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Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:12:48 am PDT

Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve,
And hope without an object cannot live.

Samuel Taylor Coleridge

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1 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:16:17am

Nice shiny new thread in the morning.

2 BlueCanuck  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:17:14am

Dang, I think the auto quote function has ingested a dose of Hopium.

/can't remember it's half-life

3 merav  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:17:52am

ISRAEL OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCES PEACE TALKS WITH SYRIA

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

4 rightside  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:18:08am

gg, you beat me to it LOL!

5 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:19:11am

Good morning, Lizards, especially

{galloping granny}
{Blue Canuck}
{merav}

6 redc1c4  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:19:45am

re: #2 BlueCanuck

Dang, I think the auto quote function has ingested a dose of Hopium.

/can't remember it's half-life

it's not like you've been poasting this evening anyway......

/whipped already?

7 Karridine  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:19:59am

re: #2 BlueCanuck

Dang, I think the auto quote function has ingested a dose of Hopium.

/can't remember it's half-life

Better than Governmentium! :D

8 Onslow  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:20:08am

Today is the Champions League final. May the best English team win.

9 BlueCanuck  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:20:09am

Morning {goddess}

/just getting in a last couple of posts before hometime.

10 redc1c4  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:20:54am

re: #3 merav

ISRAEL OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCES PEACE TALKS WITH SYRIA

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

does this mean that Zahal has taken Damascus?

/wishful

11 BlueCanuck  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:20:59am

re: #6 redc1c4

it's not like you've been poasting this evening anyway......

/whipped already?

Nope, unable to concentrate for some reason.

/need more sleep.

12 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:22:02am

re: #4 rightside

gg, you beat me to it LOL!

I was surprised to see that :)

13 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:22:48am

Morning Goddess. How comes the garden?

14 Karridine  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:23:21am
15 rightside  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:23:49am

re: #12 galloping granny

Um, I was up getting coffee....Yeah! that's it!

16 stuiec  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:25:09am

Sorry to mention He-Who-Should-Not-Be-Named, but...

... the result in Oregon wasn't even close.

I wish it had been, or even that she'd managed a win there, because that would have caused a sea-change in the campaign and forced Vobamamort to tack over to bring all his guns to bear on the She-Beast. (I know, I know, mixing Harry Potter and nautical metaphors. It's early, don't yell at me.)

17 Karridine  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:25:53am

re: #13 galloping granny

No, no Granny!

Like this:

"Morning, Goddess, good to see you, how does your garden grow?
With silver bells and cockle shells and Bat-eared O'bammies all in a row?"

/somethin' like that...

18 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:25:59am

re: #13 galloping granny

Morning Goddess. How comes the garden?

It's on pause right now. I'm too overwhelmed with the end of school to think about it, but my Lizard-in-Training did dig out most of the thistles Monday.

19 merav  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:26:33am

#5 goddess,

Good morning!


#11, redc1c4,

LOL! I just don't think chinless is that smart, though.
Thanks for the early morning laugh!

20 stuiec  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:27:46am

re: #3 merav

ISRAEL OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCES PEACE TALKS WITH SYRIA

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Seems to me that the Syrians have no reason to make a peace deal with Israel at the moment. Given that they've just won back their kingmaker role in Lebanon, it's hardly a propitious time for Baby Assad to cut a deal that would require him to cut off ties to Hezbollah, and yet the Israelis would insist on nothing less.

/back to sleep

21 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:28:23am

re: #17 Karridine

Gotc, Gotc, quite the hottie*,
How does your garden grow?
With silver bells and cockle shells and moonbats all in a row?

*I'm only going for a close rhyme; my degree of "hotness" is not for mee to say!

22 BlueCanuck  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:29:07am

re: #21 goddessoftheclassroom

You are as hot as you feel. :)

23 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:29:13am

re: #16 stuiec

Sorry to mention He-Who-Should-Not-Be-Named, but...

... the result in Oregon wasn't even close.

I wish it had been, or even that she'd managed a win there, because that would have caused a sea-change in the campaign and forced Vobamamort to tack over to bring all his guns to bear on the She-Beast. (I know, I know, mixing Harry Potter and nautical metaphors. It's early, don't yell at me.)

Oregon holds their primary in a pretty unusual way. Everybody votes by mail. That seems to me to be a method wide open for abuse, so I'm not all that sure how much credence I give the results at all.

On top of that, Oregon is right up there with Berkeley & Washington state when it comes to the loon factor. Definitely a part of the Left Coast. I suspect that the views of my pretty liberal state (Vermont) are much closer to the national consensus and Barack Hussein Obama is not popular here. So much so that the last time I was down at the only grocery store in town the folks one checkout over were all talking about how they could not possibly vote for Obama because he is a Marxist.

24 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:30:31am

re: #16 stuiec

Sorry to mention He-Who-Should-Not-Be-Named, but...

... the result in Oregon wasn't even close.

I wish it had been, or even that she'd managed a win there, because that would have caused a sea-change in the campaign and forced Vobamamort to tack over to bring all his guns to bear on the She-Beast. (I know, I know, mixing Harry Potter and nautical metaphors. It's early, don't yell at me.)

And actually it was fairly close if you look at the delegates. He got 14 in Kentucky and she beat him two to one plus a couple. In Oregon she took 17 to his 25 or so - much closer.

25 opnion  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:30:39am

Good Morning All.
I missed the last thread & probably every thing has been said.
What I was struck by was the nice looking family being rolled out & the soothing speech.
If you nothing about, Wright ,Rezko, Ayers, Michelles rants, Barrys prior Maxist lectures etc. you could get sucked in. That crowd did. How could they not know what we do?

26 stuiec  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:31:29am

re: #17 Karridine

No, no Granny!

Like this:


/somethin' like that...

An evil thought...

My wife was scared as a child by some old sci-fi B movie on TV -- maybe It Conquered the World or Zontar, Thing from Venus -- where the alien entity sent out bat-things that wrapped themselves around people's heads and turned them into white-eyed zombies.

I shall have to tell her how much Obama's ears make him look like one of those bat-things...

BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA!

/wondering why he has no sex life

27 Karridine  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:31:49am

re: #21 goddessoftheclassroom

Hey! No apologies accepted, it scans AND rhymes...

Moonbats all in a row! (personally, I doubt you could herd them into close quarters, what with their aversion to order, orderliness and following rational orders, Goddess!)

28 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:32:35am

re: #26 stuiec

An evil thought...

My wife was scared as a child by some old sci-fi B movie on TV -- maybe It Conquered the World or Zontar, Thing from Venus -- where the alien entity sent out bat-things that wrapped themselves around people's heads and turned them into white-eyed zombies.

I shall have to tell her how much Obama's ears make him look like one of those bat-things...

BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA!

/wondering why he has no sex life

I will not comment on his ears. Too many in my family have those ears.

29 stuiec  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:34:09am

re: #23 galloping granny

Oregon holds their primary in a pretty unusual way. Everybody votes by mail. That seems to me to be a method wide open for abuse, so I'm not all that sure how much credence I give the results at all.

On top of that, Oregon is right up there with Berkeley & Washington state when it comes to the loon factor. Definitely a part of the Left Coast. I suspect that the views of my pretty liberal state (Vermont) are much closer to the national consensus and Barack Hussein Obama is not popular here. So much so that the last time I was down at the only grocery store in town the folks one checkout over were all talking about how they could not possibly vote for Obama because he is a Marxist.

Wait... what?

Isn't Bernie Sanders a Marxist, and didn't your fellow Vermonters elect him to something or other in Congress?

Or are the folks at the cracker barrel saying that Obama is too much Marxist, even by Vermont standards?

30 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:34:41am

re: #27 Karridine

Hey! No apologies accepted, it scans AND rhymes...

Moonbats all in a row! (personally, I doubt you could herd them into close quarters, what with their aversion to order, orderliness and following rational orders, Goddess!)

My Goddess Glare can achieve great things...(LOL!)

31 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:36:08am

FOX is just now reporting live that Bush has apologized to Maliki over the shooting of the koran incident and promised that the soldier will be prosecuted.

/so much for the denial of yesterday!

32 Karridine  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:36:19am

re: #25 opnion

Opnion, Hussein was talking to OREGON, also known as 'Moonbat Central'... a REAL STRONGHOLD for LLL, oddballs, weirdos, rabid individualists, Democrats, socialists, marxists, conspiracy-theorists, alien abductees and a smattering of normal people...

33 jemima  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:37:12am

#28

OT Granny, will you shoot me an email?

34 redc1c4  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:38:33am

re: #31 galloping granny

FOX is just now reporting live that Bush has apologized to Maliki over the shooting of the koran incident and promised that the soldier will be prosecuted.

/so much for the denial of yesterday!

i' claim it was political speech protected under the 1st amendment.....

/assuming i was that dumb to begin with.

35 merav  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:41:18am

re: #20 stuiec

I don't see this as a propitious time for Syria to negotiate either, but since their "negotiations" would never be in good faith anyway, and are influenced by Iran, commonsense would never enter into it.

Iran and Syria just want to deprive Israel of the Golan. They can say it's for sovereignty issues, or even security, but I think it's 'cause they want all that yummy Golani wine that Israel produces.

Off to work. Nice day, everyone.

36 stuiec  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:41:46am

re: #24 galloping granny

And actually it was fairly close if you look at the delegates. He got 14 in Kentucky and she beat him two to one plus a couple. In Oregon she took 17 to his 25 or so - much closer.

'T'ain't about delegate totals anymore. It's about casting doubt on his electability, therefore his inevitability.

My personal wish and fervent desire is that all of the Democrat superdelegates get ulcers and mild clinical depression from the anxiety over choosing their candidate, and that the supporters of each candidate are mobbed outside the Convention Center with pitchforks and torches to remind those superdelegates of the dire consequences of picking the wrong (i.e., other) candidate. I want to see the Democrat Party undergo an irrevocable split -- possibly a three-way split between Hillary socialists, Obama Marxists, and Truman-Scoop Jackson patriots.

(By the way, do you recall the children's book Millions of Cats by Wanda Gag? Exactly the scenario I want to see... except without the forlorn kitten emerging as the consensus candidate.)

37 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:42:08am

re: #29 stuiec

Wait... what?

Isn't Bernie Sanders a Marxist, and didn't your fellow Vermonters elect him to something or other in Congress?

Or are the folks at the cracker barrel saying that Obama is too much Marxist, even by Vermont standards?

Bernie certainly has socialist leanings. I'm not so sure I would call him a Marxist.

My daughter and I went and looked up Obama's voting record a couple of days back and were very surprised to find the astoundingly large number of NOVOTEs (as in he voted present or not at all) that this Senator who has yet to serve a single term has to his credit. Over 100 of them!

So, we went and looked up Bernie Sanders by way of comparison. In all the years that he has served in the Senate combined he has missed or refused to cast a vote a grand total of FIVE times.

38 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:42:59am

re: #33 jemima

#28

OT Granny, will you shoot me an email?

Morning Jem. Yup. Will send it from the online account because the other one is being hokey.

39 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:43:46am

re: #36 stuiec

Millions of Cats

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

I haven't thought of that in DECADES! I loved that book!

40 opnion  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:46:15am

re: #32 Karridine

Opnion, Hussein was talking to OREGON, also known as 'Moonbat Central'... a REAL STRONGHOLD for LLL, oddballs, weirdos, rabid individualists, Democrats, socialists, marxists, conspiracy-theorists, alien abductees and a smattering of normal people...

I thought that the speech was from Iowa. I do see what you mean though. He was thanking Oregon for the victory.Oregon is way far left of the American center.

41 jemima  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:47:56am

#38

I know! I got bounces all day long from the 1 note I sent.

42 stuiec  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:48:44am

re: #25 opnion

Good Morning All.
I missed the last thread & probably every thing has been said.
What I was struck by was the nice looking family being rolled out & the soothing speech.
If you nothing about, Wright ,Rezko, Ayers, Michelles rants, Barrys prior Maxist lectures etc. you could get sucked in. That crowd did. How could they not know what we do?

Dude, you're kidding, right?

All the folks in that crowd see is Obama's skin color. They are so wrapped up in their guilt over America's "original sin" of slavery and its "racist character" that they will overlook, rationalize or forgive anything Obama says, does or is in order to receive absolution for that guilt by electing him.

And if he loses -- hey, it just reaffirms how RIGHT they've been all along to believe that America is a racist society.

Objective knowledge and rational understanding have nothing to do with it -- nothing.

43 opnion  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:49:18am

re: #31 galloping granny

FOX is just now reporting live that Bush has apologized to Maliki over the shooting of the koran incident and promised that the soldier will be prosecuted.

/so much for the denial of yesterday!

I heard the apology part. Did Bush really say that the soldier would be prosecuted?
If he did I wonder what venue.

44 RedSoxNation  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:49:35am

Problem with big speech leadership...

Earl Weaver, the Hall-of-Fame Manager for the Baltimore Orioles, once noted that he despised the big speech at a team meeting before a game. The problem, according to Weaver, "is that if you lose the next game after the meeting, then what do you do?"

I feel the same way about Obama and his big speeches on meeting with the leaders of Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, etc. If he gains nothing from these meetings, "then what does he do?"

45 Karridine  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:50:22am

re: #40 opnion

He's almost always talking PAST the immediate crowd, Op... he might be at Whissle-Stop Gulch, southern Outback, but if Obama Supporters (and reporters) are there, he'll pitch a Socialist Dream or two...

46 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:50:29am

re: #43 opnion

I heard the apology part. Did Bush really say that the soldier would be prosecuted?
If he did I wonder what venue.

I wonder whether that soldier disobeyed an order concerning defiling the quran. He would be prosecuted not for shooting it up as much as for insubordination.

47 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:51:05am

re: #39 goddessoftheclassroom

Millions of Cats

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

I haven't thought of that in DECADES! I loved that book!

I remember that one. We have a copy of it somewhere in the kiddie library. Speaking of, I guess I better find the kiddie library since the littlest iis coming to spend a week with Granny soon.

48 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:52:26am

re: #41 jemima

#38

I know! I got bounces all day long from the 1 note I sent.

did you get my email the other day telling you that the email address I've been using is no longer active? the one where the provider's name starts with @su ?

49 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:53:13am

re: #46 goddessoftheclassroom

I wonder whether that soldier disobeyed an order concerning defiling the quran. He would be prosecuted not for shooting it up as much as for insubordination.

He has already been subjected to military discipline.

50 hhc 2-2 scr  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:54:38am

galloping granny,

From reading a number of your post I gather your rather a gardening guru, maybe you can help me out.
We live in Germany and I have a bunch of lilies in my garden, they are being plagued by this red beetle type bug that kinda sings when held. Not only does it eat the leaves but it also lays its eggs on the leaves and when they hatch the larvae eat the leaves until adult form to continue eating. Besides pesticides, which are frowned upon here, how can I get rid of these things. Getting tired of washing the red blotch of the patio from squishing them, although I must admit it is a little gratifying. Have also found that throwing them in the pond doesn't work unless they land on their back, they swim quite well.

51 opnion  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:54:52am

re: #42 stuiec

Dude, you're kidding, right?

All the folks in that crowd see is Obama's skin color. They are so wrapped up in their guilt over America's "original sin" of slavery and its "racist character" that they will overlook, rationalize or forgive anything Obama says, does or is in order to receive absolution for that guilt by electing him.

And if he loses -- hey, it just reaffirms how RIGHT they've been all along to believe that America is a racist society.

Objective knowledge and rational understanding have nothing to do with it -- nothing.


That is kind of what I meant. Of course they know all of the negatives.
The problem is that they do not consider the issues to be negatives. You know that they have to think that Wright & Ayers are good guys & that Michelle is right.
It really does not matter, Barrys race trumps all.

52 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:56:49am

re: #43 opnion

I heard the apology part. Did Bush really say that the soldier would be prosecuted?
If he did I wonder what venue.

This story first broke a couple of days ago. Then yesterday the Whitehouse issued a statement contradicting that. We were discussing it on yesterday's DT then the first thread the Charles put up yesterday was about this.

Every version of the original Bush apologized story also says the soldier in question will be prosecuted.

I must say I am pretty surprised to see the White House denial completely and entirely ignored by Fox.

53 godfrey  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:57:02am

re: #44 RedSoxNation

What will he do then? Make more speeches, of course.

To Obama, it's more important to say the right thing than to do it. It's not like there's anything important at stake.

Remember, this is a guy who has essentially accomplished nothing himself. He has been handled.

54 Karridine  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:58:23am

re: #50 hhc 2-2 scr

You might try applying a froth of dish-washing soapy foam... to the affected (infected, egg-carrying) leaves...

Taking a blowtorch to them is a bit extreme, although it does work...

Does making a paste of the adults and spreading THAT on the larvae deter them?

55 opnion  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:59:44am

re: #46 goddessoftheclassroom

I wonder whether that soldier disobeyed an order concerning defiling the quran. He would be prosecuted not for shooting it up as much as for insubordination.

Insubordination would probably be the charges. Would Bush actually give the soldier up to Iraqi justice? I doubt it.
If he did there would be a humiliating show trial, demoralising all of our troops in country.
I could see the soldier sentnced to death & then magnanimously recieve a suspended sentence, maybe due to Iranian humanitarian intervention.

56 Karridine  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:00:13am

re: #51 opnion

That is kind of what I meant. Of course they know all of the negatives.
The problem is that they do not consider the issues to be negatives. You know that they have to think that Wright & Ayers are good guys & that Michelle is right.
It really does not matter, Barry's race trumps all.

Wow, when did America enslave Arabs or Arab-Kenyan Americans?

57 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:00:39am

re: #50 hhc 2-2 scr

galloping granny,

From reading a number of your post I gather your rather a gardening guru, maybe you can help me out.
We live in Germany and I have a bunch of lilies in my garden, they are being plagued by this red beetle type bug that kinda sings when held. Not only does it eat the leaves but it also lays its eggs on the leaves and when they hatch the larvae eat the leaves until adult form to continue eating. Besides pesticides, which are frowned upon here, how can I get rid of these things. Getting tired of washing the red blotch of the patio from squishing them, although I must admit it is a little gratifying. Have also found that throwing them in the pond doesn't work unless they land on their back, they swim quite well.

Oh I can help you but you might not like the answer. Those are called red lily beetles and they are very invasive. I had them here last year. They are also pretty fithy - one stage carries their poop around on their back. You can try handpicking them off the lilies. I ended up last year cutting down the lilies and putting the whole stem into a big ziplock until everything disintegrated. Then I sent it off to the landfill. The lillies are back this year.

I try not to use chemicals and the lilies here also happen to be very close to my herb garden. If you don't have those concerns you might find something you can try to kill them with.

58 Jim in Virginia  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:00:53am

re: #10 redc1c4

does this mean that Zahal has taken Damascus?

/wishful

Talking is not necessarily good. Talking from a position of strength is not necessarily bad. The Israelis bombed the Nork nuke site in the Syrian desert back in September. So far the Syrians have done....nothing.
Who knows, maybe we can split Assad from Teheran.
/Dr. Pangloss mode off

59 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:01:18am

re: #54 Karridine

You might try applying a froth of dish-washing soapy foam... to the affected (infected, egg-carrying) leaves...

Taking a blowtorch to them is a bit extreme, although it does work...

Does making a paste of the adults and spreading THAT on the larvae deter them?

Soap does not work on red lily beetles :(

60 Karridine  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:02:53am

re: #50 hhc 2-2 scr

I defer to Granny. Period.

Cut 'em down, bag it up, let it rot, and await the glorious growback.

61 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:03:02am

re: #56 Karridine

Wow, when did America enslave Arabs or Arab-Kenyan Americans?

Arabs DID, however, enslave Americans. Quite some large number of us. A big enough number to send us to war. You've heard of the Shores of Tripoli I'm sure . . .

62 hhc 2-2 scr  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:03:28am

re: #54 Karridine

You might try applying a froth of dish-washing soapy foam... to the affected (infected, egg-carrying) leaves...

Taking a blowtorch to them is a bit extreme, although it does work...

Does making a paste of the adults and spreading THAT on the larvae deter them?

I'm not sure of the ratio for soap versus water and I really don't want to kill them.
Yeah, blowtorching would be pretty extreme. As for the paste ewww, but very interesting, hmmmm.... I wonder.

63 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:04:26am

re: #62 hhc 2-2 scr

I'm not sure of the ratio for soap versus water and I really don't want to kill them.
Yeah, blowtorching would be pretty extreme. As for the paste ewww, but very interesting, hmmmm.... I wonder.

Oh yes you DO want to kill them. Absolutely and unequivocally.

64 opnion  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:04:34am

re: #61 galloping granny

Arabs DID, however, enslave Americans. Quite some large number of us. A big enough number to send us to war. You've heard of the Shores of Tripoli I'm sure . . .

That is why Thomas Jefferson bought a Koran, to learn how the enemy thinks

65 Karridine  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:04:40am

re: #62 hhc 2-2 scr

Nope. See #57 Granny's, above.

66 Karridine  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:05:37am

Kill them, hhc, KILL THEM DEAD!

67 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:06:45am

re: #64 opnion

That is why Thomas Jefferson bought a Koran, to learn how the enemy thinks

He must have been spinning to see that koran used to swear in a congressperson.

68 Jim in Virginia  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:07:39am

re: #63 galloping granny

Oh yes you DO want to kill them. Absolutely and unequivocally.

Are we talking about beetles or some other vermin?

69 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:09:23am

re: #68 Jim in Virginia

Are we talking about beetles or some other vermin?

red lily beetles. Nasty, disgusting things! Though that applies to other vermin too.

70 BlueCanuck  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:10:13am

re: #68 Jim in Virginia

Are we talking about beetles or some other vermin?

re: #69 galloping granny

red lily beetles. Nasty, disgusting things! Though that applies to other vermin too.

Aren't all vermin nasty vile creatures?

/that's why they are called that. :)

71 yesandno  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:10:23am

Obama mailed in his victory speech from Iowa much like the voters in Oregon mailed in their votes from the loony bin of leftist politics.

The national trend never had a time to develop because the early primaries and the media drum banging put both Obama and McCain in the driver's seat. This is an election the media wanted because if its overwhelming symbolism. Young vs old, the warrior vs the humanitarian, black vs white, progressive democrat vs progressive Republican, global activist vs America first. It has all the drama of a bad "B" movie because our hero on the left has no substance and the substance on the right has no hero.

Never have like Hillary, would never vote for her for President. But she seems to be the best candidate right now for the Dems....but since they never admit mistakes, they will just ignore her.

Wonder what life would be like in America if we had a majority of grown-ups actually voting?

72 hhc 2-2 scr  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:12:04am

re: #57 galloping granny

So it sounds like hand picking them off is my best option. Can't cut them down, we only stay in one place for so long so every year counts, going to have to dig them up this fall to try to get them back to the states.
Well at least squishing them into the patio gives me some type of satisfaction.
Thank you and happy gardening to you!

73 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:15:12am

re: #72 hhc 2-2 scr

So it sounds like hand picking them off is my best option. Can't cut them down, we only stay in one place for so long so every year counts, going to have to dig them up this fall to try to get them back to the states.
Well at least squishing them into the patio gives me some type of satisfaction.
Thank you and happy gardening to you!

Two things - just hand picking will not get rid of them. And in order to bring live plant material back to the states you need a certificate of inspection. You will not get one for those lilies if you have red lily bugs. And you shouldn't get one for them. This is a tremendously damaging and invasive species. PLEASE don't bring it home!

74 Jim in Virginia  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:15:43am

re: #71 yesandno


Wonder what life would be like in America if we had a majority of grown-ups actually voting?


Joe Lieberman would be President.

75 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:16:18am

re: #71 yesandno

Bill Kristol just said that this isn't an election, it's a survey. Lots of truth there.

76 Jim in Virginia  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:17:30am

re: #73 galloping granny

This is a tremendously damaging and invasive species. PLEASE don't bring it home!


I'm sending you some kudzu cuttings. Enjoy!

77 hhc 2-2 scr  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:17:48am

I have no problem killing them, do it on a daily basis and my 5 year old helps me, thats how we found out they kinda sing. Creeped me out big time! I was just hoping that there was an easier way of doing so.

78 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:18:40am

re: #76 Jim in Virginia

I'm sending you some kudzu cuttings. Enjoy!

Oh no you don't! I was flabbergasted the last time I was in North Carolina to see hundreds of acres just buried. Whole forests, huge fields, even buildings.

79 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:19:44am

re: #77 hhc 2-2 scr

I have no problem killing them, do it on a daily basis and my 5 year old helps me, thats how we found out they kinda sing. Creeped me out big time! I was just hoping that there was an easier way of doing so.

The problem isn't the adults you see and kill - it is the eggs you cannot see and the mid-stage that looks like a lump of dirt, though it is actually bug shit (use gloves.)

80 yesandno  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:19:45am

re: #75 galloping granny

Bill Kristol just said that this isn't an election, it's a survey. Lots of truth there.


And Mark Steyn mentioned a while back that Democrats have attitudes not policies. This is truly one for the books. This is the win of celebrity over substance.

God help us all.

81 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:20:54am

re: #80 yesandno

And Mark Steyn mentioned a while back that Democrats have attitudes not policies. This is truly one for the books. This is the win of celebrity over substance.

God help us all.

From your lips to his ears . . . . .

otherwise I am afraid that we are in for "change" alright. And it won't be pretty.

82 yesandno  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:21:31am

re: #78 galloping granny

Oh no you don't! I was flabbergasted the last time I was in North Carolina to see hundreds of acres just buried. Whole forests, huge fields, even buildings.


Think South Carolina is worse. Wouldn't if be great if it could be used to make ethanol so the rest of the world could eat!

83 yesandno  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:23:11am

re: #79 galloping granny

The problem isn't the adults you see and kill - it is the eggs you cannot see and the mid-stage that looks like a lump of dirt, though it is actually bug shit (use gloves.)


And why does this remind me of the Democrat Party?

84 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:23:18am

re: #82 yesandno

Think South Carolina is worse. Wouldn't if be great if it could be used to make ethanol so the rest of the world could eat!

That it would. As far as I am concerned, using vital food resources to produce ethanol to burn as fuel is a sin against G_d and a crime against humanity.

85 hhc 2-2 scr  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:23:28am

re: #73 galloping granny

I was just bringing the bulb back, not the whole plant. Army won't pack up plants. Was also going to freeze the bulb so they could survive the 2 month voyage back.
No soil, no plant just the bulb.
But if they live within the bulb theres no way I'm bringing that back with me. They can stay here and I'll start over again.

86 ciaospirit  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:24:11am

re: #71 yesandno

.

but since they never admit mistakes, they will just ignore her.

They sure are ignoring her. The Yahoo news front page this morning only shows a smiling Hussein Obama with a glowing headline. Not a word about Hillery or her huge victory in Kentucky. Much as I dislike her, she really has been up against it and I give her credit for not folding.

87 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:26:26am

re: #85 hhc 2-2 scr

I was just bringing the bulb back, not the whole plant. Army won't pack up plants. Was also going to freeze the bulb so they could survive the 2 month voyage back.
No soil, no plant just the bulb.
But if they live within the bulb theres no way I'm bringing that back with me. They can stay here and I'll start over again.

The bulbs are considered live plant materials. Army probably intends those too when it says "no plants." Surely the Department of Agriculture and Customs do.

One of my daughters just came back from a trip to EU, spent some time in Amsterdam and grabbed a bunch of bulbs while she was there. Every package though has to have a certificate of inspection on it or they will confiscate it at the gate.

Bringing animal or plant materials into the US without the right certificates, etc., carries HUGE fines.

88 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:27:55am

re: #86 ciaospirit

.

They sure are ignoring her. The Yahoo news front page this morning only shows a smiling Hussein Obama with a glowing headline. Not a word about Hillery or her huge victory in Kentucky. Much as I dislike her, she really has been up against it and I give her credit for not folding.

Agreed. And I have to tell you, I think her female supporters who are complaining about disparate treatment and gender discrimination by the media are dead on. Yahoo's front page is a perfect example.

89 opnion  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:30:55am

Bill Richardson was just on FNC. The spin is that Barry did not mean talks with Amendinijad. It was kind of like "Sill is that what you thought?"
He went on to say & you can't make it up, "He meant moderate clerics." Yeah, thats the ticket!

90 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:32:00am

re: #89 opnion

Bill Richardson was just on FNC. The spin is that Barry did not mean talks with Amendinijad. It was kind of like "Sill is that what you thought?"
He went on to say & you can't make it up, "He meant moderate clerics." Yeah, thats the ticket!

That isn't what Obama said. What he meant doesn't count. And there are NO moderate clerics in Iran. The moderate clerics that once lived there left more than 30 years ago. Or were killed.

91 Roentgen  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:33:02am

re: #87 galloping granny

The bulbs are considered live plant materials. Army probably intends those too when it says "no plants." Surely the Department of Agriculture and Customs do.

One of my daughters just came back from a trip to EU, spent some time in Amsterdam and grabbed a bunch of bulbs while she was there. Every package though has to have a certificate of inspection on it or they will confiscate it at the gate.

Bringing animal or plant materials into the US without the right certificates, etc., carries HUGE fines.

Yes, vendors there will sell you stuff that looks like it's packaged ready to take home with you on your flight, but may in fact fail inspection upon return to the U.S., and be a pain in the ass.

92 madisonsfriend  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:34:24am

re: #89 opnion

Bill Richardson was just on FNC. The spin is that Barry did not mean talks with Amendinijad. It was kind of like "Sill is that what you thought?"

I wanted direct talks with Imanutjob when he was in NYC- I was going to tell him to F-k off.

93 Jim in Virginia  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:34:42am

A personal note. I'm bummed. My two seventh grade daughters head off today on the annual school camping trip to West Virginia. Normally I'd go- it's a great trip. Instead I am heading to Nebraska for a funeral. My mom's last surviving sibling died at 92. Mom is 85, (she is in amazingly good health, just got a new cornea.) She will be there along with a dozen cousins, so she will have lots of moral support.I And it will be great for the extended family to get together. There is a lot to be thankful for. My uncle had dementia but was otherwise very content and in good health until a couple week sbefore he died. He had been in a nursing home the last two years. We will probably sell the farm now (he was the last one living there). It has been in the family for over a century. For me, it's grandma's house. It's the house my mom grew up in. Lots of good memories (we've forgotten the bad ones), but as much as we will miss the place, no one wants to live there. What we miss is all the people who used to fill the house.
It will be a bittersweet trip.
I missed my daughters' school trip last year for another out of town funeral. Being a grown up sucks some times.
OK, I'll stop whining. Thanks.

94 opnion  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:35:01am

re: #90 galloping granny

That isn't what Obama said. What he meant doesn't count. And there are NO moderate clerics in Iran. The moderate clerics that once lived there left more than 30 years ago. Or were killed.

You are right on. Barry said nothing about talking to clerics.
If there is a moderate cleric in Iran, the guy is awful quiet.
There is such a disturbing trend, 'Barry did not really say what you heard him say."
You know what is coming? "If you heard what you heard, then you are a racist."

95 madisonsfriend  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:36:04am

re: #82 yesandno

Think South Carolina is worse. Wouldn't if be great if it could be used to make ethanol so the rest of the world could eat!


Can't you make something useful from Kudzu? Wait, I see a future business for me- as soon as I figure it out.

96 Jim in Virginia  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:37:16am

re: #78 galloping granny

Oh no you don't! I was flabbergasted the last time I was in North Carolina to see hundreds of acres just buried. Whole forests, huge fields, even buildings.


If there were a cost effective way to make biofuel from kudzu, we could tell OPEC to kiss our grits.

97 madisonsfriend  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:37:43am

re: #93 Jim in Virginia

I'm sorry for your loss. My mom is the last of a large family-sadly, she is not doing well and is only anxious for "it" to all be over.

98 Widow'smight  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:37:51am

re: #90 galloping granny

By not allowing production/extraction of our own oil, the Dumbocrats/Rinos have give Ach-------Terd exactly what he wants, higher oil prices, more revenue for him. What will Berry give them next, the missiles to put the Nukes in?

99 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:39:16am

re: #93 Jim in Virginia

A personal note. I'm bummed. My two seventh grade daughters head off today on the annual school camping trip to West Virginia. Normally I'd go- it's a great trip. Instead I am heading to Nebraska for a funeral. My mom's last surviving sibling died at 92. Mom is 85, (she is in amazingly good health, just got a new cornea.) She will be there along with a dozen cousins, so she will have lots of moral support.I And it will be great for the extended family to get together. There is a lot to be thankful for. My uncle had dementia but was otherwise very content and in good health until a couple week sbefore he died. He had been in a nursing home the last two years. We will probably sell the farm now (he was the last one living there). It has been in the family for over a century. For me, it's grandma's house. It's the house my mom grew up in. Lots of good memories (we've forgotten the bad ones), but as much as we will miss the place, no one wants to live there. What we miss is all the people who used to fill the house.
It will be a bittersweet trip.
I missed my daughters' school trip last year for another out of town funeral. Being a grown up sucks some times.
OK, I'll stop whining. Thanks.

You're not whining. It is sad. My Dad's (dad is 87, cousin was in his 90's) cousin & his wife passed a few months back. They had lived on the family farm for close to a hundred years, one of the last old time farms in Massachusetts. Still heated with wood, still had a wood cookstove in the kitchen. As long as I can remember we've been going up to the farm. And now the farm is gone. It did go to a landtrust, but still . . .

100 vagabond trader  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:40:15am

re: #79 galloping granny

My lily's have been attacked for the last 2 or 3 seasons.The first year I squished those filthy things big time and it seems to have diminished their numbers.Wondering if there is any other way to get rid of the remainder when they show up this year.

101 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:40:15am

re: #98 Widow'smight

By not allowing production/extraction of our own oil, the Dumbocrats/Rinos have give Ach-------Terd exactly what he wants, higher oil prices, more revenue for him. What will Berry give them next, the missiles to put the Nukes in?

I think the Norks have already given them those. And if they haven't the Russians will. The Cold War is back in spades.

102 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:41:45am

Mornin' all. The beast and obamarama have gone to florida to campaign! Didn't Florida already vote? Oh yeah, they did and the donks said hey you jumped the gun, it doesn't count. Bwahaha!

103 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:41:46am

re: #100 vagabond trader

My lily's have been attacked for the last 2 or 3 seasons.The first year I squished those filthy things big time and it seems to have diminished their numbers.Wondering if there is any other way to get rid of the remainder when they show up this year.

Here is a page at gardenweb about getting rid of them'
[Link: faq.gardenweb.com...]

104 hhc 2-2 scr  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:42:24am

re: #87 galloping granny

Exactly. I don't want to go through all the hassle of getting my bulbs back to the states if the creature is able to survive without the leaves of the plant.
You had said that you had to cut all yours back to get rid of them and didn't have a problem the next year.
I so don't want to bring these nasty things back with me to feast on a new garden. Lilies aren't cheap and I have a limited time in which they can spread to form their beautiful display.
Heck with it. I think I'll just start saving for my new lilies now and leave these behind.

105 vagabond trader  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:43:10am

re: #103 galloping granny

Thanks GG!

106 Roentgen  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:43:39am

re: #93 Jim in Virginia

I hope things work out as best they can.

107 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:44:24am

re: #94 opnion

You are right on. Barry said nothing about talking to clerics.
If there is a moderate cleric in Iran, the guy is awful quiet.
There is such a disturbing trend, 'Barry did not really say what you heard him say."
You know what is coming? "If you heard what you heard, then you are a racist."

There has been a lot of that going on already. Follow the Messiah - except he is the AntiChrist and you are dancing your way to destruction.

Sorry. Not buying. If they want to call me a racist so be it.

108 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:45:17am
109 Dar ul Harbarian  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:45:52am

Found this quote in today's WSJ

"no people in history have ever survived, who thought they could protect their freedom by making themselves inoffensive to their enemies."

- Dean Acheson

110 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:46:06am

re: #104 hhc 2-2 scr

Exactly. I don't want to go through all the hassle of getting my bulbs back to the states if the creature is able to survive without the leaves of the plant.
You had said that you had to cut all yours back to get rid of them and didn't have a problem the next year.
I so don't want to bring these nasty things back with me to feast on a new garden. Lilies aren't cheap and I have a limited time in which they can spread to form their beautiful display.
Heck with it. I think I'll just start saving for my new lilies now and leave these behind.

Oh no, I didn't say I haven't had a problem this year. I cut the leaves and stems down to the ground last year before the bulbs bloomed to get rid of the bugs. The bulbs have shot up new leaves/stems this year, but they are new and most bugs are just starting to arrive here in Vermont. I won't know for another few weeks if I managed to rid my plants of them.

111 Widow'smight  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:46:38am

re: #101 galloping granny

Difference is we only had one non-suicidal enemy to deal with. Now we have many, and our politicians are destroying our leverage by not allowing us to Drill.

John McCain is one of those.

We have enough oil in this country to produce all our own. When we don't need their oil, the equations will change.

112 Jim in Virginia  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:51:24am

Thanks for the kind thoughts. I really have very little to complain about, lots and lots of blessings.
Have a wonderful day, all.

113 godfrey  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:51:39am

re: #93 Jim in Virginia

You have my sympathy, and I'm sure of many others.

114 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:52:59am

re: #111 Widow'smight

Except the moonbats won't let us drill! That is the whole reason for getting polar bears listed as a threatened species. It will stop all drilling, even exploratory wells. Can't drill off of Fla. But Castro is or was going to let the Chicoms drill 90 miles from the coast. We can't drill but the commies can. Madness.

115 madisonsfriend  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:55:01am

re: #114 pingjockey

Except the moonbats won't let us drill! That is the whole reason for getting polar bears listed as a threatened species. It will stop all drilling, even exploratory wells. Can't drill off of Fla. But Castro is or was going to let the Chicoms drill 90 miles from the coast. We can't drill but the commies can. Madness.

Wait, are the polar bears in Florida now? Or is that just the older ones escaping wnter?

116 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:55:12am

Fox is slamming the msm. Apparently things in Irak are going better than they let on! Who'd a thunk it?

117 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:55:50am

re: #115 madisonsfriend
The older, blue haired ones.

118 Widow'smight  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:56:34am

re: #114 pingjockey

President Bush tried to get ANWR and the Gulf opened up 6 years ago when he had a Republican Majority in both houses. The Rinos stopped it in committee.

John McCain was part of that, and with this "Green" crap, he has enough Moonbat in him it seems.

119 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:58:48am

re: #118 Widow'smight
That little speech he made in Oregon did not go over well with me. Gorebull warming is not our no. 1 problem. Crazed jihadi zealots are.

120 rightside  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:59:38am

Anyway you look at it, we're screwed this November!

121 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:00:15am

re: #119 pingjockey

That little speech he made in Oregon did not go over well with me. Gorebull warming is not our no. 1 problem. Crazed jihadi zealots are.

Gorebull warming is so much bull crap. Had I known about the danged petition, it would have had 31,001 signatures instead of 31,000.

122 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:00:44am

re: #120 rightside
This whole having to choose the lesser of evils for elected office is getting very old.

123 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:00:55am

re: #120 rightside

Anyway you look at it, we're screwed this November!

Pretty much - the only question being how screwed we are.

124 Widow'smight  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:01:54am

re: #119 pingjockey

It's May 21st, and it hasn't been over 80 yet here, infact it's been in the 60's most of may.

I need Global warming to get my Tomatoes and Pepper plants going!

125 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:01:55am

re: #121 galloping granny
Well this is the first I heard about a petition. So it would've had mine signature on it too.

126 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:03:16am

re: #124 Widow'smight
Hahaha! Yep. We'v had 2 really hot days, then back down to below average temps here in North Central Wash. State.

127 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:03:27am

re: #124 Widow'smight

It's May 21st, and it hasn't been over 80 yet here, infact it's been in the 60's most of may.

I need Global warming to get my Tomatoes and Pepper plants going!

We haven't made it to 80 yet! My tomatoes and peppers all have really nice root development, but I am starting to worry that they are only going to be 2 or 3 inches tall come Memorial Day.

128 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:04:35am

re: #125 pingjockey

Well this is the first I heard about a petition. So it would've had mine signature on it too.

31,000 card carrying scientists signed a statement saying there was no evidence of global warming, etc. and so forth. Like I said, had I known. .

129 LeonidasOfSparta  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:05:10am

re: #42 stuiec

I don't think I have ever seen everything wrapped so perfectly into one nutshell before-- you're absolutely right. The lens of their thoughtglass is so skewed, not unlike trying to see distance using a magnifying glass, that to them the world is upside down and consequently they create elaborate systems to turn everything right side up (when in fact if they would correct their lens to the proper focal distance they would see it was always right side up.)

130 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:05:29am

re: #128 galloping granny
Well I'm not a card carrying scientist, but I play one at home!

131 rightside  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:05:54am

I just found out that there was a free concert right after obamessiah spoke in Oregon. No wonder there were so may yutes there. Ain't it funny, how the drive-by's neglected to report that?

132 yesandno  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:07:56am

If they DO find a moderate cleric in Iran.............HE WILL HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO POWER.........like talking to the wall.

The stupidity of these people knows no bounds. You cannot spin your foot out of your mouth, particularly when you constantly re-stated what you said to begin with.

We are condemned to stupidity!

133 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:07:59am

re: #131 rightside
We knew that here, but you are right the msm failed to include that little item. It was 80+ in Portland, which is a heatwave so all the kids were out for the concert. No concert, no huge crowd.

134 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:08:08am

re: #130 pingjockey

Well I'm not a card carrying scientist, but I play one at home!

I am. Semi-retired but I still have the card somewhere :)

135 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:09:33am

re: #132 yesandno
No, we are condemed to putting up with stupidity. Our national parties seemed to be determined to apply the Peter principle to its fullest extent.

136 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:10:04am

re: #131 rightside

I just found out that there was a free concert right after obamessiah spoke in Oregon. No wonder there were so may yutes there. Ain't it funny, how the drive-by's neglected to report that?

There was something else funny about that concert. . . . . the band, don't remember there name right this minute but apparent they are very Marxist . . .

137 Widow'smight  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:10:19am

re: #120 rightside

The Democrats rely on these high gas prices, the Msm and control of the educational systems to spread their class warfare and misery.

The more you know, the less likely you'll be a democrat. Course, being a Republican ain't what it used to be either.

Most things in life are pretty simple, Many scripture references about debts and debtors. Time to change the equation.

I feel sorry for those who have a big chunk of their income going to food and fuel, but our politicians don't care about them, they are immune to their suffering, but want their votes.

Time to get Mini-mom on the bus.

138 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:10:37am

re: #134 galloping granny
Cool. Was answereing biology questions the other day, and table of the elements stuff.

139 MandyManners  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:11:55am

re: #136 galloping granny

There was something else funny about that concert. . . . . the band, don't remember there name right this minute but apparent they are very Marxist . . .

From what I remember from last night, the band plays the Soviet National Anthem.

140 rightside  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:12:07am

re: #136 galloping granny

The Decemberists. Never heard of them myself. I have BabbaZee taste in music.

141 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:12:25am

Rudy just slammed obamaramas lack of experience!

142 doriangrey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:12:40am

Good morning Lizards........

143 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:13:29am

re: #138 pingjockey

Cool. Was answereing biology questions the other day, and table of the elements stuff.

That is always fun. I love teaching chemistry in particular - especially to women who think that they could not possibly learn the stuff.

144 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:13:47am

re: #140 rightside
Me neither, but I'm not 19, in college, and have succesful parents who are guilty about being succesful feeding me marxist/leftist pap.

145 rightside  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:13:47am

re: #142 doriangrey

Morning dorian

146 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:13:59am

re: #140 rightside

The Decemberists. Never heard of them myself. I have BabbaZee taste in music.

I never heard of them either. Might go look them up.

147 doriangrey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:14:34am

re: #145 rightside

Morning dorian

Morning rightside..........

148 WayDownSouthInBama  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:14:43am
Work without hope CHANGE draws nectar in a sieve,
And hope CHANGE without an object cannot live.

Some guy named Barry


The political campaign theme of change doesn't change the one thing that needs to be changed...our choices for president.

149 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:14:57am

re: #143 galloping granny
Why don't they think they can learn that? I've never understood some girls mindsets about the "hard" sciences.

150 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:15:56am

re: #146 galloping granny

I never heard of them either. Might go look them up.

Daughter says she is not incredibly fond of their music, that it "isn't particularly - well, musical."

151 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:16:29am

Mornin' DG. WTF is going on down is SD? Bombs in the courthouse, gas explosions, power going off at Lindberg Field? Are there gremlins loose?

152 rightside  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:16:44am

re: #144 pingjockey


I agree. I think after years of the drive-by's doing nothing but hammering that republican=bad, democrat=all that is good and right in the universe, it slowly has become the mindset. Repeat a lie often enough, and.....

153 Lucius Septimius  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:18:27am

Morning all -- 58 degrees and the dryer is broke and two loads of wet clothes and about three more loads that need to be done. If there are appropriate intercessory prayers for appliances, I'd appreciate them.

On the other hand, finally got around to watching "Ratatouille" last night. Cute movie, though there was this constant tension between becoming really hungry looking at the food and really nauseous looking at the rats.

154 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:19:18am

re: #149 pingjockey

Why don't they think they can learn that? I've never understood some girls mindsets about the "hard" sciences.

Its a societal thing. Even my mother, who was a brilliant woman and probably the single most powerful non-elected woman in the US government post WWII, often told me not to let people know how smart I was, that boys don't like girls who are smarter than they are and so on. Even today a tremendous amount of that attitude remains, changed now to something that says that girls/women need to learn math and science "differently" - like we are not capable of understanding things in the same way as a man is. All of which is crap.

155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:19:23am

Just got here; everybody being nice to Kennedy?

156 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:19:41am

re: #152 rightside
I think I read that somewhere, heh.

157 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:19:52am

re: #151 pingjockey

Mornin' DG. WTF is going on down is SD? Bombs in the courthouse, gas explosions, power going off at Lindberg Field? Are there gremlins loose?

SD - South Dakota or San Diego?

158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:20:31am

re: #157 galloping granny

Yesterday Savage was in South Dakota. Should be safe there.

159 opnion  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:20:55am

re: #120 rightside

Anyway you look at it, we're screwed this November!


That is the sad truth. We are so screwed, but I will take my chances with McCain. No other option really.

160 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:20:55am

re: #153 Lucius Septimius

Morning all -- 58 degrees and the dryer is broke and two loads of wet clothes and about three more loads that need to be done. If there are appropriate intercessory prayers for appliances, I'd appreciate them.

On the other hand, finally got around to watching "Ratatouille" last night. Cute movie, though there was this constant tension between becoming really hungry looking at the food and really nauseous looking at the rats.

Did you check the breaker box for a tripped breaker? And kick the miserable thing?

161 rightside  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:20:57am

re: #155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

lol, I don't think he has been mentioned until you did. Some gardening tips, and the obamessiah concert in Orgeon the other day are the hot topics.

162 Dr. Shalit  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:21:06am

re: #16 stuiec

Sorry to mention He-Who-Should-Not-Be-Named, but...

... the result in Oregon wasn't even close.

I wish it had been, or even that she'd managed a win there, because that would have caused a sea-change in the campaign and forced Vobamamort to tack over to bring all his guns to bear on the She-Beast. (I know, I know, mixing Harry Potter and nautical metaphors. It's early, don't yell at me.)

"stuie" -

Better than that - Sen. Obama was the "attraction" following a FREE Concert by a band called the "Decembrists." Free concert, a great way to
gin up a crowd of 75,000. My hat is off, on a professional basis, to whoever figured that one out. A Bronx Cheer to the MSM for not mentioning it.

-S-

163 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:21:20am

re: #154 galloping granny
That is correct. Look how many girls are valedictorians. Bet it is over 60% nation wide.

Everbody has been very polite about the swimmers affliction.

164 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:21:40am

re: #157 galloping granny
San Diego.

165 opnion  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:22:23am

re: #136 galloping granny

There was something else funny about that concert. . . . . the band, don't remember there name right this minute but apparent they are very Marxist . . .

Decemberists
, the Bolshevek Revolution.

166 Lucius Septimius  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:22:42am

re: #160 galloping granny

Heating element went during a humongous thunderstorm last night. It was pretty scary -- at least three tornadoes in the area around us.

167 doriangrey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:22:54am

re: #151 pingjockey

Mornin' DG. WTF is going on down is SD? Bombs in the courthouse, gas explosions, power going off at Lindberg Field? Are there gremlins loose?

Nothing to see here, move along.... All just a confluence of accidents, nothing to worry about, or so our glorious leaders tell us... Secure the borders so terrorists dont sneak in? Dont be absurd, we dont need no stinking secure borders, we just need the sheeple to keep handing their money over and continue being sheeple...

168 rightside  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:23:02am

re: #156 pingjockey

If you won't vote for shrillary/obamessiah, you are obviously a sexist/racist, clinging bitterly to your guns and religion.

169 yesandno  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:23:03am

OT

Obesity contributes to global warming!

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

At least now the whole corn to ethanol thingy makes sense...you have to starve to be globally reponsible.

Paging Al Gore, Paging Al Gore........

170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:23:11am

re: #161 rightside

Well, agree or disagree with him; my wife works in Radiation Oncology and what he has is awful. A horrible way to die, if it is as bad as they are saying.

171 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:23:25am

Here is the Decembrists them song -

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

172 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:24:26am

re: #168 rightside
I am a racist/sexist, NRA, Druid!

173 opnion  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:24:56am

re: #168 rightside

If you won't vote for shrillary/obamessiah, you are obviously a sexist/racist, clinging bitterly to your guns and religion.


So, what to do? You only get one vote unless you live in Chicago.

174 doriangrey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:25:00am

re: #166 Lucius Septimius

Heating element went during a humongous thunderstorm last night. It was pretty scary -- at least three tornadoes in the area around us.

Its Gorebull warming I tell you, we're all doomed... Doomed I say.......

175 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:25:57am

Fox must have Gerry Feraro on speed dial.

176 rightside  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:26:48am

re: #170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My son had it.

177 MandyManners  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:27:21am

re: #171 galloping granny

Here is the Decembrists them song -

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

According to Wiki, they're named after ther December, 1825 revolt against the czar.

178 rightside  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:27:59am

re: #173 opnion

Write in candidate.

179 doriangrey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:28:39am

re: #170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, agree or disagree with him; my wife works in Radiation Oncology and what he has is awful. A horrible way to die, if it is as bad as they are saying.

My brother died of it in Oct of 06, you are right it is awful. I personally dislike his politics, but would never have wished this on him. I am convinced that despite the misguided nature of his politics Ted is a genuine patriot. He will be in my prayers.

180 MandyManners  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:28:42am

Interesting that BHO would appear at their concert.

181 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:28:44am

re: #177 MandyManners
That would make more sense. Wasn't the Bolshevik revolution in October?

182 rightside  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:29:32am

re: #179 doriangrey

I lived in SD til '04!

183 doriangrey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:29:53am

re: #180 MandyManners

Interesting that BHO would appear at their concert.

Why, the Obamanation is obviously a Marxist through and through..

184 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:30:28am

re: #179 doriangrey
Yep. Don't like Teddy at all but wouldn't wish this on him. There are a few other people I'd wish plagues on, but they are across the pond.

185 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:30:42am

re: #162 Dr. Shalit

"stuie" -

Better than that - Sen. Obama was the "attraction" following a FREE Concert by a band called the "Decembrists." Free concert, a great way to
gin up a crowd of 75,000. My hat is off, on a professional basis, to whoever figured that one out. A Bronx Cheer to the MSM for not mentioning it.

-S-

I just hunted up the band on Youtube. They are named after the Decemberist Revolt in 1825 in Russia. What I've listened to is hardly unique music - fairly standard Russian stuff from decades past.

186 doriangrey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:31:06am

re: #182 rightside

I lived in SD til '04!

Aw yes, the good old US Navy.... Join the Navy, get trapped in San Diego California... lol...lol...lol...

187 opnion  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:31:31am

re: #178 rightside

Write in candidate.


Rightside, I sense that we share the same opnion of John McCain.
I was hoping for a more Republican , Republican.
But the thought of Barack Hussein in the White House with his "associates" in & out is too heinous.

188 MandyManners  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:31:46am

re: #185 galloping granny

I just hunted up the band on Youtube. They are named after the Decemberist Revolt in 1825 in Russia. What I've listened to is hardly unique music - fairly standard Russian stuff from decades past.

Soviet National Anthem

1.

Unbreakable union of free republics,
Great Russia has joined forever!
Long live the created by the will of peoples
United and mighty Soviet Union
CHORUS:
To Glory, our free Fatherland
The stronghold of the friendship of peoples
Party of Lenin is the power of the people
It leads us to the triumph of Communism
2.

Through storms the sun of freedom shone to us
And the great Lenin lighted us the way
He raised peoples to the right cause
He inspired us for labour and for acts of heroism
CHORUS
3.

In the victory of the immortal ideas of Communism
We see the future of our country,
And to the Red banner of our glorious Fatherland
We shall always be selflessly loyal
CHORUS

189 opnion  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:32:16am

re: #181 pingjockey

That would make more sense. Wasn't the Bolshevik revolution in October?

Yup, I had that wrong.

190 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:32:23am

re: #170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, agree or disagree with him; my wife works in Radiation Oncology and what he has is awful. A horrible way to die, if it is as bad as they are saying.

Yup. Probably the single most horrible cancer you can have.

191 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:32:36am

re: #186 doriangrey
Well I'd rather get trapped in San Diego than Norfolk, Va. Or Bremerton, Wa.

192 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:33:32am

re: #188 MandyManners

Soviet National Anthem

There are others too - all very USSR-ish.

193 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:34:26am

Ha, how are the shysters gonna spin this? Some Gitmo detainess can't go home cause their countries don't want them back!

194 rightside  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:34:37am

re: #186 doriangrey

Actually, I chose there. Spent my entire career on the east coast, and wanted my final tour to be on the west coast. So many had told me, "you have to go out for a tour on the west coast, so laid back, etc.,"

Little did I know it turned out to be the worst tour of my 20 years. I spent the final 11 months on deployment.

The only thing I miss there is the weather, and Fry's!

195 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:35:17am

re: #192 galloping granny

There are others too - all very USSR-ish.

It really is kind of mind-boggling to hear young people gaga over music that every single one of us recognizes as communist revolutionary music - and the kiddies do not have the first half of a clue.

196 yesandno  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:35:28am

re: #193 pingjockey

Ha, how are the shysters gonna spin this? Some Gitmo detainess can't go home cause their countries don't want them back!

Same way as usual....it's BUSH's fault!

197 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:35:41am

re: #176 rightside

Oh my.

198 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:36:02am

re: #192 galloping granny
Somebody ought to tell those kids the USSR is dead. Pooty Poot is trying to resurrect the Russian Empire, not the USSR. I think he wants to be Czar Pooty Poot the first.

199 rightside  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:36:34am

re: #187 opnion

I am worried about potential supreme court nominees from any of the three. The only solace, is that those who would retire are leftists, IMO. So, no net loss. How wonderful it would be to have one or two more conservatives on the bench.

200 MandyManners  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:36:47am

re: #195 galloping granny

It really is kind of mind-boggling to hear young people gaga over music that every single one of us recognizes as communist revolutionary music - and the kiddies do not have the first half of a clue.

Makes me wonder what they've learned in history classes.

201 MandyManners  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:37:10am

re: #198 pingjockey

Somebody ought to tell those kids the USSR is dead. Pooty Poot is trying to resurrect the Russian Empire, not the USSR. I think he wants to be Czar Pooty Poot the first.

LOL!

202 opnion  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:37:52am

re: #199 rightside

I am worried about potential supreme court nominees from any of the three. The only solace, is that those who would retire are leftists, IMO. So, no net loss. How wonderful it would be to have one or two more conservatives on the bench.


McCain is a mixed bag re the Court. He supported Roberts, but not Allito.

203 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:38:05am

re: #200 MandyManners

Makes me wonder what they've learned in history classes.

Not history for sure.

204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:38:26am

re: #198 pingjockey

Heh, you said poot!

205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:39:02am

I sure am busy in the awful economy. Who'da thunk it?

206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:41:02am

re: #204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Couple of weeks ago, my pastor said (in a sermond) "it is our duty...etc". Walked up to him after and whispered, "Heh, you said doodie." and kept walking.

The next old lady to shake his hand got a face full of laughter spittle.

My work there was finished.

207 laZardo  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:42:03am
Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve,
And hope without an object cannot live.

...CHANGE!

208 doriangrey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:42:33am

re: #194 rightside

Actually, I chose there. Spent my entire career on the east coast, and wanted my final tour to be on the west coast. So many had told me, "you have to go out for a tour on the west coast, so laid back, etc.,"

Little did I know it turned out to be the worst tour of my 20 years. I spent the final 11 months on deployment.

The only thing I miss there is the weather, and Fry's!

ROTFLMAO................yes the weather and Fry's, two of the best things in Insain Diego.......

209 yesandno  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:42:51am

re: #202 opnion

McCain is a mixed bag re the Court. He supported Roberts, but not Allito.

More importantly, the Congress is going to be bad news so getting anyone past someone like smarmy Shumer et. al. isn't going to be easy at best. The most we can hope for is no one getting confirmed, because the only ones likely to get out of committee will not be conservative jurists..

And the list of "litmus" tests will be long indeed...

210 doriangrey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:44:41am

re: #206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Couple of weeks ago, my pastor said (in a sermond) "it is our duty...etc". Walked up to him after and whispered, "Heh, you said doodie." and kept walking.

The next old lady to shake his hand got a face full of laughter spittle.

My work there was finished.

Hmmm, looks like you got a potty mind this morning........... ;P

211 Endangered in MASS  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:45:07am

re: #188 MandyManners

Nice people. Glorification of the Soviet Union in any any form repugnant.

They couldn't find a band in SS regalia to play Duetchland Uber Alles or Die Horst Wessell Lied ?

212 littleO  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:46:28am

Yet, belief in spiritual guidance
though not respected, nor, reflected
can turn tides with a firm stance.

213 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:47:59am

This is on the front page of the NYT:

Operation in Sadr City Is an Iraqi Success, So Far


BAGHDAD — Iraqi forces rolled unopposed through the huge Shiite enclave of Sadr City on Tuesday, a dramatic turnaround from the bitter fighting that has plagued the Baghdad neighborhood for two months, and a qualified success for Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki.

Good news about Iraq on the front page of the NYT. Flying pig moment?

214 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:49:00am

re: #213 NJDhockeyfan
A gliding pig. Not flying.

215 doriangrey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:49:44am

re: #211 Endangered in MASS

Nice people. Glorification of the Soviet Union in any any form repugnant.

They couldn't find a band in SS regalia to play Duetchland Uber Alles or Die Horst Wessell Lied ?

Probably just couldnt get the bands uniforms cleaned in time.......I mean seriously its Oregon were talking about right? The only place in the country that is capable of making San Fransicko look, well conservative and sane...

216 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:50:18am

Darth Rove on Fox now. Ha, called obamarama an 'elitist'.

217 laZardo  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:50:55am

re: #213 NJDhockeyfan

Note the So Far in the title. Not holding my breath.

218 doriangrey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:50:58am

re: #214 pingjockey

A gliding pig. Not flying.

Hmmm sure you dont mean Gelded? As in a gelding horse... er pig?

219 Endangered in MASS  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:51:02am

re: #214 pingjockey

I would not want to get underneath any airborne porcine object originating from the NYT.

220 maddogg  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:51:38am

We have a couple of people down dinging this open thread, what the hell is that about?

221 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:52:19am

re: #215 doriangrey
Ummm, no. They are just two halves of the same loony whole. I don't think anything could make SF look sane. Wait a minute, St. Pancakes alma mater, Evergreen State College. Somewhere over in the moonbat half of my state.

222 doriangrey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:52:24am

re: #219 Endangered in MASS

I would not want to get underneath any airborne porcine object originating from the NYT.

You are already under it, your only hope it to pray for strong winds and keep your head down........

223 laZardo  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:53:07am

re: #211 Endangered in MASS

Did someone say Motherland?

224 Endangered in MASS  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:53:16am

re: #215 doriangrey


Those douche bags need to spend some time with some folks that lived in DDR and USSR.

225 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:53:58am

re: #218 doriangrey
I think the NY Slimes is gelded about the facts. That don't fit their template. Haven't figured out how this made the front page.

226 doriangrey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:54:42am

re: #220 maddogg

We have a couple of people down dinging this open thread, what the hell is that about?

I dont know and cant say I recognize either of them either. Trolls loose in Lizard land perhaps?

227 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:55:25am

re: #226 doriangrey

Where? Way back upthread?

228 maddogg  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:55:46am

re: #226 doriangrey

I dont know and cant say I recognize either of them either. Trolls loose in Lizard land perhaps?


Must be. Come on out and play, trolls. I be hongry!

229 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:55:56am

Good morning y'all - from a warm (59 degrees, going up to 80 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

230 DistantThunder  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:56:37am

This is the point of the movie when Godzilla is wrestling with the T-Rex. Two Gargantuans in a life and death struggle - and only one can survive.

I hope Obama has a food taster by now.

231 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:57:19am

re: #229 realwest
Fine! How's y'all?

232 doriangrey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:57:23am

re: #225 pingjockey

I think the NY Slimes is gelded about the facts. That don't fit their template. Haven't figured out how this made the front page.

Yup, the Slimes has definitely been intellectually gelded.... Oh crap... sirians heading out of town and I need to leave for work, hope this doesnt complicate my commute.

233 WriterMom  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:58:20am
234 doriangrey  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:59:14am

re: #227 pingjockey

Where? Way back upthread?

Dinging the thread down, not posting...

re: #228 maddogg

Must be. Come on out and play, trolls. I be hongry!

Whats for breakfast... Why freshly BBQ's gamey troll buttocks of course... lol...lol...lol...

235 Endangered in MASS  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:59:27am

re: #223 laZardo


The bad old days. I did two tours in Germany in the 80's ( 2nd AD and 1st AD) and replicated Russian tactics at the NTC at Ft Irwin as part of the 32nd Guards Motorized Rifle Regiment (OPFOR). I have been through Check Point Charlie and spent time East Berlin when it was the DDR.

I de- fucking - test commies.

236 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:00:29am

re: #227 pingjockey
Good morning! No the two trolls who dinged down this entire thread - their names are "all else failed" and "xwarzone" - I frankly have never heard of either one of them myself.
Must be registered lizards who aren't really lizards, just idjits who managed to sneak in during registration so they could bop Charles (and us) when they thought it safe to do so.

YO! all else failed and xwarzone - come on out and play!

237 Killian Bundy  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:00:42am

Next Stop, Supreme Court?

It's likely that the next president will face at least one Supreme Court vacancy. Obama should promise Hillary Clinton, now, that if he wins in November, the vacancy will be hers, making her first on a list of one.

Obama and Clinton have wound up agreeing on nearly every major issue during the campaign; at the end of the day, they share many orthodoxies. Unless the Supreme Court were to get mired in minuscule details of what constitutes universal health care, Obama could assume that he'd be pleased with most Clinton votes, certainly on major issues such as abortion.

/be afraid

238 Widow'smight  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:00:47am

re: #221 pingjockey

Surprisingly for a Blue State, there are very few Moonbats here in PA. The part of Pittsburgh near Carnagie Mellon is one enclave. They might be angry cause they're surrounded by so many Rednecks.

I never get a chance to go to one of their parades, would like to carry Old Glory around during one of them.

239 madisonsfriend  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:01:51am

re: #128 galloping granny

31,000 card carrying scientists signed a statement saying there was no evidence of global warming, etc. and so forth. Like I said, had I known. .


What kind of card do they carry?

240 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:02:16am

re: #235 Endangered in MASS

The bad old days. I did two tours in Germany in the 80's ( 2nd AD and 1st AD) and replicated Russian tactics at the NTC at Ft Irwin as part of the 32nd Guards Motorized Rifle Regiment (OPFOR). I have been through Check Point Charlie and spent time East Berlin when it was the DDR.

I de- fucking - test commies.

I sat smack dab in the middle of the Fulda Gap in the 60's & 70's. I know exactly what you mean.

/never got close to Checkpoint Charlie. Forbidden to go to Berlin.

241 LeonidasOfSparta  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:02:58am

Babba-- where are you these days? If you're out there reading-- Hi Babba!

{babba zee}

242 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:03:53am

re: #237 Killian Bundy

Next Stop, Supreme Court?

/be afraid

I would find that pretty surprising. I think the MSM is offering up this idea and the VP slot trying to induce her to quit so Annointed One can proceed to his coronation unimpeded.

243 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:03:58am

re: #231 pingjockey I'm doing ok, thanks - LOTS of chores to do today with Mom, but otherwise just fine.
Just listened to Karl Rove and Terry McCauliffe on Fox News talking about the primaries.
Did you know that Hillary after last nights' primaries, now leads Obama in popular votes by about 150,000?!
Wasn't it Obama - back when the superdelegates were in Hillary's back pocket - who was saying the "will of the people in terms of popular vote shouldn't be overturned by the party insiders"?!
HEY Obama - how do you feel about that now, hmmm?!
ROFL!

244 phil flavin  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:05:56am

re: #243 realwest

Is that counting FL and MI?

245 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:06:36am

re: #241 LeonidasOfSparta Hey there, I think Babba's working on her blog today.

246 pingjockey  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:07:15am

Later folks. Have a fine Lizard day.

247 laZardo  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:07:36am

re: #243 realwest

"There were many people out there who could not vote during these elections, and perhaps belatedly, I would like to call upon their duly and democratically elected representatives to help them express their support."

248 madisonsfriend  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:07:38am

Popular Vote Total 16,649,545 49.0% 16,207,987 47.7% Obama +441,558 +1.3%

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 16,983,629 49.1% 16,431,849 47.5% Obama +551,780 +1.6%

Popular Vote (w/FL) 17,225,759 48.2% 17,078,973 47.8% Obama +146,786 +0.4%

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 17,559,843 48.3% 17,302,835 47.6% Obama +257,008 +0.7%

Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)** 17,225,759 47.5% 17,407,282 48.0% Clinton +181,523 +0.50%

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 17,559,843 47.5% 17,631,144 47.7% Clinton +71,301 +0.20

249 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:08:47am

re: #244 phil flavin I don't know but I don't think so, cause just before that Karl was talking about "seating" Florida and Michigan and how if the Dem's don't do that, they risk throwing Florida and Michigan to the Repub's in the general election.
But I'm not sure if that popular vote count includes Florida and/or Michigan.
Hey, what's your avatar?

250 laZardo  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:09:04am
251 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:10:45am

re: #247 laZardo Heee.
Yeah, I'm just eating this Democrat disarray with a spoon!

252 tfc3rid  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:12:46am

Good morning everyone... Hope everyone is doing well...

Beautiful morning here in the Big Apple...

253 phil flavin  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:13:15am

re: #249 realwest

My beloved, and first place Columbus Crew!

254 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:13:36am

re: #250 laZardo Well no one can replace BZ as the music of WLGF, but here's something that might tide you over:
[Link: www.imeem.com...]

255 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:14:56am

re: #252 tfc3rid
Good morning my friend! Gosh I really LOVED NYC in the spring - actually loved it year round but spring especially!
How are you doing today?

256 maddogg  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:15:38am

Well, guess what folks, we have at least 3 different trolls dinging down the other threads from yesterday. Such brave trolls!

257 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:15:54am

re: #253 phil flavin
Well I know what crew is but where or what is Columbus?!

258 sparrowlake  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:17:41am

It was just a goofy kid who shot a prayer book for crying out loud.
Maybe it has become politically correct in our society to pander to religious zealots - I guess we've all been conditioned to tolerate increasing degrees of deference over the last 20 years thanks to our very own home-grown bible-thumping preachers and politicians. None of that however prepared me for the most recent nauseating spectacle of U.S. military leaders literally kissing up to Iraqi religious zealots in a public display of dhimmitude.
If this represents the type of fawning, coddling, submissive relationship we are to have with our so-called Iraqi allies, then maybe we shouldn't worry too much about Obama - could his nose get much browner than what we just witnessed?

259 Endangered in MASS  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:17:53am

re: #240 galloping granny


I went on a tour to West Berlin with a group of soldiers. While there we went on a tour of East Berlin in Class A uniform. As part of the SOFA ( status of forces agreement) French, British, US and Soviet had access to the other's zones in Berlin for recreational purposes.

As part of the tour we were left for two hours in East Berlin in the Alexandria Platz or as the commies so ingeniously redsignated it ,Karl Marx Platz. It was surreal.

Taking pictures of bridges,military installations etc was verbotten and result in immediate STASI or KGB interdiction.

260 phil flavin  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:17:54am

re: #257 realwest

Well I know what crew is but where or what is Columbus?!

Columbus is a slightly less fashionable part of the midwest! (for the record the Crew is a MLS team.)

261 MandyManners  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:17:59am

Three visits from Reuters today already?

262 tfc3rid  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:18:16am

re: #255 realwest

Good morning my friend! Gosh I really LOVED NYC in the spring - actually loved it year round but spring especially!
How are you doing today?

I'm all right... Heading for Boston tomorrow for the long weekend... Should be fun...

How are you doing?

263 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:18:28am

re: #256 maddogg Hey there maddogg! What are there names? Are "all else failed" and "xwargame" two of 'em? They were the two dinging down THIS thread and whom I invited to come out and play at #236 but I reckon they don't feel like chatting with us!

264 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:20:07am

re: #260 phil flavin Ah, as in "Goodbye Columbus"?! And I'm sorry, but I thought "crew" was a sculling term!

265 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:21:01am

re: #259 Endangered in MASS

I went on a tour to West Berlin with a group of soldiers. While there we went on a tour of East Berlin in Class A uniform. As part of the SOFA ( status of forces agreement) French, British, US and Soviet had access to the other's zones in Berlin for recreational purposes.

As part of the tour we were left for two hours in East Berlin in the Alexandria Platz or as the commies so ingeniously redsignated it ,Karl Marx Platz. It was surreal.

Taking pictures of bridges,military installations etc was verbotten and result in immediate STASI or KGB interdiction.

I remember. Lots of folks I knew got to go to Berlin, but because of my mother's position with the government I was not allowed to go to a huge number of places most US citizens could visit at the time. Had an entire page of "not valid for" stamps in the front of the passport.

266 phil flavin  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:21:10am

re: #263 realwest

Hey there maddogg! What are there names? Are "all else failed" and "xwargame" two of 'em? They were the two dinging down THIS thread and whom I invited to come out and play at #236 but I reckon they don't feel like chatting with us!

Gotta use my troll call.

No blood for oil!
Chimpy McHalliburton
HOPECHANGE
florida 2000
Ohio 2004

That should do it.

267 ibmkeyboard  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:21:41am

re: #251 realwest

Heee.
Yeah, I'm just eating this Democrat disarray with a spoon!

morning west!

Obamas changes
will lower
gas prices
down to 12 dollars a gallon.

Affordable health care for the world!
/but you will pay 80 dollars trying to get to a doctor.

268 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:21:51am

re: #262 tfc3rid I'm doing ok, I guess - hope you have a great weekend in Bahston! LOL! And they think youse all have a funny accent!
Gee I really miss living/working in Manhattan SO MUCH.
Do you know if NYC is gonna have a Memorial Day Parade and if so will it be on Monday?

269 laZardo  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:22:27am

re: #254 realwest

Well, she's never failed to surprise.

270 freetoken  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:23:25am

re: #111 Widow'smight

We have enough oil in this country to produce all our own.

That is somewha similar to what another person said earlier this morning (though his was even a stronger statement.)

So, I will ask you the same question I asked him: do you have any evidence for this?

As far as I can determine, from what estimates I can find for southern California, Florida, and ANWR, even if all three were tapped simultaneously they would be nowhere near enough daily production to replace our 11 million barrel per day (roughly) imports.

271 MandyManners  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:24:04am

I wonder if Bruce Cockburn will become more popular if BHO is elected. Other extreme lefty musicians?

272 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:24:40am

re: #267 ibmkeyboard
HEY THERE YOU! How are you doing ibm? Gee I haven't seen you around in a while and it's good to see you again!
Yeah, well I'd make book now that Obama ain't gonna win - something like 50% of Hillary's backers have stated in Exit Polls that they could "never" vote for Obama! LOL!
But I'm afraid those gas prices are gonna go up, no matter who the next POTUS is.

273 maddogg  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:24:50am

re: #263 realwest

Hey there maddogg! What are there names? Are "all else failed" and "xwargame" two of 'em? They were the two dinging down THIS thread and whom I invited to come out and play at #236 but I reckon they don't feel like chatting with us!


Morning, realwest. Besides the two dinging this thread down, we also have Artki, and wvobiwan. I too have invited them to breakfast.

274 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:25:14am
275 Endangered in MASS  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:25:23am

re: #265 galloping granny

Was your mom a spook?

276 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:25:48am

re: #266 phil flavin
Are those the nicnames of the folks dinging folks down on the threads from yesterday?! Who the hell are they?! Which threads?

277 laZardo  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:26:48am

re: #271 MandyManners

...Cock-burn?

/hump day penis thread is now in session

278 nyc redneck  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:26:48am

re: #241 LeonidasOfSparta

Babba-- where are you these days? If you're out there reading-- Hi Babba!

{babba zee}

yes, where's babba?
anyway, good morning everyone.

abt. hussein's, big crowd, well, jon cary was able to get 80,000 people at a rally. they showed up to see bruce springstien, enjoyed the music and then promptly went home w/out voting.
so a big crowd is no guarantee.

279 MandyManners  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:26:49am

re: #274 buzzsawmonkey

Now there's an insufferably smug performer I have mercifully not heard about for a while.

I went to see him in Seattle at some theater downtown. Good show. That was when I was still a member of the CPUSA.

280 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:26:56am

re: #269 laZardo Good One! Try another one next, ok?

281 MandyManners  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:27:18am

re: #277 laZardo

...Cock-burn?

/hump day penis thread is now in session

*whack*

Seriously, it's pronounced "Coburn" but, you knew that already, didn't you?

282 BFSkinner  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:28:02am

Hi all from metro Chicago.

283 Endangered in MASS  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:28:44am

re: #271 MandyManners


You've done it now.

284 laZardo  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:28:55am

re: #281 MandyManners

*whacked* X_x

But seriously, I don't know many extreme lefty musicians apart from the ones on MTV here. (; I tried to prevent myself from cringing when I saw U2's Katrina tribute video...

285 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:28:58am

Morning all!

286 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:29:16am

re: #279 MandyManners
Good morning Mandy! How are you today?

287 phil flavin  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:29:30am

re: #266 phil flavin

re: #276 realwest


No. I just figured those trite phrases would draw them out from under their rocks.

288 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:29:30am

re: #285 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Morning all!

Good morning cutie!

289 tigerwoman  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:29:31am

Okay Lizards please help me as my head is about to explode. Did anyone hear this?! My damn BP is through the roof. I HATE our press. All I heard about this was Obama drew 75K people to one of his rallies. It ruined my day when I heard this. Now the truth comes out. Spread the word guys and gals! Do the job our press refuses to do!

Free Concert Preceded Obamas Big Rally

290 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:29:50am
291 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:29:58am

re: #275 Endangered in MASS

Was your mom a spook?

Would you believe I do not know? There are some things I know about her life, but there is an entire decade completely missing. I know she was at Yalta. There are some things I have known about all of my life that I only learned as an adult were not public knowledge. And when she came to visit me in Germany we were leaving the airport and she looks around, says "Why I haven't been here since. . " and slapped both hands over her face. Flatly refused to say another word, no matter how I begged. In her later years she had brain surgery several times - always with the Men In Black in the same room in case she said something she shouldn't have. (I don't know if they were Secret Service or FBI or CIA.)

292 MandyManners  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:30:11am

re: #274 buzzsawmonkey

Now there's an insufferably smug performer I have mercifully not heard about for a while.

Are he and Alexander Cockburn related?

293 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:30:35am
294 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:30:36am

re: #282 BFSkinner Good morning to you. Say, didn't you write a book about behavioral science or was that someone else?!

295 WriterMom  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:30:54am

You all really should listen to Steyn on the radio...he's so funny. Talkign about Obama and the Bush speech now.

296 Widow'smight  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:31:08am

re: #270 freetoken

There are also hundreds of wells still capped, a huge Oil-shale deposit in Colorado/Utah, a estimated 400 billion barrel field in Montana/N. Dakota. Plus, there are many places in the Gulf of Mexico we're not allowed to explore.

We went from 9 million barrels per day production in 1985 to 5 million today, and it wasn't because the wells dried up.

There is also enough Natural Gas in the Gulf to Power every home in the US for 150 years from what I read.

What are we saving it for?

297 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:31:09am

re: #289 tigerwoman

Okay Lizards please help me as my head is about to explode. Did anyone hear this?! My damn BP is through the roof. I HATE our press. All I heard about this was Obama drew 75K people to one of his rallies. It ruined my day when I heard this. Now the truth comes out. Spread the word guys and gals! Do the job our press refuses to do!

Free Concert Preceded Obamas Big Rally

Yes we heard about it. Very communist band it was too. I posted links above.

298 MandyManners  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:31:14am

re: #284 laZardo

*whacked* X_x

But seriously, I don't know many extreme lefty musicians apart from the ones on MTV here. (; I tried to prevent myself from cringing when I saw U2's Katrina tribute video...

Rage against the Machine.

Is Tracey Chapman an extreme lefty?

299 WriterMom  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:31:15am

re: #293 buzzsawmonkey

Lefty LUUUUUVS free stuff.

300 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:31:15am
301 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:31:47am

re: #281 MandyManners

*wha* the ck is silent

Seriously, it's pronounced "Coburn" but, you knew that already, didn't you?

See above. It's going to get confusing if the silent "ck" becomes popular.

/Time to get ba to work; I need to go ki start the day.

302 Endangered in MASS  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:31:50am

re: #290 buzzsawmonkey

"He's big with OXFAM. His career is that of an emotional vulture, stuffed fat on the carrion of other people's misery. He comes back from some leftist starvation swamp and makes pretty ditties of peasant misery for his broad-backsided audiences, so that they can feel vicarious empathy for the Noble Poor."

But can you trip on his crunchy grooves?

303 Grammy Cracker  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:31:54am

GOOD MORNING, LIZARDS! Is everyone doing well today, I hope? HOPE! CHANGE!

How about a little humor with your morning coffee?

/The site's a work in progress, but I'm having fun doing it.

304 BFSkinner  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:32:09am

re: #294 realwest

Good morning to you. Say, didn't you write a book about behavioral science or was that someone else?!


The "real" B.F. Skinner was the most famous Psychologist of the last century. He led the field of Radical Behaviorism. He was an Agnostic Humanist. Founder of Operant Conditioning. He is the person I most admire, so I use the handle online.

305 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:32:14am

re: #270 freetoken How's about if we did all that - could we make up the differnece in imports from say Mexico and Canada?

306 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:32:39am

re: #291 galloping granny

Wow. Just plain wow.

307 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:33:04am

re: #285 The Pulchritudinous Patriot Good morning to you! How are you this fine morning?

308 MandyManners  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:33:22am

re: #290 buzzsawmonkey

He's big with OXFAM. His career is that of an emotional vulture, stuffed fat on the carrion of other people's misery. He comes back from some leftist starvation swamp and makes pretty ditties of peasant misery for his broad-backsided audiences, so that they can feel vicarious empathy for the Noble Poor.

Don't like the fellow much do ya'?!

I googled and found this.

309 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:33:39am
310 MandyManners  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:33:54am

re: #286 realwest

Good morning Mandy! How are you today?

I'm fine! How're you and your mom?

311 Carl B  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:34:24am

** Breaking News at Augean Stables **
French court reportedly overturns Karsenty conviction in al-Dura hoax!

More details to follow. But word from Paris is that the court dismissed charges against Philippe Karsenty today. Now we get to see how the French (and Western) MSM handle this. It’s a stunning victory for Karsenty and loss for Enderlin and France2 who initiated this case when they didn’t have to.

In order for an appeals court to reverse a decision, they must have strong evidence to the contrary.

The fact that they did indicates that their written decision will be very critical of France2. The implications of this decision are immense. We’ll be following up in the days, weeks and months to come.

312 Endangered in MASS  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:34:25am

re: #298 MandyManners

Is Tracey Chapman an extreme lefty?

I am gonna go out on limb and say her idea of "social justice" would be a Mao like purge of undesirables.

313 laZardo  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:34:35am

re: #298 MandyManners

RAtM = Sellout. >__>

Dunno about Chapman though, I hardly watch MTV at all anymore... 'cept for perhaps Celebrity Deathmatch.

314 MandyManners  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:34:47am

re: #300 buzzsawmonkey

I don't believe so; Bruce is Canadian, and Alex is a Brit.

Remarkable coincidence in the name.

315 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:35:01am

re: #290 buzzsawmonkey Hey buzz - I dinged you up on that! Loved that last " He comes back from some leftist starvation swamp and makes pretty ditties of peasant misery for his broad-backsided audiences, so that they can feel vicarious empathy for the Noble Poor." a lot!

316 tigerwoman  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:35:24am

Thank you Granny. Sorry I didn't have time to read the entire thread. I should have known you guys were on top of this!

317 MandyManners  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:35:31am

re: #301 OldLineTexan

See above. It's going to get confusing if the silent "ck" becomes popular.

/Time to get ba to work; I need to go ki start the day.

ROFLMAO! LOL!

318 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:35:34am

re: #304 BFSkinner

The "real" B.F. Skinner was the most famous Psychologist of the last century. He led the field of Radical Behaviorism. He was an Agnostic Humanist. Founder of Operant Conditioning. He is the person I most admire, so I use the handle online.

One of my final Psych papers that I wrote was on Skinner. I think he had some good ideas, but later psychologists took some strange turnings and didn't fully flesh out what he was heading toward.

319 Endangered in MASS  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:35:44am

re: #304 BFSkinner


Oh....

I thought it was Principal Skinner.

320 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:35:54am

re: #306 OldLineTexan

Wow. Just plain wow.

It is actually pretty frustrating you know. My mother died nearly 30 years ago so I can't get any further information from her, my Dad refuses to say anything and yet as family things come our way we keep discovering things. Two years ago I discovered that the name that I knew her as was similar to but not the same as the one she was born with - changed right after she went to DC.

321 ibmkeyboard  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:36:38am

re: #281 MandyManners

re: #277 laZardo

...Cock-burn?

/hump day penis thread is now in session

*whack*

Why cant we ever have a legs thread?

[Link: www.zoccoli-style.com...]

322 Widow'smight  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:37:01am

re: #301 OldLineTexan

I didn't know this guy could sing, although he could blast a corn dodger out of the air while drunk with his Colt.

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

How ya doin?

323 laZardo  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:37:03am

re: #320 galloping granny

Maybe she was a ZIONIST AGENT. O_O

324 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:37:51am
325 vxbush  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:38:10am

*Yawn*

Good morning, everyone. It's taking me an extra long time to wake up today. Reading some interesting news today: some good, some insane. Not sure what people would be interested in here.

326 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:38:14am

re: #322 Widow'smight

I am just barely here. Please don't tell me Rooster's "g" is silent; I've so few bubbles left to burst.

327 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:38:25am

re: #321 ibmkeyboard

Why cant we ever have a legs thread?

[Link: www.zoccoli-style.com...]


I second that. Then we could play some ZZ Top instead of getting Cockburned!

328 BFSkinner  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:38:38am

re: #318 Mars Needs Neocons

One of my final Psych papers that I wrote was on Skinner. I think he had some good ideas, but later psychologists took some strange turnings and didn't fully flesh out what he was heading toward.

Unfortuantly a lot of what he taught is not taught correctly by many professors today who mis-represent what his views were. I know, big suprise huh, that professors of today do not do a good job in teaching reality. :)

329 GeeWiz  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:39:08am

re: #303 Grammy Cracker

LOL! Great site, I'm impress.

330 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:40:39am
331 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:40:46am

re: #303 Grammy Cracker Hey there {Grammy}! Oh, No - you've started a blog, TOO?! Egads, Mandy's starting one too (one of these days) and BZ and lawhawk and zombie and Jammie all already have theirs, who the heck is gonna be left to chat with?
LOL! Great, funny first time out of the gates though Grammy, I must say! Loved Kerry's answer to why did the chicken cross the road!

332 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:41:05am

I think also if you read my comment from the other day you'll see that BHO is the product of a twisted kind of conditioning. Maybe not as direct as operant conditioning, but absolutely some form of social engineering.

333 MandyManners  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:41:05am

re: #312 Endangered in MASS

Is Tracey Chapman an extreme lefty?

I am gonna go out on limb and say her idea of "social justice" would be a Mao like purge of undesirables.

I like "Fast Car"

334 laZardo  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:41:23am
335 ibmkeyboard  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:41:48am

re: #327 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I second that. Then we could play some ZZ Top instead of getting

Cockburned!

that has to hurt.

336 Kulhwch  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:41:53am

re: #2 BlueCanuck

Dang, I think the auto quote function has ingested a dose of Hopium.

/can't remember it's half-life

Well, as long as it's not Thiotimoline, we're okay ...

}:)     ['morning, lizards ... *yawn* ... is there fresh coffee?]

337 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:41:59am
338 yesandno  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:41:59am

re: #270 freetoken

That is somewha similar to what another person said earlier this morning (though his was even a stronger statement.)

So, I will ask you the same question I asked him: do you have any evidence for this?

As far as I can determine, from what estimates I can find for southern California, Florida, and ANWR, even if all three were tapped simultaneously they would be nowhere near enough daily production to replace our 11 million barrel per day (roughly) imports.

Don't think the initial response to all this is "REPLACEMENT". Rather then that, it is a way to begin to reduce dependence and still have enough fuel to let the economy function while we develop alternative resources. It isn't a question of one against the other, but rather a manner of allowing us breathing room until we can sever the chord.

339 maddogg  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:42:00am

re: #321 ibmkeyboard

Why cant we ever have a legs thread?

[Link: www.zoccoli-style.com...]

I too, am a leg man, and thats a good question. Discrimination! Equal time for gams!

340 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:42:02am

re: #304 BFSkinner Well if he's the person you most admire, I don't blame you for using his name as your nic. Uh, is he still alive (sorry for my ignorance here)?

341 Grammy Cracker  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:42:03am

re: #329 GeeWiz

LOL! Great site, I'm impress.

Thanks! I pretty much had to do it....holding all the inevitable rants in during this election cycle was giving me a screaming headache...LOL

If only I could get the layout the way I want it... Sigh. Not quite geeky enough yet, don't ya know!

342 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:42:10am

re: #330 buzzsawmonkey

If you did a paper on Skinner and Kinsey, you could call it "Skinner and Boner."

That was just plain awful. LOL

343 Dustoff-507  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:42:26am

OK I'm here, the cheering can start.

/ hope I don't get beat for that one. (-:

344 Endangered in MASS  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:42:41am

re: #291 galloping granny


I'll take that as a yes. Sounds like she was old school OSS. The kind that was privy to and participated in some heavy duty skullduggery.

345 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:42:53am

re: #334 laZardo

I declare a fatwa on you for that.

May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits.

346 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:42:59am
347 Ojoe  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:43:10am

I can't eat as much as I want. Guess I'll eat my shorts.

348 BFSkinner  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:43:11am

re: #340 realwest

Well if he's the person you most admire, I don't blame you for using his name as your nic. Uh, is he still alive (sorry for my ignorance here)?

Yes, he died in 1990 or so.

349 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:43:36am

re: #310 MandyManners
Glad to hear you're doing well! I'm more or less ok, and Mom is good, but she always gets "tense" whenever we have a list of daunting chores to do and boy do we have one today!

350 laZardo  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:43:52am

re: #321 ibmkeyboard

Then it's time to get dressed...

351 WriterMom  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:44:00am

re: #343 Dustoff-507

YAY YAY YAY

/how's that on one coffee?

352 Ojoe  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:44:21am

Half a biscuit for breakfast and no bacon, and the world will love us once again.

353 maddogg  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:44:22am

re: #347 Ojoe

I can't eat as much as I want. Guess I'll eat my shorts.


If Obama can get all the lefties to stop eating, I'll vote for him.

354 Kenneth  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:44:39am

re: #324 buzzsawmonkey

Good morning. I once had the great displeasure of sitting at a table next to the Bruce Cockburn was sitting at in a restaurant in Toronto. Surrounded by sycophants he held forth on all topics with a whiny self-important faux-sensitive morally superior tone. In fact in everything, he would insist on his moral superiority: which food to order, which wine to drink, which films & plays he had "been impressed with"...on & on & on. The man was a Class A Drip.

I found myself singing, "if i had a rocket launcher..."

355 Grammy Cracker  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:44:49am

re: #331 realwest

Hey there {Grammy}! Oh, No - you've started a blog, TOO?! Egads, Mandy's starting one too (one of these days) and BZ and lawhawk and zombie and Jammie all already have theirs, who the heck is gonna be left to chat with?
LOL! Great, funny first time out of the gates though Grammy, I must say! Loved Kerry's answer to why did the chicken cross the road!

Well....since I have exactly NO previous experience in creating and maintaining a blog, I decided to start three at once! What the heck....LOL

My 'Crumbs' site is the only one for commentary, news and humor, though. I have one for photography and one for dog-related issues, too.

I've been busy lately.....

356 Dustoff-507  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:45:37am

re: #351 WriterMom


See, I'm so loved. LOL


/now I'm really going to get beat!

357 Ojoe  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:45:46am

re: #351 WriterMom

Do not drink so much coffee, other countries say it is not OK.

358 MandyManners  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:45:47am

re: #324 buzzsawmonkey

I don't like his politics, and I don't like that he gives them--or used to give them--an extra gloss by claiming to be some sort of born-again.

For the most part, he has managed to keep his World Empathy Quest out of the Middle East, but I believe that I once heard/read of him coming out for the "Palestinians." I didn't like that either.

From what I can recall, he really loved the Sandinistas.

359 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:46:03am

re: #320 galloping granny Good morning {galloping granny} you really ought to write a book - do a little more research and write it - your mom was a fascinating person!

360 lawhawk  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:46:32am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. So, Israel and Syria are publicly announcing that they're in talks. No surprises there. No surprise that the Syrians are pushing the claim that Israel has already agreed to give up the Golan.

Oh, and there's preconditions too - Israel wants Syria to give up the ghost on Hamas, Hizbullah, and all the other terrorist groups they support that operate in the region.

Have no doubt that Iran would be none too pleased by all that.

361 Ojoe  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:47:04am

re: #353 maddogg

If Obama can get all the lefties to stop eating, I'll vote for him.

Fat chance.

362 nyc redneck  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:47:06am

re: #357 Ojoe

Do not drink so much coffee, other countries say it is not OK.

can i at least finish this cereal if i promise not to eat again today?

363 WriterMom  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:47:09am

re: #357 Ojoe

Ojoe, you for sure already know what I think of that line of thinking...

364 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:47:17am
365 WriterMom  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:47:38am

re: #362 nyc redneck

Only if you promise just to wipe with one square for the rest of your life.

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

366 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:47:43am
367 jorline  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:47:57am

Good morning, everyone.

368 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:48:03am

re: #325 vxbush Good morning {vxbush} I vote for the insane (unless it's about the Bush "apology")!

369 MandyManners  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:48:14am

re: #354 Kenneth

Good morning. I once had the great displeasure of sitting at a table next to the Bruce Cockburn was sitting at in a restaurant in Toronto. Surrounded by sycophants he held forth on all topics with a whiny self-important faux-sensitive morally superior tone. In fact in everything, he would insist on his moral superiority: which food to order, which wine to drink, which films & plays he had "been impressed with"...on & on & on. The man was a Class A Drip.

I found myself singing, "if i had a rocket launcher..."

LOL!

370 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:48:15am
371 freetoken  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:48:19am

re: #296 Widow'smight

There are also hundreds of wells still capped

They're numbered in the thousands, not hundreds... but, does that mean you can still get any/much oil from them?


, a huge Oil-shale deposit in Colorado/Utah,

Nope. It's.Not.Oil. Put simply, calling it "oil shale" is just plain incorrect. It is simply a sedimentary rock with partially decomposed organic matter; said rock can be burned like a very very poor quality coal. Or, if you add energy to it (through extensive heating) you can convert some of the partially decomposed matter into useful liquids. After many decades of trying no one has yet figured out a way to make a commercial liquid industry out of it (though again, if you are really hard up for coal you could burn the stuff - as is done in a couple of European countries.)



a estimated 400 billion barrel field in Montana/N. Dakota.

Nope - that was all fantasy that got blown out of proportion on the internet. The latest USGS estimate of technically recoverable oil is between 3 and 4 billion barrels, over many years of production (of low production rates.)

Plus, there are many places in the Gulf of Mexico we're not allowed to explore.

Oh, where? You mean Florida? Yes, the Floridians in classic NIMBYism don't want oil rigs off their coasts. However, from Texas to Alabama you can find plenty of rigs, and also in the deep waters of the Gulf too.

We went from 9 million barrels per day production in 1985 to 5 million today, and it wasn't because the wells dried up.

Well, about wells... according to the EIA, in 1985 the month with the most US crude production was May, with 283,093,000 barrels. With 31 days in May that makes the average crude production a bit over. However, I wonder why you think "it wasn't because the wells dried up"? Do not oil wells deplete?

There is also enough Natural Gas in the Gulf to Power every home in the US for 150 years from what I read.

? Are these discovered reserves, or estimates?

What are we saving it for?

Because in theory our children and grandchildren will have need for some... oil is not just used for transport but for all sorts of products.

372 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:48:22am

re: #359 realwest

Good morning {galloping granny} you really ought to write a book - do a little more research and write it - your mom was a fascinating person!

But I really don't know anything about her to write realwest, fascinating though she was. I know more than I've told here, but not much more and not a lot, certainly not enough to turn into a book. And anyone that I might have gotten answers from is dead or flatly not talking.

373 MandyManners  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:48:45am

re: #357 Ojoe

Do not drink so much coffee, other countries say it is not OK.

And let Juan Valdez go idle?!

374 WriterMom  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:48:48am

I also liked the Barenaked Ladies a lot more before I heard them spewing their commie moonbat drooling NDP trash. It's sad when artists are moonbats.

375 Dustoff-507  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:48:56am

Ahhh dang, have to go. )-:

C-ya all.

376 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:48:58am

The tragic condition known as "Cockburn" can be avoided with these.

377 Kulhwch  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:49:03am

re: #93 Jim in Virginia

Hey, you sound like a good dad to me, as far as I'm concerned you can continue to whine all you like.

}:)     [Family is what it's all about ... ]

378 JeremyR  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:49:06am

re: #343 Dustoff-507

OK I'm here, the geering can start.

/ hope I don't get beat for that one. (-:

SMACK

379 MandyManners  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:49:30am

re: #364 buzzsawmonkey

I had a similar experience the one time I saw him perform, at a theatre in Burlington, Vermont. The ventilation system in the theatre could not clear out the suffocating fog of self-congratulation emanating from Cockburn and the audience.

Muscle strain from patting themselves on their backs.

380 WriterMom  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:49:51am

re: #376 Occasional Reader

How did I KNOW you were going to show up now?

381 MandyManners  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:50:59am

re: #366 buzzsawmonkey

Yes indeed he did.

One thing that helped start my exodus from the CPUSA was learning about how the Sandinistas treated the Mosquito (sp?) Indians.

382 WriterMom  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:51:01am

re: #376 Occasional Reader

Do they come in size XXXXXXXXXXXXL?

383 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:51:04am

re: #365 WriterMom

Only if you promise just to wipe with one square for the rest of your life.

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Ask any Marine, they will teach you how to do just that.

384 Ojoe  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:51:08am

re: #363 WriterMom

Obama's food quote is indicative of so much.

Why doesn't he believe that all can, and should, have enough to eat?

That right there goes against the very spirit in which this country was founded.
Anyway, here's the Mt. Wilson Towercam this AM. Some little clouds in the canyons, lower right.

Good morning all.

385 opnion  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:51:31am

re: #298 MandyManners

Rage against the Machine.

Is Tracey Chapman an extreme lefty?


I never liked Bono. After 9/11 he I disliked him more.
IT was a tribute concert to the victims with people like John Bonjovi.
Everybody had something patriotic on , whether or not they were American.
Bono's turn & no pin or anything, He sings some God awful song & preens all over the place.
At the very end, He pulls open his sport coat just the wee littlest bit, to reveal an American flag sewn inside. He stood there with a smirk that to me seemed like, you don't deserve this ,but here.

386 alegrias  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:51:35am

Buenos dias/Mornin' y'all,

Scanned the thread but want to know, have you discussed or noted yesterday's death of Jimmy Carter's brain trust man, Hamilton Jordan?
Jordan was the guy who told Jimmy Carter to campaign in every state, darn him! Some legacy. Poor guy had cancer for twenty years before expiring at 63 yesterday. Did he regret what Carter begat, as worst president ever?

387 WriterMom  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:51:59am

re: #384 Ojoe

Because he's part of the leftist death cult-humans suck-zero population growth-save Gaia movement.

388 freetoken  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:52:13am

re: #338 yesandno

I'm not really against drilling off either of these states... but at the same time I do believe people are wanting to believe something that is false, namely, we can simply 'drill our way out of it', as some have said.

We really, really have painted ourselves into a tight corner.... with our oil requirements. Honestly, I don't see a way out that doesn't incur some discomfort. We're just going to have to suck up and live more frugally.

389 Kenneth  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:52:25am

re: #366 buzzsawmonkey

All together, in your best whiny voice:

Her scent was lemony,
As we fought US hegemony,
She was my anarcho-syndicalist,
Marxist-Leninist Lover,
Yeah, Baby

My favourite parody of a Bruce Cockburn song. Note the characteristic broken meter & weak rhymes.

390 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:52:25am
391 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:52:28am

re: #334 laZardo LOL! Well you could always post some Scorpions or Dylan so we don't miss WLGF too much!
Like this one: [Link: www.imeem.com...]

Although I prefer this version myself: [Link: www.imeem.com...]

392 nyc redneck  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:52:30am

re: #365 WriterMom

Only if you promise just to wipe with one square for the rest of your life.

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

is there a restriction on corncobs or the sears catalog yet?

393 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:52:40am

re: #374 WriterMom

I also liked the Barenaked Ladies

I always found their music quite boring.

So I don't feel so bad about their being pinkos.

394 MandyManners  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:52:49am

re: #376 Occasional Reader

The tragic condition known as "Cockburn" can be avoided with these.

LOL! I was thinking of asbestos-lined Eldridge Cleaver pants.

395 WriterMom  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:53:12am

re: #383 OldLineTexan

What a great conversation starter! See a gorgeous marine, flutter eyelashes and ask how to wipe with one square. Ladies! Remember this...

396 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:53:28am

re: #382 WriterMom

Do they come in size XXXXXXXXXXXXL?

And you just HAPPENED to have that link handy, didja?

397 Carl B  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:53:50am

re: #378 JeremyR
re: #343 Dustoff-507

OK I'm here, the geering can start.

/ hope I don't get beat for that one. (-:

SMACK


OK, I'll bite with a jeer: what do you mean by "geering"? :-)

398 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:53:58am

re: #343 Dustoff-507

Yea! applause, applause YEA! Dustoff's here YEA!

There, make y'all feel better my friend?! LOL!

399 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:54:01am

re: #374 WriterMom

I also liked the Barenaked Ladies a lot more before I heard them spewing their commie moonbat drooling NDP trash. It's sad when artists are moonbats.

No offense to you or Canadians in general, but one look at those guys and the fact that they are Canadian adds up to "moonbat" pretty quick.

I still like the white-boy rap song with the "Chinese chicken" line, and "It's All Been Done". Fun group.

400 MandyManners  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:54:06am

re: #385 opnion

I never liked Bono. After 9/11 he I disliked him more.
IT was a tribute concert to the victims with people like John Bonjovi.
Everybody had something patriotic on , whether or not they were American.
Bono's turn & no pin or anything, He sings some God awful song & preens all over the place.
At the very end, He pulls open his sport coat just the wee littlest bit, to reveal an American flag sewn inside. He stood there with a smirk that to me seemed like, you don't deserve this ,but here.

Funny how many lefty artists rake in those Capitalist dollars.

401 redstateredneck  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:54:31am

re: #374 WriterMom

I also liked the Barenaked Ladies a lot more before I heard them spewing their commie moonbat drooling NDP trash. It's sad when artists are moonbats.


If they were from the south their name would be Butt-Nekkid Wimmin.

402 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:54:40am

re: #378 JeremyR

SMACK

I'm sorry, that's pronounced "SMA"...the ck is silent!

403 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:54:46am

re: #389 Kenneth

All together, in your best whiny voice:


My favourite parody of a Bruce Cockburn song. Note the characteristic broken meter & weak rhymes.

And yet without even knowing his music, I bet Cockburn is both a poet, a great musician, and a rock-ribbed conservative, next to Billy Bragg.

404 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:54:50am

re: #364 buzzsawmonkey

I
had a similar experience the one time I saw him perform, at a theatre
in Burlington, Vermont. The ventilation system in the theatre could not
clear out the suffocating fog of self-congratulation emanating from
Cockburn and the audience.

Smug alert! Smug alert!

405 WriterMom  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:54:57am

re: #396 Occasional Reader

Truth be told, I saw it yesterday in Reuters 'oddly enough', but didn't have the perfect opportunity to post it till now. BLESS YOU BLESS YOU.

406 MandyManners  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:55:17am

re: #386 alegrias

Buenos dias/Mornin' y'all,

Scanned the thread but want to know, have you discussed or noted yesterday's death of Jimmy Carter's brain trust man, Hamilton Jordan?
Jordan was the guy who told Jimmy Carter to campaign in every state, darn him! Some legacy. Poor guy had cancer for twenty years before expiring at 63 yesterday. Did he regret what Carter begat, as worst president ever?

I saw that yesterday and the name took me back in memory to some rather gloomy days.

407 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:55:17am

re: #390 buzzsawmonkey

But can they make an origami peace crane afterwards?

If they are eating MREs, no, but they can make an adobe hut.

408 laZardo  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:55:22am

re: #391 realwest

And on a random musical note...

laZee + babbaZee = ZeeZee Top?

/where's my rotating guitar belt?

409 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:55:53am

re: #397 Carl B

re: #343 Dustoff-507

OK I'm here, the geering can start.

/ hope I don't get beat for that one. (-:


OK, I'll bite with a jeer: what do you mean by "geering"? :-)

That's where you get an actor, a gerbil, and a paper towel tube, and you...

410 WriterMom  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:55:58am

re: #400 MandyManners

Lefty artist LUUUUVVVSS $$$$$.

411 alegrias  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:56:20am

re: #361 Ojoe

Fat chance.

* * *
Eating less for most of us would be a good thing, and an example to our younger people, who grow flabby & look to others to help them lose weight & keep their fitness. How many of our countries' kids can't even waddle outside to play without electronics? We have early onset obesity/diabetes problems that will bankrupt families & fed alike!

So eating less is a discipline thing as individuals we would be smart to try. Charles Johnson is a foremost example of fitness & fabulousness, thanks to portion control no doubt (not that I know our lizard leader).

412 Ojoe  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:56:25am

re: #401 redstateredneck

There was a CW band called "Buck Naked and the Bare-Ass boys", here once.

My favourite CW band name: Kerosene Kondors

Just local I think (No. Cal)

413 formercorpsman  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:56:27am

re: #360 lawhawk


This is a delay tactic for Iran.

414 ibmkeyboard  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:56:29am

re: #361 Ojoe

If Obama can get all the lefties to stop eating, I'll vote for him.


Fat chance.

If he can scellulite, I will vote for him.

415 WriterMom  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:56:31am

re: #401 redstateredneck

Heh. You said nekkid.

416 JeremyR  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:56:38am

re: #386 alegrias

Buenos dias/Mornin' y'all,

Scanned the thread but want to know, have you discussed or noted yesterday's death of Jimmy Carter's brain trust man, Hamilton Jordan?
Jordan was the guy who told Jimmy Carter to campaign in every state, darn him! Some legacy. Poor guy had cancer for twenty years before expiring at 63 yesterday. Did he regret what Carter begat, as worst president ever?

Hard to believe he was only 63. Another subject where I need to keep quiet. He and Floater get a pass so I don't get banned for language befitting a Daily KOS writer.

417 incanus  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:56:48am

re: #93 Jim in Virginia

A personal note. I'm bummed. My two seventh grade daughters head off today on the annual school camping trip to West Virginia. Normally I'd go- it's a great trip. Instead I am heading to Nebraska for a funeral. My mom's last surviving sibling died at 92. Mom is 85, (she is in amazingly good health, just got a new cornea.) She will be there along with a dozen cousins, so she will have lots of moral support.I And it will be great for the extended family to get together. There is a lot to be thankful for. My uncle had dementia but was otherwise very content and in good health until a couple week sbefore he died. He had been in a nursing home the last two years. We will probably sell the farm now (he was the last one living there). It has been in the family for over a century. For me, it's grandma's house. It's the house my mom grew up in. Lots of good memories (we've forgotten the bad ones), but as much as we will miss the place, no one wants to live there. What we miss is all the people who used to fill the house.
It will be a bittersweet trip.
I missed my daughters' school trip last year for another out of town funeral. Being a grown up sucks some times.
OK, I'll stop whining. Thanks.

Hang in there. I know from recent experience that people here WILL BE thinking of you and that it WILL help.

418 WriterMom  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:57:13am

re: #399 OldLineTexan

Ya. Just fun music. With some funny stuff.

419 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:57:20am

re: #374 WriterMom

I also liked the Barenaked Ladies a lot more before I heard them
spewing their commie moonbat drooling NDP trash. It's sad when artists
are moonbats.

Barenaked Ladies? There's a case of flagrant false advertising if I ever saw one!

420 Ojoe  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:57:28am

re: #411 alegrias

Due to bicycle riding also.

421 ibmkeyboard  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:57:29am

re: #382 WriterMom

Do they come in size XXXXXXXXXXXXL?

Bwhahah

I got an itch down there!

422 freetoken  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:57:45am

Well, I've got to run... but I'll repost a link I put out last night. For all of you who are interested in the USGS estimates of oil (and other hydrocarbons), here is their official webpage:

National Oil and Gas Assessment

423 incanus  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:57:49am

re: #96 Jim in Virginia

If there were a cost effective way to make biofuel from kudzu, we could tell OPEC to kiss our grits.

Recently I heard that biomass ethanol is making progress and will be viable within a few years. Here's hoping ...

424 JeremyR  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:57:50am

re: #397 Carl B

I hit the wrong side of the H key when I edited it. PIMF.

425 Kenneth  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:57:52am

re: #405 WriterMom

Big Phallological Museum is Ripping Us Off!

426 realwest  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:58:33am

re: #372 galloping granny Crap, that's a real shame - sounds like she was either old OSS or brand spanking new CIA but could have been any one of a bunch of other Intel agencies too. Would love to hear more about her though! (HINT!)!

427 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:58:37am
428 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:58:39am

re: #395 WriterMom

What a great conversation starter! See a gorgeous marine, flutter eyelashes and ask how to wipe with one square. Ladies! Remember this...

I know a few Devil Dogs...be careful if you're joking, because that ploy would work.

429 redstateredneck  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:58:41am

re: #412 Ojoe

There was a CW band called "Buck Naked and the Bare-Ass boys", here once.

My favourite CW band name: Kerosene Kondors

Just local I think (No. Cal)

These guys?

A San Francisco, California based band, (originally from Omaha, Nebraska) whose music, in a rockabilly vein, was dubbed pornobilly thanks to their lyrics and song titles. Buck Naked (whose real name was Phillip Bury) himself used to turn up on stage wearing only cowboy boots, a cowboy hat, a guitar, and a strategically placed toilet plunger. Filling out the band were Buck's brother, Stephen Bury (taking the stage name "Hector Naked") and David Wees (known on stage as "Stinky LePew"). Despite its name, the rest of the band were always fully clothed on stage
430 MandyManners  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:59:08am

re: #410 WriterMom

Lefty artist LUUUUVVVSS $$$$$.

I wonder if they get all the free stuff that Hollywood stars get from designers' marketing people.

431 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:59:09am
432 JeremyR  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:59:16am

re: #409 OldLineTexan

That's where you get an actor, a gerbil, and a paper towel tube, and you...

I learned something new already. And you know this HOW?

Ducks runs...

433 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:59:59am
434 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 7:00:06am
435 Kenneth  Wed, May 21, 2008 7:00:35am

re: #410 WriterMom

It's the morality version of Carbon Offsets. Make tubs of money singing tunes, partying and taking drugs. Balance that with a preachy moral superiority, telling other people how toi think & live.

And wear pink sunglasses.

436 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 7:00:36am
437 redstateredneck  Wed, May 21, 2008 7:00:55am

re: #423 incanus

Recently I heard that biomass ethanol is making progress and will be viable within a few years. Here's hoping ...

My BIL is working on a biofuel from switchgrass project at the University of Tennessee.

438 nyc redneck  Wed, May 21, 2008 7:01:07am

re: #385 opnion

I never liked Bono. After 9/11 he I disliked him more.
IT was a tribute concert to the victims with people like John Bonjovi.
Everybody had something patriotic on , whether or not they were American.
Bono's turn & no pin or anything, He sings some God awful song & preens all over the place.
At the very end, He pulls open his sport coat just the wee littlest bit, to reveal an American flag sewn inside. He stood there with a smirk that to me seemed like, you don't deserve this ,but here.

i remember when he was asking for a mere 8 billion dollars so he could solve all of africa's problems. just like that.

439 WriterMom  Wed, May 21, 2008 7:01:08am

re: #433 buzzsawmonkey

GOOODLAWD

440 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 21, 2008 7:01:09am

re: #432 JeremyR

I learned something new already. And you know this HOW?

Ducks runs...

Montrose is just down the road.

Houston is a port city.

My wife likes the E! channel on cable.

I have a