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Obama Speaks in Iowa

Tue, May 20, 2008 at 7:13:19 pm PDT

An open thread for Barack Obama’s victory speech in Des Moines, Iowa...

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1 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:14:28pm

Change!
Hope!
Yes we can!

I gotta check the liquor cabinet to see if I can keep up tonight.

2 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:14:30pm

Wasn't Iowa a while ago? Am I confused?

3 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:15:07pm

re: #2 goddessoftheclassroom

Wasn't Iowa a while ago? Am I confused?

Iowa, the 54th State one.

4 maddogg  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:15:40pm

Hot gas, just hot gas. Called Ted Kennedy Ed Kennedy.

5 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:16:48pm

Oh it's all about you!

6 BignJames  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:17:19pm

re: #2 goddessoftheclassroom

They get to vote again......it's part of the Fla/Mich deal....thingy....:)

7 maddogg  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:17:23pm

Listening to the audience roar, stupidity with enthusiasm.

8 Irene NYC  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:17:24pm

Go Hillary!
;)

9 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:17:28pm

change different--that's specific

10 The Shadow Do  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:18:03pm

Grabin' those Kennedy coat tails. Yup, that'll help our "journey to change America"

This cat is one shameless shill. "This country that we love"

baloney you phony.

11 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:18:05pm
12 opinionated  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:18:09pm

"......path that has failed us for so long"

Really? Is America a failure? Failing? For so long?

13 DesertSage  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:18:12pm

I'm surprised he's taking time out from eating waffles.

14 snowcrash  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:18:12pm

I guess I'm not the only one who just can't get into this speech. I am so tired of this man. UGH.

15 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:18:35pm

I am not sure I can last much longer listening to this jack ass.

16 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:18:37pm

Strength of our diplomacy.... without preconditions!

17 infidel Alan  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:18:48pm

It doesn't sound like a large crowd at all.

18 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:19:25pm

YAY! One country! Woo-hoo! (Maybe he'll blow his nose!)

19 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:19:39pm
20 USA  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:19:43pm

White Waffle House, here we come!

21 offendi  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:19:44pm

Yes, yes we can ! And I promise to never hold talks with non-government terrorists, like... well...like... Hillary Clinton. Take that sweetie !

Barry the Messiah soon to follow the proud electoral tradition of George McGovern.

22 The Shadow Do  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:19:47pm

What soaring rhetoric! I am feeling "bound together" even as we type!

23 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:20:13pm

Young people who've been inspired for the very first time... by ME ME ME ME ME!

Kneel before Zod!

24 maddogg  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:20:17pm

Opama forign policy, bend over and spread 'em. Our enemies will love us again.

25 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:20:18pm

If he ever said anything even remotely specific about any issue I think I would keel over. This sounds like a Hollywood Movie script speech that Micheal Douglas might deliver.

26 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:20:31pm

re: #22 The Shadow Do

What soaring rhetoric! I am feeling "bound together" even as we type!

Metamucil.

27 joecitizen  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:20:33pm

is that a flag pin or a piece of waffle?

28 BignJames  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:20:58pm

re: #18 Occasional Reader

With 57 states! Talk about NEW & IMPROVED!

29 The Shadow Do  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:21:09pm

I was so empty before. But now there is Obama.

30 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:21:26pm

re: #19 buzzsawmonkey

I want to see flop sweat on Obama's brow.

Is that wrong?

Maybe not wrong, but kind of kinky. Well... maybe kinky. What the hell is "flop sweat"?

31 Truck Monkey  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:21:32pm

re: #22 The Shadow Do

What soaring rhetoric! I am feeling "bound together" even as we type!

I'm a little "bound" up myself. I'll be back right after I take the Browns to the Super Bowl.

32 RTLM  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:21:35pm

He never looks straight ahead.

(reader)

33 Charles  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:21:35pm

Stood for change... you stood for change... then others stood for change ... zzzZZZzzz...

34 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:21:55pm

I hate to break it ya but Louisville didn't stand up for ya!

35 MandyManners  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:22:06pm

I'm sitting for change.

36 lawhawk  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:22:08pm

I know completely OT, but this is just freaky. Two men were found dead in Bergen County today - one of gunshots and discovered in a restaurant parking lot. The second man, found with stab wounds in an apartment complex in Fair Lawn, is literally in my back yard. They're not sure if any foul play in the Fair Lawn death. Other reports are suggesting that the man was despondent over the death of his wife a short time ago.

37 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:22:13pm
38 Roentgen  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:22:13pm

B-Ho change.

39 Charles  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:22:16pm

The crowd is doing the woot woot thing.

40 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:22:25pm

re: #30 Occasional Reader

Maybe not wrong, but kind of kinky. Well... maybe kinky. What the hell is "flop sweat"?

Nervous perspiration cause by fear of failure in front of an audience.

41 IslandLibertarian  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:22:49pm

What a shame that the first African-American to get this close to the presidency is this Left-Wing-Double-Talking-Back-pedaling Snapping Poodle.
How could this have happened? It is beyond The Twilight Zone.
.........oh, wait.......Rove? Cheney?........naw....couldn't be..........

NObama!

42 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:22:52pm

re: #36 lawhawk

I know completely OT, but this is just freaky. Two men were found dead in Bergen County today - one of gunshots and discovered in a restaurant parking lot. The second man, found with stab wounds in an apartment complex in Fair Lawn, is literally in my back yard. They're not sure if any foul play in the Fair Lawn death. Other reports are suggesting that the man was despondent over the death of his wife a short time ago.

It's in my backyard also.

43 Charles  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:22:59pm

He's tossing Hillary a bone.

44 RTLM  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:23:11pm

Those are amazingly large ears.

45 Truck Monkey  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:23:13pm

re: #33 Charles

Stood for change... you stood for change... then others stood for change ... zzzZZZzzz...

Have you ever been given change whilst sitting down?

46 maddogg  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:23:30pm

Cripes! Thats alls I can take, I can't take nomore! *click*

47 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:23:40pm

re: #43 Charles

He's tossing Hillary a bone.

There's a sexual joke there but I'll pass.

48 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:23:48pm

Wait... Hillary "change" too? Change good! I vote for Hillary now!

49 Roentgen  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:23:48pm

re: #43 Charles

He's tossing Hillary a bone.

I hope she buries it.

50 Cognito  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:23:52pm

re: #39 Charles

The crowd is doing the woot woot thing.

He's ready to take over the Arsenio Hall of Power.

51 acapesket123  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:24:00pm

re: #4 maddogg
Mentioned on the last thread this is Ted's last hurrah, he will be dragged out for Obambi until he can't.

Then his extended family will pick up the dreg.

The Kennedy's have their final thrust invested in this election.

There will be a sympathy vote a mile long.

Look at this Obambi speech.

It's not only in poor taste, it's embarassing.

52 Dr. Shalit  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:24:20pm

re: #33 Charles

Charles -

Standing Around for "Change" can become very tiring. Especially when all 'y'all have to do a load of clothes.

-S-

53 joecitizen  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:24:35pm

re: #43 Charles

He's tossing Hillary a bone.

which is more than she prolly gets from billyjeff..

54 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:24:36pm

"out bush"?

55 The Shadow Do  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:24:37pm

This guy is amazingly................mundane.

56 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:24:47pm

He's... running against Bush, again.

57 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:25:04pm

re: #43 Charles

He's tossing Hillary a bone.

My mind's eye is now blind.

58 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:25:21pm

Tough and aggressive diplomacy! Without preconditions, of course.

59 Charles  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:25:34pm

"The fear of tough and aggressive diplomacy."

Wow. Orwell would blanche at that one.

60 maddogg  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:25:38pm

re: #51 acapesket123


There will be a sympathy vote a mile long.

Not in Kentucky! Or in the rest of the south, I'll bet.

61 lawhawk  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:25:40pm

re: #23 Occasional Reader

Young people who've been inspired for the very first time... by ME ME ME ME ME!

Kneel before Zod!

Vote Zod2008.

62 BignJames  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:25:44pm

re: #57 OldLineTexan


Doh!

63 DesertSage  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:25:46pm

That's it, bash McCain. That will get you elected......NOT!

Moron!

64 RTLM  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:25:51pm

Obama,

France, UK, Italy...

65 Irene NYC  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:25:54pm

Well, frankly I'm bored. Same old. Same old.

So, how about a thread on that Drudge story about our brilliant D.C. politicos - "House passes bill to sue OPEC over oil prices".

That would be a lot of fun!

66 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:26:16pm

Go ahead, tell some more lies about McCain.

/yes we can!

67 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:26:22pm
68 infidel Alan  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:26:29pm

"Change, change, change"

69 lawhawk  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:26:31pm

re: #59 Charles

"The fear of tough and aggressive diplomacy."

Wow. Orwell would blanche at that one.

Funny, but I wonder what Metternich and Castlereagh would think of that.

Then again, I doubt that Obama's ever heard of either guy.

70 Jim in Virginia  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:26:34pm

Any idea why Barry is celebrating his Oregon victory in Iowa? Is this another example of his geography skill?

71 Roentgen  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:26:39pm

re: #59 Charles

"The fear of tough and aggressive diplomacy."

Wow. Orwell would blanche at that one.

Terrorists worldwide must be shaking in their boots.

72 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:26:48pm

re: #56 Occasional Reader

He's... running against Bush, again.

Hillary did that earlier. They can't help it. Running against Bush is like Dem crack...

73 Dr. Shalit  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:26:51pm

re: #54 Nevergiveup

"out bush"?

"N-G-U" -

Think he really means "Bush Out!"

-S-

74 joecitizen  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:26:58pm

this cat will NEVER be president..I'm just sayin'...

75 RTLM  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:27:06pm

... and Germany.

76 BignJames  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:27:10pm

re: #58 Occasional Reader


What? Strongly worded letters?

77 Truck Monkey  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:27:17pm

re: #58 Occasional Reader

Tough and aggressive diplomacy! Without preconditions, of course.

What is exactly tough and aggressive diplomacy?

78 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:27:39pm

re: #68 infidel Alan

"Change, change, change"

/code word for socialism

79 Roentgen  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:27:50pm

re: #77 Truck Monkey

What is exactly tough and aggressive diplomacy?

An oxymoron.

80 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:27:55pm

Is there ANYTHING this guy is not promising?

81 Charles  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:28:03pm

Turn off the TV, take away the video games...

82 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:28:08pm

He's going to MAKE the oil companies invest their profits in renewable energy.

MAKE them.

Private companies.

Think about it.

OH, and now he's going to MAKE parents read to their children?

83 maddogg  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:28:20pm

re: #74 joecitizen

this cat will NEVER be president..I'm just sayin'...

He be a long legged pimp daddy!

84 Opinionated  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:28:21pm

Change is whatever you imagine it is.

Obama imagines it as Socialism.

85 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:28:23pm
86 Charles  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:28:26pm

You first, Barack.

87 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:28:31pm

re: #79 Roentgen

An oxymoron.

I'm gonna steal that if you don't mind?

88 Irene NYC  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:28:32pm

Chain, chain, chain....Chain of fools.

/channeling ARETHA!

89 DesertSage  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:28:47pm

I really can't stand this man.
Really!

90 UncleSam  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:28:53pm

Time to change the channel.

91 Charles  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:28:57pm

Think Barack's kids own any video games?

92 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:29:11pm

re: #77 Truck Monkey

What is exactly tough and aggressive diplomacy?

I think it involves stamping your feet and holding your breath until you turn blue.

93 Roentgen  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:29:20pm

re: #87 Nevergiveup

I'm gonna steal that if you don't mind?

All yours, bro.

94 Charles  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:29:21pm

How many TVs do you think are in his mansion?

95 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:29:23pm
96 nigella  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:29:39pm

Watched Fox news coverage for a time and they went over, and over, and over saying Hillary would be Obama's VP. Everyone they talked to they asked. Seems they are trying to make sure she is the VP. My question is do you all think that would be a winning ticket? Besides that I don't think I can take another minute of that "change" routine. Can't he come up with something new........

97 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:29:41pm

he can't add either- Bush has been office for 7 years not 4

98 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:29:44pm
Tough diplomacy

/and unilateral disarmament

99 wong fei hung  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:29:48pm

Bear witness, as our Lord, the great "Obama", turns blood into whine.

100 jamgarr  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:29:59pm

The future is a good thing

101 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:30:12pm

re: #67 buzzsawmonkey

You think that's bad? My mother sent me that old "George Bush's grandpa played footsie with the Nazis" stuff today. Like it means anything--especially when the man has little over 7 months to go.

Oh, on CSPAN this morning (what? "geek"? ME?!), I heard a caller declare that Prescott Bush was imprisoned for treason. Who cares about facts?

(I was pleased to note that the Wiki entry for Prescott is remarkably fair.)

102 Charles  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:30:23pm

What's on Barack Obama's bookshelf?

103 MandyManners  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:30:25pm

He's telling parents to take away video games?

MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS, BHO.

If I want advice on how to raise The Kid, I'll ask my family, my friends and pediatrician.

104 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:30:28pm

CAN WHAT?

105 Truck Monkey  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:30:31pm

re: #70 Jim in Virginia

Any idea why Barry is celebrating his Oregon victory in Iowa? Is this another example of his geography skill?

Isn't the next primary scheduled for the 53rd state of New East Iowa? Duh....

106 jamgarr  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:30:38pm

"Lost weekend"?

107 The Shadow Do  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:30:45pm

re: #94 Charles

How many TVs do you think are in his mansion?

twenty seven, more or less.

108 MandyManners  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:30:51pm

re: #94 Charles

How many TVs do you think are in his mansion?


Two channels: PBS and CNN.

109 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:30:53pm

Can't stomach the hussein.
Anyone know the R results from KY?

110 6pat6  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:31:02pm

Change! Hope! Yes we can! We can change! Hope for a can! Change cans! We can hope! Hope we can! Hope we change! Hope we can change, yes!

111 The Shadow Do  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:31:11pm

re: #102 Charles

What's on Barack Obama's bookshelf?

The world according to Garp

112 MandyManners  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:31:12pm

re: #108 MandyManners

Two channels: PBS and CNN.

Okay, three: MSNBC.

113 Roentgen  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:31:14pm

re: #102 Charles

What's on Barack Obama's bookshelf?

Karl Marx

114 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:31:18pm

re: #102 Charles

What's on Barack Obama's bookshelf?

Franz Fanon.

115 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:31:36pm

re: #113 Roentgen

Karl Marx

Your hot tonight

116 Favre4Favre  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:31:37pm

I was just down there and was damn near assaulted by those who dont want to answer questions

117 6pat6  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:31:44pm

re: #102 Charles

Mein Kampf
The Communist Manifesto
The Turner Diaries

Hell, who knows!

118 Irene NYC  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:32:02pm

Thank you lizards for writing such informative yet amusing comments cuz I just can't stomach watching him.

119 freetoken  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:32:10pm

Well, in the final vote tally in KY:

Obama: 209,771 out of 701,127 votes, or 29.9191%.

How can anyone believe he will be able to carry the counties in the US that went "red" in the 2004 election?

120 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:32:10pm

re: #103 MandyManners

He's telling parents to take away video games?

MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS, BHO.

If I want advice on how to raise The Kid, I'll ask my family, my friends and pediatrician.

Obama is going to move you out of your comfort zone, Mandy. OR ELSE!

121 snowcrash  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:32:11pm

No area of my life will be safe from govt. meddling if this man is elected.

122 offendi  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:32:12pm

I hope Senator Byrd makes a campaign commercial for Obama.

heh. heh.

123 markx  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:32:15pm

yeah, change is coming...

... and it ain't going to be pretty if O'bambi gets elected.

124 Charles  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:32:25pm

He's yelling now. Selma.

125 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:32:33pm

He's going to desegregate Selma! Hooray!

126 MandyManners  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:32:38pm

re: #120 Occasional Reader

Obama is going to move you out of your comfort zone, Mandy. OR ELSE!

He's gonna' move my cheese?

127 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:32:40pm
making phone calls to perfect strangers

/like these guys?

128 Favre4Favre  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:32:42pm

I hope they like the can of Bull shit spray i deployed, that shit reeks and it was comedy gold!

129 The Shadow Do  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:32:45pm

Oh God, he's talking about spirit! Ok Joe, have you seen the Mahdi today? Just wonerin'

130 Locke/Demosthenes  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:32:52pm

He's getting cocky and that will be his undoing. At first it was nothing but hope and change without specifics to try to appeal to as many people as possible while offending no one. Now that he's got the nomination, he's so confident of himself that he's feeling free to show everyone just how radically leftist he is, cause he thinks they like him for it. When you get the nomination, you're supposed to swing to the center. Guess he didn't get the message.

131 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:33:03pm

He "worked as an organizer"!

I guess he threw lots of Trapper Keepers out of job.

132 6pat6  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:33:05pm

Charles, I'm glad YOU can watch him, because he turns my stomach anytime I hear his voice!

133 MandyManners  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:33:06pm

Demagogue.

134 Charles  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:33:07pm

Not a single word of substance. Not one.

135 BignJames  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:33:10pm

re: #102 Charles

What's on Barack Obama's bookshelf?


I'm gonna guess....dust.

136 jamgarr  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:33:14pm

"Lost weekend"!
"Lost weekend"!
"Lost weekend"!

137 markx  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:33:29pm

re: #125 Occasional Reader

He's going to desegregate Selma! Hooray!

Is that Alabama burning I smell?

138 yochanan  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:33:38pm

re: #102 Charles

What's on Barack Obama's bookshelf?

dos kapital, collected works of v.i. lenin

139 Irene NYC  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:33:38pm

re: #119 freetoken

WOW! He didn't even break 30% in Kentucky?

140 DesertSage  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:33:38pm

re: #96 nigella

Watched Fox news coverage for a time and they went over, and over, and over saying Hillary would be Obama's VP. Everyone they talked to they asked. Seems they are trying to make sure she is the VP. My question is do you all think that would be a winning ticket? Besides that I don't think I can take another minute of that "change" routine. Can't he come up with something new........

Hillary will NEVER take the VP position. What's in it for her?
Eight years of playing second fiddle? Only to find herself running again for POTUS in 2016....at 70 years old?

No, Hillary will sabotage Obama this election so she can run against McCain in 2012. She wants the presidency....not the VP slot. She wants real power.

141 6pat6  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:33:40pm

re: #125 Occasional Reader

He's going to disintegrate Selma! What did Selma ever do to him?
/

142 Dan G.  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:33:58pm

re: #17 infidel Alan

It doesn't sound like a large crowd at all.

No concert was held prior to the event.

143 joecitizen  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:34:01pm

re: #102 Charles

What's on Barack Obama's bookshelf?


Lessee..Tom Hayden's autobio,The Decline of Western Civilisation,The Cliffs Notes Bible,shtuff like that..

144 infidel Alan  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:34:12pm

What a gasbag! A veritable fountain of leftspeak cliches.

145 lawhawk  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:34:27pm

re: #102 Charles

What's on Barack Obama's bookshelf?

He reads? No... Obama absorbs....

146 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:35:03pm
147 Opinionated  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:35:03pm

Change is really beginning to grate on me.

We've got our issues.

But does America need changing? Is it so bad?

Do you realize with his constant call for changing America he concedes he has the same contempt of America as his wife and Wright.

148 Truck Monkey  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:35:12pm

re: #125 Occasional Reader

He's going to desegregate Selma! Hooray!

Wasn't Selma on Good Times with JJ and Rerun...... or was it Rog. I forget. All I know is that Shirley Hemphill was HOT!

149 The Shadow Do  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:35:15pm

re: #140 DesertSage

Hillary will NEVER take the VP position. What's in it for her?
Eight years of playing second fiddle? Only to find herself running again for POTUS in 2016....at 70 years old?

No, Hillary will sabotage Obama this election so she can run against McCain in 2012. She wants the presidency....not the VP slot. She wants real power.

Yeah, Bill will really enjoy being third fiddle at the White House.

150 asshander  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:35:16pm

I think this is on topic about BHO.

From bastiat dot org site commenting on Frederic Bastiat's The Law:

At this point in the original French text, Mr. Bastiat pauses and speaks thusly to all do-gooders and would-be rulers of mankind: "Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."

151 6pat6  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:35:19pm

Hillary has shit up her sleeve on B. Hussein, I think that is a guarantee! And he is scared to death of her. And her hubby.

152 maddogg  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:35:27pm

Obama knows how to respect the intellect of his constituency.

153 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:35:29pm

He mentioned Selma. Hum- what is the name of that town that the Rev Wright is gonna soon be integrating?

154 norar  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:35:30pm

Yep, I'm listening to it now. He is even more of an empty pot than ever. It sounds like he is compaining against Bush. Change is coming, we can, American people can, yadayadayada; nothing about how or when.

I'm more and more amazed at how this preposterous guy got so far.

155 lawhawk  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:35:55pm

If Obama became President, I'm sure this will come to an end.

156 Roentgen  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:35:56pm

re: #145 lawhawk

He reads? No... Obama absorbs....

Yes, yes...SpongeObamSquarePants

157 MarkX  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:35:57pm

For some reason Triumph of the Will popped in my head tonight.

/ chilled

158 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:36:25pm

re: #148 Truck Monkey

Wasn't Selma on Good Times with JJ and Rerun...... or was it Rog. I forget. All I know is that Shirley Hemphill was HOT!

Dy-no-mite!

159 nigella  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:36:26pm

Obama is not confident in his abilities and qualifications to be our next President, he believes he is the chosen one. I really think he is so full of himself that he believes all this "savior", Messiah" ,"Uniter", talk from the lowly masses . In his mind he is the second coming and invincible. Scary!

160 wong fei hung  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:36:28pm

I know what's on Obama's bookshelf:

His nuts. That's where Michelle keeps 'em.

161 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:36:41pm
162 freetoken  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:37:06pm

re: #139 Irene NYC

Well, to two significant digits he got "30%", but not if you go to three digits....

My point is... the Obama campaign keeps saying they can reach out to independents and even Republicans, as a selling point that Obama can do better than Kerry and Gore.

However, it would seem to me that the loss of several key traditional ("FDR") Democrat voters will be more than large enough to offset any gain from "independents".

163 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:37:12pm

Good night, Lizards--I'm noddy off!

164 maddogg  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:37:15pm

re: #159 nigella

Obama is not confident in his abilities and qualifications to be our next President, he believes he is the chosen one. I really think he is so full of himself that he believes all this "savior", Messiah" ,"Uniter", talk from the lowly masses . In his mind he is the second coming and invincible. Scary!


No, he's just an idiot.

165 Opinionated  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:37:16pm

re: #134 Charles

Not a single word of substance. Not one.

That's because you've heard it all before.

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
Ah

ah, ah, ah, ah, ah...

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
all right, all right, all right
all right, all right, all right

166 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:37:18pm

re: #155 lawhawk

If Obama became President, I'm sure this will come to an end.

Yes- if you are in the NYC area starting tomorrow. Be nice to a Sailor. it is Fleet Week. The sailor you meet is someone's son, husband, father, and it might even be me.

167 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:37:25pm

Wow, a CNN talking head just said, and I quote, "he talked substance".

Erm, I must've missed that part.

168 6pat6  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:38:11pm

Obamabananaramalamadingdong is full of Obama-love. He sees himself as a great orator,able to fill the masses with "hope" and such non-tangibles.

Hitler was pretty good at that crap, too, IIRC.

169 Emery Calame  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:38:14pm

Obama is starting to remind me of Wile E. Coyote, super-GEENius.

He just hasn't crashed his acme "rocketman" suit into the cliff wall yet and had reality stop to look at him for a instant and say "meep meep" just before he plummets to the dessert floor which a "why me?" look on his face.

170 Truck Monkey  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:38:27pm

Isn't there something good on the idiot box, Like a Hildabeast speech or something...

171 rorschach  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:38:29pm

I scream! You scream! WE ALL SCREAM FOR

change ...ya-a-a-y!
172 IslandLibertarian  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:38:44pm

Obama: A one trick Snapping-Poodle, whom I will from now on call "Sweety".

NObama!

173 NY Nana  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:38:45pm

re: #44 RTLM

Those are amazingly large ears.

Why yes they are!

174 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:38:59pm

I can't see them, but I think ALL the CNN commentators are liberals. Surprise, surprise. And naturally, they're saying the speech was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

175 beachkatie  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:39:07pm

re: #163 goddessoftheclassroom
Sweetdreams to you! :)

176 cincinnati_kid37  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:39:11pm

Go Barack... Go....

If Gore and Kerry can't get the votes, you think this dude....?

Either of them for that matter.

177 yochanan  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:39:14pm

re: #166 Nevergiveup

we got a squid in here. hehe well i was born at great lakes navy hosp.

178 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:39:16pm

I've never been prouder of Kentucky. We, here in the Bluegrass, see through the BS that is barack hussein obama.

179 DesertSage  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:39:33pm

re: #167 Occasional Reader

Wow, a CNN talking head just said, and I quote, "he talked substance".

Erm, I must've missed that part.

So you're they guy who watches CNN.
I was wondering who their viewer was.

180 6pat6  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:39:38pm

BHO reminds me of that incessant bullshit '70s claptrap by John Lennon, "Imagine".

THAT could well be a fitting campaign song for that nit.

181 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:39:47pm

Hey, that guy's got the same Sony camera I do.

182 MarkX  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:39:51pm

re: #161 buzzsawmonkey

Speaking of YouTube, try this version.

I don't know to laugh or cry. But I do think of O'bambi.

183 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:40:18pm

re: #157 MarkX

For some reason Triumph of the Will popped in my head tonight.

/ chilled



Have you see this?

Feeling down right frosty.

184 yochanan  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:40:21pm

re: #173 NY Nana

Why yes they are!

he could fly with those

185 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:40:34pm

It's interesting to watch the USSS guys scanning the crowd.

186 Jim in Virginia  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:40:41pm

re: #134 Charles

Not a single word of substance. Not one.

And this is a surprise how?
No cable here but no loss, had I watched him shill I'd have thrown something big and heavy at the TV. Reading comments here I got the gist and the humor without the pain.
Thank yew for the internet, Algore.

187 6pat6  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:40:44pm

re: #172 IslandLibertarian

NObama!

I've seen that bumper sticker already!

188 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:41:18pm

re: #177 yochanan

we got a squid in here. hehe well i was born at great lakes navy hosp.

That's Officer Squid to you!

189 6pat6  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:42:10pm

Squids.

190 Dr. Shalit  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:42:12pm

Everyone -

"Aggressive Diplomacy" =

1. STFD

2. STFU

Two things that OBAMA has real problems saying to anyone who HATES AMERICA AS MUCH OR MORE THAN HE DOES - Yup, I said it AND I MEAN IT!

-S-

191 yochanan  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:42:20pm

i am thinking of printing stickers that just say NO! with the 'O' being the obama 'O'

192 IslandLibertarian  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:42:41pm

re: #187 6pat6

I've seen that bumper sticker already!

Wait for this one.........

Z
E
R
Obama!

193 Bacchus's daddy  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:42:48pm

re: #95 buzzsawmonkey

Grand Theft Election.

LMAO!

194 Favre4Favre  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:42:54pm

i had to wear my hip waiters

195 Slumbering Behemoth  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:42:57pm

Yup, that tears it, I'm voting for John McClane.

Yippie kay yay!

196 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:43:12pm

re: #174 Occasional Reader

I can't see them, but I think ALL the CNN commentators are liberals. Surprise, surprise. And naturally, they're saying the speech was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Natch.

Just flipped to Chrissy Matthews and the Olberdink gushing like school girls at a Beatles concert.

197 6pat6  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:43:16pm

Don't forget his mention of "tiny Iran" as something that is not a threat to the US. Just the knuckelefuck I want as POTUS, yeah, change, go!

198 Roentgen  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:43:37pm

re: #183 jcm


Have you see this?

Feeling down right frosty.

I was feeling well until I watched that clip. Bad music + misplaced optimism--what does this say about the future of Mankind?

199 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:43:48pm

re: #195 Slumbering Behemoth

Yup, that tears it, I'm voting for John McClane.

Yippie kay yay!

And we all know who John McClane will be voting for!

200 nigella  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:43:56pm

Aggressive diplomacy .......can't we use that as a revolving slogan? That's almost as good as getting a strongly worded letter from the UN.

201 NY Nana  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:44:00pm

re: #138 yochanan

You forgot his and Shrillary's idol, the commie Saul Alinsky.

202 jaunte  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:44:01pm

Katherine Lopez at the Corner just got a fresh new email from Barack.
No substance there, either.

"Too many of us have been disappointed by politics and politicians more times than you can count. We've seen promises broken and good ideas drowned in a sea of influence, point-scoring, and petty bickering that has consumed Washington.

Yet, in spite of all the doubt and disappointment — or perhaps because of it — people have stood for change.

Unfortunately, our opponents in the other party continue to embrace yesterday's policies and they will continue to employ yesterday's tactics — they will try to change the subject, and they will play on fears and divisions to distract us from what matters to you and your future. "


[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

203 yochanan  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:44:32pm

re: #188 Nevergiveup

my pops was in both the navy and army
you might have heard of pearl harbor and the c-v 6

i was a army brat. so all i will say is YES SIR

204 6pat6  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:44:57pm

NObama!re: #194 Favre4Favre

hip waiters

I'm picturing a couple of WAITERS on your hip - must be painful!

205 Irene NYC  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:45:04pm

re: #162 freetoken

I got your point and concur.

However, Obama did not break 30% in Kentucky - and it doesn't matter how many digits in you go. Rounding up does not magically give you the votes.
;)

206 MarkX  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:45:33pm

re: #183 jcm

Barf.
Sorry I could only make it :45 into it.

207 Dirk Diggler  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:45:37pm

I can't wait for Barack Hussein to make change.

Ordinary Americans should not be forced to carry around large denominations of bills in their wallets and purses.

208 NY Nana  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:45:39pm

re: #184 yochanan

he could fly with those

/And would save so much money on air fare.

209 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:45:47pm

re: #196 loppyd

Natch.

Just flipped to Chrissy Matthews and the Olberdink gushing like school girls at a Beatles concert.


You could probably power a small city with all that tingling.

210 Irene NYC  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:45:53pm

re: #166 Nevergiveup

We New Yorkers are always nice to our sailors!

211 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:45:56pm

re: #198 Roentgen

I was feeling well until I watched that clip. Bad music + misplaced optimism--what does this say about the future of Mankind?

I love the, "basically, ahhhh, I want the war to end."

I'd like to say, "sweetie, we didn't throw this little war, it ends when the other side says it does."

212 Maine's Michael  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:46:11pm

re: #134 Charles

Not a single word of substance. Not one.

But he's got great style.

And, apparently, its all about style.

He is an awesome orator. He has natural talent, AND, he's been studying tapes of MLK and JFK, if you ask me.

A combined BHO/HRC ticket may very well soundly beat McCain, if Obama does not stumble badly with some new scandle/revelation.

Kiss your tax cuts goodbye, folks.

Say hello to Mahmoud Achmadinejad.

Israeli F16I's are warming up their engines.

213 Favre4Favre  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:46:25pm

re: #204 6pat6

but they were cute

214 maddogg  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:46:37pm

President Obama; December 8, 1941....Japan is tiny compared to Russia and China, they are no threat to the US. I will talk to them without precondition, I'm sure tough and aggressive diplomacy will prevail....

215 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:46:51pm

re: #206 MarkX

Barf.
Sorry I could only make it :45 into it.

Doesn't get any better, if you keep going.

216 LEGION  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:46:52pm

He's speaking? So what, who cares, what can he say that makes any sense? He's full of bull feathers and is an extreme loser. Ignore him. Well, must go clutch my bible and gun and rant about the illegals now.

217 6pat6  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:46:52pm

re: #209 Occasional Reader

Chrissy Matthews and the Olberdink gushing like school girls

That just paints a horrid mental image!

218 6pat6  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:47:25pm

re: #213 Favre4Favre

LOL!

219 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:47:27pm

re: #195 Slumbering Behemoth

Yup, that tears it, I'm voting for John McClane.

Yippie kay yay!

He'd definitely get my vote.

(My only beef with him; arguably, the rogue military terrorists could have run Dulles Airport better.)

220 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:47:32pm

re: #207 Dirk Diggler

I can't wait for Barack Hussein to make change.

Ordinary Americans should not be forced to carry around large denominations of bills in their wallets and purses.

Ironically, most people under the age of 30 don't know how to make change.

221 jaunte  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:47:39pm

re: #214 maddogg

What is tough and aggressive diplomacy?
Did he define that?

222 funky chicken  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:47:39pm

[Link: campaignspot.nationalreview.com...]

Free Rock Concert Preceded Big Obama Rally in Portland

Hugh Hewitt just told me that right before Obama addressed that huge crowd in Portland, the indie rock band the Decemberists played a free 45-minute concert. Now, I'm sure Obama would draw a big crowd either way, but wasn't that worth mentioning in the coverage?

From Wikipedia: "Named both in reference to the Russian Decembrist Revolt (which may explain its use of the National Anthem of the Soviet Union as an introduction at many concerts)..." Lovely.

I wonder if they played, "Sixteen Military Wives." The video depicts a bully named "Henry Stowecroft" (Kissinger and Brent?) representing the United States in a grade school model United Nations who declares war on Luxembourg. I kid you not when I tell you the video begins with the bully putting on a flag pin.

Yeah, this guy would be a great Commander in Chief.

223 Syrah  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:48:09pm

re: #102 Charles

What's on Barack Obama's bookshelf?

Rules for Radicals and Reveille for Radicals.

224 6pat6  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:48:15pm
Chrissy Matthews and the Olberdink gushing like school girls

Way too much tingling going on there!

225 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:48:22pm

re: #217 6pat6

That just paints a horrid mental image!

I like to think of the off screen cat fights they have....

226 maddogg  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:48:43pm

re: #221 jaunte

What is tough and aggressive diplomacy?
Did he define that?

Translation: kissing enemy ass and asking them to play nice.

227 jamgarr  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:48:49pm

re: #220 loppyd

Ironically, most people under the age of 30 don't know how to make change.

Not true - they look at the register and give you the coins it tells them to - that's making change.

228 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:49:26pm

re: #209 Occasional Reader

You could probably power a small city with all that tingling.

Producer: Hands above the desk, Matthews.

229 jaunte  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:49:32pm

re: #226 maddogg

I'm guessing he was no student of history.

230 Jim in Virginia  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:49:35pm

re: #211 jcm

I love the, "basically, ahhhh, I want the war to end."

I'd like to say, "sweetie, we didn't throw this little war, it ends when the other side says it does."


I liked "I want the world to like America."

McCain is a lucky politician. If Hillary gets the nomination the Dems will split. If Obama gets it he will make McGovern look good.

231 sngnsgt  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:49:38pm

I'm not sure which is worse, Obama's phoney southern preacher speak or Hillary's screech?

232 Slumbering Behemoth  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:50:25pm

re: #95 buzzsawmonkey

I can't really do a good job of following the comments here because I don't have the channel y'all are watching (no cable), but I just wanted to let you know I thought your #95 was effing awesome.

Grand Theft Election, that had me laughing hard.

233 Roentgen  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:50:31pm

re: #102 Charles

What's on Barack Obama's bookshelf?

"The Textbook of French Military Victories"

234 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:50:43pm

Celts lead Pistons by 10 with a little over 6 mins left in the game....

235 quickjustice  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:50:53pm

Invoking "Selma" is code to his black supporters. It's like the word "bamboozled", which was a favorite of Malcolm X's, and which Obama has adopted. Obama is playing on people's fears, to paraphrase Gore.

It may lack substance as far as a white listener is concerned, but it's loaded with "Reverend Wright" types of references that resonate with black voters. I'm afraid the racial polarization of Obama's campaign is complete. The upcoming convention and general election campaign will be the young black guy beating up the old white guy both directly and through surrogates.

We're about to find out if McCain is Bob Dole. Another commentator has noted how ineffective McCain's criticism of Obama on Iran was here (via Instapundit):

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

236 sngnsgt  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:50:56pm

Bob Beckel's eyes are spinning counter-clockwise on Fox. Change!

237 6pat6  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:51:04pm

Tough an daggressive diplomacy - Obama-style:

"Please be nice to us! We will unconditionally kiss your ass, give you everything you want without condition, and wipe Israel off the planet along with you. Does that sound OK to you, because we don't want to make you mad or anything like that, praise whats-his-name, pork
n'beans be upon him..."

238 yochanan  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:51:09pm

TURNED ON DANCING WITH THE STARS could not take the bull from the obamamassiah

239 maddogg  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:51:10pm

re: #233 Roentgen

"The Textbook of French Military Victories"

"abridged".

240 The Shadow Do  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:51:37pm

All the newsies are going to sit around and analyze, I don't know, just what? A phantasm?

To most folks, I suspect, this guys persona is a bit blurry? Time to flesh this cat out to John Q. or so methinks. There is time to get this done? What, who is the vehicle?

241 Favre4Favre  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:51:57pm

re: #218 6pat6

Duct tape would make them doable

242 Dr. Shalit  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:52:02pm

re: #231 sngnsgt

"sarge" -

Obama is worse, he looks like the "D" winner. With luck, start worrying about the screech again in 2011.

-S-

243 beachkatie  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:52:09pm

re: #226 maddoggWE will give you what you want just go away! Obama policy....Demoocrats policies!

244 sngnsgt  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:52:12pm

re: #238 yochanan

TURNED ON DANCING WITH THE STARS could not take the bull from the obamamassiah

I just hit mute.

245 gearhead  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:52:31pm

He has such a pretty voice. It's a pity he has nothing to say.

Here's a tip, Obama. Diplomacy, even the tough and aggressive kind, is worth nothing if the other side doesn't fear either your military or your capitalists.

246 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:52:43pm

Why are they giving Bob Beckel all this free time?

247 yochanan  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:53:03pm

re: #239 maddogg

"abridged".

we have a winner ding ding ding

248 beachkatie  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:53:03pm

re: #243 beachkatieThe perfect storm!

249 Adina in Judea  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:53:03pm

This guy alternates between complete emptiness to utter horror.

He has no other settings.

250 29Victor  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:53:10pm

I missed the memo. Do we drink the Kool-Aid now?

251 Da_Beerfreak  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:53:47pm

Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine.
-= DRINK! =-
// {;-)™

252 gearhead  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:53:53pm
re: #102 Charles

What's on Barack Obama's bookshelf?

A geography textbook - with the shrinkwrap intact.

253 6pat6  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:54:10pm

re: #227 jamgarr

re: #220 loppyd

Ironically, most people under the age of 30 don't know how to make change.

Not true - they look at the register and give you the coins it tells them to - that's making change.

And then, hand you the bills, coins, AND the receipt all back to you in one hand! THAT is one thing that really pisses me off, because that is plain laziness in action! They were not trained correctly, nor do they give a shit. When this happens, I insist they count the change back to me CORRECTLY and them place the receipt separately in the bag. I've delayed checkout lines doing this, because they need to do it RIGHT!

254 Dr. Shalit  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:54:30pm

re: #250 29Victor

29Vic -

Depends on who is MIXING the Kool-Aid.

-S-

255 sngnsgt  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:54:35pm

re: #246 Nevergiveup

Why are they giving Bob Beckel all this free time?

I bet Beckel is paying for his moonbat speak by the minute out of his own pocket.

256 Roentgen  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:54:44pm

re: #252 gearhead

A geography textbook - with the shrinkwrap intact.

Yes, including all 57 states.

257 6pat6  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:56:11pm

re: #256 Roentgen

Yes, including all 57 [islamic] states. Corrected that for you.

258 Dr. Shalit  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:57:08pm

For the "D" Convention - Re-Create (19) '68

For the General Election - Re-Create (19) '28

Look it up and comment.

-S-

259 droolboy  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:57:18pm

I propose a new word: "Obamaton": a zealous, hypnotized follower of the Church of Obama who obediently repeats phrases like "Yes We Can", and can't actually name a single Obama policy position. ex: "the room was filled with Obamatons, gazing lovingly at his holiness Obama and cheering intermittently as he spoke of Change." My apologies if someone's already thought of this one.

260 The Shadow Do  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:57:40pm

re: #214 maddogg

President Obama; December 8, 1941....Japan is tiny compared to Russia and China, they are no threat to the US. I will talk to them without precondition, I'm sure tough and aggressive diplomacy will prevail....

You know what? That is the perfect rejoinder to BHO's claim that we must talk to our enemies and that we have in the past. The Japanese delegation was in Washington waiting for an audience when the first bombs were blasting Pear Harbor and murdering almost three thousand Americans (by the way, my Mom was among the wounded).

261 beachkatie  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:58:09pm

re: #251 Da_Beerfreak

Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine.
-= DRINK! =-
// {;-)™

see you tomorrow! Need more sleep! I don't make any sense any more!

262 snowcrash  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:58:18pm

I'm kinda demoralized about this whole Obama phenomenon. The huge crowds, the adoration by the media. It's weird. At least spell check doesn't recognize Obama.

263 maddogg  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:58:25pm

re: #243 beachkatie

WE will give you what you want just go away! Obama policy....Demoocrats policies!

That strategy worked out really well for the Romans, those Gauls had a lot of gall to come back and sack the place. They had their own version of change.

264 6pat6  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:58:38pm

re: #260 The Shadow Do

As was my father-in-law, RIP.

265 Roentgen  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:58:40pm

re: #257 6pat6

Yes, including all 57 [islamic] states. Corrected that for you.

I think these are the states that came into being using "tough and aggressive diplomacy" as a defense.

266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:59:11pm

pOOp.

267 Alouette  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:59:13pm

re: #102 Charles

What's on Barack Obama's bookshelf?

The Audacity of Hope by Barack Obama
Dreams From My Father by Barack Obama
Hopes & Dreams the Story of Barack Obama by Steve Dougherty
Barack Obama: An American Story by Roberta Edwards and Ken Call
Biography - Barack Obama by Barack Obama
Obama: From Promise to Power by David Mendell
Barack Obama: This Improbable Quest by John K. Wilson

268 6pat6  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:59:33pm

re: #265 Roentgen

Against their own people

269 gearhead  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:59:35pm

re: #266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

pOOp.

Feel better?

270 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, May 20, 2008 7:59:41pm

re: #70 Jim in Virginia

Any idea why Barry is celebrating his Oregon victory in Iowa? Is this another example of his geography skill?

He's going back to the womb. It's warm there.

271 6pat6  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:00:08pm

re: #269 gearhead

Part of happiness is a good poop.

272 itellu3times  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:00:28pm

re: #167 Occasional Reader

Wow, a CNN talking head just said, and I quote, "he talked substance".

Yes, let's talk substance. I love substance! Change, and substance! Substance, substance, substance! In my adminstration, I think Rev. Wright will be my secretary of substance! We will bring substance to everyone in the world! Yeaaaarrghhhh!

273 maddogg  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:00:49pm

re: #260 The Shadow Do

You know what? That is the perfect rejoinder to BHO's claim that we must talk to our enemies and that we have in the past. The Japanese delegation was in Washington waiting for an audience when the first bombs were blasting Pear Harbor and murdering almost three thousand Americans (by the way, my Mom was among the wounded).

Obama was too young to see "Tora! Tora! Tora! when it came out....

274 6pat6  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:00:59pm

re: #272 itellu3times

Secretary of Substances, maybe?

275 The Shadow Do  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:01:11pm

re: #264 6pat6

As was my father-in-law, RIP.

God bless, 6pat

276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:01:55pm

re: #272 itellu3times

pOOp! That's a substance.

277 6pat6  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:01:55pm

re: #275 The Shadow Do

I miss the man. He was 76 when he passed. Spoke very little about Pearl.

278 gearhead  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:01:59pm

re: #271 6pat6

Part of happiness is a good poop.

Or a warm gun. Handle both with care.

279 dahveed  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:02:11pm

re: #255 sngnsgt

I bet Beckel is paying for his moonbat speak by the minute out of his own pocket.

I just hope Beckel is an advisor to Obama. I mean he did real well when Mondale ran for President.

280 6pat6  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:02:17pm

re: #278 gearhead

Indeed

281 Dirk Diggler  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:02:29pm

loppyd,

Celts lead Pistons by 10 with a little over 6 mins left in the game....

I didn't know you were a Celtics fan loppy.

282 freetoken  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:02:44pm

Well, it is 8:02 on the west coast... but the Oregon SoS so far has not kept their promise...

283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:02:54pm

re: #281 Dirk Diggler

Thanks for the reminder. TV? ON!

284 beachkatie  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:03:00pm

re: #263 maddogg

That strategy worked out really well for the Romans, those Gauls had a lot of gall to come back and sack the place. They had their own version of change.

Thankyou maddogg... Thats the way i think Obama Will handle The muslim country's!

285 6pat6  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:03:04pm

I'm outta here. Night, all.

286 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:03:06pm

G'night Jim Bob!

287 The Shadow Do  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:03:27pm

re: #271 6pat6

Part of happiness is a good poop.

Hoo boy, am I going to go where I should not -
There is nothing so over rated as good sex, or as under rated as a good crap.

/old guy

288 RTLM  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:03:42pm

Hey that was a slick graphic on Fox News.

289 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:03:48pm

Oregon returns.re: #282 freetoken

Well, it is 8:02 on the west coast... but the Oregon SoS so far has not kept their promise...

I'm watching too.

290 beachkatie  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:04:04pm

re: #285 6pat6

I'm outta here. Night, all.


Sweetdreams to you!

291 Syrah  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:04:33pm

Is Arlen Specter angling for a cabinet post in an Obama Administration?

292 gearhead  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:04:44pm

re: #285 6pat6

I'm outta here. Night, all.

G'night.

293 maddogg  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:04:46pm

re: #287 The Shadow Do

Hoo boy, am I going to go where I should not -
There is nothing so over rated as good sex, or as under rated as a good crap.

/old guy


Either you don't know how to screw, or I don't know how to crap.

294 beachkatie  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:05:10pm

re: #287 The Shadow Do

Hoo boy, am I going to go where I should not -
There is nothing so over rated as good sex, or as under rated as a good crap.

/old guy


Jeeezz!

295 Dr. Shalit  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:05:11pm

re: #264 6pat6

#'s 260 and 264 -

And My Uncle was at Pearl, an Army Draftee, luckily not hurt or killed. Funniest thing is that the Japanese Diplomats may NOT have been told about the attack either. Kurusu & Co. were allowed to return to Japan after war was declared - much like the Bin-Ladens and Saudi Royals were in mid Sept., 2001. Let mesay no more at this point. I am tired and turning in, enough silliness for one night from me.

-S-

296 sngnsgt  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:05:14pm

re: #279 dahveed

I just hope Beckel is an advisor to Obama. I mean he did real well when Mondale ran for President.

LOL! Yea, Beckel, Beckel, Beckel!

297 Favre4Favre  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:05:19pm

re: #270 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Sounds like an abortion is in order

298 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:05:31pm

re: #253 6pat6

And then, hand you the bills, coins, AND the receipt all back to you in one hand! THAT is one thing that really pisses me off, because that is plain laziness in action! They were not trained correctly, nor do they give a shit. When this happens, I insist they count the change back to me CORRECTLY and them place the receipt separately in the bag. I've delayed checkout lines doing this, because they need to do it RIGHT!

My HS and college (and sometimes present when I need extra cash) was at a farmstand/nursery. We were/are required to make change on our own and count it back to the customer. When I'm at a store I mentally count the change back before the clerk has had the time to look at the register telling her/him what the change should be.

And God forbid you give them the coins after they have punched in "amount tendered." LOL

299 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:05:36pm
300 RTLM  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:05:48pm

Mike Barron:

Eugene, OR.

(Compulsory vegetarianism)

lol

301 gearhead  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:05:49pm

Did I inadvertently turn this into the poop thread, or did Obama?

302 lummox  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:05:51pm

Ahhhh! The audacity of bullshit.

303 Attaboid  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:06:12pm

I thought that read "Obama Spreads in Iowa.
/need sleep.

304 beachkatie  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:06:27pm

re: #301 gearhead

Did I inadvertently turn this into the poop thread, or did Obama?

Both! :)

305 beachkatie  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:07:04pm

re: #303 Attaboid

I thought that read "Obama Spreads in Iowa.
/need sleep.


Sweetdreams!:)

306 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:07:25pm

re: #281 Dirk Diggler

loppyd,


I didn't know you were a Celtics fan loppy.

Total bandwagon. LOL

They just won!

307 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:07:50pm

OT

Holy crap has anyone here seen this yet? Wow! I've always known the press and the left are damaging us in the war, but to have it spelled out by Harvard sociologists no less.

Yes, You Really ARE Encouraging the Terrorists

308 loggiedog  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:08:32pm

Anyone remember the game Wing Commander? When you shoot down one of the Kilrathi fighters you hear "Noooooooooaaaagh!"

Iowa-- another victory for our enemies in Gaza and Teheran.

309 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:09:04pm

re: #304 beachkatie

Both! :)

The boys learned a new word in day care.

Poo-poo-head.

It's very entertaining how many ways 3 and 4 year old boys can figure out how to say the word while promising not to say it.

Dad, barely in control didn't help.

310 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:09:22pm

Please Mr. Obama, can I feed my kids all they want? Please?

311 gearhead  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:09:22pm

re: #303 Attaboid

I thought that read "Obama Spreads in Iowa.
/need sleep.

I hope that's not the last thing you think about before you fall asleep.

312 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:09:39pm
313 The Shadow Do  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:09:41pm

re: #277 6pat6

I miss the man. He was 76 when he passed. Spoke very little about Pearl.

My mom, a newlywed, was at Pearl not knowing my Dad had been just sent to Clark Field in the Philipines while she was in transit. Mom didn't say much either, but a relative saved a newspaper that told the tale. After suffering a concussion she worked for months as a hospital aid waiting for evacuation. There is more to the story, but I get a bit misty when I think of her and the remarkable life she lived.

314 sngnsgt  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:10:23pm

Operation chaos!

315 beachkatie  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:10:28pm

re: #305 beachkatie
It's almost WEDNESDAY! YEA< MID WEEK! Sweet dreams lizards! memorial weekend is a coming!

316 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:10:51pm

re: #309 jcm

The boys learned a new word in day care.

Poo-poo-head.

It's very entertaining how many ways 3 and 4 year old boys can figure out how to say the word while promising not to say it.

Dad, barely in control didn't help.

My brother's youngest two (4 & 6) are obsessed with the word poop, too. LOL

317 The Shadow Do  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:11:15pm

re: #293 maddogg

Either you don't know how to screw, or I don't know how to crap.

Forgot how to screw?

318 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:11:15pm

Is it OK if I eat this sandwich?

319 loggiedog  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:11:29pm

re: #316 loppyd

My brother's youngest two (4 & 6) are obsessed with the word poop, too. LOL

Perhaps they have Coprolalia?

320 Jefiner  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:11:34pm

He is an effeminate, metrosexual girlie-man!

And Michelle is the only one with cojones in the house . . .

This he-female will get us all killed with his blathering desires to confer with those who would destroy this country.

321 MacGregor  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:11:36pm

I turned the channel - it was just:
change change change bla change change hope change bla change hope change change change bla change change change change.

Just ridiculous.

322 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:12:32pm

re: #319 loggiedog

Perhaps they have Coprolalia?

Do I dare ask?

323 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:13:08pm

I'm decompressing from Barry by watching the beginning of Miami Vice again. This is really a damn good movie.

324 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:13:08pm

Should we take the CO2 out of soft drinks and beer, Mr. Obama?

It's a greenhouse gas you know.

America could Change and lead the way.

325 The Shadow Do  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:13:33pm

re: #294 beachkatie

Jeeezz!

OK, I'm laughing now. Sorry about that.

326 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:13:44pm

It's 11:00?

Holy poop!

Must go get my beauty sleep.

Have a good night, Lizard Nation!

327 Dirk Diggler  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:13:49pm

loppyd,

Total bandwagon. LOL

They just won!

Hey at least you're honest about it.

My money is on the Celts being matched up with San Antonio in the Finals. The Spurs may be the TV ratings equivalent of valium, but they've got the talent and the veteran experience to win it all again, and they will.

328 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:14:12pm

Ohhh, I over ate.


O I
_____
8

329 loggiedog  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:14:25pm

re: #322 loppyd

Do I dare ask?

Mozart was thought to have Coprolalia and Tourettes and he supposedly had an obsession with defecation.

330 gearhead  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:15:00pm

re: #316 loppyd

My brother's youngest two (4 & 6) are obsessed with the word poop, too. LOL

My boys are 4 and 6, too. Any bodily function will do.

My wife walked in on them urinating at the same time. "Look, mom, we're making an X!"

331 beachkatie  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:15:01pm

re: #312 savage_nation

for me to poop on!


HEH HEH! That was cute! Sweet dreams savage_nation!

332 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:15:17pm

re: #65 Irene NYC

If it somehow passes the veto and gets into law our own courts will throw it out. Essentially we do not have jurisdiction over other nations... perhaps some of our tax dollars would be well spent on civics classes for the "leadership" in Corngress and the Blouse...

333 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:15:47pm

8:15 and no OR results.
15 min late.

334 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:15:55pm

Anorexia for America

335 Dirk Diggler  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:16:11pm

OR,

I'm decompressing from Barry by watching the beginning of Miami Vice again. This is really a damn good movie.

Michael Mann is the man.

336 infidel Alan  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:16:17pm

Fox called Oregon for Obama about 10 minutes ago.

337 beachkatie  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:16:33pm

re: #318 Ojoe

Is it OK if I eat this sandwich?


Poor Ojoe, Sweetdreams to you!

338 Dan G.  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:16:44pm

re: #324 Ojoe

Should we take the CO2 out of soft drinks and beer, Mr. Obama?

It's a greenhouse gas you know.

America could Change and lead the way.

Don't give them any ideas...

339 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:17:05pm

re: #336 infidel Alan

Well they better go on a fast in Oregon then.

340 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:17:12pm

re: #308 loggiedog

Anyone remember the game Wing Commander? When you shoot down one of the Kilrathi fighters you hear "Noooooooooaaaagh!"

Iowa-- another victory for our enemies in Gaza and Teheran.

Shirley, you can't be serious.

341 freetoken  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:17:16pm

re: #336 infidel Alan

Since he has 61% of the vote so far, a pretty reasonable idea.

342 Irene NYC  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:17:24pm

re: #332 anotherindyfilmguy

The stupidity that passes for political action in this country is just not to be believed.

343 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:17:35pm

re: #336 infidel Alan

Fox called Oregon for Obama about 10 minutes ago.

It's a given.
But OR Sec. State has nothing.

344 loppyd  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:17:37pm

re: #327 Dirk Diggler

loppyd,


Hey at least you're honest about it.

My money is on the Celts being matched up with San Antonio in the Finals. The Spurs may be the TV ratings equivalent of valium, but they've got the talent and the veteran experience to win it all again, and they will.

I'd like to see them play the Lakers for old times...

Now I have to go to bed and try to stop the word CHANGE from ringing around in my head.

Nighty night!

345 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:17:37pm
346 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:17:59pm

re: #335 Dirk Diggler

OR,

Michael Mann is the man.

I'm also impressed that the script does not talk down to the viewer. They assume you know what a "FLIR image" is; and, speaking of Colombia, that you know what the "AUC" is. F'rinstance.

347 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:18:08pm

re: #337 beachkatie

And to you.

Actually I should do some work and stop goofing off on this fun website.

Perhaps back later.

348 formercorpsman  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:18:32pm

re: #222 funky chicken

The bastard shares the stage with something like that, and then has the gall to invoke Reagan in his speeches.

349 brainwizard73  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:18:39pm

Russert on MSNBC...Matthews asks him what it will take to have regular people to support Obama...

Russert says that the American people want to know that Obama loves this country, that he is proud of this country and that he sees the nation's goodness.

ROFLMAO!

Two items:

First, since Obama has more money than Soros to broadcast his message, the fact that he has to convince Americans he loves this country shows you that there is something really wrong.

Second, it's clear to many people (including Clinton supporters) that this man doesn't love this nation...he only loves what he thinks he can do to this nation.

350 loggiedog  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:18:42pm

re: #340 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I don't know, any victory for Obama is one step closer to a victory for Gaza, a sign that the mindset of America is appeasement and a willingness to talk with the dregs of the earth.

351 freetoken  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:18:44pm

re: #343 jcm

The change the links on you... yes, now the SoS is giving out numbers, but the link you have is the one for the pre-8pm web page. Go up their hiearchy, then pick the "unofficial results" link.

352 beachkatie  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:18:50pm

re: #342 Irene NYC

The stupidity that passes for political action in this country is just not to be believed.


I absolutely agree!

353 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:18:53pm

This spinoff needs more pluses.

354 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:19:15pm

What's really interesting is that not long before calling it for obmam on Fox the analyst there noted that the only counties that had been reported were the superlib campus/ultra left part of the state etc. Wouldn't it be shrillarious if after all the other counties in the state are counted she splits it with him instead?

355 nyc redneck  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:19:28pm

he's not going to get away w/ his stupid, boring answers for everything when mccain comes at him.
that's not going to work no matter how much the msm tries to spin his genius concepts. of 'hope' and 'change'.
he's going to implode and really complain bitterly abt. it.

356 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:20:07pm
357 jcm  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:20:22pm

re: #351 freetoken

The change the links on you... yes, now the SoS is giving out numbers, but the link you have is the one for the pre-8pm web page. Go up their hiearchy, then pick the "unofficial results" link.


Their server is in meltdown.

358 freetoken  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:21:09pm

re: #354 anotherindyfilmguy

Is not the rest of Oregon pretty darn empty? Sure, Obama will do well in Portland and Corvalis, but the rest of the state is very rural, is it not?

359 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:21:56pm
360 Dan G.  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:22:02pm

"...a majority of the pledged delegates, but not a majority among all delegates."

Fake milestone... the fight goes on.

361 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:22:17pm

re: #355 nyc redneck

Assuming he still gets the nomination... the problem is when you go over the mega states were shrillary won and still had to split off delegates to him. Those are the states he will not carry that have to be carried to win. I suspect that even if Obamam takes every remaining delegate the clinots will still try to "steal" the election between now/at the demvention...

362 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:22:24pm

re: #350 loggiedog

I don't know, any victory for Obama is one step closer to a victory for Gaza, a sign that the mindset of America is appeasement and a willingness to talk with the dregs of the earth.

Obama won Iowa ages ago. Get current. That was before he revealed to be the man he is. And who gives a damn about "victory for Gaza"?

It's their prime handler who is the real issue here.

363 freetoken  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:22:25pm

re: #357 jcm

Well, politico.com is still going strong, they now have the totals at 60/40 with 28% of precincts in.

364 loggiedog  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:22:27pm

re: #358 freetoken

Is not the rest of Oregon pretty darn empty? Sure, Obama will do well in Portland and Corvalis, but the rest of the state is very rural, is it not?

Go out to Hood River and you'll see more of the same. Basically a majority of the state is like that, save for the eastern portions near Idaho and some of the Mormon areas.

365 beachkatie  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:22:59pm

re: #353 Killgore Trout

This spinoff needs more pluses.


Sweetdream killgore trout! I know your tried if you sand floors last night , I have done that myself to a livingroom and bedroom! Never again!

366 indythinker  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:23:18pm

Republican platform: squeak crack bang splat

Democratic platform: Obama will be president, and so all our problems will be solved.

367 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:23:47pm

re: #354 anotherindyfilmguy

What's really interesting is that not long before calling it for obmam on Fox the analyst there noted that the only counties that had been reported were the superlib campus/ultra left part of the state etc. Wouldn't it be shrillarious if after all the other counties in the state are counted she splits it with him instead?

All mail-in vote. Geography isn't an issue.

368 Dirk Diggler  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:24:00pm
I'm also impressed that the script does not talk down to the viewer. They assume you know what a "FLIR image" is; and, speaking of Colombia, that you know what the "AUC" is. F'rinstance.

"Hey Ivan. My brother...How long you been working for the FBI?"

369 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:24:58pm

re: #368 Dirk Diggler

And that scene stars one of my favorite firearms... the Barrett.

Great guns in this movie.

370 jaunte  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:25:10pm

Joe Lieberman on Obama:

"Earlier this year, Senator Kyl and I introduced the resolution in the Senate which called on the administration to impose economic sanctions on the Iranian Revolutionary Guard that is training and equipping Iraqis that are going back into Iraq and killing American soldiers, hundreds of them.
Senator McCain and Senator Clinton voted for that resolution. About three-quarters of the Senate did. Senator Obama did not, said it was saber-rattling. It was the exact opposite of that; it was economic sanctions. Had nothing to do with the military."


[Link: transcripts.cnn.com...]

371 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:26:11pm

re: #366 indythinker

Republican platform: squeak crack bang splat

Democratic platform: Obama will be president, and so all our problems will be solved.

There isn't a Republican platform, there's a McCain platform. But I already knew that you didn't know that. Your panties are around your ankles.

372 nyc redneck  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:26:50pm

re: #356 savage_nation

I cant wait to see that!

i think it's going to be incredible. this loser is told by everyone around him he has what it takes to be potus and he must believe it by now and expect it to happen. it's not going to be pretty when reality sets in and he's back to being a 'community organizer', (what ever that is)

373 Slumbering Behemoth  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:27:29pm

re: #299 buzzsawmonkey

Truly inspired. Keep that one at the ready should the dem. super-delegates pull an end around and snatch up the nomination for whomever. Could make for a good parody.

374 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:28:28pm
375 nyc redneck  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:29:04pm

re: #361 anotherindyfilmguy

Assuming he still gets the nomination... the problem is when you go over the mega states were shrillary won and still had to split off delegates to him. Those are the states he will not carry that have to be carried to win. I suspect that even if Obamam takes every remaining delegate the clinots will still try to "steal" the election between now/at the demvention...

lol, i don;t see her quitting either. she does not look like she's abt. to give up.

376 loggiedog  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:29:17pm

re: #362 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Obama won Iowa ages ago. Get current. That was before he revealed to be the man he is. And who gives a damn about "victory for Gaza"?

It's their prime handler who is the real issue here.

When you say prime handler what are you talking about? I guess I don't recall which states are remaining for the primaries. I recall Ohio, but perhaps I missed Iowa. Anyway, the fact that some states like Oregon still vote for Obama even with his relationship to the reverend shows how twisted the situation is. Unfortunately, I think a lot of people worry about the fact that Obama is a choice candidate for the riff-raff in the Middle East, since they know he likes to talk and negotiate. Negotiation is the last thing we need. Likewise, our current administration is also foolish enough to supply enriched Uranium to Saudi Arabia.

377 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:30:53pm

From the "unofficial results page":

Democrat Votes Percent
_________________ _________________
Hillary Clinton 87,639 38.20%
Barack Obama 140,582 61.28%
Write-in Votes 1,186 0.52%
_________________ _________________
Totals: 229,407 100%


Looks like she really lost Oregon... flip flop of Kentucky...

378 indythinker  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:31:54pm

Hillary won't take a VP spot under Obama. She knows if this guy gets in office the country will be in a tailspin after four years and the Democratic Party will get the blame. The best she can hope for is beating Obama now, or second-best hoping McCain beats Obama and then running in 2012. If Obama wins it all, she can't run again until 2016.

379 Lively  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:33:11pm

What does "Obama crosses delegate threshold" mean? Someone clue me in. (via Drudge headline)

380 cblesz  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:34:05pm

The man makes me want to vomit. Plain and simple.

381 Dirk Diggler  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:34:20pm

OR,

And that scene stars one of my favorite firearms... the Barrett.

Great guns in this movie.

My only problem was the Chinese broad playing the Colombian money launder. I couldn't understand a word she said throughout the entire movie. In addition, she and Colin Farrell had zero romantic chemistry.

The movie would have been better served with an authentic South American actriz in that role.

382 Lively  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:34:45pm

Dear Charles,

If Obama wins the presidency, you might have to be him in your spellcheck dictionary.

383 cblesz  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:35:05pm

re: #379 Lively

What does "Obama crosses delegate threshold" mean? Someone clue me in. (via Drudge headline)

I have had it with Drudge. He is so in the tank on the left it is pathetic.

384 loggiedog  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:35:20pm

First Flipper, now Waffler. Who is next on the Democratic side, after Obama, a Wobbler?

385 Macker  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:35:23pm

re: #378 indythinker

By then she'll be a Grand Old Hag!

386 nyc redneck  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:35:57pm

re: #376 loggiedog

When you say prime handler what are you talking about? I guess I don't recall which states are remaining for the primaries. I recall Ohio, but perhaps I missed Iowa. Anyway, the fact that some states like Oregon still vote for Obama even with his relationship to the reverend shows how twisted the situation is. Unfortunately, I think a lot of people worry about the fact that Obama is a choice candidate for the riff-raff in the Middle East, since they know he likes to talk and negotiate. Negotiation is the last thing we need. Likewise, our current administration is also foolish enough to supply enriched Uranium to Saudi Arabia.

well that's the problem, osama likes to 'talk and negotiate' too much. that's kind of obnoxious, coming from a person who is not known for deep thinking on substantive issues. (hope and change will be the butt of many jokes for m.e. tyrants.)

387 formercorpsman  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:35:59pm

re: #378 indythinker

I think you have a very good analysis.

Who the hell would want to be the second coming of Mondale?

There is no doubt in my mind, she would not accept the VP slot if offered.

I would go as far to say, she realizes, you can't go as far to the left as he is claiming to go, and survive beyond 4 years.

While I hated Bill, he was good at wetting his finger, and gaging the direction of political winds, and letting his policy float in the same direction.

388 Macker  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:37:18pm

re: #384 loggiedog

First Flipper, now Waffler. Who is next on the Democratic side, after Obama, a Wobbler?

More like a Weeble. You know, Weebles wobble but they don't fall down?

389 Dirk Diggler  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:37:21pm

Later folks. I'm going to bed.

390 formercorpsman  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:37:22pm

re: #383 cblesz

I think Drudge realizes he makes more money by having numerous types check into his site.

I never took him for being right leaning.

391 toomanysnax  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:38:19pm

Missed some of it. The lofty speechifying sent me running to the bathroom, hugging the bowl as O'Bama finished up.

392 gearhead  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:38:46pm

re: #387 formercorpsman


While I hated Bill, he was good at wetting his finger, and gaging the direction of political winds, and letting his policy float in the same direction.

Which is precisely why he didn't take the shot on bin Laden when we had it.

393 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:38:55pm

re: #381 Dirk Diggler

In addition, she and Colin Farrell had zero romantic chemistry.

I'm sure you think you could have done better. Than she did.

bwaaaahahahaha

(Hey, you opened the door)

394 Dan G.  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:39:02pm

re: #379 Lively

Nothing... he has a majority of the "pledged" delegates (not all delegates)... he's trying to milk it (marketing style) for all its worth.

395 Lively  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:39:22pm

re: #383 cblesz

I have had it with Drudge. He is so in the tank on the left it is pathetic.

I know fo' sho' he doesn't want Hillary to win because he was the one who broke the Monica Lewinsky story. He doesn't want to meet Hillary's wrath.

396 indythinker  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:39:56pm

re: #371 really grumpy big dog Johnson

There isn't a Republican platform, there's a McCain platform. But I already knew that you didn't know that. Your panties are around your ankles.

In Obama's speech he made one correct point: the Republican party platform is a disaster.

McCain's platform is only a slight improvement.

My point was that while Obama was right on that, it was ironic for him to say that because the entire platform of the Democrats is based on getting Obama into office. After that happens, they have no plan whatsoever.

Our country is heading for trouble.

397 Mich-again  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:42:50pm

re: #382 Lively

Dear Charles,

If Obama wins the presidency, you might have to be him in your spellcheck dictionary.

Nope. Don't do it. Moonbat isn't even in the spellcheck dictionary yet. Heck for that matter spellcheck isn't in it.

398 profitsbeard  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:44:49pm

re: #59 Charles

"The fear of tough and aggressive diplomacy."

Wow. Orwell would blanche at that one.

Goddamnit, Mahmoud, read my entire memoranda or I will change the lunch protocol!

And, you Assad, sit up straight! This is diplomacy, not a "coffee"!

Tough.

Aggressive.

Obama.

399 Mich-again  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:45:26pm

re: #396 indythinker

the Republican party platform is a disaster.

Can you tell me what it is? I'll be pulling the GOP straight ticket lever just like I have for every election since 1984 and I was wondering whats in the platform these days.

400 Slumbering Behemoth  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:46:06pm

re: #384 loggiedog

First Flipper, now Waffler. Who is next on the Democratic side, after Obama, a Wobbler?

Category: Be Careful What You Ask For.

I hear that those who wobble don't often fall down easily.

401 formercorpsman  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:46:48pm

re: #392 gearhead

I would have to disagree.

Bill is the utmost political animal.

He was a child of the 60's, and he would never have the stomach to fight a real war, because real war is hell, unpopular, and you take political gambles in war.

I would say, the reason Bin Laden was never a big player, is because the media never acknowledged a true islamic threat.

We had intelligence during Somalia, that it was a problem.

However, his aim was to be a domestic President, avoid international policy, and run the table that way.

Plus, we became so caught up in home grown militias, don't ask don't tell, Milsovich, and Lewinski, who knew there were guys planning serious destruction?

Pretty much everyone here could see it. His constituency dis not.

They still refuse to.

402 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:47:04pm

Good night.

403 Lively  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:48:05pm

Hitting the sack too. G'night lizards.

404 X-ray  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:48:49pm

re: #398 profitsbeard

Respect the Lunch Protocol or die:)

405 Mich-again  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:49:12pm

Geraldine Ferraro looks downright menacing these days.

406 loggiedog  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:50:05pm

re: #400 Slumbering Behemoth

Category: Be Careful What You Ask For.

I hear that those who wobble don't often fall down easily.

That's actually quite scary. Maybe "tripper" (as in drugged-up president) or "Muffler" (one that enforces political correctness across the board by silencing those with political opinions that exceed a standard deviation) would also be frightening.

407 Steffan  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:51:10pm

re: #36 lawhawk

I know completely OT, but this is just freaky. Two men were found dead in Bergen County today - one of gunshots and discovered in a restaurant parking lot. The second man, found with stab wounds in an apartment complex in Fair Lawn, is literally in my back yard. They're not sure if any foul play in the Fair Lawn death. Other reports are suggesting that the man was despondent over the death of his wife a short time ago.

Let me get this straight: He died of stab wounds but they aren't sure it's foul play?

Reminds me of a cartoon I saw once. A sheriff, talking to a bunch of good ol' boys. At their feet is the body of a black man, hands tied behind his back and a noose around his neck. Several knives are stuck in various parts of his body. Gunshot wounds are evident big time. The caption: "Yep, boys, worst case of suicide I've ever seen."

I live in a relatively quiet town. I think I'd be looking for either a bottle or the extra magazines for my rifle if somebody found a body like that in my neighborhood.

408 Irene NYC  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:51:46pm

re: #405 Mich-again

I thought Geraldie looked terrific and didn't mince any words. I don't always agree with her but she's got balls.
;)

409 Mich-again  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:53:03pm

re: #407 Steffan

Reminds me of a cartoon I saw once.

Where did you see that vile crap? The Stormfront Newsletter?

410 bosforus  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:53:33pm

McCain with a 72 point lead in Oregon! Unbelievable!
/

411 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:53:36pm

re: #169 Emery Calame

Obama is starting to remind me of Wile E. Coyote, super-GEENius.

He just hasn't crashed his acme "rocketman" suit into the cliff wall yet and had reality stop to look at him for a instant and say "meep meep" just before he plummets to the dessert floor which a "why me?" look on his face.

Just be patient. In six months he'll be meeting that cliff face. I just hope he makes the accordion noise after impact.

412 experiencedtraveller  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:53:36pm

Oregon is a wonderful place. The local environment is divided by the Cascade Range into spectacular regions of great natural variety.

413 Mich-again  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:54:16pm

re: #408 Irene NYC

I don't always agree with her but she's got balls.

I think she would bitchslap Obama if they ever had a street fight.

414 Steffan  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:54:23pm

re: #61 lawhawk

Vote Zod2008.

Zod's a wuss. He's worse than Obama.

Vote Cthulhu 2008.

415 loggiedog  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:55:16pm

re: #412 experiencedtraveller

Why is it that all the lush or beautiful places (Oregon, Vermont, MA) all have the biggest cases of moonbats with BDS?

416 Steffan  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:55:49pm

re: #409 Mich-again

Where did you see that vile crap? The Stormfront Newsletter?

Truth to tell, I think it was "Hustler." I freely admit I didn't read it for the articles.

It was also about 30 years ago, if memory serves me correctly....

417 freetoken  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:55:55pm

Interesting results in some OR counties... so far in one county they are tied at 1676 votes, in another county Clinton leads by 4 votes... it's pretty tight out in hicksville, OR.

418 bosforus  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:56:04pm

Why is Usher wearing boxing gloves behind Clinton?

419 Midwestprof  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:56:27pm

re: #399 Mich-again

Can you tell me what it is? I'll be pulling the GOP straight ticket lever just like I have for every election since 1984 and I was wondering whats in the platform these days.

"Me, too! Me, too. We want change, too, only different. We hope to hope, too."

Check out Rep. Tom Cole's great ideas, entitled, "Republican Solutions and a Positive Agenda" at the NRCC Blog. Pay especial attention to the comments that follow.

420 Mich-again  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:58:15pm

re: #415 loggiedog

Why is it that all the lush or beautiful places (Oregon, Vermont, MA) all have the biggest cases of moonbats with BDS?

A: Rich white people

421 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:58:34pm
422 The Shadow Do  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:59:06pm

re: #415 loggiedog

Why is it that all the lush or beautiful places (Oregon, Vermont, MA) all have the biggest cases of moonbats with BDS?

Being a Utopian sucks if you are stuck in Dubuque.

423 infidel Alan  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:59:28pm

re: #420 Mich-again

A: Rich white people

Rich stupid white people

424 loggiedog  Tue, May 20, 2008 8:59:40pm

re: #420 Mich-again

Probably all the places where life is good and where people take a non-confrontational attitude since all they care about is preserving their own tiny slice of the planet with organic produce and drugs.

425 Sharmuta  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:00:28pm

re: #399 Mich-again

Can you tell me what it is? I'll be pulling the GOP straight ticket lever just like I have for every election since 1984 and I was wondering whats in the platform these days.

Here's the platform in pdf format.

426 Catttt  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:00:59pm

re: #353 Killgore Trout

This spinoff needs more pluses.

Why are we here? PLASTIC.

427 Cartman  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:01:40pm

I had always thought of Iowa as definitely part of "flyover country".

What happened? Shame on you, Iowa!

428 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:05:02pm
429 Da_Beerfreak  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:05:17pm

re: #427 Cartman

I had always thought of Iowa as definitely part of "flyover country".

What happened? Shame on you, Iowa!

Even flyover country thinks of Iowa as "flyover country".
// {;-)™

430 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:06:38pm

re: #414 Steffan

Zod's a wuss. He's worse than Obama.

Vote Cthulhu 2008.

Cthulu? That nothing?
Vote for one of the REAL ancient gods - Azathoth, Yog-Sogoth, and the others, or for their messenger, Nyarlathotep.

the mindless entity Azathoth, which rules all time and space from a curiously environed black throne at the centre of Chaos


the boundless daemon-sultan Azathoth, whose name no lips dare speak aloud, and who gnaws hungrily in inconceivable, unlighted chambers beyond time amidst the muffled, maddening beating of vile drums and the thin, monotonous whine of accursed flutes; to which detestable pounding and piping dance slowly, awkwardly, and absurdly the gigantic ultimate gods, the blind, voiceless, tenebrous, mindless Other Gods whose soul and messenger is the crawling chaos Nyarlathotep.
431 Picayune  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:06:45pm

#273 maddogg 5/20/08 8:00:49 pm reply quote report 0

re: #260 The Shadow Do

You know what? That is the perfect rejoinder to BHO's claim that we must talk to our enemies and that we have in the past. The Japanese delegation was in Washington waiting for an audience when the first bombs were blasting Pear Harbor and murdering almost three thousand Americans (by the way, my Mom was among the wounded).

Obama was too young to see "Tora! Tora! Tora! when it came out....

I nominate your mother for the Purple Heart! Of course, with this admission, you won't be selected for any possible (God forbid) future Obama diplomatic corps.

432 gearhead  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:07:09pm

re: #401 formercorpsman

I agree that the media had no clue about Islamism, even after the first WTC bombing. Oklahoma City and various militia stories seemed to turn the nation's attention to home-grown sources of terrorism.

I can't cite specific instances other than Kosovo, but recall a lot of talk at the time about the number of foreign deployments that Clinton ordered, even as he was reducing the size of the military.

In my previous post, I was thinking specifically of Buzz Patterson's account in Dereliction of Duty of "the" phone call - where Sandy Burger was urgently trying to get Clinton to make a decision about whether to get bin Laden. Patterson was the White House Air Force attache at the time. He took the call from Berger and was trying to get Clinton to talk to Berger. Clinton was playing golf and wouldn't give an answer, not even a No.

I guess I am making a leap from that point to what Clinton's motives were, but that is how I understand it.

433 Slumbering Behemoth  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:07:18pm

re: #414 Steffan

Right! Why feel compelled to choose the lesser evil!

But I'm not actually running in this election. I'll be running in 2012. One major part of my party platform will be to end the ID*/Evolution debate with my "I Created You To Be My Food" speech.

*At which point the misnomer "Intelligent Design" will be changed to the more accurate "Malevolent Design".

434 Obama/Olbermann 08  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:07:21pm

The Charmer is really making them tingle and faint tonite!

435 MandyManners  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:07:53pm

re: #430 Kosh's Shadow

I'm gonna' have nightmares after reading that.

436 loggiedog  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:08:22pm

re: #434 Obama/Olbermann 08

You mean the snake oil salesman, right?

437 wolfie  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:09:09pm

Why are we picking on Iowa?
Since it's a caucus state, the voters never had a say there.
Let's pick on Oregon!

438 MandyManners  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:09:29pm

re: #434 Obama/Olbermann 08

That's one fucked-up nic, and so is your avatar.

439 ladycatnip  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:09:41pm

#420 Mich-again

re: #415 loggiedog

Why is it that all the lush or beautiful places (Oregon, Vermont, MA) all have the biggest cases of moonbats with BDS?

A: Rich white people

They attract the occult as well. Here in California we have Big Sur, and Arizona has Sedona; these gorgeous places are huge in New Age, goddess, Wiccan and Gaia worshipers. Usually those types tend to be of the deranged moonbat persuasion, which doesn't say much for the left.

440 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:09:58pm

Darn I just ate some more food

441 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:10:39pm
442 Obama/Olbermann 08  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:10:55pm

re: #436 loggiedog

You mean the snake oil salesman, right?

I believe he's gonna change your oil!

443 Catttt  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:11:54pm

I think the Dems will be going with Nyarlahotep for their nominee.

444 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:12:10pm

re: #435 MandyManners

I'm gonna' have nightmares after reading that.

I've been a big Lovecraft fan; after that, no modern horror writer comes close.

I started reading his stuff when I was a grad student at Brown, and I'd go visit locations mentioned in the books. (Lovecraft lived in Providence, RI)

And it is interesting that his mythological book, the Necronomicon, was supposedly written by a mad Arab, Abdul Al-Harazed.
(The name came from a distant relationship, the Hazard family. I wonder if they were related to the Dean of Brown when I was there, Dean Hazard)

445 itellu3times  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:12:11pm

Did Obama come out for David Cook or David Archuleta?

446 MandyManners  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:12:15pm

re: #442 Obama/Olbermann 08

I believe he's gonna change your oil!

I'll whack him with my tire iron if he comes near my car.

447 MandyManners  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:13:06pm

re: #444 Kosh's Shadow

I've never read Lovecraft but, I've read a lot about him here.

448 Obama/Olbermann 08  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:13:13pm

re: #438 MandyManners

That's one fucked-up nic, and so is your avatar.

Yeah, I did it myself.

Is it a rising or a setting sun? Or something else?

449 Desert Dog  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:13:18pm

re: #446 MandyManners

I'll whack him with my tire iron if he comes near my car.

Forget the free oil...you get a NEW CAR! ding ding ding.....

450 Steffan  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:13:24pm

re: #430 Kosh's Shadow

Naaah. My vote's for the flabby claws.

The Thing cannot be described - there is no language for such abysms of shrieking and immemorial lunacy, such eldritch contradictions of all matter, force, and cosmic order. A mountain walked or stumbled. God! What wonder that across the earth a great architect went mad, and poor Wilcox raved with fever in that telepathic instant? The Thing of the idols, the green, sticky spawn of the stars, had awaked to claim his own. The stars were right again, and what an age-old cult had failed to do by design, a band of innocent sailors had done by accident. After vigintillions of years great Cthulhu was loose again, and ravening for delight.

451 RTLM  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:13:38pm

Getting close to headphones time.

(Bose)

452 loggiedog  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:14:19pm

re: #439 ladycatnip

All these formerly beautiful places which were once affordable become prohibitive as these new-age yuppie leftists displace the middle-class. Vermont used to be a strong conservative state. Burlington is almost another country. They're lucky that Swanton / Highgate Springs remain the Conservative line of defense in case in 20 years the Jihad takes over across the border in Montreal.

453 Obama/Olbermann 08  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:15:08pm

re: #446 MandyManners

I'll whack him with my tire iron if he comes near my car.

Snake oil is an alternative energy source, and more plentiful than ethanol.

454 gearhead  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:15:28pm

re: #450 Steffan

...the green, sticky spawn of the stars...

Charles - rotating title thingy!

455 MandyManners  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:15:42pm

re: #448 Obama/Olbermann 08

Yeah, I did it myself.

Is it a rising or a setting sun? Or something else?

It's a moon.

456 Steffan  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:16:14pm

re: #454 gearhead

Charles - rotating title thingy!

I second the motion.

457 formercorpsman  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:16:27pm

re: #432 gearhead

I figured as much.

My response was more to do with what the direction the country preferred.

You are correct, he wanted nothing to do with it.

Hot potato, big boy pants stuff if you actually belly up to the bar and deal with international terrorism.

I truly think, if the media did it's job, and instead of worrying so much about gays serving openly in the military, and actually put a little time into the financial connections withing the first Trade Center bombing, the public at large would be much more educated than they are now.

I am afraid, it is going to take a nuclear act of terrorism before the civilized world realizes we do have a problem on our hands.

In many ways, I put the blame squarely on the Clinton administration for not handling Pakistan, India, and North Korean clandestine nuclear ambitions, hence we are dealing with international proliferation again.

So much for atoms for peace.

Somewhere, Antonin Scalia is paraphrased as opining that the is nothing in America that 30 years of hard times can't fix.

For some reason, we are unable to see the big picture as a society in general, the way we could with the cold war.

458 Desert Dog  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:16:32pm

re: #452 loggiedog

All these formerly beautiful places which were once affordable become prohibitive as these new-age yuppie leftists displace the middle-class. Vermont used to be a strong conservative state. Burlington is almost another country. They're lucky that Swanton / Highgate Springs remain the Conservative line of defense in case in 20 years the Jihad takes over across the border in Montreal.

What is the old axiom....an "abuser of the land" is a guy who wants a house in the woods, next to the river. An "environmentalist" is a guy who already has a house in the woods, next to the river - and doesn't want anyone else to have one.....

459 MandyManners  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:16:32pm

re: #449 Desert Dog

Forget the free oil...you get a NEW CAR! ding ding ding.....

Probably will weigh 500 pounds, get 75 mpg and will flip over in a strong wind.

460 loggiedog  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:16:34pm

re: #453 Obama/Olbermann 08

Snake oil is an alternative energy source, and more plentiful than ethanol.

To create a sustainable resource, all we have to do is scream out "yes we can" and the reverberations will vibrate tiny geophones all across the world to create the voltage we need to power our society.

461 Obama/Olbermann 08  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:16:56pm

re: #455 MandyManners

It's a moon.

That's no moon, it's tha mothership.

462 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:16:59pm

re: #447 MandyManners

I've never read Lovecraft but, I've read a lot about him here.

He actually had a "science", or at least a logical framework, behind his horror stories. Others have stolen bits of this, but never really put it together.
Somehow, it is more frightening when it all makes some sort of sense, then when there are random monsters around.

Lovecraft himself, though, was a racist and probably an anti-Semite, but he's long dead, and was probably more a product of his time than anything else.

Plus, he could write, as you can tell from the samples in my earlier post.

463 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:17:26pm
464 MandyManners  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:17:27pm

re: #453 Obama/Olbermann 08

Snake oil is an alternative energy source, and more plentiful than ethanol.

You can drill snakes?

465 Desert Dog  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:18:05pm

re: #459 MandyManners

Probably will weigh 500 pounds, get 75 mpg and will flip over in a strong wind.

BUT...it will be FREE! Just like your health care, your mortgage, your student loan, your breath mints, your long johns and your.......... blaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh

466 experiencedtraveller  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:18:09pm

re: #415 loggiedog

Why is it that all the lush or beautiful places (Oregon, Vermont, MA) all have the biggest cases of moonbats with BDS?

Good question. Oregon and Vermont enjoy rich natural environment and greatly benefit from America.

467 MandyManners  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:18:56pm

re: #461 Obama/Olbermann 08

That's no moon, it's tha mothership.

I wish it would beam up him and his backers.

468 Obama/Olbermann 08  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:19:17pm

re: #464 MandyManners

You can drill snakes?

In Japanese anime, snakes drill you.

469 Catttt  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:19:31pm

re: #430 Kosh's Shadow

Description of Nyarlahotep from wiki:
a "tall, swarthy man" who resembles an Egyptian Pharaoh.

He wanders the earth, seemingly gathering legions of followers through his demonstrations of strange and seemingly magical instruments, the narrator of the story among them. These followers lose awareness of the world around them, and through the narrator's increasingly unreliable accounts the reader gets a sense of the world's utter collapse. The story ends with the narrator as part of an army of servants for Nyarlathotep.

470 MandyManners  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:19:47pm

re: #462 Kosh's Shadow

I might pick up something from him this summer.

471 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:19:54pm

re: #450 Steffan

Naaah. My vote's for the flabby claws.

Even shoggoths aren't frightened by Cthulu and his ilk nowadays.
Just stay away from the Mountains of Madness. But then, shoggoths are pretty nasty themselves:

“We were on the track ahead as the nightmare plastic column of foetid black iridescence oozed tightly onward through its fifteen-foot sinus; gathering unholy speed and driving before it a spiral, re-thickening cloud of the pallid abyss-vapour. It was a terrible, indescribable thing vaster than any subway train—a shapeless congeries of protoplasmic bubbles, faintly self-luminous, and with myriads of temporary eyes forming and unforming as pustules of greenish light all over the tunnel-filling front that bore down upon us, crushing the frantic penguins and slithering over the glistening floor that it and its kind had swept so evilly free of all litter.”

472 formercorpsman  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:20:34pm

re: #439 ladycatnip

Visions of the hairy legged, interpretive dancing, lesbian, lacto-ovo vegetarian dancing in my head.

Oh, and one square of toilet paper as well.

473 MandyManners  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:20:34pm

re: #465 Desert Dog

your long johns

Will they be silk? If so, I'm so for him.

474 Steffan  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:20:35pm

re: #462 Kosh's Shadow

Heh.

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.

Theosophists have guessed at the awesome grandeur of the cosmic cycle wherein our world and human race form transient incidents. They have hinted at strange survivals in terms which would freeze the blood if not masked by a bland optimism. But it is not from them that there came the single glimpse of forbidden eons which chills me when I think of it and maddens me when I dream of it. That glimpse, like all dread glimpses of truth, flashed out from an accidental piecing together of separated things - in this case an old newspaper item and the notes of a dead professor. I hope that no one else will accomplish this piecing out; certainly, if I live, I shall never knowingly supply a link in so hideous a chain.

475 MandyManners  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:21:16pm

re: #468 Obama/Olbermann 08

In Japanese anime, snakes drill you.

That's one art form/hobby/whatever that I'm glad I didn't get into.

476 Syrah  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:21:51pm

re: #468 Obama/Olbermann 08

Are you trying to be offensive?

477 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:22:09pm

Darn, my cat just ate some food.

478 JeremyR  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:22:26pm

re: #441 savage_nation

No he wasn't. T T T came out when I was 10 and Obama is only 6 monhs younger than me. I remember seeing it in the theatre.

Same here, it was one of the few I got to go see.

479 Catttt  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:22:42pm

re: #464 MandyManners

You can drill snakes?

I don't think so. It's hard to get them to march.

480 Sharmuta  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:22:58pm

re: #477 Ojoe

Darn, my cat just ate some food.

Crap! My thermostat's at 73.

481 Ojoe  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:23:05pm

There is too much food in my fridge.

Dang

482 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, May 20, 2008 9:23:35pm
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