But they support the troops!

Moonbats have the right to rant, yet

it is a PRIVILEDGE to serve and wear the uniform.

Keep your heads up guys, lots of us appreciate you.

The proper response to a close ambush is to immeadiately counter assault with maximum force and fire power.

Were they wearing GOT HOPE? t-shirts?

Why not travel in uniform - in groups of three or more? I'd love to see how brave this filth is when the odds are agin' em.

Do Moonbats have a death-wish?

/just wondering...

It's truly a sad day when our fine troops face such disrespect and slander from the very citizens they protect. Especially in the capital of this great nation.

I'd say "shame on the left", but they're obviously devoid of any semblance of shame.

Here are a few friendly reminders of personal protective measures that can help you to stay safe:
- If possible, do not commute in uniform (military members)

- Be prepared to use every skill the military has taught you to defend yourself.

- Do not take any crap from Punks who mouth off to you, your country of your branch of service.

- After the punks are taken down, call an ambulance to clean up the mess.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

If possible, do not commute in uniform

That's just sad.

re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The proper response to a close ambush is to immeadiately counter assault with maximum force and fire power.

Fix Bayonets! A solution to many problems.

...Should you be approached by any individuals expressing anti-government/anti-war sentiments, or anyone else wearing a MSNBC basball hat....

10 moonbats vs one United States Marine - I like the Marine's odds. Marines are trained for combat. Moonbats are trained to complain.

I hate moonbats.

I haven't heard this about this and I ride metro. I hope someone has alerted WMATA.

Why not wear a yellow star?

There should be a law...

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

That or military personnel should be given free reign to defend themselves against domestic enemies (read: moonbats).

re: #16 addison

Why not wear a yellow star?

To be honest, I am sometimes concerned about wearing a star of David in public here.

As a foreigner, every time I see a US military personnel during my trips to the US, I go by and thank him/her for their service, regardless of their ranks, their race, their creed and looks. The world, the free world I might say, owes an incredible debt to the USA.

Thank you US military for securing the world. For making the world a better place. Thanks!

We all know what should really be done.

No one had better insult a man or woman in any uniform in my presence.
I promise that will transform me in to Mr. Grumpy Pants.

Lord, I really hate moonbats.

I used to ride the Metro all the time when I lived in DC (traveling to the Crystal City stop). I always say men and women in uniform, and I always wished them a good day.
I guess i was in the minority.

Can you believe they are telling members of the most lethal fighting
force in the history of the world that they must be careful on the streets of their own country?

I am telling you, the leftists are going to get a serious wake-up someday.

- If possible, do not commute in uniform (military members)

In Washington D.C. ?!?

WTF is happening to this country?

So, members of the US Armed Service, whose job is to protect and serve the people of this grateful nation (well at least those who realize what a tough job they do and honor and respect their service), now have to watch their back in DC because a bunch of anti-American [deleted] have taken to verbally assaulting them.

Nice. Stay classy leftists.

Meanwhile, this is a glimmer of insight into who we're fighting and what we're fighting for in Iraq.

Should you be approached by any individuals expressing anti-government/anti-war sentiments, or any other types of direct verbal assault, immediately notify your local police jurisdiction.

What do you do if you're surrounded by them as far as the eye can see in every direction?

Repost, sorry wife was yelling at me..

Here are a few friendly reminders of personal protective measures that can help you to stay safe:

- If possible, always commute in uniform and be proud of it.

- Be prepared to use every skill the military has taught you to defend yourself.

- Do not take any crap from Punks who mouth off to you, your country or your branch of service.

- After the punks are taken down, call an ambulance to clean up the mess.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

If these events had happened to Muslims, CAIR and the ACLU would be all over it. Seems like today the people who are trying to destroy our country have more rights than those who are staking their lives in defending it.

"....Uniformed members have been approached by individuals expressing themselves as anti-government, shouting anti-war sentiments, and using racial slurs against minorities."

Since they're in DC, I'm sure DouDou will be investigating this blatant demonstration of racism against our troops!

/in related story, temperature in Gehenna approaching 32 degrees F

As a former member of the armed forces, I find this very insulting and to be told that we have to back down and retreat from this kind of thing in our country that we are fighting and dying to protect is just wrong. People should respect our soldiers enough to leave them alone and take up grievances with the politicians, not the men and women in uniform. I would pity them if they tried this in say - China or Iran, or heck almost any country but ours.

re: #28 zombie

What do you do if you're surrounded by them as far as the eye can see in every direction?

You start drooling and holler HOPE! Change! We can do it!

Nuts. I never thought I'd see the day, least of all here with all the military bases in and near Northern Virginia, where members of our military would be encouraged to travel out of uniform.

But do not question their patriotism!

re: #28 zombie

What do you do if you're surrounded by them as far as the eye can see in every direction?

Marines don't know how to do retreat. They simply attack in a different direction.

Now can we question their patriotism?

re: #38 Alouette

Now can we question their patriotism?

Hey, I said not to do that....

One time I walked up to a lone young sailor in the airport. He was maybe all of 20, wearing his cracker jacks, very dark skinned, tall and lanky. When I walked-up to him, he had this befuddled look on his face like "why is this old white woman walking up to me?"

I thanked him for serving. The expresson on his face was first more befuddlement, then relief than sincere happiness.

I never miss an opportunity to personally thank a soldier. I hope it helps them get thru the times when the moonbats rant.

- If possible, do not commute in uniform (military members)

Excuse me your supposed to be proud to wear your uniform. You have earned that right unlike the the scum that are taunting you who have done nothing.

Metro's Yellow line (and Blue line) goes TO the Pentagon.

How are our uniformed military supposed to go to work on public transit without their uniforms?

I volunteer to be a Military Metro Angel.

re: #28 zombie

What do you do if you're surrounded by them as far as the eye can see in every direction?

"So they’ve got us surrounded, good! Now we can fire in any direction, those bastards won’t get away this time!” - Chesty Puller

How Very Sad.

They just never grow up, or if they do, they pass their beliefs to their children/grandchildren.
Same, same as in the Vietnam War era - had several friends who remained in the Active Reserve so they could earn a little extra cash and would travel to their once a month meetings in uniform and would be verbally assaulted and spit on. Of course, this was in New York City, circa 1973.

Must be why we had such a reputation for being violent people when we came back to the U.S.

Absolutely despicable. Our servicemen shouldn't have to put up with this shit.

Congressman Pete Stark Rants - Criticizing Our Military

re: #7 rabidsquirrel

It's truly a sad day when our fine troops face such disrespect and slander from the very citizens they protect. Especially in the capital of this great nation.

It was here, at the Port of Oakland, where soldiers returning from Vietnam were spat upon by anti-war activists. The incident received so much publicity that it became a sort of modern urban legend -- that Vietnam vets were spat upon as they returned to the US, all over the country -- but as far as I know it actually only happened here.

The East Bay is ground zero for anti-American/pro-Communist sentiment.

re: #28 zombie

What do you do if you're surrounded by them as far as the eye can see in every direction?

Recognize you are in the middle of a protest and start taking pictures of the nutjobs?

re: #42 taxfreekiller

So, just thinking out loud,

If I have some free time, just may take a trip to D.C. and go around
in some uniform, and surprise the hell out of some loon.....!

Uh, TFK, surprise one for me while your there, willya?

It's a sad day when a person cannot even wear a military uniform...

re: #41 bulwrk

- If possible, do not commute in uniform (military members)

Excuse me your supposed to be proud to wear your uniform. You have earned that right unlike the the scum that are taunting you who have done nothing.

No doubt written by some HR wonk with no clue.

At the other site, they are saying this may be a hoax. DOT can't tell DOD employees not to wear their uniforms. The military near my office are required to be in uniform. Has anyone sent this memo to Snopes? They will usually investigate.

re: #53 Who Watches the Watchmen?

no doubt

re: #29 Maximu%uFFFD

- If possible, always commute in uniform and be proud of it.

- Be prepared to use every skill the military has taught you to defend yourself.

- Do not take any crap from Punks who mouth off to you, your country or your branch of service.

Watch this video to see your recommendations in action (especially "Do not take any crap from Punks who mouth off to you").

re: #28 zombie

What do you do if you're surrounded by them as far as the eye can see in every direction?

Leave the Obama rally you're attending?

Christians, Jews and military personnel are all fair game for attacks in this brave new socialist country we live in.

/Thank you Lord Obama...can I have another one...please?

The napping chair is calling me and I always listen to the napping chair.

Have a great afternoon, Lizards!

Wow , When we were stationed on Crete Greece in the 70's, active duty were not allowed to wear their uniforms when traveling off base. Never in my wildest dreams did I ever imagine that it would happen in our own country. What a sad day

re: #53 Who Watches the Watchmen?

No doubt written by some HR wonk with no clue.

It actually reads the same as the warnings embassy staff get when traveling over seas. We got similiar briefs when I was stationed in Japan.

re: #40 ggt Hey there
{ggt} wish I could have given you 10 updings for that one.
Good on you.

I'm sorry folks, this is one of the most despicable things I have ever heard.
I am sick to my stomach over this. When are we going to end this shit.

re: #28 zombie

What do you do if you're surrounded by them as far as the eye can see in every direction?

Take pictures?

re: #43 alegrias

Metro's Yellow line (and Blue line) goes TO the Pentagon.

How are our uniformed military supposed to go to work on public transit without their uniforms?

I volunteer to be a Military Metro Angel.

yep. Even our higher ups are starting to cut and run from these vermin! Aquiesence solves nothing. I quoted Dean Acheson earlier in another thread:

“No people in history have ever survived who thought they could protect their freedom by making themselves inoffensive to their enemies”

If that holds true and we don't straighten up our act, all will be lost...

re: #13 obscured by clouds

10 moonbats vs one United States Marine - I like the Marine's odds. Marines are trained for combat. Moonbats are trained to complain.

You never hear a Marine complain. My cousin-in-law was in Iraq in the dead of summer and all he would say when I asked him about it was "it's a little warm"

"If possible, do not commute in uniform (military members)."

Way to stand up to unhinged lunatics. Rather than bring in extra cops with orders to make "liberal" use of their nightsticks, let's have the military members skulk about in their civies.

You are admiting that your city is powerless to protect the noblest amongst us from it's citizens.

re: #49 zombie Uh, zombie - it happened in NYC too - please see my #46.

They do it because it is easy to be "brave" against someone who you know won't hurt you for your words and will otherwise protect your life at their own expense...

Personally IMO they should augment the SOP sent out with:

Note: If all else fails wipe the metro trains windows clean with the face(s) of the attacker and mention to the arresting officer that it must have been a case of sudden PTSD brought on by the "fighting words" of the assailant. Under these circumstances all PTSD claimants will be sent to the beach for 7 days to rest and recover on TDY with full per diem.

Disgusting.

re: #56 zombie

Watch this video to see your recommendations in action (especially "Do not take any crap from Punks who mouth off to you").

The high schooler needs a quick smack upside the head.

In one instance, a member was followed onto the platform by an individual who continued to berate her as she exited the metro station. Thus far, these incidents have occurred in the vicinity of the Reagan National Airport and Eisenhower Ave metro stations on the yellow line, however, military members should be vigilant and aware of their surroundings at all times while in mass transit.

I can say, unequivocally, (please forgive me if this offends) if I were to witness this, I would have been involved.

He would have had to come between me and her.

I don't call for fighting in the streets, but I'll be damned if I would sit back and let this happen.

If we have gotten to a point, where freedom of speech includes harassment of our service members, it has gone too far.

re: #1 Rogue198

Flashback to the days of troops returning from Viet Nam when our military people were advised not to travel in uniform etc.

How very sad.

John Catoe is the head of WMATA, Metro in DC.

Democrat Rep. Jim Moran is the moonbat representative for leftist, jihadist Arlington, Virginia which surrounds the Pentagon.

Democrat Senator Jim Webb is likewise our moonbat Virginia Senator.

Senator John Warner of Virginia is on defense committees.

Please contact them and protest this abuse of our troops.

re: #66 loppyd

10 moonbats vs one United States Marine.

I smell hippy roadkill. Like when an eighteen wheeler hits a deer going 80 mph on 495.

Here are a few friendly reminders of personal protective measures that can help you to stay safe:

Carry a gun. Remember: two rounds center mass, one round to the head.

This calls for a Guardian Angels type civilian escort group for military members. All willing to face assault and battery charges.

I'd bring a good book and ride the Metro for an 8 hour shift for a chance at enlightening some of our more disrespectful citizens.

But that's all just one angry man's dream.

re: #19 taxfreekiller

tfk, that's the 08' Supplemental Funding bill which should have been funded in Sept 08' and I'd almost guarantee a veto.

There will be howling about Bush not supporting the troops when Pelosi and Co. have been purposely holding-up funding to stop the Iraq War through funds attrition. After June, one of the first casualties will be the Armies ability to meet payroll...it gets worse from there.

re: #72 formercorpsman

The silence of the other riders is both deafening and scary. what if he was some psycho? While most Soldiers, and many in the Military, have a decent degree of fight in them, personal ability is not a magic shield that will keep her (or him etc) from harm versus a psychotic individual.

I just noticed:

...a member was followed onto the platform by an individual who continued to berate her as she exited the metro station...

I would have beaten that human filth senseless had I seen that.

re: #76 Iron Fist

Like that comment is gonna stay....

- If possible, do not commute in uniform (military members)

- Do not display DoD building passes, “hot cards”, or personal identification in open view outside of the workplace

- Do not discuss specifics about your occupation to outside solicitors

- Always try to remain in well lit, well populated train cars if traveling via metro

- If you must snap their neck like a twig, please discard in a designated container located at the exits

/sarcasm

This would stop if they were allowed to carry their weapons like they are in Israel.

re: #35 Bill Jefferson

Unfortunately, northern Virginia is not what it once was -- all the liberals from MD moved in and it just went downhill.

This another example of the crossing of the line from legitimate dissent to assault and sedition.

Ugh... I occasionally see uniformed personnel riding the T in Boston, but haven't witnessed anything like this. Believe me I'd get involved if I did, that is SO tasteless and disrespectful.

re: #83 Sabra412

This would stop if they were allowed to carry their weapons like they are in Israel.

For some reason openly carrying loaded fire arms does seem to promote a certain civility when dealing with people.

re: #84 joncelli

Sounds like VT,Maine, and NH.

It is very sad indeed when our military personnel have to be careful about wearing their uniforms in public.

That story makes me mad but I'm not surprised. Given the swill these leftist moonbats spew demonizing our men and women in uniform, it's hardly surprising these piss ants, who aren't even fit the lick their shoes, would act that way towards them.

I'm gonna make a point to thank every man or woman I see wearing the uniform from now on. I'm just a little mad at myself it took this story convince me to do what I should have been doing all along.

re: #76 Iron Fist

Carry a gun. Remember: two rounds center mass, one round to the head.

They might charge if only wounded.

This is Viet Nam all over again.
Along the same lines , Kieth Olbermann is now saying that his referrintg to the troops as "cold blooded killers" was the editors fault.
It gets goofier, he is also claiming that Laura Ingraham & Levin , because of calling him on it are actually the ones who hate the troops

I'ts pretty sad when the brave and honorable men and women of the US armed forces have to hide who they are because of a bunch of pathetic loud mouth dirtbags.

I'd say more, but I'll save that for my myspace page and take the heat myself for my rather ..umm...radical opinions on the left rather than make LGF the target.

Stand strong soldiers, the loudmouths are the minority in this case.

re: #78 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

The games the dems are playing with the Military during wartime are political suicide for them. Let them keep it up and they'll be out in November. Meanwhile the Troops will get paid and the War will continue and the dems will seethe and show more and more how many of them don't deserve to be sharingstealing oxygen withfrom the rest of the planet.

Note: pre "fixed" for ya...

re: #67 Endangered in MASS Well you know this IS Washington D.C. where Mayor Barry got re-elected after being captured on video-tape smoking crack. I don't think the powers that be in the municipal government there really give a rat's ass about our troops being verbally assaulted.

What a difference, come into my restaurant in uniform I buy their meal and thank them.

re: #56 zombie

Watch this video to see your recommendations in action (especially "Do not take any crap from Punks who mouth off to you").

if it had came to blows (I just love a good brawl!) who do you think woulda been the victor?

/heheh.

re: #92 opnion

Not even close. The MSM and dems want it to be so badly the can taste it, but it's nowhere near that in scope or scale as far as abuse of troops on the homefront or the misguided/seditious "peace" movement goes.

Wouldn't it have been delicious if the DOT memo had actually called them moonbats?

Honestly, how pathetic do you have to be to resort to these kind of tactics? Speaks volumes about the American left: disrespectful, classless, and downright hateful.

re: #88 Endangered in MASS

In the late '70s and early '80s, when I went to high school in Fairfax county, the area was just starting to suburbanize but was still relatively conservative and rural -- hunt country, lots of horses and retired CIA guys. I left the area around 1991 and when I came back to visit was sad to see that it had radically grown and grown radical. I can only stand being there for so long anymore.

we now have a list of 'measures' for our military to follow in public for their own safety.
to keep them being attacked by radicals and crazy people in our own country. that is profoundly disheartening.
i bet the troops feel safer on the battle field. at least they know what to expect.

re: #95 realwest

"....after being captured on video-tape smoking crack."

He was set up like a mofo.

re: #95 realwest

I think you're right on the mark. They'll argue that it's 1st Amendment protected speech, forgetting once again, that those protections are not absolute. Just as one is not allowed to yell 'Fire' in a crowded theater when there is no fire - and has to accept the consequences for such poor judgment, a moonbat getting into the face of a uniformed service member and assaulting them should also expect to accept the consequences for that poor judgment. If not from the service member (who will follow orders), from others who witness the assault.

re: #92 opnion

This is Viet Nam all over again.
Along the same lines , Kieth Olbermann is now saying that his referrintg to the troops as "cold blooded killers" was the editors fault.
It gets goofier, he is also claiming that Laura Ingraham & Levin , because of calling him on it are actually the ones who hate the troops

Olbermann and his ilk is where these moonbats without audiences, seeking an audience, learn, then carry out their unspoken directives.

re: #17 JammieWearingFool

There should be a law...

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

That or military personnel should be given free reign to defend themselves against domestic enemies (read: moonbats).

Code Pink is being legislated away today I believe?

It's not Vietnam, but if we try hard enough we can make it feel like Vietnam.

What happened to a good ol'fashioned beating. The little bastards are probably just praying for one of them to hit them so they can be a new Martyr of the left.

re: #79 anotherindyfilmguy

I agree about the other riders,

However, I have actually had a gun pulled on me before. (Bouncer) kept a cool head, etc.

There has to be a point, and I think when we have what you alluded to earlier, that when a girl is getting raped on a train platform, and the average Joe avoids getting involved, we have a major problem.

When someone in uniform, is a target in the very country they defend, we have a major problem.

Sitting back and doing nothing in the face of this, is what liberals do. They pick soft targets. Opportunistic.

Not only could this be my daughter, cousin, etc. It could be my neighbor's daughter, cousin, etc.

Heated political discourse is one thing.

Sitting back, and not defending yourself, or others in the face of aggression?

No way.

OT

Just when you thought the Democratically controlled congress couldn't get anymore out of touch with reality with idiotic comments like "We can't drill out way out of this crisis." , they go and do something even more ignorant like this.....which, by the way, has enough votes to overide a Bush veto.

House passes bill to sue OPEC over oil prices

That ought to bring down the price of gas. GJ Morons!

re: #81 maddogg

That is actual gun training information that is required in some states for a permit.

re: #83 Sabra412

shit they don't need weapons to deal with cowards if the DOD just came out with a letter telling military personal that aggressive use of physical force was approved in these situations the punks would think twice.

TO: Charles Johnson, et al.
RE: Ya Gotta 'Love' Em....

....those oh-so tolerant-of-other-people 'Liberals'.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Liberal, n., A misnomer, indicating intolerance of other peoples opinions. ]

re: #100 joncelli

In the late '70s and early '80s, when I went to high school in Fairfax county, the area was just starting to suburbanize but was still relatively conservative and rural -- hunt country, lots of horses and retired CIA guys. I left the area around 1991 and when I came back to visit was sad to see that it had radically grown and grown radical. I can only stand being there for so long anymore.

* * *
No kidding! Karl Rove's old school, George Mason University which he attended early on, actually hosted Michael Moore and his 9/11 moonbat theories, and held rallies for John Kerry.

Too bad so many leftists work in government funded jobs, non-profits & "think tanks"--they've left their red, 1968-is-great mark.

And I do so hope they repeat Chicago 1968 at Denver in 2008!

Just read this on Michelle Malkin's site too..
This is disgusting.
Can we just dropkick these moonbats in front of the metro train?

Just saying.

re: #75 Endangered in MASS

I smell hippy roadkill. Like when an eighteen wheeler hits a deer going 80 mph on 495.

How in the hell does a deer go 80 MPH on the freeway?
;->

re: #102 Endangered in MASS Oh, yeah. I saw the videotape and saw them FORCE him to put the pipe in his mouth and take a DEEP drag.
Please.

re: #75 Endangered in MASS

10 moonbats vs one United States Marine.

I smell hippy roadkill. Like when an eighteen wheeler hits a deer going 80 mph on 495.

Ironically those moonbats have the right to publicly demean our troops because of.....our troops.

I'd like to see how this would be dealt with by their hero, Castro, in Cuba.

TO: alegrias
RE: Denver 2008

"And I do so hope they repeat Chicago 1968 at Denver in 2008!" -- alegrias

Glad I moved out of that town.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Political panjandrums prologize pedantic paronomasia.]

Obama's promise to gut the military and Michelle's disdain for America only encourages these liberals.

re: #109 formercorpsman

That is actual gun training information that is required in some states for a permit.

Why would they advise a head shot in a critical situation? Most gun fights (urban) happen within 15 feet. Most people will be lucky to get a shot into the thorax while in a fight for life situation. The training I have seen advise as many shots into the thorax as you can get in the least amount of time.

re: #95 realwest

Well you know this IS Washington D.C. where Mayor Barry got re-elected after being captured on video-tape smoking crack. I don't think the powers that be in the municipal government there really give a rat's ass about our troops being verbally assaulted.

* * *
If libs win, as DC went, so goes the nation...remember when most of the country thought that was voting against self-interest?

P.S. I can see the headlines now....

Demonstrating Draft-Dodger Democrats Destroy Downtown Denver During Disturbance

re: #103 Athos Um, if they want to yell at troops - and just yell, not physically threaten or crowd them, they'd be within their legal rights.
However, the law (at least in NY) deems that someone who spits on someone else has committed an assault (actually a "battery") which used to be a Class D felony.
Don't know about the laws anyplace else, and don't even know if that's still the law in New York.

re: #114 Izzy Dunne

How in the hell does a deer go 80 MPH on the freeway?
;->

uhh...lotsa Red "Bull"?

/dooohh!

Meanwhile @ Coast Guard Academy ceremonies today;

Gathering of Eagles vs. Troop Slanderers

Approximately 100 protesters marched from New London to the Coast Guard Academy where Vice President Cheney is addressing Coast Guard Academy cadets at their commencement.

Protesters are lined up across the street from the Coast Guard. The patriotic group called the Gathering of Eagles arrived to counter protest and to welcome the families of the Cadets.

“We’re here to put a stop to this madness,” said Paul Schaffer of Norwich. “I have nothing against the Coast Guard. I’m a Navy veteran. We’re protesting the Vice President.”

Carolyn Van Zorge of New Jersey, a member of the Gathering of Eagles, compared the protesters march to those of the 1960’s. “We believe what they are doing is hurting our troops,” she said.

Jim Bancroft of Bristol is a Marine Corps veteran and a member of the Gathering of the Eagles. “We came to show respect for the families of the cadets and show that there are people that support them. You can disagree with the president all you want but to exercise your right of free speech by disrupting what is supposed to be a celebration is wrong and in a time of war it is giving aid and comfort to the enemy.”

Of course, the moonbats lie when they say they support the troops. More at the Courant;

Their message was countered by the more than 100 anti-war protesters, who gathered in the center of this waterfront city and marched silently to the sounds of a slow drum beat to the academy gates. They carried placards that said, "War is Death" and "Dick Cheney: War Criminal."

Jason Ortiz, a 24-year-old University of Connecticut student, arrived early dressed as the grim reaper.

"I'm against people getting slaughtered so other people can make this money off of it," Ortiz said.

That's right... the Coasties are making money off slaughtering who?

re: #108 Tricky Dick

OT

Just when you thought the Democratically controlled congress couldn't get anymore out of touch with reality with idiotic comments like "We can't drill out way out of this crisis." , they go and do something even more ignorant like this.....which, by the way, has enough votes to overide a Bush veto.

House passes bill to sue OPEC over oil prices

That ought to bring down the price of gas. GJ Morons!

They aren't actually suing. The bill would give the US government the right to sue. Still moronic and reckless all the same!

re: #119 maddogg

Why would they advise a head shot in a critical situation? Most gun fights (urban) happen within 15 feet. Most people will be lucky to get a shot into the thorax while in a fight for life situation. The training I have seen advise as many shots into the thorax as you can get in the least amount of time.

Absolutely, not only is head shot a more difficult shot, it generally is interpreted as the shooter intended to kill and solely stop.

H.R. 6074

Gas Price Relief for Consumers Act of 2008 - No Oil Producing and Exporting Cartels Act of 2008 or NOPEC - Amends the Sherman Act to make it illegal for any foreign state or instrumentality thereof to act collectively or in combination with any other foreign state or any other person, when such action has a direct, substantial, and reasonably foreseeable effect on the market, supply, price, or distribution of petroleum in the United States, to: (1) limit the production or distribution of oil, natural gas, or any other petroleum product (petroleum); (2) set or maintain the price of petroleum; or (3) otherwise take any action in restraint of trade for petroleum.

Denies a foreign state engaged in such conduct sovereign immunity from the jurisdiction or judgements of U.S. courts in any action brought to enforce this Act.

States that no U.S. court shall decline, based on the act of state doctrine, to make a determination on the merits in an action brought under this Act.

Authorizes the Attorney General to bring an action in U.S. district court to enforce this Act.

Makes an exception to the jurisdictional immunity of a foreign state in an action brought under this Act.

Directs the Attorney General to establish in the Department of Justice (DOJ) a Petroleum Industry Antitrust Task Force to, among other things, develop, coordinate, and facilitate the implementation of DOJ investigative and enforcement policies related to petroleum industry antitrust issues under federal law.

Directs the Comptroller General to conduct a study evaluating the effects of mergers addressed in covered petroleum merger consent decrees on competition in the markets involved, including the effectiveness of divestitures required in such decrees in preserving competition in those markets.

PIMF

Absolutely, not only is the head shot a more difficult shot, it generally is interpreted as the shooter intended to kill and not solely stop.

PIMF

re: #116 loppyd

So they think. I mean it's OK to harrass and demean service members on public transportation.. but let's not think about damaging the self esteem of the children by marking schoolwork with red pen or keep score in sports....

don't even think about letting those tykes play the warmongering dodgeball or it's a Code Pink Breasts of War march for you.

re: #108 Tricky Dick

OT

Just when you thought the Democratically controlled congress couldn't get anymore out of touch with reality with idiotic comments like "We can't drill out way out of this crisis." , they go and do something even more ignorant like this.....which, by the way, has enough votes to overide a Bush veto.

House passes bill to sue OPEC over oil prices

That ought to bring down the price of gas. GJ Morons!

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Armies of Lawyers, that'll show 'em.

Leftist lawyers for oil!

That's one outfit trial lawyer John Edwards would join fast, for the payoff.

re: #108 Tricky Dick

per response on other thread about the same article:
If, if it makes it into law it will be thrown out by our own courts. While the actions being attacked are illegal under US jurisdiction we cannot pass laws (other than declaring war etc) that force the citizens of sovereign nation, or the nations themselves, to fall under US law while in their own territories.

The only chance that it has is that if somehow it is stretched to the "you come to US soil to do business and own assets here" to make them subject to this. I have a feeling that the high priced lawyers on the opposing side of the first case brought will get it thrown out though as some violation of international law etc. Otherwise it is an unwitting declaration of war against the world for the US to just pass a law to subject other sovereign nations to US law. (not counting UN resolutions etc)

A bill was passed into law during the 1980's that makes all US citizens subject to US law even when not on US soil irrespective of the local laws of other governments (i.e. if a US citizen went to Pakistan and trafficked heroin, or did other nasty things legal where they are but not in the US, the US could prosecute that person for trafficking etc). But there is a world of difference between that and what is proposed there and really is not a precedent for this.

re: #119 maddogg

It has been a while since I left the military, and I don't own a firearm.

As my memory serves, whenever you draw your weapon, you don't shoot to maim, you shoot to kill.

I always recall, aim for the center of the mass. Vital organs.

As well, on the silhouette, we encouraged to include head shots, another vital shot.

I remember the cardinal rule, if you draw your weapon, you better be prepared to use it.

This letter is a fake:

1> Dept of Transportation Federal Transit Administration sends:

No, it would come from a military organization, with a ref.

2> Should you be approached by any individuals expressing anti-government/anti-war sentiments, or any other types of direct verbal assault, immediately notify your local police jurisdiction.

Total bull.

3> NGB Antiterrorism/Force Protection Officer, MSgt Cyril Charity

Cyril Charity was a Senior Airman in 2000.

Now that 's a fast burner!

re: #119 maddogg,

What if they are wearing a bullet-proof vest? The two to the body should drop them to the ground. If they are still standing it is because of a vest, drugs, or some other factor that renders more shots to the body unlikely to drop them, even if you inflict wounds that will be fatal (like, say, destroying their liver).

The head shot will make them sit down no matter what they are wearing or what they are on.

TO: maddogg
RE: [OT] Training

"The training I have seen advise as many shots into the thorax as you can get in the least amount of time." -- maddogg

My training says it all depends on the situation.

If you've got time and and the skill and they don't have kevlar helmets, go for a head shot.

If they have kevlar helmets and body armor, shot their legs out and then shoot them in the head.

If I don't have time, nor the skill (due to distance) for option #1, use your approach.

Admittedly, you might not have the time to make a decision. Then it's a 'hail bloody Mary' and fare-thee-well.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived. -- Marine Corps Rules for Gunfighting]

I ride the DC Metro daily and I haven't seen this happen, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I'm never on the Yellow line (which goes past the Pentagon). However, I do go out of my my way to shake hands and thank everyone I see in uniform. I've seen others do the same.

re: #127 unrealizedviewpoint

If I am wrong, I can admit it.

Perhaps I am confusing military training for civilian.

My brother, (who used to be an Army Scout) is very much into this stuff.

If I erred, I stand corrected.

re: #122 realwest

I would venture that it would still be the law, but I would also bet that there is very little will or intent to enforce the law or take it to trial.

Thanks for the clarification, I always mix up assault with battery.

I don't live there anymore, but used to ride daily. Never saw anything like this. Since the military person is restricted in his actions, I would suggest that 3-4 regular folks just get up and stand shoulder-to-shoulder with him/her. Most bullies will back down at that point.

Shouldn't be necessary, though.

re: #136 Chuck Pelto

Rule#1 ? Don't show up to a gunfight with a knife?

Army dog.

re: #135 Iron Fist

,

What if they are wearing a bullet-proof vest? The two to the body should drop them to the ground. If they are still standing it is because of a vest, drugs, or some other factor that renders more shots to the body unlikely to drop them, even if you inflict wounds that will be fatal (like, say, destroying their liver).

The head shot will make them sit down no matter what they are wearing or what they are on.

Mozambique Drill.

re: #138 formercorpsman

If I am wrong, I can admit it.

Perhaps I am confusing military training for civilian.

My brother, (who used to be an Army Scout) is very much into this stuff.

If I erred, I stand corrected.

Military and civilian training undoubtedly differs significantly. Military's purpose is to break things and kill people. As civilians we are to preserve life and property.

re: #141 Endangered in MASS

A knife is fine in a gunfight. As long as your opponent doesn't know you have a knife.

re: #25 Tarkus289

I am telling you, the leftists are going to get a serious wake-up someday.

Nah. If anything, those lefties will get a lights out call. Lights out for how long is up to them.

TO: Endangered in MASS
RE: [OT] Rules

"Rule#1 ? Don't show up to a gunfight with a knife?" -- Endangered in MASS

My favorite is....

Peace through Fire Superiority

After 27 years in the infantry, I'm a firm believer in that.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[I may not always be armed, but I'm always dangerous.]

I don't work downtown, so I only ride the metro 1-2 times a month and I've never seen this happen. I've seen lots of men and women in uniform during commutes though (mostly the yellow/blue lines).

My guess is these are newbies not used to seeing people in uniform or college people here temporarily. Everyone else has gotten used to see uniforms (not just US military either) that it's no big deal. Everyone probably interacts with military personel, ex-military or US gov't employees on a daily basis.

Word of warning to these morons doing this: This is the DC area - there is a good chance one day you'll be outnumbered and your little "speak-truth-to-power" moment will backfire.

re: #134 LC LaWedgie
Didja call MSGT Charity to ask if this is a fraud? If y'all go to Charles link, the entire "notice" contains both his on and off duty phone numbers.
Personally I wouldn't bother with calling him, as my trust level for Michael Yon and Charles is extremely high.

re: #142 Occasional Reader,

I knew there was a name for it, but I couldn't remember it. Thanks.

As Cartman says, "damn hippies!"

I must say I am not a strong woman but if I ever saw this going on I would get right in the moonbat's face and say "there is more valor in this soldier's hangnail than in your entire pathetic existence."

Either that or kick them in the nuts.

"If possible, do not commute in uniform"

Something seems off here. This is a wildly unrealistic request for people who work at the Pentagon. I very frequently see people in uniform in the Metro; personally, I've never seen anyone give them any problems.

re: #141 Endangered in MASS

Rule#1 ? Don't show up to a gunfight with a knife?

Actually, if you're within 15 feet... might be better off with the knife.

re: #135 Iron Fist

like, say, destroying their liver

If your moonbat attacker is Randi Rhodes, you're too late anyway!

TO: ghengis was a wuss
RE: Cuidado

"Either that or kick them in the nuts." -- ghengis was a wuss

First let them touch you in a not-so-friendly manner. THEN kick.....

Something about laws involving self-defense and such. They need to make the first overt action against you.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Have friendly witnesses see it all.

Here are a few friendly reminders of personal protective measures that can help you to stay safe:
- If possible, do not commute in uniform (military members)
- Do not display DoD building passes, “hot cards”, or personal identification in open view outside of the workplace
- Do not discuss specifics about your occupation to outside solicitors
- Always try to remain in well lit, well populated train cars if traveling via metro
- Be vigilant at all times!
V/R,
National Operations Center

P.S If the above measures do not suffice to diffuse the situation..feel free to use your training and KICK THEIR EFFING ASSES!

re: #133 formercorpsman

It has been a while since I left the military, and I don't own a firearm.

As my memory serves, whenever you draw your weapon, you don't shoot to maim, you shoot to kill.

I always recall, aim for the center of the mass. Vital organs.

As well, on the silhouette, we encouraged to include head shots, another vital shot.

I remember the cardinal rule, if you draw your weapon, you better be prepared to use it.

The training I have watched was for police, not military (Valhalla combat training) and the purpose was to stop the aggressor, not to necessarily kill.

#135 Iron Fist. Good point, the head or legs shot would be the only options in that case, when armed with a handgun, at least.

#135 Chuck Pelto

Admittedly, you might not have the time to make a decision. Then it's a 'hail bloody Mary' and fare-thee-well.

And that might be the most likely scenario, as these situations tend to develop quickly.

re: #147 bianchi_roadie

I don't work downtown, so I only ride the metro 1-2 times a month and I've never seen this happen. I've seen lots of men and women in uniform during commutes though (mostly the yellow/blue lines).

My guess is these are newbies not used to seeing people in uniform or college people here temporarily. Everyone else has gotten used to see uniforms (not just US military either) that it's no big deal. Everyone probably interacts with military personel, ex-military or US gov't employees on a daily basis.
Word of warning to these morons doing this: This is the DC area - there is a good chance one day you'll be outnumbered and your little "speak-truth-to-power" moment will backfire.

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If you're excusing the inexcusable assaults on military people because the offender is a "newbie" or college kid, or somehow not USED to seeing uniforms, that is way too progressive.

Our military have every right to travel anywhere, anytime, without harassment.

TO: Occasional Reader
RE: Ever....

"Actually, if you're within 15 feet... might be better off with the knife." -- Occasional Reader

....see that HBO movie, The Lost Battalion?

The battalion commander, armed with an M1911 .45 cal just shoved the pistol against a German soldier and squeezed the trigger. Worked a LOT better than a
knife.

It takes less energy to squeeze the trigger on an M1911 than it takes to stab or slash with a knife.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

re: #136 Chuck Pelto

If you've got time and and the skill and they don't have kevlar helmets, go for a head shot.

If they have kevlar helmets and body armor, shot their legs out and then shoot them in the head.

This differs drastically from any self-defense/combat shooting instruction I've ever seen.

Seems highly risky to me to assume that even a skilled gunfighter can consistently make head shots and LEG shots under combat stress.

#155 Chuck

thanks! I will make sure to bring witnesses.

It just enrages me the level of tardosity some moonbats have come to.

re: #125 buzzsawmonkey Yes, the letter from Congressman Stark should be considered "stark raving mad" if for no other reason than that he "CC'd" the Honorable John Murtha and we all know there is no honorable John Murtha in the United States Congress.

When can we classify the moonbats as enemy combatants and deliver some whoop-ass on them when they attack our troops?

re: #151 Occasional Reader Hey O.R. - yeah, that does seem strange to me too, but remember it didn't come from DoD so maybe they don't know how unrealistic that recommendation is.

If possible, do not commute in uniform (military members)

What the hell? They're recommended hiding in shame in public?

It is their behaviour that must go in public, not the uniforms. If it weren't illegal to impersonate officers, we should all wear uniforms in public in a "I am Spartacus" moment.

Young women used to walk up to uniformed military men in the streets of NY and give them a kiss on the cheek.

And today, people in subways hurl curse words at our soldiers, sailors and airmen.

And that's just wrong. BIG wrong. We certainly live in interesting times.

.

TO: Occasional Reader
RE: [OT] Training

"Seems highly risky to me to assume that even a skilled gunfighter can consistently make head shots and LEG shots under combat stress." -- Occasional Reader

Sounds like you need more time on the practice range. All my NRA instructors, of late, have said "Head shots are best." But the caveat that with, "if you're good enough."

My thoughts on dealing with people in full ballistic armor stem from Viet Nam and the techniques employed by the VC; shoot them in the foot and then, when they're rolling around on the ground in agony....put them out of their misery.

Sort of like the way the infantry deal with tanks; immobilize them than kill them.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Hunting tanks is easy and fun. -- 82d Airborne Division motto for tank-fighting]

re: #164 realwest

Hey O.R. - yeah, that does seem strange to me too, but remember it didn't come from DoD so maybe they don't know how unrealistic that recommendation is.

Here's video of Navy Seal CQB training... I notice their target silhouettes don't even have legs to shoot at.

Looking at the comments at Yon's site, I'm inclined to conclude that this is a hoax.

I wish my Class A uniform still fit me. I'd be riding that Metro everyday.

TO: Occasional Reader
RE: [OT] Training

"I notice their target silhouettes don't even have legs to shoot at." -- Occasional Reader

They're assuming the opponents aren't wearing ballistic body armor that will stop most pistol rounds.

I try to avoid assuming. If the opponent has no body armor....GREAT!

But if they do.......body shots aren't going to stop them.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

re: #160 Occasional Reader

This differs drastically from any self-defense/combat shooting instruction I've ever seen.

Seems highly risky to me to assume that even a skilled gunfighter can consistently make head shots and LEG shots under combat stress.

A few months ago, a fascinating article was published about armed police engagements in which shots were fired.

It went something like this:

In an encounter with an armed perpetrator, a trained police officer firing his department issued hand gun will hit his target approximately half the time from a distance of 10 feet.

I'll look for it, and post if I find. The actual statistics are eye-opening.

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Since the Blue and Yellow lines run to the Pentagon, have them put under military jurisdiction and patrolled by MP's not the DC cops.

re: #175 ploome hineni

Pandering 101

An old soldiers take on the subject;

With infamy without a name,
They mock our fighting youth,
And dare decry great hearts who die,
Battling for right and truth.
Woe to the land which, heeding them,
Lets avarice gain the day,
And trusting gold it's right to hold,
Lets manly might decay.
Let us, while willing yet for peace,
Still keep our valor high,
So when our time of battle comes,
We shall not fear to die.
Make love of life and ease be less,
Make love of country more.
So shall our patriotism be
More than an empty roar.
For death is nothing, comfort less,
Valor is all in all;
Base nations who depart from it,
Shall sure and justly fall.

VALOR by Gen. George S. Patton

re: #174 Colonel Panik

have them put under military jurisdiction

Seems like a *bit* of overreaction, no offense.

DC Metro cops do a perfectly fine job. But they can't be everywhere. (Neither can MPs.)

I commute on Metro every day (Orange Line) and have thankfully never seen anyone be disrespectful to uniformed personnel. Nor would I stand for it if I did. It sounds like it's the Yellow and Blue lines (which run out to the Pentagon and Reagan National) that are having the most issues.

Personally, I feel BETTER when uniformed military personnel are on the car. Their mere presence keeps everything calm. Asking our own troops to hide their status in the Metro system in our own capital is just pathetic. Conversely, the absolute worst experiences I've had on the Metro involved convergences of 1) DC inner schools letting out and 2) anti-war/pro illegal immigrant rallies. Awful.

re: #82 GreenBear

- If possible, do not commute in uniform (military members)

- Do not display DoD building passes, “hot cards”, or personal identification in open view outside of the workplace

- Do not discuss specifics about your occupation to outside solicitors

- Always try to remain in well lit, well populated train cars if traveling via metro

- If you must snap their neck like a twig, please discard in a designated container located at the exits

/sarcasm

Would that be in the trash container or the recycle container?

re: #174 Colonel Panik

Since the Blue and Yellow lines run to the Pentagon, have them put under military jurisdiction and patrolled by MP's not the DC cops.

Bingo...best answer Ive seen here yet.

Perhaps there are people are riding around on the subway all day looking for military personnel to insult.

It's not a job, it's an...

eh...

Well, anyway, it's not a job.

re: #24 antoniojvr

I've ridden the Metro only once - two years ago in August, from Vienna, VA into DC to visit the Wall, and then to return. I saw no disrespect for those in uniform, but then - I wasn't looking for it. I've gotten the impression after spending some time in public transport facilities that our soldiers are being treated respectfully - wherever they are. Not like we're studk in the Sixties...

Perhaps I lead a sheltered life.

Quite a few of the commenters at the original article are saying that they doubt the veracity of this document. They ride the mentioned routes every day and have never seen nor heard of any incidents such as this. They also doubt that the Department of Transportation would issue a recommendation for military personnel not to wear their uniforms. Something smells.

I sent the "document" to Snopes.

This is what we have to look forward to when we get back stateside? This? How can this be happening again?

I am soooo going to wear my uniform if I ever have to commute in that area. That's a promise.

And I highly doubt any hippie type would be yelling racist slurs in the DC metro area- not because they are liberal but they would be putting themselves in serious danger. Military personnel have to conduct themselves in a certain manner- you don't even want to ride the train quietly when some of the schools here get out.

HHC, you are more likely to be attacked by little old ladies wearing Soldiers' Angels shirts than moonbats. And the little old ladies will want to hug you to pieces, not curse you!

Well, I hope it is a hoax. I don't wish for something indecent like this to happen, just to satisfy my internal conviction that the other side are scum.

re: #180 Cygnus

Would that be in the trash container or the recycle container?

Oh "recycle" please. Even the most loathsome detritus can eventually be made serve a useful purpose.

Were they wearing "Peace Scarves"?

re: #189 Warm Mountain

HHC, you are more likely to be attacked by little old ladies wearing Soldiers' Angels shirts than moonbats. And the little old ladies will want to hug you to pieces, not curse you!

LOL!
Hard to say we're going back to the left coast!
I posted before I read through the thread. Not sure if it's a hoax or not. I do know that they protest outside of Walter Reed so I tend to believe it has some truth somewhere in it. If it is, Charles and Yon will get to the bottom of it.

If true, this is appalling. I would hope that a bystander would exercise their first amendment right to tell said moron to go forth and multiply. Ugh.

CQB - fighting technique developed by the SAS. The seals were aiming at body and head. The SAS go for what they call (Ithink) *tapping* if they can. This is where you put one round thro the teeth and out the base of the brain (sorry...) This is because if hostages are around a reflex pull on the trigger by a terrorist (or other) could kill them all. By tapping, the base of the brain is destroyed in a fraction of a second and this stops it.

For the last 10 years Blair and Brown have treated the Armed Forces and the Army in particular like shit. We have only heard little pieces in the press because it's all classified.
We have had instances IIRC concerning RAF personnel being verbally abused and that got in the papers. It didnot go down well, to put it mildly.
The only reason Brown is bringing up anything like this is because he is desperate. NuLabour took a pounding in the local elections, and that didn't cover all the councils. There is a bye-election due this week in Crewe so I'm just waiting to see if they get clobbered there *licks lips*.
I think he has been told (and has probably been told before) that unless he sorts out military housing, welfare and pay etc that he will have no Armed Forces at all. Experienced soldiers have been leaving in large numbers for years. It could also be that there has been a backlash from the Silent Majority over Blair and Browns treatment of our troops. We have heard very little in the papers.

Last month for drill we did Land Navigation through DC and Alexandria, driving Humvees downtown we got nothing by smiles and waves.

I hope Mr. Yon has affidavits from each of these officers, together with video recordings, together with the officers blood type and dna samples because the left simply engages in brazen lies with respect to the hideous conduct of its fellow travelers. These are all 'anecdotal! Remember a year or so ago, maybe two years, the left started the "NO ONE EVER SPAT ON A MARINE DURING VIETNAM OR AFTERWARDS!" threads, where it seemed that anyone who made such an allegation was a liar, that no such reports ever occurred at the time of the incident, that unless you had the name, address, phone number, (serial number) of both the alleged soldier and the alleged spitter, then such incidents were fictitious and below the status of 'urban legends'. Here's a link to an even older article claiming such spitting to be a myth as well concocted in the 80s because we lost the war.
Well you can bet that moonbats will take issue with Michael Yon as well, unless he gets the vets to sign their affidavits in blood.

sorry forgot the link:

[Link: www.vvaw.org...]

And these freaks have escaped a broken nose how?

re: #194 Is it me?

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Thank you for your service and for standing with the USA to liberate people and increase freedom & hopefully, peace & prosperity in awful places.

I love the hypocracy of the moonbats. My brother who is still active duty has told me several times how he enjoys meeting them in bars because they tend to get him drunk for free to soothe their guilt or whatever major malfunction they have.
When I was active duty back in the late days of the cold war, we used to have alot of "Ami go home" protestors outside the front gate of the airbase in Germany where I was stationed. Well, we eventually did pack up our toys and go home. When I went back to the area for a visit 10 years later the waitresses and staff of the local gasthauses were wishing that US forces would come back. The economy suffered and believe it or not crime actually went up.
Here in Turkey Professional NCOs and Officers are authorized to carry sidearms off duty. Maybe the US military needs to go that route. I witnessed an incident in which a Turkish Navy PettyOfficer who Iwas speaking with at a pub excused himself to go pistolwhip some extremely drunk English guy who wouldn't leave his fiancee alone and actually tried to put his hands on her.

try not to wear your uniform, and if confronted by racial slurs, get off the train. Jesus!

Next news story:

U.N investigators Pilo DouDou,Sacka KaKa,Heeping PooPoo, and Teenci WiWi arrived in Washington to investigate claims of racism. They were greeted by Uniformed Defense Department representative Richard Nixon Balts. Richard Balts is known to his friends as "Big Dick."
U.N. officials got the following report: "Big Dick N. Balts said 'PouPou,KaKa,DouDou, and WiWi, you are ridiculous. Get out of here.' We await instructions from the human rights division."

Hmmm, get some buses and turn them into the bus version of the Q ships of WWII, man them with undercover cops (can't use military because of the posse comitatus act) and go trolling for dumb asses. Either that or have the President do the paperwork for allowing our military to engage the enemy (remember "...enemies, both foreign and domestic...").

FYI during the late 60's to early 70's at McClellan AFB, North Highlands, CA, they had the same suggestions in place to keep from having our military engaging jerks. The base said that the GIs should refrain from hitting the hippies who were demonstating in the streets, blocking traffic while keeping service members from their jobs.

re: #60 dawnoftruth

Wow , When we were stationed on Crete Greece in the 70's, active duty were not allowed to wear their uniforms when traveling off base. Never in my wildest dreams did I ever imagine that it would happen in our own country. What a sad day

I was in the Med, early 70's, and we were told to go ashore in civvies. We were told it was for own safety. That was there. THIS IS HERE! WTF?

Although this story above may not be true, I just read recently (can't find it now, dammit!) about a young Marine being physically assualted on a train. An elderly man, who walked with a cane, stood up in front of this young man. The older man was a Marine too. Good story....I wil try to find it.

On a side note, if I ever saw something like that happening to a serviceperson, said hippy would endure a mighty curbstompin'.

"Do not commute in uniform?"

What the FUCK? ? ? ?

I surely hope this is a hoax. My level of contempt for the anti-military moonbats who infest this land is already dangerously high.

WTF?re: #203 tommygum

I was in the Med, early 70's, and we were told to go ashore in civvies. We were told it was for own safety. That was there. THIS IS HERE!

I was at Ft. Dix, NJ in early '67, and we were warned not to wear our uniforms in Greenwich Village, New York City, USA.

To all the Military folk visiting this fine website, never be ashamed to wear your uniform in any public place!

re: #208 kos eats kittens

To all the Military folk visiting this fine website, never be ashamed to wear your uniform in any public place!

I never was back in the day, but there seemed to be long-haired, foul smelling types of both sexes who were.

I say a few good ass whoopins administered by some of America's finest would go a long way in deterring the anti crowd. Fat chance though, our leaders have never had the balls to let us do it.

re: #7 rabidsquirrel

It's truly a sad day when our fine troops face such disrespect and slander from the very citizens they protect. Especially in the capital of this great nation.

I'd say "shame on the left", but they're obviously devoid of any semblance of shame.

I believe that they are devoid of any semblance of decency as well.

re: #161 Ghengis was a wuss

#155 Chuck

thanks! I will make sure to bring witnesses.

It just enrages me the level of tardosity some moonbats have come to.

Tardosity! That will be my new word of the week. Thanx. LOL.

re: #177 sixgunsamori

Uptick and greenheart.

Personally I would like to ride the Metro and station myself near one of these uniformed heroes and just wait for some idiot to start that.

Wax on

Wax off.

and walk away knowing the uniformed hero had a big smile on their face.

As I recall, all the silliness of the protests during Vietnam was mostly ended by the response at Kent State. The anti-American left really doesn't want to be countered with violence.

MSGT Charity wrote the wrong memo. It should have been to the 'demonstrators', warning them that if they persist in that behavior uniformed members of the US Military might just beat some sense into them, right before tossing them onto the third rail.

TO: Ghengis was a wuss
RE: Witnessing

"#155 Chuck

thanks! I will make sure to bring witnesses." -- Ghengis was a wuss [#161]

I suppose that the soldier/sailor/airman/marine you would defend would be a suitable witness.

On the other hand, I've found the camcorder in my Treo 650 VERY effective in catching miscreants at their worst. Caught one guy trying to assault me during his 'conduct' of a Board of Directors meeting. It's rather funny, watching him race from one end of the assembled tables to the other. And at each end, he encounters someone who decided to stand between he and me.

He finally decided on throwing an empty can of Dr. Pepper at me.

If he'd have reached me, I'd have 'cleaned his [proverbial] clock' and used the camcorder recording as evidence of 'self-defense'. Besides there were a score of witnesses to the incident; other attendees of this board of directors meeting of the non-profit corporation we all belong to.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[A video is worth a google of words.]

I'm with UberInfidel67, the service man or woman wouldn't have to fight for themselves (nor shouold they, they'd probably be prosecuted) I would be between the soldier and the moonbat. I'm not a violent or boastful person, I swear, I just wouldn't be able to take it. My adrenaline is pumping just conteplating such a sight. Fortunatley, in Texas you don't often see things like that, I haven't yet. The bubbas here would be all over that SOB, myself included.

God Bless our Soldiers, God Bless Texas (oops, already has!).

Oh, and BTW, the only reason someone would pull something like that is because they know they wouldn't suffer any consequences. It's easy to "speak truth to power" when there are no consequences. The world is full of brave people speaking truth to power, and paying for it with their lives. People here that would act in this despicable manner toward our soldiers are just posers.

re: #5 The Dread Pirate Gryphon

re: #5 The Dread Pirate Gryphon

Why not travel in uniform - in groups of three or more? I'd love to see how brave this filth is when the odds are agin' em.

And invite fights?

What then? You get fights. You win them, fair and square. They started it, they lost, case closed, right?

Think again.

It's a liberal city. The deck will be stacked against them. They will be convicted in the court of public opinion. The best of a lot of bad outcomes is that the prosecutor gets caught tampering with the evidence and the witnesses and has to resign. But what if he doesn't get caught? Then they get convicted again, and appeals drag on and on, and even if they win, their ruined.

A policy of avoiding fights between U.S. military and civilian nutcases, is best. That way, if a fight does come despite every effort to avoid it, it'll be much more clear who started it, and much easier to win in court.

Test

- If possible, do not commute in uniform (military members)

- Do not discuss specifics about your occupation to outside solicitors

I only got one thing to say about that without cussin' my head off:

NUTS!

Just step in and kick the idiot's ass on behalf of the service member who's hands are tied. When the cops get there, claim they threw the first punch. It's your word against theirs and the only witness (the service member) is likely to have a favorable (he sure did!) or impaired (I didn't see what happened) memory of the incident. If you don't have a criminal record, which most regular citizens don't, the odds are good the troublemaker does. Credibility is everything in a he said / he said situation. It's a risk worth taking in light of the risks our service members take on our behalf. Jeez, drop a pair and give the bag of pus what they're begging for; it's the right thing to do.

I'm surprised it took this long for that crap to resurface--in Dec of 67 I had something similar occur in a Greyhound station.
Being as proud then as now, I reacted in what I thought a fitting manner. The policeman thought the response fitting, also.

I guess it's time for me and the rest of the tribe to start hanging out in the D.C. train cars.

*cracks knuckles*

We'll just say the moonbat(s) in question made racial slurs. Being Officially Oppressed Native Americans, the cops will probably thank us for not calling the ACLU.

Notice how the term "ISLAMOPHOBIA" has become a radical-Muslim rallying cry?

It's a double-edged sword.

Evidently they need to be reminded of that unforgivable racial crime, "KAFIROPHOBIA".

Then there's also "CHRISTOPHOBIA", "JOOOPHOBIA", "DHIMMIOPHOBIA", "BENEVOLENTOPHOBIA", "GENIUSOPHOBIA", 'FREECAPITALISTOPHOBIA", "HAPPYPERSONOPHOBIA", "ROCKETSCIENTISTOPHOBIA", "COLLEGEGRADUATEOPHOBIA", "DOUNTOOTHERSOPHOBIA", and especially "WOMENSRIGHTSOPHOBIA".

Terribly nasty sins, those, all in need of enforcing. Think we can enlist the help of the ACLU in this worthy cause?

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Disgusting. If I ever see anyone behaving that way towards a member of our military I'd be hard pressed not to step in and kick some deserving idiot in the cojones.

re: #184 Warm Mountain

If this memo is true, it's an insult to the entire nation. In plain English, it advises the military to hide its loyalties in the national capital!

I stopped wearing my uniform to the Pentagon after being verbally assaulted on the Yellow line a couple of years ago. I find it interesting they are coming out with this now.

re: #222 Heartland_Patriot

When the cops get there, claim they threw the first punch.

Keep in mind that there are security cameras in the Metro stations so the evidence might be against you.

That being said, I do wish the servicefolks could remove the gloves and start making examples out of some people.

To #87 and in general.
We are allowed to carry our arms, but no rifle is loaded in ANY public
place, and in army bases, they are only loaded by direct order or an
officer....
But carrying a weapon shouldn't be necessary to be granted the minimum courtesy (if not gratitude) granted to any working person. Dissent is a
right, but it shouldn't be abused or miss used.

pons

Same thing happened in the 70's. We were told to be careful when out on leave wearing our uniform. I was commented to only once by a girl who asked how many babies I killed. I retorted "too many to count."

I proudly wear my USMC jacket or shirt to this day. I dare any liberal to say a word.

I'm 52 and can still kick liberal ass all day and never get tired.

#49 Zombie, #68 Real West, #134 LC La Wedgie, and others.

I actually was "spit" on in November 1967 on the campus of Boston University where the USAF had sent me for a course. Before the course, we were told to avoid provocations and wear our uniform only on Thursday.

I say "spit" on because the salivating coed who blocked my path barely got enough force behind her expectoration to hit my chin. Then, she ran away several yards to her waiting boyfriend and both scampered off. I was a bit startled, but it was more comical than anything else, watching then run away. This was before I had been to Vietnam. I guess Boston folks were just trend setters.

I've spent almost 20 years in the DC area, many of them commuting through the Pentagon Metro. I've never seen any incidents and I hope I don't. I think the Left decided they got a bad press during Vietnam and several months started a massive denial of any spitting incidents. I imagine their playbook now has specific instructions not to spit on uniformed individuals. None of the Vietnam era stories got much play beyond local papers. That explains why folks might have heard it in their area and thought just it an isolated incident. I told my Tac Officer and that was the end of it as far as I know.

I'm awaiting the judgment of Snopes and others on the latest. Some comments on Yon's site said it might be a hoax. It however has the sound of the stilted admin, don't play the brute lecture I got in Boston years ago. Time will tell.