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:00:16pm

re: #467 loppyd

I think he was trying to lay down the law in case that Michelle hating on whitey tape really exists.

Just get hold of her college room mate. Wow- bets there is gold in them ar hills!

471 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:00:58pm

re: #464 unrealizedviewpoint

They certainly can tell them the votes will not be counted if they don't follow rules. And that's what they did. They broke the rules.

Now give the votes to Hillary. Yeah!

That is my point. The "rules" should have nothing to do with the date the primaries are held. That is a state decision. Otherwise you get situations where the dems won't count Florida because they voted "early" and the Republicans won't count Florida either because they voted "late." This should be a state decision - period.

472 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:01:15pm
473 yochanan  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:01:44pm

re: #425 Spiny Norman

There are flying lizards, too. Gliding, actually (which is what the flying fish does).

including lizard mating season

[Link: www.ecologyasia.com...]

474 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:02:24pm
475 sparrowlake  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:02:54pm

re: #399 savage_nation

You sound wonderfully passionate about teaching.
Go for it!

476 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:03:14pm

re: #470 Nevergiveup

Just get hold of her college room mate. Wow- bets there is gold in them ar hills!

You mean the college where she felt so discriminated against? The one that was so mean they decided to give her a scholarship?

Has her senior thesis ever been released in full, BTW?

477 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:03:50pm

re: #425 Spiny Norman
I don't think they're gliding. Those wings are flapping like hell.

478 Pshawalaw  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:04:10pm

re: #451 galloping granny

I agree that it seems wrong for the party to control when the states hold primaries, but they do want that power, and it they renege on their threat to keep out any state that doesn't follow their schedule they lose the power to make those decisions, right?

479 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:04:10pm

David Axelrod spinning the Kentucky loss saying the electoral map has.....CHANGED.

480 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:04:21pm

re: #476 loppyd

You mean the college where she felt so discriminated against? The one that was so mean they decided to give her a scholarship?

Has her senior thesis ever been released in full, BTW?

Didn't she make some comment about how she felt so out of place on campus?

481 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:04:57pm

re: #471 galloping granny

That is my point. The "rules" should have nothing to do with the date the primaries are held. That is a state decision. Otherwise you get situations where the dems won't count Florida because they voted "early" and the Republicans won't count Florida either because they voted "late." This should be a state decision - period.

We certainly cannot attempt to find rational reasoning with regard to democratic primary rules. It'll only make your head hurt and fill your walls with holes.

482 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:04:57pm
483 Dan G.  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:05:30pm

re: #470 Nevergiveup

Just get hold of her college room mate. Wow- bets there is gold in them ar hills!

Does she have a graduate degree? If so, did she have to write a thesis? If so, any one looked for it or read it?

484 joecitizen  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:05:34pm

re: #423 Grammy Cracker

That would be why I've never seen it....

I grew up with fabulous music and hideous clothes....ah, the good ol' days! LOL

for you Grammy...yeah this is a repost but,what the hell..

485 haakondahl  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:05:44pm

re: #460 savage_nation

Bury that psycho bitch from hell.

Agreed. If she were not so out-in-front in her husband's campaign, then I would agree with him that attacks on her are off-limits. Until quite recently, Chelsea Clinton even after attaining the age of majority was kept out of the public eye, and for the most part, everybody did an admirable job of honoring that separation. So it's not as though we're off our beams here.
That thoroughly nasty, bitter, hateful, racist, Marxist Fascist woman is (I say) the connection between the Obama family and the Wright church. I suspect that for a long time, she has been reassuring her husband and her pastor that their respective views really do sync. I also suspect that the surprise was partly genuine on the parts of both Senator Obama and the Rev. Wright.
Oh sure, they basically knew each others' positions, but Michelle Obama was the one who knew how far each would go. She thought she could hold it all together, because she has no respect for America or Americans. She knows that the country is evil, that the people are stupid, and that she has just the thing to fix it.
"Let them eat Arugula."

486 Pshawalaw  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:06:06pm

re: #450 Dan G.

Right, that is the immediate harm from not allowing those states to participate, and then there is the long term negative effect if they do; chaos, it is chaos I tell you. :)

487 nyc redneck  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:06:11pm

re: #463 bellamags

I think Barack and Michelle have never been seriously criticized in their lives. Now they don't know how to handle the scrutiny. They need to get the *uck over it and act like a grown ups.

that's exactly right. they have had the kid glove treatment so long and that is what they have come to expect and what they take for granted. they act incensed abt. questions and scrutiny that everyone else is getting. osama just wants to eat his waffle and not take the hard questions and michelle just wants to complain abt how bad america is. they are an embarrassment.

488 joecitizen  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:06:42pm

re: #429 Bloodnok

Come to think of it I have been redirected to odd places a couple of times while clicking over to a bookmarked site. I think I was taken to the search page once. Hasn't happened in a few hours, though.

still happening here..

489 yochanan  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:07:03pm

obama got creamed by T.W.P. and wonder which % of them would vote for john mccain or stay home if the obamamasssah in nov.?

490 bellamags  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:07:42pm

re: #487 nyc redneck

amen .

491 rorschach  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:07:49pm
#36 Charles

I never thought I'd say it, but I've actually gained some respect for her in this campaign.

Ditto.

492 wolfie  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:07:49pm

re: #481 unrealizedviewpoint

We certainly cannot attempt to find rational reasoning with regard to democratic primary rules. It'll only make your head hurt and fill your walls with holes.

I've been trying to make sense of them, but I think you're absolutely right. It's like trying to figure out the baseball balk rule. Comes a time when you just have to give up.

493 Biff  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:08:26pm

If Obama is the Dem nominee, it will be considered rascist for white people to vote.

494 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:09:08pm

re: #480 Nevergiveup

Didn't she make some comment about how she felt so out of place on campus?

Yes, indeedy!

Politico has the full text:

"My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my 'blackness' than ever before," the future Mrs. Obama wrote in her thesis introduction. "I have found that at Princeton, no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my white professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong. Regardless of the circumstances underwhich I interact with whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be black first and a student second."

495 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:09:18pm

re: #489 yochanan

obama got creamed by T.W.P. and wonder which % of them would vote for john mccain or stay home if the obamamasssah in nov.?

Saw earlier
KY - 32% of Dems for McCain, 15% will stay home.

496 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:09:19pm

re: #478 Pshawalaw

I agree that it seems wrong for the party to control when the states hold primaries, but they do want that power, and it they renege on their threat to keep out any state that doesn't follow their schedule they lose the power to make those decisions, right?

Since the political parties do not pay for the primaries, they should have no power over when or in what order they are held. Disenfranchising the voters of two of the five biggest states in the country is not something the political parties SHOULD have the power to do. Doing so makes them look like they are deliberately rigging the election.

497 bellamags  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:09:38pm

re: #491 rorschach

me too. I almost want to send her a card or something.

498 Grammy Cracker  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:09:45pm

re: #483 Dan G.

Does she have a graduate degree? If so, did she have to write a thesis? If so, any one looked for it or read it?

The full thesis is available here.

According to Snopes, it was *unavailable* until recently.

499 Fredlike  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:10:03pm

re: #471 galloping granny

That is my point. The "rules" should have nothing to do with the date the primaries are held. That is a state decision. Otherwise you get situations where the dems won't count Florida because they voted "early" and the Republicans won't count Florida either because they voted "late." This should be a state decision - period.

Actually it is not a State decision it is a party decision. The national party can tell the states in what time frame they can have primaries or caucuses. The Republicans did a better penalty in allowing at least 1/2 the delegates to sit.

I think Michigan and Florida will be sat but will not be allowed to vote on the first presidential ballot but will get a voice in the other matters decided at the conventions.

Remember that in the Democratic convention no delegate is bound by a pledge (unless the state specifically requires it) and can vote their own opinion even on the first ballot. I'm sure Hill is hoping she can keep Barry from a first round majority and take him in the second round, but if he does screw-up bad enough Hill can win on the first ballot.

500 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:10:39pm
501 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:10:56pm

Why does Obama drag his little kids to a late night rally?

502 haakondahl  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:11:26pm

re: #494 loppyd

Yes, indeedy!

Politico has the full text:

"My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my 'blackness' than ever before," the future Mrs. Obama wrote in her thesis introduction. "I have found that at Princeton, no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my white professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong. Regardless of the circumstances underwhich I interact with whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be black first and a student second."

Only time I have ever heard of a student being allowed to turn in a poorly-written journal for a thesis.

503 Grammy Cracker  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:11:33pm

re: #484 joecitizen

for you Grammy...yeah this is a repost but,what the hell..

Ahhhh...before my time, but I still love it!

/loves me a little Rat Pack

504 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:12:17pm

re: #499 Fredlike

Actually it is not a State decision it is a party decision. The national party can tell the states in what time frame they can have primaries or caucuses. The Republicans did a better penalty in allowing at least 1/2 the delegates to sit.

I think Michigan and Florida will be sat but will not be allowed to vote on the first presidential ballot but will get a voice in the other matters decided at the conventions.

Remember that in the Democratic convention no delegate is bound by a pledge (unless the state specifically requires it) and can vote their own opinion even on the first ballot. I'm sure Hill is hoping she can keep Barry from a first round majority and take him in the second round, but if he does screw-up bad enough Hill can win on the first ballot.

I understand that it is currently a "party" decision. It shouldn't be. The parties do not pay for this, the voters do.

505 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:12:43pm
506 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:12:43pm
507 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:13:11pm

re: #502 haakondahl

Only time I have ever heard of a student being allowed to turn in a poorly-written journal for a thesis.

Well you know, she got into Princeton on lousy SATs as a legacy for her athlete brother. That thesis was just a formality.

508 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:13:11pm

re: #494 loppyd

Yes, indeedy!

Politico has the full text:

"My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my 'blackness' than ever before," the future Mrs. Obama wrote in her thesis introduction. "I have found that at Princeton, no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my white professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong. Regardless of the circumstances underwhich I interact with whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be black first and a student second."

Ahhh! MRO, you think you might have been the one with a "problem?"

509 Dan G.  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:13:14pm

re: #498 Grammy Cracker

She graduated by being a biggot... and writing about it? (i.e. she's uncomfortable with white people...) Sick.

510 bellamags  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:13:17pm

We have three candidates. They each believe they "deserve" the presidency.

One, because he's a war hero and suffered at the hands of the enemy.

Two, because she stood by her man and suffered at the hands of her husband.

Three, because he has over come racism and suffered at the hands of his country.

I think I want number One.

511 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:13:20pm

"Change- We can believe in"-----that sounds like a punch line from a bad comedy movie!

512 wolfie  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:13:21pm

re: #483 Dan G.

Does she have a graduate degree? If so, did she have to write a thesis? If so, any one looked for it or read it?

She wrote a senior honors thesis at Princeton on the miseries of being black in a white liberal world. At least excerpts are out there on the web.....maybe the whole thing. There have been a few salient quotes given on LGF. Try the search option here. They may lead you to a link.
Can any lizards help Dan out here?

513 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:13:28pm

Silence!

The second coming has taken the stage....

514 haakondahl  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:13:44pm

re: #500 savage_nation


bitchslapped into the next dimension

There you go again! :D

515 Naso Tang  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:14:04pm

re: #36 Charles

I never thought I'd say it, but I've actually gained some respect for her in this campaign.

Not a lot. But some.

Just because she can wipe the floor with Obama in debate, or because of what she appears to say? ;)

516 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:14:19pm

re: #501 Nevergiveup

Why does Obama drag his little kids to a late night rally?

I don't ever again want to hear Michelle Obama talk about things not being good for her children.

517 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:14:21pm

I assume he knows he in the wrong state?

518 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:14:40pm

Time to flip back to the Celtics/Red Sox...

519 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:14:51pm
520 wolfie  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:14:55pm

re: #512 wolfie

I should have known the lizard army would be out in force with full links right away! Bravo! Bravo!

521 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:14:59pm
522 Dan G.  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:14:59pm

re: #512 wolfie

Someone already did... thanks.

523 haakondahl  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:15:30pm

re: #504 galloping granny

I understand that it is currently a "party" decision. It shouldn't be. The parties do not pay for this, the voters do.

And just which voters are not the parties? Which parties are not the voters? Would you rather that we all have to sit through a series of town hall meetings to decide these things?

I prefer our 2.1 party system to the Parliamentary babble present in so many other "systems". All you need to do is come up with a better way to organize it, and you'll have my support.

524 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:15:35pm

re: #512 wolfie

She wrote a senior honors thesis at Princeton on the miseries of being black in a white liberal world. At least excerpts are out there on the web.....maybe the whole thing. There have been a few salient quotes given on LGF. Try the search option here. They may lead you to a link.
Can any lizards help Dan out here?

see 508

525 Grammy Cracker  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:15:35pm

re: #509 Dan G.

She graduated by being a biggot... and writing about it? (i.e. she's uncomfortable with white people...) Sick.

Yup. She was a black supremacist long before she met the Rev. Wrong, as far as I can tell.

526 sparrowlake  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:15:49pm

re: #482 savage_nation

Ah yes, there is that little thing.

527 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:16:00pm

re: #517 Nevergiveup

I assume he knows he in the wrong state?

I see he has been practicing his Southern drawl, is dragging Ted into it and has his flag pin back on.

528 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:16:07pm

re: #492 wolfie

I've been trying to make sense of them, but I think you're absolutely right. It's like trying to figure out the baseball balk rule. Comes a time when you just have to give up.

Like the baseball leagues, the democratic party is a private organization who may make and enforce any rule of their liking. And as long as that rule supports Operation Chaos, I'm all for it.

529 Fredlike  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:16:14pm

re: #504 galloping granny

I understand that it is currently a "party" decision. It shouldn't be. The parties do not pay for this, the voters do.

I think it depends on the State, I know at least for some party votes the party does pay in my state but maybe not the Presidential primaries. The state parties have a huge amount of latitude in deciding when to hold the votes, I think both national parties were right to try to keep the states from pushing the early primaries into November. Maybe the Dem. race will show the states that being first is not as big a deal as it seems.

530 wolfie  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:17:01pm

re: #524 loppyd

Yep! You guys are fantastic!
You've got the full links long before I even type a thought!

531 Grammy Cracker  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:17:29pm

re: #512 wolfie

She wrote a senior honors thesis at Princeton on the miseries of being black in a white liberal world. At least excerpts are out there on the web.....maybe the whole thing. There have been a few salient quotes given on LGF. Try the search option here. They may lead you to a link.
Can any lizards help Dan out here?

Look up thread ↑. I posted it, as did someone else.

532 Pshawalaw  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:17:43pm

re: #496 galloping granny

I'm trying to agree with you, the states should have their primary when they choose, I have never understood why Iowa and N.H. should get to tell the rest of us who the candidates should be. So, maybe what i am saying is, once they seat FL and Mich. we can all start holding our primaries whenever we feel it suits us best, after all, the Party can not fail to seat our delegates or ignore the votes of our citizens.

533 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:18:02pm

re: #530 wolfie

Yep! You guys are fantastic!
You've got the full links long before I even type a thought!

We aim to please! LOL

534 nyc redneck  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:18:13pm

re: #494 loppyd

Yes, indeedy!

Politico has the full text:

"My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my 'blackness' than ever before," the future Mrs. Obama wrote in her thesis introduction. "I have found that at Princeton, no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my white professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong. Regardless of the circumstances underwhich I interact with whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be black first and a student second."

wow, michelle always had a chip on her shoulder. this ridiculous whiney thesis shows that. ( it was pre rev. wright.)
what a complainer, a malingerer,
she needs some therapy.

535 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:18:25pm

Why is Obama acting like this thing is in the bag? I'm looking at the numbers, and I just don't think he can go to Denver secure with the nomination.

And he's speaking from Iowa. Cut and run from Oregon? That's not going to sit well with the local folk.

Obama needs to pay the mortgage first, and he may be overleveraged at this point. Uncommitted superdelegates hold immense power right now.

536 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:18:59pm

re: #523 haakondahl

And just which voters are not the parties? Which parties are not the voters? Would you rather that we all have to sit through a series of town hall meetings to decide these things?

I prefer our 2.1 party system to the Parliamentary babble present in so many other "systems". All you need to do is come up with a better way to organize it, and you'll have my support.

Not at all - that was not what I said in the least. What I said is that the individual political parties should have no say whatever over when the individual states, the taxpayers of which foot the bill for the primaries, hold their primary elections. This disenfranchising of the voters (even only half-disenfranchising) of two of our largest states because the legally constituted legislature of those states decided to schedule the primary on a date the democrats did not approve of is so much BS.

537 Dan G.  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:19:04pm
"I hoped that these findings would help me conclude that despite the high degree of identification with whites as a result of the educational and occupational path that black Princeton alumni follow, the alumni would still maintain a certain level of identification with the black community. However, these findings do not support this possibility."

HA! In your face bigot. {sorry if this topic has already been belabored}

538 faraway  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:19:17pm

re: #439 haakondahl

Only 2 million came in from overseas, and it all seems to have name, location, and occupation attached.

Let's see...

I am in KR Korea. You have my IP address 221.144.133.101.

When I fill out the form for $185, I say I am from Los Angeles and my name is Charles Johnson.

Tomorrow I log in and do the same thing under the name Charles Haakondahl.

Now imagine this happening via a computer script (that any teenager could write) hundreds or thousands of times per day.

539 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:20:24pm

re: #534 nyc redneck

wow, michelle always had a chip on her shoulder. this ridiculous whiney thesis shows that. ( it was pre rev. wright.)
what a complainer, a malingerer,
she needs some therapy.

And Obama calls PA voters bitter? Perhaps he should look no further than his own wife.

I think she sought out that church and felt right at home there.

540 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:20:48pm

re: #532 Pshawalaw

I'm trying to agree with you, the states should have their primary when they choose, I have never understood why Iowa and N.H. should get to tell the rest of us who the candidates should be. So, maybe what i am saying is, once they seat FL and Mich. we can all start holding our primaries whenever we feel it suits us best, after all, the Party can not fail to seat our delegates or ignore the votes of our citizens.

It certainly appears that the dems intend to do just exactly that. And if they don't like the votes of the citizens, there are always superdelegates to fix things.

541 Fredlike  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:20:50pm

re: #535 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Obama can get enough delegates if more super delegates go over to him and if Florida and Michigan are sat with him getting the Michigan undecided. Hill can not get a majority now even if all the supers go to her. But she can live to the second ballot.

542 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:21:17pm

re: #501 Nevergiveup

Why does Obama drag his little kids to a late night rally?

I'm more concerned with them dragging these children off to see the Rev. Wright every Sunday morning.

543 Dan G.  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:21:28pm

New McCain (or Clinton) campaign add...

"Keep racists out of office... vote McCain (or Clinton"

544 wolfie  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:22:25pm

re: #536 galloping granny

Well, there is that contradiction, as you make clear. One the one hand the parties are private organizations that should be able to make any rules they want. On the other hand, when the states are footing the bill, how can you over-ride what they want?

545 haakondahl  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:22:34pm

re: #529 Fredlike

I think it depends on the State, I know at least for some party votes the party does pay in my state but maybe not the Presidential primaries. The state parties have a huge amount of latitude in deciding when to hold the votes, I think both national parties were right to try to keep the states from pushing the early primaries into November. Maybe the Dem. race will show the states that being first is not as big a deal as it seems.

Precisely. I would not want national elections held hostage by some oddball governor or populist legislative body with a thing in its craw for unique scheduling. Yes, I support States' rights as a higher prioriuty than the powers of the Federal government. We are not talking about the Federal government. This is all of the States mutually agreeing to place most the schedule-coordinating power into the hands of the people who will actually administer much of the process, and in whom most of the voters have already expressed a degree of confidence.

The parties are the vehicles by which the voters ourselves may organize into something larger than an auditorium. If occasionally a State feels slighted and 49 do not, well that is the price of agreeing to compromise. Consider the alternatives.

546 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:23:22pm

re: #541 Fredlike

Obama can get enough delegates if more super delegates go over to him and if Florida and Michigan are sat with him getting the Michigan undecided. Hill can not get a majority now even if all the supers go to her. But she can live to the second ballot.

Obama removed himself from the ballot in Michigan. Why should he get even a single vote from Michigan? None of those people voted for Obama.

547 Fredlike  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:23:34pm

Has anyone made a t-shirt with Barry shedding tears and the slogan,

"Crybaby in 08" or the like.

548 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:23:50pm

re: #485 haakondahl

"Let them eat Arugula."

OK, but not all they want.

549 nyc redneck  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:24:01pm

re: #539 loppyd

And Obama calls PA voters bitter? Perhaps he should look no further than his own wife.

I think she sought out that church and felt right at home there.

exactly, it fit right in w/ her world view.
to be a strident angry miserable person and blame america for all her imagined problems.
and this after all the opportunities handed to her on a silver platter.
ugly.

550 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:24:10pm
551 Grammy Cracker  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:24:27pm

re: #538 faraway

Let's see...

I am in KR Korea. You have my IP address 221.144.133.101.

When I fill out the form for $185, I say I am from Los Angeles and my name is Charles Johnson.

Tomorrow I log in and do the same thing under the name Charles Haakondahl.

Now imagine this happening via a computer script (that any teenager could write) hundreds or thousands of times per day.

Or it could be this...

I'm sure this story has been discussed here before, but it bears repeating, IMO. We shouldn't forget who Barry's friends are, either...

552 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:24:42pm

re: #546 galloping granny

Obama removed himself from the ballot in Michigan. Why should he get even a single vote from Michigan? None of those people voted for Obama.

Michigan is having an election for state offices next month. It'd be easy and cheap to hold a new election.

553 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:24:42pm

He has claimed the majority of pledged delegates.

Until he can claim enough to clinch he 'aint the nominee.

And Hillary isn't going anywhere after the beat down she just laid on him in Kentucky.

The longer she stays in and kicks his ass the weaker he looks.

RUSH YOU MAGNIFICANT BASTARD!

554 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:24:55pm

re: #541 Fredlike

Obama can get enough delegates if more super delegates go over to him and if Florida and Michigan are sat with him getting the Michigan undecided. Hill can not get a majority now even if all the supers go to her. But she can live to the second ballot.

Obama was basically an unknown back then in Michigan, and they don't take kindly to Illinois politics. Don't even think this thing is in the bag. Each huge margin for Hill and smaller margin for Barack in a less important state weighs heavily on those who want first an foremost a triple crown this election year: House, Senate, Presidency.

555 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:25:26pm

re: #544 wolfie

Why states should spend public money holding elections for political parties, which are in effect private clubs, I do not understand.

I think that should stop.

556 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:25:35pm
557 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:26:01pm

re: #544 wolfie

Well, there is that contradiction, as you make clear. One the one hand the parties are private organizations that should be able to make any rules they want. On the other hand, when the states are footing the bill, how can you over-ride what they want?

That is exactly my point. In any state I have ever lived in, the taxpayers of the state pay for the voting machines and the polling places and the poll workers and all the rest - for all the political parties on the same one day.

558 Fredlike  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:26:04pm

re: #546 galloping granny

Obama removed himself from the ballot in Michigan. Why should he get even a single vote from Michigan? None of those people voted for Obama.

True enough, but Michigan is not being sat unless Barry can get enough of the votes to make his supporters happy.

559 bellamags  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:26:31pm

re: #553 loppyd

lmao.

560 Pshawalaw  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:26:46pm

re: #540 galloping granny

the Party can not fail to seat our delegates or ignore the votes of our citizens.

-P

It certainly appears that the dems intend to do just exactly that. And if they don't like the votes of the citizens, there are always superdelegates to fix things.

-GG

But, it won't stand, they already understand that they can not anger the voters of two big states, an accommodation will be made and the pretense that the Party controls when the states hold primaries will be over.

561 Biff  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:27:05pm

What the media is not pointing out is that if Obama does not have a majority of the total delegate count on the first ballot (including Fla and Mich), all bets are off.

562 brainwizard73  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:27:23pm

Whew-ee!

The news mus' travel bit slow down ol' Ken-tuck-ee way...

Didn'ta someboday tell them folks the lady lost the contest?

37%?

Thirty-bleepin'-seven percent?

563 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:27:40pm

re: #552 unrealizedviewpoint

Michigan is having an election for state offices next month. It'd be easy and cheap to hold a new election.

There was some discussion a while back about holding the MI and FL elections over again. Both candidates (Hill and Obama) had to approve. Hillary did. Obama refused to approve a new vote.

564 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:27:58pm

re: #559 bellamags

lmao.

except I spelled magnificent wrong. LOL

565 Grammy Cracker  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:28:19pm

re: #552 unrealizedviewpoint

Michigan is having an election for state offices next month. It'd be easy and cheap to hold a new election.

No, we're not. Our state representatives run every two years, just like Congress, but won't be on any ballot until the August primary.

Our state-wide offices (Governor, SoS, AG, etc) are elected every four years, in non-presidential years. They will run next year, as will all city governments (i.e. Detroit Mayor Kilpatrick).

We have no elections for anything next month.

566 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:28:30pm

Let us all go eat all we want.

567 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:28:42pm

re: #558 Fredlike

True enough, but Michigan is not being sat unless Barry can get enough of the votes to make his supporters happy.

That would be theft of votes that do not belong to him by any ethical standards I've ever heard of.

568 haakondahl  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:28:44pm

re: #538 faraway

Let's see...
I am in KR Korea. You have my IP address 221.144.133.101.

Not true.

569 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:28:57pm

Had to turn off Obama. That word Change is really beginning to irritate me. G-Nite

570 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:29:02pm

Hey you there, stop eating

so our country will be respected

571 bellamags  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:29:11pm

re: #564 loppyd

rush is very comforting to me. sometimes though, i think "he better be right or we are screwed."

572 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:29:18pm

re: #566 Ojoe

Let us all go eat all we want.

I already ate dinner.

Am I allowed to have a snack in the World According to Obama?

573 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:29:27pm

re: #562 brainwizard73

Whew-ee!

The news mus' travel bit slow down ol' Ken-tuck-ee way...

Didn'ta someboday tell them folks the lady lost the contest?

37%?

Thirty-bleepin'-seven percent?

Thirty percent. Even worse, by far.

574 Grammy Cracker  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:29:28pm

re: #556 savage_nation

SHIT!

You hadn't seen that, Savage? Hamas hearts Obama! GACK!

575 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:29:34pm

I am sorry if my eating has offended anyone

576 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:29:52pm

re: #566 Ojoe

Let us all go eat all we want.

In an SUV at 72 degrees. Actually I am old and I get cold, so I think I'll crank the heat up to 78.

577 brainwizard73  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:30:08pm

re: #566 Ojoe

Let us all go eat all we want.

To paraphrase Celine Dion:

"Let them eat nice things!"

578 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:30:17pm

re: #572 loppyd

No snacks, man

Uncool.

579 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:30:30pm

re: #572 loppyd

I already ate dinner.

Am I allowed to have a snack in the World According to Obama?

Only if it is arugula or $99 a pound ham! Or maybe a waffle.

580 Biff  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:30:45pm

re: #563 galloping granny


so Obama took his name off the ballot in Michigan, and then refused to allow a "valid" primary, and now he wants almost half the delegates. What a weiner!

581 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:30:55pm

re: #571 bellamags

rush is very comforting to me. sometimes though, i think "he better be right or we are screwed."

In Rush we trust.

582 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:31:03pm

Stop nusring that kid and let him cry a bit

583 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:31:39pm

re: #580 Biff

so Obama took his name off the ballot in Michigan, and then refused to allow a "valid" primary, and now he wants almost half the delegates. What a weiner!

Yup - that is exactly how it goes.

584 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:31:40pm

Man his food comment pisses me off

585 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:31:54pm

Watermelon

586 Grammy Cracker  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:31:54pm

re: #566 Ojoe

Let us all go eat all we want.

I just polished off half a pint of Häagen Dazs Chocolate Peanut Butter ice cream. YUMMMMMMM!

587 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:31:56pm
588 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:31:56pm

re: #578 Ojoe

No snacks, man

Uncool.

Will I have to pay a snacks tax?

589 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:32:08pm

Does Obama ever say anything that is based upon concrete solutions?

All the grand solutions he's offered are based upon etch-a-sketch outlines of true proposals.

Change is coming to America, Barack. You won't be bringing it.

590 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:32:53pm

Haggis

Rhubarb

Persimmons

591 haakondahl  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:32:53pm

BRB

592 CapeCoddah  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:33:12pm

re: #316 Dan G.
Hey Dan...is this what you are looking for?
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

593 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:33:15pm

Eat it

Eat it raw

594 faraway  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:33:18pm

re: #568 haakondahl

Not true.

The IP address is known but not required to be reported to the FEC.

This is a ridiculous reporting loophole.

ANY funds from an IP address outside the US should receive extra scrutiny.

595 bellamags  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:33:42pm

re: #590 Ojoe

hollerin' for haggis!

596 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:33:53pm

re: #588 loppyd

Will I have to pay a snacks tax?

You will not be allowed to eat snacks unless you prove to the Obamessiah that you are within correct weight guidelines and have not exceeded your daily calorie allowance. . . . .

You know, the last time I heard of a nation dictating what/how much people could eat it was called "rationing" - or a concentration camp diet. I wonder which Obama intends?

597 wolfie  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:34:18pm

re: #586 Grammy Cracker

I just polished off half a pint of Häagen Dazs Chocolate Peanut Butter ice cream. YUMMMMMMM!

I just had a bowl of black cherry ice cream.......and I stuck an Oreo in it, too.

598 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:34:34pm

re: #594 faraway

The IP address is known but not required to be reported to the FEC.

This is a ridiculous reporting loophole.

ANY funds from an IP address outside the US should receive extra scrutiny.


Isn't just too easy to mask IP's anyway?

599 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:34:38pm

Second Coming just wrapped it up.

Michelle wearing a belt that looks like she just won a boxing title....

600 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:34:39pm

RC Cola
Scooter Pie

Sleepin' at the Y

601 bellamags  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:34:52pm

re: #597 wolfie

bad

602 wolfie  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:34:57pm

A double-stuffed Oreo.

603 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:35:09pm

re: #594 faraway

The IP address is known but not required to be reported to the FEC.

This is a ridiculous reporting loophole.

ANY funds from an IP address outside the US should receive extra scrutiny.

The fact that they are tracking IP's means that they are collecting them. This deserves a FOI investigation.

604 Biff  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:35:24pm

re: #586 Grammy Cracker

The only thing I like about peanut butter is thai peanut sauce.

605 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:35:29pm

Chocolate Eclairs

606 Pshawalaw  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:35:45pm

Obama has inspired me to conserve energy, I now turn off the television every time a Democrat appears on the tube.

And when I want "change" I hit the remote to see what is on the other channels.

607 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:35:56pm

Peffernuse

608 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:35:56pm

re: #589 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Does Obama ever say anything that is based upon concrete solutions?

All the grand solutions he's offered are based upon etch-a-sketch outlines of true proposals.

Change is coming to America, Barack. You won't be bringing it.

No. To offer concrete solutions to something like health care or the economy or the military, you have to actually KNOW something about those subjects. Obama does not. No education and no experience.

609 Grammy Cracker  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:36:23pm

re: #597 wolfie

I just had a bowl of black cherry ice cream.......and I stuck an Oreo in it, too.

Ooooo...sounds good, too!

/I'm feeling a little, uh, piggish though...

610 wolfie  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:36:34pm

re: #601 bellamags

bad

I know.
Very bad.

611 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:36:45pm

Bacon and bean burrito

Greenhouse gasses

612 faraway  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:37:05pm

I just ate an Obama Weenie.

Dark bread on the left.
Typical white bread on the right.
Nothing in the middle.
Bitter cheese spread in the shape of a cross concealing a crescent underneath.

Sweetie tea to drink.
Waffles for dessert.

613 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:37:49pm

Bread and water

Keelhaul

Plankwalk

614 bellamags  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:37:59pm

re: #607 Ojoe

isn't that from dr. seuss?

615 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:38:01pm

re: #612 faraway

I just ate an Obama Weenie.

Dark bread on the left.
Typical white bread on the right.
Nothing in the middle.
Bitter cheese spread in the shape of a cross concealing a crescent underneath.

Sweetie tea to drink.
Waffles for dessert.

You did only eat part of that, right? After all, the Messiah has ordered us to all cut down on what we eat so that we get the approval of the rest of the world.

616 Grammy Cracker  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:38:09pm

re: #604 Biff

The only thing I like about peanut butter is thai peanut sauce.

Oooo....sounds good! Yikes! So much food talk! The Obamessiah will NOT be pleased.

617 faraway  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:38:18pm

re: #598 unrealizedviewpoint

Isn't just too easy to mask IP's anyway?

IPs can be spoofed, but not easily.

618 CapeCoddah  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:38:26pm

www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html
Michelle Obama's Thesis for DanG.

619 Grammy Cracker  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:38:42pm

re: #611 Ojoe

Bacon and bean burrito

Greenhouse gasses

ROFL!

620 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:38:55pm

re: #596 galloping granny

You will not be allowed to eat snacks unless you prove to the Obamessiah that you are within correct weight guidelines and have not exceeded your daily calorie allowance. . . . .

You know, the last time I heard of a nation dictating what/how much people could eat it was called "rationing" - or a concentration camp diet. I wonder which Obama intends?

I'm screwed then. LOL

Let him talk about eating less and not driving SUVs at the debates against McCain and see how that plays in flyover country.

621 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:39:06pm

Porter from the tap

With heads of yellow cream

And Nelson on his pillar

Watching his world collapse

(the Dubliners)

622 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:40:05pm
623 sngnsgt  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:40:08pm

Hilly slammed Obama in KY!

624 wolfie  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:40:18pm

re: #612 faraway

I just ate an Obama Weenie.

Dark bread on the left.
Typical white bread on the right.
Nothing in the middle.
Bitter cheese spread in the shape of a cross concealing a crescent underneath.

Sweetie tea to drink.
Waffles for dessert.

WHAT?! No arugula? What are you, some kinda redneck?
/

625 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:40:37pm

Nobody likes me
Every body hates me
Guess I'll go eat worms ....

Someone else may finish this, it has more lines

Good Night All

626 faraway  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:41:13pm

re: #615 galloping granny

You did only eat part of that, right? After all, the Messiah has ordered us to all cut down on what we eat so that we get the approval of the rest of the world.

Yea, I gave the rest to the dog. He spit it out and growled at me. He now has me pinned down on top of the computer desk.

627 Grammy Cracker  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:41:22pm

re: #622 savage_nation

t-bone steak covered in bleu cheese with a baked potato and corn on the cob.

As long as that's a rare steak, I'm right there wit ya!

628 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:41:52pm

re: #620 loppyd

I'm screwed then. LOL

Let him talk about eating less and not driving SUVs at the debates against McCain and see how that plays in flyover country.

I would pay much more attention if he did not arrive places in ostentatiously long limousines and consume arugula and $99 a pound ham. That is very hypocritical. And arrogant.

629 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:41:59pm

re: #614 bellamags

I don't know the answer to your Q.

But Pfferneuse (sp) is a hard little German cookie.

'Night all

630 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:42:02pm

If my memory of previous convention nomination fights is correct, at some point during the process, after a certain ballot, all delegates are released and can vote for the candidate that they want. In fact, not every presidential candidate was even a standing candidate prior to the convention.

This is better than the halcyon days of Law and Order.

631 Grammy Cracker  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:42:13pm

re: #625 Ojoe

Nobody likes me
Every body hates me
Guess I'll go eat worms ....

Someone else may finish this, it has more lines

Good Night All

Fat ones
Skinny ones
Ones that like to squirm

/I think...

632 faraway  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:42:24pm

re: #623 sngnsgt

Hilly slammed Obama in KY!

That sounds really nasty.

633 nyc redneck  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:42:40pm

re: #575 Ojoe

I am sorry if my eating has offended anyone

would you like some more rhubarb pie. let's have it ala mode and really be despised.

634 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:43:03pm
635 eaglewingz08  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:43:16pm

Hillary bitchslaps the Obamanation again. Oregon could be a tossup, three points give or take. For the presumptive nominee to be treading water in libtopia Oregon and tanking badly in the Midwest and South, is bad news for dems. After all the libnuts went all crazy when our presumptive nominee only got like 76 percent in a latter day election after he sowed up the delegates needed to win. So, when the Obamanation only gets around thirty percent (his bowling score) that is cause for grave concern for anyone with half a brain (guess that leaves many dems out, come to think of it).

636 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:43:30pm

re: #633 nyc redneck

would you like some more rhubarb pie. let's have it ala mode and really be despised.

Luckily no one anywhere else knows what rhubarb is so we can eat all of that we want.

637 Grammy Cracker  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:43:30pm

re: #631 Grammy Cracker

Fat ones
Skinny ones
Long ones
Short ones

Ones that like to squirm

/I think...

Missed a few...oops!

638 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:44:22pm
639 bellamags  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:44:38pm

re: #631 Grammy Cracker

the long thin slimy ones slip down my throat
the short fat fuzzy ones stick!

640 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:45:45pm

re: #635 eaglewingz08

Hillary bitchslaps the Obamanation again. Oregon could be a tossup, three points give or take. For the presumptive nominee to be treading water in libtopia Oregon and tanking badly in the Midwest and South, is bad news for dems. After all the libnuts went all crazy when our presumptive nominee only got like 76 percent in a latter day election after he sowed up the delegates needed to win. So, when the Obamanation only gets around thirty percent (his bowling score) that is cause for grave concern for anyone with half a brain (guess that leaves many dems out, come to think of it).

Agreed. They are desperate for her to quit. Not one of the bunch seems to be able to read Hillary even the least little bit. That gal is a scrapper. When the going gets tough, so does she and she will hang in there like a bull dog. Love her or hate her, you have to admire her for that.

641 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:46:06pm
642 faraway  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:46:08pm

Discarded Headlines for tomorrow

KY Helps Hillary Cream Obama
Obama 35% Behind in KY
KY Blowout for Hillary On Top Of Obama

643 Grammy Cracker  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:46:13pm

BREAKING NEWS:

Deal Reached in Lebanon Crisis

Yeah. Good luck with that.

644 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:46:47pm

re: #638 savage_nation

ever eaten fresh rhubarb like a celery stalk?

Did I grow up in New England? (and the south!) Of course. Real pucker power that's got. We used to love to go steal the stuff out of Grandpa's garden.

645 Grammy Cracker  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:46:49pm

re: #639 bellamags

the long thin slimy ones slip down my throat
the short fat fuzzy ones stick!

Eeeeewwww! LOL

646 bellamags  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:49:11pm

re: #641 ploome hineni

damn

647 nyc redneck  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:49:49pm

re: #636 galloping granny

Luckily no one anywhere else knows what rhubarb is so we can eat all of that we want.

well, here you go. enjoy this, w/ honey vanilla ice cream.

648 bellamags  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:51:18pm

re: #645 Grammy Cracker

remember:

no body likes me everybody hates me
going to the garden to eat worrrrrrrrrrrrrms.

the long thin slimy ones slip down my throat
the short fat fuzzy ones stick.

(don't know the second verse)

649 galloping granny  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:51:18pm

I'm off to bed. Have to climb the hill and move the spare-gus tomorrow. See you nice folks in the am.

650 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:51:56pm
651 bellamags  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:52:55pm

re: #650 savage_nation

i really like your terrance and phillip portrait.

652 wolfie  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:53:06pm

re: #649 galloping granny

G'nite, granny! Sweet rhubarb dreams!

653 nyc redneck  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:53:14pm

re: #641 ploome hineni

well, this is backlash over black accusations of racism

Spike Lee accuses Clint Eastwood of erasing black GIs from history

read the comments, people are fed up

i thought clint eastwood was a big lib. what the heck is going on?
(the rev wright anger is contagious?)

654 nyc redneck  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:54:59pm

re: #649 galloping granny

nighty night, galloping granny.

655 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:56:09pm
656 wolfie  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:58:13pm

re: #642 faraway

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
(It took me a while to get the whole joke there! LOL!)

657 faraway  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:58:51pm

Gotta go. When I wake up it will be Morning in America. And I will be proud (again).

658 olga  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:01:20pm

Any one have results from Oregon's primary? It was mail in.

659 wolfie  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:04:04pm

re: #658 olga

Any one have results from Oregon's primary? It was mail in.

Someone said the results wouldn't be in until 11:00PM.....Oregon time, I guess.
But I was wondering myself if there wouldn't be some coming in sooner.

660 Grammy Cracker  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:05:10pm

re: #658 olga

Any one have results from Oregon's primary? It was mail in.

I believe their mail drops were open until 8:00 p.m. PST, which is just now. It will take some time to process the ballots, I'm sure. None of the news agencies is reporting any results yet.

661 irongrampa  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:08:56pm

I want to see hillary carry this to the end, lose by the narrowest margin possible, but go to Denver and create a massive upset.
Just a pity I don't like popcorn.

662 dekalb  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:10:45pm

494 loppyd:

I checked out that link to Michelle Obama's thesis. It's bad. On the first page of the text she has one grammatical error and a couple of awkward phrases that would not pass ENG 101.

663 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:11:59pm

re: #159 sadhu

I am going to vote for the first time in 30+ years and it won't be for obiwannabe. He will be crushed.

Here's something that'll really make liberal heads explode: I'll be turning 18 maybe two weeks before the election. Obama's not getting my vote either.

Sorry to eat and run (lovely popcorn, BTW), but I'm sleepy and going to bed. Night!

664 Grammy Cracker  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:13:09pm

Time for me to crash, kiddies... The wild and wacky Michigan weather has given me a raging sinus headache, so it's drugs and bed for me!

Make it a GREAT night....see you in the morning!

665 Catttt  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:41:59pm

re: #662 dekalb

Her basic thesis is interesting (though imho obvious), but she is (was) weak on her mechanics - especially punctuation. The average amateur writer makes lots of mistakes, as the basics are simply not communicated properly in our schools today, though people with higher-level degrees usually do better than this, and it is a bit embarrassing to see the errors. One should make sure to expunge errors in something as important as a thesis of this sort. I could have blue-penciled it for her in a couple of hours.

666 Catttt  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:44:40pm

re: #661 irongrampa

I want to see hillary carry this to the end, lose by the narrowest margin possible, but go to Denver and create a massive upset.
Just a pity I don't like popcorn.

I still have this feeling she's going to win the nominantion.

Call it a hunch.

Either way it goes, the Dems are cruising for a bruising, imho.

667 BigJohn  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:53:04pm

Check out this INTERACTIVE ELECTORAL MAP. It has the locked up states in red and blue, although I'm not sure about the blue, Hispanic states. You can pick the rest. Obama will be McGovernized.

668 haakondahl  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:58:48pm

re: #603 really grumpy big dog Johnson

The fact that they are tracking IP's means that they are collecting them. This deserves a FOI investigation.

I do not think that they are even collecting them. There are no IP addresses in the spreadsheet I have. It's even worse than Faraway's scenario.

669 haakondahl  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:00:05pm

re: #594 faraway

The IP address is known but not required to be reported to the FEC.

This is a ridiculous reporting loophole.

ANY funds from an IP address outside the US should receive extra scrutiny.

Actually, I was saying that that is not your IP address. Either that or you are in a better-secured area than I have ever seen before.

670 haakondahl  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:04:44pm

re: #643 Grammy Cracker

BREAKING NEWS:

Deal Reached in Lebanon Crisis

Yeah. Good luck with that.

Here's the deal: All you Jews just walk West until you can't breathe, and we'll tear down everything you built. Then we'll blame you anyway.

671 haakondahl  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:07:34pm

re: #662 dekalb

494 loppyd:

I checked out that link to Michelle Obama's thesis. It's bad. On the first page of the text she has one grammatical error and a couple of awkward phrases that would not pass ENG 101.

Hitch tore her apart. "Well, yes, I have read that paper--or, I attempted to read it at any rate. In fact, it is not possible to actually read what is written, for it is not written in English or any other language."
Paraphrase from HH appearance a week or so ago..

672 DrCruel  Tue, May 20, 2008 10:31:23pm

I haven't seen socialists so at each other's throats since Operation Barbarossa.

673 wordwarp  Tue, May 20, 2008 11:48:25pm

chaos continues.

674 Kurosaki Ichigo  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:57:07am

It looks the bitter gun toting religion clinging people have struck again (sarcasm)

Get your tickets for the Denver riots oops i mean Dunc 2008 convention at
[Link: www.worstthendncconvention1968.com...] the first 50 customers get a free bullet proof vest

675 Charles  Wed, May 21, 2008 9:32:08am

You can't use IP addresses to reliably determine where someone is, folks. There are databases that correlate IPs with locations, but they're not foolproof -- and they're not marketed that way.

"IP to Location" mapping is OK for serving up advertisements, not so OK for tracking campaign contributions.

676 Ariana  Wed, May 21, 2008 11:25:43am

SEVEN MISTAKES OF THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN IN KENTUCKY -- PART I
1). "Daisy Mae don't live here nomore". Using the Lil’ Abner cartoon stereotypes as a guidebook understanding the Kentucky population. For that matter, using the accumulated Hollywood and media stereotypes of Kentuckians, Appalachians, mountain folks etc. was quite foolish. Kentuckians took Obama’s remarks and the Media’s slurs as mortal insults. They won’t forgive or forget them.
2). Assuming they were dealing with an homogeneous culture Ignorance of regionalism will doom any Kentucky politician: Kentucky has very distinct cultures and regions. Each region often acts as a state within the state, and meets any attempts to approach them as a homogeneous population with frozen rejection.
A breakdown: Northern Kentucky is a German-Catholic suburb of Cincinnati with a significant Japanese community; Lexington, Louisville( and their surrounding metropolitan extensions) are very southern in the sense of Atlanta or Charleston, SC--a very British-American ethnic group--.However, Lexington also has a very large Irish and Hispanic-Catholic population, as well as a large Jewish population, an influential Japanese community, and an international academic community; Eastern Kentucky has a knee-jerk pride in being Appalachian[heaven help the idiot that offends it] ; and Western Kentucky shares Nashville’s culture and business circles.
3). Assuming that a predominantly religious culture was politically gullible. They paid too much attention to the left-wing propaganda mills which spins religious people as uneducated, stupid bumpkins.
4). This has been a hunting state since its inception. In the rural areas, people actually supplement their food budget by hunting game animals. Do not refer to an over two-century old tradition as an emotional pacifier for disappointed rubes.
5). Ignorance of the Kentucky Code. They do not forget or forgive anyone offending their “honor”. An old fashioned term— meaning--to question their integrity.

677 Ariana  Wed, May 21, 2008 11:31:47am

SEVEN MISTAKES OF THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN IN KENTUCKY -- continued as PART II
6). Demonstrated Poor Historical Understanding: Although, Kentucky had slaves, it was not a “slave state”. The Civil War spilt families, communities and cities wide apart. Most of the regions never even had slaves and many were big participants in the Underground Railroad. Kentucky never joined the Confederacy.
7). What Kentuckians still remember are northern and east-coast vultures of the post-civil war era; attracted by the states post-war economic collapse; that treated the entire population like an occupied, conquered territory. They either swindled or pressured thousands of families to sell them their farms and mineral rights for pennies and built huge fortunes. What followed was the “raping” of Kentucky’s natural resources by the horse industry, timber, natural gas and coal companies; whose owners lived out-of-state and took their profits out-of-state. The “new elites” gave political donations and lobbied to buy-off democratic politicians, who gave them a tax-free status for more than a century [the corruption of the controlling Democratic Party is still legendary]. For decades, Kentuckians were frustrated by watching the wealth of their state carted off to the corporations in the north and east coast. In essence, Kentucky was treated like a third-world country by other states for over a century. By the time, Kentuckians re-gained control of their own state government and could raise capital; much of the state’s resources had been harvested by outsiders. In the process, this form of industrialization destroyed the resources which had allowed the Eastern Kentuckians, in particular, an unmatched level of independence.

Examples of how these proud people have been degraded include a Broadway play, the Kentucky Cycle, written by a gentleman who never bothered to visit the state, and whose derogatory portrait has been debunked by every major American historian to date. Yet, it is considered fair game to aim the worst offensive, “racist-like” regional slurs against these people. Their silent fury has been building for generations. The Media triggered an eruption of accumulated resentment when they conducted themselves like a 21st century m>“Bwanna” swaggering in to civilize the savages.

Ariana

678 Daisy  Wed, May 21, 2008 7:24:36pm

re: #676 Ariana

Very interesting points ... especially the one about not insulting Daisy ... I'm with you all the way :)!


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